Caylee Anthony 2 yr old #29 general discussion

[Hailiejade77]

please continue here

[SuziQ]

To clarify the ZG locations per the affidavit.

Casey pointed out a building that's across the street from Amy and claimed ZG lived there in years past. That building was later determined to be Senior citizen housing.

Casey then took the detectives to the Sawgrass apartment and showed them an actual apartment saying that's where she last left Caylee with ZG.

Casey then took detectives to some townhouses and claimed that ZG at one time lived with her mother who owned the townhouse. The neighbors said no one by that name was ever there.

[Medea]

The grandmother already knows in her heart that her grandaughter is dead...she's preparing herself by her comments about "if" the police do the investigation right the child will be found...so when/if a body is found she will simply blame police for not finding the child that was "kidnapped"....she isn't able to admit her daughter is a sociopath that killed her baby.

Who ever heard of expecting the police to basically go through the phone book and check out anyone with the same last name as the alleged 26 year old babysitter that nobody has seen or heard of in advance of the 'extended vacation leading to kidnapping by loving babysitter, or, oops, ex boyfriend'

[mom_of_five]

To clarify the ZG locations per the affidavit.

Casey pointed out a building that's across the street from Amy and claimed ZG lived there in years past. That building was later determined to be Senior citizen housing.

Casey then took the detectives to the Sawgrass apartment and showed them an actual apartment saying that's where she last left Caylee with ZG.

Casey then took detectives to some townhouses and claimed that ZG at one time lived with her mother who owned the townhouse. The neighbors said no one by that name was ever there.

Thanks for that recap...I was fuzzy on that part.

[ebrich]

did you already get a link to photobucket?
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/

these are all of casey's albums.
on the left is a list of folders.
Not sure if you want those or the one a sleuth made to collect pictures from the case?

[absolut_alexis]

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I'm not that Zenaida Gonzalez


Submitted by Zenaida Gonzalez (http://forums.brevardcountymoms.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=78) on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:59 am

Many of you have emailed me concerned that I may be involved in the case of the missing 2-year-old in Orlando. It is a very sad story where the child has been missing for almost a month, but mom didn't report it to police. I believe the grandparents filed the missing person's report.

Let me assure you I am not involved and I am not the Zenaida Gonzalez that mother told officials she left her daughter with on that day.

I've been bombarded with emails and phone calls even some from media asking for comment. But it is not me.

It is a very sad case. I worry for the child and the family as well. In my opinion you have to be mentally ill to lose track of your child or do them harm. I pray for the family and thank you all for your concern.
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Highly Coincidental I'd say...


Submitted by cglrcng (http://forums.brevardcountymoms.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4401) on Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:44 am

Are you sure she isn't actually speaking of someone who's office she may have robbed/burglarized on the same day thereabouts as the day her daughter went missing? Instead of a "babysitter" she dropped her child off to...Could she, "Caylee" have been possibly hurt while mom may have been committing another crime. Could you have been a victim of that crime...the robbery of your office back in June? You wouldn't have to know her, but she would sure know your name.

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Hear me out please. I got here through a simple name search following an ABC News.Com story as many others may have...But read this:

Please, for a moment...Check out this huge coincidence I found by just browsing the net (On the weekend of June 9th...the same day that Caylee Anthony was last known to have been seen), there was a robbery in Brevard County, FL of a Zenaida Gonzalez who writes on a forum that "she is not that Zenaida Gonzalez" in one post from July 18, 2008 ("the one who Casey Marie Anthony claims she dropped Caylee off to"). But she just may well have been totally unknowingly/unwittingly "The Zenaida Gonzalez" that Casey Marie Anthony actually speaks of, as far as a simple name she remembers all too well from the office door/computer(s) she may have actually robbed/burglarized.

There is a post dated Tuesday, June 10, 2008 down the page a bit further (http://forums.brevardcountymoms.com/viewforum.php?f=57), posts 1 & 12 on the page are the ones I find are the strange ones that may relate in a roundabout manner. (Why has Casey Anthony been secretive to the point of lying about where she really works? Could she be a burglar/thief...Not something she'd actually like to admit to the police, I'd truly suspect).

Could Casey Marie Anthony (an alleged thief according to many friends listed in the police arrest report located at: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/952244/Casey-Anthony-Arrest-Report), have actually committed the robbery/burglary of the office of that actual blogging/posting "Zenaida Gonzalez" and therefore remembers the name all too well?

As an IT tech myself, I can tell you a stolen computer would have the real owners name all over it, as did the office door according to the post by Zenaida Gonzalez. I find the date of the robbery (on or about June 9th, 2008 as described by the posting Zenaida Gonzalez, and the last known date of Caylee Anthony being known to be last seen of June 9th, 2008), a huge coincidence....Food for thought. But this info should be investigated further as to possible prints, etc left behind (possibly collected by authorities in the robbery/burglary?), in the office robbery as relates to the Mother/Suspect/arrested and in custody defendant in my opinion.
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I know you may not have linked 1 to the other...But is it possible they are actually linked? Same State 2 different crimes...or even 1 crime, 2 circumstances leading to a huge cover-up because Caylee Anthony may have been/was hurt while mom was out committing another different crime.

Think about it for just 1 minute. Sure, I'm a CIS buff/fan...But sometimes life does imitate art and this is a huge coincidence...Exhaust all leads till the child is home safe or the truth is otherwise known, I say.

cglrcng.

(In the spirit of full exclosure, I am not a woman or a Mom as the icon above represents (I only saw that after returning to the message after posting it)...I'm an older married man and a Dad of 3 boys. I will not be posting on the site besides this particular thread if and only if responded to). To help find the child, all leads must be exhausted no matter how trivial they may seem as not everything meets the eye in all cases such as these.
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I just looked it up on Yahoo Maps. Orlando, FL (where she lives) to Brevard County, FL (where I assume you live based on this web page and the local news link above), is only 53.5 miles center to center and less than an hours drive (56 minutes according to Yahoo w/ nice direct multiple highways and a borrowed car according to the Grandmother who's car it was she borrowed). Too close to be pure coincidence in my book.

http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=28.422285&lon=-81.04739&zoom=11&q1=Brevard%20County%2C%20FL&q2=Orlando%2C%20FL
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The police need to re-look at this "Robbery" of your office and how it just might relate to her daughters disappearance. You don't have to personally do anything wrong to be dragged into something of another's making. You just have to "Be" in this world.
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Wow, it's amazing that you were able to piece those things together. I hope your theories are investigated further in hopes of finding this little one.....
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Submitted by mommyX3 (http://forums.brevardcountymoms.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1082) on Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:54 pm

thanks for posting the update as I'm sure many of us recognized the name similarities immediately what a stressful time this must be for you and your family as well as little Caylee My prayers are with everyone in this ordeal that it may be resolved quickly and with the best of results
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Missing Caylee


Submitted by Zenaida Gonzalez (http://forums.brevardcountymoms.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=78) on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:03 am

I saw the thread about the robbery. It's a long shot, but I've passed on the theory to detective who covered the robbery.

If there's anything any of us can do to help find this little girl, I think we are willing to do it.

And thanks to all those moms (and dads) who have posted and emailed. Every caring parent can relate to the feeling of panic at hearing of a missing child. My prayers are with her family.

[kimmy_q_sky]

I am just worried that it is taking so long for the release of the forensics on the car. If they did indeed come back positive, I think the DA would change the charges to murder and that hasn't happened...........yet. I just think they should have known by now if there was human remains there or not.

[kathyn2]

Is there a bail hearing today? If so, anyone know what time and if it will be broadcast on the web?

[kathyn2]

Except for the cadaver dogs hitting on the car and yard, I would be more inclined to think that Casey sold Caylee or even gave her away due to the fact she shows no emotion. Nice way to be rid of the burden of the child, get back at grandma and maybe get some money. I wish they would come out with the info on the car evidence so I could make up my mind on whether she killed the child (or she died accidentally) or whether she gave the child to someone. She knows her family would disown her if she told them she gave the child or sold the child so she made up this kidnapping story. I definitely do not believe the kidnapping story.

[kathyn2]

Except for the cadaver dogs hitting on the car and yard, I would be more inclined to think that Casey sold Caylee or even gave her away due to the fact she shows no emotion. Nice way to be rid of the burden of the child, get back at grandma and maybe get some money. I wish they would come out with the info on the car evidence so I could make up my mind on whether she killed the child (or she died accidentally) or whether she gave the child to someone. She knows her family would disown her if she told them she gave the child or sold the child so she made up this kidnapping story. I definitely do not believe the kidnapping story.

[drip~drop]

To clarify the ZG locations per the affidavit.

Casey pointed out a building that's across the street from Amy and claimed ZG lived there in years past. That building was later determined to be Senior citizen housing.

Casey then took the detectives to the Sawgrass apartment and showed them an actual apartment saying that's where she last left Caylee with ZG.

Casey then took detectives to some townhouses and claimed that ZG at one time lived with her mother who owned the townhouse. The neighbors said no one by that name was ever there.


Why O Why does this pos keep lying like this?
Unbelieveable! Like she doesn't understand her lies will be quickly uncovered!

Are we watching something leading up to an insanity plea??:confused:

[Nedthan Johns]

Absolut,

Wonderful websleuthing my dear, that information should be turned over to investigators. Bravo!! Well done! well done!!

[kathyn2]

I am still finding this site quite slow. Did the change over not occur or is it just a problem on my end?

[mom_of_five]

Absolut,

Wonderful websleuthing my dear, that information should be turned over to investigators. Bravo!! Well done! well done!!

That information was turned over the LE by the woman, Zenaida Gonzalez, who was robbed.

[Hailiejade77]

Me too - I truly believe this angel is still with us. Wonder if the Feds are in Puerto Rico. Never thought of that angle. Amy taking her to PR. I always wonder why this Amy would file theft charges against Casey right after she got back. MAYBE - IMO - Amy and this Morales (father or no) believe that Casey did not "deserve" such a beautiful child - but to Casey's face talked her into letting Amy take her to PR for a little "vaca" - then when Casey picks her up from the airport - no Caylee and that's when Amy drops the bomb - you aren't getting her back and I'm going to file charges against you for stealing. Would have loved to have been in that car with them 3 - Cindy, Casey and Caylee - riding around looking. And, wasn't it Amy that called Cindy to tell her where Casey was - or the other way around - Cindy called Amy?




If Caylee had been taken out of the country, wouldn't LE have put that out there? Think about it -- anytime there is a missing child case where crossing the border is a possibility, there is usually some sort of bulletin put out in the national media about it. In fact, there's one right now, the custody case where the father may have kidnapped his daughter and is smuggling her out of the country on a yacht.

What is not being done/said by LE speaks volumes in this case,
IMO.



I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. A previous poster said LOTS of people in Orlando go to Puerto Rico and you don't need a passport to do that. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to Amy, when Amy went to Puerto Rico. Zenaida either went with Amy or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails. People have posted that a few Zenaidas were linked to some "Morales"
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE.

Far fetched I know,.... JMO

[OneLostGrl]

Perhaps a thread regarding mental illness should be made so it is not being continually brought up here. It seems we keep going over this and over this but others are missing the discussion and bring up the same things again

Anyone want to do that?

[liljim]

Is there a bail hearing today? If so, anyone know what time and if it will be broadcast on the web?

there may or may not be an actual (public) hearing, but there should be a decision. they are supposedly considering it right now, not sure exactly what that means, maybe it just means they have received all pertinent documents and it is "in their hands", maybe it means they are actually meeting and discussing it.

[kathyn2]

Former Inmate Says Casey Told Him Caylee Is With Ex-Boyfriend

POSTED: 11:29 am EDT July 30, 2008
UPDATED: 1:29 pm EDT July 30, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The Florida Attorney General issued a response Wednesday to Casey Anthony's attorney's request to get her bond lowered on the same day a former inmate told Eyewitness News about a conversation he allegedly had with the arrested mom.


Also Wednesday, Eyewitness News spoke to a former inmate who allegedly talked with Casey Anthony before her hearing Tuesday and he was told an entirely new story about where Caylee is.

"I was asking her where the baby was. She said, 'I don't have the baby,'" said former inmate Travis Nichols. "Her ex-boyfriend has the baby. She didn't say where."

"Did she say who that was?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked.

"No. And she started smiling and then she went into the cage and went into court," he said.

Nichols admits he was in jail after being accused of burglary, but insists he isn't trying to use the information for his own gain. He doesn't believe what she told him is true and said she's been changing her story left and right.

The jail is checking records to verify that Nichols was in the holding area Tuesday when Casey was there. If they were both there, the jail said it is possible they could have exchanged words through the transparent dividers.

[tehcloser]

Yesterday some one mentioned that Casey had two ex boyfriends that were cops....I found this....
June 9 - Boyfriend (Anthony Lazarro) stated that Casey started living with Amy (GF of the ex cop boyfriend, Ricardo Morales) on this date.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/printthread.php?threadid=335700

Anyone else heard this?

[Nedthan Johns]

Mom of Five,

That is terrific information and too coincidental in my book to not be related to this crime. The posts are hard to decipher, but who was the original poster that discovered this?

[tiredblondy]

Except for the cadaver dogs hitting on the car and yard, I would be more inclined to think that Casey sold Caylee or even gave her away due to the fact she shows no emotion. Nice way to be rid of the burden of the child, get back at grandma and maybe get some money. I wish they would come out with the info on the car evidence so I could make up my mind on whether she killed the child (or she died accidentally) or whether she gave the child to someone. She knows her family would disown her if she told them she gave the child or sold the child so she made up this kidnapping story. I definitely do not believe the kidnapping story.

Getting back at the grandmother. I can sure see that.

[SuziQ]

I am just worried that it is taking so long for the release of the forensics on the car. If they did indeed come back positive, I think the DA would change the charges to murder and that hasn't happened...........yet. I just think they should have known by now if there was human remains there or not.

The case is barely two weeks old. DNA testing is not that simple and not that fast.

[curiositycat]

Amy was interviewed in the beginning I didn't seem too kind about Casey. She wasn't happy about Casey stealing money from her, IIRC. This doesn't sound like she was in on it.

[RoseRed]

I am just worried that it is taking so long for the release of the forensics on the car. If they did indeed come back positive, I think the DA would change the charges to murder and that hasn't happened...........yet. I just think they should have known by now if there was human remains there or not.

I think there were no human remains in the car and LE is keeping her to try and break her and make her talk.

[mom_of_five]

Yesterday some one mentioned that Casey had two ex boyfriends that were cops....I found this....
June 9 - Boyfriend (Anthony Lazarro) stated that Casey started living with Amy (GF of the ex cop boyfriend, Ricardo Morales) on this date.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/printthread.php?threadid=335700

Anyone else heard this?

Sure have.

[ebrich]

I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. A previous poster said LOTS of people in Orlando go to Puerto Rico and you don't need a passport to do that. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to Amy, when Amy went to Puerto Rico. Zenaida either went with Amy or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails. People have posted that a few Zenaidas were linked to some "Morales"
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE.

Far fetched I know,.... JMO

I dont think it is far fetched, at all.

[flagirl61]

The grandmother already knows in her heart that her grandaughter is dead...she's preparing herself by her comments about "if" the police do the investigation right the child will be found...so when/if a body is found she will simply blame police for not finding the child that was "kidnapped"....she isn't able to admit her daughter is a sociopath that killed her baby.




I think the grandmother is starting to crack.

I saw her on two separate local TV news clips (here in Orlando) at noon and she looked absolutely exhausted. Her eyes were flat and she had a dead expression. She looked weaker than I have seen her so far.

One of the reporters asked her why Casey has told so many conflicting stories.

Cindy responded something like: "Because if she feels someone might harm Caylee..." and then she paused, almost like she didn't have the strength to complete the sentence.

My gut feeling is that the evidence is mounting, and it's becoming harder and harder for the grandmother to ignore it. She's being torn in two different directions, love for her granddaughter and SERIOUSLY MISGUIDED loyalty to her horrible daughter.

I hope the forensics on that trunk come back SOON because if they could find Caylee's DNA in that trunk, that will stop a lot of Casey's nonsense in her tracks!!!!

[mom_of_five]

I think there were no human remains in the car and LE is keeping her to try and break her and make her talk.

I'm realllllly hoping you're right that no human remains were found in the car.

[drip~drop]

Perhaps a thread regarding mental illness should be made so it is not being continually brought up here. It seems we keep going over this and over this but others are missing the discussion and bring up the same things again

Anyone want to do that?

I didn't bring up mental illness in that sense OLG. I'm suggesting it's a set-up we are watching.

I hope I didn't offend you in any way. I suffer "issues" myself.

[SuziQ]

Another reminder. Please provide links when copying and pasting quotes from an article. And do not post an entire article. Just the first paragraph indicating there is more or state that it's a snippet of the article.

[mom_of_five]

I dont think it is far fetched, at all.

Like the theory that Casey was planning on meeting up with Caylee and whoever has her. Didn't consider that.

[curiositycat]

Since the interviews we first saw with Cindy there is a marked difference in her demeanor. It's almost as if today she is not saying things with as much conviction as she first did. I think she will break down soon, and fall out of sight for a while. NOT having a "normal" life can really take it's toll after awhile. She won't change her tune, she will just back off..IMHO

[DianeB]

Yesterday some one mentioned that Casey had two ex boyfriends that were cops....I found this....
June 9 - Boyfriend (Anthony Lazarro) stated that Casey started living with Amy (GF of the ex cop boyfriend, Ricardo Morales) on this date.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/printthread.php?threadid=335700

Anyone else heard this?Ricardo Morales is an ex-cop? Where was that noted?

Jesse Grund, another ex-boyfriend, was briefly in LE, and I saw a post the other day speculating that William Waters (a jail visitor) was an ex-BF and possibly in LE. This is the first I've seen about Morales, though.

[ebrich]

Like the theory that Casey was planning on meeting up with Caylee and whoever has her. Didn't consider that.

wouldnt that be nice if her smug smiles and attitude were because she really is confident that her little one is okay.....

[raine1212]

Another reminder. Please provide links when copying and pasting quotes from an article. And do not post an entire article. Just the first paragraph indicating there is more or state that it's a snippet of the article.


sorry SuziQ,
Still a newbie here and learning the ropes

[mom_of_five]

Ricardo Morales is an ex-cop? Where was that noted?

Jesse Grund, another ex-boyfriend, was briefly in LE, and I saw a post the other day speculating that William Walters (a jail visitor) was an ex-BF and possibly in LE. This is the first I've seen about Morales, though.

:eek:

[kathyn2]

I actually agree with you somewhat altho I don't know if Amy is involved because I don't know that anyone would want to be involved in this plot. Especially now with LE involved. If Amy did that I would have gone to the cops if I were her. Is it against the law to give your child to someone?

One thing I do know is that more and more I am beginning to think the child isn't dead and that Casey is playing games with her family and tried to hurt Cindy by what she did. She doesn't act like someone that killed her child or whose child is dead. I also believe Casey is LOVING ALL THIS ATTENTION and all the attention her family is giving her over all this. I think when she gets tired of sitting in jail, or if by chance they bring her up on murder charges she will remember something 'helpful' to get the child back. I think he parents also think this.


I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. A previous poster said LOTS of people in Orlando go to Puerto Rico and you don't need a passport to do that. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to Amy, when Amy went to Puerto Rico. Zenaida either went with Amy or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails. People have posted that a few Zenaidas were linked to some "Morales"
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE.

Far fetched I know,.... JMO

[curiositycat]

I think the grandmother is starting to crack.

I saw her on two separate local TV news clips (here in Orlando) at noon and she looked absolutely exhausted. Her eyes were flat and she had a dead expression. She looked weaker than I have seen her so far.

One of the reporters asked her why Casey has told so many conflicting stories.

Cindy responded something like: "Because if she feels someone might harm Caylee..." and then she paused, almost like she didn't have the strength to complete the sentence.

My gut feeling is that the evidence is mounting, and it's becoming harder and harder for the grandmother to ignore it. She's being torn in two different directions, love for her granddaughter and SERIOUSLY MISGUIDED loyalty to her horrible daughter.

I hope the forensics on that trunk come back SOON because if they could find Caylee's DNA in that trunk, that will stop a lot of Casey's nonsense in her tracks!!!!
Interesting I hadn't seen this when I made a similar comment. I agree completely!:)

[Elley Mae]

William Waters I believe is correct not Walters

[tehcloser]

Ricardo Morales is an ex-cop? Where was that noted?

Jesse Grund, another ex-boyfriend, was briefly in LE, and I saw a post the other day speculating that William Walters (a jail visitor) was an ex-BF and possibly in LE. This is the first I've seen about Morales, though.

I found it at that link, did not know if it was a trust worthy or not, that's why I was asking... I found it while googlin' Amy. First I had heard of it also.

[athy]

Yesterday some one mentioned that Casey had two ex boyfriends that were cops....I found this....
June 9 - Boyfriend (Anthony Lazarro) stated that Casey started living with Amy (GF of the ex cop boyfriend, Ricardo Morales) on this date.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/printthread.php?threadid=335700

Anyone else heard this?


on their timeline they said that it was Ricardo Morales that spoke to casey june 24th and said he heard caylee.... uumm wasn't it Jesse or Tony that said it not RM?

[DianeB]

I think the FBI has probably already gotten the flight manifests for Amy's travel to Puerto Rico to see if she was accompanied by a young child.

[LI_Mom]

I am just worried that it is taking so long for the release of the forensics on the car. If they did indeed come back positive, I think the DA would change the charges to murder and that hasn't happened...........yet. I just think they should have known by now if there was human remains there or not.

I think the longer they hold OFF charging her with murder, the better.

Meanwhile, they are preparing their case & interviewing people.

The defense has a right to demand a 'speedy trial' & the DA sure doesn't want to have to worry about running out of time nailing her for ALL her lies.


Let Casey keep lying. Let Cindy keep whining & spinning her ridiculous theories about pizza & babysitters & what a great mother Casey is..... this will ALL come back to bite Casey in her lying AZZ very soon.

[Medea]

I think the grandmother is starting to crack.

I saw her on two separate local TV news clips (here in Orlando) at noon and she looked absolutely exhausted. Her eyes were flat and she had a dead expression. She looked weaker than I have seen her so far.

One of the reporters asked her why Casey has told so many conflicting stories.

Cindy responded something like: "Because if she feels someone might harm Caylee..." and then she paused, almost like she didn't have the strength to complete the sentence.

My gut feeling is that the evidence is mounting, and it's becoming harder and harder for the grandmother to ignore it. She's being torn in two different directions, love for her granddaughter and SERIOUSLY MISGUIDED loyalty to her horrible daughter.

I hope the forensics on that trunk come back SOON because if they could find Caylee's DNA in that trunk, that will stop a lot of Casey's nonsense in her tracks!!!!

She will just come up with some other story...either the DNA got there innocently or some other crack pot new theory of how the "kidnappers' killed her daughter and put her in the trunk, and so on and so on.

I can't summon up any sympathy for the grandmother. She KNOWS what kind of person her daughter is already...this isn't a case where the person was living a totally normal life on the outside and then up and killed their spouse or something...she already has Casey's number.

[RR0004]

Oh...now they're talking about more pics shown tonight...talking about the "gang symbols" on FOX....guys we are chasing our tails here!!

[RR0004]

I think the longer they hold OFF charging her with murder, the better.

Meanwhile, they are preparing their case & interviewing people.

The defense has a right to demand a 'speedy trial' & the DA sure doesn't want to have to worry about running out of time nailing her for ALL her lies.


Let Casey keep lying. Let Cindy keep whining & spinning her ridiculous theories about pizza & babysitters & what a great mother Casey is..... this will ALL come back to bite Casey in her lying AZZ very soon.
I believe LE needs to file something by 21 days.

[olive]

One thing I do know is that more and more I am beginning to think the child isn't dead and that Casey is playing games with her family and tried to hurt Cindy by what she did. She doesn't act like someone that killed her child or whose child is dead.

I'm glad to hear this. But, kathyn2, what evidence are you referring to that is leading you to think Caylee is still alive?

I'm trying to play catch-up

[kathyn2]

These are all the pictures I sent LE a link for. I wonder if the media got a tip from the cops on these pics?

[murdershewrote]

I've thought for awhile the Casey did all this to get back at her mother and then somebody went badly wrong. The PR idea isn't out of the question. But then doesn't explaint the dogs hitting in human remains.

I haven't kept up here today...but the pic of Casey partying seals it that she certainly wasn't a distraught mother.

[tehcloser]

So many stories, and still no one wants to step forward for Caylees' sake....someone has to know. Hopefully they will stand up soon......

[Blink34]

Absolut,

Wonderful websleuthing my dear, that information should be turned over to investigators. Bravo!! Well done! well done!!

They have it, I believe that ZG has already spoken to LE.

[curiositycat]

They just had Steph Watts, from GVS show, being interviewed from Orlando. He said he has been on the ground and was in Fusion last night, today and will go back tomorrow. He said they will have some other pics tonight. He could have saved himself the trip by just checking out the links here! LOL

[SuziQ]

These are all the pictures I sent LE a link for. I wonder if the media got a tip from the cops on these pics?

The media reads here.

[Blink34]

Ricardo Morales is an ex-cop? Where was that noted?

Jesse Grund, another ex-boyfriend, was briefly in LE, and I saw a post the other day speculating that William Waters (a jail visitor) was an ex-BF and possibly in LE. This is the first I've seen about Morales, though.

D- just to note Bill Waters was a no show last eve

[mom_of_five]

I've been bombarded with PM requests for my theory, and I wanted to make it clear to everyone why I haven't posted the theory on the main boards. Initially, I was concerned for the safety of my own family (since an ex-LE is involved in my theory). Then I slowly began wondering if Casey herself was in on Caylee's disappearance (the ALIVE theory). However, now I believe Casey is fully aware that Caylee is safe. And, as I've said a number of times here, I'm convinced Caylee is better off where she is. I realize some of you will disagree with that (that she's better off where she is), but that's my stance as of now.

Now what I am awaiting forensic results. Those will fuel my theory or stop it in its tracks.

[curiositycat]

So many stories, and still no one wants to step forward for Caylees' sake....someone has to know. Hopefully they will stand up soon......
Unfortunately, this is what makes me think that poor Caylee is no longer with us. If any ONE of Casey's friends knew about this I would think that LE would be close to finding this out, if they haven't already done so.:mad:

[Patty G]

Bond decision

[Patty G]

coming up on FOX

[kathyn2]

No evidence that I think she is alive. Just a gut feeling that there is a little truth in Casey's lies and that there is just nothing in her that flashes that the child is dead. Also, her smug attitude and her enjoyment of all the attention she is getting. I just believe she knows her child is ok but the thing I don't understand is why whoever has her wouldn't come forward with all that is going on. I think she must have given the child to some very unsavory characters or as someone else pointed out, she gave her to someone that took her out of the country (altho casey says she is close by so that is odd). I just have a gut feeling the child isn't dead but I don't believe for a second she was kidnapped. I think something may have gone awry with Casey's plan tho with this child and the unsavory characters she was involved with. It is possible she doesn't know what they have done with her kid now.

[ebrich]

The media reads here.
DEAR MEDIA: tell them to change that tip number on their website!

[whiteangora]

Amy was interviewed in the beginning I didn't seem too kind about Casey. She wasn't happy about Casey stealing money from her, IIRC. This doesn't sound like she was in on it.

I agree with you. Plus, if Caylee was on any plane there would be records,airport videos, something that would prove she flew somewhere.

[Patty G]

New photos coming out OTR tonight

[Blink34]

The media reads here.

As does LE, but Padilla was quoted as saying that LE has had those pics very early on. They have an entire computer forensics team dedicated to this case right now, that's why everybody went to private on their myspaces and started deleting posts immediately.

[LI_Mom]

I think the grandmother is starting to crack.

I saw her on two separate local TV news clips (here in Orlando) at noon and she looked absolutely exhausted. Her eyes were flat and she had a dead expression. She looked weaker than I have seen her so far.

One of the reporters asked her why Casey has told so many conflicting stories.

Cindy responded something like: "Because if she feels someone might harm Caylee..." and then she paused, almost like she didn't have the strength to complete the sentence.

My gut feeling is that the evidence is mounting, and it's becoming harder and harder for the grandmother to ignore it. She's being torn in two different directions, love for her granddaughter and SERIOUSLY MISGUIDED loyalty to her horrible daughter.

I hope the forensics on that trunk come back SOON because if they could find Caylee's DNA in that trunk, that will stop a lot of Casey's nonsense in her tracks!!!!

ITA.

I caught that clip of Cindy today.... she looks like she is whipped.

In my heart, I think Cindy is only doing what she believes is right... I'm sure her family has asked her to stop making her crazy comments but she just can't... because it's the ONLY thing that's keeping her from falling completely apart.

[curiositycat]

I've been bombarded with PM requests for my theory, and I wanted to make it clear to everyone why I haven't posted the theory on the main boards. Initially, I was concerned for the safety of my own family (since an ex-LE is involved in my theory). Then I slowly began wondering if Casey herself was in on Caylee's disappearance (the ALIVE theory). However, now I believe Casey is fully aware that Caylee is safe. And, as I've said a number of times here, I'm convinced Caylee is better off where she is. I realize some of you will disagree with that (that she's better off where she is), but that's my stance as of now.

Now what I am awaiting forensic results. Those will fuel my theory or stop it in its tracks.
I will say that I think she has some kind-of connection with LE, that's not good. You could be correct. Like you said forensics are the key.

[RoseRed]

I've been bombarded with PM requests for my theory, and I wanted to make it clear to everyone why I haven't posted the theory on the main boards. Initially, I was concerned for the safety of my own family (since an ex-LE is involved in my theory). Then I slowly began wondering if Casey herself was in on Caylee's disappearance (the ALIVE theory). However, now I believe Casey is fully aware that Caylee is safe. And, as I've said a number of times here, I'm convinced Caylee is better off where she is. I realize some of you will disagree with that (that she's better off where she is), but that's my stance as of now.

Now what I am awaiting forensic results. Those will fuel my theory or stop it in its tracks.

I totally agree as am I waiting on forensics before making any decision on anyone's guilt.

[Patty G]

Grrrrrrr. FOX still waiting on Bond Decision.

[imnotheonlyone]

D- just to note Bill Waters was a no show last eve

I believe that these NO SHOWS are due to the family contacting these individuals and asking them not to visit. Patrick was contacted by Casey's family after his televised visit and asked not to return.

[Hailiejade77]

I heard on tv that they have until August 18th to charge Casey otherwise she gets out of jail.

[Blink34]

I will say that I think she has some kind-of connection with LE, that's not good. You could be correct. Like you said forensics are the key.
who are you referring to that is associated with LE?

[whiteangora]

I've been bombarded with PM requests for my theory, and I wanted to make it clear to everyone why I haven't posted the theory on the main boards. Initially, I was concerned for the safety of my own family (since an ex-LE is involved in my theory). Then I slowly began wondering if Casey herself was in on Caylee's disappearance (the ALIVE theory). However, now I believe Casey is fully aware that Caylee is safe. And, as I've said a number of times here, I'm convinced Caylee is better off where she is. I realize some of you will disagree with that (that she's better off where she is), but that's my stance as of now.

Now what I am awaiting forensic results. Those will fuel my theory or stop it in its tracks.

I really think that if you feel you can help in any way that you (or have a friend) contact the Orlando Police. You are really giving me the impression that you know something. jmo
I apologize in advance if I am way off base.

[ketel0ne]

I've been bombarded with PM requests for my theory, and I wanted to make it clear to everyone why I haven't posted the theory on the main boards. Initially, I was concerned for the safety of my own family (since an ex-LE is involved in my theory). Then I slowly began wondering if Casey herself was in on Caylee's disappearance (the ALIVE theory). However, now I believe Casey is fully aware that Caylee is safe. And, as I've said a number of times here, I'm convinced Caylee is better off where she is. I realize some of you will disagree with that (that she's better off where she is), but that's my stance as of now.

Now what I am awaiting forensic results. Those will fuel my theory or stop it in its tracks.

If it is a theory about a very specific ex LE i wouldn't put it on here, just because previous speculation into them turned out pretty bizarre.

[OneLostGrl]

I didn't bring up mental illness in that sense OLG. I'm suggesting it's a set-up we are watching.

I hope I didn't offend you in any way. I suffer "issues" myself.

nonono, I didn't mean it like that, honestly!! I'm not offended in anyway! I'm nuts, I know I'm nuts- It's nothing new I came to terms with it years ago.

I'm not saying this chick isn't sick, she most likely is, she reminds me of the "old" me in many ways (my child is alive though and has actually made it to teenage years without me killing him LOL).

I just see the same discussions, the same questions and links to pages that tell about different mental illness that Casey (and Cindy) may have several times a day. The threads are so long that other are not seeing that these things have already been discussed so we take up more time and space going into it yet again.

It just seems it would be more productive it we put all that information in one thread so people could see we have already discussed it. It would also enable others to discuss mental health issues they find informative while keeping this thread on an even keel rather than back tracking all the time.

I'm not trying to tell anyone to do anything I just see it as a much more productive way to discuss the mental illness issues we ALL see in this family.

[DianeB]

I believe that these NO SHOWS are due to the family contacting these individuals and asking them not to visit. Patrick was contacted by Casey's family after his televised visit and asked not to return.Really? He told you that?

[SuziQ]

I believe that these NO SHOWS are due to the family contacting these individuals and asking them not to visit. Patrick was contacted by Casey's family after his televised visit and asked not to return.

He was? That's interesting. Where did you see/hear that?

[mom_of_five]

I totally agree as am I waiting on forensics before making any decision on anyone's guilt.

Definitely. Just accusing someone of something can ruin their lives, and I'm not going to be part of that.

[SWAG1959]

I saw that too and now it seems the media wants to put another spin on this by all that talk of "flashing gang signs".

[Medea]

ITA.

I caught that clip of Cindy today.... she looks like she is whipped.

In my heart, I think Cindy is only doing what she believes is right... I'm sure her family has asked her to stop making her crazy comments but she just can't... because it's the ONLY thing that's keeping her from falling completely apart.

Well, she has a pretty whacked out notion of 'right' then.

I'm always amazed at how frequently people go into total denial mode rather than face unpleasant facts, even though you see it in so many cases if not almost every case where the loved ones will claim innocence/frame job in the face of any evidence, no matter how compelling.

She needs to be at the jail begging her daughter to tell the truth and promising to get her the help she needs, not out complaining about the police.

[mom_of_five]

If it is a theory about a very specific ex LE i wouldn't put it on here, just because previous speculation into them turned out pretty bizarre.

Thanks. I agree completely.

[Blink34]

I've been bombarded with PM requests for my theory, and I wanted to make it clear to everyone why I haven't posted the theory on the main boards. Initially, I was concerned for the safety of my own family (since an ex-LE is involved in my theory). Then I slowly began wondering if Casey herself was in on Caylee's disappearance (the ALIVE theory). However, now I believe Casey is fully aware that Caylee is safe. And, as I've said a number of times here, I'm convinced Caylee is better off where she is. I realize some of you will disagree with that (that she's better off where she is), but that's my stance as of now.

Now what I am awaiting forensic results. Those will fuel my theory or stop it in its tracks.

If you are referring to Jesus's Mom, Zenaida Ortiz, and that Caylee is with her, that has already been invetigated, she is not, fyi.

[Patty G]

I heard on tv that they have until August 18th to charge Casey otherwise she gets out of jail.


I thought she was free to go now but has to put up the bail ... she has been charged already with Obstruction, Child Negligence or Neglect ...

[Hailiejade77]

Originally Posted by Hailiejade77 View Post
I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. A previous poster said LOTS of people in Orlando go to Puerto Rico and you don't need a passport to do that. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to Amy, when Amy went to Puerto Rico. Zenaida either went with Amy or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails. People have posted that a few Zenaidas were linked to some "Morales"
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE.

Far fetched I know,.... JMO


bumping my post,.. but as some pointed out that Amy probably wouldn't have done this. BUT what if Zenaida did.
WHO was it that posted that it was easy to go from Orlando to Puerto Rico??? Would they in fact need to show proof they could take Caylee over the border? Could they take her over the border by hiding her?

[OneLostGrl]

I actually agree with you somewhat altho I don't know if Amy is involved because I don't know that anyone would want to be involved in this plot. Especially now with LE involved. If Amy did that I would have gone to the cops if I were her. Is it against the law to give your child to someone?

One thing I do know is that more and more I am beginning to think the child isn't dead and that Casey is playing games with her family and tried to hurt Cindy by what she did. She doesn't act like someone that killed her child or whose child is dead. I also believe Casey is LOVING ALL THIS ATTENTION and all the attention her family is giving her over all this. I think when she gets tired of sitting in jail, or if by chance they bring her up on murder charges she will remember something 'helpful' to get the child back. I think he parents also think this.

I thought the same thing for quiet awhile, that Casey was simply keeping the baby from Cindy but what about the Decomp odor in the trunk?!

[olive]

I believe that these NO SHOWS are due to the family contacting these individuals and asking them not to visit. Patrick was contacted by Casey's family after his televised visit and asked not to return.

How do you know this?

[mom_of_five]

I really think that if you feel you can help in any way that you (or have a friend) contact the Orlando Police. You are really giving me the impression that you know something. jmo
I apologize in advance if I am way off base.

I'm sorry if I'm giving the impression that I have insider information of some sorts. Please be assured that I do NOT. It is simply one theory of many that have been proposed here. Nothing more, nothing less.

[kathyn2]

http://www.wftv.com/index.html

READ RESPONSE: Attorney General Response To Reduced Bond Request

The AG has voted with the judge on the bond issue. What is next??? Has it gone up to a higher court? Is that what we are waiting for right now concerning her bond hearing?

[LI_Mom]

I believe LE needs to file something by 21 days.


Well, maybe they'll pick some other charge (there's GOT to be something!) & hold off on the murder charge for as long as they can?

[SWAG1959]

I said last night that I think Cindy is now being "medicated" - and today she looks even worse - JMO

[flagirl61]

Interesting I hadn't seen this when I made a similar comment. I agree completely!:)


Funny, I hadn't seen your comment either. Interesting that we both had the same reaction!

[curiositycat]

I've been bombarded with PM requests for my theory, and I wanted to make it clear to everyone why I haven't posted the theory on the main boards. Initially, I was concerned for the safety of my own family (since an ex-LE is involved in my theory). Then I slowly began wondering if Casey herself was in on Caylee's disappearance (the ALIVE theory). However, now I believe Casey is fully aware that Caylee is safe. And, as I've said a number of times here, I'm convinced Caylee is better off where she is. I realize some of you will disagree with that (that she's better off where she is), but that's my stance as of now.

Now what I am awaiting forensic results. Those will fuel my theory or stop it in its tracks.
mom, I remember the from the first time you came on you said you wanted to share your theory but you were afraid for your own family.
Please forgive me, I mean you no disrespect but logically if you feel this way(and I have to admit I am curious as to who you are and what you do know) Why don't you bypass local LE and call the FBI. It almost sounds as if your theory is based on some TRUTH that you know.
I understand that when you have information regarding a LEO it is spooky and makes a person paranoid. My ex was a cop, I know what "thats" like
If you do know something go to the FBI. Not the tipline, but call local FBI..you can find info in the whitepages under government.
Sorry, but see there is no way any of us here could know your name, or your location. So, I can't see the paranoia, unless you are some one in Orlando who knows something.
If I am WAY off base here, forgive me. It's just that I am trying to understand how you think someone here could figure out who you are??
With much respect,
cat

[tiredblondy]

The thing that worries me is something Liltigress said in the other thread that referred to what Casey told the inmate in jail. That Caylee is with her boyfriend or ex-boyfriend. That could be Jesus who she said was the father. He is dead. If Caylee is dead Casey could have convinced herself that she is safe now and with him.

[Nedthan Johns]

Hailie: "I heard on tv that they have until August 18th to charge Casey otherwise she gets out of jail."
Good information, it shouldn't be long before we hear the charges and evidence against her.

[mom_of_five]

If you are referring to Jesus's Mom, Zenaida Ortiz, and that Caylee is with her, that has already been invetigated, she is not, fyi.

Thank you. That isn't what I'm referring to, however.

[OneLostGrl]

Oh...now they're talking about more pics shown tonight...talking about the "gang symbols" on FOX....guys we are chasing our tails here!!

I don't know why everyone is calling them gang symbols, all the kids and young adults throw up those hand signs nowdays.

[olive]

I'm sorry if I'm giving the impression that I have insider information of some sorts. Please be assured that I do NOT. It is simply one theory of many that have been proposed here. Nothing more, nothing less.

I find it curious that you say you feel Caylee is better off where she is now. What would cause you to feel that way?

[Sweetyhide]

I saw that too and now it seems the media wants to put another spin on this by all that talk of "flashing gang signs".

Lordy! They sure are reaching http://members.aol.com/sweetyhide2/smileys/a/shakinghead.gif

[curiositycat]

I said last night that I think Cindy is now being "medicated" - and today she looks even worse - JMO
True!! It sure appears that way!

[olive]

If you are referring to Jesus's Mom, Zenaida Ortiz, and that Caylee is with her, that has already been invetigated, she is not, fyi.

Did LE investigate this?

[SuziQ]

There is a thread for theories here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67854

[ketel0ne]

I am starting to think we are reaching on here too. Very combative today.

[Hailiejade77]

I thought she was free to go now but has to put up the bail ... she has been charged already with Obstruction, Child Negligence or Neglect ...

if she can't put up bail

[liltigress]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7094186&version=21&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- A panel of judges is meeting to decide whether or not Casey Anthony's bail will be lowered.Jose Baez, Anthony's lawyer filed a petition to lower the $500,000 bail on July 25 set by Orange County Judge Strickland just days before.

Right now, in Daytona Beach at the Fifth District Court of Appeals, three judges are discussing the petition. Today, Baez had to file Anthony's psych evaluation that Judge Strickland ordered. The attorney general had to file a response to the bail reduction.

Bolded by me. I believe this was posted already but wanted to point this out.

[mom_of_five]

mom, I remember the from the first time you came on you said you wanted to share your theory but you were afraid for your own family.
Please forgive me, I mean you no disrespect but logically if you feel this way(and I have to admit I am curious as to who you are and what you do know) Why don't you bypass local LE and call the FBI. It almost sounds as if your theory is based on some TRUTH that you know.
I understand that when you have information regarding a LEO it is spooky and makes a person paranoid. My ex was a cop, I know what "thats" like
If you do know something go to the FBI. Not the tipline, but call local FBI..you can find info in the whitepages under government.
Sorry, but see there is no way any of us here could know your name, or your location. So, I can't see the paranoia, unless you are some one in Orlando who knows something.
If I am WAY off base here, forgive me. It's just that I am trying to understand how you think someone here could figure out who you are??
With much respect,
cat

I think it stems from the knowledge that all of us here have been able to dig up so much on all the players in this case...

[lostnfound85]

The liklihood that someone has been running around with Caylee and not been seen and tracked by now is very low, if they are anywhere in the U.S. including P.Rico. Also, they would have to be not too bright to not think Casey would say they kidnapped the child instead of "gave" them the child if they were ever caught.

[SuziQ]

It appears that Jesse Ortiz is not Caylee's father.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7096243&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

(snip)
Tom: "Carlos, we are letting our viewers send us questions and there is one that just keeps coming up over and over again. I was wondering if I could put it to you. This one comes specifically from one of our viewers in Orange County, who asks, 'Where is Caley Anthony's father and have police talked to them?' Him or his family. What do you know about that? What can you tell us?"

Padilla: "The only thing we know is what was told to us by the family, that the father died, I guess, about a year ago, somewhere in the Carolinas in a car accident. So, no. We've obviously not spoken to the father or his family."

[curiositycat]

absolut i agree. I think we are reaching too far. It's simple really. We have to look at what we see with our eyes and hear with our ears. It's right in front of us, we just don't want to believe it.
There was an attorney on tv with Meghan Kelly last night he said "You are looking for logical answers to behavior that isn't logical and there are none" I think it said it well.

[Cheetah]

bumping my post,.. but as some pointed out that Amy probably wouldn't have done this. BUT what if Zenaida did.
WHO was it that posted that it was easy to go from Orlando to Puerto Rico??? Would they in fact need to show proof they could take Caylee over the border? Could they take her over the border by hiding her?

Going to Puerto Rico is not going over the border as it's a US territory. They would require the same documentation needed to fly within the US.

I lived in Orlando for a few years...there are MANY people from Puerto Rico who have relocated there. I'm thinking the reasons they say it's easy to get there from Orlando is because there are several daily flights. You can fly to PR from anywhere within the US and it's like going to any other state.

Okay..back to lurking, everyone is doing such a super job (as always):blowkiss:

[mom_of_five]

I am starting to think we are reaching on here too. Very combative today.

I couldn't agree more. I actually registered here after lurking for awhile and noticing that everyone was treated so nicely. I'm beginning to feel interrogated myself...:waitasec:

[mysteriew]

That information was turned over the LE by the woman, Zenaida Gonzalez, who was robbed.

The info also needs to be turned over to the investigators who are investigating Casey's case. If the burglary investigators for any reason don't place a priority on this info, then they may not pass on the info.

[curiositycat]

I think it stems from the knowledge that all of us here have been able to dig up so much on all the players in this case...
WOW. I get it now. I understand what you are saying! Hmmmmnn. :eek:

[liltigress]

I think it stems from the knowledge that all of us here have been able to dig up so much on all the players in this case...

I think I know where you're going with this. Stay on it. There is a squeaky wheel and it's got my attention.

[whiteangora]

Originally Posted by Hailiejade77 View Post
I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. A previous poster said LOTS of people in Orlando go to Puerto Rico and you don't need a passport to do that. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to Amy, when Amy went to Puerto Rico. Zenaida either went with Amy or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails. People have posted that a few Zenaidas were linked to some "Morales"
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE.

Far fetched I know,.... JMO


bumping my post,.. but as some pointed out that Amy probably wouldn't have done this. BUT what if Zenaida did.
WHO was it that posted that it was easy to go from Orlando to Puerto Rico??? Would they in fact need to show proof they could take Caylee over the border? Could they take her over the border by hiding her?

How could you hide her on a plane? You can't just drive to PR, there's water in the way.
Maybe a private boat was used?
Blek...now I'm buying into this.

[imnotheonlyone]

Really? He told you that?

Yes, he did.

[mysteriew]

I couldn't agree more. I actually registered here after lurking for awhile and noticing that everyone was treated so nicely. I'm beginning to feel interrogated myself...:waitasec:

Hang in there. This case has gotten very involved, with a lot of info being discovered and several possible theories. When that happens, most feel they have to 'shout' to be heard. LOL, it really isn't personal.

[flagirl61]

ITA.
.... her family has asked her to stop making her crazy comments but she just can't... because it's the ONLY thing that's keeping her from falling completely apart.


ITA - she WOULD fall completely apart if she faced the possibility that Casey harmed or killed Caylee, whether directly or indirectly.

I think based on the early 911 calls that Cindy made, it sounds like she was starting to face the truth. The comments she made about the "dead body" smell; the time she told Casey she wouldn't be in jail if she weren't telling "all those lies..."

I think it ultimately was so scary and overwhelming to the grandmother that she started to backpeddle.

"Us against the world" is something she is able to process right now. She can withstand that load. Just barely.

But having to face the possibility that her daughter is a sociopathic monster? She can't do it. Not yet, anyway.

[Medea]

absolut i agree. I think we are reaching too far. It's simple really. We have to look at what we see with our eyes and hear with our ears. It's right in front of us, we just don't want to believe it.
There was an attorney on tv with Meghan Kelly last night he said "You are looking for logical answers to behavior that isn't logical and there are none" I think it said it well.

I agree. Common sense plus an analysis of the evidence points pretty strongly to Casey as a sociopathic/narcissist who killed her daughter while on an 'extended' vacation.

It is true that innocent people lie, but usually there is a reasonable explanation for why they lied.. Being afraid of 'kidnappers' and claiming you spent several weeks trying to find your toddler when you can't even prove the alleged baby sitter exists doesn't fall into the category of understandible lie.

I disagree about there not being logic...Casey's logic was that she didn't want the baby anymore, since she's got some type of personality disorder, using her logic, disposing of the baby is the best option...she's not too smart though, so she's gotten caught in her lies....

[Nedthan Johns]

Curious has the family of this alledged father come out to deny or support these claims that he is the father, and since he is dead, is it not strange that the family would not want to be involved somehow in Caylee's life since she is his blood?

[SuziQ]

I couldn't agree more. I actually registered here after lurking for awhile and noticing that everyone was treated so nicely. I'm beginning to feel interrogated myself...:waitasec:

Lol, it's because you are being so cryptic and people want answers.

[afield]

I couldn't agree more. I actually registered here after lurking for awhile and noticing that everyone was treated so nicely. I'm beginning to feel interrogated myself...:waitasec:

It always get like this when the high profile/big cases get under our skin.

Did you lurk during the Laci Peterson days? It was almost like this. People get emotional and can't always hold back.

Please don't take anything on here personal.

[liltigress]

I couldn't agree more. I actually registered here after lurking for awhile and noticing that everyone was treated so nicely. I'm beginning to feel interrogated myself...:waitasec:

LOL Don't feel interrogated. It's like sharks in a shark tank. Everyone is hungry for information since we are being fed so little.

I love watching how SuziQ throws out a little bit of information and we all dive on it and start creating theories.

Keep on keepin on... lol

[AZ.Storm]

Originally Posted by Hailiejade77 View Post
I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. A previous poster said LOTS of people in Orlando go to Puerto Rico and you don't need a passport to do that. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to Amy, when Amy went to Puerto Rico. Zenaida either went with Amy or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails. People have posted that a few Zenaidas were linked to some "Morales"
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE.

Far fetched I know,.... JMO


bumping my post,.. but as some pointed out that Amy probably wouldn't have done this. BUT what if Zenaida did.
WHO was it that posted that it was easy to go from Orlando to Puerto Rico??? Would they in fact need to show proof they could take Caylee over the border? Could they take her over the border by hiding her?

Caylee is old enough she would need her own ticket. We have flown many times with young children and some airlines require the child's birth certificate, too. It would be easy to check and see if Amy flew out with a child. Caylee is way too big to pass a 1 year old and with them having different last names, it would look suspicious. But all they would have to do is check the flight to see if Amy had a child with her.

[curiositycat]

Mom, I apologize I just didn't get it at first!! DUH!!!! In a strange way it makes a lot of sense.

[olive]

Curious has the family of this alledged father come out to deny or support these claims that he is the father, and since he is dead, is it not strange that the family would not want to be involved somehow in Caylee's life since she is his blood?

Whoever the father is...I don't think he (or his family) were ever told he was the father. They probably have no idea. (Unless they read websleuths...and are now starting to wonder:eek:)

[mom_of_five]

WOW. I get it now. I understand what you are saying! Hmmmmnn. :eek:

Whew...sorry it had to be in code somewhat....

[liltigress]

Yes, he did.

:waitasec: And he reported that to LE?

[olive]

Mom, I apologize I just didn't get it at first!! DUH!!!! In a strange way it makes a lot of sense.

Well, I feel pretty stupid, cause I still don't get it!!

[DianeB]

I said last night that I think Cindy is now being "medicated" - and today she looks even worse - JMOThe strain of trying to maintain a good public image for her daughter has got to be tremendous.

With each passing day, a little bit more of the truth leaks out (yesterday it was her habit of stealing gas from her family, who knows what today will bring).

[Nedthan Johns]

Medea, excellent posts, stick with the facts folks, crimes are usually what they seem. Most don't involve drug smugglers, bad drug deals, kidnappers, etc.

Pay close attention to the inner actions of the family and to the hard evidence in this case. Fact is a TRAINED investigator smelled decompostion in the trunk of Casey's care. Casey's mom, a trained nurse smelled decomposition in that car. The child is missing and the last KNOWN person to see her was Casey. Everything she told investigators are lies.

[OneLostGrl]

I couldn't agree more. I actually registered here after lurking for awhile and noticing that everyone was treated so nicely. I'm beginning to feel interrogated myself...:waitasec:

I don't blame you!

Y'all she said from the start that what she is thinking is simply her theory!

[SuziQ]

Curious has the family of this alledged father come out to deny or support these claims that he is the father, and since he is dead, is it not strange that the family would not want to be involved somehow in Caylee's life since she is his blood?

That would depend on whether the Anthony family is saying is true. The family got their info from Casey. She showed an obit to Cindy. Cindy says she believes her daughter who we know is a liar. As far as we know, no one has met said father.

[mom_of_five]

Hang in there. This case has gotten very involved, with a lot of info being discovered and several possible theories. When that happens, most feel they have to 'shout' to be heard. LOL, it really isn't personal.

I've not taken anything personally at all...problem is I'm not a shouter, so I get lost in the noise...:)

[curiositycat]

Whew...sorry it had to be in code somewhat....
Some of us have been trained to look for "code". ROFL:Banane39::Banane39::Banane39::Banane39::Banan e39::Banane39:

[SuziQ]

LOL Don't feel interrogated. It's like sharks in a shark tank. Everyone is hungry for information since we are being fed so little.

I love watching how SuziQ throws out a little bit of information and we all dive on it and start creating theories.

Keep on keepin on... lol

I'm throwing out information trying to keep speculation down! lol

[LI_Mom]

But having to face the possibility that her daughter is a sociopathic monster? She can't do it. Not yet, anyway.

Exactly!

What's the rush? She will have a whole lifetime to face the horror & only a very short time to still have faith that her family might get past this nightmare.

[tehcloser]

The topic is not mom and her theory which she will not post....why are we talking about it? Just sayin'

[tiredblondy]

How could you hide her on a plane? You can't just drive to PR, there's water in the way.
Maybe a private boat was used?
Blek...now I'm buying into this.

I will always believe Trenton Duckett was the little boy on the plane that the stewardess called about with a fake birth certificate. JMO

[SWAG1959]

Medea, excellent posts, stick with the facts folks, crimes are usually what they seem. Most don't involve drug smugglers, bad drug deals, kidnappers, etc.

Pay close attention to the inner actions of the family and to the hard evidence in this case. Fact is a TRAINED investigator smelled decompostion in the trunk of Casey's care. Casey's mom, a trained nurse smelled decomposition in that car. The child is missing and the last KNOWN person to see her was Casey. Everything she told investigators are lies.
No - not really - the last person KNOWN to have seen her is Cindy - we have never heard when Cindy turned Caylee back over to Casey - the last documented picture of Caylee was at the nursing home.

[SuziQ]

Yes, he did.

Wow! Thank you!

[Medea]

No - not really - the last person KNOWN to have seen her is Cindy - we have never heard when Cindy turned Caylee back over to Casey - the last documented picture of Caylee was at the nursing home.

That's not my interpretation of the information...Casey and Caylee went on the 'vacation' and Cindy never talked to the grandaughter..

It was Cindy NOT Casey who called 911 to report her grandaughter missing, I think its correct that Casey is the last person known to be with Caylee..even she puts herself having the baby after Cindy...only she gives the child to a non existant nanny or ex boyfriend...

[LI_Mom]

Medea, excellent posts, stick with the facts folks, crimes are usually what they seem. Most don't involve drug smugglers, bad drug deals, kidnappers, etc.

Pay close attention to the inner actions of the family and to the hard evidence in this case. Fact is a TRAINED investigator smelled decompostion in the trunk of Casey's care. Casey's mom, a trained nurse smelled decomposition in that car. The child is missing and the last KNOWN person to see her was Casey. Everything she told investigators are lies.

And Casey didn't tell ANYONE she was searching for her missing baby.... and even when her mother FINALLY got her to admit Caylee was missing.... she wanted "one more day".... I guess to hit a couple of bars she missed the previous month. lol


Other than that.... it's looking real good for Casey. :rolleyes:

[liltigress]

I believe that these NO SHOWS are due to the family contacting these individuals and asking them not to visit. Patrick was contacted by Casey's family after his televised visit and asked not to return.

Someone needs to cut their internet access so they can't see the visitors log anymore... Interesting..

[*~Aimee~*]

Medea, excellent posts, stick with the facts folks, crimes are usually what they seem. Most don't involve drug smugglers, bad drug deals, kidnappers, etc.

Pay close attention to the inner actions of the family and to the hard evidence in this case. Fact is a TRAINED investigator smelled decompostion in the trunk of Casey's care. Casey's mom, a trained nurse smelled decomposition in that car. The child is missing and the last KNOWN person to see her was Casey. Everything she told investigators are lies.

I do agree with everything you said. It does not look good for Caylee.

Morning/Afternoon everyone. I tried to get on last night but site was down. :( so now gonna try and read some. You all are awesome with staying on top of everything. I love WS and it's members. :blowkiss:

[tehcloser]

Well I hope that Mike can get his messages in some other way if Patrick can't go back...wink wink.

[SWAG1959]

Someone needs to cut their internet access so they can't see the visitors log anymore... Interesting..
Speaking of the visitors and no shows and all. I heard either last night or this morning (and I believe it was from the PR police guy Padilla) that Casey has had 11 visitors (or visitations) he named mom and dad and lee and then he said there was a private investigator that was hired by the family. Did anyone else catch that?

And did anyone ever find out who this William Waters was that was a no show last night?

[CarrieSis]

Can't verify the inmate conversation ever took place:

http://www.local6.com/news/17039139/detail.html

[mom_of_five]

No - not really - the last person KNOWN to have seen her is Cindy - we have never heard when Cindy turned Caylee back over to Casey - the last documented picture of Caylee was at the nursing home.

This is true.

[afield]

Well I hope that Mike can get his messages in some other way if Patrick can't go back...wink wink.

No doubt

[DianeB]

That's not my interpretation of the information...Casey and Caylee went on the 'vacation' and Cindy never talked to the grandaughter..

It was Cindy NOT Casey who called 911 to report her grandaughter missing, I think its correct that Casey is the last person known to be with Caylee..even she puts herself having the baby after Cindy...only she gives the child to a non existant nanny or ex boyfriend...The more I think about it, the more I think Casey left her child with a real person (but not Zanny The Nanny, by any means) so she could go and hang with her new BF at his place after she stormed out of her parents' house. I think something happened to Caylee while she was with this person(s), and by the time Casey went to pick her up she was dead.

But it's just a guess.

[RoseRed]

I think most of Casey's friends will be no shows since the gag order was denied. I don't blame them one bit as I would not want to be seen as a media sensation.

[mom_of_five]

That's not my interpretation of the information...Casey and Caylee went on the 'vacation' and Cindy never talked to the grandaughter..

It was Cindy NOT Casey who called 911 to report her grandaughter missing, I think its correct that Casey is the last person known to be with Caylee..even she puts herself having the baby after Cindy...only she gives the child to a non existant nanny or ex boyfriend...

Also true.

[Hailiejade77]

How could you hide her on a plane? You can't just drive to PR, there's water in the way.
Maybe a private boat was used?
Blek...now I'm buying into this.

i meant a boat

[olive]

And did anyone ever find out who this William Waters was that was a no show last night?
Apparently he was an ex-boyfriend.

[swa]

I think it stems from the knowledge that all of us here have been able to dig up so much on all the players in this case...

Wouldn't it be fantastic if the panel of judges came back and lowered it to $499,999.99?

OR If they raised it to a million . . .

[mysteriew]

I've not taken anything personally at all...problem is I'm not a shouter, so I get lost in the noise...:)

LOL, I know what you mean. I'm not a shouter either. And when a thread is moving quickly, with multiple theories, and everyone thinks their theory is the correct one, then sometimes feelings get hurt. In that case, a thread can get pretty nasty and the focus gets lost. The important thing is the finding of info.

Everybody's theories are equal, until the actual info is released.

[ebrich]

has anyone posted the interview of the inmate?
http://www.wftv.com/video/17039691/index.html

[curiositycat]

I couldn't agree more. I actually registered here after lurking for awhile and noticing that everyone was treated so nicely. I'm beginning to feel interrogated myself...:waitasec:
I would probably not be alone in telling you that when I first came on WS's I thought something similar.
Most of the people that come here to discuss cases are very analytical.
I have learned here many lessons, and one of them is that people aren't being confrontational at all. It's the way we handle information. We like facts so that we can analyze them.
I don't consider you one that sits back. If you did we wouldn't have been wondering what you were trying to say.
Having said that I am not sure I buy your theory. It's not about you personally, it's just that frankly I don't know what the heck is going on in this crazy case. It's all frustrating and it's hard to come to anyone conclusion.

[afield]

Maybe Casey couldn't find a sitter and left her in the car to party. Trunk maybe?

[olive]

imnottheonlyone-

Did Patrick say why he was there to visit Casey? Did he mention this Mike guy?

[mom_of_five]

Can't verify the inmate conversation ever took place:

http://www.local6.com/news/17039139/detail.html

Could be lots of reasons for this...

[whiteangora]

Has there been any mention of Casey and Lee's 45 minute video meeting
being released? Sorry if this has been covered today

[DianeB]

Maybe Casey couldn't find a sitter and left her in the car to party. Trunk maybe?I just can't see her doing this as long as Caylee was alive. Why take her out of a carseat to put her in the trunk? What if someone saw her?

[January.]

I love how Fox News is taking credit for "uncovering" the Fusian photos of Casey when the sleuthers here found those last week. :rolleyes:

[cricket]

Just for comparision re the $500,000 bond:

A 16-month old child died in my city last week and LE charged the mother's boyfriend with murder. Although the mother was at work when the alleged murder occurred, yesterday she wascharged with felony child neglect, since the child had old injuries that she had obviously not reported. Today - her bond was set at $4,000 on the felony child neglect charges.

What a huge difference between states.

[chey]

Former Inmate Says Casey Told Him Caylee Is With Ex-Boyfriend

http://www.wftv.com/news/17037646/detail.html

[liltigress]

I love how Fox News is taking credit for "uncovering" the Fusian photos of Casey when the sleuthers here found those last week. :rolleyes:

You caught that too huh? They think they've hit the jackpot! lol

[ebrich]

wow, in that interview he says that the other inmates were yelling at casey that she killed her baby and she was just smiling the whole time.

[mom_of_five]

I would probably not be alone in telling you that when I first came on WS's I thought something similar.
Most of the people that come here to discuss cases are very analytical.
I have learned here many lessons, and one of them is that people aren't being confrontational at all. It's the way we handle information. We like facts so that we can analyze them.
I don't consider you one that sits back. If you did we wouldn't have been wondering what you were trying to say.
Having said that I am not sure I buy your theory. It's not about you personally, it's just that frankly I don't know what the heck is going on in this crazy case. It's all frustrating and it's hard to come to anyone conclusion.

Fair enough. :)

[ShinaLite]

hello everyone!
playing catch up this afternoon but did want to speak to the fox report of the pics of Casey w/gang signs....
I think it's a little far fetched...

I do know in some of the pics i saw it looks like shes "throwing up horns"
very common in Florida if you are a USF bulls fan and very similiar to the sign for University of Texas "hook em horns" as the first daughter is doing in this pic

jmo :)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/shamyspace/bush_satan_3.jpg

[afield]

I just can't see her doing this as long as Caylee was alive. Why take her out of a carseat to put her in the trunk? What if someone saw her?


If this pontiac didn't have dark tint someone would see Caylee in her carseat. But... you wouldn't be able to see her in the trunk. Safe and sound, fast asleep.

Not something a normal parent would do. But it has been done before and we aren't dealing with normal.

[Hailiejade77]

ok,.. ok,.. You guys all have valid points,... I am trying to reach a limb that is most likely not there. I just don't want to believe this little girl is dead. I won't believe it until the forensics are back. I am hoping Casey didn't do anything to her child,...

And for everyone that feels like we are arguing with each other,... here is the reminder WHY we are here:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/lillygracesmom/Webslueths/8e050de4.jpg



This case has very many twists and turns and we all LOVE this little girl! We are all trying to figure out the "TRUTH" since obviously the main "player" isn't talking!

I know everyone here has Caylee's interest at heart,.. and with that I will step off the soapbox!:blowkiss:

[DianeB]

You caught that too huh? They think they've hit the jackpot! lolYeah, Greta's-producer-Steph. What is up with that?

[miss lisa]

Whew...sorry it had to be in code somewhat....

Must have went WAY over my head....

[imnotheonlyone]

someone needs to cut their internet access so they can't see the visitors log anymore... Interesting..

exactly! :)

[ebrich]

hello everyone!
playing catch up this afternoon but did want to speak to the fox report of the pics of Casey w/gang signs....
I think it's a little far fetched...

I do know in some of the pics i saw it looks like shes "throwing up horns"
very common in Florida if you are a USF bulls fan and very similiar to the sign for University of Texas "hook em horns" as the first daughter is doing in this pic

jmo :)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/shamyspace/bush_satan_3.jpg

I think they were referring to the east side signs. one looks like the shocker (pointer, ring and pinky) and the other the middle, ring and pinky to make and "e"

[tiredblondy]

I think we have wondered what went down with Cindy and Casey the last time they argued. It must have been something big and I wonder if possibly Casey didn't take Caylee out of the house at that time and tell her mother that she (Casey) would make sure that Cindy would never see Caylee again. I'm sure the grandmother never thought Casey would really do anything about it but is scared to death now. No matter how bad your child's behavior is you never want to think the worse. You always want to think they're not capable of the worst. Reality is so hard to face, especially about your loved ones.

[curiositycat]

I love how Fox News is taking credit for "uncovering" the Fusian photos of Casey when the sleuthers here found those last week. :rolleyes:
Me too! I am glad I am not the only one who feels this way. If they were really sharp they would have been on this last week.
I wonder if they have one of their producers on here as we speak.

[LI_Mom]

Whoever the father is...I don't think he (or his family) were ever told he was the father. They probably have no idea. (Unless they read websleuths...and are now starting to wonder:eek:)

And if the father or his family ARE starting to wonder if Caylee is a relative, I doubt they'd come forward NOW.


That would take a whole new kind of crazy to want to get involved with Casey at this point... especially on a hunch.

The only way they'd come forward is IF Caylee happens to be found alive one day.

[liltigress]

Yeah, Greta's-producer-Steph. What is up with that?

Maybe he's having a hard time staying caught up with our threads. :woohoo:

[LI_Mom]

Me too! I am glad I am not the only one who feels this way. If they were really sharp they would have been on this last week.
I wonder if they have one of their producers on here as we speak.

You expect more from Faux? lol

[lostnfound85]

The more I think about it, the more I think Casey left her child with a real person (but not Zanny The Nanny, by any means) so she could go and hang with her new BF at his place after she stormed out of her parents' house. I think something happened to Caylee while she was with this person(s), and by the time Casey went to pick her up she was dead.

But it's just a guess.

So Casey decided to cover for this person instead of report it? Seems she's going to take the heat instead of this person.

[*~Aimee~*]

When Casey's pysch evals are done - Are these public records too? I know HIPPA laws prevent medical stuff from being told but in a case like this I was not sure. Does anyone know? I am curious to find out what the pysch evals said.....

[afield]

I wonder if they have one of their producers on here as we speak.


Let's all give a great big welcome to all the producers on here trying to get their next headline.:crazy:

[mom_of_five]

ok,.. ok,.. You guys all have valid points,... I am trying to reach a limb that is most likely not there. I just don't want to believe this little girl is dead. I won't believe it until the forensics are back. I am hoping Casey didn't do anything to her child,...

And for everyone that feels like we are arguing with each other,... here is the reminder WHY we are here:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/lillygracesmom/Webslueths/8e050de4.jpg



This case has very many twists and turns and we all LOVE this little girl! We are all trying to figure out the "TRUTH" since obviously the main "player" isn't talking!

I know everyone here has Caylee's interest at heart,.. and with that I will step off the soapbox!:blowkiss:

:clap:

[SWAG1959]

When Casey's pysch evals are done - Are these public records too? I know HIPPA laws prevent medical stuff from being told but in a case like this I was not sure. Does anyone know? I am curious to find out what the pysch evals said.....
I don't think that would ever be released.

[Blink34]

It appears that Jesse Ortiz is not Caylee's father.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7096243&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

(snip)
Tom: "Carlos, we are letting our viewers send us questions and there is one that just keeps coming up over and over again. I was wondering if I could put it to you. This one comes specifically from one of our viewers in Orange County, who asks, 'Where is Caley Anthony's father and have police talked to them?' Him or his family. What do you know about that? What can you tell us?"

Padilla: "The only thing we know is what was told to us by the family, that the father died, I guess, about a year ago, somewhere in the Carolinas in a car accident. So, no. We've obviously not spoken to the father or his family."


Goin on a limb here that Padilla got his state wrong in that comment..
Just My HUmble Opinion, but I am sticking to Jesus Ortiz as the Caylee's bio dad on this one.. Thanks for the link Suz

[SWAG1959]

I just noticed on that picture - you can see that birthmark that Cindy talked about on her left upper arm.

[Blink34]

Let's all give a great big welcome to all the producers on here trying to get their next headline.:crazy:

LOL- if that were true they would have had tons of this DAYS ago-

Kidding, have you noticed the press accounts getting more invasive on the facts- they are actually INVESTIGATING.. Yeah.

[Hailiejade77]

Speaking of the visitors and no shows and all. I heard either last night or this morning (and I believe it was from the PR police guy Padilla) that Casey has had 11 visitors (or visitations) he named mom and dad and lee and then he said there was a private investigator that was hired by the family. Did anyone else catch that?

And did anyone ever find out who this William Waters was that was a no show last night?

I was under the impression that Casey only had THREE 45 mins visitations a week??? I saw it on one of the news websites.

[SuziQ]

has anyone posted the interview of the inmate?
http://www.wftv.com/video/17039691/index.html

Thanks for posting this. He seems genuinely upset over what he claims Casey said and how she smiled. Did you catch that other inmates were there and they were all yelling at her, You killed your baby, etc? Sounds like inmates aren't giving Casey a break either.

[curiositycat]

When Casey's pysch evals are done - Are these public records too? I know HIPPA laws prevent medical stuff from being told but in a case like this I was not sure. Does anyone know? I am curious to find out what the pysch evals said.....
Those records will be confidential.

[liltigress]

Bail reduction denied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just announced on Fox

[DianeB]

So Casey decided to cover for this person instead of report it? Seems she's going to take the heat instead of this person.No, I think she's covering for herself.

The rest of my theory is that Casey lied to LE about working at Uni because her real "work" is illegal. She lied about leaving her baby with what last night I called a "drug buddy" because she doesn't want to accept responsibility for her daughter's death due to her own negligence in leaving Caylee with that person in the first place.

I keep trying to poke holes in my own theory, and so far the biggest hurdle I can think of is the one-week delay between the time Casey took off with Caylee and the time that Jesse "heard" her on the phone - there is no evidence that anyone saw her during that week. As someone else pointed out, Jesse may be mistaken. That would mean that Caylee may have died on or about June 16th.

[whiteangora]

Lower Bond was denied

[SWAG1959]

Decision on bail - Casey WILL REMAIN IN JAIL!!!!!

Just on FOX

[kathyn2]

Bond denied. Yipeeeeeeeee

[Faenorwyn]

Bail reduction denied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just announced on Fox

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[Leila]

The bond appeal has been denied!

[Patty G]

Judge REFUSES to lower bond

[DianeB]

Fox is reporting that appellate court just ruled against bond reduction.

[whiteangora]

So Casey decided to cover for this person instead of report it? Seems she's going to take the heat instead of this person.

What a girl, huh:rolleyes:

[Patty G]

did we already cover that the attorney general said no?

The attorney General can't do that only the judges. The decision just came down now by the judges.

[DianeB]

What, are we ALL watching Fox?

[liltigress]

And he said something about it looking like a homicide investigation??? Did anyone else hear that?

[liljim]

psych. eval. can become public at a trial. but it wont be released before then, no.

[LI_Mom]

LOL- if that were true they would have had tons of this DAYS ago-

Kidding, have you noticed the press accounts getting more invasive on the facts- they are actually INVESTIGATING.. Yeah.

You mean Cindy scared them & they're afraid they'll be blamed for Caylee's death? :rolleyes:

[imnotheonlyone]

imnottheonlyone-

Did Patrick say why he was there to visit Casey? Did he mention this Mike guy?

I will only say that I too believed as many of you did/do, that Patrick was visiting Casey for reasons other than he stated. I now know that that was not the case. Patrick truly does want to lend a shoulder to Casey and her family.

[Patty G]

And he said something about it looking like a homicide investigation??? Did anyone else hear that?
YUP, I did. It's turning into a homicide investigation

[liljim]

And he said something about it looking like a homicide investigation??? Did anyone else hear that?

the state claimed that in the first bond hearing.

[liltigress]

the state claimed that in the first bond hearing.

I know, I'm just intrigued that they are sticking to it.

[afield]

You mean Cindy scared them & they're afraid they'll be blamed for Caylee's death? :rolleyes:

too funny

[Blink34]

Former Inmate Says Casey Told Him Caylee Is With Ex-Boyfriend

http://www.wftv.com/news/17037646/detail.html

WATCH THIS- think about it... Could again be prophetic, Great Job Chey-

"She said her ex-boyfriend has the baby".. DOes that mean that she is admitting Caylee is with her former BF Jesus Ortiz, possibly Caylee bio-dad? Meaning they are together in Heaven I presume, setting up the cookoo plea?

[SWAG1959]

Now maybe we will get a media update from LE - MAYBE

Doesn't anyone else find their silence deafening? C'mon - usually in these high profile cases there are at least daily or every other day updates?

But not this - all we get is silence.

[Patty G]

I am happier then a "pig in poo" over this decision!


Oh, salmonella is due to irrigation water at the farm re: peppers.

[liltigress]

WATCH THIS- think about it... Could again be prophetic, Great Job Chey-

"She said her ex-boyfriend has the baby".. DOes that mean that she is admitting Caylee is with her former BF Jesus Ortiz, possibly Caylee bio-dad? Meaning they are together in Heaven I presume, setting up the cookoo plea?

I got the willies with the thought on this earlier.. I wondered where he was buried. But I also remember there was another classmate that died in the last couple of years also.

[Medea]

No, I think she's covering for herself.

The rest of my theory is that Casey lied to LE about working at Uni because her real "work" is illegal. She lied about leaving her baby with what last night I called a "drug buddy" because she doesn't want to accept responsibility for her daughter's death due to her own negligence in leaving Caylee with that person in the first place.

I keep trying to poke holes in my own theory, and so far the biggest hurdle I can think of is the one-week delay between the time Casey took off with Caylee and the time that Jesse "heard" her on the phone - there is no evidence that anyone saw her during that week. As someone else pointed out, Jesse may be mistaken. That would mean that Caylee may have died on or about June 16th.

It may be bad parenting to leave your child with a 'drug buddy' but its not illegal and is certainly preferable to being suspected of murder yourself. If she had left her child w/this person why not say so? The house could be searched, DNA might be found to substantiate her story. Why make yourself the main suspect in your child's disappearance if you know who actually killed her?

I understand that people want to believe this little girl is alive, but I don' t see it. The mere fact of her never reporting her daughter missing for a month and the grandmother ending up doing it for her....plus all the lies about the babysitter, the ex boyfriend, just about everything she has said.

To me, if there was any explanation that did not involve Casey being culpable, she would have broken down and told someone by now.

[Hailiejade77]

What, are we ALL watching Fox?

LMAO!!!!!:Banane44::woohoo:

[LI_Mom]

No, I think she's covering for herself.

The rest of my theory is that Casey lied to LE about working at Uni because her real "work" is illegal. She lied about leaving her baby with what last night I called a "drug buddy" because she doesn't want to accept responsibility for her daughter's death due to her own negligence in leaving Caylee with that person in the first place.

I keep trying to poke holes in my own theory, and so far the biggest hurdle I can think of is the one-week delay between the time Casey took off with Caylee and the time that Jesse "heard" her on the phone - there is no evidence that anyone saw her during that week. As someone else pointed out, Jesse may be mistaken. That would mean that Caylee may have died on or about June 16th.

Maybe we shouldn't assume that Casey even KNOWS which day Caylee died.

She could have woken up drunk one morning & Caylee's dead in the car...

she has no clue who she was with the night before & whether someone else even knows.

Maybe THAT'S why she was hanging out at the bars.... waiting to see if anyone mentioned Caylee's death?

[olive]

Now maybe we will get a media update from LE - MAYBE

Doesn't anyone else find their silence deafening? C'mon - usually in these high profile cases there are at least daily or every other day updates?

But not this - all we get is silence.

Definitely unusual!! I thought another link was posted here, though, that had an interview with an officer involved with the case who stated they have no reason right now to think it is a homicide and that they are continuing to look for Caylee.

[mom_of_five]

YUP, I did. It's turning into a homicide investigation

Ugh. I don't wanna hear that.

[curiositycat]

Now maybe we will get a media update from LE - MAYBE

Doesn't anyone else find their silence deafening? C'mon - usually in these high profile cases there are at least daily or every other day updates?

But not this - all we get is silence.
I do find it irritating but I have noticed that all these high profile cases are taking a lot of time these days.
The case of this guy arrested in the murder of Meghan Touma has been a person of interest for a MONTH now.

[DianeB]

Maybe we shouldn't assume that Casey even KNOWS which day Caylee died.

She could have woken up drunk one morning & Caylee's dead in the car...

she has no clue who she was with the night before & whether someone else even knows.

Maybe THAT'S why she was hanging out at the bars.... waiting to see if anyone mentioned Caylee's death?Also possible (although I don't think that's why she was hanging out at bars).

[ketel0ne]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Fifth District Court of Appeals denied Wednesday the request to have Casey Anthony's bond lowered made by her attorney, Jose Baez.

Anthony was arrested on July 15 after reporting her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, missing. She is being held on charges of child neglect.

Orange County Judge Stan Strickland set her bond at $500,000 on July 22 and Baez was hoping to have that amount lowered to $10,000

http://www.wesh.com/news/17039556/detail.html

[SuziQ]

Definitely unusual!! I thought another link was posted here, though, that had an interview with an officer involved with the case who stated they have no reason right now to think it is a homicide and that they are continuing to look for Caylee.

I don't have a link, but the quote was different than that and could be taken different ways. IMO, It was one of those quotes that ultimately meant nothing.

[Ladybass0711]

Daily recap done View it here, (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2432858#post2432858) Please pm me if you think anything else needs to be added, so we don't have multiple posts, I will add it when I can

[olive]

I don't have a link, but the quote was different than that and could be taken different ways. IMO, It was one of those quotes that ultimately meant nothing.

Gotcha. All I want to hear is that they have no evidence of Caylee in that trunk!! Wishful thinking, I know, but I can't help it.

[ShinaLite]

I will only say that I too believed as many of you did/do, that Patrick was visiting Casey for reasons other than he stated. I now know that that was not the case. Patrick truly does want to lend a shoulder to Casey and her family.

I also think his motives where not as shady as could have appeared to be...

It doesnt surprise me the Anthony family contacted him and told him not to visit her anymore...I do think they have contacted quite a few people in this case telling them what they should and shouldnt do..

another example here:

We were able to track down a Jeffrey Hopkins Senior who also has a son named Jeffrey Hopkins.

According to the elder Hopkins, they know the Anthony family and were asked by the family not to talk.
But he said off camera, that his son worked for Universal Studios in high school. And he insisted that Anthony and his son never dated and has never met Caylee

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7092429&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[LI_Mom]

Also possible (although I don't think that's why she was hanging out at bars).

I don't either but it's an outside possibility.

As long as nobody's gossiping about some dead kid.... Casey can still pretend her life is just fine.

[whiteangora]

Thanks for posting this. He seems genuinely upset over what he claims Casey said and how she smiled. Did you catch that other inmates were there and they were all yelling at her, You killed your baby, etc? Sounds like inmates aren't giving Casey a break either.

Even tho he's a criminal, he seems to be a nice person. I just loved his little laugh about the pizza smell towards the end of the vid.

[curiositycat]

How can a woman even get dressed and go out if her child is dead/missing??? Doing her own investigation??? bull****.
Can anyone here see themselves re-acting like that??
I could see her acting like that if she sold her kid. I can think that she may have so many issues with her love/hate relationship with Cindy that she actually felt she did the right thing by Caylee to sell her.

[kathyn2]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17039556/detail.html#

Interesting video of the anthony family visiting casey in jail today (no video of their visit tho)

[RoseRed]

I also think his motives where not as shady as could have appeared to be...

It doesnt surprise me the Anthony family contacted him and told him not to visit her anymore...I do think they have contacted quite a few people in this case telling them what they should and shouldnt do..

another example here:



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7092429&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

But there are photo's of Casey with Jeff Hopkins on the photobucket page.

[curiositycat]

Daily recap done View it here, (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2432858#post2432858) Please pm me if you think anything else needs to be added, so we don't have multiple posts, I will add it when I can
Thank you so much for this. I know we all appreciate you taking the time to do this.:clap::clap::clap:

[Hailiejade77]

Daily recap done View it here, (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2432858#post2432858) Please pm me if you think anything else needs to be added, so we don't have multiple posts, I will add it when I can

GREAT job Lady!!!!:blowkiss: Thanks so much for doing this everyday.

[drip~drop]

nonono, I didn't mean it like that, honestly!! I'm not offended in anyway! I'm nuts, I know I'm nuts- It's nothing new I came to terms with it years ago.

I'm not saying this chick isn't sick, she most likely is, she reminds me of the "old" me in many ways (my child is alive though and has actually made it to teenage years without me killing him LOL).

I just see the same discussions, the same questions and links to pages that tell about different mental illness that Casey (and Cindy) may have several times a day. The threads are so long that other are not seeing that these things have already been discussed so we take up more time and space going into it yet again.

It just seems it would be more productive it we put all that information in one thread so people could see we have already discussed it. It would also enable others to discuss mental health issues they find informative while keeping this thread on an even keel rather than back tracking all the time.

I'm not trying to tell anyone to do anything I just see it as a much more productive way to discuss the mental illness issues we ALL see in this family.


You sound so much like me. I've been this way for many many years. It's just something I've learned to live with and know what to do if things get bad. It's nothing that's cureable and not my fault, your fault or anybodys fault.
It just is.....

imo, what we are seeing here tho is a set-up, I don't believe Casey is ill so much as I think she's a spoiled brat set on getting her way no matter what it take to get it. The way she is, imo, is a learned way of life. It's what she's known growing up.
Even her firends say she's a habitual liar. Lying doesn't mean one is ill, just an a$$.

I do agree with you that a seperate thread for possible mental health issues
would be good so as not to clog up these threads.

ok, I'll shut up now.:silenced::o

[MysteryAddict]

No - not really - the last person KNOWN to have seen her is Cindy - we have never heard when Cindy turned Caylee back over to Casey - the last documented picture of Caylee was at the nursing home.


Good Point!

Although we hear talk of a "mini vacation" --where are the pictures of Casey and Caylee
vacationing together? Strange isn't it?

No Caylee pictures for all of those 31 days??

You are absolutely right that-- the last "documented" picture of Caylee was taken
by Cindy on Father's day at the nursing home!!

[Blink34]

I also think his motives where not as shady as could have appeared to be...

It doesnt surprise me the Anthony family contacted him and told him not to visit her anymore...I do think they have contacted quite a few people in this case telling them what they should and shouldnt do..

another example here:



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7092429&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Sorry if this wins me the captain Obvious award for today- but does everyone realize that these people are running around asking people not to talk that WERE NAMED BY THEIR KID IN A POLICE INTERVIEW..

Its not like everybody here or ever went thumbing through Juvie records or the HS yearbook, closed our eyes and picked somebody..
Put the blame where it belongs... I for one have told my kids they may never play with a person named Casy ever..

Kidding, you get my point

[Leila]

If you look at the picture of Caylee in the white sundress closely, and zoom in on Caylee's left arm, there's what appears to be a bruise. I remember Cindy saying Caylee had a birthmark on one of her arms, but this doesn't look like a birthmark...........it looks more like bruising, and there's also a scratch on her arm.

Does it look like a birthmark or a bruise?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/mrspeavey/bruise2.jpg

[InsomniacWoman]

I love how Fox News is taking credit for "uncovering" the Fusian photos of Casey when the sleuthers here found those last week. :rolleyes:

I was saying the same thing to my husband today, LOL :)

[RR0004]

WATCH THIS- think about it... Could again be prophetic, Great Job Chey-

"She said her ex-boyfriend has the baby".. DOes that mean that she is admitting Caylee is with her former BF Jesus Ortiz, possibly Caylee bio-dad? Meaning they are together in Heaven I presume, setting up the cookoo plea?
I was thinking something otherwise...what if Casey feels betrayed by Jesse for coming forward and in her own sick, demented mind, she's assigning "blame"?

[LI_Mom]

I'm confused....

last week, the Anthony's said they were ready to bail Casey out the next day.... on Friday.

They never did.


Did they suddenly find out they don't have the money to bail her out & now they were hoping for a lower bond?????

[SWAG1959]

Going along with Cindy being that last person we know - IMO if Cindy did the deed and maybe Casey witnessed it or was part of it (accidents happen very strangely) then the plan would have been for Casey and Caylee to stay a "mini vaca". When Casey finally surfaces along with the car - Cindy is PO'd - hence that statement "I've already given you 31 days (or a month)"

Just a thought

[olive]

If you look at the picture of Caylee in the white sundress closely, and zoom in on Caylee's left arm, there's what appears to be a bruise. I remember Cindy saying Caylee had a birthmark on one of her arms, but this doesn't look like a birthmark...........it looks more like bruising, and there's also a scratch on her arm.

Does it look like a birthmark or a bruise?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/mrspeavey/bruise2.jpg

Looks like a birthmark to me. But you are observant!!

[RR0004]

If you look at the picture of Caylee in the white sundress closely, and zoom in on Caylee's left arm, there's what appears to be a bruise. I remember Cindy saying Caylee had a birthmark on one of her arms, but this doesn't look like a birthmark...........it looks more like bruising, and there's also a scratch on her arm.

Does it look like a birthmark or a bruise?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/mrspeavey/bruise2.jpg
IMO...too hard to tell.

[miss lisa]

TES needs to be called in ASAP! This child needs to be FOUND!

[whiteangora]

I don't have a link, but the quote was different than that and could be taken different ways. IMO, It was one of those quotes that ultimately meant nothing.

The quote was, "We have no reason to believe Caylee is not alive.."
I remember.

[RR0004]

I'm confused....

last week, the Anthony's said they were ready to bail Casey out the next day.... on Friday.

They never did.


Did they suddenly find out they don't have the money to bail her out & now they were hoping for a lower bond?????
It made sense IMO to wait till today to do anything.

[RR0004]

Going along with Cindy being that last person we know - IMO if Cindy did the deed and maybe Casey witnessed it or was part of it (accidents happen very strangely) then the plan would have been for Casey and Caylee to stay a "mini vaca". When Casey finally surfaces along with the car - Cindy is PO'd - hence that statement "I've already given you 31 days (or a month)"

Just a thought
Whoa...don't even know if I can go there...

[curiositycat]

Reality check. If Cindy and George know where Caylee is and IF they believe Casey why are they not in their car and on a plane with the FBI to bring her home???

[imnotheonlyone]

I also think his motives where not as shady as could have appeared to be...

It doesnt surprise me the Anthony family contacted him and told him not to visit her anymore...I do think they have contacted quite a few people in this case telling them what they should and shouldnt do..

another example here:



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7092429&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Yes, Jeff Hopkins told me that Lee Anthony has asked him not to speak with the media. He said that when he divulged that he had only seen Casey once in the past year, he was told that she (Casey) was referring to a different Jeff Hopkins, not him :mad:

[Beagle1]

Sorry if this wins me the captain Obvious award for today- but does everyone realize that these people are running around asking people not to talk that WERE NAMED BY THEIR KID IN A POLICE INTERVIEW..

Its not like everybody here or ever went thumbing through Juvie records or the HS yearbook, closed our eyes and picked somebody..
Put the blame where it belongs... I for one have told my kids they may never play with a person named Casy ever..

Kidding, you get my point


It would seem that Cindy is still trying to protect Casey.
Casey could more easily refuse to see Patrick when he returned. Instead, Cindy looks him up and contacts him not to return.