Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #15

[tulsa]

Has anyone come across Claudia Farrows maiden name?

For what it's worth, I came across a Florida obit for Jack Suddarth who died in 1993. Listed among survivors is a daughter, Claudia Farrow of Weleetka, OK.

[tulsa]

http://www.eboards4all.com/728165/messages/243.html


Florence Suddarth a longtime resident of Henryetta passed away on December 7, 2004 in Okmulgee, Ok at the age of 82. Born February 4, 1922 in Wakefield, Massachusettes. She married Jack Suddarth and was a homemaker. She was a member of the First United Methodist Church and the United Methodist Women.
Survived By
Daughters: Jackie Williams of Henryetta
Carolyn Suddarth of Independence, Missouri
Claudia Farrow of Henryetta
Son: Cory Suddarth of Henryetta
14 Grandchildren
Several Great Grandchildren
Brother: Paul Bennett of Bakersfield, Calif. A Memorial Service will be held at the First United Methodist Church at 10:00 am, Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 10:00 am with Rev. Rik Marion officiating. Services under the direction of the Rogers Funeral Home.

[Trino]

I totally agree with you there. I just about had a fit when I heard th 911 call. Never once we were led to believe that Vicky made that call. How much more is being kept from the public. But why? Same with the DNA evidence. Was there DNA present and if so, why keep it a secret? Weren't we also under the impression that the Plackers were home? Either this case has been completely mishandled from the get go or OSBI has a pretty good clue on who has committed this crime and thinks they can flush the person(s) out by keeping secrets.

You're probably more optimistic than I am about this case. IMO LE/OSBI doesn't have a clue. That's the one thing they have told the public that I believe.

[YellowDog]

GS, I have my own theory about why the whole 911 call has not been released to the public. Perhaps Peter was on the phone first and maybe he accused someone of the evil deed calling them by name and was so worked up that Vicky took the phone from him. If he did give any names over the phone as suspects, they would not release that part of the call unless they were sure he was right about it. He also could have given the phone to Vicky when he saw Skyla's relative coming up the road so he could keep her from seeing the gruesome scene.


YD at this stage in the game nothing seems to be confirmed. I mean for weeks we are believing media & LE that Peter found Taylors cell phone & called 911. I am disgusted.

[Just Nose'n around]

Good evening all. Just popping in to see what's new.

[Claycat]

GS, I have my own theory about why the whole 911 call has not been released to the public. Perhaps Peter was on the phone first and maybe he accused someone of the evil deed calling them by name and was so worked up that Vicky took the phone from him. If he did give any names over the phone as suspects, they would not release that part of the call unless they were sure he was right about it. He also could have given the phone to Vicky when he saw Skyla's relative coming up the road so he could keep her from seeing the gruesome scene.

Or maybe he took the phone from Vicky after she called. Remember, when she called, the first thing you heard were the tones of the phone call and the operator answering. Then you heard her talking and screaming. So, she was on the phone first.

[little726]

For what it's worth, I came across a Florida obit for Jack Suddarth who died in 1993. Listed among survivors is a daughter, Claudia Farrow of Weleetka, OK.

Thank you very much, Tulsa. That's one name I haven't come acrossed.

[YellowDog]

Could they both have called on different phones? Could Vicky have had her own phone with her when she arrived? Didn't he call from one of the girl's phones?


Or maybe he took the phone from Vicky after she called. Remember, when she called, the first thing you heard were the tones of the phone call and the operator answering. Then you heard her talking and screaming. So, she was on the phone first.

[GetSmart]

For what it's worth, I came across a Florida obit for Jack Suddarth who died in 1993. Listed among survivors is a daughter, Claudia Farrow of Weleetka, OK.

Thanks Tulsa great job
I took the liberty to add your post to our Family Member thread on the front page
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2450895#post2450895

[GetSmart]

I hope you are right Yellow Dog. But mis-information tends to run amuck. I really don't mean to be so negative. I think it was such a shock for LE & OSBI regardless if they deal with this everyday or not.. & the left hand -right hand thing happened. The reason I say that was because of Ms Bronws statement that this was the only 911. As I type this it very well could be Peter took phone from Vicky.

[ArizonaGiGi]

[quote=PGW;2448651] ~snip~ Maybe, too, a car dealership decided to help.

Great thinking! That would be very nice of a car dealership to do and very possible esp. in such a small town people take care of each other like that.

[LifeSaver]

I watched the last presser Jessica Brown had, the one where the 911 was released, and she was asked how many calls were made, she answered one...and then was asked was it made from Taylors cell phone, and she said no

[LifeSaver]

I hope you are right Yellow Dog. But mis-information tends to run amuck. I really don't mean to be so negative. I think it was such a shock for LE & OSBI regardless if they deal with this everyday or not.. & the left hand -right hand thing happened. The reason I say that was because of Ms Bronws statement that this was the only 911. As I type this it very well could be Peter took phone from Vicky.

Yes, I could see him taking the phone, she was so emotional. I bet that is what happened

[ArizonaGiGi]

Hi Lifesaver

[ArizonaGiGi]

When a person dies, they expell urine involuntarily. Could this be the fluid found at the crime scene?

YD that's a good guess. I didn't think of that. Of course, LE OSBI or whever is handling the case aren't going to tell us. We just have to make assumptions and good guesses. :rolleyes:

[LifeSaver]

Hiya ArizonaGiGi...nice to meet you

[LifeSaver]

YD that's a good guess. I didn't think of that. Of course, LE OSBI or whever is handling the case aren't going to tell us. We just have to make assumptions and good guesses. :rolleyes:


I can't help but notice even the Sleuths are losing interest in this case. Its sad there isn't any new news, clues...still no motives, just guess work, and filling in blanks

[GetSmart]

I can't help but notice even the Sleuths are losing interest in this case. Its sad there isn't any new news, clues...still no motives, just guess work, and filling in blanks

I know LS & I made a vow in my heart to those girls that I would not give up. I will come here every time I sign in.

[frogjustfrog]

I know LS & I made a vow in my heart to those girls that I would not give up. I will come here every time I sign in.
I will too. I dont feel like I have much to offer, but my heart is definately here, with the girls, hopes for an answer, hopes for someone to have to pay for this horrible crime to the girls, and hopes to keep their memories alive.:blowkiss:

[frogjustfrog]

I wish that some monies from somewhere could be donated to make a permanent memorial in their honor at Graham School.

[frogjustfrog]

I bet I could see about that. I dont think it would take much.

[FlowerChild]

I was just reading Taylor's obituary and it states that she was born to Vicky and Peter Placker. How has it been determined that other people are her birth parents? It seems like they would have stated Taylor was born on such and such a date and her parents are so and so instead of saying "she was born to" Vicky and Peter Placker.

We know for a fact that Taylor is Vicky and Peter's Bio GRANDAUGHTER but she considered Vicky and Peter he parents and called them Mom and Dad. The Plackers considered Taylor their daughter and their other children referred to her as their sister - but Taylor was actually their child or niece. We have no idea WHO Taylor's bio parents are and there has never been a word said about it by anyone in the family except Peter, explaining that Taylor was his Grandaughter but he called her his daughter and she called them Mom and Dad. They aren't that old, they could easily BE Taylor's parents but they aren't - she was adopted by them legally shortly after she was born. They ARE her parents in every way, just so happens they were her Grandparents too.

My Opinion

[frogjustfrog]

That would probably mean that either Jennifer or Linda is her mother. IMO
I know on Linda's myspace, there are pictures of children, and she addresses them as what relationship they are to her, such as niece, and nephew. But on Taylor's pics, she just states that it is Taylor. This leads me to believe SHE is Taylor's mother.
However, I heard that Jennifer is. I know nothing for fact.
I do think I may call the local trophey company, IF there is still one in Henryetta. If not, I can find one, and I am going to see what it may cost to have even just a plaque made in their honor, to put up at the school.
I would appreciate to know if you all think this would be ok, or proper for me to do. If it isnt much, maybe I can swing it. I will try to find out prices. If it is much, I will let you all know and maybe we could all add just a little. It cant be that expensive.

[ArizonaGiGi]

That would probably mean that either Jennifer or Linda is her mother. IMO
I know on Linda's myspace, there are pictures of children, and she addresses them as what relationship they are to her, such as niece, and nephew. But on Taylor's pics, she just states that it is Taylor. This leads me to believe SHE is Taylor's mother.
However, I heard that Jennifer is. I know nothing for fact.
I do think I may call the local trophey company, IF there is still one in Henryetta. If not, I can find one, and I am going to see what it may cost to have even just a plaque made in their honor, to put up at the school.
I would appreciate to know if you all think this would be ok, or proper for me to do. If it isnt much, maybe I can swing it. I will try to find out prices. If it is much, I will let you all know and maybe we could all add just a little. It cant be that expensive.

Evening FROG
What a sweet idea but I would call the school first, they may already be planning something.

[FlowerChild]

Where was Joe Mosher when these killings occurred? There's been mention that he was at the house. Has this ever been confirmed?
My contact tells me that Joe Mosher was at the Placker home when the girls were killed and that it MAY be that HE is the witness who saw the girls AND the POI on County Line Road as he arrived at the Placker house that afternoon. Uncle Joe was on the scene with Peter and Vicky when Peter found the girls. (Evidently there was also a child with him or with the Plackers who was present at the scene.) When Rose Whitaker arrived Joe Mosher was there with Peter. Evidently Vicky had returned to the house with the anonymous "child", but she HAD been there at some point, we know that from the 911 call.

And it still isn't clear HOW Joe Mosher is Vicky's brother unless Ruby Paschal was married previously OR had a child by a Mr Mosher out of wedlock BEFORE she married Carl Paschal. The other two children are Paschals - Tony and Vicky and they are several years younger than Joe Mosher. Everyone in the family (including Joe Mosher Tony Paschal and Vicky) refers to Joe Mosher as Vicky's (and Tony's) brother.

At least his presence from the beginning explains why all the crime scene interviews were done by "Uncle Joe" and not Peter - Uncle Joe was there from the time the bodies were found until they finished at the crime scene about 3 AM and then he went to the one all night restaurant in Henryetta where he talked about what he saw and did at length to anyone who would listen.

The information is backed up from people who saw him after the murders in Henryetta and by people who were at the scene including Rose Whitaker. Uncle Joe was there and for him to have seen the girls MINUTES before their deaths means he HAD to be at the Placker house when they were shot. He may also have HEARD the shots - that has never been verified by LE - just as his being a witness to the girls location and the POI has never been verified by LE...but it makes sense and more than one unrelated person is saying the exact same thing about his involvement. It also makes sense that he could not meet with LE to give his statement about seeing the girls and the POI until the family needs (like the funeral) had been taken care of and that LE wouldn't release the POI sketch until AFTER the funerals so the families could be afforded privacy and protection as necessary without disrupting the services.

My question is that if the POI is NOT the killer then did the killer come to the Placker house that day because of Uncle Joe? Is he possibly the reason the girls were targeted? Did Joe drive past the girls on his way to the Plackers and perhaps stop and talk to them? Did Joe lead the killers TO the girls that day?

My Opinion

[frogjustfrog]

Evening FROG
What a sweet idea but I would call the school first, they may already be planning something.
Yes, and thank you. And I thought about calling the school and see if they were planning on anything. I know Wanda Mankin. Its been years since I have talked to her, but we know each other so I can call her. I also know a couple of people on the BOE very well.
So I will check into it. :)

[frogjustfrog]

My contact tells me that Joe Mosher was at the Placker home when the girls were killed and that it MAY be that HE is the witness who saw the girls AND the POI on County Line Road as he arrived at the Placker house that afternoon. Uncle Joe was on the scene with Peter and Vicky when Peter found the girls. (Evidently there was also a child with him or with the Plackers who was present at the scene.) When Rose Whitaker arrived Joe Mosher was there with Peter. Evidently Vicky had returned to the house with the anonymous "child", but she HAD been there at some point, we know that from the 911 call.

And it still isn't clear HOW Joe Mosher is Vicky's brother unless Ruby Paschal was married previously OR had a child by a Mr Mosher out of wedlock BEFORE she married Carl Paschal. The other two children are Paschals - Tony and Vicky and they are several years younger than Joe Mosher. Everyone in the family (including Joe Mosher Tony Paschal and Vicky) refers to Joe Mosher as Vicky's (and Tony's) brother.

At least his presence from the beginning explains why all the crime scene interviews were done by "Uncle Joe" and not Peter - Uncle Joe was there from the time the bodies were found until they finished at the crime scene about 3 AM and then he went to the one all night restaurant in Henryetta where he talked about what he saw and did at length to anyone who would listen.

The information is backed up from people who saw him after the murders in Henryetta and by people who were at the scene including Rose Whitaker. Uncle Joe was there and for him to have seen the girls MINUTES before their deaths means he HAD to be at the Placker house when they were shot. He may also have HEARD the shots - that has never been verified by LE - just as his being a witness to the girls location and the POI has never been verified by LE...but it makes sense and more than one unrelated person is saying the exact same thing about his involvement. It also makes sense that he could not meet with LE to give his statement about seeing the girls and the POI until the family needs (like the funeral) had been taken care of and that LE wouldn't release the POI sketch until AFTER the funerals so the families could be afforded privacy and protection as necessary without disrupting the services.

My question is that if the POI is NOT the killer then did the killer come to the Placker house that day because of Uncle Joe? Is he possibly the reason the girls were targeted? Did Joe drive past the girls on his way to the Plackers and perhaps stop and talk to them? Did Joe lead the killers TO the girls that day?

My Opinion

I have been wondering the same thing myself.
I also know the owner of the restaurant he was supposed to been at talking. Maybe I can gain some information there. I plan to go to Henryetta in the next week or so. I will make a note to myself to check into this stuff. Of course, it will still be hearsay.

[Trino]

My question is that if the POI is NOT the killer then did the killer come to the Placker house that day because of Uncle Joe? Is he possibly the reason the girls were targeted? Did Joe drive past the girls on his way to the Plackers and perhaps stop and talk to them? Did Joe lead the killers TO the girls that day? My Opinion

And, does Uncle Joe know or have an idea who the killers are?

[Mysterylover]

We know for a fact that Taylor is Vicky and Peter's Bio GRANDAUGHTER

but she considered Vicky and Peter he parents and called them Mom and Dad. The Plackers considered Taylor their daughter and their other children referred to her as their sister - but Taylor was actually their child or niece.

We have no idea WHO Taylor's bio parents are and there has never been a word said about it by anyone in the family except Peter,

explaining that Taylor was his Grandaughter but he called her his daughter and she called them Mom and Dad.

They aren't that old, they could easily BE Taylor's parents but they aren't - she was adopted by them legally shortly after she was born.

They ARE her parents in every way, just so happens they were her Grandparents too.

My Opinion.....

FlowerChild...You have excellent posts and you generally do your research quite well ...I do have questions about your last statements....thanks ...

1. How do we know as a FACT that V. and P. are Taylors BIO grandparents or are we assuming something that hasn't been proven?...
has there been DNA test done to prove it, that I haven't read about?

2. Please show me where the papers are filed/located that says Taylor was ADOPTED...

3. What is the BIG secret surrounding Taylor, why NO baby pictures ? it seems to me, to be a mystery in itself..as the truth has been guarded like it's a "matter of life & death" ...WHY?..
when I question 'why', my mind runs away with "reasons" in the darkest sense....jmo

[CMorrison64]

That would probably mean that either Jennifer or Linda is her mother. IMO
I know on Linda's myspace, there are pictures of children, and she addresses them as what relationship they are to her, such as niece, and nephew. But on Taylor's pics, she just states that it is Taylor. This leads me to believe SHE is Taylor's mother.
However, I heard that Jennifer is. I know nothing for fact.
I do think I may call the local trophey company, IF there is still one in Henryetta. If not, I can find one, and I am going to see what it may cost to have even just a plaque made in their honor, to put up at the school.
I would appreciate to know if you all think this would be ok, or proper for me to do. If it isnt much, maybe I can swing it. I will try to find out prices. If it is much, I will let you all know and maybe we could all add just a little. It cant be that expensive.

You can count me in on contributing!!!!

[Trino]

I think you have a good idea, Flowerchild, and it's not that I'm cheap, but each of those parents received around $100,000 in contributions. I would think it would be their responsibility to place something at the school, rather than those who had no relationship to the girls.

[Albert18]

If Joe Mosher was the one who saw the POI why wouldn't he have told LE that night?

[YellowDog]

My contact tells me that Joe Mosher was at the Placker home when the girls were killed and that it MAY be that HE is the witness who saw the girls AND the POI on County Line Road as he arrived at the Placker house that afternoon. Uncle Joe was on the scene with Peter and Vicky when Peter found the girls. (Evidently there was also a child with him or with the Plackers who was present at the scene.) When Rose Whitaker arrived Joe Mosher was there with Peter. Evidently Vicky had returned to the house with the anonymous "child", but she HAD been there at some point, we know that from the 911 call.

But that would mean that the whole family went looking for the girls and that was not what I thought the initial reports stated. I thought Peter went looking for the girls alone when they couldn't get an answer from Taylor on her cell phone

And it still isn't clear HOW Joe Mosher is Vicky's brother unless Ruby Paschal was married previously OR had a child by a Mr Mosher out of wedlock BEFORE she married Carl Paschal. The other two children are Paschals - Tony and Vicky and they are several years younger than Joe Mosher. Everyone in the family (including Joe Mosher Tony Paschal and Vicky) refers to Joe Mosher as Vicky's (and Tony's) brother.

At least his presence from the beginning explains why all the crime scene interviews were done by "Uncle Joe" and not Peter - Uncle Joe was there from the time the bodies were found until they finished at the crime scene about 3 AM and then he went to the one all night restaurant in Henryetta where he talked about what he saw and did at length to anyone who would listen.

The information is backed up from people who saw him after the murders in Henryetta and by people who were at the scene including Rose Whitaker. Uncle Joe was there and for him to have seen the girls MINUTES before their deaths means he HAD to be at the Placker house when they were shot. He may also have HEARD the shots - that has never been verified by LE - just as his being a witness to the girls location and the POI has never been verified by LE...but it makes sense and more than one unrelated person is saying the exact same thing about his involvement. It also makes sense that he could not meet with LE to give his statement about seeing the girls and the POI until the family needs (like the funeral) had been taken care of and that LE wouldn't release the POI sketch until AFTER the funerals so the families could be afforded privacy and protection as necessary without disrupting the services.

My question is that if the POI is NOT the killer then did the killer come to the Placker house that day because of Uncle Joe? Is he possibly the reason the girls were targeted? Did Joe drive past the girls on his way to the Plackers and perhaps stop and talk to them? Did Joe lead the killers TO the girls that day?

My Opinion

The killer/killers very well could have committed this deed because of Joe Mosher's past drug history. They could have been tailing him and knew he was at the house and might even have thought the girls were his children. He might have owed them a large sum of money or double crossed one of them.

Another scenario (if Peter and Vicky weren't at home and he was at the house) could be he made sexual advances towards the girls and they rebuffed him angering him. He went in search of them, found them, killed them and then went back to the house till Peter and Vicky came back to establish an alibi. I have thought it strange that he has been quoted in the news so much instead of the parents.

[CMorrison64]

The killer/killers very well could have committed this deed because of Joe Mosher's past drug history. They could have been tailing him and knew he was at the house and might even have thought the girls were his children. He might have owed them a large sum of money or double crossed one of them.

Another scenario (if Peter and Vicky) weren't at home and he was at the house could be he made sexual advances towards the girls and they rebuffed him angering him. He went in search of them, found them, killed them and then went back to the house till Peter and Vicky came back to establish an alibi. I have thought it strange that he has been quoted in the news so much instead of the parents.

Now there's a thought ... a very sad thought, but nonetheless a good one.

[annie mae]

http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/weelee.htm (http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/weelee.htm)

[Shutterfly]

http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/weelee.htm (http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/weelee.htm)

THAT is truly creepy. You don't necessarily have to agree with it or accept the similarities as being anything more than coincidence...but it's creepy nonetheless. I got cold chills on that one and I'm sitting in the sun in 100 degree weather!

[little726]

I can't help but notice even the Sleuths are losing interest in this case. Its sad there isn't any new news, clues...still no motives, just guess work, and filling in blanks

I have not given up on trying to find information on who murdered these two girls. This story has stuck in my head since day one.

I will continue to search for any clues to this senseless killing!!!

[Shutterfly]

http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/weelee.htm (http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/weelee.htm)

Now of course, after reading this, I'm sitting here reeling over details. Someone went BACK to the crime scene and wrote "you'll never catch me" on a wooden cross 300 yards from the Plackers' house. They RETURNED to the crime scene...hmmmm. With an increase in traffic, with people visiting the memorial and leaving 'gifts' for the girls, knowing that people's eyes and ears are open for sightings of possible strangers. And again, no one saw this person. How is it possible for someone to think they'd write that there without getting caught unless they KNOW that they can slip in and slip out quickly, and without being noticed?? They'd have to know that area and the regular comings and goings right there on that very road to even THINK they could pull that off, right or wrong?

[YellowDog]

Now of course, after reading this, I'm sitting here reeling over details. Someone went BACK to the crime scene and wrote "you'll never catch me" on a wooden cross 300 yards from the Plackers' house. They RETURNED to the crime scene...hmmmm. With an increase in traffic, with people visiting the memorial and leaving 'gifts' for the girls, knowing that people's eyes and ears are open for sightings of possible strangers. And again, no one saw this person. How is it possible for someone to think they'd write that there without getting caught unless they KNOW that they can slip in and slip out quickly, and without being noticed?? They'd have to know that area and the regular comings and goings right there on that very road to even THINK they could pull that off, right or wrong?

I believe it had to be done in the dark of night but wouldn't you think that LE would have had the murder sight under surveillance that soon after the murders just in case the killer/killers came back to retrieve any evidence left unnoticed?

[GetSmart]

It is a taken for granted fact that a lot of killers return to the crime scene or attend funerals. We have all seen the news when when victims of theft or simular crimes take the law in their own hands because LE can't stake out a place just to catch someone that might return.. like the guy whose truck kept getting things stolen out of it so he set up a camera in his garage & caught the paper boy stealing. Why on earth didn't LE think to do the same. I know it's just could've.. would've.. should've but dang it when you have zero it seems like you would be creative. After the 911 call I had made a statement about the gal whose was the victimology expert. True it was an off handed remark about experience ect.. but there were comments made to assure me of how experienced the LE was.. I am just a lay person & I can come up with that idea why can't they...JMO

[frogjustfrog]

Good afternoon 99. And thank you, CMorrison, I am working on those calls this morning about a plaque or something, but have not had my calls returned yet.

RE: The writings on the cross. In videos we have seen, and in pictures printed in by various media, we can see that there has been alot of people go to that memorial and leave items in love and rememberance of the girls. That means alot of people have access to the memorial without question as to why they were there. Therefore I believe someone, possibly a stupid mean kid, possibly even the killer, could have gone there to leave items, and very easily and quickly scribbled that message. It is sick, but I can see it easily happening that way.

I went to the memorial site to take items of love, just the one time, before the cross was written on, and I looked at those crosses and saw that someone took time and love to make those. I'm not familiar with woodworking saws very well, but I know that it took a bit of time by someone who felt compassion, to make those and take them there. Possibly a neighbor or family member. In the video of the Kelough woman talking about hearing the shots, she or the other lady was holding something that looked like a cross. Nevertheless, no matter who made them, they were put there almost like a headstone of a sort, and it took a very cruel, sick person to disfigure one in ANY manner!

[Shutterfly]

I believe it had to be done in the dark of night but wouldn't you think that LE would have had the murder sight under surveillance that soon after the murders just in case the killer/killers came back to retrieve any evidence left unnoticed?

In the dark, probably. Now look at what Getsmart said in response to what I posted, and of course statistics DO show that it's normal ( if I can even USE that word to describe psychopathic behavior) for the killer to return to the crime scene.
But this crime scene is in the middle of nowhere, that's what freaks me out. I just can't keep from asking myself over and over again if the person who did this lives close enough to the crime scene to be able to and accustomed to monitoring the routine right there. Before, and leading up to the murders sure, it's desolate, but it is still odd that no one seems to know who did this and no one actually saw anything that we know of). And then someone goes back and writes this on this memorial after the fact, when most would think that people are at least paying attention to what goes on on that road. People in close proximity have got to be paranoid and scrutinizing everything people around them do with a microscope, don't you think?

[SailorMoon]

I always hate to discredit LE, but would they?? Heck the road was graded and in my opinion, which we all know is the laws to live by :crazy: - that crime scene should have been sealed best it could be for a few days anyway.

I wonder about ole uncle Joe. I can see yapping at a restaurant all night due to the adrenaline, but was that all it was??????

I believe it had to be done in the dark of night but wouldn't you think that LE would have had the murder sight under surveillance that soon after the murders just in case the killer/killers came back to retrieve any evidence left unnoticed?

[frogjustfrog]

As far as similarity of names of roads, in the girl scout killings and this killing... if you have ever lived in Oklahoma or driven through more than one town, you would see that lots of towns have the same indian names for street names. Okmulgee is one of them, and so are many others. So that is just a similarity of towns in Oklahoma.

[annie mae]

I have wondered if by chance Taylor had a middle name? "Paschal-Placker" Just a crazy thought but could the P & P ( her last name) represent those of her parents? Did the Witness Protection Plan for bio-parents happen? Another crazy thought. Just simple thoughts........

[Lauren - CA]

I have wondered if by chance Taylor had a middle name? "Paschal-Placker" Just a crazy thought but could the P & P ( her last name) represent those of her parents? Did the Witness Protection Plan for bio-parents happen? Another crazy thought. Just simple thoughts........

I believe Taylor's middle name is Dawn.

[YellowDog]

Does anyone know where the Plackers are moving to? I doubt if it's Oklahoma City since they said they left there for a safer place...........could it have been a safer place for them more so than Taylor? Could someone have been after them before they moved?

I don't think any normal person would deface the cross..........or even be in that area after dark so soon after a double homicide. It makes me think the killer/killers is very close to the actual scene.

[YellowDog]

Where does Uncle Joe live?

[Lauren - CA]

Where does Uncle Joe live?


Boy, did you ever take the words out of my mouth.....

[YellowDog]

Boy, did you ever take the words out of my mouth.....

Don't you think sometimes when people are so visible around a crime scene that they are trying to throw suspicion away from themselves?

[Native New Yorker]

I have been following this case from the beginning...
When Cheryl Dunlap was first missing in Florida last December, Gary Hilton allegedly joined in the search. He now awaits trial for first degree murder for her death.

[Shutterfly]

Did anyone by any chance run across any info on who, besides Peter, Viky and Taylor, were living in that house when these murders occured?

[frogjustfrog]

Back to a new memorial for just a sec....
I talked to someone at the school. They havent planned anything in particular, but talked about some kind of a garden or something, for a memorial. Maybe a couple of benches. I said there there may be a few that would like to donate something in memory of the girls. Maybe a local could build a small pedestal and a weatherproof plaque could be attached to the top of it, and placed in the garden, or maybe we could just donate to the benches.

There will be a board meeting soon and it will be mentioned and they will get back with me. In the meantime, I am just looking at ideas at airflyte.com This is the site that a local trophy company gave me to view to maybe get a few ideas without going into the showroom.

[frogjustfrog]

In addition to the above information, I was told that the family was talking about giving them something, as a thank you for all the school had done. I dont know if this means one family or both, or what they are planning on giving them, but it sounded to me like something that could be left for anyone to see.

[Tom'sGirl]

In addition to the above information, I was told that the family was talking about giving them something, as a thank you for all the school had done. I dont know if this means one family or both, or what they are planning on giving them, but it sounded to me like something that could be left for anyone to see.
Didn't someone here mention that Rose was now working there, was this ever confirmed?

Maybe you could check on your next call to the school, maybe she works in Food Services, Custodial or a Teacher's Aide???

[frogjustfrog]

Didn't someone here mention that Rose was now working there, was this ever confirmed?

Maybe you could check on your next call to the school, maybe she works in Food Services, Custodial or a Teacher's Aide???

I'm not going to ask that. I know people at that school and I dont feel like anyone would think I need to be nosing into Rose's business. JMO

[tulsa]

Didn't someone here mention that Rose was now working there, was this ever confirmed?

Maybe you could check on your next call to the school, maybe she works in Food Services, Custodial or a Teacher's Aide???

See item 11. Now if we can only find the outcome of this meeting.
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/agenda.htm

[LifeSaver]

Yes, I would definately contact Graham School

[frogjustfrog]

Yes, I would definately contact Graham School

I'm wishing now I never mentioned it.

later.

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm not going to ask that. I know people at that school and I dont feel like anyone would think I need to be nosing into Rose's business. JMO
Never mind, I found what department she's working in :)

[Tom'sGirl]

Yes, I would definately contact Graham School
I did!

[ArizonaGiGi]

I always hate to discredit LE, but would they?? Heck the road was graded and in my opinion, which we all know is the laws to live by :crazy: - that crime scene should have been sealed best it could be for a few days anyway.

I wonder about ole uncle Joe. I can see yapping at a restaurant all night due to the adrenaline, but was that all it was??????


I find it very odd that Uncle Joe was at the restaurant flapping his pie-hole to anyone who would listen esp after seeing his niece and her friend's murdered bodies. One would think that he would be in shock and be with the family, grieving and comforting each other. I know I know, everyone grieves differently but this is TOO DIFFERENT!!!

[ArizonaGiGi]

Don't you think sometimes when people are so visible around a crime scene that they are trying to throw suspicion away from themselves?


YUP. Exactly. They like to hang around and offer help to police so that they can know what's going on and if the cops have any ideas that that person is involved.

[ArizonaGiGi]

I'm wishing now I never mentioned it.

later.

FROG, everyone has ideas and opinions. That's what makes it work on WS. We don't all agree, but that's the best part because if we all thought the same way, we wouldn't get very far in our research and information.
Please don't take it personally. :blowkiss:

I love your idea of some kind of memorial for the girls - I just think that there might be other groups (school, locals etc) that might be planning something too. But it's probably ok for us to do our own thing too. So carry on........ and count me in for a $ donation !

[SailorMoon]

I do to ArizonaGiGi, I mean I usually get pumped up and rehash things over and over and over. But this isn't a bad dream or something. This is a brutal murder of 2 girls.

[Tom'sGirl]

[/b]


I find it very odd that Uncle Joe was at the restaurant flapping his pie-hole to anyone who would listen esp after seeing his niece and her friend's murdered bodies. One would think that he would be in shock and be with the family, grieving and comforting each other. I know I know, everyone grieves differently but this is TOO DIFFERENT!!!
As prolific as some posters are, and we enjoy their info. from other sources, it remains second hand information and may, or may not be factual.

[YellowDog]

As prolific as some posters are, and we enjoy their info. from other sources, it remains second hand information and may, or may not be factual.

This is SO TRUE and sometimes when you hear it enough, you start to remember it as factual.

[Tom'sGirl]

This is SO TRUE and sometimes when you hear it enough, you start to remember it as factual.


I agree, I've seen it here in postings, but I try to keep the facts seperated from the rumors/speculations.

I don't know for a fact that the families have received $100,000.00 from donations, have never seen in the Media anywhere. I called the Bank personally the other day and was told they don't give out that info. Even if we see an amount in the Media, doesn't mean it's factual as many other facts reported haven't been.

It wasn't a rumor regarding where Rose was/is working, that I found out on my own today, by yet another phone call.

[YellowDog]

Nor do we know that the body fluids at the murder scene are fact or fiction.

[SailorMoon]

Add to that list the confusion over who made the 911 call(s) with whomevers phone....we really don't know a lot for certain. But I do know that 2 precious, innocent girls were executed for whatever reason and it seems like I'm the only person that gives a rats behind. I know...ya'll do too, but dang.....where are the answers? Where is the outrage??? That's what I don't get.

[YellowDog]

Add to that list the confusion over who made the 911 call(s) with whomevers phone....we really don't know a lot for certain. But I do know that 2 precious, innocent girls were executed for whatever reason and it seems like I'm the only person that gives a rats behind. I know...ya'll do too, but dang.....where are the answers? Where is the outrage??? That's what I don't get.

And where is the media? There has been no new news on this for days now.
It's ridiculous.

[SailorMoon]

Everytime I turn on Nancy Grace she's on Caylee's story, which is bizarre enough.....but geeze. You'd think someone would be on this.

And where is the media? There has been no new news on this for days now.
It's ridiculous.

[YellowDog]

Everytime I turn on Nancy Grace she's on Caylee's story, which is bizarre enough.....but geeze. You'd think someone would be on this.

Not even the Oklahoma newspapers are reporting on it. Don't any of those newspapers around there have any investigative reporters?

[Lauren - CA]

I can't help but notice even the Sleuths are losing interest in this case. Its sad there isn't any new news, clues...still no motives, just guess work, and filling in blanks


Hi LS, I personally don't think that anyone is losing interest in this case. Far from it. I think everyone is taking a much needed time out to rethink things. Speaking for myself, I know that things changed for me after I heard the 911 call. I felt as though we were all misled and lied to. It's been a long, frustrating 8 weeks. We all want justice for these two little girls. We want to know why. Why would anyone want to kill them? Yes, it's true there isn't any new news on this case, but that is OSBI's fault. They thought they held the trump card when they played that 911 call. Any one that could face two girls and shoot then point blank like they did, does not care about Vicky crying to the 911 operator.....even if they are related. Sorry.

[Lauren - CA]

Did Joe drive past the girls on his way to the Plackers and perhaps stop and talk to them? Did Joe lead the killers TO the girls that day?

My Opinion


I completely agree with that.

[Lauren - CA]

Don't you think sometimes when people are so visible around a crime scene that they are trying to throw suspicion away from themselves?

Yes, a very stupid criminal would think that. They're thinking, hey, if I act scared the LE will think I had something to do with it, but if I don't, they won't suspect a thing. NOT.

[GetSmart]

I love the idea of a little something for the girls. I have been a member here for awhile & a long lurker before that and I have never I repeat never lent my heart out as I have with these girls. What ever Frog finds or the school decides I am in..

[Lauren - CA]

You know, you see and read about bad stuff all the time in the media, and yet I can tune it out pretty much. I have never, ever in all my life been this affected by the brutal murder of two precious girls. I barely slept for weeks after. I keep asking why I can't stop focusing on two children I didn't even know. Maybe it's the mother in me. Maybe it's the realization that no matter what, my children will never be safe. Even though I can pretend that they will be. This world is getting to be one crazy place. You just look at a person the wrong way and you better watch out.

It's funny how everyone wants to do something for these girls. A memorial of some kind would be very nice. I've even thought of renewing Skyla's video tribute. I cried everytime I saw it. I think if more people saw it they would realize this was a very much cared for and loved little girl with her whole life ahead of her.

[Lauren - CA]

See item 11. Now if we can only find the outcome of this meeting.
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/agenda.htm


Do they not post the minutes of the meeting after the fact? Most school boards do. Obviously if it goes to the board, it is pretty much a done deal. The board just has to rubber stamp it officially but it appears that the school has themselves a new custodian. I would guess that it doesn't appear that the Whitakers will be moving away anytime soon.

[LifeSaver]

You know, you see and read about bad stuff all the time in the media, and yet I can tune it out pretty much. I have never, ever in all my life been this affected by the brutal murder of two precious girls. I barely slept for weeks after. I keep asking why I can't stop focusing on two children I didn't even know. Maybe it's the mother in me. Maybe it's the realization that no matter what, my children will never be safe. Even though I can pretend that they will be. This world is getting to be one crazy place. You just look at a person the wrong way and you better watch out.

It's funny how everyone wants to do something for these girls. A memorial of some kind would be very nice. I've even thought of renewing Skyla's video tribute. I cried everytime I saw it. I think if more people saw it they would realize this was a very much cared for and loved little girl with her whole life ahead of her.

I myself thought about renewing the video, the family have the video and I can understand why they didn't take it upon themselves to do so. Its what, 30 bucks to renew for a year? I know, it was a loving video and you are right, you can feel the love those parents had for their children.

[LifeSaver]

It just doesn't seem right, everytime you turn on the news its about Caylee, I guess its because they have more money? I guess its a fact that money talks, even after death. Sad Sad, but its just society.

[Lauren - CA]

I myself thought about renewing the video, the family have the video and I can understand why they didn't take it upon themselves to do so. Its what, 30 bucks to renew for a year? I know, it was a loving video and you are right, you can feel the love those parents had for their children.

Yes, it is only around $29 or so for the year. I even thought about buying a copy, but being in another country, by the time you pay duty and the broker fees, it ends up costing twice as much.

[Lauren - CA]

It just doesn't seem right, everytime you turn on the news its about Caylee, I guess its because they have more money? I guess its a fact that money talks, even after death. Sad Sad, but its just society.

I keep wondering why you don't hear more about this case in the media. After it happened I would talk about it at work and no one heard of the case. Some still haven't.

[GetSmart]

LS you are so Right ... The Anthony case has everything to make it a star. I mean everything. Why is the case so quite. I know in my heart it's not because of the citizens of the area. LE has to give something that the media will eat up & for some unknown reason they aren't. Like I have said many times before ok LE give me a reason to be quite & patient & let you do your job. Even if there is no news that is news. I sound like I am rambling but I think we all feel the same frustration. It's like sorry media we don't have any stripper poles here or retired LE & RN parents. We have have 2 innoncent precious little girls plodding along on a country rd where they felt safe & carefree from the nasty evil in the real world ..perhaps sharing dreams of "when I grow up..." Looking fwrd to summer & camp & being in a new grade next year. Perhaps singing the newest boy band song.. I am just heart broke & now crying as I type this. It just is not fair.

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On another note if we do something Maybe we could see if they could engrave or whatever a little turtle & butterfly JMO

[frogjustfrog]

LS you are so Right ... The Anthony case has everything to make it a star. I mean everything. Why is the case so quite. I know in my heart it's not because of the citizens of the area. LE has to give something that the media will eat up & for some unknown reason they aren't. Like I have said many times before ok LE give me a reason to be quite & patient & let you do your job. Even if there is no news that is news. I sound like I am rambling but I think we all feel the same frustration. It's like sorry media we don't have any stripper poles here or retired LE & RN parents. We have have 2 innoncent precious little girls plodding along on a country rd where they felt safe & carefree from the nasty evil in the real world ..perhaps sharing dreams of "when I grow up..." Looking fwrd to summer & camp & being in a new grade next year. Perhaps singing the newest boy band song.. I am just heart broke & now crying as I type this. It just is not fair.

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On another note if we do something Maybe we could see if they could engrave or whatever a little turtle & butterfly JMO

I DO know how you feel!

To all sluethers, I read the etiquette thread, and IF we do contribute to a permanent memorial at the school of the girls, it will have to be done carefully. Like maybe a fund set up at the bank. (Which I probably could handle quite easily.) And anything contributed could go to the cost of the memorial with any monies which MIGHT BE remaining, going to the immediate families. But still, I need to clear this with administration first. Thanks to all who show they would like to be a part of it.

And a turtle and butterfly engraved would be BEAUTIFUL!!!!

[GetSmart]

Hi Frog...good idea girlfriend !!:clap:


Does anyone remember who it was that got arrested on an outstanding warrant after the girls were murdered. It was someone in family.

[frogjustfrog]

Hi Frog...good idea girlfriend !!:clap:


Does anyone remember who it was that got arrested on an outstanding warrant after the girls were murdered. It was someone in family.

I am not remembering that. Sorry, no help here but has anyone figured out yet how Mr Mosher (hope I spelled that right) is biologically connected to the Placker family? I've been searching with no avail.

[Claycat]

A turtle and butterfly engraved on the plaque would be wonderful, fRoG!

GetSmart, I get sad every time I think about these girls!

Ladies, we need to hit the trail with our machetes! :soldier:

[GetSmart]

I am ready CC

This is from todays CAYLEE ANTHONY UPDATE #4 August 4, 2008
The Federal Bureau of Investigation offered the assistance of their office shortly after the inception of this missing person investigation and we have enlisted their lab for the examination of items as they are gathered and submitted. We will not offer verification on lab items as this may be detrimental to the on-going search for Caylee. Any public discussion of these items will be in accordance to FSS pertaining to Public Records, court proceeding or other venue as has been past and current practice in furtherance of this case.
Captain Angelo L. Nieves
Orange County Sheriff's Office of Media Relations

My point is See how easy that is OSBI
It just bites me that they did not do this for "our girls"

[GetSmart]

Paschal Family

Carl and Ruby Paschal - Children

Vicky Ann (47) - Peter Placker
Tony Carl (54) - Linda Jenkins daughter Jennifer Juanita
Joe (William) Mosher married -Nell (50) -



http://newsok.com/article/3254870?topten_check=yes
"Her parents are really distraught," said Mosher, who is the brother of Taylor`s mother. "They`re a very poor family." Mosher said his niece was vibrant and full of energy.

[bluestarzz]

when does school start ? (the schoool the girls went to). when kids get together......sometimes more talk is started up.......perhaps there are some that have been gone all summer, or even see who transfers to somewhere esle? just a thought...kids know alot sometimes, even if they are not a part of the evil deed.
bluestarzz

[Tom'sGirl]

when does school start ?
This coming Thursday according to this:
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/calendar.htm

[frogjustfrog]

Paschal Family

Carl and Ruby Paschal - Children

Vicky Ann (47) - Peter Placker
Tony Carl (54) - Linda Jenkins daughter Jennifer Juanita
Joe (William) Mosher married -Nell (50) -



http://newsok.com/article/3254870?topten_check=yes
"Her parents are really distraught," said Mosher, who is the brother of Taylor`s mother. "They`re a very poor family." Mosher said his niece was vibrant and full of energy.

Thank you for that information. I'm not a great sluether and lately have been so busy I havent had much time.

Let's see now....Tony has a daughter, Jennifer Pascal. Could she have been adopted too by the Plackers? I believe their daughter Jennifer's name is Pascal. If this the " one and the same" Jennifer, could Taylor have been her child? JMO

[Mysterylover]

I DO know how you feel!

To all sluethers, I read the etiquette thread, and IF we do contribute to a permanent memorial at the school of the girls, it will have to be done carefully.

Like maybe a fund set up at the bank. (Which I probably could handle quite easily.) And anything contributed could go to the cost of the memorial with any monies which MIGHT BE remaining,
going to the immediate families.

But still, I need to clear this with administration first. Thanks to all who show they would like to be a part of it.

And a turtle and butterfly engraved would be BEAUTIFUL!!!!

A permanent memorial at school for both girls would be great...

I suggest NOT giving the family any more money.

Instead, use the remaining funds to buy something for the school to use,

do something for: cheer- leading or science-lab, or humane society etc. in memory of each girl....jmo

[frogjustfrog]

a permanent memorial at school for both girls would be great...

I suggest not giving the family any more money.

Instead, use the remaining funds to buy something for the school to use,

like cheer- leading or science-lab, or humane society etc. In memory of each girl....jmo

very good idea!!!!!
But we first have to ok things through WS. Then if enough are interested, the fund at the bank could be set up for the school. I know board members, principal, etc. I am sure they would use it for the permanent memorial first. They are only considering it at this point. Nothing has been decided for certain yet. They said they would like to make a garden area with benches, so it could be that we may just have SOME to CONTRIBUTE to this, but not enough to fund it.

[GetSmart]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66479

Go to this link fRog it can explain your question...I think

[GetSmart]

A permanent memorial at school for both girls would be great...

I suggest NOT giving the family any more money.

Instead, use the remaining funds to buy something for the school to use,

do something for: cheer- leading or science-lab, or humane society etc. in memory of each girl....jmo


Yes good idea..


ETA
There are 350 viewing Caylee & Casey
7 girls.. that is so sad

[frogjustfrog]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66479

Go to this link fRog it can explain your question...I think

Yes I see that, GS.
I was just going by what Taylor's obituary with Shurden Funeral Home in Henryetta says. It lists two sisters as:

Jennifer Paschal of Weleetka and
Linda Kay Placker of Weleetka.

I noticed Jennifer's name is Paschal AND the daughter of Tony is also Jennifer Paschal. I dont think that commonly siblings give THEIR siblings the same names. :waitasec: But again, this is JMPO

[frogjustfrog]

Paschal Family

Carl and Ruby Paschal - Children

Vicky Ann (47) - Peter Placker
Tony Carl (54) - Linda Jenkins daughter Jennifer Juanita
Joe (William) Mosher married -Nell (50) -

Notice Tony's daughter's name. Or am I reading this wrong? If so, oopsy! sry. :confused:



http://newsok.com/article/3254870?topten_check=yes
"Her parents are really distraught," said Mosher, who is the brother of Taylor`s mother. "They`re a very poor family." Mosher said his niece was vibrant and full of energy.

Like I said, I am not the greatest sluether.
(my comments in Red)

[Mysterylover]

Yes I see that, GS.
I was just going by what Taylor's obituary with Shurden Funeral Home in Henryetta says. It lists two sisters as:

Jennifer Paschal of Weleetka and
Linda Kay Placker of Weleetka.

I noticed Jennifer's name is Paschal AND the daughter of Tony is also Jennifer Paschal.
I dont think that commonly siblings give THEIR siblings the same names. :waitasec: But again, this is JMPO.....

After looking at many family pictures, I think Taylor looked the most like Jennifer Paschal and John Paschal....jmo

[Ann Fan]

This is my first post although I have been reading along on both WS and topix for quite some time. I have finally joined WS and wanted to let you girls know that you are not alone in wanting this case solved. I have thought from the beginning that something was not right with the uncle making a point to advertise how 'poor' the family was. It did not seem appropriate for the time and place- It just didn't sit well with me then and still doesn't. I also agree that the media seems to have put this story away rather quickly considering the brutality of it - it should have been broadcasted continuously on Nancy Grace and Greta - to me, neither show has pursued it like they have others in the past - I wonder if it is because they were asked not to for some reason we are not aware, or if they have just brushed it aside - I wouldn't know how to go about bringing it to the forefront again - if it were a relative of mine they wouldn't have been able to shut me up - Again, I don't understand the complacent attitude of the media - or law enforcement for that matter.All I can do is pray that there is a 'method to their madness' so to speak and we will some day be made aware of the reason for the silence. Until then, good job girls, I enjoy your sleuthing -

[LifeSaver]

Yes, that is a sad case. I watched Nancy Grace eariler one of her quest made the point that an "Amber Alert" never went out...and that LE have some hidden information. I can't believe Casyes mother has flip-flopped. She should not have spoiled that bratty child and maybe this wouldn't have happened

[Just Nose'n around]

Are there any locals, any that are aware if local papers are covering the case?

[Ann Fan]

The Tulsa World is about as local as I get and I haven't seen anything written in quite some time. I don't know about the smaller town newspapers - you would think they would.

[little726]

Hi Frog...good idea girlfriend !!:clap:


Does anyone remember who it was that got arrested on an outstanding warrant after the girls were murdered. It was someone in family.


07-15-2008 BWIR8 - PLACKER, CHRISTOPHER RYAN 9799820 Jul 15 2008 10:04:46:220AM Realized $ 50.00
BENCH WARRANT ISSUED - RULE 8, JUDGE: TOM LUCAS - BOND AMOUNT: $1,499.87

COMMENT: DEFENDANT FAILED TO APPEAR 05-05-2008. BOND SET AT CASH BOND
($ 50.00)


GS, I found this last week on Christopher Placker, www.oscn.net.

[Just Nose'n around]

The memorial for the girls at their school is a great idea! I feel sorry for the kids that have to go back to school without their 2 friends. Those that were on the tv not long after the murders will prolly have a hard time.

[little726]

By my last post, I'm not saying he got arrested.....he just has an "active" warrant for his arrest.

[GetSmart]

Thank you little I was going over the criminal threads but they ALL seemed to blend in & I got so mixed up..
I was just trying to see if there was a connection. I remember us talking in the beginning about this and maybe there was a reason other than it appeared.

[Tom'sGirl]

After looking at many family pictures, I think Taylor looked the most like Jennifer Paschal and John Paschal....jmo
I wonder who these family members are http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif
http://i35.tinypic.com/v7z79l.jpg
Trooper Mike Choate walks with family members near the scene during an investigation of the shooting deaths of 11-year-old Skyla Jade Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker of Weleetka on June 12, 2008.

[frogjustfrog]

Are there any locals, any that are aware if local papers are covering the case?

I have a subscription to the Henryetta Daily Freelance since I heard about one of the crosses being marred. I have not seen any new news. I dont believe anyone is given anything to report down there. I once heard that Okemah gets most the information if there is any, because it is the Okfuskee County seat, the county in which the girls were BARELY inside.

[cloudajo]

Hey all.

I was just googling Joe Mosher and found this transcript from June 11th (Larry King). Joe Mosher says he had had seen Taylor 2 weeks ago at a family reunion. He makes it sound like that was the last time he saw her. That was Memorial Day weekend. So now we know why Taylor didn't go to the camp with Skyla. I wonder who was at the family reunion.
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KING: What can you tell us, Joe, about Taylor?

MOSHER: Taylor was a great little girl. She -- I was with her just two weeks ago. We had a family reunion. And she was just a great little girl. She loved animals. She had her -- she owned a horse. She rescued turtles off the highway and wrote her name on them and turned them loose out in the country. You know, there was just things -- and she was smart. She was very smart. She was home schooled at first and then she found that when she moved out there, she started going to the public school. And she was in the top of her class, you know.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0806/11/lkl.01.html

[cloudajo]

Here's another article from June 11th I thought was interesting. A message from Claudia Farrow for other moms. It reads like Rose (as the mom) may have had a bad feeling or doubts about Skyla being at Taylor's that weekend, doesn't it? Skyla had slept over Taylor's before, so was something different about that weekend?

It stuck out to me.

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Momlogic also spoke with Skyla Jade Whitaker's grandmother, 58-year-old Claudia Farrow, who had this message for other moms (http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/): "Keep your kids close. Never feel like you can let them out of your sight. And if you do take your child somewhere and levave them and you don't feel right about it, then go back and get them. You never know what can happen."


http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/slaying_victims_grandma_keep_y.php (http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/slaying_victims_grandma_keep_y.php)

[Tom'sGirl]

The Tulsa World is about as local as I get and I haven't seen anything written in quite some time. I don't know about the smaller town newspapers - you would think they would.
Welcome to WS Ann.

The newspapers aren't going to bang on doors to get a story when the families aren't doing anything to keep this in the news.

I know what other families with little income have done, and it wasn't acting like sheep and laying low.

They contacted every Media outlet they could on line and in letters; carried signs; set up a Web page; recruited friends to spread the word, on and on.

Money has nothing to do with being a voice for your family to promote actions. It may take time, but never ever should they be silent.

[Lauren - CA]

Here's another article from June 11th I thought was interesting. A message from Claudia Farrow for other moms. It reads like Rose (as the mom) may have had a bad feeling or doubts about Skyla being at Taylor's that weekend, doesn't it? Skyla had slept over Taylor's before, so was something different about that weekend?

It stuck out to me.

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Momlogic also spoke with Skyla Jade Whitaker's grandmother, 58-year-old Claudia Farrow, who had this message for other moms (http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/): "Keep your kids close. Never feel like you can let them out of your sight. And if you do take your child somewhere and levave them and you don't feel right about it, then go back and get them. You never know what can happen."


http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/slaying_victims_grandma_keep_y.php (http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/slaying_victims_grandma_keep_y.php)

I remember reading that as well. I found the wording odd. As did when I read this message from Skyla's guest book.

June 10, 2008
Rose and family,
Randy & I were so sorry to hear the news. Thank-you again for protecting Jennifer from harm. God Bless You!
Randy & Karen
(Seneca, MO)


What harm was Rose protecting Jennifer from? I suspected the Jennifer mentioned in this tribute was Jennifer Spaulding. Jennifer Spaulding is listed as Skyla's sister in the Joplin Globe obit. This is the obit where we found out that her real dad is named Kim Getman. William is her step-father. Note that Jennifer was not listed as a sister in the funeral home obituary. I found a Randy, Karen and Jennifer Spaulding listed in Seneca, MO on the internet. Same people? I think so. How do they relate to all this? How is Jennifer Skyla's sister? Has anyone found that out?

[CASuzk]

I'm still leaning towards the idea the killers were young, not an older gray haired guy.
I think it was boys, maybe about 13-17 years old, out with the guns for other reasons.
They may have tried to intimidate the girls just for the thrill of being mean and when the girls sassed them back, saying they would tell, they shot at them, not to kill but it ended up that way. With school starting soon, they are going to have a hard time keeping the secret. If I were the local LE people, I'd be knocking on doors and talking to anyone with an adolecent male in the house.
When I was a kid, I was shot intimidated and shot at with a .22 by an evil 2nd cousin. I can totally see him doing something like that, he was raised with no boundaries by a Mom who kept finding him new stepdaddies. About 20 years ago, he put a gun to his own head and blew a chunk out of it. He's spent those last 20 years being taken care of and I don't feel one bit sorry for his ruined life.

[Busylady]

This is another reason I think Tony Paschal is Vickys ex and not her brother. To me it fits with Joe Mosher and Vicky being brother and sister that has been reported several times. (I know some posters here think I am dead wrong and nuts to think this way and thats ok with me).

Paschal Family

Carl and Ruby Paschal - Children

Vicky Ann (47) - Peter Placker
Tony Carl (54) - Linda Jenkins daughter Jennifer Juanita
Joe (William) Mosher married -Nell (50) -



http://newsok.com/article/3254870?topten_check=yes
"Her parents are really distraught," said Mosher, who is the brother of Taylor`s mother. "They`re a very poor family." Mosher said his niece was vibrant and full of energy.

[Ann Fan]

Welcome to WS Ann.

The newspapers aren't going to bang on doors to get a story when the families aren't doing anything to keep this in the news.

I know what other families with little income have done, and it wasn't acting like sheep and laying low.

They contacted every Media outlet they could on line and in letters; carried signs; set up a Web page; recruited friends to spread the word, on and on.

Money has nothing to do with being a voice for your family to promote actions. It may take time, but never ever should they be silent.

Thank you for the welcome Tom's Girl. I agree with you 100%. That is one of the most puzzling things about this case is the lack of outrage and media attention. It is as if they are all keeping it quiet on purpose. I just don't know.

[Claycat]

This is weird.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wele...HAR4RS395/p402 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p402)

Read post #9351

[GetSmart]

Thank-you again for protecting Jennifer from harm


What I understand it was just that.. I think that special precautions were made as in media ect.. being kept away from them & their property.

[Tom'sGirl]

This is weird.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wele...HAR4RS395/p402 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p402)

Read post #9351
To get the exact post click on the post number and copy the link from your navigation bar like this

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p401#c9351

[Claycat]

Like this?

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p402#c9351

[Tom'sGirl]

Like this?

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p402#c9351
LOL, yes, like that!

BTW, when I read that post earlier I had to laugh, it's been inactive since 2004, what a joke it is over there!

[GetSmart]

This is weird.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wele...HAR4RS395/p402 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p402)

Read post #9351
Ok I see it now at first I ended up here & this is what I saw..


PLEASE IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THE INCIDENT, PLEASE REPORT IT TO THE OSBI. WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE COULD HARM TO INOCENT CHILDREN. ANY TRUTHFUL INFORMATION WOULD POSSIBLY HELP US WITH SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRAGIC EVENT. WE LOVE YOU SKYLA, OUR PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE PLACKER FAMILY.

[YellowDog]

http://www.elpasotimes.com/nationworld/ci_9948797

Here is an excerpt from the above link which had an interesting statement by Jessica Brown

Meanwhile, interviews and polygraph tests have eliminated 100 people as suspects, Brown said.

We want to see the right people come forward and not those wanting to get back at a former boyfriend," she said. "That's what we're dealing with now."

Has there been any comment about this statement? It sounds as if she's referring to someone specific.

Is there a family member who wanted to get back at a former boyfriend?

[Claycat]

OT - Yellow Dog, you just made me very homesick. I'm from El Paso. :(

[FlowerChild]

http://www.elpasotimes.com/nationworld/ci_9948797

Here is an excerpt from the above link which had an interesting statement by Jessica Brown

Meanwhile, interviews and polygraph tests have eliminated 100 people as suspects, Brown said.

We want to see the right people come forward and not those wanting to get back at a former boyfriend," she said. "That's what we're dealing with now."

Has there been any comment about this statement? It sounds as if she's referring to someone specific.

Is there a family member who wanted to get back at a former boyfriend?
Linda Kaye Placker is still rather obsessed with Mikal Caudle, he's the subject of most of the poems on her web site. Mikal got married to someone else last year AND he has a criminal record AND is/was a friend of her brothers.

I am sure she isn't the only one, it happens in every case where LE asks the public to call in tips - women scorned try to get even...and LE has to at least take down the infor and give it a cursory check because ONE of the 500 calls just might be about the real POI or killer.

My Opinion

[Ann Fan]

Claycat - I'm not sure how things work around here yet - it's all new to me. I replied to your message. I hope you got it.

[FlowerChild]

Carl L and Ruby (Moore) Paschal

Son Tony Carl Paschal age 54 (wife of 35 years is Linda B Jenkins) - Jennifer Juanita age 33 is their daughter
Daughter Vickie Ann Paschal age 48 husband Peter S Placker age 49

Ruby's Son (???) Joe Mosher age 59

Vicky Paschal-Placker is definitely Tony's SISTER, not his ex wife. Tony has been married to Linda for 35 years, Jennifer Juanita is their daughter and she is 33.


Carl Paschal's Brother is Joel Paschal married to Lorene

Their children are
Jimmy Carl Paschal age 54
Troy J Paschal age 46
Cecil Lee Paschal age 58
Patricia Paschal Walker Sexton age 46
Esther Paschal age 52
John Eugene Paschal age 44

I have the entire family (Paschal and Placker) mapped out pretty thoroughly (let me know if you want it) - and it isn't easy - there are a BUNCH of Paschals and an even BIGGER BUNCH of Plackers. It's really confusing when you start looking up criminal records under the two names - you need a family tree to figure out everyone's relationship. And even with all the work I don't know exactly how Joe Mosher is Vicky and Tony's (Half) brother Or how Lanita Sue Bateman (Baby Cousin Nita doing life) is a cousin but she LaNita is definitely related to Peter And Vicky somehow - same address comes up for both in the past - Nora O Bateman (57) is her Mother.

I bet the reunions are mucho interesting :eek:

My Opinion

[GetSmart]

You said it FC.LOL

Ok I have to give it a rest..I am becoming wacked out now. My latest thought..Say just say the POI was made up ..I wonder if someone was using the the description of the officer in Saving Grace. They are located in Oklahoma...
See I told you I was wacked.

[Okie ties]

This is weird.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wele...HAR4RS395/p402 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p402)

Read post #9351

LOL, yes, like that!

BTW, when I read that post earlier I had to laugh, it's been inactive since 2004, what a joke it is over there!


Let me preface this by saying I think topix is full of nuts and while I do continue read it to search for additional clues, I don't generally believe the majority of it. HOWEVER, when I further searched the post referencing a yahoo id, I found an old Xanga profile that listed an MSN/hotmail id, as well as the name Shawn and a birthdate of 9/4/1992. That led me to a youtube account that is current as well as current On Live, Steam, Yahoo and MYSPACE account links. The myspace profile opening page lists a male, age 18, from HELL, texas and his profile comment says "I got something to say! I killed your baby today, and it doesn't matter much to me as long as its dead."
I have no idea what if anything this means.

[frogjustfrog]

Carl L and Ruby (Moore) Paschal

Son Tony Carl Paschal age 54 (wife of 35 years is Linda B Jenkins) - Jennifer Juanita age 33 is their daughter
Daughter Vickie Ann Paschal age 48 husband Peter S Placker age 49

Ruby's Son (???) Joe Mosher age 59

Vicky Paschal-Placker is definitely Tony's SISTER, not his ex wife. Tony has been married to Linda for 35 years, Jennifer Juanita is their daughter and she is 33.


Carl Paschal's Brother is Joel Paschal married to Lorene

Their children are
Jimmy Carl Paschal age 54
Troy J Paschal age 46
Cecil Lee Paschal age 58
Patricia Paschal Walker Sexton age 46
Esther Paschal age 52
John Eugene Paschal age 44

I have the entire family (Paschal and Placker) mapped out pretty thoroughly (let me know if you want it) - and it isn't easy - there are a BUNCH of Paschals and an even BIGGER BUNCH of Plackers. It's really confusing when you start looking up criminal records under the two names - you need a family tree to figure out everyone's relationship. And even with all the work I don't know exactly how Joe Mosher is Vicky and Tony's (Half) brother Or how Lanita Sue Bateman (Baby Cousin Nita doing life) is a cousin but she LaNita is definitely related to Peter And Vicky somehow - same address comes up for both in the past - Nora O Bateman (57) is her Mother.

I bet the reunions are mucho interesting :eek:

My Opinion

Ok.... call me a dummy, I keep pointing something out, but get no answer so obviously I am missing something.

Tony Paschal, Vicky's brother and his wife, Linda, of 35 years, have a daughter named Jennifer Juanita (I am assuming Juanita is her middle name and her last name is Paschal.

In Taylor's obit with Shurden's, it lists Jennifer Paschal as her sister. Does she have a sister named Jennifer Paschal, and a first cousin by her mother's (biological grandmother) brother Tony, who also has a daughter named Jennifer with a middle name of Juanita.

So what is the middle name of Taylor's sister, Jennifer Paschal?

Is her cousin, her adopted sister?

[frogjustfrog]

FC.... I am interested in seeing what you have mapped out. Please and thank you!

[frogjustfrog]

Let me preface this by saying I think topix is full of nuts and while I do continue read it to search for additional clues, I don't generally believe the majority of it. HOWEVER, when I further searched the post referencing a yahoo id, I found an old Xanga profile that listed an MSN/hotmail id, as well as the name Shawn and a birthdate of 9/4/1992. That led me to a youtube account that is current as well as current On Live, Steam, Yahoo and MYSPACE account links. The myspace profile opening page lists a male, age 18, from HELL, texas and his profile comment says "I got something to say! I killed your baby today, and it doesn't matter much to me as long as its dead."
I have no idea what if anything this means.


This is getting more confusing by the minute. Brother and sister, each have a daughter named Jennifer Paschal. No one knows the biological mother of Taylor Dawn Paschal Placker, and now this stuff above!
I think I need a rest. It is not uncommon for family to take in or adopt children of other family members. I just wish I KNEW how it fits.

[GetSmart]

Originally Posted by Okie ties http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2455649#post2455649)Let me preface this by saying I think topix is full of nuts and while I do continue read it to search for additional clues, I don't generally believe the majority of it. HOWEVER, when I further searched the post referencing a yahoo id, I found an old Xanga profile that listed an MSN/hotmail id, as well as the name Shawn and a birthdate of 9/4/1992. That led me to a youtube account that is current as well as current On Live, Steam, Yahoo and MYSPACE account links. The myspace profile opening page lists a male, age 18, from HELL, texas and his profile comment says "I got something to say! I killed your baby today, and it doesn't matter much to me as long as its dead."
I have no idea what if anything this means.

Now that is spooky. What in the world?
By the way great job Okie

[Okie ties]

Now that is spooky. What in the world?
By the way great job Okie


Thanks GS, at this point it's probably just a shot in the dark.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Here's another article from June 11th I thought was interesting. A message from Claudia Farrow for other moms. It reads like Rose (as the mom) may have had a bad feeling or doubts about Skyla being at Taylor's that weekend, doesn't it? Skyla had slept over Taylor's before, so was something different about that weekend?

It stuck out to me.

------------------

Momlogic also spoke with Skyla Jade Whitaker's grandmother, 58-year-old Claudia Farrow, who had this message for other moms (http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/): "Keep your kids close. Never feel like you can let them out of your sight. And if you do take your child somewhere and levave them and you don't feel right about it, then go back and get them. You never know what can happen."


http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/slaying_victims_grandma_keep_y.php (http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/slaying_victims_grandma_keep_y.php)


:eek:

[FlowerChild]

Ok.... call me a dummy, I keep pointing something out, but get no answer so obviously I am missing something.

Tony Paschal, Vicky's brother and his wife, Linda, of 35 years, have a daughter named Jennifer Juanita (I am assuming Juanita is her middle name and her last name is Paschal.

In Taylor's obit with Shurden's, it lists Jennifer Paschal as her sister. Does she have a sister named Jennifer Paschal, and a first cousin by her mother's (biological grandmother) brother Tony, who also has a daughter named Jennifer with a middle name of Juanita.

So what is the middle name of Taylor's sister, Jennifer Paschal?

Is her cousin, her adopted sister?

No Jennifer Juanita Paschal (Custer) (B:1976) is Tony and Linda Paschal's daughter, Jennifer M Paschal (Brown) (Holland) (B: 1975) is Vicky and Peter Placker's daughter. They both have the same 1st name and are 1st cousins

[Imjen]

Let me preface this by saying I think topix is full of nuts and while I do continue read it to search for additional clues, I don't generally believe the majority of it. HOWEVER, when I further searched the post referencing a yahoo id, I found an old Xanga profile that listed an MSN/hotmail id, as well as the name Shawn and a birthdate of 9/4/1992. That led me to a youtube account that is current as well as current On Live, Steam, Yahoo and MYSPACE account links. The myspace profile opening page lists a male, age 18, from HELL, texas and his profile comment says "I got something to say! I killed your baby today, and it doesn't matter much to me as long as its dead."
I have no idea what if anything this means.



Hello!
I'm excited to have something to post (this is my first)!
Those are song lyrics quoted in his profile. By The Misfits, I think?

Back to reading!

[Busylady]

FC, I just think its something we are gonna have to agree to disagree on lol. It is so confusing and have multiply marriages and step children etc. In the big picture I do not think it is going to make a difference but I have some of the following that is different than your records.

Tony Paschal born 12/17/1956 (51 yrs of age vs your 54 yrs of age)
I show him married to a Teresa Brown (49 yrs of age) show them married in 1981.

I show Linda B. Jenkins (54) married to George R. Jenkins (53) married 7/8/1972 and possible roomates to Tony Paschal.

Carl Lee Paschal brothers and sisters

Joe Lee Paschal vs Joel 11/9/1929 - 10/11/2002 m Lorene Prock 3/3/1933-6/18/2007
one of Joe's sons Cecil Paschal 6/27/1950 - 4/8/1999 (murdered)
another son passed early Troy Paschal 6/15/1962 - 7/21/2005
Joyce Paschal
Ozella Paschal
Ola Paschal
Sharon Paschal

I cant find how Nora Bateman is connected either, but she is connected to Danny, Robert, and Jimmy Bateman and you would need an entire month to track all the criminal stuff there as well.

FC you have done an amazing job tracking the family, we just have some different information which makes us come to different conclusions.

[Busylady]

Jennifer M Paschal 2/23/1975 mother is Lynda (Frances) Paschal 9/26/1947 and her father is Charles Eugene Paschal 1/24/1943 they were married in Grayson Texas 3/28/1969.

No Jennifer Juanita Paschal (Custer) (B:1976) is Tony and Linda Paschal's daughter, Jennifer M Paschal (Brown) (Holland) (B: 1975) is Vicky and Peter Placker's daughter. They both have the same 1st name and are 1st cousins

[Trino]

I flit between monitoring WS and Topix (if I can stand it). Roy on Topix occasionally has some interesting comments. His latest is a rumor that the hard drive was damaged by OSBI, and they were unable to boot up the Placker computer.

Now, of course, we don't know if this is true, but since we've heard nothing, maybe it is true.

[christine2448]

I flit between monitoring WS and Topix (if I can stand it). Roy on Topix occasionally has some interesting comments. His latest is a rumor that the hard drive was damaged by OSBI, and they were unable to boot up the Placker computer.

Now, of course, we don't know if this is true, but since we've heard nothing, maybe it is true.

Interesting this would come up..I read an article this morning about computer forensics...this case was mentioned , I guess because the story originates in this area, (sorry if this is what you are discussing, popping in and out while at work)

'Deleted' clues help solve state crimes (http://newsok.com/deleted-clues-help-solve-crimes/article/3279087/?tm=1217908831)

*snip




When homicide detectives have exhausted all leads, they might look at e-mails sent by the victim, what cell phone calls were made or even the person's Internet history, Holland said.
Such was the case in Weleetka, where Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13, and Skyla Whitaker, 11, were shot to death June 8 on a rural road.
Investigators confiscated several computers the girls might have used to determine whether they could develop any leads, Kennedy said.
He would not say whether the computers have aided in the investigation, but said it never hurts to have one extra tool. "If agents solve the case in two or three days without the computer, then fine,” Kennedy said. "But if they run out of leads, then we can break into the computer and at least get the address book and take a look at e-mails and Web history and see if there is something there that will provide a lead.”

[YellowDog]

Carl L and Ruby (Moore) Paschal

Son Tony Carl Paschal age 54 (wife of 35 years is Linda B Jenkins) - Jennifer Juanita age 33 is their daughter
Daughter Vickie Ann Paschal age 48 husband Peter S Placker age 49

Ruby's Son (???) Joe Mosher age 59

Vicky Paschal-Placker is definitely Tony's SISTER, not his ex wife. Tony has been married to Linda for 35 years, Jennifer Juanita is their daughter and she is 33.


Carl Paschal's Brother is Joel Paschal married to Lorene

Their children are
Jimmy Carl Paschal age 54
Troy J Paschal age 46
Cecil Lee Paschal age 58
Patricia Paschal Walker Sexton age 46
Esther Paschal age 52
John Eugene Paschal age 44

I have the entire family (Paschal and Placker) mapped out pretty thoroughly (let me know if you want it) - and it isn't easy - there are a BUNCH of Paschals and an even BIGGER BUNCH of Plackers. It's really confusing when you start looking up criminal records under the two names - you need a family tree to figure out everyone's relationship. And even with all the work I don't know exactly how Joe Mosher is Vicky and Tony's (Half) brother Or how Lanita Sue Bateman (Baby Cousin Nita doing life) is a cousin but she LaNita is definitely related to Peter And Vicky somehow - same address comes up for both in the past - Nora O Bateman (57) is her Mother.

I bet the reunions are mucho interesting :eek:

My Opinion


Could Lanita possibly be Juanita's real name. You know how some kids want to change their names as they get older............maybe a combination of Linda/Juanita?

[YellowDog]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080727_12_A1_hWELEE443106

According to this article in a Tulsa newspaper on 7-27-08, Joe Mosher was at work when he heard the 911 call and then went home. He also states that Vicky made the call.
How would he hear the 911 call?

[Trino]

Interesting this would come up..I read an article this morning about computer forensics...this case was mentioned , I guess because the story originates in this area, (sorry if this is what you are discussing, popping in and out while at work)'Deleted' clues help solve state crimes (http://newsok.com/deleted-clues-help-solve-crimes/article/3279087/?tm=1217908831)

*snip

IMO if the hard drive was NOT damaged, nothing of interest was found. It would not take long to trace an email. I think the same can be said of the funeral guest book.

Don't you mildly suspect that someone local knows or suspects something, even if the killers weren't local but just won't talk because the people in the area are so closely knit?

[SailorMoon]

That is so very true -- worth repeating. Whoever did this to these 2 girls, is as cold blooded and as heartless as you can get. OSBI has been trumped.
So - now what???



**respectfully snipped**

Yes, it's true there isn't any new news on this case, but that is OSBI's fault. They thought they held the trump card when they played that 911 call. Any one that could face two girls and shoot then point blank like they did, does not care about Vicky crying to the 911 operator.....even if they are related. Sorry.

[Trino]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080727_12_A1_hWELEE443106

According to this article in a Tulsa newspaper o 7-27-08, Joe Mosher was at work when he heard the 911 call and then went home. He also states that Vicky made the call.
How would he hear the 911 call?

Probably on the news, like the rest of us. Did you also notice in one sentence he says they're worried because OSBI is taking so long: in the next sentence he praises them for doing a great job.

[YellowDog]

Probably on the news, like the rest of us. Did you also notice in one sentence he says they're worried because OSBI is taking so long: in the next sentence he praises them for doing a great job.

I did see that and thought it was strange. I didn't think they released the 911 call right away.....I thought it was several days later so couldn't understand how he could have heard it the day of the murders.

[Mysterylover]

This is weird.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wele...HAR4RS395/p402 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p402)

Read post #9351....

CC... I'm a little too late to read post #9351, on Topix...

This is also weird..It seems post from 9346 thru 9352 have been deleted.

IF the post wasn't rude or obscene, then why would it be deleted?....jmo

[Mysterylover]

That is so very true -- worth repeating.

Whoever did this to these 2 girls, is as Cold Blooded and as Heartless as you can get.
OSBI has been trumped.
So - now what???

I want to ad, the killer is a weak low-down, spineless, COWARD...
I pray LE finds this TRASH soon...

We as a society should bring back the "firing squad", for this type of crime,
I can't see my hard earned tax money supporting this monster for the rest of his/her/their life....jmo

[Trino]

That is so very true -- worth repeating. Whoever did this to these 2 girls, is as cold blooded and as heartless as you can get. OSBI has been trumped.
So - now what???

I think you may be correct. The 911 call was to elicit sympathy, most likely from a female who knows something. IMO if they've heard nothing by now, revealing the 911 PARTIAL call was meaningless. Then, too, there may not be a female who knows anything.

One question that stands out to me is why the Plackers are afraid to live in their house. I can understand not wanting to be near the crime scene, but being afraid is another type of statement.

[SailorMoon]

that was my question.....the post wasn't there and there were several that were gone. What did it say?

And is there a picture of Joe Mosher anywhere?? His behavior, just my wild thoughts here, but his behavior kind of reminds me of, and I hate to say this because I don't think Mosher is a perv, but I'm getting the Michael Jacques feel about him. I may be totally wrong as well.

CC... I'm a little too late to read post #9351, on Topix...

This is also weird..It seems post from 9346 thru 9352 have been deleted.

IF the post wasn't rude or obscene, then why would it be deleted?....jmo

[SailorMoon]

I can kind of see it....their daughter (grand) was gunned down in cold blood, less than a mile from their home, and OSBI doesn't seem have a clue....I wouldn't want to be there, or have to drive by it everyday. Maybe the term "scared" was a random choice of words. But..didn't that come from good ole Uncle Joe???

I think you may be correct. The 911 call was to elicit sympathy, most likely from a female who knows something. IMO if they've heard nothing by now, revealing the 911 PARTIAL call was meaningless. Then, too, there may not be a female who knows anything.

One question that stands out to me is why the Plackers are afraid to live in their house. I can understand not wanting to be near the crime scene, but being afraid is another type of statement.

[SailorMoon]

Geeze, now I'm stuck on uncle Joe. (re: his comments in that Tulsa World article). Maybe OSBI isn't telling Uncle Joe what he wants to hear.

[Annie]

He may not have heard the exact call, but in some places anyone who has a scanner can hear calls from police units. I don't blame the Plackers for moving. Not only is it a constant reminder every time they go down that road, but until someone is arrested and they know why the girls were killed, the family may very well be in danger. The only problem is, if someone really wants to find them, they can no matter where they go especially if there is a family connection in any way.

[YellowDog]

You are right Annie, if this was a revenge killing for something connected to the Placker family, they may be moving for their own safety.

[Okie ties]

Quote from Sailor Moon: "that was my question.....the post wasn't there and there were several that were gone. What did it say?

SM, The post inferred that the POI had been monitoring topix yesterday and had left an email for a friend. It was a yahoo account that hasn't been used for quite a while. Through more research however, I found that yahoo email linked to an old Xanga which listed others emails that then linked me to a current youtube account and also a current myspace. I do find it interesting that those posts on topix were removed. I understand taking the email address of, but why all the posts around that?

[Okie ties]

Hello!
I'm excited to have something to post (this is my first)!
Those are song lyrics quoted in his profile. By The Misfits, I think?

Back to reading!

Welcome Imjen! Thanks for your insight. You were right. The quote is from the misfits song, Last Caress. Pretty unsettling lyrics.. killed your baby, raped your mother, one last caress.... sweet death.

[Trino]

Quote from Sailor Moon: "that was my question.....the post wasn't there and there were several that were gone. What did it say?

SM, The post inferred that the POI had been monitoring topix yesterday and had left an email for a friend. It was a yahoo account that hasn't been used for quite a while. Through more research however, I found that yahoo email linked to an old Xanga which listed others emails that then linked me to a current youtube account and also a current myspace. I do find it interesting that those posts on topix were removed. I understand taking the email address of, but why all the posts around that?

Most likely they were removed because the posters quoted the original.

[Imjen]

Thanks for the welcome, Okie Ties! Very disturbing lyrics, I remember this song upsetting me when I was a kid. Yuck.

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote]And is there a picture of Joe Mosher anywhere??
PHOTO THREAD HERE http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2439610&postcount=23

[SailorMoon]

trey bizzare Tom's Girl!! I just searched and found those same pics. Hmm. Wasn't what I was expecting. Which has no relevance or meaning. I mean what is the text book description for an uncle Joe anyway?? I had seen them early on in the case but you know how that all blends together. I don't know.

Who the heck did this anyway? I'd like to know what they really found on the computers and phones. If the girls were in contact with someone else...that day or at all.

[Tom'sGirl]

snipped
that was my question.....the post wasn't there and there were several that were gone. What did it say?

#9351 15 hrs ago
rumor has it, the POI has been in here reading these post. He left his friend his email address on another forum. rezspaz@yahoo.com
http://profiles.yahoo.com/rezspaz (http://profiles.yahoo.com/rezspaz)

[frogjustfrog]

Could Lanita possibly be Juanita's real name. You know how some kids want to change their names as they get older............maybe a combination of Linda/Juanita?


Thank you, BusyLady and FlowerChild for the information. And here I thought I was beginning to slueth!
Strange to me that 1st cousins have the same name, but maybe not so strange to other families.

All this name stuff is making me dizzy! And the rapsheets! I may need a brain transfusion to get it all together! Mine's getting old!

[Okie ties]

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#9351 15 hrs ago
rumor has it, the POI has been in here reading these post. He left his friend his email address on another forum. rezspaz@yahoo.com
http://profiles.yahoo.com/rezspaz (http://profiles.yahoo.com/rezspaz)

This all leads to someone who posts under "Big bad john". Reference to real name Ricky Cates. Used to live in oklahoma. Still goes back fishing. Posts on McAlester topix. Friend posted that he in under care of psychologist for severe multiple personality disorder. This is BBJ's latest post:

i,m going away for a=while my psychologst said it would be good for me to get away from the internet,,, i,m sorry for making all you folks mad,,, my psychologst says i suffer dissocitve identy disoder,,, big bad john is one of my identies i,m now taking zoloft and some other medences to help me,,, my psycholgost told me to stay=off the computar for a=while,, i will be back soon a canged man and will be nice to every one, i will also be posting this on all the other foroms,, i go to on topics.

take care,,
big bad John

p,s, i may get on the topics and try to post agin, and say i didn,t mean to or my natphrew posts these,,, i don,t even have a natphew,, goodbye folks,

Seems he used to live in Hartshome, OK. Another poster knows him and made the comment that he should be ashamed of what he did to that poor indian girl a long time ago. ???? I don't know if this pertains to anything. But it is interesting.

[YellowDog]

Thank you, BusyLady and FlowerChild for the information. And here I thought I was beginning to slueth!
Strange to me that 1st cousins have the same name, but maybe not so strange to other families.

All this name stuff is making me dizzy! And the rapsheets! I may need a brain transfusion to get it all together! Mine's getting old!


Any local news on the murders today?

[Tom'sGirl]

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