Pizza Thoughts

[krimekat]

Leaving pizza out for a week: it dries up!!!

[txsvicki]

I'm not sure what would happen to frozen uncooked pizza that is a stack of small round pies in a plastic bag. That sort of sounded to me like what Cindy was talking about.

[flagirl61]

What a coincidence you should ask.

This evening the local (Orlando) WFTV Channel 9 news team did a story on their own pizza experiment --- based on Cindy's claim that the smell in the trunk came from pizza that had been in there for 12 days.

So the WFTV reporters put a Domino's meatsa- pizza into the back of the trunk of the station editor's car.

After 7 days the pizza still looks like pizza, there are no maggots, and the pizza has the consistency of shoe leather. The trunk smells faintly of pizza.

They said they will keep the pizza in the trunk and do an update when they hit the 12-day mark.

So, Cindy, it's not looking good for your little pizza theory!!

Here is a link to the WFTV story:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17053323/detail.html:rolleyes:

[txsvicki]

Has it been verified exactly what type pizza it was, whether take out in a box from a restaurant or a bag from the grocery store? Cindy said it was in a bag. I think frozen pizza stilled sealed in a plastic bag would mold, then start drying out some in a hot closed car. I think the maggots came from some other source that was in the car or attracted to the fluid leaks. Just my opinion.

[flagirl61]

I think frozen pizza stilled sealed in a plastic bag would mold, then start drying out some in a hot closed car. I think the maggots came from some other source that was in the car or attracted to the fluid leaks. Just my opinion.


I think you are right.

[christine2448]

What a coincidence you should ask.

This evening the local (Orlando) WFTV Channel 9 news team did a story on their own pizza experiment --- based on Cindy's claim that the smell in the trunk came from pizza that had been in there for 12 days.

So the WFTV reporters put a Domino's meatsa- pizza into the back of the trunk of the station editor's car.

After 7 days the pizza still looks like pizza, there are no maggots, and the pizza has the consistency of shoe leather. The trunk smells faintly of pizza.

They said they will keep the pizza in the trunk and do an update when they hit the 12-day mark.

So, Cindy, it's not looking good for your little pizza theory!!

Here is a link to the WFTV story:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17053323/detail.html:rolleyes:

Interesting..I was going to suggest we did this, glad they are! TY for posting.

[QuickAttack]

Is anyone at all still buying the pizza story?

I think it's been settled that the stench was from decomp and body fluids.

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The Orange County Sheriff's Office hopes to have DNA results from Casey Anthony's car by next week. Deputies found hair, bodily fluid and the smell of human decomposition in her car.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html

[Hailiejade77]

Has it been verified exactly what type pizza it was, whether take out in a box from a restaurant or a bag from the grocery store? Cindy said it was in a bag. I think frozen pizza stilled sealed in a plastic bag would mold, then start drying out some in a hot closed car. I think the maggots came from some other source that was in the car or attracted to the fluid leaks. Just my opinion.

Thats what I was thinking as well.

[FLbeachdawg]

Interesting..I was going to suggest we did this, glad they are! TY for posting.

One of our members DID do this....he/she found the same conclusion...they go by the handle of "chatty" something.

[Stoelly]

I have thought this and have not seen this posted before (although it may have been)

I believe that there very well could have been pizza in the trunk that had maggots on it. The pizza did not attract the maggots, however. A dead body did. Here is support for this:

Insect activity
From the moment of death flies are attracted to bodies. Without the normal defences of a living animal, blowflies and house flies are able to lay eggs around wounds and natural body openings (mouth, nose, eyes, anus, genitalia). These eggs hatch and move into the body, often within 24 hours. The life cycle of a fly from egg to maggot to fly takes from two to three weeks. It can take considerably longer at low temperatures.


This information was taken from http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/initial_decay.htm

My other thought was that the police investigators could learn a lot just by doing testing on those maggots. I believe that I saw a transcript of Grandma Cindy stating that she had the trunk open for 2 days trying to air out the smell and threw out the bag of pizza - after the police had left. (Not sure where I read this but I HOPE that this is not true, it would be a huge waste of possibly crucial evidence!)

[Nedthan Johns]

Stolley: Good point, the eggs could have already been deposited on Caylee from the flies and coud have gotten in the trunk that way.

[LI_Mom]

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[LI_Mom]

Is anyone at all still buying the pizza story?

I think it's been settled that the stench was from decomp and body fluids.

Amazing, isn't it? :rolleyes:

What are the chances a specially trained cadaver dog could confuse pizza for a dead body?

What are the chances that TWO specially trained dogs could make the same mistake?

Was there rotting pizza in the BACKYARD also???? How do people explain away the 2 separate hits by cadaver dogs there????

[my2cents]

I have thought this and have not seen this posted before (although it may have been)

I believe that there very well could have been pizza in the trunk that had maggots on it. The pizza did not attract the maggots, however. A dead body did. Here is support for this:

Insect activity
From the moment of death flies are attracted to bodies. Without the normal defences of a living animal, blowflies and house flies are able to lay eggs around wounds and natural body openings (mouth, nose, eyes, anus, genitalia). These eggs hatch and move into the body, often within 24 hours. The life cycle of a fly from egg to maggot to fly takes from two to three weeks. It can take considerably longer at low temperatures.


This information was taken from http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/initial_decay.htm

My other thought was that the police investigators could learn a lot just by doing testing on those maggots. I believe that I saw a transcript of Grandma Cindy stating that she had the trunk open for 2 days trying to air out the smell and threw out the bag of pizza - after the police had left. (Not sure where I read this but I HOPE that this is not true, it would be a huge waste of possibly crucial evidence!)

I was thinking this too!

Just to add to this--

I went to my husband's truck and found a fast food bad with a little hamburger left in it. He had gone out of town for work that week and I needed something out of the truck. I saw it and tucked it under the seat so he wouldn't throw it away (Ok, yeah, I know--but I was NOT doing this experiment in my car! :) )

I went out yesterday to check on it. No maggots. No terrible smell. I have asked my hubby if he smells anything by saying stuff like "Wow, your car stinks!" and he still says he doesn't smell anything (he is still clueless to what I did!)

Anyway, we are in Alabama. It's as hot here as in FL. I would think that flies would have to have a way to get in the car to lay eggs on the pizza. The only thing I could reconcile was that the child was buried and allowed to decompose for a few days. Thus, when she was placed in the car, she ALREADY had the fly activity going on and it just moved to the pizza (if Crazy Cindy isn't lying about the maggots too :rolleyes:).

[wallflower67]

I was thinking this too!

Just to add to this--

I went to my husband's truck and found a fast food bad with a little hamburger left in it. He had gone out of town for work that week and I needed something out of the truck. I saw it and tucked it under the seat so he wouldn't throw it away (Ok, yeah, I know--but I was NOT doing this experiment in my car! :) )

I went out yesterday to check on it. No maggots. No terrible smell. I have asked my hubby if he smells anything by saying stuff like "Wow, your car stinks!" and he still says he doesn't smell anything (he is still clueless to what I did!)

Anyway, we are in Alabama. It's as hot here as in FL. I would think that flies would have to have a way to get in the car to lay eggs on the pizza. The only thing I could reconcile was that the child was buried and allowed to decompose for a few days. Thus, when she was placed in the car, she ALREADY had the fly activity going on and it just moved to the pizza (if Crazy Cindy isn't lying about the maggots too :rolleyes:).

Sadly, I"m not very good about cleaning my back seat. I tell my kids to throw out the remaniders of the fast food we ate in the car, but I've found bags containing half-eaten sandwiches that I know were in there for two weeks. And I never smelled a thing.

[my2cents]

Sadly, I"m not very good about cleaning my back seat. I tell my kids to throw out the remaniders of the fast food we ate in the car, but I've found bags containing half-eaten sandwiches that I know were in there for two weeks. And I never smelled a thing.

My hubby's truck still doesn't smell. These people could have come up with a much better excuse than that. I mean, at least say it was a package of raw hamburger meat that fell out of the grocery bag or something.

Cindy is a loony bird, IMO.

[coltsgal]

I'd like to do an experiment with raw meat to see how it turns out. But I dont want my car to smell bad in case it works with raw meat...which I think it will.

[LI_Mom]

I'd like to do an experiment with raw meat to see how it turns out. But I dont want my car to smell bad in case it works with raw meat...which I think it will.

That's the time when it's good to have an ex-husband, huh? hehe

[wedavis]

The media keeps playing the clip of Cindy saying it must have been pizza, but rarely do they play the one where she says it could have been a squirl.

I don't believe either, but let's make sure we get our facts straight...

[my2cents]

The media keeps playing the clip of Cindy saying it must have been pizza, but rarely do they play the one where she says it could have been a squirl.

I don't believe either, but let's make sure we get our facts straight...

lol, OMG. Yeah, a the invisible nanny put the invisible squirrel in the trunk. You mean to tell me that she didn't think to blurt that out when she made up the pizza story? OMG, you are completely kidding me about a squirrel, right???

[coltsgal]

I've never heard she said it was a squirrel. She really said that? Wow.

I've never heard of a squirrel finding their way into the trunk of a car. Plus, if there really WAS a squirrel in there, where did the pizza story come from? Why would she blame it on the pizza if there was a decomposing squirrel in the trunk?

[my2cents]

I've never heard she said it was a squirrel. She really said that? Wow.

I've never heard of a squirrel finding their way into the trunk of a car. Plus, if there really WAS a squirrel in there, where did the pizza story come from? Why would she blame it on the pizza if there was a decomposing squirrel in the trunk?

I just laughed while the professor was talking, but I couldn't help it :)

I mean really, they seem to have a boatload of junk in their trunk (no pun intended)...pizza, squirrels, dead grandchild, etc. Given, it would be in the families best interest NOT to claim it was the grandchild, but Crazy Cindy picks the pizza over the dead squirrel to explain the stench away??? What planet are these freaks from? We need to ship this whole family off to the circus freak show. Unbelievable!

[my2cents]

I'm at school, this thread is so absurd I can't stop laughing. Not because of you guys, but because of Cindy. I will have to catch up on this when I get home but, please, tell me if she really changed the story to be a squirrel now???

[Chanler]

Living in New York, I have smelled a few dead mice and rats and a deceased upstairs senior citizen neighbor. To me, the odor of the first two was distinctly different than the third.

[LI_Mom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story?page=2&track=rss


Confronted by reporters at her home moments after the tapes were released Thursday, Cindy Anthony said she stands by her daughter. When asked about her conflicting statements on the smell inside the trunk of the car, she said she initially believed something might have died in there: "It could have been a squirrel."

[wedavis]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story?page=2&track=rss


Confronted by reporters at her home moments after the tapes were released Thursday, Cindy Anthony said she stands by her daughter. When asked about her conflicting statements on the smell inside the trunk of the car, she said she initially believed something might have died in there: "It could have been a squirrel."

I just find it interesting that the media doesn't play the squirl comment clip (or make references to it) like they do the pizza comment. They want to air the more unlikely statement (from a smell standpoint) to call attention to themselves.

[DesertDreamer]

I still think that first 911 call where Cindy said "it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car" is most telling.

I think everything else is lies, backtracking and denial.

LI_Mom[/B]]Confronted by reporters at her home moments after the tapes were released Thursday, Cindy Anthony said she stands by her daughter. When asked about her conflicting statements on the smell inside the trunk of the car, she said she initially believed something might have died in there: "It could have been a squirrel."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...ge=2&track=rss (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthony-orlando-911-072508,0,5568332.story?page=2&track=rss)

Wow. More stories.
First a pizza with maggots all over it.
Now a dead squirrel-- what was it trying to eat the pizza?

[MBS]

Really, when you think about it, it seems certain that a decomposing body must have been in that car. You have Cindy, a nurse, initially saying it smelled like a dead body, you have 2 cadavar dogs with 2 different trainers, both hitting on the car, and you have a detective who testified it smelled like a dead body had been in the car. I've never been in that situation, but others say it is a very distinctive odor, not likely to be mistaken for anything else. I don't see how it can even be an issue after all that.

[brighidin]

I was thinking this too!

Just to add to this--

I went to my husband's truck and found a fast food bad with a little hamburger left in it. He had gone out of town for work that week and I needed something out of the truck. I saw it and tucked it under the seat so he wouldn't throw it away (Ok, yeah, I know--but I was NOT doing this experiment in my car! :) )


LOL!

between my kids and I, we have left all kinds of food in my car. IMO, the only things that smells raunchy are frappuccinos.

[Bobby62]

Amazing, isn't it? :rolleyes:

What are the chances a specially trained cadaver dog could confuse pizza for a dead body?

What are the chances that TWO specially trained dogs could make the same mistake?

Was there rotting pizza in the BACKYARD also???? How do people explain away the 2 separate hits by cadaver dogs there????

About slim to none. Those two dogs have been trained and re-trained.

[icherish]

Really, when you think about it, it seems certain that a decomposing body must have been in that car. You have Cindy, a nurse, initially saying it smelled like a dead body, you have 2 cadavar dogs with 2 different trainers, both hitting on the car, and you have a detective who testified it smelled like a dead body had been in the car. I've never been in that situation, but others say it is a very distinctive odor, not likely to be mistaken for anything else. I don't see how it can even be an issue after all that.

Interesting how Cindy stated at the bond hearing she'd never experienced the odor of a dead body before...yet as we heard on the 2nd 911 tape, that's exactly what she thought of when she first got a whiff of the car. I suppose there is something to be said about one's first impressions being correct.

And about a dog's nose...it doesn't lie, let alone two of them.

Collectively, it seems pretty much indisputable that a dead body had been in the car and probably the yard. I suppose they are still waiting on tests/DNA (or better yet, Casey's confession) to move further with charges.

[QuickAttack]

I just find it interesting that the media doesn't play the squirl comment clip (or make references to it) like they do the pizza comment. They want to air the more unlikely statement (from a smell standpoint) to call attention to themselves.

Maybe because the squirrel excuse is even more retarded than the pizza one?

[Anniegirl]

I still think that first 911 call where Cindy said "it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car" is most telling.

I think everything else is lies, backtracking and denial.



Wow. More stories.
First a pizza with maggots all over it.
Now a dead squirrel-- what was it trying to eat the pizza?




Right on-- she was mad at Casey for stealing her car, money..etc so she spoke the truth the first 911 call--

She's lived long enough she knows damn well a pizza doesnt smell like that...


Thank God old pizza does become hard and petrified like--

my little dog "hides" food and pizza is one thing i can find days after we've had it and not be smelly --more like cardboard ~:eek:

[LaLaw2000]

LOL, my daughter asked me yesterday if I wanted to go with her for a pizza! I told her we would have to go eat somewhere else as I just didn't care for any pizza these days!

Really, who in this world could have even believed that pizza could have smelled THAT bad, or a squirrel would jump in the trunk?

Cindy has been grasping at straws. I understand why, but she needs to at least make it plausible if she is going to lie.

[websurfer]

on occassion I have forgotten some groceries near the car [ once and oly once some raw chicken]
and talk about a bad smell!

:chicken:
so speaking from my own experience...
I have also known people[ you will not believe this one!]

Who never put their pizza in the fridge!
They buy it eat some and leave the leftovers out in the closed box and say
"Are you nuts?You do not have to put pizza in the fridge"

No I am NOT kidding!
:Banane37:
[ but it never got that horrible }

[icherish]

[QUOTE=websurfer;2448320]on occassion I have forgotten some groceries near the car [ once and oly once some raw chicken]
and talk about a bad smell!


I concur about the chicken.

I was once forced to single-handedly launch my chest freezer out the basement door after it was accidently left unplugged for heaven knows how long. Yea, there was chicken in it....opening the lid even just a crack was like releasing a thousand demons in the house. :eek:

Old pizza can't even come close...

[txsvicki]

I'd also like to know why a fly would be hanging around in a hot trunk laying eggs on some food that would dry out or just mold inside a plastic bag. I finally saw that George said the pizza was in a box that was inside a trash bag in a closed trunk for FIFTEEN days. So, according to him, that pizza was stinking and rotting with maggots all that time. The car supposedly was abandoned only a few days before the Anthony's picked it up. He's practically telling the world that Casey was not driving that car all that time.

[Evan's Mom]

Does anyone know exactly what kind of pizza was supposed to be in the trunk?
Could it have possibly been some kind of seafood(maybe shrimp) pizza?
The reason I ask is because up until two years ago, I owned a towing company and we did police impounds. I recall one summer, a driver came in and complained about the awful smell coming from one of the cars on our lot. He said it smelled like a dead body, but didn't want to open the trunk to find out.
Of course we immediately called the local police department to come down to check it out.
Turns out, the lady that had been arrested was on her way home from the grocery store and had a pound of shrimp in one of the bags and it had spoiled. The officer that came, told us all that the closest things that come to smelling like a dead body are rotten seafood and rotten potatoes.
Anyway, I never really bought the pizza story, but I've been thinking about it and did want to add my prior experience with a foul trunk odor.

[joanofarc]

Sadly, I think Caylee was in the trunk of Caysee's car for a good while...god knows how many days :(

[MsRyber]

I'd like to do an experiment with raw meat to see how it turns out. But I dont want my car to smell bad in case it works with raw meat...which I think it will.


We went grocery shopping and a box of "Pizza Pockets" fell under the seat.
After 2 days, it stunk to the gills, but of fried bologna.
It took a couple days to get the smell out, but IMO, it wasn't gag worthy.
There was no mold. It just kind of liquified.
Some febreeze did wonders.

I have smelled a dead body, and lemme tell you, Pizza Pockets was roses compared to a corpse.

[miimaa]

I have left pizza out and it just dries up.... like cardboard as someone else said. The worst smells ever are raw chicken I forgot in the trunk and rotting potatos. I don't believe the smell came from pizza. Who carries a bag of garbage around in their trunk anyway?

[krimekat]

I have left pizza out and it just dries up.... like cardboard as someone else said. The worst smells ever are raw chicken I forgot in the trunk and rotting potatos. I don't believe the smell came from pizza. Who carries a bag of garbage around in their trunk anyway?

I have -- since the dumpster is down a hill and about 1/8 mile from my home. But I agree, pizza left out for 1/2 month is dried up, not maggot-y.

[Diamond]

I experienced the smell of a trash can without a lid. Flies had got to it, and there were maggots. It smelled bad...similar to a dead animal. Which makes sense, because cadaverine and putrescine happen with garbage decomposition too.

That said, I believe the worst...considering the dogs hit on the trunk and spots in the yard. I might believe a mistake was made by a single dog and his/her handler...but two different teams? Add that in with all the other information (& lack thereof...Casey) and it doesn't look good at all.

If anything, maybe the trash was put there to cover and explain the odor...?

[krimekat]

I'd also like to know why a fly would be hanging around in a hot trunk laying eggs on some food that would dry out or just mold inside a plastic bag. I finally saw that George said the pizza was in a box that was inside a trash bag in a closed trunk for FIFTEEN days. So, according to him, that pizza was stinking and rotting with maggots all that time. The car supposedly was abandoned only a few days before the Anthony's picked it up. He's practically telling the world that Casey was not driving that car all that time.

More like 15 days . . . it has been documented

[SelmaClue]

The pizza notion is much like another food, IMO:
Baloney.

[fixingtoburst]

The pizza box found in the trunk. Who made it and was it delivered and on what date?

[fixingtoburst]

I'm thinking if they could track down when the pizza was bought, then we've got a tighter time line.

[fixingtoburst]

Most Large Chains like Dominoes, Pizza Hut, etc use software to track their pizzas.

[fixingtoburst]

And for the pizza to have maggots on it means it was probably disposed of at the same time that Caylee was. :(

[fixingtoburst]

Even the tow truck driver should be able to remember the name on the pizza box.

[SoCaliMom]

And for the pizza to have maggots on it means it was probably disposed of at the same time that Caylee was. :(

I still am not buying the pizza/maggots thing ... it would dry out not get mushy ... it's just not sitting with me ...

[sharper]

My son's ex-gf is notorious for leaving pizza out in his room - not refrigerating it at all - granted it's cheese pizza - but I've SEEN her eat it after maybe one or two weeks and not get sick. I'm really glad she's his EX - now that I think about it.... :blowkiss: