View Full Version : The Search for Caylee-Possible Physical Locations
believe09
07-29-2008, 02:34 PM
Christine sent out the word to rally for a search-who is up for it!!! PM her your phone number, let's get it organized. I will post some of the speculation on physical locations....
believe09
07-29-2008, 02:35 PM
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The Amscot on E Colonial Dr in Orlando is a few blocks away from....you guessed it....Blanchard Park as well as Lake Downey Park. If the car was abandoned at the E Colonial Dr Amscot, I would think that those might be likely search areas. JMO.
If the car was abandoned at the Amscot on W Colonial Dr., there is a park called Gordon Barnett Park near-by.
Sigh....
To me, she wouldn't dump the body in a public park area...too many people around and too likely a chance of a stinch to arise. I would think she would go for the uninhabited wooded areas nearby....WHICH THERE ARE SEVERAL. Including the area down on Lee Vista which is still all under construction. They are connecting the road to Alafaya Trail. The road is complete, but not legally "open". There is NOTHING but woods all down there for miles...and it's not far from where the Anthony's live either....and that's JUST ONE section of woods that could be a possiblity. All of these places are feasable. Which is why I think most people just wouldn't know where to begin without a solid lead.
believe09
07-29-2008, 02:38 PM
Here is a snip from FLdawg's post:
They are connecting the road to Alafaya Trail. The road is complete, but not legally "open". There is NOTHING but woods all down there for miles...and it's not far from where the Anthony's live either.
This is in Blanchard Park, connecting Lee Vista to the Alafaya Trail? A few blocks from the E Colonial Check cashing place...seems like a good place to start.
Salem
07-29-2008, 02:49 PM
This is such a good idea! I wish I was in Flordia. Does anyone have search dogs?
Salem
coltsgal
07-29-2008, 02:52 PM
This is great. I wish I lived in, or even near, florida to help. Even if you can only get a small handfull of people, try to get it noticed by the media...the locals will see it and want to help.
FLbeachdawg
07-29-2008, 03:41 PM
Here is a snip from FLdawg's post:
They are connecting the road to Alafaya Trail. The road is complete, but not legally "open". There is NOTHING but woods all down there for miles...and it's not far from where the Anthony's live either.
This is in Blanchard Park, connecting Lee Vista to the Alafaya Trail? A few blocks from the E Colonial Check cashing place...seems like a good place to start.
No no no no...this is NOT in Blanchard Park. Two TOTALLY different places about 15 minutes from each other. This was just an area I noted that has a lot of woods and its near their home. Lee Vista is a road and they are currently extending it to reach Alafaya trail. I was saying there are A LOT of places around here...it's really hard to narrow a search.
But you also have the landfill on Dean Road...also not too far from the Anthony's.
There is a large patch of woods on Econlockhatchee Trail...not too far from their home
I mean seriously...the list goes on and on if you want to include where she has been.
Personally I say have grandma give out Casey's receipts of where she had been and we can go door to door at these places and ask if anyone has seen them...
Bobby62
07-29-2008, 03:57 PM
There is a large patch of woods about 100 yards behind their home
christine2448
07-29-2008, 04:10 PM
Christine sent out the word to rally for a search-who is up for it!!! PM her your phone number, let's get it organized. I will post some of the speculation on physical locations....
We really don't need phone #'s...just need 1-2 people to step up and say 'I WILL DO IT'...LOL. Then we can give TIME/DATE where to meet and let LE know we are going out...see if they prefer to supervise or what.....any body researched S&R in that area? Are there any volunteer orgs like CUE or Project Jason......I think people would come out if someone would just start it.
This isn't that hard. IMO, fwiw.
Believe, who was the S&R dogs from AL that offered to come help us a couple of times? She worked for AL EMT if I recall...she had dogs in training, and one trained, Dusty? They contacted us through myspace to help in Monica's Bowie's search....do you remember?
I wonder how LE feels about TES coming in to search ponds....LE or family has to make that request...isn't there a pond in the apt complex she supposedly was leaving Caylee w/nanny?
someone made mention of a dam in the area of that blanchard park and that the water was fast running. what about along some river or creek. she could have tried putting her in water.
Nedthan Johns
07-29-2008, 04:12 PM
Most bodies are recovered with a 5 mile radius of where they are missing. start close move outward, keep a grid. I was part of the search team efforts to recover the body of Danielle VanDam. She was found less then 2 miles from where were were searching. It's seems frutle and overwhelming when you are out there. But the Laura Recovery search team found her. They were very well organized. The fact that a shovel was borrowed from the neighbors indicates the Caylee was buried. Look for soft soil, shallow grave. Most likely this place is going to be within easy access from a road or not far from it. Carrying dead weight even that of a child would get difficult after a time. She shouldn't be far from a road or where a car could get to.
christine2448
07-29-2008, 04:13 PM
No no no no...this is NOT in Blanchard Park. Two TOTALLY different places about 15 minutes from each other. This was just an area I noted that has a lot of woods and its near their home. Lee Vista is a road and they are currently extending it to reach Alafaya trail. I was saying there are A LOT of places around here...it's really hard to narrow a search.
But you also have the landfill on Dean Road...also not too far from the Anthony's.
There is a large patch of woods on Econlockhatchee Trail...not too far from their home
I mean seriously...the list goes on and on if you want to include where she has been.
Just because we are overwhelmed with the possibilities of where she could be doesn't mean sit idol. I like your idea about the receips!
Bodies are usually found close. Start most likely closest to GM's and work out.
Salem
07-29-2008, 04:47 PM
Most bodies are recovered with a 5 mile radius of where they are missing. start close move outward, keep a grid. I was part of the search team efforts to recover the body of Danielle VanDam. She was found less then 2 miles from where were were searching. It's seems frutle and overwhelming when you are out there. But the Laura Recovery search team found her. They were very well organized. The fact that a shovel was borrowed from the neighbors indicates the Caylee was buried. Look for soft soil, shallow grave. Most likely this place is going to be within easy access from a road or not far from it. Carrying dead weight even that of a child would get difficult after a time. She shouldn't be far from a road or where a car could get to.
This is good stuff Nedthan. Working from this.... she borrowed the shovel and had it how long? Estimate an hour (I think the neighbor said) to an hour and 1/2. Big Question here - did she leave the house at ALL before she returned the shovel? If not then it would be very difficult to figure out how far she drove. If so, then figure 1/2 to 3/4 hours to put Caylee in the trunk, 5-10 mins to drive to new spot, another 1/2 to 3/4 to rebury Caylee. She couldn't have gone far.....
They have searched the GG's parents property, so she is not there, but it appears that she was. Tying down the date that Casey borrowed the shovel is key here. The car was abandoned on June 27th. So there are 2 or 3 days - 24th to the 27th in which Casey could have driven anywhere. Trying to narrow this down will be difficult, but not impossible.
Salem
Salem
07-29-2008, 04:49 PM
Further thought - what day were the gas cans taken? The 24th right? That means there are 3 days unaccounted for, providing she borrowed the shovel on the 24th also.
Salem
Nedthan Johns
07-29-2008, 05:11 PM
we also know the neighbors saw her back her car up to the garage. So most likely Caylee was dead at the Grandparents house. When were they out of town, or were they? It would be important to know how long Casey borrowed that shovel for.
Stoelly
07-29-2008, 05:12 PM
For all you sleuths out there, check out the time line. My gut is telling me that Caylee went missing around the 24th. (Missing gas cans and borrowed shovel) Where was Casey at that time? Go to white pages dot com and try typing in the addresses of where casey was. You can then click on an ariel view where you can see trees and water . . . just a thought but I am a visual person, and this would give me ideas where to look. (I would help but live in Michigan)
mom_of_five
07-29-2008, 05:20 PM
Count me in. I'm on the west coast, but I'll absolutely drive to Orlando to help. Our family has helped in several missing person searches.
Stoelly
07-29-2008, 05:21 PM
Also, you should use the evidence of maggots and and strong odor in your sleuthing. FYI
Whether the death scene is in an enclosed building or in an exposed outdoor setting, bodies that are unattended after death quickly attract blowflies and other arthropods. Female blowflies are known for their keen ability to detect the odor of decomposition within minutes after death, a trait that has afforded them an ecological advantage in the competition for food sources. Throughout the process of decomposition, blowflies are quickly followed by a complex of arthropod and mammalian colonizers that compete in time and space for their portion of an extremely ephemeral food source. Left unchecked, a body in a temperate outdoor setting can be reduced to mere bones in just a few days so it is extremely important for the female blowflies to locate the body as quickly as possible. It is with this knowledge that forensic entomology finds its basis.
This was taken from this website, very insightful!
http://www.forensicflies.com/class5.htm
mom_of_five
07-29-2008, 05:26 PM
Anyone interested in searching for Caylee on the premise that she's ALIVE? I realize the evidence appears to be mounting against the idea, but being a mother of five, I just don't know if I can search for a dead baby...
MomOfECS
07-29-2008, 05:32 PM
Anyone interested in searching for Caylee on the premise that she's ALIVE? I realize the evidence appears to be mounting against the idea, but being a mother of five, I just don't know if I can search for a dead baby...
I totally understand what you are saying, I would love to find Caylee alive but I have a 2 year old and I know that there is no way I could handle living with the image of a dead 2 year old, that is why I have not volunteered to search.
Stoelly
07-29-2008, 05:46 PM
Did Amy and Ricardo see Caylee the 16th of June? Supposedly they were all partying together? Is this when Casey said she was with the Nanny at the beach? This would've given her time to think about where she was going to move the body - from the parents backyard to ????? (all speculation or out loud wondering?)
d99gr81
07-30-2008, 10:40 AM
Does anyone think that this is just a big game and that she is trying to keep Caylee away from Cindy?
mom_of_five
07-30-2008, 10:47 AM
Does anyone think that this is just a big game and that she is trying to keep Caylee away from Cindy?
I vote a great big YEP.
lookieloo
07-30-2008, 04:20 PM
Most bodies are recovered with a 5 mile radius of where they are missing. start close move outward, keep a grid. I was part of the search team efforts to recover the body of Danielle VanDam. She was found less then 2 miles from where were were searching. It's seems frutle and overwhelming when you are out there. But the Laura Recovery search team found her. They were very well organized. The fact that a shovel was borrowed from the neighbors indicates the Caylee was buried. Look for soft soil, shallow grave. Most likely this place is going to be within easy access from a road or not far from it. Carrying dead weight even that of a child would get difficult after a time. She shouldn't be far from a road or where a car could get to.
I totally agree with this. Start the search "close to home" to quote Casey.
Personally, I think she put Caylee's body in a trash bag with other trash and then in a dumpster she knew would be dumped ASAP. And I wonder why she didn't report the car stolen?
Salem
07-30-2008, 10:22 PM
Did Amy and Ricardo see Caylee the 16th of June? Supposedly they were all partying together? Is this when Casey said she was with the Nanny at the beach? This would've given her time to think about where she was going to move the body - from the parents backyard to ????? (all speculation or out loud wondering?)
I would think think that Casey would have had Caylee there when the grandparents were not home. Sometime between June 22 at 6:00 p.m. to June 24th at 11:00 a.m. The same period of time the gas was stolen.
Soooo if something happened to Caylee before the June 22nd, than Casey had to keep her somewhere - maybe the trunk, between June 16th to the 22nd? That's a long time..... :confused:
If Caylee was at the grandparents during this time, how would Casey have gotten her there without the grandparents noticing something? Cindy was asking to talk to Caylee on almost a daily basis. Unless, Casey hid Caylee while the Grandparents were at work?
I too am just "typing" out loud here. The timeline is a problem because of the hugh time span.
If we believe Casey's 31 days - that does take us to June 16th, right. So she did something with the baby on June 16th and was ready to party by June 20th. Was she staying with Tony at this point or still at Amy's?
Salem
txsvicki
07-30-2008, 11:12 PM
I'm getting a little confused with dates, but the DJ said Casey was at the boyfriend's the last couple weeks of June. Could Caylee be around there? Could Caylee have been in the trunk for two weeks?
TGIRecovered
07-30-2008, 11:26 PM
Posted on the media thread by Patience:Family of Missing Toddler Caylee Anthony Mum on TV Reports of New Concrete Slab in Yard
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390054,00.html
The family of an Orlando toddler missing for more than a month won't answer questions about a tip that a new concrete slab was poured in the grandparents' backyard over July 4 weekend, shortly before they reported the child missing.
AZ.Storm
07-31-2008, 02:07 PM
I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but why not at least try Bella Vida Blvd. in Orlando. Casey got that tattoo to remind her of her daughter, so maybe there is a reason?
krimekat
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
What on Earth are they waiting for to dig up the concrete behind the grandparents' house?
There is no concrete slab back there. That was a false report by another station. A spokesperson for the sheriff's office says there are brick pavers, and the k-9 unit would easily have sniffed something if there was something to sniff. No plans to go back to that house.
krimekat
07-31-2008, 04:24 PM
I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but why not at least try Bella Vida Blvd. in Orlando. Casey got that tattoo to remind her of her daughter, so maybe there is a reason?
AWESEME insight:clap:
With it tatooed on her body, Casey should remember that "lie"
websurfer
07-31-2008, 06:28 PM
:waitasec:
I had a thought that Casey had Caylee in Amy's car the car she barrowed for a week while Amy was on a week's vacation.
the car she picked Amy up at the airport in.
has that car been checked by dogs for the body smell also?
she could have switched Caylee to that car then did something with her?
ShinaLite
07-31-2008, 10:54 PM
I live in Tampa...about an hour and a half away...
I really don't know what I can do but have decided I will take a drive over to Orlando this Saturday.
I can poke around Blanchard Park or any place else anyone thinks would be good to check out...
I also took note of Christine's last post and found the website of Lighting the Way Home..I will register with thier forum and let them know I am availiable to participate in any searches they conduct in this case in the near future...( or any other, god forbid, in my area)
I am new at this...so unsure exactly WHAT to do...but feel like I need and can do more...
so about Saturday!??...any suggestions are welcomed...
christine2448
07-31-2008, 11:37 PM
I live in Tampa...about an hour and a half away...
I really don't know what I can do but have decided I will take a drive over to Orlando this Saturday.
I can poke around Blanchard Park or any place else anyone thinks would be good to check out...
I also took note of Christine's last post and found the website of Lighting the Way Home..I will register with thier forum and let them know I am availiable to participate in any searches they conduct in this case in the near future...( or any other, god forbid, in my area)
I am new at this...so unsure exactly WHAT to do...but feel like I need and can do more...
so about Saturday!??...any suggestions are welcomed...
Thank you..LTWH is revamping...we will be moving here...your support is well received...I'll be in touch ;)
christine2448
07-31-2008, 11:39 PM
I live in Tampa...about an hour and a half away...
I really don't know what I can do but have decided I will take a drive over to Orlando this Saturday.
I can poke around Blanchard Park or any place else anyone thinks would be good to check out...
I also took note of Christine's last post and found the website of Lighting the Way Home..I will register with thier forum and let them know I am availiable to participate in any searches they conduct in this case in the near future...( or any other, god forbid, in my area)
I am new at this...so unsure exactly WHAT to do...but feel like I need and can do more...
so about Saturday!??...any suggestions are welcomed...
We may need ya if LE answers us and gives us some direction!
krimekat
08-01-2008, 12:46 AM
:waitasec:
I had a thought that Casey had Caylee in Amy's car the car she barrowed for a week while Amy was on a week's vacation.
the car she picked Amy up at the airport in.
has that car been checked by dogs for the body smell also?
she could have switched Caylee to that car then did something with her?
So, after running her parents' car out of gas and hitched a rid with Tony, she drove Amy's car while in PR (when was this?)
Salem
08-01-2008, 01:19 AM
Another thought.....
If the abandoned car was truely out of gas (and only if) and she stold approximately $50.00 of gas from the shed - that means she had about 10 gallons of gas (2 - five gallon cans), depending on prices in Florida. Assuming she had 2-4 gallons of gas left in the car, how far could that take her and result in her ending up out of gas at the check cashing place? If her car got 25 mpg highway and 20 city, she could have gone between 240-300 miles. That's a long way..... Hmmmm, I was hoping it would break down smaller :)
Okay - time to look up the car and see what the actual gas mileage is reported to be......
Salem
InsomniacWoman
08-01-2008, 07:42 PM
This is great. I wish I lived in, or even near, florida to help. Even if you can only get a small handfull of people, try to get it noticed by the media...the locals will see it and want to help.
Same here, I'm in Texas, but this is an excellent idea!
passin_through
08-01-2008, 07:51 PM
I would be willing to help search but I'm not so sure the date I could start would be of help. My step children are flying in this coming Monday and I wouldn't be able to leave town until the 16th of Aug. If there is a search after Aug 16th and the case is still unresolved, then yes, I will be there. If there is a search in the timeframe I am unable to be there then I will contribute in ways needed. Water? bug spray? ...whatever. I will watch the thread for further info. Thank you.
InsomniacWoman
08-01-2008, 07:52 PM
....
We partner with the crime board Websleuths.com and have found a number of great pieces of data regarding possible locations on the very active Caylee Anthony forum. If there is an area where we can bring together a group of volunteers and grid search, we would like to do it. If you think there would be value to posting fliers in Blanchard Park and some of the other gathering places in the area, we can do that to. Our resources are limited, but at your disposal.
and contact info given....
Excellent letter, Christine! I too hope and pray that they respond ((hugs))
txsvicki
08-01-2008, 10:37 PM
Another thought.....
If the abandoned car was truely out of gas (and only if) and she stold approximately $50.00 of gas from the shed - that means she had about 10 gallons of gas (2 - five gallon cans), depending on prices in Florida. Assuming she had 2-4 gallons of gas left in the car, how far could that take her and result in her ending up out of gas at the check cashing place? If her car got 25 mpg highway and 20 city, she could have gone between 240-300 miles. That's a long way..... Hmmmm, I was hoping it would break down smaller :)
Okay - time to look up the car and see what the actual gas mileage is reported to be......
Salem
I've asked before, but I wonder if Caylee could have been in the trunk of that car from the 16th through to the day it was ditched at the check cashing place. Casey supposedly went jogging, so she could have taken the vehicle somewhere she wouldn't have looked out of place or have been like other criminals who have gone back to the place they placed a body.
believe09
08-01-2008, 11:50 PM
Someone mentioned that a media group was in Blanchard Park today trying to follow up a story on whether or not Casey was sited there....hmmmm what a great Idea, lol!!!
lv2bgoing
08-04-2008, 12:26 AM
Do you think she could of put her in a stroller and took her through the park and no one would of thought anything about her in a stroller. Could of burried the child and then went back to the car put the stroller in the car acted like she had a child in a blanket and then just drove off put the stroller in the dumpter? This could explain that you really need to check all the parks in the area near the home.
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 12:55 AM
I'm in...
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 12:56 AM
I've asked before, but I wonder if Caylee could have been in the trunk of that car from the 16th through to the day it was ditched at the check cashing place. Casey supposedly went jogging, so she could have taken the vehicle somewhere she wouldn't have looked out of place or have been like other criminals who have gone back to the place they placed a body.
Econ Trail is where you go to jog.... heavily wooded...
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 12:59 AM
Right near goldenrod and sr-50 just south of amscot there is a little pathway that leads to a retention pond... she would of been driving from her parents north to winter park... maybe anthony's house... I've seen many possible areas that I am afraid to search alone... why don't we get together and search all these areas... we should assemble a list of possible places and expand from their....
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 01:04 AM
Do you think she could of put her in a stroller and took her through the park and no one would of thought anything about her in a stroller. Could of burried the child and then went back to the car put the stroller in the car acted like she had a child in a blanket and then just drove off put the stroller in the dumpter? This could explain that you really need to check all the parks in the area near the home.
That's an interesting theory... I would say there are many ways to not get noticed... most people don't pay attention to details... I saw somewhere a mom who walked around with a stroller for days saying that her baby was in there.... and the baby was either dead, missing, something... I can't remember... I will try to think about it....
lv2bgoing
08-04-2008, 01:13 AM
You must live close by this area.? Is it a bad place to go into these area all by yourself?
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 10:00 AM
You must live close by this area.? Is it a bad place to go into these area all by yourself?
Contrary to what people want you to believe about Orlando, it is ridden with gang activity and we had over 100 murders last year which was a substantial increase from the year before. Our budget cuts have given less money to law enforcement. This area is not bad, but I don't want to go in a wooded area alone.
I am willing to go out with a minimum of 3-5 people. No less. Anyone willing to go.
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 10:02 AM
Contrary to what people want you to believe about Orlando, it is ridden with gang activity and we had over 100 murders last year which was a substantial increase from the year before. Our budget cuts have given less money to law enforcement. This area is not bad, but I don't want to go in a wooded area alone.
I am willing to go out with a minimum of 3-5 people. No less. Anyone willing to go.
It's also not the BEST area. It is still a lot better than Los Angeles.
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 10:04 AM
I live a half hour from the Anthony house and the site the vehicle was abandoned. With the permission of law enforcement which Christine has sent out and a few more people... we could definetely tread some ground and even knock on some doors in suspect areas.
Just the other day driving by I saw a vehicle backed up to a wooded lot that drove off immediately when a deputy started directing traffic for the Islamic Society.
ElizaAvalon
08-04-2008, 10:09 AM
I posted on the main discussion thread last night that I believe when Casey told her father "she's close" that she meant it literally.
I think they should check the wooded area behind the Anthony home, accessible via the right-of-way which runs directly behind the home, towards the body of water.
Just a hunch, but I do think she would put Caylee in a place she was familiar with.
FloridaKatz
08-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Jay Blanchard Park -
Greetings all, I am new to this forum, however have been following this case and checking all the forums on this case for a while as I am a local here in Central Florida. There were earlier posts regarding Jay Blanchard Park, so I thought I might chip in my 2 cents worth about this park.
My husband and I used to love to ride our bikes through Jay Blanchard Park in the early 90's and in 2003 when we lived in Orlando (living over near Cocoa Beach now). The park has a nature trail that runs through it, which allows bicyclers, roller bladers, runners and so on to share the trail. The trail also has a park like section where you can feed the ducks/birds, and they also have what I refer to as a human agility section, where you can go through this agility course for workout purposes. The trail runs along the Little Econolokhatchee river which runs throughout the far eastern side of Orlando. The Econ river has a small rain "runoff" waterfall, which could be what one earlier poster saw on Google Maps.
The only problem I see with Casey potentially putting Caylee somewhere in this park is that the park runs along side a couple of main roads (Hwy 50 and Dean Road) so there would be a lot of traffic who would see her if she was doing something suspicious, and then also the park is used by a lot of people (or it was in the past anyway). If she put her in the water then I think she would have surfaced by now. A 35 lb. body being pushed down a rain swollen river surely would have surfaced by now.
Regarding this park and something to think about though is that over the past couple of years and on 2 separate occasions, 2 young girls in their early 20's were found murdered in this same park. The killer either killed them in the park, or used the park as a "dumping ground". It's been all over the local news here for the past couple of years, so that could have given Casey and idea of where to dump a body. Plus it's not that far from her house.
Another poster had mentioned something about Casey possibly putting Caley in a dumpster in or near her boyfriend's apartment. I got to thinking about that post, and turns out there is a fairly good size outdoor mall that is not too far from Caley's house that has dumpsters all along the back side of the mall for the retailers to use. It would not have been difficult at all for her to put her in one of those, like on the morning the trash is scheduled for pick up. She lives in the area so surely she knows what day the trash runs....
If any posters on this forum have any questions regarding the local layout, parks, roads, etc., then please let me know and I'll do my best to answer your questions.
christine2448
08-04-2008, 11:21 AM
Please read: TIA
Hi Everyone,
The Caylee forum is the most rockin' forum on Websleuths now. Congratulations, your sleuthing and ability to find information and to bring it here is incredible.
As Websleuths owner I must tell you that if any of the members here plan to physically search for Caylee you are doing it on your own and not on behalf of Websleuths.
There are two reasons I am telling you this. First, in our litigious society I have to post this disclaimer, second, if anyone goes out on their own to do something and law enforcement asks why you are doing this you cannot say, "I'm with Websleuths" or anything along that line.
Now, if you are with an organized search one put together by an actual search organization with the blessing of law enforcement then I would encourage you to get involved.
I can't encourage you or suggest to you to go out on your own and do anything related to his case in any way.
Now, I know posters on other cases have met up with each other, taken pictures of crime scene locations and such. That's great. It can be fun and you are allowed to post pictures and such but just remember, it's on your own.
Of course you can do what ever you want but please remember it is on your own and by your own choice.
Thanks,
Tricia
lv2bgoing
08-04-2008, 11:41 AM
if i were in orlando I would diffently go with who ever would want to search for her. THis story has really gotten to me.
believe09
08-04-2008, 12:54 PM
I left a message for Det. Melich letting him know that there are locals available to participate in searches should they need warm bodies. I left my contact information and I will let you know when I hear anything!!!
Nedthan Johns
08-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Yes Casey's continued comments that Caylee is close, raises flags for me. If she truly was abducted and Casey spent 31 days searching for her in clubs and around town and came up empty handed, how then can Caylee still be close? Unless mommy knows exactly where she is at?
Nedthan Johns
08-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Now I don't pay a whole lot of attention to psychics. Just not my thing, but if you all remember Sandy the psychic in the Peterson case contacted me in hopes I would listen to her about where Lacy was dumped. Turned out she was right. She had also contacted Lacy's mother who in her book mentioned the psychic and her accuracy. This person in the below website is using a similar method. Someone may have posted this link prior, but I just found it yesterday. But regardless if whether one might believe in psychic's the map he has given is accurate in terms of convenience, the time it would take to dispose of the body and using by researching other crimes, where most bodies are disposed of within 5-10 miles of where they were abducted or murdered. None the less it's a great map with lots of detail
http://****************.com/gale/Caylee%20Anthony.htm
websurfer
08-04-2008, 05:05 PM
Now I don't pay a whole lot of attention to psychics. Just not my thing, but if you all remember Sandy the psychic in the Peterson case contacted me in hopes I would listen to her about where Lacy was dumped. Turned out she was right. She had also contacted Lacy's mother who in her book mentioned the psychic and her accuracy. This person in the below website is using a similar method. Someone may have posted this link prior, but I just found it yesterday. But regardless if whether one might believe in psychic's the map he has given is accurate in terms of convenience, the time it would take to dispose of the body and using by researching other crimes, where most bodies are disposed of within 5-10 miles of where they were abducted or murdered. None the less it's a great map with lots of detail
http://****************.com/gale/Caylee%20Anthony.htm
I still can't find Tony's aprtment address or area in general
anybody know it?
Firesweep
08-04-2008, 09:23 PM
Jay Blanchard Park -
Greetings all, I am new to this forum, however have been following this case and checking all the forums on this case for a while as I am a local here in Central Florida. There were earlier posts regarding Jay Blanchard Park, so I thought I might chip in my 2 cents worth about this park.
My husband and I used to love to ride our bikes through Jay Blanchard Park in the early 90's and in 2003 when we lived in Orlando (living over near Cocoa Beach now). The park has a nature trail that runs through it, which allows bicyclers, roller bladers, runners and so on to share the trail. The trail also has a park like section where you can feed the ducks/birds, and they also have what I refer to as a human agility section, where you can go through this agility course for workout purposes. The trail runs along the Little Econolokhatchee river which runs throughout the far eastern side of Orlando. The Econ river has a small rain "runoff" waterfall, which could be what one earlier poster saw on Google Maps.
The only problem I see with Casey potentially putting Caylee somewhere in this park is that the park runs along side a couple of main roads (Hwy 50 and Dean Road) so there would be a lot of traffic who would see her if she was doing something suspicious, and then also the park is used by a lot of people (or it was in the past anyway). If she put her in the water then I think she would have surfaced by now. A 35 lb. body being pushed down a rain swollen river surely would have surfaced by now.
Regarding this park and something to think about though is that over the past couple of years and on 2 separate occasions, 2 young girls in their early 20's were found murdered in this same park. The killer either killed them in the park, or used the park as a "dumping ground". It's been all over the local news here for the past couple of years, so that could have given Casey and idea of where to dump a body. Plus it's not that far from her house.
Another poster had mentioned something about Casey possibly putting Caley in a dumpster in or near her boyfriend's apartment. I got to thinking about that post, and turns out there is a fairly good size outdoor mall that is not too far from Caley's house that has dumpsters all along the back side of the mall for the retailers to use. It would not have been difficult at all for her to put her in one of those, like on the morning the trash is scheduled for pick up. She lives in the area so surely she knows what day the trash runs....
If any posters on this forum have any questions regarding the local layout, parks, roads, etc., then please let me know and I'll do my best to answer your questions.
I also live near Cocoa Beach. I have said in previous posts... if you look where Casey dumped her car... a block north on Goldenrod there is an entry way to that nature trail... and remember... most people that are murdered are found very close to the highway. This is not uncommon in muder cases.
Bobby62
08-04-2008, 11:44 PM
Contrary to what people want you to believe about Orlando, it is ridden with gang activity and we had over 100 murders last year which was a substantial increase from the year before. Our budget cuts have given less money to law enforcement. This area is not bad, but I don't want to go in a wooded area alone.
I am willing to go out with a minimum of 3-5 people. No less. Anyone willing to go.
I'll be your Huckleberry.
FloridaKatz
08-05-2008, 08:19 AM
I also live near Cocoa Beach. I have said in previous posts... if you look where Casey dumped her car... a block north on Goldenrod there is an entry way to that nature trail... and remember... most people that are murdered are found very close to the highway. This is not uncommon in muder cases.
you are absolutely right about that entryway to the trail off Goldenrod. I would also agree that if you were to dump a body, you would do it in a place that is familiar to you, within 5 or so miles from your "home base".
websurfer
08-05-2008, 10:58 AM
http://maps.live.com/#JmJiPTI4LjQ5MzM3NzgzMTE2MzElN2UtODEuMjQ2NTk5MTQyO TQxJTdlMjguNDc0MDY0MjQzMjMyOSU3ZS04MS4yNzU4OTQzNDY wNTgy
please type in FLORENCE HARBOR ROAD ORLANDO FLORIDA then zoom and find HOPESPRING drive also you will be able to trun the map and see backyard & other features with this map.
It also has a street view feature.
I saw in an earlier GOOGLE map that the Anthony's did not have that brick patio back there, the satellite pic must have been taken much earlier than last year?Or this year?
This does show more stuff in the back yard though.
She says she is "CLOSE TO HOME' so those woods on FLORENCE HARBOR are pretty close.
rozey
08-05-2008, 03:59 PM
"" #128 Today, 01:31 PM
josephsjordansr
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 88
So basically there was LE all over the place where you were? Helicopters also????
Yes.... 1 helicotper... and 5 deputies... there is also a cemetary in the area.... chapel hilll.....
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rl...num=1&ct=image ""
I posted this elsewhere but thought maybe it belonged here. Was wondering if there were any fresh graves at Chapel Hill Cemetary during the time of Cayle's disappearance. This would be an easy dig and also no one would have noticed since the earth would have been disturbed anyways.
Firesweep
08-05-2008, 06:45 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=hopespring+drive+(Anthony+House)&daddr=Goldenrod+Road+%26+SR-50+(Amscot)+to:Tech+Dr+%4028.582882,+-81.270382+to:Harrell+Rd+%4028.568581,+-81.269463+to:5303+East+COLONIAL+DRIVE,+orlando,+fl +(Mike's+Tatoo+Parlor)+to:6100+Oleander+Dr,+orland o,+fl+(Colonial+High+School)+to:1168+Bella+Vida,+O rlando,+FL+(Bella+Vida)+to:Young+Pine+Landfill,+Or lando,+FL+to:12281+University+Blvd,+Orlando,+FL+32 817+(Fusian)+to:Sawgrass+apartments,+orlando,+fl+t o:6000+Universal+Boulevard,+Orlando,+FL+32819+(Uni versal+Studios+Florida)&hl=en&geocode=3076033575348502822,28.582882,-81.270382%3B12445179752420572772,28.568581,-81.269463%3B11487598785147372787,28.476329,-81.462523&mra=pe&mrcr=9&sll=28.526019,-81.312561&sspn=0.434968,0.615234&ie=UTF8&ll=28.571407,-81.272564&spn=0.027174,0.038452&t=h&z=15
A: Anthony House
B: Amscot where the car was found abandoned
C: Corner of a boxed in area that was searched 8/5
D: 3 Deputies near a mobile home park north of sr-50 3 lots up near a vacant lot
E: Tattoo Parlor of Mike
F: Colonial High School
G: Bella Vida
H: Young Pine Landfill
I: Fusian
J: Sawgrass Apartments where Casey claims to have dropped off Caley
K: Universal Studios
PLEASE ADD TO THIS AS YOU PLEASE... ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ADD A DESTINATION, THEN CLICK ON GET DIRECTIONS, THEN CLICK ON LINK... I will look for a better map plotting program we can all use in the meantime...
Firesweep
08-05-2008, 06:49 PM
I would like to have added the following addresses:
1. Anthony Lazzarro
2. Ricardo Morales
3. Amy
4. house where Amy and Casey rented but never moved into....
5. Any other friends that may be of interest (I think they are all of interest and more pressure should be put on them.
6. Lee's Address (since the myspace comments were deleted and he had access to the passwords)
believe09
08-06-2008, 10:06 AM
I took this quote from the Greta transcripts:
"Again, she's maintained all along that she doesn't know the physical whereabouts where Caylee's at. She knows who has her, who's responsible for taking her, but she does not know the physical whereabouts."
This is a quote from Cindy Anthony. If you take this as their typical code, then I believe that Caylee is in a body of water or a landfill, because if it is a moving body of water or a landfill, then Casey would technically not know the "actual" location of her daughter.
Joe, if you or any of the other locals are reading-what moving bodies of water are within the blue square you marked out yesterday? Otherwise, I would say they should be checking the landfill that was pointed out to be in the area.
I am talking to myself on the general discussion thread so I thought I would move this here!!!
Firesweep
08-07-2008, 10:36 AM
There is a small stream in a wooded area that then goes under a bridge on bates road and then into private property.... We used to go there to hang out when we were teenagers... NO ONE ever goes back in those woods... it's behind an "Asian" church and on the other side is a cemetary.... It is basically a moving stream that moves southwest.... very good place to dump a body because NO ONE ever goes in that area... and it is a couple of blocks north on goldenrod or you can get to the area with a little bit of a hike from SR-50.... so outside of the blue box just east of goldenrod and east of sr-417 is a post office and behind there is the ECON trail with a park and the Econolochahatchee (I'm sure I didn't spell that right) river.... which I think flows south into wetlands south of sr-528.... WHICH IS HEAVILY COVERED IN BRUSH AND WOODS.... if you were to even try to look you would be walking through murky cypress tree water which would require professionals.... there are alligators and all types of people... I want to make note that alligators supposedly will not eat a dead body... they only go after live prey from what I understand....
Sleuthster
08-07-2008, 10:59 AM
If the scenario is true that some have posted on here, ie;she drowned,casey paniced, went to sawgrass apartments and pretended to be Zenaida to make it seem like there was really a Zenaida, then one must think like Casey would possibly think in this state of mind.
She was working on the premise that Zenaida had Caylee and did something to her or was neglegant and let her wander off and drown in lake or pool at complex.
So where would she put the body? Next to Sawgrass apartments. It makes sense. This is the only place that she tried to tie in Zenaida having Caylee at. So she concocted a story that Zenaida was watching Caylee, never returned her, went to the apartment with the police as a witness that apartment was vacant as if Zenaida left town suddenly. Figured they would search perimiter of apartment complex, find body, and look for this Zenaida as perp.
Meanwhile she did not think that, police would contact Sawgrass management, find out Zenaida never lived there, do dna on car (she probably thought it would get stolen), she would get arrested, and they would find out she was out partying it up instead of her story that she was out looking for Caylee.
If I where LE I would look in vicenity of Sawgrass apartments. If you think like a 23 yo party girl who panics and is really bad at covering up things I think you will see that this makes sense.
karen7868
08-07-2008, 11:18 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned. At work and just getting to pop in for a minute.
I feel like the Sawgrass apts. are significant for some reason. Maybe Casey really had looked at apts. there before and that is how she came up with the idea. A lot of apartments now require credit checks, hence the reason she had made up the name of Zaneida.
Anyoo, looking at the Sawgrass apts. website, there are pictures of a lake/pond behind them. Does anyone know the name of this lake/pond?
Or, where was one of Casey's favorite places to go?
I may be way off base, but anything to try to find this baby girl.
karen7868
08-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Oh, I just had one more thought (there's something about these Sawgrass apts. that's getting me, I don't know why).
Do you think Casey did have an affair with someone that was married and maybe he rented an apt. at Sawgrass and used at as their love nest/home?
This could be why Casey is saying Caylee is "close to home".
I noticed on the SA website, it has something listed under amenities about "military moving clause". It must be close to a base.
I think it was mentioned that she could have had an affair and got pregnant with Casey with someone in the military. She had dog tags on in several pictures and there was also the picture of Caley with a camoflauge hat on.
believe09
08-07-2008, 01:00 PM
There is a small stream in a wooded area that then goes under a bridge on bates road and then into private property.... We used to go there to hang out when we were teenagers... NO ONE ever goes back in those woods... it's behind an "Asian" church and on the other side is a cemetary.... It is basically a moving stream that moves southwest.... very good place to dump a body because NO ONE ever goes in that area... and it is a couple of blocks north on goldenrod or you can get to the area with a little bit of a hike from SR-50.... so outside of the blue box just east of goldenrod and east of sr-417 is a post office and behind there is the ECON trail with a park and the Econolochahatchee (I'm sure I didn't spell that right) river.... which I think flows south into wetlands south of sr-528.... WHICH IS HEAVILY COVERED IN BRUSH AND WOODS.... if you were to even try to look you would be walking through murky cypress tree water which would require professionals.... there are alligators and all types of people... I want to make note that alligators supposedly will not eat a dead body... they only go after live prey from what I understand....
Thanks, Joe! PSST-Detective Melich, if you are reading here, perhaps this is worth a shot! We are ready and willing to help and you have my contact information to vet whether or not the non profit I mentioned is legit.:rolleyes:
christine2448
08-07-2008, 01:28 PM
Maybe she, God forbid, put her somewhere in an apt there at sawgrass....they should check all vacant apts, laundry rooms, lakes, pool houses, weight rooms, closets.....EVERYWHERE! Under/Behind/In. There are so many places you could 'fit' this tiny girl. I shudder at just saying it.
believe09
08-07-2008, 01:31 PM
Maybe she, God forbid, put her somewhere in an apt there at sawgrass....they should check all vacant apts, laundry rooms, lakes, pool houses, weight rooms, closets.....EVERYWHERE! Under/Behind/In. There are so many places you could 'fit' this tiny girl. I shudder at just saying it.
Absolutely-I still wonder if there was a cooler missing from the vehicle....
Patience
08-07-2008, 03:40 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-marie-anthony-missing-080708,0,6875714.story
Officials said divers will be searching waterways in east Orange County near the home where missing toddler once lived. They did not specify the areas, but said it would be near the Anthony home.
The dive has nothing to do with the missing child case, but is a scheduled dive training exercise, Deputy Carlos Padilla said this morning.
"Nothing has led us to believe [Caylee] would be in the water," Padilla said. Detectives do not have specific information about where 2-year-old Caylee Anthony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/caylee-anthony-PECLB004332.topic) could be, but remain hopeful that she is alive.
Carpe Pacem
08-07-2008, 07:01 PM
There was another heartbreaking missing two-year-old case in my city a while back. He supposedly disappeared while his mom's boyfriend turned his back in a park to get a drink of water. Law enforcement had reason to believe he had been killed by the boyfriend and placed in a dumpster. A meticulous search was conducted at the landfill, to no avail. To this day, this poor little guy hasn't been found.
I'm thinking that if that's where Baby Caylee is, all the lies and confusion are deliberate, in order to buy time. More time, more deterioration of remains.
You Websleuthers are awesome!
CASuzk
08-07-2008, 07:04 PM
There was another heartbreaking missing two-year-old case in my city a while back. He supposedly disappeared while his mom's boyfriend turned his back in a park to get a drink of water. Law enforcement had reason to believe he had been killed by the boyfriend and placed in a dumpster. A meticulous search was conducted at the landfill, to no avail. To this day, this poor little guy hasn't been found.
I'm thinking that if that's where Baby Caylee is, all the lies and confusion are deliberate, in order to buy time. More time, more deterioration of remains.
You Websleuthers are awesome!
Jahi Turner; I posted about that in another thread. The guy is under arrest right now for another murder.
Sparky
08-08-2008, 06:57 PM
I still can't find Tony's aprtment address or area in general
anybody know it?
IIRC His apt was Sutton Place on University Blvd. close to Goldenrod Rd. and not far from the Amscot.
believe09
08-09-2008, 10:26 AM
Bumping-any dirt from locals on whether or not the dive team pulled anything up??
Aleve N Fla
08-09-2008, 12:38 PM
The dive team pulled up three different stolen cars, no signs of Caylee in any of the ponds they searched in yesterday.
believe09
08-09-2008, 01:37 PM
The dive team pulled up three different stolen cars, no signs of Caylee in any of the ponds they searched in yesterday.
Thank you!
wallflower67
08-09-2008, 01:58 PM
There was another heartbreaking missing two-year-old case in my city a while back. He supposedly disappeared while his mom's boyfriend turned his back in a park to get a drink of water. Law enforcement had reason to believe he had been killed by the boyfriend and placed in a dumpster. A meticulous search was conducted at the landfill, to no avail. To this day, this poor little guy hasn't been found.
I'm thinking that if that's where Baby Caylee is, all the lies and confusion are deliberate, in order to buy time. More time, more deterioration of remains.
You Websleuthers are awesome!
We had one too, a few years back. Brendon Gonzalez (sp). The dad confessed to killing him and putting him a dumpster. I can't remember how long people---lots of volunteers---searched the landfill, but he was never found.
The dad was convicted.
I don't hold much hope of ever finding her if Caylee is in a landfill.
coltsgal
08-09-2008, 03:05 PM
so anyone that wants to kill someone, if they put the body in a landfill, they'll get away with it??
they need to regulate the landfills better then. i dont know how, but it obviusly needs to be done.
Love_Mama
08-09-2008, 03:35 PM
There was another heartbreaking missing two-year-old case in my city a while back. He supposedly disappeared while his mom's boyfriend turned his back in a park to get a drink of water. Law enforcement had reason to believe he had been killed by the boyfriend and placed in a dumpster. A meticulous search was conducted at the landfill, to no avail. To this day, this poor little guy hasn't been found.
I'm thinking that if that's where Baby Caylee is, all the lies and confusion are deliberate, in order to buy time. More time, more deterioration of remains.
You Websleuthers are awesome!
Carpe Pacem, Welcome to WS. I'st really is a great forum. I live in San Diego too...out here in La Jolla.
I think the child you're thinking about is dead. I don't for a minute think he's still alive. What a sad state of affairs huh! I know the exact location where he was taken because I used to play there as a child and I lived in Golden Hills.
xxxxxxxxxoooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:
Sparky
08-09-2008, 04:40 PM
I just asked my husband about the land fill here close to the Anthonys. I've never been. He said it is gated and they weigh your car or truck when you go in and then when you leave. This determines how much they charge you.
If it is household goods or bags of garbage you dump it in a dumpster there. If its larger items you go straight to the dump.
He feels that is is highly doubtful Casey would go there on her own.
He also says he sees wild hogs out there and if there were a body it wouldn't last long.
jmo
websurfer
08-09-2008, 06:55 PM
http://maps.live.com/?q=warren+park+road+florida&mkt=en-US&FORM=BYRE#JmJiPTI4LjQ3MjE1MzAxODMxNzMlN2UtODEuMzI2 MjQyMDkwMDE5NyU3ZTI4LjQ1MjgzOTQzMDM4NzElN2UtODEuMz U1NTMxNDEwNDI0Mg==
Warren park road/
Somebody mentioned
Seminole rd & a road or area about her Belle tattoo?
This is near
Belle isle
just the name belle and her tat Bella/
wanted to ask...
websurfer
08-09-2008, 09:08 PM
http://maps.live.com/?q=warren+park+road+florida&mkt=en-US&FORM=BYRE#JmJiPTI4LjQ3MjE1MzAxODMxNzMlN2UtODEuMzI2 MjQyMDkwMDE5NyU3ZTI4LjQ1MjgzOTQzMDM4NzElN2UtODEuMz U1NTMxNDEwNDI0Mg==
Warren park road/
Somebody mentioned
Seminole rd & a road or area about her Belle tattoo?
This is near
Belle isle
just the name belle and her tat Bella/
wanted to ask...
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=beautiful+life+plant+city+florida&fb=1&cid=12861008505606360543&li=lmd&z=14&t=m
This place is in Plant City florida
but it is called
"A Beautiful Life"
Not sure what it is really?
At first glance it looks like a housing area
then i do not know?
Anybody have a clue?
Since her tattoo says what it says and people are looking for possible locations ?
cluesplease
08-10-2008, 09:25 AM
I think she was dumped in the pond at Sawgrass.I hope LE searches there!
cindilou
08-10-2008, 09:32 AM
i think she is at sawgrass as well.. last place Casey says she left her. maybe she told the truth about that at least
Firesweep
08-10-2008, 09:52 AM
I drove through Belle Isle the other day and it is a HEAVILY populated area around Conway lake... it's possible... but there is no indication you are entering Belle Isle except if you look on a map... so I don't think the two are related...
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=beautiful+life+plant+city+florida&fb=1&cid=12861008505606360543&li=lmd&z=14&t=m
This place is in Plant City florida
but it is called
"A Beautiful Life"
Not sure what it is really?
At first glance it looks like a housing area
then i do not know?
Anybody have a clue?
Since her tattoo says what it says and people are looking for possible locations ?
coltsgal
08-10-2008, 06:49 PM
I just asked my husband about the land fill here close to the Anthonys. I've never been. He said it is gated and they weigh your car or truck when you go in and then when you leave. This determines how much they charge you.
If it is household goods or bags of garbage you dump it in a dumpster there. If its larger items you go straight to the dump.
He feels that is is highly doubtful Casey would go there on her own.
He also says he sees wild hogs out there and if there were a body it wouldn't last long.
jmo
wild hogs eat an entire body? bones and all?
ShinaLite
08-13-2008, 03:06 PM
VOLUNTEERS USE MESSAGE BOARD TO ORGANIZE SEARCH
A small group of volunteers used WFTV.com's message board to organize a search for Caylee Anthony. The volunteers were searching in Blanchard Park on the Econ Trail again Wednesday.
The volunteers were also at the park Tuesday and searched through wooded areas and under bridges along the trail. It's the same park where jogger Nicole Ganguzza was attacked and killed in June.
http://www.wftv.com:80/news/17180007/detail.html
manatee
08-13-2008, 03:32 PM
to go to the transfer stations or landfills you must show ID that you are a resident and that you pay for sewage at that location. It is part of your water/sewage bill. So if she went there she had to have this info...so I would rule that out. If she dump caylee she did it on a regular dumpster somewhere.
Chezhire
08-15-2008, 03:43 PM
Another thought.....
If the abandoned car was truely out of gas (and only if) and she stold approximately $50.00 of gas from the shed - that means she had about 10 gallons of gas (2 - five gallon cans), depending on prices in Florida. Assuming she had 2-4 gallons of gas left in the car, how far could that take her and result in her ending up out of gas at the check cashing place? If her car got 25 mpg highway and 20 city, she could have gone between 240-300 miles. That's a long way..... Hmmmm, I was hoping it would break down smaller :)
Okay - time to look up the car and see what the actual gas mileage is reported to be......
Salem
Salem - Did you ever get anything re: the car's reported mileage?
yosande
08-15-2008, 05:39 PM
If the scenario is true that some have posted on here, ie;she drowned,casey paniced, went to sawgrass apartments and pretended to be Zenaida to make it seem like there was really a Zenaida, then one must think like Casey would possibly think in this state of mind.
She was working on the premise that Zenaida had Caylee and did something to her or was neglegant and let her wander off and drown in lake or pool at complex.
So where would she put the body? Next to Sawgrass apartments. It makes sense. This is the only place that she tried to tie in Zenaida having Caylee at. So she concocted a story that Zenaida was watching Caylee, never returned her, went to the apartment with the police as a witness that apartment was vacant as if Zenaida left town suddenly. Figured they would search perimiter of apartment complex, find body, and look for this Zenaida as perp.
Meanwhile she did not think that, police would contact Sawgrass management, find out Zenaida never lived there, do dna on car (she probably thought it would get stolen), she would get arrested, and they would find out she was out partying it up instead of her story that she was out looking for Caylee.
If I where LE I would look in vicenity of Sawgrass apartments. If you think like a 23 yo party girl who panics and is really bad at covering up things I think you will see that this makes sense.
ok wait, I just had a thought! I'm not from Florida, but does anyone there know where sawgrass grows and is connected with the name Zenaida, or Zen, or Zanny as in a road, or lake, or pond, or whatever?
websurfer
08-15-2008, 06:19 PM
For those who think Caylee is still alive.
I highly am in favor of Bloodhounds or dogs trained to help find lost missing people.
Afterall the CADAVER dogs are being challenged now.
So bring in the ones who look for traces of people who have gone missing.
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 07:16 AM
We are searching everyday now. We have a group together. If you are interested in meeting up, let me know and we will give you location to meet. This is with the WFTV Message Board search team. E-mail me at joseph.jordan@josephsjordan.com and I will give you our meeting place.
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 02:26 PM
While searching today in Blanchard Park and Econ Soccer Facility, our team located 2 back packs and small childs clothing. Watch LOCAL 6 for more details as they were on site with us when Orange County came out.
Amberjack
08-16-2008, 02:33 PM
Did one if the backpacks have monkeys on it??!!
racegirl72
08-16-2008, 02:45 PM
While searching today in Blanchard Park and Econ Soccer Facility, our team located 2 back packs and small childs clothing. Watch LOCAL 6 for more details as they were on site with us when Orange County came out.
I dont see anything on channel 6 website yet.....what kind of small childs clothing, boy or girl clothes?
tttterri
08-16-2008, 02:54 PM
Thank you Joseph/// for the quick info. Can you please give us some details on the backpacks and clothing?
curiositycat
08-16-2008, 03:14 PM
While searching today in Blanchard Park and Econ Soccer Facility, our team located 2 back packs and small childs clothing. Watch LOCAL 6 for more details as they were on site with us when Orange County came out.
Hi there, wondered where you were, haven't seen you posting in days and you always have such updated local information!
housemouse
08-16-2008, 03:17 PM
Where do we find a link to local 6?
rozey
08-16-2008, 03:18 PM
Did one if the backpacks have monkeys on it??!!
When the monkey backpack was mentioned I assumed it was one of those backpacks that are used as a harness with a leash on them. My gson has one and it is actually the shape of a monkey. It looks like a stuffed animal. Does anyone know if this is correct?
racegirl72
08-16-2008, 03:18 PM
Where do we find a link to local 6?
http://www.local6.com/index.html
tttterri
08-16-2008, 03:18 PM
right here, but nothing on there yet.
http://www.local6.com/index.html
rozey
08-16-2008, 03:20 PM
right here, but nothing on there yet.
http://www.local6.com/index.html
TY. u r on the ball....... :clap:
TGIRecovered
08-16-2008, 03:20 PM
While searching today in Blanchard Park and Econ Soccer Facility, our team located 2 back packs and small childs clothing. Watch LOCAL 6 for more details as they were on site with us when Orange County came out.
I'm on pins and needles here JJ! When were the backpacks found? I'm not finding anything on the news sites yet. Can you give us anymore info?
Susan
sweetmop
08-16-2008, 03:21 PM
right here, but nothing on there yet.
http://www.local6.com/index.html
Thank you.:)
tttterri
08-16-2008, 03:21 PM
no im on pins and needles holding my breath to wait for joseph//// to give more details! could be nothing could be everything.
technicalconfusion
08-16-2008, 03:22 PM
Where do we find a link to local 6?
http://www.local6.com/news/
tttterri
08-16-2008, 03:28 PM
all i ever heard was gp saying her packpack had monkeys on it, no other details.
rozey
08-16-2008, 03:28 PM
While searching today in Blanchard Park and Econ Soccer Facility, our team located 2 back packs and small childs clothing. Watch LOCAL 6 for more details as they were on site with us when Orange County came out.
You guys are outstanding. Whether this turns out to be something or not, I give you and your team a standing ovation.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
tttterri
08-16-2008, 03:31 PM
I second that one rozey! These finds could be related to other cases if not to Caylee. I am glad josephsjordansr has been searching with others, I wish I was in the state and could help but I just have to keep sending her fliers all over the internet and sitting here.
racegirl72
08-16-2008, 03:32 PM
While searching today in Blanchard Park and Econ Soccer Facility, our team located 2 back packs and small childs clothing. Watch LOCAL 6 for more details as they were on site with us when Orange County came out.
Please don't drop this bomb then leave us all hanging!!!
Blink34
08-16-2008, 03:32 PM
Commending the locals for searching on their own.
racegirl72
08-16-2008, 03:35 PM
Commending the locals for searching on their own.
i 2nd that!
pinkhistorybuff
08-16-2008, 03:41 PM
What good work your group did! Even if you never found anything, I applaud all of the efforts of the locals! Thank you all for caring enough to do this.
kidz110
08-16-2008, 03:56 PM
josephsjordansr--thank you so much for the report and everything that you and the others are doing. I saw a news report about a group that was out searching. It said they had gotten together from communicating on a forum and I wondered if it was this forum they were talking about. Bless you guys for all of your efforts. :clap::clap::clap:
DeltaDawn
08-16-2008, 04:08 PM
Thank you Joseph and all locals who have been searching..god bless you all..can't wait to see the news tonight.
Coriess
08-16-2008, 04:10 PM
I am speechless!!! AMAZING WORK!
TGIRecovered
08-16-2008, 04:10 PM
I couldn't stand waiting, so I e-mailed josephsjordansr and asked him to please let us know something more. I'll let y'all know if he replies!
Susan
jinnimae
08-16-2008, 04:13 PM
FYI, from the Aug 5 search warrant, Caylee's backpack was white with monkeys on it.
Sadly, I think the fact that this area is around a soccer field tells us there may be lots of kids' things left behind.
manatee
08-16-2008, 04:14 PM
i hope this is not a hoax. I will start banging my head against the wall until someone throws me a bone :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
sleuthmommy
08-16-2008, 04:19 PM
It was posted on another blog that the backpacks they found were red and one with pink flowers on it.
Amberjack
08-16-2008, 04:26 PM
Which blog?
dkitty
08-16-2008, 04:29 PM
Which blog?
I was wondering the same thing..
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 05:22 PM
If the scenario is true that some have posted on here, ie;she drowned,casey paniced, went to sawgrass apartments and pretended to be Zenaida to make it seem like there was really a Zenaida, then one must think like Casey would possibly think in this state of mind.
She was working on the premise that Zenaida had Caylee and did something to her or was neglegant and let her wander off and drown in lake or pool at complex.
So where would she put the body? Next to Sawgrass apartments. It makes sense. This is the only place that she tried to tie in Zenaida having Caylee at. So she concocted a story that Zenaida was watching Caylee, never returned her, went to the apartment with the police as a witness that apartment was vacant as if Zenaida left town suddenly. Figured they would search perimiter of apartment complex, find body, and look for this Zenaida as perp.
Meanwhile she did not think that, police would contact Sawgrass management, find out Zenaida never lived there, do dna on car (she probably thought it would get stolen), she would get arrested, and they would find out she was out partying it up instead of her story that she was out looking for Caylee.
If I where LE I would look in vicenity of Sawgrass apartments. If you think like a 23 yo party girl who panics and is really bad at covering up things I think you will see that this makes sense.
Okay, I believe I read in another thread that Z. Gonzales (but not the same "ZG" who Casey left Caylee with) actually checked out the apartments at Sawgrass at one point in time? Is this true and on what date did this occur?
sleuthmommy
08-16-2008, 05:22 PM
Here is the quote from the other blog.
Orlresident Says:
August 16, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Just so all of you know, two backpacks were found at Jay Blanchard Park today. One was pink with flowers and one was red. This was posted at the Foxnews.com blog. Watch the news tonight for further updates!
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 05:34 PM
Also, do we know the address of the "wrong" ZG? And I am curious to how LE excluded her involvment...simply because she stated that she did not know the Anthonys?
For argument's sake(I don't really believe this happened)...CA and ZG agree that CA will say the last person she left Caylee with was ZG at Sawgrass, and that when confronted ZG will claim not to know the Anthony's and that CA would then claim that ZG was not the same ZG.
How common a name is ZG?
Blink34
08-16-2008, 05:40 PM
Im not sure we can post other blog links here, so I cut and pasted the info I believe you were referencing , you may want to edit your post or check with a mod. Thanks for posting.
<LI id=comment-2926>Doory25911 Says:
August 16, 2008 at 4:19 pm (http://caylee.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/hello-world/#comment-2926) FYI - This was posted on another blog at http://www.myfoxorlando.com (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/):
The backpacks were found at J Blanchard Park. One of the backpacks was pink with flowers and the other was solid red.
A tank top and a pair of jeans were also found. The jeans were size 3/5…Casey’s size.
That’s all I know about what was found, as the OCSO were called immediately after they were found and they came and collected 3-4 bags of evidence. No, I do not know what’s in the bags. The searchers didn’t want to interfere, so the OCSO was called promptly after their findings…which I think was a smart move
racegirl72
08-16-2008, 05:43 PM
Im not sure we can post other blog links here, so I cut and pasted the info I believe you were referencing , you may want to edit your post or check with a mod. Thanks for posting.
<LI id=comment-2926>Doory25911 Says:
August 16, 2008 at 4:19 pm (http://caylee.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/hello-world/#comment-2926) FYI - This was posted on another blog at http://www.myfoxorlando.com (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/):
The backpacks were found at J Blanchard Park. One of the backpacks was pink with flowers and the other was solid red.
A tank top and a pair of jeans were also found. The jeans were size 3/5…Casey’s size.
That’s all I know about what was found, as the OCSO were called immediately after they were found and they came and collected 3-4 bags of evidence. No, I do not know what’s in the bags. The searchers didn’t want to interfere, so the OCSO was called promptly after their findings…which I think was a smart move
I'm sorry, but I don't see this info on channel 6 website.....do we have a source for this other than channel 6? I figured they would have info up asap,and esp. in time for the 6:00 news
wonder if casey has more than one backpack. i know my granddaughter has a few of them.
Amberjack
08-16-2008, 06:01 PM
Has "Joseph" replied yet?
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 06:22 PM
FYI, from the Aug 5 search warrant, Caylee's backpack was white with monkeys on it.
Sadly, I think the fact that this area is around a soccer field tells us there may be lots of kids' things left behind.
Either way, it was enough for Orange County to take the two back packs full of evidence as well as three additional brown bags...
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 06:25 PM
I would also like to see locations of some sinkholes added to the google map, though I am not sure I think Casey disposed of Caylee (ich, sorry to write that) in a sinkhole. Particularly, any sinkholes near the Airport? Sawgrass Apts? The Anthony's home?
My husband seems to be fascinated by the Bananas...
:xena_banana:
Angelray
08-16-2008, 06:36 PM
Can someone please point me in the direction of the map that has airport, Anthonys house , etc marked on it ???? I can not find it pleeeeseeeee thank you
tttterri
08-16-2008, 06:43 PM
Josephjordan/// can you tell us all about the find? The brown bags, were they evidence bags or brown bags found in the area? What area of the place were they located? It would be wonderful if they were to tie in with a missing child case that has not been solved and who knows, could possibly tie in with Caylees also. Thanks again for your updates, your maps, and all of your searches especially!
dkitty
08-16-2008, 06:47 PM
Hoping the cell phone she lost there was found..
tttterri
08-16-2008, 06:54 PM
Im disappointed that the back pack wasnt mentioned on the flier put out. I'd like to see a flier with Caylees RECENT pic from the video, the Pontiac, and Casey's face all on it. Sometimes it dont hurt to jog a little memory for folks.
Sparky
08-16-2008, 07:31 PM
I saw it on TV also on WKMG at 6pm. Their website has been updated yet. They did say size 5 clothing the same as Casey Anthony wears and showed a tank top and a flip flop.
Sparky
08-16-2008, 07:32 PM
Either way, it was enough for Orange County to take the two back packs full of evidence as well as three additional brown bags...
Joseph..was that you on TV tonight?
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 08:16 PM
Can someone please point me in the direction of the map that has airport, Anthonys house , etc marked on it ???? I can not find it pleeeeseeeee thank you
The Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=hopespring+drive+(Anthony+House)&daddr=Goldenrod+Road+%26+SR-50+(Amscot)+to:Tech+Dr+%4028.582882,+-81.270382+to:Harrell+Rd+%4028.568581,+-81.269463+to:5303+East+COLONIAL+DRIVE,+orlando,+fl +(Mike%27s+Tatoo+Parlor)+to:6100+Oleander+Dr,+orla ndo,+fl+(Colonial+High+School)+to:1168+Bella+Vida, +Orlando,+FL+(Bella+Vida)+to:Young+Pine+Landfill,+ Orlando,+FL+to:12281+University+Blvd,+Orlando,+FL+ 32817+(Fusian)+to:Sawgrass+apartments,+orlando,+fl +to:6000+Universal+Boulevard,+Orlando,+FL+32819+(U niversal+Studios+Florida)&hl=en&geocode=3076033575348502822,28.582882,-81.270382%3B12445179752420572772,28.568581,-81.269463%3B11487598785147372787,28.476329,-81.462523&mra=pe&mrcr=9&sll=28.526019,-81.312561&sspn=0.434968,0.615234&ie=UTF8&ll=28.571407,-81.272564&spn=0.027174,0.038452&t=h&z=15)
I had added the airport location, but for some reason that location does not appear on the map if you follow the link. But, you can just add it and it will show up.
Hailiejade77
08-16-2008, 08:17 PM
great job Joseph and locals!!!!!!
jinnimae
08-16-2008, 08:21 PM
Either way, it was enough for Orange County to take the two back packs full of evidence as well as three additional brown bags...
Oh, Joseph, please don't think I was discounting the work you did!! I'm glad someone is out there looking. TY:clap:
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 08:27 PM
Oh, Joseph, please don't think I was discounting the work you did!! I'm glad someone is out there looking. TY:clap:
Can this location be added to the map?
Angelray
08-16-2008, 08:32 PM
Can this location be added to the map?
Where is the map? Still looking LOL
jinnimae
08-16-2008, 08:44 PM
Where is the map? Still looking LOLTry this (thanks to whomever made it, it's great!)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=hopespring+drive+(Anthony+House)&daddr=Goldenrod+Road+%26+SR-50+(Amscot)+to:Tech+Dr+%4028.582882,+-81.270382+to:Harrell+Rd+%4028.568581,+-81.269463+to:5303+East+COLONIAL+DRIVE,+orlando,+fl +(Mike%27s+Tatoo+Parlor)+to:6100+Oleander+Dr,+orla ndo,+fl+(Colonial+High+School)+to:1168+Bella+Vida, +Orlando,+FL+(Bella+Vida)+to:Young+Pine+Landfill,+ Orlando,+FL+to:12281+University+Blvd,+Orlando,+FL+ 32817+(Fusian)+to:Sawgrass+apartments,+orlando,+fl +to:6000+Universal+Boulevard,+Orlando,+FL+32819+(U niversal+Studios+Florida)&hl=en&geocode=3076033575348502822,28.582882,-81.270382%3B12445179752420572772,28.568581,-81.269463%3B11487598785147372787,28.476329,-81.462523&mra=pe&mrcr=9&sll=28.526019,-81.312561&sspn=0.434968,0.615234&ie=UTF8&ll=28.571407,-81.272564&spn=0.027174,0.038452&t=h&z=15
Angelray
08-16-2008, 08:55 PM
[QUOTE=jinnimae;2509233]Try this (thanks to whomever made it, it's great!)
:blowkiss: Thank you very very much! I was beginning to wonder if anyone was listening to me because I dont post very much LOL
This helped a million....
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 09:10 PM
[QUOTE=jinnimae;2509233]Try this (thanks to whomever made it, it's great!)
:blowkiss: Thank you very very much! I was beginning to wonder if anyone was listening to me because I dont post very much LOL
This helped a million....
I posted a link to it...just a few posts ago.
tttterri
08-16-2008, 09:21 PM
I thought I would drop this info here if anyone is still looking for it.
It is from the search warrant and it is reciting what George Anthony remembered.
"He also recalled that Caylee was dressed in a blue jean skirt and a pink top. George recalled that Caylee was wearing a pair of sun glasses. The glasses had white trim. Caylee also had a white backpack that displayed designs of monkeys. George recalled that Caylee Anthony's hair was in a ponytail. "
Search Warrant: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0807/17124703.pdf
Anakerie
08-16-2008, 09:48 PM
I thought I would drop this info here if anyone is still looking for it.
It is from the search warrant and it is reciting what George Anthony remembered.
"He also recalled that Caylee was dressed in a blue jean skirt and a pink top. George recalled that Caylee was wearing a pair of sun glasses. The glasses had white trim. Caylee also had a white backpack that displayed designs of monkeys. George recalled that Caylee Anthony's hair was in a ponytail. "
Search Warrant: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0807/17124703.pdf
Does anyone know what the color of the top is that was found?
Angelray
08-16-2008, 10:09 PM
:blowkiss:[QUOTE=lionheart;2509282]
I posted a link to it...just a few posts ago.
:blowkiss: Sorry I am trying to clean , and read every break so I must have just missed it..Thank you too .. guess that is what you get when you cant sleep over this case, it effects your eye site also.. I didnt get much sleep last night (neighbors shooting a gun at 1;30 am) grrrr. So I read all night and cleaned all day...
Does anyone know what the color of the top is that was found?
I read that some news station had video. I only remember the yellow flip flop and express jeans being mentioned. I haven't seen the video.
There is a picture of Caylee with a red backpack with blue straps.
panthera
08-16-2008, 10:16 PM
Im disappointed that the back pack wasnt mentioned on the flier put out. I'd like to see a flier with Caylees RECENT pic from the video, the Pontiac, and Casey's face all on it. Sometimes it dont hurt to jog a little memory for folks.
I also think a photo of the car would be useful on the poster. Someone might have seen something but thought nothing of it, or not recognized Casey/Caylee but remember the car. All I've heard about it is the year and model.
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 10:17 PM
:blowkiss:[QUOTE=commongrackle;2509359]
:blowkiss: Sorry I am trying to clean , and read every break so I must have just missed it..Thank you too .. guess that is what you get when you cant sleep over this case, it effects your eye site also.. I didnt get much sleep last night (neighbors shooting a gun at 1;30 am) grrrr. So I read all night and cleaned all day...
Oh boy, I know...I can't seem to get away from here. Away from this case, from thoughts of Caylee...from frustration with Casey.
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:28 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7222085&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
wedavis
08-16-2008, 11:32 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7222085&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
So how far was the parking lot from Blanchard Park?
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:34 PM
Pictures of today's find... Courtesy of Betty F.
http://www.josephsjordan.com/caylee/
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:34 PM
So how far was the parking lot from Blanchard Park?
It was an extension of Blanchard Park... it was the soccer complex off the econ trail where deputies searched.
passin_through
08-16-2008, 11:36 PM
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/erimo_2006/cayleebp.jpg (http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/erimo_2006/cayleebp.jpg)
photo of Caylee with backpack
wedavis
08-16-2008, 11:37 PM
It was an extension of Blanchard Park... it was the soccer complex off the econ trail where deputies searched.
This deserves its own thread.
I hope your hard work and findings pays off somehow. God bless you! :)
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:39 PM
This is the hard work of many. We don't know if this has to do with the Caylee case, but it may have to do with a prior crime. Orange County spent almost 2 hours on site, it seems important to them.
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:41 PM
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/erimo_2006/cayleebp.jpg (http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/erimo_2006/cayleebp.jpg)
photo of Caylee with backpack
Like I said, it may have nothing to do with Caylee, it may, we just don't know... Orange County may use it for prior crime evidence.
wedavis
08-16-2008, 11:42 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7222085&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
Did they smell bad? What is the board place between the arms holes about?
SuziQ
08-16-2008, 11:42 PM
Like I said, it may have nothing to do with Caylee, it may, we just don't know... Orange County may use it for prior crime evidence.
Thank you so much for everything you do!
wedavis
08-16-2008, 11:43 PM
This is the hard work of many. We don't know if this has to do with the Caylee case, but it may have to do with a prior crime. Orange County spent almost 2 hours on site, it seems important to them.
That is what I meant by "somehow". :)
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:45 PM
Did they smell bad? What is the board place between the arms holes about?
I think that is how they pulled it up from under the dirt/leaves.
Once we did make the find, we immediately notified OCSO and departed the area until they completed their investigation.
SuziQ
08-16-2008, 11:47 PM
This is the hard work of many. We don't know if this has to do with the Caylee case, but it may have to do with a prior crime. Orange County spent almost 2 hours on site, it seems important to them.
I just watched the video. It's kind of a strange place for someone to simply misplace their stuff. Seems like it was way back in there. The location of the items and what they were, really creeps me out.
wedavis
08-16-2008, 11:47 PM
I think that is how they pulled it up from under the dirt/leaves.
Once we did make the find, we immediately notified OCSO and departed the area until they completed their investigation.
Did you notice the thin white rope next to the flip flop? It's in the pic.
And is there a pic of the RED backpack?
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:48 PM
I just watched the video. It's kind of a strange place for someone to simply misplace their stuff. Seems like it was way back in there. The location of the items and what they were, really creeps me out.
We agree... that is why we unanimously decided to notify OCSO. We are still looking for more volunteers to come out... we will have a cadaver dog tomorrow. Please e-mail me if you are interested in coming out. joseph.jordan@josephsjordan.com
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 11:52 PM
I think that is how they pulled it up from under the dirt/leaves.
Once we did make the find, we immediately notified OCSO and departed the area until they completed their investigation.
Good job to you and your fellow searchmates...even if it has nothing to do with this case...hopefully you found something helpful to LE, in perhaps another crime.
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 11:53 PM
Did you notice the thin white rope next to the flip flop? It's in the pic.
I noticed that. Strange.
manatee
08-16-2008, 11:53 PM
We agree... that is why we unanimously decided to notify OCSO. We are still looking for more volunteers to come out... we will have a cadaver dog tomorrow. Please e-mail me if you are interested in coming out. joseph.jordan@josephsjordan.com
Since I heard blanchard park in the phone calls I thought that may be the place. But i'm torn in wanting you to find something or praying that you don't. I so want Caylee to be alive.
Firesweep
08-16-2008, 11:56 PM
Video Link
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7223603&version=1&locale=EN-US
SuziQ
08-16-2008, 11:59 PM
We agree... that is why we unanimously decided to notify OCSO. We are still looking for more volunteers to come out... we will have a cadaver dog tomorrow. Please e-mail me if you are interested in coming out. joseph.jordan@josephsjordan.com
If I wasn't in Utah, I'd be out there in a heartbeat! Did you know Tricia mentioned your find on her radio interview tonight. Cool huh?
SeriouslySearching
08-17-2008, 12:00 AM
Great job, JosephJ! You never know what case you could be helping to solve in that respect. It was out of the way and in an area you would not expect to find such items. Calling in LE was exactly the right thing to do!!
tttterri
08-17-2008, 12:30 AM
Amazing work Josephjordan! Thank you for allowing us to share this with you. Great pictures also. thank you much.
Firesweep
08-17-2008, 12:57 AM
Great job, JosephJ! You never know what case you could be helping to solve in that respect. It was out of the way and in an area you would not expect to find such items. Calling in LE was exactly the right thing to do!!
It is your passion and dedication from everyone on these boards that makes it possible. The people at the WFTV forum have been searching DAILY, while this was my first day with them, I have been searching on my own. If you remember, OCSO searched this area a few weeks ago when I was passing out flyers. Any locations or tips on where to search, please let us know. You guys are an integral part of this. We need solid leads and possible locations to move forward and keep doing this.
TGIRecovered
08-17-2008, 01:18 AM
Thanks for keeping us up on the latest, joseph!
Susan
Sunshinegirl
08-17-2008, 01:21 AM
Pictures of today's find... Courtesy of Betty F.
http://www.josephsjordan.com/caylee/
I would love to see Cindy's reaction to these pics.. I wonder if she recognizes the shoe...
LaLaw2000
08-17-2008, 01:23 AM
It is your passion and dedication from everyone on these boards that makes it possible. The people at the WFTV forum have been searching DAILY, while this was my first day with them, I have been searching on my own. If you remember, OCSO searched this area a few weeks ago when I was passing out flyers. Any locations or tips on where to search, please let us know. You guys are an integral part of this. We need solid leads and possible locations to move forward and keep doing this.
:clap:
God Bless you and the people who accompanied you, josephjordansr! Somehow I believe these are going to be found to be little Caylee and Casey's belongings.
Is there water nearby the site where you found the articles?
Outstanding work!
lisa0477
08-17-2008, 01:25 AM
I have a question. I know I have read where people have talked about searching the woods behind the Anthony's house. I was looking at the map that was posted on this thread and was wondering what that is behind their house. Is it water, a retention type pond? I tried to see where/if it has been discussed but couldn't find anything. There is so much to read. Anyway, have the police looked there or did they just do the back yard? Thanks
LaLaw2000
08-17-2008, 01:29 AM
I would love to see Cindy's reaction to these pics.. I wonder if she recognizes the shoe...
I would also, Sunshinegirl! The shoe would be recognized. Where is the other shoe? I wonder if it was overlooked in the car - maybe shoved up under the carseat?
I think that this is a tremendous find on the part of Joseph and the people with him!!! Those clothes will be connected to Caylee and Casey, IMO, and can be tested for DNA! Now, I would be SHOCKED if Casey is let out of jail!
Underneath something there, was red material. Could it be the backpack someone linked to a pic a few pages ago?
THIS IS BIG!!!!!
NighTillDawn
08-17-2008, 01:39 AM
I have a question. I know I have read where people have talked about searching the woods behind the Anthony's house. I was looking at the map that was posted on this thread and was wondering what that is behind their house. Is it water, a retention type pond? I tried to see where/if it has been discussed but couldn't find anything. There is so much to read. Anyway, have the police looked there or did they just do the back yard? Thanks
Yea I saw that too and wondered what that was. There is an awful amount of woods behind the house, have they searched that area completely I wonder? We have washes where I live, I was thinking that was what the pond was, some sort of wash. I could be wrong.
We agree... that is why we unanimously decided to notify OCSO. We are still looking for more volunteers to come out... we will have a cadaver dog tomorrow. Please e-mail me if you are interested in coming out. joseph.jordan@josephsjordan.com
Thank you to you and all of the volunteers who are working to try to find what has happened to little Caylee, you are very special people. :clap:
One article I read mentioned that the group had made plans using a mb - that's great! More people may realize that message boards are serious and can be a tremendous resource.
LaLaw2000
08-17-2008, 01:53 AM
LE can get the cadaver dogs in that area. I would love to know if the dogs have been sent to sniff at the articles found today!
txsvicki
08-17-2008, 01:57 AM
The square toe yellow sandal and the white trim black top, to me, look like things that were in style about 5-6 years ago and were maybe discarded, but it's good they were found and are being checked out.
wedavis
08-17-2008, 02:00 AM
The square toe yellow sandal and the white trim black top, to me, look like things that were in style about 5-6 years ago and were maybe discarded, but it's good they were found and are being checked out.
And the '84 hoody that Casey was wearing when she was arrested looks like it was in style around that time period too. Maybe that is the link? :)
OneLostGrl
08-17-2008, 02:00 AM
I would love to see Cindy's reaction to these pics.. I wonder if she recognizes the shoe...
I know, I was thinking the same thing.
OneLostGrl
08-17-2008, 02:01 AM
It is your passion and dedication from everyone on these boards that makes it possible. The people at the WFTV forum have been searching DAILY, while this was my first day with them, I have been searching on my own. If you remember, OCSO searched this area a few weeks ago when I was passing out flyers. Any locations or tips on where to search, please let us know. You guys are an integral part of this. We need solid leads and possible locations to move forward and keep doing this.
Thank you for all you are doing for this family.
txsvicki
08-17-2008, 02:08 AM
And the '84 hoody that Casey was wearing when she was arrested looks like it was in style around that time period too. Maybe that is the link? :)
Actually I saw that light blue shirt with the hood on the clearance rack at Target day before yesterday. I was sort of shocked even though I'd read that some of her other clothes were from Target.
Muzikman
08-17-2008, 02:10 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, aren't there a couple homeless camps out that way? I'm not sure exactly where, but I've read about them in the local press. Might be farther east on Colonial.
This could be where the stuff came from. Not trying to rain on any parade, but it is a pretty good possibility.
wedavis
08-17-2008, 02:34 AM
Actually I saw that light blue shirt with the hood on the clearance rack at Target day before yesterday. I was sort of shocked even though I'd read that some of her other clothes were from Target.
I'm sorry I was trying to be funny. Casey is all around tacky IMO I have no idea what clothes from Target, Old Navy etc. look like. Unfortunately I spend too much time/money at Nordstrom and the like. :)
LaLaw2000
08-17-2008, 03:24 AM
I still think this could be big because of the clothing sizes of size 3/5 female and size 5 child's clothing. Also the 2 book bags. I do hope there are maybe papers, etc. in the adult bookbag.
Maybe these are items Casey took out of her car because they held the 'death scent'. These clothing items do not look to be items that are really old. They could appear that way after a month in the elements and rain. If a bloodhound could be given a scent of the clothes Casey was wearing when arrested, the dog could tell if the clothes were Casey's. There are folds in the clothing that have not had as much exposure to the elements, IMO. The jail would have Casey's clothing that she wearing when arrested stored as inmate property.
Again, I really think this is going to be a big find! I am going to have to go look at the pics of Casey that have been stored here on the board because that top looks familiar!
wedavis
08-17-2008, 03:31 AM
I still think this could be big because of the clothing sizes of size 3/5 female and size 5 child's clothing. Also the 2 book bags. I do hope there are maybe papers, etc. in the adult bookbag.
Maybe these are items Casey took out of her car because they held the 'death scent'. These clothing items do not look to be items that are really old. They could appear that way after a month in the elements and rain. If a bloodhound could be given a scent of the clothes Casey was wearing when arrested, the dog could tell if the clothes were Casey's. There are folds in the clothing that have not had as much exposure to the elements, IMO. The jail would have Casey's clothing that she wearing when arrested stored as inmate property.
Again, I really think this is going to be a big find! I am going to have to go look at the pics of Casey that have been stored here on the board because that top looks familiar!
On the white t-shirt is the word "shack" anyone in FL know what this could be?
OriginalJerseyGirl
08-17-2008, 03:43 AM
I still think this could be big because of the clothing sizes of size 3/5 female and size 5 child's clothing. Also the 2 book bags. I do hope there are maybe papers, etc. in the adult bookbag.
Maybe these are items Casey took out of her car because they held the 'death scent'. These clothing items do not look to be items that are really old. They could appear that way after a month in the elements and rain.
They'd have been out there for two months at this point.
I can't believe this beautiful girl is gone two months. :(
Angelray
08-17-2008, 04:22 AM
I thought I saw that black top somewhere too. Have spent most of the evening trying to find it but no luck. Hope you have better luck than I did.. Casey sure did like black tops and black usually fads very fast. That top didnt look real faded to me
grace60
08-17-2008, 04:22 AM
On the white t-shirt is the word "shack" anyone in FL know what this could be?
I did a search and found this
http://www.trackshack.com/events/grandprix/calendar.php
Lots of stuff at the trackshack.com if that's where the shirt is from.
TravelingBug
08-17-2008, 04:44 AM
Since not everyone is even aware of this thread, maybe someone ought to include a link to the tanktop photo into the "general" thread and ask the oodles of more eyes which follow those threads religiously about the tanktop also...the more folks looking at it specifically trying to remember or recall having seen it before the faster it might be possible to make a link if there's one to be found! Especially since I think some folks were saving pictures before they were getting removed (since many are no longer online)
Anniegirl
08-17-2008, 04:46 AM
Video Link
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7223603&version=1&locale=EN-US
Thank you and bless you and all the volunteers taking time to do this for Caylee.
racegirl72
08-17-2008, 05:01 AM
Wonder why this new find hasn't been ALL OVER the media??? weekend off maybe?
DianeB
08-17-2008, 08:19 AM
Pictures of today's find... Courtesy of Betty F.
http://www.josephsjordan.com/caylee/Superb photographs of a disturbing find. Thank you very much for posting them.
The Anthonys will know immediately if that clothing belongs to Casey and Caylee.
Patty G
08-17-2008, 08:26 AM
I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but why not at least try Bella Vida Blvd. in Orlando. Casey got that tattoo to remind her of her daughter, so maybe there is a reason?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68516&highlight=1168+Bella+Vida+Boulevard
Patty G
08-17-2008, 08:32 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, aren't there a couple homeless camps out that way? I'm not sure exactly where, but I've read about them in the local press. Might be farther east on Colonial.
This could be where the stuff came from. Not trying to rain on any parade, but it is a pretty good possibility.
There are many homeless camps all over Florida.
gopheraj
08-17-2008, 10:01 AM
I've been here since the Peterson case. Lurking sometimes but reading all of y'alls good posts.
I know that some don't believe in the psychics and I don't most BUT I remember a quote from one posted here who said she saw Caylee with pink flowers on her feet. Maybe not REAL pink flowers but pink flowers on a backpack. The backpack doesn't have to be hers but something that was placed on top of a burial to cover it.
CateH
08-17-2008, 11:59 AM
I did a search and found this
http://www.trackshack.com/events/grandprix/calendar.php
Lots of stuff at the trackshack.com if that's where the shirt is from.
I think you got it, grace60 - it looks like the "grand prix" shirt from the 06-07 season. Here's the same logo, on the top of this banner:
http://www.trackshack.com/events/grandprix/logos/web_banners%2006_07/06_07banner_final.jpg
commongrackle
08-17-2008, 12:12 PM
I also thought that black shirt looked familiar.
Surely by now the Anthonys have heard of this discovery, somehow. And if they had recognised it, surely we'd have heard about that, somehow.
SuziQ
08-17-2008, 12:17 PM
I'm not sure the Anthony's would admit that the clothing is Caseys and Caylee's. IMO, they are either in such denial or in an extreme protection mode with Casey at this point. That they would discount any evidence presented that would show the possibility that the nanny/kidnapping story is not real. I think they will believe or spin the nanny/kidnapping story until the day they die.
SuziQ
08-17-2008, 12:24 PM
This article was just updated. Not sure if there is anything new though.
http://www.local6.com/news/17212701/detail.html
A group of Internet bloggers following the case of a missing Orlando girl have united and are searching wooded areas of Central Florida for the child in a mystery that continues to grab the nation's attention. (more at link)
SuziQ
08-17-2008, 12:26 PM
Great pictures of the bags at the below link.
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17213476/detail.html
LI_Mom
08-17-2008, 02:13 PM
I'm not sure the Anthony's would admit that the clothing is Caseys and Caylee's. IMO, they are either in such denial or in an extreme protection mode with Casey at this point. That they would discount any evidence presented that would show the possibility that the nanny/kidnapping story is not real. I think they will believe or spin the nanny/kidnapping story until the day they die.
I agree.
They've got to know Caylee is beyond help at this point.
But if they DID admit they recognized the clothing... I wouldn't be surprised if the new Casey story is that both she & Caylee were kidnapped & dragged to that location & "hero Casey" managed to escape to go for help.
(Well except for the fact that she forgot to tell anyone that Caylee was still being held captive & just went about her partying & enjoying life)
LI_Mom
08-17-2008, 02:20 PM
Since not everyone is even aware of this thread, maybe someone ought to include a link to the tanktop photo into the "general" thread and ask the oodles of more eyes which follow those threads religiously about the tanktop also...the more folks looking at it specifically trying to remember or recall having seen it before the faster it might be possible to make a link if there's one to be found! Especially since I think some folks were saving pictures before they were getting removed (since many are no longer online)
IIRC, Casey's Photobucket account is where we saw her in the black tank top.
When I first saw the pic of the clothing found, I also thought it looked VERY familiar.... not so sure about the white trim though but it's definitely a style Casey would wear.
commongrackle
08-17-2008, 02:30 PM
Yeah, I searched back through all of the photo links...found CA wearing black tank tops, but not one that had the white trim.
DazzlinDebSD
08-17-2008, 02:49 PM
I swore I'd never let myself get involved in another case like this after the Danielle Van Dam case that was so close to home. I searched for that child for three weeks and we found so many back packs, and clothing everywhere. Casey and Caylee were not on a camping trip. I do not think these items have anything to do with this case. If someone is going to hide a body they are not going to leave things like this behind. Do you really think that sandle they have a picture of is Casey's? She would not be caught dead in a sandle that was bought from a 99c store.
This case is sucking the life out of so many people. I could almost put my life on it that if Casey commited suicide tomorrow this case would become just another case of a missing child and everybody would go about their lives until the media strikes up another juicy case. I do not think Caylee is going to be found because Casey will never tell anybody what she did. I feel deep in my heart that she murdered Caylee in a rage. Let's face it, she has a horrible temper and from what the lead detective said on the stand Caylee had bruises on her and there are witnesses to testify to that. Hell, he even has a photo of Caylee with a black eye. There's so much more evidence in this case we do not know about. Remember the Westerfield case??? Tons of evidence that the public was not privy to. JMO
headndownstream
08-17-2008, 02:50 PM
Wonder what the big wad of clear plastic, looks like a dropcloth for painting, is doing with this stuff. There is a lot of stuff there.
teedie2
08-17-2008, 02:56 PM
I think you got it, grace60 - it looks like the "grand prix" shirt from the 06-07 season. Here's the same logo, on the top of this banner:
http://www.trackshack.com/events/grandprix/logos/web_banners%2006_07/06_07banner_final.jpg
Please tell me which picture you can see a logo in ... is it on josephsjordan's website, or on the Channel 6 slideshow? I have looked and looked, and I don't know where a logo is visible. Is it on a shirt? What color is the shirt? Where is the picture of the 06-07 Grand Prix shirt? (I'm still looking, but getting tired.) Why can't I see it! :mad:
Maybe some links?
tia
panthera
08-17-2008, 03:08 PM
I'm not sure the Anthony's would admit that the clothing is Caseys and Caylee's. IMO, they are either in such denial or in an extreme protection mode with Casey at this point. That they would discount any evidence presented that would show the possibility that the nanny/kidnapping story is not real. I think they will believe or spin the nanny/kidnapping story until the day they die.
They could always admit the clothing belonged to Casey & Caylee, if it does, and suggest it was taken out of Casey's car while it was parked at Amscot before being towed away.
sabego
08-17-2008, 03:31 PM
Was this the park that Casey told her brother Lee she went to for some reason, not fun or work or something like that?
olive
08-17-2008, 03:59 PM
Was this the park that Casey told her brother Lee she went to for some reason, not fun or work or something like that?
she mentioned the park as a possible location of where she lost her cell phone
CateH
08-18-2008, 12:34 PM
Please tell me which picture you can see a logo in ... is it on josephsjordan's website, or on the Channel 6 slideshow? I have looked and looked, and I don't know where a logo is visible. Is it on a shirt? What color is the shirt? Where is the picture of the 06-07 Grand Prix shirt? (I'm still looking, but getting tired.) Why can't I see it! :mad:
Maybe some links?
tiaLook at the "yellow flip flop and white rope" picture on josephsjordan's site - linked previously. Maximize the photo and scroll to the right, you will see what looks like a white T shirt with the Track Shack logo (upside down in the pic, by the way).
tttterri
08-18-2008, 12:43 PM
while everyone is looking at caseys pics for the clothes that were found, you might want to keep an eye out on her friends clothing also. she seems like a borrower to me. JMHO
tttterri
08-19-2008, 04:06 PM
Hi again Josephjordan. You are doing such a wonderful thing by searching for Caylee. I have enjoyed all of your postings and the latest clothing finds as I stated earlier, may bring light to Caylee or even another mystery that needs solving. There are so many missing babies out there. Please keep us informed if you are still doing searches and also if you see anyone else doing searches. I am so brokenhearted and saddened because this case leaves me thinking that nobody is searching for Caylee except a handful of LE people and the grandparents and the brother. I know your group has been searching, THANK YOU! Caylee DESERVES Finding whether it be a joyous occasion or a tragic one. I am too far away to assist with the physical searching but I do keep the fliers passing online. I search for online clues and pass them to LE in hopes that perhaps by chance, something will be brought to light that will bring this beautiful baby home. Please keep searching.
Hailiejade77
08-19-2008, 11:54 PM
did anyone notice on the gray underwear in Josephjordan's pictures of the clothes he found, there is a hair on it? It is on the back top of the gray underwear. Maybe this is Casey's hair. JMO
Firesweep
08-22-2008, 10:00 AM
If you could please order 1 yard sign, these are free from vistaprint... you can upload your own design or use one of the flyers. We can put these on major corners near possible locations where Caylee could have been.
http://e.vistaprint.com/a/hBIrqD7AZdBOAB7SXOb$CQCseLc/vph11?d_snumb=6217227984
FLbeachdawg
08-22-2008, 01:02 PM
Was this the park that Casey told her brother Lee she went to for some reason, not fun or work or something like that?
The part where she said she went for "not fun or work" was actually Universal. She told Lee she had been in Blanchard Park (where the stuff was found) and that maybe she lost her cell phone there.
Bobby62
08-26-2008, 12:53 PM
The location behind the elementary school was searched with cadaver dogs already.
BeanE
08-30-2008, 02:13 PM
Hi. I'm posting this reference to a small (2 page) thread, as reference for a possible place to search for Caylee's body.
The location and reasons are self-evident in the thread.
If I lived anywhere near FL, I would go and look myself, but I'm far away.
This is a longshot, but it has been weighing on my mind, and I keep thinking about it, so I thought I would post it here in case somebody might have the time to go look, if it's worthwhile.
If someone does decide to go poke around, if you wouldn't mind PMing me to let me know, I would really appreciate it.
If this should be posted in a different thread, please let me know.
Thank you very much,
BeanE
Brini
09-01-2008, 07:52 PM
Most bodies are recovered with a 5 mile radius of where they are missing. start close move outward, keep a grid. I was part of the search team efforts to recover the body of Danielle VanDam. She was found less then 2 miles from where were were searching. It's seems frutle and overwhelming when you are out there. But the Laura Recovery search team found her. They were very well organized. The fact that a shovel was borrowed from the neighbors indicates the Caylee was buried. Look for soft soil, shallow grave. Most likely this place is going to be within easy access from a road or not far from it. Carrying dead weight even that of a child would get difficult after a time. She shouldn't be far from a road or where a car could get to.
The fact that Casey is petite and thin would also support your theory that the child was buried close by. Casey would likely not be up to a long trek and hard carrying.
Brini
09-01-2008, 07:54 PM
This is good stuff Nedthan. Working from this.... she borrowed the shovel and had it how long? Estimate an hour (I think the neighbor said) to an hour and 1/2. Big Question here - did she leave the house at ALL before she returned the shovel? If not then it would be very difficult to figure out how far she drove. If so, then figure 1/2 to 3/4 hours to put Caylee in the trunk, 5-10 mins to drive to new spot, another 1/2 to 3/4 to rebury Caylee. She couldn't have gone far.....
They have searched the GG's parents property, so she is not there, but it appears that she was. Tying down the date that Casey borrowed the shovel is key here. The car was abandoned on June 27th. So there are 2 or 3 days - 24th to the 27th in which Casey could have driven anywhere. Trying to narrow this down will be difficult, but not impossible.
Salem
I think I remember the neighbor said she did not leave the house.
My guess is that she temporarily interred Caylee somewhere in the yard. Maybe the covered sandbox.
Cindy and George DID have other shovels, BTW.
Brini
09-01-2008, 07:55 PM
Further thought - what day were the gas cans taken? The 24th right? That means there are 3 days unaccounted for, providing she borrowed the shovel on the 24th also.
Salem
I think the neighbor said she borrowed the shovel on the 18th. The cops think the child died shortly before 1500 on the 16th.
zadari
09-01-2008, 07:56 PM
btw i dont live in fla but in my dream with caylee .. it was heavily wooded but in a clearing there were LOTS of trees and misquitos were biting me badly but not caylee .. are there alot of places like that in fla ? ive never been there so i dont know but it was in a woods very very heavy woods
Brini
09-01-2008, 07:57 PM
Does anyone think that this is just a big game and that she is trying to keep Caylee away from Cindy?
That's part of it. I also think she thinks, "no body, no case." Which is incorrect.
Brini
09-01-2008, 07:58 PM
I totally agree with this. Start the search "close to home" to quote Casey.
Personally, I think she put Caylee's body in a trash bag with other trash and then in a dumpster she knew would be dumped ASAP. And I wonder why she didn't report the car stolen?
One of the cops said he thinks she knew it would be towed, and just hoped it would disappear into the impound lot. She apparently did not anticipate that he lot would write to her parents.
Brini
09-01-2008, 07:59 PM
I would think think that Casey would have had Caylee there when the grandparents were not home. Sometime between June 22 at 6:00 p.m. to June 24th at 11:00 a.m. The same period of time the gas was stolen.
Soooo if something happened to Caylee before the June 22nd, than Casey had to keep her somewhere - maybe the trunk, between June 16th to the 22nd? That's a long time..... :confused:
If Caylee was at the grandparents during this time, how would Casey have gotten her there without the grandparents noticing something? Cindy was asking to talk to Caylee on almost a daily basis. Unless, Casey hid Caylee while the Grandparents were at work?
I too am just "typing" out loud here. The timeline is a problem because of the hugh time span.
If we believe Casey's 31 days - that does take us to June 16th, right. So she did something with the baby on June 16th and was ready to party by June 20th. Was she staying with Tony at this point or still at Amy's?
Salem
June 16th to the 18th.
Brini
09-01-2008, 08:00 PM
Posted on the media thread by Patience:Family of Missing Toddler Caylee Anthony Mum on TV Reports of New Concrete Slab in Yard
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390054,00.html
The family of an Orlando toddler missing for more than a month won't answer questions about a tip that a new concrete slab was poured in the grandparents' backyard over July 4 weekend, shortly before they reported the child missing.
It turned out just to be a few cinder blocks- not a slab.
diane952
09-01-2008, 08:09 PM
Newbie here........i think Casey did leave the car there wanting it to be towed and I agree with whoever said she thought the car would just dissappear. I dont think Casey buried Caylee. I think shes too lazy and self absorbed to take the time. I think she threw that poor little girl in a dumpster somewhere and I wish they would search the landfill before its too late..if it isnt already. I know its a huge cumbersome ordeal to search the landfill but its something..
Brini
09-02-2008, 03:00 PM
Newbie here........i think Casey did leave the car there wanting it to be towed and I agree with whoever said she thought the car would just dissappear. I dont think Casey buried Caylee. I think shes too lazy and self absorbed to take the time. I think she threw that poor little girl in a dumpster somewhere and I wish they would search the landfill before its too late..if it isnt already. I know its a huge cumbersome ordeal to search the landfill but its something..
I think she may have dumped her into a pond. But, I think she would have chosen a pretty spot, or a favorite spot of Caylees, and told herself it was a "burial."
gibby207
09-02-2008, 03:50 PM
This is so exciting! This is where I was hoping we would lead into...maps, coordinates, triangulation, stomping around and looking. I swear, if I didn't live out here in WA I would be there with you too. I am there in spirit and truly excited! Now, I know what the feeling is about ************, but please check it out FOR THE MAPS....They have excellent maps and locations already to use.
gibby207
09-02-2008, 03:54 PM
I should mention as well that I have been having dreams lately with a lot of chaos and people and darkness and excitement. Recurring dreams, same scenario. I'm not a psychic, but I have a feeling that Caylee will be found soon. Dreams have lots of people, chaos, loudness, like we found her body. Wonder if these dreams were associated with this little gathering starting up now?!
BeanE
09-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Hi. I'm posting this reference to a small (2 page) thread, as reference for a possible place to search for Caylee's body.
The location and reasons are self-evident in the thread.
If I lived anywhere near FL, I would go and look myself, but I'm far away.
This is a longshot, but it has been weighing on my mind, and I keep thinking about it, so I thought I would post it here in case somebody might have the time to go look, if it's worthwhile.
If someone does decide to go poke around, if you wouldn't mind PMing me to let me know, I would really appreciate it.
If this should be posted in a different thread, please let me know.
Thank you very much,
BeanE
ETA Update Tue Sep 2: I did more research on this, and found several other things of interest, such as proximity to Amscot. I emailed all the info to LE.
Well darn. Was trying to update my original post and ended up adding another. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that.
KR2tonenow
09-02-2008, 05:36 PM
From another thread:
Originally Posted by QuietStorm http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2602618#post2602618)
Aerial view of Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey says she "dropped off" Caylee. Very disturbing.
Has Tim, Eqqusearch stated that this lake will be searched??
BondJamesBond
09-03-2008, 12:35 PM
A forum search didn't yield an extensive amount of focus on Lake Underhill. My apologies if this is covered already. I think it deserves a thread for a little focused exploration.
Surely Lake Underhill would've been on Casey's short list in her search for a disposal location.
*It was in Casey's recent memory the week of June 16 having taken the walk on June 12 (likely) or 13.
*It was very familiar to her.
*It is located between the Sawgrass Apartments & Ricardo/JP/Amy's Glenwood Apartment
*It is located a short distance from the Amscot store where the Pontiac was abandoned
*It meets the criteria of being within a small radius from Caylee's last known sighting
a) On the east side of the lake, south side of the toll road (408) there is a small park adjoining the parking lot and what appear to be two small piers, and despite being next to passersby on the toll road (408) and Lake Underhill Rd (15) in this area, there are mature trees and landscaping for screening. There also appears to be a break in the curb allowing a car to access the water's edge in the northeast corner of the parking lot.
b) On the west side of the lake, south side of the toll road (408) there appears to be a very small park where the walking trail includes a semi-circle before reaching the East Anderson & (408) toll road interchange. There appears to be mature trees and landscaping for screening this area and ample room for a car to pull onto the shoulder for a brief period without drawing attention.
c) On the west side of the lake, north side of the toll road (408), just off the (526) S. Crystal Lake Dr, there appears to be a highway depot/construction gravel pit of sorts. This area is bounded on the north by open fields at the Orlando Exec Airport. I'm unable to tell if access is restricted. If access is not restricted, there is direct, drive-up access to the water's edge, several large piles of loose fill, and a large collection of orange construction barrels - all items which might be of use.
lillygator
09-03-2008, 12:37 PM
was was the lake that was used for the diving training?
Mendara
09-03-2008, 12:38 PM
Hey Bond - maybe forward your info to Tim and TES. I agree with you.
Nedthan Johns
09-03-2008, 12:43 PM
This is Game Theory's original post
http://www.local6.com/news/17377554/detail.html
Leonard Padilla and missing Caylee Anthony's grandmother, Cindy, appeared on a national talk show Tuesday night.
....
Padilla then said in the upcoming weeks, the country will see some revelations in the case.
....
"When the FBI, who has got some of the finest labs in the world, comes back (with findings), it is going to shock the world over something Lee, Casey and Cindy have known since Wednesday when they released their preliminary findings," Padilla said. "And also, the Dumpster located a mile and quarter away from the boyfriend Tony's home is going to play a big part in this."
Has Tim Miller and Equusearch searched the landfill associated with that dumpster???
janiekay
09-03-2008, 01:03 PM
I know that the police are giving Tim areas to search, which is wonderful. I also know that some of the searchers felt frustrated because the areas they were given to search were hard to get to, had lots of undergrowth, and more. I tend to believe Casey would not go to that much trouble trying to hide Caylee's body. It would have to be an area that she could have driven her car up to and hidden it fairly close to where her car could drive.
Please list where you think Casey might have put Caylee's body and why that location!
I have 3 places that I think Casey dumped Caylee's body.
1) In the Amscot dumpster--this is where she parked her car, easy to get to, nobody would question someone throwing a bag of trash into a dumpster
2) In Lake Jessup--if you go on 417 from Orlando towards Sanford, there is an area where the bridge goes directly over water. It is an area that is not highly traveled at night, and if you live in the area, you know that. Casey could have put Caylee's body in a duffle or suitcase, weighed it down with the imfamous "pavers" in the back yard(also why she needed a shovel-to pry up a paver) and threw the bag over the bridge.
3) An area by Mud Lake--if you go towards Kissimmee, and get off at the Boggy Creek Rd exit and take a right, the first right you come to is a dirt road or a small access road that takes you to a power sub-station. You can actually continue on this road quite a way and you will eventually come to Mud Lake. There is a path that leads to the lake. If Casey used a roller bag to move Caylee, she could have easily transported her to the water, and put the bag in the lake. Again, weighing it down with one of the pavers or something similar.
What do you think???
Darlene733510
09-03-2008, 01:09 PM
You could be right - but I think she would dispose of the body in the easiest manner she could think of. I am afraid that she put it in a dumpster, and now this precious little child is in the landfill. I think that is why she says she doesn't know where Caylee is - because she doesn't know where the dumpster was emptied at the landfill site.
zadari
09-03-2008, 01:11 PM
i dont know why but i think caylee is right under thier noses .. somewhere very very close to them .. i
Brini
09-03-2008, 01:31 PM
From another thread:
Originally Posted by QuietStorm http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2602618#post2602618)
Aerial view of Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey says she "dropped off" Caylee. Very disturbing.
Has Tim, Eqqusearch stated that this lake will be searched??
My guess is that he will. He said that LE is directing him where to search based on Casey's "electronic footprints." That would likely mean phone and credit card records.
I read, somewhere, that LE has charted Casey's movements and timelines.
ibyoungr
09-03-2008, 02:01 PM
I know that the police are giving Tim areas to search, which is wonderful. I also know that some of the searchers felt frustrated because the areas they were given to search were hard to get to, had lots of undergrowth, and more. I tend to believe Casey would not go to that much trouble trying to hide Caylee's body. It would have to be an area that she could have driven her car up to and hidden it fairly close to where her car could drive.
Please list where you think Casey might have put Caylee's body and why that location!
I have 3 places that I think Casey dumped Caylee's body.
1) In the Amscot dumpster--this is where she parked her car, easy to get to, nobody would question someone throwing a bag of trash into a dumpster
2) In Lake Jessup--if you go on 417 from Orlando towards Sanford, there is an area where the bridge goes directly over water. It is an area that is not highly traveled at night, and if you live in the area, you know that. Casey could have put Caylee's body in a duffle or suitcase, weighed it down with the imfamous "pavers" in the back yard(also why she needed a shovel-to pry up a paver) and threw the bag over the bridge.
3) An area by Mud Lake--if you go towards Kissimmee, and get off at the Boggy Creek Rd exit and take a right, the first right you come to is a dirt road or a small access road that takes you to a power sub-station. You can actually continue on this road quite a way and you will eventually come to Mud Lake. There is a path that leads to the lake. If Casey used a roller bag to move Caylee, she could have easily transported her to the water, and put the bag in the lake. Again, weighing it down with one of the pavers or something similar.
What do you think???
Unique idea on the pavers... however, I understood that those were laid on July 4th in the Anthony yard.
icherish
09-03-2008, 02:04 PM
I am thinking a Dumpster. Which one, I don't know, but probably not Amscot's. Didn't a cadaver dog check that one out and no hit? Anyhow...going with Casey's bits of truth, she "absolutely doesn't know" where Caylee is...well, she could be anywhere in the landfill. What a horrid thought!
Something else that troubles me is it seems Casey may have buried her once and then for whatever reason moved her to the trunk. (borrowed shovel, decomp and dirt in the trunk) If poor little Caylee's body was in that trunk for too long, deterioriating fast, the odor overwhelming...Casey needed it over quick and easy and tossed her in. (gosh, it pains me to type that)
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