Amateur Astrological Info on Casey and Caylee

[housemouse]

I am going to do my best, as a newbie, to figure out how to post the astrological charts for Caylee and Casey here.

Also, will do my best to highlight the pertinent aspects indicating trouble, both in the natal charts, and in the transits to these.

Feel free to ask questions, and I will do my best to answer.

[housemouse]

OK, I see that I can't post attachments. But here is my previous post on Casey's chart.

Casey has her natal Sun and Mercury in a square to her Mars and Uranus.

This, in her natal,chart, indicates what we already know from her behavior...

(agitated, incoherent, and erratic thinking, excitable, argumentative, quarrelsome, self willed obstinacy, accident-prone, potential for violence, haste and premature action, liability or proneness to accidents or injuries)

Given that her Sun and Mercury are in Pisces, she should have a very subjective and personal outlook on life, and would be very impressionable, moody, and prevarication is also probable under stress.

Mars and Uranus in Saggitarius account for her impulsive behavior, sudden outbursts of anger, acting in haste, her need for excitement and intolerance of routine.

Now, with Uranus presently sitting on her Mercury, and squaring her natal Uranus and Mars, and the transit of Pluto squaring her Sun, I see the potential for violence, sudden impulsive actions, and then lying about it. The Moon travels so quickly around the signs that it is generally a triggering device, so I wonder what happened on the dates mentioned above.

It is very possible that anything that might have happened to Caylee was a sudden and disastrous accident, caused by sudden impulsive actions on Casey's part. But, given the planets in Pisces, her natural tendency to lie when caught is eventually going to catch up with her.

Pluto will be her downfall, for it's present position can cause her to over-estimate her power to escape the consequences of her actions, and she can be arrogant about it all.

I feel she is in danger of a mental meltdown at some point, particularly when her house of cards comes tumbling down.

Now, all that said, there are other possible times for whatever happened to Caylee to have happened during this period, as Uranus and Pluto are the cause of the tension, and the Moon would be the trigger.

That is why we need to tie down whether the ex-BF is absolutely sure he heard Caylee's voice on the phone on the 24th. (Or was Casey doing an imitation off a bit away from the phone to concoct her cover story)

Mercury rules telephones, among other things, and Mars rules ex BFs!

P.S. I just noticed (smacking head!) that on the 17th/18th the transiting Sun was in opposition to transiting Pluto, and both were squaring her natal Sun... all the more worriesome, in my humble and amateur opinion.

[housemouse]

I need lessons in how to upload a JPEG!

[housemouse]

Getting late for this lil ol granny housemouse.

I will post what I see in Caylee's natal chart tomorrow. I got both birthdates for Casey and Caylee from the "daily recaps".

If any of you an hunt down Lee's and the Gparents birthdates, I would appreciate the help! And, I would also appreciate help in how I attach the pertinent charts of Caylee, Casey, and the rest of the family, once I get birthdates for them.

But, I can take it, friends. If this isn't of any interest to the sleuthers here, I will drop the subject. I don't want to be a pest. Just let me know.

[my2cents]

I need lessons in how to upload a JPEG!

Lol, I don't know how to do that either. Can you do a chart like that on Caylee for those days?

[curiositycat]

I am not an astrologer. I do though pay a lot of attention to eclipes, ect.
The next two weeks looks like, to me, it could bring a lot of things because of the moon and the other two planets lining up as well as two eclipses between now and the 16th.
Do any of you who study the solar system think, as I do, that we may have a major earthquake between now and then?
Based on the eclipses and the planets lining up I would say that all heck could break out in this case. I am expecting a bombshell in this case..
Any thoughts??

[ElizaAvalon]

Thank you, Housemouse! Very cool! Please don't stop posting the charting. I'm definitely interested.

[ElizaAvalon]

The best I can do is this:

George A. Anthony - Born Sep 1951
Cynthia M. Anthony - Born Jun 1958

Also, Lee and Casey were born in Warren, OH

[brighidin]

I saw your posts in the general thread. I don't know much about astrology, but I found your posts very interesting. I don't think you should stop posting. :o)

[housemouse]

The best I can do is this:

George A. Anthony - Born Sep 1951
Cynthia M. Anthony - Born Jun 1958

Also, Lee and Casey were born in Warren, OH

That is some help, Eliza. But the exact date is so much better.

I will try again in the morning to see if I can figure out how to post JPEG graphics. All I know at the moment is that below my post window, it tells me that I am not allowed to post attachments.

I either need to figure out the settings, or one of the Board Monitors need to set it so I can post the JPEGS. Since I am new, they may not want to give me permission just yet, which I can certainly understand.

If so, I will figure out a way to post the pertinent charts elsewhere, and those who are interested can click on a link.

But, now I have to get to bed. My husband needs my attention pretty early in the morning...

[brighidin]

if you click on "go advanced" instead of "post quick reply" you get more potions. There is a little graphic that looks like a mountain that lets you post images. I have never tried it, so I'm not sure if that will help you. Or you could PM a mod and ask. Also, there is a technical forum where someone could answer the question. I'm not very computer savvy. ;(

[CarrieSis]

You can upload to photobucket.

Click the little yellow mountain icon above where you are typing into the box, and paste the direct url of the image in there

OR

copy and paste the photobucket link that starts with "[IMG"

[housemouse]

Thank you, Carrie Sis. I finally figured out the whole photobucket thing, I think!

Here is Casey's natal chart first.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/CaseyAnthony.jpg

[housemouse]

And, here is Caylee's...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/CayleeAnthony.jpg

[Medea]

I saw your posts last night too, can you put it into layman's terms what you see in Casey's chart as far as the time frame of June 15th to maybe June 26th or so, and what you see generally about her personality?

[housemouse]

See my post above, where I delineate basically what is shown in her natal chart.

From watching the transits, I am wondering about the time period starting very late in the evening on June 17th, through the afternoon of June 18th.

The moon was triggering off the difficult transits to the hard aspects in her natal chart.

You can spot those by looking for the red lines with the little squares on them. The Sun and Mercury are near the top of the chart, and have a couple of red lines going to Mars and Uranus over on the right side.

I will post a chart next, showing Casey/Natal in the center ring, and the transits to the natal planets in the outer ring, so you can see what I am looking at.

[my2cents]

Thank you for posting this Housemouse.

Can you do a quick run down on what this all means on Caylee's chart? I know nothing about astrology (but do believe it can tell alot), so the charts have me confused. TIA

[housemouse]

See my post above, where I delineate basically what is shown in her natal chart.

From watching the transits, I am wondering about the time period starting very late in the evening on June 17th, through the afternoon of June 18th.

The moon was triggering off the difficult transits to the hard aspects in her natal chart.

You can spot those by looking for the red lines with the little squares on them. The Sun and Mercury are near the top of the chart, and have a couple of red lines going to Mars and Uranus over on the right side.

I will post a chart next, showing Casey/Natal in the center ring, and the transits to the natal planets in the outer ring, so you can see what I am looking at.

[housemouse]

Look in the outer ring, and see how the transiting planets, particularly the moon sitting on Pluto, are in the same spot as her difficult natal planets?

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/18transits.jpg

[Medea]

I have to tell you, that I don't know enough about astrology to be able to interpret the charts.

[my2cents]

lol, this is WAY over my head. I don't understand what I am looking at :)

Can you break it down for us, kindergarten style?

[housemouse]

Comments on Caylee's chart. See the pink lines from her Sun and Mercury, at the top of the chart, that go down to Neptune at the bottom?

That is a Sun/Mercury opposition Neptune aspect. You will also notice red lines (with little squareson them) from Mercury and Saturn over to Caylee's Mars on the right.

Now, based on the symbolism of the Neptune opposition, water or drugs would be the most logical implication in her death.

Now, with both Caysey's and Caylee's natal charts, you will notice that the time is set to noon. This is because we do not have an accurate birth time for either of them. Therefore, the most sensitive and personal parts of the chart are unknown. These are the ascendant, the midheaven, and the moon.

When we don't know these, it makes some important aspects unavailable, particularly when looking at the important transits to the natal chart. If we knew Caylee's birth time, we would have much more information as to what might have happened to her.

There is a square aspect between Venus and Pluto in her natal chart, and transiting Sun is opposing natal Pluto, and squaring Venus. This is formidable, and suggests "physical suffering, martydom, danger to life, etc.

Another aspect is between Caylee's natal Mars, and transiting Mars. These are forming a difficult aspect called a "sesquiquadrate". (Hope I spelled that right!) I wonder if this could be the trigger for whatever happened in this time period?

[housemouse]

I am not as good a teacher as I am a student, unfortunately.

The basic natal chart is a map. It shows the positions of the planets at a moment in time, usually the time of one's birth. The planets keep on moving after that moment, and form aspects to the natal positions over time.

The theory is that by watching these movements, we can get information about when events are going to happen in the individual's life. The German method only pays attention to the aspects that are considered "hard/challenging", and pretty much ignores the "soft" aspects.

I will look around on the web, and see who has the best "lessons" available for free, for those of you who want a better understanding of the basics.

[housemouse]

This site looks good. Let me know if you find it helpful.

http://lessons.astrology.com/

[Medea]

Okay, let me try it this way....

What you see in the chart tells you that something might have happened around June 17th or 18th, yes?

Can you tell me...you can leave out the technical info. planets/transits and aspects..what Casey's chart in general tells you about her personality...high strung, sensitive, aggressive, etc.?

Looking at both charts, do you get a sense of whether it is more or less likely that Caylee was still alive on June 24th as Casey's ex boyfriend believes?

Is there anything in Caylee's chart that indicates a 'something bad' likely to happen at this early point in her life?

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I really do love astrology...thought maybe specific questions would help....

[my2cents]

I am not as good a teacher as I am a student, unfortunately.

The basic natal chart is a map. It shows the positions of the planets at a moment in time, usually the time of one's birth. The planets keep on moving after that moment, and form aspects to the natal positions over time.

The theory is that by watching these movements, we can get information about when events are going to happen in the individual's life. The German method only pays attention to the aspects that are considered "hard/challenging", and pretty much ignores the "soft" aspects.

I will look around on the web, and see who has the best "lessons" available for free, for those of you who want a better understanding of the basics.

No problem. I will go look at the site you listed, but I must forewarn...I chose to go to law school because my brain doesn't work like a scientist lol. :)

I guess my main question is this--

Can you definitely tell by a chart like this if, indeed, someone has died, or is it more or less showing that there may have been some major life event on this day (say like her being kidnapped on the 17th or 18th)?

During the Lauterbach investigation, someone on WS got the birth info on Laurean's child from a website. I believe that it showed everything except her name.

IF we could get a birth time for you, COULD you tell if she died?

Forgive my ignorance. I tried to learn about astrology when I was a teenager and I was too confused to get much out of it.

[my2cents]

Another question--

Let's say that the chart shows that Casey has certain personality traits that you listed. When certain planets align, at the moment that they align, there may possibly make some of these traits more dominant? I am going out on a limb here, but I am thinking maybe when certain planets that control a certain aspect of her personalty align, then those (possibly bad) traits are the dominant traits and may not mix well with eachother and will act as a catalyst for disaster?

ex. Casey has an impulsive trait and an aggressive trait. When the planets that control these 2 align, they are dominant over others at that time. Thus, the possibility of her killing would be more dominant during that time?

If this is the case, how often would those 2 planets align and create this dominant trait and if it works like this, would she necessarily kill each time, or just have an explosive episode?

[housemouse]

Yes, the specific questions do help, Medea.

I do not have a crystal ball, and I am not psychic. I use the transits to Casey's chart to see when she might have taken some kind of action that would be consistent with harm to Caylee.

One very possible timeframe is from very late at night on June 17th, through mid-afternoon on June 18th.

Casey is prone to lying, deception, exaggeration, and confabulation.

She is also excitable, argumentative, stubborn, craves excitement, and apt to have an explosive temper. She will act in haste without thinking through the consequences. These tendencies of hers were very active during the entire time frame of Caylee's disappearance.

Caylee's chart for the 17th and 18th isn't as clear as Casey's. Remember, we do not have her time of birth, and this would be very important in pinning down the most probable time for her to be harmed. There is one indication of trouble shown on the 17th/18th.

Looking at the 24th, I think it is more likely that Casey was pulling a fast one over the phone with her exBF, to make him believe that Caylee was climbing on the table. Just a little "drama" she was putting on to confuse everyone.

Now, remember. I could be very wrong, so do not take any of this as "fact". But, if I were LE, I would be demanding that Casey give the truth about where she was the night of the 17th, and into the 18th. I would want her to give names of who she was with, who might verify her story, etc...

Trying to pin down her location, and an alibi for this time might be very interesting.

[housemouse]

No problem. I will go look at the site you listed, but I must forewarn...I chose to go to law school because my brain doesn't work like a scientist lol. :)

I guess my main question is this--

Can you definitely tell by a chart like this if, indeed, someone has died, or is it more or less showing that there may have been some major life event on this day (say like her being kidnapped on the 17th or 18th)?

During the Lauterbach investigation, someone on WS got the birth info on Laurean's child from a website. I believe that it showed everything except her name.

IF we could get a birth time for you, COULD you tell if she died?

Forgive my ignorance. I tried to learn about astrology when I was a teenager and I was too confused to get much out of it.

From my studies, you cannot tell whether someone has died, nor can you predict when someone will die from their birth chart.

YOU CAN TELL when major life events are apt to occur, and something about the nature of these events. This is why I see the 17th/18th as being a possible time for Casey to suddenly act out of explosive temper, seeking freedom for herself.

Hey, breaking news on Fox? Or are they just repeating the earlier stuff?

[housemouse]

Another question--

Let's say that the chart shows that Casey has certain personality traits that you listed. When certain planets align, at the moment that they align, there may possibly make some of these traits more dominant? I am going out on a limb here, but I am thinking maybe when certain planets that control a certain aspect of her personalty align, then those (possibly bad) traits are the dominant traits and may not mix well with eachother and will act as a catalyst for disaster?

ex. Casey has an impulsive trait and an aggressive trait. When the planets that control these 2 align, they are dominant over others at that time. Thus, the possibility of her killing would be more dominant during that time?

If this is the case, how often would those 2 planets align and create this dominant trait and if it works like this, would she necessarily kill each time, or just have an explosive episode?

You have it right. She has these impulsive explosive tendencies in her birth chart. These will be triggered off on a regular basis, but the slower moving planets are more significant in timing a major explosion, such as the one we are discussing. Uranus and Pluto are the slower moving planets that are involved, and the fast moving moon is triggering the slower moving two.

If you peer at the Casey's chart showing the two rings, you will be able to see Uranus, Pluto, and the Moon in the outer ring, making aspects to her inner planets. Uranus looks like a tv antenna, Pluto looks like combo PL, and the moon is a crescent.

[my2cents]

Ok, thank you!

So basically, the event that shows up on that date shows that 2 things aligned that could cause a explosive personality that POSSIBLY could have caused her to kill? Also, if Caylee is showing something on those same days, could it be that it was because of a kidnapping vs murder?

IMO she is dead. But, I am asking so I can better understand this!

[my2cents]

I also noticed that it seems all the planets are consolidated in 3 houses. Is this strange or should they be better dispersed like Caylee's chart?

[housemouse]

I want to repeat myself again. I can't tell exactly WHAT happened from the charts. I can tell WHEN an event would be likely to happen.

Astrology is like a language, combined with a timer.

Maybe this will help explain it better. According to the language of the aspects happening in this time period I am discussing, Casey could have had something disastrous happen to her, just as she could have caused the disaster.

All we know is the time and nature of the event. Something sudden, angry, unusual, possibly violent happened in her life at this time. Whether she caused it, or was the recipient can't be told by the charts. All that can be told is the time and the nature of the event(s)

Since we know Casey wasn't raped, mugged, or murdered herself, we are inferring she was either a witness to the same, or caused something to happen. She is definitely a total liar about whatever happened. That shows very clearly.

[my2cents]

Yes, the specific questions do help, Medea.

I do not have a crystal ball, and I am not psychic. I use the transits to Casey's chart to see when she might have taken some kind of action that would be consistent with harm to Caylee.

One very possible timeframe is from very late at night on June 17th, through mid-afternoon on June 18th.

Casey is prone to lying, deception, exaggeration, and confabulation.

She is also excitable, argumentative, stubborn, craves excitement, and apt to have an explosive temper. She will act in haste without thinking through the consequences. These tendencies of hers were very active during the entire time frame of Caylee's disappearance.

Caylee's chart for the 17th and 18th isn't as clear as Casey's. Remember, we do not have her time of birth, and this would be very important in pinning down the most probable time for her to be harmed. There is one indication of trouble shown on the 17th/18th.

Looking at the 24th, I think it is more likely that Casey was pulling a fast one over the phone with her exBF, to make him believe that Caylee was climbing on the table. Just a little "drama" she was putting on to confuse everyone.

Now, remember. I could be very wrong, so do not take any of this as "fact". But, if I were LE, I would be demanding that Casey give the truth about where she was the night of the 17th, and into the 18th. I would want her to give names of who she was with, who might verify her story, etc...

Trying to pin down her location, and an alibi for this time might be very interesting.

Oh my!

Just looked at the calender for Juny. Tuesday was the 17th and Wed. was the 18th. Maybe she got rid of her kid so that she could go to the club Friday night in her blue dress and dance on the stripper pole :puke:

Poor Caylee.

[housemouse]

I also noticed that it seems all the planets are consolidated in 3 houses. Is this strange or should they be better dispersed like Caylee's chart?

This isn't strange, and is typical of many charts. She has a bunch of planets near the top of her chart, three in Pisces, one in Aries. Another grouping of three on the lower right in Sagittarius, Saturn, Uranus, and Mars.

Saturn, Mars and Uranus are making hard aspects (squares) to Jupiter, Mercury and the Sun. These are her natal planets. This is where her propensity for lying, stealing, sudden emotional impulsive behavior and actions are shown.

The movements of the planets around these specific positions are the "timers" for events.

[housemouse]

Oh my!

Just looked at the calender for Juny. Tuesday was the 17th and Wed. was the 18th. Maybe she got rid of her kid so that she could go to the club Friday night in her blue dress and dance on the stripper pole :puke:

Poor Caylee.

I am going to go back at look at the timeline again, to see if I can figure out who might be able to provide an alibi for her. I only looked quickly at the timelines earlier, and when I found the birthdates, I was off and running to my astrology software to study up the timing.

Now, it will be interesting to go back, and see what was going on on some of the dates listed in the timelines.

[my2cents]

I am going to go back at look at the timeline again, to see if I can figure out who might be able to provide an alibi for her. I only looked quickly at the timelines earlier, and when I found the birthdates, I was off and running to my astrology software to study up the timing.

Now, it will be interesting to go back, and see what was going on on some of the dates listed in the timelines.

I think they mentioned on the other thread that there is NO info for the 17th (or maybe 18th). That might be because she was burying her kid, digging her up, stopping by Sbaro's for a snack, then going back to rebury her :puke:

Casey Anthony is a disgrace to the human race. My opinion only.

[housemouse]

Yes, I checked the timelines. There is a big blank from the 15th to the 24th.

I am suspicious of the exBF phone call, since it is so easy to pull the phone away from your mouth, make a few noises, tell Cayley to get off the table, and make or play some kid noises (from a tape or MP3?)

Casey is the drama queen of prevaricators, remember? She easily could have faked that. But, that is just my suspicion... maybe it is because I am fixated on June 18th...

I sure wish we could find out what she was doing from the 15th to the 24th!

[wallflower67]

You have it right. She has these impulsive explosive tendencies in her birth chart. These will be triggered off on a regular basis, but the slower moving planets are more significant in timing a major explosion, such as the one we are discussing. Uranus and Pluto are the slower moving planets that are involved, and the fast moving moon is triggering the slower moving two.

If you peer at the Casey's chart showing the two rings, you will be able to see Uranus, Pluto, and the Moon in the outer ring, making aspects to her inner planets. Uranus looks like a tv antenna, Pluto looks like combo PL, and the moon is a crescent.

Just out of curiosity, is there anything in Casey's chart that is good? Anything that says she has deep love for her child?

[my2cents]

Yes, I checked the timelines. There is a big blank from the 15th to the 24th.

I am suspicious of the exBF phone call, since it is so easy to pull the phone away from your mouth, make a few noises, tell Cayley to get off the table, and make or play some kid noises (from a tape or MP3?)

Casey is the drama queen of prevaricators, remember? She easily could have faked that. But, that is just my suspicion... maybe it is because I am fixated on June 18th...

I sure wish we could find out what she was doing from the 15th to the 24th!

Given Casey's propensity to lie and to embellish those lies, she may have needed to put the phone down for a minute to do something else and said something about Caylee getting off the table just because she wanted him to think she was doing something entirely different than what she was actually doing.

When I am on the phone, I will often tell people that the dog needs out, but I really have to go pee. Maybe it was something like that and he just assumed that Caylee was there and told LE that.

My question--WHY would they remain friends and go to the beach together when she led him on to believe that this was his child? It's one thing for him to still hang around for Caylee's sake, but would he really be high-tailing it to the beach with her, minus the kid? Seems like to me she was still stringing him along with the long list of others and she was speaking with him to establish an alibi.

[housemouse]

Just out of curiosity, is there anything in Casey's chart that is good? Anything that says she has deep love for her child?

It is hard to be sure of that, wallflower. Because I do not have an accurate, verified birthtime for Casey, I do not know the exact position of her natal Moon.

This would tell me more about her ability to Mother Caylee, about her relationship with her own mother, etc... Children in the natal chart are generally ruled by the 5th house, and again, without an exact birth time, I do not know within which house her Natal Moon is located.

Her Moon is probably in Cancer, which is a nurturing sign, and would explain why people who didn't know her well would see her as a good mother. But, it all depends on house location and aspects.

[housemouse]

I am researching the aspects on June 24th and 25th.

The transiting (moving) Moon has come around to Casey's difficult Mercury position, and it is exactly conjunct (same degree) on the 25th, late morning.

I doubt this was the day anything happened to Caylee, but according to my calendar, the 25th was a Wednesday, and not a weekend. So, it is another possible date, but I still like the 18th better.

[housemouse]

I think my next research will be to look for possible dates for some resolution to this horrible situation. But, I must take a break for dinner and husband care...

Perhaps later on this evening, I can do some more chart checking...

[liltigress]

Most possible DOB for Cindy Anthony is 06-05-1958. Hope this helps? :)

[curiositycat]

Given Casey's propensity to lie and to embellish those lies, she may have needed to put the phone down for a minute to do something else and said something about Caylee getting off the table just because she wanted him to think she was doing something entirely different than what she was actually doing.

When I am on the phone, I will often tell people that the dog needs out, but I really have to go pee. Maybe it was something like that and he just assumed that Caylee was there and told LE that.

My question--WHY would they remain friends and go to the beach together when she led him on to believe that this was his child? It's one thing for him to still hang around for Caylee's sake, but would he really be high-tailing it to the beach with her, minus the kid? Seems like to me she was still stringing him along with the long list of others and she was speaking with him to establish an alibi.
Could be but he said he heard Caylee's voice in the background.

[housemouse]

Most possible DOB for Cindy Anthony is 06-05-1958. Hope this helps? :)

Will get right on it. I will assume Warren, Ohio. Is that correct?

And, could clever Casey have played a recording of Caylee's voice?

[my2cents]

Could be but he said he heard Caylee's voice in the background.

You know, I have really gone over and over that in my head. If she said it to cover herself, he may have just assumed that she was there and told LE that. If My hubby is on the phone with me and he puts the phone down and says something to his daughter, I just assume she is there. If I was asked later, I may say "Yes I heard her" just simply because later I couldn't remember hearing her but I assumed she was there. He may just be mistaken and said that he heard her? Or he could have just been in denial not believing that she could have done something like this and covered for her hoping that Caylee would show up. I dunno. This case is stranger than fiction. Nothing makes sense anymore.

[liltigress]

I'm not sure about the city/state but I'll speculate that is correct.

I haven't figured yet if there was a recording of Caylee in the background or not.

If I'm on the phone with someone and I hear them talking to a child-I hear a child respond, my mind doesn't question that. It would perceive it to be their child. You know what I mean? So I think Jesse's mind may have been playing tricks on him. Possibly... Unless the other time line is correct that we've speculated that something happened June 24 - 27.

[housemouse]

Here is Cindy's natal chart, using a noon time, and Warren, Ohio as the birth place.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/CindyAnthony.jpg


Now, what I see.

Venus square Uranus, Venus opposition Neptune
Excitable in love interests, sense of rhythm, nervousness, moodiness, sudden attractions, upsets through young women, a person easily influenced, dreamy nature, easily seducible, sudden separation in love

Mercury square Pluto
Restless thinking, sharp criticism, crafty subtlety, slyness or cunning, irritability, impatience, over-estimation of self.

In Cindy's chart set for noon, the moon is heavily involved in the major aspects listed above, and really emphasize trouble in these areas. But, we do not know that this is anywhere near close to her birth time, so it isn't proper to include the Moon aspects in considering Cindy's temperament and events in her life.

That said, it seems pretty clear that Casey could probably get away with all sorts of stuff, disappoint her mother time and time again, and be able to talk her way out of it. This is easy for Casey to do, even though it upsets her mother, makes her unstable and nervous.

Wow, Cindy's Mars is right on Casey's Sun... I bet those two did a fair amount of fighting, or "energizing" one another...

There is so much more, but all I can say is that Ann Rule should be paying attention to this tragedy, for there is definitely a good book about the complicated relationship between Cindy and Casey!

Off to do some more studying...

[housemouse]

Taking a look ahead at when there might be a "break" in the case?

I am wondering if something will happen around August 4th. I am watching the Moon move around to oppose Casey's Mercury and transiting Uranus. The typical signature for that is "sudden, surprising news"

Mars is slowly moving closer to the opposition point to Casey's Mercury, and a square to her Uranus, but is still 2 degrees short of exact.

This time period in August will be very interesting. Barack Obama's chart shows some problems around this time, somewhat similar in nature to the risk he faced with the problems on his plane earlier this summer.

I love to find the "event" signatures", then see what happens, and how closely these correspond the the "language of the planets and signs.... I am just a curious little housemouse!

P.S. just did some transit search on Cindy's chart... I am more and more interested to see what happens around August 4th and 5th. Cindy's chart shows the potential for an event on the 5th.

[MysteryAddict]

Taking a look ahead at when there might be a "break" in the case?

I am wondering if something will happen around August 4th. I am watching the Moon move around to oppose Casey's Mercury and transiting Uranus. The typical signature for that is "sudden, surprising news"

Mars is slowly moving closer to the opposition point to Casey's Mercury, and a square to her Uranus, but is still 2 degrees short of exact.

This time period in August will be very interesting. Barack Obama's chart shows some problems around this time, somewhat similar in nature to the risk he faced with the problems on his plane earlier this summer.

I love to find the "event" signatures", then see what happens, and how closely these correspond the the "language of the planets and signs.... I am just a curious little housemouse!

P.S. just did some transit search on Cindy's chart... I am more and more interested to see what happens around August 4th and 5th. Cindy's chart shows the potential for an event on the 5th.


Hi housemouse,

Thanks so much for your hard work on these charts.
I've been fascinated by your posts
I had studied astrology many years ago, but pretty much gave up on interpretation.
You inspired me to search for an online ephemeris and am trying to follow along.
I did notice that on July 15th when Cindy called LE the moon was right back there in SAG.
as it was on June 17,18.
How about that!! Must be something to this stuff. LOL
Keep up the great work!

[miss lisa]

Housemouse you have a PM

[housemouse]

You are on the right track, Mystery.

Don't worry about the "what", for that is way too complicated. And, if you read the Bible's instruction about astrology, we are not to guess at what.

But, we are able to understand the "when", and to see how God uses the celestial clock to teach us about the wonders of His plan.

Most get discouraged when studying astrology because they are too much into pinning down the "what". All we need to do is to take a good close look at the "when", and then use that for our growth and understanding.

He is in charge, and we can only "see through a glass, darkly".

I can see the set-up, by the outer planets, as these aspect sensitive points in the natal charts of Cindy, Casey, and Caylee. All I am doing now is watching the moon as it makes the monthly rounds, and contacts these.

I use the hard aspects, which are those divided by 8. That is the conjunction, opposition, square, for these are the primary hard aspects. The secondary ones are the semi-square and the sesquiquadrate.

Ignore the sextiles and trines. They do not point to events or actions.

[comfort80]

housemouse- what is Caylees chart implying around the 4/5th?

[housemouse]

housemouse- what is Caylees chart implying around the 4/5th?

I didn't use Caylee's chart for the 4th and 5th. I used Casey's and Cindy's.

But, you have a good idea there. I am going to go see what (if anything) shows up in Caylee's. Her chart is harder because of the lack of a verified birth time. I am guessing that whatever happened to her needs her ascendant, midheaven, and moon. This is because she is so young, unfortunately.

Maybe a more experienced astrologer than I am could do better. I know my limits, though, and won't go beyond "just the facts at hand".

[my2cents]

I didn't use Caylee's chart for the 4th and 5th. I used Casey's and Cindy's.

But, you have a good idea there. I am going to go see what (if anything) shows up in Caylee's. Her chart is harder because of the lack of a verified birth time. I am guessing that whatever happened to her needs her ascendant, midheaven, and moon. This is because she is so young, unfortunately.

Maybe a more experienced astrologer than I am could do better. I know my limits, though, and won't go beyond "just the facts at hand".

Just a thought--

Doesn't the birth announcement in the newspaper usually list a weight, time, date, etc?

[housemouse]

Ok, looking at the transits to Caylee's chart for the next week or so.

Mercury makes a contact, by transit, to her Sun on August 3rd. The Moon, by transit, opposes Caylee's natal Uranus a bit earlier that same day. Also, Saturn (delay), by transit is opposing transiting Uranus (surprise!) right within conjunction to the Tr. Moon.

My wild speculation? Maybe the LE gets some info back then, or gets some surprising information that helps tie together the pieces?

But, we may not hear bout it until the 4th or 5th?

Who knows. All we can do is pray, watch, and then analyze after the fact. That truly is when we learn the most from astrology. With apologies to all those wannabe prophets out there. I speculate, then watch to see what happens, and what we can learn from it all.

[OneLostGrl]

housemouse-

How cool- thank you for sharing your gift with us and taking to time to explain it to us in a way we could easily understand!

[Harry]

Hi HouseMouse,
I've always gone to astrodienst,com for a little insight. I do agree that moon and planets and gravity might play a part in how we react, i.e. our general response to situations which result in situations as opposed to fate a la what is in our future.

Totally interesting and tomorow when I am not so sleepy I will take a better look. Thanks!

[emanon7]

Thank you so very much for posting this information. I did a quick natal on Caylee and agree that it is impossible to determine the 8th house without the birth time. I did see the possibility for trouble on the 18th moreso than any other day. Hopefully someone here can find out a birth time.

[curiositycat]

You know, I have really gone over and over that in my head. If she said it to cover herself, he may have just assumed that she was there and told LE that. If My hubby is on the phone with me and he puts the phone down and says something to his daughter, I just assume she is there. If I was asked later, I may say "Yes I heard her" just simply because later I couldn't remember hearing her but I assumed she was there. He may just be mistaken and said that he heard her? Or he could have just been in denial not believing that she could have done something like this and covered for her hoping that Caylee would show up. I dunno. This case is stranger than fiction. Nothing makes sense anymore.
Oh, you got that right. This is the weirdest case and most drama filled since the Jon Benet Ramsey case. IMHO. At least, not that it mattered in the long run, we had a body then.:furious:

[curiositycat]

You are on the right track, Mystery.

Don't worry about the "what", for that is way too complicated. And, if you read the Bible's instruction about astrology, we are not to guess at what.

But, we are able to understand the "when", and to see how God uses the celestial clock to teach us about the wonders of His plan.

Most get discouraged when studying astrology because they are too much into pinning down the "what". All we need to do is to take a good close look at the "when", and then use that for our growth and understanding.

He is in charge, and we can only "see through a glass, darkly".

I can see the set-up, by the outer planets, as these aspect sensitive points in the natal charts of Cindy, Casey, and Caylee. All I am doing now is watching the moon as it makes the monthly rounds, and contacts these.

I use the hard aspects, which are those divided by 8. That is the conjunction, opposition, square, for these are the primary hard aspects. The secondary ones are the semi-square and the sesquiquadrate.

Ignore the sextiles and trines. They do not point to events or actions.
You know this is so true. I struggled for years with the subject of Astrology, as a Christian, because I went to a church that thought it was not to be used as it's demonic.
I prayed about it and after some time I had my answer. How did the wise men find Jesus? Through signs in the skies. They followed a STAR. If we concentrate on "when" It is a fascinating study.
What is happening in the sky these next two week is fascinating from a biblical standpoint also.:)

[MysteryAddict]

Hi housemouse,

Thank you for your wisdom in explaining how we as Christians should look at the study of
Astrology, not concentrating on the "what", but only on the "when".

I, like curiousitycat have had the interest, but had set it aside because of guilt of conflict with my Christian religion.

Any time my attention has been called back to look at it though, as now with your pointing out aspects in these charts, I clearly see there is truth to be found by those who can see through that dark glass a little more clearly than most of us. LOL

So many planets making so many aspects, I think you have a talent for zeroing in on what is important!

And I look forward to your astute findings of transits tipping off events past and future.

[my2cents]

I think there are alot of people that are reading this and have some sort of hesitation in listening to what housemouse has to say.

I recall when I was young, I laughed at Dione Warwick for plugging the "Psychic Network."

But, since then, psychics are used in cases like this. Why shouldn't astrology be taken seriously? I think we are all looking for SOMETHING that will lead us to an end in this case. I think some are selling themselves short by not asking questions and exploring this aspect. It's OBVIOUS, none of us have the answers!

We all have to question our beliefs, but we should be open minded about some things. This is not "foreseeing the future", it is about looking at certain aspects of the solar system (think about ancient times, the English and Scottish did this alot, hence, Stonehenge). It is what is "possible" during those days, based on the solar system, which has been studied for thousands of years.

To everyone that has responded, thank you for speaking up! I, for one, would like to hear more of what housemouse has to say too. It's ok to ask questions, she knows we don't understand! But, we should not blow her hard work off just because it doesn't fit perfectly with our religious beliefs.

[housemouse]

Thunderstorms here, major ones.

Four utility poles down, probably straight line winds, because one was just snapped in half. The power went off about 5 am this morning, and just has been restored. Those brave linemen worked through another storm to get the power back up, which is a true blessing, because my husband is handicapped by Parkinson's, and without the power to his lift chair, I am his muscles!

Anyway, the power is back on, hooray! We are no longer cut off from the rest of the world. The jugs of water stored came in very handy to flush the toilets, etc...

More later...

[housemouse]

For us Christians, a very careful reading of the bible will tell us what are proper uses of astrology, and what are improper.

Right off the top of my head, check Genesis and Ecclesiastes. From my reading, we are told that God is in charge of the signs and the planets, the seasons, etc.

The Bible states that God made the heavenly bodies to show us "signs" of his intentions. These signs can be read by anyone who knows how to interpret them. Astrology is about interpreting these signs in the motions of the sun, moon, planets, and stars.

"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25

"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)

"And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the Earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 21:25-27)

"The HEAVENS declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day after day utters his speech and night after night shows his knowledge. There is no tongue or language where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the Earth and their words to the ends of the world. In them (the heavens) he has set a tabernacle for the sun." (Psalm 19:1-4)

"Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth (the zodiac) in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? (an astrological constellation)" (Job 38:32)


"There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace." (Eccl. 3:1-8)

But, just as there is support for astrology in the Bible, there are very severe cautions about the improper use of astrology. We are not to seek answers about the meaning of life from any other source but God. The answers to our most vexing problems are not in the stars, but in His Word.

So, we are not to worship the Sun. Moon, and planets., We are not to take it upon ourselves to be soothsayers, to be mediums, or to be false prophets, using the Divine Gifts to make money, fooling the weak and gullible, pretending a wisdom not given to us. It so very simple.

God gave us the signs, the language, and the rules. Wisdom is understanding that time troubles us all, and we can learn from our troubles, just as Job learned.

Please, any of you who read my posts, know that I believe that it is wise to study astrology, but not for the purpose of trying to predict the future. That, in my opinion, is a mistake (sin).

To understand the signs of the times, and then to look to the Bible for wisdom on how to bring forth the best use of the energies signified, that is the beginning of wisdom. Astrologers who charge for their services, now that computers can instantly generate charts, should be ashamed.

[housemouse]

For those who are watching the dates I have posted, here is another interesting one. Transiting Mars will oppose her natal Mercury on August 7th. At the same time, Tr Mars is in opposition to Tr Uranus, which is within one degree of Casey's natal Mercury.

Tr Pluto has "retrograded" back to an almost exact square to Casey's natal Sun.

So, I am wondering if this would be a good time for LE to put some very tough questions to "mommy dearest"?

At any rate, I will be carefully watching what goes on this coming week. I am not sure about this, for nothing is cast in concrete astrologically. These are just some of the probable times to keep a close eye on what, if anything happens.

Now a question for anyone catching this post. What day is it that they have to let Casey out of jail? I want to check the transits to her natal chart for that day.....

[my2cents]

For those who are watching the dates I have posted, here is another interesting one. Transiting Mars will oppose her natal Mercury on August 7th. At the same time, Tr Mars is in opposition to Tr Uranus, which is within one degree of Casey's natal Mercury.

Tr Pluto has "retrograded" back to an almost exact square to Casey's natal Sun.

So, I am wondering if this would be a good time for LE to put some very tough questions to "mommy dearest"?

At any rate, I will be carefully watching what goes on this coming week. I am not sure about this, for nothing is cast in concrete astrologically. These are just some of the probable times to keep a close eye on what, if anything happens.

Now a question for anyone catching this post. What day is it that they have to let Casey out of jail? I want to check the transits to her natal chart for that day.....

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7112259&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

says Aug. 17 here.

[housemouse]

Thanks, my2cents. Will check the chart right now...

[housemouse]

Here is the chart of Casey's possible release date. My comments below it

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/TransitsofAug172008.jpg

OK, now the most interesting contact between the transiting planets and Casey's natal chart is the position of the Moon passing over her natal Jupiter at 6 Pisces.

Sharp eyes who understand the astrological icons will notice that she has Jupiter and Saturn(at 9 Sagittarius) in a square aspect in her natal chart.

On the 17th of August, Saturn is at 9 Virgo, opposing her Jupiter with a 3 degree orb, but exactly squaring her natal Saturn. The moon is quickly moving past this configuration.

Mars has moved to directly oppose Casey's natal Sun.

I am going to have to think about this a bit longer, for Moon over Jupiter seems a bit problematic, unless it signifies her hopes for release. Moon opposition Saturn by transit, setting up a square with her natal Saturn seems to suggest she will be disappointed and confined.

Thinking here......

maybe she will be "sprung" from her present location, and moved to another jail or cell? Not sure, really.

I notice another detail that escaped me earlier. Will post it in the next reply.

[housemouse]

What I noticed... the Moon will be full on August 16th, late in the afternoon.

Some astrologers believe that the full moon "shows light on the situation at hand", or provides a "break". I haven't done enough research to confirm this, but put it out there for discussion.

Mars will be squaring Pluto at this full Moon, and it does link to Casey's natal Sun at 28 Pisces, by a square and an opposition...

Interesting, isn't it?

[housemouse]

Yes, the specific questions do help, Medea.

I do not have a crystal ball, and I am not psychic. I use the transits to Casey's chart to see when she might have taken some kind of action that would be consistent with harm to Caylee.

One very possible timeframe is from very late at night on June 17th, through mid-afternoon on June 18th.

Casey is prone to lying, deception, exaggeration, and confabulation.

She is also excitable, argumentative, stubborn, craves excitement, and apt to have an explosive temper. She will act in haste without thinking through the consequences. These tendencies of hers were very active during the entire time frame of Caylee's disappearance.

Caylee's chart for the 17th and 18th isn't as clear as Casey's. Remember, we do not have her time of birth, and this would be very important in pinning down the most probable time for her to be harmed. There is one indication of trouble shown on the 17th/18th.

Looking at the 24th, I think it is more likely that Casey was pulling a fast one over the phone with her exBF, to make him believe that Caylee was climbing on the table. Just a little "drama" she was putting on to confuse everyone.

Now, remember. I could be very wrong, so do not take any of this as "fact". But, if I were LE, I would be demanding that Casey give the truth about where she was the night of the 17th, and into the 18th. I would want her to give names of who she was with, who might verify her story, etc...

Trying to pin down her location, and an alibi for this time might be very interesting.


Well, one of my suspicions was confirmed. See this link (scroll down a bit)

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

[donnam]

Thanks Housemouse for all your work. I used to do charts myself and I know how time consuming and exhausting reading them can be. I understand everything you are saying.
Also, I know it is important for an accurate reading to have the exact time, date and place (longitude and latitude)of birth.
Thanks again for all your hard work.

[housemouse]

I am wondering if anything happened today behind the scenes? The transits sure were right for it...

Mars will be on the Midheaven between 3:45 and 4PM, and Uranus is on the Nadir (bottom point), but the moon has passed Mars. It will be squaring Pluto later on this evening, about 7:45 PM.

I will be keeping my ears glued to the TV behind me, and watching the forum, to see if we hear anything.

[websurfer]

I am wondering if anything happened today behind the scenes? The transits sure were right for it...

Mars will be on the Midheaven between 3:45 and 4PM, and Uranus is on the Nadir (bottom point), but the moon has passed Mars. It will be squaring Pluto later on this evening, about 7:45 PM.

I will be keeping my ears glued to the TV behind me, and watching the forum, to see if we hear anything.


Hope we get some good news tonight if this is how it looks to you today..

[housemouse]

For whatever it is worth, I have been following the main threads, and understand that the Anthonys met with LE this morning.

There is are some comments there regarding LE saying that they have the forensic evidence, but are not going to release it yet. I am guessing this was around lunchtime, but have been away from the keyboard doing errands.

Now, I read that LE is offering Casey some sort of immunity? Back to the main board to catch up with the latest info.

Remember, events can happen without our hearing about them via the cable channels!

[housemouse]

Is my guess about the time today pretty good?

http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

[my2cents]

For whatever it is worth, I have been following the main threads, and understand that the Anthonys met with LE this morning.

There is are some comments there regarding LE saying that they have the forensic evidence, but are not going to release it yet. I am guessing this was around lunchtime, but have been away from the keyboard doing errands.

Now, I read that LE is offering Casey some sort of immunity? Back to the main board to catch up with the latest info.

Remember, events can happen without our hearing about them via the cable channels!

Housemouse--

Can you provide a link for the immunity statement? I have not heard that, but I do want to read it. TIA

[housemouse]

I will have to go hunt for it, but check the link above. I think it is mentioned there.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

[my2cents]

I will have to go hunt for it, but check the link above. I think it is mentioned there.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

Thanks!

[housemouse]

Just for general information, friends. Mars is moving into opposition to Uranus in the next few days. Expect lots of surprising news and events popping up all over the place.

And, the planets in Leo opposing Neptune? This will be an interesting month!!

[housemouse]

I am continuing to watch the transits to Casey's chart. I think the next interesting date to watch will be around the weekend of August 16th/17th. This is when Mars will square Casey's Pluto.

Between now and then, the Moon will transit her Uranus and Mars, then square her Sun on August 11th and 12th.

These look to be the next dates to watch, to see what develops. If there is anything that comes up between now and then, I will do a chart to see what it might tell us.

[miss lisa]

I am continuing to watch the transits to Casey's chart. I think the next interesting date to watch will be around the weekend of August 16th/17th. This is when Mars will square Casey's Pluto.

Between now and then, the Moon will transit her Uranus and Mars, then square her Sun on August 11th and 12th.

These look to be the next dates to watch, to see what develops. If there is anything that comes up between now and then, I will do a chart to see what it might tell us.

housemouse, how has finding Caylee actual birthtime helped you so far??? Interested in seeing your new chart for her!

[housemouse]

I have it worked up, but am too tired to think it all through tonight.

I am tired, and might leap to conclusions too quickly. But, if the 7:14 AM birth time is correct, Caylee has Pisces on her 8th house cusp. Neptune rules the 8th therefore, and Neptune is directly opposite her Sun, from late in the 6th to late in the 12th.

This points to drugs or drowning, but smothering might not be out of the question.

The harsh stuff above, we must keep in mind that Neptune could also indicate that we will never know, that it will always be confusion and lies.

But, let me take a fresh look at it in the morning, when I am more alert.

[Choo_Choo]

housemouse, I found this on another site:

Where is Caylee Anthony? Do you believe Caylee is alive? These are the questions that persist.

I hate the thought that we might have to assume Caylee dead, but if I take the description offered by the main significator to Caylee, Venus 2*59′ Leo in the fourth house, it very well may be so.

The fourth house does rule ‘the grave’ so assuming death is the status of this missing child then ultimately where we find the ruler is where we will find the child. I think I speak for many concerned citizens and Americans when I say it’s time we find Caylee and bring her home.

The person is where you find the ruler, by house and sign combined. The basic distance from home is calculated by taking the planet that rules Caylee, here Venus, and then multiplying it by the difference in degree between it (Venus) and the Moon.

Caylee Anthony is ruled by Venus. Venus is in the fourth house. The fourth house placement says Caylee is close to the place she and others would call her home. In the chart Venus is placed at 2*59′ Leo or we might say 3 degrees of Leo respectively. Venus is in an angular house and in North latitude, denoting 1 mile as her basic distance, to be multiplied by the difference between her degree (3) and the Moon’s (18), which indicates 1 x 15 or a real distance of 15 miles from home. The direction of Caylee’s location by house indicates North. The direction of Caylee’s location by sign indicates East by North direction.

Caylee Anthony should be found in a East by North direction and within but no further than 15 miles of the place she calls home.

For places again we must look at the sign her ruler is in.

Venus in Leo is descriptive of places having to do with amusement and recreation. When I’ve tuned into the chart for Caylee’s possible location (Venus fourth house in the sign of Leo) it describes her as being close to home and near a place that is on the one hand private and peaceful but it is also a place having to do with fun, sports and theater (drama). From the sign of Leo I also get the feeling of a playground, a formal dance hall and something to do with a castle (???) - understand when I say ‘castle’ I don’t believe the castle is linked to that which we might find or see at Disney’s Magic Kingdom or in fairytales, in fact, in my mind it may not have anything to do with a physical structure at all but rather it may be a place, a road or a name.

Venus in Leo is under the rulership of the Sun. Here the Sun is in the sign of Cancer and placed along with Venus in the fourth house. The Sun in Cancer provides additional clues. It describes lakes, rivers and brooks.

When all descriptions and associations are put together and filtered thru a Google maps search there is one place that clearly comes out as the most likely location of which we might possibly find the grave of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony …

Secret Lake Park in Casselberry, Florida.

Posted by Valerie on Aug 4, 2008 5:42 PM

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/07/29/where-is-caylee-marie-anthony-part-ii/comment-page-28/#comments

(I'm looking at a map, there's also the city of Pine Castle, 4.5 miles south of Orlando)

[housemouse]

This isn't a technique I use for chart analysis, Choo Choo.

I will be very interested in seeing how well it works, however.

My method looks at the most personal points, the ascendant axis and the midheaven axis, and the hard aspects to the "personal" planets.

Caylee has Leo rising, if the birth time I spotted on the wall of her bedroom is correct. Her 8th house has Pisces (water) on the cusp (edge), and it's ruler, Neptune (water) is directly opposing her Sun in Leo.

Her 4th house (called the descendant) has Scorpio (water) on the cusp, and the house ruler is Pluto (the planet associated with Scorpio, and the ruler of the 8th house.

I mull all this over, and conclude that something associated with Neptune (drugs/drowning/asphyxiation/poison/) most likely were involved in her "loss", whatever the reason.

Kidnapping is generally more related to Pluto, but some think there is a link with Neptune, so that is still on the table of possibilities.

My point of view is that properly practiced, Astrology is too complicated for humans to comprehend. The movements of the planets in the solar system belong to God, and to assume we can know everything from his handiwork is a major categorical mistake. But, not all agree with me, of course.

[Choo_Choo]

Thanks, housemouse, you make sense! :)

[housemouse]

OK, right now Mercury is opposing Neptune, almost exactly. The moon is coming up to sextile Mercury and trine Neptune. The moon is squaring Jupiter also.

Mars is exactly opposing Uranus, and this relates to this crime. There is more, but I need to listen to Fox.

These are the major aspects in effect when CSI shows up at the Anthony home on Wednesday, August 6th, at 3:07 PM.

I am hoping that LE gets some information first of all, but I am also hoping we hear some new information. Time!

[housemouse]

I am still studying the chart for the CSI visit, and I see some midpoints being triggered that give me hope they will find something...

The trouble with being so emotionally involved in this case is that I could be "wishcasting". Sometimes I wish I has a good buddy who used the Ebertin techniques to share with.

I will post these midpoints that are active right now later, and why they give me hope..

[housemouse]

Watching the transits, it is just about the right time for them to have found something, if they are going to.

The moon is in the best spot to show something, (at 22 Libra 16, sextile Mercury, trine Neptune, inconjunct Uranus) if there is anything to show. It is now 4:25 PM on Wed. Aug 6th.

[websurfer]

Just for general information, friends. Mars is moving into opposition to Uranus in the next few days. Expect lots of surprising news and events popping up all over the place.

And, the planets in Leo opposing Neptune? This will be an interesting month!!


She may have MPD too....

[curiositycat]

housemouse, I found this on another site:

Where is Caylee Anthony? Do you believe Caylee is alive? These are the questions that persist.

I hate the thought that we might have to assume Caylee dead, but if I take the description offered by the main significator to Caylee, Venus 2*59′ Leo in the fourth house, it very well may be so.

The fourth house does rule ‘the grave’ so assuming death is the status of this missing child then ultimately where we find the ruler is where we will find the child. I think I speak for many concerned citizens and Americans when I say it’s time we find Caylee and bring her home.

The person is where you find the ruler, by house and sign combined. The basic distance from home is calculated by taking the planet that rules Caylee, here Venus, and then multiplying it by the difference in degree between it (Venus) and the Moon.

Caylee Anthony is ruled by Venus. Venus is in the fourth house. The fourth house placement says Caylee is close to the place she and others would call her home. In the chart Venus is placed at 2*59′ Leo or we might say 3 degrees of Leo respectively. Venus is in an angular house and in North latitude, denoting 1 mile as her basic distance, to be multiplied by the difference between her degree (3) and the Moon’s (18), which indicates 1 x 15 or a real distance of 15 miles from home. The direction of Caylee’s location by house indicates North. The direction of Caylee’s location by sign indicates East by North direction.

Caylee Anthony should be found in a East by North direction and within but no further than 15 miles of the place she calls home.

For places again we must look at the sign her ruler is in.

Venus in Leo is descriptive of places having to do with amusement and recreation. When I’ve tuned into the chart for Caylee’s possible location (Venus fourth house in the sign of Leo) it describes her as being close to home and near a place that is on the one hand private and peaceful but it is also a place having to do with fun, sports and theater (drama). From the sign of Leo I also get the feeling of a playground, a formal dance hall and something to do with a castle (???) - understand when I say ‘castle’ I don’t believe the castle is linked to that which we might find or see at Disney’s Magic Kingdom or in fairytales, in fact, in my mind it may not have anything to do with a physical structure at all but rather it may be a place, a road or a name.

Venus in Leo is under the rulership of the Sun. Here the Sun is in the sign of Cancer and placed along with Venus in the fourth house. The Sun in Cancer provides additional clues. It describes lakes, rivers and brooks.

When all descriptions and associations are put together and filtered thru a Google maps search there is one place that clearly comes out as the most likely location of which we might possibly find the grave of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony …

Secret Lake Park in Casselberry, Florida.

Posted by Valerie on Aug 4, 2008 5:42 PM

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/07/29/where-is-caylee-marie-anthony-part-ii/comment-page-28/#comments

(I'm looking at a map, there's also the city of Pine Castle, 4.5 miles south of Orlando)
This would correspond well with the dream I posted yesterday that led me to work with Patty G. in thinking that she may be at or around 1168 Bella Vida drive.
On doing further investigation I saw that there is also a compound for vacationers where you rent houses. It is close to Universal and Disney World. It is also called Bella Vida. The tip has been turned into LE. Hopefully we will hear something soon.

[housemouse]

Too worn out to post anything of serious value. Maybe later.

I am waiting for some confirmation of my prior work. It is possible that they found something today, but it is also possible that they were just doing "due diligence".

Time will tell.

That said, I am not sure any of my postings are of much interest except to a few. I do not want to clog up the server in that case, so will not post that much, unless something really important comes along.

Working up all these charts is pretty tiring.

[Sparky]

housemouse,

I just wanted to say Thank you for all your hard work. It's very interesting! Thanks again.

[miss lisa]

Too worn out to post anything of serious value. Maybe later.

I am waiting for some confirmation of my prior work. It is possible that they found something today, but it is also possible that they were just doing "due diligence".

Time will tell.

That said, I am not sure any of my postings are of much interest except to a few. I do not want to clog up the server in that case, so will not post that much, unless something really important comes along.

Working up all these charts is pretty tiring.

Please keep posting! I enjoy reading what you have to say and how the charts correspond to the events.

[housemouse]

I seem to be pretty close on the 17th/18th timeline.

[MomOfECS]

This is all very fascinating Thank You for sharing it.

[housemouse]

This is the chart for the beginning of Greta's show tonight.


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/TransitsofAug62008.jpg

[housemouse]

Bigger did work! Much easier to see the patterns.

The Yod pattern is formed by Uranus over on the left hand side, at the ascendant, with an inconjunct to the Moon (in the 7th house) and Mercury (in the 6th house).

The Moon and Mercury are in sextile, and the ascendant/descendant axis is also involved, along with Uranus at the opposite midpoint of the sextile.

A Yod is sometimes called "The finger of God". This is the first time I have even seen it act so clearly!

[housemouse]

Here is one astrologer's thoughts on the Yod formation. There is also one between the 16th and the 18th, but between different planets.

http://www.panix.com/~gsk/yod2.html

[Ladybass0711]

She may have MPD too....

Definitly does not have MPD. I am diagnosed with MPD, and it definitly does not match Casey's actions! MPD is not a mental disorder, it is rather a coping mechanism that a child creates if they are going through a traumatic event in there lives, like ongoing abuse, or the like. It can not be cured with meds, it takes intensive therapy.

And since we have no ongoing proof that Casey was abused, or lived through a traumatic event, we can pretty much rule this diagnosis out.

[Anais]

Housemouse, thank you so very much for all of your hard work and also for sharing all with us! I am absolutely fascinated by your interpretations, charts and all! Please keep posting if you can.

Thanks again! :)

[DeltaDawn]

HouseMouse..I have really been intrigued by your work.

Please keep posting it..I think it is pointing to very specific times and events...very interesting to me.

[MysteryAddict]

HouseMouse..

Thanks so much for your hard work on the charts. I was so glad to see the new larger
chart because I couldn't read the smaller ones and sadly I am without astrology software
at this time. I had borrowed "solar fire" from a friend, then my computer died and my
software along with it.

Now that you have Caylee's birth time could you print a large chart so that I can copy it?

(Just a slow Mercury in Taurus here trying to follow along) LOL

[websurfer]

Definitly does not have MPD. I am diagnosed with MPD, and it definitly does not match Casey's actions! MPD is not a mental disorder, it is rather a coping mechanism that a child creates if they are going through a traumatic event in there lives, like ongoing abuse, or the like. It can not be cured with meds, it takes intensive therapy.

And since we have no ongoing proof that Casey was abused, or lived through a traumatic event, we can pretty much rule this diagnosis out.


She could have had some trauma ?

[housemouse]

HouseMouse..

Thanks so much for your hard work on the charts. I was so glad to see the new larger
chart because I couldn't read the smaller ones and sadly I am without astrology software
at this time. I had borrowed "solar fire" from a friend, then my computer died and my
software along with it.

Now that you have Caylee's birth time could you print a large chart so that I can copy it?

(Just a slow Mercury in Taurus here trying to follow along) LOL

I will be happy to post the bigger chart. And, if you want any other charts posted, I will be happy to do that as well.

[housemouse]

Here is Casey Anthony's natal chart, set for noon, because I do not have an birth time for her. So, pay no attention to the asc/desc, mc/ic, as they are not accurate.

Now, the moon very well might be within orb of an opposition to Neptune, and, it would make sense to me. But, we do not know the exact degree of her natal Moon.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/CaseyAnthony-1.jpg

[housemouse]

Perhaps a "legend" would be helpful to those of you who are not familiar with the "shorthand symbols" astrologers use.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/Legend.jpg

[housemouse]

Here is Caylee Anthony's updated natal chart. I saw a birth record on the wall of the bedroom in the Anthony house. It had this time on it. Not 100% sure it is accurate, but looks pretty good.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/Caylee.jpg

[MysteryAddict]

Housemouse,

Thanks so much for these new larger charts. They are beautiful!
I do wish I had more time to spend with them now but we had a
death in the family, viewing tonight and funeral tomorrow.
Just know that I will be continuing to check in here and following
along with your thoughts on the charts.

[GarAndTeed]

Hi Housemouse,
I'd like to add my sincere thanks to you for all your time-consuming astrology work. I've been fascinated w/ the subject since I was a child; I do charts myself (only to the point before the math starts, which I know isn't enough to get a full & accurate interpretation)...what I'm trying to convey is I know how much energy you're putting into this, and I truly appreciate it. Please know this thread means a lot!
G&Td

[housemouse]

I deleted the smaller charts from photobucket, not realizing that this would delete them from the earlier posts.

Sorry about that. If anyone wants them reposted, I would be happy to do so. I still have them saved on my laptop.

I am working away trying to decipher the possible date for further charges to be made, but there is more than one possibility.

Saturn, probably, is the planet that would be involved, either by transit to a significant point in the Casey's natal chart, or by a transit to Casey's natal Saturn. There would probably also be other transits active at the same time.

If inspiration strikes, I will post my best guesses.

[housemouse]

Hi Housemouse,
I'd like to add my sincere thanks to you for all your time-consuming astrology work. I've been fascinated w/ the subject since I was a child; I do charts myself (only to the point before the math starts, which I know isn't enough to get a full & accurate interpretation)...what I'm trying to convey is I know how much energy you're putting into this, and I truly appreciate it. Please know this thread means a lot!
G&Td

Well, casting the charts isn't all that difficult, as I use computer software. All astrologers doing serious research do these days. The hard part is managing to integrate everything, and understand the timing.

Also, some charts are a lot clearer than others, and easier to interpret. Casey's is pretty obvious.

[clayangel]

Housemouse Thanks so much for posting these charts. My mother used to work charts by hand with books in the 70's It was all so very interesting. I never learned any of it sad to say. She was very well versed, I remember her charts looking very much like yours.
You say there are computer programs now! Oh my I could just see her doing those kinds of charts on the computer of crime victims if she were alive today. Oh she would have so been into that!
Anyway I just wanted to let you know I really appreciate what you are doing and I sorta feel a kinship to you. Keep 'em coming I'll be reading for sure.

[housemouse]

I started in the 70s too, and used to do them all by hand. The math was challenging!

One of the wonderful advantages of computer charts is that so much time is saved, but one of the disadvantages is that people can get all wrapped up in arcane and esoteric techniques. Most of these are impossible to test, and very subjective.

I prefer to stick to the time tested basics.

[drumstick]

Here is Caylee Anthony's updated natal chart. I saw a birth record on the wall of the bedroom in the Anthony house. It had this time on it. Not 100% sure it is accurate, but looks pretty good.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/Caylee.jpg

housemouse, hi!

just curious.... for those of us who are completely ignorant about this subject and what this chart says, maybe you could give us a short synopsis of what you believe it says and means to you?

thanks~

[shotzie]

Thank You HOusemouse..I have always believed in Charts, having some done for me..Keep up the great work:D

[housemouse]

Will be happy to, drumstick. I have to run some errands, and will be back later on this afternoon.

In the meantime, notice the Sun and Mercury opposing Neptune.

Mercury and Saturn are squaring Mars, while Venus is also squaring Pluto, and tied into the Mars configuration by an inconjunct.

These aspects are consistent with our worst fears for little Caylee.

But, more after I get my chores completed. I have to do these while my husband is napping, because I am nervous about his falling when I am gone. He has Parkinson's, and a fall last April resulted in a broken hip.

[miss lisa]

Hey house,

Would love to know what your charts say about the possiblity of Casey getting her bond lowered on this second try of hers....

[housemouse]

I am going to have a hard time with this. And, keep in mind that I am looking at the chart through the lens of "what happened to Caylee?"

Sun and Mercury opposing Neptune. Mercury inconjunct Uranus

Reinforces the Neptune issues.

drugs/drowning/gas/deception/lies/asphxiation
the above also reflects the mystery of her unknown father, and the possible lying about the same. Also unusual sudden events


Mercury and Saturn squaring Mars while Venus and Pluto both sesquiquadrate Mars, Venus squares Pluto. Moon inconjunct Mars

This is a horrible set of aspects.

suffering, separation caused by disputes, arguments, by force.
brutal and coarse expression of feeling, hastiness, premature action.

Now, the above words come straight from Ebertin's Combination of Stellar Inluences.

These aspects are consistent with something awful happening to little Caylee, as well as all the lying and deception about it. I can't be sure, because of Neptune and all the "water" shown by the 4th house and 8th house whether Caylee will ever be found. I am also not sure that we will ever get the total truth about what happened.

I wish I could find a ray of light, or hope. I will have to keep looking.

I could say more about which planet rules what, but am too depressed by it all.

Adding this: With Scorpio on the fourth house, and Pluto, the ruler in the fourth, there is a possibility that Caylee's little body was placed in a dumpster somewhere. The reason I say that is that Mars, Saturn, and Pluto rule garbage and garbage collection. If this is the case, and I do not know that it is... (just my specualtion)... Cayleee's body may never be found, going back to Neptune.

[housemouse]

Hey house,

Would love to know what your charts say about the possiblity of Casey getting her bond lowered on this second try of hers....

Do we know a date yet? As soon as we find it, will do a chart and see.

I would look to Jupiter and Saturn, either by transit, or to these in the natal chart. Saturn shows up in arrests/incarceration. Jupiter rules the courts.

[distracted]

I find all of this very fascinating. Thank you for sharing it.

I do have a question: Does the chart indicate a day or a general time frame when Sun and Mercury opposing Neptune. Mercury inconjunct Uranus; in other words, when something might have happened to Caylee?

[housemouse]

The chart above for Caylee is her natal chart. It shows the position of the planets, the "lights" (Sun and Moon", and the personal points (Ascendant and Midheaven) at the moment she was born.

These can be interpreted in any number of ways. I looked at them to see the potential for her coming to harm, and to pinpoint what kinds of influences might cause that.

The timing of anything happening to Caylee, given that she is so young, and all I have for a birth time is a quick view of a birth record framed on the wall of her bedroom, makes it all just a bit speculative.

I really got more information from her mother's chart for the time period starting very late at night on the 17th, through mid afternoon on the 18th. Lots of folks on general are focused on the 16th, which isn't impossible, because Uranus aspects frequently happen slightly ahead of time. But, I will wait until and if there is ever any confirmation of what happened to Caylee and when it happened.

[drumstick]

Will be happy to, drumstick. I have to run some errands, and will be back later on this afternoon.

In the meantime, notice the Sun and Mercury opposing Neptune.

Mercury and Saturn are squaring Mars, while Venus is also squaring Pluto, and tied into the Mars configuration by an inconjunct.

These aspects are consistent with our worst fears for little Caylee.

But, more after I get my chores completed. I have to do these while my husband is napping, because I am nervous about his falling when I am gone. He has Parkinson's, and a fall last April resulted in a broken hip.

Thank you very much for your follow up and I have to say I'm very curious about this subject.

Hope all is well for you and your husband too.

thanks again~ drumstick

[distracted]

Thank you for answering!

[housemouse]

One date I see coming up that looks interesting...

Around August the 14th, early am, eastern time. Not sure about it, though. TWT

[MysteryAddict]

Hi housemouse,
Do you have any birth info on Cindy or George? I would be so interested to know if you
would see any involvement by these two in the cover-up of the crime.
I just can't trust these two . They both have terrible tempers, but those eyes of George really are scary aren't they?

[housemouse]

I have Cindy's birthdate, but no time and no confirmed location.

Nothing on George except the month that someone posted earlier in the thread.

[housemouse]

The "noon" chart for the date given for Cindy. I haven't done much with it, because I am very unsure of it's accuracy. Not much point unless a birth date, time, and place is verified by something other than a post on a forum, unfortunately.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/CindyAnthony-1.jpg

[MysteryAddict]

Thanks for Cindy's solar chart.

Those Gemini's do have the gift of gab don't they?

Just from glancing at your charts I noticed Cindy's Mars is conjunct
Casey's Sun @28 Pisces and transiting Pluto is squaring from 28 Sag.
That looks powerful.

I'll leave it to you to interpret.

[housemouse]

MysteryAddict...

The interaction between Cindy and Casey is difficult, isn't it?

Also notice Cindy's Saturn on Casey's Mars, the square between their Sun mars conjunction and the Mars Saturn conjunction, with Casey's Mercury also in square to Cindy's Mars.

Astrolgers who are "into karmic connections" would see them all over the place here. I tend toward the practical, and avoid the metaphysical/ psyhchological applications. Just the facts are hard enough for me.

Remember, in doing these charts, I am focusing on the timing of whatever happened to Caylee. I will put up a "tri-wheel" chart for those who want to scrutinize the transits to both Cindy and Casey.

[housemouse]

Here it is. The inside chart is Cindy's, the middle chart is Casey's, and the outer chart is June 18th, arbitrarily set for 1:30 AM.

Anyone want to see a "quad wheel" with Caylee's included? Even if you do not understand astrology, it is interesting to see how all the planets are involved, just by looking.

Notice the involvement of Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus....

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/Tri-WheelAmTraditional.jpg

[housemouse]

I mentioned earlier in the thread that the full moon time-frame in August looked interesting. So, I thought I would put up the chart for those who might be interested to see what might develop around that time. (If anything?)

Here it is, and comments will be in the next post.



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/TransitsofAug162008.jpg

[housemouse]

Those of you who have been struggling to figure out how this whole "chart" thing works as a timing device might be interested to look at the full moon chart above.

Look at the positions of Mars at 28 Virgo, and see that it squares Pluto at 28 Sagittarius at the full Moon on the 16th of August.

If you remember, Casey's Sun is at 28 Pisces.

So, at the full moon, tr Mars is opposing Casey's natal Sun, and tr Pluto is squaring Casey's natal Sun.

The full Moon is conjuncting Neptune, which is also in opposition to the Sun... and, notice the inconjunct to Uranus at 21 Pisces from the Sun? Remember Casey's Mercury at 23 Pisces, and how involved Uranus was at the time of Caylee's disappearance?

Also, Saturn at 9 Virgo in the full moon chart is almost exactly squaring Casey's natal Saturn at 9 Sagittarius.

There is so much I could say about all this. But, your eyes would glaze over with all the jargon, and I hate it when astrologers do that, even to me. I just want them to get to the point, and tell me in plain English without all the babble.

My summary is this. Something interesting will happen around this time-frame. (It is possible that Casey will be charged.)

Again, my beliefs are against "predicting". I am interesting in timing, however, and will be paying attention to what happens around the full moon, because of the above transits.

Sometimes, I do not even like to post this kind of info.

I truly want the police to take their time, assemble their evidence, and charge whoever is responsible for Caylee's disappearance when they are sure they can successfully prosecute whoever is responsible.

[housemouse]

I just checked, and there is a partial eclipse with the full moon on the 16th. I am not very good at eclipses, so wonder what, if anything it will mean?

A delay? It falls on Saturday, so maybe we won't find out for a while?

[housemouse]

I reported this to the mods, because I have been on too many forums where people solicit funds for their own purposes.

I know nothing about these people, do not believe in psychics, and do not want to see any websleuthers taken for a ride.

Now, that said, these people may be on the up-and-up. But, we have no way of knowing. In my humble opinion, verify before you send anyone money.

Scams abound, friends.

Thanks to the mods who deleted the request for donations to some "psychics" offering to "help" with searching...

[Choo_Choo]

I just checked, and there is a partial eclipse with the full moon on the 16th. I am not very good at eclipses, so wonder what, if anything it will mean?

A delay? It falls on Saturday, so maybe we won't find out for a while?

This is what my personal chart says for the lunar eclipse on August 16th:

"The month holds another eclipse on August 16. This one will be a full moon lunar eclipse and may be connected to an event that came up at the last eclipse in Aquarius, February 6. Think back to that date - something you learned then may now be advanced to a new level or discussion.

Even if you can think of nothing that occurred in the early part of February, there are other manifestations that may surface at the new eclipse August 16.

Before I talk about those, I want to be clear about last February, for that was a difficult month for many Pisces. That month also held an eclipse in Virgo on February 20. If you had a hard time near February 20, you will NOT have a repeat of that experience. That family of eclipses in Virgo and Pisces is over and not due back for nine years. Thank goodness!

The eclipse on August 16 will light your house of solitude and reflection and be a lyrical time to work on creative projects. You will get a great deal done while working alone near this date, especially if the project is artistic or visual or involves writing. You won't have the distraction of others - just barricade yourself inside all alone. Set aside time simply to think, experiment, and try different approaches - you'll see lovely results. This full moon will conjoin your ruler, Neptune, the planet that inspires a rich imagination. (Neptune again!)

One very startling outcome of the August 16 full moon eclipse will be to reveal another's secret, but only if the person involved has tried to keep one from you. If there is something that someone has tried to hide from you, those facts will now fly out into the open when those facts are illuminated by the full moon eclipse.

If someone has been duplicitous, it may come as devastating disillusioning news and may bring a final break with that person. Eclipses can be very cleansing by bringing full disclosure, and if this does happen, it will be so that you can protect yourself."

I've found the eclipses that happen twice/year shake things up and reveal secrets. I've had some pretty shocking and terrible things go on in my life on during an eclipse.

Casey is also a Pisces like me.

[housemouse]

Very interesting, Choo_Choo. I hope that this interpretation will apply to Casey and this awful situation.

Particularly where you said:

If there is something that someone has tried to hide from you, those facts will now fly out into the open when those facts are illuminated by the full moon eclipse.


Can all pray for this, and that justice be done for little Caylee, if it is His will that it be done here on earth?

[housemouse]

I have been casting chart after chart to see when we might possibly get more information or significant developments in the case.

There is a pattern forming with the planets involved tomorrow. (Moon/Pluto/Mars/Uranus). I picked an arbitrary time, where it would show clearly. Look at the red lines with the squares, and the red line with the little circles.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/TransitsofAug112008.jpg

[MysteryAddict]

Here it is. The inside chart is Cindy's, the middle chart is Casey's, and the outer chart is June 18th, arbitrarily set for 1:30 AM.

Anyone want to see a "quad wheel" with Caylee's included? Even if you do not understand astrology, it is interesting to see how all the planets are involved, just by looking.

Notice the involvement of Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus....

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/Tri-WheelAmTraditional.jpg

Hi housemouse,

Absolutely, I would love to see a chart including Caylee, Casey and Cindy and transits if they will fit on the screen.

After all, Caylee is the center of our concern, so I'm thinking she should be the center chart. Right?

[housemouse]

There was a Yod formation around the time Caylee disappeared, seen on the chart for the 18th of June.

Then, there was another Yod the night Mark Fuhrman seemed to tie down the timeline (16th through 18th).

And, now I see one forming around August 14th (tightest in the wee hours of the morning).

This involves the Sun (opp Neptune), inconjuncting the Moon and Uranus. Very interesting, and it all leads up to the eclipse on Aug. 16th.

Forgive me for "wishcasting", but I am hoping that something gets out in the open, and somewhat resolved. Again, only time will tell, and if there is a fault, it lies with the astrologer, and not God's will shown through the sky we see.




http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/TransitsofAug142008.jpg

[housemouse]

Hi housemouse,

Absolutely, I would love to see a chart including Caylee, Casey and Cindy and transits if they will fit on the screen.

After all, Caylee is the center of our concern, so I'm thinking she should be the center chart. Right?

I will post it, MysteryAddict. I will try to circle the planets that are all cross-involved. It might be hard to see, however. If so, maybe I can send the link to the original in photobucket. Can I do that? (not very experienced with photobucket!)

[housemouse]

Here is the quad chart, with Caylee in the center, the Casey, then Cindy, then Jun 18 in the outer ring. The maroon circles are just some of the inter- aspects, (I drew them onto the chart.)

Have fun hunting for all the others!



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/QuadAmTraditional-1.jpg

[MysteryAddict]

Hi Housemouse,

Please don't be discouraged not to hear from your fans out here. This is a very
complicated chart and it reminded me of why I gave up astrology a while back.
It's just so hard, at least for me, to come to conclusions.
Did I tell you I have a mercury in Taurus and I'm also a blonde? LOL

Mostly I see poor little Caylee's Venus in Virgo square Pluto in Sag. being attacked
from all sides. What does it mean?

Also the almost full moon conjunct Pluto square Uranus opposed her Venus looks like
a Grand Square to me and very scary!

Help! Tell us what you think. Please.

[housemouse]

Mystery! You shouldn't have given up!

Now, trying to be a teacher here. Just ponder the various meanings of all the planets involved. Make a mental note of the degrees involved.

Then watch the transits to these degrees, and see what happens, and hopefully, what we find out.

I don't know exactly what happened, for different scenarios could be created using keywords for the planets involved.

Here is a link to planet keywords. Look over on the left hand column, and select the planets you are interested in. The problem with being accurate regarding an event like this one is that different scenarios could legitimately be delineated.

Here are the keywords I worry about:

sudden (Uranus) attack (Mars) death (Saturn, Pluto) young woman/girl (Venus)

Also notice, in the outer ring, the Mars/Neptune opposition. See how close it is to Caylee's ascendant?
The ascendant in the four charts is determined by Caylee's birth time, if it is correct. I spotted it in the Greta visit to Caylee's bedroom, on the wall.

And see how all the charts are involved? Whatever happened affects all of them. Not a happy picture, is it?

[professoressa]

house mouse, thank you for all your work on this! I find astrology very intriguing and very accurate - I wish I could learn it myself!

I really do hope there is some resolution soon! Let's keep sending out good vibes, people...for Caylee's sake!

[technicalconfusion]

Housemouse,

Can I ask what software you're using? This thread is fascinating!

[housemouse]

I use Time Cycles Research. I use a Mac, and this is the best available, in my opinion.

For charts I really like Io Edition. But, for examining transits to these charts, I find Io Sprite invaluable.

Here is a link for the software.

http://timecycles.com/Edition.html


Right now, I have Io Sprite open, set to "real time", and am watching for Mars to conjunct the midheaven. I can speed Io Sprite up, and see that it will be on the midheaven at about 3:30 PM.

Then, I will keep my ear out for news about that time, and see what happens, if anything.

[housemouse]

And, everyone please remember. I do not like to "Predict"!

I personally think this is an improper use for astrology. I realize that others find nothing wrong with predicting, or "fortune-telling". I find it a violation of my personal Christian beliefs. The Bible tells me so.

And, if you think seriously and objectively about this, it makes logical sense not to try to play God with a system so complicated as the interaction of the planets in our solar system.

We can know, from observation of past events, something about the energies of life, how they interact, and get a feel for the "signs of the times", but that is all we should try to do.

We have free will, in my opinion, to make choices about what we do with these energies, as they occur in our lives.

We can use Mars to be a surgeon or a butcher, a policeman or a soldier.

We can also use it to start gang fights with knives, attack the defenseless, or shoot up schools.

[technicalconfusion]

I use Time Cycles Research. I use a Mac, and this is the best available, in my opinion.

For charts I really like Io Edition. But, for examining transits to these charts, I find Io Sprite invaluable.

Here is a link for the software.

http://timecycles.com/Edition.html


Right now, I have Io Sprite open, set to "real time", and am watching for Mars to conjunct the midheaven. I can speed Io Sprite up, and see that it will be on the midheaven at about 3:30 PM.

Then, I will keep my ear out for news about that time, and see what happens, if anything.

Thank you!

[donnam]

I use Time Cycles Research. I use a Mac, and this is the best available, in my opinion.

For charts I really like Io Edition. But, for examining transits to these charts, I find Io Sprite invaluable.

Here is a link for the software.

http://timecycles.com/Edition.html


Right now, I have Io Sprite open, set to "real time", and am watching for Mars to conjunct the midheaven. I can speed Io Sprite up, and see that it will be on the midheaven at about 3:30 PM.

Then, I will keep my ear out for news about that time, and see what happens, if anything.

Do yo