The Nanny

[Tricia]

Please accept my apologies if this has been discussed. I can't find it.

The Nanny. Casey and her mother say the Nanny has Caylee. They have given the name of the Nanny to law enforcement.
Has anyone from L.E. come out and said that the Nanny doesn't exist?

I heard that L.E. did check out a lady with the same name provided by the family and that woman has no idea who Casey or Caylee are.

Any update you can provide would be appreciated.

Tricia.
PS. If LE can prove to Casey's mom that there is no "nanny" you would hope that mom would see the need to get Casey to talk to authorities.

[Ladybass0711]

Hey Tricia,

LE has confirmed taht this person doesn't exist as a nany. The name thatw as given was checked out, and the person says that she never babysat for Casey, and doesn't even know Casey.

[liljim]

By not pursuing the creation and distribution of a sketch of this "suspect", the nanny, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, the police are effectively saying that they do not think any such person with that name exists that is relevant to this case.

Remember, virtually everything else she told police that day was proven false. And now Casey claims that she cannot be completely truthful because of threats made against Caylee and the entire Anthony family.

So why should we believe that the one fact that she was truthful about that first day would have been the name of the person who supposedly had her baby, when all other facts about this person (such as where she lived and worked) were proven false?

And especially, if we are to believe that threats of harm to Caylee and the whole family were in fact made, WHY would Casey offer up the correct name of someone involved in Caylee's kidnapping? Wouldn't that be one of the most likely things to make these "kidnappers" follow through with their threats?

I would submit that the only logical conclusion is that there is no Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez involved in Caylee's disappearance.

[Leila]

According to LE, they contacted a woman by that name - Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzolas, who had signed a guest card at the Sawgrass Apartments, along with her phone number. LE showed Zenaida a picture of Casey and Caylee and Zenaida didn't recognize either of them and said she didn't babysit for Caylee.

Then, LE showed Casey a picture of Zenaida and Casey said "No, she's not the right one."

LE then proceeded to pull up others by the name of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzolas who were in the Florida DAVID (drivers license) database. Casey couldn't identify any of them as being the right Zenaida.

[christine2448]

I was asking in chat if wsers had searched this person...confirm or deny if she does in fact exist. I got side tracked and missed what if anything wsers had done about this name.

[athy]

since i live in the nc area actually 30 minutes from charlotte which was one of the places that was mentioned i did pull up a site for nannies to see if the name was listed in there. didn't find it and i'm sure there are other agencies.

[my2cents]

I work in a law office and we have a database to search for anyone, anywhere. I search Nanieda fernandez-Gonzales, with and without the hyphen, first and last name (both) and deviations of the first name (Zanny, Zenny, Zany, Zenaida, etc). Nothing came up in any state. Nothing came up under those names anyway...maybe she has a nickname?

[Truly]

One poster posited that 'Zanny the Nanny' was actually a reference to the drug Xanex. The inference was that the drug could have been given to a child to make her sleep. I will try to go back and locate the thread where this idea originated. It pretty much shocked everyone to the core.

[Truly]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2411095&postcount=504

Here it is. It came up at the end of thread # 9, and was discussed for a bit. It certainly is a sad possibility.

The general speculation about 'Zanny the Nanny' which seemed most plausible was that the mother drugged the child so she would sleep; placed her in the trunk so she would not be left alone in her carseat; partied; crashed; woke up at noon to find the child dead in the trunk of the car.

Sad, sad, sad.

[CheckDaFacts]

In all this time did we ever have a descrpition of the alleged Nanny, to pass out or to go on? The family with a retired officer in the house never even questioned this?

[lilacwine]

No... we've never heard of a sketch... LE must really feel this is BS if they didn't even do a sketch or descriptioin to see if it matched the woman they talked to.

I mean... if you accept Casey's story that the woman took her... then it would be plausible for her to deny knowing her when questioned by the police. Obviously the woman has credibility that makes this a non-issue for LE.

I did do a zaba search and yielded nothing for both last names but got some hits for Fernandez in some of the locations Casey mentioned.

Still I think the robbery that was posted earlier which involved Zenaida as a victim and the apartment issue is still very strange.

[Patience]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/22/bail_hearing_tuesday_for_mother_of_caylee_anthony. html

Is there really a babysitter named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez?

Investigators have not found anyone with that name who knows Anthony. Police say there is no proof the person exists.

[Mohabi]

well, I did a sketch but had to go looking for it. Some of us believe Zanny looks like this:



http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii98/Mohabi24/xanax_tablet1.png

[ella's mom]

On the current thread (#21) people are continuing to discuss the possibility of this woman existing. Sounds like Fox has just mentioned something in relation to a Ford Focus. One of the posters has uncovered a 26 year old Zeneida Ortiz that is 26 years old and owns a Ford Focus. You'll have to read over there to understand the whole discussion and where Ortiz comes from.

But, I still think that the possibility of this woman existing as the Nanny is pretty much zero. There is no possible way that she has babysat her child for over 2 years and no one in her family has ever seen her or met her.

I have a woman that has watched my 3 year old since she was 6 months old. When someone spends that much time with your child, they almost become a member of your family. She has been invited to my daughter's 1st and 2nd birthday's, I have framed pictures of her with my daughter on my mantle, she has met every member of my family (mom, dad, sisters, brother, in-laws, etc). And on a few occasions when my husband and I could not pick our daughter up, a family member has done so for us.

So I am just not buying this story at all. There is no way Cindy wouldn't have met her, especially when you consider how involved she was with Caylee and the fact that they lived in her home.

[winteryns]

How does a woman who didn't have a job afford a nanny?

[ella's mom]

How does a woman who didn't have a job afford a nanny?
I agree. Which goes back to there was no Nanny.

The grandmother was of the belief that Casey had a job and had a nanny, so had no reason to question it.

[winteryns]

I agree. Which goes back to there was no Nanny.

The grandmother was of the belief that Casey had a job and had a nanny, so had no reason to question it.

I do not believe there was a nanny. I am not sure I believe the mother when she said she thought Casey had a job.

[BrandyMarie]

Not that I believe the nanny story or anything but have all spelllings been searched?

Fernandas/Fernandez (or es or az) or what about FernEndaz(and all the other options for the last 2 letters)?

Gonsalas/Gonzales/Gonzalaz has just as many possiblities....

[LI_Mom]

Considering the active social life Casey had.... it's hard to believe not a single friend/acquaintance of hers was EVER with her when she dropped off or picked up Caylee from the alleged nanny.

Unless now Casey is going to claim she dropped her daughter off in front of the nanny's place & sped off before the nanny opened the door.... so nobody actually saw her. :rolleyes:

[songline]

Hi everyone,
I have a Bi-Polar daughter, and there has been much said that this little angels Mom is Bi-Polar. IF that is the case, I can only tell you that her lies are part of her sickness.
I can only tell you that she lies just to lie: it does not have to be rational.
They often operate from fear even if there is no danger. Maybe there is someone where she left her daughter often? Maybe she hung out with a bad crowd and is overwhelmed with what has happened and has no clue how to deal with it.
Her Lawyer must have terrified her even more by telling her NOT to talk.
I am not ready to send her up the river till she has an attorney she feels safe with and can talk. I am not ready to say there is no baby sitter.
I fear that unless someone comes along who does know how to deal with a Bi-Polar person really soon it may be to late.

I have a Bi Polar daughter it is hard for me to know what is really going on, she lies even if there is nothing to lie about, sometimes she tells people I am the best Mom to have, sometimes she tells them she wishes I was dead; and it all can be within 5 minutes, and no reason. It is a very complex illness and this Mom needs help and not prison. :(

[LI_Mom]

Hi everyone,
I have a Bi-Polar daughter, and there has been much said that this little angels Mom is Bi-Polar. IF that is the case, I can only tell you that her lies are part of her sickness.
I can only tell you that she lies just to lie: it does not have to be rational.
They often operate from fear even if there is no danger. Maybe there is someone where she left her daughter often? Maybe she hung out with a bad crowd and is overwhelmed with what has happened and has no clue how to deal with it.
He Lawyer must ave terrified her even more by telling her not to talk.
I am not ready to send her up the river till she has an attorney she feels safe with and can talk. I am not ready to say there is no baby sitter.
I fear that unless someone comes along who does know how to deal with a Bi-Polar person really soon it may get to be to late.

I have a Bi Polar daughter it is hard for me to know what is really going on, she lies even if there is nothing to lie about, sometimes she tells people I am the best Mom to have, sometimes she tells them she wishes I was dead; and it all can be within 5 minutes, and no reason. It is a very complex illness and this Mom needs help and not prison. :(

It bothers me that the excuse is she's afraid to talk to local authorities & is willing to talk to the FBI..... but ONLY if they'll give her immunity from any new charges.

Maybe local LE has made it clear they won't make any deals & Casey & Baez actually believe they can get the FBI to soften up? :rolleyes:

I agree with you that Casey probably needs psychiatric help BUT there's no way she's legally insane.... she needs to be held accountable for her actions.

[winteryns]

It bothers me that the excuse is she's afraid to talk to local authorities & is willing to talk to the FBI..... but ONLY if they'll give her immunity from any new charges.

Maybe local LE has made it clear they won't make any deals & Casey & Baez actually believe they can get the FBI to soften up? :rolleyes:

I agree with you that Casey probably needs psychiatric help BUT there's no way she's legally insane.... she needs to be held accountable for her actions.

The immunity thing is beyond strange to me.

[coltsgal]

The immunity thing is beyond strange to me.

It obviously shows that she is withholding information that she doesn't want to be charged with.

[LI_Mom]

The immunity thing is beyond strange to me.

The charges against her NOW are already pretty darned serious.... if they are afraid to let her talk without immunity, I hate to think of what she's waiting to tell them.

Meanwhile, LE is very patiently waiting for the forensic tests to come back & I just don't see them granting any type of immunity UNLESS they CANNOT place Caylee in her trunk.

[Salem]

I'm pretty sure LE believes there is no nanny. Casey said that she met this Zanny person through a friend of hers that also worked at Universal. Casey said that Zanny also took care of her friend's child. She gave the name, I think it was Jeff. Anyway, apparently LE checked with the guy and he has not seen Casey since she was fired 2 years ago. However, LE did not confirm whether or not this guy used Zanny the Nanny. Make of the ommission what you will.

To date, it does not appear that any of Casey's friends have met or know this Nanny. The family has never met her, although they say Casey talked about her. I'm not sure what that means, but I'm not putting much stock in it at this point.

LE has a composite of a person that may have been with Caylee at the Orlando airport. LE said they would make the composite public if the tip turned out to be creditable. That was last week sometime, and still no composite. Apparently, Casey is now saying she wants LE to make a composite of this Zanny the Nanny.

It may be interesting to compare the two sketches, however the tip from the airport says the woman Caylee was with was older. Generally, that means older than 26, which leads me to believe these two people are not the same person and indicates that if there is anything to the airport tip, Caylee is NOT with the nanny.

Listening to Casey talk to Christina on the released phone call and Casey describing how LE will not listen to her and that LE needs to check other databases - you can just hear her spinning. In my opinion, there is no truth in those statements at all. Casey heard "database" somewhere, maybe from talking to LE earlier, and took the word to spin additional BS because she thought it sounded good. My opinion only and pure speculation, but having run up against a compulsive liar before, you get a feel for how they pick up on certain words and then use them to spin. It is also my opinion that compulsive lying is a symptom of several different mental illnesses.

Anyway - there is nothing coming from LE at this point in time that indicates there may be a nanny somewhere. LE says they found about 30 by the name Casey had given and had Casey look at all the pictures and she didn't recognize any of them.

Sorry I'm not posting all the links, but I don't have time to go search them all out right now. Much of this stuff can be found in the first 10 articles or so, that came out at the very beginning.

Salem

[BrandyMarie]

I don't think her asking for immunity is all that strange.

Was is just speculation here or did LE actually say that if she was released that they'd get her on new/different charges?? I mean she does have the theft issues. So maybe the immunity was just bc if her parents posted that huge bond, what would be the point to her 'freedom' if she were to just be rearrested? I think she asked for it so that if she were released, she'd stay that way until trial.

I definitely think shes hiding a lot but I don't think that she is going to spill based on the immunity or not.

[winteryns]

I think it's strange she would even ask for immunity. I am assuming, along with LE, that she killed her daughter and is asking for immunity. I never heard of such a thing.:confused:

[BrandyMarie]

It also(very likely) could be that she's mixed up in other illegal activities and she wants to talk/point fingers but won't do so unless shes granted immunity. A lot of criminals ask for that right? The smaller ones, help find the big deal ones....

[Carrington]

I saw a description of the Nanny posted on one of the news sites this morning.
I came here thinking it was already linked, and didn't find it.
Next, I go back through my history trying to find it, and it's gone.

Here's what I remember:
26 years old
Long curly hair, (that she sometimes straightens)
140 lbs. (I think)
It did give her name, I didn't pay close attention and height. Picture was in a black box with a large question mark.

Anyone else see this information?
:waitasec:

[LI_Mom]

It also(very likely) could be that she's mixed up in other illegal activities and she wants to talk/point fingers but won't do so unless shes granted immunity. A lot of criminals ask for that right? The smaller ones, help find the big deal ones....

That's true enough.

Your 3 year old daughter is missing for over a month & most likely dead & your main concern is that you aren't prosecuted for drinking or drug offenses. :furious:

I still say what she wants immunity FOR has to be very, very awful for her lawyer to be taking this position while a child is missing.

The longer it takes LE to find Caylee's body the better the chances they won't be able to prove the cause or date of death.... is THAT what Casey & Baez are counting on? Casey gets to pretend she had nothing to do with Caylee's disappearance & blames LE for not finding her precious baby. :furious:



I don't think Casey has ANY real info to tell anybody.... she likes to pretend she does so she feels like she is in control.

[LI_Mom]

I saw a description of the Nanny posted on one of the news sites this morning.
I came here thinking it was already linked, and didn't find it.
Next, I go back through my history trying to find it, and it's gone.

Here's what I remember:
26 years old
Long curly hair, (that she sometimes straightens)
140 lbs. (I think)
It did give her name, I didn't pay close attention and height. Picture was in a black box with a large question mark.

Anyone else see this information?
:waitasec:

I saw it also... either Fox or one of the Florida news sites.

It kind of made me chuckle that LE finally got a description of this long term nanny after 2 weeks.... I mean.... Casey "investigated" Caylee's disappearance for FOUR WEEKS before she even told her family she misplaced the baby.... surely she must have told people WHO 'took' her child & what she looks like? lol

But I guess maybe Casey thought the child was roaming around all alone & giving a description of the nanny was a waste of time. :rolleyes:

[Salem]

I saw a description of the Nanny posted on one of the news sites this morning.
I came here thinking it was already linked, and didn't find it.
Next, I go back through my history trying to find it, and it's gone.

Here's what I remember:
26 years old
Long curly hair, (that she sometimes straightens)
140 lbs. (I think)
It did give her name, I didn't pay close attention and height. Picture was in a black box with a large question mark.

Anyone else see this information?
:waitasec:

I saw this also, but did not see a picture. I went back to the site were I saw it originally, and it is gone! Why would they take it down? Strange in my opinion!

Salem

[my2cents]

I have not been able to keep up with news reports on this case due to time contraints. On the description that has been mentioned here, did they list an ethnicity? I think this is really crucial, as is her legal status.

I worked in the latino community for many years when I was in Atlanta. I know for a fact that illegal immigrants could go buy social security cards with fake names and numbers. Typically they got these cards for work purposes. About once every yr or two (depending on their work status) they would go get a new one and turn it in to their employers so that the IRS/INS would not catch on to what was going on. If they didn't work (many of the latina women do not work or work getting paid under the table) they did not have to worry about it. Employers just turned their heads because they were working jobs that not too many Americans wanted--cooks, landscapers, etc.

With each SS# change, their name changed too. Seriously, they would take on the name of different ppl from time to time and they went by that name. They changed names more than I change underwear!

Maybe Zanny Nanny does exist, only she is using a fake ss# and name that is not traceable because she is not legal. I highly doubt it, but it is something to think about.

[LI_Mom]

I have not been able to keep up with news reports on this case due to time contraints. On the description that has been mentioned here, did they list an ethnicity? I think this is really crucial, as is her legal status.

I worked in the latino community for many years when I was in Atlanta. I know for a fact that illegal immigrants could go buy social security cards with fake names and numbers. Typically they got these cards for work purposes. About once every yr or two (depending on their work status) they would go get a new one and turn it in to their employers so that the IRS/INS would not catch on to what was going on. If they didn't work (many of the latina women do not work or work getting paid under the table) they did not have to worry about it. Employers just turned their heads because they were working jobs that not too many Americans wanted--cooks, landscapers, etc.

With each SS# change, their name changed too. Seriously, they would take on the name of different ppl from time to time and they went by that name. They changed names more than I change underwear!

Maybe Zanny Nanny does exist, only she is using a fake ss# and name that is not traceable because she is not legal. I highly doubt it, but it is something to think about.

Real name or fake name..... NOBODY ever saw or spoke to the person who supposedly babysat for Caylee all this time.

Nobody ever came forward & said they heard Caylee talk about this alleged babysitter either.

[my2cents]

Nobody ever came forward & said they heard Caylee talk about this alleged babysitter either.

Given all the lies that she has told to LE, it is plausible that she lied about the length of time that she knew this person, or that she only took Caylee to "Zanny's" to be babysit because she had no other option. I doubt very seriously that she was really the babysitter long term. Casey strikes me as someone who would leave her child with a complete stranger if she had no one else, just so she could go out partying.

Right now, there is no body, so every avenue has to be investigated. I personally think the child is dead, but there could still be a slight possibility that Casey dumped the poor kid off with someone that she did not know because a friend told her that this person could be trusted.

[Adrienne37]

On the call between Casey and Lee that was released last night it was pretty revealing in that he actually got Casey to mention two names that were tied in to this nanny and her. One of the names was Juliette but I can't remember the other. This is also the conversation in which she said that she had a Blackberry but she lost it saying that it either fell out of her purse or fell out of her pocket. Supposedly this Blackberry contained text messages and phone numbers from the nanny. After listening to the entirety of this tape along with the other tapes that have been released, I have no reason whatsoever to believe that a nanny ever existed. The girl is a pathological liar and obviously a very sick and demented person.

[EZRA]

Hi everyone,
I have a Bi-Polar daughter, and there has been much said that this little angels Mom is Bi-Polar. IF that is the case, I can only tell you that her lies are part of her sickness.
I can only tell you that she lies just to lie: it does not have to be rational.
They often operate from fear even if there is no danger. Maybe there is someone where she left her daughter often? Maybe she hung out with a bad crowd and is overwhelmed with what has happened and has no clue how to deal with it.
Her Lawyer must have terrified her even more by telling her NOT to talk.
I am not ready to send her up the river till she has an attorney she feels safe with and can talk. I am not ready to say there is no baby sitter.
I fear that unless someone comes along who does know how to deal with a Bi-Polar person really soon it may be to late.

I have a Bi Polar daughter it is hard for me to know what is really going on, she lies even if there is nothing to lie about, sometimes she tells people I am the best Mom to have, sometimes she tells them she wishes I was dead; and it all can be within 5 minutes, and no reason. It is a very complex illness and this Mom needs help and not prison. :(

While what you say is exactly true....I'm bi-polar and have what is called borderline personality disorder and it makes me very angry when people do horrible things and then blame them on their illness. Yes being bipolar tends to make you lie out of fear - I will agree with that BUT it in no way alters your ability to know that killing your child or doing something awful to them is WRONG....I clearly know the difference between right and wrong and had no parents to guide me. I have 5 kids and yes sometimes the illness drives me to taking a walk to regain my composure but that is that. She is laughing in some of those photos and appears to have absolutely no remorse whatsoever when I read some of her posts after Caylee has gone missing. That in and of itself shows me that something else is going on beyond a mental state and her family is trying to protect her by not giving all the facts here. If anything they all know what happened to this little girl and don't want their daughter blamed for it and I suspect that is what has happened most of her life. She does things wrong and her family bails her out so she has no idea of consequences. Only this time I think she went way to far. Just my opinion of course!

[gitana1]

As I posted on another thead, I'm pretty certain there is no such person as Zanny. Her defense attorney has access to detectives and databases and would utilize them to the utmost to find ANYTHING that could substantiate even a tiny bit of what his client is saying. He would have publicized any corrborating evidence as quick as could be as well, in order to sway the potential jury pool, secure release of his client and defend against possible future murder charges if the baby turns up dead. Any evidence such as witness statements from friends or acquaintances like Jeff, supporting phone records, etc, would help support Casey's story. Think about it: Many people here, who have much more information about this case than the public at large, are willing to consider that the nanny exists, that there may be some bizarre drug scenario, kidnapping, etc, despite what I feel is overwhelming evidence to the contrary at this point. It is very hard to believe a mother would destroy her own little child. So, a tiny bit of evidence that this Zenaida actually exists could really sway the public. It hasn't happened because, IMO, it isn't there. At this point, Baez is doing damage control. He knows he cannot afford for his client to talk or give any more info out. He probably wishes he could gag the family or keep them away from his client. And that's because all the info Casey gives is easily shown to be b.s. and that fact alone is great evidence to be used against her in the murder case that is likely looming. I could be wrong (it's happened before!!) and I desparetely hope I am, but that's what my legal background tells me.

[tidbit]

I'm a long time lurker and love reading at WS. Y'all are great! I have been reading and trying to keep with everything. What I don't know is what is the nanny's address? Physically, where did the baby supposedly get taken for daycare? Wouldn't it be easy enough to go knock on that door?

[coltsgal]

I'm a long time lurker and love reading at WS. Y'all are great! I have been reading and trying to keep with everything. What I don't know is what is the nanny's address? Physically, where did the baby supposedly get taken for daycare? Wouldn't it be easy enough to go knock on that door?


The police have done that. Apartment has been vacant for (i think) 5 months.

[tidbit]

5 months! Wow. Thanks, coltsgal.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have been back and forth on the Nanny issue. On one hand, this person could exist and others haven't met her if she were watching Caylee so her mother could party. Casey would not have allowed the sitter to contact her parents because she would not want her mother, Cindy, to know how often or how long Caylee was left. Casey was supposed to be taking care of Caylee, but could have instead been dumping her off on another person because Cindy gave her grief about being a mom and taking responsibility.

I agree with 2-Cents and brought it up long ago that she could be an illegal using a false name. One real ZG had a break-in and her laptop was stolen. However, I believe this was fairly recent and Casey contends she knew this person for a longer period of time. Research shows there are many Zenaida's across the country and we have no idea of the ones outside the country who could have "lost" their information. Tracking an illegal would be virtually impossible and the sketch then becomes crucial in an attempt to find her.

LE has taken the stance that Casey lied and won't forward the sketch to the public. They are not looking for the woman Casey claims to have her child. I think the lack of pursuing this avenue of investigation will prove to haunt them later on. If the woman happens to surface and did in fact watch Caylee, the defense has their out. The defense now claims other people did meet her and know she exists, but have offered no proof of this statement.

On the other hand...Casey could have made her up and it truly is just another lie spewing from her mouth as so many other things are untrue. Casey could have heard or read the name of the woman who blogs, for instance, as she seems known to the area. She is the one who was robbed. (Casey has also been accused of being a thief by her own mother and best friend. Did she possibly steal the laptop?)

[liljim]

on top of all the other evidence there is to suggest this person either does not exist or certainly has no connection to this case, there is one simple fact nobody has given a reasonable explanation for;

why would you give the full and correct name of the person that stole your child to the police when there have been threats made against your child and the whole family? why when you say you are forced to lie about virtually everything else would you give them the person's exact name? wouldn't that obviously be something that would upset the person or people that have threatened your child with harm?

[coltsgal]

I have a question:

The Zenaida that looked at one of the vacant apartments, we know this because of some sign in record.

Is that record visible at the main office of the apartment complex? Could Casey have seen it there and just magically pulled the name from there? We know that Casey has many connections to the Sawgrass apartments.

Nevermind though, it wouldn't explain why the family has said they've heard about her for 2 years.

[krimekat]

Casey has said that JP introduced her to Zanadia & Fox News just reported that per JP he did not know Casey well & did not introduce her to the "Nanny"

[coltsgal]

Who is JP?

All the initials we use around here is really throwing me off. It took me two days to figure out what LE was!

Maybe there should be some thread that outlines the initials used in this case. It would certainly help out us newb's.

[krimekat]

JP = Jeff Hopkins (sorry should have used an H, not P)
RM = Rick Morales

[krimekat]

added Fox News comments re: JHopkins (not JP) to Players thread

[Medea]

I have been back and forth on the Nanny issue. On one hand, this person could exist and others haven't met her if she were watching Caylee so her mother could party. Casey would not have allowed the sitter to contact her parents because she would not want her mother, Cindy, to know how often or how long Caylee was left. Casey was supposed to be taking care of Caylee, but could have instead been dumping her off on another person because Cindy gave her grief about being a mom and taking responsibility.

I agree with 2-Cents and brought it up long ago that she could be an illegal using a false name. One real ZG had a break-in and her laptop was stolen. However, I believe this was fairly recent and Casey contends she knew this person for a longer period of time. Research shows there are many Zenaida's across the country and we have no idea of the ones outside the country who could have "lost" their information. Tracking an illegal would be virtually impossible and the sketch then becomes crucial in an attempt to find her.

LE has taken the stance that Casey lied and won't forward the sketch to the public. They are not looking for the woman Casey claims to have her child. I think the lack of pursuing this avenue of investigation will prove to haunt them later on. If the woman happens to surface and did in fact watch Caylee, the defense has their out. The defense now claims other people did meet her and know she exists, but have offered no proof of this statement.

On the other hand...Casey could have made her up and it truly is just another lie spewing from her mouth as so many other things are untrue. Casey could have heard or read the name of the woman who blogs, for instance, as she seems known to the area. She is the one who was robbed. (Casey has also been accused of being a thief by her own mother and best friend. Did she possibly steal the laptop?)


It is certanly possible that the "nanny" could have been an illegal even using a false name.

But shouldn't there still be some evidence that this nanny existed beyond what Casey says?

How is it that apparenly nobody matching the description of the nanny was seen by anyone at the locations where Casey says the nanny lived?

Where is the evidence that Casey was looking for this nanny? Who did she call? Where are the phone numbers? Who were they registered with?

Is it really possible to have someone, even an illegal alien, care for your child over a long period of time and its impossible to prove this independently?

I did not know Casey had made a sketch of the nanny...if true, the police are wrong not to release it.

[LI_Mom]

There's a nanny AND a dead body in the Anthony's backyard AND in their car?

I'd be willing to believe this stealthy nanny kidnapped the baby. I might even buy that she was responsible for placing Caylee's body in the truck.

It's WAY TOO far fetched to believe this stealthy nanny would venture to Cindy's house for the first time ever.

And I don't believe she would simply return the car to Casey with her daughter's body in the trunk & that Casey would then go to her parent's house & take the child OUT of the trunk & then put her back IN the trunk to move her to yet another location.... all without bothering to mention to anybody that the nanny killed her kid.

[Nedthan Johns]

From Fox News: "Cindy Anthony testified that a woman named "Zani" had been babysitting Caylee for more than a year, but she had never met or talked with the woman because she never came to the house."

Here is something I find VERY interesting. Cindy states as well as Casey has that Zani had been babysitting Caylee for more than a year, but yet we know Casey has been unemployed. Yet in an interview Cindy states that Casey worked odd jobs here and there. Now why would a daughter with little to NO money who lives with her parents, whose father is retired have to hire a babysitter to care for her child, when she only works odd and end jobs here and there? Just how many times did this Zani babysit? Right there the parents have to know she is lying about this person.

[kljohnson0458]

I have to admit I am really intrigued by the earlier mentioning of Zanny the Nanny being Xanax. It's possibly the first theory I've heard that really really makes me think. The Ah ha moment if you will. But I have a feeling we'll be doing just this for some time :other_beatingA_Dead

[QuickAttack]

While what you say is exactly true....I'm bi-polar and have what is called borderline personality disorder and it makes me very angry when people do horrible things and then blame them on their illness.

Thanks to both of you for being so honest about living with bipolar disorder...my brother suffers from it. Lying is a part of the disease.

:(

[Medea]

From Fox News: "Cindy Anthony testified that a woman named "Zani" had been babysitting Caylee for more than a year, but she had never met or talked with the woman because she never came to the house."

Here is something I find VERY interesting. Cindy states as well as Casey has that Zani had been babysitting Caylee for more than a year, but yet we know Casey has been unemployed. Yet in an interview Cindy states that Casey worked odd jobs here and there. Now why would a daughter with little to NO money who lives with her parents, whose father is retired have to hire a babysitter to care for her child, when she only works odd and end jobs here and there? Just how many times did this Zani babysit? Right there the parents have to know she is lying about this person.

It could be that there was some kind of illegal alien/drug dealer girlfriend who was babysitting the child....but I don't think that this illegal alien/drug dealer girlfriend would STEAL the child...

But, given that Casey claimed to work at Universal to the point of taking police to show them her 'office'...she appears to be a pathological liar who may just have invented "Zanie" from whole cloth to get her mother off her back as to who was watching the child while she was out clubbing...and then when she kills her child...who better to blame it on then the imaginary babysitter she's already been talking about for a year...she may have thought this would protect her...because her mom believed the babysitter was real.

[ella's mom]

Most recent article proving that a ZG did go to Sawgrass apts in June. She was not a nanny for Caylee and has never met Caylee or Casey.

Originally Posted by Juvenile http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2468663#post2468663)
Sorry if this has already been posted...
http://www.local6.com/news/17122200/detail.html
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A woman named Zenaida Gonzalez who said she looked at an apartment where a missing girl's mother claims she left her daughter with a babysitter by the same name was located Thursday and talked exclusively with Local 6.

Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Caylee, 2, allegedly told police that she left her daughter with a sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez at Orange County's Sawgrass Apartments in June.

Thursday, Local 6 talked with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez who said she was at the Sawgrass Apartments in June and is apparently the person Casey Anthony said she left her daughter with.

[Muzikman]

WKMG exclusive, reporter finds the Zenaida that cops questioned, she says she DID go to Sawgrass on June 17.

On the 4 PM newscast right now

[Hailiejade77]

http://www.local6.com/news/17122200/detail.html

Local 6 Locates, Talks To Zenaida Gonzalez In Missing Girl Mystery
Mother Jailed In Missing Girl's Disappearance

POSTED: 1:30 pm EDT August 7, 2008
UPDATED: 3:51 pm EDT August 7, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A woman at the center of a search for a missing Orlando girl said she has never seen Caylee or the girl's mother in the latest in a national search for the child.

Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Caylee, 2, allegedly told police that she left her daughter with a sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez at Orange County's Sawgrass Apartments in June.

Thursday, Local 6 talked with Zenaida Gonzalez who said she was at the Sawgrass Apartments in June and is apparently the person Casey Anthony said she left her daughter with.


video http://www.local6.com/video/17123394/index.html
__________________

[Muzikman]

Reporter is on his way to meet her face to face, hopefully she'll go on camera for the 5 or 6 PM newscast.

[txsvicki]

I hope this interview helps someone, anyone, remember something about Casey.

[spooky_momma]

I'm going to start posting here about "Zanny" just because the general discussion thread is so fast!

I'm still considering the fact that if Casey is bipolar, or if Cindy suspected she was, there is a possibility that Cindy could've perscribed xanax to Casey, and if there was any chance that led to something happening to Caylee, that would explain why Cindy has been in such great denial.

I also find that it's not too far-fetched to assume that Casey could've forged her mom's signature on a script to get xanax for herself.

And, IIRC, Cindy had said previously that "Zanny" was in Caylee's vocab. Was Zenaida just a cover up for that? It seems convenient, esp. since Casey seems to have many friends with hispanic-sounding names.

EDIT: and, I just happened to think, if Casey was on her own, the whole "Bella Vida" thing, which IIRC can also mean a "lady of the night" might have been funding her zanny problem, if SHE had one. she had the script, but had to find a way to pay?

[TxRose]

I wonder why the phone number she gave was invalid? Maybe it was also poorly written and they dialed the wrong number. Though it may not be relevant to the case, I am curious anyway! Maybe someone will ask that question - and ask why she didn't tell LE that it was June and not April that she went to the apartments.

Boy - now it is really a mystery as to how Casey got that name.

[drumstick]

I would like to know how Casey knew this woman was at this apt. building?

Is Casey a psychic now?

:waitasec:

[brighidin]

I feel sorry for this woman. I'm assuming Casey either looked at the card with Z's info on it or else she was in the rental agent's office and overheard the name being given out, and used it.

I don't know what that rental agency is like, but at one apt, I used to live in, the rental office was in the building and there were always at least one or two other prospective tenants and/or current tenants in the office at any given time.

[Sleuthster]

Okay I listened to the news story.
Something smells fishy in Orlando and it's not Sea World.

Why did she call in and why no pic of this person anywhere. Would love to see a pic.
Also, I found it interesting that she said she cant find a job because of this, this is key. Why? Because she was looking at an apartment for rent at a complex and they verify employment.. No job no apartment.
She also said that she has kids why would she want Caylee? Well I can think of several reasons, money, drug debt, etc.

[Liz]

Brought this post over here from the general discussion thread:

For anyone who is questioning whether Zenaida is telling the truth or not, in the affidavit from one of the police officers, he states he showed a picture of Zenaida to Casey and she did not recognize the woman. That pretty much exonerates Zenaida. The only one really lying here is Casey.<snip>


Playing devil's advocate here. IF Casey was really afraid for Caylee's life as she claims to be, would she admit to recognizing 'the Zenaida' even if it was her?

And IF 'that Zenaida' was really the one to have kidnapped Caylee, would she just outright admit to it, and get immediately arrested?

(But honestly I don't believe in Zanny. She's a Phantom Nanny, imo!)

[summerthyme]

Eyewitness News learned Thursday that Caylee's so-called babysitter Zenaida Gonzales was nothing but another lie in the case. Sources close to the Anthony investigation have told Eyewitness News that, in going through all of Casey Anthony's phone call records, not one call was ever placed to someone named Zenaida Gonzalez.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17107547/detail.html

[Salem]

I don't think she called in, I think News6 called her. We shall see if we get a picture. It is interesting....... How did Casey know about her? She had to be at those apts or someone Casey KNOWS was at those apts. Has LE talked to the Rental/Leasing Employee? Did Casey know her/him? Did they give Casey the name? Is there a gardner or maintenance employee that Casey knows? Was Casey there that day? and if so, Why?

Salem

[coltsgal]

Okay I listened to the news story.
Something smells fishy in Orlando and it's not Sea World.

Why did she call in and why no pic of this person anywhere. Would love to see a pic.
Also, I found it interesting that she said she cant find a job because of this, this is key. Why? Because she was looking at an apartment for rent at a complex and they verify employment.. No job no apartment.
She also said that she has kids why would she want Caylee? Well I can think of several reasons, money, drug debt, etc.

We would love to see a pic, yes, but if I were her, I probably wouldn't want my pic posted either. There will still be people who don't believe she doesn't have Caylee, and might start harassing her.

I have kids and wouldn't want to kidnap someone else's kids either. I'll take what she says at face value. I cant assume she's in a lot of debt or into drugs by one phone conversation.

I don't think she has Caylee, and I'm not going to read too far into what she says. I think the poor girl is just trying to clear her good name by doing this. My sister in law has the same name as me (as I'm sure there are many many others in the world too) I coudln't imagine if my world was turned upside down, because of mistaken identity or an unfortunate coincidence.

[Salem]

Eyewitness News learned Thursday that Caylee's so-called babysitter Zenaida Gonzales was nothing but another lie in the case. Sources close to the Anthony investigation have told Eyewitness News that, in going through all of Casey Anthony's phone call records, not one call was ever placed to someone named Zenaida Gonzalez.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17107547/detail.html

Well something concrete finally! Did Casey really think that LE would not figure this out? What did she say.... her phone was broken but she was using the same Sims card for both phones right? So, she is definitely busted here. I thought between parties, she was trying to call ZG to get Caylee back.

Salem

[coltsgal]

Things aren't looking good if LE has verified there is NO Zenaida. :(

I mean, everyone suspected it from the start, but now that it's confirmed, it doesn't look good for Caylee. :'(

[distracted]

Did anyone notice that at the end of this interview with ZG, when asked if she had any relatives in NC, she said no but that she had relatives in Boston, NY and Puerto Rico?

http://www.local6.com/video/17124345/index.html

So, here's another reference to NY and Puerto Rico. It could, and probably is, a coincidence but it's still freaky.

[christine2448]

I do not believe there is a Nanny. Not a "Nanny"....they lived at home forever....her friends, family, would know this person..IMO..that I have scratched that from day one....there is no "Nanny of 3 yrs".

Now, babysitter, someone she may not have known very well, possible, doubtful, but possible, IMO, FWIW.

[Stander Verwoerd]

Has Cindy ever stated how long they thought there was a nanny named Zanny? I mean has Casey been telling them about this so called Nanny for a few years or is this someone they just heard about when the baby went missing? Any help, thanks.

[Spring2]

So WHO was watching this child and WHY has nobody come forward and said, I used to watch that little girl?

I am wondering if she was left alone a lot :(

[Spring2]

I'm curious. Casey said Zaneida's mom's name was Gloria. The Zaneida that talked to the news station today, what was her mother's name?

[websurfer]

Please accept my apologies if this has been discussed. I can't find it.

The Nanny. Casey and her mother say the Nanny has Caylee. They have given the name of the Nanny to law enforcement.
Has anyone from L.E. come out and said that the Nanny doesn't exist?

I heard that L.E. did check out a lady with the same name provided by the family and that woman has no idea who Casey or Caylee are.

Any update you can provide would be appreciated.

Tricia.
PS. If LE can prove to Casey's mom that there is no "nanny" you would hope that mom would see the need to get Casey to talk to authorities.


http://www.local6.com/news/17122200/detail.html

You will see the newsman interviewing the Zenaida Gonzalez who was at the Sawgrass Apartments on june 17th...
lost her ID back ion Feb-march maybe Casey found it/She lost it in ORLANDO...

[christine2448]

http://www.local6.com/news/17122200/detail.html

You will see the newsman interviewing the Zenaida Gonzalez who was at the Sawgrass Apartments on june 17th...
lost her ID back ion Feb-march maybe Casey found it/She lost it in ORLANDO...
Dang..ty.

ETA, as it sinks in...so, a lot were correct, no nanny...well not Zenaida anyways....but she DID exist.....how would we like our crow?

[websurfer]

Did anyone notice that at the end of this interview with ZG, when asked if she had any relatives in NC, she said no but that she had relatives in Boston, NY and Puerto Rico?

http://www.local6.com/video/17124345/index.html

So, here's another reference to NY and Puerto Rico. It could, and probably is, a coincidence but it's still freaky.


Who knows anything about this case but confusion now/
this lady says she is innocent.
Casey says she is also.
the thing is ZG says she was at the aprtment,she lost her ID card in Feb-March.
Casey may have been using other Ids somehow she steals her mothers card and gas..so it would not be such a stretch that she did take ZG 's Id?

[txsvicki]

Or purchased Zanaida's ID and identity from someone selling Id's.

[TxRose]

But even if she found the ID, stole it, or bought it from someone...how could she possibly have known that ZG would then, months later, go look at the Sawgrass Apartments? I think it more likely that she was that apartment complex and saw the guest card...or overheard ZG giving her name to the manager.

One thing I am still wondering is about the hyphen name. Casey said her name was Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. Is that this woman's name - hyphened like that? Or was that added by Casey?

[coltsgal]

I don't believe that the Zenaida they questioned is THE zenaida (I dont think there is a nanny). I feel bad for this woman who had her world turned upside down because of an unfortunate coincidence.

[Sleuthster]

Did anyone else hear Zenaida say in the first part of the video interview that her boyfriend used to live at sawgrass??

[LourdesQ]

I have a hard time believing this is a coincidence. The last names are very common. The first name I don't consider to be as common. And both of them together in the same name.
The fact that this lady is IN ANY WAY connected to SawGrass. Nope... forget it. That's NO COINCIDENCE to me. Casey might have not been able to recall whether the last name was Gonzales or Fernandez so she figured she would tell them both ("with a hyphen").
She either was physically there and overheard it or she got it from Sawgrass somehow.

Also.... Was the number that the interviewed Zenaida provided to the Sawgrass apt. staff on the contact card a working # then? (I thought it was said that the Sawgrass staff had tried to contact her back and the number was disconnected.
IF it was DISCONNECTED, has she been asked or has she explained at any point why she gave a phone # which was disconnected?
Was it at least an old phone # of hers? I would assume the LE got phone records for that # and looked into it. Did they? Providing a non-working # makes this Zenaida lady suspicious to me. :waitasec:

What makes anybody think that she will tell the truth about knowing Casey?
If she was in fact involved why would she admit that she knows Casey? Of course she's going to deny.
More so if she feels confident Casey will never rat her out if they are both involved. The LE and the News are presenting this as definite proof that she's not the Zenaida. That's not enough.

I must be missing somethig. Oh wait we all are, that's right.

[LourdesQ]

Did anyone else hear Zenaida say in the first part of the video interview that her boyfriend used to live at sawgrass??

I only heard that she was with her boyfriend when she was visiting all these different apt. complex places down that same road.
Again, I assume the LE verified this by going to the Apt. places that she alleges she went to.

[Chanler]

I have a hard time believing this is a coincidence. The last names are very common. The first name I don't consider to be as common. And both of them together in the same name.
The fact that this lady is IN ANY WAY connected to SawGrass. Nope... forget it. That's NO COINCIDENCE to me. Casey might have not been able to recall whether the last name was Gonzales or Fernandez so she figured she would tell them both ("with a hyphen").
She either was physically there and overheard it or she got it from Sawgrass somehow.

Also.... Was the number that the interviewed Zenaida provided to the Sawgrass apt. staff on the contact card a working # then? (I thought it was said that the Sawgrass staff had tried to contact her back and the number was disconnected.
IF it was DISCONNECTED, has she been asked or has she explained at any point why she gave a phone # which was disconnected?
Was it at least an old phone # of hers? I would assume the LE got phone records for that # and looked into it. Did they? Providing a non-working # makes this Zenaida lady suspicious to me. :waitasec:

What makes anybody think that she will tell the truth about knowing Casey?
If she was in fact involved why would she admit that she knows Casey? Of course she's going to deny.
More so if she feels confident Casey will never rat her out if they are both involved. The LE and the News are presenting this as definite proof that she's not the Zenaida. That's not enough.

I must be missing somethig. Oh wait we all are, that's right.

You bring up some interesting points. However, I think that it's possible that the follow-up call was made sometime after the original contact or perhaps at a time when the phone was temporarily inactive. (As I write this, my girlfriend's cellphone is not functioning.) Of course, Casey's story was that Z.G. lived at Sawgrass and had lived there for at least a year and a half, a far cry from a single visit to look at an apartment.

[Carrington]

Did anyone ask her about a Ford Focus?
ID card-does that mean she doesn't have a drivers license?

[LourdesQ]

You bring up some interesting points. However, I think that it's possible that the follow-up call was made sometime after the original contact or perhaps at a time when the phone was temporarily inactive. (As I write this, my girlfriend's cellphone is not functioning.) Of course, Casey's story was that Z.G. lived at Sawgrass and had lived there for at least a year and a half, a far cry from a single visit to look at an apartment.


It is one of the possible explanations. I just think that as much as they asked Zenaida they should've covered this as well. And then she lost her ID? Are we supposed to believe that would be yet another coincidence?
As it's been said, even if Casey had obtained her info this way how did Casey make the Sawgrass connection 3 months or so later? Why even mention the ID story during the interview if not to establish it as a possible explanation as to how Casey might have gotten her name?

For crying out loud... not even this "innocent" lady makes sense?

WHO would've ever fathom that a Zenaida Gonzalez would be found in any way connected to SawGrass?

LE must have requested she did not make contact with media until now. No way I believe that she waited this long to "clear her name publicly" when it had long been "cleared" by LE. And as we have all now discovered from the Search Warrant, LE was pretty quick in contacting all involved and had had a lot more info than we all suspected for a while now it seems. I'm sure they did the same with the Zenaidas. Whether she was involved or not... It seems the decision to hold off on speaking out was not so much Zenaida's as LE. Who knows? They may be now using her as bait to put pressure on and get Casey to talk.

[LinasK]

But even if she found the ID, stole it, or bought it from someone...how could she possibly have known that ZG would then, months later, go look at the Sawgrass Apartments? I think it more likely that she was that apartment complex and saw the guest card...or overheard ZG giving her name to the manager.

One thing I am still wondering is about the hyphen name. Casey said her name was Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. Is that this woman's name - hyphened like that? Or was that added by Casey?

I have a hard time believing this is a coincidence. The last names are very common. The first name I don't consider to be as common. And both of them together in the same name.
The fact that this lady is IN ANY WAY connected to SawGrass. Nope... forget it. That's NO COINCIDENCE to me. Casey might have not been able to recall whether the last name was Gonzales or Fernandez so she figured she would tell them both ("with a hyphen").
She either was physically there and overheard it or she got it from Sawgrass somehow.

Also.... Was the number that the interviewed Zenaida provided to the Sawgrass apt. staff on the contact card a working # then? (I thought it was said that the Sawgrass staff had tried to contact her back and the number was disconnected.
IF it was DISCONNECTED, has she been asked or has she explained at any point why she gave a phone # which was disconnected?
Was it at least an old phone # of hers? I would assume the LE got phone records for that # and looked into it. Did they? Providing a non-working # makes this Zenaida lady suspicious to me. :waitasec:

What makes anybody think that she will tell the truth about knowing Casey?
If she was in fact involved why would she admit that she knows Casey? Of course she's going to deny.
More so if she feels confident Casey will never rat her out if they are both involved. The LE and the News are presenting this as definite proof that she's not the Zenaida. That's not enough.

I must be missing somethig. Oh wait we all are, that's right.

One of my best friends from college (no, not an expression, for real) is Mexican, not Mexican-American. According to her, it is common for Hispanics to have two last names which they hyphenate, they use the fathers & mothers maiden names as their last names. So
Fernandez-Gonzalez doesn't surprise me.

[WindChime]

innocent peoples personal information is not to be posted.

[Cubby]

I'm not buying the ZG connection.
1) A lost id..... coincidental, nothing to demonstrate any connection.
2)Open houses, property managers showing apartments, ALWAYS ask for a tele to follow up. If ZG didn't want to be bothered or had no interest in the apartment so what if she gave a bogus tele.
3) The ONLY connection I see here, is Casey just happened to look at apartments in that complex on the same day and glanced at the name on the guest register and picked it up. NO evidence of any telephone calls between ZG's tele and any of the numbers CA used. - Honestly, we are sleuthers, tell me no one can read upside down. With CA being a compulsive liar, I have no doubts she too had the ability to read upside down.
4)I'm sure LE looked into ZG's where abouts etc. etc.... they just haven't made all that public because it's ZG's private business and not something the entire world needs to know.

jmho

[websurfer]

Wouldn't the nanny's fingerprints or DNA be on the
backpack/diaper bag?
Also any of the belongings belongong to her ?

I would think that Zanny's DNA would be on bottles/toys/anything that would have been in the diaper bag.
Food supplies like baby food jars .

I doubt any baby lotion or powder from the early days are sitting around?

But Cindy should look for some momento from Caylee's very early days to have finger printed.

I hope to hear they are doing this/or have done this soon...
no finger prints?
just Casey's or someone else's.

Either way I think this would lead to truth telling...

[websurfer]

I'm not buying the ZG connection.
1) A lost id..... coincidental, nothing to demonstrate any connection.
2)Open houses, property managers showing apartments, ALWAYS ask for a tele to follow up. If ZG didn't want to be bothered or had no interest in the apartment so what if she gave a bogus tele.
3) The ONLY connection I see here, is Casey just happened to look at apartments in that complex on the same day and glanced at the name on the guest register and picked it up. NO evidence of any telephone calls between ZG's tele and any of the numbers CA used. - Honestly, we are sleuthers, tell me no one can read upside down. With CA being a compulsive liar, I have no doubts she too had the ability to read upside down.
4)I'm sure LE looked into ZG's where abouts etc. etc.... they just haven't made all that public because it's ZG's private business and not something the entire world needs to know.

jmho


I saw the live6 local interview.
When Zenaida said she had lost her ID back in FEB-March well
it would not be hard to place Casey following her for some sort of future plan.
Either using her Id to purchase things or to use t for this sinister reason.

Remember TBK ? Not sure if that is right?
Anyway, he looked like a sweet normal guy,going
to church and turned out he was killing people and in very nasty ways.

[websurfer]

It is one of the possible explanations. I just think that as much as they asked Zenaida they should've covered this as well. And then she lost her ID? Are we supposed to believe that would be yet another coincidence?
As it's been said, even if Casey had obtained her info this way how did Casey make the Sawgrass connection 3 months or so later? Why even mention the ID story during the interview if not to establish it as a possible explanation as to how Casey might have gotten her name?

For crying out loud... not even this "innocent" lady makes sense?

WHO would've ever fathom that a Zenaida Gonzalez would be found in any way connected to SawGrass?

LE must have requested she did not make contact with media until now. No way I believe that she waited this long to "clear her name publicly" when it had long been "cleared" by LE. And as we have all now discovered from the Search Warrant, LE was pretty quick in contacting all involved and had had a lot more info than we all suspected for a while now it seems. I'm sure they did the same with the Zenaidas. Whether she was involved or not... It seems the decision to hold off on speaking out was not so much Zenaida's as LE. Who knows? They may be now using her as bait to put pressure on and get Casey to talk.


See...Casey was also looking at apartments.
She may have been keeping an eye on ZG all along?
yes,I must admit that it all ain't falling into perfect line here.
Still, we have a woman who insists she never met Casey or Caylee.
Plus I am sure the real Zg's friends will come forward and say what they know.
IF she ever babysat Caylee.
And the children would say so to somebody too.
So I think ZG needs to be left alone & considered an unfortunate
thing.

[Alyzabeth]

Isn't it possible the "real" babysitter assumed the identity of the Zaneida LE is currently interviewing, or just by coincidence made up that name?
There may be some woman watching the news right now laughing her butt off because she is so smart... steal caseys baby and let her take the rap for this whole thing.
Seriously, looking at casey's history, she isn't exactly prim and proper, so it's not difficult to get fingers pointing at her immediately.

[lviola]

I have a hard time believing this is a coincidence. The last names are very common. The first name I don't consider to be as common. And both of them together in the same name.
The fact that this lady is IN ANY WAY connected to SawGrass. Nope... forget it. That's NO COINCIDENCE to me. Casey might have not been able to recall whether the last name was Gonzales or Fernandez so she figured she would tell them both ("with a hyphen").
She either was physically there and overheard it or she got it from Sawgrass somehow.

Also.... Was the number that the interviewed Zenaida provided to the Sawgrass apt. staff on the contact card a working # then? (I thought it was said that the Sawgrass staff had tried to contact her back and the number was disconnected.
IF it was DISCONNECTED, has she been asked or has she explained at any point why she gave a phone # which was disconnected?
Was it at least an old phone # of hers? I would assume the LE got phone records for that # and looked into it. Did they? Providing a non-working # makes this Zenaida lady suspicious to me. :waitasec:

What makes anybody think that she will tell the truth about knowing Casey?
If she was in fact involved why would she admit that she knows Casey? Of course she's going to deny.
More so if she feels confident Casey will never rat her out if they are both involved. The LE and the News are presenting this as definite proof that she's not the Zenaida. That's not enough.

I must be missing somethig. Oh wait we all are, that's right.

I must agree. When I watched the interview last night the first thing I thought was why is she laughing? Maybe nerves but I do agree, her phone number need to be checked out. She would not admit to knowing Casey and Caylee.

[MistyGirl]

I have a hard time believing this is a coincidence. The last names are very common. The first name I don't consider to be as common. And both of them together in the same name.
The fact that this lady is IN ANY WAY connected to SawGrass. Nope... forget it. That's NO COINCIDENCE to me. Casey might have not been able to recall whether the last name was Gonzales or Fernandez so she figured she would tell them both ("with a hyphen").
She either was physically there and overheard it or she got it from Sawgrass somehow.

Also.... Was the number that the interviewed Zenaida provided to the Sawgrass apt. staff on the contact card a working # then? (I thought it was said that the Sawgrass staff had tried to contact her back and the number was disconnected.
IF it was DISCONNECTED, has she been asked or has she explained at any point why she gave a phone # which was disconnected?
Was it at least an old phone # of hers? I would assume the LE got phone records for that # and looked into it. Did they? Providing a non-working # makes this Zenaida lady suspicious to me. :waitasec:

What makes anybody think that she will tell the truth about knowing Casey?
If she was in fact involved why would she admit that she knows Casey? Of course she's going to deny.
More so if she feels confident Casey will never rat her out if they are both involved. The LE and the News are presenting this as definite proof that she's not the Zenaida. That's not enough.

I must be missing somethig. Oh wait we all are, that's right.

Great points!!! I feel the same way. The fact the LE found a ZG who was at the Sawgrass apartments & we know she was based on the card that was filled out is just no COINCIDENCE. Casey was either there that day droping Caylee off at someone else apartment to watch her & she over heard the name and is truley fearful that Caylee maybe harmed and so she gave the ZG name beause she had jsut heard it.

What still gets me though is if Cindy is NOT lying and she had heard Casey talk about this "Zanny" person prior then my above theroy doesn't work.

Please nobody get on me and yes I feel for this woman who is been brought into this but what I want to knwo is HOW has LE ruled her out???? Is it just because she has said "Nope I have never seen Casey or Caylee before." I mean if she "is" invovled I don't think she would say "Oh yeah I know them, I baby sat for her etc.".....I don't know it;s jsut to weird to me that Casey said she dropped her off at Sawgrass Apartment & keft her with a ZG....now if Cindy was lying to the media saying She talked about a Zanny just because she felt her daughter was being accused and was trying to deflect that well then it's a possiblity that Casey was there at those apartments dropped Caylee of with someone else & over heard/saw the card with the name.

Grrrrr this whole thing drives me crazy I just wish we would find Caylee safe & know the truth.

[lviola]

Great points!!! I feel the same way. The fact the LE found a ZG who was at the Sawgrass apartments & we know she was based on the card that was filled out is just no COINCIDENCE. Casey was either there that day droping Caylee off at someone else apartment to watch her & she over heard the name and is truley fearful that Caylee maybe harmed and so she gave the ZG name beause she had jsut heard it.

What still gets me though is if Cindy is NOT lying and she had heard Casey talk about this "Zanny" person prior then my above theroy doesn't work.

Please nobody get on me and yes I feel for this woman who is been brought into this but what I want to knwo is HOW has LE ruled her out???? Is it just because she has said "Nope I have never seen Casey or Caylee before." I mean if she "is" invovled I don't think she would say "Oh yeah I know them, I baby sat for her etc.".....I don't know it;s jsut to weird to me that Casey said she dropped her off at Sawgrass Apartment & keft her with a ZG....now if Cindy was lying to the media saying She talked about a Zanny just because she felt her daughter was being accused and was trying to deflect that well then it's a possiblity that Casey was there at those apartments dropped Caylee of with someone else & over heard/saw the card with the name.

Grrrrr this whole thing drives me crazy I just wish we would find Caylee safe & know the truth.

Something else to add, didn't LE say the signature on the card was hard to read? If it was hard for them to decipher, how did Casey? And why not show ZG's face during the interview? This case has me bonkers ...

[TxRose]

Something else to add, didn't LE say the signature on the card was hard to read? If it was hard for them to decipher, how did Casey? And why not show ZG's face during the interview? This case has me bonkers ...

I thought I remembered hearing that the apt. manager (or someone in the office) actually wrote the info on the card. Not ZG. So if she was giving the info out loud, it would be possible to overhear.

I think this woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I wouldn't want my face plastered all over the news either. I have to assume she is being assaulted by all kinds of media on this. I would do the same thing. I am sure LE has sufficient ways to rule her out. And remember - Casey saw her picture and said she didn't recognize her!

Also - has Cindy ever said she heard the name Zenaida Gonzalez...or did she just say Zanny?

[coltsgal]

I'm not buying the ZG connection.
1) A lost id..... coincidental, nothing to demonstrate any connection.
2)Open houses, property managers showing apartments, ALWAYS ask for a tele to follow up. If ZG didn't want to be bothered or had no interest in the apartment so what if she gave a bogus tele.
3) The ONLY connection I see here, is Casey just happened to look at apartments in that complex on the same day and glanced at the name on the guest register and picked it up. NO evidence of any telephone calls between ZG's tele and any of the numbers CA used. - Honestly, we are sleuthers, tell me no one can read upside down. With CA being a compulsive liar, I have no doubts she too had the ability to read upside down.
4)I'm sure LE looked into ZG's where abouts etc. etc.... they just haven't made all that public because it's ZG's private business and not something the entire world needs to know.

jmho

Couldn't have said it better myself! :clap::clap::clap:

[Rebound]

I have to admit I am really intrigued by the earlier mentioning of Zanny the Nanny being Xanax. It's possibly the first theory I've heard that really really makes me think. The Ah ha moment if you will. But I have a feeling we'll be doing just this for some time :other_beatingA_Dead

I think you are right. I can imagine this: "Take your Zanny honey"

"Mommy am I gonna see Zanny today?"

"I don't wanna see Zanny"

Casey telling people Zanny was the nanny--"oh, she's with her nanny"

I think she'd think that was amusing, to fool people like that.

But Caylee's talking more, GM asking--it's getting complicated.

Can't imagine how she found the real ZG, but...
She might have been lucky enough to find the id, and say "Wow, that's amazing!"

Cindy: Who is Zanny, anyway? Casey (in that exasperated tone): ZG, Mom, Okay? You're always on my case...blah, blah, more complaints.

[TxRose]

Did Cindy ever say Casey referred to "the nanny" as Zenaida Gonzalez before all this mess came to light? Or did she just say "Zanny"?

[Squishified]

Did Cindy ever say Casey referred to "the nanny" as Zenaida Gonzalez before all this mess came to light? Or did she just say "Zanny"?

I have been wondering this myself.........:confused:

[believe09]

CARLOS PADILLA, ORANGE COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF: We believe she has no involvement. I think that - - we don't know exactly how it is that her name, it was a coincidence or -- but we don't think that she's involved at all. This is from the Greta interview last night-we need to leave this poor woman alone!!

[coltsgal]

ITA, believe!!

LE knows waaaaaaaay more than we do. If they have cleared her, I think we should too. I'm sure they investigated her more than we can imagine, and Casey somehow got this woman's name, through no fault of ZG.

They probably didn't post a pic of her, because she's probably being hounded enough by just having her name.

[christine2448]

We are NOT going to tear ZG's life apart any more then it has been! By no fault of her own her life has been turned upside down by Casey and this whole situation. LE was clear that she has been FULLY investigated.

SHE HAS BEEN CLEARED. SHE HAS BEEN VICTIMIZED ENOUGH.

The only discussion we want to see about her is how did Casey get that name..use her intials, call her Nanny, whichever. This is about Casey and her lies and finding this child!

There will be no warning...Time outs will be given if her name is brought up in any other context.




CARLOS PADILLA, ORANGE COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF: We believe she has no involvement. I think that - - we don't know exactly how it is that her name, it was a coincidence or -- but we don't think that she's involved at all.

[TxRose]

I don't think she had anything to do with this at all. I don't think most people think she did. Heck - even Cindy and Jose say it was not this Zenaida. LOL. I don't believe there ever was a Zenaida connected to Casey or Caylee.

I am just wondering when the name first came to light. With Casey when she was arrested...or did she use that name prior to all this mess? Does anyone know?