Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #23

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around Caylee has a sub forum, (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166) there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.


Newbies.....

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I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872).

[ShinaLite]

Thanks christine....


wanted to bring my post over from the last thread


Listening to the longer call between Casey and Lee something jumped out at me..She says the last time she spoke to Caylee was on the 15 when gm called LE..he asked what number she called from and Casey said it only said "private"
didnt she tell the 911 operator that she called the number back and it was disconnected or out of service...how could she call a number back she didnt see because it was private??

I also noticed after Lee hung up casey let out a big sign of relief...

[liltigress]

I think she ditched the original phone which she claims Zenaida's phone number was stored in. Stupid for her to think she can erase the evidence on the phone bill though, or non-evidence.

[cindilou]

Thanks christine....


wanted to bring my post over from the last thread

you're right she said the number was out of service or something like that.. if it was private, she wouldn't have been able to call back and find that out!!

shocking.. another lie

[athy]

Thanks christine....


wanted to bring my post over from the last thread


maybe it was Lee that had the big sigh knowing she just gave him a lot of bs

[olive]

There is one 21 year old Juliet Lewis on myspace in Tallahassee. How far from Orlando is Tallahassee?

[ChattyWoman]

babycat
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: biloxi
Posts: 107

Well, luckily these mysteriously lost numbers will have no bearing on her monthly cell phone bill They will still show up there.

Actually, Lee will not have to wait at all to get the numbers if she has ATT. I can access my account and have up to date info on all calls - incoming and outgoing, AND all text messages - incoming and outgoing.
Date, time, and number called/received...same with text.

[Mygirlsadie]

See that is what happens with liars...they have to remember all their lies so their story stays the same. She is already starting to mess up.. (slowly) IMO it's too dang hard to make up a lie because then you always have to make up another one to cover the first one etc etc..too exhausting for me!





Thanks christine....


wanted to bring my post over from the last thread

[Patty G]

Thanks christine....


wanted to bring my post over from the last thread


Yup, Casey told the 911 operator that the phone is disconnected or no longer in service.

[Lucy's mom]

Thanks christine....


wanted to bring my post over from the last thread
Good catch. I hope that Lee caught on to that as well.

[bluedevil21]

She sounded WAY too "fine" to my liking!!

she won't talk, i more or less guarantee it. at least, not in a public official setting (unless that is, there is a deal on the table. which could be the case with lee. get your sister to confess and we wont charge her with first degree murder, etc.)

as for the cell phone, and i dont know the whole story, because i unfortunately havent been able to read everything yet...

there is no way a sim card can just fall out. they are normally secured inside your phone under a metal tab. most phone numbers are saved to the sim itself (thats why it makes it so difficult when you get a new phone or change cell companies to transfer your phone book). they can, arguably, be saved on the phone itself (which is the only way her story can be remotely true), but it is so highly unlikely its ridiculous. it would mean she saved alllll her other numbers on the sim card, except this one. and to change where you save a number, meaning to the sim card or phone, you have to actually go into a menu and select the new place to save. so even if she had saved this number to the phone, instead of the sim, she had to intentional do it. also, out of all numbers to tranfer, wouldn't you want to make sure you had contact with the person watching your kid every day? this is total BS.

as for phone records, with a subpoena you can order the company to turn over the records. i guarantee this has been done or will be. she is lying. blatantly. i think this is almost worse than some of the other instances.

can someone tell me, in a very brief manner, what exactly has come out or been released today? if not, i totally understand. i just cant go back and read everything right now...

[murdershewrote]

certainly the phone calls for the past 7 months (there must be thousands of them) will tell quite a story. Was LE already able to get these records?

[liltigress]

I'm listening to this again. It's got tons of information here and her story is slowly falling apart.

[Patty G]

babycat
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: biloxi
Posts: 107

Well, luckily these mysteriously lost numbers will have no bearing on her monthly cell phone bill They will still show up there.

Actually, Lee will not have to wait at all to get the numbers if she has ATT. I can access my account and have up to date info on all calls - incoming and outgoing, AND all text messages - incoming and outgoing.
Date, time, and number called/received...same with text.

AT&T is really quick in posting the numbers in and out as well as all the text messages! YEAH AT&T!!! :)

[PoppyMcTwist]

I just listened to the phone conversation between POS Casey and her brother Lee.

What REALLY jumped out at me was Casey saying she felt Caylee was still "close to home".


Could Casey have slipped and revealed a tiny clue as to Caylee's whereabouts?

Just a thought.

[Patty G]

certainly the phone calls for the past 7 months (there must be thousands of them) will tell quite a story. Was LE already able to get these records?

LE may not have been able to get these phone records yet. I remember something about a crime has to have been committed or reasons to get these records.

BUT the good thing is, LE has Casey's phone number and Casey revealed her passcode to Lee to access her account. Hello LE are you listening to the phone conversation? Passcode is 407!

[babycat]

Thanks christine....


wanted to bring my post over from the last thread

Good point...what a piece of work she is :rolleyes:

[Patty G]

I just listened to the phone conversation between POS Casey and her brother Lee.

What REALLY jumped out at me was Casey saying she felt Caylee was still "close to home".


Could Casey have slipped and revealed a tiny clue as to Caylee's whereabouts?

Just a thought.

I thought the same thing ......

[BethInAK]

Could Casey actually be delusionally hallucinating people?

[galvino]

:eek: all this stuff she's pulling out of her azz on this call with Lee reminds me of the spinning I did when I complained to my profs that I couldn't turn my paper in on that day because blah blah blechity blah wa wa wa! If I rambled on enough about stuff, the ones who could care less would roll their eyes and give me a pass- the astute teachers would do what Lee was doing and question me until I gave up and cracked!

I'm thinking Casey was thankful that her 15min phone call ran out and that is why we heard that big ole sigh outta her at the end!

[BethInAK]

there is no way a sim card can just fall out. they are normally secured inside your phone under a metal tab. most phone numbers are saved to the sim itself (thats why it makes it so difficult when you get a new phone or change cell companies to transfer your phone book). they can, arguably, be saved on the phone itself (which is the only way her story can be remotely true), but it is so highly unlikely its ridiculous. .

she said the PHONE fell out, I think, not the sim card- the phone fell out of her pocket.

[Beagle1]

Could someone please post again the URL to the second (20 minute) call? Thanks

[ebrich]

I just listened to the phone conversation between POS Casey and her brother Lee.

What REALLY jumped out at me was Casey saying she felt Caylee was still "close to home".


Could Casey have slipped and revealed a tiny clue as to Caylee's whereabouts?

Just a thought.

maybe its the opposite... maybe she wants to try and keep people looking around close to home.. when she's not anywhere near there?

[olive]

Could Casey actually be delusionally hallucinating people?

A modern day Sybil?

[liltigress]

How could she remember an exact area code from the last time Zenaida called her from, and different area codes she called from over this amount of time?

But she can't remember where her baby girl is and where her spendy black jack is.

[whiteangora]

maybe it was Lee that had the big sigh knowing she just gave him a lot of bs

I sure hope he knows, I can not believe the lies this chick is spewing

[babycat]

she won't talk, i more or less guarantee it. at least, not in a public official setting (unless that is, there is a deal on the table. which could be the case with lee. get your sister to confess and we wont charge her with first degree murder, etc.)

as for the cell phone, and i dont know the whole story, because i unfortunately havent been able to read everything yet...

there is no way a sim card can just fall out. they are normally secured inside your phone under a metal tab. most phone numbers are saved to the sim itself (thats why it makes it so difficult when you get a new phone or change cell companies to transfer your phone book). they can, arguably, be saved on the phone itself (which is the only way her story can be remotely true), but it is so highly unlikely its ridiculous. it would mean she saved alllll her other numbers on the sim card, except this one. and to change where you save a number, meaning to the sim card or phone, you have to actually go into a menu and select the new place to save. so even if she had saved this number to the phone, instead of the sim, she had to intentional do it. also, out of all numbers to tranfer, wouldn't you want to make sure you had contact with the person watching your kid every day? this is total BS.

as for phone records, with a subpoena you can order the company to turn over the records. i guarantee this has been done or will be. she is lying. blatantly. i think this is almost worse than some of the other instances.

can someone tell me, in a very brief manner, what exactly has come out or been released today? if not, i totally understand. i just cant go back and read everything right now...


What has been released so far is

An incident report about the Anthony's shed being broken into on the 24th, and it was reported on the 26th. Two gas cans, full of gas, were stolen.

I've already lost the link...will try to dig it up.

1 useless 1:30ish phone call with Lee
The longer phone call with Lee

and the motion to suppress filed by Baez...I'm gonna have to go link huntin':)


eta: the phone call and PDF of the motion to suppress can be found here...can't find the incident report, 'cause I'm a dummy.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17014164/detail.html

Anyone?

[PoppyMcTwist]

maybe its the opposite... maybe she wants to try and keep people looking around close to home.. when she's not anywhere near there?

True. I didn't think of that. Oh well...so much for trying to understand the mind of a sociopath.:confused:

[bluedevil21]

there are lots of cases in florida on record opposing gag orders such as the one baez moved for today....

i hope the press takes this up, if the judge happens to side with the anthonys:

Litigants have had mixed results in fighting recent gag orders against trial participants, winning an important decision in a Florida federal district court while having less success in federal panels in the Fifth Circuit and a state court in Florida.

Federal judge overrules state court gag order in tobacco case

Saying that a broad gag order against trial participants and their attorneys violated the media's First Amendment newsgathering rights, a Miami federal judge enjoined enforcement of a state court judge's order that had prevented participants in a class action lawsuit against tobacco companies from speaking to the public about the case.

Federal District Judge Adalberto Jordan issued a 20-page opinion on April 5 that immediately enjoined continued enforcement of the gag order instituted by Miami state trial Judge Robert Kaye in October 1998. Jordan found that the gag order violated the U.S. Constitution because the record did not show that the gag order was "necessary for a fair trial" and because Kaye's order "is overbroad in scope and of infinite duration."

"It is for Judge Kaye to determine whether a more narrowly drawn gag order is necessary under the circumstances . . . to ensure that the trial is concluded fairly," Jordan wrote at the conclusion of his opinion.

The case was brought in federal court by a coalition of media entities that included Dow Jones & Co., The New York Times, Media General Operations, The Miami Herald, Gannett Satellite Information Network and the Sun-Sentinel.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/11th/0012390man.html

this is the link explaining the actual legality behind it all...

[fategoddess]

There is one 21 year old Juliet Lewis on myspace in Tallahassee. How far from Orlando is Tallahassee?

Tallahassee is about 3 1/2 hours from Orlando. But Casey did say in the call with Lee that Juliet just moved. So it could be possible. Can you post the link to Juliet's myspace?

[liltigress]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7081408&version=1&locale=EN-US

[athy]

Yup, Casey told the 911 operator that the phone is disconnected or no longer in service.

oh but according to Cindy, Casey never spoke to the 911 operator.

[coltsgal]

I don't know if it's been discussed yet, because I'm still trying to get caught up on the threads, but...

Has anyone looked into these credit cards? Where she was going, what she was doing, what she was buying? Video survellience at the stores to see who she was with?

Wouldn't some of that be important??

[Lucy's mom]

I just listened to the phone conversation between POS Casey and her brother Lee.

What REALLY jumped out at me was Casey saying she felt Caylee was still "close to home".


Could Casey have slipped and revealed a tiny clue as to Caylee's whereabouts?

Just a thought.
Yes, why say "close to home?" That is too eary. I would most likely say that I think she's still in the area...but then again, I keep thinking that we are rationalizing and trying to get information out of a normal human being. There is absolutely nothing normal about her. I think "close to home" is a subliminal clue.

[January.]

What amazes me is how she's able to pull so many lies out of her azz without any hesitation. She must have been a compulsive liar her whole life.

[Patty G]

she won't talk, i more or less guarantee it. at least, not in a public official setting (unless that is, there is a deal on the table. which could be the case with lee. get your sister to confess and we wont charge her with first degree murder, etc.)

as for the cell phone, and i dont know the whole story, because i unfortunately havent been able to read everything yet...

there is no way a sim card can just fall out. they are normally secured inside your phone under a metal tab. most phone numbers are saved to the sim itself (thats why it makes it so difficult when you get a new phone or change cell companies to transfer your phone book). they can, arguably, be saved on the phone itself (which is the only way her story can be remotely true), but it is so highly unlikely its ridiculous. it would mean she saved alllll her other numbers on the sim card, except this one. and to change where you save a number, meaning to the sim card or phone, you have to actually go into a menu and select the new place to save. so even if she had saved this number to the phone, instead of the sim, she had to intentional do it. also, out of all numbers to tranfer, wouldn't you want to make sure you had contact with the person watching your kid every day? this is total BS.

as for phone records, with a subpoena you can order the company to turn over the records. i guarantee this has been done or will be. she is lying. blatantly. i think this is almost worse than some of the other instances.

can someone tell me, in a very brief manner, what exactly has come out or been released today? if not, i totally understand. i just cant go back and read everything right now...


The newest for the day is the attorney is filing a gag order to stop the release of all phone conversations from jail, etc. and then on this website http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547 a burglary incident happened at the Anthony household regarding 2 gas cans full of gas that happened between June 23 and 24th. This now shows up under everything regarding Casey Anthony!

[BethInAK]

A modern day Sybil?

Now there is an interesting theory - Casey IS Zenaida.

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't believe you guys overlooked these: G blanchard park

Area Codes:
954- Ft. Lauderdale (Amy)
407
321

[olive]

Tallahassee is about 3 1/2 hours from Orlando. But Casey did say in the call with Lee that Juliet just moved. So it could be possible. Can you post the link to Juliet's myspace?

It is a private myspace...so you can't get any info. from it.

[Patty G]

I don't know if it's been discussed yet, because I'm still trying to get caught up on the threads, but...

Has anyone looked into these credit cards? Where she was going, what she was doing, what she was buying? Video survellience at the stores to see who she was with?

Wouldn't some of that be important??

It's all important and more than likely it is under investigation with LE. Chances of the media hearing about this is unlikely.

[SeriouslySearching]

Now there is an interesting theory - Casey IS Zenaida.CC and I brought that up a long time ago. Disassociate Identiy Disorder/Multi-personality Disorder.

[Cakegirl]

I have a lot of catching up to do... but just wanted to say that I would think that LE would already have her phone records by now.

Surely just the fact that Casey talked about Z calling her cell phone on July 15th and she'd talked to Caylee before that too AND Z was the last person with Caylee (yeah, right), that would be enough reason for them to be able to pull the phone records. Cindy probably is able to pull all the numbers/texts up on her computer but I don't see her giving LE the info... that might make Casey look guilty (feel the sarcasm??).

Boy, oh boy... I can't wait to see Nancy Grace tonight! :woohoo:

[shotzie]

This phone call I listened to was on the 26th, Has todays been released?

[kathyn2]

PHONES: After listening to this long call with Lee about phones......what if Casey bought a throw away cell phone to make calls with during this period of time? She mentions something about a blackberry or a similar phone that didn't work. Lee is asking her where she got the phone from. She is VERY unstraight with him too not giving him enough info to really find out any info. Now the phone is lost! Maybe the cops have no phone to check her records. I bet she threw away the phone.

[keeponsearching]

Did she lose the blackjack after she already bought a new phone, then transfer the sims and carried the old phone in her pocket and lost it? I was just confused from it all. Now I have issues with my sim card to and only some transfer if i put it in right. I know at the store they can do it for you.. But wouldnt your babysitters number be an impportant one? Why would call from so many different areas....

[SuziQ]

Sooooo, if Caylee is close to home, then why is Casey telling everyone to look all over the eastern U.S. for her?

http://www.local6.com/news/17018486/detail.html

(snip)
The mother of a missing Orlando girl said her gut feeling is that her daughter is OK and still close to home, she said during a newly released jailhouse call.

[kathyn2]

Poor Lee. I think he realizes that all this stuff is bogus. I think he knows none of these people exist. He doesn't want to let on to Casey and Pizz her off tho.

[Patty G]

I can't believe you guys overlooked these: G blanchard park

Area Codes:
954- Ft. Lauderdale (Amy)
407
321


Casey did reference Amy is in the 954 area code. 321 is more the coastal area of Orlando and 407 is the inland area of Orland. Basically ALL Orlando (Kissimie, St, Cloud, etc., etc. area.

[babycat]

Blue, is it possible that LE could release that videotaped visit before the gag order goes on, and not be in any toruble?

[olive]

I can't find ANYTHING on "G Blanchard Park"! Anyone have suggestions for alternative spellings??

[Cubby]

I lost my post when the last thread was closed ARGH!

I'm beginning to think that Casey will never give up any information...let alone the truth.

Remember how long LE tapped Amber Frey's phone, hoping that she could get SP to confess...it never happened and I don't think it will happen here either. In fact, Casey seems to be adjusting well to prison life, doesn't seem too freaked out, like the rest of us would be.


My Bold, I agree. It's obvious the likelihood of Casey being honest is about as likely as a blizzard in Orlando in July. (Or the Chicago Cubs winning 3 world series in a single season! :crazy: ) Casey is NOT going to be honest. Right now ALL the attention is on Casey which is EXACTLY where she wants it. It detracts from alternative avenues of searching for Caylee.

Which leads me to ask:

Why NO witnesses or video from the area the car was abandoned?

Why NO friends step up and say they had spent time with Casey and Casey/Caylee from July 16 to the time she was arrested?

Why NO friends step up to say Casey and Caylee were living with them from July 16 to the time she was arrested? Where were they living? The vacant apartment? Life like a vagabond?

Why NO friends step up and say, I have babysat for Caylee in the past ( obviously, not ZG because she doesn't exist ) ? or I have accompanied Casey to drop off or pick up Caylee at <name> to baby sit?

Why NO friends to offer anything to the timeline? Only to try to get info out of Casey?

Why NO searches based on cell phone or stolen credit card records? Surely they would have them by now. A search does need to happen regardless of whether or not Caylee is alive.... Is the world going to sit and pin this on Casey confessing and leading investigators to her location?

What ELSE is LE, friends, family doing to FIND CAYLEE! (aside from passing out t-shirts and incorrect fliers)

There is more than one way to get from point A to point B.

Casey must be LOVING the attention surrounding HER and NOT her daughter. It's buying her time. ARGH!

[christine2448]

anyone care to give a quick summary of where we are?? :D

[ketel0ne]

Now there is an interesting theory - Casey IS Zenaida.

I agree this is very possible.

[SeriouslySearching]

I was trying to figure out how far Blanchard park was from Amscot. Interestingly enough...I can't find an Amscot on E. Colonial Drive and N. Goldenrod. The closest I found for Amscot to that address is on 939 N Semoran Blvd, Orlando, FL

That is 4.9 miles distance. This is where they need to conduct a search.

[babycat]

I'm so not even going to fix that last typo.

Weird that ZG called from multiple area codes, all over Florida. Was kinda expecting one from, say, New York, or Georgia, or North Carolina. Heh.

[olive]

Blanchard Park:

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/dept/cesrvcs/parks/ParkDetails.asp?ParkID=8

[bluedevil21]

i CANNOT believe the shed incident hasn't been mentioned by the anthonys up until now. i really can't. beyond shady.

absolutely undermines not only their credibility, but their self-professed lack of knowledge...

thank you guys for giving me the update - i really appreciate it!

[kathyn2]

There is NO Juliette, is there? We all think she is bogus. There is no myspace for her. I think its all a crock of bull and casey gives him no info and says she moved because she doesn't exist. She is lying to her family and just wants to string them all along as long as she can. I can't believe they are so dumb as to believe this bull.


Tallahassee is about 3 1/2 hours from Orlando. But Casey did say in the call with Lee that Juliet just moved. So it could be possible. Can you post the link to Juliet's myspace?

[Patty G]

Did she lose the blackjack after she already bought a new phone, then transfer the sims and carried the old phone in her pocket and lost it? I was just confused from it all. Now I have issues with my sim card to and only some transfer if i put it in right. I know at the store they can do it for you.. But wouldnt your babysitters number be an impportant one? Why would call from so many different areas....

Sometimes when you transfer a SIM card from a Motorola phone to say a AT &T phone, you could lose information.

My son has a Motorola phone and I had a different phone, can't remember the maker of my old phone. Well he put his SIM card in my phone and lost all his numbers. :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't find ANYTHING on "G Blanchard Park"! Anyone have suggestions for alternative spellings??
Blanchard Park‎
2451 N Dean Rd, Orlando, FL


Why is there a Dam road right there?!?! Where is there a Dam?

[nursebeeme]

blackjack is not an inexpensive cell phone: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176058&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-AT+T+Authorized+Cellphones-_-SAMSUNG-_-75176058

rr, as per the campgrounds...we were thinking of places that you could go in Orlando to burn something without raising the red flag. One campground I found in Orlando that has tent sites with fire rings in turky lake park (posted link in last thread)

[lilywhite]

oh but according to Cindy, Casey never spoke to the 911 operator.

Cindy said that?

[Patty G]

i CANNOT believe the shed incident hasn't been mentioned by the anthonys up until now. i really can't. beyond shady.

absolutely undermines not only their credibility, but their self-professed lack of knowledge...

thank you guys for giving me the update - i really appreciate it!

Maybe Cindy put the stolen gas in her "general" statement that she stole things from us.

[jep0216]

On the second call, Lee keeps trying to convince Casey that she can talk to LE without her attorney if she wants to...that he doesn't have to even be there...wonder if Lee is starting to realize the attorney is useless! Also says if she gives letters to the attorney to give to the family, to be careful because the attorney can read that.

The attorney is going to bring her videos so she can get caught up on what is going on and because he thinks she "needs a good laugh"

"Here is an FYI so you can conduct yourself accordingly...Everything is public record, including this phone call....I had no knowledge of that whatsoever. There are obviosuly things I would have asked in a different way"

"Remember when you talk to those guys...the truth don't hurt"

This girl has an answer for EVERYTHING

[Blink34]

Bringing from last thread, as I always answer NBM posts:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuziQ http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2425651#post2425651)
Wow, gag order, gas can theft, Blinks prophetic sign, the GP's shutting up, Lee running like a scared girl.

IMO, the family is not wanting whatever is on those tapes released. And as far as the gas goes....only one thing comes to mind.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...S/100_3485.jpg (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm78/Blink34_photos/WS/100_3485.jpg) and there is the blink picture again... dude..... it is really, really creepy! Blink...is it creeping you out? in light of the gas can theft that was posted here by chatty AFTER you had posted your picture? it is way creepy, man....
ps, I am also a karmic member of the flipped the noodle club LOL:blowkiss:

And for my dear RR- I know EXACTLY how you feel, while I was listening to that skeevotz laugh about how she was portrayed in the media I would have busted her in the chops, and I am NO SCRAPPER..
Take the time you need, I am going to breath as well, but you are needed here sister..

[bluedevil21]

PHONES: After listening to this long call with Lee about phones......what if Casey bought a throw away cell phone to make calls with during this period of time? She mentions something about a blackberry or a similar phone that didn't work. Lee is asking her where she got the phone from. She is VERY unstraight with him too not giving him enough info to really find out any info. Now the phone is lost! Maybe the cops have no phone to check her records. I bet she threw away the phone.

they still have the ability to get the records even if she threw it out. as long as it wasnt a prepaid phone (and there is actually a very long tedious way to get those too, if within 2 months of purchase or something like that), she had to give information to buy the phone, the bills had to be going somewhere, or she had to be paying them from somewhere. so, if she didnt use cash for everything, there would be an ability to pinpoint the company, and thus, the records.

[Patty G]

Cindy said that?


YUP, on July 24th to a reporter who speaking to Cindy. Cindy said Casey never spoke to the 911 operator. The reporter reminded Cindy what Casey said and Cindy's response was: "Casey didn't call 911, I did!?

[lilywhite]

blackjack is not an inexpensive cell phone: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176058&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-AT+T+Authorized+Cellphones-_-SAMSUNG-_-75176058

rr, as per the campgrounds...we were thinking of places that you could go in Orlando to burn something without raising the red flag. One campground I found in Orlando that has tent sites with fire rings in turky lake park (posted link in last thread)

So there's no way this could have been done at the grandparents'? I just keep coming back to those cadaver dogs that hit in the back yard. Is there a barbecue pit?

[nursebeeme]

she said the PHONE fell out, I think, not the sim card- the phone fell out of her pocket.
you have to admit....a phone could fall out of your pocket while you are pulling your pants down to moon someone taking your picture! (per her lovely photobucket photo):eek:

[SuziQ]

I don't know if it's been discussed yet, because I'm still trying to get caught up on the threads, but...

Has anyone looked into these credit cards? Where she was going, what she was doing, what she was buying? Video survellience at the stores to see who she was with?

Wouldn't some of that be important??

LE does this as a standard practice. The problems with the store videos is they are not kept long. A couple of weeks maybe.

[Blink34]

i CANNOT believe the shed incident hasn't been mentioned by the anthonys up until now. i really can't. beyond shady.

absolutely undermines not only their credibility, but their self-professed lack of knowledge...

thank you guys for giving me the update - i really appreciate it!


SHADYWAYHINKY say in unison...

[athy]

Cindy said that?


when she was on Geraldo. they argued over it. she kept saying she made the 911 call not casey. he said yes but she talked to the operator...cindy said no she didn't.

[jep0216]

Her brother is really grilling her at the end! I'm sure he is being fed some lines!

[bluedevil21]

blackjack is not an inexpensive cell phone: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176058&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-AT+T+Authorized+Cellphones-_-SAMSUNG-_-75176058

rr, as per the campgrounds...we were thinking of places that you could go in Orlando to burn something without raising the red flag. One campground I found in Orlando that has tent sites with fire rings in turky lake park (posted link in last thread)

oh there is no way this phone was paid for as a pre-purchased, disposable plan. i was thinking those cheap $20 phones, $20/200 minutes kind of deals at like walmart. also, if she used the email function, posted anything on the internet from here, etc, the phone/records will be further traceable.

[jep0216]

For those who were questioning it...I definitely think it is Casey who sighs at the end of the phone call, not Lee.

[galvino]

And another thing-

If she didn't have Z's phone # programmed in her phone, what did she do for the past 2 years- just sit back and hope that her nanny calls her on any given day (from one of the 3 different area codes she just provided) so she could babysit?

I call bullsh*t on that!

"Golly Gee, I really need a babysitter for caylee so I can (insert reason here)
A) Go see my boyfriend de jour
B) go to my non existant job
C) go to my existing job selling xanex in the park
D) go clubbing so I cn support my peeps

I sure hope Zanny calls me today from Broward county, or Central Fla, or jax or wherever she is and I can drop off Caylee snd waste a bunch of gas getting her to wherever Zanny is!

GMAB!!!!

[babycat]

There is NO Juliette, is there? We all think she is bogus. There is no myspace for her. I think its all a crock of bull and casey gives him no info and says she moved because she doesn't exist. She is lying to her family and just wants to string them all along as long as she can. I can't believe they are so dumb as to believe this bull.

Right...so she could pick anyone, ANYONE to tell about her daughter being kidnapped- and she tells two people she barely knows? Seems if I were going to tell someone my daughter was kidnapped, we'd probably be close. I'd probably have their number in my phone, etc. And if Juliette moved a few months ago (unless I misheard) then HOW did Casey tell her about Caylee being kidnapped? Also, wouldn't those people have gone to the police FOR casey/caylee?

So she tells Jeff Hopkins- who, coincidentally, tells LE he hasn't spoken to her in about a month, and knew nothing of Caylee being kidnapped by a ZG. Also, didn't he supposedly refer ZG to her? (With his mysterious ghost child...since he said he doesn't have children)

Did she just say, "Hey, Jeff, you know that nanny you referred, that I've used for years? Well, she kidnapped Caylee." Riiiight.

And wouldn't she want HIS help in trying to track her down, she who she knew, etc?


And..lets not forget that there is NO Juliet Lewis in the employee records for Universal. Nor is there a ZG.

So either we have a bunch of liars applying at Universal with fake ids, a bunch of magical, mysterious people who appear at Casey's whim, that only she can see, or...she's a big fat liar.

[liltigress]

Sometimes when you transfer a SIM card from a Motorola phone to say a AT &T phone, you could lose information.

My son has a Motorola phone and I had a different phone, can't remember the maker of my old phone. Well he put his SIM card in my phone and lost all his numbers. :eek:

This could happen, yes, but not likely that the only number she lost, and remembers to a T how she lost it, is Zenaida's.

[lilywhite]

YUP, on July 24th to a reporter who speaking to Cindy. Cindy said Casey never spoke to the 911 operator. The reporter reminded Cindy what Casey said and Cindy's response was: "Casey didn't call 911, I did!?

That's just insanity. This woman needs to stop talking to the media altogether. Leave it to Lee -- he's great on TV and he's hot as hell.

[Patty G]

Her brother is really grilling her at the end! I'm sure he is being fed some lines!


He was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too quick on his feet with the questions. Sure makes me think that the police were sitting right there!

[Elley Mae]

When lee talked to Casey about being at universal, not for work not for somthing, they both seemed to be shady about why she was there but he seemed to know he seems to know more then we think he does.

[Patty G]

This could happen, yes, but not likely that the only number she lost, and remembers to a T how she lost it, is Zenaida's.

I agree about Z's number as the only one she seems to have no idea of! :boohoo:

[ShinaLite]

There is NO Juliette, is there? We all think she is bogus. There is no myspace for her. I think its all a crock of bull and casey gives him no info and says she moved because she doesn't exist. She is lying to her family and just wants to string them all along as long as she can. I can't believe they are so dumb as to believe this bull.


Yep, again in this call she says Juliette worked for Universal but LE has stated in the arrest record that Universal searched thier employee database and a Juliette Lewis never worked there...

[ElizaAvalon]

Wait. Blanchard Park is where she said she lost her phone?

A woman was found dead there on June 11th:
http://www.dreamindemon.com/tag/blanchard-park/

[Patty G]

When lee talked to Casey about being at universal, not for work not for somthing, they both seemed to be shady about why she was there but he seemed to know he seems to know more then we think he does.

I thought the same thing. The odd part is It's costly to go to Universal. You just can't drive in and walk around. You have to pay for parking, pay to get into Universal and so on. Her Universal pass is invalid!

[SeriouslySearching]

I think they need a search at Blanchard Park immediately. If there is an Amscot (which doesn't show up on the google map being at Goldenrod as the Detective said), then it would be less than 4 miles away. I think I found the Dam now, too.

After I posted this, I read about the woman found dead there. Has there been any further word on that case?

Sounds like it is a pretty rough place to be hanging out for Casey if that story is correct: A serial rapist was targeting white women who jogged there about a year ago.

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/06/11/nicole-ganguzza-is-missing/#more-1072

[DianeB]

As others have posted, having the actual sim card doesn’t matter – if Zanny exists and has been her babysitter, there will be phone call records that LE can access from the cellular provider. No phone calls in a year? No babysitter. (Although I’ve never heard of a sim card falling out of a phone – in mine, you have to take the battery off just to get at the sim.)

So is this the timeline now? :

Sun Jun 22nd 6pm – Tues Jun 24th 10am: Shed at family home broken into, 2 gas cans stolen by unknown thief.

Tues Jun 24th: Caylee’s voice heard in background during phone call between Casey/Jesse (believe he said he heard her respond to Casey)

Fri Jun 27th: Pontiac parked at Amscot by Casey

Fri Jun 27th: Anthony picks up Casey from Amscot parking lot

Fri Jun 27th: Casey attends “All White” party at Fusian

Date needed:
Casey drives to house, borrows shovel from neighbor

Off to listen to those phone calls… I wonder if Cindy paid for that new phone courtesy of her credit card.

[Casey as Zenaida = Keyser Soze Theory]

[MomOfECS]

I was trying to figure out how far Blanchard park was from Amscot. Interestingly enough...I can't find an Amscot on E. Colonial Drive and N. Goldenrod. The closest I found for Amscot to that address is on 939 N Semoran Blvd, Orlando, FL

That is 4.9 miles distance. This is where they need to conduct a search.


According to mapquest , it would be this one

7501 E Colonial Dr
Orlando, FL 32807-6368

[Hailiejade77]

I just listened to the phone conversation between POS Casey and her brother Lee.

What REALLY jumped out at me was Casey saying she felt Caylee was still "close to home".


Could Casey have slipped and revealed a tiny clue as to Caylee's whereabouts?

Just a thought.



I think she was giving clues to where she is. That landfill 5 miles from the house. :cry:

You know,.. I was almost starting to believe her up until she said she had her blackjack phone at Universal and then she must have lost it. If she lost it, then she wouldn't have the sim card in the new phone. And if she already had the sim card in the new phone, why carry around the old one??????

But while I was listening to the call, I thought,.. what if she IS telling the truth? I would feel so bad for saying what I have been saying about her. But then the facts come to mind and there is no possible way that she is telling the truth.

Did she say Jeff and Juliet knew she was looking for Caylee?????
Also,.. I only heard one phone call,.. was there two????

[nursebeeme]

And another thing-

If she didn't have Z's phone # programmed in her phone, what did she do for the past 2 years- just sit back and hope that her nanny calls her on any given day (from one of the 3 different area codes she just provided) so she could babysit?

I call bullsh*t on that!

"Golly Gee, I really need a babysitter for caylee so I can (insert reason here)
A) Go see my boyfriend de jour
B) go to my non existant job
C) go to my existing job selling xanex in the park
D) go clubbing so I cn support my peeps

I sure hope Zanny calls me today from Broward county, or Central Fla, or jax or wherever she is and I can drop off Caylee snd waste a bunch of gas getting her to wherever Zanny is!

GMAB!!!!
howdy galvino!

[babycat]

I agree about Z's number as the only one she seems to have no idea of! :boohoo:

Don't forget Juliet's number :rolleyes: I bet it's not in there. I mean, she's know her for years. And they were so close that she told her about Caylee being kidnapped. Of course it should be in her phone...

[olive]

Wait. Blanchard Park is where she said she lost her phone?

A woman was found dead there on June 11th:
http://www.dreamindemon.com/tag/blanchard-park/


:eek:. Nice sleuthing Eliza. Welcome!

[Mohabi]

:blushing::blushing::blushing:

That's just insanity. This woman needs to stop talking to the media altogether. Leave it to Lee -- he's great on TV and he's hot as hell.

I agree !

:blushing::blushing::blushing:

[Patty G]

At&T might just be able to pull up all of the text messages sent back and forth. Hummmm!

[liltigress]

When lee talked to Casey about being at universal, not for work not for somthing, they both seemed to be shady about why she was there but he seemed to know he seems to know more then we think he does.

Yes, I caught that also. So, I ask, what could someone do all day walking around this huge park, to make money without being on the payroll. Something that isn't work, but isn't fun?

That's stooooopit!

[Hailiejade77]

Its only 11. 3 miles from Casey's home to that park. Could she have disposed of Caylee's body there?
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Orlando&1s=FL&1a=4937+Hopespring+Dr&2c=Orlando+&2s=FL&2a=2451+N+Dean+RD

[ebrich]

Maybe she had been stealing gas for a while b/c she wasnt working and needed gas to drive around.
Maybe she broke into the shed for something else?

[bluedevil21]

On the second call, Lee keeps trying to convince Casey that she can talk to LE without her attorney if she wants to...that he doesn't have to even be there...wonder if Lee is starting to realize the attorney is useless! Also says if she gives letters to the attorney to give to the family, to be careful because the attorney can read that.

The attorney is going to bring her videos so she can get caught up on what is going on and because he thinks she "needs a good laugh"

"Here is an FYI so you can conduct yourself accordingly...Everything is public record, including this phone call....I had no knowledge of that whatsoever. There are obviosuly things I would have asked in a different way"

"Remember when you talk to those guys...the truth don't hurt"

This girl has an answer for EVERYTHING

baez is bringing her videos so she can get her story straight - for once. so they can figure out a time line and stick to it. because she is killing herself here. with what i gather that lee said, granted i havent listened yet, i wonder if he has been swayed by LE to help figure out the truth:

"trying to convince Casey that she can talk to LE without her attorney if she wants to...that he doesn't have to even be there"

this is true, of course. but it would be terrible for her case. as much as he totally seems like a slimy defense lawyer, baez is keeping her silent and under wraps on purpose at this point. the minute casey opens her mouth, everything she has ever previously said will be questioned and in doubt. there is no way to reconcile every single individual lie she has told, so no matter how she tries to justify it now, she is a liar.

and they will just uncover more fabrications, random nonsensical BS, which will only increase the probable cause, and diminish reasonable doubt. if the attorney's objective was to actually find the truth, she should talk to LE (or um, if she had any sort of conscience or heart). but if he is now just trying to keep her out of jail, which seems likely considering the mounting evidence weighing against her, she would be stupid to talk to LE. the minute she starts to talk, she waives her fifth amendment right to whatever particular issue she is talking about...

i am obviously all in favor of her just confessing, finding caylee, and bringing this to closure. but the attorney would suck worse than he already has if he arranged such a meeting at this point...

it's interesting to me that lee is pushing her. i'm happy someone is.

[galvino]

howdy galvino!


Hi Bee! I swear this stuff is making me :tipsy: !!! I need a drinkypoo!

[MomOfECS]

I think they need a search at Blanchard Park immediately. If there is an Amscot (which doesn't show up on the google map being at Goldenrod as the Detective said), then it would be less than 4 miles away. I think I found the Dam now, too.

After I posted this, I read about the woman found dead there. Has there been any further word on that case?

Sounds like it is a pretty rough place to be hanging out for Casey if that story is correct: A serial rapist was targeting white women who jogged there about a year ago.



http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/06/11/nicole-ganguzza-is-missing/#more-1072



Blanchard is the actual park but there is a bike path that runs across Dean road then Econ trail then Harrell road and then it crosses Goldenrod. It is a very long path and it does run by woods. It is a lot of area to cover. They found that woman near Econ Trail.

[SeriouslySearching]

He was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too quick on his feet with the questions. Sure makes me think that the police were sitting right there!I agree. While they probably only gave him a list and weren't sitting right there...the questions he asked were very specific and did sound like they came from LE.

[jep0216]

They should get her phone records and call every single person until they identify all the numbers!

[Patty G]

Maybe she had been stealing gas for a while b/c she wasnt working and needed gas to drive around.
Maybe she broke into the shed for something else?

If Casey broke into the shed to steal the gas, why didn't she break into the shed to get the shovel instead of borrowing a shovel from the neighbor. :waitasec:

[ketel0ne]

Yes, I caught that also. So, I ask, what could someone do all day walking around this huge park, to make money without being on the payroll. Something that isn't work, but isn't fun?

That's stooooopit!

Steal from tourists.

[Patty G]

I agree. While they probably only gave him a list and weren't sitting right there...the questions he asked were very specific and did sound like they came from LE.
yupper!

[STEADFAST]

When lee talked to Casey about being at universal, not for work not for somthing, they both seemed to be shady about why she was there but he seemed to know he seems to know more then we think he does.

I think they were implying that it was part of her super-secret investigation to find Caylee.

[liltigress]

Wait. Blanchard Park is where she said she lost her phone?

A woman was found dead there on June 11th:
http://www.dreamindemon.com/tag/blanchard-park/

Isn't that an eerie thought. DNA needs to hurry up.

[jep0216]

Maybe she had been stealing gas for a while b/c she wasnt working and needed gas to drive around.
Maybe she broke into the shed for something else?

If she did in fact rack up $45,000 in credit card debt, I doubt that she would bother stealing a few gallons of gas from her parents.

[ElizaAvalon]

I agree. While they probably only gave him a list and weren't sitting right there...the questions he asked were very specific and did sound like they came from LE.

I felt that way about the last phone call, too - the one where Lee and Kristina both speak to Casey. It sounded to me like LE was on the other end of the line, feeding them things to ask.

[Patty G]

If Casey, Caylee, Zanny etc., went to Universal, they take your finger-print when you walk through the turn-stiles.

[Elley Mae]

And lee had to reassure her that they were behind you.

[BCMom]

She is really just incredible. Her brother is so onto her. He asked pretty good questions.

[coltsgal]

I just heard the long call for the first time just now. She is such a horrible liar. When she cant quickly think of the answer to something, she'll pause, and do her "hmmmmm, um, I dont know, I cant think of it right now"

How the heck do you not know where you bought a phone?

There were more things that struck me as completely unusual, but I cant think of them at the moment.

Also, why isn't she asking anything about Caylee? She hasn't even asked simple things like "what areas have they searched yet, who is handing out flyers, is there any information about Caylee that you have that they havn't told me..."

I would be frantic, but she's just worried about covering her lies.

She's gonna crack soon, i really dont think she's going to be able to handle this much longer.

[babycat]

The problem with this case is that her lies are SO blantant, SO obvious and nothing is fact...

you start to think, surely NO ONE could make this up? No one could lie and not even have a semi-reasonable explanation? No one just MAKES PEOPLE UP.

It's like...the lies are so bad, that you immediately think they MUST be true...no one could be stupid enough to incriminate themselves that way.


I think I'm wearing out my "eye rolling" smiley face on this case.

[ShouldBWorking]

Casey's brother visits jail, phone call released

Last Edited: Monday, 28 Jul 2008, 6:39 PM EDT
Created: Monday, 28 Jul 2008, 7:32 AM EDT


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla.( WOFL FOX 35) -- The search continues for 2-year-old Caylee Anthony who was reported missing by her grandmother almost two weeks ago. Her mother, Casey Anthony remains in the Orange County Jail on child neglect charges and lying to authorities charges.

On Monday, Casey's brother Lee visited her at 9 a.m. at the jail. Also on Monday, Orange County jail officials released the audio recording of a phone call made by Casey Anthony to her brother on Saturday July 26, 2008


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AUDIO: Phone call between Casey Anthony and her brother Lee Anthony on Saturday July 26, 2008
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Records released by the Orange County jail Monday show Casey’s attorney, Jose Baez, visited his client seven times from July 17 – July 26, 2008. The records also show that on Thursday July 17, 2008 Gabriel Adam visited Casey. The records list him as an attorney and he visited at the same time as Baez.

The record also shows visits by John V. Allen and Michael T. Kispert at 7:31 p.m. on Friday July 25, 2008. The reason for visit on the log lists law enforcement agency. Earlier that same day Edward Phlegar visited Casey. The log reason for visit shows interview.

who is Edward Phlegar?

[olive]

AMW on body found at Blanchard Park:
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=56440

Killer may have scratches and marks on their body

[athy]

Blanchard is the actual park but there is a bike path that runs across Dean road then Econ trail then Harrell road and then it crosses Goldenrod. It is a very long path and it does run by woods. It is a lot of area to cover. They found that woman near Econ Trail.

you might be on to something about that park. wasn't the car found at that check cashing place on the corner of goldenrod and colonial?

[Patty G]

If she did in fact rack up $45,000 in credit card debt, I doubt that she would bother stealing a few gallons of gas from her parents.

It all could be part of a cover-up. Let's break-in and steal gas, this will help with the disappearance of Caylee.

[bluedevil21]

Its only 11. 3 miles from Casey's home to that park. Could she have disposed of Caylee's body there?
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Orlando&1s=FL&1a=4937+Hopespring+Dr&2c=Orlando+&2s=FL&2a=2451+N+Dean+RD

this is horrible, and i apologize in advance: but there is a much more efficient way to dispose of a body, if you really wanted all evidence to be destroyed. and it would explain the urgent need to break into her parents' shed - she burned the remains.

i don't know if she is smart enough for this, i don't know where they would have actually carried this out (because i dont think casey would do it alone), i dont know if it would smell worse than it already did....but 3am, on the beach, no one is around. caylee wasn't that large.

this doesnt preclude the landfill; she still may have gone there with whatever was left.

okay im done with this gruesome possibility. just a thought and i hope to god its not true

[olive]

Edward Phlegar:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=295238791

[babycat]

Yes, I caught that also. So, I ask, what could someone do all day walking around this huge park, to make money without being on the payroll. Something that isn't work, but isn't fun?

That's stooooopit!

I thought Lee just didn't press the issue because he didn't want her to "shut down" and stop providing information...like if he had said, "But Casey...you DIDN'T WORK THERE FOR YEARS. Obviously it wasn't for work" and I think the "why would you be at universal" wasn't pushed was because he knew she wasn't there at all, and if he questioned her about it, he wouldn't get the information he needed before the 15 mins were up...


The info about Jeff and Juliet :rolleyes:

[MomOfECS]

you might be on to something about that park. wasn't the car found at that check cashing place on the corner of goldenrod and colonial?

Yes, The Amscot is kind of in front of Sams and the Bike trail runs behind Sams. Up to east Colonial.

[liltigress]

If she did in fact rack up $45,000 in credit card debt, I doubt that she would bother stealing a few gallons of gas from her parents.

Actually, I am gonna assume it's possible that she stole the gas and credit cards on the same day. Maybe went there with the intentions of stealing gas, then went in the house and found the cc's.

Think about this part... Cindy said she knows Casey's whereabouts for the last 2 weeks, I'm sure because of cc transactions. So possibly she only had that cc for 2 weeks, just prior to being hauled home and to jail.

[mommya]

Lee knows - He's pretty good at getting some info out of her too.

When she said she was at Universal to meet with "mutual" friends - I thought mutual to who?

[nursebeeme]

Christine asked for a daily update... I am not that good so please anyone correct me if I missed something. Links can be found by reading back into the threads from today

As of today Casey has been sitting in the hooscow going on two weeks (12 days to be exact). She is now considered a person of interest in her missing daughter's case.

Orange County SD, on their page on this case (thanks Chatty) reported that on or around June 24 George Anthony reported Gas cans and 50 dollars of gas stolen from his shed!

Some posters speculated whether the borrowed shovel could have been used on the lock of the shed. Could Casey have stolen the gas? And why? Where could you burn something without raising a red flag? One poster speculated perhaps the backyard bbq and a few threw campgrounds out. There are two parks in the Orlando area that would fit the bill, and of course we already know that the cadaver dogs hit in the backyard.

Two more "casey calls" were just released. One between Casey and her brother. One between casey and her mother (not sure if audio is up yet on that one...help me out...anyone)..

Posters discussed (thank you SS) being very careful in posting info from friends' myspace pages as they, more than likely, are victims as well.

One poster (and please forgive me...I forget who posted this) actually called LE to verify the changing tip numbers and LE stated to our very own poster that gma was putting out different numbers to call on the fliers to divert tips TO HER CELL PHONE OR PERSONAL NUMBERS which obviously is very frustrating to LE. I actually posted that info to nancy grace and plugged the websleuth poster in hopes that she can get that info out to John Q Public.

Defense attorney Jose Baez has filed a gag order for the bighouse phone calls. One poster aptly predicted what Stan the man will hopefuly say, "no way Jose".

ETA: Chatty has reported on the pizza experiment. It has been a week and the super, super supreme...locked in a trunk in extreme heat has shriveled up like jerky...and produced...you got it.....NO STENCH

ETA: BLINK had a very prophetic moment today in lieu of the gas cans....this landscaping truck was in her neighbor's driveway http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm78/Blink34_photos/WS/100_3485.jpg

ETA: several posters pointed out that Casey had two cells phones, one which was a black jack that she lost somewhere around blanchard park (one of the parks mentioned above re: burning) or universal. Blanchard park is also near Amscott where the car was abandoned on 27 June and towed on 30 June

ETA: Jose Baez was retained by Casey upon learning of him in the first few hours of being arrested. No info on how she actually retained him!

[babycat]

Also, why isn't she asking anything about Caylee? She hasn't even asked simple things like "what areas have they searched yet, who is handing out flyers, is there any information about Caylee that you have that they havn't told me..."

I would be frantic, but she's just worried about covering her lies.

She's gonna crack soon, i really dont think she's going to be able to handle this much longer.

Great point. I think I know why she didn't ask.

[kathyn2]

I know an online 'friend' that totally makes up huges stories. Not only stories but she makes up lots of people, she pretends to be several people with different yahoo email addresses. All her friends have died over the years (I have known her online for like 8 years), they all have bad accidents. She pretends to know celebrities. I also know a woman that claims to be Brian Denehy and his wife both. There are lots of crackpots in this world. I could go on and on. And both of these people are the nicest people to talk to. I have talked to them both on the phone. You would never guess they were whacked out. lol This casey isn't half as good a liar as these people I know. I am shocked she has been able to bamboozle her family for so long.

[lilywhite]

If Casey broke into the shed to steal the gas, why didn't she break into the shed to get the shovel instead of borrowing a shovel from the neighbor. :waitasec:

My understanding of the theory is that she used the neighbor's shovel to break into the shed.

Unless I've misunderstood your question?

[liltigress]

I thought Lee just didn't press the issue because he didn't want her to "shut down" and stop providing information...like if he had said, "But Casey...you DIDN'T WORK THERE FOR YEARS. Obviously it wasn't for work" and I think the "why would you be at universal" wasn't pushed was because he knew she wasn't there at all, and if he questioned her about it, he wouldn't get the information he needed before the 15 mins were up...


The info about Jeff and Juliet :rolleyes:

A psychologist? was on FOX news this morning and was being asked how he would confront Casey. He said he wouldn't challenge her to put her on defense. (these are my words, my interpretation of what he said, I'm not quoting). He said he would talk about her, because psychopath's are all about me, me, me. But he wouldn't confront her head on.

I wondered if Lee has been explained this. Sure seems like he was tiptoeing.

[saqqara]

Any one else find it odd that Juliette Lewis is also the name of an actress?

Perhaps a name that sticks in your head and could be recalled, but not an obvious one like: Angelina Jolie

[JustJax]

There is NO Juliette, is there?

Meet Juliette Lewis, pictured here in a scene from (interestingly enough) Natural Born Killers.

http://morte.martin-gunz.com/filmbilder/thriller/natural_born_killers5.jpg

[athy]

Christine asked for a daily update... I am not that good so please anyone correct me if I missed something. Links can be found by reading back into the threads from today

As of today Casey has been sitting in the hooscow going on two weeks (12 days to be exact). She is now considered a person of interest in her missing daughter's case.

Orange County SD, on their page on this case (thanks Chatty) reported that on or around June 24 George Anthony reported Gas cans and 50 dollars of gas stolen from his shed!

Some posters speculated whether the borrowed shovel could have been used on the lock of the shed. Could Casey have stolen the gas? And why? Where could you burn something without raising a red flag? One poster speculated perhaps the backyard bbq and a few threw campgrounds out. There are two parks in the Orlando area that would fit the bill, and of course we already know that the cadaver dogs hit in the backyard.

Two more "casey calls" were just released. One between Casey and her brother. One between casey and her mother (not sure if audio is up yet on that one...help me out...anyone)..

Posters discussed (thank you SS) being very careful in posting info from friends' myspace pages as they, more than likely, are victims as well.

One poster (and please forgive me...I forget who posted this) actually called LE to verify the changing tip numbers and LE stated to our very own poster that gma was putting out different numbers to call on the fliers to divert tips TO HER CELL PHONE OR PERSONAL NUMBERS which obviously is very frustrating to LE. I actually posted that info to nancy grace and plugged the websleuth poster in hopes that she can get that info out to John Q Public.

Defense attorney Jose Baez has filed a gag order for the bighouse phone calls. One poster aptly predicted what Stan the man will hopefuly say, "no way Jose".

ETA: Chatty has reported on the pizza experiment. It has been a week and the super, super supreme...locked in a trunk in extreme heat has shriveled up like jerky...and produced...you got it.....NO STENCH


suggest to add that Casey mentioned she was at Blanchard Park and that's right near where the car was discovered.

[coltsgal]

Great point. I think I know why she didn't ask.


sadly I think I know too. I was just thinking if she was "so innocent" she would be more concerned with Caylee. The only time Caylee was brought up was when Lee did.

[DianeB]

Yes, The Amscot is kind of in front of Sams and the Bike trail runs behind Sams. Up to east Colonial.I posted this link to the picture last week - snagged it off google:

http://i37.tinypic.com/24bqi42.jpg

It's a pretty small parking lot.

[MomOfECS]

I posted this link to the picture last week - snagged it off google:

http://i37.tinypic.com/24bqi42.jpg

It's a pretty small parking lot.


That is not the same one.. The actual parking lot in the one on the corner of Goldenrod and East Colonial is even smaller than that!

[SeriouslySearching]

More on Jay Blanchard Park:

Detectives have searched transient camps in the area and are looking for any links with previous crimes in the area.

The Little Econ Greenway runs through the park.

heavily wooded areas along the trail

Orange County Commissioner Mildred Fernandez, who represents that district, said she plans on speaking to sheriff's deputies Friday about safety issues at the park.

"I want to see what kind of safety plan the sheriff's office can implement as soon as possible," Fernandez said. "It is an area that needs more police supervision."

Fernandez also said the park's many entrances and exits can pose a safety risk. "We are looking to reduce some of those entrances," Fernandez said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-ucf-jogger-slain-061208,0,7295335.story?page=1

Also at this park they have grills. Not sure about other places to burn things tho. However, the water looks very swift (almost rapid) near the Dam.

[cindysnow3]

Not sure how many have viewed the recent video, as to who is paying for Casey's Lawyer, and how he was retained... Here is the link I find it interesting.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17017938/index.html

[kathyn2]

Nancy's coming on. I hope she has something interesting on her show and some good guests.

[babycat]

sadly I think I know too. I was just thinking if she was "so innocent" she would be more concerned with Caylee. The only time Caylee was brought up was when Lee did.

So sad:( I mean...if they had this incredible bond, this mother daughter bond Casey spoke of...then why isn't she torn apart that her baby is missing? Why didn't she bring it up, even once?

This case is the weirdest I've seen in a long, long time.

I'm off for a bit, to take a shower and some more benadryl:) I'll be SO GLAD when this poison ivy is gone! But then it's back to the real world for me...sigh. (Well, I guess that depends on your definition of the real world. I work at home, mostly:) )

Byeeeee

[kathyn2]

Yeah, I wonder who the heck is paying for this lawyer? Is she using the money she got for Caylee??? or where did she get money to hire a lawyer? Or is he one of these ambulance chasers that just wants the case for publicity sake?

[athy]

that park would also be close to their home

[ShouldBWorking]

Nancy must be on vacation tonight...dang it

[Hailiejade77]

Nancy Grace is on,... but Nancy isn't the one hosting tonight,.. I think its Jane

[SeriouslySearching]

You did great, Nurse. Thanks. :)

Casey mentioned she lost her black jack phone possibly in the area of Jay Blanchard Park or Universal.

Christine...can you set up a search for Jay Blanchard Park now? LOL

[Patty G]

My understanding of the theory is that she used the neighbor's shovel to break into the shed.

Unless I've misunderstood your question?

You misunderstood my statement. Why break into the shed to steal gas, but didn't break into the shed to get a shovel!

[Ladybass0711]

Nancy must be on vacation tonight...dang it


There still covering it though! FBI has said that they are just waiting on Casey's call! Casey needs to make that call.

[ShouldBWorking]

Diane Diamond hosting

[liltigress]

Am I the only one that morbidly hopes this woman found dead in this park is the one that might have been in the trunk of Casey's car?

[Beyond Belief]

http://family.go.com/travel/things-to-do/florida/orlando/poi-330146-blanchard--park/

[athy]

You misunderstood my statement. Why break into the shed to steal gas, but didn't break into the shed to get a shovel!

because she needed the neighbor's shovel to break the lock on the shed.

[Patty G]

WOW, in that video http://www.wftv.com/video/17017938/index.html at the end when the reporter asked about how Casey would pay for the attorney .....Cindy had such a smirk on her face.

[missy1970]

When lee talked to Casey about being at universal, not for work not for somthing, they both seemed to be shady about why she was there but he seemed to know he seems to know more then we think he does.


That is something that I was interested in, as well. Neither one of them seemed to want to say exactly WHY she was at Universal that day. It seemed like they both knew, but didnt want to say because it was being recorded.

[olive]

Casey asked inmates for advice on a good attorney?!!!

Sounds like she knew plenty about her rights.

Again, she doesn't trust her family. In her own words "they just care about finding Caylee".

Poor Cindy.

[Patty G]

because she needed the neighbor's shovel to break the lock on the shed.


anything is possible ....

[liltigress]

And no one carries 2 phones around all the time and switch out the SIMs card. There is a reason she doesn't want that particular black jack found.

[olive]

Am I the only one that morbidly hopes this woman found dead in this park is the one that might have been in the trunk of Casey's car?

Nope! Me too. That person is already deceased. I hope Caylee isn't! Plus, if Casey killed that person, Casey would rot in jail, which is where she belongs!:furious:

ETA: I wanted to clarify that, in no way, am I saying I'd rather have one human life killed than another. Just saying that a person has already been found, and I'm hoping another one won't!

[Elphaba]

Am I the only one that morbidly hopes this woman found dead in this park is the one that might have been in the trunk of Casey's car?

It would be a glimmer of hope that Caylee is still alive... but goodness, it would really throw this case into new waters. :(

[liltigress]

Nope! Me too. That person is already deceased. I hope Caylee isn't! Plus, if Casey killed that person, Casey would rot in jail, which is where she belongs!:furious:

I just can't think of a legitimate reason as to why Caylee would be missing with this scenario, or where she is and why Casey keeps saying Zenaida has her but doesn't know where she is.

[BethInAK]

Any one else find it odd that Juliette Lewis is also the name of an actress?

Perhaps a name that sticks in your head and could be recalled, but not an obvious one like: Angelina Jolie

That was the first thing I thought when I heard it.

[BCMom]

I have heard twice that there were only about 60 people who showed up at the vigil last night, yet there are a few papers publishing that there were hundreds???? What the heck?

[Openmyeyes]

Not enjoying this Nancy Grace show. Doesn't sound like they've listened to the most recent phone calls.

OME

[bluedevil21]

[QUOTE=Ladybass0711;2426128]There still covering it though! FBI has said that they are just waiting on Casey's call! Casey needs to make that call.[/QUOTE

casey does not really want to make that call. i think it is more fluff and drama, adding to our perception of how guilty she is. their whole theme as been blame local LE - continued today with the gag order motion. they want to create the appearance of how casey, oh our poor casey, she wants to help, she would love to talk to the fbi, but local police are just being impossible...

someone should call her bluff.

[harleysnana]

When lee talked to Casey about being at universal, not for work not for somthing, they both seemed to be shady about why she was there but he seemed to know he seems to know more then we think he does.

I know you didn't ask for my personal opinion on this but....
I would bet money that she was a drug runner and this Zanny is
the one she would run the drugs for.
Wanna bet that when they say "baby sitter" they mean "drug dealer"?

[harleysnana]

And no one carries 2 phones around all the time and switch out the SIMs card. There is a reason she doesn't want that particular black jack found.

Sorry... had to add to this...
A drug dealer carries two phones!
One for business and one for personal!

[Knoxx]

O'Reilly on Fox News, will be talking about the Video in a few minutes or so!

[Ladybass0711]

Not enjoying this Nancy Grace show. Doesn't sound like they've listened to the most recent phone calls.

OME

They say they will be playing NEW calls later on in the show

[liltigress]

Sorry... had to add to this...
A drug dealer carries two phones!
One for business and one for personal!

That is very interesting. I didn't know this. Thank you. :)

[cricket]

Not enjoying this Nancy Grace show. Doesn't sound like they've listened to the most recent phone calls.

OME


at least they haven't cut off people in the middle of a sentence (yet) LOL

[lilywhite]

You misunderstood my statement. Why break into the shed to steal gas, but didn't break into the shed to get a shovel!

Well, I suppose if she used the neighbor's shovel to break into the shed, once the shed was broken into and the parents' shovel was accessible, she didn't need to steal it anymore because she'd already used the neighbor's shovel to break in. LOL. I just confused myself.

[DianeB]

That is not the same one.. The actual parking lot in the one on the corner of Goldenrod and East Colonial is even smaller than that!Thanks for the info. This is another one at Goldenrod and Colonial, but it looks like the lot is bigger because there is parking on two sides.

Is this not it either?
http://i34.tinypic.com/2w4fsk1.jpg

[harleysnana]

That is very interesting. I didn't know this. Thank you. :)

My x son in law is a drug dealer!

[Ladybass0711]

Floridas sunshine laws requires that BY LAW the calls had to be released! LE and attorny not happy about it

[Stander Verwoerd]

OK, I'm watching Nancy Grace right now. Someone brought up the reward for Caylee's recovery. So I got to thinking. Casey is so nonchalant and as I said before a con woman. Let's say she owed a huge drug debt. So she colludes with someone else to hide Caylee and in the meantime everyone thinks the young girl is dead. But in reality alive and at some point someone will miraculously appear with little Caylee and collect the reward. At some point this person who is a friend of Casey's splits the reward with her. Yep, I know it sounds silly but I keep thinking of her con woman approach and nonchalant behavior. She just comes across like she doesn't care or knows she's alive and will pull this caper off. I only point this out simply because as Diane Dimond said on NG tonight nothing seems to make sense about this case. Indulge me for a moment on this. Yes, I still believe she's dead but I also think something is amiss here and when it's all said and done we'll look back and say, aw we should have seen that coming. So then you say but the dead body, well they haven't released anything yet. Far fetched? Yes, but this Casey is a con woman and think about it, most drug users become cons to feed their habits.

[olive]

I hope that if, by a miracle, Caylee is brought home, that she has the opportunity to find out how many heart's she touched and how many people were trying to bring her home and pray for her.

I'm sure she'd trade it all in for one second of concern out of her own mother!

[missy1970]

Sorry... had to add to this...
A drug dealer carries two phones!
One for business and one for personal!


But, I thought I heard Casey say it was the same phone number. What purpose would you have two phones with the same number? Different numbers, I agree. :)

At first she tells her brother that the BlackJack wasnt holding a charge, so she was using her old phone. THEN, when he asks her where it is, she says she "lost" it somewhere.

I say she has been using that phone exclusively since purchasing it, and when the police asked for her cell phone, she gave the OLD one.

[olive]

OK, I'm watching Nancy Grace right now. Someone brought up the reward for Caylee's recovery. So I got to thinking. Casey is so nonchalant and as I said before a con woman. Let's say she owed a huge drug debt. So she colludes with someone else to hide Caylee and in the meantime everyone thinks the young girl is dead. But in reality alive and at some point someone will miraculously appear with little Caylee and collect the reward. At some point this person who is a friend of Casey's splits the reward with her. Yep, I know it sounds silly but I keep thinking of her con woman approach and nonchalant behavior. She just comes across like she doesn't care or knows she's alive and will pull this caper off. I only point this out simply because as Diane Dimond said on NG tonight nothing seems to make sense about this case. Indulge me for a moment on this. Yes, I still believe she's dead but I also think something is amiss here and when it's all said and done we'll look back and say, aw we should have seen that coming. So then you say but the dead body, well they haven't released anything yet. Far fetched? Yes, but this Casey is a con woman and think about it, most drug users become cons to feed their habits.

Interesting, fresh approach!

[liltigress]

My x son in law is a drug dealer!

Bless your heart. Good thing there is an "x" there now, huh.. You have shed a new light on my thoughts here now.

Lee and Casey seemed to be on the same page with why she was at this park, not working and not fun. That's crazy-ish.

[harleysnana]

OK, I'm watching Nancy Grace right now. Someone brought up the reward for Caylee's recovery. So I got to thinking. Casey is so nonchalant and as I said before a con woman. Let's say she owed a huge drug debt. So she colludes with someone else to hide Caylee and in the meantime everyone thinks the young girl is dead. But in reality alive and at some point someone will miraculously appear with little Caylee and collect the reward. At some point this person who is a friend of Casey's splits the reward with her. Yep, I know it sounds silly but I keep thinking of her con woman approach and nonchalant behavior. She just comes across like she doesn't care or knows she's alive and will pull this caper off. I only point this out simply because as Diane Dimond said on NG tonight nothing seems to make sense about this case. Indulge me for a moment on this. Yes, I still believe she's dead but I also think something is amiss here and when it's all said and done we'll look back and say, aw we should have seen that coming. So then you say but the dead body, well they haven't released anything yet. Far fetched? Yes, but this Casey is a con woman and think about it, most drug users become cons to feed their habits.

In a way your post is similar to what I think happened.
Other than to add... instead of her hiding Caylee to collect the reward money
she gave Caylee to her drug dealer as collateral for the drug debt.

[nursebeeme]

bumping the daily update...add to it or subtract...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Christine asked for a daily update... I am not that good so please anyone correct me if I missed something. Links can be found by reading back into the threads from today

As of today Casey has been sitting in the hooscow going on two weeks (12 days to be exact). She is now considered a person of interest in her missing daughter's case.

Orange County SD, on their page on this case (thanks Chatty) reported that on or around June 24 George Anthony reported Gas cans and 50 dollars of gas stolen from his shed!

Some posters speculated whether the borrowed shovel could have been used on the lock of the shed. Could Casey have stolen the gas? And why? Where could you burn something without raising a red flag? One poster speculated perhaps the backyard bbq and a few threw campgrounds out. There are two parks in the Orlando area that would fit the bill, and of course we already know that the cadaver dogs hit in the backyard. (eta turkey lake park and blanchard park which is 11.3 miles from poi's home)

Two more "casey calls" were just released. One between Casey and her brother. One between casey and her mother (not sure if audio is up yet on that one...help me out...anyone)..

Posters discussed (thank you SS) being very careful in posting info from friends' myspace pages as they, more than likely, are victims as well.

One poster (and please forgive me...I forget who posted this) actually called LE to verify the changing tip numbers and LE stated to our very own poster that gma was putting out different numbers to call on the fliers to divert tips TO HER CELL PHONE OR PERSONAL NUMBERS which obviously is very frustrating to LE. I actually posted that info to nancy grace and plugged the websleuth poster in hopes that she can get that info out to John Q Public.

Defense attorney Jose Baez has filed a gag order for the bighouse phone calls. One poster aptly predicted what Stan the man will hopefuly say, "no way Jose".

ETA: Chatty has reported on the pizza experiment. It has been a week and the super, super supreme...locked in a trunk in extreme heat has shriveled up like jerky...and produced...you got it.....NO STENCH

ETA: BLINK had a very prophetic moment today in lieu of the gas cans....this landscaping truck was in her neighbor's driveway http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm78/Blink34_photos/WS/100_3485.jpg (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm78/Blink34_photos/WS/100_3485.jpg)

ETA: several posters pointed out that Casey had two cells phones, one which was a black jack that she lost somewhere around blanchard park (one of the parks mentioned above re: burning) or universal. Blanchard park is also near Amscott where the car was abandoned on 27 June and towed on 30 June

ETA: Jose Baez was retained by Casey upon learning of him in the first few hours of being arrested. No info on how she actually retained him!

[athy]

In a way your post is similar to what I think happened.
Other than to add... instead of her hiding Caylee to collect the reward money
she gave Caylee to her drug dealer as collateral for the drug debt.

i can't see a drug dealer wanting the responsibility of a kid while they were waiting for an award. especially since she didn't even report it until her mom pushed it. how was she to get that kind of money...before caylee was reported missing they didn't even know there would have been an award. no one knew she was missing until mom kept pushing.

[Hailiejade77]

Its only 11. 3 miles from Casey's home to that park. Could she have disposed of Caylee's body there?
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Orlando&1s=FL&1a=4937+Hopespring+Dr&2c=Orlando+&2s=FL&2a=2451+N+Dean+RD

bumping this in case you missed it,... THAT PARK IS 11.3 MILES FROM CASEY'S HOME!

[liltigress]

But, I thought I heard Casey say it was the same phone number. What purpose would you have two phones with the same number? Different numbers, I agree. :)

At first she tells her brother that the BlackJack wasnt holding a charge, so she was using her old phone. THEN, when he asks her where it is, she says she "lost" it somewhere.

I say she has been using that phone exclusively since purchasing it, and when the police asked for her cell phone, she gave the OLD one.

That is correct. Nice catch, I'm trying to get this to all make sense. She is hiding the cell phone for a reason.

[babycat]

OK, I'm watching Nancy Grace right now. Someone brought up the reward for Caylee's recovery. So I got to thinking. Casey is so nonchalant and as I said before a con woman. Let's say she owed a huge drug debt. So she colludes with someone else to hide Caylee and in the meantime everyone thinks the young girl is dead. But in reality alive and at some point someone will miraculously appear with little Caylee and collect the reward. At some point this person who is a friend of Casey's splits the reward with her. Yep, I know it sounds silly but I keep thinking of her con woman approach and nonchalant behavior. She just comes across like she doesn't care or knows she's alive and will pull this caper off. I only point this out simply because as Diane Dimond said on NG tonight nothing seems to make sense about this case. Indulge me for a moment on this. Yes, I still believe she's dead but I also think something is amiss here and when it's all said and done we'll look back and say, aw we should have seen that coming. So then you say but the dead body, well they haven't released anything yet. Far fetched? Yes, but this Casey is a con woman and think about it, most drug users become cons to feed their habits.


I seriously doubt that that, because after they "split the reward" it probably wouldn't even cover Casey's legal fees. And if they didn't split a reward, Casey would be in huge debt. I don't think this is the case. It also doesn't explain the cadaver hits, and abandonded car, and decomp smell.


I also doubt that "zanny" is a drug dealer and Casey a runner. Why would Casey give out her real name? If she's so scared of the drug dealer and her bad connections, what sense does it make to provoke the person that has you child by "outing" them? Also, why would Casey lie about people (Jeff, Juliet) cooberating her story about this Zanny kidnapping her child?

Makes no sense to me...

I think the bottom line is that Casey is a liar, and did something terrible to her child. It's already been proven by her own statements and suggested by her friends that she's a habitual liar. I think that's just it.

[athy]

bumping this in case you missed it,... THAT PARK IS 11.3 MILES FROM CASEY'S HOME!


that's what i said also. its close to home like casey said.

[RR0004]

Ok...now this is erroneous and IMO irresponsible reporting...the guy on NG said the birth father died in a car accident about a year ago...don't these guys ever do their own reporting or do they get there stuff from message boards like ours?

[MomOfECS]

Thanks for the info. This is another one at Goldenrod and Colonial, but it looks like the lot is bigger because there is parking on two sides.

Is this not it either?
http://i34.tinypic.com/2w4fsk1.jpg


I don't think that is it either, There are other businesses in the building and it is a small building. I believe there is a Papa Johns Pizza there next to Amscot in the same building. Amscot and the pizza place face East Colonial. If I have time tomorrow, I will try to go and take a picture of it.. I have a two year old son who keeps me very busy, but I will try.

[txsvicki]

Thanks so much for the update Nursebeeme. It's so hard to try and read back through an enormous amount of posts trying to find the actual update and not having to butt in and ask questions.

[olive]

I'm taking a break from this and adding a bit of vodka to my coke. haha.

For what it is worth, I really think the park/crime connection needs researched and cross-examined with all the dates in this case and that the visitors on her visitor log need explored in more depth. Leave no stone unturned.

Goodnight.

[Salem]

OK, I'm watching Nancy Grace right now. Someone brought up the reward for Caylee's recovery. So I got to thinking. Casey is so nonchalant and as I said before a con woman. Let's say she owed a huge drug debt. So she colludes with someone else to hide Caylee and in the meantime everyone thinks the young girl is dead. But in reality alive and at some point someone will miraculously appear with little Caylee and collect the reward. At some point this person who is a friend of Casey's splits the reward with her. Yep, I know it sounds silly but I keep thinking of her con woman approach and nonchalant behavior. She just comes across like she doesn't care or knows she's alive and will pull this caper off. I only point this out simply because as Diane Dimond said on NG tonight nothing seems to make sense about this case. Indulge me for a moment on this. Yes, I still believe she's dead but I also think something is amiss here and when it's all said and done we'll look back and say, aw we should have seen that coming. So then you say but the dead body, well they haven't released anything yet. Far fetched? Yes, but this Casey is a con woman and think about it, most drug users become cons to feed their habits.

This was proposed in the Maddie McCann case also. Alas, no one stepped forward to claim the money or bring Maddie back. While it is a great idea, I don't think we are going to see little Caylee again:mad:

Salem

[nursebeeme]

bumping this in case you missed it,... THAT PARK IS 11.3 MILES FROM CASEY'S HOME!
I put it in the daily update

[Stander Verwoerd]

In a way your post is similar to what I think happened.
Other than to add... instead of her hiding Caylee to collect the reward money
she gave Caylee to her drug dealer as collateral for the drug debt.

If she owed a debt I don't think she'd give Caylee as collateral. I really think if and only if she is alive she's doing it this way because of the reward money. She also realizes if she loses custody she knows her Mother will get it and thus she has Caylee back. No Casey wants to live the good life, the life of no work and laziness peppered with drug use. How else will she accumulate the money but pull off some type of caper. Remember, those who know Casey say she's not stupid. She's a con woman. Something reeks here and yes I believe the Grandmother with all her debt is in on it as well. How much debt are the Grandparents in? How else will they pay off this debt? It could be, indulge me again, could be the con to end all cons. They pay off the recovery person and that person splits the reward money with the Anthony's after it reaches $500,000. Whose to say the reward won't keep growing. My point is this is the best case scenario only if the girl is still alive. If she is deceased then of course my theory goes out the window. Again, don't get mad at me for the theory. It's only one if in fact she's alive.

[ketel0ne]

Nothing about a reward scam or kidnapping make any sense based on the other party not knowing that Casey would wait 31 days or forever to report her missing. If the car had not been towed, like it really got stolen. When would this Cindy/Casey confrontation and 911 calls have been made. Casey was well on her way to Aug 9th. That was her next hurdle date wise.

[cricket]

AAAGGGHHH!

Someone calls in with a good question about Caylee's (dead) father's family and the local reporter says no one is saying anything about them. Diane D lets him get away with that! No follow-up question.

What ever happened to investigative reporting? Why aren't these local reporters investigating?

[Busylady]

I can't seem to get caught up so excuse if someone has already mentioned this. I took it that she swapped sim cards because the blackjack would not hold its charge (which by the way is a popular problem with blackjack) and then misplaced the blackjack phone. AT&T would have a record of both phone purchases, if she was lying about the blackjack she would of said she bought it from a friend etc, not from an AT&T store.

I did think it was a hint when he asked if she was at Universal for work or fun and she said something about not work, and he so for fun and she responded not exactly for fun and he said I got ya. So there is something behind that in my opinion.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ok...now this is erroneous and IMO irresponsible reporting...the guy on NG said the birth father died in a car accident about a year ago...don't these guys ever do their own reporting or do they get there stuff from message boards like ours?They don't get it here or they would be correct now and then. LOL

[athy]

maybe we could have a thread that is on updated info found by posters for each day. that way if someone misses a day they can look on that thread and get a jist of whats been covered for the day.

[RR0004]

bumping the daily update...add to it or subtract...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Christine asked for a daily update... I am not that good so please anyone correct me if I missed something. Links can be found by reading back into the threads from today

As of today Casey has been sitting in the hooscow going on two weeks (12 days to be exact). She is now considered a person of interest in her missing daughter's case.

Orange County SD, on their page on this case (thanks Chatty) reported that on or around June 24 George Anthony reported Gas cans and 50 dollars of gas stolen from his shed!

Some posters speculated whether the borrowed shovel could have been used on the lock of the shed. Could Casey have stolen the gas? And why? Where could you burn something without raising a red flag? One poster speculated perhaps the backyard bbq and a few threw campgrounds out. There are two parks in the Orlando area that would fit the bill, and of course we already know that the cadaver dogs hit in the backyard. (eta turkey lake park and blanchard park which is 11.3 miles from poi's home)

Two more "casey calls" were just released. One between Casey and her brother. One between casey and her mother (not sure if audio is up yet on that one...help me out...anyone)..

Posters discussed (thank you SS) being very careful in posting info from friends' myspace pages as they, more than likely, are victims as well.

One poster (and please forgive me...I forget who posted this) actually called LE to verify the changing tip numbers and LE stated to our very own poster that gma was putting out different numbers to call on the fliers to divert tips TO HER CELL PHONE OR PERSONAL NUMBERS which obviously is very frustrating to LE. I actually posted that info to nancy grace and plugged the websleuth poster in hopes that she can get that info out to John Q Public.

Defense attorney Jose Baez has filed a gag order for the bighouse phone calls. One poster aptly predicted what Stan the man will hopefuly say, "no way Jose".

ETA: Chatty has reported on the pizza experiment. It has been a week and the super, super supreme...locked in a trunk in extreme heat has shriveled up like jerky...and produced...you got it.....NO STENCH

ETA: BLINK had a very prophetic moment today in lieu of the gas cans....this landscaping truck was in her neighbor's driveway http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm78/Blink34_photos/WS/100_3485.jpg (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm78/Blink34_photos/WS/100_3485.jpg)

ETA: several posters pointed out that Casey had two cells phones, one which was a black jack that she lost somewhere around blanchard park (one of the parks mentioned above re: burning) or universal. Blanchard park is also near Amscott where the car was abandoned on 27 June and towed on 30 June

ETA: Jose Baez was retained by Casey upon learning of him in the first few hours of being arrested. No info on how she actually retained him!
Excellent job, NB!!

[liltigress]

I can't seem to get caught up so excuse if someone has already mentioned this. I took it that she swapped sim cards because the blackjack would not hold its charge (which by the way is a popular problem with blackjack) and then misplaced the blackjack phone. AT&T would have a record of both phone purchases, if she was lying about the blackjack she would of said she bought it from a friend etc, not from an AT&T store.

I did think it was a hint when he asked if she was at Universal for work or fun and she said something about not work, and he so for fun and she responded not exactly for fun and he said I got ya. So there is something behind that in my opinion.

She did say she swapped the sim card to the new phone from the blackjack. But things got twisted up and Lee asked her about the lost black jack and how she could lose that phone with the sim card in it and not lose the card too. She had a quick answer about the phone falling out of her pocket. That told me it was just another big lie. Sim cards don't fall out like that.

[Stander Verwoerd]

I seriously doubt that that, because after they "split the reward" it probably wouldn't even cover Casey's legal fees. And if they didn't split a reward, Casey would be in huge debt. I don't think this is the case. It also doesn't explain the cadaver hits, and abandonded car, and decomp smell.


I also doubt that "zanny" is a drug dealer and Casey a runner. Why would Casey give out her real name? If she's so scared of the drug dealer and her bad connections, what sense does it make to provoke the person that has you child by "outing" them? Also, why would Casey lie about people (Jeff, Juliet) cooberating her story about this Zanny kidnapping her child?

Makes no sense to me...

I think the bottom line is that Casey is a liar, and did something terrible to her child. It's already been proven by her own statements and suggested by her friends that she's a habitual liar. I think that's just it.

When push comes to shove I really think you're right here. But her nonchalant behavior smells to me. Casey's behavior is too matter of fact. She's too relaxed for someone who killed their child. I guess one would have to look at Casey's past to get a feel for who she is. But this month she was gone, why, where was she and what was she planning? This just doesn't seem like someone who kills their child and goes about their business. She was planning something. Perhaps it was murder, who knows.

[BethInAK]

Sorry... had to add to this...
A drug dealer carries two phones!
One for business and one for personal!

A drug dealers employee might also carry two phones.

I know there is no indication that she is a heavy drug user other than the money that shes disappeared (actually potentially a pretty good indication, imo) but a drug dealers employee, perhaps one who needs to pay off some heavy duty drug debt, might carry a cell phone from their "employer" while they were working.

I have to say that I don't believe there is any babysitter. I suppose it is possible that shes overextended her credit with some dealer, who has taken her kid as collateral until she pays it off.

[missy1970]

I can't seem to get caught up so excuse if someone has already mentioned this. I took it that she swapped sim cards because the blackjack would not hold its charge (which by the way is a popular problem with blackjack) and then misplaced the blackjack phone. AT&T would have a record of both phone purchases, if she was lying about the blackjack she would of said she bought it from a friend etc, not from an AT&T store.

I did think it was a hint when he asked if she was at Universal for work or fun and she said something about not work, and he so for fun and she responded not exactly for fun and he said I got ya. So there is something behind that in my opinion.


Thats interesting to know about the Blackjack and holding a charge. I did not know that. I wonder why she wouldnt have taken it back? It was new....I would have.

Maybe she was there at Universal looking for Caylee?

[michelle]

When push comes to shove I really think you're right here. But her nonchalant behavior smells to me. Casey's behavior is too matter of fact. She's too relaxed for someone who killed their child. I guess one would have to look at Casey's past to get a feel for who she is. But this month she was gone, why, where was she and what was she planning? This just doesn't seem like someone who kills their child and goes about their business. She was planning something. Perhaps it was murder, who knows.
Remember Scott Peterson how relaxed he was on the phone with amber and with family. Sociopaths are very cold.

[harleysnana]

I also doubt that "zanny" is a drug dealer and Casey a runner. Why would Casey give out her real name? If she's so scared of the drug dealer and her bad connections, what sense does it make to provoke the person that has you child by "outing" them? Also, why would Casey lie about people (Jeff, Juliet) cooberating her story about this Zanny kidnapping her child?

Makes no sense to me...



IMO the name Casey has given out for the "nanny" is the name she was told.
Drug dealers DO NO use their real name.
And neither do people associated with them (buyers)!

I'm sorry but IMO it makes sense to me!

[Ladybass0711]

Ok...now this is erroneous and IMO irresponsible reporting...the guy on NG said the birth father died in a car accident about a year ago...don't these guys ever do their own reporting or do they get there stuff from message boards like ours?

As far as I know thats what all the media is saying, and thats what casey is leading them to beleive, what else should they be saying??

[babycat]

I did think it was a hint when he asked if she was at Universal for work or fun and she said something about not work, and he so for fun and she responded not exactly for fun and he said I got ya. So there is something behind that in my opinion.

I just took that to mean she wasn't working, but she wasn't there to ride rides. Remember, she went to "investigate". Yeaaah, right...I bet she wasn't even there.

Also, I don't think the Casey's visitors will lead to much- IF someone is involved, and they know that every conversation is taped/released tot he public, with all of the scrutiny this case is receiving, I don't see anyone with half a brain risking being investigated if, in fact, they are "in" on anything...they would know that they're going to be looked at, automatically just by visiting.

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't seem to get caught up so excuse if someone has already mentioned this. I took it that she swapped sim cards because the blackjack would not hold its charge (which by the way is a popular problem with blackjack) and then misplaced the blackjack phone. AT&T would have a record of both phone purchases, if she was lying about the blackjack she would of said she bought it from a friend etc, not from an AT&T store.

I did think it was a hint when he asked if she was at Universal for work or fun and she said something about not work, and he so for fun and she responded not exactly for fun and he said I got ya. So there is something behind that in my opinion.She was supposed to be looking for Caylee and the babysitter at that time...I believe is what they are trying to infer. If she did go back to Universal for that reason...wouldn't she have to pay to get in? Bet there is a record on the CC bill for that visit, if so. (1 day pass is $69.00)

She did say that it wouldn't charge and she was using the other phone. So it would explain why the SIM card wasn't in the blackjack. Good point.

[liltigress]

I just took that to mean she wasn't working, but she wasn't there to ride rides. Remember, she went to "investigate". Yeaaah, right...I bet she wasn't even there.

Also, I don't think the Casey's visitors will lead to much- IF someone is involved, and they know that every conversation is taped/released tot he public, with all of the scrutiny this case is receiving, I don't see anyone with half a brain risking being investigated if, in fact, they are "in" on anything...they would know that they're going to be looked at, automatically just by visiting.

She said she was looking for Zanny the Nanny in bars.

[nursebeeme]

She did say she swapped the sim card to the new phone from the blackjack. But things got twisted up and Lee asked her about the lost black jack and how she could lose that phone with the sim card in it and not lose the card too. She had a quick answer about the phone falling out of her pocket. That told me it was just another big lie. Sim cards don't fall out like that. I agree lil! Also...if your phone is not holding a charge and you swap your simm card into a new phone why would you be carrying the dead one around in your pocket?!!!!!!! MY GOD THE LIES NEVER END! WHAT COMPLETE AND UTTER SH#T! :beersign:

[liltigress]

I agree lil! Also...if your phone is not holding a charge and you swap your simm card into a new phone why would you be carrying the dead one around in your pocket?!!!!!!! MY GOD THE LIES NEVER END! WHAT COMPLETE AND UTTER SH#T! :beersign:

Yep! She was too quick to answer away why the SIM card wasn't in the black jack, because it fell out of her pocket. Bull snot!

[MsScarlet]

Hi All! This is my first post on here and I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it because I am still about 10 pages behind but... I just listened to the calls. I don't know how many of you have AT&T cell phones, but I work for AT&T and have for over a decade, so I have always used them. Never once has my phone said the word 'private anything'. When a number is private and it calls an AT&T cell phone, it says 'Withheld'.

[nursebeeme]

That is correct. Nice catch, I'm trying to get this to all make sense. She is hiding the cell phone for a reason. or someone is holding it for her!!!!! (no flames please...but would gma do that? I don't see her knowing what happened to Caylee but I can see her hiding the cell phone for Casey...or Casey stashing it somewhere in the house between the first and second encounter with police pre arrest)

[liltigress]

Hi All! This is my first post on here and I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it because I am still about 10 pages behind but... I just listened to the calls. I don't know how many of you have AT&T cell phones, but I work for AT&T and have for over a decade, so I have always used them. Never once has my phone said the word 'private anything'. When a number is private and it calls an AT&T cell phone, it says 'Withheld'.

Thanks Ms Scarlet. I have an ATT/Cingular phone and that is correct. It says "Withheld" for a fact.

[BethInAK]

IMO the name Casey has given out for the "nanny" is the name she was told.
Drug dealers DO NO use their real name.
And neither do people associated with them (buyers)!


Or, she knows if she gives the real name of the dealer to the police, Casey dies. I think this is more of a stretch than the obvious answer - that Casey killed Caylee, but its a possibility. AFAICS the only other possibility besides Casey being a murderer.

[babycat]

IMO the name Casey has given out for the "nanny" is the name she was told.
Drug dealers DO NO use their real name.
And neither do people associated with them (buyers)!

I'm sorry but IMO it makes sense to me!

Not to pick at your post, but then how does that tie in with her lying that Zanny worked at Universal, lived at that apartment (which was vacant) zanny's mother's apartment (who never lived there) and the supposed link to Jeff Hopkins, who had never heard of her? Also, it seems more than one person would have known this Zenaida Gonzales by that name, if she hung around Fusian, and all of the other clubs, like Casey had reported. Surely every person that met her at that club didn't know her by a different name.

I'm not oblivious to that culture...I know that people use aliases. We've had out share of bad apples in the family, too.

Like I said, not trying to pick at your post, just trying to help piece together your theory, to see if we can get it pretty solid.

[absolut_alexis]

Well, I have two cell phones with the same number (I switch the sim card between them) and I'll explain why, though I doubt Casey's reasons are at all similar.

For work, there are some places I need to go where no one is allowed to have cameras, because I am around copyrighted images and patented designs. So when I go to those buildings, I have to switch my SIM card into my phone that has no camera.

This has also come up with internet access and text messaging, because they want control that we were not secretly texting details, etc. I mean, you can hear when a person is on the phone. (I am in tech writing/editing.) So with that phone, I had my regular cell phone, but I had to get a disposible phone that would use my SIM card that did not have any internet or texting capabilities, and I had to show them my notes before I left.

Like I said, I really doubt Casey is involved in any copyright or patent protection issues, but it is possible that there are reasons to have two phones sharing one number, particularly if you are hanging around people who check your phone.

But, I thought I heard Casey say it was the same phone number. What purpose would you have two phones with the same number? Different numbers, I agree. :)

At first she tells her brother that the BlackJack wasnt holding a charge, so she was using her old phone. THEN, when he asks her where it is, she says she "lost" it somewhere.

I say she has been using that phone exclusively since purchasing it, and when the police asked for her cell phone, she gave the OLD one.

[michelle]

What is this "private call" that casey is talking about when she says she talked to caylee?

[BethInAK]

I just took that to mean she wasn't working, but she wasn't there to ride rides. Remember, she went to "investigate". Yeaaah, right...I bet she wasn't even there.


I took these comments to mean that Casey was at universal to do some sort of drug transaction.

[RR0004]

Can anyone help me with this?

In the phone conversation with Lee, she mentioned writing letters to the family...her family (?)

Also to answer the question who knows you're looking for Caylee...Jeff, Juliet...then Lee says...and "Zanny"...and she adds and "Zanny"...were they trying to imply that Zanny may have passed the child off?

The part about the bonding...mom would understand the most...really, did she have any idea her daughter was in DANGER?

The part about her giving Lee the resources and he found out more than LE and she gave them (LE) the same info...if Lee found out pertinent information wouldn't he be obligated to report it to LE?

[SeriouslySearching]

It means it came up on the caller ID as No Name No Number or Private.

[cricket]

Hi All! This is my first post on here and I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it because I am still about 10 pages behind but... I just listened to the calls. I don't know how many of you have AT&T cell phones, but I work for AT&T and have for over a decade, so I have always used them. Never once has my phone said the word 'private anything'. When a number is private and it calls an AT&T cell phone, it says 'Withheld'.

Welcome to Websleuths!

That's a good point. Do we know what phone company Casey used?

[nursebeeme]

:Welcome-12-june::newbie::balloons: Welcome Ms Scarlett!

[BethInAK]

Thanks Ms Scarlet. I have an ATT/Cingular phone and that is correct. It says "Withheld" for a fact.

In our area our AT&T phones say "Private Caller" - i wonder if it depends what part of the network you are on.

[babycat]

She said she was looking for Zanny the Nanny in bars.

yes, but in the affidavit didn't she also tell LE that she had gone to universal to see if Zanny and Caylee had been there? I'm pretty sure that's in the affidavit...could be wrong.

Also, I think she told LE that Jeff Hopkins and Juliette worked there, and that she had told them about it...I'm assuming that she was saying that implying that they were both working there are the time. I might be wrong, that's not concrete.

[Beyond Belief]

A cellphone bill will reflect every phone number that came in or went out using the same sim card regardless of what phone was used.
At least ours does.

[BethInAK]

Welcome to Websleuths!

That's a good point. Do we know what phone company Casey used?

It appears to be AT&T since Lee was requesting in the last phone call to get her account information for the login to the website to look for phone numbers.

[michelle]

It means it came up on the caller ID as No Name No Number or Private.
Oh how convienant, cant they pull phone records and look that way?

[MsScarlet]

In our area our AT&T phones say "Private Caller" - i wonder if it depends what part of the network you are on.

That could be. I'm in the Northeast so that could def be the case.

[SeriouslySearching]

Can anyone help me with this?

In the phone conversation with Lee, she mentioned writing letters to the family...her family (?)

Also to answer the question who knows you're looking for Caylee...Jeff, Juliet...then Lee says...and "Zanny"...and she adds and "Zanny"...were they trying to imply that Zanny may have passed the child off?

The part about the bonding...mom would understand the most...really, did she have any idea her daughter was in DANGER?

The part about her giving Lee the resources and he found out more than LE and she gave them (LE) the same info...if Lee found out pertinent information wouldn't he be obligated to report it to LE?They key word is pertinent. Yes. However, he can track down all of the supposed 100 leads on his own if he is so inclined to do so...just like a PI could do. It honestly would not surprise me at all if Lee didn't have a 100 leads to track down that LE refused to look into. We already know they did not look for other Zenaida's as we have found many here, too. In state and out.

[RR0004]

As far as I know thats what all the media is saying, and thats what casey is leading them to beleive, what else should they be saying??
Did Cindy say she (Casey) pointed to the obit and said "See he died in a car accident" or did she say "See he died" ? I can't remember. But, I thought the first time I heard about a car accident was when we looked up Jesus (in search of someone who may have died from Casey's circle). I may be mistaken and apologize ahead of time if I'm wrong.

[liltigress]

OH boy. Did they just say on NG that her current cell phone has not been recovered? They said they went over Tony's place with a fine tooth comb where she said she last had it and they never found it.

There's something to contemplate.

[nursebeeme]

It appears to be AT&T since Lee was requesting in the last phone call to get her account information for the login to the website to look for phone numbers. she gave out her info and it is all over the internet and tvs of america....could we check her messages lol...just kidding

[angela s]

maybe we could have a thread that is on updated info found by posters for each day. that way if someone misses a day they can look on that thread and get a jist of whats been covered for the day.

great idea:blowkiss:

[eleven]

It means it came up on the caller ID as No Name No Number or Private.


IF the number came up "private", then how could Casey have called it back? What I mean is, in one of the first 911 calls, Casey said she talked to Caylee that day but that the number was subsequently disconnected on the same day. So....if she is NOW saying the number came up as "private", how could she have possibly known if it was subequently disconnected? You can't press redial on a "private" number!!!

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

[nursebeeme]

OH boy. Did they just say on NG that her current cell phone has not been recovered? They said they went over Tony's place with a fine tooth comb where she said she last had it and they never found it.

There's something to contemplate. I have a hinky feeling that grandma has it:eek: she sure has done an about face about casey since those two 911 calls when she wanted to press charges for grand theft auto and stealing money! I have big problems with gmas about face guys... :confused::confused::eek::confused::confused:

[harleysnana]

Not to pick at your post, but then how does that tie in with her lying that Zanny worked at Universal, lived at that apartment (which was vacant) zanny's mother's apartment (who never lived there) and the supposed link to Jeff Hopkins, who had never heard of her? Also, it seems more than one person would have known this Zenaida Gonzales by that name, if she hung around Fusian, and all of the other clubs, like Casey had reported. Surely every person that met her at that club didn't know her by a different name.

I'm not oblivious to that culture...I know that people use aliases. We've had out share of bad apples in the family, too.

Like I said, not trying to pick at your post, just trying to help piece together your theory, to see if we can get it pretty solid.

The only pieces I could offer would be from my personal experience with
my X son in law.
But this story fits his to a T (other than his daughter isn’t missing!)
….Fabricated names, Vacant apartments, Meetings on the "stair way".
He wouldn't go out and "promote" his business and give his Drug Dealers name... infact he didn't even know his drug dealers name!
He only knew where she lived.

Like I said… JMO.
The only alternative is Caylee is dead and I’m just not ready to think that!

[Ladybass0711]

As far as I know it has always been reported that the guy died from a car accident a year ago.

Can I add

I will be so glad when we are on the new server!!!!

[Melly53]

or someone is holding it for her!!!!! (no flames please...but would gma do that? I don't see her knowing what happened to Caylee but I can see her hiding the cell phone for Casey...or Casey stashing it somewhere in the house between the first and second encounter with police pre arrest)

I wonder if the supposed "lost" phone is the one that LE reportedly picked up from TonE's place. I remember the cell phone mention from the media story that was done on TonE. It struck me as unusual because most people her age are never without their cellphones. I will try to find a link to the story.

[Elley Mae]

She told lee on phone conversation that 2 phones lost IIRC

[Cubby]

<snip>
I suppose it is possible that shes overextended her credit with some dealer, who has taken her kid as collateral until she pays it off.

But for this to be true wouldn't Caseys debt have to exceed the reward money? Why not just come forward as the "Nanny" collect the reward to pay off the debt plus some- and find some reason why she hadn't heard the news? Was watching kids programming as opposed to the news?

[CarrieSis]

New article out, they've ruled out the airport sighting due to the age not matching Caylee's.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/28/deputies_no_new_leads_in_caylee_case.html

[RR0004]

IF the number came up "private", then how could Casey have called it back? What I mean is, in one of the first 911 calls, Casey said she talked to Caylee that day but that the number was subsequently disconnected on the same day. So....if she is NOW saying the number came up as "private", how could she have possibly known if it was subequently disconnected? You can't press redial on a "private" number!!!

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:
Can you please forward this to someone in the media down in Orlando...or LE?

[liltigress]

I have a hinky feeling that grandma has it:eek: she sure has done an about face about casey since those two 911 calls when she wanted to press charges for grand theft auto and stealing money! I have big problems with gmas about face guys... :confused::confused::eek::confused::confused:

Sure looks like her mother will do anything to protect her daughter. Too bad that trait wasn't inherited.

[missy1970]

Well, I have two cell phones with the same number (I switch the sim card between them) and I'll explain why, though I doubt Casey's reasons are at all similar.

For work, there are some places I need to go where no one is allowed to have cameras, because I am around copyrighted images and patented designs. So when I go to those buildings, I have to switch my SIM card into my phone that has no camera.

This has also come up with internet access and text messaging, because they want control that we were not secretly texting details, etc. I mean, you can hear when a person is on the phone. (I am in tech writing/editing.) So with that phone, I had my regular cell phone, but I had to get a disposible phone that would use my SIM card that did not have any internet or texting capabilities, and I had to show them my notes before I left.

Like I said, I really doubt Casey is involved in any copyright or patent protection issues, but it is possible that there are reasons to have two phones sharing one number, particularly if you are hanging around people who check your phone.


Thank you! I hadnt, obviously, thought of that. :blushing:

Of course, I realized that there may be reasons that some folks would do that, however....I highly doubt Casey is one of those. :)

[liltigress]

She told lee on phone conversation that 2 phones lost IIRC

I'll have to listen to that again. I thought she said LE has one and the other was the lost black jack.

[kathyn2]

I wonder if the cops have put together and sort of info on what and where Casey was for the 31 days? Or is it longer? Who did she stay with each nite? Was she living in the car? Caylee was alive part of that time. Where was she all day and nite? I wonder if they have talked to all her friends to see if she was with any of them? I wonder if they asked her where she was the whole month and what her answer was? NO ONE seems to know where this woman spent each day and nite of the month. Who really watched the baby when she went off with that boyfriend on a mini vacation? Was there a mini vacation? LE must have some of these answers.

[RR0004]

As far as I know it has always been reported that the guy died from a car accident a year ago.

Can I add

I will be so glad when we are on the new server!!!!
We're not on the new server? Then what the heck happened on Saturday?

[bluedevil21]

When push comes to shove I really think you're right here. But her nonchalant behavior smells to me. Casey's behavior is too matter of fact. She's too relaxed for someone who killed their child. I guess one would have to look at Casey's past to get a feel for who she is. But this month she was gone, why, where was she and what was she planning? This just doesn't seem like someone who kills their child and goes about their business. She was planning something. Perhaps it was murder, who knows.

i agree with both of you....

i think maybe, at the most, casey had ties to drug dealers (king merk, merk = getting stoned, apparently). but lets be serious, she is not the brightest crayon in the box. if she was dealing, she would have been picked up months ago and then lied with some unbelievable excuse like a fairy planted that cocaine, officer, and then flew away, while explaining why drugs were in her system by saying that the evil fairy injected her with a magic potion. i don't see her having the ability, the means, the street smarts for this. and if you are dealing full-time, she would have no reason to run up her credit cards at all. dealers would much rather pay in cash and leave their fingerprints no where - she, on the other hand, leaves them everywhere. i also don't think a lot of drug dealing college-aged kids in florida moonlight as baby stealers, even if for collateral purposes.

i can't help but think that the nanny does not exist. maybe i'm just being skeptical, but caylee has been missing for over a month and a half already. and casey, but a few days ago, was still "protecting the family" from these evil nanny kidnappers. it was as the evidence has mounted, the holes in her story established, that all of a sudden she has become more forthcoming.

in fact, if you take away all of the craziness that results from her statements on the nanny, casey is actually a bit more believable (dont get me wrong, she is a pathological liar). she doubled down on this nanny excuse, which made no sense to begin with, and as she has added things to clarify (this phone thing, the senior living facility, not knowing the nanny's address, or the phone number, her wild goose chase trying to find the nanny's apartment, no neighbors had seen this nanny or caylee even though she apparently was there every day, all of the numbers being immediately disconnected, looking for the nanny at bars while drinking her face off and inviting everyone in the myspace community to "join her at fusian!!!! tony will be there!!!!", knowing the nanny for 4 years but no one has ever met her, dropping caylee off at the nanny's every day but not knowing anything about her.....)

it makes no sense. i know it gives us hope that caylee could still be alive, and i wish that more than anything; but in reality, it has been over a month a half (almost as long as tony and casey's brief relationship, how sweet) and this poor little girl's mother is still not talking, still making excuses, and still being uncooperative.

all signs point to casey. LE zeroed in on her and they have never really left - i think that is because they have amassed evidence that establishes this conclusively. they have the phone and credit card records already - those are easy to obtain. i assume they already have her computer records, as well. this could obliterate every single lie casey has told them thus far. i think just the phone records, based on whatever number she gave them for the nanny (since she called the nanny that morning and it was apparently disconnected), would directly lead to her culpability. i would love to hear her try to explain it all....

in my opinion, sadly, it isnt so much a question of who took caylee - it is a determination of what casey did to her and when.

[absolut_alexis]

Okay, I think this is possible to do (but I also think Casey is lying).

When someone leaves a message for me, even private, my options include call back this number. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I often get calls from the UK, and the call appears as private, but when I hook my phone up to my computer, I see the number on my phone software (Float - it is available on sourceforge.com). It depends on how the networks translate the numbers.


IF the number came up "private", then how could Casey have called it back? What I mean is, in one of the first 911 calls, Casey said she talked to Caylee that day but that the number was subsequently disconnected on the same day. So....if she is NOW saying the number came up as "private", how could she have possibly known if it was subequently disconnected? You can't press redial on a "private" number!!!

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[SuziQ]

I highly doubt there is a second phone. It's just something Casey threw out there for an excuse as to why she didn't have anyone's phone numbers. She doesn't remember where she bought the phone and conveniently it's lost minus the SIMS card. SIMS cards do not fall out of phones. They are tightly inserted inside a phone. Even if the back came off, the Sim card would stay in. There's so many holes in the phone story it's rediculous.

[CarrieSis]

If you go with the tale that Casey is spinning, the 2 cell phones make sense in the context that Absolut shared. A kidnapper that doesn't want photos taken or a recording of what they are saying, etc.. but wants a cell carried to be able to get ahold of her.