Caylee Anthony 2 year old #20 General Discussion

[Ladybass0711]

Please continue here!

[Mohabi]

thanks, Ladybass :)

[curiositycat]

thank you Lady!

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Lady!

While I know it is tempting to discuss unusual religious practices...we can all see where that got us recently. I am definitely going to stay away from that topic here altogether!!

[liltigress]

I don't get why the Anthonys didn't come out while everyone was there for this vigil? Why wait until the 2 churches left?

I have goosebumps from that vigil chant. That's something I have never experienced before.

[curiositycat]

It irritates me that Cindy constantly feels as if she has got to "run the show". Turning the vigil into bad mouthing LE is going to get her no where! It could backfire on her. She still may be charged with obstruction of justice.

[ketel0ne]

Thanks, Lady!

While I know it is tempting to discuss unusual religious practices...we can all see where that got us recently. I am definitely going to stay away from that topic here altogether!!

While I wholeheartedly agree. I think that religion and beliefs are about to become front and center for the Anthony's. Their faith may be all they have left.

[Ladybass0711]

thanks, lady!

While i know it is tempting to discuss unusual religious practices...we can all see where that got us recently. I am definitely going to stay away from that topic here altogether!!


Me TOO!

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, new members!! If you are new and you have not familiarized yourself with the forum, please do! We have a lot of information on various threads compiled and waiting on your comments.

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Also, please be familiar with this one in particular (for the older members, too):

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[CheckDaFacts]

Thanks, Lady!

While I know it is tempting to discuss unusual religious practices...we can all see where that got us recently. I am definitely going to stay away from that topic here altogether!!


:):):):):):):):):):) lil indians

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL Check...we got into that on the OK Girls' thread. Another topic I am staying away from! :)

[curiositycat]

Thanks, Lady!

While I know it is tempting to discuss unusual religious practices...we can all see where that got us recently. I am definitely going to stay away from that topic here altogether!!
I agree SS. I had such a weird "vibe" about that and some of the other aspects of this case.
In so many ways it has sort-of an "evil" feel around it that I have not experienced in some of the other cases.
Such EVIL. Blatant EVIL.

[SeriouslySearching]

The only evil I am hearing here is seething from Casey's mouth between clenched teeth.

[liltigress]

I sensed a lack of emotion... something, I can't put my finger on. I think about that being my family and I know there would be so many heartfelt people around, holding on to each other for comfort.

Maybe that is what I sense, a lack of comfort.

[ketel0ne]

I agree SS. I had such a weird "vibe" about that and some of the other aspects of this case.
In so many ways it has sort-of an "evil" feel around it that I have not experienced in some of the other cases.
Such EVIL. Blatant EVIL.

Evil or at least a blatant disregard for morals, values and ethics that are normal to the rest of us.

[curiositycat]

I sensed a lack of emotion... something, I can't put my finger on. I think about that being my family and I know there would be so many heartfelt people around, holding on to each other for comfort.

Maybe that is what I sense, a lack of comfort.

Exactly. I think of myself as a strong person. I have been through a lot but I would be so much more emotional under those circumstances. That's a good way to put it. Like in a way "It's every man and woman for themselves" :confused:

[curiositycat]

Evil or at least a blatant disregard for morals, values and ethics that are normal to the rest of us.
Yes, exactly and the attitude they have that "Doesn't every one think this way?"
:confused::confused::confused:

[CheckDaFacts]

Well owls I can no longer hang, may I ask of one of you for the video's link your referencing. I have been out hutin buffalo.

I don't mind if you say find it yourself. I'm too tired to be quarrelsome, angry or offended. ZZZZZZ

[liltigress]

Exactly. I think of myself as a strong person. I have been through a lot but I would be so much more emotional under those circumstances. That's a good way to put it. Like in a way "It's every man and woman for themselves" :confused:

Yes. The vigil video isn't much to go on, but it seems impersonal? Maybe there is a dark cloud hanging over that home, possibly with the rest of the public thinking what we are all thinking, even their close friends and family.

Impersonal would be the word I was thinking...

[curiositycat]

Well owls I can no longer hang, may I ask of one of you for the video's link your referencing. I have been out hutin buffalo.

I don't mind if you say find it yourself. I'm too tired to be quarrelsome, angry or offended. ZZZZZZ

Don't worry about it tonight Check. Hutin buffalo can make anyone tired!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[CheckDaFacts]

Evil or at least a blatant disregard for morals, values and ethics that are normal to the rest of us.

That explains Casey

[Ladybass0711]

Originally Posted by kathyn2 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2423483#post2423483)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.2.1 (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7075347&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

check out that newest video

[ketel0ne]

Yes, exactly and the attitude they have that "Doesn't every one think this way?"
:confused::confused::confused:

Where I come from we live by the motto "We all have to live with the decisions we make"

Those decisons are based on our morals and ethics.

[curiositycat]

Yes. The vigil video isn't much to go on, but it seems impersonal? Maybe there is a dark cloud hanging over that home, possibly with the rest of the public thinking what we are all thinking, even their close friends and family.

Impersonal would be the word I was thinking... It reminds me of dysfunction family 101. They are a tight unit with a bunch of secrets. I wonder why we don't see other members of their family gathering around them. You know, uncles, aunts, grandparents, ect??? :confused:

[CheckDaFacts]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:Wher e I come from we live by the motto "We all have to live with the decisions we make"

Those decisons are based on our morals and ethics.

[ebrich]

has it been discussed that george anthony isnt wearing a wedding ring...
If you look at the video "mom appears before judge" on the right hand side under the list of videos. At 3:20 in the video you see his hand.. no wedding ring?
http://www.local6.com/news/17007926/detail.html

[curiositycat]

Where I come from we live by the motto "We all have to live with the decisions we make"

Those decisons are based on our morals and ethics. Right, and these people would rather blame the Orlando Sheriffs department than themselves or their daughter.

[SuziQ]

It reminds me of dysfunction family 101. They are a tight unit with a bunch of secrets. I wonder why we don't see other members of their family gathering around them. You know, uncles, aunts, grandparents, ect??? :confused:

Why aren't they standing next to George handing out flyers? Were they at the vigil? Maybe they have been around and they end up on the editing room floor. Usually they don't though.

[CheckDaFacts]

originally posted by kathyn2 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2423483#post2423483)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...y&pageid=3.2.1 (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/news/detail?contentid=7075347&version=1&locale=en-us&layoutcode=vsty&pageid=3.2.1)

check out that newest video

some things are best left to marches.
:):):):):):):):):):)

[curiositycat]

I haven't seen anyone that remotely looks like extended family. I noticed that George is mostly alone with the flyers thing, though Cindy was there today as we have discussed.

[liltigress]

some things are best left to marches.
:):):):):):):):):):)

Eh...

[ketel0ne]

I haven't seen anyone that remotely looks like extended family. I noticed that George is mostly alone with the flyers thing, though Cindy was there today as we have discussed.

George said yesterday the circle of people trying to figure this out is a triangle of him, cindy and lee.

[curiositycat]

Cindy better be careful what she wishes for. If the FBI comes in they have people that are specifically trained for psychological warfare...LOL

[liltigress]

I just want to jump up and down screaming:

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

But I know better.

[Ladybass0711]

As far as I knwo the FBI is involved

[curiositycat]

My mama raised me better than that too liltigress, but I am with you!!

[bluedevil21]

I sensed a lack of emotion... something, I can't put my finger on. I think about that being my family and I know there would be so many heartfelt people around, holding on to each other for comfort.

Maybe that is what I sense, a lack of comfort.

i didnt even watch this creepfest, as you all are making it sound (god, im laughing...); but i think that the word you are looking for here is "staged."

everything they are doing now, it is for show. they are waging this public battle against the press, the police, and a magical disappearing arguably alcoholic kidnapping nanny that disconnects her phone lines like its her other day job, who may or may not be located in florida, new york, or north carolina, and who could potentially attack the anthony home if further provoked with casey's WMD, better known as words.

they unrealistically and unreasonably expect "supporters" to buy into their home-grown BS. for example, the poor grandfather handed out 50,000 flyers. useless flyers without any pertinent information. they have spoken to any and every media outlet that will give them time.

even in a situation as horrible as this one, its difficult to connect with any emotions when the family is shoving them down your throat.

[ketel0ne]

When does Cindy come out and say she regrets calling 911? I am thinking after the interview with Casey is released.

[curiositycat]

If the forensics turn out to be human DNA, and if the luminol showed blood, ect. they don't need the FBI. Thinking back to the detective and the K-9 officer they had on the stand during the Bond hearing, they seemed very CONFIDENT of what they had.

[liltigress]

So no extended family that we can see. Cindy didn't call her brothers and tell them about Caylee missing, waiting on them to hear it on the news?

I would like to see or hear a recorded interview with them.

DisFUNKshunALL - is that a word?

[liltigress]

i didnt even watch this creepfest, as you all are making it sound (god, im laughing...); but i think that the word you are looking for here is "staged."

everything they are doing now, it is for show. they are waging this public battle against the press, the police, and a magical disappearing arguably alcoholic kidnapping nanny that disconnects her phone lines like its her other day job, who may or may not be located in florida, new york, or north carolina, and who could potentially attack the anthony home if further provoked with casey's WMD, better known as words.

they unrealistically and unreasonably expect "supporters" to buy into their home-grown BS. for example, the poor grandfather handed out 50,000 flyers. useless flyers without any pertinent information. they have spoken to any and every media outlet that will give them time.

even in a situation as horrible as this one, its difficult to connect with any emotions when the family is shoving them down your throat.

Oh no, that's not acceptable. LOL..
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...y&pageid=3.2.1
You should have to experience this one for yourself, don't just accept my word for it. :blowkiss:

[curiositycat]

When does Cindy come out and say she regrets calling 911? I am thinking after the interview with Casey is released. I have been waiting for this one too. One thing I have learned when working as a victim's advocate you sure as HECK don't want the LE ticked off with you, because bottom line you "outcome" is in their hands. They are on dangerous ground if you ask me. It sounds like THEY are spoiling for a lawsuit. I don't think there would be a judge in the state that would side with them. They need to ZIP it.

[SeriouslySearching]

When does Cindy come out and say she regrets calling 911? I am thinking after the interview with Casey is released.Funny, I think I hear it every time she says that Casey is innocent, it was pizza, or that her daughter deserves to be set free on bail. Then again, I guess I could be imagining things.

[ketel0ne]

So no extended family that we can see. Cindy didn't call her brothers and tell them about Caylee missing, waiting on them to hear it on the news?

I would like to see or hear a recorded interview with them.

DisFUNKshunALL - is that a word?

Is this word association...DisFUNKshunALL.....first word that comes to mind whack?

Looks like a word to me.

[TravelingBug]

according to casey, she had been nannying (new word, use it today) for one and a half to two years, but casey had been friends with her for 4 years before that. casey has known zanny the nanny since she was about 16. yet, in those wonderful six years, no one, not her family, not any friend, no one met her??

Even if we accepted the completely absurd odds that there's Zanny Nanny that NO ONE else has met or seem to have really heard of, IF that were true, it seems to still result in two improbable scenarios that point back to it just doesn't seem it could possibly add up.

IF Caylee were really with a nanny as much (1 1/2 years as claimed), then CAYLEE should have inevitably at least have mentioned her to Cindy. I mean, if "nanny" had watched Caylee along the way, there had to be days when if Cindy asked her about her day, Caylee would have mentioned who she was with (if it wasn't her mom). And if Caylee weren't talking about her (on her own or prompted) by name, and was vague, surely Cindy would have asked her mom who Caylee was with. Heck, if Caylee was with her that much, a "normal" person would at least "slip" and mention things about someone they (or their family member) interacted with to multiple people in normal conversation over that time frame.

If the Casey were to claim Caylee being with the nanny was supposedly new (despite not being new to Casey from her version of events) then if suddenly Caylee's with "the nanny" all the time, wouldn't her friends ask questions or happen to be with Casey when the nanny "arrived" or Caylee was left with her, at least once...yet the nanny is unknown to them it seems also. It would seem normal friends would ask if there's suddenly some big change in the routine.

Personally neither of those scenarios do anything but make it seem all the more absurd, even if I tried to "buy" Casey's Zanny/Nanny story (not that I do).

[imnotheonlyone]

why would it be discussed?

liljim, it's apparent that this may not be the crowd you are seeking to discuss this case with. For whatever reason, you insist on arguing...trying to bait others in to an argument - we are here to discuss CAYLEE and this case. PLEASE, stop.

[curiositycat]

Even if we accepted the completely absurd odds that there's Zanny Nanny that NO ONE else has met or seem to have really heard of, IF that were true, it seems to still result in two improbable scenarios that point back to it just doesn't seem it could possibly add up.

IF Caylee were really with a nanny as much (1 1/2 years as claimed), then CAYLEE should have inevitably at least have mentioned her to Cindy. I mean, if "nanny" had watched Caylee along the way, there had to be days when if Cindy asked her about her day, Caylee would have mentioned who she was with (if it wasn't her mom). And if Caylee weren't talking about her (on her own or prompted) by name, and was vague, surely Cindy would have asked her mom who Caylee was with. Heck, if Caylee was with her that much, a "normal" person would at least "slip" and mention things about someone they (or their family member) interacted with to multiple people in normal conversation over that time frame.

If the Casey were to claim Caylee being with the nanny was supposedly new (despite not being new to Casey from her version of events) then if suddenly Caylee's with "the nanny" all the time, wouldn't her friends ask questions or happen to be with Casey when the nanny "arrived" or Caylee was left with her, at least once...yet the nanny is unknown to them it seems also. It would seem normal friends would ask if there's suddenly some big change in the routine.

Personally neither of those scenarios do anything but make it seem all the more absurd, even if I tried to "buy" Casey's Zanny/Nanny story (not that I do).
WElCOME Traveling! Truer words were never spoken! :clap:

[txsvicki]

When does Cindy come out and say she regrets calling 911? I am thinking after the interview with Casey is released.

I don't understand why Cindy doesn't see that Zanny doesn't exist if she's been told that she does for several years but has never met the woman. Now she knows that Casey always told friends that Caylee was with a nanny that doesn't exist. I'm assuming the the nanny story was even before Caylee went missing. If so, Casey must have told her friends that due to grandiose delusions or shame that she left her child with grandma while she went out partying.

[SuziQ]

Oh no, that's not acceptable. LOL..
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...y&pageid=3.2.1
You should have to experience this one for yourself, don't just accept my word for it. :blowkiss:

Oh no, the page is temporarily unavailable.

[ketel0ne]

Funny, I think I hear it every time she says that Casey is innocent, it was pizza, or that her daughter deserves to be set free on bail. Then again, I guess I could be imagining things.

The shift has been slow but with the silent treatment they attempted today "blame the media". Now the chanting about the sheriff's office, it has to be close.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...y&pageid=3.2.1
You should have to experience this one for yourself, don't just accept my word for it. :blowkiss:Oh, My! :X Thanks for the experience and you were right.

[bluedevil21]

Oh no, that's not acceptable. LOL..
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...y&pageid=3.2.1
You should have to experience this one for yourself, don't just accept my word for it. :blowkiss:

This page is temporarily unavailable. Please check back later.

WHAT WHY??? NOOOO. I WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THE CREEPINESS WITH MY CYBER BFFS.

[curiositycat]

I don't understand why Cindy doesn't see that Zanny doesn't exist if she's been told that she does for several years but has never met the woman. Now she knows that Casey always told friends that Caylee was with a nanny that doesn't exist. I'm assuming the the nanny story was even before Caylee went missing. If so, Casey must have told her friends that due to grandiose delusions or shame that she left her child with grandma while she went out partying.
She saw it from the moment she picked up the phone and said "It smells as if there has been a dead body in the **** car."
It's all about "protect my daughter" she is all I have left." One other thing that has crossed my mind is that there may be a family secret that they are afraid that Casey will tell. I have no idea what it is, though.:waitasec:

[curiositycat]

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WHAT WHY??? NOOOO. I WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THE CREEPINESS WITH MY CYBER BFFS.
Oh, how sweet. I am finally a BFF. ROFL:blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

It is an unusual move for LE to release a video of an interview. It probably has more to do with her manner than her words, imo. Can't wait to see it!

[SeriouslySearching]

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WHAT WHY??? NOOOO. I WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THE CREEPINESS WITH MY CYBER BFFS.Just go to the front page and then click on the video from there. It is still up. :) (Sorry, didn't save the link.)

[SuziQ]

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WHAT WHY??? NOOOO. I WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THE CREEPINESS WITH MY CYBER BFFS.

Weird. It appears it's been pulled of the front page of fox orlando. And I don't see it anywhere on their site now.

ETA: It's back now. Or maybe I'm going blind.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7075347&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[truecrime]

It irritates me that Cindy constantly feels as if she has got to "run the show". Turning the vigil into bad mouthing LE is going to get her no where! It could backfire on her. She still may be charged with obstruction of justice.
Did't the coming out go well?

[curiositycat]

The shift has been slow but with the silent treatment they attempted today "blame the media". Now the chanting about the sheriff's office, it has to be close.
Don't forget Cindy has blamed us "the public" also. I saw her once say she didn't care if the public thought she was a B****! We should all be ashamed of ourselves and start looking for Caylee.:crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

She saw it from the moment she picked up the phone and said "It smells as if there has been a dead body in the **** car."
It's all about "protect my daughter" she is all I have left." One other thing that has crossed my mind is that there may be a family secret that they are afraid that Casey will tell. I have no idea what it is, though.:waitasec:That crossed my mind early on.

[liltigress]

Oh no, the page is temporarily unavailable.

Oh, My! :X Thanks for the experience and you were right.

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WHAT WHY??? NOOOO. I WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THE CREEPINESS WITH MY CYBER BFFS.

Is this where we should be feeling paranoid that we're being watched?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7075347&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[RR0004]

Ok...I finally found what I was asking about before...I shouldn't have called it "trial" though...I wanted to know how long they have to respond with "charging documents"...the prosecutor has 30 days from the date of the arrest to file...but if he hasn't filed by the 21st day, Casey's attorney can ask for her to be released on her own recognizance or to hold an "adversary preliminary hearing". Then the state would have to produce evidence showing probable cause for the charges. So I'm thinking the 21st day is right around the corner and Casey could have very few days left in jail. I guess the max she could stay in jail without "charging documents" is 40 days. Well, I certainly think they have enough for the felony charge to stick. If the crime becomes more serious, then they go for an indictment.

[SeriouslySearching]

Don't forget Cindy has blamed us "the public" also. I saw her once say she didn't care if the public thought she was a B****! We should all be ashamed of ourselves and start looking for Caylee.:crazy:Wow! Good thing she doesn't care if we think that, huh?! :rolleyes:

[liljim]

liljim, it's apparent that this may not be the crowd you are seeking to discuss this case with. For whatever reason, you insist on arguing...trying to bait others in to an argument - we are here to discuss CAYLEE and this case. PLEASE, stop.

oh im sorry i asked a legitimate question. please, like the others, if my angle on the discussion of this case disturbs you so much please put me on ignore or report my posts to moderators, im sure they will handle it.

i didnt try to bait anyone into anything, i asked a perfectly legitimate question as to why whether the grandfather wears a wedding ring or not is pertinent to this case.

how the heck did you get so worked up over me simply asking "why would it be discussed?"... what is so inflammatory about that question?

PLEASE, stop... criticizing me for legitimate questions and put me on ignore if you cant handle conflicting opinions and debate.

[curiositycat]

Weird. It appears it's been pulled of the front page of fox orlando. And I don't see it anywhere on their site now.
HOLY MOLY!! Who would have threatened a lawsuit over that??? Or is this case making me "extra" paranoid???:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

[imnotheonlyone]

oh im sorry i asked a legitimate question. please, like the others, if my angle on the discussion of this case disturbs you so much please put me on ignore or report my posts to moderators, im sure they will handle it.

i didnt try to bait anyone into anything, i asked a perfectly legitimate question as to why whether or not the grandfather wears a wedding ring is pertinent to this case.

how the heck did you get so worked up over me simply asking "why would it be discussed?"... what is so inflammatory about that question?

PLEASE, stop... criticizing me for legitimate questions and put me on ignore if you cant handle conflicting opinions and debate.

Gladly!

[bluedevil21]

She saw it from the moment she picked up the phone and said "It smells as if there has been a dead body in the **** car."
It's all about "protect my daughter" she is all I have left." One other thing that has crossed my mind is that there may be a family secret that they are afraid that Casey will tell. I have no idea what it is, though.:waitasec:

yes, i totally agree. i think she is also hoping that if she whines long enough, someone will come out of the woodwork and be like, jesus lady, here is your f-ing granddaughter back. please go back to solely tormenting your own family.

lets keep our fingers crossed...

in all honesty, i dont think she knows what to do. i think she is desperately clinging to something, anything at this point. to let go now would mean accepting that her granddaughter is never coming home. and to do, she has to inger that her daughter is a murderer. so really, not pleasant any way you look at it.

[curiositycat]

yes, i totally agree. i think she is also hoping that if she whines long enough, someone will come out of the woodwork and be like, jesus lady, here is your f-ing granddaughter back. please go back to solely tormenting your own family.

lets keep our fingers crossed...

in all honesty, i dont think she knows what to do. i think she is desperately clinging to something, anything at this point. to let go now would mean accepting that her granddaughter is never coming home. and to do, she has to inger that her daughter is a murderer. so really, not pleasant any way you look at it.
I love my daughter with every fiber of my being...but if she was involved in something like this I think I would not act like this. I would tell my daughter "Tell me the truth, and quit the BS..how stupid do you think I am??":furious:

[SuziQ]

HOLY MOLY!! Who would have threatened a lawsuit over that??? Or is this case making me "extra" paranoid???:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

It's back up. Or maybe it never left. lol. Traffic may have bogged it down. I was afraid they were gonna edit it or something.

[Ladybass0711]

It's back up. Or maybe it never left. lol. Traffic may have bogged it down. I was afraid they were gonna edit it or something.

Someone should save it just in case??

[SeriouslySearching]

On the vigil video, Cindy should have been a bit more gracious, in my honest opinion. When asked if she was surprised about the two churches coming out, her reply was so flat and matter of fact...almost like they owed her to be there. "No, I am not surprised. This is what this is all about. The community coming together to find this little girl.", she said.

Would have been a good time for her to have at least pretended she was grateful! Sheesh! I guess she will be really surprised when no one else shows up next time!

[curiositycat]

It's back up. Or maybe it never left. lol. Traffic may have bogged it down. I was afraid they were gonna edit it or something.
I noticed that. Are you sure they didn't edit it? :confused:

[TravelingBug]

Casey's words on the phone call with Christine the other day that others have highlighted struck me, as well. About is she telling the whole truth and Casey asks something about, "That I don't know where my daughter is? Yes" or however exactly it was phrased (I know what struck me was her being specific that THAT was what she was being completely truthful about ~ whether that's an inadvertent admission that might be the only truthful thing or not we obviously don't know)

Then there's also been a lot of discussion about Casey very specifically saying Caylee was missing for 31 days (then how that does/doesn't fit with the original and later dates) and about the fact that the Zanny name rolled right off her tongue.

The latter two struck me as almost very rehearsed. She was so nonchalant in the call and didn't hesitate on those two details. While it might be because they are both true (that it'd been 31 days and that Zanny is really known to her) I almost wondered if she'd been practicing with someone. Perhaps a someone who might have also been involved, thus opening the door for the possibility that she might NOT know where Caylee is now (as in someone else perhaps did something with what I'd guess are her remains, not Caylee still alive, unfortunately).

Sure she could have practiced on her own, but the odd emphasis in that conversation with Christine have me thinking through whether Casey was being truthful about that one little morsel or if it's another lie. Oh and I do think there may be a real Zanny, though I doubt she's ever been Caylee's nanny. I think it could be stolen ID or someone Casey (or associates) know and were on the outs with or something, and that was why Casey used a name, knowing eventually she'd HAVE to come up with a story to SOMEONE about where Caylee was...but that she practiced that in advance...just whether that was alone or with someone who may have had other roles, as well.

[curiositycat]

On the vigil video, Cindy should have been a bit more gracious, in my honest opinion. When asked if she was surprised about the two churches coming out, her reply was so flat and matter of fact...almost like they owed her to be there. "No, I am not surprised. This is what this is all about. The community coming together to find this little girl.", she said.

Would have been a good time for her to have at least pretended she was grateful! Sheesh! I guess she will be really surprised when no one else shows up next time!
The apple has not fallen far from that tree IMHO:rolleyes:

[SeriouslySearching]

I just watched it! They didn't pull it: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7075347&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[liltigress]

I love my daughter with every fiber of my being...but if she was involved in something like this I think I would not act like this. I would tell my daughter "Tell me the truth, and quit the BS..how stupid do you think I am??":furious:

I believe I would be clinging to my friends and family, and hoping the madness will stop and bring closure.

Their denial is only going to extend the pain and prolong the healing process.

This being said with the assumption that Caylee isn't with us anymore. :(

[curiositycat]

I just watched it! They didn't pull it: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7075347&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1
Has you seen it before? Did they edit it? Someone of us who did should go in and make sure.:)

[SuziQ]

I noticed that. Are you sure they didn't edit it? :confused:

I watched it again. It doesn't appear to be edited. One thing I noticed the second time around is that the breastfeeding remarking lady is now titled neighbor Holly. Maybe she called and complained for not getting credit and they had to fix it. lol.

The one thing that irks me is it sounds like the chant began as bring Caylee home. They Cindy loudly changes it to OC police bring Caylee home. Everyone kinda stutters to catch up.

[SeriouslySearching]

I love my daughter with every fiber of my being...but if she was involved in something like this I think I would not act like this. I would tell my daughter "Tell me the truth, and quit the BS..how stupid do you think I am??":furious:Exactly...I would say the same thing...while holding the waterboarding stuff and setting it up. They can wait until afterwards to arrest me for Assault and Battery on my child. :furious:

[Truly]

Don't forget Cindy has blamed us "the public" also. I saw her once say she didn't care if the public thought she was a B****! We should all be ashamed of ourselves and start looking for Caylee.:crazy:
Well, since she is the one who brought it up...and considering the cuss-words Casey throws at her mom...I have wondered if 'the nanny' did take Caylee not to the beach...but to the Beeo*ch. Meaning Cindy had her at the time of her disappearance? Cindy is the last person documented to have been with Caylee, per the Fathers Day video, correct? Plus Casey saying 'What do you mean, Mom, you don't know my involvement...', and Cindy just smirkily going into 'Sweetie...'

Just My Random Opinion, changing daily along with the facts of this case.

[TravelingBug]

WElCOME Traveling! Truer words were never spoken! :clap:


Thanks, CCat. I've been trying to join this board for awhile and kept not being able to, but Chico was finally able to rescue me so I can jump in! :woohoo: I used to mod crime boards for years, but haven't been involved in them for awhile now...not glad to be back in this sort of crime 'community' for this reason, but am because as long as this sort of thing is going to happen, I appreciate the discussion and 'sleuthing' along the way with other great folks! :)

[DianeB]

She saw it from the moment she picked up the phone and said "It smells as if there has been a dead body in the **** car."
It's all about "protect my daughter" she is all I have left." One other thing that has crossed my mind is that there may be a family secret that they are afraid that Casey will tell. I have no idea what it is, though.:waitasec:I don't know about a family secret, but Casey's daily whereabouts for the last 18 mos when Caylee was allegedly with the "nanny" is apparently a big secret.

I just re-read one of the initial news articles about this case. The owner of the Fusian ultralounge, Bruce Lam, said that since June, Casey was at the club "almost every Friday night".

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/news/conway/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,2486087.story

I wonder which Friday she missed?

[bluedevil21]

let me preface this by saying i am not really religious.

but i am not sure, exactly, maybe one of you can tell me, where in the bible it says taunting the lord with breast feeding and chanting in the rain that the sheriff's department sucks is the path to eternal truth.

ohhh wait a minute, i found it.

it's right after the chapter that says dead bodies turn into maggoty pizza and finally evolve into a crazy smelling squirrel-rodent. which is right before the story on how satan came to earth in the form of an invisible nanny*****, snatching children and self-respect throughout the holy land.

(that was a special video. this was like 1-800-rent-a-cult, we do birthday parties too!!)

[curiositycat]

I am thinking that if I was LE I would love to see Cindy sit in jail for awhile. How can you bring a child home when she is not missing? When she has been taking by a figment of someone's imagination? I stick with my two theories on Zanny the Nanny. She either got her name from the book about the Starbuck twins, and their nanny named Zanny. OR she used Xanax to knock the kid out one too many times.

[Leila]

Yes. The vigil video isn't much to go on, but it seems impersonal? Maybe there is a dark cloud hanging over that home, possibly with the rest of the public thinking what we are all thinking, even their close friends and family.

Impersonal would be the word I was thinking...

I saw the video of the prayer vigil and was struck by how few people were there after the two church groups left and the Anthonys came out. Where are all their friends and neighbors? Where is the extended family? We know that Cindy's father is in an assisted living home, but I remember mention that Cindy's mother is alive and close by. She's Caylee's great-grandmother. Where are George and Cindy's brothers and sisters?

According to reports, the Anthonys have lived in that house and neighborhood since 1989. Where is everyone?

[drip~drop]

Oh no, the page is temporarily unavailable.

Oh...ok, I thought maybe my puter was acting up.


I can just imagine tho. Look who we are watching.

[Ladybass0711]

I watched it again. It doesn't appear to be edited. One thing I noticed the second time around is that the breastfeeding remarking lady is now titled neighbor Holly. Maybe she called and complained for not getting credit and they had to fix it. lol.

The one thing that irks me is it sounds like the chant began as bring Caylee home. They Cindy loudly changes it to OC police bring Caylee home. Everyone kinda stutters to catch up.


Yep Cindy definitly changes it. Noticed that too

[DianeB]

Casey's words on the phone call with Christine the other day that others have highlighted struck me, as well. About is she telling the whole truth and Casey asks something about, "That I don't know where my daughter is? Yes" or however exactly it was phrased (I know what struck me was her being specific that THAT was what she was being completely truthful about ~ whether that's an inadvertent admission that might be the only truthful thing or not we obviously don't know)If that poor baby wound up in a dumpster somewhere, Casey would technically be telling the truth in saying she doesn't know where her daughter is, sickening as that sounds.

[curiositycat]

let me preface this by saying i am not really religious.

but i am not sure, exactly, maybe one of you can tell me, where in the bible it says taunting the lord with breast feeding and chanting in the rain that the sheriff's department sucks is the path to eternal truth.

ohhh wait a minute, i found it.

it's right after the chapter that says dead bodies turn into maggoty pizza and finally evolve into a crazy smelling squirrel-rodent. which is right before the story on how satan came to earth in the form of an invisible nanny*****, snatching children and self-respect throughout the holy land.

(that was a special video. this was like 1-800-rent-a-cult, we do birthday parties too!!)
Well, please do not think by my silence that I disagree with you. I have been told we should not discuss religion on the forum and I will abide by the rules, now that I am aware of them.:silenced::innocent:

[ketel0ne]

I saw the video of the prayer vigil and was struck by how few people were there after the two church groups left and the Anthonys came out. Where are all their friends and neighbors? Where is the extended family? We know that Cindy's father is in an assisted living home, but I remember mention that Cindy's mother is alive and close by. She's Caylee's great-grandmother. Where are George and Cindy's brothers and sisters?

According to reports, the Anthonys have lived in that house and neighborhood since 1989. Where is everyone?

It was raining?

[curiositycat]

If that poor baby wound up in a dumpster somewhere, Casey would technically be telling the truth in saying she doesn't know where her daughter is, sickening as that sounds.
WHOA. Diane I thought the same thing when I heard the way she said that to her friend on the tape!:eek:

[Leila]

I haven't seen anyone that remotely looks like extended family. I noticed that George is mostly alone with the flyers thing, though Cindy was there today as we have discussed.

There was one video of George handing out flyers and a woman identified as Casey's aunt was helping him. In that video George said that earlier a motorcyclist raced by and had shouted some unkind things.

[curiositycat]

I saw the video of the prayer vigil and was struck by how few people were there after the two church groups left and the Anthonys came out. Where are all their friends and neighbors? Where is the extended family? We know that Cindy's father is in an assisted living home, but I remember mention that Cindy's mother is alive and close by. She's Caylee's great-grandmother. Where are George and Cindy's brothers and sisters?

According to reports, the Anthonys have lived in that house and neighborhood since 1989. Where is everyone?

Yes, I agree. These people seem to be the type of people that all the neighbors would rather avoid. They seem to be a "self-contained" unit. It's them against the world.:rolleyes:

[bluedevil21]

Well, please do not think by my silence that I disagree with you. I have been told we should not discuss religion on the forum and I will abide by the rules, now that I am aware of them

i didnt know either, and i'm sorry. i think there is a difference, though, between criticizing someone's religion (which i would never do) and analyzing a political stunt draped in religion as the anthony's have done tonight.

that is only my opinion and i truly mean no offense by it.

[liltigress]

let me preface this by saying i am not really religious.

but i am not sure, exactly, maybe one of you can tell me, where in the bible it says taunting the lord with breast feeding and chanting in the rain that the sheriff's department sucks is the path to eternal truth.

ohhh wait a minute, i found it.

it's right after the chapter that says dead bodies turn into maggoty pizza and finally evolve into a crazy smelling squirrel-rodent. which is right before the story on how satan came to earth in the form of an invisible nanny*****, snatching children and self-respect throughout the holy land.

(that was a special video. this was like 1-800-rent-a-cult, we do birthday parties too!!)

:whistle:

I saw the video of the prayer vigil and was struck by how few people were there after the two church groups left and the Anthonys came out. Where are all their friends and neighbors? Where is the extended family? We know that Cindy's father is in an assisted living home, but I remember mention that Cindy's mother is alive and close by. She's Caylee's great-grandmother. Where are George and Cindy's brothers and sisters?

According to reports, the Anthonys have lived in that house and neighborhood since 1989. Where is everyone?

I wonder now if they have any friends at all and if there are so many deep family problems that they don't associate with each other. Sure looks as though Casey was trying to break free from them also.

[Ladybass0711]

Well, please do not think by my silence that I disagree with you. I have been told we should not discuss religion on the forum and I will abide by the rules, now that I am aware of them.:silenced::innocent:


Its not a rule to not discuss religion, but just prevents posts from getting out of control...

[feddup]

So no extended family that we can see. Cindy didn't call her brothers and tell them about Caylee missing, waiting on them to hear it on the news?

I would like to see or hear a recorded interview with them.

DisFUNKshunALL - is that a word?

it all depends on what kind of family you have. I know lots who have fam members they dont speak to on a regular basis. I am not close to either of my brothers. To be honest, if I were in this ordeal, I have friends who I feel like family that I would call. One brother, I wouldnt call at all.
yes, I guess we are dysfunctional but we dont get to pick out families.
It does sound like Cindy s close to her Mother and she goes and visits her Father at Nursing Home.
I dont know where Geoges family is. My husband is around same age and he had very little family left, just one brother who lives out of State.
What Im thinking is, Cindy gets th brunt of taking care of elderly parents and maybe her bro lives out of State and she might be resentful. I know people who are in same situation.
I am just surprised that people in orlando havent volunteered to do a massive search of the area to try and find Caylee:confused: its great that theyve put up myspace thing but doing an area search on area is better IMO.

[ketel0ne]

I would like to say my views of how the family has handled this and how Casey is treated and allowed to interact with LE with her families support and their media encouragment is out of concern that Caylee really is alive. But the only way to bring that child home is to be forthright and to give everything you have to the investigators. The facts of the case will lead you to the child and any one involved, any attempt to control that flow or impede the information is putting something even if unknown ahead of the child. My beliefs of what happened do not affect my opinion that the behavior here in this case is not what we have seen in hundreds of cases. Nor does what I think change they way I believe all families should interact with LE when a child is missing.

[TravelingBug]

If that poor baby wound up in a dumpster somewhere, Casey would technically be telling the truth in saying she doesn't know where her daughter is, sickening as that sounds.

Aside from someone else being involved (particularly in the possible doing something with her remains) I thought about the dumpster when she made that comment also. Water would be another place that could be true, as well :-(

[drip~drop]

HOLY MOLY!! Who would have threatened a lawsuit over that??? Or is this case making me "extra" paranoid???:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

Paranoid?......................paranoid?

Come sit with me in the corner and wait for auntie atti van to help us understand all this, esp zanny nanny.:eek:

[liltigress]

it all depends on what kind of family you have. I know lots who have fam members they dont speak to on a regular basis. I am not close to either of my brothers. To be honest, if I were in this ordeal, I have friends who I feel like family that I would call. One brother, I wouldnt call at all.
yes, I guess we are dysfunctional but we dont get to pick out families.
It does sound like Cindy s close to her Mother and she goes and visits her Father at Nursing Home.
I dont know where Geoges family is. My husband is around same age and he had very little family left, just one brother who lives out of State.
What Im thinking is, Cindy gets th brunt of taking care of elderly parents and maybe her bro lives out of State and she might be resentful. I know people who are in same situation.
I am just surprised that people in orlando havent volunteered to do a massive search of the area to try and find Caylee:confused: its great that theyve put up myspace thing but doing an area search on area is better IMO.

I can see your point. I have a very close (and rather large extended) family and we would and have comforted each other in times of need, so to me, this behavior is strange. That's not to say it is wrong or right, just different than me.

[DianeB]

Friends, co-workers, neighbors - it doesn't seem as if George and Cindy are getting a lot of support, but maybe they prefer to keep to themselves.

What about all of Casey's friends? Why aren't any of her multitude of buds and pals and BFF's participating in the search for Caylee? What do they know that we don't know?

[snarkymalarkey]

http://a781.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/43/m_5d15687473810c6bdf935aedd18ec12c.jpg

http://a481.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/66/l_6a1d73cb604703f683523e21bb62f858.jpg

I'm just going to throw this out here before i go to bed.
This may have been tossed out there in one of the many threads.
But I"m wondering if maybe Casey was getting into event promoting/go-go dancing i.e. gogoorlando.com , they have a myspace page too or maybe part of the 'Whats Hot Live Crew'.
I'm simply tossing this out there as an idea, based on the photos above.
SHe's on the platform with another dancer, and then maybe that is why she is getting her photos taken with other patrons/djs/entertainers.

Just speculating

[drip~drop]

I just watched it! They didn't pull it: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7075347&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Thanks, I'll try again.
:)

[babycat]

liljim, it's apparent that this may not be the crowd you are seeking to discuss this case with. For whatever reason, you insist on arguing...trying to bait others in to an argument - we are here to discuss CAYLEE and this case. PLEASE, stop.

I don't want to overstep my bounds here, but I don't think that poster is trying to cause arguments. They're just coming at this from a different angle. They happen to think it isn't relevant to the case/finding Caylee. No worries:)

I think I might come off that way in my posts, too...I don't want anyone to think that I'm picking apart their posts when I reply...I just think it's important to see a case from all angles, and I'm always hoping for others to dissect my posts, too, because I tend to miss a lot of good points (Like the one Blue Devil made earlier!)

I think it's important to get as many thoughts together as possible before you reach a conclusion...even if those are posts aren't posts I agree with.

So I don't think it is personal. No worries:blowkiss:

[SuziQ]

I found out a little while ago I have to get up in about 4 hours. So I won't say goodnight, I'll just say be right back. lol.

[feddup]

I can see your point. I have a very close (and rather large extended) family and we would and have comforted each other in times of need, so to me, this behavior is strange. That's not to say it is wrong or right, just different than me.

You are so lucky!

[babycat]

Gladly!


Oops...sorry...wouldn't have brought it up if I knew you were putting him on ignore.

sorry...shoulda kept my mouth shut;)

[JulieAnne]

I have been reading this forum off and on for years. I am addicted to this case.

I keep trying to invent a different ending - some believable scenario other than the obvious.

Has anyone heard anything from the shovel loaning neighbor about the date? Middle of June is a little vague.

I never saw the news regarding her being on a suicide watch. A Dr would have had to clear her if that was the case...

I believe that after the (obviously pre-buried) dirt covered object was put in the trunk that the car did not travel far. Even a sociopath would have to be feeling a little sick and the smell would have been strong.

I would also be interested in finding out when the last service was done on the vehicle. Did they write down the mileage? It could potentially be helpful?

I hope I am wrong but I am betting there is water at the end of this story. Susan Smith, Scott Peterson - it's as though the really big liars think water will just clean up their messes...

[Blink34]

Why aren't they standing next to George handing out flyers? Were they at the vigil? Maybe they have been around and they end up on the editing room floor. Usually they don't though.

Suz- to date, that I am aware of, there is NOT a single extended family member that has come forward from either Cindy or George supporting Casey or this family- I find that truly bizarre. We've checked, we know they are out there.

[Mohabi]

Well, since she is the one who brought it up...and considering the cuss-words Casey throws at her mom...I have wondered if 'the nanny' did take Caylee not to the beach...but to the Beeo*ch. Meaning Cindy had her at the time of her disappearance? Cindy is the last person documented to have been with Caylee, per the Fathers Day video, correct? Plus Casey saying 'What do you mean, Mom, you don't know my involvement...', and Cindy just smirkily going into 'Sweetie...'

Just My Random Opinion, changing daily along with the facts of this case.

Truly..... I'm glad you posted this because it crossed my mind a couple of days ago. I don't want to be unfair to the Gma but everything about her makes my skin crawl.

[curiositycat]

Welcome Julie Ann!

[liltigress]

Sleuthers, here's a job for anyone interested. By the pictures with Casey and her "friend" dancing, I decided to look into the photographer, Teddy Pieper and came up with this:

http://theaudition.buzznet.com/user/photos/orlando-fl-photo-credit-teddy/?id=29037811

There are a couple of links I pulled from there that I'm looking at now. One in particular http://www.whatshotlive.com

Just wanted to throw something else in the pot to see if anyone feels like digging. There may be nothing to it, but it looks like the same atmosphere as we've been seeing.

[txsvicki]

I have been reading this forum off and on for years. I am addicted to this case.

I keep trying to invent a different ending - some believable scenario other than the obvious.

Has anyone heard anything from the shovel loaning neighbor about the date? Middle of June is a little vague.

I never saw the news regarding her being on a suicide watch. A Dr would have had to clear her if that was the case...

I believe that after the (obviously pre-buried) dirt covered object was put in the trunk that the car did not travel far. Even a sociopath would have to be feeling a little sick and the smell would have been strong.

I would also be interested in finding out when the last service was done on the vehicle. Did they write down the mileage? It could potentially be helpful?

I hope I am wrong but I am betting there is water at the end of this story. Susan Smith, Scott Peterson - it's as though the really big liars think water will just clean up their messes...


I saw digging up bamboo as the reason for borrowing the shovel. I wonder if it was really dug up and what was done with it. Bamboo could provide a cover in the dumpster or dumped in some area or even be replanted over a body.

[Blink34]

On the vigil video, Cindy should have been a bit more gracious, in my honest opinion. When asked if she was surprised about the two churches coming out, her reply was so flat and matter of fact...almost like they owed her to be there. "No, I am not surprised. This is what this is all about. The community coming together to find this little girl.", she said.

Would have been a good time for her to have at least pretended she was grateful! Sheesh! I guess she will be really surprised when no one else shows up next time!


Gotta say from a psych perpective- I have not heard Cindy mention Caylee's actual name in days. If you note, she calls her my grandaughter, our little girl, this little girl, ect. I know that Le and the FBI encourages family to mention the missing childs name as often as humanly possible in any Media releases or events. I personally fee that is a sign that she knows she may know longer be with us, and is beginning that disconnect, grief to follow.

[curiositycat]

I think it's strange that Cindy doesn't have any work friends around her. Even if your family isn't near by you usually have friends at work, or neighbors.

[Leila]

yes, i totally agree. i think she is also hoping that if she whines long enough, someone will come out of the woodwork and be like, jesus lady, here is your f-ing granddaughter back. please go back to solely tormenting your own family.

lets keep our fingers crossed...

in all honesty, i dont think she knows what to do. i think she is desperately clinging to something, anything at this point. to let go now would mean accepting that her granddaughter is never coming home. and to do, she has to inger that her daughter is a murderer. so really, not pleasant any way you look at it.

No, not pleasant, but if Caylee is deceased, Cindy is going to have to eventually accept the fact that her granddaughter is dead and that her daughter, the child's mother, was involved.

I think we're seeing another Jackie Peterson in the making.

[ketel0ne]

I saw digging up bamboo as the reason for borrowing the shovel. I wonder if it was really dug up and what was done with it. Bamboo could provide a cover in the dumpster or dumped in some area or even be replanted over a body.

Any story with the shovel and bamboo is discounted by Casey's own story. Why would she need a shovel for bamboo after the nanny left with the kid?

[Truly]

i didnt even watch this creepfest, as you all are making it sound (god, im laughing...); but i think that the word you are looking for here is "staged."

everything they are doing now, it is for show. they are waging this public battle against the press, the police, and a magical disappearing arguably alcoholic kidnapping nanny that disconnects her phone lines like its her other day job, who may or may not be located in florida, new york, or north carolina, and who could potentially attack the anthony home if further provoked with casey's WMD, better known as words.

they unrealistically and unreasonably expect "supporters" to buy into their home-grown BS. for example, the poor grandfather handed out 50,000 flyers. useless flyers without any pertinent information. they have spoken to any and every media outlet that will give them time.

even in a situation as horrible as this one, its difficult to connect with any emotions when the family is shoving them down your throat.
'Staged' is actually one word which could explain this whole entire thing. Someone earlier (lol, might have been you!), said it seemed like a pilot for a new live-reality version of Where in the World is Carmen San Diego. All of the characters are over-the-top unbelievable. Nothing at all strikes me as real. Everything changes minute-to-minute, except those things which need to change, like the actual date of her disappearance. Every new thing which comes out has maximum shock value. The whole case is a hurricane of confusion and contradictory logic.

The only thing that holds me back from believing in this strange hunch, is the photo of this little girl, who deserves to be located. That and the dogs. Plus, I don't think anybody could make this stuff up. But it sure is odd.

[maconrich]

I believe I would be clinging to my friends and family, and hoping the madness will stop and bring closure.

Their denial is only going to extend the pain and prolong the healing process.

This being said with the assumption that Caylee isn't with us anymore. :(

Perhaps denial will slow down the healing process (ok it most likely *will*) but if that's what it takes for them to maintain their sanity right now, I can understand it.

No, it doesn't make some of the comments sound any better and it most likely isn't making a lot of people as sympathetic toward them as they might otherwise be. And in some ways it's not helping the investigation (as in them believing Casey's neverending stories).

But when my dad was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer, I can honestly say (now) that I was in denial the entire 16 months -- from the day he was diagnosed until he passed away in December. Not denial that he *had* lung cancer, but denial that he wouldn't beat it. I grieved each and every day when I was *alone*, and I'm still grieving. But I'm not sure how (or if) I'd been able to get thru the meetings with the doctors, trying to keep my dad's, mom's and son's spirits up, researching everything to understand the chemo, etc if I *hadn't* been in denial!

When George spoke on Sunday it broke my heart. I can relate to what he said and that he *has* to hang onto hope. And I'd guess that Cindy is doing the same thing -- but her personality seems to be a bit abrasive and she's showing it differently (and isn't evoking sympathetic feelings).

Sadly, however, it seems they're going to have to face facts -- if indeed Caylee is gone - and if she is alive then who's body did the dogs pick up on?!?.

I don't know if they'll do as the judge on Geraldo said and try to protect Casey more if they know they've lost Caylee, but right now I don't believe that's what they're doing (even if that judge does). Just watching George's expressions and body language and hearing his voice - well that's not the impression I got. For me it seems clear he is hoping against hope that they'll find Caylee alive and bring her home.

Just my two cents being tossed into the wind...

[curiositycat]

Gotta say from a psych perpective- I have not heard Cindy mention Caylee's actual name in days. If you note, she calls her my grandaughter, our little girl, this little girl, ect. I know that Le and the FBI encourages family to mention the missing childs name as often as humanly possible in any Media releases or events. I personally fee that is a sign that she knows she may know longer be with us, and is beginning that disconnect, grief to follow.
She knows! I am sure of it. She is just in protect my daughter mode now. Her body language at and after the vigil. The rocking movement when she was photographed under the tent on the phone earlier today. To me that denoted that she was either conflicted in her feelings or she wanted someone to "comfort/rock" her.

[curiositycat]

Macon, I understand about denial! I have to agree with you that it happens quite often, but in this case she would serve herself and her granddaughter better in telling her daughter to cut out the BS and tell them the truth.

[DianeB]

Sleuthers, here's a job for anyone interested. By the pictures with Casey and her "friend" dancing, I decided to look into the photographer, Teddy Pieper and came up with this:

http://theaudition.buzznet.com/user/photos/orlando-fl-photo-credit-teddy/?id=29037811

There are a couple of links I pulled from there that I'm looking at now. One in particular http://www.whatshotlive.com

Just wanted to throw something else in the pot to see if anyone feels like digging. There may be nothing to it, but it looks like the same atmosphere as we've been seeing.According to the review of Fusian published in 2007, Daring disco dolls shake their stuff on the lighted platform. I guess anyone can get up there and shake their booty, should they be so inclined (don't look at me, my booty wobbles!).

http://orlando.citysearch.com/profile/45891782/orlando_fl/fusian_ultra_lounge.html#profile

[bluedevil21]

http://www.revolutionentertainment.net/photos/

same photographer. three nights of fusian. amongst others...

[liltigress]

Macon, I do agree with that. It seems to me that Cindy may be distancing herself right now from everyone? At first, I saw her abrasive attitude, but it looked to be more like an outcry as to why no one is believing in her daughter.

Like I'd said, there is no telling what all is being said around that town. I think someone said earlier it was reported that a motorcycle drove by shouting obscenities. It must be horrid.

[Truly]

Sleuthers, here's a job for anyone interested. By the pictures with Casey and her "friend" dancing, I decided to look into the photographer, Teddy Pieper and came up with this:

http://theaudition.buzznet.com/user/photos/orlando-fl-photo-credit-teddy/?id=29037811

There are a couple of links I pulled from there that I'm looking at now. One in particular http://www.whatshotlive.com

Just wanted to throw something else in the pot to see if anyone feels like digging. There may be nothing to it, but it looks like the same atmosphere as we've been seeing.
Somebody posted his albums last night, I believe, it was spelled TedE? It might have been busylady? There was a photo of Casey all clinging onto TonE in a booth at a fancy club. The rest of his photo albums were BMX bike stunt competitions.

ETA, sorry, I'm skeered to open pages that might be strippers. What does this Teddy photograph? Thanks

[kathyn2]

I have written a couple of times about how strange I find it that the people in Orlando or in the community there have not volunteered to do organized searches. During the Van Dam case here there was much support and volunteers, led by the dad were out searching for a couple of weeks. A big professional search team came here too from out of state. And the Van Dams had alot of negative publicity about themselves to boot so it wasn't like they were squeaky clean. Many people accused the dad of doing something. Are the people of Orlando just weird and have no sympathy or what?? I find this community odd. The search volunteers actually found Danielle too. They went inch by inch in this huge vast expanse of a community and they found here. Big grocery stores and companies donated food and water. There was a huge effort and they didn't know if they were looking for a live child or a dead child but they searched. I feel sorry for the Anthony's that people are so disinterested there. I do think they are afraid of what they will find tho.

[Angelray]

can you dig up bamboo, and replant it? Like for a marker for something

[Blink34]

She knows! I am sure of it. She is just in protect my daughter mode now. Her body language at and after the vigil. The rocking movement when she was photographed under the tent on the phone earlier today. To me that denoted that she was either conflicted in her feelings or she wanted someone to "comfort/rock" her.

I think the meeting w/ Baez and LE Fri eve yielded: Caylee is dead, we have her hair and DNA in the car. Pending further tests and as we begin to plan our search strategy for her remains, please inform your Client that unless she confesses immediately, she is playing beat the clock wih our efforts to find a body. Once we do, she is going to death row if she does not help us. No deals. I think the Anthony's know she is dead, but still cling to belief if was at another's hands.
They can and they will proceed w/out a body if Caylee's Dna is in that car, specifically blood evidence or decomp fluids, but I think like most of us, they are committed to finding her if they can.

You know I have not been able to do much but work on this case since it happened and I just want to say I'm so sorry Caylee and I wish I couold do more.:blowkiss:

[txsvicki]

can you dig up bamboo, and replant it? Like for a marker for something

I've read that you can. That's what I was asking. Could Casey have really dug up some bamboo when she borrowed the shovel. I'm sure LE checked into everything though.

[RR0004]

I love my daughter with every fiber of my being...but if she was involved in something like this I think I would not act like this. I would tell my daughter "Tell me the truth, and quit the BS..how stupid do you think I am??":furious:
ITA...when will the family realize that Casey is inflicting this torment on them? Not the media, not LE, not the public, and certainly not us. Their own daughter is responsible. The Anthony's having nothing to prove IMO, but they should stop laying blame...look where it's gotten their daughter.

[Blink34]

I have written a couple of times about how strange I find it that the people in Orlando or in the community there have not volunteered to do organized searches. During the Van Dam case here there was much support and volunteers, led by the dad were out searching for a couple of weeks. A big professional search team came here too from out of state. And the Van Dams had alot of negative publicity about themselves to boot so it wasn't like they were squeaky clean. Many people accused the dad of doing something. Are the people of Orlando just weird and have no sympathy or what?? I find this community odd. The search volunteers actually found Danielle too. They went inch by inch in this huge vast expanse of a community and they found here. Big grocery stores and companies donated food and water. There was a huge effort and they didn't know if they were looking for a live child or a dead child but they searched. I feel sorry for the Anthony's that people are so disinterested there. I do think they are afraid of what they will find tho.


I think your observation is keen but don't the 2 cases are comparable in terms of public support.
However, I cmpletely agree there is no support for these people.
That, for me, says people dont really care how the f- this happened as the priority they want her to be found, but for people that so adamantly give the impression they think she is alive, who is geting in line to burst their bubble?

[liltigress]

Somebody posted his albums last night, I believe, it was spelled TedE? It might have been busylady? There was a photo of Casey all clinging onto TonE in a booth at a fancy club. The rest of his photo albums were BMX bike stunt competitions.

I wasn't aware but the threads are moving so quickly, I'm not surprised I missed that.

The one's I'm looking at now are at the Dragon Room and just wondered if Casey showed up there also. I notice there is a lot of "girl-on-girl" action that this photographer seems to be most impressed with.

Seeing these sure tends to make a person think there is much more behind the scenes than on the dance floor.

[RR0004]

I think the meeting w/ Baez and LE Fri eve yielded: Caylee is dead, we have her hair and DNA in the car. Pending further tests and as we begin to plan our search strategy for her remains, please inform your Client that unless she confesses immediately, she is playing beat the clock wih our efforts to find a body. Once we do, she is going to death row if she does not help us. No deals. I think the Anthony's know she is dead, but still cling to belief if was at another's hands.
They can and they will proceed w/out a body if Caylee's Dna is in that car, specifically blood evidence or decomp fluids, but I think like most of us, they are committed to finding her if they can.

You know I have not been able to do much but work on this case since it happened and I just want to say I'm so sorry Caylee and I wish I couold do more.:blowkiss:
Geez, Blink...you always do it to me.

[Angelray]

I've read that you can. That's what I was asking. Could Casey have really dug up some bamboo when she borrowed the shovel. I'm sure LE checked into everything though.

Well IMO the bamboo really thru a loop in this as too why would she back the car in and borrow shovel and dig up bamboo.. This is just me throwing out an idea sooo she digs up bamboo , returns shovel, puts bamboo and dirt in the trunk, and takes it somewhere else to plant it. For what reason??

[maconrich]

Macon, I do agree with that. It seems to me that Cindy may be distancing herself right now from everyone? At first, I saw her abrasive attitude, but it looked to be more like an outcry as to why no one is believing in her daughter.

Like I'd said, there is no telling what all is being said around that town. I think someone said earlier it was reported that a motorcycle drove by shouting obscenities. It must be horrid.

I did the distancing thing too - it's my normal and it helps me when I'm having to deal with things I can't deal with. And she could well be doing that (which is forcing George to be more out in the open). And ITA I can't even imagine having people (like whoever was on the motorcycle) shout obscenities when you're heart is being ripped out. :(

Now, I do agree that both parents and Lee need to put their foot down and try to get *real* answers from Casey, but that doesn't seem to be an easy thing (for anyone!). They - especially Cindy - do seem to know how to work her and that could be part of what we've been seeing (as in give Casey sympathy, try for some answers, act like you believe her, push for more answers).

It's sad to see these dynamics being played out and frustrating because Casey still doesn't seem to be talking. Not as sad as the fact that a precious little girl is missing and most likely gone, but still sad...

[rosario_c]

I've been away for a few days and trying to catch up on the threads.

Do we know when the results will be in from the trunk? (fluids, I think)

Thanks in advance!

[Blink34]

I wasn't aware but the threads are moving so quickly, I'm not surprised I missed that.

The one's I'm looking at now are at the Dragon Room and just wondered if Casey showed up there also. I notice there is a lot of "girl-on-girl" action that this photographer seems to be most impressed with.

Seeing these sure tends to make a person think there is much more behind the scenes than on the dance floor.


LOL, I was thinking I do not own anything skimpy enough to even make an appearance at one of these clubs. Probably to the satisfaction of my children..

Lastly, OT, but not really: Is it me, or does anyone else cringe at her bent over the toilet pic? Listen, we all went to college, but omg, if my Mommy saw that I would literally die-And my daddy' fgai- It just seems this is a way of life for the kids I do not understand.

[RR0004]

Well, since she is the one who brought it up...and considering the cuss-words Casey throws at her mom...I have wondered if 'the nanny' did take Caylee not to the beach...but to the Beeo*ch. Meaning Cindy had her at the time of her disappearance? Cindy is the last person documented to have been with Caylee, per the Fathers Day video, correct? Plus Casey saying 'What do you mean, Mom, you don't know my involvement...', and Cindy just smirkily going into 'Sweetie...'

Just My Random Opinion, changing daily along with the facts of this case.
Oh, you have no idea where my mind has been with all of this. I totally understand.

[Blink34]

Geez, Blink...you always do it to me.

Back at ya, RR, I cannot shake this baby. Sorry my dear friend, RR.:blowkiss:

[liltigress]

I did the distancing thing too - it's my normal and it helps me when I'm having to deal with things I can't deal with. And she could well be doing that (which is forcing George to be more out in the open). And ITA I can't even imagine having people (like whoever was on the motorcycle) shout obscenities when you're heart is being ripped out. :(

Now, I do agree that both parents and Lee need to put their foot down and try to get *real* answers from Casey, but that doesn't seem to be an easy thing (for anyone!). They - especially Cindy - do seem to know how to work her and that could be part of what we've been seeing (as in give Casey sympathy, try for some answers, act like you believe her, push for more answers).

It's sad to see these dynamics being played out and frustrating because Casey still doesn't seem to be talking. Not as sad as the fact that a precious little girl is missing and most likely gone, but still sad...

I seriously think Casey will deny everything even if Caylee is found dead. We have seen nothing in her honesty since the very beginning.

Hopefully the presser tomorrow will help bring many things to light for us all. This case has been especially draining and riddled with emotions on all extremes.

[Leila]

Casey's words on the phone call with Christine the other day that others have highlighted struck me, as well. About is she telling the whole truth and Casey asks something about, "That I don't know where my daughter is? Yes" or however exactly it was phrased (I know what struck me was her being specific that THAT was what she was being completely truthful about ~ whether that's an inadvertent admission that might be the only truthful thing or not we obviously don't know)

Then there's also been a lot of discussion about Casey very specifically saying Caylee was missing for 31 days (then how that does/doesn't fit with the original and later dates) and about the fact that the Zanny name rolled right off her tongue.

The latter two struck me as almost very rehearsed. She was so nonchalant in the call and didn't hesitate on those two details. While it might be because they are both true (that it'd been 31 days and that Zanny is really known to her) I almost wondered if she'd been practicing with someone. Perhaps a someone who might have also been involved, thus opening the door for the possibility that she might NOT know where Caylee is now (as in someone else perhaps did something with what I'd guess are her remains, not Caylee still alive, unfortunately).

Sure she could have practiced on her own, but the odd emphasis in that conversation with Christine have me thinking through whether Casey was being truthful about that one little morsel or if it's another lie. Oh and I do think there may be a real Zanny, though I doubt she's ever been Caylee's nanny. I think it could be stolen ID or someone Casey (or associates) know and were on the outs with or something, and that was why Casey used a name, knowing eventually she'd HAVE to come up with a story to SOMEONE about where Caylee was...but that she practiced that in advance...just whether that was alone or with someone who may have had other roles, as well.


I also feel that there is a Zanny, as LE has pulled up a number of them in their DAVID (drivers license) database. So there are a number of people by that name. At one time Casey had a friend by that name.

Casey was between a rock and a hard place when LE asked her to take them to the apartment complex where she left Caylee with the babysitter. She may have been familiar with the Sawgrass Apartments because a friend once lived there. She could have toured the apartment complex sometime in the past month or two and saw Zenaida's name on the guest card and noted the coincidence that she knew someone by that name.

Despite being confronted with the fact that Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzolas doesn't live there and the apartment has been empty since February, Casey clings to her story because it's the only story she's got.......her daughter was kidnapped by a babysitter......because that's the story she stated and she can't back down without an admission of guilt.

[SWAG1959]

Hi all. Finally, I have being reading and reading. This forum is so much better than the one I have been on since Friday. Really good discussions, opinions, theories, etc.

[drip~drop]

Truly..... I'm glad you posted this because it crossed my mind a couple of days ago. I don't want to be unfair to the Gma but everything about her makes my skin crawl.


That she has been a nurse for nearly 30 years and George was a homocide detective, I really don't understand the way they are.:waitasec:

I understand the shock and pain. I've had a family member kidnapped and murdered.....but this, this is bizarre.

[swa]

I saw the video of the prayer vigil and was struck by how few people were there after the two church groups left and the Anthonys came out. Where are all their friends and neighbors? Where is the extended family? We know that Cindy's father is in an assisted living home, but I remember mention that Cindy's mother is alive and close by. She's Caylee's great-grandmother. Where are George and Cindy's brothers and sisters?

According to reports, the Anthonys have lived in that house and neighborhood since 1989. Where is everyone?

I hate to be blunt . . . but Cindy needs to realize that most people have "common sense" and realize what has happened to this child.

It's my opinion that Cindy has been manipulated by Casey FOR YEARS and expects us ALL to belive her lies.

Not going to happen.

[RR0004]

On the vigil video, Cindy should have been a bit more gracious, in my honest opinion. When asked if she was surprised about the two churches coming out, her reply was so flat and matter of fact...almost like they owed her to be there. "No, I am not surprised. This is what this is all about. The community coming together to find this little girl.", she said.

Would have been a good time for her to have at least pretended she was grateful! Sheesh! I guess she will be really surprised when no one else shows up next time!
an "Oh, this is so wondeful!" or "I'm speechless" would have worked for me.

[kathyn2]

Yes, you have a big point there. One BIG difference is the Van Dams were not trying to protect anyone in their family and they had to know what happened to their baby. They wanted help to find their child no matter what.

However the Anthony's only want people searching for something we all think is a lie. Looking for some woman we don't think exists. They don't want to find a dead child somewhere. I don't either but unfortunately I think thats what we are going to find. I think if grandma called on the community to do an inch by inch of the community to find the child and invited TES or another search group in, they would get more help.

How did they finally find that other adorable little girl in FL a couple of years ago that was buried alive on the perps property? The Anthony's are in a much more precarious situation as I think they know they daughter did something with Caylee and just can't admit it to themselves.

I think your observation is keen but don't the 2 cases are comparable in terms of public support.
However, I cmpletely agree there is no support for these people.
That, for me, says people dont really care how the f- this happened as the priority they want her to be found, but for people that so adamantly give the impression they think she is alive, who is geting in line to burst their bubble?

[DianeB]

I have written a couple of times about how strange I find it that the people in Orlando or in the community there have not volunteered to do organized searches. During the Van Dam case here there was much support and volunteers, led by the dad were out searching for a couple of weeks. A big professional search team came here too from out of state. And the Van Dams had alot of negative publicity about themselves to boot so it wasn't like they were squeaky clean. Many people accused the dad of doing something. Are the people of Orlando just weird and have no sympathy or what?? I find this community odd. The search volunteers actually found Danielle too. They went inch by inch in this huge vast expanse of a community and they found here. Big grocery stores and companies donated food and water. There was a huge effort and they didn't know if they were looking for a live child or a dead child but they searched. I feel sorry for the Anthony's that people are so disinterested there. I do think they are afraid of what they will find tho.I think the fact that the child was missing for five weeks and the mother never bothered to report it makes a huge difference here.

If you asked 100 people at random on the streets of Orlando, I'd venture to guess that a majority would say they believe Casey killed her. What else is there to think, given the fact that every word out of her mouth has been a total fabrication.

It was finally the little girl's grandmother who called the police -shades of Brooke Bennett's grandma and her 911-calling friend.

What must be eating away at Cindy is the thought that if she'd only called the cops earlier, Caylee would have been playing in the backyard today.

But how much earlier? The week of June 16th? The 24th? How much time did she have, without knowing that her daughter was capable of actually losing her child and not caring. Monstrous.

Cindy's guilt must be overwhelming.

The fact that Casey has so many friends and casual acquaintances, yet not one has stepped forward to defend her or even to help search for a little girl some of them actually know, is very telling.

Her brother Lee seems pretty normal, he must have friends. Where are they?

[liltigress]

Goodnight Sleuthers and little Caylee. Maybe we'll hear at least SOMETHING tomorrow.

Keep on keepin on!

[DianeB]

I wasn't aware but the threads are moving so quickly, I'm not surprised I missed that.

The one's I'm looking at now are at the Dragon Room and just wondered if Casey showed up there also. I notice there is a lot of "girl-on-girl" action that this photographer seems to be most impressed with.

Seeing these sure tends to make a person think there is much more behind the scenes than on the dance floor.I commented on this the other night, but nobody responded. Looking at those pictures definitely pinged my gaydar, as they say.

[RR0004]

Well, please do not think by my silence that I disagree with you. I have been told we should not discuss religion on the forum and I will abide by the rules, now that I am aware of them

i didnt know either, and i'm sorry. i think there is a difference, though, between criticizing someone's religion (which i would never do) and analyzing a political stunt draped in religion as the anthony's have done tonight.

that is only my opinion and i truly mean no offense by it.
Well, it made me laugh so it was good for something (hehe).

[Leila]

:whistle:



I wonder now if they have any friends at all and if there are so many deep family problems that they don't associate with each other. Sure looks as though Casey was trying to break free from them also.

I just know that if something terrible had happened to one of my neighbors, everyone would be there at a prayer vigil, and would be making and bringing food in for the family, and doing whatever they could to help.

[bluedevil21]

I think the fact that the child was missing for five weeks and the mother never bothered to report it makes a huge difference here.

If you asked 100 people at random on the streets of Orlando, I'd venture to guess that a majority would say they believe Casey killed her. What else is there to think, given the fact that every word out of her mouth has been a total fabrication.

It was finally the little girl's grandmother who called the police -shades of Brooke Bennett's grandma and her 911-calling friend.

What must be eating away at Cindy is the thought that if she'd only called the cops earlier, Caylee would have been playing in the backyard today.

But how much earlier? The week of June 16th? The 24th? How much time did she have, without knowing that her daughter was capable of actually losing her child and not caring. Monstrous.

Cindy's guilt must be overwhelming.

The fact that Casey has so many friends and casual acquaintances, yet not one has stepped forward to defend her or even to help search for a little girl some of them actually know, is very telling.

Her brother Lee seems pretty normal, he must have friends. Where are they?

i agree with all of this. i think to organize a massive public search is directly related to a common public consensus of guilt. however, in this case, the very family that the public would be helping absolutely denies that they have any liability. it doesn't necessarily send people running to lend a helping hand.

[tiredblondy]

Hi all. Finally, I have being reading and reading. This forum is so much better than the one I have been on since Friday. Really good discussions, opinions, theories, etc.


Welcome! I love this forum. The mods are great.

[Truly]

I wasn't aware but the threads are moving so quickly, I'm not surprised I missed that.

The one's I'm looking at now are at the Dragon Room and just wondered if Casey showed up there also. I notice there is a lot of "girl-on-girl" action that this photographer seems to be most impressed with.

Seeing these sure tends to make a person think there is much more behind the scenes than on the dance floor.
Oh, I was just asking if it was the same photographer. I am almost positive the name of the other one was TedE Piper. Or TediPiper. So your photographers name really jumped out at me. Most of his photos, except a few in clubs, (which looked kinda classy not trashy), were of boys doing bicycle jumps, or groups of young guys posing, or portraits of individual guys.

There was definitely a photo of Casey with a guy, who was identified as TonE, both of them dressed up at a fancy table. Anyone remember which thread it might have been on? Is there a way to search comments?

[ebrich]

http://a781.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/43/m_5d15687473810c6bdf935aedd18ec12c.jpg

http://a481.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/66/l_6a1d73cb604703f683523e21bb62f858.jpg

I'm just going to throw this out here before i go to bed.
This may have been tossed out there in one of the many threads.
But I"m wondering if maybe Casey was getting into event promoting/go-go dancing i.e. gogoorlando.com , they have a myspace page too or maybe part of the 'Whats Hot Live Crew'.
I'm simply tossing this out there as an idea, based on the photos above.
SHe's on the platform with another dancer, and then maybe that is why she is getting her photos taken with other patrons/djs/entertainers.

Just speculating
the girl she is dancing with is the blonde in the picture at the booth. I added her on myspace. She is a shot girl at fusian. It seems like the girls that work there are 18-19, not Casey's age. Although she is in pictures with them, from the myspaces, it doesnt seem like Casey is part of that group, just friends with the guys and that one blonde girl. Although the blonde girl has 8-10 albums of pictures and none of them have Casey in them
http://www.myspace.com/dasx3

also here are comments casey left her recently
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ag1a35&s=4

[Leila]

I have been reading this forum off and on for years. I am addicted to this case.

I keep trying to invent a different ending - some believable scenario other than the obvious.

Has anyone heard anything from the shovel loaning neighbor about the date? Middle of June is a little vague.

I never saw the news regarding her being on a suicide watch. A Dr would have had to clear her if that was the case...

I believe that after the (obviously pre-buried) dirt covered object was put in the trunk that the car did not travel far. Even a sociopath would have to be feeling a little sick and the smell would have been strong.

I would also be interested in finding out when the last service was done on the vehicle. Did they write down the mileage? It could potentially be helpful?

I hope I am wrong but I am betting there is water at the end of this story. Susan Smith, Scott Peterson - it's as though the really big liars think water will just clean up their messes...

Welcome JulieAnne!

I think you've got a good point about not traveling very far. I don't think we have anything more on the shovel-loaning neighbor than mid-June.

[RR0004]

Back at ya, RR, I cannot shake this baby. Sorry my dear friend, RR.:blowkiss:
Sorry, I didn't get the chance to say goodnight...and sweet dreams dear Blink...you do so much for others...I admire you so.

[RR0004]

Welcome JulieAnne!

I think you've got a good point about not traveling very far. I don't think we have anything more on the shovel-loaning neighbor than mid-June.
Was it ever mentioned as to what time of day this shovel incident occurred? I remember the neighbor saying he had taken a shower, but that doesn't necessarily mean morning...I shower at night (FWIW).

[bluedevil21]

I think the meeting w/ Baez and LE Fri eve yielded: Caylee is dead, we have her hair and DNA in the car. Pending further tests and as we begin to plan our search strategy for her remains, please inform your Client that unless she confesses immediately, she is playing beat the clock wih our efforts to find a body. Once we do, she is going to death row if she does not help us. No deals. I think the Anthony's know she is dead, but still cling to belief if was at another's hands.
They can and they will proceed w/out a body if Caylee's Dna is in that car, specifically blood evidence or decomp fluids, but I think like most of us, they are committed to finding her if they can.

You know I have not been able to do much but work on this case since it happened and I just want to say I'm so sorry Caylee and I wish I couold do more.:blowkiss:


i agree with you 100%. this is a post i wrote yesterday (but i think LE is done sitting on the evidence):


i think LE does have evidence that caylee is deceased; the car has been seized since the 17th, ample time to get forensics back. and at the same time, they sort of implied it:

A sheriff's investigator said on Friday that based on a smell and other evidence in Anthony's car, it's possible Caylee is dead and her mother is involved.

however, i also think LE may be sitting on whatever evidence that they have. the evidence they can get from the car will show whether caylee was alive or deceased; they will probably be able to distinguish this based solely on the strands of hair that they found. but they will need the body to prove how she died. for example, it will make a huge difference, legally speaking at least, if the body shows that she was strangled, as opposed to fell down the stairs (or any accident, etc). if there was intent, it will be murder; if it was only negligence, it will be manslaughter.

while the police cannot make casey talk to them (ever, in fact - she can remain silent forever and no one will ever get any answers from her, and that would be 100% within the bounds of the law - how much does that suck? this is why baez isn't letting LE speak to her. it's actually the smartest thing he has done, considering how much she has already incriminated herself), the fbi can make her talk. of course, in saying that, i am assuming (and hoping) that she won't continue her ridiculous denials. so, LE may sit on their evidence, wait for the fbi to try to break her, and then say "look at everything we have on you (you crazy lying *****)." and then force her to show them where the remains are in exchange for a lesser charge (or something along those lines). having the body itself is also better for public policy reasons - it will bring closure to the case.

this will go to a jury either way (unless she pleads, but that would mean accepting guilt). on one hand, it looks terrible for the mother of a 2-year-old to take the fifth, or to selfishly care more about remaining in jail than helping the authorities find her little girl who was "stolen" over a month ago (especially because she insists that caylee is alive). on the other hand, as much as all of this circumstantial evidence looks damning, it would be incredibly hard to pin murder on her (or maybe even manslaughter) without knowing that caylee was, in fact, killed.

i am sure LE will (or already does) have the credit card records, phone records, and maybe even computer records. thus, they will be able to discern exactly where she has been for the past month, what she has spent money on, if she has in fact spoken to the nanny (for that matter, if she has ever spoken to the nanny. casey said in her statement that the nanny has watched caylee for a year and a half or two years. that is basically caylee's whole life. i find it so hard to believe that she really does exist and NO one has ever met her). they will also probably be able to determine what emails and facebook/myspace messages she has posted and/or deleted, at what location she posted/deleted them, who she has hung out, and what other lies she has spun. they may also have the stolen/forged checks from amy, statements from all of her friends and family, her employment records, etc (so they can parade a slew of witnesses up there to trash her character). considering how much evidence we have already found, just by using the internet, i can't even imagine what they must know.

this gives me a little faith that, ultimately, justice will be served. i hope she got all of that partying out of her system....

this is just my opinion, please take it for whatever it's worth.

[SWAG1959]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?

[RR0004]

I commented on this the other night, but nobody responded. Looking at those pictures definitely pinged my gaydar, as they say.
I remember, Diane. But, my daughter and her friends behave all mushy in their "bar pics". Not something that makes a mother proud, but they're all good (straight) kids.

[ebrich]

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The only thing that holds me back from believing in this strange hunch, is the photo of this little girl, who deserves to be located. That and the dogs. Plus, I don't think anybody could make this stuff up. But it sure is odd.

casey could... ;)

[DianeB]

Was it ever mentioned as to what time of day this shovel incident occurred? I remember the neighbor saying he had taken a shower, but that doesn't necessarily mean morning...I shower at night (FWIW).Didn't he say he was working in the yard when she drove up, backed the car into the driveway, and came over to borrow the shovel? I'm guessing he doesn't mow the lawn at night, but it doesn't get dark until about 8 so he might have been out there watering the lawn.

I wonder if she went into the house first, not realizing she couldn't get access to a shovel, before approaching the neighbor or if she walked right over to him when she got there? Did she open the garage door or go through the front door to get into the house?

[swa]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?

There is NO CHANCE that George is involved in this.

[Blink34]

Yes, you have a big point there. One BIG difference is the Van Dams were not trying to protect anyone in their family and they had to know what happened to their baby. They wanted help to find their child no matter what.

However the Anthony's only want people searching for something we all think is a lie. Looking for some woman we don't think exists. They don't want to find a dead child somewhere. I don't either but unfortunately I think thats what we are going to find. I think if grandma called on the community to do an inch by inch of the community to find the child and invited TES or another search group in, they would get more help.

How did they finally find that other adorable little girl in FL a couple of years ago that was buried alive on the perps property? The Anthony's are in a much more precarious situation as I think they know they daughter did something with Caylee and just can't admit it to themselves.

We agree ( even with my lameazz typing at 2:30am). I respect that the Van Dam's were HONEST with LE, Danielle was found.
Although I knew Danielle was dead in that case immediately, the irony is,
I was still socked in the gut when they found her. As I await here, sadly.

[Blink34]

There is NO CHANCE that George is involved in this.
Agreed, none.

[DianeB]

i agree with you 100%. this is a post i wrote yesterday (but i think LE is done sitting on the evidence):


i think LE does have evidence that caylee is deceased; the car has been seized since the 17th, ample time to get forensics back. and at the same time, they sort of implied it:

A sheriff's investigator said on Friday that based on a smell and other evidence in Anthony's car, it's possible Caylee is dead and her mother is involved.

however, i also think LE may be sitting on whatever evidence that they have. the evidence they can get from the car will show whether caylee was alive or deceased; they will probably be able to distinguish this based solely on the strands of hair that they found. but they will need the body to prove how she died. for example, it will make a huge difference, legally speaking at least, if the body shows that she was strangled, as opposed to fell down the stairs (or any accident, etc). if there was intent, it will be murder; if it was only negligence, it will be manslaughter.

while the police cannot make casey talk to them (ever, in fact - she can remain silent forever and no one will ever get any answers from her, and that would be 100% within the bounds of the law - how much does that suck? this is why baez isn't letting LE speak to her. it's actually the smartest thing he has done, considering how much she has already incriminated herself), the fbi can make her talk. of course, in saying that, i am assuming (and hoping) that she won't continue her ridiculous denials. so, LE may sit on their evidence, wait for the fbi to try to break her, and then say "look at everything we have on you (you crazy lying *****)." and then force her to show them where the remains are in exchange for a lesser charge (or something along those lines). having the body itself is also better for public policy reasons - it will bring closure to the case.

this will go to a jury either way (unless she pleads, but that would mean accepting guilt). on one hand, it looks terrible for the mother of a 2-year-old to take the fifth, or to selfishly care more about remaining in jail than helping the authorities find her little girl who was "stolen" over a month ago (especially because she insists that caylee is alive). on the other hand, as much as all of this circumstantial evidence looks damning, it would be incredibly hard to pin murder on her (or maybe even manslaughter) without knowing that caylee was, in fact, killed.

i am sure LE will (or already does) have the credit card records, phone records, and maybe even computer records. thus, they will be able to discern exactly where she has been for the past month, what she has spent money on, if she has in fact spoken to the nanny (for that matter, if she has ever spoken to the nanny. casey said in her statement that the nanny has watched caylee for a year and a half or two years. that is basically caylee's whole life. i find it so hard to believe that she really does exist and NO one has ever met her). they will also probably be able to determine what emails and facebook/myspace messages she has posted and/or deleted, at what location she posted/deleted them, who she has hung out, and what other lies she has spun. they may also have the stolen/forged checks from amy, statements from all of her friends and family, her employment records, etc (so they can parade a slew of witnesses up there to trash her character). considering how much evidence we have already found, just by using the internet, i can't even imagine what they must know.

this gives me a little faith that, ultimately, justice will be served. i hope she got all of that partying out of her system....

this is just my opinion, please take it for whatever it's worth.I buy it.

[RR0004]

Didn't he say he was working in the yard when she drove up, backed the car into the driveway, and came over to borrow the shovel? I'm guessing he doesn't mow the lawn at night, but it doesn't get dark until about 8 so he might have been out there watering the lawn.

I wonder if she went into the house first, not realizing she couldn't get access to a shovel, before approaching the neighbor or if she walked right over to him when she got there? Did she open the garage door or go through the front door to get into the house?
Do you think she would have had access to the house or garage if her own mother wouldn't even let her know where the key to the shed was?

Thanks for the info about the time of day. I was just curious.

[SWAG1959]

Ok - skip George. This was another discussion going on - deals with Nanny Zanny. Someone found that Jesus Ortiz' mother was Zaniada Gonzalez. It was opinionated that Casey remained friends with her - grandmother. Cindy and George didn't know and Casey passed her off as the nanny. Casey obviously doesn't get long with mommy Cindy and mommy Cindy had threatened her with DCF and custody. So, Casey gave Caylee to Zanny to leave with a keep safe until she can meet up with them. This opinion doesn't take the car / backyard smell (dogs) into account. Casey then went on a spending spree just to get back at Cindy. Don't know - this puzzle has me going in circles. What do you think?

[RR0004]

We agree ( even with my lameazz typing at 2:30am). I respect that the Van Dam's were HONEST with LE, Danielle was found.
Although I knew Danielle was dead in that case immediately, the irony is,
I was still socked in the gut when they found her. As I await here, sadly.
Did you just take a nap?

[SeriouslySearching]

I remember, Diane. But, my daughter and her friends behave all mushy in their "bar pics". Not something that makes a mother proud, but they're all good (straight) kids.I agree totally! They think it is quite comical to act like that for photos. Lovely. (Groan) However, it means nothing. I have seen it many times.

[RR0004]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?
I'm sure GP alerted GM to the smell in the car.

[SeriouslySearching]

Agreed, none.Agree with your agreement. :)

[Blink34]

I remember, Diane. But, my daughter and her friends behave all mushy in their "bar pics". Not something that makes a mother proud, but they're all good (straight) kids.

My kids are pre-party age (way) and sucking face with my peeps to arouse dudes was not yet in when my galpals and I were on the circuit (campus), but I think it is 50/50. Most for show, some for ho.
Do not think either way it is relevant, this chiclet did not give a rats a** about anyone or anything over being "crunk"

[DianeB]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?And George wasn't working until July 14th. What does he do with his time?

But I don't for one nanosecond believe that Casey would be sitting in jail if it had been George. She wasn't scared when she was arrested, she was pissed - she's probably apoplectic by now that she's missing all her club nights. She'd have given dad up in a heartbeat if it meant freedom.

Oh, and welcome.

[ebrich]

Didn't Cindy say the ladder was always put away from the pool? In the video of them searching the yard, the ladder is in the pool.

[kathyn2]

Well gang, I am off to bed. We have to be up to watch the press conference. I hope it is a good one with some good news. Like they are filing murder charges against Casey. I hope to God she tells where that baby is so her parents can get some closure and move on. I do feels sorry for them. Especially dad. I feel he is a good guy and honest and the brother too. See you all tomorrow!

[SeriouslySearching]

Do you think she would have had access to the house or garage if her own mother wouldn't even let her know where the key to the shed was?

Thanks for the info about the time of day. I was just curious.Yes, Casey would have had full access to the house and garage since she was supposed to have Caylee with her. They would not lock her out of the place they preferred her to be with Caylee.

As for the time of day, it is my belief it was daytime.

[SeriouslySearching]

Didn't Cindy say the ladder was always put away from the pool? In the video of them searching the yard, the ladder is in the pool.Oh, good catch!! That is very interesting, isn't it?!

[Truly]

Well IMO the bamboo really thru a loop in this as too why would she back the car in and borrow shovel and dig up bamboo.. This is just me throwing out an idea sooo she digs up bamboo , returns shovel, puts bamboo and dirt in the trunk, and takes it somewhere else to plant it. For what reason??
So, if Casey (or one of her friends) recently did some 'landscaping' somewhere, such as the house she was supposed to move into, or who knows where, we might find little Caylee in the spot where the new bamboo is planted? :(

That would be a very good thing to keep an eye out for. Yes, you can definitely transplant a clump of bamboo. Bamboo is really invasive, not hard to grow at all.

[Blink34]

And George wasn't working until July 14th. What does he do with his time?

But I don't for one nanosecond believe that Casey would be sitting in jail if it had been George. She wasn't scared when she was arrested, she was pissed - she's probably apoplectic by now that she's missing all her club nights. She'd have given dad up in a heartbeat if it meant freedom.

Oh, and welcome.


LOL- your pithy at 2:45am, that is a skill!
I agree, if there was anyone of these kin in her site they are gonners, if she does not confess, Im counting on GMA being Baez plan B

[RR0004]

My kids are pre-party age (way) and sucking face with my peeps to arouse dudes was not yet in when my galpals and I were on the circuit (campus), but I think it is 50/50. Most for show, some for ho.
Do not think either way it is relevant, this chiclet did not give a rats a** about anyone or anything over being "crunk"
Oh, I asked my daughter if she heard of the word "crunk"...first, she wanted to know how I heard of it (she definitely thinks I spend too much time on this site) and then she pretty much said it meant very drunk (crazy drunk).

[SeriouslySearching]

My kids are pre-party age (way) and sucking face with my peeps to arouse dudes was not yet in when my galpals and I were on the circuit (campus), but I think it is 50/50. Most for show, some for ho.
Do not think either way it is relevant, this chiclet did not give a rats a** about anyone or anything over being "crunk"Yes, that is the word her friends seem to love to use. :rocker:

That is the quote of the day: Most for show, some for ho. :gold_star:

[DianeB]

Do you think she would have had access to the house or garage if her own mother wouldn't even let her know where the key to the shed was?That's another thing. Did she go into the house at all, or just walk around to the back? Did the neighbor notice?

[SWAG1959]

We don't really know that Casey hasn't "spilled the beans" - maybe at least to her attny. Read somewhere today that it was Casey who hired Baez and now the family was refusing to pay for him. Plus, by Casey moving the body - that implicates her as an accessory - George would have told her that - scared her - possibly "threatened" her. He really hasn't been talking, except for the exit from the jail on Friday where he was excited and determined that Caylee was still alive. He said something to the effect hat "we now have to re-group". Regroup how?

[Blink34]

Oh, I asked my daughter if she heard of the word "crunk"...first, she wanted to know how I heard of it (she definitely thinks I spend too much time on this site) and then she pretty much said it meant very drunk (crazy drunk).
It was posted earlier to day it could mean that or just mean drunk and high- who knew?
LOL she asked you how you knew that

[swa]

Ok - skip George. This was another discussion going on - deals with Nanny Zanny. Someone found that Jesus Ortiz' mother was Zaniada Gonzalez. It was opinionated that Casey remained friends with her - grandmother. Cindy and George didn't know and Casey passed her off as the nanny. Casey obviously doesn't get long with mommy Cindy and mommy Cindy had threatened her with DCF and custody. So, Casey gave Caylee to Zanny to leave with a keep safe until she can meet up with them. This opinion doesn't take the car / backyard smell (dogs) into account. Casey then went on a spending spree just to get back at Cindy. Don't know - this puzzle has me going in circles. What do you think?

You can discuss as many "theories" as you want -- but you have to look at the current evidence.

Cadaver dogs hitting on two locations. One being the car -- the other being locations in the yard.

Using that information and using common sense, you could assume that if Caylee is dead, she was buried, then moved to another location.

This was probably done by the person driving the white Pontiac car....

[RR0004]

Yes, Casey would have had full access to the house and garage since she was supposed to have Caylee with her. They would not lock her out of the place they preferred her to be with Caylee.

As for the time of day, it is my belief it was daytime.
Ok, that makes sense if she got the shovel before the 15th...but wasn't Casey staying elsewhere in June? I'm confused.

[txsvicki]

So, if Casey (or one of her friends) recently did some 'landscaping' somewhere, such as the house she was supposed to move into, or who knows where, we might find little Caylee in the spot where the new bamboo is planted? :(

That would be a very good thing to keep an eye out for. Yes, you can definitely transplant a clump of bamboo. Bamboo is really invasive, not hard to grow at all.


Doesn't bamboo have shallow roots? It could cover a shallow grave.

[Blink34]

That's another thing. Did she go into the house at all, or just walk around to the back? Did the neighbor notice?.

I am not buyin that they lock her out of the shed and then allow her access to the full reign of the house- No way. Again, if Cindy told the truth (Casey was locked out) this could be excluded. frustrating

[DianeB]

Yes, Casey would have had full access to the house and garage since she was supposed to have Caylee with her. They would not lock her out of the place they preferred her to be with Caylee. Excellent point.

[Blink34]

Doesn't bamboo have shallow roots? It could cover a shallow grave.


Just an fyi there was no evidence of transplanted Bamboo and the dogs hit under the playhouse which is several yards away from the bamboo, fyi

[SeriouslySearching]

There is no way that I would believe that Casey of ALL people would go dig up a blade of grass or bamboo because it means WORK. We all know how she feels about work!! She has proven herself to be a lazy, spoiled rotten brat who never really had to work a day in her life (besides the stint she did when Caylee was born). She wasn't doing lawn chores with that shovel!

[kathyn2]

I read that too about ZFG being Jesus' grandmother over at topix. But I wonder if it is true? I tried to look up an obit or something to see but I couldn't find that info so maybe that person was just opining a 'what if'. Trouble is, this family lies so much (especially Casey) that we don't even know if that guy was the father or whether she knew him. If she did know him and his grandmother that may be where she dreamt up that name but I don't believe she was really the nanny.

Ok - skip George. This was another discussion going on - deals with Nanny Zanny. Someone found that Jesus Ortiz' mother was Zaniada Gonzalez. It was opinionated that Casey remained friends with her - grandmother. Cindy and George didn't know and Casey passed her off as the nanny. Casey obviously doesn't get long with mommy Cindy and mommy Cindy had threatened her with DCF and custody. So, Casey gave Caylee to Zanny to leave with a keep safe until she can meet up with them. This opinion doesn't take the car / backyard smell (dogs) into account. Casey then went on a spending spree just to get back at Cindy. Don't know - this puzzle has me going in circles. What do you think?

[RR0004]

It was posted earlier to day it could mean that or just mean drunk and high- who knew?
LOL she asked you how you knew that
She's afraid (I'm sure) that I'm getting a bit too enlightened. I was just curious if she had ever heard of the word 'cause I never did. She said...and please no one take any offense because this is another word that is loosely thrown around...it's kinda "ghetto".

[Blink34]

Excellent point.

I just cant wrap around if she had access, why the locked shed, why the BS about Mom hearing them through the walls but no-one saw them, and dont forget in the 911 call Cindy says "she finally found her after a month"
Am I too thick or is it just Cindy's word again?

[Leila]

I think the meeting w/ Baez and LE Fri eve yielded: Caylee is dead, we have her hair and DNA in the car. Pending further tests and as we begin to plan our search strategy for her remains, please inform your Client that unless she confesses immediately, she is playing beat the clock wih our efforts to find a body. Once we do, she is going to death row if she does not help us. No deals. I think the Anthony's know she is dead, but still cling to belief if was at another's hands.
They can and they will proceed w/out a body if Caylee's Dna is in that car, specifically blood evidence or decomp fluids, but I think like most of us, they are committed to finding her if they can.

You know I have not been able to do much but work on this case since it happened and I just want to say I'm so sorry Caylee and I wish I couold do more.:blowkiss:

I think your scenario is very likely.

I look froward to the press conference tomorrow. Does anyone know what time? Being as though I live on the west coast, and Florida is three hours ahead, I'll miss it if it's early in the morning their time.

[SWAG1959]

Exactly SWA - with the dirt in the trunk it does say that the body was probably buried and then moved. IMO IF Caylee had been buried in the backyard - wouldn't GM and GF have known that? Seems they tended that yard alot. And, IF Casey had buried her there first - why risk moving her? Why not just leave? We know that GF brought the car home - he would have smelled it. He was probably outside when Cindy made that incriminating 911 call about the smell in the car. Now, Cindy has to change her story to some cockamamee babbling about the pizza.

[SeriouslySearching]

We don't really know that Casey hasn't "spilled the beans" - maybe at least to her attny. Read somewhere today that it was Casey who hired Baez and now the family was refusing to pay for him. Plus, by Casey moving the body - that implicates her as an accessory - George would have told her that - scared her - possibly "threatened" her. He really hasn't been talking, except for the exit from the jail on Friday where he was excited and determined that Caylee was still alive. He said something to the effect hat "we now have to re-group". Regroup how?Swag, George has been talking quite a bit. Maybe you haven't kept up on that part or something, but he finally started taking over the press end of things pretty much.

I do not suspect George in this. We haven't been given any reason to. So far, he hasn't lied that we have seen to the press or to anyone. His words have yet to come back to haunt him, unlike Cindy. He seems like a very level headed guy. I don't see George threatening any female in that family...as they would rip his head off and stuff it down his throat.

[Blink34]

sorry,no, but guarnteed check the thread, some of the WS'rs on here are amazing with recaps.
Night y'all. Prayers for Caylee.

[swa]

Does anyone know if the police have mentioned finding hair samples in the spots where the dogs hit on in the yard?

[RR0004]

I just cant wrap around if she had access, why the locked shed, why the BS about Mom hearing them through the walls but no-one saw them, and dont forget in the 911 call Cindy says "she finally found her after a month"
Am I too thick or is it just Cindy's word again?
You zeroing in on the 16th got me to counting and rethinking the "31" days. I'm not so sure that they were there.

[RR0004]

sorry,no, but guarnteed check the thread, some of the WS'rs on here are amazing with recaps.
Night y'all. Prayers for Caylee.
Night, Blink!

[unravel]

Ok - skip George. This was another discussion going on - deals with Nanny Zanny. Someone found that Jesus Ortiz' mother was Zaniada Gonzalez. It was opinionated that Casey remained friends with her - grandmother.

Has this been confirmed, and if so, can you provide a link? I saw -I think it was on topix? earlier- somebody make that connection because there's a ZG who is also known as Z Ortiz. IIRC, it was said she's 72... meaning she would have had Jesus at 50, 51. While I'm not saying it's impossible, that seems questionable to me, as is 72 year old would taking on a 2 year old. Gonzalez and Ortiz are such popular Hispanic surnames that it could just be a weird coincidence.

[RR0004]

Swag, George has been talking quite a bit. Maybe you haven't kept up on that part or something, but he finally started taking over the press end of things pretty much.

I do not suspect George in this. We haven't been given any reason to. So far, he hasn't lied that we have seen to the press or to anyone. His words have yet to come back to haunt him, unlike Cindy. He seems like a very level headed guy. I don't see George threatening any female in that family...as they would rip his head off and stuff it down his throat.
I don't think poor George had a chance in that family.

[DianeB]

You can discuss as many "theories" as you want -- but you have to look at the current evidence.

Cadaver dogs hitting on two locations. One being the car -- the other being locations in the yard.

Using that information and using common sense, you could assume that if Caylee is dead, she was buried, then moved to another location.

This was probably done by the person driving the white Pontiac car....One option is that Caylee was killed at the house, temporarily buried in the yard and then moved one day when George and Cindy weren't home?

She only pulled up once, right? And Caylee's body wasn't found in the yard, so she had to have been taking it away.

Unless she arrived with Caylee's body, tried and failed to bury her in the yard, and drove away with her again.

Any other scenarios?

[Blink34]

Night, Blink!
Nighty night

[RR0004]

Has this been confirmed, and if so, can you provide a link? I saw -I think it was on topix? earlier- somebody make that connection because there's a ZG who is also known as Z Ortiz. IIRC, it was said she's 72... meaning she would have had Jesus at 50, 51. While I'm not saying it's impossible, that seems questionable to me, as is 72 year old would taking on a 2 year old. Gonzalez and Ortiz are such popular Hispanic surnames that it could just be a weird coincidence.
Again, I will say...and she would be out looking for this woman in bars?

[swa]

One option is that Caylee was killed at the house, temporarily buried in the yard and then moved one day when George and Cindy weren't home?

She only pulled up once, right? And Caylee's body wasn't found in the yard, so she had to have been taking it away.

Unless she arrived with Caylee's body, tried and failed to bury her in the yard, and drove away with her again.

Any other scenarios?

This is the scenario that makes the most sense. Maybe Casey and Cindy will next tell us that Aliens stole the Pontiac and are responsible.

[RR0004]

Does anyone know if the police have mentioned finding hair samples in the spots where the dogs hit on in the yard?
Not to my knowledge.

[Leila]

I hate to be blunt . . . but Cindy needs to realize that most people have "common sense" and realize what has happened to this child.

It's my opinion that Cindy has been manipulated by Casey FOR YEARS and expects us ALL to belive her lies.

Not going to happen.

I agree............just pointing out that the Anthony family doesn't seem to have the support of family and friends. In all other cases of missing people, especially missing children, it's a completely different scene than what we're seeing with this case.

[LI_Mom]

I love my daughter with every fiber of my being...but if she was involved in something like this I think I would not act like this. I would tell my daughter "Tell me the truth, and quit the BS..how stupid do you think I am??":furious:

What if taking that stance with your daughter caused HER to become even more withdrawn & unwilling to talk?

What if that made her feel like you were her enemy & she now felt you deserved all the pain she caused & she didn't want to see an end to your suffering..... no matter what it cost her?


At this point.... unless Caylee IS alive.... the only person who has nothing left to lose now, is Casey. And everyone knows it.

If she knows Caylee is dead.... she's certainly in no rush to reveal that to anyone because she's got to know she might NEVER get out of jail again.

[SWAG1959]

As for the Zaniada Gonzalez being Jesus' mother - they did post a link to the public records they were looking at - but to try to find that now amongst those thousands of posts. Either way, that theory just doesn't hold due to the dogs.

Another thing about Nanny Zanny is this woman could have been using a stolen identity - happens everyday all day - she could have worked at Universal - under a completely different name - easy enough - Casey would have had to see a paycheck or ID to see the other name and Zanny could have been a nickname. Either this woman doesn't exist or she does. And if she does - well she just fell off the earth, with Caylee.

[RR0004]

Does anyone know what time LE is reporting tomorrow?

The Sheriff's Dept. might also want to change the "missing date" as well.

[DianeB]

She's afraid (I'm sure) that I'm getting a bit too enlightened. I was just curious if she had ever heard of the word 'cause I never did. She said...and please no one take any offense because this is another word that is loosely thrown around...it's kinda "ghetto".Did you ever see Hustle & Flow?

[txsvicki]

Just an fyi there was no evidence of transplanted Bamboo and the dogs hit under the playhouse which is several yards away from the bamboo, fyi


Well, if it was verified by LE then that is another lie especially if Casey never did yard work. If she didn't know where the shed key was then she couldn't have done a lot.

[DianeB]

I just cant wrap around if she had access, why the locked shed, why the BS about Mom hearing them through the walls but no-one saw them, and dont forget in the 911 call Cindy says "she finally found her after a month"
Am I too thick or is it just Cindy's word again?It makes sense they'd want the shed locked if it was accessible from the street. It was also a new shed, correct? New enough that they got it after June 16th? Maybe Casey was locked out simply because she hadn't been home to find out where they kept the key.

[Leila]

Was it ever mentioned as to what time of day this shovel incident occurred? I remember the neighbor saying he had taken a shower, but that doesn't necessarily mean morning...I shower at night (FWIW).

I don't think LE has released much of anything about the neighbor - the date, time of day, or anything that would help us here with the time line. Maybe we'll know more after the press conference.

[RR0004]

What if taking that stance with your daughter caused HER to become even more withdrawn & unwilling to talk?

What if that made her feel like you were her enemy & she now felt you deserved all the pain she caused & she didn't want to see an end to your suffering..... no matter what it cost her?


At this point.... unless Caylee IS alive.... the only person who has nothing left to lose now, is Casey. And everyone knows it.

If she knows Caylee is dead.... she's certainly in no rush to reveal that to anyone because she's got to know she might NEVER get out of jail again.
I'm sure Casey was mighty pissed at GM. I bet GM promised her she wouldn't be in any kind of trouble. But, GM was also expecting her to tell the truth. The impression I got when I read over the affidavit was that Casey accompanied LE alone on the 16th. Does anyone know for certain? I would find it odd that she would go to see them alone.

[RR0004]

Did you ever see Hustle & Flow?
Just a little bit...IIRC I turned it off...and I love the actors.

[Truly]

Night, Blink!
me, too...'night Blink...'night RR...sweet dreams all.

[RR0004]

It makes sense they'd want the shed locked if it was accessible from the street. It was also a new shed, correct? New enough that they got it after June 16th? Maybe Casey was locked out simply because she hadn't been home to find out where they kept the key.
Oh...don't think so...you should have heard GM's lengthy explanation...well, I'm sure you can imagine. Oh, my, this woman expounds on everything.

[RR0004]

Well gang, I am off to bed. We have to be up to watch the press conference. I hope it is a good one with some good news. Like they are filing murder charges against Casey. I hope to God she tells where that baby is so her parents can get some closure and move on. I do feels sorry for them. Especially dad. I feel he is a good guy and honest and the brother too. See you all tomorrow!
Night, Kathyn!

[DianeB]

Oh...don't think so...you should have heard GM's length explanation...well, I'm sure you can imagine. Oh, my, this woman expounds on everything.If they paid for it with one of their credit cards, LE knows when they bought it.

Cindy can't come out and say "My daughter is a wonderful mother" on one hand, and on the other say "But we didn't trust her with the key to the shed".

Damn that neighbor.

[SWAG1959]

What keeps throwing me is the car. George was in the car - being ex-LEO he knows that smell. Still, he is the one adamant that Caylee is still alive. In denial? Maybe but usually retired LEO's know that smell and know that it isn't a positive sign. Does anyone know if he (GF) has commented on this?

[RR0004]

I must go to sleep. My laptop is burning a whole through my pjs.
Good night all. I want more than anything to see this little girl found.
I will keep you close in my heart, dear Caylee.

[RR0004]

If they paid for it with one of their credit cards, LE knows when they bought it.

Cindy can't come out and say "My daughter is a wonderful mother" on one hand, and on the other say "But we didn't trust her with the key to the shed".

Damn that neighbor.
Tell me about it. It was the oddest thing...on and on and on.

[Leila]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?

I just don't think this is possible.

[DianeB]

What keeps throwing me is the car. George was in the car - being ex-LEO he knows that smell. Still, he is the one adamant that Caylee is still alive. In denial? Maybe but usually retired LEO's know that smell and know that it isn't a positive sign. Does anyone know if he (GF) has commented on this?I don't think he's in denial, I think he's going through the motions. If he was LE, he's seen a million dads do exactly what he's doing - defending their kids.

Night all.

[RR0004]

me, too...'night Blink...'night RR...sweet dreams all.
Thanks, Truly. Night to you as well!

[SWAG1959]

My favorite Cindyism is "Casey has lied before and she has always told the truth. . ." she finished with - once I talk to her. She went from calling 911 to have Casey arrested to an about-face now wanting Casey out of jail. IMO if Casey didn't want that child - it would have been easy enough for her to just leave. We know she had (or could find) places to stay.

[gitana1]

This case has really been obsessing me. Between work and caring for a sick family member, I don't have much time to post or sleuth, but I have been following the threads at least twice a day. At first, I was sucked into the intrigue of it all - the strange facts, the strange characters, etc - and I looked at it very clinically. But then, I found myself thinking about that little baby first thing in the morning and last thing when I went to bed. And then, it just got me in the heart: This poor little thing! She was likely killed by her own mama. I can't bear to think of it. The one person who is supposed to protect her! I so wish that I'm wrong in my feeling about Caylee's status. How amazing it would be if baby Caylee just showed up one day - alive. But sadly, I don't think that will happen. And so, I get that strong desire to live in a place where time can be turned back, just wishing that could be such that this had never happened and something can be changed so that it never will happen. Caylee, alive, unharmed and always protected. Sleep tight little baby, wherever you are!

[DianeB]

My favorite Cindyism is "Casey has lied before and she has always told the truth. . ." she finished with - once I talk to her. She went from calling 911 to have Casey arrested to an about-face now wanting Casey out of jail. IMO if Casey didn't want that child - it would have been easy enough for her to just leave. We know she had (or could find) places to stay.Exactly. Cindy and George were already raising Caylee. Casey could have just taken off and that little girl would have been fine.

I'm out.

[txsvicki]

It fascinates me to see how long Casey is keeping up the lies, because most people would crack and start talking by now. I hope she traps her own self in her web of lies and they find Caylee before the loon gets out of jail.

[Faenorwyn]

Hi guys...I haven't been on here much today, I have been pretty sick! :( I see that there haven't really been any new developments in the case which is dissapointing. I haven't had a chance to catch up yet, but can I ask a quick question? I saw some discussion about a press conference tomorrow from LE......anyone know when this will be? Thanks and night all to those that are heading to bed!

[maconrich]

Swag, George has been talking quite a bit. Maybe you haven't kept up on that part or something, but he finally started taking over the press end of things pretty much.

I do not suspect George in this. We haven't been given any reason to. So far, he hasn't lied that we have seen to the press or to anyone. His words have yet to come back to haunt him, unlike Cindy. He seems like a very level headed guy. I don't see George threatening any female in that family...as they would rip his head off and stuff it down his throat.

Exactly, plus he's given LE legit info and, according to them, been more than helpful to the investigation. I don't believe in a million years he had any part in hurting one hair on that baby's head.

Here's to hoping there's good info at pc. Charges against Casey would do wonders to improve my mood over all this...

[SWAG1959]

Yes, they announced earlier that there will be a press conference by LEO but time has not been given.

[Leila]

One option is that Caylee was killed at the house, temporarily buried in the yard and then moved one day when George and Cindy weren't home?

She only pulled up once, right? And Caylee's body wasn't found in the yard, so she had to have been taking it away.

Unless she arrived with Caylee's body, tried and failed to bury her in the yard, and drove away with her again.

Any other scenarios?


I think Casey tried and failed to dig a hole in the Anthony's backyard several times. I also think she laid the body close to where she was digging, and each time she changed location and dug in another area of the backyard, she moved the body. That's why the cadaver dogs got three hits in the backyard.

Not being able to dig in her parents backyard, Casey returned the shovel, put Caylee back in the trunk and had to consider what other options she had.

[SWAG1959]

IMO the logical scenerio, taking the facts that we know, is that Caylee was killed accidentally while on Casey's watch. Casey panicked, tried to bury her in the backyard, couldn't - put her in the car and took off. She probably got rid of her somewhere and then went out on the town. She abandoned the car due to the smell and that's where it all fell apart. She was caught like a rat in a trap. GM and GF got a hold of the car and Casey found this out by her "check-in" phone call. So now she had to go back home and didn't have time to fabricate her story. If this is the case, you can bet with the FBI involved - they have information. They have the tests back from the car. They aren't just going to blurt out everything they know. They are checking and re-checking to make sure this sticks like glue. Hopefully the PC tomorrow will shed new light. I still don't understand why they aren't searching for the body though. Seems LE could really "seal the deal" on this all if they had that - but yet no search. Curiouser and Curiouser.

[SWAG1959]

I guess you all can tell by my "out of the box" thinking how tired I am. I am just so upset that this beautiful young child can't be found. And what are the circumstances surrounding her disappearance.

I'm going to bed now - tomorrow should prove to be an enlightening day.

Good night all.

[txsvicki]

I think Casey tried and failed to dig a hole in the Anthony's backyard several times. I also think she laid the body close to where she was digging, and each time she changed location and dug in another area of the backyard, she moved the body. That's why the cadaver dogs got three hits in the backyard.

Not being able to dig in her parents backyard, Casey returned the shovel, put Caylee back in the trunk and had to consider what other options she had.


Thanks for the explanation. I've been trying to figure it all out. After googling Caylee + bamboo, l finally learned that Cindy claimed the shovel was probably used by Casey to dig up bamboo shoots which hurt the little girl's feet.

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok what is really irritating me right now is the chant.. Orange County Sheriffs dept. bring Caylee home''... Orange County Sheriffs dept. didn't lose,misplace,murder (or whatever) little Caylee! Casey did..she is responsible for this. Why on earth would these people want to burn the bridges with LE? FBI is going to work with LE they are going to be on LE's side so I don't really know what they think THAT is going to change on their behalf. The FBI may be able to get Casey to crack & if grandma (God bless her I must say) don't like Caseys history or habits dug into then she really don't want the FBI involved because sweetie it's going to ALL come out.

[c2cd208]

I have been putting some serious thought into the timing of all of this. As we all know Orlando is one hot vacation spot that people from all over the world visit. During June, July and August is when most families travel for vacation because that is when the children are out of school. That being said Orlando is really crowded this time of the year so to me water does not seem to be a place to put the body. Orland o is horrific during those months. Ask any truck driver and they will tell you, Orlando during those months is more of a pain than any other city. Most waters be it a Lake, or whatever have boaters and swimmers in the warm months. Also most of the time bodies flat due to natural gasses the body produces after death, unless the body is anchored somehow, much in the way Lacy Peterson was. That being said I do not think she would have dumped her in a body of water of any kind.
There are a lot of camping area’s near water and with camping area’s you have kids and parents all over the place so just dumping her body out in the open I do not see that either. Even in area’s of woods where people are not camping, people do hike, homeless people camp out so to speak and so her just laying out in the open is not much of option in my mind either and I just do not see Casey going deep into any set of woods to dispose of the body.
With all that in consideration I think she was put into a dumpster somewhere and is now in a landfill, and we all know in those cases IF you find anything at all, which requires some serious man hours and more of a pain than any kind of search, you will not find much. We have seen that scenario play out more than once.
Casey, IMO is not smart enough to carry out anything too complex. If Caylee is in fact alive then Casey has just pulled off the biggest hoax of the century. I just can not see her being smart enough to pull off another Lindberg case. So it all to me points to Caylee being deceased and Casey being the perp.

[SuziQ]

If they paid for it with one of their credit cards, LE knows when they bought it.

Cindy can't come out and say "My daughter is a wonderful mother" on one hand, and on the other say "But we didn't trust her with the key to the shed".

Damn that neighbor.

IIRC, Casey posted about the shed in her myspace account a couple of years ago. I could be wrong since I only got about 3 hours sleep.

[STEADFAST]

IMO the logical scenerio, taking the facts that we know, is that Caylee was killed accidentally while on Casey's watch. Casey panicked, tried to bury her in the backyard, couldn't - put her in the car and took off. She probably got rid of her somewhere and then went out on the town. She abandoned the car due to the smell and that's where it all fell apart. She was caught like a rat in a trap. GM and GF got a hold of the car and Casey found this out by her "check-in" phone call. So now she had to go back home and didn't have time to fabricate her story. If this is the case, you can bet with the FBI involved - they have information. They have the tests back from the car. They aren't just going to blurt out everything they know. They are checking and re-checking to make sure this sticks like glue. Hopefully the PC tomorrow will shed new light. I still don't understand why they aren't searching for the body though. Seems LE could really "seal the deal" on this all if they had that - but yet no search. Curiouser and Curiouser.

I don't want to gross anybody out, but you know the bag of pizza and garbage that was in the trunk? Cindy keeps saying she saw the maggots, but did she really look in there to see what it contained? Did they throw it out before the police got there? Maybe Caylee was still in the trunk.

[txsvicki]

I've been trying to figure out if Casey could have left in the car for a little while with that borrowed shovel. If the neighbor would have noticed. Could Casey have buried Caylee somewhere nearby. I'm not familiar with the area at all, but the water description of the area is helpful to get an idea.

Also: Could those maggots have been the type of fly that is specifically attracted to dead bodies?

[maconrich]

I don't want to gross anybody out, but you know the bag of pizza and garbage that was in the trunk? Cindy keeps saying she saw the maggots, but did she really look in there to see what it contained? Did they throw it out before the police got there? Maybe Caylee was still in the trunk.

IIRC Grandpa looked in the bag and then led LE to where it had been disposed of. They (LE) said it matched (was where he said and contained what he said). This was discussed at Casey's hearing.

[Mygirlsadie]

Our trash only comes twice a month and with the summer months sometimes it brings maggots to our can. We throw away everything in there including dog poo and let me tell ya..it stinks but nothing in comparison AT ALL to the smell of death. Aaaand as soon as the trash man comes and takes our trash NO smell lingers.

[close_enough]

I think Casey tried and failed to dig a hole in the Anthony's backyard several times. I also think she laid the body close to where she was digging, and each time she changed location and dug in another area of the backyard, she moved the body. That's why the cadaver dogs got three hits in the backyard.

Not being able to dig in her parents backyard, Casey returned the shovel, put Caylee back in the trunk and had to consider what other options she had.

good theory, Leila......i was thinking that while Casey was trying to find a spot to bury Caylee, she layed her IN the playhouse.....could the 'smell' have been on Casey enough for the dogs to hit where she'd been trying to dig???..maybe?