Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #14

[Hailiejade77]

please continue here

[pjsmommy]

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One thing i've never gotten since this case started is why anyone thinks that one of Casey's relatives (her dad or brother) are the father of Caylee. Can anyone with any insight help me see why they would think that?
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[Beagle1]

That idea is far-fetched. I guess someone was brainstorming reasons why the biological father was in question. I think that LE have stated that they believe that the father is dead.

[RoseRed]

Thank you Hallie,

PjsMommy, I can not answer your question as I have no idea why that was ever mentioned.

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I think you just click on the Caylee Anthony forum and up at the top is the thread that says start new thread. Then you have to PM a mod to tell them to lock up this thread.>>>

Thank you Hailiejade, now I know how to do that if the need ever arises again.:)

[Hailiejade77]

is adnoid a mod? I contacted adnoid to get the #13 thread closed but I am not sure if that was the person I am suppose to contact???

[Hailiejade77]

question,.. the site is going to be down soon I think,.. anyone here from PDT time? What time is 8:00 am PDT for us that live in PA? i am horrible with time changes lol

[Starr58]

I asked earlier if GPA and Jesse were the only ones gone to Georgia to search. Does anyone know for sure if that is true?

Did they travel together? Did Jesse go to Georgia for another reason or was he in fact going to search? What area in Georgia are they searching?

TIA...

[whiteangora]

question,.. the site is going to be down soon I think,.. anyone here from PDT time? What time is 8:00 am PDT for us that live in PA? i am horrible with time changes lol

I "think" you are 3 hours later.

[Faenorwyn]

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One thing i've never gotten since this case started is why anyone thinks that one of Casey's relatives (her dad or brother) are the father of Caylee. Can anyone with any insight help me see why they would think that?
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Thanks for the new thread Hailijade! In regards to the above....I had never read that until now, must have missed that one!! I think that's crazy and very unlikely but really at this point - you could tell me that Caylee was abducted by aliens and I would consider it a possibility. :eek: :waitasec:

[Hailiejade77]

so it should be down by now???? Wonder whats up? OH WELL,... I can still get my websleuth "fix"

[WhitneyLea]

I thought it was at 8pm?

[Hailiejade77]

nope at the top of the screen it says 8 am,..

[liltigress]

Good morning! I'm caught up!

I'm reading about the pool theory and I have to say it sounds very possible. Here are some thoughts..

I keep trying to figure out, if something accidentally happened to cause Caylee's death, then 1st reaction would be to call 911, right? UNLESS there is some guilt revolving around that accident. Something that would put her at fault.

Didn't the neighbor say he saw a male with Casey the day she borrowed the shovel? She very well could have been digging up the bamboo as Cindy first stated. If Casey had a male friend, other than her b/f, at her parents' home while they were on vacation, they could have been out in the pool, splashing it up.

Tony has stated to one of our sleuthers that everything Casey told him was a lie. If she's with another guy, other than Tony, she probably will lie about that.

Let's theorize that she and this guy got a little.. um.... involved, and moved it into the house, leaving Caylee out in the pool alone. Something about this whole case has kept me thinking that Casey didn't act alone. I've thought this from the beginning and I still do.

*IMHO*

[WhitneyLea]

oh - duh! :crazy:

[ChattyWoman]

so it should be down by now???? Wonder whats up? OH WELL,... I can still get my websleuth "fix"

The 'announcement' says 'the next few days at 8AM'....so, it might not be today, if I am reading it correctly.

[Hailiejade77]

Is the male sighting by the neighbor confirmed? I just thought it was someone that thought she could have had someone there.

[Hailiejade77]

Websleuths will be moving to a bigger, faster server in the next few days - see announcement here!

Our current schedule is to begin this process around 8:00 AM PDT. It should take about 3 hours.


That is what it says in the notice box up there.

[Hailiejade77]

The next few days was put up a couple of days ago
The current schedule was done today

[swa]

Good morning! I'm caught up!

I'm reading about the pool theory and I have to say it sounds very possible. Here are some thoughts..

I keep trying to figure out, if something accidentally happened to cause Caylee's death, then 1st reaction would be to call 911, right? UNLESS there is some guilt revolving around that accident. Something that would put her at fault.

Didn't the neighbor say he saw a male with Casey the day she borrowed the shovel? She very well could have been digging up the bamboo as Cindy first stated. If Casey had a male friend, other than her b/f, at her parents' home while they were on vacation, they could have been out in the pool, splashing it up.

Tony has stated to one of our sleuthers that everything Casey told him was a lie. If she's with another guy, other than Tony, she probably will lie about that.

Let's theorize that she and this guy got a little.. um.... involved, and moved it into the house, leaving Caylee out in the pool alone. Something about this whole case has kept me thinking that Casey didn't act alone. I've thought this from the beginning and I still do.

*IMHO*

Great points. You would call 911 if you had nothing to do with a situation.

If you however caused the accident -- you might be more willing to try to cover it up.

I'll only say this one more time -- the way someone acts after a "crime" has been committed says volumes about the situation. You can see it in this case and you can also see it in the Nancy Cooper case.

[believe09]

Thanks for the new thread: Adnoid, Christine2448, Windchime, animal, chicoliving are the mods I can remember off of the top of me head...no offense to anyone I have left out!!!

[Faenorwyn]

Bringing this over from the other thread...........

Here's a link to an interview with George this morning:

http://www.wftv.com/news/16988642/detail.html

The only really *new* information in it seems to be that he agrees there is something Casey isn't telling LE.

[tamfish]

And.... we're back.

If this has already been posted, I apologize:

"Caylee's Mother Begs for One More Day in 911 Call"
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story

[jazzelwood]

so the gm says.."I want to see caylee, oh...so you don't know where she is? Well...i'll give you 1 month to produce her?"

WTF!

[DianeB]

Abrakadbra sent an email to Rev Grund last night and posted his reply earlier today on the 'temp' board.

I'll leave it to him/her to repost it here, but this is the link to the post. Some interesting info:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=Websleuths&msg=117.5&search=y

Fox is also doling out bits of the initial 911 call made when Cindy drove with Casey to the closed police substation. You can hear a bit of the conversation between Cindy and Casey while the call was being transferred by the dispatcher. Casey is asking for "one more day" and Cindy tells her "I've given you a month." :
http://www.local6.com/news/16989715/detail.html

What are the implications of that?

[tamfish]

Quoting from the Orlando Sentinel article:

Cindy Anthony: 'Cause my next thing will be down to child (inaudible) thing and we'll have a court order to get her. If that's the way you want to play, we'll do it and you'll never. . .

Casey Anthony: That's not the way I want to play. . .

Cindy Anthony: Well then you have. . .

Casey Anthony: Give me one more day.

Cindy Anthony: No, I'm not giving you another day, I've given you a month. . .

In my opinion, it is important to note that the words "to find her" or "to find Caylee" are not spoken. It is easy to project that meaning onto the conversation -- however it is not necessarily what they are discussing.

This conversation could likely be about a custody issue. Perhaps Cindy was seeking to get custody of Caylee and had given Casey 30 days to turn the child over, or she was going to begin legal custody proceedings.

[olive]

Any major new developments since the 911 tapes being released??

[Leila]

question,.. the site is going to be down soon I think,.. anyone here from PDT time? What time is 8:00 am PDT for us that live in PA? i am horrible with time changes lol

Pacific time is three hour behind Eastern time........PA is in the Eastern time zone. So when it's 8:00am on the west coast (Pacific time), it's 11:00am in PA (Eastern time).

[tamfish]

Folks at the topix.net forums are posting that Casey was visited in jail today by "Pat and Frand Bourgeois". Googling "Pat" or "Patrick" Bourgeois brings up a man who was convicted of killing his 3yr old son, however he was released from prison early (after less than 4 years).

I have no way of knowing if it is the same Pat Bourgeois and I'm not sure how to find out. Anyone want to tackle that?

[tamfish]

Nevermind -- I found a Pat Bourgeois listed as living in Oveido, Florida -- that must be the connection.

[olive]

Googling Pat Bourgeois brings up tons of people. It could have been any of them. There is no Frand Bourgeois, however.

[ketel0ne]

Folks at the topix.net forums are posting that Casey was visited in jail today by "Pat and Frand Bourgeois". Googling "Pat" or "Patrick" Bourgeois brings up a man who was convicted of killing his 3yr old son, however he was released from prison early (after less than 4 years).

I have no way of knowing if it is the same Pat Bourgeois and I'm not sure how to find out. Anyone want to tackle that?

That case was in Ohio in 1996 I believe. I have no idea where he is living now.

[fategoddess]

This part of the article is quite interesting:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story

At about 2:40 p.m., Cindy and George Anthony left the Orange County Jail's visitation center without stopping and talking to reporters.

Cindy Anthony ran to her car. George Anthony, in good spirits, said the couple would be speaking publicly soon. Asked by reporters if they had good news, he said, "Oh yeah."


I wonder when they will go public with what info they have!

[StealthTheory]

I hope it's good news.

[Leila]

Abrakadbra sent an email to Rev Grund last night and posted his reply earlier today on the 'temp' board.

I'll leave it to him/her to repost it here, but this is the link to the post. Some interesting info:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=Websleuths&msg=117.5&search=y

Fox is also doling out bits of the initial 911 call made when Cindy drove with Casey to the closed police substation. You can hear a bit of the conversation between Cindy and Casey while the call was being transferred by the dispatcher. Casey is asking for "one more day" and Cindy tells her "I've given you a month." :
http://www.local6.com/news/16989715/detail.html

What are the implications of that?

It looks like we can put that issue - Jesse's paternity - to rest. If there's been testing, that question has been answered. I can understand quitting a job too, if a person finds they don't feel they're cut out for the job and want to pursue something else. I think Jesse is just another victim of Casey's.

[liltigress]

I don't know about rest of you but I'm not liking the way it looks for a "Pat and Frand Bourgeois".. "possibly a man who was convicted of killing his 3yr old son", and possibly from OHIO, visiting Casey in jail.........

Ohio is where I believe Cindy is from... and where Lee graduated?

[tamfish]

I don't know about rest of you but I'm not liking the way it looks for a "Pat and Frand Bourgeois".. "possibly a man who was convicted of killing his 3yr old son", and possibly from OHIO, visiting Casey in jail.........

Ohio is where I believe Cindy is from... and where Lee graduated?

Again: I found a Pat Bourgeois listed as living in Oveido, Florida -- that must be the connection.

[Leila]

Folks at the topix.net forums are posting that Casey was visited in jail today by "Pat and Frand Bourgeois". Googling "Pat" or "Patrick" Bourgeois brings up a man who was convicted of killing his 3yr old son, however he was released from prison early (after less than 4 years).

I have no way of knowing if it is the same Pat Bourgeois and I'm not sure how to find out. Anyone want to tackle that?

I read updates at the Orlando Fox News site and the Orlando Sentinel and one of the two (I think Sentinel) was reporting that Casey was having visitors to day. It was stated that Lee visited this morning and George and Cindy were to visit early afternoon. Any others weren't named.

[liltigress]

It looks like we can put that issue - Jesse's paternity - to rest. If there's been testing, that question has been answered. I can understand quitting a job too, if a person finds they don't feel they're cut out for the job and want to pursue something else. I think Jesse is just another victim of Casey's.

Agreed and I thank Mr. Grund very much for answering our questions. He really didn't have to but put himself and his family out there to answer them.

Casey victimized that entire family and this keeps adding to the anger I am feeling for her.

[auntbaby]

My Niece and her friends are never without their cell phones, and are always on them. They seem incapable of not answering them. I think that is probably pretty normal among young women these days.
I know that the authorities will check records for calls made to and from Casey's cell phone and use the towers to try to trace where she went and when. But do they check to see if there are ususual periods of inactivity? When the phone was either turned off or not used/not answered?
I would bet that there is an abnormally long period of time when Casey didn't answer or use her cell phone, a time period during which she normally would have.Perhaps when she was too "busy" disposing of that poor child to use it.

[Luzer]

This part of the article is quite interesting:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story

At about 2:40 p.m., Cindy and George Anthony left the Orange County Jail's visitation center without stopping and talking to reporters.

Cindy Anthony ran to her car. George Anthony, in good spirits, said the couple would be speaking publicly soon. Asked by reporters if they had good news, he said, "Oh yeah."


I wonder when they will go public with what info they have!

I hope their good news is not that they finally have been able to make bond for Casey.

[Leila]

Agreed and I thank Mr. Grund very much for answering our questions. He really didn't have to but put himself and his family out there to answer them.

Casey victimized that entire family and this keeps adding to the anger I am feeling for her.

Agreed. I think the list of Casey's victims is long. In the case of the Grund family, they've been victimized over and over by Casey, and at this time I can well imagine that they're very upset and distraught by this whole situation.

[dimples37398]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,6778124.mp3file

[liltigress]

At about 2:40 p.m., Cindy and George Anthony left the Orange County Jail's visitation center without stopping and talking to reporters.

Cindy Anthony ran to her car. George Anthony, in good spirits, said the couple would be speaking publicly soon. Asked by reporters if they had good news, he said, "Oh yeah."

He also said Caylee is alive. Earlier today, her brother, Lee Anthony was at the jail from noon to 12:45 p.m., records show.

She also had visitors yesterday.

Casey Anthony has made one phone call since she her arrest July 16. She called her family home that night and stayed on the line for nearly 14 minutes, jail records show

Her brother, Lee Anthony, described the call during his sister's bail hearing earlier this week.

He testified that she yelled at their mother, Cindy Anthony, and was very short with him. Casey Anthony also asked to speak to a friend who was at the house and wanted her boyfriend's phone number, the brother said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story

[tamfish]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,6778124.mp3file


It just gets weirder and weirder. In this clip, Casey sounds so matter-of-fact about the entire thing. "Just give me Tony's number, I don't want to talk to you right now."

I feel like I'm watching an episode of the Twilight Zone.

So, to help myself keep my thoughts summarized, we have:
A missing Caylee.
The smell of decomposition in the trunk of her mother's car.
Cadaver dogs hitting on spots in the backyard of the home where they were staying.
None of Caylee's family seem to be focused on finding Caylee - they seem more focused on sending LE on rabbit chases and defending Casey.
We have no description of the babysitter who supposedly took Caylee and ran off.
LE does not seem to be conducting any extensive man-hunts for Caylee or the babysitter.

What does all this add up to? Hmmmm?

[Leila]

Quoting from the Orlando Sentinel article:



In my opinion, it is important to note that the words "to find her" or "to find Caylee" are not spoken. It is easy to project that meaning onto the conversation -- however it is not necessarily what they are discussing.

This conversation could likely be about a custody issue. Perhaps Cindy was seeking to get custody of Caylee and had given Casey 30 days to turn the child over, or she was going to begin legal custody proceedings.

It DOES sound more like a custody issue. One thing that sticks in my mind are some of the earliest interviews with George and Cindy Anthony. In one of the first interviews, Cindy said, "I need for Caylee to be brought home to me" NOT "Caylee needs to be returned to Casey." At that point, I felt there was a battle between Cindy and Casey over custody of Caylee.

[*~Aimee~*]

Cindy Anthony ran to her car. George Anthony, in good spirits, said the couple would be speaking publicly soon. Asked by reporters if they had good news, he said, "Oh yeah."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story

Is there a break in the case?

[absolut_alexis]

It is Patrick and Frank Bourgeois. Here is the pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0725/16990265.pdf).



I read updates at the Orlando Fox News site and the Orlando Sentinel and one of the two (I think Sentinel) was reporting that Casey was having visitors to day. It was stated that Lee visited this morning and George and Cindy were to visit early afternoon. Any others weren't named.

[imnotheonlyone]

Visitation Log:
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0725/16990265.pdf

[StealthTheory]

If that little girl is fine and Casey wouldn't reveal where she was to the authorities, I hope she's forced to pay for some of the time and money wasted on her insanity.

[SuziQ]

It is Patrick and Frank Bourgeois. Here is the pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0725/16990265.pdf).

Why would they be visiting? Who are they?

[*~Aimee~*]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-mp3,0,7893365.mp3file

so this is the VERY first call? the other 2 are #2 and #3? wow

[whiteangora]

This part of the article is quite interesting:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story

At about 2:40 p.m., Cindy and George Anthony left the Orange County Jail's visitation center without stopping and talking to reporters.

Cindy Anthony ran to her car. George Anthony, in good spirits, said the couple would be speaking publicly soon. Asked by reporters if they had good news, he said, "Oh yeah."


I wonder when they will go public with what info they have!

Good news! Can't wait to hear that.
I've been very baaad, reading another forum thinking this one was down changing servers.
I'm so happy to be back here with all of you.:)

[Leila]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,6778124.mp3file

:eek: There's a LOT of anger in Casey. Cindy seems to be walking on eggshells (compared to what we've seen in interviews). How does Casey know that Lee is there............who told her Lee was at her parent's home? Mallory................Lee's girlfriend?

[SuziQ]

Here is the jailhouse call in print:

http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html

During the conversation, Casey Anthony told her mother that she doesn't know where her daughter is.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said. "I just saw your nice little cameo on TV.

"Which one," Cindy Anthony said.

"What do you mean which one?" Casey Anthony said.

"Which one?" Cindy Anthony said. "I did four different ones and I haven't seen them all. I've only seen one or two so far."

"You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?" Casey Anthony asked.

"Casey," Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said.

"No, I don't know what you involvement is, sweetheart," Cindy Anthony said. "You are not telling me where she's at."

"Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at," Casey Anthony said. "You are kidding me?"

"Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me," Cindy Anthony said.

Cindy Anthony then told her that she should blame herself for being in jail.

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything..."

"Do me a favor and just tell me what Tony's number is," Casey Anthony said. "I don't want to talk to you. Forget it."

[absolut_alexis]

I have no clue. They were at the jail bright and early, too. The only Frank I can find is a fishing boat captain.

Why would they be visiting? Who are they?

[*~Aimee~*]

:eek: There's a LOT of anger in Casey. Cindy seems to be walking on eggshells (compared to what we've seen in interviews). How does Casey know that Lee is there............who told her Lee was at her parent's home? Mallory................Lee's girlfriend?

yea Mallory is Lee's GF. How did she know her car was out front?

[DeltaDawn]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0725/16990265.pdf

The link above is a pdf file of the vistors Casey has had over the past 2 days. I didn't know if anyone had posted that yet..Sorry for the repeat if they have.

[Leila]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-mp3,0,7893365.mp3file

so this is the VERY first call? the other 2 are #2 and #3? wow

This can't be the first call, because she's in jail when she makes the call. The two 911 calls were the first and this is the third, after she's been arrested.

Are there other calls I'm missing?

[liltigress]

yea Mallory is Lee's GF. How did she know her car was out front?

Evidently Casey is getting to watch tv and saw Mallory's car in the video.

[StealthTheory]

Woah, after listening to that call....She just wants to blame everyone but herself. Sounds like she thinks that if she acts indignant enough everyone will feel bad for her.

[*~Aimee~*]

This can't be the first call, because she's in jail when she makes the call. The two 911 calls were the first and this is the third, after she's been arrested.

Are there other calls I'm missing?

no not here it is a 911 from the wrong place. Then she went home and called 911 again. The 911 dispatcher answers.

911 call: 'I've given you a month' to find Caylee


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-mp3,0,7893365.mp3file

[Blink34]

Nevermind -- I found a Pat Bourgeois listed as living in Oveido, Florida -- that must be the connection.

Holy chit- is that who Baez represented before?

[liltigress]

http://www.wesh.com/news/16980706/detail.html

Here are the 3 calls to 911. The first call is a 2-part recording.

The latest call being circulated is from Casey while she is in jail.

Did anyone else think it was strange that Lee went to visit Casey in jail on a separate visitation instead of with their parents?

[SeriouslySearching]

This can't be the first call, because she's in jail when she makes the call. The two 911 calls were the first and this is the third, after she's been arrested.

Are there other calls I'm missing?There was a call made from the closed police station. This is what confused me when the calls came out because Cindy referred to calling earlier

[Blink34]

Why would they be visiting? Who are they?

her parents were in today as well

Lee before them, guessing only 2 at a time

[gypsiechavi]

For what it's worth, after listening to the new 911 call, here is what I think.

In the very first call (we know Cindy had been trying to locate Casey for quite some time) we hear Cindy say "My next thing will be to file a child thing and we will get her," Cindy Anthony is heard saying on the line. "If that is the way you want to play, we'll do it."

Casey at this point says she wants one more day. Cindy says I've given you a month.

Now I believe when she says this, it means more or less that "I've given you a month with not knowing where you were. I have you in my car right now and we are going to get to the bottom of this right now!" That's just my opinion.

I believe Casey was threatened by her mother that Caylee would be taken away because she obviously is an unfit mother, a liar, a thief, etc. I think that Cindy may have believed at that moment that Casey was "hiding" Caylee from her in order to keep Cindy from taking her away via custody.

Now bare with me here. I believe that during the second phone call to 911 Cindy is angry about the car and suspects Casey may have done something to harm Caylee in order to keep her from Cindy. I truly believe at this point she is in denial and trying desperately to remain calm and cool, pushing those thoughts far away from her mind.

During the third and more hysterical 911 call, you can almost imagine that Cindy is terrified from a conversation she had with Casey between phone calls that her suspicion may be true. And this puts her in complete panic mode. When Casey tells Cindy the Nanny has her and she hasn't seen her for 31 days, Cindy's head could have been swirling.

Can you imagine for a moment that you have not heard from your daughter for a month's time? You are disappointed in her behavior and concerned enough about the child that you threaten to file for custody. When you finally do find your daughter who stole from you and friends, well here is your chance to have her arrested and take the child. But wait. The child is missing. Who do you believe? What story do you WANT to believe? That Caylee is with a nanny somewhere away from you so you can't take her away? Or that the smell in your car and the first instinct you have (which may cause you to be sick to death) is that your own daughter killed your granddaughter?

My opinion is that this thing has spiraled out of control for Cindy. I believe that she really wants to believe that her daughter did not murder her granddaughter. That someone does have Caylee if only to keep her away from Cindy per Casey's wishes. I believe that Casey may be all she has left once this is all said and done. And I believe she may even blame herself for it happening to begin with.

It is hard for me to imagine a mother murdering her own daughter. But it happens. And for reasons far less significant than a custody battle. It could be Caylee died as an accident, which is what I would like to believe. However, the progression of events and the reactions to those events make me feel as though this were a cold blooded murder. Either out of rage and frustration, or calculated and planned.

Just my two cents.

[SuziQ]

Here are the three 911 calls. I believe the first one is the from the closed police station. Correct me if I'm wrong:

NEW 911 Call (http://www.wftv.com/video/16989413/index.html) | 911 Call #2 (http://www.wftv.com/video/16980843/index.html) | 911 Call #3 (http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html)

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.wesh.com/news/16980706/detail.html

Here are the 3 calls to 911. The first call is a 2-part recording.

The latest call being circulated is from Casey while she is in jail.

Did anyone else think it was strange that Lee went to visit Casey in jail on a separate visitation instead of with their parents?No, it doesn't surprise me because Lee believes he can get through to Casey without his parents. It is the sibling thing. He was wise to go alone. However, I doubt if much came of it since they are being recorded. I am sure her Attorney warned her not to say anything relating to the case.

[DBinMA]

There is a Frank Bourgeois who charters boats in Florida (google search)

[SuziQ]

We have now posted the full phone call that Casey Anthony made to her family below. If you want to here it in shorter pieces (or if you get an error message on this page):
This is the part of the call with the call with her mother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,7035796.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her brother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-i-have-no-clue-where-mp3,0,1012103.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her friend, Kristina Chester. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-blaming-me-mp3,0,2202173.mp3file)
You also can here other audio, including 911 calls here. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-audio-caylee-marie-missing-072508,0,237054.audiogallery)

[Leila]

A new article at Fox Orlando:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7064873&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

"Padilla says in reference to the odor found in Caylee's mother's car, he says he has no doubt that the smell is of decomposition of a human body."

[SeriouslySearching]

Except Gypsie...Cindy said in open court that she talked to Casey every day.

[mkay882]

I hope their good news is not that they finally have been able to make bond for Casey.

:woohoo: I would hope they have learned where Caylee is living and are going to pick her up!

That would be the best news!!

[SuziQ]

I just updated the timeline to include the phone call links:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2417412#post2417412

[SuziQ]

Unfortunately I think Casey is sending her parents on another wild goose chase. Decomp is decomp.

[JustJax]

http://www.wesh.com/news/16980706/detail.html

Here are the 3 calls to 911. The first call is a 2-part recording.

The latest call being circulated is from Casey while she is in jail.

Did anyone else think it was strange that Lee went to visit Casey in jail on a separate visitation instead of with their parents?
Could be because of the so called close relationship that Lee claims to have with Casey...maybe if he see's her alone, with out the adversarial atmosphere with Cindy around, he may get her to talk. Or may be just due to the fact Lee does not reside with his parents.

[StealthTheory]

:( Listening to the phonecall between her and her friend. I feel badly for her friend. She's trying so hard to get Casey to give information without making her angry.

[*~Aimee~*]

We have now posted the full phone call that Casey Anthony made to her family below. If you want to here it in shorter pieces (or if you get an error message on this page):
This is the part of the call with the call with her mother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,7035796.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her brother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-i-have-no-clue-where-mp3,0,1012103.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her friend, Kristina Chester. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-blaming-me-mp3,0,2202173.mp3file)
You also can here other audio, including 911 calls here. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-audio-caylee-marie-missing-072508,0,237054.audiogallery)

Thank you bunches. :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

Unfortunately I think Casey is sending her parents on another wild goose chase. Decomp is decomp.True. And where else could the decomp have come from? Did someone steal her car and use it for another transport of a body? Not likely.

[whiteangora]

http://www.wesh.com/news/16980706/detail.html

Here are the 3 calls to 911. The first call is a 2-part recording.

The latest call being circulated is from Casey while she is in jail.

Did anyone else think it was strange that Lee went to visit Casey in jail on a separate visitation instead of with their parents?

Considering the way Lee did not walk out of the courthouse with his parents either, it might be safe to speculate they are not on good terms.
jmo
Now, if we only knew why?

[*~Aimee~*]

Considering the way Lee did not walk out of the courthouse with his parents either, it might be safe to speculate they are not on good terms.
jmo
Now, if we only knew why?

or could he have parked in a different location? I have done that gona to a gathering and go out a different way to my car. :waitasec:

[StealthTheory]

I wonder if she ever talked to Tony...

[Blink34]

Unfortunately I think Casey is sending her parents on another wild goose chase. Decomp is decomp.

Heartbraking, I really think they are doing what they are doing because they've gone mad at the alternative. That girl's voice is chilling- how does someone get like that. The reality well dried up at that house

[SuziQ]

True. And where else could the decomp have come from? Did someone steal her car and use it for another transport of a body? Not likely.

Exactly.

I hope you don't mind me expanding under your quote. But I also wanted to touch on the discussion regarding decomp and the P&C aspect of it. It is true that every living thing goes through this process when it dies. Whether it's a plant, vegitables, animal or human. But they are still scientifically different from each other. Otherwise we'd have rotting tomatos smelling like a human dead body. It just doesn't happen. Cadaver dogs are trained for dead humans only. They won't hit on a dead animal or drugs, or explosives or anything else for that matter.

[gypsiechavi]

Except Gypsie...Cindy said in open court that she talked to Casey every day.

Well, I just wonder because talking to someone on the phone and getting the runaround is just as frustrating as not talking to them at all. I truly believe that Casey gave everyone the runaround the entire month. I can only imagine the exchanges between mother and daughter during that time that would lead Cindy to try and have her daughter arrested in the first place.

Listening to the phone conversations from jail made me feel like Casey likes to think she is in total control over everyone. I think she truly believes she is cunning. The way she talks down to her mother and is sarcastic speaks volumes. As does the way she speaks to her friend in that condescending tone all the while calling her "honey".

Casey really thinks she is in control.

[liltigress]

She immediately said NO Tony is not involved. If she didn't know where Caylee was, she would have no idea who is involved. Something stinks there.

[InsomniacWoman]

Quoting from the Orlando Sentinel article:



In my opinion, it is important to note that the words "to find her" or "to find Caylee" are not spoken. It is easy to project that meaning onto the conversation -- however it is not necessarily what they are discussing.

This conversation could likely be about a custody issue. Perhaps Cindy was seeking to get custody of Caylee and had given Casey 30 days to turn the child over, or she was going to begin legal custody proceedings.

It's taking me forever to catch up again :)

But IMO, that's the impression that I got, that Cindy wanted to seek custody.

[Deedlbugg]

I still don't understand why Casey doesn't have Tony's number? WHY does she need to call Lee/home to get it? At that age I had my BF's number memorized after our first date! It also seems like the family certainly doesn't want her talking to him and they seem concerned about his involvement. What all do we know about this guy?

Also, didn't anyone else's stomach churn when she said, in annoyance ,to her friend "all they care about is finding Caylee".
WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE HER FIRST CONCERN TOO?

I am so upset over this whole case.

[liltigress]

This friend of Casey's almost falls apart, starts crying saying that she would die if anything has happened to Caylee, but Casey is so cold, showing NO emotion except sounding put-out because no one will give her Tony's number. Wow... I'm convinced she's done something. Her attitude doesn't much sound like it could have been an accident now.

[SuziQ]

Listening to the phone conversations from jail made me feel like Casey likes to think she is in total control over everyone. I think she truly believes she is cunning. The way she talks down to her mother and is sarcastic speaks volumes. As does the way she speaks to her friend in that condescending tone all the while calling her "honey".

Casey really thinks she is in control.

I picked up on that too.

[SeriouslySearching]

She doesn't have Tony's number because it was on the cell phone. The numbers are listed by name and you don't need to memorize the actual number...just push the button and call.

[A.Wood]

Now that I have heard the audio I am thinking more along the lines that they are really trying to believe that Caylee is out there and that Casey didn't harm Caylee. In front of the cameras she is defending her daughter but on the phone she isn't talking to her daughter like she did nothing wrong. I know people who are wishy washy and will defend their daughter one moment and the next they are throwing them under the bus.

I am now just wondering what Casey's father was so happy about when they left visitation.

[liltigress]

No knowing Tony's number is a cell phone thing. Even I don't know my friends numbers but I dial them by name. That's not surprising.

[SeriouslySearching]

Heartbraking, I really think they are doing what they are doing because they've gone mad at the alternative. That girl's voice is chilling- how does someone get like that. The reality well dried up at that houseShe sounds like a spoiled brat to me. I am surprised she hasn't tried holding her breath until she turns blue and stomping her feet.

She was raised this way, imo. Casey has never known consequences of her actions before. She takes and takes from people. She is a user.

[ketel0ne]

After hearing the call from jail i truly believe Cindy and George are supporting Casey through the media to get her to open up. She attacked them for not supporting her. I also believe them focusing on Caylee and not the negatives of her arrest is their way of sending her that message. I don't think what Cindy and George are saying on TV is what they really think, it what they have determined is needed to send a different message to Casey.

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't see the clip of George, but he might be happy because they are going to get Casey out. I can't see any other reason for it at this point. He wouldn't be happy if Casey told the truth...because it would most likely mean Caylee wasn't coming home and he would be devastated.

[liltigress]

This bothers me to no end!

Kristina crying: If anything happened to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. You hear what I'm saying, I'll die... if anything happens to that baby.

Casey: Woah! Oh My God, Calling you guys, waste, huge waste.

[gypsiechavi]

Casey is very dismissive to her friend during the telephone conversation. It makes me wonder........is Caylee still alive? Does Casey know where she is? Who has her? Is this really just a custody issue? What about the decomp? Any validity to that aside from what the media is reporting? Have any valid tests come back from the crime lab?

Could this really just be Casey trying to keep her daughter away from Cindy? Probably not. But I'd hate to stop looking. And that is most likely exactly what Casey's family is going through right now.

[Deedlbugg]

She doesn't have Tony's number because it was on the cell phone. The numbers are listed by name and you don't need to memorize the actual number...just push the button and call.

Didn't think of it his way. Guess I'm too old school :bang:

[SeriouslySearching]

After hearing the call from jail i truly believe Cindy and George are supporting Casey through the media to get her to open up. She attacked them for not supporting her. I also believe them focusing on Caylee and not the negatives of her arrest is their way of sending her that message. I don't think what Cindy and George are saying on TV is what they really think, it what they have determined is needed to send a different message to Casey.I guess I don't understand why Casey is allowed to watch her case on television while in jail.

[SuziQ]

http://www.wftv.com/news/16991834/detail.html

Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, remained jailed Friday as her attorney continued trying to get her bond lowered. Casey's attorney says, instead of her sitting jail or even under court order to stay home, he wants to be able to retrace her steps with her by his side.

"Is it safe to say you believe the babysitter story?" WFTV reporter Steve Barrett asked attorney Jose Baez.

"Absolutely," he said. (more at link)

[Leila]

We have now posted the full phone call that Casey Anthony made to her family below. If you want to here it in shorter pieces (or if you get an error message on this page):
This is the part of the call with the call with her mother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,7035796.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her brother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-i-have-no-clue-where-mp3,0,1012103.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her friend, Kristina Chester. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-blaming-me-mp3,0,2202173.mp3file)
You also can here other audio, including 911 calls here. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-audio-caylee-marie-missing-072508,0,237054.audiogallery)

Thanks Suzy............that made is easy.

From listening to Casey in speaking with Cindy, Lee, and Christina, I can see how difficult it is for those around Casey. She speaks very convincingly and I can see how people would take what she says as the truth, only later learning differently. In light of what we know of the situation - the decomposition odors in the backyard of the Anthony home and the 1998 Pontiac..............we know Casey isn't telling the truth.

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow and he says it with a straight face, too.

[mkay882]

http://www.wftv.com/news/16988642/detail.html
Grandpa speaks.

[lilacwine]

I feel for the family.... I know they've done some strange things.. but I think they realize that if they disenfranchise Casey they will lose all hope of finding Caylee.

Casey has obviously manipulated them for years and they're doing what they can to find Caylee.... and trying to find any other reason than matricide. But, quite truthfully... nothing will make this girl crack.... her issues go beyond covering up something....

she doesn't accept reality and thinks she can twist it.

That's my opinion anyways.

[jazzelwood]

OMG I so want to punch casey into reality. she is soo snarky to everyone - but i'm pretty sure that will be impossible.....

[ketel0ne]

http://www.wftv.com/news/16991834/detail.html

Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, remained jailed Friday as her attorney continued trying to get her bond lowered. Casey's attorney says, instead of her sitting jail or even under court order to stay home, he wants to be able to retrace her steps with her by his side.

"Is it safe to say you believe the babysitter story?" WFTV reporter Steve Barrett asked attorney Jose Baez.

"Absolutely," he said. (more at link)

Maybe he just wants to go to Fusion?

[liltigress]

I don't hear her as being convincing. Her daughter is missing, people think she is dead, Casey is annoyed.

Nothing about that adds up.

[SuziQ]

This explains alot:

http://www.wftv.com/news/16991834/detail.html

Still, Baez wants an appeals court to intervene and allow a lower bond so the novice attorney with just three years experience can set out himself to solve the case.

[MistyGirl]

"Kristina crying: If anything happened to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. You hear what I'm saying, I'll die... if anything happens to that baby.

Casey: Woah! Oh My God, Calling you guys, waste, huge waste."

I am so sick to my stomach I can't even tell you. Casey is the coldest & most selfish person.....

[JustJax]

After hearing the call from jail i truly believe Cindy and George are supporting Casey through the media to get her to open up. She attacked them for not supporting her. I also believe them focusing on Caylee and not the negatives of her arrest is their way of sending her that message. I don't think what Cindy and George are saying on TV is what they really think, it what they have determined is needed to send a different message to Casey.
I agree...the first words out of Casey's mouth when calling from jail were not anything to help find Caylee, but to slam her mother for her "little cameo." Nothing in that whole conversation was of any use to locate the baby, just a spoiled, imature brat more concerned about contacting her boyfriend than her missing child.

[SuziQ]

I guess I don't understand why Casey is allowed to watch her case on television while in jail.

IMO, that allows her to manipulate her story further.

[Leila]

I picked up on that too.

And Cindy on the phone with Casey is a different Cindy than we've seen in media interviews. It's like Cindy is scared of Casey.......doesn't want to say something that will set her off.........walking on eggshells, while at the same time trying to elicit some information.

[Liz]

Gist of phone convo between Cindy and Casey (not verbatim):

Inmate Casey: I just saw your cameo on TV
Mama Cindy: Which one?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
What planet are these people from???

[InsomniacWoman]

This bothers me to no end!

It definitely bothers me as well! For once in my life I don't even know what to say, except to just shake my head in disbelief, and disgust :(

[Lucy's mom]

This bothers me to no end!
I'm sorry but I'm at work and can't listen so I'm just reading what everyone is posting. What on earth does Casey mean when she says this??? Can anyone enlighten me?

I'm editing this as I'm now reading it that calling her friends was a waste of her time becasue she obviously doesn't give a $hit about Caylee and doesn't care to talk about her. Pathetic.

[liltigress]

I honestly thought Casey would crack. She's not gonna, not after listening to these phone calls. She is cold, selfish, uncaring....

"They've already said they're going to pin this on me even if they don't find Caylee"

She could care less if anyone finds Caylee, she knows she's going to prison anyway.

[jazzelwood]

psychopaths don't crack

[liltigress]

Kristina: They said the person you dropped her off with doesn't exist.

Casey (sarcastically): Because, Oh Look, they can't find her in the Florida database.

[abrakadabra]

hey!!



just realized these boards were back up. but, not sure if anyone copied this... but i posted it in the temp form, and on insessions...

i emailed jesse's dad last night, after he came here and after the blog he wrote. i asked him a few questions, and here's his reply... don't kno why, but i believe everything he says. regardless of his "religious" beliefs... :



Thank you for writing.

No my son Jesse is not the father. He paid for the best testing in the nation to prove there was 0% possibility he was the father. And, it devestated him because at that point he loved that little girl. Even then he was willing to stay with the mother and take care of her and Caylee. That's the story that hasn't gotten out yet because of this case being active and pending. The Sheriff's Dept now has the paperwork and said they would give a statement about that. I am hoping it's soon because the attention worsens every day.

If you read my blog, Caylee was here almost every day of the first ten months of her life. We all fell in love with her. This is personal for all of us.

How can someone not be offended when their spirituality is questioned or whether they are mobsters and in on the disappearance. Or, speculation as to your son's character or actions. Speculation like this goes beyond trying to figure this case out it becomes hurtful and libelous. Even the reporters and news people that hound us day and night are careful of what they say. From what I've seen of many, not all, on that site is very hurtful stuff. They have forgotten these are real people not fictional characters.

And, in the midst of all of that Jesse works his butt off for the Anthony family trying to find Caylee.

As for the police resignation - he realized he didn't have the personality or spiritual make up to be a street cop. He was raised that everything is black or white, there are no greys. And, he was raised to treat people with respect and not to see them all as criminals or"perps". That's not what they wanted. So, before he made a long term mistake he resigned for personal reasons to go back to school and get his masters in Criminal Justice. That took a lot of character and courage to do. But, that doesn't sell newspapers does it?

Casey, the mother, has not been in our lives for two years. She's only been in his because he gets to see Caylee and still be a part of her life. Without Caylee there is no reason to put up with Casey's lies and manipulations.

There you have all the perinent answers.

God bless.

[JustJax]

psychopaths don't crack
So right...and if they do start to loose thier cool...they are reminded to "deny, deny, deny" (quote from Jackie Peterson's book on how to be a sociopath)

[liltigress]

I'm sorry but I'm at work and can't listen so I'm just reading what everyone is posting. What on earth does Casey mean when she says this??? Can anyone enlighten me?

I'm editing this as I'm now reading it that calling her friends was a waste of her time becasue she obviously doesn't give a $hit about Caylee and doesn't care to talk about her. Pathetic.

It is pathetic. I'm so glad the press is allowing us to hear these calls. It sure sheds a brighter (not new) light on Casey.

[LinetteH]

After hearing the call from jail i truly believe Cindy and George are supporting Casey through the media to get her to open up. She attacked them for not supporting her. I also believe them focusing on Caylee and not the negatives of her arrest is their way of sending her that message. I don't think what Cindy and George are saying on TV is what they really think, it what they have determined is needed to send a different message to Casey.

Exactly what my thoughts have been all along...I posted about this last night since I do not think there is a way in hell a grandparent would allow their child to hurt their grandchild and be supportive of them.

[curiositycat]

Yesterday I was thinking "this girl is a love addict". After hearing this call where all she can do is ask for TONY's telephone number I am convinced on it.
My guess is that good ol' Tony didn't want kids. Caylee stood in the way of her drug, TONY.
This is pathetic. Her whole family is a group of enablers. They enable her to act this way.:furious:

[Leila]

I don't hear her as being convincing. Her daughter is missing, people think she is dead, Casey is annoyed.

Nothing about that adds up.

When I say convincingly.........I mean she makes those around her appear as if they're asking stupid questions......turning their questions around. She's skilled at this. I can see Casey at age 10 saying, "Mom come on now, do you really think I'd steal a 10 cent candy bar when I've got money in my pocket?"

[SeriouslySearching]

"Kristina crying: If anything happened to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. You hear what I'm saying, I'll die... if anything happens to that baby.

Casey: Woah! Oh My God, Calling you guys, waste, huge waste."

I am so sick to my stomach I can't even tell you. Casey is the coldest & most selfish person.....Yes, that statement got me, too. WTH?!

[LinetteH]

Yes, that statement got me, too. WTH?!

Me too--it felt like a punch in the stomach!

[SeriouslySearching]

When I say convincingly.........I mean she makes those around her appear as if they're asking stupid questions......turning their questions around. She's skilled at this. I can see Casey at age 10 saying, "Mom come on now, do you really think I'd steal a 10 cent candy bar when I've got money in my pocket?"Or her saying, "Mom, you know that you stole the candy bar and I am going to tell them you beat me if you tell them I did it."

[kathyn2]

OK, I have part of another theory here. AFter listening to the partial conversation between Cindy and Casey on the first 911 call I feel that Cindy and Casey have been having words, maybe for a long time, about Cindy going for custody of Casey permanently. I feel like Cindy has held that over Casey for quite a while because Casey is so immature and takes no responsibility, doesn't work, parties, drinks yada yada. I think Casey got ticked and left with Caylee and after a short while Cindy kept asking to see or talk to Caylee but Casey gave her lots of excuses and Cindy fell for them for a while, til the day she finally located Casey (I also think after all I have read and heard that Cindy was looking for Casey's locations for a while). When she finally found Casey and saw no Caylee Cindy was getting more and more concerned and told Casey to produce Caylee that day or she was going to the police.

I think the reason Cindy thinks the child is alive is because she thinks Casey is hiding Caylee out somewhere or sent her away with that nany. That is why Cindy thinks she is alive. So the question is, did Casey do away with Caylee so mom couldn't take her? Or did she send her into hiding somewhere????

[SeriouslySearching]

Did anyone catch Pat Brown's profile on this case on Fox earlier? It was interesting. For once, I have to agree with her.

[Elley Mae]

I thought I was going to have a kaniption fit. First 911 8:08 second 8:31 or41? third 9:44.

[liltigress]

Fox news says that OCS confirms the dogs hit on 2 spots in the back yard.

[Blink34]

She sounds like a spoiled brat to me. I am surprised she hasn't tried holding her breath until she turns blue and stomping her feet.

She was raised this way, imo. Casey has never known consequences of her actions before. She takes and takes from people. She is a user.

OMG- If you listen to the call between her and Christine, I swear Christine is the only one that knew right away Caylee was gone, her breakdown was her slip into that reality.
Secondly, does anyone else think that Casey is clearly suffering from substance abuse withdrawl over that last 24 hours? I really think Casey's abuse problem is worse than anyone thinks, and she has been stoned since Caylee's death and she sounds to me like all she gives a chit about is if she is honest she wont get a fix, maybe they should offer her that and see what happens..
Thirdly, my hinky is up on the bf (intentionally laying low on the name) now that I think of it was it 6/9 she went over there and told him Caylee was gone?

[SeriouslySearching]

Fox news says that OCS confirms the dogs hit on 2 spots in the back yard.Finally, we can put that to rest then.

[Schmerty_Jones]

Casey just can't relate to anyone's feelings. She has no caring for anyone....just herself. Chilling!

[Elley Mae]

Did anyone catch Pat Brown's profile on this case on Fox earlier? It was interesting. For once, I have to agree with her.

Yes I saw that. amazing.

[Cakegirl]

We have now posted the full phone call that Casey Anthony made to her family below. If you want to here it in shorter pieces (or if you get an error message on this page):
This is the part of the call with the call with her mother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,7035796.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her brother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-i-have-no-clue-where-mp3,0,1012103.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her friend, Kristina Chester. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-blaming-me-mp3,0,2202173.mp3file)
You also can here other audio, including 911 calls here. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-audio-caylee-marie-missing-072508,0,237054.audiogallery)


Wow, just catching up now... and these calls are crazy. I cannot comprehend how helpless this family must feel with not knowing the truth about what happened to Caylee. :(

Casey thinks she has everyone so wrapped up around her finger. Geez, giving them all the guilt trip; ughhh, with such a nasty attitude. Forget the fact that her DAUGHTER is missing --> just give her Tonys number NOW! :eek:

And after all the phone calls I guess she'll get to watch more TV to see what everyone is saying about her and who's car is in the driveway. Do we have a puke smiley? Blah...

[Blink34]

Did anyone catch Pat Brown's profile on this case on Fox earlier? It was interesting. For once, I have to agree with her.

LOL, right.. please recap if you can, did not see

[Elley Mae]

She said on the first 911 call to Casey " i have given you a month".OMG

[SuziQ]

Fox video-Criminal profiler, Pat Brown weighs in:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2629271&referralPlaylistId=b895e6943a20a5ba0d5beadb011b18b 7ea0a1398

[liltigress]

When I say convincingly.........I mean she makes those around her appear as if they're asking stupid questions......turning their questions around. She's skilled at this. I can see Casey at age 10 saying, "Mom come on now, do you really think I'd steal a 10 cent candy bar when I've got money in my pocket?"

Yes, absolutely, I see what you're saying now and I agree. She sounds manipulative and conniving.

[Boilly]

I am pretty stunned after hearing the phone calls, especially the one between Casey and her friend. What world does Casey live in? She is so cold and does not care one bit about her daughter. She's not upset, just thinking about herself and how her family has done her wrong. If she only knew how much her family has been trying to save her arse. I don't even know what to say after hearing that. I would be destroyed if my child were missing and I had been arrested. If there is one ounce of truth in her story she would not be acting like this.

[jazzelwood]

She said on the first 911 call to Casey " i have given you a month".OMG

yes NG or greta should go indepth on that statement..What does that mean!!

[Leila]

hey!!



just realized these boards were back up. but, not sure if anyone copied this... but i posted it in the temp form, and on insessions...

i emailed jesse's dad last night, after he came here and after the blog he wrote. i asked him a few questions, and here's his reply... don't kno why, but i believe everything he says. regardless of his "religious" beliefs... :



Thank you for writing.

No my son Jesse is not the father. He paid for the best testing in the nation to prove there was 0% possibility he was the father. And, it devestated him because at that point he loved that little girl. Even then he was willing to stay with the mother and take care of her and Caylee. That's the story that hasn't gotten out yet because of this case being active and pending. The Sheriff's Dept now has the paperwork and said they would give a statement about that. I am hoping it's soon because the attention worsens every day.

If you read my blog, Caylee was here almost every day of the first ten months of her life. We all fell in love with her. This is personal for all of us.

How can someone not be offended when their spirituality is questioned or whether they are mobsters and in on the disappearance. Or, speculation as to your son's character or actions. Speculation like this goes beyond trying to figure this case out it becomes hurtful and libelous. Even the reporters and news people that hound us day and night are careful of what they say. From what I've seen of many, not all, on that site is very hurtful stuff. They have forgotten these are real people not fictional characters.

And, in the midst of all of that Jesse works his butt off for the Anthony family trying to find Caylee.

As for the police resignation - he realized he didn't have the personality or spiritual make up to be a street cop. He was raised that everything is black or white, there are no greys. And, he was raised to treat people with respect and not to see them all as criminals or"perps". That's not what they wanted. So, before he made a long term mistake he resigned for personal reasons to go back to school and get his masters in Criminal Justice. That took a lot of character and courage to do. But, that doesn't sell newspapers does it?

Casey, the mother, has not been in our lives for two years. She's only been in his because he gets to see Caylee and still be a part of her life. Without Caylee there is no reason to put up with Casey's lies and manipulations.

There you have all the perinent answers.

God bless.

Abrakadabra...................thanks for taking the initiative and emailing Rev. Grund. I'm glad he responded and clearing up so many questions. I think the whole Grund family are just some of the many victims of Casey Anthony, and they continue to be victimized by all that's happening now.

[mkay882]

LOL, right.. please recap if you can, did not see


Ditto!
TIA

[abrakadabra]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=387242815


link to Kristina Chester's myspace... the friend on the jail call. looks to have a boy about the same age as caylee... only 4 comments total, one being from Casey on June 20th.

[curiositycat]

There is one point in the call with Cindy that Casey says "What do you mean" I think time will prove that Cindy too has known for the same amount of time that Caylee is missing. I think she is used to Casey "playing" her and so thought the whole time that is what Casey was doing.
ONE WORD TO THE ANTHONY's ENABLING.
Quit ENABLING this girl.

[Elley Mae]

yes NG or greta should go indepth on that statement..What does that mean!!

To me it means that Cindy had NOT talked to Casey like she said under oath.

[SuziQ]

Fox video-Criminal profiler, Pat Brown weighs in:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2629271&referralPlaylistId=b895e6943a20a5ba0d5beadb011b18b 7ea0a1398

I posted before I listened. Dang, I have to agree with Pat here!

[gypsiechavi]

OK, I have part of another theory here. AFter listening to the partial conversation between Cindy and Casey on the first 911 call I feel that Cindy and Casey have been having words, maybe for a long time, about Cindy going for custody of Casey permanently. I feel like Cindy has held that over Casey for quite a while because Casey is so immature and takes no responsibility, doesn't work, parties, drinks yada yada. I think Casey got ticked and left with Caylee and after a short while Cindy kept asking to see or talk to Caylee but Casey gave her lots of excuses and Cindy fell for them for a while, til the day she finally located Casey (I also think after all I have read and heard that Cindy was looking for Casey's locations for a while). When she finally found Casey and saw no Caylee Cindy was getting more and more concerned and told Casey to produce Caylee that day or she was going to the police.

I think the reason Cindy thinks the child is alive is because she thinks Casey is hiding Caylee out somewhere or sent her away with that nany. That is why Cindy thinks she is alive. So the question is, did Casey do away with Caylee so mom couldn't take her? Or did she send her into hiding somewhere????

And this is my argument too. Could Caylee be alive? Until I hear from the Orange County Sheriff NOT FOX NEWS that they found human decomp, I will wonder if this is the case. Could it be Casey is so cool (and almost laughing imo) during the phone calls from jail because she knows Caylee is safe? Did she ask for immunity because this got out of control?

Could it be as simple as Casey sending Caylee away with someone to spite her mother? Then Cindy finds Casey and she makes up some sort of story about a babysitter and Caylee being missing for 31 days? But things got out of Casey's control when the police were called. And now she is in jail and people are speculating she killed her daughter. Didn't she ask for immunity in exchange for information to help find her daughter? Could it be in her mind she thought that "Oh no. Now I am in jail and this is serious. I know where she is but I only did it to keep her away from my mother. Maybe if I get immunity, I can tell them where she is, keep custody, and not be prosecuted for child neglect by causing this whole mess."

[jazzelwood]

To me it means that Cindy had NOT talked to Casey like she said under oath.

I thought this earlier:
so the gm says.."I want to see caylee, oh...so you don't know where she is? Well...i'll give you 1 month to produce her?"

WTF!

[SuziQ]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=387242815


link to Kristina Chester's myspace... the friend on the jail call. looks to have a boy about the same age as caylee... only 4 comments total, one being from Casey on June 20th.

So is this the same Kristina who is in the affidavit saying she saw Caylee mid July-ish?

[Lucy's mom]

So I went on Wikipedia to look up psychopath. Who does this sound like! :furious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Factor1: Aggressive narcissism

Glibness / superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning / manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow
Callous / lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor2: Socially deviant lifestyle

Need for stimulation / proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release

Traits not correlated with either factor

Many short-term marital relationships
Promiscuous sexual behavior
Criminal versatility

[Liz]

hey!!
(snipped)

i emailed jesse's dad last night, after he came here and after the blog he wrote. i asked him a few questions, and here's his reply... don't kno why, but i believe everything he says. regardless of his "religious" beliefs... :

Thank you for writing.

No my son Jesse is not the father. He paid for the best testing in the nation to prove there was 0% possibility he was the father. (snipped)

Thanks - I'm glad you wrote him, abra. I had a feeling this was going to be the case. As one of our WSers pointed out previously (sorry I don't recall who), Cindy used the past tense of believe when she testified in court on Tuesday. "They believed he was the father" ---- she just never completed her thought.

[curiositycat]

I don't think Caylee is alive. I wish I did. But I think Casey wanted her gone because of Tony. I bet Tony didn't want kids.

[SuziQ]

I don't think Caylee is alive. I wish I did. But I think Casey wanted her gone because of Tony. I bet Tony didn't want kids.

Weigh in with your psych knowledge. What do you think after hearing the calls. Do you agree with Pat Brown?

[liltigress]

I took that to mean that Cindy had been trying to see Caylee for a month and Casey kept putting her off.

A sociopath might just break their own arm to say you did it. I'm not gonna be surprised anymore at anything this girl will do.

[Cakegirl]

I haven't heard the Pat Brown discussion yet... so can't chime in on it yet.

But ~ I think Casey wanted Caylee missing because Caylee was cramping her style. Casey wanted to party & kick it like her little party friends did. It's hard to do with a little 2 year old tagging behind. Especially if Casey didn't have her mom to lean on as a constant drop-in/live-in babysitter.

[Hailiejade77]

Has the entire jailhouse call from Casey and her family been posted on this thread yet?
Cause I have it

[Hailiejade77]

I also have the jailhouse visitor sign in too

[Elley Mae]

I don't think Casey moved out, I think she left when mom and dad were not at home, she took the car, she took mom's credit card,and it was only after the notice from the tow company that Cindy began her search.And all Heck broke out from there.

[auntbaby]

This girl lives in her own twisted world. The only thing that matters is HER. In the phone call to her home while talking to her friend, she complains of being arrested on a WHIM. She is one cold cold reptile. I get an awful feeling just listening to her ready explanations of anything asked of her. Can you imagine what it would be like to be a helpless child and have her as your protector and caretaker?

[curiositycat]

Weigh in with your psych knowledge. What do you think after hearing the calls. Do you agree with Pat Brown?
You bet.
I will go one further, I said a few posts back that Casey is a love addict.

She did away with that child because of Tony. I think Tony didn't want kids.

Her daughter is missing, and people are upset and all she can ask them all is "Give me Tony's number"

I wish that someone could get through to this whole family that they are handling this girl all wrong.

If they would quit running after her for answers and just back off and ignore this little "princess" they would get further.

They are classic cases of "co-dependency" in my book.

You know my heart aches for poor little Caylee. She didn't ask to be brought into this world! I pray this woman gets the death penalty.

I DO NOT think the child is alive. If she were Casey would have told where she is. She is not able to party in jail! If she gave this "Zanida" permission to take Caylee what would the charges be? Nothing to keep her in jail without bond!

I fear the worst for precious little Caylee.

[Elley Mae]

I also have the jailhouse visitor sign in too

POst them please>

[Liz]

Has the entire jailhouse call from Casey and her family been posted on this thread yet?
Cause I have it

I say go for it, Hailie!
Maybe you should create a new thread for "Jail House Calls"? :)

[RoseRed]

And this is my argument too. Could Caylee be alive? Until I hear from the Orange County Sheriff NOT FOX NEWS that they found human decomp, I will wonder if this is the case. Could it be Casey is so cool (and almost laughing imo) during the phone calls from jail because she knows Caylee is safe? Did she ask for immunity because this got out of control?

Could it be as simple as Casey sending Caylee away with someone to spite her mother? Then Cindy finds Casey and she makes up some sort of story about a babysitter and Caylee being missing for 31 days? But things got out of Casey's control when the police were called. And now she is in jail and people are speculating she killed her daughter. Didn't she ask for immunity in exchange for information to help find her daughter? Could it be in her mind she thought that "Oh no. Now I am in jail and this is serious. I know where she is but I only did it to keep her away from my mother. Maybe if I get immunity, I can tell them where she is, keep custody, and not be prosecuted for child neglect by causing this whole mess."

I think that is very possible.

[Truly]

Wait a minute. In the phone call excerpt with the brother, Casey refers to her First bond hearing. How would she know at that point (within 24 hrs of her arrest, according to Lee on the same call) how the First bond hearing a week later would turn out?

I keep getting this very queasy feeling that this whole cast of un-believable characters are working off of a script. Like some twisted new live 'reality' show? Nothing about this case makes any kind of sense in the real world.

How could Casey know in advance that there would be more than one bond hearing? I suppose guilt could make a person in jail think they would not be released. Still. Does anybody else find that comment odd?

[liltigress]

It really didn't sound much to me like Cindy babysat Caylee very much. Her other friend stated that all their friends took turns watching Caylee. I'm guessing that Casey used her parental rights against her mother just for spite by taking Caylee with her everywhere just to keep Cindy from having her.

I also noticed in the myspace comments that Cindy was pretty busy as well, working then going to the gym and stuff after work. Not sure why that's relevant but thought I'd add that. lol..

[Hailiejade77]

i posted the whole jailhouse call link in the phonecalls and sightings

[Leila]

"Kristina crying: If anything happened to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. You hear what I'm saying, I'll die... if anything happens to that baby.

Casey: Woah! Oh My God, Calling you guys, waste, huge waste."

I am so sick to my stomach I can't even tell you. Casey is the coldest & most selfish person.....

Yes.............that phone call says it all! :furious:

Casey won't ever tell the truth of what happened to Caylee. She'll just continue to spin lies. If the forensic results indicate Caylee is deceased, Casey will spin a new lie.........the evil babysitter stole her car and killed Caylee.

On another note............after listening to that phone call, I hope Casey doesn't make bond and is confined to the Anthony home. I think she's capable of killing her parents, or anyone else that gets in her way. :eek:

[Hailiejade77]

Here is the visitor log,..her mom and dad and lee have visited her. And some other people yesterday, don't know who they are yet
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0725/16990265.pdf

[liljim]

To me it means that Cindy had NOT talked to Casey like she said under oath.

i take it to mean that casey took caylee and left the grandparents home a month ago, cindy has been asking casey to let her see caylee for a month now. cindy does not consider caylee to be "missing" at this point. just that casey is keeping cindy from seeing caylee.

so she tells her she is calling the cops and they will order her to produce caylee.

casey is still trying to delay, most likely because she cant produce caylee for obvious reasons, and asks for one more day just like cindy has said she did all along, cindy has always said that when she finally met with casey and caylee wasnt there that casey told her she would get caylee tomorrow. just wait til tomorrow.

once the police are on the phone repeatedly, casey has to come up with something and says "listen mom, its not just that i wont let you see caylee, i havent even seen her in a month".

and then when cindy calls back the third time to 911, it truly is the first time she considers caylee a "missing person". i dont get the sense she is acting in that call, it sounds genuine to me, and there is a reasonable interpretation of events that supports that being the way it went down.

[auntbaby]

If they record all the phone calls from the jail, has anyone read a transcript of or heard a recording of the phone call that she was so anxious to make to Tony? I would love to hear that one.

[DeltaDawn]

I also have the jailhouse visitor sign in too


I posted a link to the jailhouse visitor sign in on page 3 of this thread. But the thread is moving so fast I think some might have missed it..please post yours too Hailie

[Ronettes]

I've been hating thinking this, but why else would the dogs hit?

(We're rural, so we haul our trash to the landfill every other week. Thanks to our dogs that like to roll around in stinky things and our neighbors' method of disposing of cattle, EVEN I know the difference between the odor of old trash and, well, not trash)

Nothing would thrill me more than to learn Caylee was being hidden to punish Cindy.

I can't stop thinking something happened to Caylee (deliberately or not) and Casey just refuses to ever tell the truth if it would cause her one minute of trouble.

[liljim]

if people want to do some genuine sleuthing - find out exactly who pat and frank bourgeois are and why they would be let in to see casey before ANYONE else.

[SuziQ]

i posted the whole call link in the phonecalls and sightings

Thank you!

[liljim]

If they record all the phone calls from the jail, has anyone read a transcript of or heard a recording of the phone call that she was so anxious to make to Tony? I would love to hear that one.

great question , i certainly hope she was allowed to call him but we just dont know yet.

[RoseRed]

I also have the jailhouse visitor sign in too

Yes and Pat and Frand Bourgeois are supposedly the owners of the Ovieda House and it is being called th " the Party House" Sooo why did they come to see Casey ? Did they arrange her bond ? Is she really coming home tonight ? And is Caylee really alive ?

[curiositycat]

If they record all the phone calls from the jail, has anyone read a transcript of or heard a recording of the phone call that she was so anxious to make to Tony? I would love to hear that one.
My guess is "Tony" has dropped her like a hot potato.

[SuziQ]

You bet.
I will go one further, I said a few posts back that Casey is a love addict.

She did away with that child because of Tony. I think Tony didn't want kids.

Her daughter is missing, and people are upset and all she can ask them all is "Give me Tony's number"

I wish that someone could get through to this whole family that they are handling this girl all wrong.

If they would quit running after her for answers and just back off and ignore this little "princess" they would get further.

They are classic cases of "co-dependency" in my book.

You know my heart aches for poor little Caylee. She didn't ask to be brought into this world! I pray this woman gets the death penalty.

I DO NOT think the child is alive. If she were Casey would have told where she is. She is not able to party in jail! If she gave this "Zanida" permission to take Caylee what would the charges be? Nothing to keep her in jail without bond!

I fear the worst for precious little Caylee.

Thank you so much. After hearing the calls, I don't think this was an accident.

[curiositycat]

Yes and Pat and Frand Bourgeois are supposedly the owners of the Ovieda House and it is being called th " the Party House" Sooo why did they come to see Casey ? Did they arrange her bond ? Is she really coming home tonight ? And is Caylee really alive ?
Where did you hear that she is coming home tonight??? I hope not. :confused:

[SuziQ]

if people want to do some genuine sleuthing - find out exactly who pat and frank bourgeois are and why they would be let in to see casey before ANYONE else.

I was thinking grandparents. But Bourgeois is not Cindy's maiden name. Hmmmm.

[Hailiejade77]

Found Patrick Bourgeois first visitor myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=41823846

[kathyn2]

One other concern I have and that is the boyfriend. The way Casey said he wasn't involved. Sounds to me like she was lying (again). I wonder if he killed Caylee thru some sort of abuse. Shook her or something? And Casey is covering for him. She hardly knows him, only a month, but that is who she is dying to talk to???? Not the family that loves her? Wasn't it this Tony who picked her up?

[DeltaDawn]

i take it to mean that casey took caylee and left the grandparents home a month ago, cindy has been asking casey to let her see caylee for a month now. cindy does not consider caylee to be "missing" at this point. just that casey is keeping cindy from seeing caylee.

so she tells her she is calling the cops and they will order her to produce caylee.

casey is still trying to delay, most likely because she cant produce caylee for obvious reasons, and asks for one more day just like cindy has said she did all along, cindy has always said that when she finally met with casey and caylee wasnt there that casey told her she would get caylee tomorrow. just wait til tomorrow.

once the police are on the phone repeatedly, casey has to come up with something and says "listen mom, its not just that i wont let you see caylee, i havent even seen her in a month".

and then when cindy calls back the third time to 911, it truly is the first time she considers caylee a "missing person". i dont get the sense she is acting in that call, it sounds genuine to me, and there is a reasonable interpretation of events that supports that being the way it went down.

I agree 100 % with jim.

I personally don't agree with Pat Brown. But I should say I seldom agree with her. Usually she is just blowing smoke to me.

I think GMA Cindy loved Caylee and really is falling apart here due to her daughter and trying to hold onto belief that Caylee may be alive.

I think the daughter Casey has bipolar disorder and needs lithium pronto.

I think she, meaning Casey, is used to *****ing people into her own way and when that doesn't work she just walks out. She was holding Caylee over her mother's head for something. Very petty, but it is obvious she was even jealous of any attention Caylee got.


I think Grandma is trying to show solidarity with her daughter just to get to Caylee...one way or the other.

[Hailiejade77]

George said after he talked to Casey to the news that they know whereabouts Caylee is and she is alive

[Elley Mae]

FRank Bourgeois googled mortgage lender.

[DianeB]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I was just watching the :90 excerpt of the video visit from Patrick Bourgeois. "Casey, do you remember me? From middle school, high school? Colonial, Liberty?" (Casey: "Um, vaguely".) "Hung out with Mike Walker? I just wanna come here today to tell you you got a friend outside." (Casey: "Well, I appreciate it.")

It seems like she doesn't even know this guy.

ETA: link (under 'Jailhouse Visitor'):
http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html

[auntbaby]

Maybe she worked for them? Bourgeois, I mean. In her photobucket pics there were some where it looked as if she were serving at a big bash. Very informal though.

[RoseRed]

Where did you hear that she is coming home tonight??? I hope not. :confused:

All that information came from Topix.

[liltigress]

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/BookSearch/results.asp?ATH=Patrick+L.+Bourgeois

Not what I was thinking I would find, but money really is an issue with the Anthony family.

This Patrick Bourgeois is an author. This doesn't prove that it is the same one that visited Casey in jail though, but a good hunch. Sickening!

[thisbliss]

George said after he talked to Casey to the news that they know whereabouts Caylee is and she is alive

Well how about sharing this info with LE. I mean seriously if Casey knew where Caylee was, she wouldn't have been sitting on her thumbs in jail, she would've spilled the beans, to get out. These people need to stop playing games. I personally believe if they did know where Caylee was for sure, GM would be burning rubber to get to her. IMO, MOO.......

Anyone else having a problem listening to the calls from the OS website?

[christine2448]

Have these all been posted?? I am just getting back 'in'.

Caylee Anthony case: Full audio of call from jail (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/07/caylee-anthon-4.html)

We have now posted the full phone call that Casey Anthony made to her family below. If you want to here it in shorter pieces (or if you get an error message on this page):
This is the part of the call with the call with her mother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-if-told-truth-mp3,0,7035796.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her brother. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-i-have-no-clue-where-mp3,0,1012103.mp3file)
This is the part of the call with her friend, Kristina Chester. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-blaming-me-mp3,0,2202173.mp3file)
You also can here other audio, including 911 calls here. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-audio-caylee-marie-missing-072508,0,237054.audiogallery)

[liljim]

George said after he talked to Casey to the news that they know whereabouts Caylee is and she is alive

can you get a quote for that? i havent seen this.

i did see that he was asked if they had good news and he replied "oh yeah", and then he just restated what he has felt all along - that caylee is still alive.

[Blink34]

So is this the same Kristina who is in the affidavit saying she saw Caylee mid July-ish?


I think it was June 12, 13, or 14 Suz

[SuziQ]

I hope this link works, investigators on way to question Casey and Gpa says Caylee alive and soon we'll know the truth. If the link doesn't work it's called "Jailhouse call; new optimism":

http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html#

[Beagle1]

Fox news says that OCS confirms the dogs hit on 2 spots in the back yard.

OCS is acronym for what? Please?

[liltigress]

OCS=Orange County Sheriff

[liljim]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I was just watching the :90 excerpt of the video visit from Patrick Bourgeois. "Casey, do you remember me? From middle school, high school? Colonial, Liberty?" (Casey: "Um, vaguely".) "Hung out with Mike Walker? I just wanna come here today to tell you you got a friend outside." (Casey: "Well, I appreciate it.")

It seems like she doesn't even know this guy.

ETA: link (under 'Jailhouse Visitor'):
http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html


no that had not been posted before, VERY BIZARRE. since when do they let just anybody in?

[SuziQ]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I was just watching the :90 excerpt of the video visit from Patrick Bourgeois. "Casey, do you remember me? From middle school, high school? Colonial, Liberty?" (Casey: "Um, vaguely".) "Hung out with Mike Walker? I just wanna come here today to tell you you got a friend outside." (Casey: "Well, I appreciate it.")

It seems like she doesn't even know this guy.

ETA: link (under 'Jailhouse Visitor'):
http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html

What a trippy visit that was. Can anyone just go visit Casey? Scary! So he's a young guy Casey's age. Was that Patrick or Frank?

[SuziQ]

I think it was June 12, 13, or 14 Suz

You are correct!

[harleysnana]

Secondly, does anyone else think that Casey is clearly suffering from substance abuse withdrawl over that last 24 hours? I really think Casey's abuse problem is worse than anyone thinks, and she has been stoned since Caylee's death and she sounds to me like all she gives a chit about is if she is honest she wont get a fix, maybe they should offer her that and see what happens..



After hearing the phone calls to her family... YES IMO Casey is a drug addict!
I have dealt with a few of them on my own and her "tone" in her voice says it all to me!

IMO Casey has held Caylee over her moms head for a while... just to get her way.
And when her mom finally decided to STOP the manipulation... Casey took
Caylee and did something with her to hurt her mom.

It's the drug addicts way to try to keep the manipulation going.
They hold the most precious thing over your head and offer to take it from
you if you don't do what they want.

[Cakegirl]

What a trippy visit that was. Can anyone just go visit Casey? Scary! So he's a young guy Casey's age. Was that Patrick or Frank?

That myspace link showed Patrick as being 22 years old.

[liljim]

suzi, he said he was patrick.

that really is a wild scene there...

[Blink34]

That myspace link showed Patrick as being 22 years old.

Yes, he went to HS with Casey

[SuziQ]

suzi, he said he was patrick.

that really is a wild scene there...

Even Casey must have been thinking....wtf? lol.

[Hailiejade77]

I guess I don't understand why Casey is allowed to watch her case on television while in jail.

trying to catch up but I saw on I think it was www.wesh.com that she saw the 11 news while she was getting processed the night she was arrested. There was a tv in the office, i guess. Then she called her parents.

[curiositycat]

Frank Bourgeois is 53. Patrick is 22. Father and son.

People Place shows them both in Orlando.

I don't understand why she would see them before her family.

I am HOPING and PRAYING they went there to talk to her about God. Patrick seems to have recently found a personal relationship with God.

Other than that????:confused:

[liltigress]

suzi, he said he was patrick.

that really is a wild scene there...

That was extremely weird, wasn't it?

[Lucy's mom]

The whole Patrick visit at the jail was really bizarre. First, she doesn't even know him. I almost thought she was smirking while thinking "WTH is this guy doing here...weirdo." I just hope that he's not one of those people that is attracted to women in jail/prison. He seemed okay on his myspace, but my "weird meter" is rising! :confused:

[athy]

after hearing the way Casey talked to her family and friend on the phone calls she reminds me so much of Diane Downs.

[curiositycat]

I think he went there to talk to her about a personal relationship with God.

[liltigress]

LE and Baez and Casey are meeting now? Cool, new things, new things..

[Leila]

So is this the same Kristina who is in the affidavit saying she saw Caylee mid July-ish?


I think Kristina said she went for a walk with Casey and Caylee on June 12, 13, or 14, which falls into the revised time line...........June 15th was Fathers Day and when the video of Caylee reading a book was taken.

[kathyn2]

I think that GP George thinks Casey is getting out real soon (tonite maybe) because the cops are going to find her today from whatever Casey told him. I wonder????

[Cakegirl]

Hmmm... with Casey being able to watch TV in jail ~ I wonder if she has internet access! :behindbar :Banane37:

If so, I bet she's really PO'd at us for not believing her story (or stories...). :eek: I can just hear her now... "yeah, well whatever, this site is SUCH a waste of my time, a waste. I shouldn't have even came here. I could have been doing SO many other things with all my free time in jail. I'm gonna call my boyfriend now -- all you guys are worried about is finding Caylee."

Sorry, just had to blow off some steam! This girl is driving me crazy! :furious:

[*~Aimee~*]

I think they family hopefully told Casey to tell ALL she knows to LE. They are having a meeting right now. LE, attorney, and Casey (as of 4:30pm) so I bet we will hear something in a bit. (Crossing my fingers)

[liltigress]

Evidently she is getting out today. Something had him so rejuvenated. I wish they would post the visit and conversation the rest of the family had with her.

[liltigress]

Hmmm... with Casey being able to watch TV in jail ~ I wonder if she has internet access! :behindbar :Banane37:

If so, I bet she's really PO'd at us for not believing her story (or stories...). :eek: I can just hear her now... "yeah, well whatever, this site is SUCH a waste of my time, a waste. I shouldn't have even came here. I could have been doing SO many other things with all my free time in jail. I'm gonna call my boyfriend now -- all you guys are worried about is finding Caylee."

Sorry, just had to blow off some steam! This girl is driving me crazy! :furious:

Eh Eh Eh.... so right.

[c2cd208]

I think they family hopefully told Casey to tell ALL she knows to LE. They are having a meeting right now. LE, attorney, and Casey (as of 4:30pm) so I bet we will hear something in a bit. (Crossing my fingers)
CRossing fingers with you and praying too! Lets all pray that we can get some answers and resolve this soon, good or bad either way we need to find Caylee.

[Hailiejade77]

i take it to mean that casey took caylee and left the grandparents home a month ago, cindy has been asking casey to let her see caylee for a month now. cindy does not consider caylee to be "missing" at this point. just that casey is keeping cindy from seeing caylee.

so she tells her she is calling the cops and they will order her to produce caylee.

casey is still trying to delay, most likely because she cant produce caylee for obvious reasons, and asks for one more day just like cindy has said she did all along, cindy has always said that when she finally met with casey and caylee wasnt there that casey told her she would get caylee tomorrow. just wait til tomorrow.

once the police are on the phone repeatedly, casey has to come up with something and says "listen mom, its not just that i wont let you see caylee, i havent even seen her in a month".

and then when cindy calls back the third time to 911, it truly is the first time she considers caylee a "missing person". i dont get the sense she is acting in that call, it sounds genuine to me, and there is a reasonable interpretation of events that supports that being the way it went down.

thats what i believe happened. Casey was being a spoiled brat and kept telling Cindy she could see her later.

[Cakegirl]

Are the Nancy Grace shows repeats on Friday nights?

[kathyn2]

I hope if Caylee is possibly alive that they don't give her back to ANYONE in this family. Only half way normal sounding one is Lee, the brother.

[Filly]

I believe the dad, Frank is a Captain. Owns a fishing boat. Information at link.

There was a guy about ten years ago named Patrick Bourgeois who murdered his son. I saw him on Oprah. Too old to be this same Patrick though.



http://www.fishreports.net/cgi-bin/fishing-board/board-profile.cgi?action=view_profile&profile=cappy-users

[*~Aimee~*]

CRossing fingers with you and praying too! Lets all pray that we can get some answers and resolve this soon, good or bad either way we need to find Caylee.

:praying::praying::praying:

[imnotheonlyone]

OMG- If you listen to the call between her and Christine, I swear Christine is the only one that knew right away Caylee was gone, her breakdown was her slip into that reality.
Secondly, does anyone else think that Casey is clearly suffering from substance abuse withdrawl over that last 24 hours? I really think Casey's abuse problem is worse than anyone thinks, and she has been stoned since Caylee's death and she sounds to me like all she gives a chit about is if she is honest she wont get a fix, maybe they should offer her that and see what happens..
Thirdly, my hinky is up on the bf (intentionally laying low on the name) now that I think of it was it 6/9 she went over there and told him Caylee was gone?

I think she's in deep..... she claims she hasn't "slept in 4 days" - meth??? All of the money she was stealing...where was THAT going?

[InsomniacWoman]

I was just wondering if maybe Patrick thought he might be able to get some info from Casey, by offering his friendship, saying she has a friend on the outside, he feels really sorry for her, if she needs anything to just let him know, he and Mike Walker (the guy Patrick hung out with in school) are still there for her and on "her team".

Just my opinion but maybe LE feels that the more people they get in there to talk to her, maybe she might finally tell them what happened to Caylee.

Again, just my opinion, but that thought crossed my mind. :)

[SuziQ]

Evidently she is getting out today. Something had him so rejuvenated. I wish they would post the visit and conversation the rest of the family had with her.

A reporter pointed out a couple of reasons she, despite what Gpa said, wouldn't be getting out today. One was it was past the 2pm daily deadline to be fitted for electronic monitoring.

[c2cd208]

I am wondering something. If the dogs hit on the yard which was a signal of a decomposing body, why have the police or forensic team not checked the house for any clues? If this has been mentioned before I apologize in advance but this case has been a whirlwind so it is hard to keep up with it all.

[Leila]

You bet.
I will go one further, I said a few posts back that Casey is a love addict.

She did away with that child because of Tony. I think Tony didn't want kids.

Her daughter is missing, and people are upset and all she can ask them all is "Give me Tony's number"

I wish that someone could get through to this whole family that they are handling this girl all wrong.

If they would quit running after her for answers and just back off and ignore this little "princess" they would get further.

They are classic cases of "co-dependency" in my book.

You know my heart aches for poor little Caylee. She didn't ask to be brought into this world! I pray this woman gets the death penalty.

I DO NOT think the child is alive. If she were Casey would have told where she is. She is not able to party in jail! If she gave this "Zanida" permission to take Caylee what would the charges be? Nothing to keep her in jail without bond!

I fear the worst for precious little Caylee.

I agree with your summary. I also feel the worse has happened.

[SuziQ]

The whole Patrick visit at the jail was really bizarre. First, she doesn't even know him. I almost thought she was smirking while thinking "WTH is this guy doing here...weirdo." I just hope that he's not one of those people that is attracted to women in jail/prison. He seemed okay on his myspace, but my "weird meter" is rising! :confused:

Is there ANYTHING about this case that resembles normal? Even the first jailhouse visit is off the wall.

[liljim]

I am wondering something. If the dogs hit on the yard which was a signal of a decomposing body, why have the police or forensic team not checked the house for any clues? If this has been mentioned before I apologize in advance but this case has been a whirlwind so it is hard to keep up with it all.

cindy did say that they let LE search the whole house, i didnt hear any details but she definitely said that they let them go through the "whole house".

[curiositycat]

I think she was/is hooked on Xanax. That would explain the fact that she can't sleep. If she hasn't had it in jail this could be her problem.
I think it's pathetic they want her out of jail. If she were my daughter she would rot there.
I think she has played games with them for so long that they think she is still doing it and that they can force her to tell them where Caylee is.
I am afraid that will never happen. Because Caylee is no longer with us..that is my sad prediciton.

[Filly]

There's a Frank Bourgeois that is/was a Detective in Florida.

I'm not certain he's the same Frank who owns the fishing boat, but both are from Forida. Looks like one went to LSU as well.

[Elley Mae]

Frank is a morgage lender.

[c2cd208]

cindy did say that they let LE search the whole house, i didnt hear any details but she definitely said that they let them go through the "whole house".
Thank You! It is so hard to keep up with everything on this case. So did they just do like a walk around? Or does anyone know if luminal was sprayed anywhere just in case for detection purposes?

[Elley Mae]

They are having trouble getting money maybe it's Frank the morgage lender.

[MsJoni]

I think Grandma is trying to show solidarity with her daughter just to get to Caylee...one way or the other.[/quote]

I agree, after hearing that phone call, I believe Cindy is trying to get Casie to think she is on her side, esp after knowing Casie is watching everything on TV:eek:. I feel bad for the Grandma.

[curiositycat]

Frank is a morgage lender. If this is the same Frank, EM, it could be that he is going to lend her parents money on their house. Maybe he wanted to talk to her first to make sure she wasn't going to run if they bailed her out.

[LI_Mom]

That idea is far-fetched. I guess someone was brainstorming reasons why the biological father was in question. I think that LE have stated that they believe that the father is dead.

Personally, I doubt Casey ever really knew who got her pregnant.... a boyfriend, a casual friend, or some stranger.

I suppose LE has questioned all the people close to Casey & NOBODY ever reported any contact between Caylee & a potential father.

[Blink34]

I think she's in deep..... she claims she hasn't "slept in 4 days" - meth??? All of the money she was stealing...where was THAT going?

To be fair I have no personal experience with drug use, but 10 years ago my sister had a heroin addiction that nearly blew up my family.
Difference for us was that my parents did not enable her and she got clean, just finished her board cert with a nuclear med degree last month.

Not the norm I know, but I am mentioning that very personal tidbit for 2 reasons:
1. I HEARD Casey's desperation and lashing and it took me right back there, the compulsive lying and quick responses, answer for everything-
THAT was my sister then, it was explained to me that addicts very life hangs in the balance of withdrawl, they will do anything to anyone to stay high. I personally did not understand it, and still don't, but how's this for growth- I dont have to understand everything to believe in it.. I was the "Lee"
2. If anyone reading this sees themself in a situation with an addict and they are enabling them, be prepared to lose everything, possibly your loved ones, and be miserable the rest of your life if you don't let them get clean on their own they will fail.

I am very proud of my sis, and you can be proud again too if you dont help them.:blowkiss:

[kathyn2]

The real sad thing is, this family keeps believing in Casey and believing in what she says. They don't seem to realize what a pathological liar she is. I don't think she could tell the truth if her life depended on it. I bet she has been sitting in jail thinking what new story she could tell them and possibly get out of jail. Man, I have never seen such a prima donna as her. And why? She is nothing special that so many should bend over and be kicked in the rear by her including all these men. She thinks she's miss princess and she's a pain in the azz. I wouldn't spend 2 minutes of my time in life with a person like her.

[imnotheonlyone]

Yes and Pat and Frand Bourgeois are supposedly the owners of the Ovieda House and it is being called th " the Party House" Sooo why did they come to see Casey ? Did they arrange her bond ? Is she really coming home tonight ? And is Caylee really alive ?

Where did you learn of this information, please?

[Blink34]

There's a Frank Bourgeois that is/was a Detective in Florida.

I'm not certain he's the same Frank who owns the fishing boat, but both are from Forida. Looks like one went to LSU as well.

that's dad or son then

[curiositycat]

Thank You! It is so hard to keep up with everything on this case. So did they just do like a walk around? Or does anyone know if luminal was sprayed anywhere just in case for detection purposes?
Of course she will! IMHO that child was not killed in the house. If she was I don't think it was a violent murder. I think she either drowned in the pool or was overdosed with something.:mad:

[imnotheonlyone]

George said after he talked to Casey to the news that they know whereabouts Caylee is and she is alive

Where is this posted??

[Blink34]

Is there ANYTHING about this case that resembles normal? Even the first jailhouse visit is off the wall.

SO then they dont have the Oveida house in question?
AND don't be surprised if they were a plant from the family

[*~Aimee~*]

To be fair I have no personal experience with drug use, but 10 years ago my sister had a heroin addiction that nearly blew up my family.
Difference for us was that my parents did not enable her and she got clean, just finished her board cert with a nuclear med degree last month.

Not the norm I know, but I am mentioning that very personal tidbit for 2 reasons:
1. I HEARD Casey's desperation and lashing and it took me right back there, the compulsive lying and quick responses, answer for everything-
THAT was my sister then, it was explained to me that addicts very life hangs in the balance of withdrawl, they will do anything to anyone to stay high. I personally did not understand it, and still don't, but how's this for growth- I dont have to understand everything to believe in it.. I was the "Lee"
2. If anyone reading this sees themself in a situation with an addict and they are enabling them, be prepared to lose everything, possibly your loved ones, and be miserable the rest of your life if you don't let them get clean on their own they will fail.

I am very proud of my sis, and you can be proud again too if you dont help them.:blowkiss:

Aslo Just a example. I have gone for days without sleep when where I was working needed a nurse (they were short) and I did a bunch of doubles and when I got home had to deal with RL issues. So other reasons could be the cause of staying up for days. :waitasec: