Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #37

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here.

Look around Caylee now has a FORUM, (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166) there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.


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[Pocono Sleuther]

Thanks Christine. I'm just treading water here tryin to keep up!

[Busylady]

So did he put the carseat in the shed because it smelled?

[Elley Mae]

Wouldn't the cae seat be in the car that LE still has in there possession.

[MayMay]

That's not a car seat she's holding, a car seat for a 2 year old is bigger than that and does not fit in a brown bag that size.

[LinetteH]

So are any of the family vehicles still equipped with a car seat? I mean, if Caylee were to be found and they had to go pick her up where would they put her?

[curiositycat]

We have heard a lot of speculation on the car seat. There has to be one, but do we know anything for sure about it?

[whiteangora]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7115257&version=12&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Video of CSI, oops will put in media links

[Blink34]

Thanks Christine- have any thoughts on the most recent developments?

[curiositycat]

So are any of the family vehicles still equipped with a car seat? I mean, if Caylee were to be found and they had to go pick her up where would they put her?
That's a good question. When I lived in the same town with my grandchildren my son and his wife had one and I bought one at a garage sale to use in my car so we wouldn't have to be constantly taking them in and out when I baby-sat.

[Mendara]

That's not a car seat she's holding, a car seat for a 2 year old is bigger than that and does not fit in a brown bag that size.


It looks like maybe a suitcase or a folded carseat HE IS HOLDING the WOMAN In the photo has a smaller bag, there are carseats that are not that large and bulky - I have used them in rental cars. There seems to be a handle, maybe it is a toy found in the car. George did say he cleaned out the car - he may have teken that item out and put in the shed and then mentioned it this morning and they went to get it.

[Clearly Confused]

It looks like maybe a suitcase or a folded carseat, there are carseats that are not that large and bulky - I have used them in rental cars. There seems to be a handle, maybe it is a toy found in the car. George did say he cleaned out the car - he may have teken that item out and put in the shed and then mentioned it this morning and they went to get it.

Or it could have been a booster seat. My son's is not big and bulky at all.

[auntbaby]

fox news is saying LE will be on soon

[tamfish]

Someone asked on the thread just closed if one of the bags could contain Caylee's body.

Um... no. Absolutely not. That would NEVER happen, not in a million years.

[curiositycat]

It looks like maybe a suitcase or a folded carseat, there are carseats that are not that large and bulky - I have used them in rental cars. There seems to be a handle, maybe it is a toy found in the car. George did say he cleaned out the car - he may have teken that item out and put in the shed and then mentioned it this morning and they went to get it.
Hmmnn. I just can't understand why LE didn't check out this stuff before. I mean by now it all could have been tampered with:confused:

[suspicious mind]

Hello everyone! Just wanted to share some info that I thought was very interesting.

There are several ZF-G's in Puerto Rico. That is also where Jesus is from. That is also where her friend Amy was vacationing while Casey was staying at her apartment.

[Hailiejade77]

http://www.local6.com/news/17062838/detail.html


Sources: Evidence Taken In Missing Girl Case Likely Mother's Clothes
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Two bags of evidence likely containing clothes and personal items of the mother of a missing Orlando girl were taken Friday morning by crime-scene investigators from the home of the child's grandparents, sources told Local 6 News.

[Mendara]

It may be the car seat BASE - if they had a removal ccarseat that may be the base - it definetly looks like a seat of some sort.

[curiositycat]

Or it could have been a booster seat. My son's is not big and bulky at all.
Good guess. If I remember right they have handles also!

[lostnfound85]

Hmmnn. I just can't understand why LE didn't check out this stuff before. I mean by now it all could have been tampered with:confused:

It does seem a little late in the game.

[Mendara]

Hmmnn. I just can't understand why LE didn't check out this stuff before. I mean by now it all could have been tampered with:confused:

EXACTLY. Maybe George and Cindy removed this item from the car and maybe LE was looking for it and maybe they finally turned it in.

[Blink34]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7115257&version=12&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Video of CSI, oops will put in media links

I think I see a shovel on the left wall of the garage hanging?? Or a gardening tool of some kind.. Is it new? Was it moved from the shed following the 6/23-6/24 am break in?? ANyone??

[Clearly Confused]

fox news is saying LE will be on soon
This is going to be very sad.

[RoseRed]

We have heard a lot of speculation on the car seat. There has to be one, but do we know anything for sure about it?

I believe LE already stated Caylee DID NOT die in the car seat.

[Elley Mae]

The car seat would be in the car that LE has in there possession.would it not.

[Clearly Confused]

Hmmnn. I just can't understand why LE didn't check out this stuff before. I mean by now it all could have been tampered with:confused:

It could have been hidden.

[Cheetah]

That item being carried in the brown bag looks like a baby bathtub :confused:

[CarrieSis]

If Cindy was the last to have Caylee, what if she passed in CINDY's car, and CINDY's carseat?

[KaylynnCouture]

fox news is saying LE will be on soon

The Live Desk is starting in 30 minutes on FoxNews, and guaranteed they'll cover Caylees story.
Is there any press conferences today?

[cindysnow3]

The items were taken from their shed in backyard, so it was something they must have locked in the shed. Reporter said she saw doors open to back shed

[jazzelwood]

OMG I would be SO pissed having all of those TV vans in the street if I was a neighbor!!

oh and I thought the car seat was found in the FOCUS

[Mendara]

That item being carried in the brown bag looks like a baby bathtub :confused:

I thought this too but she is too big for that.

[lostnfound85]

I said yesterday the hammer was going to drop soon on Cindy and George, I think it has.

[Elley Mae]

Is the car seat in the car that LE is in possession of.

[Nedthan Johns]

Hailie:

If they had found the body the coroner would immediately be called to the scene. Only the coroner can remove a body from a crime scene.

[Mendara]

OMG I would be SO pissed having all of those TV vans in the street if I was a neighbor!!

oh and I thought the car seat was found in the FOCUS

i wouldn't be pissed

[LaLaw2000]

I felt a rush when the CSI story broke. Now I am feeling 'down'. I can't explain it.

[lillyfrog]

Could it be that Cindy and or George lied in the beginning about which carseat was found in the abandoned car?

[Blink34]

EXACTLY. Maybe George and Cindy removed this item from the car and maybe LE was looking for it and maybe they finally turned it in.

I am confident this evidence was due to a disclosure previously NOT disclosed by the Anthony's. It's new, and relative to the forensics that they were waiting on. I agree that they are witholding the actual death declaration until they feel they have all they are going to get from the Anthony's.. Once they have confirmation of a homicide they are going to clam up pronto. I am going t give them the benefit of the doubt today as a gesture- I want to believe based on the evidence they are now doing the right thing.

[LaLaw2000]

If Cindy was the last to have Caylee, what if she passed in CINDY's car, and CINDY's carseat?

:eek:

[Hailiejade77]

Hailie:

If they had found the body the coroner would immediately be called to the scene. Only the coroner can remove a body from a crime scene.

thank you,.. thats what I thought. Lack of sleep is making my mind wander.

[DianeB]

It could have been hidden.Cindy was on TV the other night complaining about it.

She said that all of Casey's things she'd collected (from where, she didn't say) were "out" in Casey's room for a week and a half.

Since no one asked for them, she put them away and now it's "too late".

It was pretty odd.

[RR0004]

Hi guys! Just catching up...but wanted to ask this before I lost the question...and I know EM you were on pretty early...did anyone here resolve the difference in dates from what the DJ said and what Tony said? The DJ having said that he last saw Caylee on the 13th of June...Tony saying the 2nd of June. That's a big discrepency, especially if Casey was spending all this time over there as reported by DJ.

[Amster]

Maybe just to humor Cindy.....she was disgusted that the sheriff hadn't picked up Caseys belongings that were at her house. After she had gone through them.....Fox keeps saying the items taken were from the backyard or shed.....

[LaLaw2000]

i wouldn't be pissed

Me either! I would serve them food, ice water, and anything else they wanted just so long as they would keep Caylee's name in the media!

[whiteangora]

OMG I would be SO pissed having all of those TV vans in the street if I was a neighbor!!

oh and I thought the car seat was found in the FOCUS

Hold on, Casey did not drive a Focus. That was a supposed description of Zanny's car. Casey drove a Pontiac model (forgot name) but def not a Focus.

[RoseRed]

Is the car seat in the car that LE is in possession of.

Yes there was a carseat in the pontiac that LE have in possesion.

[Blink34]

I felt a rush when the CSI story broke. Now I am feeling 'down'. I can't explain it.

Strap in La, there will be more today..
I posted yesterday there would be a break today- LE likes Friday releases and activity as then the Defense attorneys have to work all weekend and have less access to staff and other pertinent resources, witnesses, filings, etc..
I hope they have somone posted at the jail, I expect Baez or the detectives and Baez/Walsh there next..

[gigi2009]

I uploaded the entire video from Fox but its "processing" on youtube. Hopefully because it's only 3 minutes long it will be available soon. I'm new to the video thing so bear with me!

[Hailiejade77]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH,... this little girl needs to be brought home so she can have a proper burial!!! I just can't take it anymore of her laying out there all by herself! :(

[Clearly Confused]

I am confident this evidence was due to a disclosure previously NOT disclosed by the Anthony's. It's new, and relative to the forensics that they were waiting on. I agree that they are witholding the actual death declaration until they feel they have all they are going to get from the Anthony's.. Once they have confirmation of a homicide they are going to clam up pronto. I am going t give them the benefit of the doubt today as a gesture- I want to believe based on the evidence they are now doing the right thing.

I agree or they could have just found something hidden by Casey and told the police this am. I am hoping they didn't hold anything back.
As much as these people are acting strange I don't the parents had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance or death if that is the case.

[curiositycat]

It could have been hidden.
Well, if they hid:) it that would be obstruction of justice. Right?

[FLbeachdawg]

That item being carried in the brown bag looks like a baby bathtub :confused:

I thought the SAME thing!

[Beagle1]

I tend to think that the things in the bags are the things that Cindy complained that had not been taken the other night. Also, the item in the one bag might be a backpack?

[LaLaw2000]

Remember Cindy staring at Casey in the courtroom and saying, "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE"?

[KaylynnCouture]

Foxnews is covering the story now.

[Clearly Confused]

Well, if they hid:) it that would be obstruction of justice. Right?

Yes. I was thinking Casey hid something and her parents may have just found it.

[RR0004]

Strap in La, there will be more today..
I posted yesterday there would be a break today- LE likes Friday releases and activity as then the Defense attorneys have to work all weekend and have less access to staff and other pertinent resources, witnesses, filings, etc..
I hope they have somone posted at the jail, I expect Baez or the detectives and Baez/Walsh there next..
Was there one last Friday? I can't recall.

[Blink34]

I agree or they could have just found something hidden by Casey and told the police this am. I am hoping they didn't hold anything back.
As much as these people are acting strange I don't the parents had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance or death if that is the case.

I dont think they did either, but I do think it is possible they have participated in covering up. For me it started with the pizza- why lie about it immediately following an eve of questioning?

[jazzelwood]

i wouldn't be pissed
good for you..... I like to sunbathe in the NUDE on my front lawn and im sure the van would block my rays :) ha ha

[FLtwinmom]

I am not a psychic or anything at all like that. I don't have vivid dreams. Last night at 4:00am I woke up after having the most vivid dream, it was so real. Caylee was standing in a room all alone and said "when I was hurt, I couldn't go to my mommy, she wasn't there for me". I am so upset by this family's lack of concern for this innocent little girl. It amazes me that total strangers care more for her well being. I have two year old twins and they are my everything, I can't imagine how any one could hurt a child much less their own. I am holding out all hope that she is okay somewhere.

[swanniee11]

could it be a swing of some sort? I'm trying to think of toys/pool toys that would be that shape. It does look like a car seat as well however, if you look at the pick of Caylee in the backseat holding her doll, that carseat is huge.

[TraceyLeigh]

Foxnews is covering the story now.

Please update when you can! Thanks!

[SuziQ]

Strap in La, there will be more today..
I posted yesterday there would be a break today- LE likes Friday releases and activity as then the Defense attorneys have to work all weekend and have less access to staff and other pertinent resources, witnesses, filings, etc..
I hope they have somone posted at the jail, I expect Baez or the detectives and Baez/Walsh there next..

You sure did Blink. Alot going on today for sure. I'm getting a late start. Off to catch up.

[LaLaw2000]

Strap in La, there will be more today..
I posted yesterday there would be a break today- LE likes Friday releases and activity as then the Defense attorneys have to work all weekend and have less access to staff and other pertinent resources, witnesses, filings, etc..
I hope they have somone posted at the jail, I expect Baez or the detectives and Baez/Walsh there next..

Yes, seems so. I remember you stating you thought there would be that break today. Clearly something is up.

[RR0004]

I'm sorry guys, I just keep repeating this mantra...this baby is NOT dead, this baby is NOT dead, this baby is NOT dead...

[MsScarlet]

Didn't someone post a MySpace page yesterday of a woman who was a missing persons investigator for the OCSD? Maybe thats who the woman that got out of the car wearing jeans was.

[Clearly Confused]

I dont think they did either, but I do think it is possible they have participated in covering up. For me it started with the pizza- why lie about it immediately following an eve of questioning?

Right...I was just hoping they didn't do that. I was holding out hope that they were in shock or something.

[raeann]

Since the pictures taken as the investigators left the garage area show them SMILING, I would certainly hope they would not be doing that if there were news of Cayley not being alive!

[Starr58]

The items were taken from their shed in backyard, so it was something they must have locked in the shed. Reporter said she saw doors open to back shed

I believe it was GMA that went on and on about the shed always being locked because of safety concerns for Caylee...hmmmmmm.....maybe GMA had some other reason for wanting the shed secure????:furious::eek::eek:

[LucyVino]

FLtwinmom that is just super eerie gosh I hope it was just due to your concern and not a sign, I do not have a good feeling about what may break today.

[Busylady]

this is a picture of Caylee in a car booster seat

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/?action=view&current=cayleemarie-age254-1.jpg

could be something similar to this one

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3155496

[Blink34]

Was there one last Friday? I can't recall.

Hey RR- yes,
Calls released to media.
Baez files for PA order re visits/phone calls
Baez met with LE for hours outside of presence of Casey, Walsh gets hired.
Baez meets with Anthony family at home all day Saturday.

[KaylynnCouture]

Please update when you can! Thanks!

Deputy from Orange County Sheriffs Office is on now. He's basically saying:
-They aren't saying the items that CSI has taken.
-There is no "new concrete slab" put in the backyard, despite rumors.
-There is no evidence that the babysitter exists, and the 2 people that Casey said could verify that Caylee was with the babysitter aren't valid.

[jdj8766]

Fox news interviewed Padilla fromn the OC sheriff's office and he said there definitely is no babysitter and there is no concrete slab in the backyard of the Anthonys.

[Hailiejade77]

I am not a psychic or anything at all like that. I don't have vivid dreams. Last night at 4:00am I woke up after having the most vivid dream, it was so real. Caylee was standing in a room all alone and said "when I was hurt, I couldn't go to my mommy, she wasn't there for me". I am so upset by this family's lack of concern for this innocent little girl. It amazes me that total strangers care more for her well being. I have two year old twins and they are my everything, I can't imagine how any one could hurt a child much less their own. I am holding out all hope that she is okay somewhere.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? I woke up at 4 also and I had a dream about Caylee crying. I woke up crying myself!!!! OMG I have goosebumps!

[TraceyLeigh]

Deputy from Orange County Sheriffs Office is on now. He's basically saying:
-They aren't saying the items that CSI has taken.
-There is no "new concrete slab" put in the backyard, despite rumors.
-There is no evidence that the babysitter exists, and the 2 people that Casey said could verify that Caylee was with the babysitter aren't valid.


Thank you!

[Beagle1]

Please update when you can! Thanks!

LE spokesman doesn't know anymore than we do... just said some evidence had been picked up. He doesn't know what has been said in the meeting this morning. Verified that the babysitter has not been found... no evidence that she existed. He just agreed that they have gotten no info from Casey. they just talked about what we already know. Nothing new at all.

[RNmomnFL]

I felt a rush when the CSI story broke. Now I am feeling 'down'. I can't explain it.

I'm weeping buckets. I just realized that finding out answers albeit necessary, is so painful. In contemplating the idea of that beautiful child losing her life, I just can't come to terms with it. I've struggled to maintain hope of her being alive (in denial of the signs of death indicated by the canines) and the possibility of losing that hope and learning the cause of death is horrid. Yet, I need to know what happened. KWIM?

[Blink34]

Didn't someone post a MySpace page yesterday of a woman who was a missing persons investigator for the OCSD? Maybe thats who the woman that got out of the car wearing jeans was.

Dont know about the myspace, but that woman is Amwilda or Kari, both named in the affidavit.

[TraceyLeigh]

I KNEW IT... the babysitter is BS... ! I said all along it was a waste of precious time and energy looking for her.

[Hailiejade77]

could it be a swing of some sort? I'm trying to think of toys/pool toys that would be that shape. It does look like a car seat as well however, if you look at the pick of Caylee in the backseat holding her doll, that carseat is huge.


that was what i was thinking,... pool toys.

[MayMay]

this is a picture of Caylee in a car booster seat

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/?action=view&current=cayleemarie-age254-1.jpg

could be something similar to this one

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3155496
Same car seat my daughter has, trust me it's big.

[curiositycat]

Since the pictures taken as the investigators left the garage area show them SMILING, I would certainly hope they would not be doing that if there were news of Cayley not being alive!
I noticed that the man and woman from CSI standing together were smiling also.
I guess this could be looked at in two ways either "Yeah, we got it now" or "This is such a waste of time". I say that because while I felt encouraged a bit and still do I also wonder if this was simply generated by Cindy complaining that they had not taken anything of Casey's yet:waitasec:

[TraceyLeigh]

Thanks to everyone giving updates, btw! I appreciate it!

[lostnfound85]

Deputy from Orange County Sheriffs Office is on now. He's basically saying:
-They aren't saying the items that CSI has taken.
-There is no "new concrete slab" put in the backyard, despite rumors.
-There is no evidence that the babysitter exists, and the 2 people that Casey said could verify that Caylee was with the babysitter aren't valid.


I wish they'd tell us something we don't already know.

[Hailiejade77]

Since the pictures taken as the investigators left the garage area show them SMILING, I would certainly hope they would not be doing that if there were news of Cayley not being alive!

but people that are in that line of work have to distant themselves otherwise they wouldn't be able to do it

[DianeB]

I tend to think that the things in the bags are the things that Cindy complained that had not been taken the other night. Also, the item in the one bag might be a backpack?I thought the same thing - a backpack with a frame.

It seemed as if the bag the female CSI tech was holding was wider at the bottom end than at the top end she was holding. Might just have been the angle, though.

[Amster]

Same car seat my daughter has, trust me it's big.

I agree...too big to fit in the evidence bag....

[liljim]

I KNEW IT... the babysitter is BS... ! I said all along it was a waste of precious time and energy looking for her.

lots of people around here dont like this type of comment. :rolleyes:

(not my opinion, just my experience) :)

[gigi2009]

Sorry it took so long. Here is the Fox News coverage about the search.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Co-PboebVY

[LinetteH]

that was what i was thinking,... pool toys.

could it be one of those seat things people buy to float in the pool? I am not sure if you all have seen one, I just say one myself this summer. It is a flexible seat that you sit on but it stays under the water so it almost looks like you are standing up in the water but you are really floating...I will try yo see if I can find a photo of one.

[Blink34]

You sure did Blink. Alot going on today for sure. I'm getting a late start. Off to catch up.

LOL- SUZ, that's what happens when your on night shift- I think I noted your last post at like 3:40am, I was thinking "Im not worthy, must stay up later..:blowkiss:

[amandab]

I've often wondered how many times someone who really isn't all that happy will automatically smile when they know a camera is around. Not like they're purposely trying to mug for the camera, but as a subconscious habit or something...

[TraceyLeigh]

lots of people around here dont like this type of comment. :rolleyes:

(not my opinion, just my experience) :)

sorry... not to offend anyone... that IS strictly my opinion...

[Txstrace]

Hey RR- yes,
Calls released to media.
Baez files for PA order re visits/phone calls
Baez met with LE for hours outside of presence of Casey, Walsh gets hired.
Baez meets with Anthony family at home all day Saturday.

This may have been gone over but I can't find a separate thread for it: In the state of Florida, does a defendant need 2 defense attorneys in a death penalty case. I seem to remember that in some states it is required.

[RoseRed]

I'm sorry guys, I just keep repeating this mantra...this baby is NOT dead, this baby is NOT dead, this baby is NOT dead...

Me too. I am also NOT psychic but in a dream last night saw a younger man in front right behind him was an older smallish lady with dark hair holding a little girls hand. Just behind was a man and they were all going through some type of line with round metal bars.

[SuziQ]

I'm still catching up. So I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7115257&version=14&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

(snip)
It is not clear what was removed from the backyard, but investigators say they must talk with George and Cindy Anthony before they release any new information on the case.
Investigators are expected to release their DNA results from items pulled from a car trunk driven by 22-year-old Casey Anthony, mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee.

[RR0004]

Hey RR- yes,
Calls released to media.
Baez files for PA order re visits/phone calls
Baez met with LE for hours outside of presence of Casey, Walsh gets hired.
Baez meets with Anthony family at home all day Saturday.
I just remember waiting with bated breath for Monday to come to hear something...anything. Looking back, I was probably waiting for Casey to talk.

Thanks, Blink. OT- I did respond last night...but you were already off to sleep. Hope yours was better than mine. All I dream about is this case.

[Clearly Confused]

sorry... not to offend anyone... that IS strictly my opinion...


LOL..:blowkiss:

[auntbaby]

I don't see where this has been mentioned before but if it has please forgive. It could be caylee's carseat , just not from her mom's car, my great neice has 4, one in mommys, one in daddy's ,in GM and in GP's cars it saves so much time. Perhaps it was either from Cindy's car or they switched the one from cindy's car to Casey's because it was soiled.???

[Amster]

I think they took Caseys droppings that Cindy has been whining about....probably had them stored in the shed...Cindy is probably bleating that some "puzzle" pieces are in there.

[LinetteH]

Here is a picture of what I aws speaking of...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/Linette33/Pool-Supplies-Aqua-Saddle.jpg

[DianeB]

lots of people around here dont like this type of comment. :rolleyes:

(not my opinion, just my experience) :)Yeah, but even if they 'know' a lead isn't going to pan out, they still have to pursue it until it can be confirmed.

In a case like this where the POI is such an accomplished liar, it must make things difficult - the fact that her mother was out there diverting attention in a million directions doesn't help.

On the other hand, it is satisfying to have a hunch confirmed!

Same thing is happening in Boston with the 'Rockefeller' kidnapping - LE can't even figure out who this guy really is because he's created an entire phantom background for himself.

[Hailiejade77]

could it be one of those seat things people buy to float in the pool? I am not sure if you all have seen one, I just say one myself this summer. It is a flexible seat that you sit on but it stays under the water so it almost looks like you are standing up in the water but you are really floating...I will try yo see if I can find a photo of one.

i know what you are talking about,..my daughter has one. It might be.

I am jsut hoping that if Caylee was killed (which I think she was) that is was an accident. And if she was killed on purpose HOW COULD CASEY LOOK INTO THOSE EYES OF BEAUTIFUL LITTLE CAYLEE AS SHE KILLED HER??? It tears up my heart that the last thing that Caylee saw was her mother's face as she is killing her :(

[Clearly Confused]

I think they took Caseys droppings that Cindy has been whining about....probably had them stored in the shed...Cindy is probably bleating that some "puzzle" pieces are in there.
Droppings? I am not sure what you mean.

[FLbeachdawg]

I have to drive past the Orange County Jail on my way to lunch...I will let you know if there is a bunch of buz around...with news crews and such.

[SuziQ]

LOL- SUZ, that's what happens when your on night shift- I think I noted your last post at like 3:40am, I was thinking "Im not worthy, must stay up later..:blowkiss:

Please don't pull my crazy hours. It sucks! lol. Oh I woke up bright and early after sleeping my typical 4 or so hours. But I woke up with a stupid cold or allergies (I haven't decided which) So I crawled right back into bed.

Hmmmm, the shape of that one bag does look like a framed backpack.

[liljim]

sorry... not to offend anyone... that IS strictly my opinion...

absolutely :) some people seem to forget that opinions that differ from their opinions are still just opinions... but hey, thats just my opinion. :P

[Beagle1]

This may have been gone over but I can't find a separate thread for it: In the state of Florida, does a defendant need 2 defense attorneys in a death penalty case. I seem to remember that in some states it is required.

I heard on TV somewhere (I don't have a source) that Walsh was a specialist for appeals and was brought on for the bail appeal. Can't be sure...

[imnotheonlyone]

It looks like maybe a suitcase or a folded carseat HE IS HOLDING the WOMAN In the photo has a smaller bag, there are carseats that are not that large and bulky - I have used them in rental cars. There seems to be a handle, maybe it is a toy found in the car. George did say he cleaned out the car - he may have teken that item out and put in the shed and then mentioned it this morning and they went to get it.

Since the gas cans (per George) have been "returned to him" and the detectives opened the shed door this morning and left the home with 2 large paper bags..... I'm going to venture to guess that these are the gas cans being taken in as evidence.

[TraceyLeigh]

I totally understand that LE had to make the determination as to whether the nanny existed... I just never personally believed it would turn out to be true.

[kathyn2]

Has anyone been watching msnbc this morning? The reporter at the anthony home just said that another Fox reporter covering the case said they had never seen the anthony's so unhappy. something is going down today. I just got online here so don't know what you are discussing but I am sure you have seen LE taking out big bags.

[TraceyLeigh]

absolutely :) some people seem to forget that opinions that differ from their opinions are still just opinions... but hey, thats just my opinion. :P


lol... gotcha

[Amster]

Droppings? I am not sure what you mean.

Personal items she dropped off at home from wherever she had been staying.

[curiositycat]

I have to drive past the Orange County Jail on my way to lunch...I will let you know if there is a bunch of buz around...with news crews and such.
Oh u go Florida! Thanks a bunch. That would sure indicate something is up!

[Hailiejade77]

Here is a picture of what I aws speaking of...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/Linette33/Pool-Supplies-Aqua-Saddle.jpg

ok,.. not the same thing I was thinking about but a three year old could do that IF SUPERVISED. Maybe she tried to get on that while Casey wasn't watching her and she was floating on it. jmo

[Stoelly]

I posted this on anther thread and wanted to share my conclusions here. Cindy Anthony reported that the "dead body smell" was actually a bag of pizza covered with maggots. What do maggots like more than anything else? A DEAD BODY. So in defense of Cindy (she obviously doesn't want CSI's Gil Grisham ;) there was pizza covered in maggots. After the body was dumped, the eggs hatched or the maggots were still in the trunk and they looked for the nearest meal. Dried up pizza.


Insect activity
From the moment of death flies are attracted to bodies. Without the normal defences of a living animal, blowflies and house flies are able to lay eggs around wounds and natural body openings (mouth, nose, eyes, anus, genitalia). These eggs hatch and move into the body, often within 24 hours. The life cycle of a fly from egg to maggot to fly takes from two to three weeks. It can take considerably longer at low temperatures.


This information was taken from http://www.deathonline.net/decomposi...tial_decay.htm


This evidence combined with the stain, dirt and hair found in the trunk are pretty damning. I pray that this is wrong. I pray nothing happened to Caylee. Unfortunately, not one shred of evidence that Caylee is alive right now has been shared with the media.

[Clearly Confused]

Personal items she dropped off at home from wherever she had been staying.

LOL..thanks..when read that I was thinking bird droppings. I need more coffee.

[curiositycat]

Has anyone been watching msnbc this morning? The reporter at the anthony home just said that another Fox reporter covering the case said they had never seen the anthony's so unhappy. something is going down today. I just got online here so don't know what you are discussing but I am sure you have seen LE taking out big bags.
Hmmnn. Yeah we have all been discussing it since the moment we first heard. I hadn't heard that though. I wonder if the forensics are back and it's bad, bad news?

[liltigress]

When they collect evidence, don't they ONLY put one item per bag? If that's the case, they only took 2 things. One of those bags is obvious that it's something with a more square appearance. No one ever knew what the gas cans looked like or if they were identical.

[FLtwinmom]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? I woke up at 4 also and I had a dream about Caylee crying. I woke up crying myself!!!! OMG I have goosebumps!

No I wish I were kidding, it was exactly 4:00 am EST and I looked right at the alarm clock and thought that was the most realistic dream. I couldn't go back to sleep. I kept thinking maybe she is out there somewhere and will be okay. Maybe she is in hiding because she witnessed a murder done by Casey and her friends and can talk? Maybe they think she will forget about it after awhile and can then come back. I just want her to be okay.

[Blink34]

This may have been gone over but I can't find a separate thread for it: In the state of Florida, does a defendant need 2 defense attorneys in a death penalty case. I seem to remember that in some states it is required.

Do you mean the state requires 2 prosecutors on a DP case?
I am not aware of any state that requires a specific amount of defense attorneys for any case? Maybe I misunderstood your question?

[DianeB]

Has anyone been watching msnbc this morning? The reporter at the anthony home just said that another Fox reporter covering the case said they had never seen the anthony's so unhappy. something is going down today. I just got online here so don't know what you are discussing but I am sure you have seen LE taking out big bags.Wonder if this ties in with the statements made on the news shows last night about the car forensic results being expected "within hours".

[lostnfound85]

When you have

1. Cadaver dogs hitting on the car and backyard.

2. A little girl missing for 6 weeks.

1+2 usually does not equal a good result.

[kathyn2]

I agree. I have always thought if there was maggots on the pizza that they came from a dead body in the car, not growing on the pizza. Flies couldn't get and live in the trunk to grow on pizza. They would have to have come from the dead body.


I posted this on anther thread and wanted to share my conclusions here. Cindy Anthony reported that the "dead body smell" was actually a bag of pizza covered with maggots. What do maggots like more than anything else? A DEAD BODY. So in defense of Cindy (she obviously doesn't want CSI's Gil Grisham ;) there was pizza covered in maggots. After the body was dumped, the eggs hatched or the maggots were still in the trunk and they looked for the nearest meal. Dried up pizza.


Insect activity
From the moment of death flies are attracted to bodies. Without the normal defences of a living animal, blowflies and house flies are able to lay eggs around wounds and natural body openings (mouth, nose, eyes, anus, genitalia). These eggs hatch and move into the body, often within 24 hours. The life cycle of a fly from egg to maggot to fly takes from two to three weeks. It can take considerably longer at low temperatures.


This information was taken from http://www.deathonline.net/decomposi...tial_decay.htm


This evidence combined with the stain, dirt and hair found in the trunk are pretty damning. I pray that this is wrong. I pray nothing happened to Caylee. Unfortunately, not one shred of evidence that Caylee is alive right now has been shared with the media.

[swanniee11]

Here is a picture of what I aws speaking of...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/Linette33/Pool-Supplies-Aqua-Saddle.jpg


O/T. lmao at this pic

[kathyn2]

Actually they are saying the forensics are due early next week. I have heard that several times.


Wonder if this ties in with the statements made on the news shows last night about the car forensic results being expected "within hours".

[RR0004]

When they collect evidence, don't they ONLY put one item per bag? If that's the case, they only took 2 things. One of those bags is obvious that it's something with a more square appearance. No one ever knew what the gas cans looked like or if they were identical.
Whatever it was...it didn't appear to be too heavy.

[Hailiejade77]

No I wish I were kidding, it was exactly 4:00 am EST and I looked right at the alarm clock and thought that was the most realistic dream. I couldn't go back to sleep. I kept thinking maybe she is out there somewhere and will be okay. Maybe she is in hiding because she witnessed a murder done by Casey and her friends and can talk? Maybe they think she will forget about it after awhile and can then come back. I just want her to be okay.

I woke up at 4:01 (EST time as well) and I was crying. In my dream Caylee was crying and she was wearing those PJs that she has on in the picture that is showed everywhere. My daughter has the same ones that we got last year and she was wearing them last night as well. Is was a freaky coincidence and I as well couldn't go back to sleep. I actually went and layed down in the twin bed of my daughter's room because I wanted to be close to her.

[maur33]

It seems to me that the Anthony's meeting with the Feds yesterday may have allowed the OCSD (who I am sure set this meeting up) to finally be able to sit these people down and say "Look, we are NOT playing anymore word games with you or your daughter" so here are the facts and it's time for you to come clean with us.

The Investigators who went to the house this morning knew exactly what they were looking for and where to find it...hopefully whatever they took will help lead them to this poor child.

[DianeB]

I agree. I have always thought if there was maggots on the pizza that they came from a dead body in the car, not growing on the pizza. Flies couldn't get and live in the trunk to grow on pizza. They would have to have come from the dead body.Or a diaper? I could maybe see it if there was a bag of Big Macs in the trunk.

[tuppence]

I am confident this evidence was due to a disclosure previously NOT disclosed by the Anthony's. It's new, and relative to the forensics that they were waiting on. I agree that they are witholding the actual death declaration until they feel they have all they are going to get from the Anthony's.. Once they have confirmation of a homicide they are going to clam up pronto. I am going t give them the benefit of the doubt today as a gesture- I want to believe based on the evidence they are now doing the right thing.


GIVE ME A BREAK! I am so sick of reading from people bashing the Anthonys. How much have you been following this case? The Anthony's (gma, gpa, Lee) have allowed the police to search EVERYTHING they wanted WHENEVER they wanted WITHOUT a search warrant. THEY are the ones that called the police to begin with. Not only called them once but called them MUTLIPLE times when they could not get a response. They have responded to every meeting request from LE and LE has never indicated that they did not anwer all questions. They have readily answered questions without a lawyer. The only issue raised by LE was that Cindy was upset when they wanted to talk to the great grandfather in the nursing home and demanded they did not do that. That was wrong but an understandable emotional response and LE has had NO complaints since.

They collected receipts, followed up with friends, SAVED the trash bag from the car to give to police at the beginning.

Do people really expect them to get on TV and implicate their daughter and admit Caylee could be dead. The WHOLE REASON for being on TV is get people to search for Caylee in case she is alive - LE and all PR people will tell you that people need to believe she is alive. I can tell you I have seen Caylees face on TV a million times more then many other kids thanks to the Anthony's willingness TO subject themselves to the continuing humiliation JUST IN CASE Caylee is out there.

They must feel horrible and humiliated having to constantly present what Casey has said knowing it does not make sense. However they gain nothing by having people believe they believe Caylee may be dead. They need people to be optimistic about her being alive so they will keep their eyes open for her IN CASE there is a Zanny.

I also can't fault them for pushing LE to search and asking for the FBI. LE does not appear to be searching (no doubt for good reason) so the Anthony's are trying to get tips in, get the FBI based on a hope thta just maybe Caylee is alive. LE probably is sure she's dead but the Anthony's of course will continue to hope againt hope that she is not.

[RR0004]

No I wish I were kidding, it was exactly 4:00 am EST and I looked right at the alarm clock and thought that was the most realistic dream. I couldn't go back to sleep. I kept thinking maybe she is out there somewhere and will be okay. Maybe she is in hiding because she witnessed a murder done by Casey and her friends and can talk? Maybe they think she will forget about it after awhile and can then come back. I just want her to be okay.
You know what's really weird....I was still awake (no doubt online here, too!)!!

[gigi2009]

Fox is saying that the family came home now. I wonder if they're still going to do the fundraiser?

[Amster]

Parents who spawned Casey are back home....according to Fox....

[swanniee11]

I have to drive past the Orange County Jail on my way to lunch...I will let you know if there is a bunch of buz around...with news crews and such.


cool, while you're at it, pop in and find out what was in the bags? lol

[rosario_c]

Has anyone else thought that the reason Casey's boyfriend "heard" Caylee in the background of thier conversation is that she could have been playing a videotape of her on the tv? I saw that once on a movie. Person on the other end of the phone heard the person's voice but didn't pay much attention to what was being said. It was a tape being played...

Just a thought.....

[QuickAttack]

Cindy to press: "Why don't you get off my property! Why don't you just leave!"

I think she knows this is over.

We'll know something by tonight.

[LinetteH]

Watching live desk:

"Why don't you get off my property? Why don't you just leave?" Spoken by Cindy 10 minutes ago from her garage--who is usually so ready to talk.

[Blink34]

When they collect evidence, don't they ONLY put one item per bag? If that's the case, they only took 2 things. One of those bags is obvious that it's something with a more square appearance. No one ever knew what the gas cans looked like or if they were identical.


Yes, it would be in one bag eliminating the possibility of transfer evidence potentially. They went there with 2 appropriate sized evidence bags as they either had a warrant for them specifically or permission to seize them specifically, but they are named somewhere.

Keep in mind, I personally think if she has not already, Casey will confess if she feels they are closing in and she has a chance to mitigate her guilt.
I would expect her to say she fell into the pool, hit her head and drowned or some crap, and I freaked out and buried her, enter accomplice now, so I confessed to so and so and THEY moved her body after convincing me I would get the dp.. I did what I was told for fear of (insert lie dujour)
There is a HUGE difference between whether or not she gets the dp, jail for life, or pleads to a much lesser charge like abuse of a corpse or manslaughter via wreckless endangerment of a child..

Her lawyer defended a guy and gf who BEAT a 3 year old to death, and pled it down to manslaughter, IIRC, gf out in 10 mos. Dad out in 3 years-

Everybody put your energy and send your chi to LE to find this child's body, it could be crucial to the end of this story..

[curiositycat]

Orlando Salinas said that when Cindy and George came home just now they drove into the garage as the garage door was going down Cindy yelled to reporters "Why don't you just get off of my property, why don't you just leave"
??????

[liltigress]

Just about 10 minutes ago, Cindy and George returned to their home and wouldn't comment to reporters. Just as the garage door shut, Cindy yelled out to reporters "Why don't you get off my property" ... She's upset. Something is up.

[gigi2009]

The Fox reporter said that Cindy Anthony yelled to them to "get off her property" "leave" nice considering she was all about the media before. Something is definately going down besides just bags of evidence coming out of the house.

[QuickAttack]

Just about 10 minutes ago, Cindy and George returned to their home and wouldn't comment to reporters. Just as the garage door shut, Cindy yelled out to reporters "Why don't you get off my property" ... She's upset. Something is up.

Yep. Sounds like truth has finally smacked her upside the head.

[amandab]

Just about 10 minutes ago, Cindy and George returned to their home and wouldn't comment to reporters. Just as the garage door shut, Cindy yelled out to reporters "Why don't you get off my property" ... She's upset. Something is up.

Put simply - things are not going her way.

[Clearly Confused]

GIVE ME A BREAK! I am so sick of reading from people bashing the Anthonys. How much have you been following this case? The Anthony's (gma, gpa, Lee) have allowed the police to search EVERYTHING they wanted WHENEVER they wanted WITHOUT a search warrant. THEY are the ones that called the police to begin with. Not only called them once but called them MUTLIPLE times when they could not get a response. They have responded to every meeting request from LE and LE has never indicated that they did not anwer all questions. They have readily answered questions without a lawyer. The only issue raised by LE was that Cindy was upset when they wanted to talk to the great grandfather in the nursing home and demanded they did not do that. That was wrong but an understandable emotional response and LE has had NO complaints since.

They collected receipts, followed up with friends, SAVED the trash bag from the car to give to police at the beginning.

Do people really expect them to get on TV and implicate their daughter and admit Caylee could be dead. The WHOLE REASON for being on TV is get people to search for Caylee in case she is alive - LE and all PR people will tell you that people need to believe she is alive. I can tell you I have seen Caylees face on TV a million times more then many other kids thanks to the Anthony's willingness TO subject themselves to the continuing humiliation JUST IN CASE Caylee is out there.

They must feel horrible and humiliated having to constantly present what Casey has said knowing it does not make sense. However they gain nothing by having people believe they believe Caylee may be dead. They need people to be optimistic about her being alive so they will keep their eyes open for her IN CASE there is a Zanny.

I also can't fault them for pushing LE to search and asking for the FBI. LE does not appear to be searching (no doubt for good reason) so the Anthony's are trying to get tips in, get the FBI based on a hope thta just maybe Caylee is alive. LE probably is sure she's dead but the Anthony's of course will continue to hope againt hope that she is not.

I think that is why I am holding out hope that they were not involved or covering up for their daughter.

What do you make of the comments grandmom has made on TV?

[DianeB]

GIVE ME A BREAK! I am so sick of reading from people bashing the Anthonys. How much have you been following this case?

I think many people here have been following this case quite closely.

It's unfortunate (for Caylee's sake) that there isn't more public sympathy for the Anthony family, but most of the negativity is directed at Casey, with some reserved for the parents who appear to be protecting their daughter at the expense of their granddaughter.

It's certainly an emotional situation all around, whether you believe the family or not.

[close_enough]

just a report on Fox.....the Anthony's got back home, & wouldn't speak with reporters...as the garage door was closing, Cindy yelled for them to get off her property......(big change, IMO)...something is going down, & it's going to be soon.....

[swanniee11]

oh no! My heart breaks for the Anthony family.

[FLbeachdawg]

Orlando Salinas said that when Cindy and George came home just now they drove into the garage as the garage door was going down Cindy yelled to reporters "Why don't you just get off of my property, why don't you just leave"
??????

:eek: that doesn't sound good. =( geez....I don't even want to go to lunch. They must be about to shed some light on this case at anytime.

I think all of us are just waiting for closure

[SuziQ]

Put simply - things are not going her way.

She does have a tendency to lash out and throw a temper tantrum when that happens.

[lilacwine]

I think the Anthony's have been desperately trying to believe what we all WANTED to .. that beautiful Caylee could not have been killed by her own mother.

It's been hard for us... it's had to have been unbearable for them.

[amandab]

Where were Cindy and her husband coming home from? That may have some bearing on her attitude...

[Txstrace]

Do you mean the state requires 2 prosecutors on a DP case?
I am not aware of any state that requires a specific amount of defense attorneys for any case? Maybe I misunderstood your question?

No, when a defendant is facing the death penalty, don't some states require them to have 2 defense attorneys? I believe this is to help in the appeal process but I'm not sure why exactly.

I'll research that and see what I can find out.

[FLjay]

Hmmnn. Yeah we have all been discussing it since the moment we first heard. I hadn't heard that though. I wonder if the forensics are back and it's bad, bad news?

On FoxNews just now: they were talking about Cindy & George getting back home now, how Cindy turned and rather angrily yelled "Why don't you just get off my property?" Seems she's had it, nothing more to say. We'll see.

[Knoxx]

oh no! My heart breaks for the Anthony family.

Mine to Swanniee11

[curiositycat]

Well IMHO Cindy has had the "Come to Jesus" talk this morning. She is either re-acting from sorrow, anger or fear that she is going to be arrested too.

[liltigress]

Yep. Sounds like truth has finally smacked her upside the head.

You are quick! lol..

Yes, something is up. They are now in grieving mode I believe.

Whatever they got as evidence, they already knew what they were going after. They went to the back yard and in the shed. It was specific. If it was the gas cans, they would be empty, Casey used that up already. They can also get evidence of dirt or such from the bottom of the cans and possibly test against where they may have been set down.

[gigi2009]

Looks like everyone's on the same page--if they don't come up with something in the next 17 days, Casey will be released. I think they are cranking up the pressure with yesterdays 6 hour interview and then again today the search of the house. The speed of it was was incredible. CSI knew specifically where to go and what to look for. Padilla said LE has had no contact with Casey since she lawyered up. That means in my mind, the grandparents broke down about SOMETHING they have been keeping back. And it's MAJOR.

[FLbeachdawg]

Where were Cindy and her husband coming home from? That may have some bearing on her attitude...

weren't they coming from the sheriff's office?

[SuziQ]

The below in bold must not have gone well.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7115257&version=14&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

It is not clear what was removed from the backyard, but investigators say they must talk with George and Cindy Anthony before they release any new information on the case.
Investigators are expected to release their DNA results from items pulled from a car trunk driven by 22-year-old Casey Anthony, mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee.

[imnotheonlyone]

Remember Cindy staring at Casey in the courtroom and saying, "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE"?

Does CINDY speak "Casey's language?" Is this "code" for "the evidence has been destroyed, don't break???"

[ElizaAvalon]

So... wonder what the status is of the fundraiser this afternoon.

I'm willing to be that it either gets cancelled or the Anthonys don't go.

[DianeB]

Everybody put your energy and send your chi to LE to find this child's body, it could be crucial to the end of this story..Indeed.

[FLjay]

Where were Cindy and her husband coming home from? That may have some bearing on her attitude...

From OCS -- remember George was traveling in unmarked car when evidence was seized at ~10:40.

[tamfish]

From Blink34's post:

Her lawyer defended a guy and gf who BEAT a 3 year old to death, and pled it down to manslaughter, IIRC, gf out in 10 mos. Dad out in 3 years-

You are referring to the Patrick Bourgeois case -- where is it established that Casey's lawyer was also his lawyer? I've never seen or heard that anywhere.

I know that the Patrick Bourgeois that visited Casey in jail was not the same one.

[Hailiejade77]

I do feel bad for the Anthony's. I can't even FATHOM the thought that my daughter was kidnapped, let alone if she was dead and one of MY family members did it.

My heart breaks for EVERYONE involved except for the ONE PERSON who hasn't seemed concerned at all,........ who seems to be having a BLAST in jail and will get around to giving them answers when she wants to,... I really hope that if she did this that she gets the DP.

[ElizaAvalon]

weren't they coming from the sheriff's office?

I just heard Padilla say on Fox a little while ago that they talked to the FBI yesterday and "us today".

[RoseRed]

GIVE ME A BREAK! I am so sick of reading from people bashing the Anthonys. How much have you been following this case? The Anthony's (gma, gpa, Lee) have allowed the police to search EVERYTHING they wanted WHENEVER they wanted WITHOUT a search warrant. THEY are the ones that called the police to begin with. Not only called them once but called them MUTLIPLE times when they could not get a response. They have responded to every meeting request from LE and LE has never indicated that they did not anwer all questions. They have readily answered questions without a lawyer. The only issue raised by LE was that Cindy was upset when they wanted to talk to the great grandfather in the nursing home and demanded they did not do that. That was wrong but an understandable emotional response and LE has had NO complaints since.

They collected receipts, followed up with friends, SAVED the trash bag from the car to give to police at the beginning.

Do people really expect them to get on TV and implicate their daughter and admit Caylee could be dead. The WHOLE REASON for being on TV is get people to search for Caylee in case she is alive - LE and all PR people will tell you that people need to believe she is alive. I can tell you I have seen Caylees face on TV a million times more then many other kids thanks to the Anthony's willingness TO subject themselves to the continuing humiliation JUST IN CASE Caylee is out there.

They must feel horrible and humiliated having to constantly present what Casey has said knowing it does not make sense. However they gain nothing by having people believe they believe Caylee may be dead. They need people to be optimistic about her being alive so they will keep their eyes open for her IN CASE there is a Zanny.

I also can't fault them for pushing LE to search and asking for the FBI. LE does not appear to be searching (no doubt for good reason) so the Anthony's are trying to get tips in, get the FBI based on a hope thta just maybe Caylee is alive. LE probably is sure she's dead but the Anthony's of course will continue to hope againt hope that she is not.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[lostnfound85]

The Fox reporter said that Cindy Anthony yelled to them to "get off her property" "leave" nice considering she was all about the media before. Something is definately going down besides just bags of evidence coming out of the house.

We're starting to get the drift.

[SWAG1959]

With Cindy's new outburst it does kinda lend itself that something is "about to go down". Wonder if that event schedule for late this afternoon in Daytona will be cancelled? Have to watch that one - if it is cancelled - well that would be telling. I'm kinda surprised that the anthonys came home - thought maybe Cindy (or even George) might have been charged with obstruction or withholding - since they came for that "stuff" this morning. That might still happen - they let them go home to "tie up some loose ends". Don't know - but I think all are right - there is going to be a big break and huge press conference probably later on today.

[RR0004]

Put simply - things are not going her way.
To be honest, we all knew LE had a deadline...it was just a matter of time before they moved forward with or without Casey's help. I can understand that the GPs hoped something would disprove LE theories, but let's face it...from day one they've been building this case against Casey. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have, but with no other information coming in from anywhere else they HAD to be prepared. The GPs should have been as well.

[kathyn2]

These reporters are so dumb. They are all wondering about this letter. This letter has to do with what Lee asked Casey to do in jail last week. Write out a narrative of everything she can remember about the kidnapping and everything to do about the case. So far Casey 'hasn't had time'. Maybe the media will come over here and read so they can find out what this mysterious letter is.

QUOTE=DianeB;2441947]Wonder if this ties in with the statements made on the news shows last night about the car forensic results being expected "within hours".[/QUOTE]

[raine1212]

Like I posted last eveing when the helicopter news broke about the 80 year old??? And the long meeting, forensic's are back maybe a few days ago.
I must say with saddness that the Charges are forthcoming

[Squishified]

I just want to thank everyone for all their updates!! I'll be glued to Fox News today. Hope we get some answers very soon. Now, back to lurking...........

[lostnfound85]

These reporters are so dumb. They are all wondering about this letter. This letter has to do with what Lee asked Casey to do in jail last week. Write out a narrative of everything she can remember about the kidnapping and everything to do about the case. So far Casey 'hasn't had time'. Maybe the media will come over here and read so they can find out what this mysterious letter is.

QUOTE=DianeB;2441947]Wonder if this ties in with the statements made on the news shows last night about the car forensic results being expected "within hours".[/QUOTE]

I don't think any letter from Casey would be readable.

[kathyn2]

I don't think the police have enough to arrest her on murder. I just read a report and they had a quote from Padilla. He said they don't have enough evidence to arrest Casey yet. They need more. Either thru forensics or more information or new evidence. Pray they can find it thru whatever they brought in today. I don't want that witch to get away with this.

[curiositycat]

Does anybody else wonder about Cindy never being able to keep her pie hole shut!
Saying nothing would have kept us guessing. Her anger at reporters speaks volumes.
What a certified nut case.

[liljim]

These reporters are so dumb. They are all wondering about this letter. This letter has to do with what Lee asked Casey to do in jail last week. Write out a narrative of everything she can remember about the kidnapping and everything to do about the case. So far Casey 'hasn't had time'. Maybe the media will come over here and read so they can find out what this mysterious letter is.

seriously, another great example of how little effort they make to get it right.

its mindboggling.

[liltigress]

The below in bold must not have gone well.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7115257&version=14&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

It is not clear what was removed from the backyard, but investigators say they must talk with George and Cindy Anthony before they release any new information on the case.
Investigators are expected to release their DNA results from items pulled from a car trunk driven by 22-year-old Casey Anthony, mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee.

Yep. She's doing just like her daughter does when she's about to be busted in a lie. Lashing out! Remember how Casey acted on that first phone call home from jail. She didn't want to talk about it, she just wanted Tony's phone number. This seems to be the same type of attitude Cindy is showing now.

[Pugmomma]

I totally agree raine. I can tell you there has been zero news about a missing 80 year old since they announced last night that's what the sky coverage was for. I call shenannigans. I think LE was just trying to divert attention.

[SWAG1959]

I don't think the police have enough to arrest her on murder. I just read a report and they had a quote from Padilla. He said they don't have enough evidence to arrest Casey yet. They need more. Either thru forensics or more information or new evidence. Pray they can find it thru whatever they brought in today. I don't want that witch to get away with this.
could you post a link to that report? I'd like to read that also

Pretty please and thank you.

[curiositycat]

I don't think the police have enough to arrest her on murder. I just read a report and they had a quote from Padilla. He said they don't have enough evidence to arrest Casey yet. They need more. Either thru forensics or more information or new evidence. Pray they can find it thru whatever they brought in today. I don't want that witch to get away with this.
I just heard him on Fox, about an hour or so ago. He didn't say that at all on that show. Do you have a link to that? It's odd that he would say that before the forensics are announced??:confused:

[tuppence]

I think many people here have been following this case quite closely.

It's unfortunate (for Caylee's sake) that there isn't more public sympathy for the Anthony family, but most of the negativity is directed at Casey, with some reserved for the parents who appear to be protecting their daughter at the expense of their granddaughter.

It's certainly an emotional situation all around, whether you believe the family or not.

In what way do you feel they are protecting their daughter at the expense of their granddaughter? Are you privvy to their conversations with LE? They turned in their own daugher. They refused to lawyer up. They gave LE full access to whatever searches they want and documents they want and came to all meetings and answered all questions LE asked them.

Just because they are not saying what you want them to on TV does not mean they are not cooperating. The ONLY reason for them to be on TV is convince people to keep their eye out for CayLee (or possibly convince thier to daughter she can trust them to tell them things). Unfortunately for them that means having to defend crazy statements by their daughter to convince people there is a reasonable possibility Caylee is alive and to look out for her. LE has never indicated they think the Anthony's are lying to THEM.

[kathyn2]

I think Cindy is just very upset that LE is looking for evidence to charge Casey with murder and that they don't believe the kidnapping theory. Whatever Cindy's theory is the authorities do not agree with it at all. Of course most of us think her theory is bogus too and a wild goose chase. Casey has bamboozled her for so long Cindy can't think straight. I think Cindy is seething on what is going on now with LE.



With Cindy's new outburst it does kinda lend itself that something is "about to go down". Wonder if that event schedule for late this afternoon in Daytona will be cancelled? Have to watch that one - if it is cancelled - well that would be telling. I'm kinda surprised that the anthonys came home - thought maybe Cindy (or even George) might have been charged with obstruction or withholding - since they came for that "stuff" this morning. That might still happen - they let them go home to "tie up some loose ends". Don't know - but I think all are right - there is going to be a big break and huge press conference probably later on today.

[gigi2009]

In what way do you feel they are protecting their daughter at the expense of their granddaughter? Are you privvy to their conversations with LE? They turned in their own daugher. They refused to lawyer up. They gave LE full access to whatever searches they want and documents they want and came to all meetings and answered all questions LE asked them.

Just because they are not saying what you want them to on TV does not mean they are not cooperating. The ONLY reason for them to be on TV is convince people to keep their eye out for CayLee (or possibly convince thier to daughter she can trust them to tell them things). Unfortunately for them that means having to defend crazy statements by their daughter to convince people there is a reasonable possibility Caylee is alive and to look out for her. LE has never indicated they think the Anthony's are lying to THEM.


You're kidding right? Cindy Anthony admitted to LYING to LE. It's on the Larry King interview. She has backtracked over her statements more than a lost hiker in the Grand Canyon. Sorry, Cindy is not a credible person period.

[truecrime]

Casey keeps telling Lee that Caylee is close to home> She does know something.........:mad:

[AZ.Storm]

I think I understand Cindy's actions. She's been in denial. Who wants to think that their own child could kill their own child. Cindy has possibly lost two people she really cared about. There has been lots of tearing into this family in the media and online. People are digging up things about them and it's made national news! There have been quite a few speculations that I have to admit, must really hurt the family. This whole situation is very bizarre and it's easy for us as outsiders to question everything they are doing. But can you imagine the pain and confusion they are all going through? I'm sure she wants to be alone right now and doesn't want the media anywhere near. Usually when people are grieving, they don't want to be in the spotlight. I had really hoped for a different outcome for Caylee, but as of right now, things don't look good at all...

[Busylady]

The court summary for Casey now shows Baez and office of public defender as attorney. Maybe it was there before but I missed seeing the public defender?

Also shows 7/31/08 motion to withdrawal - wonder if Baez is getting ready to be taken off this case?

[liljim]

my complete speculation, that just sitting down with LE, even if there were no "bombshells" dropped, but just sitting and listening to their complete opinion on things at this point, and where the evidence is leading them, that must have been very hard for the anthony's but in the long run will be a good thing.

it also could have taken the wind from their sails so to speak and they will need some recovery time. in the end, assuming i am the least bit correct, this may lead to them changing their approach with casey and i think we all agree that that would be a very good thing.

[kathyn2]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html There's the link the to story that that comment is in.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office will not say how close they are to finding 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, but according to one investigator they need more hard evidence.

"Anything that we can get, any new information at all, whether it is from the lab or tips, that helps us find Caylee that much quicker," said Carlos Padilla of the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

I just heard him on Fox, about an hour or so ago. He didn't say that at all on that show. Do you have a link to that? It's odd that he would say that before the forensics are announced??:confused:

[curiositycat]

Tuppence-
I sincerely hope that your rant is not directed at me specifically as is indicated because that is against the TOS here.

Secondly, before you attack somone's knowledge or "following of a case" you should review their posts and contribution to it. Had you actually done that, you would know that your post is way out of line. I welcome you to do it now and please feel free to point out where almost every subjective, unresearched line of your rant is refuted by the known facts that are substantiated in this case. If you will notice, I only post on cases or threads where I feel I CAN CONTRIBUTE TO PROGESSING dialog, in a hopeful effort to, in this case, find a child most of us believe is dead, and support a successful prosecution at the end. Meaning, you will not find me on a thread that I have no background, experience or knowledge of, interjecting subjective opinions; I would implore you to "try that on"..

I would note we should probably all expect to see some emotional viewpoints on here as it appears LE is very close and things are happening quickly. There are going to be people who support scenarios that belie all finding of fact (remind you of anyone) and in some cases, logic.
I support that, just don't be rude to others who do not agree while you are stating your opinion, and of course make sure your knowledge base of the subject matter matches that of the poster you are disagreeing with. You can always expect that courtesy from me-

Respectfully submitted,
Blink
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Bobby62]

Cindy to press: "Why don't you get off my property! Why don't you just leave!"

I think she knows this is over.

We'll know something by tonight.

I partially agree with you. I think George has known what time it is for a while. I think the FBI bought Cindy a clock yesterday. I also think Lee is working with LE to try and get some truth from the lie fairy. I think the only reason they are fooling around now is to try and get a location on the small body.

We will get more bits and pieces for about a week and then Casey will be charged. Put me down for August 8th at 10:37 am. They have to re-test and dot some i's and cross a few t's first. The DA cannot afford to lose this one on a technicality.

How long can Lee talk to her without puking?

What happened to the tapes from her visit with Lee and Gma and Gpa? They exist but have not been released.

Last, I think Gma, Gpa, and Lee are as innocent as Calee.

[athy]

In what way do you feel they are protecting their daughter at the expense of their granddaughter? Are you privvy to their conversations with LE? They turned in their own daugher. They refused to lawyer up. They gave LE full access to whatever searches they want and documents they want and came to all meetings and answered all questions LE asked them.

Just because they are not saying what you want them to on TV does not mean they are not cooperating. The ONLY reason for them to be on TV is convince people to keep their eye out for CayLee (or possibly convince thier to daughter she can trust them to tell them things). Unfortunately for them that means having to defend crazy statements by their daughter to convince people there is a reasonable possibility Caylee is alive and to look out for her. LE has never indicated they think the Anthony's are lying to THEM.


telling everyone to call THEM instead of LE doesn't help the matter. i'm not saying they're involved or anything. i believe they are in a no win situation and don't know how to handle it. but i DO believe that some of the things they did have helped to hinder LE. probably out of ignorance and frustration but still didn't help any.

[Stoelly]

I noticed a change in Cindy last night. Something big happened today and I think after the interview with the FBI it helped Cindy put things in perspective.

Cindy has reacted like someone who wants her gd back. Someone who is frustrated and worried. I think she has been coping with all this by truly trying to keep Caylee's story at the top of the medias focus. And let me just say, Cindy has done an excellent job with that! (Just look at all the other developments in the news and theirs is still generating a huge buzz!)

The whole mess can be blamed on Casey's lies. Her parents unconditional love for her has clouded their logic. My heart aches for them. They need empathy and compassion. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone!

[Blink34]

In what way do you feel they are protecting their daughter at the expense of their granddaughter? Are you privvy to their conversations with LE? They turned in their own daugher. They refused to lawyer up. They gave LE full access to whatever searches they want and documents they want and came to all meetings and answered all questions LE asked them.

Just because they are not saying what you want them to on TV does not mean they are not cooperating. The ONLY reason for them to be on TV is convince people to keep their eye out for CayLee (or possibly convince thier to daughter she can trust them to tell them things). Unfortunately for them that means having to defend crazy statements by their daughter to convince people there is a reasonable possibility Caylee is alive and to look out for her. LE has never indicated they think the Anthony's are lying to THEM.

Would you be kind enough to provide the resources/links to the information that you are refuting? There are 35 threads here which are loaded with actual, verifiable information that any one of which (pick one)
contain numerous facts that do not support your opinion. Have a read already, or start your own thread for support of the Anthony's-
Your opinion is noted, let's move on

[ElizaAvalon]

snipped... LE has never indicated they think the Anthony's are lying to THEM.

Well, today I do think I heard exasperation about the Anthonys from Padilla. I am trying to find his statement on Fox about an hour ago. The anchor (don't remember who) played a tape of Cindy saying something and Padilla said something like "yeah, this is what we've been dealing with".

Anyone else catch it?

[tuppence]

I think that is why I am holding out hope that they were not involved or covering up for their daughter.

What do you make of the comments grandmom has made on TV?

I think she is stuck in an impossible situation. Her role in being on TV is to convince people to look for Caylee. To do that she needs to convince people that Casey's stories make sense and Caylee is alive regardless of any doubts she has. They (gma, gpa, lee) have been told so many conflicting things from Casey (often refuted by others) about what happened, where she was, etc. that it is impossible for her not to sound like she's contradicting herself.

Of course she's going to blame the media, try to get sound bites, focus on Caylee. She has clearly told the media everything useful she's heard from Casey - I don't think there's a lot to add. Her admitting to Casey's faults doesn't help anything - I'm sure her husband knows that the more sympatheitic casey seems, the more likely people will think Caylee is alive and look for her.

[ketel0ne]

Remember over 300 people are reading this thread and while you may have a gripe with another poster not all the other 300 people want to read about it.

[Hailiejade77]

What happened to the tapes from her visit with Lee and Gma and Gpa? They exist but have not been released.

I think they have some kind of "evidence" in them and they will use them at trial. JMO

[christine2448]

Thanks Christine- have any thoughts on the most recent developments?

Thoughts?? I have a lot of thoughts. My head is absolutely spinning. :crazy::crazy:

I started this new discussion thread, went to grab lunch, to the bank, come back and I have 8 pages to catch up on :)

Haven't heard back about any searches. Them not searching, is that the answer, there is no need and they know it?

I can't wrap my mind around what she could have done with Caylee.

I can't wrap my mind around all the news reports and the mom saying 'things are coming together', 'she is protecting us', 'she didn't harm Caylee'....then in the same articles I am reading LE is saying, 'if only Casey would talk to us and tell us where she is'.....ay yi yi. This is just the nutest case I believe I have ever witnessed!

[QuickAttack]

Remember over 300 people are reading this thread and while you may have a gripe with another poster not all the other 300 people want to read about it.

Thank you for saying what this newb didn't have the cajones to say.

[tuppence]

Would you be kind enough to provide the resources/links to the information that you are refuting? There are 35 threads here which are loaded with actual, verifiable information that any one of which (pick one)
contain numerous facts that do not support your opinion. Have a read already, or start your own thread for support of the Anthony's-
Your opinion is noted, let's move on

????? If you disagree then feel free to give facts that contradict it. I have followed this case from day one and am completely comfortable with I have stated. Please do not tell me to 'move on'. If people want to bash the Anthony's in this thread then it is entirely appropriate for someone to give opposing opinions. Having been a long time websleuths member I am very disappointed in how we have treated the Anthony's in this forum. it goes against what I believe the philosophy of the board is for how families of victims are supposed to be treated.

[ketel0ne]

I think she is stuck in an impossible situation. Her role in being on TV is to convince people to look for Caylee. To do that she needs to convince people that Casey's stories make sense and Caylee is alive regardless of any doubts she has. They (gma, gpa, lee) have been told so many conflicting things from Casey (often refuted by others) about what happened, where she was, etc. that it is impossible for her not to sound like she's contradicting herself.

Of course she's going to blame the media, try to get sound bites, focus on Caylee. She has clearly told the media everything useful she's heard from Casey - I don't think there's a lot to add. Her admitting to Casey's faults doesn't help anything - I'm sure her husband knows that the more sympatheitic casey seems, the more likely people will think Caylee is alive and look for her.

It is also impossible for her to know the truth since none of us do either. She prolly isn't reading 35 threads at websleuths or watching over 100 hours of TV coverage this case has gotten. I am sure the simple things we know would suprise her if she were in a normal state of mind. She knows what her mind has allowed her to know to continue on.

[ElizaAvalon]

I noticed a change in Cindy last night. Something big happened today and I think after the interview with the FBI it helped Cindy put things in perspective.

Yes.

Think about it. If the FBI spent 6 hours talking to the Anthonys yesterday and not asking questions, what could they have been saying?

How about, "This is why were are not pursuing this as a kidnapping: " <fill in the blanks>

That certainly can take several hours.

And when the conversation is over, they are faced with the truth.

And it breaks my heart for them. It really does. I feel very badly for Cindy that she so wanted to believe it wasn't true. You have to sympathize.

[Mendara]

Well IMHO Cindy has had the "Come to Jesus" talk this morning. She is either re-acting from sorrow, anger or fear that she is going to be arrested too.

What does come to jesus me?

[liltigress]

What does come to jesus me?

A 'moment of truth' so to speak.

[SuziQ]

OT - was just cleaning out PM's and just as i hit delete i think i noticed one that i had not read titled simply "Hello"... ack! if whoever sent it wants to resend it that would be great. sorry that i didnt get to see it. :)

I'm glad you're back. :)

[Beagle1]

It does appear that Cindy is lashing out, but it also appears to me that she is done with the media. It is an about face considering she was just on LKL last night.

If she is telling the media to go away, wouldn't that mean that she is discontinuing the effort to keep the public looking for Caylee. Am I reading too much into to her comments on return from LE?

[Bobby62]

Yes.

Think about it. If the FBI spent 6 hours talking to the Anthonys yesterday and not asking questions, what could they have been saying?

How about, "This is why were are not pursuing this as a kidnapping: " <fill in the blanks>

That certainly can take several hours.

And when the conversation is over, they are faced with the truth.

And it breaks my heart for them. It really does. I feel very badly for Cindy that she so wanted to believe it wasn't true. You have to sympathize.

I agree with all you said. I will add feeling bad for Lee and Gpa as well.

[FLjay]

I think Cindy is just very upset that LE is looking for evidence to charge Casey with murder... LE.

I'm thinking she is beyond this point now. Her concern all along has been to find Caylee and bring her home (meaning she would not entertain any thought that Casey could possibly harm her ... which led to some really strange outbursts and assertions).

Now they've had productive talks with LE, leading to more evidence seized, and now even more i's dotted and t's crossed, conclusions confirmed.

She must be exhausted, physically & emotionally drained.

[christine2448]

I'm weeping buckets. I just realized that finding out answers albeit necessary, is so painful. In contemplating the idea of that beautiful child losing her life, I just can't come to terms with it. I've struggled to maintain hope of her being alive (in denial of the signs of death indicated by the canines) and the possibility of losing that hope and learning the cause of death is horrid. Yet, I need to know what happened. KWIM?

It is hard. Up and down.

I'm sorry this is affecting you so hard today. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/hug005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Clearly Confused]

Does anybody else wonder about Cindy never being able to keep her pie hole shut!
Saying nothing would have kept us guessing. Her anger at reporters speaks volumes.
What a certified nut case.
She could be in some type of shock. Her granddaughter is missing and the police think her daughter is responsible. I am not sure how I would be acting. I'd be reaching for any possible scenario that didn't point to my daughter as well.

[athy]

It does appear that Cindy is lashing out, but it also appears to me that she is done with the media. It is an about face considering she was just on LKL last night.

If she is telling the media to go away, wouldn't that mean that she is discontinuing the effort to keep the public looking for Caylee. Am I reading too much into to her comments on return from LE?

i think she's frustrated and in a LOT of pain. i think many of us would be tired of all the media attention also. a part of us would want the attention on caylee and finding her but not necessaily on us as individuals. especially if she's finally coming to terms that its possible caylee isn't alive...i know if i were i would want to be left alone to be able to deal with that and prepare myself for that possibility.

[liljim]

someone metioned calls that have not been released but i cant find the post now;

i keep thinking back to the fact that she did get tony's number during that first call they released but we still dont know if they spoke. im sure she called but we dont know if he took the call.

could be one of two things;

it isnt being released because he is not believed to be involved and it is not pertinent (although they released the video of the visit with that bourgeios dude that isnt believed to be involved).

or, it isnt being released because the police filed for it not to be. which would imply it is of interest in the case.

anything im missing here?

[InsomniacWoman]

........I support that, just don't be rude to others who do not agree while you are stating your opinion, and of course make sure your knowledge base of the subject matter matches that of the poster you are disagreeing with. You can always expect that courtesy from me-

Respectfully submitted,
Blink


:clap::clap:

[Blink34]

????? If you disagree then feel free to give facts that contradict it. I have followed this case from day one and am completely comfortable with I have stated. Please do not tell me to 'move on'. If people want to bash the Anthony's in this thread then it is entirely appropriate for someone to give opposing opinions. Having been a long time websleuths member I am very disappointed in how we have treated the Anthony's in this forum. it goes against what I believe the philosophy of the board is for how families of victims are supposed to be treated.

Tuppence, I did not tell YOU to move on, I said LET"S move on, this is a thread for Caylee, not a forum for bickering, which imo, is what it is once you move past the disagreement phase. If your comfortable with your "opinion", that's all you need to say, but it can be said without rudeness, and that's my final thought on it. Back to topic

[SuziQ]

More details of where George and Cindy were this afternoon:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html

(snip)
George Anthony and the two detectives then got back into the car they arrived in and both them and the CSI van left the scene. Eyewitness News learned George Anthony returned to the sheriff's office where he and his wife Cindy were questioned until around 1:00pm. Investigators said were cooperative.

[liltigress]

It does appear that Cindy is lashing out, but it also appears to me that she is done with the media. It is an about face considering she was just on LKL last night.

If she is telling the media to go away, wouldn't that mean that she is discontinuing the effort to keep the public looking for Caylee. Am I reading too much into to her comments on return from LE?

I do no think you're reading too much into it. I got the same impression. It's almost like a kid that is pouting because he was caught in a lie. "Leave me alone, go away" sorta attitude.

IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO

[Adrienne37]

Well, based on Cindy's reaction this morning, I think the end is pretty near. Hopefully, we will have some answers in the hours to come. I pray that there is a good outcome for Caylee but I doubt that is going to be the case. Anyway, I wish they would throw Cindy right beside Casey in the slammer because she has done nothing from day #1 but obstruct justice in this case just as Casey has done. JMHO.

[passin_through]

I have no idea why they are collecting evidence now. I am just very happy to see [something/] happening! Prior to this it just looked like a stand-still, imo. I just want Caylee found and before it seemed the police were ticked that Casey wasn't helping so they sat down on their behinds and did nothing. I don't care who is lying, who is acting this way or that way...just look for Caylee already!!!

[SWAG1959]

The search for Caylee. That has got to be the highest priority for everyone (well maybe not for the person at fault) right now. I know we discussed that if they don't find her there is very little chance for the death penalty - and looking at the amount of elapsed time now - if they do find her - determining cause of death will be impossible - hence no death penalty. Regardless of the legal standpoint of finding this angel - my personal emotions is that this poor innocent angel needs ( no DEMANDS) that she be laid to rest properly. God - I hope they find her. It will be so hard to "keep on keeping on" without ever knowing where this poor child is.

[Blink34]

someone metioned calls that have not been released but i cant find the post now;

i keep thinking back to the fact that she did get tony's number during that first call they released but we still dont know if they spoke. im sure she called but we dont know if he took the call.

could be one of two things;

it isnt being released because he is not believed to be involved and it is not pertinent (although they released the video of the visit with that bourgeios dude that isnt believed to be involved).

or, it isnt being released because the police filed for it not to be. which would imply it is of interest in the case.

anything im missing here?

I actually think it is inreference to the visits between Casey and parents and Casey and Lee, the videos and sound of them. They were going to be relaeased by LE and then Det. Melich pulled them for review, I have not seen any more mention of them since..

[curiositycat]

What does come to jesus me?
It means that if you don't start doing the right thing this is what the result will be.
They call it "come to jesus" because some people like to tell others "If you don't come to jesus your life will have a bad outcome"

Hope that helps to understand.

[Mendara]

A 'moment of truth' so to speak.

okay thank you.

[gigi2009]

That benefit that's today is supposed to be held from 4pm till midnight. It will be very telling to me if the grandparents are there or not.

[Clearly Confused]

I think she is stuck in an impossible situation. Her role in being on TV is to convince people to look for Caylee. To do that she needs to convince people that Casey's stories make sense and Caylee is alive regardless of any doubts she has. They (gma, gpa, lee) have been told so many conflicting things from Casey (often refuted by others) about what happened, where she was, etc. that it is impossible for her not to sound like she's contradicting herself.

Of course she's going to blame the media, try to get sound bites, focus on Caylee. She has clearly told the media everything useful she's heard from Casey - I don't think there's a lot to add. Her admitting to Casey's faults doesn't help anything - I'm sure her husband knows that the more sympatheitic casey seems, the more likely people will think Caylee is alive and look for her.
Thanks.

[Medea]

????? If you disagree then feel free to give facts that contradict it. I have followed this case from day one and am completely comfortable with I have stated. Please do not tell me to 'move on'. If people want to bash the Anthony's in this thread then it is entirely appropriate for someone to give opposing opinions. Having been a long time websleuths member I am very disappointed in how we have treated the Anthony's in this forum. it goes against what I believe the philosophy of the board is for how families of victims are supposed to be treated.

While I agree with you that the Anthony's had nothing to do with Caylee's disappearance and that the speculation about their involvement in her death, or an actual cover up seems to be pretty wild and based on nothing....

I do think that the Anthony's having gone out and defended their daughter's many lies and complained about LE not investigating the case propertly, and because the mother gave so many interviews where she 100% defendned her daughter's innocence in spite of strong, strong evidence that no babysitter kidnapped Caylee opens them up to a fair degree of criticism.

I'm staying off this thread though, having already been told off for being mean and witchy.

[Nana46]

Thank you all for being here and doing all you do...I only wish I had found this website during the Ramsey and Laci Peterson cases.....I sure could have understood things maybe a little better.

[LorinMarie]

Well, based on Cindy's reaction this morning, I think the end is pretty near. Hopefully, we will have some answers in the hours to come. I pray that there is a good outcome for Caylee but I doubt that is going to be the case. Anyway, I wish they would throw Cindy right beside Casey in the slammer because she has done nothing from day #1 but obstruct justice in this case just as Casey has done. JMHO.

Hi Adrienne could you please point me to the post or article describing where you mention Cindy's reactions this morning? This board moves so fast I have a hard time finding things :)

[Mendara]

Cindy reminds me of my mom, highly emotional when anything that is hers is threatened. I strongly believe Cindy believes her daughter and when it all turns out to be a lie and the truth is so horrendous, I think Cindy will lose her mind. I feel terrible for that. My heart aches, because Cindy is a mother whose daughter has repeadely let her down as was apparent in her blog posting. I think she is just holding out hope that her daughter may be a good person and that this crazy story is true. I think Lee and George know that it is not, but Cindy is very fragile her sanity resting at the very edge.

My mother is like this - she will lie to protect us even if she knows we are wrong and she will believe our lies until there is proof, solid proof and then she is so sad that her kids are f**k ups. Not that we ever did anything remotely as terrible as this.

[Nicole_LongIsland]

Thoughts?? I have a lot of thoughts. My head is absolutely spinning. :crazy::crazy:

I started this new discussion thread, went to grab lunch, to the bank, come back and I have 8 pages to catch up on :)

Haven't heard back about any searches. Them not searching, is that the answer, there is no need and they know it?

I can't wrap my mind around what she could have done with Caylee.

I can't wrap my mind around all the news reports and the mom saying 'things are coming together', 'she is protecting us', 'she didn't harm Caylee'....then in the same articles I am reading LE is saying, 'if only Casey would talk to us and tell us where she is'.....ay yi yi. This is just the nutest case I believe I have ever witnessed!

ITA. The case somewhat reminds me of darly routier case and the susan smith case.

[Nedthan Johns]

Mendara:

I agree with what you said. I think Cindy is just holding out that somehow this isn't all happening.

[kathyn2]

I think LE checked out everything the Anthony's told them yesterday and the day before and none of it checked out. More lies by Casey to her family etc etc. Everything Cindy gave them probably proved false and they told the family today. I am sure this has wiped Cindy out. I feel really bad for her and her family but the truth needs to come out on this case. I don't think Casey will ever tell the truth to her family or LE and will string them along as long as she can and LE is moving on without her. I think once it is proven that somehow poor little caylee is dead that Casey will come up with some other lie on how she died and try to convince her family of it. ie, someone else did it and she was afraid for the family or something...

[Bobby62]

That benefit that's today is supposed to be held from 4pm till midnight. It will be very telling to me if the grandparents are there or not.

I think they said they will be there. I also think they are due some alone time.

Let me thank you all for being here...

[ElizaAvalon]

She could be in some type of shock. Her granddaughter is missing and the police think her daughter is responsible. I am not sure how I would be acting. I'd be reaching for any possible scenario that didn't point to my daughter as well.

Yes.

Once Cindy believes what 99.9% of the people who know about this case believe, she has lost not just her grandchild, but her own child as well.

That makes me really, really sad.

[gigi2009]

Looking over the video and picture footage something has struck me about Casey. SHe is truly ENJOYing the attention. She's certainly a narcissist however she comes across as getting a real kick from being so deceptive. It seems like she's glad of the power she has over everyone.

[Nana46]

Cindy reminds me of my mom, highly emotional when anything that is hers is threatened. I strongly believe Cindy believes her daughter and when it all turns out to be a lie and the truth is so horrendous, I think Cindy will lose her mind. I feel terrible for that. My heart aches, because Cindy is a mother whose daughter has repeadely let her down as was apparent in her blog posting. I think she is just holding out hope that her daughter may be a good person and that this crazy story is true. I think Lee and George know that it is not, but Cindy is very fragile her sanity resting at the very edge.

My mother is like this - she will lie to protect us even if she knows we are wrong and she will believe our lies until there is proof, solid proof and then she is so sad that her kids are f**k ups. Not that we ever did anything remotely as terrible as this.
Interesting...my mother loved me but you let someone tell her I did something wrong and I did it!!! My mother believed if there is smoke there is fire and you can be dang sure I received punishment if she believed I had done something,lol...of course these were tiny things done in the 50's,lol

[Lyn1001]

This entire case has my head spinning. In regards to Cindy, I go back and forth on what I think. Looking at everything she has said and done, it's obvious there have been lies and manipulation. HOWEVER, the reasoning behind it is what's a mystery. Is she doing it to show Casey she's on her (Casey's) side? Especially after her first jail conversation with Casey. It's really hard to know. I know everyone on this board is having high emotions right now, so I can only imagine what the family is feeling. Whatever reason Cindy has for the way she has acted, I think that she, either purposefully or inadvertently, has hindered the investigation and frustrated many people. IMHO, that's why there has been so much backlash towards her. I am sure there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. Unfortunately, that has made us frustrated beyond belief and we latch onto what we do know and can take our frustration on.
All of this is just my opinion, please don't flame me!! I would use the little smiley waving the white flag, but don't know where to find it. =)

[UCFAlumni2002]

that had to have changed in the recent years- it was the same way when I grew up- which was the 80s/90s... if someone said i did it, there was no question. I was just punished.

[gigi2009]

I think they said they will be there. I also think they are due some alone time.

Let me thank you all for being here...




We'll have to wait and see! My vote is that they are NOT going to be there because today something happened that turned Cindy away from the cameras and I think the truth is finally dawning on her.

[tuppence]

I do think that the Anthony's having gone out and defended their daughter's many lies and complained about LE not investigating the case propertly, and because the mother gave so many interviews where she 100% defendned her daughter's innocence in spite of strong, strong evidence that no babysitter kidnapped Caylee opens them up to a fair degree of criticism.


I understand why people are frustrated by them I just think there is a logical reason (besides the obvious psychological ones!) for them to not be the ones trying to cast doubt on Casey's stories and in fact having to be the ones to prop her up so that others will search. I agree that Cindy has been overboard and unsympathetic in her approach but I still think the venom spewed toward her on this board is appalling.

[Clearly Confused]

Yes.

Once Cindy believes what 99.9% of the people who know about this case believe, she has lost not just her grandchild, but her own child as well.

That makes me really, really sad.

I can not even imagine the state that she will be in.

[Salem]

Well, based on Cindy's reaction this morning, I think the end is pretty near. Hopefully, we will have some answers in the hours to come. I pray that there is a good outcome for Caylee but I doubt that is going to be the case. Anyway, I wish they would throw Cindy right beside Casey in the slammer because she has done nothing from day #1 but obstruct justice in this case just as Casey has done. JMHO.

Adrienne - this is not directed to you personally, but is a response to this type of comment.

I think it is a little unfair to throw Cindy Anthony to wolves like this. I really believe Cindy is hanging on to her own sanity the only way she can. She is in a hellish situation. It is obvious she loved her granddaughter. She also loves her daughter and she is having a very, very difficult time coming to terms with what is happening here. What mother wants to believe their child is a murderer? I try to put myself in her shoes and I have to say, I would defend my child to the ends of the earth. I would not give in or give up until I was confronted with absolute proof and then, I am quite certain I would be absolutely destroyed and I don't think I would ever recover. If this were me and I had to face these facts, I'm certain it would be the end of me as I now know myself.

I do understand your frustration and don't want to make light of it, I just can empathize with Cindy Anthony's position and wish others would try to also.

I send lots of prayers to the Anthony family and prayers for finding Caylee, where ever she might be. I'll let Casey alone to find her own way.

Salem

[RR0004]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html There's the link the to story that that comment is in.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office will not say how close they are to finding 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, but according to one investigator they need more hard evidence.

"Anything that we can get, any new information at all, whether it is from the lab or tips, that helps us find Caylee that much quicker," said Carlos Padilla of the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
So it's not that they need more hard evidence to charge Casey...just in finding where Caylee may be?

[Elley Mae]

All I'll say is: if Casey were my daughter,I'd be in jail and I don't think she'd be able to visit me.

[mysteriew]

I think it is especially appropriate that the news of a chat with Mark Klaas is posted here. If anyone remembers, many people suspected him when Polly went missing. But he didn't do it. Moral is, we don't always know what is happening behind the scenes, why it is happening or what is going on in people's minds.

I myself always try to look at things from my child's point of view. And I have found that I am capable of more denial than I like. So in that, I can sympathize with Cindy. Could I admit publically that I believed I had lost a grandchild, and lost her at the hands of a daughter I loved? I don't know. Probably not if there was any hope of another possibility.

Knowing that, I am not ready to blame the Anthony's yet. Because in my heart I don't really know if they fully into delusion- trying to believe they hadn't lost their granddaughter and that their daughter was not capable of killing her, trying to support their daughter in the hopes that she will finally open up to them, or whether they are trying to find some way to protect their daughter. Only LE knows what the Anthony's are telling them and how truthful they are being.

All I know is that I Thank God that I am not in the Anthony's shoes. And I pray that I never will be.

[curiositycat]

I think they said they will be there. I also think they are due some alone time.

Let me thank you all for being here...

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/00b9a680/463c5922

With all due respect. Please put things in perspective here. They went out of there way, from the beginning of time to get the media attention. While they need some alone time now they have to realize that there actions are causing the media attention they are now receiving.
They should have gotten a family spokesperson.
You can't have it both ways.
There is some personal responsibility for this situation that they have to take.
Media is just following up on what they started.
IMHO

[Clearly Confused]

Adrienne - this is not directed to you personally, but is a response to this type of comment.

I think it is a little unfair to throw Cindy Anthony to wolves like this. I really believe Cindy is hanging on to her own sanity the only way she can. She is in a hellish situation. It is obvious she loved her granddaughter. She also loves her daughter and she is having a very, very difficult time coming to terms with what is happening here. What mother wants to believe their child is a murderer? I try to put myself in her shoes and I have to say, I would defend my child to the ends of the earth. I would not give in or give up until I was confronted with absolute proof and then, I am quite certain I would be absolutely destroyed and I don't think I would ever recover. If this were me and I had to face these facts, I'm certain it would be the end of me as I now know myself.

I do understand your frustration and don't want to make light of it, I just can empathize with Cindy Anthony's position and wish others would try to also.

I send lots of prayers to the Anthony family and prayers for finding Caylee, where ever she might be. I'll let Casey alone to find her own way.

Salem

Great post Salem!