Casey and Ricardo

[christine2448]

I rec'd this via email....

Ricardo Morales is Caylee’s father (the resemblance is uncanny). He lives across the street from the apartment building Casey says the nanny resided (and where a Zenaida Gonazalez did, in fact, look at an apartment).


OK y'all.....help me out with this.

Why is Morales an EX cop? Did you all know this?

Which police department did he work for?

Which house was Casey referring to when she said a bunch of ‘drama’ had taken place and she was no longer living there? If it was Ricardo’s house, that would explain the drama (perhaps he found out Caylee was his)?

[christine2448]

I hadn't heard this brought up, the possibility of him being dad...or I missed it.

I'd like to get some pics of him.

[christine2448]

Am I stupid or something? No one has commented about this? Have a missed something?

[QuickAttack]

First photo is Ricardo (right) and JP (left).

http://a159.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/7/l_567a117b4129e166519e821290035fe6.jpg

Next few photos are of JP (mentioned in one of the 911 tapes, I believe. Casey said she had been staying at "Amy and JP's.):
http://a420.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_decc0bbeeaaa84c8fa6f0d90e3592753.jpg

http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/79/67/613977697_l.jpg

http://b3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/30/81/613971803_l.jpg

http://a523.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_9902f2c7188fc5dc9d75dc63604f625a.jpg

I think the baby looks more like JP than anyone so far (Jesse, Jesus, Ricardo).

[Busylady]

This is the first I have heard about im being the father also.

I hadn't heard this brought up, the possibility of him being dad...or I missed it.

I'd like to get some pics of him.

[Patty G]

Who is handy enough to do a split pic with Caylee, Jesus, Ricardo and JP? All on one screen for comparison.

[mom_of_five]

First photo is Ricardo (right) and JP (left).

http://a159.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/7/l_567a117b4129e166519e821290035fe6.jpg

Next few photos are of JP (mentioned in one of the 911 tapes, I believe. Casey said she had been staying at "Amy and JP's.):
http://a420.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_decc0bbeeaaa84c8fa6f0d90e3592753.jpg

http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/79/67/613977697_l.jpg

http://b3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/30/81/613971803_l.jpg

http://a523.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_9902f2c7188fc5dc9d75dc63604f625a.jpg

I think the baby looks more like JP than anyone so far (Jesse, Jesus, Ricardo).

Great pictures. I can see the JP/Caylee suspicion...would be very helpful to know when Casey first met all these different men...

[mom_of_five]

Who is handy enough to do a split pic with Caylee, Jesus, Ricardo and JP? All on one screen for comparison.

Great idea!!!

[Hailiejade77]

I have heard this theory about Ricardo being Caylee's dad and that the name "Morales" has been connected to a Zenaida Gonzalez. Of course it was all speculation and nothing concrete. In this picture of Ricardo, I don't see it. Maybe if we had another picture of him though.
I totally agree that the picture of JP looks a little like Caylee. The lips and the mouth definitely. But then again I swore that my friends kid looked like who she thought the dad was and it ended up not being his kid :(
Compare the JP pics with this one of Caylee:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/lillygracesmom/Webslueths/1b2b26f2.jpg




http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/lillygracesmom/Webslueths/7a54b863.jpg


JMO

[Hailiejade77]

going back and looking at it again,.. I think she has JPs mouth, lips, cheeks, shape of the ears and a little bit of his eyes. I could be way off. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. Does anyone else see it??????

I opened two tabs and made one really smaller with Caylee's pic in it to compare to the ones of JP.

[Muzikman]

I rec'd this via email....

Quote:
Ricardo Morales is Caylee’s father (the resemblance is uncanny). He lives across the street from the apartment building Casey says the nanny resided (and where a Zenaida Gonazalez did, in fact, look at an apartment).


This is slightly incorrect. He does live across the street (at 232 Glenwood) from one of the places Casey took the cops, but it was at Sawgrass Apt's that Zenaida applied.
Small detail, but I see the Talking Heads getting small details incorrect so frequently, and it kind of bothers me.



:
Which house was Casey referring to when she said a bunch of ‘drama’ had taken place and she was no longer living there? If it was Ricardo’s house, that would explain the drama (perhaps he found out Caylee was his)?

This is from a Myspace comment.
I got the impression that the drama was at the Anthony house. "Haven't lived there in 9 days..."

[christine2448]

Thank you muzikman!

[QuickAttack]

I have heard this theory about Ricardo being Caylee's dad and that the name "Morales" has been connected to a Zenaida Gonzalez. Of course it was all speculation and nothing concrete. In this picture of Ricardo, I don't see it. Maybe if we had another picture of him though.
I totally agree that the picture of JP looks a little like Caylee. The lips and the mouth definitely. But then again I swore that my friends kid looked like who she thought the dad was and it ended up not being his kid :(
Compare the JP pics with this one of Caylee:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/lillygracesmom/Webslueths/1b2b26f2.jpg





That looks like JP sitting on the couch in the background in that photo of Caylee.

[Hailiejade77]

someone last night made it so you could CLEARLY see who it was,.. dang it! Now I am going to have to go back and look!

Here it is http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2434094#post2434094

[QuickAttack]

someone last night made it so you could CLEARLY see who it was,.. dang it! Now I am going to have to go back and look!

Here it is http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2434094#post2434094

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/JerseyJeanne/n24702745_32135365_2353.jpg

That has to be JP. Compare it to the photo above of him with the beard.

Uncanny.

[krimekat]

The eyes are the same -- JP & Caylee

[browneyedgirl]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/JerseyJeanne/n24702745_32135365_2353.jpg

That has to be JP. Compare it to the photo above of him with the beard.

Uncanny.

Thats what I thought as well, QA. IT has to be JP with the beard....no ????

[QuickAttack]

Thats what I thought as well, QA. IT has to be JP with the beard....no ????

Yeah. I'm almost certain that it's him.

[mom_of_five]

This is slightly incorrect. He does live across the street (at 232 Glenwood) from one of the places Casey took the cops, but it was at Sawgrass Apt's that Zenaida applied.
Small detail, but I see the Talking Heads getting small details incorrect so frequently, and it kind of bothers me.





This is from a Myspace comment.
I got the impression that the drama was at the Anthony house. "Haven't lived there in 9 days..."

Thanks!

[mom_of_five]

Thats what I thought as well, QA. IT has to be JP with the beard....no ????

Wasn't tihs picture actually posted by Ricardo? Maybe he's taking the pic?

[mom_of_five]

So what do we know about JP?

[christine2448]

Who is JP I thought it was R something, LOL!


My question.....did I read SOMEWHERE that there was a Zanieda or Zanny or someone connect to Ricardo??? I think I read it on topix?

Dang..at work , gotta go.

I think Ricardo found out Caylee was his, Casey was all to willing to let him have her, to get back at her mom and lose the responsibility....they took her to PR to be w/his family???? Just a theory. Didn't he or someone he knew go to PR just about when Caylee when missing?


ETA...ok, it was Jesse Ortiz (?) and his grandma, someone found this on the net...not Ricardo being mentioned, sorry..prolly not related at all to this case.

Reader comment on:
Courts Gets Case Of Grandparental Visitation Rights
in response to reader comment: Victim of New York Grandparent Visitation Law DRL 72
Link http://www.nysun.com/comments/22794 (http://www.nysun.com/comments/22794)
Here is a comment posted Submitted by zenaida ortiz, May 7, 2007 16:18
I respect the wishes of those parents who don't wish their children to have any contact with their grandparents. In some cases it is good. But for others like me, who only wants to see her grandchild but is constantly impeded by the other grandparent who has custody--it is not fair. And laws are to protect all grandparents. We cannot pick and chose who will benefit from grandparents rights or not. My situation is unique. The mother of my grandchild is mentally incapacited and her mother (the other grandmother) is a Jehova Witness and for some reason does not particularly want me to see my grandchild on a regular basis. There have been issues relating to the safety of the child because of the parent's emotional state and she has been violent and is under a doctor's care. I had the occasion of speaking with Child Welfare Bureau agency staff and so has my son who currently resides in Florida. I want to be a part of this child's life. She does know me and tells me she loves me. This relationship should not be taken away. My religion is different and I do not hold it against them. I feel I should be in her life so I can keep track of her and see for myself that she is being provided for in a loving, healthy manner. My grandchild needs to know she is also loved by the family of her father even though he cannot physically live in the area.

[krimekat]

Fox News just moments ago - two girlfriends are visiting with Casey this weekend. Cannot wait to hear those tapes.

RM is not a close friend of Casey's & that Casey is "unreliable" via email to Fox
JH is not a close friend of Casey's, did not know that Caylee was missing, & did not introduce Casey to the Nanny via email to Fox

[TisHerself]

First photo is Ricardo (right) and JP (left).

http://a159.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/7/l_567a117b4129e166519e821290035fe6.jpg

Next few photos are of JP (mentioned in one of the 911 tapes, I believe. Casey said she had been staying at "Amy and JP's.):
http://a420.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_decc0bbeeaaa84c8fa6f0d90e3592753.jpg

http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/79/67/613977697_l.jpg

http://b3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/30/81/613971803_l.jpg

http://a523.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_9902f2c7188fc5dc9d75dc63604f625a.jpg

I think the baby looks more like JP than anyone so far (Jesse, Jesus, Ricardo).


I agree with you I think Caylee looks just like JP!

[QuickAttack]

So what do we know about JP?

Seems like I recall his name being John P. Chatt and that he at one time worked for Channel 9.

Here's his webpage: http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/JP/About_Me.html

[AlwaysShocked]

Could someone please list the actual names of folks represented by initials on this thread? There are now so many boyfriends that I have been unable to stay current on the names. Who is JP? Who are the others?

[mom_of_five]

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/

[TisHerself]

First photo is Ricardo (right) and JP (left).

http://a159.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/7/l_567a117b4129e166519e821290035fe6.jpg

Next few photos are of JP (mentioned in one of the 911 tapes, I believe. Casey said she had been staying at "Amy and JP's.):
http://a420.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_decc0bbeeaaa84c8fa6f0d90e3592753.jpg

http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/79/67/613977697_l.jpg

http://b3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00613/30/81/613971803_l.jpg

http://a523.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_9902f2c7188fc5dc9d75dc63604f625a.jpg

I think the baby looks more like JP than anyone so far (Jesse, Jesus, Ricardo).


I agree with you I think Caylee looks just like JP. Question just who is JP?:)

[TisHerself]

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/


This is just so sad, Caylee is so adorable and she looks like she was a happy baby. I want to know what her mother did with her:furious:

[mom_of_five]

Fox News just moments ago - two girlfriends are visiting with Casey this weekend. Cannot wait to hear those tapes.

RM is not a close friend of Casey's & that Casey is "unreliable" via email to Fox
JH is not a close friend of Casey's, did not know that Caylee was missing, & did not introduce Casey to the Nanny via email to Fox

RM has been stated several times as Casey's ex-boyfriend...:waitasec:

[krimekat]

Just reporting what was on Fox News (the most reliable news)

[mom_of_five]

I gotta admit that I think Caylee looks a LOT like JP. I didn't even know he existed before today...hmmmmm.

[coltsgal]

I wonder if jeff hopkins knows juliet lewis. werent they dating? sorry if i'm incorrect, there's so many people that i cant keep track anymore.

[krimekat]

Sometimes guys don't realize they are "boyfriends" . . . I do believe Casey may have misconstrude relationships

[ebrich]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2u554pz.jpg

are these the three people are wondering about?
I believe the top left is jesus, the right top is JP and left bottom is ricardo.
please correct me if I'm wrong

[QuickAttack]

JP's ADDRESS: 232 n glenwood ave orlando, fl

http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/JP/Blog/Blog.html

[QuickAttack]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2u554pz.jpg

are these the three people are wondering about?
I believe the top left is jesus, the right top is JP and left bottom is ricardo.
please correct me if I'm wrong


You are correct.

[CarrieSis]

JPChatt...

work(ed) at WFTV Channel 9

Title of section on page is "DEUX ET MACHINA"

[zelmajane]

Yes, she resembles JP, but as far as that goes, she looks just like pictures of myself as a child. Except she has brown eyes.

She's definitely not my child.


I hope and pray this will all come to a good resolution, but I fear it will not.

[liltigress]

http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/JP/About_Me.html

"I currently work at WFTV channel 9 in Orlando, the local ABC affiliate. I am an editor there and work usually on the weekends, editing for the 6, 10, and 11 O'clock news."


www.myspace.com/jpchatt

[krimekat]

jeff & juliette "worked" with Casey at Kodak in Universal

[Medea]

jeff & juliette "worked" with Casey at Kodak in Universal

In other words, they don't really exist?

[krimekat]

In other words, they don't really exist?

well, her job did not exist, so I assume her co-workers are part of her dilusion.

[CarolineJ]

Casey's former friend, Amy, lives with Ricardo and I guess the drama would be the stolen money from Amy's checking account.

I do not believe anyone thinks Ricardo is the father.

Also, no friends will be visiting now. It was just on the news that Casey does not want to see anyone except her 3 family members so the jail has cancelled those visits by friends that were on the schedule.

[QuickAttack]

Casey's former friend, Amy, lives with Ricardo and I guess the drama would be the stolen money from Amy's checking account.

I do not believe anyone thinks Ricardo is the father.

Also, no friends will be visiting now. It was just on the news that Casey does not want to see anyone except her 3 family members so the jail has cancelled those visits by friends that were on the schedule.

Hey, CJ...please keep us updated on what you're hearing on local news. Has there been anything about the helicopters on the local news?

[Muzikman]

According to WESH News, the helicopter was looking for an Alzheimer patient that has walked away from their house.

[christine2448]

Casey's former friend, Amy, lives with Ricardo and I guess the drama would be the stolen money from Amy's checking account.

I do not believe anyone thinks Ricardo is the father.

Also, no friends will be visiting now. It was just on the news that Casey does not want to see anyone except her 3 family members so the jail has cancelled those visits by friends that were on the schedule.

Hiya Caroline! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/welcome_group_purple_heart.gif


Can you give us a timeline for when Caylee and Ricardo dated? I'd like to figure this out.

[drip~drop]

Holly: "The Anthony family is over it
:confused::eek::confused:

[jep0216]

I'm so confused...who is JP? I totally agree given the split of Caylee with the 3 guys, that she looks like JP, but who is he and when did he come into the picture??

[QuickAttack]

I'm so confused...who is JP? I totally agree given the split of Caylee with the 3 guys, that she looks like JP, but who is he and when did he come into the picture??


Ricardo's roommate. Listed as one of her "close friends" in her myspace account.

A myspace message Amy left:

Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:46pm on June 24th, 2008
I'm still at Ricardo and JPs... hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late... any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?

(liltigress put together some of the myspace messages in this thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67863&page=5 )

[ebrich]

I kinda think she looks like jesus in this one(upper right) b/c of the facial expressionhttp://i35.tinypic.com/2ivjmli.jpg.
but on the other hand I also see jp's eyes (bottom right)

[truecrime]

On Larry King live this evening 7-31-08 Cindy made the comment that Caylee's father was never involved with her or the family.

[christine2448]

what we need is mom/potential dad/kaylee posted together.

There could be many attributes from each...so right now, by what is posted, I see a little of him here and there...

But can we see them ALL?

Casey, Caylee and all potential dads?? (that just breaks my heart...I can't imagine not know who the father of my child is.)

[mom_of_five]

I kinda think she looks like jesus in this one(upper right) b/c of the facial expressionhttp://i35.tinypic.com/2ivjmli.jpg.
but on the other hand I also see jp's eyes (bottom right)

There are much better pics of Ricardo in the first photobucket link...I can't do the split screen thing or I would..:doh:

[mom_of_five]

I kinda think she looks like jesus in this one(upper right) b/c of the facial expressionhttp://i35.tinypic.com/2ivjmli.jpg.
but on the other hand I also see jp's eyes (bottom right)

Caylee also has Ricardo's nose...IMO

[believe09]

Caylee also has Ricardo's nose...IMO
Agreed.

[jep0216]

Ricardo's roommate. Listed as one of her "close friends" in her myspace account.

A myspace message Amy left:

Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:46pm on June 24th, 2008
I'm still at Ricardo and JPs... hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late... any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?

(liltigress put together some of the myspace messages in this thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67863&page=5 )


Thanks! I was so confused!

[headndownstream]

That link from post #27 has over 200 pictures, and I wonder if that is Casey's photo bucket? I scanned quickly but there is a picture of Cindy and Caylee that says "my girls", one of Casey and her brother that says something about the best brother ever, a collage of stuff that says:

Hi, I don't care thanks. 'Evil genius at work.' 'homework kills'. 'I hate homework'. 'Life Hates Me'. 'We pretend to work-they pretend to pay us'. 'Work Harder-millions on welfare depend on it!' 'Do I look like a bitch?' (over her picture)
'You know I hate life'. 'I hate school. work smart not hard'. and 'hard work'.

And another interesting collage of pics of Casey with this:
Subtlety is my weakness.
Give me a minute to charm you, and you'll know what I mean.
Maybe I didn't mention, you won't regret my attention
I've got tricks you've never seen.

Worth looking over....They are all dated, I gotta go, but will look at the dates later. Tho we all know she was partying after Caylee disappeared.

[FLbeachdawg]

Hey, CJ...please keep us updated on what you're hearing on local news. Has there been anything about the helicopters on the local news?

nothing on local news about that...for those of us who live near the anthony's we can just see it when driving down the road is all... =)

[Cakegirl]

I kinda think she looks like jesus in this one(upper right) b/c of the facial expressionhttp://i35.tinypic.com/2ivjmli.jpg.
but on the other hand I also see jp's eyes (bottom right)

I think Caylee looks a lot like JP. I see his eye shape and color. And his eyebrows extend out past his eyes... so do Caylee's. They have a similiar arch too. I think they resemble a lot.

But then again, there could be 100 other possibles out there too... :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...I thought this thread was about Ric, not JP. (Let JP get his own!) Anyway, I believe this is an avenue worth exploring. If Casey and Ric dated before and possibly during the time he has been with Amy (which wouldn't be unheard of since they run in the same circle) maybe it put pressure on Casey to remain silent about the status of the father even more.

I would like to know about Ric's past myself. Was he a policeman? Who did he work for? Why is he no longer a policeman if he was? What relationship did he and Casey have during Nov and Dec 2004? (This would be approximately when she was conceived.)

If Ric was a "one night stand" as a poster on some website wants people to believe, would she ever tell anyone if he was dating someone else at the time? We do know when people party things can get out of control and accidental pregnancies happen. I would like to know how far their relationship goes back and if she was hanging out with him during that time. It might explain a lot. The animosity she has towards Amy (enough to steal her checks and money), her neglect to name the real father, and other things.

Ric is from PR. I believe that Amy said he is on her myspace or facebook and the reason they went to visit were his family ties there. Is it possible that Ric and Amy are in on taking Caylee? Could they have arranged to help get her out of the country before their "vacation" and maybe a possible reason for them to be in PR?! These are always possibilities.

Amy seems to know a lot more than she is saying publically. What else does she know?

[krimekat]

but I bet Amy talked to the police . . .

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, Amy did talk to the police. And look at only a few of the things Amy told them! All very negative against her so-called good friend and possible roomate. Why was she friends with Casey at all if she thought of her this way? Was it because she knew that Caylee was Ric's and she put up with Casey because of it?

[LaLaw2000]

JP's ADDRESS: 232 n glenwood ave orlando, fl

http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/JP/Blog/Blog.html

I would be willing to bet a BUNCH of cyberbucks that JP is Caylee's dad! I have looked at all of the pics from JP's site, and he/his family does appear to have some wealth.
It was stated by a person that was briefly on this board for one or two posts to 'follow the money'.

Also, as per PeopleFinder.com, J. P. Chatt had Orlando and Oviedo listed. Were Amy and Casey going to be roommates in the Oviedo house?

[yanknrebel]

Could the poster of this original posting for grandparents rights be Zanaida GONZALES?? Could the grandma noted as Zanaida Ortiz be the supposed grandmother (paternal side) of Caylee? Could she have changed her last name or remarried? If I am seeing this correctly, it was posted May 2007, so this could be about Caylee. Goodness knows Casey is mentally unstable. Possibly Casey is telling the truth. Perhaps she gave Caylee to the paternal grandmother as a way to gain her freedom and as a controlling mechanism to teach her mom "a lesson". Apparently Cindy was/is a MAJOR influence and person in Caylee's life. No, I cannot explain the cadaver dogs, but this is definitely a much more pleasant thought of where Caylee could be.

As for JP, I definitely think Caylee looks more like JP than Ricardo. I also seem to remember that Amy is living with and dating RICARDO, NOT JP. Apparently they were having problems, otherwise would Amy be moving out?

There was a picture posted a while back of a friend of Casey's at yet another party,a female that looked VERY MUCH like Caylee. I wish I could find it again. Anyway that girl looks very much like Caylee. So much so I am wondering if that female has a brother, if Casye knows him and if he could be Caylee's father?

Jesse has been proven NOT to be Caylee's father. I beleive I saw that way back int he postings as well.

yanknrebel


Reader comment on:
Courts Gets Case Of Grandparental Visitation Rights
in response to reader comment: Victim of New York Grandparent Visitation Law DRL 72
Link http://www.nysun.com/comments/22794
Here is a comment posted Submitted by zenaida ortiz, May 7, 2007 16:18
I respect the wishes of those parents who don't wish their children to have any contact with their grandparents. In some cases it is good. But for others like me, who only wants to see her grandchild but is constantly impeded by the other grandparent who has custody--it is not fair. And laws are to protect all grandparents. We cannot pick and chose who will benefit from grandparents rights or not. My situation is unique. The mother of my grandchild is mentally incapacited and her mother (the other grandmother) is a Jehova Witness and for some reason does not particularly want me to see my grandchild on a regular basis. There have been issues relating to the safety of the child because of the parent's emotional state and she has been violent and is under a doctor's care. I had the occasion of speaking with Child Welfare Bureau agency staff and so has my son who currently resides in Florida. I want to be a part of this child's life. She does know me and tells me she loves me. This relationship should not be taken away. My religion is different and I do not hold it against them. I feel I should be in her life so I can keep track of her and see for myself that she is being provided for in a loving, healthy manner. My grandchild needs to know she is also loved by the family of her father even though he cannot physically live in the area.
__________________

[yanknrebel]

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...s157/pictures/


Ok does anyone know who Lauren is and if she has a brother? LOL THIS is the female that I think looks like Caylee. I am wondering if she has a grown brother? If so could he be Caylee's father. She looks more like Caylee than Casey does. Am I just imagining things?

[curiousmind]

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...s157/pictures/



Ok does anyone know who Lauren is and if she has a brother? LOL THIS is the female that I think looks like Caylee. I am wondering if she has a grown brother? If so could he be Caylee's father. She looks more like Caylee than Casey does. Am I just imagining things?

I am getting that the pic is no longer available.

Did someone just hit a nail on the head????

[mom_of_five]

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...s157/pictures/


Ok does anyone know who Lauren is and if she has a brother? LOL THIS is the female that I think looks like Caylee. I am wondering if she has a grown brother? If so could he be Caylee's father. She looks more like Caylee than Casey does. Am I just imagining things?

Would LOVE to see this picture as it's no longer available at the link...

[mom_of_five]

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...s157/pictures/


Ok does anyone know who Lauren is and if she has a brother? LOL THIS is the female that I think looks like Caylee. I am wondering if she has a grown brother? If so could he be Caylee's father. She looks more like Caylee than Casey does. Am I just imagining things?

1852

wfbarista
Jul 28, 2008 at 10:06 pm -

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing ____ (Casey- mom)

Jul 19 2007 12:48 AM

justin!!!!
everything is going extremely well. just wondering when i’m going to see your lovely face how are things with you?

besides working, the only thing i really have going on, is planning caylee’s birthday party. i’m in shock that she’ll be 2 in less than a month! time flies!

i haven’t seen lauren in months, and i’m definitely hoping to stop that trend, immediately. we’ve both been pretty busy.

hope you and the boys are well. and ****… i miss you like crazy!

(myspace comment.. to Justin)

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/07/16/where-is-caylee-marie-anthony/comment-page-38/

Is Justin Lauren's brother?

[IntriguedMind]

Maybe there is more to this JP Chatt thing.. Very interesting angle IMO.

[SusieClue]

He doesn't live at 232 anymore and he was in California on vacation when the baby was born - with his Puerto Rican family members. That means nothing, of course, if he wanted nothing to do with the baby. I thought Cindy said the father has never had contact with the baby....but then again, it wouldn't be her first lie!

I can't be certain, but I thought I remember previous discussions that JP comes from a well to do family and that might explain his hesitancy in telling them about the baby...

[Amos]

I SOOOOO AGREE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,little Caylee looks just like JP

[feddup]

On Larry King live this evening 7-31-08 Cindy made the comment that Caylee's father was never involved with her or the family.

I tend to believe this as well publicized as this case is, a Father wouldve
come forward....none has.
Cindy said to Greta V that the Father had started another fam by the time Caylee was born (?) and that was mutually decided he wouldnt be involved...then said about a yr ago, he was killed in car crash. Who knows:confused: At this point, I think Cindy is naive and I wouldnt believe anything Casey said.

[Salem]

Bio dad discussion.

[BarbWire]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/wow.jpg

[tttterri]

My take on Ricardo. According to posts made earlier by Casey, he lived with JP at Glenwood as far back as April. According to posts by Amy, he lived there still as far as June 24. I am not sure of the ex-cop relationship as it is possible that him being referred to as the ex-bf along with Jesse G referred to as an ex-bf, that they may have been confused as to who the ex-cop was. Jesse is an ex-cop but we do not know if Ricardo is. Amy told the news she had only known Casey for 6 mths, but the photos in photobucket go farther back than that. (I wish someone could save Caseys photobucket pics to an online place where we can refer to them in case she deletes those albums, I do not have a photobucket account.) One pic of Caylee and Casey sitting on a blue couch was taken at Glenwood and it looks as recent as her video does, hair and size.
4-5 casey to amy at 10:15am " i missed seeing you twice in less than 12 hours! i left before you got here last night, and you left while i was asleep upstairs this morning" NOTE: CASEY IS SLEEPING UPSTAIRS, 2 bedrooms 3rd floor,guest br bottom floor.
(I got the apt layout from JP Chatts website)
4-7 casey to amy, at 12:51pm " hopefully you're not working too late tonight! maybe you could swing by the boys' place".

4-20 Casey to amy at 11:01am i'll try and get my ass in better shape, before tuesday night. as far as tonight is concerned, i'm not doing a damn thing. i can still barely sit up. this being sick thing has literally knocked me off kilter. i'll be seeing you as soon as i can, even if i have to bribe ricardo to go to houlihan's i miss ya love, and i definitely need some good company.that, and well, my mom's vege soup (thankfully, that's on the way!)
NOTE: SHE MENTIONED RICARDO, AND SHE MENTIONED SOMEONE IS BRINGING HER MOMS SOUP OVER.

4-30 casey to amy: at 1:36pm " i was home before 10:45 last night. i was exhausted too. 12 hour days are too long for my liking!this weekend, it's a date! caylee was asking about ya, so hopefully she'll get to see you soon too!!"NOTE: SHE MENTIONS 12 HR DAYS AS IF IN WORKING,

FOLLOWING SEEMS TO BE REFERENCE TO RICARDO BEING A FRIEND OF DAVE AND TROY BROWN. ON JPS WEBSITE HE MENTIONS A TROY, DAVE AND RICARDO ALL AS FRIENDS WHICH IS WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THIS COMMENT BELOW REFERS TO RICARDO.
6-19 Casey posts to Troy at 3:57pm: you, ric and dave should definitely come out tomorrow night. i'll give you a buzz later. i haven't see you in ages!

6-24 ,troy to amy at 2:33pm on June 24th, 2008 so where are you living now?
6-24 Amy to Troy 2:46pm, I'm still at Ricardo and JPs... hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late... any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?
6-24 troy to amy,at 3:40pm on June 24th, 2008 I'll talk with the g-parents and we will figure it out.

Note: I posted links to one of Amy's former Ovieda homes on the links section today.

[Sparky]

My take on Ricardo. According to posts made earlier by Casey, he lived with JP at Glenwood as far back as April. According to posts by Amy, he lived there still as far as June 24. I am not sure of the ex-cop relationship as it is possible that him being referred to as the ex-bf along with Jesse G referred to as an ex-bf, that they may have been confused as to who the ex-cop was. Jesse is an ex-cop but we do not know if Ricardo is. Amy told the news she had only known Casey for 6 mths, but the photos in photobucket go farther back than that. (I wish someone could save Caseys photobucket pics to an online place where we can refer to them in case she deletes those albums, I do not have a photobucket account.) One pic of Caylee and Casey sitting on a blue couch was taken at Glenwood and it looks as recent as her video does, hair and size.
4-5 casey to amy at 10:15am " i missed seeing you twice in less than 12 hours! i left before you got here last night, and you left while i was asleep upstairs this morning" NOTE: CASEY IS SLEEPING UPSTAIRS, 2 bedrooms 3rd floor,guest br bottom floor.
(I got the apt layout from JP Chatts website)
4-7 casey to amy, at 12:51pm " hopefully you're not working too late tonight! maybe you could swing by the boys' place".

4-20 Casey to amy at 11:01am i'll try and get my ass in better shape, before tuesday night. as far as tonight is concerned, i'm not doing a damn thing. i can still barely sit up. this being sick thing has literally knocked me off kilter. i'll be seeing you as soon as i can, even if i have to bribe ricardo to go to houlihan's i miss ya love, and i definitely need some good company.that, and well, my mom's vege soup (thankfully, that's on the way!)
NOTE: SHE MENTIONED RICARDO, AND SHE MENTIONED SOMEONE IS BRINGING HER MOMS SOUP OVER.

4-30 casey to amy: at 1:36pm " i was home before 10:45 last night. i was exhausted too. 12 hour days are too long for my liking!this weekend, it's a date! caylee was asking about ya, so hopefully she'll get to see you soon too!!"NOTE: SHE MENTIONS 12 HR DAYS AS IF IN WORKING,

FOLLOWING SEEMS TO BE REFERENCE TO RICARDO BEING A FRIEND OF DAVE AND TROY BROWN. ON JPS WEBSITE HE MENTIONS A TROY, DAVE AND RICARDO ALL AS FRIENDS WHICH IS WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THIS COMMENT BELOW REFERS TO RICARDO.
6-19 Casey posts to Troy at 3:57pm: you, ric and dave should definitely come out tomorrow night. i'll give you a buzz later. i haven't see you in ages!

6-24 ,troy to amy at 2:33pm on June 24th, 2008 so where are you living now?
6-24 Amy to Troy 2:46pm, I'm still at Ricardo and JPs... hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late... any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?
6-24 troy to amy,at 3:40pm on June 24th, 2008 I'll talk with the g-parents and we will figure it out.

Note: I posted links to one of Amy's former Ovieda homes on the links section today.

If you go here Orange Co Property Appraiser. http://www.ocpafl.org/disclaimer.html Search by owner name.
It says its a 3 BR, 2.5 BA TH

[tttterri]

Yes, I described it as JP did on his website, I guess the 3rd br would be what he considered the one on the bottom floor. Thanks!

[wedavis]

Ricardo did NOT live across from Sawgrass. He lived across from the retirement home Casey took them to.

[tttterri]

I have not found out what is across from Sawgrass, but just the fact that Casey showed LE the seniors facility across from Glenwood (JP,Ricardo and Amy's place) makes me real curious as to what is across from the Sawgrass place! Worth knowing, because she sure talked in circles!

[Sparky]

I have not found out what is across from Sawgrass, but just the fact that Casey showed LE the seniors facility across from Glenwood (JP,Ricardo and Amy's place) makes me real curious as to what is across from the Sawgrass place! Worth knowing, because she sure talked in circles!

There is a Lake there. It's Lake Tennessee. No access to it from Conway Rd that I noticed. Fenced all the way down the sidewalk. Then there are houses and I believe a small set of apts on the other side of the lake.

[chizap]

There is a Lake there. It's Lake Tennessee. No access to it from Conway Rd that I noticed. Fenced all the way down the sidewalk. Then there are houses and I believe a small set of apts on the other side of the lake.

I asked in the Questions for the searchers thread about this-
It would be easy to "still pin it on fictitious ZG whom she dropped her off with", right? if she was found there- the "nanny's" fault - who got scared and ran away

[wedavis]

I asked in the Questions for the searchers thread about this-
It would be easy to "still pin it on fictitious ZG whom she dropped her off with", right? if she was found there- the "nanny's" fault - who got scared and ran away

I think that is a good theory that should be vetted. Maybe Casey dumped the body near Sawgrass and is now telling Baez to pin it on the Fusian connectioned people because of this new found coincidence.

This tactic would be similar to the one used by Scott Petersen's defense team: that there was a cult group near where Stacey went missing.

[olive]

(I wish someone could save Caseys photobucket pics to an online place where we can refer to them in case she deletes those albums, I do not have a photobucket account.)


I will do this if you can provide me with the links. There are so many links circulating websleuths I don't have the time to search for them.

(I got the apt layout from JP Chatts website)What is the url to his website?

[tttterri]

Here you go. I finally got a photobucket account opened but I couldnt find a way to move the albums over to mine except for one at a time, too too tedious on my computer since it is so slow at loading pics.

http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/JP/Welcome.html JP site

Casey's photobucket albums

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...s157/pictures/ (http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/)

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/

[olive]

Here you go. I finally got a photobucket account opened but I couldnt find a way to move the albums over to mine except for one at a time, too too tedious on my computer since it is so slow at loading pics.

http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/JP/Welcome.html JP site

Casey's photobucket albums

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...s157/pictures/ (http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/)

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/

ok, working on it now. may take awhile!!

[tttterri]

Its very generous of you to take time to do this Olive. You may be our lifesaver when those albums go down like the birth photo albums did!

[tttterri]

Mornin all. Seems like even with this thread, we still have NO info on Ricardo. So odd. I've been jumping around from the start of this, wondering why the name and JPs have never came out much at all. When BH said it on the Geraldo show the other night, Geraldo looked like he was slapped or something! It hasnt been proven he was ex-cop, I still think that may have been confusion with the JG ex-cop but not sure. It hasnt been on the affidavit or the search warrant that he has even made a statement, not one of his myspace or facebook posts have been discovered. and it goes on and on.

I did notice at one time there was a Caylee is Missing Facebook group started by someone that listed JP and Ricardo as admins and Amy was inviting everyone to join. It only had the basics as the flier, no info or posting otherwise.

There are a lot of paint cans in the garage of Glenwood apt where Ricardo and JP lived and they are shown in pictures of the parties, but the pics are from around 07. Maybe Ricardo is/was into maintanance or painting. I think it was too many cans to be leftovers from using at JPs apt. Then again, JP could have been doing that line of work but he has a prior tv job, and seems to be into film, news, things like that so it makes me wonder if the cans didnt belong to Ricardo.

I'm pondering here, hoping someone will read and add in any additional items that they also have noticed.
Paint cans in background of pic from Glenwood garage.

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/?action=view&current=Copyofn57207371_31621805_4796.jpg

[yosande]

I hadn't heard this brought up, the possibility of him being dad...or I missed it.

I'd like to get some pics of him.

I've seen a few pics of him and imo, Caylee doesn't look like him at all, but she looks just like JP Chatts. :)

[yosande]

going back and looking at it again,.. I think she has JPs mouth, lips, cheeks, shape of the ears and a little bit of his eyes. I could be way off. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. Does anyone else see it??????

I opened two tabs and made one really smaller with Caylee's pic in it to compare to the ones of JP.

The shape of Caylee's ears, and JP Chatt's ears...

[yosande]

I kinda think she looks like jesus in this one(upper right) b/c of the facial expressionhttp://i35.tinypic.com/2ivjmli.jpg.
but on the other hand I also see jp's eyes (bottom right)


This is the only pic of Caylee with a crooked smile. imo, she is drugged in this pic. again. jmo

[tttterri]

Info gleaned for me today is Ricardo's birthdate. (from JPs site and an old traffic ticket) January 23 1984. I did see that he enjoyed spending time with JP, going on road trips with him, photography, filming. JP states on his site that Ricardo majored in biology at Univ of Tampa, JP also spent time taking photographs in NY with Ricardo and Ricardo's father in 07. Looks like Ricardo and JP's friendship goes back a little way. On JP's site, I see Lauren, Caseys first yr babysitter and friend from 2005, is a friend also. I am finding that JP, Ricardo,Lauren all go back a few yrs with their friendship and Amy was possibly a friend of Laurens at the beginning. according to myspace posts on Amy's, JP and Lauren knew her in March of 07. I believe Amy stated she only knew Casey 6 mths but I think it may have been much longer according to all of these posts. Not sure. Photos in Caseys photobucket show JP,Ricardo,Lauren,Amy,Casey, and some guy with JONES on the back of his shirt, all standing together in JP's garage. Who is Jones?

JP site:
http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/Roadtrip/Roadies.html


Ricardo knew Amy in 06.
(Could this be Christmas vacation with family in PR?)
Ricardo M comments to Amy:
Dec 17 2006 9:41 PM
I'm kinda in the airport right now, on my way to PR. but I will be back in FL Jan 13! so we will hang out

[olive]

Its very generous of you to take time to do this Olive. You may be our lifesaver when those albums go down like the birth photo albums did!

Still working on this! Didn't have time to work on it yesterday, though. It is taking forever because I have to import pics one by one! :eek:

[mom_of_five]

Well, I'm not so sure about Ricardo being the father anymore for a couple reasons...one, Caylee really does look a lot like JP (though I realize that doesn't prove anything) and two, it appears he and Casey met well after Caylee's birth. IF some evidence (photos, etc) popped up that he and Casey knew each other around the time Casey came up pregnant, I'd go back with my original thought that Ricardo is the Dad. Ricardo being Caylee's father would also explain why Casey didn't think twice about all of them sleeping in the same bed...

[pixarfreak]

here's the problem...Caylee was born in August 2005, which means the father is someone she met/knew in 2004. None of these characters were in her life at the time.

[absolut_alexis]

page 42 of discovery 151-263

"I don't know specifics. I, I would assume with the mother or with Zani, who is the nanny of Caylee. Which is what Casey told me the whole time I knew her. If she's not here she's with one of those two"

He is the only person who has know Casey awhile who knows the name Zani. Everyone else heard it last minute, if at all.

[jat]

My money is on Caylee's father being Hawkins. Anyone have that link to the photo? I couldn't find it.

j