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SleuthyGal
07-27-2008, 10:49 PM
I'd like to hear y'all's thoughts on the necessity of the TWO trips to the store. Not BC's version, but what you think was really going on with that? Why TWO trips?

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 10:50 PM
Maybe I did. Sorry. However, I think that while BC put a strick budget in place, I am not ready to believe that if they ran out of things he made the kids do without. Remember, the girls showed no outward signs of doing without. I guess I am holding onto the hope that those girls don't end up losing both parents.

I'm afraid they will .

Remember, they lived in a totally dysfunctional family with hate and daily discord.

They will be so much better off with Nancy's loving family.

msfittz
07-27-2008, 10:51 PM
I missed this report. It was not in the affidavits.
Where did you hear this ?

JTF
I'm trying to find the post with this info. I'm almost sure it was from one of the earlier general threads - either a post or a link.

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 10:52 PM
I'd like to hear y'all's thoughts on the necessity of the TWO trips to the store. Not BC's version, but what you think was really going on with that? Why TWO trips?

#1 was to cover why he was out after 6 am dumping her body. He had to have an alibi if a neighbor saw him leave

$2 was to add Nancy's 'call' at 6:40 am , presumably to prove she was still alive at that time.

Jaydee0158
07-27-2008, 10:52 PM
Well there is a red flag for me when it has been well documented that Nancy did the domestic chores for the household, including the shopping with her $300 / week.

Missed my point - I meant my husband... and I can assure you it is quite the opposite. That being said, he does stop by the store often if we are out of things.

SleuthyGal
07-27-2008, 10:54 PM
#1 was to cover why he was out after 6 am dumping her body. He had to have an alibi if a neighbor saw him leave

$2 was to add Nancy's 'call' at 6:40 am , presumably to prove she was still alive at that time.

See I think the fact that he made TWO trips to the store will 'trip' him up! ;-) One I guess I could buy...maybe....sort of. But TWO trips? It set off my 'hinky meter.'

Bob&Bob
07-27-2008, 10:54 PM
Without going back to the affidavit, did JA say anything in hers about calling NC the night of the party to confirm they were meeting? Anyone?

In TH MDs affadavit (#11) spoke to NC at 3:40pm Friday.
She doesn't say on what phone/phones. She does say
Friday night @3:40pm.

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 10:56 PM
See I think the fact that he made TWO trips to the store will 'trip' him up! ;-) One I guess I could buy...maybe....sort of. But TWO trips? It set off my 'hinky meter.'

Oh yes, the 2nd trip especially smells to high heaven .

Jaydee0158
07-27-2008, 10:56 PM
If he killed her by 'accident', he can probably take heart knowing he will get 2nd degree and 25 years. He will be 59 when he gets out.
Reckon Cisco would hire him back ? ...you know, MBA and all.

If he did it, and a jury says premeditated, does North Carolina have the DP?

Star12
07-27-2008, 10:58 PM
I'd like to hear y'all's thoughts on the necessity of the TWO trips to the store. Not BC's version, but what you think was really going on with that? Why TWO trips?

I think there was really only one trip to the store, but I think he realized it would be a good way to 'prove' that Nancy was still alive at that point if she called him to remind him to bring juice.

One thing, we don't know which vehicle BC used - but I think a likely scenario would be that he noticed the cell phone, and thus the idea of the call for juice was born.

One trip -- to dump the body, and the explanation was the trip(s) to the store -- which he actually made.

Remember, BC said Nancy called from home. He did not say she called from the landline.

Jaydee0158
07-27-2008, 10:59 PM
Well when you said "accidental" I was thinking on those lines too but in the way of absolutely 'losing it', grabbing her throat, not realizing his strength & her fragility, yelling at her to shut the he!! up and the next thing he knows he's killed her.

I'm picturing what you just said. Don't you imagine the girls would wake up to that kind of struggle and noise? I wonder if the girls have said anything at all about their arguing.

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 11:00 PM
I would like to know what time Brad and Nancy normally got up on a typical Saturday morning. Was it his normal habit to be up at 6 am on a Saturday ?
He said he had a tennis match at 9:30 am.

I get up at 6 or 6:30 during the week, but sleep till 8 or so on Saturday.

citygirl
07-27-2008, 11:01 PM
Have you never been short of money????? You don't know how to stretch a budget, write a check and hope that you get paid prior to that check clearing (and before I get slammed on that I realize she was not on the account and thus couldn't write a check!).

Apparently she didn't like the GAME he was playing if she's telling her friends how he's got her on a budget. She's openly told friends that she doesn't have enough to buy food for the kids. Maybe she didn't and so she told him he needed to get it.

I didn't write that clearly enough. Yes I am well aware of how to do all those things. I take offense to a husband holding the financial reins and giving his wife an allowance. Plain and simple.

momto3kids
07-27-2008, 11:02 PM
Yes, it helps me understand better. Thanks, Jilly.


Wyn....I posted about the shovel. I will be more than happy to answer your questions about the shovel.

I think someone else posted tonight about another shovel being found as well. Maybe there was more than 1 located with all the searches being done.

Jaydee0158
07-27-2008, 11:02 PM
In TH MDs affadavit (#11) spoke to NC at 3:40pm Friday.
She doesn't say on what phone/phones. She does say
Friday night @3:40pm.

Well then, who called NC at 10:30 PM?

BeBeBru
07-27-2008, 11:02 PM
Today I convinced my hubby to drive me to the area where the body was found. I think I didn't breathe the whole time I was out of the car looking at the area. I was surprised
just how close to Lilly Atkins (sp?) Road where it ends at Holly Springs Road is to the subdivision where the body was found. Lilly Atkins
Road goes into Lochmere. This is less than a 10 minute drive from BC's home to the
place where the body was found.

I would suggest that at 6:00a.m. there would be people out and about. The drive through the subdivision where the body was located takes one past many homes that
people live in. I would think that the possibility of someone seeing a car that meets the
description of the C's vehicles would be about a 3 on a scale of l-10.

Another observation, if NC would have crossed Holly Springs Road on foot, she would have only less that 1/4 mile to go into the subdivision where the body was found. I know
that this is off her regular route but just wanted to throw it out there for thought. JMO

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 11:03 PM
I didn't write that clearly enough. Yes I am well aware of how to do all those things. I take offense to a husband holding the financial reins and giving his wife an allowance. Plain and simple.

My wife would agree with you citygirl.

However, I do take offense to my wife giving me an allowance though.:)

Jaydee0158
07-27-2008, 11:05 PM
I would like to know what time Brad and Nancy normally got up on a typical Saturday morning. Was it his normal habit to be up at 6 am on a Saturday ?
He said he had a tennis match at 9:30 am.

I get up at 6 or 6:30 during the week, but sleep till 8 or so on Saturday.

When the sun comes up, my youngster is up and ready to go, eat, do. Regardless of the time she went to sleep the night before.
They have two little ones!

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 11:06 PM
Today I convinced my hubby to drive me to the area where the body was found. I think I didn't breathe the whole time I was out of the car looking at the area. I was surprised
just how close to Lilly Atkins (sp?) Road where it ends at Holly Springs Road is to the subdivision where the body was found. Lilly Atkins
Road goes into Lochmere. This is less than a 10 minute drive from BC's home to the
place where the body was found.

I would suggest that at 6:00a.m. there would be people out and about. The drive through the subdivision where the body was located takes one past many homes that
people live in. I would think that the possibility of someone seeing a car that meets the
description of the C's vehicles would be about a 3 on a scale of l-10.

Another observation, if NC would have crossed Holly Springs Road on foot, she would have only less that 1/4 mile to go into the subdivision where the body was found. I know
that this is off her regular route but just wanted to throw it out there for thought. JMO

Actually, it is 1.1 miles in the back of the subdivision.
Holly Springs road is very dangerous because of no sidewalks and is very busy. No way nancy would jog anywhere near there...imo

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 11:08 PM
When the sun comes up, my youngster is up and ready to go, eat, do. Regardless of the time she went to sleep the night before.
They have two little ones!


I would hope those girls were in bed asleep while he was out dumping a body and going to the grocery store :eek:

citygirl
07-27-2008, 11:08 PM
My wife would agree with you citygirl.

However, I do take offense to my wife giving me an allowance though.:)

Funny, I've got NO problem with that.:)

Just the Fax
07-27-2008, 11:12 PM
Did one of the girls hear a fight that night ? Did they witness their Mom's death like Cassidy Young likely did ?

The latest custody order made it clear her Grandparents are not allowed to discuss their mom's death or an circumstance of the murder.

Bob&Bob
07-27-2008, 11:20 PM
Well then, who called NC at 10:30 PM?

NC#11 post #500

Wyn
07-27-2008, 11:23 PM
Wyn....I posted about the shovel. I will be more than happy to answer your questions about the shovel.

I think someone else posted tonight about another shovel being found as well. Maybe there was more than 1 located with all the searches being done.


Jilly linked your post about the shovel for me so I went back and read it. Thanks though!

citygirl
07-27-2008, 11:23 PM
Did one of the girls hear a fight that night ? Did they witness their Mom's death like Cassidy Young likely did ?

The latest custody order made it clear her Grandparents are not allowed to discuss their mom's death or an circumstance of the murder.

How is that possible?
What do they do when the 4 year old asks questions ?
Suppose the child saw or heard something and relates that to them?
Whatever are they supposed to do ?

jilly
07-27-2008, 11:34 PM
I'm picturing what you just said. Don't you imagine the girls would wake up to that kind of struggle and noise? I wonder if the girls have said anything at all about their arguing.

I don't know. I guess it would depend on the time of nite too. At that age my kids could have slept through a train passing through their room. Such sound sleepers.
Maybe the kids did hear something though. We suspect jason young's daughter heard and had a lot to say about her Dad the nite her mother was murdered. She was 2 1/2.

lunarmodule
07-27-2008, 11:42 PM
This may be on another thread, but I think the silence of BC's family during this time is deafening! I saw the affidavit's (that Mom sounds like a really warm person, huh?) but other than that, is any of his family with him? And I seem to recall he didn't even tell them of the situation until after her body was found? That is one screwed up family IMO. I think it's odd that they aren't expressing any support publicly like they would help take care of the girls if BC got custody. Just very strange. But it points to the fact that they seem like strange people anyway. And can I just say that I think his lawyers are terrible?! If you didn't kill your wife, why come out and say nasty things about her just to get back at the inlaws. That tactic obviously didn't work...

momto3kids
07-27-2008, 11:43 PM
I understand Brad has a huge white bow tied to his mailbox. Some of the homes in the cul-de-sac have nothing showing support for NC. His white BMW is in the driveway, SUV is either in the garage or gone. I do not know which vehicle he is currently driving so I won't second guess where it is. This was as of tonight, things could change tomorrow.

This is all I could find out from a neighbor several doors down from NC...she is MUM on everything else or really doesn't know anything. I wanted so bad to ask some direct questions, but she was not kept directing away from the subject. She is a very private person and also because of her age difference she probably doesn't know anything.

mahmoo
07-28-2008, 12:00 AM
This may be on another thread, but I think the silence of BC's family during this time is deafening! I saw the affidavit's (that Mom sounds like a really warm person, huh?) but other than that, is any of his family with him?

Good point.....glad someone brought that up and I agree with the way you worded it. His mom's affadavit was the one I found the strangest out of ALL that were submitted. I was watching someone rerun footage of them yesterday and it crossed my mind that perhaps she is in the early stages of Alzheimers. I dunno.....maybe just my imagination.

Bare minimum, you'd think they would at least go public and firmly state they in no way shape or form believe their son killed his wife.

OregonMommy
07-28-2008, 12:10 AM
#1 was to cover why he was out after 6 am dumping her body. He had to have an alibi if a neighbor saw him leave

$2 was to add Nancy's 'call' at 6:40 am , presumably to prove she was still alive at that time.

Well said, Just the FAX

citygirl
07-28-2008, 12:10 AM
Good point.....glad someone brought that up and I agree with the way you worded it. His mom's affadavit was the one I found the strangest out of ALL that were submitted. I was watching someone rerun footage of them yesterday and it crossed my mind that perhaps she is in the early stages of Alzheimers. I dunno.....maybe just my imagination.

Bare minimum, you'd think they would at least go public and firmly state they in no way shape or form believe their son killed his wife.

Are there any pics of his family posted here?
Did they attend the funeral?

SleuthyGal
07-28-2008, 12:13 AM
Bare minimum, you'd think they would at least go public and firmly state they in no way shape or form believe their son killed his wife.

My parents would be the exact same way. They are very private and would never put themselves out 'there' or do any interviews or anything. They're the type to care very much what the 'neighbors' might think of them and they would not advocate for or against anything no matter what was at stake. Head in sand, fearful of everything, if you will.

The Saint
07-28-2008, 12:13 AM
the affidavits from brad and his supporters have many typos and missing words.
i would hope that the affidavits of brad's parents fell victim to bad proof-reading and that they both are better at communicating than how they appear in their affs.

i found both of his parent's affs very bizarre.

dad's:that brad never was sad or depressed

mom's: " Brad never as long as I have known him attempted suicide that I know of.
I would have known because no doctors.""

a few words are missing
i guess she has known him a long time; she gave birth to him.

The Saint
07-28-2008, 12:18 AM
I think there was really only one trip to the store, but I think he realized it would be a good way to 'prove' that Nancy was still alive at that point if she called him to remind him to bring juice.

One thing, we don't know which vehicle BC used - but I think a likely scenario would be that he noticed the cell phone, and thus the idea of the call for juice was born.

One trip -- to dump the body, and the explanation was the trip(s) to the store -- which he actually made.

Remember, BC said Nancy called from home. He did not say she called from the landline.
brad probably used her cellphone to call his to try to establish his alibi.

he'll probably find some excuse why his fingerprints are on her phone

mahmoo
07-28-2008, 12:27 AM
Are there any pics of his family posted here?
Did they attend the funeral?

I don't think there are any. I had thought about posting some on the pictures forum but was not sure if it would be appropriate. I think it would at least be nice to have several pictures of Nancy posted permanently on the picture thread though.

OregonMommy
07-28-2008, 12:56 AM
Good night for now. Thank you to all of you for some very insightful posts over the weekend. I don't post as much, but believe me - I am reading. I feel like fran and panthera and I are on the same page. Mommy of 3 and Just the Fax too. Carolinalady is waiting for the facts, which is fine. (Sorry, but I thought the laundry detergent had bleach in it!) I am one for keeping it simple, and if you really do that - I mean really - all signs point to BC as the killer. He had motive, he was the last to see her alive, he is way too defensive and trashing the mother of his children, his "story" is almost too perfect - too robotic, if you ask me. And I say it again - there is no way a SAHM who was out until midnight the night before would go for a training run at 7am if she had to be somewhere at 8, or even 9.

christine2448
07-28-2008, 01:16 AM
Please continue GENERAL discussions here. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2423759#post2423759)