Cindy's Inconsistencies

[SeriouslySearching]

Are there discrepancies in the family statements regarding the disappearance of Caylee? Please list them here so we can decifer what is actually being said and figure out what the facts are about the disappearance of Caylee Marie Anthony.

[SeriouslySearching]

Inconsistent statement by Cindy:

Today in the court hearing, LE was clear that Cindy Anthony made conflicting statements regarding the last time she was known to be with Caylee, the grandaughter. She stated to LE in her initial statement that she last saw Caylee on or about June 8th or 9th. The Detective confronted her on July 21, 2008 with information that a video of Caylee had been made (admittedly by Cindy) on Father's Day, June 15th, at the assisted living center where her father resides.

[SeriouslySearching]

Lie #2 from Cindy Anthony which came out in court today:

Cindy had emphatically told the press that Caylee's father died in a car accident and she could not remember his name, but was sure of it because she had seen the obituary.

Today, she stated under oath that she believed that Jesse Grund was Caylee's biological father and she also said that his family had taken care of Caylee a few times.

[gitana1]

At the bond hearing, Cindy keeps saying she was in constant contact with Casey after June 15, 2008 and that until July 15, 2008, she had no reason to ask Casey during that time where Caylee was because she knew where she was, with Casey. But, what about a myspace message that she posted, I believe the date was July 3, 2008, in which she stated that Caylee was missing and something to the effect of jealousy being the cause of Caylee being kept from her by her daughter? I am mistaken here? Was the date issue ever resolved with when that message was actually posted? Seems like a discrepancy.

[SeriouslySearching]

Can't have it both ways: Cindy Anthony said her daughter "has her reasons why she just can't blurt out the whole story."

"Casey has been trying to tell the police in her own way what she can tell them and the only unfortunate thing is, you know, they want a clear picture," Cindy Anthony told FOX News on Monday. "There's no clear picture. Casey has her reasons why she just can't blurt out the whole story, so she's been honest with them for what she can be honest with."

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They have previously said that almost nothing Anthony has told them about her child's disappearance has checked out to be true. They haven't even been able to get information about the child's father, who Anthony has said is dead, Melich testified.

Also at Tuesday's hearing — held to argue over whether or not to release Casey from jail — the child's grandmother said her daughter is a good mom and hasn't committed a crime but has been dishonest before and has had trouble keeping jobs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388202,00.html

[bookbakery]

[quote=SeriouslySearching;2408090]Can't have it both ways: Cindy Anthony said her daughter "has her reasons why she just can't blurt out the whole story."

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Like Mother, Like Daughter. Both (Cindy & Casey) are chronic liars. Can't believe what either one of them says. :mad:

[Hailiejade77]

Cindy has said in interviews that Casey only had 1/2 credit to go before she graduated HS.

But in the bond hearing she kept saying after Casey's graduation.

[SuziQ]

Inconsistencies

http://www.local6.com/news/16983738/detail.html

(snip)
"So, you call 911 and say arrest my daughter, my car is stolen, my granddaughter is missing, her car smells like decomposition, your daughter has lied to you and the cops and you think Caylee is in good hands?" Local 6's Mike DeForest asked.

"I called 911 because I didn't know where Caylee was at -- that is a fact," Cindy Anthony said. "The car came home smelling terrible but we knew why it was."

Cindy Anthony also apparently contradicted what she told prosecutors at a hearing this week concerning her daughter's whereabouts during the time Caylee was missing.

"I need to find (Caylee)," Cindy Anthony said on a 911 call.

"Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?" the 911 operator said.

"The baby sitter took her a month ago," Anthony said. "I told you my daughter's been missing for a month. I just found her today but I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself."

However, during this week's bond hearing, Cindy Anthony said she had been in contact with Casey.

"From June 16 to July 15, did you have any contact with Casey?" a prosecutor asked at the hearing.

"Everyday," Cindy Anthony said. "We called each other. We left voice messages. She'd text me. There was contact everyday."

[absolut_alexis]

During the bond hearing (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US), Cindy said there was a sitter who came to the house.

the pros. asks about where Caylee was starting Oct 2005, when Casey went back to work:

CA: At first when she was working, her best friend Lauren would come to the house.
pros: and this friend Lauren, she was the consistent babysitter?
CA: yes, she was the consistent babysitter.

Yet Jesse's dad says, "If you read my blog, Caylee was here almost every day of the first ten months of her life (http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=Websleuths&msg=117.5&search=y). We all fell in love with her. This is personal for all of us."

[Patience]

'Blame Yourself For Telling Lies,' Daughter Told In Jailhouse Call
http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html

During one of the calls, Cindy Anthony said her daughter's car smelled like a dead body -- mentioning it three separate times to the 911 dispatcher.

"There is something wrong, I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car," Cindy Anthony said.


However, days later she said the smell from the car was rotting food.


Cindy Anthony also apparently contradicted what she told prosecutors at a hearing this week concerning her daughter's whereabouts during the time Caylee was missing.


"I told you my daughter's been missing for a month," Anthony said in the 911 call. "I just found her today but I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself."


However, something different was said during this week's bond hearing.


"From June 16 to July 15, did you have any contact with Casey?" a prosecutor asked at the hearing.


"Everyday," Cindy Anthony said. "We called each other. We left voice messages. She'd text me. There was contact everyday."

[CheckDaFacts]

'Blame Yourself For Telling Lies,' Daughter Told In Jailhouse Call
http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html

During one of the calls, Cindy Anthony said her daughter's car smelled like a dead body -- mentioning it three separate times to the 911 dispatcher.

"There is something wrong, I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car," Cindy Anthony said.


However, days later she said the smell from the car was rotting food.


Cindy Anthony also apparently contradicted what she told prosecutors at a hearing this week concerning her daughter's whereabouts during the time Caylee was missing.


"I told you my daughter's been missing for a month," Anthony said in the 911 call. "I just found her today but I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself."


However, something different was said during this week's bond hearing.


"From June 16 to July 15, did you have any contact with Casey?" a prosecutor asked at the hearing.


"Everyday," Cindy Anthony said. "We called each other. We left voice messages. She'd text me. There was contact everyday."

You are so on top :clap::clap: I look for your references thank U!!!

[Patience]

You are so on top :clap::clap: I look for your references thank U!!!

Who me? oh, well thank you, I have been taught and inspired by the members here on how to post the appropriate info but am not always so on top:crazy:, but thanks and I'll keep on, keeping on for little Caylee Marie Anthony, whereever she may be.

[ElizaAvalon]

I hesitate to use the words "Cindy's Lies" because I do not believe she is involved in her granddaughter's disappearance, but she's not consistent in her statements and actions.

From this report on July 18th:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-caylee-anthony-080718-ht,0,5928334.story?page=2

In early June, Casey Anthony told her mother she was being sent to Tampa (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/us/florida/hillsborough-county/tampa-PLGEO100100404010000.topic) for work and would be back in a few days. Later, she said she was going on a "mini-vacation" with friends and taking Caylee with her. Cindy Anthony never thought much of it.

<snip>

"I had no reason to believe they weren't where they were supposed to be," Cindy Anthony said. "I don't know why she fabricated this."

Cindy's myspace:
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Inconsistencies:

Casey/Caylee's planned vs. unplanned departure from Anthony home:
1) Myspace: The daughter <snip> leaves without warning and Where did she go?
vs
Statement: Casey Anthony told her mother she was being sent to Tampa (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/us/florida/hillsborough-county/tampa-PLGEO100100404010000.topic) for work and would be back in a few days. Later, she said she was going on a "mini-vacation" with friends and taking Caylee with her. <snip> "I had no reason to believe they weren't where they were supposed to be," Cindy Anthony said.

Why does Cindy tell reporters that Casey left for a vacation that she knew about yet writes on myspace that Caylee left without warning?

I think they left without warning, after some "drama" that Casey wrote about on someone's facebook 9 days after the 15th of June:

Casey Anthony (http://www.facebook.com/s.php?k=100000080&id=508228238) (Orlando, FL) wrote at 2:40pm on June 24th, 2008 she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven't even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i'll fill ya in later on.

Knowledge of Casey/Caylee's whereabouts vs. not knowing where they were:
2) Myspace: Where did she go?
vs
Statement: "I had no reason to believe they weren't where they were supposed to be," Cindy Anthony said.

Does she know where they went? Or doesn't she? She can't decide.

Cindy's mood: Upset vs. Indifferent:
3) Myspace on 7/3:
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
vs.
Statement on 7/18:
...she said she was going on a "mini-vacation" with friends and taking Caylee with her. Cindy Anthony never thought much of it.

Was she distraught or whas she not thinking much about it?

I'll go with distraught.

Knowledge of lack of job vs. believing Casey has a job:
4) Cindy implies she believes her daughter has a job in her statement: Casey Anthony told her mother she was being sent to Tampa (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/us/florida/hillsborough-county/tampa-PLGEO100100404010000.topic) for work and would be back in a few days.
vs.
myspace: No money, no future.

If she had a job, one would think she had money from the job and possibly a future? Did Cindy know or not know that Casey didn't have a job?

[AlwaysShocked]

Every time I see her speak I keep thinking "What exactly is it that this woman is trying to hide?" And I don't think she had anything to do with the child's disappearance either.

But she is hiding something. More lies told by the daughter? Doesn't want the daughter to look any worse than she already does? What??

Is anyone but me getting this sense from Cindy?

[KR2tonenow]

Cindy is in denial. The 911 calls say it all.

[Straitfan]

It seems like it is more about Casey's past, what happened that caused Casey to leave, I feel Cindy doesn't want all of that known as I feel she still wants to hold out hope that Caylee is out there somewhere alive. The fact she didn't see Caylee during that time leads me to believe Cindy and Casey may have had a MAJOR disagreement. Why would Casey leave Caylee w/ other people when it appears she could have just left her w/grandparents?? I think Cindy could have told her to get out of the house due to lying, money etc and know has guilt feelings since Caylee is missing..

[fran]

Cindy is in denial. The 911 calls say it all.

I just caught the tail end of the segment on the O'Reilly factor with Geraldo. Geraldo has been in Florida and talked to Cindy.

It's Geraldo's opinion that the ONLY time Cindy has really told the truth was the 911 call. He said those were utterences said (not sure exact words) in a moment of excited urgency. He thinks since that time, she has NOT been truthful.

I agree. Geraldo said Cindy's statement of the odor in the car was the LAST truthful words she spoke.

JMHO
fran

PS..Oh, yeah, I agree...fran

[Chanler]

I just caught the tail end of the segment on the O'Reilly factor with Geraldo. Geraldo has been in Florida and talked to Cindy.

It's Geraldo's opinion that the ONLY time Cindy has really told the truth was the 911 call. He said those were utterences said (not sure exact words) in a moment of excited urgency. He thinks since that time, she has NOT been truthful.

I agree. Geraldo said Cindy's statement of the odor in the car was the LAST truthful words she spoke.

JMHO
fran

PS..Oh, yeah, I agree...fran

Hi, Fran; I think that strikes a chord of truth. In the 911 calls, Cindy is speaking emotionally to the police. In her media appearances, she is attempting (very badly) to present herself as a protective mother. She's in way over her head and can't even maintain coherency; I wouldn't be surprised if she can't remember what she has already said.

[ElizaAvalon]

I agree with Geraldo (not that I want to!) - Cindy's last truths were in those 911 phone calls.

[JBean]

Death stench:

Cindy states that the smell came from pizza. http://www.wftv.com/news/17102415/detail.html

No, wait. It was a dead squirrel. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,5106260.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-caylee-marie-anthony-072508,0,5106260.story)

Hmmm....maybe it was roadkill. http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

The shovel:

Every 22-year-old party-girl digs up bamboo...that's the most logical explanation for what she did with the shovel while her daughter was missing. http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2...ta-transcript/ (http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/)

The party-girl photos.

Don't be silly...she didn't party while her daughter was missing! Those party-girl photos are from when she was pregnant with the child. http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

Paternity:

Like most young mothers, our daughter is raising her son without assistance from the male parental unit, because he started another family in another state and then died in an accident, and we've known he was dead "for years," even though Casey tried to pin paternity on Jesse Grund for the first year of Caylee's life. http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2...ta-transcript/ (http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

Cadaver Dogs:

Those silly mutts don't know what they're doing. They were inconsistent in their hits. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

The letter:

When she's had a few moments of quote-rec-time, Casey penned a letter and gave it to her attorney, No Way Jose. But No Way Jose said that the letter thing is "absurd," and he's received no such letter. http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

Jailhouse sources have since revealed that the quote-rec-time musings of Casey Anthony looked something like this:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7861/caseyletterdg9.gif

(The "letter" above is satire, and created by my own hand. Sorry if it angers anyone.)
carrying posts from the thread I started in error as there is already one started.

[websurfer]

I agree with Geraldo (not that I want to!) - Cindy's last truths were in those 911 phone calls.


Once an attorney stepped in

well..shall we say

Clam Family ?

[Beyond Belief]

this may or may not belong here, but a question i was wondering about.
In the beginning, sorry, don't have the reference. It was said that the grandparents would pay for everything for Caylee, except Casey had to earn her own entertainment money.
So my question is: To whom did the grandparents make babysitting payments too.? And why wasn't anyone interested in enrolling an almost 3 year old in a preschool for the fall?

[Parker]

Since this thread is dedicated to insconsistent statements made by the Anthony family (namely Cindy) I thought this would be the proper place to discuss what I am about to say.

Now, before anyone flames me, let me make it clear that, in my opinion, Casey Anthony did kill Caylee (and I don't believe it was an accident) and I am not defending Cindy Anthony at all.

But, if you have children, you know how much you love them and how much of yourself you try to install in them as they grow. Now, imagine for one terrible moment that the child you have loved, nurtured and watched grow into an adult has done something unspeakable. Something in your worst dreams you couldn't imagine...

None of us are living in Cindy's shoes (or George's for that matter) - what shock and horror they must be feeling right now. Most of us, I pray, will never find ourselves in that situation so I don't think we can honestly say how 'we' would react in that situation.

I have always felt that family's in this situation should appoint a "spokesperson" - someone who is NOT a family member. It would be hard enough to pull yourself together everyday in this situation, let alone have a million cameras and microphones thrust in your face everytime you walk out the door.

As I watch Cindy in these interviews, I see someone who is coming to the realization that her daughter is a monster. In the beginning, I think she really wanted to believe Casey (what mother wouldn't). If the 911 tapes didn't exist, I think I would feel different, but hearing Cindy on those tapes makes me believe that she had nothing to do with this. Cindy got caught up in listening to Casey's lies.

Now, after the 911 tapes...could Casey have told her parents and then everyone scrambled? I'm not sure...

[txsvicki]

It will be interesting to know if Cindy washed the pants before she overheard the conversation that Caylee had been kidnapped by the nanny or after. The timeline should show just how much time lapsed between picking up the car, the call to Amy, the call from Lee to Cindy, and the time between calls to 911.

[laughingul]

Hi all-
I am a new poster- mostly because I noticed this inconsistency and have not seen anyone else post it.

The police report from 6/24 states that the gas cans were $20 and contained $50 worth of gas- but on On The Record on 8/5-
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

....
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, and we actually need to replace a lot of stuff out here. But yes, this is one of the sheds that we would normally keep locked and normally keep the shovels in, which we do keep the shovels in. This is his toolshed. The lawn mower, you know, weed-whacker, that type of thing, shovels, axes, hoes, anything you do gardening work is locked up in here, like that. I mean, it's a normal shed.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was something reported stolen from this, though?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, gas cans.

VAN SUSTEREN: When was that report made that gas cans were stolen?

CINDY ANTHONY: You'd have to ask George.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was that, though, before Caylee was -- had been reported missing or after, that the gas cans...

CINDY ANTHONY: That was before.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Absolutely.

VAN SUSTEREN: And gas cans were -- how many gas cans?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Two, the 2-and-a-half-gallon and one about a gallon- and-a-quarter, something like that.


....

So- if you believe that- then MAYBE 4 gallons of gas were stolen. I know it is expensive- but more than $12 a gallon?

Did anyone else notice this?

[wedavis]

Has anyone seen the interview today where Cindy told the media that she got PERMISSION from the police to take "duffel bags" full of clothes out of the trunk before they seized the car?

Here is that interview:
http://www.local6.com/news/17131363/detail.html

It's the Friday's Developments Video

Now read the search warrant. It states Cindy took the clothes out BEFORE LE was contacted.

I think what is going on is Cindy is telling the police (or the judge, FBI) the truth but makes up all sorts of lies to everyone else (because that isn't illegal).

Now we know where Casey gets it from...

[wedavis]

I am also going to find interviews where Cindy says she has been hearing the name Zanny for three years, and interviews where she says she has never heard the name before July 15th.

These women give me a headache...

[txsvicki]

The really big inconsistency that is directly related to a reference to Cayley is the 911 call. Cindy says that Caylee is still missing, and "something's wrong, It smells like there's BEEN a dead body in the car". Then, it becomes a rotten pizza smell after Casey is arrested.

[wedavis]

The really big inconsistency that is directly related to a reference to Cayley is the 911 call. Cindy says that Caylee is still missing, and "something's wrong, It smells like there's BEEN a dead body in the car". Then, it becomes a rotten pizza smell after Casey is arrested.

Actually there is footage from around July 17th were Cindy was telling the camera that as a nurse and a former cop, her and George know what a dead body smells like and that is what they smelled in the trunk.

So Cindy's excuse that she just said the part about the dead body smell to "get the police to get there faster" is more bs.

Trying to go back in time and locate and insert the links to old interviews/footage isn't my favorite thing to do. Maybe tomorrow...

[TxRose]

I think the $50 has to be an error. I noticed that the first time I heard it and thought "wow...who keeps that much gas hanging around?". That's like a full tank of gas (though perhaps not with gas prices today! LOL). But that wouldn't make sense to have that much for lawnmowers, etc. I think it was probably just an error on someone's part.

[TxRose]

Here' my take on Cindy (JMO). She has a daughter who has never lived up to her expectations - even the lower ones. She doesn't finish school (I think this is true), can't hold a job, gets pregnant and no father is around, lies, steals, and in her own words "has no future". But along comes a second chance - little Caylee. From at least Casey's perspective, as warped as it may be, her mom is controlling and probably handles most aspects of Caylee's life. Either forcefully, or more likely because Casey isn't doing the job and is too busy out partying. Casey resents it even though she probably doesn't want the responsibility anyway. Casey is very immature. She and her mother probably fight over the things she is and isn't doing right with respect to Caylee. Casey finally decides she has had enough and decides she is going to pack up and move out. She is resentful of her mother's attention towards her daughter, and tired of her mom picking on her about her responsibilities. She leaves and takes Caylee with her - probably to spite her mom.

Though "constantly in contact" - I would imagine Casey and her mom mostly talk by phone or by text once Casey leaves on the 9th. And I would guess many of those calls were arguements. Cindy starts to ask to see Caylee and Casey just makes excuses why she can't. Perhaps this even happened before something happened to Caylee. Grandma is upset with Casey, but doesn't report anything to the police because it probably doesn't enter her mind that Casey would harm her daughter. She keeps asking, but probably isn't panickingat that point.

She finds her daughter on the 15th. It has been a month of listening to Casey stall about letting her see Caylee and Cindy is now upset, frustrated and angry. She threatens to turn Casey in to police on theft charges if she doesn't produce Caylee right NOW. Casey finally admits she doesn't have Caylee and hasn't seen her for a month. Cindy is distraught, in shock, and upset with Casey that she didn't say anything before. She is probably also upset with herself that she didn't figure this out sooner. I imagine she blames herself for the delay in reporting the disappearance, but I believe she honestly thought Caylee was ok all that time. I think in all her shock and anger at Casey, she doesn't stop to think how she is incriminating her with her statements made to 911.

After things settle down, she starts to back pedal and tries to cover up the damage. Her anger has calmed and she is thinking less emotionally. She then starts to try and excuse Casey's behavior, explain factual inconsistencies, etc. in an attempt to cover up for ther daughter she knows is in trouble now. She has probably covered for Casey all her life. I don't think Cindy was involved in any way. I think she is trying to save both Caylee and Casey the best way she can. Sometimes that is with ridiculous excuses, but she is probably doing the best she can. She may be saying some goofy stuff to the press, but she seems to be coorperating with LE...and that is most important.

Ok sorry - long rant!

[feddup]

'Blame Yourself For Telling Lies,' Daughter Told In Jailhouse Call
http://www.local6.com/news/16991530/detail.html

During one of the calls, Cindy Anthony said her daughter's car smelled like a dead body -- mentioning it three separate times to the 911 dispatcher.

"There is something wrong, I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car," Cindy Anthony said.


However, days later she said the smell from the car was rotting food.


Cindy Anthony also apparently contradicted what she told prosecutors at a hearing this week concerning her daughter's whereabouts during the time Caylee was missing.


"I told you my daughter's been missing for a month," Anthony said in the 911 call. "I just found her today but I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself."


However, something different was said during this week's bond hearing.


"From June 16 to July 15, did you have any contact with Casey?" a prosecutor asked at the hearing.


"Everyday," Cindy Anthony said. "We called each other. We left voice messages. She'd text me. There was contact everyday."

I dont know how to snip but the part about she talked about talking to Casey everyday is hard to believe. Why didnt she put Caylee on phone to say hi to Grandma? If it were me, I would wonder why she didnt put caylee on the phone......

[CW]

Bumping the thread up.

[feddup]

By July 3rd, per her myspace rant....Cindy hadnt talked to Caylee and was wondering where she was, who was taking care of her, etc.
Maybe they had a big July 4th BBQ every yr and by then she realized Caylee wouldnt be there (more excuses/lies from Casey) so wonder if Caylee was missing before July 3rd? :confused:

[ThoughtFox]

This is a great thread, and thanks to everyone who has posted stuff!

I think Casey was probably messed up at an early age, and her mother got used to telling lies about her, probably just to save face and make herself feel better. But this is way too much to handle, and Cindy is probably cracking up a little under the strain.

Still that doesn't explain all the lying and waffling. I can't stand listening to her talk on TV!

This Larry King Live Transcript is full of weird statements from Cindy:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/lkl.01.html

This first part is weirdly funny because obviously Cindy didn't know what Casey was doing at all, but she ends by saying she "knows her daughter pretty well." :eek:

KING: Why did you turn daughter in?

CINDY ANTHONY: Little background, Casey had gone on an extended trip, kind of trying to figure out -- she's 22. We were talking about when it might be the right time for her and Caylee to move out. And her trip just kept getting extended and extended, which was really not a red flag itself, I mean, the trip itself. There would be a few days at a time that she would go and stay with friends. She went from a couple different friends, and I never got a chance to speak with Caylee during that time.

I would ask Casey periodically if she could put Caylee on the phone or whatever, and there was always a very reasonable excuse. Either she was napping or she was already in bed. By the time I get home from work sometimes in the evening, and I would be able to speak to my daughter, it would be time for Caylee to be napping or going to bed.

KING: I got you. So she finally comes home?

CINDY ANTHONY: Well, what happened was, to set the background right, she had told me that she had been in Jacksonville for the last week and a half. We had gotten a notice in the mail that we had a registered letter. We found the registered letter a few days before, but it was the weekend, so we had to go down and get it. And when we got it, my husband found out it was from a tow truck or a towing company.

And when we actually went down and found out that the car that she, you know, uses was not in Jacksonville, it was in Orlando and we found out the date, that was a huge red flag.

So I started calling her friends and I found one friend that had just seen her a few hours prior, and she took me to where Casey was at, and when I got there, there was no Caylee. So I started to feel like, what's going on? She had told me that she was at the sitter's. So we took her friend home. Her friend and her and I drove around for a while. It was later in the evening, about 7:00, 7:30. That's typically when we start getting Caylee down for a nap and Casey's response was that Caylee was probably already getting ready for bed and didn't want to disrupt her.

But being the selfish grandma that I am, I wanted to see my granddaughter. So we drove around a bit. And I tried to convince her to take me to her, and I just started getting an eerie feeling that something wasn't right in Casey's voice. I know my daughter pretty well.

[ThoughtFox]

This next quote is about whether or not it is a "kidnapping"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/lkl.01.html

KING: So is it the suspicion that the baby-sitter kidnapped her?

CINDY ANTHONY: That's not suspicion. That's what Casey has maintained all along.

KING: Did you get a ransom note?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, it's not that type of kidnapping, sir, that this person loves this girl and wants to have her as her own. That happens all the time. That happened not too long ago. In Orlando, Florida, someone stole the baby right out of a hospital.

KING: So she's a runaway with this child?

CINDY ANTHONY: I believe so.

KING: And you're saying the authorities are not looking for that baby-sitter and the child?

CINDY ANTHONY: Well let me tell you why I say that. It's because they told us there was one person in central Florida with that name. In fact there's nine in central Florida. I just got a phone call on my way here that there's four in Fort Lauderdale and my daughter said that this girl had a Fort Lauderdale number and has connections in Fort Lauderdale and New York, and New Jersey.

In every state, there's people by this name. They think she's smart enough to make up this person for the last two and a half years, but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see and leave her purse in the front seat of the car and not drive it into some lake.

So, my daughter is not a murder. My granddaughter is missing. My granddaughter is missing.

[ThoughtFox]

The following Larry King show happened on July 31st, just two days after the other one, and Cindy seems to be calling the 911 calls a lie, and her later statements the truth.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/31/lkl.01.html

CINDY ANTHONY: So, again, you know, when I called -- made the three 9/11 tapes, I said whatever I needed to do to get the authorities to come help me.

KING: I got you.

CINDY ANTHONY: So did I fabricate a lie at that point?

I worked on whatever I could to get them out there. So, you know, I'm not a liar. I just stretched the truth a little bit. The car wasn't where it was supposed to be so I said it was stolen because I didn't have any other reason to have the authorities come out to my house.

So that doesn't make me a liar or a murderer...

KING: Jose...

CINDY ANTHONY: ...and I don't think that makes my daughter...

KING: All right.

CINDY ANTHONY: ...a murderer, either, just because she has some mistruths.

[Fandy]

I feel sorry for this family as they are the victims....but LORDY!!! this woman needs to be quiet, she is not helping herself.

her thought procress may be spinning out of control given the horror of what happened, but her words are documented, she should flip/flop to herself.

[Anais]

Here' my take on Cindy (JMO). She has a daughter who has never lived up to her expectations - even the lower ones. She doesn't finish school (I think this is true), can't hold a job, gets pregnant and no father is around, lies, steals, and in her own words "has no future". But along comes a second chance - little Caylee. From at least Casey's perspective, as warped as it may be, her mom is controlling and probably handles most aspects of Caylee's life. Either forcefully, or more likely because Casey isn't doing the job and is too busy out partying. Casey resents it even though she probably doesn't want the responsibility anyway. Casey is very immature. She and her mother probably fight over the things she is and isn't doing right with respect to Caylee. Casey finally decides she has had enough and decides she is going to pack up and move out. She is resentful of her mother's attention towards her daughter, and tired of her mom picking on her about her responsibilities. She leaves and takes Caylee with her - probably to spite her mom.

Though "constantly in contact" - I would imagine Casey and her mom mostly talk by phone or by text once Casey leaves on the 9th. And I would guess many of those calls were arguements. Cindy starts to ask to see Caylee and Casey just makes excuses why she can't. Perhaps this even happened before something happened to Caylee. Grandma is upset with Casey, but doesn't report anything to the police because it probably doesn't enter her mind that Casey would harm her daughter. She keeps asking, but probably isn't panickingat that point.

She finds her daughter on the 15th. It has been a month of listening to Casey stall about letting her see Caylee and Cindy is now upset, frustrated and angry. She threatens to turn Casey in to police on theft charges if she doesn't produce Caylee right NOW. Casey finally admits she doesn't have Caylee and hasn't seen her for a month. Cindy is distraught, in shock, and upset with Casey that she didn't say anything before. She is probably also upset with herself that she didn't figure this out sooner. I imagine she blames herself for the delay in reporting the disappearance, but I believe she honestly thought Caylee was ok all that time. I think in all her shock and anger at Casey, she doesn't stop to think how she is incriminating her with her statements made to 911.

After things settle down, she starts to back pedal and tries to cover up the damage. Her anger has calmed and she is thinking less emotionally. She then starts to try and excuse Casey's behavior, explain factual inconsistencies, etc. in an attempt to cover up for ther daughter she knows is in trouble now. She has probably covered for Casey all her life. I don't think Cindy was involved in any way. I think she is trying to save both Caylee and Casey the best way she can. Sometimes that is with ridiculous excuses, but she is probably doing the best she can. She may be saying some goofy stuff to the press, but she seems to be coorperating with LE...and that is most important.

Ok sorry - long rant!

Excellent post!!! You know it's so bad with every person in the Anthony family with all of the lying that I simply cannot stand to listen to any of them speak anymore on the news!!! :mad:

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Here' my take on Cindy (JMO). She has a daughter who has never lived up to her expectations - even the lower ones. She doesn't finish school (I think this is true), can't hold a job, gets pregnant and no father is around, lies, steals, and in her own words "has no future". But along comes a second chance - little Caylee. From at least Casey's perspective, as warped as it may be, her mom is controlling and probably handles most aspects of Caylee's life. Either forcefully, or more likely because Casey isn't doing the job and is too busy out partying. Casey resents it even though she probably doesn't want the responsibility anyway. Casey is very immature. She and her mother probably fight over the things she is and isn't doing right with respect to Caylee. Casey finally decides she has had enough and decides she is going to pack up and move out. She is resentful of her mother's attention towards her daughter, and tired of her mom picking on her about her responsibilities. She leaves and takes Caylee with her - probably to spite her mom.

Though "constantly in contact" - I would imagine Casey and her mom mostly talk by phone or by text once Casey leaves on the 9th. And I would guess many of those calls were arguements. Cindy starts to ask to see Caylee and Casey just makes excuses why she can't. Perhaps this even happened before something happened to Caylee. Grandma is upset with Casey, but doesn't report anything to the police because it probably doesn't enter her mind that Casey would harm her daughter. She keeps asking, but probably isn't panickingat that point.

She finds her daughter on the 15th. It has been a month of listening to Casey stall about letting her see Caylee and Cindy is now upset, frustrated and angry. She threatens to turn Casey in to police on theft charges if she doesn't produce Caylee right NOW. Casey finally admits she doesn't have Caylee and hasn't seen her for a month. Cindy is distraught, in shock, and upset with Casey that she didn't say anything before. She is probably also upset with herself that she didn't figure this out sooner. I imagine she blames herself for the delay in reporting the disappearance, but I believe she honestly thought Caylee was ok all that time. I think in all her shock and anger at Casey, she doesn't stop to think how she is incriminating her with her statements made to 911.

After things settle down, she starts to back pedal and tries to cover up the damage. Her anger has calmed and she is thinking less emotionally. She then starts to try and excuse Casey's behavior, explain factual inconsistencies, etc. in an attempt to cover up for ther daughter she knows is in trouble now. She has probably covered for Casey all her life. I don't think Cindy was involved in any way. I think she is trying to save both Caylee and Casey the best way she can. Sometimes that is with ridiculous excuses, but she is probably doing the best she can. She may be saying some goofy stuff to the press, but she seems to be coorperating with LE...and that is most important.

Ok sorry - long rant!

Excellent post!!!

You summed it all up very well. I agree all the way with what you said.

[Fandy]

Why did Cindy wait until today to tell the media that SHE had a phone number (disconnected) for the babysitter?

I'm not going to comment on Cindy's 81 YO mother saying she spoke to Caylee after the 16th, i don't know the details of her mother's mental/physical state as she is elderly....(my own mother has age-related dementia, her story changes hourly).

[ThoughtFox]

I hadn't heard about the phone call news! Let's please try and give sources or links whenever possible, because I had to track this down in a long transcript:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Go ahead.

PETRIMOULX: It was a call supposedly, you know, coming from (SIC) the Anthonys from Zenaida Gonzalez in which it came in from a private number, and she heard Caylee in the background of the phone call.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Private member -- so they weren't able to determine from certain who the phone call came from, right, just that it came from a private number?

PETRIMOULX: Well, investigators say this call never happen. I mean, that's what comes from the -- that comes from the Anthony family.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So there's that dispute. Now, did Cindy, the grandmother, say that she had actually spoken to the baby-sitter and herself heard Caylee in the background, or is it simply the jailed mother who says that she heard Caylee in the background on July 16?

PETRIMOULX: Well, a new twist that came out today was Cindy Anthony actually said what would be Caylee's great-grandmother actually received a call at some point during while she was missing and that she may have heard Caylee in the background of a call. That's something that we hadn't heard before today, but during an interview, she had said that it wasn't only Casey that had heard Caylee during a phone call, but also the great- grandmother had also been involved in a phone call in which she heard Caylee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, was that on July 16, as well, or was that some time earlier that the great-grandmother supposedly got the phone call?

PETRIMOULX: She didn't clarify. I would imagine that -- she didn't clarify, so I mean, I'm not going to speculate on when that was. You know, she didn't clarify that.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Has anyone located the Zenaida Gonzalez yet? I mean, is that -- is there any more information on that?

PETRIMOULX: Well, there was only one Zenaida Gonzalez that was ever linked to the apartment complex where Casey said she dropped Caylee off, and that woman has basically been cleared from the investigation. She did an interview with one of our local TV stations down here, where she basically said she's never met Casey, Caylee or the Anthonys, and has no idea why she was brought up in this investigation by Casey.

[ThoughtFox]

OK, here's the part about Cindy suddenly having the phone number in her records:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17161366/detail.html

Cindy said she shared new information with investigators Monday about Casey's phone records that she says shows Casey really did get a call from Caylee on July 15 from a "private number." She's even claiming that Caylee's great grandmother heard from Caylee during the time she's been missing.

"We had a long conversation about that today. Some of the stuff that got leaked out is erroneous and they're looking at some of those things today," Cindy said.

"How did the person who had Caylee get your mother's phone number?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked.

"She was programmed into my daughter's phone," Cindy said.

*more news at link*

[Fandy]

[QUOTE=ThoughtFox;2488314]I hadn't heard about the phone call news! Let's please try and give sources or links whenever possible, because I had to track this down in a long transcript:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html



I first read this on one of the many threads i read before I actually saw it on TV last night...i decided to post my comment here, it seemed the best place. i didn't even see a link to post.

[diablo]

Curious to verify what date Cindy's myspace page was created, and last updated with the "July 3rd" entry.

During the bond hearing, Cindy states that she does not know how to do things like myspace, and that Casey did all the work on the cayleeismissing page.

1) WHEN was Cindy's myspace created ?
Hopefully for her is was before June 15th...

2) WHEN was the July 3rd post actually posted ?

[ThoughtFox]

I hadn't heard about the phone call news! Let's please try and give sources or links whenever possible, because I had to track this down in a long transcript:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

I first read this on one of the many threads i read before I actually saw it on TV last night...i decided to post my comment here, it seemed the best place. i didn't even see a link to post.

That's fine - I didn't mean to blame you! :blowkiss: I figured you may have seen it on another thread. If I sounded frustrated it's only that I don't have time to keep up with all the news!

[Fandy]

it was also pointed out that media links go in the media links thread.....sheesh! now i am more confused....:bang:

[ThoughtFox]

it was also pointed out that media links go in the media links thread.....sheesh! now i am more confused....:bang:

It's the custom here on the forum to tell where you saw something or read it - on which news channel for instance if you saw it on TV. If you saw it on another thread, that's fine, too.

And usually when people quote news stories they give a link, but it's not a rule or anything. Just courtesy.

This thread is for "listing" inconsistencies, and just to be organized, I've tried to post a link to what I've quoted.

[Fandy]

thanks for telling me, everything is moving fast and it's hard to keep up....i need to get back to my real life litterbox and stop obsessing about this.

[luvbeaches]

Here' my take on Cindy (JMO). She has a daughter who has never lived up to her expectations - even the lower ones. She doesn't finish school (I think this is true), can't hold a job, gets pregnant and no father is around, lies, steals, and in her own words "has no future". But along comes a second chance - little Caylee. From at least Casey's perspective, as warped as it may be, her mom is controlling and probably handles most aspects of Caylee's life. Either forcefully, or more likely because Casey isn't doing the job and is too busy out partying. Casey resents it even though she probably doesn't want the responsibility anyway. Casey is very immature. She and her mother probably fight over the things she is and isn't doing right with respect to Caylee. Casey finally decides she has had enough and decides she is going to pack up and move out. She is resentful of her mother's attention towards her daughter, and tired of her mom picking on her about her responsibilities. She leaves and takes Caylee with her - probably to spite her mom.

Though "constantly in contact" - I would imagine Casey and her mom mostly talk by phone or by text once Casey leaves on the 9th. And I would guess many of those calls were arguements. Cindy starts to ask to see Caylee and Casey just makes excuses why she can't. Perhaps this even happened before something happened to Caylee. Grandma is upset with Casey, but doesn't report anything to the police because it probably doesn't enter her mind that Casey would harm her daughter. She keeps asking, but probably isn't panickingat that point.

She finds her daughter on the 15th. It has been a month of listening to Casey stall about letting her see Caylee and Cindy is now upset, frustrated and angry. She threatens to turn Casey in to police on theft charges if she doesn't produce Caylee right NOW. Casey finally admits she doesn't have Caylee and hasn't seen her for a month. Cindy is distraught, in shock, and upset with Casey that she didn't say anything before. She is probably also upset with herself that she didn't figure this out sooner. I imagine she blames herself for the delay in reporting the disappearance, but I believe she honestly thought Caylee was ok all that time. I think in all her shock and anger at Casey, she doesn't stop to think how she is incriminating her with her statements made to 911.

After things settle down, she starts to back pedal and tries to cover up the damage. Her anger has calmed and she is thinking less emotionally. She then starts to try and excuse Casey's behavior, explain factual inconsistencies, etc. in an attempt to cover up for ther daughter she knows is in trouble now. She has probably covered for Casey all her life. I don't think Cindy was involved in any way. I think she is trying to save both Caylee and Casey the best way she can. Sometimes that is with ridiculous excuses, but she is probably doing the best she can. She may be saying some goofy stuff to the press, but she seems to be coorperating with LE...and that is most important.

Ok sorry - long rant!


I think you've summed up what's going on very accurately.

[Tricia]

Do you remember the old Warner Brothers cartoons? The ones where Bugs Bunny gets hit with a sledge hammer and it flattens his head, then he stands up (still flat headed mind you) and shakes his head and yells, "YABIDDY YABIDDY"

That is exactly what I did when I read this my space entry from Cindy that was posted on this thread;

Cindy's myspace:
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

(shaking my head back and forth furiously) "YABIDDY YABIDDY"

I know I am waaaay behind here. Sorry for the late reaction but honest to God, it is all right here folks. Their relationship drama, Caylee being used as a tug of war rope.

Doesn't this remind you all of the old saying, "If I can't have her nobody will?"

Did Caylee "love" grandma more? Did Caylee run to grandma first and not to Casey? Did Caylee accidentally call Cindy "Mommy" one too many times?

This just sickens me. To post this about your daughter for the world to see? This is a grown up family. They should act like one. Not like 12 year old girls arguing over a boyfriend.

[sweetwater]

Curious to verify what date Cindy's myspace page was created, and last updated with the "July 3rd" entry.

During the bond hearing, Cindy states that she does not know how to do things like myspace, and that Casey did all the work on the cayleeismissing page.

1) WHEN was Cindy's myspace created ?
Hopefully for her is was before June 15th...

2) WHEN was the July 3rd post actually posted ?

Were you able to verify this or ? This is interesting.

[JBean]

snipped for space

This just sickens me. To post this about your daughter for the world to see? This is a grown up family. They should act like one. Not like 12 year old girls arguing over a boyfriend.hey there.
I think sometimes when people post on their myspace or facebook or in the Websleuth's Jury Room, :eek: they forget that nothing is private online. I have seen many people post extremely intimate details about their life online and this passage is tame by comparison.
because it is written in the privacy of their own home it doesn't feel like it is public or, like here at WS, you get the feeling that only those you know are reading it.
That feeling quickly passes the first time your words come back and bite you in the a$$

There is no doubt that these two are clearly dysfunctional.

PS: I love your YABIDDY YABIDDY"

[sweetwater]

Sorry the post got away from me. I meant to say, is this able to be verified or would that information be sealed?
I can't believe these people at all.

[joanofarc]

So Cindy is implicating her own mother now in all of this. :waitasec:

She is saying that great-grandma heard Caylee in the background too...

How old is gr-gma? Does she live alone? What is her name? I know gr-gpa is in an extended care facility....

Sorry if this has been discussed...so many threads to read :confused:

[passionflower]

IMO, jealousy could be the motive for Casey! Caylee was probably spoiled by wacko grandma and Caylee probably cried for Cindy, etc. I read that Caylee had speech problems? true/false? Could Casey do away with her rival? Did she ever 'bond' with her baby with Cindy in the way??? Cindy and George created the enabled liar. Liars are not born, the are raised to lie. IMO

[chicoliving]

Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, said she washed the gray pants but told investigators early on in the investigation about that fact. Detectives said they learned about the pants being washed about a week ago.

http://www.local6.com/news/17169920/detail.html

[sweetwater]

I really feel that somehow, Cindy is complicit in this terrible ordeal.
Here's a theory, story-line. What if all that "flurry" of phone calls made on the 16th went unanswered because Cindy arrived home while Casey and an injured Caylee were there? And Cindy, being a nurse, for whatever reason, advised Casey that Caylee would be alright. Casey used that as an opportunity to give-away, do-away with Caylee?
Wouldn't that help to explain Cindy's otherwise inexplicable behavior?
I feel like Casey is going to blame Cindy, sooner or later.

[TxRose]

Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, said she washed the gray pants but told investigators early on in the investigation about that fact. Detectives said they learned about the pants being washed about a week ago.

http://www.local6.com/news/17169920/detail.html

Yes, I distinctly remember in one interview she states she asked LE if she could wash the stuff she found in the car and they told her "go ahead". Then in another she said she had told them she had washed them and they weren't concerned. So in one case she asks before she does it, and the other she informs them afterwards. I believe after reading the search warrant that it states she washed them BEFORE contacting police because they smelled like the car!

[txsvicki]

Another inconsistency is Cindy saying that there was never a need to ask Caylee or talk about the nanny Zani, but the flurry of unanswered phone calls on the 16th show a need. What if there was an emergency and the unanswered calls were about a sick child or a broken down car with the child along.

[JBean]

Another inconsistency is Cindy saying that there was never a need to ask Caylee or talk about the nanny Zani, but the flurry of unanswered phone calls on the 16th show a need. What if there was an emergency and the unanswered calls were about a sick child or a broken down car with the child along.My babystter had a list of emergency numbers, but I don;t think I gave my babysitter number out to anyone in particular. Probably careless of me, but didn't have a need.

What really freaks me out about this whole Zani Nanny thing is that she talked about her for so long. I mean what the he!! was she up to? Even if she was Xanax Nanny which makes sense to me, why was she implying there was any nanny? She must have been up to no good on a regular basis.

[txsvicki]

I'm not sure if Cindy said that she had never had a number or last name for the babysitter or not, but you'd think that she would have at some point. Since there was no daddy or other set of grandparents, what if something had happened to Casey, such as a bad wreck, and Cindy would have no idea who had her grandchild or where she was. The Anthony's were the only other family since there was no daddy. It would be interesting to know if Cindy had a fake babysitter number that she may have tried calling the month that Casey and Caylee went missing.

[TxRose]

My babystter had a list of emergency numbers, but I don;t think I gave my babysitter number out to anyone in particular. Probably careless of me, but didn't have a need.

What really freaks me out about this whole Zani Nanny thing is that she talked about her for so long. I mean what the he!! was she up to? Even if she was Xanax Nanny which makes sense to me, why was she implying there was any nanny? She must have been up to no good on a regular basis.

My guess is that she needed a cover for her whole story. She told her parents she was working when she wasn't. Certainly they would ask where Caylee was if she was working. So she had to make up a story that Caylee goes to the nanny while she goes to work. Of course both of them were clearly elsewhere all that time.

[JBean]

My guess is that she needed a cover for her whole story. She told her parents she was working when she wasn't. Certainly they would ask where Caylee was if she was working. So she had to make up a story that Caylee goes to the nanny while she goes to work. Of course both of them were clearly elsewhere all that time.I know and that's what I mean! What the heck was she up to all that time?

[TxRose]

I know and that's what I mean! What the heck was she up to all that time?

Well, she was obviously coming up with a fabulous cover story for whatever happened to Caylee. She was stealing money and spending it. She was partying like a rock star. She was perfecting her myspace/facebook skills. She was learning alot about SIM cards. She was ordering pizza and leaving it in her car. LOL

[ThoughtFox]

Well, she was obviously coming up with a fabulous cover story for whatever happened to Caylee. She was stealing money and spending it. She was partying like a rock star. She was perfecting her myspace/facebook skills. She was learning alot about SIM cards. She was ordering pizza and leaving it in her car. LOL

Well-said! I just spewed coffee while reading your post. :)

[wedavis]

Actually there is footage from around July 17th were Cindy was telling the camera that as a nurse and a former cop, her and George know what a dead body smells like and that is what they smelled in the trunk.

So Cindy's excuse that she just said the part about the dead body smell to "get the police to get there faster" is more bs.

Trying to go back in time and locate and insert the links to old interviews/footage isn't my favorite thing to do. Maybe tomorrow...

I was mistaken. Here is the interview. I honestly have no idea what Cindy is trying to get at in the first 30 seconds of this interview. She certaintly isn't using the excuse that she was just trying to get police out to her house sooner. She must have thought of that excuse later.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/orl-caylee1608aug16,0,4717404.story

It is "Cindy Anthony Talks to Reporters after Bond Hearing". Scroll to page 7 in the video block to hear Cindy say she knows what decomposition smells like.

[TxRose]

I was mistaken. Here is the interview. I honestly have no idea what Cindy is trying to get at in the first 30 seconds of this interview. She certaintly isn't using the excuse that she was just trying to get police out to her house sooner. She must have thought of that excuse later.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/orl-caylee1608aug16,0,4717404.story

It is "Cindy Anthony Talks to Reporters after Bond Hearing". Scroll to page 7 in the video block to hear Cindy say she knows what decomposition smells like.

No - I didn't hear any mention of that either. I heard her basically say that she was a nurse and knew what decomposition smells like. She said the bag of pizza was what smelled and it was one of the worst things she ever smelled. So she was denying it was decomp. But here she never says that she said that to get police there quicker. I agree with you..I think she thought of that latter.

IMO - I think the 911 call was an "excited utterance" and that she spoke honestly and from the heart without thinking. I think the car smelled exactly as she described it in the 911 call - like decomposition. But I think after having time to think about it, and probably after George finally managed to shut her up, they decided to cover and back-track over the comment. I think the clip you posted is interesting in that George keeps trying to get her to stop talking and she is like the Energizer Bunny...she keeps going and going....

[sweetwater]

Curious to verify what date Cindy's myspace page was created, and last updated with the "July 3rd" entry.

During the bond hearing, Cindy states that she does not know how to do things like myspace, and that Casey did all the work on the cayleeismissing page.

1) WHEN was Cindy's myspace created ?
Hopefully for her is was before June 15th...

2) WHEN was the July 3rd post actually posted ?

I asked about this last week, too. I hope someone can tell us.

[newuser]

My confusion with Cindy is back to July 15th when she called 911 three times. Everyone knows the first two calls were calm. The third one, she mentions the dead body smell. Did she go out and smell the car between the second and third call? Why mention this in the third call? It's incredibly hard to believe that she made that discovery in the moments between the calls. When did she say she took the clothes out and washed them? She knew they smelled like the car, but only in a moment of panic does she think to tell someone the car smells.

[Bobby62]

Lie #2 from Cindy Anthony which came out in court today:

Cindy had emphatically told the press that Caylee's father died in a car accident and she could not remember his name, but was sure of it because she had seen the obituary.

Today, she stated under oath that she believed that Jesse Grund was Caylee's biological father and she also said that his family had taken care of Caylee a few times.

I have tried to be a proponent of Cindy. This part has bothered me a lot though. She knew when she said that under oath that DNA had cleared Jesse. This was not BS'ing reporters. This was under oath in a court of law.

Tryin' real hard to be the shepherd

[Bobby62]

This just sickens me. To post this about your daughter for the world to see? This is a grown up family. They should act like one. Not like 12 year old girls arguing over a boyfriend.

I have read snippets but this is my first full reading of this Myspace post. I can not even begin to say how creepy this is. Makes you kind of sick to know exactly why all of this happened. Words fail me.

[Fandy]

There is a lot of dirty laundry in this family. I feel that Cindy is a victim, but at the same time I think she is hiding a lot (which may or may not have bearing on the case). I think she has fear also. jmho

[olive]

I know and that's what I mean! What the heck was she up to all that time?

A lot of :Banane03: while :drink: and taking pictures of her :behind: and :rocker: before coming home and :puke: and then uploading it all :online:

[my2cents]

My confusion with Cindy is back to July 15th when she called 911 three times. Everyone knows the first two calls were calm. The third one, she mentions the dead body smell. Did she go out and smell the car between the second and third call? Why mention this in the third call? It's incredibly hard to believe that she made that discovery in the moments between the calls. When did she say she took the clothes out and washed them? She knew they smelled like the car, but only in a moment of panic does she think to tell someone the car smells.

I had a hard time with that too. Most normal people would have called the police and reported the smell immediately. But these are the Aliens, oops, Anthony's :rolleyes:

I'm with you this. Something is not right. You would think that she would have mentioned something about car stinking when she wanted to report it stolen. I know I would have.

[LI_Mom]

Another inconsistency is Cindy saying that there was never a need to ask Caylee or talk about the nanny Zani

Yeah right.... I suppose Cindy & Caylee were always so busy discussing politics, sports & religion Cindy never even had time to ask how she liked her nanny & what they did together.

What grandmother would think to ask her grandchild if she was happy with the 'stranger' who was taking care of her??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[EvaInCA]

if my daughter went missing for a month, I wouldn't have to worry about bonding out of jail. I would tell the judge NO BOND, because I'd be safer in jail.

My mom and dad would hang me out to dry THEMSELVES!

(Of course, take this lightly please!):woohoo:

[sweetwater]

Yeah right.... I suppose Cindy & Caylee were always so busy discussing politics, sports & religion Cindy never even had time to ask how she liked her nanny & what they did together.

What grandmother would think to ask her grandchild if she was happy with the 'stranger' who was taking care of her??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cindy didn't flip out until she had to pay the towing bill, in my eyes. That's when she managed to find Casey lickety-split.
How many hours after she got the death smell car, picking up Casey, driving around chatting it up in their best friend kind of way, did it occur to her to report Caylee's disappearance?
Lee is in many of the party photos; there is no way he couldn't have been enlisted to look for his sister and niece over the course of a month.

[TxRose]

My confusion with Cindy is back to July 15th when she called 911 three times. Everyone knows the first two calls were calm. The third one, she mentions the dead body smell. Did she go out and smell the car between the second and third call? Why mention this in the third call? It's incredibly hard to believe that she made that discovery in the moments between the calls. When did she say she took the clothes out and washed them? She knew they smelled like the car, but only in a moment of panic does she think to tell someone the car smells.

There are alot of facts and circumstances surrounding the events during these 911 calls that are being withheld by the Anthony's IMO. All of your questions are good ones. Where was George while all this was going on? Could he have gone to pick up the car while Cindy went to pick up Casey at Tony's house? Then perhaps she did smell the car after the first two calls. In the interview I found it odd that there was no mention of what George was doing - just Cindy, Lee and Casey.

The events are very weird and I am suspicious we are not getting an accurate picture of what happened after they found Casey. Remember how Cindy said Casey was crying on the floor while she admitted Caylee had been kidnapped...but then when Casey talked to the 911 operator just moments later, she was as cold as ice and totally monotone? I think Casey was cold from the moment Cindy found her...I doubt she ever showed any emotion about Caylee's disappearance. I bet she was pissed that she got pulled away from Tony.

[JimNJPA]

Something that strikes me everytime I see Cindy talking is how guilty she looks. I don't think she had anything to do with the disappearance or possible murder of Caylee but in my opinion she and the family are accomplices. They are covering up for Casey bigtime.
On the 911 calls, Cindy seems truly distraught. This is why I don't think that the family initially had anything to do with this situation. However, they all decided to cover for Casey and they all know that Caylee is not coming back.
Cindy just looks like she is lying everytime she talks. So does George. It's kinda hard to explain the look on their faces but I'm sure you know what I mean.

[TxRose]

Something that strikes me everytime I see Cindy talking is how guilty she looks. I don't think she had anything to do with the disappearance or possible murder of Caylee but in my opinion she and the family are accomplices. They are covering up for Casey bigtime.
On the 911 calls, Cindy seems truly distraught. This is why I don't think that the family initially had anything to do with this situation. However, they all decided to cover for Casey and they all know that Caylee is not coming back.
Cindy just looks like she is lying everytime she talks. So does George. It's kinda hard to explain the look on their faces but I'm sure you know what I mean.

I do! I agree with you that I don't think they had a clue that something had happened to Caylee. I think they love that grandbaby and truly are grieving. But I think they are also doing their best to cover for Casey - which is something I believe they have done all her life. I believe that is why Casey is the way she is. But you are right...Cindy looks down alot when she is talking, especially when she is being vague or saying something I personally feel is nonsense. George always just looks like he wishes Cindy would stop talking. LOL. To me - he looks like he is trying to believe Casey as best he can, but secretly is just having trouble buying it all. Cindy on the other hand just looks like her primary goal is defending her daughter's story (or lack thereof).

[JimNJPA]

I do! I agree with you that I don't think they had a clue that something had happened to Caylee. I think they love that grandbaby and truly are grieving. But I think they are also doing their best to cover for Casey - which is something I believe they have done all her life. I believe that is why Casey is the way she is. But you are right...Cindy looks down alot when she is talking, especially when she is being vague or saying something I personally feel is nonsense. George always just looks like he wishes Cindy would stop talking. LOL. To me - he looks like he is trying to believe Casey as best he can, but secretly is just having trouble buying it all. Cindy on the other hand just looks like her primary goal is defending her daughter's story (or lack thereof).

Yes! Cindy looks down a lot when she is talking and her facial expression does not match what she is saying. What I mean by that is that the words that come out of her mouth defend her daughter but her expressions betray her daughter's guilt. George has this look as well. Remember when he tried to say that those pictures of Casey whoring it up at Fusian were taking like 3 years ago? lol. I mean come on. Blatant lies.

[miss plum]

Is it possible that Casey's family are pretending to believe her in the hope that she will trust them and reveal what has happened to Caylee? Their volte-face is so dramatic it hardly seems credible. I wonder if they are being advised by pychologists on what to say to Casey and to the media, knowing Casey is watching and monitoring what they do and say and will punish them if they 'wrong' her. They do look guilty, but they also look sad and horrified. Maybe they seem guilty because they are finding it difficult to keep up an appearance of believing her. This is just a thought, I'm not committed to this theory, I'm just trying to figure out their baffling behavior.

[JimNJPA]

Interesting thoughts Miss Plum. One thought I had is that perhaps George was in on the disposal of the corpse. I said before that I didn't think Cindy was in on that due to her raw emotion on the 911 calls but since George has a Law Enforcement background, maybe he would have been the perfect accomplice for Casey to remove any evidence of a body.

[zadari]

Interesting thoughts Miss Plum. One thought I had is that perhaps George was in on the disposal of the corpse. I said before that I didn't think Cindy was in on that due to her raw emotion on the 911 calls but since George has a Law Enforcement background, maybe he would have been the perfect accomplice for Casey to remove any evidence of a body. he may have the backround but i just dont think he could do it .. i dont think either of the grandparents could they love that baby its apparent you can see it .. they may know what is going on i dont know if they do but i just cant see him doing away with his granddaughters body im sorry i just cant

[TxRose]

Me either. I would be shocked. George and Cindy may be covering some things, but I don't think they could do that after watching them all this time. This whole thing has really taken a toll on George - visually more than Cindy in my opinion. His emotion seems more raw...whereas Cindy just keeps getting in front of that camera....

[DAWN TREADER]

I do! I agree with you that I don't think they had a clue that something had happened to Caylee. I think they love that grandbaby and truly are grieving. But I think they are also doing their best to cover for Casey - which is something I believe they have done all her life. I believe that is why Casey is the way she is. But you are right...Cindy looks down alot when she is talking, especially when she is being vague or saying something I personally feel is nonsense. George always just looks like he wishes Cindy would stop talking. LOL. To me - he looks like he is trying to believe Casey as best he can, but secretly is just having trouble buying it all. Cindy on the other hand just looks like her primary goal is defending her daughter's story (or lack thereof).

Hi Tx Rose!

One thing that troubles me about the parents is the lack of any history of communication with Caylee's babysitter -- someone Casey claims to have left Caylee with many times before. Personally, I think the reason LE can't find her is because she simply does not exist. She's a make-believe persona. That's the only logical explanation I can come up with that could explain why neither Cindy nor George have any history of communication with this woman either in person or by telephone.

[Betty Boop]

he may have the backround but i just dont think he could do it .. i dont think either of the grandparents could they love that baby its apparent you can see it .. they may know what is going on i dont know if they do but i just cant see him doing away with his granddaughters body im sorry i just cant

Couldn't they have decided, though, once they had a chance to look at the facts, that there was nothing they could do to bring Caylee back. Then couldn't they have made a pact to put their grieving aside and focus on saving Casey from the death penalty? Cindy is an R.N.; George has LE background. Both are accustomed to putting emotion aside and looking at facts. Just a thought.

[zadari]

Couldn't they have decided, though, once they had a chance to look at the facts, that there was nothing they could do to bring Caylee back. Then couldn't they have made a pact to put their grieving aside and focus on saving Casey from the death penalty? Cindy is an R.N.; George has LE background. Both are accustomed to putting emotion aside and looking at facts. Just a thought. yeah they could have but something is telling me they really dont know what is going on .. they may suspect but they dont know .. they are scared .. and heartbroken and hopeful .. i just have these feelings that this is whats going on . and i dont know why

[TxRose]

Hi Tx Rose!

One thing that troubles me about the parents is the lack of any history of communication with Caylee's babysitter -- someone Casey claims to have left Caylee with many times before. Personally, I think the reason LE can't find her is because she simply does not exist. She's a make-believe persona. That's the only logical explanation I can come up with that could explain why neither Cindy nor George have any history of communication with this woman either in person or by telephone.

Hi Dawn Treader! LOL. I agree that it is suspicious that the parents don't know anything about the babysitter. That is compounded by the fact that none of her friends know anything either. Not one of them was ever with Casey when she dropped Caylee off or picked her up from the sitter? They didn't know her name or where she lived at the very least?

Now I will say that I had a one-day-a-week sitter that used to come to my house when my daughter was about Caylee's age. It was only one day, but it gave me a mother's day out! My parents never met this woman, nor did any of my friends. I doubt they talked to her either. The difference is that this woman came to my home and did not take my daughter out to all the places Casey claims ZG did. My parents would have been very nervous about some sitter taking their granddaughter to Disneyland, the beach, etc. (Of course I never would do that anyway.) If she had been doing that - you can bet that they would want to know more about her - and they would NOT like it one bit. But even though they never met this woman, they heard me talk about her all the time. They talked to my daughter about her too. But probably more importantly - I didn't have a history of lying! I was a responsible person, mother and wife...so trust wasn't an issue. Trust was CLEARLY an issue with the Anthony's - so why didn't they question Casey more about this sitter who had their granddaughter so much?

[JimNJPA]

he may have the backround but i just dont think he could do it .. i dont think either of the grandparents could they love that baby its apparent you can see it .. they may know what is going on i dont know if they do but i just cant see him doing away with his granddaughters body im sorry i just cant

In my opinion, the grandparents don't seem to be motivated by a love for Caylee but rather by covering for Casey like crazy. I think the vigils and the billboard trailer on the back of their PT Cruiser is a desperate attempt to convince the public/LE and themselves (enter the mental illness) that Caylee is still alive and Casey is innocent. This is a seriously messed up family, in my opinion. Pathetic.

[newuser]

I think we all see 'something' just isn't right with the grandparents. I don't really buy any of the big conspiracy theories, though. I don't think any of this clan is smart enough to put together this complicated string of lies and side-stepping questions ahead of time. No one could have predicted the national attention and all the media questions before the story broke. I think the whole scenario has exploded on all of them, and they just don't know what to do now.

[Blondieskatz]

My babystter had a list of emergency numbers, but I don;t think I gave my babysitter number out to anyone in particular. Probably careless of me, but didn't have a need.

What really freaks me out about this whole Zani Nanny thing is that she talked about her for so long. I mean what the he!! was she up to? Even if she was Xanax Nanny which makes sense to me, why was she implying there was any nanny? She must have been up to no good on a regular basis.

Well, I think the answer to that is she was "working", her parents were working, so someone had to be taking care of Caylee. In comes Zanny the Nanny. I just wonder if Caylee ever mentioned Zanny to Cindy. Did Cindy notice that Casey never had money?

[Boston]

Hi Tx Rose!

One thing that troubles me about the parents is the lack of any history of communication with Caylee's babysitter -- someone Casey claims to have left Caylee with many times before. Personally, I think the reason LE can't find her is because she simply does not exist. She's a make-believe persona. That's the only logical explanation I can come up with that could explain why neither Cindy nor George have any history of communication with this woman either in person or by telephone.

I agree 100%

According to Cindy, Casey was an over protective mom. She even kept an extra key in her pocket incase she was ever locked out. If thats the case then would'nt Casey insist on her mother having ZG's phone #? What if there was an emergency? What if Casey was in a car accident and in the hospitol? How would Cindy & George now who had Caylee & how to reach her?

[DAWN TREADER]

Thanks TX Rose and Boston - you both raise some very interesting issues I hadn't thought of. Something is definitly odd about a grandmother as vigilent as Cindy not having any contact with this babysitter in all the time she was taking care of Caylee. Not even a single phone call? Pffft that dog just don't hunt IMO.

[Shavaun]

Here' my take on Cindy (JMO). She has a daughter who has never lived up to her expectations - even the lower ones. She doesn't finish school (I think this is true), can't hold a job, gets pregnant and no father is around, lies, steals, and in her own words "has no future". But along comes a second chance - little Caylee. From at least Casey's perspective, as warped as it may be, her mom is controlling and probably handles most aspects of Caylee's life. Either forcefully, or more likely because Casey isn't doing the job and is too busy out partying. Casey resents it even though she probably doesn't want the responsibility anyway. Casey is very immature. She and her mother probably fight over the things she is and isn't doing right with respect to Caylee. Casey finally decides she has had enough and decides she is going to pack up and move out. She is resentful of her mother's attention towards her daughter, and tired of her mom picking on her about her responsibilities. She leaves and takes Caylee with her - probably to spite her mom.

Though "constantly in contact" - I would imagine Casey and her mom mostly talk by phone or by text once Casey leaves on the 9th. And I would guess many of those calls were arguements. Cindy starts to ask to see Caylee and Casey just makes excuses why she can't. Perhaps this even happened before something happened to Caylee. Grandma is upset with Casey, but doesn't report anything to the police because it probably doesn't enter her mind that Casey would harm her daughter. She keeps asking, but probably isn't panickingat that point.

She finds her daughter on the 15th. It has been a month of listening to Casey stall about letting her see Caylee and Cindy is now upset, frustrated and angry. She threatens to turn Casey in to police on theft charges if she doesn't produce Caylee right NOW. Casey finally admits she doesn't have Caylee and hasn't seen her for a month. Cindy is distraught, in shock, and upset with Casey that she didn't say anything before. She is probably also upset with herself that she didn't figure this out sooner. I imagine she blames herself for the delay in reporting the disappearance, but I believe she honestly thought Caylee was ok all that time. I think in all her shock and anger at Casey, she doesn't stop to think how she is incriminating her with her statements made to 911.

After things settle down, she starts to back pedal and tries to cover up the damage. Her anger has calmed and she is thinking less emotionally. She then starts to try and excuse Casey's behavior, explain factual inconsistencies, etc. in an attempt to cover up for ther daughter she knows is in trouble now. She has probably covered for Casey all her life. I don't think Cindy was involved in any way. I think she is trying to save both Caylee and Casey the best way she can. Sometimes that is with ridiculous excuses, but she is probably doing the best she can. She may be saying some goofy stuff to the press, but she seems to be coorperating with LE...and that is most important.

Ok sorry - long rant!

:clap: I agree. Most reasonable thing I have heard in a while.

[Love_Mama]

Yes! Cindy looks down a lot when she is talking and her facial expression does not match what she is saying. What I mean by that is that the words that come out of her mouth defend her daughter but her expressions betray her daughter's guilt. George has this look as well. Remember when he tried to say that those pictures of Casey whoring it up at Fusian were taking like 3 years ago? lol. I mean come on. Blatant lies.

I think Cindy on tranqulizers. Makes sense right?

xxxxxxxxxxoooooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Love_Mama]

Couldn't they have decided, though, once they had a chance to look at the facts, that there was nothing they could do to bring Caylee back. Then couldn't they have made a pact to put their grieving aside and focus on saving Casey from the death penalty? Cindy is an R.N.; George has LE background. Both are accustomed to putting emotion aside and looking at facts. Just a thought.

I looked up Georges LE experience.
He was what is called a 'donut' cop! or at least that mentality.

xxxxxxxxxooooooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Love_Mama]

My babystter had a list of emergency numbers, but I don;t think I gave my babysitter number out to anyone in particular. Probably careless of me, but didn't have a need.

What really freaks me out about this whole Zani Nanny thing is that she talked about her for so long. I mean what the he!! was she up to? Even if she was Xanax Nanny which makes sense to me, why was she implying there was any nanny? She must have been up to no good on a regular basis.

I'm guessing it's already been established that a Zani or a nanny is the drug
Xanax.

For the management of anxiety disorders or for the short-term relief of the symptoms of anxiety)

Xanax 1mg 90 tabs = $29.95 (cheap) just need a fake script and buy over the internet.

I could probably to next door to our High School and find 15 kids who use them. Very popular today. Forget the old time stuff like weed, Herioin,
meth, coke...........Script's are the drug of choice today, period! Particularly at clubs and schools.

xxxxxxxxxxoo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

[JBean]

I'm guessing it's already been established that a Zani or a nanny is the drug
Xanax.

For the management of anxiety disorders or for the short-term relief of the symptoms of anxiety)

Xanax 1mg 90 tabs = $29.95 (cheap) just need a fake script and buy over the internet.

I could probably to next door to our High School and find 15 kids who use them. Very popular today. Forget the old time stuff like weed, Herioin,
meth, coke...........Script's are the drug of choice today, period! Particularly at clubs and schools.

xxxxxxxxxxoo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:I need me some xanax right now mama.
How are you:blowkiss:

[Love_Mama]

There is a lot of dirty laundry in this family. I feel that Cindy is a victim, but at the same time I think she is hiding a lot (which may or may not have bearing on the case). I think she has fear also. jmho

Fandy, that's a perfect description of this family and poor little Caylee became 'baggage"..........it just make's me sick! :(:(

xxxxxxxxxxoooooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Love_Mama]

I had a hard time with that too. Most normal people would have called the police and reported the smell immediately. But these are the Aliens, oops, Anthony's :rolleyes:

I'm with you this. Something is not right. You would think that she would have mentioned something about car stinking when she wanted to report it stolen. I know I would have.

Had to post this. the truth. About 4 weeks ago I left a whole lot of groceries I had bought at the Super. Too many people at my house, I left a lot of things in the Trunk. One thing was a fresh Chicken. Oh my GOD..........it started smelling pretty fast and I didn't know what the heck it was. FINALLY DUMB ME........look in the trunk and I almost threw up. Now everyone here has at one time bought a chicken that's bad. It really smells, but I don't think it would smell any worse than a body. I'm actually having my car detailed now. GAG!
There was no pizza left in the car that left the smell of a dead person.

xxxxxxxooooooo
mama:blowkiss::blowkiss:

[JimNJPA]

I think Cindy on tranqulizers. Makes sense right?

xxxxxxxxxxoooooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

yes! or maybe she's on anti-depression meds due to her failed marriage, financial situation, and whorish daughter.

[AlwaysShocked]

Yes, chicken that has spoiled really smells BAD - but, it is not the same bad smell as a human body decomposing. Distinctly different.

[Love_Mama]

I need me some xanax right now mama.
How are you:blowkiss:

I'm doing just fine Bean. I'm high on steroids so feeling great. hehehehhe
Having more chemo and radiation but no big deal so far. I should lose all my hair again in about 3 more day's.......well, it needed triming.

I am going to survive! :woohoo::woohoo:
How's the family.........mama?

Sorry folks for taking over the thread!

xxxxxoooooooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[NighTillDawn]

On the first of the 911 calls, Cindy says:

Cindy Anthony: My next thing will be child's thing and we'll have a court order to get her if thats what you wanna play. We'll do it and you'll never...

( I think Cindy was gonna end it with...We'll do it and you'll see never... SEE HER AGAIN...meaning Caylee. )

{Casey inaudibly talking}

( I believe I heard Casey say : GIVE ME ANOTHER DAY )

Cindy Anthony: Well then you have...no I'm not giving you another day. I've given you a month.

Now, if Cindy has given Casey a month already... what did she mean by that statement? A month to get Caylee back? Then why on the third 911 phone was Cindy in hysteric's after only finding out that Caylee was missing then when Cindy had already called 911 two times previous, and mentioned the car being stolen, grand theft auto, and money being stolen. Caylee being missing came in later, almost as an after thought. Then in the third 911 call, you hear Cindy in hysterics. Strange observation don't you say?

:praying: for Caylee

[MommaD]

I agree with Geraldo (not that I want to!) - Cindy's last truths were in those 911 phone calls.

I so agree Eliza.. and not only the last but probably the only truths .. jmo

[dewshoney]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am fairly new to the board...Something that I just realized. When they DO find the poor little thing's body, I have PROOF of complicity after the fact with Cindy...remember when Casey said that she received a call from Zanny the Nanny on the day that Cindy called 911 and the police records showed that there were no calls that day? Cindy Anthony swore that there were and that she HEARD Caylee on the phone herself....Now if it comes down to a conviction of Casey and proof that there was no Zanny, hence no phone call, doesn't that PROVE Cindy's involvement and lying to investigators? I hope they lock them all up and throw away the key....I also think that the brother has realized that his family is just too sick for words and knows what happened to little Caylee and that is why he has went awol....washed his hands of them. What does anyone else out there think?:furious:

[JustMy2Cents]

She FOR SURE has obstructed this investigation. The whole family makes me sick.

[SailorMoon]

Lee seems to be the only sane one there...but after listening to him on 20/20...he's sucked into it as well. Can you imagine what their friends and family...wait..where is any other family?? No aunts, uncles, cousins...no one??

[Lexington]

Lee is still fully in the picture. He was at the Anthonys as late as yesterday when Casey was released. Everyone thinks that he is okay, I personally think that he is one strange dude. I wouldn't be surprised if he were the brains behind the operation.

[JBean]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am fairly new to the board...Something that I just realized. When they DO find the poor little thing's body, I have PROOF of complicity after the fact with Cindy...remember when Casey said that she received a call from Zanny the Nanny on the day that Cindy called 911 and the police records showed that there were no calls that day? Cindy Anthony swore that there were and that she HEARD Caylee on the phone herself....Now if it comes down to a conviction of Casey and proof that there was no Zanny, hence no phone call, doesn't that PROVE Cindy's involvement and lying to investigators? I hope they lock them all up and throw away the key....I also think that the brother has realized that his family is just too sick for words and knows what happened to little Caylee and that is why he has went awol....washed his hands of them. What does anyone else out there think?:furious:
I didn't realize Cindy said she heard Caylee on the phone on the 15th. I'll have to go re read that. Is that in the 400?

[monoxide]

She washed clothes because they smelled like a corpse. The 911 is gonna play a major factor imo. If she lies in court she will go straight to jail. She cannot lie and deny in court

[DazzlinDebSD]

I didn't realize Cindy said she heard Caylee on the phone on the 15th. I'll have to go re read that. Is that in the 400?

Cindy never said that. She's said a lot, but not that. Lee has been to the house atleast three times this week that I know of. Poster, this information is incorrect.

[susan1215]

I think the whole family is covering up something about the case. That's why they got an attorney.

[Patty G]

There is another thread on Cindy's Lies and Discrepancies.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2630528#post2630528

Cindy never said she heard Caylee on the phone. Cindy didn't find Casey on July 15th until much later in the day.

What Cindy said at the "bond hearing" was Cindy's mother heard Caylee in the background when Cindy's mother was talking to Casey. I don't recall a date for that particular phone call, if there was a phone call.

[monoxide]

Lee Anthony Private Investigative Services.......He is in on it as well. I got a feeling he is the one that faked the emails and gave them to law enforcement.

[Cagney]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am fairly new to the board...Something that I just realized. When they DO find the poor little thing's body, I have PROOF of complicity after the fact with Cindy...remember when Casey said that she received a call from Zanny the Nanny on the day that Cindy called 911 and the police records showed that there were no calls that day? Cindy Anthony swore that there were and that she HEARD Caylee on the phone herself....Now if it comes down to a conviction of Casey and proof that there was no Zanny, hence no phone call, doesn't that PROVE Cindy's involvement and lying to investigators? I hope they lock them all up and throw away the key....I also think that the brother has realized that his family is just too sick for words and knows what happened to little Caylee and that is why he has went awol....washed his hands of them. What does anyone else out there think?:furious:

If they wanted to get her on some kind of hindering justice charge, they could have already done it when she washed the pants and knife I would think.
Granted, there wasn't an invesitagtion going on AT THAT MOMENT but she knew it was coming. And this was moments after she said on the 911 call about the smell.

[Lexington]

I didn't realize Cindy said she heard Caylee on the phone on the 15th. I'll have to go re read that. Is that in the 400?

I don't think it was in the 400 pages, but it might have been. I did hear her say it though, early on, on TV.

[TKS2003]

As time goes by all Cindy will be caught up in ALL her lies....and I say let her keep running her mouth on TV, cause I cant wait to see her exposed on the witness stand.
I cant believe that atty they have hasnt muzzled her, she is her own worst enemy. Everything she is saying in interviews can and will be used in court when the trial arrives. Yes, I am being presumptuous saying there will be a trial, and I am not talking a trial just for child neglect and check fraud.....it's all catching up to them. LE is playing it just right---not quick enough for my taste, but I have mucho confidence in them...

[Patty G]

bumping up

[JBean]

I don't think it was in the 400 pages, but it might have been. I did hear her say it though, early on, on TV.do we have a link to that statement?
Since it is the basis of the thread ther really should be one. I have never heard this.

[JBean]

There is another thread on Cindy's Lies and Discrepancies.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2630528#post2630528

Cindy never said she heard Caylee on the phone. Cindy didn't find Casey on July 15th until much later in the day.

What Cindy said at the "bond hearing" was Cindy's mother heard Caylee in the background when Cindy's mother was talking to Casey. I don't recall a date for that particular phone call, if there was a phone call.
I sent in a request to merge.
thanks for that info Patty.

[tehcloser]

Threads like this are where rumors are formed and then turned into fact. Had Cindy ever even came close to saying this it would have been front page news.

[tabbykiki]

... call from Zanny the Nanny on the day that Cindy called 911 and the police records showed that there were no calls that day?...

I believe in the 400+ page document it states there were calls that day, but NONE at noon or even within an hour and a half of the time Casey states the call came in. Casey also states that it was from a "private" number. No calls were received by a private number into her cell phone that day. I just want to make sure people understand that. I heard it reported incorrectly on one of the talk shows the other day too. I'd tend to believe LE before I'd ever believe CA. She's covering for her child. I doubt LE will ever charge her though unfortunately.

[Patty G]

do we have a link to that statement?
Since it is the basis of the thread ther really should be one. I have never heard this.

I believe Cindy stated at the bond hearing about Cindy's mother hearing Caylee in the background while Cindy's mother was on the phone with Casey. But I don't know if a date of this "phone call" was ever mentioned.

We have a link to the bond hearing either in the documents forum or the media forum.

I don't believe it is in the 400 page document at all, but it might be in one of the taped interviews LE did and not released.

[Patty G]

I sent in a request to merge.
thanks for that info Patty.

I did too and your welcome.

[tabbykiki]

Lee is still fully in the picture. He was at the Anthonys as late as yesterday when Casey was released. Everyone thinks that he is okay, I personally think that he is one strange dude. I wouldn't be surprised if he were the brains behind the operation.

Yep I agree 100%. Especially after those strange jail house calls. He actually sounded like he and KC were talking in code. Somethings not right there with that relationship.

[JBean]

Cindy never said that. She's said a lot, but not that. Lee has been to the house atleast three times this week that I know of. Poster, this information is incorrect. Thanks. I could not figure out how I missed something so huge.:)

[Tuba]

She washed clothes because they smelled like a corpse. The 911 is gonna play a major factor imo. If she lies in court she will go straight to jail. She cannot lie and deny in court

From what I have seen of her testimony, Cindy bites her tongue & refrains from finishing what she starts to say, she evades and equivocates. Overall, she conveys only non-information and seems to be suppressing all sorts of details. She appears to not only talk this way but think this way, which must bolster her state of denial.

[monoxide]

One of the things that has always bothered me is how Cindy always went on about the pizza, being the reason for the strong odor in Caseys trunk. She never even saw the pizza as far as the discovery docs. say George and the towing place owner opened the trunk and smelled the odor and found the bag of pizza, papers etc. and threw it in the dumpster. LE later went back and got the bag of trash.

Cindy....later in the car, maybe George told her about the trash and maggots, but still later after picking up the car she then gives her statement about it smelling like a dead body.

Then Cindy later on Greta I believe states that we gave LE the bag of trash from the trunk. Incorrect, unless Cindy went back and picked it up from the tow yard and kept it to give it to LE, LE recovered the trash themselves from the tow yard dumpster, either from speaking to George or the tow place.

Cindy never smelled or saw the pizza and maggots from the bag. She when making a statement said dead body.....which later became pizza, but she never smelled the bag.

This is true. I remember reading in the 400 page docs Cindy stayed behind to complain about the cost of the bill. George went with a worker to get the car. The worker said "This thing is rotten" and George ignored it. The worker threw the bag of trash over the fence and Cindy never seen it....

[monoxide]

From what I have seen of her testimony, Cindy bites her tongue & refrains from finishing what she starts to say, she evades and equivocates. Overall, she conveys only non-information and seems to be suppressing all sorts of details. She appears to not only talk this way but think this way, which must bolster her state of denial.

She won't be able to do that during cross examination :)

[Patty G]

From what I have seen of her testimony, Cindy bites her tongue & refrains from finishing what she starts to say, she evades and equivocates. Overall, she conveys only non-information and seems to be suppressing all sorts of details. She appears to not only talk this way but think this way, which must bolster her state of denial.

There is actually a term for what Cindy does, can't think of the name of it at the moment, saw it on Greta or NG.

Basically when Cindy is faced with the truth she turns it around in another direction. Hopefully someone remembers the term used as I am BLANK!

Just the other night when NG ask Cindy to release the phone records and Cindy turned into searches or some other direction.

[tabbykiki]

Maybe this tread should be deleted if it is incorrect. I don't think it is correct.

I think the OP has been corrected and I don't see any need for mods to lock the thread. Does it violate the TOS???

[SailorMoon]

Yep I agree 100%. Especially after those strange jail house calls. He actually sounded like he and KC were talking in code. Somethings not right there with that relationship.

Agreed. Especially after her being at Universal and he asked if it was for work and she said well, not exactly or however he said it and he was like, gotcha.

[Sliver]

One of the things that has always bothered me is how Cindy always went on about the pizza, being the reason for the strong odor in Caseys trunk. She never even saw the pizza as far as the discovery docs. say George and the towing place owner opened the trunk and smelled the odor and found the bag of pizza, papers etc. and threw it in the dumpster. LE later went back and got the bag of trash.

Cindy....later in the car, maybe George told her about the trash and maggots, but still later after picking up the car she then gives her statement about it smelling like a dead body.

Then Cindy later on Greta I believe states that we gave LE the bag of trash from the trunk. Incorrect, unless Cindy went back and picked it up from the tow yard and kept it to give it to LE, LE recovered the trash themselves from the tow yard dumpster, either from speaking to George or the tow place.

Cindy never smelled or saw the pizza and maggots from the bag. She when making a statement said dead body.....which later became pizza, but she never smelled the bag.



Sorry if this has been posted before...if it has please point me to the post if you can so I can read what has been discussed about it...it is totally bothering me. Thanks!

[Tuba]

It will be interesting to know if Cindy washed the pants before she overheard the conversation that Caylee had been kidnapped by the nanny or after. The timeline should show just how much time lapsed between picking up the car, the call to Amy, the call from Lee to Cindy, and the time between calls to 911. Not that one can believe cindy but she said that the police had full access to the back seat of the car and did not disturb the clothes when they had that opportunity, so she felt free to wash the clothes. I find the laundering very suspect, part of Cindy's construction of reality denial.

[SusieClue]

I am editing this upfront to say that I did not put this on this thread. I posted a separate thread to discuss ways to tell someone is lying to you - it wasn't specific only to Cindy. I disagree with my ''thread" being merged here. I'm just saying...but it will probably get erased, like every other post I make! Love, Susie


I have cut and pasted the following from an article on the web about lying. I think it is helpful to have in the back of your mind as you watch or re-watch videos of George and Cindy. I would specifically point to the Greta at-home video when they are discussing the gas cans. Interesting stuff.

6 Tell Tale Signs that Somebody is Lying

Liars fidget. They fidget a lot. They shift their feet, they sway while talking and they gesture awkwardly and inappropriately with their hands. Subconsciously, when we lie we feel on display and this makes some people feel uncomfortable. It is this discomfort that makes one act all fidgety.

It’s all in the eyes! Liars don’t like to look you in the eye for too long. Or, conversely if a liar is aware of this fact, they may look you in the eye much longer than social norms dictate. Liars also blink less frequently than the norm, as if they need to keep their eyes open and on you in order to assure themselves that you believe their tale. If a person makes eye contact too little, or too much, they may be lying. At the very least they are not comfortable with the subject of the conversation. Shifty eyes, looking away and looking back quickly and awkwardly, is another sign that somebody may be lying. After all, we call being dishonest “being shifty” for a reason.

Liars touch their face and mouth a lot. This is something that most liars can’t control even if they are aware they are doing it. It is a reflexive psychological response to being untruthful, a symbolic way of stopping the lies from coming out. This behavior is most often seen in liars who feel bad about being untruthful or who are being untruthful for so called noble reasons like sparring another hurt feelings or keeping a promise to another to hold a secret in strict confidence.

More often than not, liars look down when telling a story. It’s as if they are thinking of what to say next. It is a well known and well studied reflexive psycho-social reaction that people who are truthfully recounting a real event look up when trying to recall the details. They are looking up and mentally picturing the events that they are talking about almost as if they are looking at their brain for answers. Liars look down because they are not remembering but creating a story and they need to look at a blank canvas, like the ground, in order to spin their story and make it convincing. It’s a way of concentrating on what is being said and making it work with what has already been said, in other words convincingly lying.

Liars mix up fine details. When a liar spins a lie they make a point of registering the core of what is being said for future use but they often forget the minor credibility building details they’ve incorporated in to their lie. A truthful person is more likely to be consistent in recalling smaller details of an event than a liar because the truth-sayer has the mental picture to pull up and think of when asked a question. A liar lacks this mental picture and therefore has no failsafe way to recall smaller details.

People who lie tend to get defensive or they take a defensive posture with others when confronted about the lie, even if they are not actually being accused of lying. When you second-guess a liar they are quick to react in anger in order to put YOU on the defensive and deflect attention from the lie at hand. Even if you ask an innocent question like, “where did it happen again?” or, “can you tell that story over again to Bob?” a liar may get defensive, angry or irritated. In very rare cases, a liar may act like they don’t even know what you are talking about. Inconsistency and a defensive posture combined almost always signal a liar.

[Betty Boop]

I think CA's pants were on fire in the Greta interview about the gas cans.

[lmcgill]

I think CA's pants were on fire in the Greta interview about the gas cans.

Does anyone know how to find the video when Greta was in the Anthony's back yard? I went to the media thread and there is a link that goes to Greta's web site but I can't locate the video.

[SusieClue]

Does anyone know how to find the video when Greta was in the Anthony's back yard? I went to the media thread and there is a link that goes to Greta's web site but I can't locate the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMDQzXM4zU&feature=related
I think this may be it...

[EastSideOfSaddness]

Lee is still fully in the picture. He was at the Anthonys as late as yesterday when Casey was released. Everyone thinks that he is okay, I personally think that he is one strange dude. I wouldn't be surprised if he were the brains behind the operation.

I agree, Lee makes me ill with his smirking and asking for his own personal assistant--PLEASEEEEEE, why so he can play HALO all day? I almost gagged when I saw that video of him. Also, the one on 20/20 smirking again--absolutely sickening.

I'm almost regretting ever knowing about this case, my emotions are haywire over it :mad:

/end rant

[SusieClue]

I agree, Lee makes me ill with his smirking and asking for his own personal assistant--PLEASEEEEEE, why so he can play HALO all day? I almost gagged when I saw that video of him. Also, the one on 20/20 smirking again--absolutely sickening.

I'm almost regretting ever knowing about this case, my emotions are haywire over it :mad:

/end rant

OMG EastSide, your pic is KILLING ME! Genius! I too, feel like I am losing more sleep over this case (quantifiable!) than Casey. sick, isn't it?

[Brini]

Since this thread is dedicated to insconsistent statements made by the Anthony family (namely Cindy) I thought this would be the proper place to discuss what I am about to say.

Now, before anyone flames me, let me make it clear that, in my opinion, Casey Anthony did kill Caylee (and I don't believe it was an accident) and I am not defending Cindy Anthony at all.

But, if you have children, you know how much you love them and how much of yourself you try to install in them as they grow. Now, imagine for one terrible moment that the child you have loved, nurtured and watched grow into an adult has done something unspeakable. Something in your worst dreams you couldn't imagine...

None of us are living in Cindy's shoes (or George's for that matter) - what shock and horror they must be feeling right now. Most of us, I pray, will never find ourselves in that situation so I don't think we can honestly say how 'we' would react in that situation.

I have always felt that family's in this situation should appoint a "spokesperson" - someone who is NOT a family member. It would be hard enough to pull yourself together everyday in this situation, let alone have a million cameras and microphones thrust in your face everytime you walk out the door.

As I watch Cindy in these interviews, I see someone who is coming to the realization that her daughter is a monster. In the beginning, I think she really wanted to believe Casey (what mother wouldn't). If the 911 tapes didn't exist, I think I would feel different, but hearing Cindy on those tapes makes me believe that she had nothing to do with this. Cindy got caught up in listening to Casey's lies.

Now, after the 911 tapes...could Casey have told her parents and then everyone scrambled? I'm not sure...

I've always thought that Casey told Cindy what appened right after the 911 calls. Cindy went straight into protective spin mode, and as you say, everyone scrambled.

[HappyChic727]

I am on vacation and have finally had a chance to read this thread. Kudos to all here at WS. I think we would all like to be flies on the walls of the Anthony home and the police station, not to mention Jose Baez' office. We will all be experts on lying and body language through the Anthony family.

My mind has finally slowed down and thus, I am able to think and see more clearly on this case. When I woke up the past 2 mornings, this case was on my mind and the facts falling into place.

It is clear to me that:

Barring a miracle, Caylee is no longer with us. It was not an accident, but rather, a planned punishment for Cindy and Caylee. Casey is not capable of remorse, so killing her daughter would not have been a problem. No one has ever found Trenton Duckett, and Casey was apparently involved in following that case, at the very least. I don't know if Trenton is still with us or not either. He has never been seen again. I think there were many times that Casey used Caylee as a weapon (from Nancy Grace last night 9/8/08) but like Mark Hacking, the walls were caving in, the truth was being found out, and punishment needed to follow.

Cindy does more than just coverup for Casey. She lies and so it seems that Casey learned to lie from Cindy. Mental illness runs in this family. Caylee is a victim of her whole family.

[Balthazar]

OK, this is really weird. Laughingul posted the Greta van Susteran interview with Cindy where Cindy said:

On The Record on 8/5-
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html)

....
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, and we actually need to replace a lot of stuff out here. But yes, this is one of the sheds that we would normally keep locked and normally keep the shovels in, which we do keep the shovels in. This is his toolshed. The lawn mower, you know, weed-whacker, that type of thing, shovels, axes, hoes, anything you do gardening work is locked up in here, like that. I mean, it's a normal shed.

OK, we all know Casey stole gas out of the shed. But look, Cindy says there are shovels in there - so why did Casey BORROW a shovel?

Since I've laid pavers myself, I can tell you it takes a big shovel with a flat blade to create a level bed in the dirt to lay the pavers. You also need a skinny shovel with a pointed blade or a pickaxe to get the sod up. I'm sure George and/or Lee and/or Cindy laid the pavers - obviously they couldn't afford to hire it done. So they would have had all the shovels Casey needed. So why did she borrow a shovel?

[SusieClue]

OK, this is really weird. Laughingul posted the Greta van Susteran interview with Cindy where Cindy said:

On The Record on 8/5-
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html)

....
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, and we actually need to replace a lot of stuff out here. But yes, this is one of the sheds that we would normally keep locked and normally keep the shovels in, which we do keep the shovels in. This is his toolshed. The lawn mower, you know, weed-whacker, that type of thing, shovels, axes, hoes, anything you do gardening work is locked up in here, like that. I mean, it's a normal shed.

OK, we all know Casey stole gas out of the shed. But look, Cindy says there are shovels in there - so why did Casey BORROW a shovel?

Since I've laid pavers myself, I can tell you it takes a big shovel with a flat blade to create a level bed in the dirt to lay the pavers. You also need a skinny shovel with a pointed blade or a pickaxe to get the sod up. I'm sure George and/or Lee and/or Cindy laid the pavers - obviously they couldn't afford to hire it done. So they would have had all the shovels Casey needed. So why did she borrow a shovel?

The shed was locked and she couldn't get in.

[Balthazar]

Look at what George says about when the shed was broken into and the gas cans stolen:

GEORGE ANTHONY: Two, the 2-and-a-half-gallon and one about a gallon- and-a-quarter, something like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you made the report on June 24, though. That's when you noticed it. Do you remember when you last were in there, so you have some sort of window of when that could have happened?
GEORGE ANTHONY: It could have been Sunday. I believe I was in there Sunday. I don't believe I was in there the day before that, like, on the 23rd. I'm almost positive it's a Sunday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So the Sunday the 23rd, you might have been in there?
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, Sunday would have been the 22nd.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So as best you can tell, it happened between the 22nd and the 24th. someone broke in there.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Uh-huh.

The neighbor who says Casey borrowed the shovel couldn't remember what date. He thought maybe June 16 but wasn't sure about the date. Which is odd because he said it was just after he came back from a trip - didn't he have receipts?

Whoever broke into the shed damaged the doors. So perhaps the neighbor was confused and Casey borrowed the shovel on the 24th June to get into the shed and that's why she only kept it 45 minutes or so?

[redtailhawk]

Hi all-
I am a new poster- mostly because I noticed this inconsistency and have not seen anyone else post it.

The police report from 6/24 states that the gas cans were $20 and contained $50 worth of gas- but on On The Record on 8/5-
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

....
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, and we actually need to replace a lot of stuff out here. But yes, this is one of the sheds that we would normally keep locked and normally keep the shovels in, which we do keep the shovels in. This is his toolshed. The lawn mower, you know, weed-whacker, that type of thing, shovels, axes, hoes, anything you do gardening work is locked up in here, like that. I mean, it's a normal shed.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was something reported stolen from this, though?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, gas cans.

VAN SUSTEREN: When was that report made that gas cans were stolen?

CINDY ANTHONY: You'd have to ask George.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was that, though, before Caylee was -- had been reported missing or after, that the gas cans...

CINDY ANTHONY: That was before.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Absolutely.

VAN SUSTEREN: And gas cans were -- how many gas cans?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Two, the 2-and-a-half-gallon and one about a gallon- and-a-quarter, something like that.


....

So- if you believe that- then MAYBE 4 gallons of gas were stolen. I know it is expensive- but more than $12 a gallon?

Did anyone else notice this?

:) Yes, I noticed that too and mentioned it in the gascan thread. My wondering was if the gas cans were all that George saw when he went into Casey's trunk??? I remembered this being the 24th of June? Could Caylee have been in the trunk then?

Another possible inconsistancy that keeps bugging me is that Cindy says she was in constant contact but on the 17th & 18th of June when there was the "flurry of phone calls" from Casey's phone, it appears she couldn't reach either George or Cindy at home, work or cell????

Hmmmm

[karenmamo]

Lee is still fully in the picture. He was at the Anthonys as late as yesterday when Casey was released. Everyone thinks that he is okay, I personally think that he is one strange dude. I wouldn't be surprised if he were the brains behind the operation.


...and THAT could account for the odd phone call between brother and sister from the jail???
He was talking with her about the phone...he asked about working, or for fun or the 'other.' He understood what the 'other' was all about.
He may not be the brains behind the operation, but it is possible that he caught up really quickly.

Many thought he was working with LE at one point.
Is it possible LE was playing him???

My thoughts are really scrambled this morning.

[TotallyObsessed]

I found this from an interview with a FOX reporter and Cindy from back in July. It shows me that she and her daughter are cut from the same mold. Sort of like “well you aren’t paying any attention to me and my cockamamie story, I’ll show you......I’ll get rid of any evidence there might be and then you’ll be sorry.”

Does anybody else see that? Or is it me?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I don't know. I mean, they had receipts that could have traced my daughter's last actions for the last month. They didn't want them. They didn't even want to go through any of her personal things. It's too late now, guys. I've already put her stuff away. So you know, I let it sit out in her bedroom for the last week-and-a-half, and no one's wanted to comb through any of the stuff that we took from the apartment.
FRANCO: Talk to us about the receipts. What kind of receipts did the Orange County sheriff...
CYNTHIA ANTHONY: She has receipts from going to the grocery story, from going shopping, from doing whatever. They could have went back at the stores to see if Caylee was with her. They could have done a whole lot of things. They haven't -- you know, they didn't. So it's too late now to go back. I don't have those anymore.

MORE EVIDENCE SHE DESTROYED

[tttterri]

There is actually a term for what Cindy does, can't think of the name of it at the moment, saw it on Greta or NG.

Basically when Cindy is faced with the truth she turns it around in another direction. Hopefully someone remembers the term used as I am BLANK!

Just the other night when NG ask Cindy to release the phone records and Cindy turned into searches or some other direction.
I believe it is about time for Cindy to release another "direction". Yesterday she IMO released the part about the argument and what it was over, but that is her version. I believe IMO she left out the part Casey had told everybody about George cheating on her. Cindy denied it to Amy and to the press, but the divorce records and other things seem to indicate it as possibly having meaning. Casey even told Tony that she hated her father. What did he do to make her use such an expression? I havent seen that she hates anyone else.

[Theonly1]

I found this from an interview with a FOX reporter and Cindy from back in July. It shows me that she and her daughter are cut from the same mold. Sort of like “well you aren’t paying any attention to me and my cockamamie story, I’ll show you......I’ll get rid of any evidence there might be and then you’ll be sorry.”

Does anybody else see that? Or is it me?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I don't know. I mean, they had receipts that could have traced my daughter's last actions for the last month. They didn't want them. They didn't even want to go through any of her personal things. It's too late now, guys. I've already put her stuff away. So you know, I let it sit out in her bedroom for the last week-and-a-half, and no one's wanted to comb through any of the stuff that we took from the apartment.
FRANCO: Talk to us about the receipts. What kind of receipts did the Orange County sheriff...
CYNTHIA ANTHONY: She has receipts from going to the grocery story, from going shopping, from doing whatever. They could have went back at the stores to see if Caylee was with her. They could have done a whole lot of things. They haven't -- you know, they didn't. So it's too late now to go back. I don't have those anymore.

MORE EVIDENCE SHE DESTROYED

I remember that. It was about the time my hinky meter was ding ding dinging. If your granddaughter is "missing" would you not be concerned and willing to keep potential evidence around to give LE (even if they can't come and get it right away which btw I don't believe). In my opinion, this is simply a cover. What's the big deal about a pile or two of receipts, books, clothes or whatever?

[Fandy]

Cindy has pretty much been quiet since taking on the new attorney for her and George. I would think (jmo) that he has advised them to both keep quiet, which doesn't take into account George's last outburst.

One of the most insightful statements from Leonard Padilla was that the tensions were very high in that house. I keep waiting for something else to happen when one of them snaps.

[carole]

I believe it is about time for Cindy to release another "direction". Yesterday she IMO released the part about the argument and what it was over, but that is her version. I believe IMO she left out the part Casey had told everybody about George cheating on her. Cindy denied it to Amy and to the press, but the divorce records and other things seem to indicate it as possibly having meaning. Casey even told Tony that she hated her father. What did he do to make her use such an expression? I havent seen that she hates anyone else.

I think the term was called "undoing".

I found the following definition at http://www.planetpsych.com/zPsychology_101/defense_mechanisms.htm

Undoing is the attempt to take back behavior or thoughts that are unacceptable. An example of undoing would be excessively praising someone after having insulted them.

[Friptzap]

I was reviewing some Larry King transcripts and she states this:

CINDY ANTHONY: Well let me tell you why I say that. It's because they told us there was one person in central Florida with that name. In fact there's nine in central Florida. I just got a phone call on my way here that there's four in Fort Lauderdale and my daughter said that this girl had a Fort Lauderdale number and has connections in Fort Lauderdale and New York, and New Jersey.
In every state, there's people by this name. They think she's smart enough to make up this person for the last two and a half years, but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see and leave her purse in the front seat of the car and not drive it into some lake.
So, my daughter is not a murder. My granddaughter is missing. My granddaughter is missing.

The part I am concerned with is this:
"but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see"

Is she telling us she SAW this car at Amscot twice a day?

WTH! There has to be more to this. Why make this comment???? and elude to her doing this in lieu of driving it into the lake? Did they WANT the car towed?

It sounds like she knew the car was there the whole time?
This is purely speculation based on her own statements I am not trying to implicate her in any way merely trying to figure out why her comment was made, it seems to me she knew this car was parked there the only other possibility is that she was eluding that she eventually would see it there twice a day?

Seems odd to elude that eventually she would have seen it while trying to prove her daughter to not be this “smart person” everyone is making her out to be because she would then be smarter than someone whom would leave a vehicle that smells of decomposition parked in a spot with the purse inside in a location that she (her mother) would see it twice a day rather than dump it into a lake which is what a “smart person” would do. Eluding that she had actually seen it twice a day perhaps? But why not do something?

Broken down this whole statement is to imply that everyone thinks Casey is smart enough to make up this person for 2 1/2 years (Casey actually claimed 4) but dumb enough to park a car with a decomposition smell in a spot that she herself would see it twice a day rather than drive it into a lake.

So she is proposing her daughter is innocent and not smart enough to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes with lies for the past two years because she was dumb and parked her car where she (Cindy) could see it twice a day?
So she must have seen this car parked there twice a day, if not why say twice a day?

Merely speculation on my part I do not wish to imply anything at all except that I find her comments very telling and I think if OCSO has not picked up on this I hope they do. This somehow seems important, if she did see this car there for how long? June 27 is a Friday June 30 is a Monday.

She always talks of red flags I think if she saw this car there prior to it being towed that should have been a major red flag, why wait for it to be towed? Why make this comment trying to prove Casey dumb enough to park a car, where in plain sight her mother would drive by twice a day, If she is implying the "future" possibility of seeing that car when in a short period of time on almost ANY car lot these days it would be towed anyway?

Am I stretching? Or could there be more to this? Protecting her perhaps? She seems to know more than she reveals in one sitting, a little seems to come out each time she talks.

[newuser]

I really like reading everyone's theories, speaking for myself. This case is so difficult to comprehend, and I am very interested in how everyone else is thinking.

[mommya]

Yeah - I still can't figure it out - but weren't George and Cindy gone when the car was abandoned - so maybe Cindy hadn't been on her regular driving Route during that time in order to see the car parked there?
I'm not sure on those dates when they were on vacation.

It's still so wierd. Unless Casey truly ran out of gas and just ended up in that spot - why would she have left it at a place that Cindy would have driven by?

She wanted Cindy to see it for some reason?

[princess]

Is she telling us she SAW this car at Amscot twice a day?

Geez..I would hope not..but if so..did they stop by and look in the car..did they look in the trunk?.. I know as a Mom I would....

Very interesting....

[tbthow]

I think you have valid points. This case is everywhere so many views because they all talk in circles. :doh:

[distracted]

That statement caught my eye awhile ago. Here's what I think: Casey wanted her mother to spot the car. She left it there on purpose. She left her purse in it on purpose. She wanted it to look like SHE AND CAYLEE had been victims of a crime. I'm not sure how she planned to get away with it, but I believe she intended to disappear at some point. However, we know that she doesn't think that far ahead and she didn't have enough money to simply disappear unless someone helped her. She may have grown complacent, too, thinking that maybe she wouldn't have to disappear because she had evaded her mother for a month already. She made the comment (and I can't remember to whom) that she had a Plan B, or words to that effect. I'll have to go searching for the quote now!:doh:

[Firefly]

[quote=Friptzap;2676932]I was reviewing some Larry King transcripts and she states this:

CINDY ANTHONY: Well let me tell you why I say that. It's because they told us there was one person in central Florida with that name. In fact there's nine in central Florida. I just got a phone call on my way here that there's four in Fort Lauderdale and my daughter said that this girl had a Fort Lauderdale number and has connections in Fort Lauderdale and New York, and New Jersey.
In every state, there's people by this name. They think she's smart enough to make up this person for the last two and a half years, but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see and leave her purse in the front seat of the car and not drive it into some lake.
So, my daughter is not a murder. My granddaughter is missing. My granddaughter is missing.

The part I am concerned with is this:
"but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see"


Alright help me with this......this is what is telling to me...
This is NOT the only time when Cindy A talks in the THIRD PERSON. She talks in first person....I statements...throughout the conversation UNTIL she gets to this part about the car and refers to herself as "her mother".

I have seen this countless other times as well. I would love start a thread and compile these. From what I understand, when speaking in the 3rd person, it is a way to distance yourself from the pain or from something you don't want to have anything to do with. I am the kind of person who listens to what they say but also HOW they say it. JMHO.

[MiraclesHappen]

I wonder if that interview was during the time period when Cindy was ranting on the news about how the left behind purse was an indicator of the kidnapping but also the motor vehicle theft which Cindy was selling for a short while.

Back then, It could be that Cindy's point is that the nanny is not made up and that it was not Casey who parked the car at Amscot.

Cindy abondoned this crock theory of hers and we did not hear it from her again...that the car was stolen and parked by the unknown car thief/ OR the car thief nanny.

[princess]

That statement caught my eye awhile ago. Here's what I think: Casey wanted her mother to spot the car. She left it there on purpose. She left her purse in it on purpose. She wanted it to look like SHE AND CAYLEE had been victims of a crime. I'm not sure how she planned to get away with it, but I believe she intended to disappear at some point. However, we know that she doesn't think that far ahead and she didn't have enough money to simply disappear unless someone helped her. She may have grown complacent, too, thinking that maybe she wouldn't have to disappear because she had evaded her mother for a month already. She made the comment (and I can't remember to whom) that she had a Plan B, or words to that effect. I'll have to go searching for the quote now!:doh:
I think she said something to Tony on the call from jail about a back up plan and he says he does not want to her that..I believe it was in reference to stealing from Amy IIRC...

[HRCODEPINK]

That statement caught my eye awhile ago. Here's what I think: Casey wanted her mother to spot the car. She left it there on purpose. She left her purse in it on purpose. She wanted it to look like SHE AND CAYLEE had been victims of a crime. I'm not sure how she planned to get away with it, but I believe she intended to disappear at some point. However, we know that she doesn't think that far ahead and she didn't have enough money to simply disappear unless someone helped her. She may have grown complacent, too, thinking that maybe she wouldn't have to disappear because she had evaded her mother for a month already. She made the comment (and I can't remember to whom) that she had a Plan B, or words to that effect. I'll have to go searching for the quote now!:doh:

Didn't I read somewhere that she was trying to get out to California? Sorry I can't remember, because there are just so many players and so many stories it's hard to keep all the lies straight. But I think that I remember that she was going out to California and she said something about needing to tell the guy something and not being sure how he would react. I wonder if she planned on claiming she was going there and then never arriving, or arriving and then disappearing fro there. Mighty far away....

[MiraclesHappen]

Didn't I read somewhere that she was trying to get out to California? Sorry I can't remember, because there are just so many players and so many stories it's hard to keep all the lies straight. But I think that I remember that she was going out to California and she said something about needing to tell the guy something and not being sure how he would react. I wonder if she planned on claiming she was going there and then never arriving, or arriving and then disappearing fro there. Mighty far away....


Yeah I remember that too. I think she had an online "thing" going with a marine in Cal. There was mention that Casey had something to tell him."

[Friptzap]

Sorry, I searched for a Larry King comments thread, I forgot there was a Cindy thread out there!

[HRCODEPINK]

Yeah I remember that too. I think she had an online "thing" going with a marine in Cal. There was mention that Casey had something to tell him."

Right! I remember thinking that either he was the father, or she was just saying that in order to try to get him curious enough to pay for her ticket out there.

[suspicious mind]

I was reviewing some Larry King transcripts and she states this:

[COLOR="Blue"]CINDY ANTHONY: Well let me tell you why I say that. It's because they told us there was one person in central Florida with that name. In fact there's nine in central Florida. I just got a phone call on my way here that there's four in Fort Lauderdale and my daughter said that this girl had a Fort Lauderdale number and has connections in Fort Lauderdale and New York, and New Jersey.
In every state, there's people by this name. They think she's smart enough to make up this person for the last two and a half years, but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see and leave her purse in the front seat of the car and not drive it into some lake.
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here is a map of home, ca work, and amscot, it looks like if she drove by it on the way/home from work, she would have had to take the long way! maybe ca didn't know exactly where the store on colonial was located when she said that, as her work is off colonial, just futher down?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Hopespring+Dr&daddr=932+Summer+Lakes+Dr,+Orlando,+FL+32835+to:75 01+E+Colonial+Dr,+Orlando,+FL+32807+(Amscot+Corpor ation+LLC)&hl=en&geocode=FSqisgEdCQ4o-yF5f7ovvZQd6w%3BFRxZswEdm5kk-w%3BCcJ1--J-bhUUFYLrswEdiawn-yGKqNlkFjFxGg&mra=pe&mrcr=1&sll=28.615871,-81.346893&sspn=0.601561,0.878906&ie=UTF8&ll=28.518478,-81.35994&spn=0.60212,0.878906&z=10

[librarian_mama]

this may or may not belong here, but a question i was wondering about.
In the beginning, sorry, don't have the reference. It was said that the grandparents would pay for everything for Caylee, except Casey had to earn her own entertainment money.
So my question is: To whom did the grandparents make babysitting payments too.? And why wasn't anyone interested in enrolling an almost 3 year old in a preschool for the fall?


I think Cindy was stating that George & Cindy alone took care of Caylee--Casey never contributed money for doctors, food, clothes, etc. Casey was basically a teenager who never left home & who had a baby at 19--her parents took care of Caylee like they did Casey.


I have a 3 year old & she won't be going to preschool. Preschool is generally daycare for a child that age--PreK is for 4 year olds, which is when she'll start. It also has to do with the local public school district. Some have preschool for 3 year olds, some do not. Our school system does not. You can enroll them in a private program, but it tends to be expensive. I don't think that shows any type of neglect that Caylee wasn't enrolled, esp. seeing how much the grandparents took care of her.

[Friptzap]

snipped for space

here is a map of home, ca work, and amscot, it looks like if she drove by it on the way/home from work, she would have had to take the long way! maybe ca didn't know exactly where the store on colonial was located when she said that, as her work is off colonial, just futher down?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Hopespring+Dr&daddr=932+Summer+Lakes+Dr,+Orlando,+FL+32835+to:75 01+E+Colonial+Dr,+Orlando,+FL+32807+(Amscot+Corpor ation+LLC)&hl=en&geocode=FSqisgEdCQ4o-yF5f7ovvZQd6w%3BFRxZswEdm5kk-w%3BCcJ1--J-bhUUFYLrswEdiawn-yGKqNlkFjFxGg&mra=pe&mrcr=1&sll=28.615871,-81.346893&sspn=0.601561,0.878906&ie=UTF8&ll=28.518478,-81.35994&spn=0.60212,0.878906&z=10

very interesting point! even more so - why say it???

But she could be cheap and take 50 instead of the toll road. I would spend the money because 50 would take FOREVER but some people do it!

[SoCalSleuth]

I found this from an interview with a FOX reporter and Cindy from back in July. It shows me that she and her daughter are cut from the same mold. Sort of like “well you aren’t paying any attention to me and my cockamamie story, I’ll show you......I’ll get rid of any evidence there might be and then you’ll be sorry.”

Does anybody else see that? Or is it me?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I don't know. I mean, they had receipts that could have traced my daughter's last actions for the last month. They didn't want them. They didn't even want to go through any of her personal things. It's too late now, guys. I've already put her stuff away. So you know, I let it sit out in her bedroom for the last week-and-a-half, and no one's wanted to comb through any of the stuff that we took from the apartment.
FRANCO: Talk to us about the receipts. What kind of receipts did the Orange County sheriff...
CYNTHIA ANTHONY: She has receipts from going to the grocery story, from going shopping, from doing whatever. They could have went back at the stores to see if Caylee was with her. They could have done a whole lot of things. They haven't -- you know, they didn't. So it's too late now to go back. I don't have those anymore.

MORE EVIDENCE SHE DESTROYED

Unbelievable. She waited a whole 10 days! Why didn't she go and check it out herself!? Right, she was too busy giving media interviews. Apparently, CA thought that the entire Orlando PD should put a break on all its other active cases, devote 100 % of its resources to checking out her daughter's whereabouts for the prior five weeks as opposed to following solid leads in finding Caylee (ie cell phone pings.) Then again, CA could have hounded her daughter to tell the truth so none of the above would be necessary. This woman is a piece of work!

[hpvdr]

[/B]
I think she said something to Tony on the call from jail about a back up plan and he says he does not want to her that..I believe it was in reference to stealing from Amy IIRC...

I have never heard the phone conversation between Tony and Casey from jail. I thought that they had never talked when she was in jail. I just looked through the forum section where the other jail house phone calls are linked - is the call between Tony and Casey linked on this website?

[DazzlinDebSD]

I have never heard the phone conversation between Tony and Casey from jail. I thought that they had never talked when she was in jail. I just looked through the forum section where the other jail house phone calls are linked - is the call between Tony and Casey linked on this website?


I think the original poster made a mistake. That call was Casey calling Tony from home on the morning when the detectives dropped her off after she led them on their first wild goose chase. Tony was confused because Casey had always told him she had 15K in the bank, and she was successfull at US. He asked Casey why the hell she would steal from Amy when she already had her own money. She said she needed a "back up plan" and he was like WTH do you need a back up plan for?
:bang:

[princess]

I have never heard the phone conversation between Tony and Casey from jail. I thought that they had never talked when she was in jail. I just looked through the forum section where the other jail house phone calls are linked - is the call between Tony and Casey linked on this website?

He tells the dectective in the 400+ Discovery... go to his interview..

[JustMy2Cents]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA&feature=related

Listen to this interview!! Good grief this lady lies and lies and lies.

1. She says she spoke to KC every day. She says that KC gave her 'clues' throughout the entire month as to where Caylee was possibly at. She never had any doubt during that 30 days that Caylee was not with her mother. She never had any reason to disbelieve her.

Then why did she tell KC that she had given her a month on the 911 call? Why does she threaten her with taking her to court to get Caylee?

2. She doesn't become worried about KC or Caylee until they find the car. KC told her she was in Jacksonville. Her purse was left in the car which she found very strange. She had told her mom that she was working and visiting friends. Then she goes on to say that KC has always been a very responsible adult and an excellent mother.

Well doesn't that fly in the face of what we have now learned? NO WAY did she think KC was a responsible adult and an excellent mother. If so, why was she seeing a counselor who told her to kick KC out and get custody of Caylee? Does a responsible adult steal steal and steal some more? When CA gave this interview she already knew that KC had stolen money from the nursing home fund AND ran up credit card bills in her name.

3. CA says the car was left and KC had ample opportunity to pick the car up. She doesn't believe KC knew where the car was at and she's not convinced that she was the last person who drove the car. She says why would a woman leave your purse

OH MY FLIPPING GOD! Is this woman for real? We know FOR A FACT that KC was the last person to drive the car. TonE picked her up from Amscot on June 27 at between 11am-1pm for crying out loud and 3 days later the car was towed. She left her purse in hopes that the car would get stolen.

4. When the interviewer asks her to explain her 911 call about 'smells like a dead body in the damn car,' she says that she can't explain because there was no dead body in the car. It was a bag of pizza that sat for 19 days in the florida heat in the direct sun. She says there is no evidence that links Caylee to anything in the trunk of the car.

Come on. Even at this early date the cadaver dogs say differently.

5. She says to review the police tapes. There was no evidence in thier backyard. The reason that they brought out a second dog is because the first one made inconsistant hits. Hits on the playhouse and the sandbox. The reason she says it was an inconsistant hit is because according to her the dog never hit on the same place twice.

Is CA living in the twilight zone?

6. Asked about ZG and why the cops can't verify she exists, CA says that there are ZG's in New Jersey, New York and Miami that match what KC told the cops.

How many ZG's are the A-clan saying kidnapped Caylee? What? Is there just a wandering band of ZG's out there kidnapping children that the public needs to be aware of?

7. CA then states that the reason the public thinks KC is uncarring and unfeeling is because that is how the media portrayes her. She says there are no statements or videotapes made by KC that PROVES she is uncarring. It's the MEDIA that is not doing responsible reporting and only playing clips. That is why America is turning on the A-clan.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what her story will be now since the audio of her interviews have been released?? No one needs to hear 'clips' as we can listen to the whole ugly interview ourselves, word for disgusting word.

8. The most troubling thing of all is when CA says "you guys (media) are going to responsible if Caylee is not found and she is not back to us by her 3rd birthday."

Ugh. Words can't even describe how foul her statement is. This whole family lives in a alternate universe where accountablity doesn't exist. The ONLY person responsible for Caylee never returning to her family is the person sitting in their home with a ankle monitor.

9. The interviewer states that KC needs to be more cooperative. CA says that KC HAS been cooperative. She says there are no expert witnesses comming to interview her daughter. She then says the american public has not turned against them, she gets phone calls everyday from people who think the media is full of crap and the media is not doing responsible reporting. She states once again that "you guys" are going to be responsible if Caylee isn't brought home to them.

Expert witnesses? Huh? What is she talking about? She just talks in circles and never makes any sense. Didn't she just get through saying that the reason america was turning against them was because of the media, and then she says that america isn't turning against them?

Words cannot express how disturbing and sick this whole family is.

[halleyscomet]

Cindy cannot even get herself to say her daughter is a big liar. Instead she softens it by saying that she tells "half-truths".

[Sleuth5]

I was reviewing some Larry King transcripts and she states this:

CINDY ANTHONY: Well let me tell you why I say that. It's because they told us there was one person in central Florida with that name. In fact there's nine in central Florida. I just got a phone call on my way here that there's four in Fort Lauderdale and my daughter said that this girl had a Fort Lauderdale number and has connections in Fort Lauderdale and New York, and New Jersey.
In every state, there's people by this name. They think she's smart enough to make up this person for the last two and a half years, but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see and leave her purse in the front seat of the car and not drive it into some lake.
So, my daughter is not a murder. My granddaughter is missing. My granddaughter is missing.

The part I am concerned with is this:
"but dumb enough to park a car where in plain sight that her mother would drive by twice a day and see"

Is she telling us she SAW this car at Amscot twice a day?

WTH! There has to be more to this. Why make this comment???? and elude to her doing this in lieu of driving it into the lake? Did they WANT the car towed?

It sounds like she knew the car was there the whole time?
This is purely speculation based on her own statements I am not trying to implicate her in any way merely trying to figure out why her comment was made, it seems to me she knew this car was parked there the only other possibility is that she was eluding that she eventually would see it there twice a day?

Seems odd to elude that eventually she would have seen it while trying to prove her daughter to not be this “smart person” everyone is making her out to be because she would then be smarter than someone whom would leave a vehicle that smells of decomposition parked in a spot with the purse inside in a location that she (her mother) would see it twice a day rather than dump it into a lake which is what a “smart person” would do. Eluding that she had actually seen it twice a day perhaps? But why not do something?

Broken down this whole statement is to imply that everyone thinks Casey is smart enough to make up this person for 2 1/2 years (Casey actually claimed 4) but dumb enough to park a car with a decomposition smell in a spot that she herself would see it twice a day rather than drive it into a lake.

So she is proposing her daughter is innocent and not smart enough to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes with lies for the past two years because she was dumb and parked her car where she (Cindy) could see it twice a day?
So she must have seen this car parked there twice a day, if not why say twice a day?

Merely speculation on my part I do not wish to imply anything at all except that I find her comments very telling and I think if OCSO has not picked up on this I hope they do. This somehow seems important, if she did see this car there for how long? June 27 is a Friday June 30 is a Monday.

She always talks of red flags I think if she saw this car there prior to it being towed that should have been a major red flag, why wait for it to be towed? Why make this comment trying to prove Casey dumb enough to park a car, where in plain sight her mother would drive by twice a day, If she is implying the "future" possibility of seeing that car when in a short period of time on almost ANY car lot these days it would be towed anyway?

Am I stretching? Or could there be more to this? Protecting her perhaps? She seems to know more than she reveals in one sitting, a little seems to come out each time she talks.

I don't think you're stretching at all -- it is a very interesting point. If she simply slipped, admitting that she had actually seen the car, it would explain a lot of inconsistencies surrounding the car generally. On the other hand, if she is implying that she would have seen the car daily (I'm assuming on her regular routes to and from work, or...), it may be further evidence of Casey's intention to have the car discovered -- in this case by her Mother -- and thus provide her with the "kidnapping" alibi she may have staged the car to suggest.

[JustMy2Cents]

Bumping for peeps to read post #176

[Gaia713]

Cindy cannot even get herself to say her daughter is a big liar. Instead she softens it by saying that she tells "half-truths".Does that mean that half of what she says is true - I'll bet that half consists of telling her name. There's no such thing as half truths - it's eithr true or it's not. Cindy would not know it's half truths - she is just covering for the little liar moo

[seeker78]

Taken from the August 11, 2008 interview with Greta Van Susteren, my analysis (only my opinion which is neither professional and probably not right), taken from http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:KyyqTaIUQ-oJ:www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html+family+could+only+get+phone+ records+for+July&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

My analysis is indented and bolded:
According to "I Know You Are Lying" by Mark McClish, most people want to tell you the truth. They don't want to lie. So they phrase things in a way that they aren't lying. Let's take the interview below as an example. When someone is hiding something but they want you to assume they are being truthful when they're being deceptive, they'll use phrases like "you know":

QUESTION: ... Emotional weekend. How are you guys holding up at this point?
CINDY ANTHONY: Actually, OK. I mean, Saturday was very therapeutic for us. You know, it's just a day.
So what does she want us to believe? Loving, caring grandparents think that Caylee's birthday (the day they're talking about) is just another day.
CINDY ANTHONY: You know, it was her birthday.
Why would a statement like this need to be deceptive? It *was* her birthday? She's not being deceptive about the actual date. I think this is telltale and Cindy lets slip that this day *was* her birthday when she was alive. She could have easily said, "That Saturday is Caylee's birthday", but instead chooses the past tense.
CINDY ANTHONY: It was a special day. But you know, we didn't celebrate her birthday last year on her actual day.
Why would she make a deceptive statement about not celebrating on Caylee's birthday?
CINDY ANTHONY: I mean, we did a little bit.
Oh, that's why.
QUESTION: If police had unlimited resources, you know, if they could call an army, what would you have them do? What would you like to see?
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, shoot, you know, I'd love to have a satellite from the sky, looking down, looking in every home, and you know, just zooming in on every child, but that's -- you know, we can't do that because, you know, there's...
I wonder why she would be deceptive about wishing she had a satellite so that she could zoom in on every child to find Caylee? We'll never know, because George interrupts her.

GEORGE ANTHONY, MISSING TODDLER'S GRANDFATHER: Come on. We got to go drive that...
CINDY ANTHONY: But that would be awesome.
QUESTION: Hey, Cindy, did Caylee ever talk about Zenaida Gonzalez? Did she ever say the baby-sitter's name?
CINDY ANTHONY: She talked about her puppy all the time.
See anything deceptive about this answer? It's a simple yes or no. How does Cindy respond? With a statement that tries to divert attention from the original question.
QUESTION: Did she ever say the baby-sitters name?
CINDY ANTHONY: I never asked her about the baby-sitter.
Again, a simple yes or no question answered with a deceptive shift in topic.
CINDY ANTHONY: I mean, when I got her, it was all about her being home and getting love and playing and just doing stuff, so there was never a reason. She talked about her puppy all the time.
Again, a no would have answered the question. Overly explaining the answer without answering is a fairly clear indicator of deception. Notice how she tells us that "She talked about her puppy all the time." Repeating something like that typically means she's trying to convince whoever she's speaking to that it's true. There's no need to repeat it. Also, the word talked is past tense. If she believes Caylee is alive, she would have said, "She talks about her puppy all the time."
Analysis: While I can't say Cindy knows where Caylee is or what happened to her, she is clearly not telling Greta everything she knows in this interview. In fact, it's clear she's hiding things.

[Charge Them All]

It is so obvious that she is trying to switch up the questions. Casey does the same things in alot of her answers. Wonder where she learned it from?

[seeker78]

Most definitely. This case is so interesting :D

[Pink Panther]

Interesting analysis seeker. LOTS of similar examples to be found given that she likes to talk so much! The whole family seems to be good at these types of "non-answers".

moo

[seeker78]

I hope law enforcement can see through the deception and back it up with evidence. If so, this case will be open and shut once they fill in all the holes.

[TxRose]

I feel like in some cases she didn't answer with a simple no because she felt like it wouldn't sound good - and she needed to explain why it wasn't bad. For example - when asked if Caylee ever mentioned the babysitter's name...she could have just said "no". But then everyone would have said - "AH HA! There was no babysitter since she never talked about it!". So instead Cindy immediately offers up a reason why she never spoke the babysitter's name...because she was never asked. So I think she tries to justify the answer rather than providing a simple response. In this case I think it is more defensive - rather than deceptive. But I have heard plenty of other statements she has made that I think are deceptive - or a twisting of the facts.

[TxLady2]

I don't find it odd that she said Sat. was Caylee's birthday... that day had passed, so she referred to it in the past tense, not the present tense. It's like someone asking me what I did on Weds. last week, I would say, "it was my birthday.. we went out to dinner."
Saying Caylee talked about the puppy all the time, well, obviously Caylee isn't around now to still be talking about it. So... why say it in the present tense?
Some people just have a tendency to be evasive when they are answering questions. I have a sister-n-law like that... it used to drive me crazy. It's just not that big a deal, once I got used to it. Sometimes I have to ask a different way to get a direct answer.

[Short_Stuff]

I dont think Cindy knew anything then, (maybe she does now, not sure) I think she was defending Casey by watching what she said that could affect Caseys guilt.

[GameTheory]

I dont think Cindy knew anything then, (maybe she does now, not sure) I think she was defending Casey by watching what she said that could affect Caseys guilt.

I agree with you about how the Anthony's behavior can be separated into to parts: Part A they believe Casey was hiding Caylee from them to punish them or whatever and Part B things escalate into a serious deathly situation.

Now something I have been thinking since the transcribed interviews with friends and boyfriends have been released. Remember that good friend of Casey's who said how Casey lied to Cindy about her employment, telling her she worked with this friend at a sports shop and Cindy found out, and a second situation where Casey was lying and Cindy found about it? (I don't remember what the second was but there was a second one).

Now my question is this: If you watch Cindy's statement on stand - when they were testifying for Casey's bond hearing - did Cindy lied to the court about Casey's employment? Because she was telling the court how she knew about Casey working to Universal these dates and these dates (and of course it was what her daughter was telling her so if it was a lie you can't blame Cindy)......but then these interviews come out that show Cindy was well aware that Casey was lying about her employment in several occassions.

[EastSideOfSaddness]

Most definitely. This case is so interesting :D

OOOo baby, I would love to hear your analysis on the bond hearing when Cindy got up on the stand :)

[seeker78]

I don't find it odd that she said Sat. was Caylee's birthday... that day had passed, so she referred to it in the past tense, not the present tense. It's like someone asking me what I did on Weds. last week, I would say, "it was my birthday.. we went out to dinner."

I would think that too, if there wasn't the deceptive "you know" in that sentence. She's asking us to believe her and take for granted what she's saying. I agree that this isn't a smoking gun deception, but it does fit in the larger mountain of deception outlined in the entire post. Notice how you didn't use the phrase "you know" when you told me you went out to dinner?

Saying Caylee talked about the puppy all the time, well, obviously Caylee isn't around now to still be talking about it. So... why say it in the present tense?
Some people just have a tendency to be evasive when they are answering questions. I have a sister-n-law like that... it used to drive me crazy. It's just not that big a deal, once I got used to it. Sometimes I have to ask a different way to get a direct answer.

Let's say I have a granddaughter that stays with me on the weekends, and her neighbor has a puppy. If someone asks me on Wednesday, "Does your granddaughter talk much about the neighbors?" and for whatever reason I decide to tell them about how my granddaughter goes on and on about a puppy instead of answering the question, even though she's not with me right that second, I wouldn't say, "She talked about the puppy all the time." I expect to see my granddaughter alive next weekend, talking about the puppy again. "She talks about the puppy all the time." By using past tense, we see that Cindy has already resigned to the fact that Caylee is either no longer living or never coming home way back on August 11. Her words betray her. :D

OOOo baby, I would love to hear your analysis on the bond hearing when Cindy got up on the stand :)

If you have a link to a transcript, I'd be happy to look over it! I'm by no means an expert, it's just really interesting to me!

[Oakley]

Good catch, Game Theory. Another lie exposed.

I agree with you about how the Anthony's behavior can be separated into to parts: Part A they believe Casey was hiding Caylee from them to punish them or whatever and Part B things escalate into a serious deathly situation.

Now something I have been thinking since the transcribed interviews with friends and boyfriends have been released. Remember that good friend of Casey's who said how Casey lied to Cindy about her employment, telling her she worked with this friend at a sports shop and Cindy found out, and a second situation where Casey was lying and Cindy found about it? (I don't remember what the second was but there was a second one).

Now my question is this: If you watch Cindy's statement on stand - when they were testifying for Casey's bond hearing - did Cindy lied to the court about Casey's employment? Because she was telling the court how she knew about Casey working to Universal these dates and these dates (and of course it was what her daughter was telling her so if it was a lie you can't blame Cindy)......but then these interviews come out that show Cindy was well aware that Casey was lying about her employment in several occassions.

[Oakley]

snipped>
My analysis is indented and bolded:
According to "I Know You Are Lying" by Mark McClish, most people want to tell you the truth. They don't want to lie. So they phrase things in a way that they aren't lying. Let's take the interview below as an example. When someone is hiding something but they want you to assume they are being truthful when they're being deceptive, they'll use phrases like "you know":



If you listen to the jailhouse call between KC and LA, it is full of "you know's" - something that struck me at the time as perhaps part of the code between them. This tells me it might mean something more.

[SeriouslySearching]

The A family knows all the pertinent dates and has from the beginning of this...IMO.

[RR0004]

Inconsistency or lie?

CA says that Casey and Caylee hung out at home on the evening of the 15th (June). Caylee went swimming, but Casey said it was too cold. When asked during the police interviews what she did the day before Caylee went missing (then thought to be June 9th) Casey told them that Caylee went to visit her ggp with Cindy (but couldn't pinpoint if that was Sat. or Sun...but knew the 9th was a Monday). She never mentioned Father's Day. She never mentioned that she was home hanging with the family. IMO, it doesn't sound as if she was around at all.

[dcorrigano]

how is CA not in jail for her lies in this?? Seems to me she is hindering and investigation every bit as much as KC

[krimekat]

how is CA not in jail for her lies in this?? Seems to me she is hindering and investigation every bit as much as KC

In due time all the As will be charged with something related to "missing" Caylee (IMHO)

[Anais]

how is CA not in jail for her lies in this?? Seems to me she is hindering and investigation every bit as much as KC

I so agree with you!

CA is as much a liar as is her daughter. I guess the saying "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" really rings true in this case. IMO the entire Anthony clan doesn't know how to be honest and live their lives as liars. Period! I cannot even stand to watch her, and after viewing the clip from the MJ show I was even more frustrated! Lies, lies and more twisted lies!

:rage:

[RR0004]

I so agree with you!

CA is as much a liar as is her daughter. I guess the saying "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" really rings true in this case. IMO the entire Anthony clan doesn't know how to be honest and live their lives as liars. Period! I cannot even stand to watch her, and after viewing the clip from the MJ show I was even more frustrated! Lies, lies and more twisted lies!

:rage:
MJ show? Link?

ETA: found it!

[MarleneM]

3. CA says the car was left and KC had ample opportunity to pick the car up. She doesn't believe KC knew where the car was at and she's not convinced that she was the last person who drove the car. She says why would a woman leave your purse

OH MY FLIPPING GOD! Is this woman for real? We know FOR A FACT that KC was the last person to drive the car. TonE picked her up from Amscot on June 27 at between 11am-1pm for crying out loud and 3 days later the car was towed. She left her purse in hopes that the car would get stolen.




In light of the MH phone calls, it's also occurred to me that KC left the car in the early morning at the AMSCOT parking lot with her purse inside so that CA would see it on her way to work (as CA eluded to in her Larry King interview). KC left her purse in her car because she planned to disappear from her parents, at least long enough to inject herself as a victim along with Caylee.

KC wanted CA to find the car with KC's purse in it so that CA, who didn't know where KC and Caylee had been staying by that point, would find the car on her way to/from work, fear the worst and report both KC and Caylee missing. KC figured she'd disappear to Cali with MH if she could talk him into a one-way ticket (for one).

KC left the car there with her purse (and never returned for it later) so that whether it was towed or CA found it - CA would think something had happened to KC. KC couldn't return home without explaining Caylee gone, so she thought she'd just never go home again until she could go back as a "victim who lost her kid". At the point KC abandoned the car is about the point it started to wreak and would have drawn attention, and about the point she was talking in-depth with MH out in Cali. KC wouldn't put the car in a lake because then everyone would think she was just living life with Caylee somewhere, and when she was eventually found she wouldn't have a plausible lie to tell about where Caylee was. But if she AND Caylee disappeared from her parents with their car abandoned, KC could make more excuses - in a backwards kind of way..

[Elley Mae]

Not that this is an inconsistency on Cindy's part but to me it was a blunder on her part, in an interview with Cindy and George in their home Cindy is rambling and says how they are safety conscience with caylee in the house and says "that they started locking all the sheds and stuff about a month or so ago" well this interview was done days after Casey was arrested and Caylee had not been at the house for a month or so. just found it odd. It is interesting to go back and watch the video's after we know what we know.

[leandjl]

This isn't really an inconsistency but since we don't have General Discussion anymore I don't know where else to put this. IIRC in one news cast I think it was when Cindy was outside with the hammer (one of those times) and media was hounding her she said something about you should read The Power of Positive Thinking. I googled the book and part of the intro is as follows
1. Formulate and stamp indelibly on your mind a mental picture of yourself as succeeding. Never permit it to fade. Always picture success no matter how badly things seem to be going at the moment.
2. Whenever a negative thought comes to mind deliberatly voice a positive thought to cancel it out.
I don't have a link to the video, did anyone else catch that.
I'm thinking that she might whole heartedly subscribe to this way of thinking, thus her strange behavior - besides the fact that she is covering for KC.
I apologize is this has been covered. Just my thoughts.

[Chilly Willy]

I don't find it odd that she said Sat. was Caylee's birthday... that day had passed, so she referred to it in the past tense, not the present tense. It's like someone asking me what I did on Weds. last week, I would say, "it was my birthday.. we went out to dinner."
Saying Caylee talked about the puppy all the time, well, obviously Caylee isn't around now to still be talking about it. So... why say it in the present tense?
Some people just have a tendency to be evasive when they are answering questions. I have a sister-n-law like that... it used to drive me crazy. It's just not that big a deal, once I got used to it. Sometimes I have to ask a different way to get a direct answer.

I would find it odd for someone not to refer to a day that has passed in the past tense. :waitasec:

[seeker78]

I would find it odd for someone not to refer to a day that has passed in the past tense. :waitasec:

The point isn't that she's referring to a date in past tense. The point is that she's using the phrase you know in that sentence, which indicates deception. Add that to her statements in past tense about how Caylee talked about a puppy instead of talks, and it all makes sense. :D

[Chilly Willy]

The point isn't that she's referring to a date in past tense. The point is that she's using the phrase you know in that sentence, which indicates deception. Add that to her statements in past tense about how Caylee talked about a puppy instead of talks, and it all makes sense. :D

Lot's of people say 'you know' as a habit, especially when they're nervous. She was asked a question in the past tense - Did Caylee talk about Z? She answered in the same tense - Caylee talked about Z's puppy. What was she supposed to say? Caylee WILL talk about Z's puppy? I think you're trying to make something out of nothing.

[seeker78]

Lot's of people say 'you know' as a habit, especially when they're nervous. She was asked a question in the past tense - Did Caylee talk about Z? She answered in the same tense - Caylee talked about Z's puppy. What was she supposed to say? Caylee WILL talk about Z's puppy? I think you're trying to make something out of nothing.

I'd say, "Caylee talks about Z's puppies." That's what I'd say if Caylee's alive.

Past tense indicates she's no longer with us or she's never coming back.

[Chilly Willy]

I'd say, "Caylee talks about Z's puppies." That's what I'd say if Caylee's alive.

Past tense indicates she's no longer with us or she's never coming back.

Sometimes past tense indicates that something happened in the past. And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[seeker78]

Maybe grammar is different where you are; my brother plays World of Warcraft all the time. I'd never say, "He played all the time", especially since he'll continue playing it all the time forever it seems. :D

[Chilly Willy]

Maybe grammar is different where you are; my brother plays World of Warcraft all the time. I'd never say, "He played all the time", especially since he'll continue playing it all the time forever it seems. :D

And if someone asked you, "Did your brother play Monopoly last Saturday?" Would you answer by saying, "No, he played World of Warcraft." or by saying "He plays World of Warcraft last Saturday"?

[seeker78]

I agree with you completely on your usage of grammar in that situation. But how about the example we're actually discussing?

QUESTION: Hey, Cindy, did Caylee ever talk about Zenaida Gonzalez? Did she ever say the baby-sitter's name? (simple yes or no question)
CINDY ANTHONY: She talked about her puppy all the time. (deceptive answer, speaking in past tense)
QUESTION: Did she ever say the baby-sitters name? (simple yes or no question)
CINDY ANTHONY: I never asked her about the baby-sitter. (deceptive answer)
CINDY ANTHONY: I mean, when I got her, it was all about her being home and getting love and playing and just doing stuff, so there was never a reason. She talked about her puppy all the time. (deceptive, tense changing answer)

All aboard the tenseflipping railroad! Next stop, deceptiontown!

It's like someone saying, "Hey, did you see Star Wars last weekend?" and you answering, "Hey, I liked hamburgers."

[whiteangora]

Sometimes past tense indicates that something happened in the past. And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Not if it's Bill C's sorry, couldn't resist.

[Chilly Willy]

I agree with you completely on your usage of grammar in that situation. But how about the example we're actually discussing?

QUESTION: Hey, Cindy, did Caylee ever talk about Zenaida Gonzalez? Did she ever say the baby-sitter's name? (simple yes or no question)
CINDY ANTHONY: She talked about her puppy all the time. (deceptive answer, speaking in past tense)
QUESTION: Did she ever say the baby-sitters name? (simple yes or no question)
CINDY ANTHONY: I never asked her about the baby-sitter. (deceptive answer)
CINDY ANTHONY: I mean, when I got her, it was all about her being home and getting love and playing and just doing stuff, so there was never a reason. She talked about her puppy all the time. (deceptive, tense changing answer)

All aboard the tenseflipping railroad! Next stop, deceptiontown!
The questions were asked in the past tense - about things that happened in the past - Cindy answered in the past tense, as the conversation called for. I see nothing at all odd or unusual in her answers. I see no tense flipping - It WAS all about her being home and getting love.....



It's like someone saying, "Hey, did you see Star Wars last weekend?" and you answering, "Hey, I liked hamburgers."

While that makes no sense in that the answer is not responding to the question, it does show that a question asked in the past tense is usually answered in the past tense.

[seeker78]

If Cindy has no reason to be dishonest, she would have answered the question. "Yes, she mentions Zenaida." "Yes, she talks about Zenaida." If she's talking about a real, live Caylee, she'd talk about her in the present tense. Again, just my opinion, but a pretty telltale sign that at least on a subconscious level she knows Caylee is already gone.

[seeker78]

See if you can pick out the subtle differences in Cindy's story about Casey's "vacation":

"This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?"

(From Cindy's deleted myspace page, archived here http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cindy-anthony-deleted-myspace.jpg )

Let's fastforward to the Larry King interview on 7/30 (from http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/30/caylee.grandmother/index.html ):

King: Why did you turn your daughter in?

Anthony: Well, a little background, Casey had gone on an extended trip, kind of trying to figure out -- she's 22. We were talking about when it might be the right time for her and Caylee to move out. Her trip just kept getting extended and extended, which was really not a red flag, I mean, the trip itself. There would be a few days at a time that she would go and stay with friends. She went from a couple different friends, and I never got a chance to speak with Caylee during that time.

I would ask Casey periodically if she could put Caylee on the phone or whatever, and there was always a very reasonable excuse. Either, she was napping or she was already in bed. By the time I get home from work sometime in the evening and I would be able to speak to my daughter, it would be time for Caylee to be napping or going to bed.

Wow, so how does she explain those crazy panicked calls to 911?

Anthony: I believe we're going to find Caylee if the investigation goes the right way, if the media will not just take their own spins on things. I was in shock that first night and there's a lot of things -- the first phone call, there was no panic in my voice. The second phone call, a little frustrated. The third phone call, by the time my daughter had spoken to my son and actually said that Caylee had been kidnapped, I walked in on that conversation. So the police were going to be taking their time to get to the house, so I said whatever it was to get them out there, right then and there.

That's right, kids.. instead of admitting that she was hysterical with emotions, she'd rather you believe she was faking the tears and panic and believe she was lying to law enforcement to get them there faster.

The crowning achievement in the Larry King interview is a direct contradiction IN THE SAME INTERVIEW:

Anthony: I believe she is alive when Casey handed her off to the baby sitter. At this point, I just hope to God that no one has done anything to her.

So she believes Caylee was alive when Casey handed her off to "the baby sitter", but it sounds ominous when she says she hopes no one has done anything to her, right?

King: Did you get a ransom note?

Anthony: No, it's not that type of kidnapping, sir. This person loves this girl and wants to have her as her own. That happens all the time. That happened not too long ago. In Orlando, Florida, someone stole the baby right out of a hospital.

Oh, ok.. so it was a magical love-duction that happens all the time in FL, apparently. Not the kind of kidnapping where people use a missing little girl for financial gain or anything, just some angelic love-voyage by a person that wouldn't hurt a flea!

__

As an interesting sidenote, in statement analysis, order is important.

Cindy Anthony: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that I made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that Casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find Caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.

So I'm sure Caylee is the most important thing, right? Watch the order carefully or you might miss it.

Anthony: So, my daughter is not a murderer. My granddaughter is missing.

What's more important? Got it.

[bobodedoo]

Hmmm .... how about these inconsistent statements -

KC as mother of the year VERSUS unfit mother (Lee's statements to LEOs investigating this case that were just released today - sorry, don't have a link yet as they haven't been posted by media)

[miimaa]

I don't believe Casey's story for one second but Cindy does. So... I would so love to hear someone ask Cindy "Why did Casey need a sitter if she did not have a job?"

[Tuba]

Cindy never did answer Larry King's q., "Why did you turn your daughter in?" To answer that truthfully would be to admit she suspected Casey of (at the very least) irresponsiblity in the dire circs. of her missing child and, based on the excited utterance about the stench in the Pontiac, harming the child. Instead, she piles up equivocations and evasions, always in the interest of not giving certain information. This was Cindy's manner of reply on the witness stand as well. She likes to supply rationalizations and justifications extraneous to the q. She likes to redirect the line being pursued. Anything to avoid the harsh truth that would come with a direct answer. Her mode of responding is so near to Casey's, I cannot slip a poker card between them.

[LookingForThe Truth]

"Questions about Anthony's car and Caylee's room
* Schieber said Cindy told her about Casey's car being towed from the Amscot. Cindy said Caylee's baby doll was in her car seat and there was a bag of diapers in the back. That was odd because Caylee never leaves without her baby doll, Schieber said.

* Cindy also told Schieber that items were missing from Casey's room, but nothing of Caylee's was gone. "And Caylee's stuff was never moved. No shoes, no pajamas, no clothes, no dolls, no anything."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-documents092308,0,2008725.story

[Beffie]

Cindy saying the car did NOT smell when it was towed. Someone might of put a dead body in truck while it was at the tow yard. Yet, Casey is explaining the odor before she dumped the car, dead squirrel/squirrels in frame of car.

[Linda7NJ]

i found it strange that cindy feared it was casey or caylee in the trunk as she hadn't had contact with either for a month.

[Pink Panther]

CA told Amy (on July 15th when they were driving to Tony's to pick up Casey) that when they went to pick up the KCs car, the smell from the LOCKED trunk was so strong that they were afraid they would open it to find either Casey or Cayleee inside! :eek:

[lizzysf]

Cindy also stated to LE that she believed Casey to be employed and went to work every day, yet when the bags were emptied out and she pocketed the cash from Casey's wallet, with her remark to LA that it was hers anyways...leads me to think she knew all along that Casey did not have a job. Would she otherwise pocket that cash if she believed Casey had earned it by working?

[monoxide]

Cindy also stated to LE that she believed Casey to be employed and went to work every day, yet when the bags were emptied out and she pocketed the cash from Casey's wallet, with her remark to LA that it was hers anyways...leads me to think she knew all along that Casey did not have a job. Would she otherwise pocket that cash if she believed Casey had earned it by working?

I am pretty sure that they were well aware that she didn't have a job. Isn't that the main reason they were going to kick her out? I believe that was Amy's money

[monoxide]

The truth is when is comes down to it, it is Cindy and George's fault that Casey turned out the way that she did. They never disciplined her so she thought she could do whatever she wanted without any consequences. So this whole situation is partially their fault as well

[Capri]

CA Inconsistencies:

When Tricia contacted CA (to verify a member's contact with her), she supposedly knew nothing of Websleuths.

Yet, when Mark Nejame contacted XXXX, he listed Websleuths as one of 3 sites CA frequents.

<<NeJame did admit that Cindy does frequent several websites, not just this one, that have strong vocal opinions about Casey Anthony. He advised her not to look at those, but does she listen? No. She has no legal ground to sue anyone, so other websites need not worry. Seems Cindy is a fan of three particular sites, XXX.com, Websleuths.com, & XXX.com, which are all great websites. I think Cindy should join in, maybe a have a comment or two, instead of lurking. I don’t always agree with forum discussions or members, however, I do agree that websites have a right to say what they want to say, period.>>

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=899

**Hope I'm not violating TOS by posting this, as I know it's not a news site, but a blog. Mods feel free to delete if needed.

[dcorrigano]

I noticed every lie KC told was connected to CA..
1 the timeline, CA said she gave her a month, all of a sudden it's 31 days.
2 CA's 2nd question after "what did you do" was "who took her"...

MO is that Kc is making up her lies based on what would keep her in mom's good graces to save her own azz

[Fandy]

Bump. to review with Cindy's Interview

[kiki the parrot]

Does anyone else wonder if CA only learned a NAME for the supposed sitter AFTER KC left and had to elaborate on where missing Caylee was? It just seems whenever CA's referring back to all these times KC mentioned her nanny in the past (which I believe, since it was probably her excuse whenever she kept Caylee elsewhere overnight) that CA's going back now and kind of retrofilling in "Z" as the name as if she's known it all along although in actuality not provided one til later. That would be par for the course though since she always needs to normalize everything (regardless of how bizarre or wack) so is implying this person's name was familiar to her. Call it 'mother's intuition' but I wonder if she even knew the name "Z" from Eve until hearing this MOTHER of all lies to account for Caylee's disappearance. It just as easily could have been CA doing "ZG" internet searches as of July 15, just trying to figure out if there ever WAS such a person.

[Betty Boop]

Does anyone else wonder if CA only learned a NAME for the supposed sitter AFTER KC left and had to elaborate on where missing Caylee was? It just seems whenever CA's referring back to all these times KC mentioned her nanny in the past (which I believe, since it was probably her excuse whenever she kept Caylee elsewhere overnight) that CA's going back now and kind of retrofilling in "Z" as the name as if she's known it all along although in actuality not provided one til later. That would be par for the course though since she always needs to normalize everything (regardless of how bizarre or wack) so is implying this person's name was familiar to her. Call it 'mother's intuition' but I wonder if she even knew the name "Z" from Eve until hearing this MOTHER of all lies to account for Caylee's disappearance. It just as easily could have been CA doing "ZG" internet searches as of July 15, just trying to figure out if there ever WAS such a person.

I have always felt that CA's knowledge of "Z" is retroactive.

[icherish]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this question or if this topic needs it's own thread, but here goes:

I would like to know from fellow WS'ers why you think Cindy's inconsistencies have not lead to her being charged with obstruction, false statements, etc.

Obviously there has been a lot of inconsistencies and hedging with her, yet she has not been charged with anything and her role in this case is regarded as a "victim" as far as LE is concerned.

To clarify, I'm not asking why or if you think she SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be charged, just the reason(s) you believe LE has held off.

[Pink Panther]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this question or if this topic needs it's own thread, but here goes:

I would like to know from fellow WS'ers why you think Cindy's inconsistencies have not lead to her being charged with obstruction, false statements, etc.

Obviously there has been a lot of inconsistencies and hedging with her, yet she has not been charged with anything and her role in this case is regarded as a "victim" as far as LE is concerned.

To clarify, I'm not asking why or if you think she SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be charged, just the reason(s) you believe LE has held off.

Wouldn't such a charge be made once the trial is over? Also - why should they rush? They might be able to get more information out of her in the meantime while also catching her at more lies...

I'm not exactly sure what she could get charged with. I know this has been discussed quite a bit but I haven't really seen a "legal" response as yet.

[Gummishoe]

Ok, I thought on the 911 tape CA said she had not seen Caylee since the 9th? Am I hearing things? Did she not spend the 15th with her ?:waitasec:

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this question or if this topic needs it's own thread, but here goes:

I would like to know from fellow WS'ers why you think Cindy's inconsistencies have not lead to her being charged with obstruction, false statements, etc.

Obviously there has been a lot of inconsistencies and hedging with her, yet she has not been charged with anything and her role in this case is regarded as a "victim" as far as LE is concerned.

To clarify, I'm not asking why or if you think she SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be charged, just the reason(s) you believe LE has held off.

I think they feel sorry for her. LE has not really been heavy handed with anyone involved in this case. I think they feel overwhelmed with all the world wide attention and don't want to screw up.:bang:

[Mendara]

I think CA is all about appearances and whatever people think of her daughter is a direct reflection of her. I think she knows her daughter is a POS. I think she hides and makes excuses for things because she does not want others to think she is a POS.

Some parents do this - their kid does something terrible and instead of saying "yeah my kid was wrong" they make excuses and point the finger elsewhere.

[karenmamo]

I think they feel sorry for her. LE has not really been heavy handed with anyone involved in this case. I think they feel overwhelmed with all the world wide attention and don't want to screw up.:bang:

Agree with you on this one. It seemed obvious to me in the interview they are aware she is hanging by a tenuous thread--emotionally.

Unless there is a decision that she was an accomplice, I believe LE will not bother with charging Cindy.

[tiredofthis]

Ok, I thought on the 911 tape CA said she had not seen Caylee since the 9th? Am I hearing things? Did she not spend the 15th with her ?:waitasec:

Please correct me if I am wrong.

She did.

Cindy took Caylee to visit her father on the 15th.

[Tammie63]

Yes, she spent the 15th with CA. CA visited her father on the 9th and 15th. She got her dates mixed up and when they viewed the tape of Caylee at the Nursing home it was later proven to actually be the 15th-Fathers Day

[Fandy]

I think that Cindy hasn't been charged with anything (yet) because she did not have any part in Caylee's actual disappearance and murder. Casey was the mother and had full custody. Cindy's part comes after the discovery and report of the missing child, so she's an *accomplice* (per say) after the actual crime? (maybe)? jmo

[kiki the parrot]

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: "I don't know. I mean, they had receipts that could have traced my daughter's last actions for the last month. They didn't want them. They didn't even want to go through any of her personal things. It's too late now, guys. I've already put her stuff away. So you know, I let it sit out in her bedroom for the last week-and-a-half, and no one's wanted to comb through any of the stuff that we took from the apartment.
FRANCO: Talk to us about the receipts. What kind of receipts did the Orange County sheriff...
CYNTHIA ANTHONY: She has receipts from going to the grocery story, from going shopping, from doing whatever. They could have went back at the stores to see if Caylee was with her. They could have done a whole lot of things. They haven't -- you know, they didn't. So it's too late now to go back. I don't have those anymore."

KC may be the one w the ankle monitor, but DECEPTION is LEARNED. Clearly what CA is REALLY saying here is, "Well, you guys had your chance, it's not MY fault if you blew it." WTH happened to, "IF I HAVE TO GO OUT MYSELF DOOR TO DOOR AND LOOK FOR THIS CHILD UNTIL THE DAY I DIE, I WILL WALK EVERY INCH OF THIS EARTH AND OPEN EVERY DOOR AND KNOCK ON EVERY DOOR AND LOOK IN EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY UNTIL I FIND HER." If LE hasn't reached their limit w this woman and her obstruction and blameshifting I've certainly reached mine! Whatever her daughter did or rather DIDN'T do to assist in finding Caylee, it makes me FURIOUS CA is also steadily twisting this to place the blame on LE (the "kidnappers," "Zanny," Jesse, Amy... have I left anyone out?) So far all I've seen is her refuse to this day to give LE her credit card statements, and toss endless red herrings to LE, distracting and diverting LE's time and manpower from following worthwhile tips that might actually LEAD somewhere. Confuse, confuse, confuse... hmm, wonder why KC turned out this way... arrrgghhhhhh......

[kiki the parrot]

Oh yes, almost forgot, and launder evidence...

[karenmamo]

Maybe OT.........however, I keep trying to visualize the night of the 15th when CA was choking on KC. I keep imagining the things that came out of Cindy's mouth.
I have ALWAYS felt something happened along the way to cause KC to mentally crack.
(I believe KC was making death plans in advance...but maybe not ready to carry it out)
You must really have to be in a horrible place emotionally to kill your beautiful child.
What might Cindy have been saying?

I want to kill you..............
You are not allowed to ever be in my home again......
............
..............
..............
I just do not think it was KC's near death experience at the hands of her mother alone, but also the things Cindy was yelling at her.
What ideas do any of you have about this?

am I making any sense?

[Brini]

I hesitate to use the words "Cindy's Lies" because I do not believe she is involved in her granddaughter's disappearance, but she's not consistent in her statements and actions.

From this report on July 18th:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-caylee-anthony-080718-ht,0,5928334.story?page=2

In early June, Casey Anthony told her mother she was being sent to Tampa (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/us/florida/hillsborough-county/tampa-PLGEO100100404010000.topic) for work and would be back in a few days. Later, she said she was going on a "mini-vacation" with friends and taking Caylee with her. Cindy Anthony never thought much of it.

<snip>

"I had no reason to believe they weren't where they were supposed to be," Cindy Anthony said. "I don't know why she fabricated this."

Cindy's myspace:
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Inconsistencies:

Casey/Caylee's planned vs. unplanned departure from Anthony home:
1) Myspace: The daughter <snip> leaves without warning and Where did she go?
vs
Statement: Casey Anthony told her mother she was being sent to Tampa (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/us/florida/hillsborough-county/tampa-PLGEO100100404010000.topic) for work and would be back in a few days. Later, she said she was going on a "mini-vacation" with friends and taking Caylee with her. <snip> "I had no reason to believe they weren't where they were supposed to be," Cindy Anthony said.

Why does Cindy tell reporters that Casey left for a vacation that she knew about yet writes on myspace that Caylee left without warning?

I think they left without warning, after some "drama" that Casey wrote about on someone's facebook 9 days after the 15th of June:

Casey Anthony (http://www.facebook.com/s.php?k=100000080&id=508228238) (Orlando, FL) wrote at 2:40pm on June 24th, 2008 she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven't even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i'll fill ya in later on.

Knowledge of Casey/Caylee's whereabouts vs. not knowing where they were:
2) Myspace: Where did she go?
vs
Statement: "I had no reason to believe they weren't where they were supposed to be," Cindy Anthony said.

Does she know where they went? Or doesn't she? She can't decide.

Cindy's mood: Upset vs. Indifferent:
3) Myspace on 7/3:
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
vs.
Statement on 7/18:
...she said she was going on a "mini-vacation" with friends and taking Caylee with her. Cindy Anthony never thought much of it.

Was she distraught or whas she not thinking much about it?

I'll go with distraught.

Knowledge of lack of job vs. believing Casey has a job:
4) Cindy implies she believes her daughter has a job in her statement: Casey Anthony told her mother she was being sent to Tampa (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/us/florida/hillsborough-county/tampa-PLGEO100100404010000.topic) for work and would be back in a few days.
vs.
myspace: No money, no future.

If she had a job, one would think she had money from the job and possibly a future? Did Cindy know or not know that Casey didn't have a job?



Well, she didn't act surprised when LE confronted her with KC's earnings report-- which ended in the first quarter of '06.

BTW-- NOW CA is stating that she "has thought JG was guilty from the beginning." Though she kept insisting that it was ZG, for awhile.

[s1rebecca]

CA will be a key witness in this case, the prosecutor is going to eat her up and spit her out just as she did at the bond hearing. As KC's mother the jury will look to her for character, I think CA testimony alone may help the prosecution win this case. And as much as KC did to AH stealing ALL of her money, CA would point the finger at one of KC's victims. AH willing took her to KC she had nothing to hide and then she turns around and starts pointing fingers at people who are greater character and moral fiber than her daughter.

[EtherealGirl]

There has never been any doubt in my mind where KC learned to LIE. The apple truly does not fall far from the tree when it involves the A 'family'. Especially CA.

[Openmyeyes]

To clarify, I'm not asking why or if you think she SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be charged, just the reason(s) you believe LE has held off.

snipped for space, respectively!

My thoughts on this go from logical to emotional.

First, CA was the one to call and declare her granddaughter missing. What bothers me most about these calls to 911 is that it wasn't her number one
priority. She chose to use calling 911 as a tool to manipulate Casey into behaving a certain way. LE probably saw that, and thought that Grandma would initially cooperate, despite the emotional frenzy she worked herself into.
Little did they know how manipulating and controlling she really was.

Second, in past murder and missing person cases, LE normally has shown certain amount of sensitivity to family members that clearly have no direct connection to the victim being gone. This can help get vital information they need. IMO, it only makes sense. Many of us questioned why Lee and Jackie Peterson were not charged with anything during the Laci Peterson case.
They appeared to be obstructing justice by protecting and defending their son on a regular basis.

Third, perhaps after interviewing CA and after watching her many tv appearances they felt it was best to let her ramble on and paint herself into
a corner.

If, and when, proof that CA has somehow intimidated witnesses, or purposely
gave LE erroneous information to intentionally throw LE off track, they will
pursue charges. I'm thinking this is not impossible since the Anthonys have lawyered up with a criminal defense attorney. (I don't think for one minute
they made that move to just have someone represent them for publicity purposes).

[shelbar53]

I think cindy knew casey didnt have a job at universal after she went there on July 3rd looking for caylee. After her visit to universal on July 3rd, she posted that comment on her myspace.

On July 3, Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios hoping she could find Caylee. But she had no luck

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=2

[karenmamo]

CA will be a key witness in this case, the prosecutor is going to eat her up and spit her out just as she did at the bond hearing. As KC's mother the jury will look to her for character, I think CA testimony alone may help the prosecution win this case. And as much as KC did to AH stealing ALL of her money, CA would point the finger at one of KC's victims. AH willing took her to KC she had nothing to hide and then she turns around and starts pointing fingers at people who are greater character and moral fiber than her daughter.

And when she lies during the prosecution's questioning that will be when she 'hangs' herself.
Then later she should be charged for perjury!!!~:woohoo:

JMO

[tekilla]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US

During the bond hearing CA lied under oath about KC graduating high school. She said right after KC graduated from high school Kc got an interview and started working for Kodiak at Universal Studios.

[monoxide]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US

During the bond hearing CA lied under oath about KC graduating high school. She said right after KC graduated from high school Kc got an interview and started working for Kodiak at Universal Studios.

Very nice find. Contempt! Arrest her now!

[Pink Panther]

Very nice find. Contempt! Arrest her now!

This is definitely not the only thing that she has outright lied about under oath and to LE in interviews...She will definitely have her day but first things first...KC has much to answer to!