Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #12

[raisincharlie]

My point earlier was that CM knew she was going jogging.

I noticed in her interview she confirmed that Nancy was going running. She also confirmed it was not to be with Carrie and that Carrie told LE that. So we do know this information now - I quess.

[raisincharlie]

Well then I guess nothing from the GJ since BC's white BMW has been coming and going from his house.

He's been going to the grocery store :crazy:

[NCBanker]

Well then I guess nothing from the GJ since BC's white BMW has been coming and going from his house.

Nothing yet anyway. Hell, they could pick him up at 2 in the morning like they did a friend of mine who had her husband murdered. It completely took her by surprise when they rang her doorbell... In her case, she thought she'd committed the perfect crime. In this case, BC has to be biting his nails waiting for them to come at any given moment.

[Bob&Bob]

I noticed in her interview she confirmed that Nancy was going running. She also confirmed it was not to be with Carrie and that Carrie told LE that. So we do know this information now - I quess.

CM didn't mention that in her affadavit.

[Bob&Bob]

Do you live in the neighborhood ?



No. It sounds horrible.

[raisincharlie]

CM didn't mention that in her affadavit.

She does in the video. Wonder how come Brad didn't go across the street to ask CM how to get a hold of Carrie. She admits she knows her...

[Bob&Bob]

I was wondering why she didn't mention it in her affadavit.

[raisincharlie]

I was wondering why she didn't mention it in her affadavit.

Maybe the lawyer steered her clear of it - character issues only for a civil suit maybe, nothing to do with the investigation-seperate issue I would imagine.

[momto3kids]

Do you live in the neighborhood ?

No, but very close. I feel like I do since my kids are always in there swimming, walking the trails or going to the dock. My kids have always gone to school with the kids from Lochmere so they have several friends in there.

A friend of mine and my daughter lives several homes down from him.

[Bob&Bob]

I thought in some of the affadavits people mentioned
what they thought was going to happen when and where.

[momto3kids]

She does in the video. Wonder how come Brad didn't go across the street to ask CM how to get a hold of Carrie. She admits she knows her...

Diana Duncan lives across the street. Maybe Diana doesn't know much about Carrie, but he could have tried I guess.

[CARYISHOME]

No, but very close. I feel like I do since my kids are always in there swimming, walking the trails or going to the dock. My kids have always gone to school with the kids from Lochmere so they have several friends in there.

A friend of mine and my daughter lives several homes down from him.

Do you actually see his car coming or going? Or is that what someone tells you?

[raisincharlie]

I thought in some of the affadavits people mentioned
what they thought was going to happen when and where.

No affidavit from Carrie.

For those who followed the Michelle Young case - which happened not far from this one - was once LE interviewed a witness, they strongly "advised" such witness not to talk about the information related to the interview. Could have some of the same going on here I suspect.

[raisincharlie]

Diana Duncan lives across the street. Maybe Diana doesn't know much about Carrie, but he could have tried I guess.

Figure of speech :) CM lives in the neighborhood yes ? All these people claim to be Nancy's best friend, seems to me Brad could have asked any number of people right on his own block.

[BeBeBru]

If an arrest was made last weekend, would we know about it today?

[Wyn]

Just catching up and initially I felt the way JTF does, didn't see how the purse fit into the murder. But momof3 makes a valid point that it's odd NC would leave a LV purse worth $1200. in her vehicle, unless it was parked in the garage. Or the purse was a knock off. If it was, and she didn't have any credit/debit cards, only a little cash, then I can see her leaving it there. We don't have a lot of crime in Cary but breaking into vehicles is something that happens frequently. (I'm amazed at the number of people who still don't lock their cars.)

The town of Cary has an interesting link on their web site. It shows the crimes that have occurred in Cary for the past year. This is the link:
http://209.42.194.57/Cary/Default.aspx?tabid=36 Just click on crime data and then on the upper right hand corner put in an adddress and time length. If the link doesn't work just go to www.townofcary.org, to the maps section.

[raisincharlie]

Bob & Bob

Noticed the picture you posted of Harris Teeter - is that the one Brad went to ?

If it is do you think those are surveillance cameras up on top of the awning over the entrance ?

[jilly]

Ms. Jilly

I occasionally buy flowers for my little one and believe me if I don't do the same for her instructor - I'm dead meat ! :crazy:

Just have to aggravate. Honestly I can understand that to a degree so I have no problem with it actually. But, I don't believe Nancy was the only one who spent money and ran up the charge cards. Brad himself said after he paid bills he gave nancy 80% of the money and he kept 20% - no way on 20% was he paying for the stuff to compete out his pocket money - seems obvious to me. I don't besmirch him for doing so, he worked, he deserved to bear some good from working, I just have a problem about him whinning about his deceased wife.

I just thought the bouquets of roses for all was a bit much. I used to buy flowers for my daughter too but never the instructors! I figured I was paying them enough as it was!:crazy:
Anyways....I can sure see how their visa bill got up to $45,000 and that's with Brad playing a major role.

[jilly]

Just commenting based on personal experience. When I was a SAHM and after a while of doing without I would say to myself, "If he can spend money on such and such, then I can spend money on such and such." It can get to be quite a game. For example, when my husband travelled I would splurg and go out to eat (with kids) or buy expensive clothes. Can get to be very expensive for all.

Luckily, I recognized the situation and got a job to support myself if needed. Hasn't happened yet. :)

I can totally relate!:)

[momto3kids]

Do you actually see his car coming or going? Or is that what someone tells you?

I witnessed the car in the driveway, car gone, car back again. I do not know who is driving it since I have not seen it actually being driven....assume BC. The SUV is not in the driveway at all during this time.

[raisincharlie]

If an arrest was made last weekend, would we know about it today?

If there was an arrest over the weekend it would already be on all of the local channels and in print - if the person was arrested for Nancy's murder. Media outlets check the blotter everyday.

[raisincharlie]

I just thought the bouquets of roses for all was a bit much. I used to buy flowers for my daughter too but never the instructors! I figured I was paying them enough as it was!:crazy:
Anyways....I can sure see how their visa bill got up to $45,000 and that's with Brad playing a major role.

Roses - yeah a bit much. I've been known to pick dandelions for the little one :crazy: You know what instructor I'm talking about :crazy:

[CARYISHOME]

I witnessed the car in the driveway, car gone, car back again. I do not know who is driving it since I have not seen it actually being driven....assume BC. The SUV is not in the driveway at all during this time.

SUV with the CPD, you think?

[Bob&Bob]

I just thought the bouquets of roses for all was a bit much. I used to buy flowers for my daughter too but never the instructors! I figured I was paying them enough as it was!:crazy:
Anyways....I can sure see how their visa bill got up to $45,000 and that's with Brad playing a major role.

So he shouldn't have bought the roses?

[raisincharlie]

SUV with the CPD, you think?

Possible, also possible if it was a lease he could have turned it in. Doesn't need it, just going to keep costing him money. If LE has it, when they are done it is really gonna cost him some money.

[jilly]

Roses - yeah a bit much. I've been known to pick dandelions for the little one :crazy: You know what instructor I'm talking about :crazy:

:rotfl:....and I guess roses for the instructor!:yes::Banane35:

[CARYISHOME]

Possible, also possible if it was a lease he could have turned it in. Doesn't need it, just going to keep costing him money. If LE has it, when they are done it is really gonna cost him some money.

Imagine turning the vehicle in..."I'm turning it in because...." Would they charge him for turning it in early?

[Wyn]

So he shouldn't have bought the roses?

The flowers aren't a big deal. If he bought roses he wasn't the only one. It's fairly common locally for the parents to buy flowers to be presented to the child at the end of the recital, plus flowers for the child to give to her dance teacher. He just put that info in response to one of NC's friends stating that he did attend his daughter's recital. One local dance studio even started sending home an order form so that you can pre-order flowers for your child/teacher. It helps the school raise money and it keeps the parents from having to stop and buy the flowers themselves. And these "bouquets" are not huge expensive ones. Brad could have bought them at the Harris Teeter. They have a floral department. I don't know which dance studio the Cooper child attended but it's normal just to have one recital at the end of the year so it wasn't that much of an expense.

[momto3kids]

SUV with the CPD, you think?
I have no idea. I am thinking it is in the garage since the white BMW is in the spot her SUV was parked. If the SUV isn't in the garage I would think he would park in there. IMO

[Just the Fax]

SUV with the CPD, you think?

My bet is in the garage.
Per his attorney, Brad is very private.
If there was room in that garage, he would park that white BMW in
there and close the door.

[raisincharlie]

Imagine turning the vehicle in..."I'm turning it in because...." Would they charge him for turning it in early?

Usually yes there are charges for turning it in early. Under the circumstances, the decent thing to do would have been to give him a break but...

[CARYISHOME]

I have no idea. I am thinking it is in the garage since the white BMW is in the spot her SUV was parked. If the SUV isn't in the garage I would think he would park in there. IMO

The car thing...it baffles me...

[lunarmodule]

I kinda sat up when I read in his rebuttal about getting a bouquet of roses for his 4 yr old daughter at her dance recital. I kinda thought that was a little much and then when I read further that he brought 2 other bouquets for the instructors, I thought, yeah this guy is portraying that he's a big shot and needs to be recognized.[/QUOTE]

I can hear his lawyers going, "That's good, That's good, Brad! Some more of that kind of s***"

[Just the Fax]

The car thing...it baffles me...

How so ? The 325 is what he drove.

[Bob&Bob]

Bob & Bob

Noticed the picture you posted of Harris Teeter - is that the one Brad went to ?

If it is do you think those are surveillance cameras up on top of the awning over the entrance ?

I believe that Harris Teeter is in New Bern.

[Skittles]

Bob & Bob

Noticed the picture you posted of Harris Teeter - is that the one Brad went to ?

If it is do you think those are surveillance cameras up on top of the awning over the entrance ?

No, the picture Bob & Bob posted is a Harris Teeter, but it is not the one in Crescent Commons.

[momto3kids]

I kinda sat up when I read in his rebuttal about getting a bouquet of roses for his 4 yr old daughter at her dance recital. I kinda thought that was a little much and then when I read further that he brought 2 other bouquets for the instructors, I thought, yeah this guy is portraying that he's a big shot and needs to be recognized.

I can hear his lawyers going, "That's good, That's good, Brad! Some more of that kind of s***"[/QUOTE]


Now thats funny.... :rotfl:

[raisincharlie]

No, the picture Bob & Bob posted is a Harris Teeter, but it is not the one in Crescent Commons.

Are they all common in construction or is each one different. I'm just wondering about what appears to be camera's over the entrance - scanning the parking lot area.

[lunarmodule]

If you check out the "street view" on Google Maps--Wallsburg Court, Cary--you can see both cars..the BMW SUV and a what looks like a smaller white beemer sedan... If you scroll to the left you can see their neighbor walking down his front steps!

The "internets" are so creepy, huh?

[jilly]

So he shouldn't have bought the roses?

I think I've explained myself Bob&Bob.

[Wyn]

Are they all common in construction or is each one different. I'm just wondering about what appears to be camera's over the entrance - scanning the parking lot area.


That Harris Teeter had cameras scanning the parking lot in years past. A woman was assaulted there and it was picked up by a security camera.

[CARYISHOME]

How so ? The 325 is what he drove.

Yes, he drove the 325 sedan. She drove the SUV X5. I saw pictures of detectives looking under the SUV while it was outside in the driveway. Where is it now? Did he move it inside or did the CPD take it?

You mentioned he may have put the body in his vehicle while it was in the garage. Makes sense to me...I certainly would not have risked taking it outside to put it in the SUV (IF the SuV was outside). Yet, others have said the SUV would be the logical choice for disposing of a body.

If he is such a private person, I would imagine he would put HIS car in the garage after such turmoil. Yet, Momto3kids says it is outside.

After writing all this, I think CPD has the SUV and he is parking his car outside in an effort to show there is no room in the garage for his car - like her car is in there.

[Bob&Bob]

Question to CM: "...any chance that she said she was going running when in fact she was going to meet someone?"

CM: "Absolutely not absolutely not. She mentioned the night before that she was getting a jog in in the morning and that's what we expect happened."

Also,

Question: "Do you have any reason to believe that Brad had anything to do with Nancy's disappearance?"

CM: "I have no reason at all to believe that."

Actually this was previously posted in a slightly different from by NurseBeeme in The Main People in this Case
thread #8.

I apologize for not having noticed that.

[Bob&Bob]

from=form

Sorry again.

[momto3kids]

I just got the mail out of the mailbox and guess who has an envelope in my mailbox?
Good old Kurtz & Blum!!!

Yup you heard right....Seth A Blum sending an advertisement for service to the child that just got a speeding ticket.:mad:
The business card is one you won't forget. An ugly xxx dog with its bottom teeth showing stating "your best friend in the courtroom"

How ironic is this? Hummm...free consultation:waitasec:

[CyberLaw]

With guys like this, with a PD, they have to be "instructed" as to what appear normal.

Again, his lawyer or friend will tell him, this is what you have to do. Because again, they are all about themselves and only themselves and cannot act with anyone else in mind and any empathy.

It is "amazing" that a guy that does nothing, I mean nothing for his kids, when there are Divorce papers filed, and he has the "ability" to hurt his wife by taking away the kids, he "suddenly" becomes "Daddy of the year".

It is all an act, again, they have to be instructed with specific instruction as to how normal people act.

Brad is all about Brad. That is not going to ever change.

I put money that an arrest will be forthcoming..............LE wants to get all of their Ducks in a row, especially if a Grand Jury is paneled.

[CARYISHOME]

I just got the mail out of the mailbox and guess who has an envelope in my mailbox?
Good old Kurtz & Blum!!!

Yup you heard right....Seth A Blum sending an advertisement for service to the child that just got a speeding ticket.:mad:
The business card is one you won't forget. An ugly xxx dog with its bottom teeth showing stating "your best friend in the courtroom"

How ironic is this? Hummm...free consultation:waitasec:

Yeah...we got tons of mail from attorneys when my son got speeding tickets...(sigh)

[Wyn]

I just got the mail out of the mailbox and guess who has an envelope in my mailbox?
Good old Kurtz & Blum!!!

Yup you heard right....Seth A Blum sending an advertisement for service to the child that just got a speeding ticket.:mad:
The business card is one you won't forget. An ugly xxx dog with its bottom teeth showing stating "your best friend in the courtroom"

How ironic is this? Hummm...free consultation:waitasec:


I hope your child wasn't one of the ones caught on Regency. One of my son's friends has to go to driving school because he got ticketed there.

[wirehair]

I just googled my neighbor's house 2 mi. away because I knew of some major tree work that had been done 4 weeks ago. The image still shows the trees in place. The view is not current.

[CARYISHOME]

Yes, he drove the 325 sedan. She drove the SUV X5. I saw pictures of detectives looking under the SUV while it was outside in the driveway. Where is it now? Did he move it inside or did the CPD take it?

You mentioned he may have put the body in his vehicle while it was in the garage. Makes sense to me...I certainly would not have risked taking it outside to put it in the SUV (IF the SuV was outside). Yet, others have said the SUV would be the logical choice for disposing of a body.

If he is such a private person, I would imagine he would put HIS car in the garage after such turmoil. Yet, Momto3kids says it is outside.

After writing all this, I think CPD has the SUV and he is parking his car outside in an effort to show there is no room in the garage for his car - like her car is in there.

Just bringing this forward from the previous page.

[jilly]

***snipped***The flowers aren't a big deal......

Thank you for taking the time to explain. I was really out of the loop on this one.:)

[CARYISHOME]

***snipped***

Thank you for taking the time to explain. I was really out of the loop on this one.:)

Me, too.

[momto3kids]

I hope your child wasn't one of the ones caught on Regency. One of my son's friends has to go to driving school because he got ticketed there.

No, but he has a pair of shoes still in the mud at Regency. LOL He was 4 wheeling (which he was told not to do) with his friends, got stuck in the mud, had a friend come pull him out, but his shoes got so deep down in the mud he had to walk out of them and leave them. I was days looking for his new shoes before he told us. I am sure if the police got there before he got out he would be hiring an attorney to get him out of that ticket.

Too bad it wasn't like this when NC was left at a muddy site off Fielding. Who ever killed her couldn't deny it because their shoes would still be in the mud. That would have been perfect if that would have happened

[Bob&Bob]

Sorry - I am losing track. Who is Mary Anderson?

I think she was in the video with SC

[jilly]

Me, too.

Thanks for the support cary!:) Check your pms.

[CyberPro]

I agree he certainly would not be inclined to agree to not having a key to the car. No way, unless it happened to disappear like those passports.

This passports and purse in the car thing has been bugging me for a while. I can understand someone leaving a purse in the car. I would not personally leave something of value in the car, but my wife has done it, so I have to say how I can see that could happen, but the passport thing is different.

I just recently got a passport, and like most things that I would not like to have fall in the wrong hands, I am very careful about where it is kept. While Cary is a safe place, cars can and do get broken into, I might be a little less concerned if the car was in a garage, but if left in the driveway, there is no way I would leave things like that in there.

My car has been broken into twice, once in Raleigh while parked there for only a few hours, once out of town overnight, and my wife's car was broken into once in a Raleigh garage near the courthouse. Maybe I have very little secure feeling about leaving stuff in a car, but this just does not seem reasonable to me. Unless you are planning for a quick exit.

I would put passports in a safe depost box, safe, fire proof box inside, etc. Not just leave 'em in a car parked outside.

CyberPro

[CyberPro]

Thought this was interesting :

http://www.squawkfox.com/2008/02/13/the-cost-of-doing-an-ironman-triathlon/

Brad's hobbies weren't exactly cheap - add in he has the gym membership he references and so on - he was equally capable of spending a fair amount of money that did not benefit his family in any way it seems.

cannot take credit for this link it was brought to my attention by some really good sleuthers. Thanks ! :)

I recently joined the Lifetime Fitness gym. It is a bit more pricey than the Y, but not a great lot more. I think the monthly dues are like $130 for a family membership, but this is with the join fee waived, which was over $1000 initially. Not sure if they had to pay this, or maybe get a Cisco Discount.

Other thing that sticks in my mind is, if they had all of these budget concerns, why not take the kids out of the pre-school?? This is an expense that could easily be eliminated, it is NOT required by the state, and can be costly. If NC was a SAHM, it looks like this would be a way to increase the available money per month.

CyberPro

[RoughlyCollie]

I think the Coopers did not manage their money well. They would not have had any financial woes if they had done so -- a six figure income is more than adequate to support a family of four. The vast majority of families of that size manage to get the job done on far less income than that.

To me, it looks like money was used to keep up with the Jones' and to get back at one another. (By getting back at one another I mean that, for example, H spends a lot of money on X, so W feels justified spending a lot of money on Y.) Whatever was going on, the situation was way out of control in many respects, not just financially.

Respectfully,
RC


Other thing that sticks in my mind is, if they had all of these budget concerns, why not take the kids out of the pre-school?? This is an expense that could easily be eliminated, it is NOT required by the state, and can be costly. If NC was a SAHM, it looks like this would be a way to increase the available money per month.

CyberPro

[pamlet]

Other thing that sticks in my mind is, if they had all of these budget concerns, why not take the kids out of the pre-school?? This is an expense that could easily be eliminated, it is NOT required by the state, and can be costly. If NC was a SAHM, it looks like this would be a way to increase the available money per month.

CyberPro

You know - my 50 year old head was questioning the same thing... then I started remembering what it was like to be a young couple in the Triangle with little kids.

It's easy to be caught up in "yuppiness" (for lack of a better word) of the whole area ... we lived in Raleigh .. then Cary when my sons were small ... I remember especially when the older one was pre school age I felt it SO NECCESSARY that he go to a VERY GOOD pre school ... back then I was able to get him into one at a Methodist Church over near 5 points ... very yuppy ... laugh ... NOW I look at it and realize it probably wasn't that big of a deal ... So I can see how that the Coopers would NEVER cut that out for their kids ... Just like the neccessity of the flowers for the dance recital ... "it's the way it's done" ...

[lunarmodule]

I seem to recall the Cooper girls were in preschool three to four mornings a week. My son is starting first grade but we were in a very well-regarded church preschool in an affluent ITB area of Raleigh. His tuition was about $175/month for three days and about $210/month for four days a week. An expense, yes, but not an extravagance, IMO. Our preschool was not just babysitting or daycare. Ours had a curriculum, teacher conferences, etc. I expect the ones the Coopers attended was similar. And most of the moms at ours were SAHMs.

[piedmontmom]

Triangle Preschool Academy rates for 4 year olds --3 day/week is $315.00 per month.

The times are 9-1 pm. There is a waiting list, according to my friend, often there is a lottery type system to get in.

This is considered to be a "prestigous" program in this area.

Add to that figure above---a 2 day program for kids younger than 4 years old. There may be a sibling discount but that would typically be about 10-15%. I could easily see the monthly "daycare" figure (for 2 girls) equal to a nice monthly car payment. That is significant enough to me as a SAHM.

[lunarmodule]

Wow, that would give me a bit of pause, expense-wise, and I work full-time. But still, if I don't really have other childcare costs, I wouldn't have trouble justifying it. But then, I'm not making car payments on a 45-50K car, either. Or training for ironmans.

[cassadinechik]

Ok, been reading here for days. I just wanted to point out that I have had my pruse stolen and rifled through up the street while living in Cary. Guess what? Often I still leave my purse in the car and we never lock the car. My husband will actually leave his wallet and the car keys in the car. And this is after we have been broken into :)

[piedmontmom]

Ok, been reading here for days. I just wanted to point out that I have had my pruse stolen and rifled through up the street while living in Cary. Guess what? Often I still leave my purse in the car and we never lock the car. My husband will actually leave his wallet and the car keys in the car. And this is after we have been broken into :)

Ditto..expect the break in part. I know people that leave their garage doors open all day. I know men that also leave their wallets in their cars here in Cary. This NEVER sounded odd to me.

[cassadinechik]

Well, we were assuming the break in was a couple of teenagers, since they left all the really important stuff and just took the actual purse which was a nice leather job from that place in the mall and then they took my makeup and stuff. So, nothing that really "scared" us per say.

Also, regarding the roses for the recital and the like. It is VERY easy to become caught up in Cary. Having lived there all my life, my hubby will call me out when I start to worry that something will not live up to someone's standards. He has to retrain my ways of thinking after so many years of it :) Sure, you can live there and it never affect you, but you can get caught up in it if you let it happen to you.

[momto3kids]

Ok, been reading here for days. I just wanted to point out that I have had my pruse stolen and rifled through up the street while living in Cary. Guess what? Often I still leave my purse in the car and we never lock the car. My husband will actually leave his wallet and the car keys in the car. And this is after we have been broken into :)

If your purse was $1200 and the only $$$ you had to your name was in it would you still leave it in there at all hours? It appears NC couldn't afford to go out and buy another one right away.
We got broken into as well and just the trouble to replace all the items is not a picnic in the park. Our vehicle had a short in the alarm system so we couldn't lock our car at the time.

We discussed the purse last night trying to figure out if NC left it there or did BC place it there and the motive behind it if BC did it.

[Wyn]

Ok, been reading here for days. I just wanted to point out that I have had my pruse stolen and rifled through up the street while living in Cary. Guess what? Often I still leave my purse in the car and we never lock the car. My husband will actually leave his wallet and the car keys in the car. And this is after we have been broken into :)

I have a question and I don't want you to take it the wrong way, I'm not trying to be rude, but WHY would you leave your purse in an unlocked car?? And why would your husband leave his wallet in a car that has previously been broken into?? I realize the majority of the crime here in Cary is minor, seems to be a lot of teenagers stealing beer out of refrigerators located in garages and stuff like golf clubs. But why take the chance on having your personal info/credit cards stolen? This is one of the most common crimes that is reported by the Cary Police each week.

[cassadinechik]

The purse I had taken from the car was 100 dollars, which for me is the equivalent of 1200 dollars because I would never pay that for a purse, but yes, I still would leave it in the car. I do it now with my bankcards (all the money I have in the world), the children's social security cards, my ids, etc. So yep, I still would. And I know it is a horrible habit, but growing up in Cary my family was never overly concerned with safety. We didn't lock the doors on anything - house or car. These are habits we have tried to change, but they die hard.

[cassadinechik]

Oh, and just to follow up, I leave my cell in the car more than I leave my purse. But, I will say if I received a call Friday night from a friend on my cell, I would not trouble myself to put the cell back in the car. If that is indeed where hers was... That would seem odd if she had used it Friday night.

[piedmontmom]

I'd probably leave (and have left) my purse in the car regardless of price. To me, it's more a matter of habit than anything, except possibly a sense of trust, feeling safe in your neighborhood. I do it all the time around home or frequent haunts...like school or friends houses, etc. I see cell phones, i pods, in cars all the time. Many times, people think they'll be right back out, or they have their hands full with shopping bags, or kids or the like.
This is not peculiar to me, one bit. Again, I know PLENTY of people that leave their purses in their cars, locked or unlocked. I know the same number that leave their doors unlocked. Cary has the perception of being a safe place...kind of like it's own camelot. Those of us that live here have to admit this.

[momto3kids]

The purse I had taken from the car was 100 dollars, which for me is the equivalent of 1200 dollars because I would never pay that for a purse, but yes, I still would leave it in the car. I do it now with my bankcards (all the money I have in the world), the children's social security cards, my ids, etc. So yep, I still would. And I know it is a horrible habit, but growing up in Cary my family was never overly concerned with safety. We didn't lock the doors on anything - house or car. These are habits we have tried to change, but they die hard.

Sorry, but some habits need to be broken. When you grew up times were different than they are now.

The theft could be petty now, but there are child molesters, rape, and abductions occuring every day in our nation. What if this information got into the wrong hands? You are giving them everything they need to do this. Sure it is Cary, I live here too, but why give them the tools to do harm?

Husbands keys to gain entry to the home with children.
Keys for any other valuables they chose to take.
Calendar & address book to know where this person goes.
Time & Cost to replace items.
$$ that can't be replaced.
Pictures that can't be replaced.
Personal information....IDENTITY THEFT

[minachica]

This is just a small point, but are we sure that Nancy's Louis Vuitton purse was really $1200? I know Brad says in item 73 of his first affadavit that "Last Christmas, she [Nancy] purchased a $1,200.00 Louis Vuitton laptop case for me, but I asked her to return it." Did I miss it when Nancy's purse was valued at $1200? I'm wondering if we are confusing the two...

On a side note, I wonder if that's the first thing Brad said after he unwrapped the present ("Take it back - it's too expensive")?

[Wyn]

I'd probably leave (and have left) my purse in the car regardless of price. To me, it's more a matter of habit than anything, except possibly a sense of trust, feeling safe in your neighborhood. I do it all the time around home or frequent haunts...like school or friends houses, etc. I see cell phones, i pods, in cars all the time. Many times, people think they'll be right back out, or they have their hands full with shopping bags, or kids or the like.
This is not peculiar to me, one bit. Again, I know PLENTY of people that leave their purses in their cars, locked or unlocked. I know the same number that leave their doors unlocked. Cary has the perception of being a safe place...kind of like it's own camelot. Those of us that live here have to admit this.

I do live in Cary, in a Regency neighborhood. No one I know leaves their purse in the car. Or keys. I have to say we all do have garages but I don't leave my purse in the car in the garage either. Garage door is left up too often. Even my son, who parks his truck in the driveway, wouldn't leave anything in plain site. I guess I'd prefer to be safe than sorry.

[momto3kids]

Oh, and just to follow up, I leave my cell in the car more than I leave my purse. But, I will say if I received a call Friday night from a friend on my cell, I would not trouble myself to put the cell back in the car. If that is indeed where hers was... That would seem odd if she had used it Friday night.

The cell phone is where we were headed in discussion last night when I said the purse was a red flag for me. I don't think we came up with where the cell actually was.
I agree if the cell was in the car, why did she put it in there? Supposedly she had it at the party, why did she not take it into the home and place it with her keys on the counter?

[boxy]

Oh, and just to follow up, I leave my cell in the car more than I leave my purse. But, I will say if I received a call Friday night from a friend on my cell, I would not trouble myself to put the cell back in the car. If that is indeed where hers was... That would seem odd if she had used it Friday night.

I think the timeline might explain how the cell may have come to be in the car. All the Coopers attended a neighborhood party on Friday evening across the street from their home. BC and the girls left around bed time for the girls. NC stayed at the party and received a call from JA (presumably on her cell). NC left the party around midnight. She would have passed her car on the short walk from the party to her house, so could have put her cell in the car as she passed.

[cassadinechik]

Yeah, I would only see the cell being in the car if she left it in there when returning home in the car. I can't see placing the cell phone back in the car Friday night, if that is where it was.

And yes, momto3kids, I know it is a horrible, horrible habit. You just get swamped down with dragging a two year old in and lugging other crud, laptop bag (which amazingly I don't leave in the car, lol) and groceries and such that it is so easy to leave the purse sitting there.

And they don't need hubby's keys to get into the house since most of the time that is unlocked as well ;) But I just wanted to point out that it was not that odd, especially in Cary for people to have the behavior to leave it in there.

BTW, this is an excellent forum, I have been reading for about a week now. Now that I have quit lurking I am sure I will not hush up from here on out!

[momto3kids]

This is just a small point, but are we sure that Nancy's Louis Vuitton purse was really $1200? I know Brad says in item 73 of his first affadavit that "Last Christmas, she [Nancy] purchased a $1,200.00 Louis Vuitton laptop case for me, but I asked her to return it." Did I miss it when Nancy's purse was valued at $1200? I'm wondering if we are confusing the two...

On a side note, I wonder if that's the first thing Brad said after he unwrapped the present ("Take it back - it's too expensive")?

You have a good point. I have thought of this as well.
I'm thinking we are assuming it is a LV purse because we heard about the purse early by the media. BC affidavit came out at a later date when he mentions LV, but we were already on the path of believing it was NC purse.

[carolinalady]

I think the timeline might explain how the cell may have come to be in the car. All the Coopers attended a neighborhood party on Friday evening across the street from their home. BC and the girls left around bed time for the girls. NC stayed at the party and received a call from JA (presumably on her cell). NC left the party around midnight. She would have passed her car on the short walk from the party to her house, so could have put her cell in the car as she passed.

I was thinking maybe she put it in there in the morning IF she actually went running. You know, go ahead and put it in there, then she could get the kids and go to JA's as soon as she got back.

I've done that kind of thing before (in addition to leaving my purse in the car b/c my hands were full).

[cassadinechik]

That works carolinalady. I could see myself doing that, especially if I knew I would need to leave right away from the run to make it there in the 8-9 time frame.

[minachica]

You have a good point. I have thought of this as well.
I'm thinking we are assuming it is a LV purse because we heard about the purse early by the media. BC affidavit came out at a later date when he mentions LV, but we were already on the path of believing it was NC purse.

The media did say that they removed a LV purse from the car early on, so I'm guessing that it was hers. "Cary police said today that Brad Cooper was cooperating with them, answering questions and allowing them to search his house and cars. About 3:45 p.m., police searched the couple’s BMW sedan and BMW SUV. They also removed a Louis Vuitton purse from one of the vehicles."

I just haven't seen a price for it (could have missed it though).

Of course, her purse could well have been more than $1,200.00. I just took a peek at louisvuitton.com (http://www.louisvuitton.com) and the cheapest decently-sized purse is $635 -- and they keep going up to $4000+ :yow:. She may have thought she was economising by getting the $1200 laptop case for Brad - it's actually on the low end.

[Star12]

You have a good point. I have thought of this as well.
I'm thinking we are assuming it is a LV purse because we heard about the purse early by the media. BC affidavit came out at a later date when he mentions LV, but we were already on the path of believing it was NC purse.

I think somebody on here just pulled $1200 out of the air to illustrate that an LV bag is costly.

I am pretty sure there are two bags involved here: the LV bag that LE took from the car - a ladies handbag, and the $1200 LV laptop bag that BC told NC to return at Christmas.

If her taste runs to LV, makes perfect sense for both.

[momto3kids]

I was thinking maybe she put it in there in the morning IF she actually went running. You know, go ahead and put it in there, then she could get the kids and go to JA's as soon as she got back.

I've done that kind of thing before (in addition to leaving my purse in the car b/c my hands were full).

She still had to go inside to get the kids, her keys and her ID? that was on the counter. Why not leave the cell phone there also?
Is it because she didn't want BC looking thru her phone? I don't believe so, he had the keys to go into the car and do that if he wanted to.

I am still surprised unless I missed this ...she slept in the girls room with her keys?:waitasec: Why not the CELL PHONE?? If she was this scared the keys wouldn't be of any help if she was in trouble. The cell phone was her life line to 911.

[Sewing_Buddy]

Also, regarding the roses for the recital and the like. It is VERY easy to become caught up in Cary. Having lived there all my life, my hubby will call me out when I start to worry that something will not live up to someone's standards. He has to retrain my ways of thinking after so many years of it :) Sure, you can live there and it never affect you, but you can get caught up in it if you let it happen to you.

It's not unique to Cary, either. I see the same thing happening in the area where I live (not NC). We live in a very nice subdivision and friends around us are caught up in the spending/image and although they have a 6-figure income, they basically live "hand-to-mouth". Their income affords them the ability to get loans and the increase in home values allows the equity line of credit but one day it will catch up with them!

Luckily, my husband and I are conservative and although we enjoy a nice life, we don't spend what we don't have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[carolinalady]

She still had to go inside to get the kids, her keys and her ID? that was on the counter. Why not leave the cell phone there also?
Is it because she didn't want BC looking thru her phone? I don't believe so, he had the keys to go into the car and do that if he wanted to.

I am still surprised unless I missed this ...she slept in the girls room with her keys?:waitasec: Why not the CELL PHONE?? If she was this scared the keys wouldn't be of any help if she was in trouble. The cell phone was her life line to 911.

I was talking about the purse, not the cell phone. I don't think we know if the cell was in the car or the house. In general, I sometimes take a thing or two out of my purse and leave the purse behind. I just tuck my ID, cell, & debit card in my pocket. Maybe her purse was in the car overnight and she had her ID & cell w/ her at the party, maybe not.

Also, my one real problem w/ the statement that she slept locked in the girls room was that she left her kids w/ the man she was so fearful of. I would think that if she was truly that fearful, she would've never left them alone with him. Also, I believe her dad said they spoke often and he hadn't feared for his daughter's safety.

[cassadinechik]

Yeah, I remember that too, that her father said that he was not fearful for her or something along those lines. I will have to try to dig that up because that seemed odd to me in comparison with her friends attitudes and once we found out her dad was involved enough to be copied on her emails and the like.

[jumpstreet]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3297357/

[lunarmodule]

Gosh, I'm surprised how many people leave their purses in the car! I guess I'm paranoid. Even if I stop at the grocery store I'm reluctant to leave my laptop case in the car unless it's hidden—and that's in a locked, alarmed car in the middle of a busy Harris Teeter at 5:00! Although I guess if you had a car alarm armed, you'd worry less? I just know that the police, after a rash of car breakins in our neighborhood, warned everyone not to leave ANYTHING visible in their cars at night. Cds, cigarettes, change in the ashtray...it doesn't take much to raise curiousity and the impulse of someone looking to steal.

[momto3kids]

I am tending to believe the cell was in the car after looking at JA affidavit.
Look at #9, Jessica states BC called her and said he was trying to get a hold of Nancy, then asked for Carrie's #.

[d99gr81]

I use 'standard Vtech phones' on my VoIP line. Most VoIP services allow you to use a regular plug in or cordless phone...as long as you plug one extension into the VoIP router. My Vtech system has 1 base station, which I have plugged into my VoIP router, and 3 other extensions, which only have to be recharged in their little base stations plugged into any electrical outlet.

OK I guess I will explain this again. The Cisco VOIP phones are not like what you would use for Vonage. Vonage has a base that you can plug two regular phones into it. Cisco phone is the phone theres no adding lines..you add another phone to a data connection. OK here is how it goes. You take the Cisco phone and plug it into you Ethernet port where you normally plug you NIC for you computer into then you you take you computer Ethernet cable and plug that into the phone. The phone registers itself with the Call Manager (which is not a program but a device) It registers itself with the CM with its MAC Address. It in turn gets an IP address which allows access. That IP address is then assigned to the computer so it too can have access. many of you don't want to accept what I tell you and thats fine but I do this for a living. I assure you Fran there is NO way he can change the records. Anything deleted on the CM will be logged and he would never have the access to delete the LEC's records.

There are a few of you who have no open mind and have him guilty from the start. Many take rumors and roll with them as fact. Hey thats you prerogative. Truth is we know nothing as far as hard evidence. Everything on here is wild speculation. As for saying anything negative about NC because she was killed...sorry but he is defending himself to keep his kids... I would do the same. I have been where he has been and I can absolutely agree with defending his fatherhood and the right to keep his children. He is in a no win situation with those who have him hanging from a noose already. He doesn't say a thing and the people that bet their farms on him not fighting will say "see I told you he wouldn't even fight for them!" When he does fight for them unlike many of you thought he would...its "OH how dare he say anything bad about Nancy!"

The purse... boy I tell you I cant believe that is getting as much work as it is. My ex left her purse in the car all the time...I leave my wallet in their as well. Some people do some don't...depends on the neighborhood or if in a garage ..whatever. Not much focus is on the purse costing 1200 dollars though. Just about how he supposedly controlled... not very controlling sporting that kind of purse. He has receipts for the 45k in debt that was rang up on their credit cards. Its plain and simple to prove.

He may or may not have killed his wife. But NOTHING we have heard proves at thing. We have not one shred of hard evidence that has been made public. So I for one refuse to run with wild theories because he is a man and a husband and thats who it usually is. I refuse to stereo type to make myself feel better. Sorry if I seem snippy but frankly it scares me if I ever need a fair shot at proving myself one day.

[lunarmodule]

Hearing on Cooper warrants set for Thursday...

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3297357/

[momto3kids]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3297357/

Good Golly Miss Molly....wouldn't this be nice to see!
Jumpstreet...you are certainly on top of things:clap:

[reddress58]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3297357/
Thank you Jump & Lunar. You guys are working hard to keep us in the loop and up to date! A part of me would love to see the search warrants yet I don't want the case jeporadized.

[cochrngj]

d99gr81 stated:"What if she was jogging on HS road and got hit by a car... the person quickly got out saw that she was dead, threw her into their car and continued down HS road and took fielding knowing if was deserted back there and left her there? That fact that LE is out passing flyer's for more information."
I've had the same thought when reading posts about Holly Springs Road. If only we knew the autopsy results. Unless there is proof that she was strangled, or search of the home provided other proof that death occurred in the home, this might explain the police handing out fliers on HS road Sat. am. Another explanation is to see if anyone saw either of their cars in the area prior to/post Brad dumping the body. Is this theory too far-fetched???

[Roy23]

OK I guess I will explain this again. The Cisco VOIP phones are not like what you would use for Vonage. Vonage has a base that you can plug two regular phones into it. Cisco phone is the phone theres no adding lines..you add another phone to a data connection. OK here is how it goes. You take the Cisco phone and plug it into you Ethernet port where you normally plug you NIC for you computer into then you you take you computer Ethernet cable and plug that into the phone. The phone registers itself with the Call Manager (which is not a program but a device) It registers itself with the CM with its MAC Address. It in turn gets an IP address which allows access. That IP address is then assigned to the computer so it too can have access. many of you don't want to accept what I tell you and thats fine but I do this for a living. I assure you Fran there is NO way he can change the records. Anything deleted on the CM will be logged and he would never have the access to delete the LEC's records.

There are a few of you who have no open mind and have him guilty from the start. Many take rumors and roll with them as fact. Hey thats you prerogative. Truth is we know nothing as far as hard evidence. Everything on here is wild speculation. As for saying anything negative about NC because she was killed...sorry but he is defending himself to keep his kids... I would do the same. I have been where he has been and I can absolutely agree with defending his fatherhood and the right to keep his children. He is in a no win situation with those who have him hanging from a noose already. He doesn't say a thing and the people that bet their farms on him not fighting will say "see I told you he wouldn't even fight for them!" When he does fight for them unlike many of you thought he would...its "OH how dare he say anything bad about Nancy!"

The purse... boy I tell you I cant believe that is getting as much work as it is. My ex left her purse in the car all the time...I leave my wallet in their as well. Some people do some don't...depends on the neighborhood or if in a garage ..whatever. Not much focus is on the purse costing 1200 dollars though. Just about how he supposedly controlled... not very controlling sporting that kind of purse. He has receipts for the 45k in debt that was rang up on their credit cards. Its plain and simple to prove.

He may or may not have killed his wife. But NOTHING we have heard proves at thing. We have not one shred of hard evidence that has been made public. So I for one refuse to run with wild theories because he is a man and a husband and thats who it usually is. I refuse to stereo type to make myself feel better. Sorry if I seem snippy but frankly it scares me if I ever need a fair shot at proving myself one day.


I agree with you 100%. I understand that 80 to 90% of these cases end up with the husband guilty but some here have Brad convicted already. CarolinaLady has done a great job analyzing many statements from neighbors that just do not add up. I really believe that many statements have been overexaggerated. Mr. Cooper is cooperating fully and his statements are very direct. If he is lying, it will be a piece of cake for police to tear him apart. There have been so many odd unsolved murders in North Carolina and I think we should wait until information is released before we say too much good or bad.

[momto3kids]

There are a few of you who have no open mind and have him guilty from the start.

The purse... boy I tell you I cant believe that is getting as much work as it is. Not much focus is on the purse costing 1200 dollars though.

Lets see..I have never said he was guilty. I have been on the fence the whole time waiting for some facts to come out. My very 1st post I did say "I think the husband might have some involvement." This morning I posted some are wondering if she had someone else since she stayed out late at night. Again, I AM ON THE FENCE about BC.

We have talked about a $1200 purse today, trying to figure out who's item it actually was.

Sometimes you have to take the puzzle piece by piece to get the picture. I would say this involves the purse and cell phone as well. Do you know if it was normal for NC to leave her purse in the car? Do you know if she carried her cell phone for her jogs? NO...none of us do. This is why we are here trying to put our heads together since these 2 items I assume are significant in the investigation. These 2 items were noted in the media so it is being discussed. If the vacuum was was mentioned we would be talking about that as well.

It is all small talk at the moment since we have NO new news. What would you expect us to be discussing since nothing breaking has come to light?:confused:

[RoughlyCollie]

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3297357/

Hearing Thursday about whether search warrants should be made public.

[raisincharlie]

Good, I am glad to hear someone reporting in on this. Do you know if a dog was used to attemp to try and track her from her home ( last place she was known to be)? If they were able to pick up her scent and follow her from there? Was this tried? What happened? I can't believe the media has not had much more to say on this subject.

Just to add to wirehair's post:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3197372/

"National Guard pilots, police dogs and friends searched Sunday for a jogger who went missing a day earlier. Officers out here on foot, we've had a great number of those out here. We've had K9 out here," Capt. Michael Williams said. "We have had assistance from the National Guard that have flown routes for us in helicopters."

[cassadinechik]

Ah, d99gr81, I too am not ready to find him guilty. I am a degreed computer scientist and my hubby is a "phone man" and we also find the fact that he could pull that off ridiculous from the get go, so I am more than ready to believe you :)

There is so little you are going to get away with system wise without leaving a trail. As it seems you all have seen before with the cases I have heard mentioned where cell towers brought people down. This same data trail would follow Brad as well and he would certainly know a data trial would live. More reason I would think he didn't lie about those records.

[carolinalady]

OK I guess I will explain this again. The Cisco VOIP phones are not like what you would use for Vonage. Vonage has a base that you can plug two regular phones into it. Cisco phone is the phone theres no adding lines..you add another phone to a data connection. OK here is how it goes. You take the Cisco phone and plug it into you Ethernet port where you normally plug you NIC for you computer into then you you take you computer Ethernet cable and plug that into the phone. The phone registers itself with the Call Manager (which is not a program but a device) It registers itself with the CM with its MAC Address. It in turn gets an IP address which allows access. That IP address is then assigned to the computer so it too can have access. many of you don't want to accept what I tell you and thats fine but I do this for a living. I assure you Fran there is NO way he can change the records. Anything deleted on the CM will be logged and he would never have the access to delete the LEC's records.

There are a few of you who have no open mind and have him guilty from the start. Many take rumors and roll with them as fact. Hey thats you prerogative. Truth is we know nothing as far as hard evidence. Everything on here is wild speculation. As for saying anything negative about NC because she was killed...sorry but he is defending himself to keep his kids... I would do the same. I have been where he has been and I can absolutely agree with defending his fatherhood and the right to keep his children. He is in a no win situation with those who have him hanging from a noose already. He doesn't say a thing and the people that bet their farms on him not fighting will say "see I told you he wouldn't even fight for them!" When he does fight for them unlike many of you thought he would...its "OH how dare he say anything bad about Nancy!"

The purse... boy I tell you I cant believe that is getting as much work as it is. My ex left her purse in the car all the time...I leave my wallet in their as well. Some people do some don't...depends on the neighborhood or if in a garage ..whatever. Not much focus is on the purse costing 1200 dollars though. Just about how he supposedly controlled... not very controlling sporting that kind of purse. He has receipts for the 45k in debt that was rang up on their credit cards. Its plain and simple to prove.

He may or may not have killed his wife. But NOTHING we have heard proves at thing. We have not one shred of hard evidence that has been made public. So I for one refuse to run with wild theories because he is a man and a husband and thats who it usually is. I refuse to stereo type to make myself feel better. Sorry if I seem snippy but frankly it scares me if I ever need a fair shot at proving myself one day.

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge of th Cisco VoIP system.

As I've stated, I didn't get the same feeling about BC as I have about numerous other spouses in murder cases. I'm just not sure. I'm waiting to see what is confirmed/refuted in his statements.

As for his training log. Another poster searched to see if BC actually registered for any of those triathlons. He had not. Now, as far as his "training" log. I don't know. His last blog entry was from Jan 2008. I didn't go back through his training log, but I do recall there being some actual time logged for this year. I guess some of that can be perception. Maybe BC didn't feel the amount of exercise he did amounted to "true training." Him not participating in events in 2008 and the lack of blog entries regarding training past that January entry does seem to match w/ #69 of his affidavit (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/24/3262439/brad_cooper_affidavit.pdf). Of course, he obviously did some exercise towards his goals and that definitely contradicts his statement in the rebuttal affidavit.

[momto3kids]

I agree with you 100%. I understand that 80 to 90% of these cases end up with the husband guilty but some here have Brad convicted already. CarolinaLady has done a great job analyzing many statements from neighbors that just do not add up. I really believe that many statements have been overexaggerated. Mr. Cooper is cooperating fully and his statements are very direct. If he is lying, it will be a piece of cake for police to tear him apart. There have been so many odd unsolved murders in North Carolina and I think we should wait until information is released before we say too much good or bad.

I agree that it appears BC is cooperating fully. I want nothing more then to see the 2 little girls raised by at least 1 natural parent since the other is not alive. He needs to fight for them, they are his children. If he is the person he states and innocent I want to see nothing more. If he is the person NC friends have painted of him, then I do NOT think it is in the childrens best interest.

Two days ago someone (who knows nothing about the case) looked at the affidavits. All that was said, "the court will have a hay day with the paintiffs." Most everything is 'hear say' and they are all over the map on their stories. Example is, NC had $50, $80, $300 a week. They all seem to think he left for a long trip to Europe, he proved that wrong. JA claims there was NO boat show when actually there was. It appeared to this person the friends had days to compare stories and reminisce taking bits and pieces of the conversations and trying to make them truth.

As for the affidavits.....there certainly are some lies in them. It will all come out who is being truthful in them.

I don't know who has BC guilty without doubt, but they are entitled to their opinion. Me, I am on the fence patiently waiting.

[momto3kids]

[QUOTE=lunarmodule;2428956]Hearing on Cooper warrants set for Thursday...

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3297357/[/QUOTE

How is this conducted? Does the public get to be in on this type of thing?

[cassadinechik]

BTW, any one else here in town heard the stabbing rumor? I realize it is just pure rumor, but I heard it from multiple places last week and I saw it on the board here yesterday. It is all over with people I talk to, but I have no proof or anything. I was just wondering how much steam it has built?

[momto3kids]

BTW, any one else here in town heard the stabbing rumor? I realize it is just pure rumor, but I heard it from multiple places last week and I saw it on the board here yesterday. It is all over with people I talk to, but I have no proof or anything. I was just wondering how much steam it has built?

Wasn't the person who posted it on here yesterday saying it was being spoken about at Cisco? Let me go look and see if I can find it.

[cassadinechik]

It was, the one I read yesterday said it was at Cisco. But I have heard it from places outside Cisco, one was also in the park (RTP for the out of towners) and one from downtown Raleigh (where I work), but they may all stem from the same place. I just found it weird I heard it and then it was on the board. But, I do guess many of us live in the same town and know people at Cisco...

[raisincharlie]

BTW, any one else here in town heard the stabbing rumor? I realize it is just pure rumor, but I heard it from multiple places last week and I saw it on the board here yesterday. It is all over with people I talk to, but I have no proof or anything. I was just wondering how much steam it has built?

I believe last week there was a rumor about blunt force trauma, not saying the poster who posted that was wrong and not meaning to be disrespectful in any way to them. There are going to be such rumors until LE releases the COD. Right now COD could be any number of things. IMO for LE to reclassify as a homocide in such short order after finding Nancy, the COD was pretty easy to determine despite the condition of the body.

Respectfully, there are just over 13,000 members on this board, they come not only from the United States but from around the world. One of the intents of this forum is to sleuth out the possible suspects, sorry some find that offensive, but it is what it is. I seriously have doubts that 13,000 people from around the world are going to make any kind of dent in the effectiveness of the U.S. justice system or anyone's right to a fair trial for that matter. I have my opinion about this case, definitely do not suffer tunnel vision nor any of the other items referenced. I will not apologize for my opinion at this point nor will I avoid saying what I believe to be.

When this case is solved, if my opinion is incorrect, I will apologize as will many others.

[cassadinechik]

I agree that COD must have been fairly obvious with the quick turnaround to rule it a homicide. And murder as well. What is the difference legally between just homicide and murder? Intent? Because you have vehicular homicide where this can be intent, right? I don't know, I am just wondering.

[raisincharlie]

DogWood brought to my attention the following:

'the sealing order was apparently issued before the SW's were served or executed'

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/200....rch_warrant.pdf (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/200....rch_warrant.pdf)

I don't recall ever hearing that a sealing order was issued before a search warrant was even served. Could be wrong but this seems very unusual to me. Long time WS experts - ever hear of this before ?

ETA - that link does not seem to work:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/29/3297396/19432-Memorandum_of_law.pdf

and this one:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/29/3297397/19433-Motion_to_unseal_search_warrant.pdf

[d99gr81]

Lets see..I have never said he was guilty. I have been on the fence the whole time waiting for some facts to come out. My very 1st post I did say "I think the husband might have some involvement." This morning I posted some are wondering if she had someone else since she stayed out late at night. Again, I AM ON THE FENCE about BC.

We have talked about a $1200 purse today, trying to figure out who's item it actually was.

Sometimes you have to take the puzzle piece by piece to get the picture. I would say this involves the purse and cell phone as well. Do you know if it was normal for NC to leave her purse in the car? Do you know if she carried her cell phone for her jogs? NO...none of us do. This is why we are here trying to put our heads together since these 2 items I assume are significant in the investigation. These 2 items were noted in the media so it is being discussed. If the vacuum was was mentioned we would be talking about that as well.

It is all small talk at the moment since we have NO new news. What would you expect us to be discussing since nothing breaking has come to light?:confused:

I am not saying everyone on here has him guilty but many do. I will not single anyone out but just stating when people say Brad did this or Brad did that thats what I mean. Again I have no idea but like another poster whom agreed with stated... Many case are the husband but this definitely has a different feel. Well I am taking off for the evening you all have a great night. I will check in again tomorrow...it takes me the whole day to work and catch up with all the posts!

[Roy23]

I believe last week there was a rumor about blunt force trauma, not saying the poster who posted that was wrong and not meaning to be disrespectful in any way to them. There are going to be such rumors until LE releases the COD. Right now COD could be any number of things. IMO for LE to reclassify as a homocide in such short order after finding Nancy, the COD was pretty easy to determine despite the condition of the body.

Respectfully, there are just over 13,000 members on this board, they come not only from the United States but from around the world. One of the intents of this forum is to sleuth out the possible suspects, sorry some find that offensive, but it is what it is. I seriously have doubts that 13,000 people from around the world are going to make any kind of dent in the effectiveness of the U.S. justice system or anyone's right to a fair trial for that matter. I have my opinion about this case, definitely do not suffer tunnel vision nor any of the other items referenced. I will not apologize for my opinion at this point nor will I avoid saying what I believe to be.

When this case is solved, if my opinion is incorrect, I will apologize as will many others.


No need to apologize either way. I think it brings more to the board, though, when opinions are based on fact. Many opinions now are based on hearsay that contridicts the facts. But you are right, none of it affects the justice system unless you are sitting on a jury. It would be nice if we had more information. LE in a few cases in North Carolina right now have shut off the leaks.

The following cases in North Carolina are very eerie:

Irina Yarmolenko
Megan Touma
Nancy Cooper

I don't know that they are connected but North Carolina has had its share of strange murders recently.

[carolinalady]

WRAL has links to the requests on line.

I went back and re-read the original order to seal (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/21/3243170/20080721135525210.pdf).

JTF and I debated as to why it would've been sealed. My initial argument was that they can be sealed b/c of an ongoing investigation. When looking at Judge Stephens order, it states that it could be that as well.

The date on Stephens' order is 7/16. I'll have to look at the document you posted RC.

ETA: Motion to Unseal (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/29/3297397/19433-Motion_to_unseal_search_warrant.pdf), Memorandum of Law (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/29/3297396/19432-Memorandum_of_law.pdf), Letter Requesting Hearing (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/29/3297395/19431-Judge_Stephens_letter.pdf)

[momto3kids]

I can be totally wrong, so correct me on this if I am......

If a weapon was used it would have been the 1st item the search team would be looking for at BC's. If found an immediate arrest would have occured. It didn't happen.

If a weapon was used and not located at BC's and LE is not positive who killed NC they would still be searching the area for the item. Wouldn't we then be told to keep our eyes open for anything or anyone suspicious?

[raisincharlie]

I can be totally wrong, so correct me on this if I am......

If a weapon was used it would have been the 1st item the search team would be looking for at BC's. If found an immediate arrest would have occured. It didn't happen.

If a weapon was used and not located at BC's and LE is not positive who killed NC they would still be searching the area for the item. Wouldn't we then be told to keep our eyes open for anything or anyone suspicious?


Why would there be an immediate arrest? I do not believe LE would be able to simply look at an item and decide it was the weapon. They make think something is but until it is proven to be the weapon - an immediate arrest is out of the question. Proving it takes time.

I would guess LE would still be looking for it. LE was passing out fliers again last weekend.

[raisincharlie]

No need to apologize either way. I think it brings more to the board, though, when opinions are based on fact. Many opinions now are based on hearsay that contridicts the facts. But you are right, none of it affects the justice system unless you are sitting on a jury. It would be nice if we had more information. LE in a few cases in North Carolina right now have shut off the leaks.

The following cases in North Carolina are very eerie:

Irina Yarmolenko
Megan Touma
Nancy Cooper

I don't know that they are connected but North Carolina has had its share of strange murders recently.

Add Michelle Young - another non random brutal murder which there has been no arrest made. LE informed Enchanted Oaks dwellers not to worry but almost 2 years later still no resolution.

[Roy23]

Add Michelle Young - another non random brutal murder which there has been no arrest made. LE informed Enchanted Oaks dwellers not to worry but almost 2 years later still no resolution.


Is this the case where her husband lawyered up immediately and did not assist LE at all? I will read up on this one soon.

[raisincharlie]

Is this the case where her husband lawyered up immediately and did not assist LE at all? I will read up on this one soon.

Yes. Oddly enough - the last activity we are aware of by LE was serving search warrants in Feb 08 on his sister's and mother's house where he has been living . Those warrants are also sealed, unlike many of the early ones. Strange.

[RaleighNC]

I think the fact the LE is still "looking" is a double edged sword.

On one hand, if BC gets charged and they HAD NOT kept looking, BC's attorney's would accuse them of not exhausting other leads and focusing their investigation solely on BC, ignoring that "someone else" could have killed her.

On the other hand, now that they are "still looking" and they arrest BC, the attorneys will ask "If you are so sure that it's Brad, why were you still looking for the killer as recently as the weekend of 7/26????"

It also goes to show me that NOTHING about this case will be a slam dunk and it concerns me about the strength of their case and real / physical evidence.

As far as the rebuttal affidavit, BC had no choice. I figure that NC was like a lot of us and that we share the kvetching about our husbands FAR MORE than we share the good stuff. ;-) She also appears to not have really gone without - despite claims from EVERYONE that she wasn't getting enough money to feed and care for the children - why don't ANY of the friends' affidavits say THEY GAVE HER MONEY? Supposedly SOMEONE was - if not them, who? Could she have been exaggerating? Making him appear worse than he was?

I am also not totally buying the fear and controlling issue. Having been in a BAD relationship where I just wanted OUT and he was verbally abusive - I DID NOT provoke him. Many items in that separation agreement were pokes at him - having a high powered attorney on your side is not something someone that is that "controlled" does - and SOMETHING would have been done if in fact she was that scared that she was sleeping in her kids room with the door locked. There are not allegations of physical abuse - so why that reaction? I think that this separation was going to get VERY ugly and Nancy wasn't the meek, mild and controlled person that everyone is making her out to be. She had way too much freedom to run, bring the kids around, spend many hours with friends, vacation with her family, vacation with another family (and another woman's husband) etc to play the controlled spouse here. Women being "controlled" don't get to have these kind of relationships - they are usually CUT OFF from anyone that could help them - because it's easier to keep them down that way.

ALL this being said - I think he is the most likely killer and will be arrested.

[raisincharlie]

I think the fact the LE is still "looking" is a double edged sword.

On one hand, if BC gets charged and they HAD NOT kept looking, BC's attorney's would accuse them of not exhausting other leads and focusing their investigation solely on BC, ignoring that "someone else" could have killed her.

On the other hand, now that they are "still looking" and they arrest BC, the attorneys will ask "If you are so sure that it's Brad, why were you still looking for the killer as recently as the weekend of 7/26????"

It also goes to show me that NOTHING about this case will be a slam dunk and it concerns me about the strength of their case and real / physical evidence.

As far as the rebuttal affidavit, BC had no choice. I figure that NC was like a lot of us and that we share the kvetching about our husbands FAR MORE than we share the good stuff. ;-) She also appears to not have really gone without - despite claims from EVERYONE that she wasn't getting enough money to feed and care for the children - why don't ANY of the friends' affidavits say THEY GAVE HER MONEY? Supposedly SOMEONE was - if not them, who? Could she have been exaggerating? Making him appear worse than he was?

I am also not totally buying the fear and controlling issue. Having been in a BAD relationship where I just wanted OUT and he was verbally abusive - I DID NOT provoke him. Many items in that separation agreement were pokes at him - having a high powered attorney on your side is not something someone that is that "controlled" does - and SOMETHING would have been done if in fact she was that scared that she was sleeping in her kids room with the door locked. There are not allegations of physical abuse - so why that reaction? I think that this separation was going to get VERY ugly and Nancy wasn't the meek, mild and controlled person that everyone is making her out to be. She had way too much freedom to run, bring the kids around, spend many hours with friends, vacation with her family, vacation with another family (and another woman's husband) etc to play the controlled spouse here. Women being "controlled" don't get to have these kind of relationships - they are usually CUT OFF from anyone that could help them - because it's easier to keep them down that way.

ALL this being said - I think he is the most likely killer and will be arrested.

I think there is a lot of sniping on both sides - seems to be a common thing where separation and divorce are concerned. My thought is that since Brad wanted them to leave in April - even he says that - and then changed his mind - Brad was going to go for full custody of those kids and wasn't about to surrender anything to Nancy - which of course would add several gallons of fuel to the fire...

[raisincharlie]

I have a feeling - things are about to get very interesting indeed.

[Blondieskatz]

That works carolinalady. I could see myself doing that, especially if I knew I would need to leave right away from the run to make it there in the 8-9 time frame.

I leave my purse and the bag that I use at work in my car everyday along with the keys. That way in the mornings when I'm ready to leave I'm not trying to carry my coffee and both bags and find my keys. I just go out and get in the car. But, my car is in a garage. This is a habit for me and I catch myself doing this when I don't park my car in the garage. I also have a tendency to leave my cell in the car, when I'm home I use the land line so I don't need my cell.

She could've put her purse and her cell in the car because when she returned from her run she didn't want to go back into the house. Maybe because she would've felt hurried, got hung up with one of the kids or didn't want to have to deal with BC. Or they were in there from the night before.

[Zoe]

I have a feeling - things are about to get very interesting indeed.

hi, everyone - i'm new after lurking for a couple of weeks. i just heard on the news that LE will be searching Cisco -
here's the link -- legal expert stated in advertisement for 6 o'clock news that now BC can be considered a suspect --

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6294423

[Roy23]

I think the fact the LE is still "looking" is a double edged sword.

On one hand, if BC gets charged and they HAD NOT kept looking, BC's attorney's would accuse them of not exhausting other leads and focusing their investigation solely on BC, ignoring that "someone else" could have killed her.

On the other hand, now that they are "still looking" and they arrest BC, the attorneys will ask "If you are so sure that it's Brad, why were you still looking for the killer as recently as the weekend of 7/26????"

It also goes to show me that NOTHING about this case will be a slam dunk and it concerns me about the strength of their case and real / physical evidence.

As far as the rebuttal affidavit, BC had no choice. I figure that NC was like a lot of us and that we share the kvetching about our husbands FAR MORE than we share the good stuff. ;-) She also appears to not have really gone without - despite claims from EVERYONE that she wasn't getting enough money to feed and care for the children - why don't ANY of the friends' affidavits say THEY GAVE HER MONEY? Supposedly SOMEONE was - if not them, who? Could she have been exaggerating? Making him appear worse than he was?

I am also not totally buying the fear and controlling issue. Having been in a BAD relationship where I just wanted OUT and he was verbally abusive - I DID NOT provoke him. Many items in that separation agreement were pokes at him - having a high powered attorney on your side is not something someone that is that "controlled" does - and SOMETHING would have been done if in fact she was that scared that she was sleeping in her kids room with the door locked. There are not allegations of physical abuse - so why that reaction? I think that this separation was going to get VERY ugly and Nancy wasn't the meek, mild and controlled person that everyone is making her out to be. She had way too much freedom to run, bring the kids around, spend many hours with friends, vacation with her family, vacation with another family (and another woman's husband) etc to play the controlled spouse here. Women being "controlled" don't get to have these kind of relationships - they are usually CUT OFF from anyone that could help them - because it's easier to keep them down that way.

ALL this being said - I think he is the most likely killer and will be arrested.


Yeah you are probably right. It is an interesting case. Nancy did seem to have a whole lot of freedom and a wild imagination. In a way, I could see numerous different scenarios of Nancy's death. Her friends seemed awfully worried about her but their facts are inconsistant with Nancy's life.

[Roy23]

hi, everyone - i'm new after lurking for a couple of weeks. i just heard on the news that LE will be searching Cisco -
here's the link -- legal expert stated in advertisement for 6 o'clock news that now BC can be considered a suspect --

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6294423


I guess that LE is onto something now. I wonder what would be on his computer. Maybe a murder for hire possibility?

[RaleighNC]

With Cisco being searched - I would say that things will be coming to a head shortly.

Don't ya just know the Cisco execs are absolutely dam(n)ing the day they hired him???? Every time that pic of him in the Cisco hat gets shown somewhere a Cisco PR person visibly cringes.

[raisincharlie]

hi, everyone - i'm new after lurking for a couple of weeks. i just heard on the news that LE will be searching Cisco -
here's the link -- legal expert stated in advertisement for 6 o'clock news that now BC can be considered a suspect --

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6294423


Thanks Zoe - appreciate it very much. Welcome !


Must say - uh oh ! And a third warrant - also sealed - wow.

[lunarmodule]

With Cisco being searched - I would say that things will be coming to a head shortly.

Don't ya just know the Cisco execs are absolutely dam(n)ing the day they hired him???? Every time that pic of him in the Cisco hat gets shown somewhere a Cisco PR person visibly cringes.


Word, Raleigh. My guess is they may institute some new policies regarding company swag, i.e., "Please refrain from wearing Cisco attire at events or conferences conducted by any police or law enforcement agency."

[RaleighNC]

Word, Raleigh. My guess is they may institute some new policies regarding company swag, i.e., "Please refrain from wearing Cisco attire at events or conferences conducted by any police or law enforcement agency."

Suppose that's more politically correct than saying "If you kill your wife, don't wear our logo." :crazy:

You crack me up.

[lunarmodule]

Suppose that's more politically correct than saying "If you kill your wife, don't wear our logo." :crazy:

You crack me up.

I'm nothing if not PC.

[The Saint]

Suppose that's more politically correct than saying "If you kill your wife, don't wear our logo." :crazy:

You crack me up.


or....


"Don't wear our logo while killing your wife."

[Onescout]

Geez, one goes away for a long weekend vacay and %#$&* hits the fan! Wonderful to hear LE is searching BC's office, they should also search his locker at the gym (if he has one).
Chances are, they are looking for computer related evidence...phone call evidence, a Things to do murder list, the possiblities are endless.
Tying up loose ends , moving in....

I guess we will all relive this when it goes to trial.


I know , I know , BC is innocent until proven guilty, but the old adage "If it walks like a duck...." just keeps coming to mind in this case.

I was the one person who thought BC would've been charged quickly and was somewhat taken aback that he wasn't.
Since he has lawyered up, it does drag on.

I think there is great national AND international pressure on the LE to sew this up and not let BC walk from this.

OJ taught us that it isn't always a slam dunk on motive, or time frame.

Where's Bugliosi when you need him?!?!?

[The Saint]

i think that LE will also be trying to find evidence that brad was using
Cisco's Voice Over Internet Protocol software to monitor and disconnect nancy's calls to her friends as stated by one of her friend's in her affidavit.

he would know what she was up to while working from his office.

[outside_of_apex]

Is this the case where her husband lawyered up immediately and did not assist LE at all? I will read up on this one soon.

Actually, this would have been the best thing he could have done, especially if he's innocent. Here's (http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/28/law-prof-and-cop-agr.html) an explanation why. It's long but fascinating.

[Bob&Bob]

i think that LE will also be trying to find evidence that brad was using
Cisco's Voice Over Internet Protocol software to monitor and disconnect nancy's calls to her friends as stated by one of her friend's in her affidavit.

he would know what she was up to while working from his office.

He would huh?

Don't worry. I'm leaving soon. Witness my next few posts. I'm sure the server will go down or we'll be
attacked by the Starship Enterprise.

[The Saint]

blunt force trauma.
do you think it's possible that brad mowed nancy down with one of the cars while she was jogging?

would there always be a dent on the front of the car? the investigators were looking under the car, i assumed for dirt or shrubs that matched the area were nancy's body was found.

maybe they found evidence under the wheels that he ran her down. maybe the bleach he bought was to try to wash off his tires and under carriage.

[The Saint]

He would huh?

Don't worry. I'm leaving soon. Witness my next few posts. I'm sure the server will go down or we'll be
attacked by the Starship Enterprise.


does Cisco know you're posting on company time?

[The Saint]

if you know scott heider, tell him his affidavit make him look like a total jerk.
TIA

(scott is an A-hole but brad is the one who killed his wife)

[The Saint]

brad may have been using other software (other than any cisco software or hardware)
to spy on nancy. there is a reason she was using her cellphone and not the line at the house.

[jilly]

I have a feeling - things are about to get very interesting indeed.

Why? What do you know?:D

[raisincharlie]

Why? What do you know?:D


:blowkiss:



Zoe helped me out !

[Bob&Bob]

does Cisco know you're posting on company time?


Excuse me?

[fran]

I put this on the media thread. You all saw this right?
IF it's already been posted here, sorry.

fran

More warrents in Nancy Cooper murder

By Ed CrumpCARY (WTVD) -- More search warrants have been served in the murder case of Nancy Cooper, including one for her husband's office at Cisco systems in RTP.

The warrants are sealed and they do not say much in writing. But one legal expert says they speak "volumes" about where the case is headed.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6294423

[The Saint]

in your response to my post, you seemed to feign incredulity at the idea that brad could and did monitor his wife's calls while he was at work or a remote location. not only is it within the realm of possibility, it probably happened.





Quote:
Originally Posted by The Saint http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2429713#post2429713)
i think that LE will also be trying to find evidence that brad was using
Cisco's Voice Over Internet Protocol software to monitor and disconnect nancy's calls to her friends as stated by one of her friend's in her affidavit.

he would know what she was up to while working from his office.

Bob&Bob said:
He would huh?

________

as for the starship enterprise crack, who knows what you meant?

unless it was about the slow server.

[raisincharlie]

I put this on the media thread. You all saw this right?
IF it's already been posted here, sorry.

fran

More warrents in Nancy Cooper murder

By Ed CrumpCARY (WTVD) -- More search warrants have been served in the murder case of Nancy Cooper, including one for her husband's office at Cisco systems in RTP.

The warrants are sealed and they do not say much in writing. But one legal expert says they speak "volumes" about where the case is headed.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6294423


Fran,

have you ever seen this situation before - the warrants being sealed before they are served ?

Seems to me since the new warrants were also sealed and issued to Cisco - BC's lawyer and BC himself won't even get a gander at the one served for his office at Cisco. Hardball.

[Onescout]

in your response to my post, you seemed to feign incredulity at the idea that brad could and did monitor his wife's calls while he was at work or a remote location. not only is it within the realm of possibility, it probably happened.





Quote:
Originally Posted by The Saint http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2429713#post2429713)
i think that LE will also be trying to find evidence that brad was using
Cisco's Voice Over Internet Protocol software to monitor and disconnect nancy's calls to her friends as stated by one of her friend's in her affidavit.

he would know what she was up to while working from his office.

Bob&Bob said:
He would huh?

________

as for the starship enterprise crack, who knows what you meant?

unless it was about the slow server.

True that Saint...

[The Saint]

I put this on the media thread. You all saw this right?
IF it's already been posted here, sorry.

fran

More warrents in Nancy Cooper murder

By Ed CrumpCARY (WTVD) -- More search warrants have been served in the murder case of Nancy Cooper, including one for her husband's office at Cisco systems in RTP.

The warrants are sealed and they do not say much in writing. But one legal expert says they speak "volumes" about where the case is headed.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6294423


thanks for the link, fran. they are searching brad's computers at his office at cisco. it would not be surprising to find evidence that he could monitor nancy's call from the house (per the affidavit by her friend).

excerpt from the link fran supplied:

"In order to even acquire a warrant to search a separate place connected to an individual there has to be probable cause for a judge to believe that that individual was connected with the commission of an offense and evidence would be found there," he said.
Knudsen, a former prosecutor and longtime defense attorney, suspects one of the things the search at Cisco concentrated on was Cooper's computers. Exactly what, if anything was turned up on Cooper is sealed up in the search warrant.
"It's pretty clear now that he's a suspect. Not just a person of interest, but a suspect," Knudsen said.

[fran]

Fran,

have you ever seen this situation before - the warrants being sealed before they are served ?

Seems to me since the new warrants were also sealed and issued to Cisco - BC's lawyer and BC himself won't even get a gander at the one served for his office at Cisco. Hardball.

To be honest charlie, I never paid all that much attention before. So, it's unusual?

Gosh! You don't think they're going into Cisco to look at his VoIP stuff do you? You know the system that his WIFE and her friends said he was keeping track of her calls and hanging up the home phone line from the office?

Oh, yeah, he wouldn't do that because IF LE looked there would be traces of his actions. Soooooo, of course he told the truth in his affidavits. :eek:

As IF!!!!!!:rolleyes:

We'll see, yes indeed,;)
fran

[Onescout]

I hope they judge denies bail. That's where I'm heading on this one.

[SleuthyGal]

I said this elsewhere, but just because there's a search warrant or 2 or 3 doesn't mean they're actually FINDING any evidence with which to arrest and then convict. I mean one hopes they are finding evidence that will lead them to the perp...but just issuing a warrant doesn't mean they will find evidence.

[fran]

thanks for the link, fran. they are searching brad's computers at his office at cisco. it would not be surprising to find evidence that he could monitor nancy's call from the house (per the affidavit by her friend).

excerpt from the link fran supplied:

"In order to even acquire a warrant to search a separate place connected to an individual there has to be probable cause for a judge to believe that that individual was connected with the commission of an offense and evidence would be found there," he said.
Knudsen, a former prosecutor and longtime defense attorney, suspects one of the things the search at Cisco concentrated on was Cooper's computers. Exactly what, if anything was turned up on Cooper is sealed up in the search warrant.
"It's pretty clear now that he's a suspect. Not just a person of interest, but a suspect," Knudsen said.


Well, you know, as so many said to me the other day, he HAD to have done away with his home VoIP stuff like he said in his affidavit. I mean, after all, it's traceable. So, his affidavits HAD TO BE TRUTHFUL.

Yes it is traceable! My bet is, he didn't think they'd look! :waitasec: Ahhhh....but they are. :eek:

JMHO
fran

[Onescout]

It's not unusual to seal a warrant , especially in high profile cases.

"The News & Observer reported Monday that Wake County Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens said in an order issued last week that releasing information contained in the warrants could jeopardize the prospects for a fair trial."

[The Saint]

i don't think that the warrants are sealed to brad, cisco and their attorneys--- only the public.

LE sealed the last 2 SWs served on jason young's family residences where he had been staying (younger sister and mother's houses ) on feb 14th, 2008. the youngs got copies of the SWs as they were being served and their homes searched.

they are free to discuss those warrants publicly if they choose. they have chosen not to talk about the contents of the SWs and probable cause linking jason to the murder.

the SWs remain under seal from the public. there may be more that we don't know about in the murder case of michelle young.

[Onescout]

i don't think that the warrants are sealed to brad, cisco and their attorneys--- only the public.

LE sealed the last 2 SWs served on jason young's family residences where he had been staying (younger sister and mother's houses ) on feb 14th, 2008. the youngs got copies of the SWs as they were being served and their homes searched.

they are free to discuss those warrants publicly if they choose. they have chosen not to talk about the contents of the SWs and probable cause linking jason to the murder.

the SWs remain under seal from the public. there may be more that we don't know about in the murder case of michelle young.

TO add to Saint's reply, the warrants are sealed until an inventory is made by LE, and then it can be made available to the public.

[raisincharlie]

To be honest charlie, I never paid all that much attention before. So, it's unusual?

Gosh! You don't think they're going into Cisco to look at his VoIP stuff do you? You know the system that his WIFE and her friends said he was keeping track of her calls and hanging up the home phone line from the office?

Oh, yeah, he wouldn't do that because IF LE looked there would be traces of his actions. Soooooo, of course he told the truth in his affidavits. :eek:

As IF!!!!!!:rolleyes:

We'll see, yes indeed,;)
fran

Fran,

I didn't word that right. Typically a warrant can be sealed and served, however, public law also requires that a reason must be provided for why the warrant was sealed. Are you aware of any other cases where warrants have been sealed without cause ?

[carolinalady]

Fran,

I didn't word that right. Typically a warrant can be sealed and served, however, public law also requires that a reason must be provided for why the warrant was sealed. Are you aware of any other cases where warrants have been sealed without cause ?

Is this the reason for the hearing on Thursday?

[jilly]

As far as the rebuttal affidavit, BC had no choice. I figure that NC was like a lot of us and that we share the kvetching about our husbands FAR MORE than we share the good stuff. ;-) She also appears to not have really gone without - despite claims from EVERYONE that she wasn't getting enough money to feed and care for the children - why don't ANY of the friends' affidavits say THEY GAVE HER MONEY? Supposedly SOMEONE was - if not them, who? Could she have been exaggerating? Making him appear worse than he was? Maybe they offered and she refused out of pride but said she'd accept money for services, such as painting.

I am also not totally buying the fear and controlling issue. Having been in a BAD relationship where I just wanted OUT and he was verbally abusive - I DID NOT provoke him. Many items in that separation agreement were pokes at him - having a high powered attorney on your side is not something someone that is that "controlled" does - and SOMETHING would have been done if in fact she was that scared that she was sleeping in her kids room with the door locked. There are not allegations of physical abuse - so why that reaction? I think that this separation was going to get VERY ugly and Nancy wasn't the meek, mild and controlled person that everyone is making her out to be. She had way too much freedom to run, bring the kids around, spend many hours with friends, vacation with her family, vacation with another family (and another woman's husband) etc to play the controlled spouse here. Women being "controlled" don't get to have these kind of relationships - they are usually CUT OFF from anyone that could help them - because it's easier to keep them down that way.

ALL this being said - I think he is the most likely killer and will be arrested.

Good post Raleigh. I think he's the killer as well. Nancy did seem to have a lot of freedom, that's for sure. Sounds like she was better off than even married to a cheap person.

On one hand we hear that she's sleeping in the girls' room with her keys in her pocket and we are assuming that she does that out of fear. Fear of what though? If it was physical abuse, surely, she would have confided that to her lawyer who would have suggested an ex parte order to get Brad out of the house. But no....they were working on an amicable separation agreement supposedly.:confused:
Maybe she was sleeping in the girls' room to avoid sexual advances? (I know Brad says they hadn't had sex for 2 yrs.)

[Onescout]

Fran,

I didn't word that right. Typically a warrant can be sealed and served, however, public law also requires that a reason must be provided for why the warrant was sealed. Are you aware of any other cases where warrants have been sealed without cause ?


My best guess would be, you always have to provide cause to seal, unless, it's a Homeland Security Act issue.