Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #24

[Ladybass0711]

Please continue here !

[close_enough]

i got up to check on some cookies i'm baking, lol.....will catch up on the other thread later.....

[DTFulmer]

Anyone have any idea whether the Anthony's reported any other theft over the past couple of years? My thinking is that if Casey has no job, she has no need of a sitter; but if she has no job, she also has no money. Has she been charging credit cards all along (to the tune of either $4000-$5000 or even $45,000), or was that just recent?

[galvino]

Lady- you have become the bestest new thread starter! Thanks!

[close_enough]

bringing this link that Suzi posted, over here....

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

[thisbliss]

So much for Cindy's plea for the "kidnapper" to not take Caylee deeper into the mountains, Casey's gastrointestinal senses have kicked in and she feels sweet Caylee is near home and OK...pshhhhhhh. Sorry for the snarkiness but this family is ridiculous. Lee telling Casey she could talk to LE without her lawyer does however make me wonder if the family is just trying to appear to be on Casey's side to get info. Well at least it seems that is what Lee was trying to do, because if the family wanted Casey to talk they shouldn't have hired Baez(yes I know she would have been appointed a lawyer).

[pjsmommy]

something that just occurred to me, jose baez says that casey borrowed the shovel BEFORE moving out of the house, according to the family, Casey never moved out right? They need to get together and practice their lies

[SuziQ]

Bringing this post over from the last thread. I hope I haven't confused or discouraged anyone from posting. Post away!

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedevil21 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2426960#post2426960)
sorry for the length of my last post, guys. i'll refrain...

I hope this isn't because of what I posted. Post long posts, just don't quote them. Although I forget or get in a hurry and forget sometimes. lol.

I love your posts!

[liltigress]

Whoever it was that said Lee appeared to be reading from a list earlier, I agree. He had questions he wanted answered and was asking away.

If he is working with LE and only appearing to be on Casey's side, no wonder the family has shut down the media and why they are acting so "hinky" (I like that word).

[SWAG1959]

IMO Casey tonight let go of a bombshell that the LE should pick up on - Blanchard Park. I have seen an aerial shot and this place has a huge wooded area that backs up to some sort of waterway. This place needs to be searched - yet all of you in Orlando say you see no searches going on. Also, someone mentioned a killing there - found that - it was a jogger who was killed and the body was found around June 11 - right before this all started. That murder has not been solved.

[pjsmommy]

Whoever it was that said Lee appeared to be reading from a list earlier, I agree. He had questions he wanted answered and was asking away.

If he is working with LE and only appearing to be on Casey's side, no wonder the family has shut down the media and why they are acting so "hinky" (I like that word).

I didn't like how he was telling her that her visits and phone calls would be public record, like warning her almost. Other than that, he did a good job. The girl is a liar, not much any of us can do about it, her mom is a huge enabler.

[InsomniacWoman]

Wow, I haven't been here since Sunday, I've missed alot, lol!
So here I go, catching up again.... :):)

[DTFulmer]

To someone looking for attention, would you be more likely to talk because you knew the calls were recorded, or less likely?

[DianeB]

something that just occurred to me, jose baez says that casey borrowed the shovel BEFORE moving out of the house, according to the family, Casey never moved out right? They need to get together and practice their liesHe says Casey borrowed the shovel before Caylee went missing.

I'd be interested in knowing what date he thinks that is.

[Ladybass0711]

Lady- you have become the bestest new thread starter! Thanks!


Awwww ty!

[pjsmommy]

He says Casey borrowed the shovel before Caylee went missing.

I'd be interested in knowing what date he thinks that is.
i misheard, i must have read that somewhere also though, cause that has bothered me. I'd like to know the date as well.

[liltigress]

I didn't like how he was telling her that her visits and phone calls would be public record, like warning her almost. Other than that, he did a good job. The girl is a liar, not much any of us can do about it, her mom is a huge enabler.

Oh no doubt he was warning her.

One thing that is bothering me about the twists this case is taking is...

Suddenly, Casey is making it about taking sides: Casey's or Caylee's. That's not right.

[pjsmommy]

Oh no doubt he was warning her.

One thing that is bothering me about the twists this case is taking is...

Suddenly, Casey is making it about taking sides: Casey's or Caylee's. That's not right.
casey is a jealous girl, i saw it with her myspace postings to her brother, she had an almost obsession with him i thought, sorry if that's crossing the line. she's jealous that people are looking for caylee, and the relationship that caylee had with her mom. She's sick in the head, plain and simple
someone needs to sit down and drill some sense into cindy's head, she is alienating the country with her daily tirades. i've honestly never followed a case where there is almost no sympathy for the family.

[whiteangora]

Oh, I know I was supposed to go to bed but...I just checked Casey's visitor log again and there's a new visitor added.
Annie Downing, visiting Aug 4 @ 9pm.

[close_enough]

bringing this link that Suzi posted, over here....

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

bumping this.....interesting read Suzi, for sure....

[DianeB]

I'm just watching Cindy on Greta (tivo).

She said something about taking Casey's stuff from the apartment - was that the stuff Casey said she'd left in a "central location" at Tony's house (uh oh - dating a month and moving in...), or the stuff she presumably had while bunking at Ricardo's place?

[liltigress]

casey is a jealous girl, i saw it with her myspace postings to her brother, she had an almost obsession with him i thought, sorry if that's crossing the line. she's jealous that people are looking for caylee, and the relationship that caylee had with her mom. She's sick in the head, plain and simple
someone needs to sit down and drill some sense into cindy's head, she is alienating the country with her daily tirades. i've honestly never followed a case where there is almost no sympathy for the family.

I sensed that jealousy she has with Lee on her myspace also. I noticed her cussin and fumin about a girl that Lee had been going out with. You're right, it did appear to be an obsession.

But that just goes back to the fact that Casey has to be numero uno, which is why she's showing this same jealousy with Caylee.

"All they care about is finding Caylee"

[Ladybass0711]

Wow, I haven't been here since Sunday, I've missed alot, lol!
So here I go, catching up again.... :):)

Check out the Daily RECAP. Its a sticky at the top.

[Leila]

Whoever it was that said Lee appeared to be reading from a list earlier, I agree. He had questions he wanted answered and was asking away.

If he is working with LE and only appearing to be on Casey's side, no wonder the family has shut down the media and why they are acting so "hinky" (I like that word).


My impression of the phone call between Lee and Casey is that he's working in some capacity, possibly for LE, to get to the truth.

At the beginning of the call he made sure that Casey understood that he didn't know their conversations at the jail and phone calls were being taped and were public record. He was assuring her that he and the family were on her side.

He asked questions and let her take all the time needed to answer. If he needed clarification, he went back to it later instead of interrupting. If he's astute on cell phones/Simms cards, he didn't give any indication to Casey that losing the blackjack cell phone with ZG's phone number meant if wasn't retrievable. He handled the call well.

[RR0004]

Oh no doubt he was warning her.

One thing that is bothering me about the twists this case is taking is...

Suddenly, Casey is making it about taking sides: Casey's or Caylee's. That's not right.
Yes, she is the queen of manipulation IMO.

[*~Aimee~*]

I didn't like how he was telling her that her visits and phone calls would be public record, like warning her almost. Other than that, he did a good job. The girl is a liar, not much any of us can do about it, her mom is a huge enabler.

Unless he is wanting her to know the family is not releasing them to media that they are public record and media can get them? :waitasec: So he looks on her side?

[DianeB]

Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH?

[InsomniacWoman]

Check out the Daily RECAP. Its a sticky at the top.

Thanks, Ladybass, I'll definitely do that! :):)

[drip~drop]

To someone looking for attention, would you be more likely to talk because you knew the calls were recorded, or less likely?

More likely.

What we'll be getting from now on (please don't gag order Judge Strickland!!)
will be more acting and embelishing. More bs.
imo

[RR0004]

The psychological is done and IIRC it will be presented on Wednesday. I'm sooo curious what it'll tell.

[liltigress]

Oh, I know I was supposed to go to bed but...I just checked Casey's visitor log again and there's a new visitor added.
Annie Downing, visiting Aug 4 @ 9pm.

Do you have that link handy for me please? :) I'm bookmarking so I can at least stop losing links. lol...

My impression of the phone call between Lee and Casey is that he's working in some capacity, possibly for LE, to get to the truth.

At the beginning of the call he made sure that Casey understood that he didn't know their conversations at the jail and phone calls were being taped and were public record. He was assuring her that he and the family were on her side.

He asked questions and let her take all the time needed to answer. If he needed clarification, he went back to it later instead of interrupting. If he's astute on cell phones/Simms cards, he didn't give any indication to Casey that losing the blackjack cell phone with ZG's phone number meant if wasn't retrievable. He handled the call well.

I think he handled it well also. He may just be the one that brings that empire down. She depends on him and she trusts him. He can get plenty of information from her. I'm sure he did at the jail meeting this morning, which is what her lawyer dude is trying to hard to block from the media. And of course, by him saying that if he'd known they were being recorded, he would have worded his questions differently.

[LinetteH]

Oh, I know I was supposed to go to bed but...I just checked Casey's visitor log again and there's a new visitor added.
Annie Downing, visiting Aug 4 @ 9pm.

Possibly? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=39760803

[Leila]

I'm just watching Cindy on Greta (tivo).

She said something about taking Casey's stuff from the apartment - was that the stuff Casey said she'd left in a "central location" at Tony's house (uh oh - dating a month and moving in...), or the stuff she presumably had while bunking at Ricardo's place?

My impression was that the stuff from the apartment was from Amy's apartment.

In her call with Lee, in regards to the missing blackjack phone she says she lost, she said it might be in the bags of stuff taken from the apartment. I wonder if LE has searched the inside of the Anthony home, and in particular, Casey's room. There might be some sort of clues or evidence in those bags. I'm wondering if there's anything of Caylee's in those bags?

[drip~drop]

Oh no doubt he was warning her.

One thing that is bothering me about the twists this case is taking is...

Suddenly, Casey is making it about taking sides: Casey's or Caylee's. That's not right.

Selfish girl should know it's ALLLLL about Caylee. She is the missing BABY!
Casey just wants it all about her.
Some mother.:mad:

[nursebeeme]

Bringing this post over from the last thread. I hope I haven't confused or discouraged anyone from posting. Post away!

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedevil21 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2426960#post2426960)
sorry for the length of my last post, guys. i'll refrain...

I hope this isn't because of what I posted. Post long posts, just don't quote them. Although I forget or get in a hurry and forget sometimes. lol.

I love your posts!and it is actually all my fault because I did a daily update and it was looooong and posted it on the thread! Thank you ladybass for starting the sticky and I apologize for clogging the thread! I am a nurse but I can be a dork at times lol:bang:

And blue GOOD LUCK ON THE BAR! I LOVE YOUR POSTS TOO! :clap:

[RR0004]

Do you have that link handy for me please? :) I'm bookmarking so I can at least stop losing links. lol...



I think he handled it well also. He may just be the one that brings that empire down. She depends on him and she trusts him. He can get plenty of information from her. I'm sure he did at the jail meeting this morning, which is what her lawyer dude is trying to hard to block from the media. And of course, by him saying that if he'd known they were being recorded, he would have worded his questions differently.
But, how does this jive with Cindy? If it's obvious to us, what will she think? I'm not so sure he's playing it out for LE. We might be the ones getting played. Sorry, this case is making me VERY cynical.

[CarrieSis]

I think it is sounding more and more likely that Casey left her in the car while doing something else.

From weatherunderground.com
The highest temperature reached this past month was 94 degrees reached both on the 29th and on the 30th (JUNE -ed) (the all-time high for Tampa in May is 98). There were 8 days during May when the high temperature reached or exceeded 90. The coolest day was on the 1st when a low of 61 was reported.

I know this may just be an issue of semantics, but I also recall Cindy's voice to the 911 dispatcher:

It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car

She does not say trunk. She says car. If this is the scenario, Casey would have moved Caylee to the trunk to conceal her body from the mishap, before driving elsewhere.

[SuziQ]

Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH?

As if LE needs to get reciepts from her. They just go to the financial and get them themselves.

[nursebeeme]

Lady- you have become the bestest new thread starter! Thanks! i AGREE Galvino! :clap::clap: our lady is on top of stuff! thank you, lady!:clap::clap:

[Blink34]

Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH?

You know, I think she's psychotic that LE would have the nerve to think her kid offed her grandaughter, truly.. I think she knows Caylee is dead and has gone into hyper mode to prove someone else other than that cokehoskank kid of hers did it. This woman may singlehandedly change the face of psych101 everywhere.

[SuziQ]

and it is actually all my fault because I did a daily update and it was looooong and posted it on the thread! Thank you ladybass for starting the sticky and I apologize for clogging the thread! I am a nurse but I can be a dork at times lol:bang:

And blue GOOD LUCK ON THE BAR! I LOVE YOUR POSTS TOO! :clap:

lol, You are not a dork and don't apologize. Thanks for doing the updates, it helps alot!

[thisbliss]

Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH?

Oh you will walk to the ends of the earth to get your GD back but you will not pull out receipts you have put away...WTH? I can see where casey get's her reasoning skills from. :furious:

[Ladybass0711]

I think it is sounding more and more likely that Casey left her in the car while doing something else.

From weatherunderground.com


I know this may just be an issue of semantics, but I also recall Cindy's voice to the 911 dispatcher:



She does not say trunk. She says car. If this is the scenario, Casey would have moved Caylee to the trunk to conceal her body from the mishap, before driving elsewhere.


Police have ruled out that caylee died inside her car seat. So I am assuming they ruled out she died in the back seat of the car.

Cause they never found any fluids, etc

[Blink34]

As if LE needs to get reciepts from her. They just go to the financial and get them themselves.

I cannot put my finger on what the h*ll is wrong with this woman- she's like a character playing herself it's that bad. They never took them from her in the first place because they already had them- nutjob

[RR0004]

Oh you will walk to the ends of the earth to get your GD back but you will not pull out receipts you have put away...WTH? I can see where casey get's her reasoning skills from. :furious:
I think she's pissed 'cause nobody likes her! (just a little haha)

[nursebeeme]

Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH? it is Diane B!!!! astounding! but guess what....she can put them away physically but electronically she is screeeeeeewed! I AM AT MY WITS END WITH GIVING THIS GMA THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT DAMMIT!:furious::mad::eek::furious::mad::eek::furi ous::mad::eek::furious:

[liltigress]

But, how does this jive with Cindy? If it's obvious to us, what will she think? I'm not so sure he's playing it out for LE. We might be the ones getting played. Sorry, this case is making me VERY cynical.

After hearing the phone call between Lee and Casey that was posted today, I fully believe that Lee knows something is not right. I'm sure Lee loves that baby girl and his sister, but.. how can I say this without sounding sexist.. He doesn't have those motherly reactions that Cindy has. He doesn't appear that he'd want to conceal things like the feline side of this family. George strikes me this way also. These guys are sharp, I think they'll surprise us.

[Ladybass0711]

i AGREE Galvino! :clap::clap: our lady is on top of stuff! thank you, lady!:clap::clap:

Ty but it takes a group to run like we do!

[GardenGate]

Hi all, what does IIRC mean please?

Thanks!

[Cubby]

Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH?


Where was this from? I must have missed it earlier, do you have a link?
thank you!

[SuziQ]

But, how does this jive with Cindy? If it's obvious to us, what will she think? I'm not so sure he's playing it out for LE. We might be the ones getting played. Sorry, this case is making me VERY cynical.

I've been wondering if Cindy read Lee the riot act, after his comment that Casey is willing to talk to investigators. It completely contradicted what Cindy tried to spin about talking to FBI, not trusting local LE, etc.

Cindy and Lee seem to have a different view of the situation. That can't be a fun thing to deal with in that household.

[Cubby]

Hi all, what does IIRC mean please?

Thanks!


If I recall correctly. I had to ask on that one too. :)

Welcome to WS GardenGate

[STEADFAST]

Hi all, what does IIRC mean please?

Thanks!
If I Recall Correctly

[nursebeeme]

More likely.

What we'll be getting from now on (please don't gag order Judge Strickland!!)
will be more acting and embelishing. More bs.
imo
Drippy...speaking of that...I recall hearing on msm somewhere today that the final psyche eval must be in before the wednesday renegotiation of bond hearing! This SHOULD BE INTERESTING IF THEY RELEASE ANY EXAM DETAILS (which you would think they would have to release at least a few from the DA to deny reduction of bond...blue? blue? what say you?) aside....blue is our websleuther taking the bar exam soon! GOOD LUCK BLUE!:)

[cheko1]

I didn't like how he was telling her that her visits and phone calls would be public record, like warning her almost. Other than that, he did a good job. The girl is a liar, not much any of us can do about it, her mom is a huge enabler.

I didn't like that either....isn't that the job of her lawyer to warn her of such things?

[Leila]

Oh no doubt he was warning her.

One thing that is bothering me about the twists this case is taking is...

Suddenly, Casey is making it about taking sides: Casey's or Caylee's. That's not right.

I think Lee had to warn her just to prove to her that he's on her side.

Yes, Casey is making this about taking sides. But I think it's more a matter of......those who believe her lies are "on her side." Those who don't believe her lies are the enemy.

If Casey is a true psychopathic personality, they are afraid of those who don't believe them. The people who don't believe them could expose them and they fear exposure.

[cindysnow3]

Hi all, what does IIRC mean please?

Thanks!

IIRC= If I Remember Correctly

[CarrieSis]

Police have ruled out that caylee died inside her car seat. So I am assuming they ruled out she died in the back seat of the car.

Cause they never found any fluids, etc

Good to know - I had not seen this. TY!

[GardenGate]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate it and the welcome! You are amazing! I have been here on and off since the Hacking case. It is awesome the way you all work together.

Have a great night, LM

[SuziQ]

I cannot put my finger on what the h*ll is wrong with this woman- she's like a character playing herself it's that bad. They never took them from her in the first place because they already had them- nutjob

IMO, she's a narcissist who gave birth to a sociopath.

[nursebeeme]

Police have ruled out that caylee died inside her car seat. So I am assuming they ruled out she died in the back seat of the car.

Cause they never found any fluids, etc lady, the stain was in the trunk so if the carseat cleared this is actually more ominous imhoo. That means she didn't die accidentaly in a hot car strapped to the car seat but rather she was alive in the trunk, or placed in the trunk dead...if forensics validate that... and sorry to be graphic

[Blink34]

But, how does this jive with Cindy? If it's obvious to us, what will she think? I'm not so sure he's playing it out for LE. We might be the ones getting played. Sorry, this case is making me VERY cynical.

I posted this several threads ago, but I think Lee and Caylee are very close. Recall that he was the one to get her to admit Caylee was missing in the first place- I believe Det. Melich has explained to Lee that the best chance his sis has is to confess before they find Caylee. I think he would be willing to cross Cindy as LE would have told him the longer this goes on, the longer she sets herself up for an obstruction charge,and 50% of his family is in the clink and this baby deserved better- it really is the only way to begin to heal.

[cheko1]

Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH?

I wanted to bi!ch slap her when she said that.......yep she sure wants to find her Granddaughter. Easier to blame LE & the world for Caylee being missing!

[liltigress]

I haven't decided the difference between psychopath and sociopath with Casey. She could fall into either.

[Ladybass0711]

lady, the stain was in the trunk so if the carseat cleared this is actually more ominous imhoo. That means she didn't die accidentaly in a hot car strapped to the car seat but rather she was alive in the trunk, or placed in the trunk dead...if forensics validate that... and sorry to be graphic


Yep I agree!

[Blink34]

IMO, she's a narcissist who gave birth to a sociopath.

OMG you nailed that one. LOL

[Leila]

After hearing the phone call between Lee and Casey that was posted today, I fully believe that Lee knows something is not right. I'm sure Lee loves that baby girl and his sister, but.. how can I say this without sounding sexist.. He doesn't have those motherly reactions that Cindy has. He doesn't appear that he'd want to conceal things like the feline side of this family. George strikes me this way also. These guys are sharp, I think they'll surprise us.

I think so too. Cindy's reactions and interviews have all been based in emotional outbursts. But George and Lee seem to be operating more from logic.

I'd like to know what Lee's occupation is...........has it been mentioned?

[Leila]

Ty but it takes a group to run like we do!

Ladybass...............I just wanted to add my thank you too! :)

[liltigress]

lady, the stain was in the trunk so if the carseat cleared this is actually more ominous imhoo. That means she didn't die accidentaly in a hot car strapped to the car seat but rather she was alive in the trunk, or placed in the trunk dead...if forensics validate that... and sorry to be graphic

You're a nurse, let's get graphic for a moment. You've seen someone die, right? I don't know the size of the stain in the trunk, but IIRC (lol) we heard "A" stain, meaning only one. You know where I'm going with this? Soo.. that makes me think no one died IN the trunk, but was placed in the trunk after death.

[nursebeeme]

:Welcome-12-june::newbie::smiliescale:Thanks everyone, I appreciate it and the welcome! You are amazing! I have been here on and off since the Hacking case. It is awesome the way you all work together.

Have a great night, LMWelcome GG!

[txsvicki]

lady, the stain was in the trunk so if the carseat cleared this is actually more ominous imhoo. That means she didn't die accidentaly in a hot car strapped to the car seat but rather she was alive in the trunk, or placed in the trunk dead...if forensics validate that... and sorry to be graphic


Dirt being in the trunk along with the odor makes it even worse.

[nursebeeme]

IMO, she's a narcissist who gave birth to a sociopath.I nominate this as websleuths quote of the day on the caylee subthread!:):):):clap::clap::clap:

[LinetteH]

I'd like to know what Lee's occupation is...........has it been mentioned?

He appears to travel quite a bit and also it seems like he might write for sports columns. I am not sure but if you read his myspace messages they seem geared toward that type of occupation.

[DianeB]

Where was this from? I must have missed it earlier, do you have a link?
thank you!Not yet. It was a B-roll interview that opened Greta's show tonight, recorded by a local Fox reporter just before they went to air.

Are you on the west coast? If you are and have access to Fox News network, it'll be on again at 10pm. It might be up online soon, at least on the Fox Orlando site.

Cindy expressed anger at the police for not sitting down with the family since last Saturday to keep them informed of progress. Apparently she wasn't paying attention in court the other day when the detective testified that her daughter is now considered a Person of Interest. (Sure, ma'am, we'll be right over to let you know about all the evidence we're amassing against your daughter.)

[nursebeeme]

I posted this several threads ago, but I think Lee and Caylee are very close. Recall that he was the one to get her to admit Caylee was missing in the first place- I believe Det. Melich has explained to Lee that the best chance his sis has is to confess before they find Caylee. I think he would be willing to cross Cindy as LE would have told him the longer this goes on, the longer she sets herself up for an obstruction charge,and 50% of his family is in the clink and this baby deserved better- it really is the only way to begin to heal.Blink, as always, you make sense on so many levels. Thanks for that post!

[RR0004]

I've been wondering if Cindy read Lee the riot act, after his comment that Casey is willing to talk to investigators. It completely contradicted what Cindy tried to spin about talking to FBI, not trusting local LE, etc.

Cindy and Lee seem to have a different view of the situation. That can't be a fun thing to deal with in that household.
That's why it's confusing me. Would he really oppose his mother outright?

[Blink34]

Drippy...speaking of that...I recall hearing on msm somewhere today that the final psyche eval must be in before the wednesday renegotiation of bond hearing! This SHOULD BE INTERESTING IF THEY RELEASE ANY EXAM DETAILS (which you would think they would have to release at least a few from the DA to deny reduction of bond...blue? blue? what say you?) aside....blue is our websleuther taking the bar exam soon! GOOD LUCK BLUE!:)

Good Luck Blue- think LSATS on crack, you'll be fine.
They will reduce her bond about as fast as her Mother gets her head on straight.
Baez gets a gag order tomorrow, Casey's reduction of Bond gets denied based on her own parents claim it is the safest place for her, the psych eval, and yes, minimum new evidence that this is now a homicide investigation. Flight risk for the girl missing for a month (according to mommycindy), I think she sits and rots till she cracks, which will be soon.

[CarrieSis]

You're a nurse, let's get graphic for a moment. You've seen someone die, right? I don't know the size of the stain in the trunk, but IIRC (lol) we heard "A" stain, meaning only one. You know where I'm going with this? Soo.. that makes me think no one died IN the trunk, but was placed in the trunk after death.

I don't want to make the wrong assumption, so can you tell me what you're referring to here? (if it's too graphic for the board feel free to PM me.)

How... long after death does an uninjured body.. leak?

[Blink34]

That's why it's confusing me. Would he really oppose his mother outright?

I think he wants this over, his niece brought home, and his sister the opportunity to do the right thing. But maybe I am just desperate for a decent person in this family right now.

[whiteangora]

[quote=liltigress;2427047]Do you have that link handy for me please? :) I'm bookmarking so I can at least stop losing links. lol...

http://www.wftv.com/index.html
All on their main page :)

[cheko1]

Cindy expressed anger at the police for not sitting down with the family since last Saturday to keep them informed of progress. Apparently she wasn't paying attention in court the other day when the detective testified that her daughter is now considered a Person of Interest. (Sure, ma'am, we'll be right over to let you know about all the evidence we're amassing against your daughter.)


Cindy wouldn't know if LE sat down with the family.....she done lost it.
She only hears what Cindy wants to hear & nothing else registers!

[liltigress]

What's interesting is that Casey told Lee on the phone that her therapist asked her about Caylee's whereabouts. I never thought she'd be asked those type questions unless it was from LE.

[Blink34]

I don't want to make the wrong assumption, so can you tell me what you're referring to here? (if it's too graphic for the board feel free to PM me.)

How... long after death does an uninjured body.. leak?

Depends on the COD. For most, the bowels alone release immediately.
Decomp also depends on conditions, but more than that yes is graphic..

[Cubby]

Not yet. It was a B-roll interview that opened Greta's show tonight, recorded by a local Fox reporter just before they went to air.

Are you on the west coast? If you are and have access to Fox News network, it'll be on again at 10pm. It might be up online soon, at least on the Fox Orlando site.

Cindy expressed anger at the police for not sitting down with the family since last Saturday to keep them informed of progress. Apparently she wasn't paying attention in court the other day when the detective testified that her daughter is now considered a Person of Interest. (Sure, ma'am, we'll be right over to let you know about all the evidence we're amassing against your daughter.)

thanks. Central time zone. Maybe it will come on again at midnight ( 15 min )

[STEADFAST]

Dirt being in the trunk along with the odor makes it even worse.

The dirt, the fluids, and the cadaver dogs alerting would be enough to refute Casey's lies, even if they had been believable.

[liltigress]

I don't want to make the wrong assumption, so can you tell me what you're referring to here? (if it's too graphic for the board feel free to PM me.)

How... long after death does an uninjured body.. leak?

I wasn't going to get anymore graphic than that one question, sorry for the shock factor. I was only meaning, bodily fluids at death would seem more abundant than just a stain? And with dirt still being in the trunk, it doesn't appear anyone tried to clean up the car? Hope that helps.

[RR0004]

I didn't like that either....isn't that the job of her lawyer to warn her of such things?
I think he did. That's why you had a lot of uh huhs. I can't believe she even chuckled about there being people there with "recorders". Hey, b*tch, you DO want your daughter found, don't you?

[DianeB]

What's interesting is that Casey told Lee on the phone that her therapist asked her about Caylee's whereabouts. I never thought she'd be asked those type questions unless it was from LE.Was she asked where Caylee is, or if she thinks Caylee is OK?

Would the psych doctor have confronted her directly about Caylee's whereabouts, or tried to worm it out of her sideways?

[cheko1]

I think he wants this over, his niece brought home, and his sister the opportunity to do the right thing. But maybe I am just desperate for a decent person in this family right now.

Blink I don't see it that way at all. But maybe I'm just not a nice person... if it were a member of my family I'd tell them right up front your being stupid! You better talk & tell everything you know / if you don't you might be sitting in jail a LONG time. Thats probably putting it very mildly knowing me.

I can't even see the courts awarding Cindy Caylee if she were found alive. She is a basket case & needs a great deal of mental help herself.

[Carrington]

You're a nurse, let's get graphic for a moment. You've seen someone die, right? I don't know the size of the stain in the trunk, but IIRC (lol) we heard "A" stain, meaning only one. You know where I'm going with this? Soo.. that makes me think no one died IN the trunk, but was placed in the trunk after death.

I still think, Caylee was left in the hot car, Casey thought she was dead, and hid her in the trunk. Where she died.
It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
That's why the dogs smelled death in the trunk and not the car.
IMO

[nursebeeme]

You're a nurse, let's get graphic for a moment. You've seen someone die, right? I don't know the size of the stain in the trunk, but IIRC (lol) we heard "A" stain, meaning only one. You know where I'm going with this? Soo.. that makes me think no one died IN the trunk, but was placed in the trunk after death. Ok...let's go hypothetical nurse... and I am a critical care nurse...worked regional level one burn unit, open heart, sicu, nicu, etc for the last 15 years... anyhoo. if the stain is dormant in a rug or in a place that would allow for seepage...ie, already dead or died in the same spot. If there is no spatter or transfer (which we have not heard about...but doesn't mean it didn't or doesn't exist) you can assume that whatever left a stain that was picked up on by black light in the trunk had oozed onto the area it stained...and that is passive...not active...staining IMHOO. We do not know how big or small the stain was.... if there were someone deceased placed in the trunk...even wrapped in a blanket....upon my knowledge of what happens after death and amount of bodily fluids that can accumulate, it is possible to even soak through blankets and leave a miniscule stain and an area that cadaver dogs could pick up on...again....my professional opinion only and sorry if it was too graphic.
~nurse unplugged

[liltigress]

[quote=liltigress;2427047]Do you have that link handy for me please? :) I'm bookmarking so I can at least stop losing links. lol...

http://www.wftv.com/index.html
All on their main page :)

Thank a bunch. I'll eventually have these links all bookmarked where I can stop asking for repeats. :)

[Mygirlsadie]

I wonder if her mind done went into survival mode?




Cindy wouldn't know if LE sat down with the family.....she done lost it.
She only hears what Cindy wants to hear & nothing else registers!

[CarrieSis]

Ty that was what I was thinking.

HOWEVER - do we know if Caylee was pottytrained yet? That might account for the stain not being as large as would normally be found.

[cheko1]

I think he did. That's why you had a lot of uh huhs. I can't believe she even chuckled about there being people there with "recorders". Hey, b*tch, you DO want your daughter found, don't you?

I don't think she does want Caylee found. She is probably loving all the attention she is getting. She is a demented lieing b*tch!!!!

Yes your probably right about her lawyer. Like he is going to tell her what she can & can't do!!!! :waitasec:

[babycat]

Oh you will walk to the ends of the earth to get your GD back but you will not pull out receipts you have put away...WTH? I can see where casey get's her reasoning skills from. :furious:

Well said!

[RR0004]

Good Luck Blue- think LSATS on crack, you'll be fine.
They will reduce her bond about as fast as her Mother gets her head on straight.
Baez gets a gag order tomorrow, Casey's reduction of Bond gets denied based on her own parents claim it is the safest place for her, the psych eval, and yes, minimum new evidence that this is now a homicide investigation. Flight risk for the girl missing for a month (according to mommycindy), I think she sits and rots till she cracks, which will be soon.
Oh, I do hope so...but with people like Casey it's all about winning. If the family had any evidence about where Caylee was I think they would have forked it over by now. I'm afraid that little Caylee will never be found.

[Ladybass0711]

That's why it's confusing me. Would he really oppose his mother outright?


I don't think he has a choice, I think he realizes that his sister has the key to where Caylee is, and he knows that she is probably going down for that. He probably wants to do it on the downlow, and out of Cindy's ear or sight because he knows that she could also be going down. I think Lee has a heart, and he knows that the right thing to do is to bring this baby home, and he doesn't care what his mother says, or does, he will do whatever it takes to get the truth from Casey, even if it means lying to her and pretending he is on her side.

[liltigress]

Was she asked where Caylee is, or if she thinks Caylee is OK?

Would the psych doctor have confronted her directly about Caylee's whereabouts, or tried to worm it out of her sideways?

It almost did seem like trying to worm it out of her, didn't it? Just my opinion from such a short discussion about her and her shrink. But yes, I believe she was asked if she thinks Caylee is ok.

[STEADFAST]

What's interesting is that Casey told Lee on the phone that her therapist asked her about Caylee's whereabouts. I never thought she'd be asked those type questions unless it was from LE.

I think the therapist probably asked her whether she was worried about Caylee or something like that, not where Caylee is. Here's the section of Lee's call dealing with this:
Lee: Right. What do you think -- uh, where do you think -- you think Caylee's OK right now?
Casey: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/28/lee_anthony39s_jailhouse_call_with_casey.html

[Ladybass0711]

What's interesting is that Casey told Lee on the phone that her therapist asked her about Caylee's whereabouts. I never thought she'd be asked those type questions unless it was from LE.

It was the Court appointed psycholigist, so they are probably working with the police. Just like the one guy on SVU, who works with the detectives, and tries to find out what they are really thinking.

[cheko1]

I wonder if her mind done went into survival mode?

Tonight the interview she did on Fox appeared to me like she had finally went over the edge or was totally intoxicated. She rambled on like a maniac.

[Leila]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate it and the welcome! You are amazing! I have been here on and off since the Hacking case. It is awesome the way you all work together.

Have a great night, LM

Welcome GardenGate! :)

[Ladybass0711]

Blink I don't see it that way at all. But maybe I'm just not a nice person... if it were a member of my family I'd tell them right up front your being stupid! You better talk & tell everything you know / if you don't you might be sitting in jail a LONG time. Thats probably putting it very mildly knowing me.

I can't even see the courts awarding Cindy Caylee if she were found alive. She is a basket case & needs a great deal of mental help herself.

But if he gets pissy and rude towards casey he knows damn well that casey will clam up and not speak, and then they will loose there chance forever. At least Lee is able to get some answers from her, and eventually hoping he will be able to get the truth.

But if you yell and scream at a person they are going to clam up. I tell you, if I had a choice on how to approach someone, i think I would much rather kiss the persons ass to get the truth, rather then take my chances by yelling and screaming at the person.

[DianeB]

Oh, I do hope so...but with people like Casey it's all about winning. If the family had any evidence about where Caylee was I think they would have forked it over by now. I'm afraid that little Caylee will never be found.I think it's also about performing. Now that Casey is aware of her audience, everything she says is going to be a performance.

I was particularly disgusted during her phone conversation w/Lee when she mentioned that Jose is going to bring her some videotapes of the media coverage to watch so she can "get a laugh" out of them.

This goes beyond WTH to WTF.

[Carrington]

Ty that was what I was thinking.

HOWEVER - do we know if Caylee was pottytrained yet? That might account for the stain not being as large as would normally be found.

I was wondering if she was potty trained also. Caylee was/is almost 3 years old. And, I was wondering if she still took a bottle.
Even though a neighbor said Casey breastfed....

[RR0004]

I think the therapist probably asked her whether she was worried about Caylee or something like that, not where Caylee is. Here's the section of Lee's call dealing with this:
Lee: Right. What do you think -- uh, where do you think -- you think Caylee's OK right now?
Casey: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/28/lee_anthony39s_jailhouse_call_with_casey.html
You see, now I think that was a rehearsed answer to make it appear that she really believes someone has absconded with her child and she has never had anything to do with her child's disappearance. In other words, now that she's made it public, it MUST be true.

[Leila]

He appears to travel quite a bit and also it seems like he might write for sports columns. I am not sure but if you read his myspace messages they seem geared toward that type of occupation.

Thanks............sounds like he's got a good career going. :)

[RR0004]

I think it's also about performing. Now that Casey is aware of her audience, everything she says is going to be a performance.

I was particularly disgusted during her phone conversation w/Lee when she mentioned that Jose is going to bring her some videotapes of the media coverage to watch so she can "get a laugh" out of them.

This goes beyond WTH to WTF.
Sorry, Diane...our posts crossed!!

[liltigress]

Ok...let's go hypothetical nurse... and I am a critical care nurse...worked regional level one burn unit, open heart, sicu, nicu, etc for the last 15 years... anyhoo. if the stain is dormant in a rug or in a place that would allow for seepage...ie, already dead or died in the same spot. If there is no spatter or transfer (which we have not heard about...but doesn't mean it didn't or doesn't exist) you can assume that whatever left a stain that was picked up on by black light in the trunk had oozed onto the area it stained...and that is passive...not active...staining IMHOO. We do not know how big or small the stain was.... if there were someone deceased placed in the trunk...even wrapped in a blanket....upon my knowledge of what happens after death and amount of bodily fluids that can accumulate, it is possible to even soak through blankets and leave a miniscule stain and an area that cadaver dogs could pick up on...again....my professional opinion only and sorry if it was too graphic.
~nurse unplugged

That wasn't too graphic for me, but I asked for it. This is something I had to consider. Nothing is black or white here. More professional opinions will help to give us a general direction to guestimate what happened to Caylee, if anything. These are things that go through my mind as to any scenario.

And these opinions still keep me thinking that a deceased body was placed in the trunk, not alive...again, IF this is what forensics comes back as.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yeah well good luck with that when LE comes over with a warrant to obtain them. I can't stand that kind of attitude. I'm tellin ya..if it were my grandchild missing I would just hand LE a house key & tell them whatever you need to do or see or ask day or night DO IT..anything!





Cindy's petulance is astounding.

"I kept the receipts and stuff out for two weeks, and no one wanted to look at it. It's too late now, I've put it away and I'm not going to pull it out."

WTH?

[Salem]

Very nice work on the daily recap LadyBass! Thank you so much! As fast as I read I am always pages and pages behind! :)

Thank YOU!

Salem

[RR0004]

I think it's also about performing. Now that Casey is aware of her audience, everything she says is going to be a performance.

I was particularly disgusted during her phone conversation w/Lee when she mentioned that Jose is going to bring her some videotapes of the media coverage to watch so she can "get a laugh" out of them.

This goes beyond WTH to WTF.
Yeah, and so she can have an answer ready for any question that may be asked her...just like her mother!

[txsvicki]

I think the whole family should stop any contact, refuse to pay any bail, and prosecute the stolen charge card amount if possible. They should arrange search parties to search areas where Casey may have put Caylee, quit talking to the media, and let LE handle getting to the truth instead of falling for the cons and lies of an experienced psychopath.

[DianeB]

Sorry, Diane...our posts crossed!!Groupthink!

[babycat]

(Sure, ma'am, we'll be right over to let you know about all the evidence we're amassing against your daughter.)

:rolling:

Watching the repeat now...I like how Cindy says that "the public is getting frustrated, because they know that Caylee is alive and that my daughter is innocent"

We don't know ANYTHING, because your daughter won't come clean. That is why the public is frustrated...


I do feel really badly for Lee, if he was really chased :mad:

[Ladybass0711]

Very nice work on the daily recap LadyBass! Thank you so much! As fast as I read I am always pages and pages behind! :)

Thank YOU!

Salem

That wasn't me, it was nursebeeme Thank her. I just started a thread.

[Mygirlsadie]

I feel for this lady.. I hope and pray to never be in her situation because by now I would of already been admitted to the nut ward.




Tonight the interview she did on Fox appeared to me like she had finally went over the edge or was totally intoxicated. She rambled on like a maniac.

[CarrieSis]

She was drinking from a sippy cup, shown in one of the pics on NG today (not sure of the date, though.) I think it's the insulated cup Walmart sells in a 2 pack, looks similar to the ones we have here at home.

Could they have tried to sleep in the car?

[cheko1]

But if he gets pissy and rude towards casey he knows damn well that casey will clam up and not speak, and then they will loose there chance forever. At least Lee is able to get some answers from her, and eventually hoping he will be able to get the truth.

But if you yell and scream at a person they are going to clam up. I tell you, if I had a choice on how to approach someone, i think I would much rather kiss the persons ass to get the truth, rather then take my chances by yelling and screaming at the person.


I hope & pray someone soon gets to her so she talks. I would never have the patience or self control to do it. NEVER!!!

I know screaming would do no good & I'd have to walk away...

[babycat]

That's why it's confusing me. Would he really oppose his mother outright?

I think that she is in total denial, and Lee is focusing on Casey AND Caylee's welfare, but maybe getting Casey to tell the truth so she gets a better sentence, and by bringing Caylee home...whatever that may mean.

So I don't think he's doing it to anger her, or in blatant opposition to her- I think he's just doing the right thing for all of them.

But who knows.

[babycat]

Cindy wouldn't know if LE sat down with the family.....she done lost it.
She only hears what Cindy wants to hear & nothing else registers!

That about sums it up :crazy:

[LinetteH]

I think the whole family should stop any contact, refuse to pay any bail, and prosecute the stolen charge card amount if possible. They should arrange search parties to search areas where Casey may have put Caylee, quit talking to the media, and let LE handle getting to the truth instead of falling for the cons and lies of an experienced psychopath.

I TOTALLY agree!!!!!

[Openmyeyes]

something that just occurred to me, jose baez says that casey borrowed the shovel BEFORE moving out of the house, according to the family, Casey never moved out right? They need to get together and practice their lies

Not only this, but Cindy said in her rant at the beginning of Greta/Megans
show tonight that she brought over all of Caseys stuff "from the apartment".

Well, Cindy did she or didn't she move out?????

Quit coloring the truth.

OME

[babycat]

Blink I don't see it that way at all. But maybe I'm just not a nice person... if it were a member of my family I'd tell them right up front your being stupid! You better talk & tell everything you know / if you don't you might be sitting in jail a LONG time. Thats probably putting it very mildly knowing me.

I can't even see the courts awarding Cindy Caylee if she were found alive. She is a basket case & needs a great deal of mental help herself.

Me too:) But I don't think Casey would respond well to that...I think she would just be more withdrawn if you pushed her...

[cheko1]

I feel for this lady.. I hope and pray to never be in her situation because by now I would of already been admitted to the nut ward.

I think she is hiding something from LE. She knows alot more then she is saying. It started out as tough love for her by calling LE / now she is suffering from survivors guilt. Blames herself for Casey being in jail......Casey blames her too.

[nursebeeme]

Ty that was what I was thinking.

HOWEVER - do we know if Caylee was pottytrained yet? That might account for the stain not being as large as would normally be found. I do not believe a cadaver dog would hit on urine from a living person... hold on...looking....~snip from another message board but also further searching this~snip~




Cadaver dogs will not alert to urine or anything like that. It has to be the two chemicals that appear only when a body is decaying"

[nursebeeme]

I don't think he has a choice, I think he realizes that his sister has the key to where Caylee is, and he knows that she is probably going down for that. He probably wants to do it on the downlow, and out of Cindy's ear or sight because he knows that she could also be going down. I think Lee has a heart, and he knows that the right thing to do is to bring this baby home, and he doesn't care what his mother says, or does, he will do whatever it takes to get the truth from Casey, even if it means lying to her and pretending he is on her side.
Lady, my opinion as well! He is walking on eggshells. How much more can he take until he cracks as well. As human beings we all have a cracking point.

[Salem]

I think he wants this over, his niece brought home, and his sister the opportunity to do the right thing. But maybe I am just desperate for a decent person in this family right now.

I agree Blink. I think Lee knows how to handle Casey and he does not have a lot of tolerance for her BS and Casey knows that. AND I think Lee really wants Caylee home. If Caylee comes home, Casey can come home and this will all go away.

So far, Lee is the only one to call Casey on her nonsense. He has consistently said "Don't lie and twist words with me, don't yell at me and don't waste my time" to Casey every time he has talked to her.

As for going directly against his mother - I would say, NO PROBLEM. He grew up with Casey. He has been watching this for the past 22 years. It is obvious he is fed up with the catering to Casey and her lies. He's done with it. It was probably difficult when they were growing up and now he has moved out and doesn't have to deal with it much and he probably likes that. Now that he has been thrown back into the mess, he's doing it his way, because after all, look how far mom and dad got......

Salem

[cheko1]

Me too:) But I don't think Casey would respond well to that...I think she would just be more withdrawn if you pushed her...

She better wake up real quick & face the fact LE isn't playing her game. They could care less how many years she gets.

[nursebeeme]

Tonight the interview she did on Fox appeared to me like she had finally went over the edge or was totally intoxicated. She rambled on like a maniac. benzodiazipines and ECTOH are a dangerous combo...and I can see them at work in her statements imhnursingoo

[liltigress]

I do not believe a cadaver dog would hit on urine from a living person... hold on...looking....~snip from another message board but also further searching this~snip~




Cadaver dogs will not alert to urine or anything like that. It has to be the two chemicals that appear only when a body is decaying"

That is what I was thinking also. Cadaver dogs will only hit on HUMAN decomposition, not a rotting bag of pizza with maggots nor animal decomposition.

[cheko1]

Good night all my WS friends!

[DianeB]

I think she is hiding something from LE. She knows alot more then she is saying. It started out as tough love for her by calling LE / now she is suffering from survivors guilt. Blames herself for Casey being in jail......Casey blames her too.Actually, on the Greta interview tonight she blamed law enforcement for her daughter being in jail. Say what?

Cindy demands R-E-S-P-E-C-T, but doesn't want to reciprocate.

I am sorry for what she must be going through, knowing in her heart that little Caylee is gone and thinking that maybe she could have done something to prevent it. But I've never seen a less sympathetic crime victim.

[cheko1]

benzodiazipines and ECTOH are a dangerous combo...and I can see them at work in her statements imhnursingoo

More than dangerous combo....she is a mess!

[BrandyMarie]

Where can I listen to the phone call between Casey and Lee?

[nursebeeme]

:rolling:

Watching the repeat now...I like how Cindy says that "the public is getting frustrated, because they know that Caylee is alive and that my daughter is innocent"

We don't know ANYTHING, because your daughter won't come clean. That is why the public is frustrated...


I do feel really badly for Lee, if he was really chased :mad: chased by air molecules in my opinion. He was hightailing it out of there like a fart in a windstorm imhoo!

[Ladybass0711]

Not only this, but Cindy said in her rant at the beginning of Greta/Megans
show tonight that she brought over all of Caseys stuff "from the apartment".

Well, Cindy did she or didn't she move out?????

Quit coloring the truth.

OME

Do we have a link to where cindy was talking to Greta* tonite??

[cheko1]

Actually, on the Greta interview tonight she blamed law enforcement for her daughter being in jail. Say what?

Cindy demands R-E-S-P-E-C-T, but doesn't want to reciprocate.

I am sorry for what she must be going through, knowing in her heart that little Caylee is gone and thinking that maybe she could have done something to prevent it. But I've never seen a less sympathetic crime victim.

I also understand what she is going through. But quit blaming everyone but her daughter. When she blamed LE for Casey being in jail...I thought well what the hell did you expect them to do???

Casey has apparently always played games with her folks. The law doesn't take kindly to it & won't tolerate it.

She also needs to give respect before she gets any respect.........

[nursebeeme]

That wasn't me, it was nursebeeme Thank her. I just started a thread. and it wasn't just me either...I just typed it all into a neat little package...

as someone just said (and I am too tired to go look right now but will do so in a sec and ETA later...) it is GROUP THINK.

and THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF WS AND WHY IT IS THE BEST SITE ON THE WWW!

HUGS TO ALL WEBSLEUTHERS!!!! :blowkiss: WHO STAND FOR VICTIMS AND JUSTICE!

[GetSmart]

I agree Blink. I think Lee knows how to handle Casey and he does not have a lot of tolerance for her BS and Casey knows that. AND I think Lee really wants Caylee home. If Caylee comes home, Casey can come home and this will all go away.

So far, Lee is the only one to call Casey on her nonsense. He has consistently said "Don't lie and twist words with me, don't yell at me and don't waste my time" to Casey every time he has talked to her.

As for going directly against his mother - I would say, NO PROBLEM. He grew up with Casey. He has been watching this for the past 22 years. It is obvious he is fed up with the catering to Casey and her lies. He's done with it. It was probably difficult when they were growing up and now he has moved out and doesn't have to deal with it much and he probably likes that. Now that he has been thrown back into the mess, he's doing it his way, because after all, look how far mom and dad got......

Salem

That is exactly what I see in his conversations. Mom is in denial..ahh love they gave this girl everything she is a spoilt brat

[Ladybass0711]

chased by air molecules in my opinion. He was hightailing it out of there like a fart in a windstorm imhoo!

If he went out a back door, to escape the media, this could be a sign that he is working with LE, and they have advised him not to make anymore statements to the media.

[Leila]

Blink I don't see it that way at all. But maybe I'm just not a nice person... if it were a member of my family I'd tell them right up front your being stupid! You better talk & tell everything you know / if you don't you might be sitting in jail a LONG time. Thats probably putting it very mildly knowing me.

I can't even see the courts awarding Cindy Caylee if she were found alive. She is a basket case & needs a great deal of mental help herself.

:clap: Exactly! If, on the outside chance that Caylee is found alive, I would hope Child Protective Services would step in immediately.

[DianeB]

chased by air molecules in my opinion. He was hightailing it out of there like a fart in a windstorm imhoo!Were those his tires squealing I heard? Why not just let the news van follow you to wherever you're going? No need to rush - as long as they're behind you, they're going slower than you are!

[Nicole_LongIsland]

Where can I listen to the phone call between Casey and Lee?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7081408&version=1&locale=EN-US

[nursebeeme]

I TOTALLY agree!!!!!
IF they had nothing to hide...they would. Too bad they don't realize that they have run out of rocks to hide sh#t under! It has crossed over the line from a protective family into complete and utter lunacy!:eek:

[Blink34]

I do not believe a cadaver dog would hit on urine from a living person... hold on...looking....~snip from another message board but also further searching this~snip~




Cadaver dogs will not alert to urine or anything like that. It has to be the two chemicals that appear only when a body is decaying"

it's on a few threads back, putricine and cadaverine, iirc, actually I lie, it was on chat on Sat 7/26

[Ladybass0711]

Heading to bed everyone Nite!

[nursebeeme]

Not only this, but Cindy said in her rant at the beginning of Greta/Megans
show tonight that she brought over all of Caseys stuff "from the apartment".

Well, Cindy did she or didn't she move out?????

Quit coloring the truth.

OME I bet gma is referring to a few weekend bags and some backpacks or some sh#t like that. Gma is officially off of my list of persons that have any credibility. The ONLY reason I pay attention to what she says is to catch her in another inconsistancy (of which there are many), or an outright strange and obviously fascious comment (again many)

[DianeB]

I'm out, too. Night.

[nursebeeme]

sleep tight cheko!

[InsomniacWoman]

I know screaming would do no good & I'd have to walk away...

Reminds me of the old saying: "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"....

But I know I would have lost my patience long ago, when it comes to getting to the truth in this case, IMO :furious:

[nursebeeme]

Actually, on the Greta interview tonight she blamed law enforcement for her daughter being in jail. Say what?

Cindy demands R-E-S-P-E-C-T, but doesn't want to reciprocate.

I am sorry for what she must be going through, knowing in her heart that little Caylee is gone and thinking that maybe she could have done something to prevent it. But I've never seen a less sympathetic crime victim.
Diane, you are much more of a woman than I could ever be....I am beyond feeling anything more for ms cynthia anthony than complete and utter disgust. She has screwed this case from the getgo and if she goes much further with this screwing action on the part of the investigation...I hope that her as$ is charged post haste!

[Nicole_LongIsland]

Was she asked where Caylee is, or if she thinks Caylee is OK?

Would the psych doctor have confronted her directly about Caylee's whereabouts, or tried to worm it out of her sideways?

I find it very hard to believe that the psychologist asked Casey about Caylee's disappearance. Since the judge ordered a psychological evaluation, this would be limited to psychological testing. Hence, the Rorschach (inkblot), MMPI and possibly the TAT. My bet is that Casey has an Axis II Cluster B (borderline personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder) diagnosis as well as a mood, Axis I Cluster A disorder. Any diagnosis of a personality/character pathology disorder is a severe with a poor prognosis.

[nursebeeme]

Heading to bed everyone Nite! goodnight lady!!! Thanks for all you did today!:)

[swa]

:rolling:

Watching the repeat now...I like how Cindy says that "the public is getting frustrated, because they know that Caylee is alive and that my daughter is innocent" :mad:

This is the main problem. Cindy is really the only person who believes Casey. This is how it has always been.

Cindy believes all of America lives in a fog and can be manipulated -- just like she has been.

[RR0004]

I TOTALLY agree!!!!!
Yup...enough pussyfooting around this crazy girl!! To h*ll with worrying how she'll respond. Trust me she'll keep us dancing forever.

[Openmyeyes]

Do we have a link to where cindy was talking to Greta* tonite??

Ladybass, I just checked You Tube and its not up there yet.

Here is the link from Fox that seems to be have info after the interview with Cindy.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2722866&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=

Go to Fox News, then On the record if I screwed the link up.

OME

[nursebeeme]

I'm out, too. Night.
nite nite Diane B! I am sorry....if you are in bed already....I just seem to always be a page behind in this case!

[OneLostGrl]

benzodiazipines and ECTOH are a dangerous combo...and I can see them at work in her statements imhnursingoo

Obviously I know what benzodiazepines are but what is ECTOH?!

ETA- Thanks so much for the daily update thing!!

[swa]

Diane, you are much more of a woman than I could ever be....I am beyond feeling anything more for ms cynthia anthony than complete and utter disgust. She has screwed this case from the getgo and if she goes much further with this screwing action on the part of the investigation...I hope that her as$ is charged post haste!

Cindy is making Scott Peterson's mom look normal.

[nursebeeme]

I find it very hard to believe that the psychologist asked Casey about Caylee's disappearance. Since the judge ordered a psychological evaluation, this would be limited to psychological testing. Hence, the Rorschach (inkblot), MMPI and possibly the TAT. My bet is that Casey has an Axis II Cluster B (borderline personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder) diagnosis as well as a mood, Axis I Cluster A disorder. Any diagnosis of a personality/character pathology disorder is a severe with a poor prognosis.

dude, I hear ya and I speak the language. I too have speculated that she will be axis I and II. She is a strange fish indeed!

[SuziQ]

NANCY GRACE
Missing Tot`s Mom Thinks Child Is Alive and Close to Home
Aired July 28, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/28/ng.01.html

[nursebeeme]

Obviously I know what benzodiazepines are but what is ECTOH?!

ETA- Thanks so much for the daily update thing!! sorry medical speak/shorthand for alcohol

[OneLostGrl]

dude, I hear ya and I speak the language. I too have speculated that she will be axis I and II. She is a strange fish indeed!

I agree with ya both and have from the start.. though I think Cindy has the same!

[SuziQ]

dude, I hear ya and I speak the language. I too have speculated that she will be axis I and II. She is a strange fish indeed!

What do you and Nicole think Cindy's problem is?

[RR0004]

Heading to bed everyone Nite!
Nite, LB. and Diane..and thanks for everything!

[OneLostGrl]

sorry medical speak/shorthand for alcohol

it's OK, thanks for explaining!

From the very first time I saw Cindy on TV I saw a Benzo buzz in her eyes.

[swa]

What do you and Nicole think Cindy's problem is?

I don't speak their language -- but I can take a stab at:

Psycho.

[JulieAnne]

I have been reading for HOURS trying to catch up - got close but have to go to bed...

On July 16, Casey told the 911 operator it had been 31 days since she had seen Caylee - that puts us at the red letter June 15 again.

I think they (C & C) got in a fight on June 15. Casey took Caylee and moved out because she knew it was the only way to hurt Mom. She still wanted to party and couldn't humble herself enough to go crying back to mom to ask her to babysit so she could go play with her friends - so she left Caylee in the car. I think the heat got her, I am guessing around the 17th. I think Casey freaked and put her in the trunk.

I think the body started to decay. I really think Casey was hoping the situation would somehow right itself... and then it dawned on her that nothing was getting any better...

Someone posted a pic a while back - I think they asked if it was Tony in the pic - well - the pic was taken at Fusion on June 21. It was in the last thread. Check out her expression. I think she was in limbo in that picture - I think the baby was already gone.

On or around June 22, I belieive C and G were out of town. I think Casey borrowed a shovel from a neighbor and then attempted to bury her baby in her parents back yard. I believe she dug the area under the play house.

I think after she returned to her friends home she got scared that someone would find the body so within 24 hours, she returned to her parents house, got the body, put it in the trunk (dirty) broke in to the shed to get the gas and then drove away. She drove somewhere far way and is now certain there will not be evidence.

On the 24th, she talked to Jesse and pretended Caylee was still around. It had become apparent that people would be wondering.

I believe that initially she thought she would still be able to use the car but found the odor would not go away, so she parked it and returned to partying as quickly as possible.

These are all my opinions/idea's. Obviously.

[nursebeeme]

underlying Axis II bpd (which is genetically linked) with an Axis I aggressive narcisscistic personality disorder IMHOO.......again...IMHOO....and I am just a bsn nurse working currently working on my advanced practice fnp degree (with 15 years nursing in critical care areas and 5 years of nursing assistant years under the belt just to show my background and where my assessment skills are coming from)

[Salem]

That wasn't me, it was nursebeeme Thank her. I just started a thread.


Oh --

Nursebeeme - Thank YOU! I'm sorry I got it wrong. The recap is very much appreciated, I can't even tell you! Thank you so much! :blowkiss:

Salem

[drip~drop]

I think it's also about performing. Now that Casey is aware of her audience, everything she says is going to be a performance.

I was particularly disgusted during her phone conversation w/Lee when she mentioned that Jose is going to bring her some videotapes of the media coverage to watch so she can "get a laugh" out of them.

This goes beyond WTH to WTF.

Maybe we should send him some posts to share with that pos so she can see what we think of her bs.:mad:

I think that is pretty messed up of him to do that.

LOOK FOR CAYLEE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!! Forget about Casey, she is at least safe and warm and fed right now.

Is Caylee warm> Has Caylee been eating? Sleeping in a bed?

Honestly------:puke:

[bug050608]

Maybe i heard this wrong, i am on dial up and its taken so far 45 minutes to load this conversation between Casey and her brother.. but when they are talking about the Sim card, he starts to say to her about how the contact information is on the sim card.. and she says about how it can be saved onto the phone OR the sim card.. and how she says "i've thought about that too".. meaning she was thinking of ways to track this lady down, or ways to keep up with the many lies she's putting out there..? Did she purposely put this mysterious nanny into the phone itself and NOT onto the sim?? idk..

[Openmyeyes]

Good night everyone...

Nursebee good job on the update.

OME

[Spring2]

underlying Axis II bpd (which is genetically linked) with an Axis I aggressive narcisscistic personality disorder IMHOO.......again...IMHOO....and I am just a bsn nurse working currently working on my advanced practice fnp degree (with 15 years nursing in critical care areas and 5 years of nursing assistant years under the belt just to show my background and where my assessment skills are coming from)


With this dx, will she be competent to stand trial if she killed Caylee?

[swa]

I have been reading for HOURS trying to catch up - got close but have to go to bed...

On July 16, Casey told the 911 operator it had been 31 days since she had seen Caylee - that puts us at the red letter June 15 again.

I think they (C & C) got in a fight on June 15. Casey took Caylee and moved out because she knew it was the only way to hurt Mom. She still wanted to party and couldn't humble herself enough to go crying back to mom to ask her to babysit so she could go play with her friends - so she left Caylee in the car. I think the heat got her, I am guessing around the 17th. I think Casey freaked and put her in the trunk.

I think the body started to decay. I really think Casey was hoping the situation would somehow right itself... and then it dawned on her that nothing was getting any better...

Someone posted a pic a while back - I think they asked if it was Tony in the pic - well - the pic was taken at Fusion on June 21. It was in the last thread. Check out her expression. I think she was in limbo in that picture - I think the baby was already gone.

On or around June 22, I belieive C and G were out of town. I think Casey borrowed a shovel from a neighbor and then attempted to bury her baby in her parents back yard. I believe she dug the area under the play house.

I think after she returned to her friends home she got scared that someone would find the body so within 24 hours, she returned to her parents house, got the body, put it in the trunk (dirty) broke in to the shed to get the gas and then drove away. She drove somewhere far way and is now certain there will not be evidence.

On the 24th, she talked to Jesse and pretended Caylee was still around. It had become apparent that people would be wondering.

I believe that initially she thought she would still be able to use the car but found the odor would not go away, so she parked it and returned to partying as quickly as possible.

These are all my opinions/idea's. Obviously.

JulieAnn -- this is probably very close to what the final story will be. She used Caylee as a pawn -- like so many people do. Using children to "get revenge."

I have always said that Casey didn't mean to kill her daughter. Something happened though under her watch that she was directly responsible for. If Caylee would have walked across a parking lot and gotten hit by a car, she would have called 911. If Casey had put Caylee in the car, then when partying -- she would try to cover it up.

[nursebeeme]

Good night OME! I am headed there soon too!

[OneLostGrl]

With this dx, will she be competent to stand trial if she killed Caylee?

yep she sure would!

[drip~drop]

I do not believe a cadaver dog would hit on urine from a living person... hold on...looking....~snip from another message board but also further searching this~snip~




Cadaver dogs will not alert to urine or anything like that. It has to be the two chemicals that appear only when a body is decaying"

Last thread I kept getting "server too busy.."
So, I went and did a couple of things, get back and the thread is closed. lol
Luckily I put this post on word. :)



where are my manners! Thank You nursie for all the work you did on your informative post!:blowkiss:
I keep reading and watching things over and over and it's making me goofy.

LE wants to know where Caylee is.

The public wants to know where Caylee is.

Casey cares about herself

Grandma is offically "gone" IMO

Lee is playing with Casey. Not sure anymore if he's helping or hindering. BUT---don't get close to him with a camera. He's scared of them. (according to his mommy)

Grandpa---I'm not sure. Considering he was a homocide detective, I'm thinking he's lost his skills?

all the above is my opinion(s).

[RR0004]

Good night everyone...

Nursebee good job on the update.

OME
Goodnight...oh, and OT...my son just got back from seeing TR up in Bearsville. I would still love to see that video.

[swa]

I'm impressed with Lee. I think he realizes that Casey is responsible. He's not going to go down with her in my opinion.

[CarrieSis]

Can anyone point me to information that explains when cadaverine and putrescine begin to accumulate and then to give off VOC's? I thought I had read 2-4 hours but could only access part of the discussion on a cache'd google page.

[Spring2]

Somewhere I have missed the gasoline conversation. Would someone mind recapping? Did she fill up twice in a short time? Or did she take gas from the shed? I couldn't find the actual discussion about it. Thank you in advance.

[Cubby]

Maybe i heard this wrong, i am on dial up and its taken so far 45 minutes to load this conversation between Casey and her brother.. but when they are talking about the Sim card, he starts to say to her about how the contact information is on the sim card.. and she says about how it can be saved onto the phone OR the sim card.. and how she says "i've thought about that too".. meaning she was thinking of ways to track this lady down, or ways to keep up with the many lies she's putting out there..? Did she purposely put this mysterious nanny into the phone itself and NOT onto the sim?? idk..

I think she is trying to throw everyone off with the various area codes.

link and written transcript here
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68096 post #9

hth

[swa]

I found this on Yahoo -- it explains the whole process very well:

First of all let's look at what happens to the human body at the time of
death and soon after. At the very moment of death the heart stops
beating and the lungs stop breathing. This means that the cells in the
body will no longer receive blood and oxygen. Since the blood is no
longer being pumped through the body it will drain from the blood vessels
at the top of the body and collect in the blood vessels on the lower part
of the body. The upper part of the body will become pale and the lower
part of the body will become dark. If the person is lying on their back,
the front of their body and face will be very pale or even grey while
their back will be much darker and look almost like it is bruised. This
is called lividity or liver mortis and is one of the first things that a
scientist will look at to try to determine when someone died and if they
were moved after death.

At this point most of the cells in the body are still not dead. While
the brain cells die in the first few minutes after the heart stops,
muscle cells can live for several hours and skin and bone cells can stay
alive for days! How is this possible? Well, the cells use a different
type of respiration than when the heart and lungs were working. While
the person was alive the cells used aerobic respiration (with oxygen),
but after death the cells continue to survive using what is called
anaerobic respiration (without oxygen). However, one of the by-products
of anaerobic respiration is lactic acid. Lactic acid eventually builds
up and causes the muscles to stiffen. This is the same thing that
happens to a person's legs when they run a long distance. The heart and
lungs can't keep up with the demand so the leg muscles start to use
anaerobic respiration. In a living person this lactic acid will
eventually be cleared out by the circulatory system, but in a dead body
this isn't possible so the entire body stiffens. This is called rigor
mortis. Rigor mortis usually starts about 3 hours after death and lasts
36 hours. Eventually all of the cells die and the body can no longer
fight of bacteria. The cells' own enzymes and the enzymes of bacteria
begin to cause the body to decompose and the muscles lose their
stiffness. Like liver mortis, rigor mortis is another tool that
scientists can use to determine the time of death.

OK. Now comes the actual process of decomposition, or breakdown and
decay of the body. Decomposition can be broken down into 5 steps:

1. Initial decay
2. Putrefaction
3. Black putrefaction
4. Butyric putrefaction
5. Dry decay

Let's look at each of these steps in more detail.

Step 1: Initial decay
Initial decay occurs from 0 to 3 days after death. Although the body
appears fresh from the outside, many things are going on inside the body
to contribute to the process of decomposition. The bacteria that are
normally inside the intestines of a living person begin to feed on the
contents of the intestine and the intestine itself. Eventually these
bacteria break out into the body cavity and start to digest other
organs. Since the intestine is no longer intact, the body's digestive
enzymes, which were kept safely inside the intestine and stomach, leak
out and spread through the body helping to break down more organs and
tissues. At the same time, enzymes inside individual cells leak out and
digest the cell and its connections with other cells.

Let's not forget about the insects! From the moment of death flies are
attracted to the smell of the decomposing body. Without the normal
defenses of a living body, these flies are able to lay their eggs around
wounds and other body openings (mouth, nose, eyes. etc.). Within 24
hours most of these eggs hatch and the larvae, or maggots, move into the
body to feed on the dead tissue.

Step 2: Putrefaction

Putrefaction occurs from 4 to 10 days after death. As the bacteria are
breaking down the tissues and cells they are also producing a lot of
gas. These gases include hydrogen sulfide, methane, cadaverine, and
putrescine. All of these gases really stink, but insects love the
smell. More and more flies start to show up along with beetles and
mites. The gases also cause the body to inflate forcing more fluids out
of the cells and blood vessels and into the body cavity. This provides
even more food for the bacteria and a nice warm living space for the
maggots.

Step 3: Black putrefaction

This stage occurs from 10 to 20 days after death. The bloated body
eventually collapses and the flesh has gotten creamy (like cottage
cheese). The exposed parts of the body have turned black and the body
really begins to stink. A lot of the fluids have now leaked out of the
body into the soil attracting more insects and mites. These insects and
mites will eventually consume most of the flesh on the body. Bacteria
are still at work also, and will consume the flesh if there are no
insects around. The temperature of the body also increases due to all of
the insect activity.

Step 4: Butyric fermentation

Butyric fermentation occurs from 20 to 50 days after death. All of the
remaining flesh on the body is removed during this time and the body
starts to dry out. It has a "cheesy" smell caused by butyric acid. This
smell attracts a bunch of new organisms to the body. Mold starts to grow
on the part of the body that is touching the ground and a lot of beetles
show up. Since the body is beginning to dry out maggots are no longer
able to eat the tough flesh. Beetles, however, are able to chew through
this tough material such as skin and ligaments.

Step 5: Dry decay

This stage occurs from 50 to 365 days after death. The body is now dry
and decays very slowly. Tineid moths and bacteria eventually eat the
person's hair, leaving nothing but bones. As long as there are no large
animals around to carry them away, the bones can remain almost
indefinitely.

That brings us to the end of the decomposition process. Most of these
steps depend a lot on the climate. Temperature and moisture and the
presence of insects will affect how long this whole process takes.
Decomposition will occur much faster in the summer than in the winter and
also will take longer in a body that is buried than a body that is left
exposed on the ground.

[RR0004]

Somewhere I have missed the gasoline conversation. Would someone mind recapping? Did she fill up twice in a short time? Or did she take gas from the shed? I couldn't find the actual discussion about it. Thank you in advance.
There was a theft at the Anthony's house that was just reported by the Sheriff's Dept. $50 worth of gasoline (and cans) were stolen on or about 6/22.

[txsvicki]

The presence of maggots in the abandoned vehicle makes me think that a body was in that car for awhile.

[SuziQ]

I don't speak their language -- but I can take a stab at:

Psycho.

Lol, ITA.

[Blink34]

Thanks to LadyBass and Nurse Be Me for the updates today.
What another coaster ride on this today, really want to find baby Caylee.
Send all our energy to it, and we will.

[Spring2]

There was a theft at the Anthony's house that was just reported by the Sheriff's Dept. $50 worth of gasoline (and cans) were stolen on or about 6/22.

Interesting. Thank you. Was there a report filed around that date or the family just now mentioned it? I'm sorry if this was talked about in detail.

[Blink34]

The presence of maggots in the abandoned vehicle makes me think that a body was in that car for awhile.

there were no maggots in the vehicle, there is no evidence the pizza was ever in it- GP said that was what it was, and showed LE their trash claiming it had been; a piece of evidence for me says they started trying to cover this up in about 15 minutes.

[RR0004]

I found this on Yahoo -- it explains the whole process very well:

First of all let's look at what happens to the human body at the time of
death and soon after. At the very moment of death the heart stops
beating and the lungs stop breathing. This means that the cells in the
body will no longer receive blood and oxygen. Since the blood is no
longer being pumped through the body it will drain from the blood vessels
at the top of the body and collect in the blood vessels on the lower part
of the body. The upper part of the body will become pale and the lower
part of the body will become dark. If the person is lying on their back,
the front of their body and face will be very pale or even grey while
their back will be much darker and look almost like it is bruised. This
is called lividity or liver mortis and is one of the first things that a
scientist will look at to try to determine when someone died and if they
were moved after death.

At this point most of the cells in the body are still not dead. While
the brain cells die in the first few minutes after the heart stops,
muscle cells can live for several hours and skin and bone cells can stay
alive for days! How is this possible? Well, the cells use a different
type of respiration than when the heart and lungs were working. While
the person was alive the cells used aerobic respiration (with oxygen),
but after death the cells continue to survive using what is called
anaerobic respiration (without oxygen). However, one of the by-products
of anaerobic respiration is lactic acid. Lactic acid eventually builds
up and causes the muscles to stiffen. This is the same thing that
happens to a person's legs when they run a long distance. The heart and
lungs can't keep up with the demand so the leg muscles start to use
anaerobic respiration. In a living person this lactic acid will
eventually be cleared out by the circulatory system, but in a dead body
this isn't possible so the entire body stiffens. This is called rigor
mortis. Rigor mortis usually starts about 3 hours after death and lasts
36 hours. Eventually all of the cells die and the body can no longer
fight of bacteria. The cells' own enzymes and the enzymes of bacteria
begin to cause the body to decompose and the muscles lose their
stiffness. Like liver mortis, rigor mortis is another tool that
scientists can use to determine the time of death.

OK. Now comes the actual process of decomposition, or breakdown and
decay of the body. Decomposition can be broken down into 5 steps:

1. Initial decay
2. Putrefaction
3. Black putrefaction
4. Butyric putrefaction
5. Dry decay

Let's look at each of these steps in more detail.

Step 1: Initial decay
Initial decay occurs from 0 to 3 days after death. Although the body
appears fresh from the outside, many things are going on inside the body
to contribute to the process of decomposition. The bacteria that are
normally inside the intestines of a living person begin to feed on the
contents of the intestine and the intestine itself. Eventually these
bacteria break out into the body cavity and start to digest other
organs. Since the intestine is no longer intact, the body's digestive
enzymes, which were kept safely inside the intestine and stomach, leak
out and spread through the body helping to break down more organs and
tissues. At the same time, enzymes inside individual cells leak out and
digest the cell and its connections with other cells.

Let's not forget about the insects! From the moment of death flies are
attracted to the smell of the decomposing body. Without the normal
defenses of a living body, these flies are able to lay their eggs around
wounds and other body openings (mouth, nose, eyes. etc.). Within 24
hours most of these eggs hatch and the larvae, or maggots, move into the
body to feed on the dead tissue.

Step 2: Putrefaction

Putrefaction occurs from 4 to 10 days after death. As the bacteria are
breaking down the tissues and cells they are also producing a lot of
gas. These gases include hydrogen sulfide, methane, cadaverine, and
putrescine. All of these gases really stink, but insects love the
smell. More and more flies start to show up along with beetles and
mites. The gases also cause the body to inflate forcing more fluids out
of the cells and blood vessels and into the body cavity. This provides
even more food for the bacteria and a nice warm living space for the
maggots.

Step 3: Black putrefaction

This stage occurs from 10 to 20 days after death. The bloated body
eventually collapses and the flesh has gotten creamy (like cottage
cheese). The exposed parts of the body have turned black and the body
really begins to stink. A lot of the fluids have now leaked out of the
body into the soil attracting more insects and mites. These insects and
mites will eventually consume most of the flesh on the body. Bacteria
are still at work also, and will consume the flesh if there are no
insects around. The temperature of the body also increases due to all of
the insect activity.

Step 4: Butyric fermentation

Butyric fermentation occurs from 20 to 50 days after death. All of the
remaining flesh on the body is removed during this time and the body
starts to dry out. It has a "cheesy" smell caused by butyric acid. This
smell attracts a bunch of new organisms to the body. Mold starts to grow
on the part of the body that is touching the ground and a lot of beetles
show up. Since the body is beginning to dry out maggots are no longer
able to eat the tough flesh. Beetles, however, are able to chew through
this tough material such as skin and ligaments.

Step 5: Dry decay

This stage occurs from 50 to 365 days after death. The body is now dry
and decays very slowly. Tineid moths and bacteria eventually eat the
person's hair, leaving nothing but bones. As long as there are no large
animals around to carry them away, the bones can remain almost
indefinitely.

That brings us to the end of the decomposition process. Most of these
steps depend a lot on the climate. Temperature and moisture and the
presence of insects will affect how long this whole process takes.
Decomposition will occur much faster in the summer than in the winter and
also will take longer in a body that is buried than a body that is left
exposed on the ground.
...and now I'm supposed to go to sleep?!? Ugh!! No, double ugh!!

Seriously, thanks for all the info.

[Blink34]

Interesting. Thank you. Was there a report filed around that date or the family just now mentioned it? I'm sorry if this was talked about in detail.
Report filed 10 am on 6/24

[liltigress]

Maybe i heard this wrong, i am on dial up and its taken so far 45 minutes to load this conversation between Casey and her brother.. but when they are talking about the Sim card, he starts to say to her about how the contact information is on the sim card.. and she says about how it can be saved onto the phone OR the sim card.. and how she says "i've thought about that too".. meaning she was thinking of ways to track this lady down, or ways to keep up with the many lies she's putting out there..? Did she purposely put this mysterious nanny into the phone itself and NOT onto the sim?? idk..

This possibly meaning, she has already thought about how to cover her tracks! She's already contemplating how she can manipulate her reasons for not having Zenaida's phone number in her phone.

Evil lies...

[swa]

This possibly meaning, she has already thought about how to cover her tracks! She's already contemplating how she can manipulate her reasons for not having Zenaida's phone number in her phone.

Evil lies...

Her statement alone about receiving a phone call from a "Private Number" shows this has all been rehearsed. She seems to be able produce an answer for everything... except for one problem...... LE knows she is lying ...

[SuziQ]

yep she sure would!

Yep, people with personality disorders know what they are doing, they just don't care. I'm not aware of any legal protection for that. An expert can weigh in if I'm wrong.

[RR0004]

Interesting. Thank you. Was there a report filed around that date or the family just now mentioned it? I'm sorry if this was talked about in detail.
Yes, a report was filed on the 24th and it was made public today through LE...probably at the request of media for public records. BUT, GM and GP obviously never thought to mention it themselves. If you remember, GM had a lengthy discussion about the shed and how no one (aka Casey) had a key.

[RR0004]

Thanks to LadyBass and Nurse Be Me for the updates today.
What another coaster ride on this today, really want to find baby Caylee.
Send all our energy to it, and we will.
Night Blink!!

[nursebeeme]

With this dx, will she be competent to stand trial if she killed Caylee? that dx was just my speculation...and not being in the legal system I have no idea. As per a personality disorder, I do not believe that will interrupt anything.....but not sure

[CheckDaFacts]

Hi everyone, the more I try to catch up on brd the faster I fall 3 pgs behind.

Same lies just embellished and slightly polished!
Casey said Juliette moved a few mths ago but yet she said, Jeff and Zanny Nanny were the only ones who knew about Caylee missing? Wonder how she kept up with Juliette?

Jeff referred Zanny to Casey but has been gone from Universal since 2002. So she knew Jeff outside of Universal? In 2002 Casey was approx. 14yrs old if I added right, Blu brought her age up as well. Interesting? How old is Jeff? Jeff would had to refer Nanny in 05-06 After Caylee was born. In 06 Casey was no longer at Universal. Of course Jeff is no where to be found.

Juliette's address might be on a piece of paper in one of her bags @ hm? Which home?

Sure you all noticed once again, Casey did not inquire on how the search was going for Caylee!

Casey's voice high/giddy/upbeat, sounds like she is on med's. Happy attention is back on her.

Hope LE has Sim card, important part of conversation.

Casey allegedly kept contact with zanny thru text messages, important.

Gut + feelings???? Caylee close.

Could Caylee have died of an accidental over dose by negligent mother Casey. Either via of getting a hold of something? Death covered up?
Or pre-meditated. Was something placed in her sippy cup to put her down?
Casey will not break, she has no conscious. She will slip up.
Just my opinion.

[RR0004]

Oops, sorry guys for not snipping that excellent bedtime reading material!

[Nicole_LongIsland]

underlying Axis II bpd (which is genetically linked) with an Axis I aggressive narcisscistic personality disorder IMHOO.......again...IMHOO....and I am just a bsn nurse working currently working on my advanced practice fnp degree (with 15 years nursing in critical care areas and 5 years of nursing assistant years under the belt just to show my background and where my assessment skills are coming from)


We seem to be on the same page. My guess is that Cindy suffers from Axis II Cluster B, narcissistic Personality Disorder with Histrionic and Borderline traits / features. FWIW, most borderlines daughters (85% are female) have a borderline mother. As for Casey, I would definitely say she has a borderline personality disorder with traits / features of a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I would say for Axis I both Casey and Cindy struggle with dysthmia as well as "double depression."

[swa]

What was George doing with $50 in gas? That's about 12.5 gallons of gas.... Did he mow the yard a lot?

[RR0004]

Yep, people with personality disorders know what they are doing, they just don't care. I'm not aware of any legal protection for that. An expert can weigh in if I'm wrong.
When most people think psychopaths or sociopaths they also often think-serial killers. We know what they do to them, now don't we?

[SuziQ]

Interesting. Thank you. Was there a report filed around that date or the family just now mentioned it? I'm sorry if this was talked about in detail.

I believe it was reported on June 24th. The OC sheriffs department just posted it online today.

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f07.28.08_burg lary.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

[nursebeeme]

Goodnight...oh, and OT...my son just got back from seeing TR up in Bearsville. I would still love to see that video.goodnight RR!

[Spring2]

Thank you for your responses.

One thing I was wanting clarification on....were Cindy and George on vacation some time in June? Is that when this shovel event happened? If they were....are there dates for that? Thank you again. I will try to keep up better! Y'all are fast :)

[RR0004]

What was George doing with $50 in gas? That's about 12.5 gallons of gas.... Did he mow the yard a lot?
How I can laugh now is beyond me!! Someone mentioned that people have been stockpiling gasoline at cheaper rates. Just reporting what was posted!!

[Nicole_LongIsland]

With this dx, will she be competent to stand trial if she killed Caylee?

Without a doubt she will have no problem being found sane. That is because Casey may suffer from these Personality Disoders, however, there does not seem to be any indication of psychosis.

[SuziQ]

there were no maggots in the vehicle, there is no evidence the pizza was ever in it- GP said that was what it was, and showed LE their trash claiming it had been; a piece of evidence for me says they started trying to cover this up in about 15 minutes.

And didn't the detective at the bond hearing testified that he spoke by phone to Gpa about the garbage before going and picking up the trash? So Gpa knew they were on their way.

[Leila]

I think the whole family should stop any contact, refuse to pay any bail, and prosecute the stolen charge card amount if possible. They should arrange search parties to search areas where Casey may have put Caylee, quit talking to the media, and let LE handle getting to the truth instead of falling for the cons and lies of an experienced psychopath.

What you've described is the logical approach, and what should have been pursued from the beginning.

At this point, Cindy and George are enabling Casey to continue her lies.

[nursebeeme]

Thanks to LadyBass and Nurse Be Me for the updates today.
What another coaster ride on this today, really want to find baby Caylee.
Send all our energy to it, and we will. night blinky

[RR0004]

goodnight RR!
Not so fast NB...I was just saying nite to OME. I still have toilets to clean. Geez, I've been saying that all day. There's always manana!!

[fabvab]

underlying Axis II bpd (which is genetically linked) with an Axis I aggressive narcisscistic personality disorder IMHOO.......again...IMHOO....and I am just a bsn nurse working currently working on my advanced practice fnp degree (with 15 years nursing in critical care areas and 5 years of nursing assistant years under the belt just to show my background and where my assessment skills are coming from)

I didn't think there was a a genetic model of BPD...just more of a pre-existing biological vulnerability to the disorder. Bipolar is genetically linked.

Not wanting to argue or anything...I am a counselor (work with children)...but I learned most about it when I dated a borderline (not good) A bpd can be high-functioning or low-functioning and don't usually cooperate well with therapy.

btw...wasn't Diane Downs a bpd?

Whatever Casey's dx is all that alcohol/partying was not a good mix at all.

[SuziQ]

When most people think psychopaths or sociopaths they also often think-serial killers. We know what they do to them, now don't we?

I've been running down in my mind all the psychopathic, sociopathic, narcissistic killers that have been convicted. And the only one I can recall that's given a confession is Susan Smith. Well there is Gacy, but he was all in that notoriety bit. All the others are still denying their crimes or have taken it to their grave (Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy).

This isn't good odds when you consider whether Casey will confess or not. What made Susan Smith different?

[Spring2]

I believe it was reported on June 24th. The OC sheriffs department just posted it online today.

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f07.28.08_burg lary.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

LE is being so methodical. Casey may think she is running the show, but law enforcement is way ahead of her! How long before she cries she is being mistreated? Especially knowing she has an "audience."

[CheckDaFacts]

Maybe Jeff was letting her know LE has her Sim. Now is the time, fess up, you know you can speak without your attorney. She never said she was without a phone. Blackjack is made by Samsung. Odd's are since she was saving everything to sim due to blackjack phone issue's, she had sim in her other phone. Her other phone more than likly was also a text friendly phone. If sim crd was not in her phone, it was stashed/destroyed before LE arrived at tony's. Her so called central location.

If family the is not paying for the retainer of Jose Baez the atty. It's possible if she was involved with selling dope or part of a initiation into gangland life style, her atty is paid via the gang.

[liltigress]

Now we're gettin down to biness! I love to hear the professional point of view.

[txsvicki]

From my readings there is little evidence to support a genetic model of BPD...it is thought to be more of a pre-existing biological vulnerability to the disorder. Bipolar is genetically linked.

Not wanting to argue or anything...I am a counselor (work with children)...but I learned most about it when I dated a borderline (not good) btw...a borderline person can be high-functioning...or low-functioning and they don't usually cooperate well with therapy.


What is your opinion of for example, a mother having cyclothymic disorder and the next generation, her child, having full blown BPD? I was reading that this can be passed down in this order genetically from one generation to the next.

[liltigress]

Maybe Jeff was letting her know LE has her Sim. Now is the time, fess up, you know you can speak without your attorney. She never said she was without a phone. Blackjack is made by Samsung. Odd's are since she was saving everything to sim due to blackjack phone issue's, she had sim in her other phone. Her other phone more than likly was also a text friendly phone. If sim crd was not in her phone, it was stashed/destroyed before LE arrived at tony's. Her so called central location.

If family the is not paying for the retainer of Jose Baez the atty. It's possible if she was involved with selling dope or part of a initiation into gangland life style, her atty is paid via the gang.

From what I gathered, there was only 1 sim card. She traded it out in the 2 different phones. The blackjack that she can't seem to remember where she lost it, probably at universal when it fell out of her pocket, but, oh yeah, the sim fell out. That's how she explains that she was able to put it in the other phone. Apparently, her newest phone was the blackjack but it wouldn't keep charge.

Both phones had the same number, which means she was using the 1 sim card back and forth in the phones.

[SuziQ]

LE is being so methodical. Casey may think she is running the show, but law enforcement is way ahead of her! How long before she cries she is being mistreated? Especially knowing she has an "audience."

Well there is that video of her parents visit to her that hasn't been released yet. I bet we see alot of poor me in that one.

[RR0004]

Thank you for your responses.

One thing I was wanting clarification on....were Cindy and George on vacation some time in June? Is that when this shovel event happened? If they were....are there dates for that? Thank you again. I will try to keep up better! Y'all are fast :)
I've asked the same question. I thought GM/GP were back from vacation by June 8th...cause GM initially thought that was the last time she saw Caylee. It was never established exactly "where" they went IIRC. The neighbor just knew it was sometime in June when Casey borrowed the shovel. Her attorney indicated that Casey was still living in the house when she borrowed it. How he knows that and what date that might be is anyone's guess!

[Spring2]

Now we're gettin down to biness! I love to hear the professional point of view.

Me TOO!

[SuziQ]

Now we're gettin down to biness! I love to hear the professional point of view.

Me too! I love to know what makes people tick.

[nursebeeme]

Not so fast NB...I was just saying nite to OME. I still have toilets to clean. Geez, I've been saying that all day. There's always manana!!rr you rock dude!:bananalama::bananalama:

[RR0004]

I've been running down in my mind all the psychopathic, sociopathic, narcissistic killers that have been convicted. And the only one I can recall that's given a confession is Susan Smith. Well there is Gacy, but he was all in that notoriety bit. All the others are still denying their crimes or have taken it to their grave (Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy).

This isn't good odds when you consider whether Casey will confess or not. What made Susan Smith different?
A sociopath will generally deny any wrong doing...or will assign blame elsewhere. Good question about Susan Smith. I wish I had the answer.

[RR0004]

I've been running down in my mind all the psychopathic, sociopathic, narcissistic killers that have been convicted. And the only one I can recall that's given a confession is Susan Smith. Well there is Gacy, but he was all in that notoriety bit. All the others are still denying their crimes or have taken it to their grave (Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy).

This isn't good odds when you consider whether Casey will confess or not. What made Susan Smith different?
PS- that's why I said what I did...she'll just keep us dancing!!

[Spring2]

From what I gathered, there was only 1 sim card. She traded it out in the 2 different phones. The blackjack that she can't seem to remember where she lost it, probably at universal when it fell out of her pocket, but, oh yeah, the sim fell out. That's how she explains that she was able to put it in the other phone. Apparently, her newest phone was the blackjack but it wouldn't keep charge.

Both phones had the same number, which means she was using the 1 sim card back and forth in the phones.

Those darn sim cards. They just fall out so easily :rolleyes: Especially when they are underneath a battery and have a cover.

[CheckDaFacts]

Yes I know she retained the same Sim, first she lost blackjack then maybe go ck one of my bags at hm. This is why Baez wants a gag order. If we can see the last video visit, especially between her and Lee we will end up with more info no doubt. Lee's explanation was on the line of a "I'm sorry if it comes back at you." Not his quote, just my feeling. As he told her at the very beginning of the call. Before anything dies, this is not a good situation and he was not talking about his cell battery life.
Keep talking Casey.

[nursebeeme]

From my readings there is little evidence to support a genetic model of BPD...it is thought to be more of a pre-existing biological vulnerability to the disorder. Bipolar is genetically linked.

Not wanting to argue or anything...I am a counselor (work with children)...but I learned most about it when I dated a borderline (not good) A bpd can be high-functioning or low-functioning and don't usually cooperate well with therapy.

btw...wasn't Diane Downs a bpd?

Whatever Casey's dx is all that alcohol/partying was not a good mix at all. there is little clinical evidence as per the part of the mother (the wonderful and fully disclosing Cindy LOL), to suggest a biological bpd connection, but the behavior in both, at least, should indicate further testing in this area imhoo. Cindy certainly displays enough behaviors to warrant a full psychological workup imhoo and if, at that time, she were dxd as bipolar it could explain, at least in part, some of the actions of the daughter. It is rather hard, if not impossible, to figure out what goes on in a mind from the third person....but, as fellow health care professionals, wouldn't you love to be in on that assessment and have some more insight into this extremely eff'ed up personality cluster that seems to have made it's way and found a warm hidey~hole in the family from Orlando called Anthony? I know I sure would!

[Mygirlsadie]

OMG you said 'biness.. LMAO..I say that allllll the time. Cracks me up! But i'm with you on the professional point of view I love to hear it as well and I am ready for some facts some truths..i'm about sick of 'theories'.





Now we're gettin down to biness! I love to hear the professional point of view.

[Nicole_LongIsland]

From my readings there is little evidence to support a genetic model of BPD...it is thought to be more of a pre-existing biological vulnerability to the disorder. Bipolar is genetically linked.

Not wanting to argue or anything...I am a counselor (work with children)...but I learned most about it when I dated a borderline (not good) A bpd can be high-functioning or low-functioning and don't usually cooperate well with therapy.

btw...wasn't Diane Downs a bpd?

Whatever Casey's dx is all that alcohol/partying was not a good mix at all.


BPD, in the context I am using it, is not bipolar disorder; it is borderline personality disorder. Current research shows that borderline personality disorder is *both* environmental and well as possibly genetic. For example, most borderlines think in black and white terms: there is no room for gray. Imo, Casey displayed this all or nothing me versus them behavior in her first call to her parents and to Lee and Christine. She said in the call that it was a huge waste of her time. To me that was evident that black and white thinking is something Casey engages in. I do think she is a high functioning borderline due to her ease in manipulating people. Some mental health professionals also classify borderline personality disorder as an individual (85% female) are chameleon like in their daily behaviors and moreover, in their relationships.

ETA: Both Cindy and Casey seem to meet all the DSM-IV criteria for Histrionic Personality Disorder. In the big picture, being histrionic compared to borderline or narcissistic is like peeing in the ocean:)

[RR0004]

Maybe Jeff was letting her know LE has her Sim. Now is the time, fess up, you know you can speak without your attorney. She never said she was without a phone. Blackjack is made by Samsung. Odd's are since she was saving everything to sim due to blackjack phone issue's, she had sim in her other phone. Her other phone more than likly was also a text friendly phone. If sim crd was not in her phone, it was stashed/destroyed before LE arrived at tony's. Her so called central location.

If family the is not paying for the retainer of Jose Baez the atty. It's possible if she was involved with selling dope or part of a initiation into gangland life style, her atty is paid via the gang.
I think you meant to say Lee.
How is it that Casey just HAPPENS to go out and buy a new phone while her daughter is missing and she supposedly has no means of support (except for the money she's stolen) ? This girl has big brass ones if you ask me. AND if you believe that the "babysitter" has kidnapped your daughter why wouldn't you be sure to write down ALL known phone numbers in case something happens while you're switching over your phone!!!

[liltigress]

Those darn sim cards. They just fall out so easily :rolleyes: Especially when they are underneath a battery and have a cover.

:confused: That's just dumb isn't it? I was listening to that and thinking GET OUT! NO way did she just say that! lol

She's losing her charm.

[nursebeeme]

I've been running down in my mind all the psychopathic, sociopathic, narcissistic killers that have been convicted. And the only one I can recall that's given a confession is Susan Smith. Well there is Gacy, but he was all in that notoriety bit. All the others are still denying their crimes or have taken it to their grave (Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy).

This isn't good odds when you consider whether Casey will confess or not. What made Susan Smith different?She was cornered. That is what, imhoo, will bring this case to a close with case~y (play on words...dang...I am having a blink~karma moment...which is all good btw)

[RR0004]

Maybe Jeff was letting her know LE has her Sim. Now is the time, fess up, you know you can speak without your attorney. She never said she was without a phone. Blackjack is made by Samsung. Odd's are since she was saving everything to sim due to blackjack phone issue's, she had sim in her other phone. Her other phone more than likly was also a text friendly phone. If sim crd was not in her phone, it was stashed/destroyed before LE arrived at tony's. Her so called central location.

If family the is not paying for the retainer of Jose Baez the atty. It's possible if she was involved with selling dope or part of a initiation into gangland life style, her atty is paid via the gang.
...or maybe he's doing it pro bono for all the GOOD publicity it's giving him!

[Spring2]

there is little clinical evidence as per the part of the mother (the wonderful and fully disclosing Cindy LOL), to suggest a biological bpd connection, but the behavior in both, at least, should indicate further testing in this area imhoo. Cindy certainly displays enough behaviors to warrant a full psychological workup imhoo and if, at that time, she were dxd as bipolar it could explain, at least in part, some of the actions of the daughter. It is rather hard, if not impossible, to figure out what goes on in a mind from the third person....but, as fellow health care professionals, wouldn't you love to be in on that assessment and have some more insight into this extremely eff'ed up personality cluster that seems to have made it's way and found a warm hidey~hole in the family from Orlando called Anthony? I know I sure would!

What would you expect she would do if her family just all of a sudden quit visiting or taking her calls?

What would happen if they stopped the enabling cold turkey?

[nursebeeme]

LE is being so methodical. Casey may think she is running the show, but law enforcement is way ahead of her! How long before she cries she is being mistreated? Especially knowing she has an "audience."and how long before a bipolar~hypersexual pass is made at a prison guard and it is reported. My bet is in on this one!:eek:

[liltigress]

Who needs a shovel when their mouths are digging just fine, right?

[Mygirlsadie]

With Susan Smith I think it was because LE was grilling her. Why on earth LE isn't allowed to grill Casey just blows my mind. I don't think there should be a law like this. Anyone with nothing to hide would be BEGGING for LE to talk to them to help them. This family (minus bro.Lee) seem to be a little odd to me. Maybe like they feel guilty about something. Not anything about Caylee because I don't think they are involved but like some deep dark family secret or something..it's just weird.





A sociopath will generally deny any wrong



doing...or will assign blame elsewhere. Good question about Susan Smith. I wish I had the answer.

[fabvab]

What is your opinion of for example, a mother having cyclothymic disorder and the next generation, her child, having full blown BPD? I was reading that this can be passed down in this order genetically from one generation to the next.

:waitasec: Take that biological vulnerability for bpd...throw in psychotraumatic stress...coupled with lots of dysfunctional family interactions.

[CheckDaFacts]

:waitasec:This may be some what off the wall question/thought. Since Cindy said Casey had no past history of unstability aka mental health issue's, could Cindy have ever assisted her daughter in self medicating? It would not be the 1st time. In my opinion the relationship between these two, is like two peas in a pod. Just a thought nothing more.

[SuziQ]

PS- that's why I said what I did...she'll just keep us dancing!!

Unless for some odd reason she decides to become chatty. I don't think we'll ever hear what happened from her.

[liltigress]

and how long before a bipolar~hypersexual pass is made at a prison guard and it is reported. My bet is in on this one!:eek:

Did ya not get that impression when we first saw that smirky, devious smile from day one of walking in handcuffs?

[Angelray]

I dont know a lot about cell phones so can someone help here. I know this isnt very clear but look carefully at this phone and see if you know what kind of phone this is.
I have a date for this phone pic... Is this the missing phone?

[Nicole_LongIsland]

What would you expect she would do if her family just all of a sudden quit visiting or taking her calls?

What would happen if they stopped the enabling cold turkey?

Casey would perceive it as a narcissirtc injury or in simple terms, emotional and physical abandonment.

[fabvab]

and how long before a bipolar~hypersexual pass is made at a prison guard and it is reported. My bet is in on this one!:eek:
If you're correct...then my bet is that she (and Cindy and lawyer) will be crying rape.:behindbar

[Leila]

Yup...enough pussyfooting around this crazy girl!! To h*ll with worrying how she'll respond. Trust me she'll keep us dancing forever.

Ever since this case became news, I've wondered what would have happened if Casey hadn't abandoned the car, which resulted in it being towed to an impound yard and her parents notified, which in turn allowed them to find Casey? How long would this situation been allowed to go on? :eek:

[CheckDaFacts]

...or maybe he's doing it pro bono for all the GOOD publicity it's giving him!

It's all a big maybe lol