Questions for fellow websleuthers

[Theonly1]

In reference to the babysitters names, I for one do not recalled anyone knowing her name. Up until the night of the 911 calls IIRC Cindy says on the phone "Zanny" I think that is all anyone ever heard. Cindy is not being truthful IMO about knowing of the sitter all this time. Know one had ever seen the sitter,and the two people that Casey said did know her don't exist,or where out of the picture before Caylee was born. Casey had 31 days too come up with this story before she was confronted by Cindy,telling her friends the little stuff ( Caylee's at the beach,Caylee's at my Mom's, etc.) was easy.

But isn't it completely odd that by the time they (the A's) do their statements on July 16 they ALL have no trouble with not only(George states "Zany") and Lee knows Jeffrey H as well!

[wonderer]

This has been discussed and people who owned similar sheds said that it would be really easy to open...no need for a shovel.

Oookay. Could you link me please? I've read through thousands of pages on this forum and haven't seen any verification of the things that I asked here. It'd be appreciated, if only to sate my curiosity. :)

Are there any closeup pictures of the shed as it currently is?

[secreteye]

It was after CA came home with Caylee.
Judging from the fact that CA went to dinner after the trip to visit her parents, I'm guessing the arguement would have been in the evening.



Is Cindy the last one "officially" seen with Caylee???
Did anyone - besides family - see Casey at the Anthony home on June 15, evening??? Could it have been Cindy and George that the neighbors heard loudly fighting that evening?//

[secreteye]

To me she sounds like a person who has had too much too drink and is over annunciating her words so she doesn't appear to be slurring.


Does anyone know if Casey was in any kind of theatre/acting classes in high school? The reason I ask is because my daughter talks like this alot, and I am sure that is where she got it.

[texassunshine]

I haven't seen this anywhere so I am going to ask... has anyone heard or seen the name Manny involved with this case or possibly linked to Casey's groups, myspace, or facebook pages?

[karenmamo]

Has anyone come up with a picture of Baez holding Casey's hand? Driving me nutz.
Help???
TIA

[TxRose]

To me she sounds like a person who has had too much too drink and is over annunciating her words so she doesn't appear to be slurring.

To me it sounds like someone who is trying to appear more intelligent and articulate. She uses technical terms instead of more common phrases as if she is attempting to gain more respect and command more authority. It is like she is always trying to speak more "precisely". I think she concentrates more on each word she chooses than the average person - while she keeps her emotions in check. That's probably how she has earned to lie so well! Notice how her language changes though when she does get more emotional -like in some of her jail calls. Her guard goes down and she starts using things like "OMG" and four-letter words. She clearly sounds less intelligent then.

[secreteye]

I haven't seen this anywhere so I am going to ask... has anyone heard or seen the name Manny involved with this case or possibly linked to Casey's groups, myspace, or facebook pages?


I could be wrong, but IIRC, "Manny" was Mike W. nickname.
Correct me if I'm wrong, guys....

[texassunshine]

I am pretty new to the site and have not read through all the docs. I might as well say why I am asking... I had this flash last night as I was thinking about this case after having listened to some of the LE interview... Could Zanny actually be a code or clue KC is trying to give out that may actually be close to the "actual" person's name she is referring to? Am I making any sense?

[black poodle]

i have a question probably a dumb one but how do they go to the grocery store and out to run errands, pay bills ect.....I can't see any of them going into the local supermarket with out being mobbed

[Pink Panther]

I could be wrong, but IIRC, "Manny" was Mike W.s nickname.
Correct me if I'm wrong, guys....

I haven't heard this but I have heard of a reference to a "Manny" as one of LA and his girlfriends' friends.

[texassunshine]

I just had a hunch and now I am going to research it a little more, thanks for the answer!

[Starr58]

Is Cindy the last one "officially" seen with Caylee???
Did anyone - besides family - see Casey at the Anthony home on June 15, evening??? Could it have been Cindy and George that the neighbors heard loudly fighting that evening?//

Did anybody other George and Cindy indicate that Caylee and Casey were there on June 16th?? Remember the interview where Cindy squeezed George's leg when he is speaking about Casey and Caylee leaving that day during his favorite show?

Could the fight have been between Casey, Cindy and George over what happened to Caylee? Remember the call between Casey and Cindy where Casey says : "you don't know my involvement in this?" as if Casey is surprised by Cindy acting as if she knows nothing about it. :waitasec:

IMO there is a possibility that Cindy, george and Casey all might have been involved from the beginning. Maybe the "script" was written by all three of them.:waitasec:

JMO

[wonderer]

I just wanted to know if anyone had seen this?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive

According to the document listed above, there was a Burglary/Stolen Vehicle reported 6/24-6/26 - the only thing is that there is a typo on this sheet. I don't know if it's supposed to be 6/24/06, 6/24/08, 6/26/06, or 6/26/08, or if they're both typos.

Sorry if it's already been posted. I've been reading through almost everything I can, and it's the first time I've seen this.

[JBean]

Oookay. Could you link me please? I've read through thousands of pages on this forum and haven't seen any verification of the things that I asked here. It'd be appreciated, if only to sate my curiosity. :)

Are there any closeup pictures of the shed as it currently is?
HI wonderer, if no one is able to answer your questions, would you consider using the search function to find the answers to some of your questions?

for example, in this case i would search this forum, titles only for the word
shovel
and see what detailed information you can find.
if that doesn't yield results try searching entire posts and narrow it down.

[JBean]

I have a question, and not sure where would be best to post it. I was wondering, do we have any proof that Casey used the shovel to dig in dirt? Was the shovel ever returned, and if so, did it have any new dirt or gouges in it?

Or, alternatively, do we know the date that Casey borrowed the gas cans?

I was thinking, maybe she borrowed the shovel to break the lock on the shed (assuming that she couldn't find the key that day and it's a padlock) to get the gas cans, rather than using the shovel to (dig a grave, dig something up).
gas can info (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69807&highlight=gas+cans)
More gas can info (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68381&highlight=gas+cans)
Shovel info (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70514&highlight=shovel)
hope that helps.

[RR0004]

Oookay. Could you link me please? I've read through thousands of pages on this forum and haven't seen any verification of the things that I asked here. It'd be appreciated, if only to sate my curiosity. :)

Are there any closeup pictures of the shed as it currently is?
Sorry, I didn't respond sooner. This would be on very early "general" threads...yikes I'll try over the weekend. If you look at the early Greta interview where CA takes her on a tour outside, I believe you'll see the shed.

[JBean]

I just wanted to know if anyone had seen this?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive

According to the document listed above, there was a Burglary/Stolen Vehicle reported 6/24-6/26 - the only thing is that there is a typo on this sheet. I don't know if it's supposed to be 6/24/06, 6/24/08, 6/26/06, or 6/26/08, or if they're both typos.

Sorry if it's already been posted. I've been reading through almost everything I can, and it's the first time I've seen this.
Might be more info in here
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70289&highlight=calls

[RR0004]

I just wanted to know if anyone had seen this?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive

According to the document listed above, there was a Burglary/Stolen Vehicle reported 6/24-6/26 - the only thing is that there is a typo on this sheet. I don't know if it's supposed to be 6/24/06, 6/24/08, 6/26/06, or 6/26/08, or if they're both typos.

Sorry if it's already been posted. I've been reading through almost everything I can, and it's the first time I've seen this.
I'd go by what's on the police website for official reports:

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

ETA: ok, now this is funny (or very dumb on my part!)...I thought they were reporting a problem with their stove. Hey, at least I can laugh at myself. Duh? I have no idea if it was a typo. The car was reported stolen the 7/15. I find the A's history of calling 911 very telling, especially as to what's been happening of late.

[AZRiverRat]

Im looking for a photo of a shovel that was found next to a bridge. I dont know which team took the photo. IIRC it was a small independent group.

The search dates would have been between 7/20-8/15.

Thanks!

[JBean]

Im looking for a photo of a shovel that was found next to a bridge. I dont know which team took the photo. IIRC it was a small independent group.

There were also photos of several articles of women's clothing.

The search dates would have been between 7/20-8/15.

Thanks!
Might be something in here for you
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69153&highlight=backpacks

[Ezryder9]

I'm bringing this over from the time line thread, 'cause I didn't get any help there. I've probably asked these questions 3 or more times in 3 or more different places. Guess soon I'll have to admit to myself there aren't any answers! TIA for any help you can offer me:

Starting out, I may well have overlooked the answers to my time line questions. I've looked, but I'm not sure I'm capable of reading every word of every thread. (Just being totally honest, there...)

June 26: Is there any substantiation that this is the actual date the car was abandoned? I understand the Amscot lady said she 'noticed' it on the 27th. Do we know if she worked that Thursday before? Could the car have been abandoned sometime before June 27 and after the time GA saw KC on the 24th and just not noticed by the employee until the 27th? And by substantiation, I mean anything other than A-words.

When did TL pick KC up at Amscot? I remember LP saying that it was on the 27th, IIRC, in the morning, and that she had groceries. I have a problem with that...if the car was noticed at 7:00 a.m. and she wasn't picked up until later in the morning, what was she doing in the intervening hours?

Who was, other than the immediate family, the last one with whom KC and Caylee spent the night, and what night was that?

I remember hearing one of the talking heads on NG, I think it was, who said that one thing LE was going to have to prove was KC's 'control' over the car. I guess that's the main reason I'm interested in pinning down the abandoned/picked up dates, substantiated by a source a bit more reliable than the A's. TIA.

[JBean]

I'm bringing this over from the time line thread, 'cause I didn't get any help there. I've probably asked these questions 3 or more times in 3 or more different places. Guess soon I'll have to admit to myself there aren't any answers! TIA for any help you can offer me:

Starting out, I may well have overlooked the answers to my time line questions. I've looked, but I'm not sure I'm capable of reading every word of every thread. (Just being totally honest, there...)

June 26: Is there any substantiation that this is the actual date the car was abandoned? I understand the Amscot lady said she 'noticed' it on the 27th. Do we know if she worked that Sunday? Could the car have been abandoned sometime before June 27 and after the time GA saw KC on the 24th? And by substantiation, I mean anything other than A-words.

When did TL pick KC up at Amscot? I remember LP saying that it was on the 27th, IIRC, in the morning, and that she had groceries. I have a problem with that...if the car was noticed at 7:00 a.m. and she wasn't picked up until later in the morning, what was she doing in the intervening hours?

Who was, other than the immediate family, the last one with whom KC and Caylee spent the night, and what night was that?

I remember hearing one of the talking heads on NG, I think it was, who said that one thing LE was going to have to prove was KC's 'control' over the car. I guess that's the main reason I'm interested in pinning down the abandoned/picked up dates, substantiated by a source a bit more reliable than the A's. TIA.
did you check through the 400 pages index for any of this?

[halleyscomet]

Oookay. Could you link me please? I've read through thousands of pages on this forum and haven't seen any verification of the things that I asked here. It'd be appreciated, if only to sate my curiosity. :)

Are there any closeup pictures of the shed as it currently is?

Maybe in Greta transcripts? I'll see if I can find it.

[halleyscomet]

Can someone please tell me what ETA in a post means?

[Ezryder9]

did you check through the 400 pages index for any of this?

JB, I did. I don't recall seeing a thing in there. Of course, my eyes crossed back and forth so many times there's a chance I missed it!

And o/t -- did you go back to the female bounty hunter thread? A couple of us answered questions you had posted.

[JBean]

Can anyone help me out with this--Is there a D.B.C entertainment thread? I have used search but came up with blanks. Maybe I'm not searching right? If there's a DBC thread, could someone kindly pitch me a link? tia

I'm not being lazy, stupid but not lazy, I've searched and had goose eggs.if you do an "advanced search" for "this forum" for "titles only" and put in entertainment as your key term, there are several threads. Just be sure you do not resurrect any gang conversation.

link to title only search:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?f=166

[JBean]

Does anyone know if Casey was in any kind of theatre/acting classes in high school? The reason I ask is because my daughter talks like this alot, and I am sure that is where she got it.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71372&highlight=colonial

[RR0004]

I'm bringing this over from the time line thread, 'cause I didn't get any help there. I've probably asked these questions 3 or more times in 3 or more different places. Guess soon I'll have to admit to myself there aren't any answers! TIA for any help you can offer me:

Starting out, I may well have overlooked the answers to my time line questions. I've looked, but I'm not sure I'm capable of reading every word of every thread. (Just being totally honest, there...)

June 26: Is there any substantiation that this is the actual date the car was abandoned? I understand the Amscot lady said she 'noticed' it on the 27th. Do we know if she worked that Thursday before? Could the car have been abandoned sometime before June 27 and after the time GA saw KC on the 24th and just not noticed by the employee until the 27th? And by substantiation, I mean anything other than A-words.

When did TL pick KC up at Amscot? I remember LP saying that it was on the 27th, IIRC, in the morning, and that she had groceries. I have a problem with that...if the car was noticed at 7:00 a.m. and she wasn't picked up until later in the morning, what was she doing in the intervening hours?

Who was, other than the immediate family, the last one with whom KC and Caylee spent the night, and what night was that?

I remember hearing one of the talking heads on NG, I think it was, who said that one thing LE was going to have to prove was KC's 'control' over the car. I guess that's the main reason I'm interested in pinning down the abandoned/picked up dates, substantiated by a source a bit more reliable than the A's. TIA.
Ok...no substantiation about when EXACTLY the car was left. The thinking that it was left on the evening of the 26th or very early morning hours on the 27th is for the very fact that the Amscot employee said she noticed it when she got to work on the 27th. You're right there is a discrepency between 7:00 am (or any other time for that matter) and when TL picked her up...which I thought was between 11a-1p. Casey also said that 2 guys helped her push the car, but that has never been substantiated. So, unfortunately...there is IMO no exact time/proof as to when she left the vehicle. If she did leave it sometime on the 26th, early morning 27th- the "Where did she go?" is a very good question. LP intimated that she may have gone to a motel the evening of the 26th. It would be interesting to see what info comes from MH as he was the last one to talk to her via cell on the evening of the 26th. Wonder if she told him where she was at? The whole end of June is sketchy for me. As far as who Casey and Caylee spent the night with OTHER than family...don't know. I know it's been talked about how they stayed at Ricardo's apt. while they dated (through April?), but after that, couldn't say.

[RR0004]

Can someone please tell me what ETA in a post means?
"edited to add"

[halleyscomet]

did you check through the 400 pages index for any of this?

I wonder if there was video footage at Amscott or surrounding stores that showed KC actually pulling in (or having someone push her in, as she claimed) to the Amscott parking spot. I don't know if this has ever been mentioned.

I don't think anyone knows where KC was between the time the car was dropped off and the time AL picked her up. I also wonder if anyone has come forward to say that they assisted her in pushing the car into the lot. If they had their faces right by the trunk I wonder if they smelled anything.

I'm still not sure if Caylee spent the night of the 15th with G&CA or if she spent the night with KC somewhere else, or did KC and Caylee both sleep at home.

Sorry I wasn't much help. I seem to have asked more questions instead of answering yours! :bang:

[halleyscomet]

"edited to add"

Thank you! That's been driving me crazy!:crazy:

[JBean]

JB, I did. I don't recall seeing a thing in there. Of course, my eyes crossed back and forth so many times there's a chance I missed it!

And o/t -- did you go back to the female bounty hunter thread? A couple of us answered questions you had posted.I did see that thank you very much.

You can search the forum by key terms that relate to your questions. I will try looking for you tomorrow. I hurt my hand and I am having trouble typing.

[Ezryder9]

Ok...no substantiation about when EXACTLY the car was left. The thinking that it was left on the evening of the 26th or very early morning hours on the 27th is for the very fact that the Amscot employee said she noticed it when she got to work on the 27th. You're right there is a discrepency between 7:00 am (or any other time for that matter) and when TL picked her up...which I thought was between 11a-1p. Casey also said that 2 guys helped her push the car, but that has never been substantiated. So, unfortunately...there is IMO no exact time/proof as to when she left the vehicle. If she did leave it sometime on the 26th, early morning 27th- the "Where did she go?" is a very good question. LP intimated that she may have gone to a motel the evening of the 26th. It would be interesting to see what info comes from MH as he was the last one to talk to her via cell on the evening of the 26th. Wonder if she told him where she was at. The whole end of June is sketchy for me. As far as who Casey and Caylee spent the night with OTHER than family...don't know. I know it's been talked about how they stayed at Ricardo's apt. while they dated (through April?), but after that, couldn't say.

Thanks so much for that. I've been checking into the time line threads and everywhere, and just have not been able to get that settled in my mind. I guess what concerns me so much is one statement by the talking head who said that LE is going to have to confirm the, in essence, change of custody of the car.

But your answer gives rise to another question: Do we know when MH left to go back to CA?

[JBean]

Is Cindy the last one "officially" seen with Caylee???
Did anyone - besides family - see Casey at the Anthony home on June 15, evening??? Could it have been Cindy and George that the neighbors heard loudly fighting that evening?//http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70311&highlight=timeline

[RR0004]

Thank you! That's been driving me crazy!:crazy:
No problem...it took me a while to figure it out in the beginning. I think there used to be a thread about all the lingo. I could use a refresher course...I'll go look.

[RR0004]

Thanks so much for that. I've been checking into the time line threads and everywhere, and just have not been able to get that settled in my mind. I guess what concerns me so much is one statement by the talking head who said that LE is going to have to confirm the, in essence, change of custody of the car.

But your answer gives rise to another question: Do we know when MH left to go back to CA?
Hate to answer a question with a question...wasn't he out there to begin with?

[Ezryder9]

I did see that thank you very much.

You can search the forum by key terms that relate to your questions. I will try looking for you tomorrow. I hurt my hand and I am having trouble typing.

Thank you, JBean. I think I'm going to do some serious re-reading and listening on this subject, because I feel like it's going to become an important issue. If I find out anything else, I'll post.

Take care of that hand!

[RR0004]

Thanks so much for that. I've been checking into the time line threads and everywhere, and just have not been able to get that settled in my mind. I guess what concerns me so much is one statement by the talking head who said that LE is going to have to confirm the, in essence, change of custody of the car.

But your answer gives rise to another question: Do we know when MH left to go back to CA?
Well, leaving the car was a smart move when you think about it. I'm not so sure Casey was smart enough to think of that all by herself. She sure was quick to say she didn't "abandon" the car during the interview...nor did she want the location of the car tied to the check cashing business. I know someone mentioned they felt as if some parts of the tapes were missing. Wonder if the "checks" were brought up at any point during the day she was with police? She sure jumped all over the question about the car, though.

[JBean]

I haven't seen this anywhere so I am going to ask... has anyone heard or seen the name Manny involved with this case or possibly linked to Casey's groups, myspace, or facebook pages?
If you do a search of this forum using manny as the key term and search entire posts, you will get a handful of threads.
Then,you can then search each of those with the "search by thread" function for the name manny and see what comes up.

start here

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?f=166

[Ezryder9]

Hate to answer a question with a question...wasn't he out there to begin with?

LOL. That's no problem. But thing is, I don't have an answer for that -- or even another question, for that matter!

[technicalconfusion]

Can someone please tell me what ETA in a post means?

Edited to add.

[JBean]

Thank you, JBean. I think I'm going to do some serious re-reading and listening on this subject, because I feel like it's going to become an important issue. If I find out anything else, I'll post.

Take care of that hand!TY!
lots of info in here

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69992&highlight=dumpster

[TURBOTHINK]

But isn't it completely odd that by the time they (the A's) do their statements on July 16 they ALL have no trouble with not only (George states "Zany") and Lee knows Jeffrey H as well!

Something I have always found interesting is how Casey told that she found Zanny though JH and that this woman was the nanny for his son. She went into elaborate detail how the nanny kept Caylee at his house with his son for a while.

The man has NO SON. He has not children at all.

[halleyscomet]

Sorry, I didn't respond sooner. This would be on very early "general" threads...yikes I'll try over the weekend. If you look at the early Greta interview where CA takes her on a tour outside, I believe you'll see the shed.

Here is a link to the Greta interview and they show and discuss the sheds.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963763&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/caylee/index.html

[RR0004]

Thank you! That's been driving me crazy!:crazy:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68412&highlight=abbreviations

here you go

[halleyscomet]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68412&highlight=abbreviations

here you go

Thanks, RR, this is very helpful!:):)

[RR0004]

LOL. That's no problem. But thing is, I don't have an answer for that -- or even another question, for that matter!
Are you saying when did he get stationed there? I know when she was doing all the calling/texting he was out in California. It was falsely reported BTW that he had worked at Universal as a security guard during the NG show tonight, but later cleared up...so "not the daddy" if that's what you're thinking.

[Ezryder9]

Well, leaving the car was a smart move when you think about it. I'm not so sure Casey was smart enough to think of that all by herself. She sure was quick to say she didn't "abandon" the car during the interview...nor did she want the location of the car tied to the check cashing business. I know someone mentioned they felt as if some parts of the tapes were missing. Wonder if the "checks" were brought up at any point during the day she was with police? She sure jumped all over the question about the car, though.

It's pretty bad when I read my post that you're answering and see a big typo! That was supposed to be 'chain' of custody of the car!

Anyway, back to the car. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the tapes are missing. I still wonder if what LE is releasing is related, strictly, to the child endangerment charge, since nothing else has been charged -- yet. I also wonder if that's why there's no big discussion about the car in the 400 page docs.

But I'm really becoming obsessed about this whole car issue. I've gotta stop and give credit where credit's due -- my hubby asked me this question about a week ago. I was all ready to spout out an answer, then realized I didn't have one. Ergo, my obsession! Plus the question has been raised as to whether KC had an accomplice. If she did in fact run out of gas and called TL, wouldn't he most likely have offered to bring her some gas instead of picking her up? I'm beginning to really question the accomplice theory, and have it kinda stuck in my mind that if there is one, it could be TL, although I'll grant you, an unknowing accomplice. What if, when he came to get her, she said something like, 'oh, by the way, I have a big bag of trash in my trunk. Would you pitch it in this dumpster for me?" Things that make you go, hmmmmmmmmm.

[RR0004]

Thanks, RR, this is very helpful!:):)
Whatever you do...don't venture on the "donation" thread...your head will explode!! I've yet to figure out what language they're speaking. LOL

ETA (heehee)...you're very welcome!

[RR0004]

It's pretty bad when I read my post that you're answering and see a big typo! That was supposed to be 'chain' of custody of the car!

Anyway, back to the car. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the tapes are missing. I still wonder if what LE is releasing is related, strictly, to the child endangerment charge, since nothing else has been charged -- yet. I also wonder if that's why there's no big discussion about the car in the 400 page docs.

But I'm really becoming obsessed about this whole car issue. I've gotta stop and give credit where credit's due -- my hubby asked me this question about a week ago. I was all ready to spout out an answer, then realized I didn't have one. Ergo, my obsession! Plus the question has been raised as to whether KC had an accomplice. If she did in fact run out of gas and called TL, wouldn't he most likely have offered to bring her some gas instead of picking her up? I'm beginning to really question the accomplice theory, and have it kinda stuck in my mind that if there is one, it could be TL, although I'll grant you, an unknowing accomplice. What if, when he came to get her, she said something like, 'oh, by the way, I have a big bag of trash in my trunk. Would you pitch it in this dumpster for me?" Things that make you go, hmmmmmmmmm.
Don't worry...I knew what you meant...typo and all! Your questions are very valid. It has been discussed as to why TL didn't just bring gas...but I would imagine he didn't know about the "no gas" part until he got there if at all. Casey probably just let him know that the car broke down. He did ask if he wanted her to take a look at it (per interviews), but she said that her father would come and get it. Then, she went into further discussion later on about where it was being repaired and actually told him who was working on it. My hinky meter always goes off when Casey gives more information than necessary. Don't know enough about TL...but he wasn't too smooth in his interview with police IMO.

[Ezryder9]

Are you saying when did he get stationed there? I know when she was doing all the calling/texting he was out in California. It was falsely reported BTW that he had worked at Universal as a security guard during the NG show tonight, but later cleared up...so "not the daddy" if that's what you're thinking.

In all honest, I guess I missed a whole thread or something, 'cause I'm not all that familiar with MH. I caught the correction on NG, though; I had jotted that down. The other comment that was made on the show tonight was the LP comment about the 'former security guard' wanting immunity. That generated a thread unto itself!!!

So, yes, if you would, the cliff notes on MH. I haven't enough brain cells left to get into Brandon yet. :)

[Ezryder9]

Halley, I'm going to volunteer a second to what RR said about the donation thread. I actually read thread #3 today -- maybe that's why I can't type tonight! The depth of the knowledge of the sleuthers on that thread has my mind bafoozled.

[AZRiverRat]

Might be something in here for you
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69153&highlight=backpacks

Thank you!

[RR0004]

Ez...I think you may be right about the discussion of the car. The actual car contains findings/evidence that would go towards more significant charges. Best not to reveal too much (i.e tie it to present charges-though I'm not sure how they could). If they did put it out there, JB may then be able to get more info through discovery. The info LE would NOT want to share.

[wonderer]

Sorry, I didn't respond sooner. This would be on very early "general" threads...yikes I'll try over the weekend. If you look at the early Greta interview where CA takes her on a tour outside, I believe you'll see the shed.

No problem, I'll take a look myself. Thanks for your info. :)

JBean, thank you for the links, too.

[Ezryder9]

Ez...I think you may be right about the discussion of the car. The actual car contains findings/evidence that would go towards more significant charges. Best not to reveal too much (i.e tie it to present charges-though I'm not sure how they could). If they did put it out there, JB may then be able to get more info through discovery. The info LE would NOT want to share.

Yep, I agree. Funny, I've thought in reading other peoples questions, silly them -- LE hasn't released what they want to know because it's not related to the current charges. Guess I can't see the forest for the trees, huh? Thanks for your help on this, and JBean, too. I'll quietly do my research and wait for the really big shoe to drop with the other charges. Then, I think you're right -- poof! All my questions will be answered!

[RR0004]

In all honest, I guess I missed a whole thread or something, 'cause I'm not all that familiar with MH. I caught the correction on NG, though; I had jotted that down. The other comment that was made on the show tonight was the LP comment about the 'former security guard' wanting immunity. That generated a thread unto itself!!!

So, yes, if you would, the cliff notes on MH. I haven't enough brain cells left to get into Brandon yet. :)
No one really is THAT familiar with him. These people just keep popping up. NG started to share the names on the phone records, but I'm glad she cut her "ownself" off! I'd never get any sleep tonight. I'd be too busy trying to track down these people. MH is a friend. I know of no romantic connections. Supposedly, his mother saw Caylee and Casey in a store back in June (yup, just one more of those coincidences) so that did help in verifying her wherabouts. She told him on myspace IIRC that she had something to tell him. If I also remember correctly, there was also discussion there about her going out to visit him. He came forward when the case broke and related to LE that he knew her and had been talking to her fairly regularly. I suppose that's the primary reason LE went out to see him (not sure if that's been confirmed by them, though) to get statements as to what was discussed. As far as talking about "immunity" for the security guard, I don't remember that being discussed so maybe I've missed something. I know they talked about it as far as LA and they have mentioned soemthing about the inside person needing to talk to OCSO before she said anything, but if there's a thread on it, perhaps I'll read it before going off to bed. There is just so much to follow I can't keep it all straight.

[RR0004]

Yep, I agree. Funny, I've thought in reading other peoples questions, silly them -- LE hasn't released what they want to know because it's not related to the current charges. Guess I can't see the forest for the trees, huh? Thanks for your help on this, and JBean, too. I'll quietly do my research and wait for the really big shoe to drop with the other charges. Then, I think you're right -- poof! All my questions will be answered!
Well, we're also used to redacted forms so many may never have even guessed that some info was either left out or even brought up.

[Ezryder9]

The security guard immunity was on one of the banners at the bottom of the screen on tonight's, um, last night's, NG. Of course, with all the other security guard related discussion on her show, a lot of questions flew. There is a thread, http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2711496#post2711496, that's already like 6 pages long -- and we don't even have a clue as to that name yet!

I found myself thinking after NG that, with the amount of incredible work that's been done on the donations thread, isn't it kind of a shame WS can't get a copy of the phone records? I bet with the collective genius on this website, they'd figure out every call and every text message!!!!

And the redacted stuff, and posts that disappear? I'm going to keep reminding myself -- it's all for a reason; it's all for a reason; think things to come, not current charges!

[MitchLite]

I noticed on some posts last night, that some were mentioning discussions recently (?) of statements made from the BH's in live chat. Does anyone keep or make copies of this? If so, could someone post them here. I don't go to the chat option but would like to see what is being said.

I would assume under normal conditions, copies are not made of live chats, but given that it is someone from inside the case who is posting and answering questions possible this is being done??????

What ever happened to Tony's thread where you could posts and later on he would come and answer the questions? Is that not being done anymore?

Thanks!

[ArtichokeHeart]

Lovesbooks,

On July 15th Cindy found Amy's phone number in Casey's purse, called Amy and then drove over to Amy's and then Amy took Cindy to Tony's apt. where Casey was at. Amy had dropped Casey at Tony's after Casey had picked Amy up (with Amy's car)at the airport earlier that day.

I thought the day the car supposedly ran out of gas Tony came to pick her up. How did she get over to Amy's to pick up the car or did Amy leave her car at Tony's?

[darlin gal]

Chat Transcripts
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2570254&postcount=367


Original question thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69156

The link to the second thread where he also answered questions is in Windchime's first post in the thread above.

[passin_through]

Heyas :)
The quote there is about the day Cindy got Amy to show her to TonE's so that she could get Casey and hopefully Caylee too.

Yeppers, you're correct in that TonE came to pick Casey up when her car ran out of gas at Amscot

But, how did Casey get to Amy's July 1st (using the statement from Amy to police for this timeline) when TonE had already left town?

I suspect it was Jesse because he can't figure out what date Casey showered at his home, but she said she needed to borrow his shower as TonE was out of town.

I guess TonE could have let Casey borrow his Jeep, but that seems unlikely to me as he didn't let her stay at his apt while he was gone, and he said she had basically moved in.

Odd stuff and a puzzle to be sure!

[MitchLite]

Thanks so much!

[jeannebreault]

I haven't seen this anywhere so I am going to ask... has anyone heard or seen the name Manny involved with this case or possibly linked to Casey's groups, myspace, or facebook pages?
I think Mike W has a "Manny" as a friend on his myspace...I think I saw it in his pics, but don't hold me to that...my mind is a sieve! See http://www.myspace.com/32goat32

[BondJamesBond]

Casey's sports bra & shorts recovered?I don't recall any mention of recovering the sports bra & shorts Casey was wearing on shovel day. Any further info? I don't believe they were listed in the 400pg evidence sheets.

Casey's alleged backpack recovered?
Also, IIRC, the bag that was in the Pontiac wasn't characterized as a backpack.
Anyone seen pics of what Casey's alleged backpack looked like? Big enough to contain Caylee?
Any mention of recovering Casey's "backpack"?

[Starr58]

Where was GA the night of the 911 call? IIRC CA called GA and then GA called LA to go to the house as CA was upset.

Where was george and what was he doing? Apparently wasn't working as IIRC during the Bond hearing he testified he had just started a new job working in the security field.

BTW where does GA work that allows him to parade the billboard around day after day???

[HRCODEPINK]

Where was GA the night of the 911 call? IIRC CA called GA and then GA called LA to go to the house as CA was upset.

Where was george and what was he doing? Apparently wasn't working as IIRC during the Bond hearing he testified he had just started a new job working in the security field.

BTW where does GA work that allows him to parade the billboard around day after day???

George works for Andrews International, a security company

[Karen Anne RN]

Could it have been Cindy and George that the neighbors heard loudly fighting that evening?//
The neighbor who gave the statement to LE said that Casey was heard screaming at her parents in an arguement.

[Karen Anne RN]

I am new here guys so bear with me, if there was a Zanny the nanny that had babysat for 2-3 years who was suppose to have paid her? Casey did not work so Cindy would have been the one writing the checks. I wonder if law enforcement has tried to trace that paper trail?
No one paid her; there was no nanny.

[halleyscomet]

Are you saying when did he get stationed there? I know when she was doing all the calling/texting he was out in California. It was falsely reported BTW that he had worked at Universal as a security guard during the NG show tonight, but later cleared up...so "not the daddy" if that's what you're thinking.

They did say that ,and I can't remember his name, worked at Universal as a security guard and is/was also in the military?

[halleyscomet]

Don't worry...I knew what you meant...typo and all! Your questions are very valid. It has been discussed as to why TL didn't just bring gas...but I would imagine he didn't know about the "no gas" part until he got there if at all. Casey probably just let him know that the car broke down. He did ask if he wanted her to take a look at it (per interviews), but she said that her father would come and get it. Then, she went into further discussion later on about where it was being repaired and actually told him who was working on it. My hinky meter always goes off when Casey gives more information than necessary. Don't know enough about TL...but he wasn't too smooth in his interview with police IMO.

Something is starting to make sense to me now. It has always driven me nuts as to why KC left the keys in the car when she abandoned it. Could she have purposely left them there so she could claim that someone must have used the car after she left it at Amscott and then just returned it w/o gas knowing that's how she left it in the first place. She's very much into CSI and if she had a dead body in the trunk she would have to know that traces of it would be found.

Maybe that's where they are going with the whole chain of custody thing. They will try to claim that from the time KC left the car and the time CA/GA picked it up, someone else drove it with a dead body in it. Another thing that bothered me is the fact that she left a couple of notes on the car. Why would she put more than one? Is she claiming that she left one, went back to check on the car and the note was gone so she left another?

[Karen Anne RN]

Is Cindy the last one "officially" seen with Caylee???
Did anyone - besides family - see Casey at the Anthony home on June 15, evening??? Could it have been Cindy and George that the neighbors heard loudly fighting that evening?//
On June 15, CA took Caylee to visit her (CA's) parents at the nursing home. She then took Caylee to her (CA's) mother's home for dinner. Then she took Caylee home.
Casey was heard by the neighbors screaming at her parents that night. Someone here theorized that CA had just found out about the theft of money from her parents, and that is what the arguement was all about.
I believe that CA stated that she "tucked" the girls in for the night (KC and Caylee.)
AL's room mate stated to LE that KC spent the night there with AL (this is still June 15.)
So if true, KC left the A's home and went to spend the night with AL, leaving Caylee there at the A's house.
Geo is probably an early riser, so I would have thought that he would have seen KC come back home on the morning of the 16th, but in his statement, he says that he was downstairs watching tv when the two girls came downstairs to leave. He says they left shortly before he did.
Maybe he was in a different part of the house when KC came back home.
With so many of the players changing their stories, it's hard to know WHO was the last to see Caylee. It would have been, acording to their statements, either CA, CA and GA, GA and KC, or KC. :crosseyed:

[marauder]

I wonder if anyone has checked Google Street View, in the "chance in a million" that they were taking photos around that time. Though terribly unlikely, wouldn't it be crazy if an image on there helped solve the case?

I've looked at the site of the car-ditching; not sure how to find out the date of the photo, or if they even reveal that info.

[Amberjack]

FWIW: "Street view" near Amscot


http://i38.tinypic.com/2mpctpx.jpg

[Starr58]

On June 15, CA took Caylee to visit her (CA's) parents at the nursing home. She then took Caylee to her (CA's) mother's home for dinner. Then she took Caylee home.
Casey was heard by the neighbors screaming at her parents that night. Someone here theorized that CA had just found out about the theft of money from her parents, and that is what the arguement was all about.
I believe that CA stated that she "tucked" the girls in for the night (KC and Caylee.)
AL's room mate stated to LE that KC spent the night there with AL (this is still June 15.)
So if true, KC left the A's home and went to spend the night with AL, leaving Caylee there at the A's house.
Geo is probably an early riser, so I would have thought that he would have seen KC come back home on the morning of the 16th, but in his statement, he says that he was downstairs watching tv when the two girls came downstairs to leave. He says they left shortly before he did.
Maybe he was in a different part of the house when KC came back home.
With so many of the players changing their stories, it's hard to know WHO was the last to see Caylee. It would have been, acording to their statements, either CA, CA and GA, GA and KC, or KC. :crosseyed:



The last verifiable sighting of Caylee was at the nursing home. Everything else stated, IMO, is heresay.

[Starr58]

Where was GA the night of the 911 call? IIRC CA called GA and then GA called LA to go to the house as CA was upset.

Where was george and what was he doing? Apparently wasn't working as IIRC during the Bond hearing he testified he had just started a new job working in the security field.

BTW where does GA work that allows him to parade the billboard around day after day???

Bumping

[Starr58]

The neighbor who gave the statement to LE said that Casey was heard screaming at her parents in an arguement.

Where is this statement located?

[CheckDaFacts]

Where is this statement located?

Here is one:
"There was some sort of huge argument Father's Day weekend," said Kathi Belich, a reporter for WFTV. "I am told neighbors heard yelling. There was some sort of big fight."
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=5727546&page=2

[Starr58]

Here is one:
"There was some sort of huge argument Father's Day weekend," said Kathi Belich, a reporter for WFTV. "I am told neighbors heard yelling. There was some sort of big fight."
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=5727546&page=2

This article does not indicate that the neighbor heard Casey's voice as the previous poster indicated. I have not been able to locate anything that verifies for a FACT that Casey was present during that argrument or for a fact that that Casey was the LAST verifiable person to have been with Caylee. The last known person that Caylee was with was CA as fair as I have been able determine through research of the 400 pages released by LE.

Does anyone else know for fact there was someone else that Caylee was with? Not heresay!

[inquiringmindz]

I've been away for a few days...Did anything new or significant happen? Anything pressing to be caught up on? If so, I would really appreciate a
short synopsis - Thanks!

[TURBOTHINK]

This article does not indicate that the neighbor heard Casey's voice as the previous poster indicated. I have not been able to locate anything that verifies for a FACT that Casey was present during that argrument or for a fact that that Casey was the LAST verifiable person to have been with Caylee. The last known person that Caylee was with was CA as fair as I have been able determine through research of the 400 pages released by LE.

Does anyone else know for fact there was someone else that Caylee was with? Not heresay!

I believe GA was the last person to see Cayle alive. According to the reports, Casey spent the night with Tony without Caylee - Cindy went to work the morning of the 16th -so only leaves GA who was not working at the time.

There is nothing which proved Casey ever went home that morning. I know CA made up those stories about "tucking in" Caylee and Casey the night of the 15th but that has all been proven to be lies by Tony and his roomate.

[concentric]

Maybe someone volunteered their services as a P.I. to look for Caylee, outside of the immediate area.

[Bathbuddys]

Maybe someone volunteered their services as a P.I. to look for Caylee, outside of the immediate area.

Hi,
This has already been covered. JB has had a P.I since the beginning of all this. I have heard it mentioned several times.

[BondJamesBond]

The last verifiable sighting of Caylee was at the nursing home. Everything else stated, IMO, is heresay.

LE did collect a statement from Shirley P. (Cindy's mother) indicating that Caylee & Cindy had dinner @ her home in Mt. Dora before leaving that evening.

IMHO, this is the last credible sighting of Caylee.

[MnkeyBznes]

Maybe someone volunteered their services as a P.I. to look for Caylee, outside of the immediate area.

They have had PI for quite awhile Baez arranged I think

D&A Investigations, Inc.

[Amberjack]

When was Amy in PR?

Wouldn't it make sense that Casey drove Amy's car the entire time?
Caylee was left in the trunk of the Pontiac until Casey thought of a good hiding place...When Amy said she needed her mail...Oviedo became a good idea. She drove the Pontiac to Oviedo and back down & dumped it at the Amscot hoping it would be stolen.

[bam]

Do we actually know that the stuffed animals George threw out in the trash are smoked smelling donations from well wishers or is this just a claim by Lee? Did LE confiscate this bag that was put out in the trash?

[sandcastles4me]

I have a question about KC's Jail vistor log. It states she was visited by William W on 7/29 and I just want to know if there is more info on there relationship and where I could find it?????

[sandcastles4me]

Has anyone asked ToNe or roomates about KC's car? Where she parked it during June and if anyone ever rode with her in the car?

[JBean]

I have a question about KC's Jail vistor log. It states she was visited by William W on 7/29 and I just want to know if there is more info on there relationship and where I could find it?????

maybe something in here

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71578&highlight=william

[Karen Anne RN]

Where is this statement located?
In LE docs. The interview with the neighbor.

[Karen Anne RN]

The last verifiable sighting of Caylee was at the nursing home. Everything else stated, IMO, is heresay.
Absolutely.

[Karen Anne RN]

Where is this statement located?
In the LE's docs.

[ArtichokeHeart]

Howdy fellow Texan. LOL. I also find the way they speak to be strange. The way they pronounce certain words is very different. I also find the words in a sentence that they emphasize to be somewhat odd sometimes. Casey sure like to say words like "absolutely" and "positively" and "definitely" and "honestly" - seemingly as a way of adding strength and credibility to what she is saying. I find her accent somewhat annoying at times.


According to handwring experts (posted on some thread at WS which I can't find on the board only thru a link) all those words you mention that annoy ARE sure signs that the person is lying. So your gut reaction is strong and intuitive and would keep you far away from such people.

i don't like the way she talks either. as though she were a supervisor in the case of herself from another universe...the event planner of herself...of course it is a screen play and the events change day to day.

Cindy says she or Lee can always get the truth out of Casey but that is only after the fact when the deed has been done and they have found out she has lied. And Cindy never seems to get it...that she can't trust her daughter. who in the world in their right mind would give their sociopathic lying thieving daughter their credit card?

That is why she can't report the theft of $45,000 because she gave her the card!

[halleyscomet]

LE did collect a statement from Shirley P. (Cindy's mother) indicating that Caylee & Cindy had dinner @ her home in Mt. Dora before leaving that evening.

IMHO, this is the last credible sighting of Caylee.

I agree. I wouldn't believe anyone else in the immediate family for obvious reasons.

[krimekat]

The last verifiable sighting of Caylee was at the nursing home. Everything else stated, IMO, is heresay.

what about dinner at Cindy's mother's house after the nursing home visit?

[AmyinTheHam]

I was thinking about something and wondering if anyone else had any thoughts. Remember the photo of KC at the party where Caylee was (the photo with KC, Caylee, and Lauren). I though it looked like a typical Lake Vaj party since it was in a garage. Yet didn't Lake Vaj say Caylee never was at any parties. Did anyone else think that photo was taken there? I only ask because if it was not (which is looking to be the case) where do we think that party was? It was the "beer wench" t-shirt night. It was a garage so I am thinking it was not an apartment. I don't know if it makes any difference where the party was, I just always assumed it was at Lake Vaj and now it isn't so I wonder where it really was.

[inmyopinion]

I want to know if the manhole that shows on the webcam now has been looked in? We had an incident here in MT and a small child was found in one. I posted this on the webcam thread and it got edited, mostly deleted. Does anyone know please?

[Reality Orlando]

This may have been covered before, but Brenners75 noted this in another thread: "I just wanted to say that my son is 1 day older then caylee and was conceived the 25th of november...so your dates may be off :-D. I was early but only by like a week... "

So, Thanksgiving Weekend fell in that time frame. Could the father of Caylee been a student at some college who was home for the holiday weekend? Or, could he have come home for the weekend with a UF or Miami student for the holiday? Perhaps he lived in California or somewhere far enough away that it didn't make sense to fly home for such a short time, and a friend didn't want him to spend the holiday alone? I know my kids were always bringing someone home for holiday dinners if they couldn't get home for the holiday. Perhaps someone will remember a situation like that. Just a thought as it's been thought it happened over Spring Break, but maybe it was actually Thanksgiving Break.


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[Macushla]

This was in an article from WESH 2 News about their new in depth coverage of the case, starting tonight (I found the link on today's update page). Does anyone remember hearing anything about this 'disturbing letter' at any time or is this something new?
"It was a day when Caylee's grandparents received a disturbing letter in the mail and Casey Anthony, Caylee's mother, was making an appointment to get a new tattoo.

[Tammie63]

I am just wondering if anyone has been able to pin down who's dog tags casey is wearing in the following picture
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l217/adowning04/cowboys/miscpics132.jpght

[hornswoggled]

I don't think Casey herself has given any information about why the car was abandoned in the parking lot. But supposedly it was because the car was out of gas.

One of her friends - boyfriend Tony, I think - came and picked her up from the car after she called him. She told him that her father would take care of the car.

I find it to be very, very strange that she left her purse in the car, by the way.

I did a search for a post containing the word "purse". The fact that she allegedly ran out of gas and purposely left the car at Amscott (and left her purse sitting on the front seat) has really bugged me.
Did she lock herself out of the car?
If not, why would she leave her purse sitting on the front seat?
Has her purse and its contents been turned over to police?
I have only heard her say she ran out of gas.
Was the gas tank checked?
She also said two guys pushed her car into a parking spot at Amscott.
Has there been any attempt to have these "two guys" come forward. Surely they would have remembered pushing a girl's car into the parking slot.

Just a few of many, many questions............:confused:

[Baznme]

This was in an article from WESH 2 News about their new in depth coverage of the case, starting tonight (I found the link on today's update page). Does anyone remember hearing anything about this 'disturbing letter' at any time or is this something new?
"It was a day when Caylee's grandparents received a disturbing letter in the mail and Casey Anthony, Caylee's mother, was making an appointment to get a new tattoo.


Macushla, no........I for one have not heard of a disturbing letter....at all. My ears are up though!!

[dolly]

To me she sounds like a person who has had too much too drink and is over annunciating her words so she doesn't appear to be slurring.
because they are lying on the fly, concocting stories on the fly, while they are actually talking. because they are so good at it, they just need to slow down their rote rehearsed answers only long enough to *think quick* and interject in between the other words their lies.

[Gummishoe]

Question, Did KC cheat on TonE L with Anthony the LE officer?


:Banane10:

[Stacy O]

Question, Did KC cheat on TonE L with Anthony the LE officer?


:Banane10:


I'm not sure.....but it seems that way.....it seems like she did that often. According to the reports.

JMO

[CarrieBean]

O/T of Caylee. Does anyone know if/how I can add an Amber Alert ticker to my signature?

[passionflower]

How many boyfriend (lovers) has Casey had just in the time period of June-present???

[Sayruh]

I'm sorry if its been answered or posted,
but I read somewhere that Casey had a seizure before

does anyone know what that was about?

[Sayruh]

Question, Did KC cheat on TonE L with Anthony the LE officer?


:Banane10:

I'm not sure if she cheated with Anthony, but I remember reading that while TL was in NY she had a 'BF' named William something...

[Chess613]

I had a nice long post regarding questions I had on the Anthony case and of course my browser crashed on me.. hey.. it happens.

Here are some thoughts and questions I had on the case, and forgive me if they’ve already been addressed:

1. We have the phone list of calls made by Casey on the 16th and 18th, but what about incoming calls? I want to know who called her on that fateful Monday. I’m willing to bet she called Dad to tell him something was wrong with Caylee but backpedaled so he doesn’t suspect she has actually died, and instead says she’s ok. Dad then calls Mom (Cindy) who blows up her cell while she’s disposing of the body (putting it in her car). After collecting her nerves, she has to call mom to tell her everything’s ok. This is conjecture, but I’d love to know those incoming calls.
2. Speaking of calls, can’t get a geographic position on where she was when she called via cell towers? Would help us know for sure where she was when Caylee died. I’m pretty sure it was in the Anthony house, but the cell tower reports would let us know for sure. It can also help track where she was all through that week, in the event she dumped the body away from the Anthony house.
3. Does Casey have any priors at all? I think we would have known by now, but given her track record, I can’t believe she hasn’t had at least one or two run ins with the law. And how many times has the Anthony family use the law to straighten out their family issues (i.e. called the police on Casey)?
4. The Chloroform – we know it was looked up on Casey’s computer but when? Any datestamps?
5. Does Casey have a key to the Anthony house? Did Casey ever have a key to Lazzaro’s place? Any other guy stepped up to say Casey had a one night stand with them (in order to get a place to sleep)?
6. Is it possible that Caylee tried to move the ladder and gate all by herself?
7. Can we track the money? I’d love to know exactly how much she extracted from her granddad’s retirement account. She had that (I doubt she gave it back to her folks), she had Mom’s credit cards, she had Amy’s checkbook and whatever else she borrowed from Ricardo or Lazzaro. For one month, she burned through a WHOLE LOT of money. What did she spend it all on? Could there be a drug connection?
8. Did law enforcement sample dirt to find out where Casey may have been? Like from the tires of her car? I had heard that Dad replaced a tire or that a spare tire was removed. Can someone confirm this?
9. What’s up with the seizures of Casey? I think in one police report, Lee had to take Casey to the hospital for seizures. Also, a childhood friend of hers say she has a tendency to forget things that they talked about a day before. Is this more bulljive from Casey? Since she’s a hard drinker, could this be a result of it? This could be an opening for an NGI defense for Casey (NGI – not guilty by reason of insanity).
10. This is the big question for me: Can anyone else confirm, especially other family members, that Cindy referred to herself in front of Caylee, as her mother? Did the grandmother actively try to supplant Casey and take on the mother role? If there’s a motive for straight up murder, that could be the number one motive – if the child directly challenged her mother and said she was not her mommy.

I know that sounds far fetched, but consider this – Caylee in three days witnessed several people – groups of people – chastise Casey, as if she were a child. It happened on Friday the 13th, when she took Caylee to the club and people told her it was inappropriate to take her there. And the Saturday and Sunday (father’s day weekend), both parents and grandparents had choice words for Casey for stealing her granddad’s money. So did Caylee (because kids absorb everything adults do) start popping off at the mouth at her own mother?

Having said that, these are my four theories as to what happened:

1. Monday 6/16 Casey leaves with Caylee (per Dad’s testimony) at 12:30, but reappears after 2:30 – basically, she’s scoping the house to wait until Dad leaves. She wants to scam her family and needs to be alone to find some paperwork. Between 2:30 and 3pm, Caylee dies – either by accident or by a spontaneous action by Casey. She calls Dad to get advice, but backpedals and doesn’t let up that the situation’s serious. After talking to Dad, she disposes of the body, putting it in trashbags and in her car. For some reason, she can’t dispose of the body in the evening, perhaps because she’s afraid of it being found or she wants it close by so she can keep watch of it (to control who has access to finding it). Or maybe she’s just lazy and emotionally exhausted. Tuesday 6/17, she scopes out Sawgrass in hopes of disposing the body in an abandoned apartment – but fails to do so, but sees Zenaida and gets her information, so she can pin her as the ‘nanny’. Re the police report, casey borrows a shovel either this day or Wednesday and uses it to bury her daughter in the back yard, where it is now (since I don’t have knowledge of LE actually digging for the body, only using dogs to sniff for clues).
2. Monday – same as above. Tuesday (if she borrowed the shovel this day) she buries the baby, but Wednesday takes the baby out of the yard (after several calls making sure no one’s home) and dumps the body elsewhere.
3. Same as theory one, but George discovers the body/grave around Thursday or Friday and gives Casey the ultimatum to tell the cops and family what happened. Casey promises but welches on the deal. George calls the police but relents and says it’s about gas cans (which were taken but $50 theft much ado about nothing). Casey comes to the house and George forces Casey to take the body away and instructs her what to do with it.
4. Same as theory three, but George deals with the body, taking it out of the back yard and instructing Casey what to do (perhaps even telling her to ditch the car - including leaving the purse in the car).

If you think about the work George is doing in his backyard, especially laying down concrete on the Fourth of July (a holiday!), his not reacting to the smell either when he confronted Casey about the gas cans on the 23rd or when he drove the car back from the wrecking yard on the 15th of July (remember the owner of the yard, who said George never reacted when he told him it smelled like a dead body) – I think George is being very protective of Casey – and of his wife Cindy, for not saying anything to him.

The sad part about it all is that Casey is probably not a monster – she’s just someone who’s used to perpetually being in trouble and is used to lying to get herself out of trouble. I’m sure in Casey’s mind, this is just a bigger version of the same old stuff – yes, her baby’s dead and there’s guilt if she allows herself to feel it, but in the end, it’s the same thing as when she was being yelled at on Father’s Day. Only it’s the whole world. Had she told her father on 3:03pm on Monday.. “Dad, something happened to Caylee. Help me.” – it may have not saved Caylee’s life, but she wouldn’t be up for child endangerment, much less murder. And it may have been a blip on the local news, but nothing like this. It would have been a tragic mistake she could have learned from and grew from. Instead, her lies and the people’s lives she’s ruined will follow her for the rest of her life.

Lesson (which all kids are taught by their folks) – the act is minimal. It’s the lie that really hurts.

[LinasK]

I wonder if anyone has checked Google Street View, in the "chance in a million" that they were taking photos around that time. Though terribly unlikely, wouldn't it be crazy if an image on there helped solve the case?

I've looked at the site of the car-ditching; not sure how to find out the date of the photo, or if they even reveal that info.

F.Y.I. Google street views aren't updated for at least 3 months. I know because of twice that I've checked my house, I could tell by what changes had happened or not with the landscaping surrounding my house.

[Reality Orlando]

Yes, I believe it was in May, 2008.
There may be a bit of truth in the lies she told Amy about the house, but in FL bankruptcy law I don't think they can take your homesteaded house. Not positive tho, have to look that up if I have time.


Hmm, when Casey told Amy her parents were giving her the house, could they have been quick deeding it into her name so they wouldn't lose it?

[CheckDaFacts]

This article does not indicate that the neighbor heard Casey's voice as the previous poster indicated. I have not been able to locate anything that verifies for a FACT that Casey was present during that argrument or for a fact that that Casey was the LAST verifiable person to have been with Caylee. The last known person that Caylee was with was CA as fair as I have been able determine through research of the 400 pages released by LE.

Does anyone else know for fact there was someone else that Caylee was with? Not heresay!

This article does not indicate that the neighbor heard Casey's voice as the previous poster indicated. I have not been able to locate anything that verifies for a FACT that Casey was present during that argrument or for a fact that that Casey was the LAST verifiable person to have been with Caylee. The last known person that Caylee was with was CA as fair as I have been able determine through research of the 400 pages released by LE.

Does anyone else know for fact there was someone else that Caylee was with? Not heresay!

We don't have what LE has not released, just like you on this issue.
The A's Neighbors said it was told to LE from the start of this case, they heard loud voices, now enters LP who alleges per CA she had a choke hold on KC on the same night of the 15th, fact/heresay? You asked for a link and I took the time to find one for you. Your most welcome. :waitasec:

As far as statements to LE, if its not in sight in the 400 pg document, it has not been released. More heresay or fact, via media out of CA's own mouth Megan Ryan of Fox interview. CA said Caylee last time seen with KC words to the effect but not word for word, was 14 Jun. This one you will have to go back and research yourself, unless someone else wants to step up to that plate.

Fact whether telling the truth or not on the stand during the bond hearing, CA said she tucked both in on the 15th, yet KC ended up over night at AR's house per AR's statement to LE. Good luck finding it. :)

[LinasK]

Hmm, when Casey told Amy her parents were giving her the house, could they have been quick deeding it into her name so they wouldn't lose it?

Possible... but other posters have surmised that Casey planned to bump them off to get the house. It's happened before in other sick cases, Texas for one I think.

[EastSideOfSaddness]

This was in an article from WESH 2 News about their new in depth coverage of the case, starting tonight (I found the link on today's update page). Does anyone remember hearing anything about this 'disturbing letter' at any time or is this something new?
"It was a day when Caylee's grandparents received a disturbing letter in the mail and Casey Anthony, Caylee's mother, was making an appointment to get a new tattoo.

Sorry if this has already been answered for ya. They hyped that up--they were just talking about the letter from Johnson's wrecker service where the car had been towed. I hate when they do that~!~ :mad:

[pregodego2]

I had asked in a general discussion back in august and didn't get too much help. I'm now on the hunt again. I have been really searching but cannot seem to find it.

There was a guy on myspace, he had pics of casey on TV along with some other random people on TV. He was from NY or one of the Carolinas, he also had a map of some place northern U.S. and said something under it that notioned that he was going there.

Anyone remember this guy?

[Faenorwyn]

I had asked in a general discussion back in august and didn't get too much help. I'm now on the hunt again. I have been really searching but cannot seem to find it.

There was a guy on myspace, he had pics of casey on TV along with some other random people on TV. He was from NY or one of the Carolinas, he also had a map of some place northern U.S. and said something under it that notioned that he was going there.

Anyone remember this guy?

I know who you're talking about, but I can't remember when or where I saw the thread where he was discussed. I think it might have been a general discussion thread. I'll help you search through the threads here though and let you know what I find.

[pregodego2]

I cannot gaurantee there is a connection, but even the song was weird for what pictures and info he had on his page. I think he also was in the military. Which would put him right in line with the rest of her target audience.

[secreteye]

I had asked in a general discussion back in august and didn't get too much help. I'm now on the hunt again. I have been really searching but cannot seem to find it.

There was a guy on myspace, he had pics of casey on TV along with some other random people on TV. He was from NY or one of the Carolinas, he also had a map of some place northern U.S. and said something under it that notioned that he was going there.

Anyone remember this guy?


Could it have possibly been BS? Brandon S? Snowman? IIRC, he is military and stationed in NC. His myspace has been private ever since I checked it out, but maybe someone got it before it went private, if so, could someone lead us to it? Thanx

[Law_girl41]

Any chance you can search your posts around that time frame to look for a clue as to what might of been there before?
sorry I cant be more help-
(I had a ton of myspace bookmarked, but dont recall a map. I deleted all but a few. I was finding several connections to WW but it didnt make sense after Dante & Exit came here. After that I said phewey. Myspace gives me a PITA)

[Hailiejade77]

Was he the guy that left a message to some guy about what the heck was going on in FL and they needed to get their sh#t together,.. and stop screwing up the operation? (He left this message on one of Casey's myspace page) He also had pics of Britney Spears on tv as well???

[mommya]

I do not recall this in any of my myspace sluething on Caseys connections - but I do recall something about a crazy guy who was smitten with Casey who had a crazy myspace already in existence when he latched onto Casey - after this case became public - could that be it?

[CiCi]

Can anyone confirm how much money Casey had stolen from Grandparents account? I recall reading somewhere it was $45k?

[Jin4one]

Can someone put up the link (I know there is one) to the pictures of all the men that are involved in this case? Such as: RM, AL, Dante and those guys?

Thanks

[Girlrilla]

So from what we heard after the decomp. and DNA leaks were that they did not have probable cause as of yet to link Casey to the car and probable cause for Caylee being in the trunk. I hope I'm stating this correctly. :waitasec:

What I'm wondering is what do we need to get it? A statement from an accomplice or person that can place Caylee in the trunk and Casey with the car at that time? And if not that, a confession from Casey herself? (Which I doubt we would get).

So is the case stuck here? Or could they already have probable cause and if that's the case why wouldn't they file more serious charges?

I'm just hoping things don't stall here.

[Girlrilla]

I know it was also a question, but why didn't the probable cause issue deserve its own thread? I was hoping for a discussion. Oh well. I guess it's just going to get lost in this thread.

[suddenlyobsessed]

Can someone confirm that the release only consisted of interviews? No photos, ect? Just want to be sure I don't miss anything. TIA

[Jin4one]

Someone mentioned the library many weeks ago on NG.
I live in florida, but not in the same area.
As for books and other reading materials, no id needed to read at the library.
Checking out books, signing into a public computer requires a library card.
There are ways to check patron records for materials checked out and computer logs.
I am not familiar with Orange County Library infomation, but at my local libraries a patron needs to sign in electronically to use a computer. The library card #, name, and last 4 digits of phone number is required to sign in.
Always possible to use someone else's card and info though. Need an id to get a library card. Most library cards do not have photo id's. We know that KC has stolen money, maybe library cards as well.
Public libraries, both Orange and Seminole Counties, UCF and Valencia libraries and bookstores...could be


I think when you go one the computers at the public library, you need a PIN number along with your card number. The library cards at UCF and Valencia has your picture on it.

[Ezryder9]

I know it was also a question, but why didn't the probable cause issue deserve its own thread? I was hoping for a discussion. Oh well. I guess it's just going to get lost in this thread.

Girlrilla, why not start one yourself? Something like "Probable Cause -- Does LE have enough," or something like that? Could be an entertaining thread.

[mom2chloe]

So we know AL drives a red jeep and AH drives a car. Do we know what RM drives? Do we know who drives a pickup truck the neighbor describes seeing at the house? Am I missing something?

[Girlrilla]

Girlrilla, why not start one yourself? Something like "Probable Cause -- Does LE have enough," or something like that? Could be an entertaining thread.

Guess what? I did. It was merged into this one almost immediately.

[Ezryder9]

Guess what? I did. It was merged into this one almost immediately.

LOL -- well, at least you gave it a shot!!!

[Truth Seeker]

Can someone put up the link (I know there is one) to the pictures of all the men that are involved in this case? Such as: RM, AL, Dante and those guys?

Thanks
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[Laece]

LOL, great pic of dante, truth seeker!

i have a random question about gas cans that i don't know has been asked yet...

amy helped casey get a gas can the first time casey ran out of gas. tony and casey went to casey's house and took the gas cans without permission the second time.

so does that mean she is saying she ran out of gas 3 times? because obviously, the gas never made it into the car at amscot, or she would have driven it off the lot. not to mention, casey also said her dad would take it/did take it to be repaired...but running out of gas doesn't mean your car needs to be repaired. even if her gas gauge was wrong, she still could have filled it and driven it until it could be fixed.

did i miss something here? it's not adding up to me. surprise, surprise, i know, what does add up with this whole thing?:confused:

[Jin4one]

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Perfect! Thank you so much!

[?everything]

Why are there a lot of people who have already tried, convicted and sentenced Casey and her family? No one has been charged with murder. Only person charged is Casey with child neglect and the money issue. I do not understand this. So maybe someone here can explain that to me.

[BlueEyedSpy]

Why are there a lot of people who have already tried, convicted and sentenced Casey and her family? No one has been charged with murder. Only person charged is Casey with child neglect and the money issue. I do not understand this. So maybe someone here can explain that to me.

Good luck getting a satisfactory answer to that, but I 100% agree with your stance.

[Tuba]

I know it was also a question, but why didn't the probable cause issue deserve its own thread? I was hoping for a discussion. Oh well. I guess it's just going to get lost in this thread.

You have my vote for such a thread. You make an excellent suggestion.
:eek:

[Tuba]

I have read and seen momentary mention of Caylee's stuffed animals being tossed out. I don't understand. Can someone fill me in? This first came up a couple of weeks ago but there was only an allusion to it, no further statement and no explanation.

[Chat Noir]

Perfect! Thank you so much!


The only cute one is Tony R.........AL looks kind of shady to me.....lol

[Chat Noir]

Was the concrete slab in the backyard ever dug up?

[passin_through]

Was the concrete slab in the backyard ever dug up?
One was never poured. The weekend of the 4th, the Anthony's laid down concrete pavers (square block type things)

Pavers around the playhouse etc were taken up as they can be seen stacked in videos as the police are working around the playhouse.

The poured concrete slab is a rumor...think it was mistaken for the pavers.

[Jin4one]

The only cute one is Tony R.........AL looks kind of shady to me.....lol

Yes TR is very cute and so is JP.

hehe

[karenmamo]

What might have been on the computer that needed to 'disappear?'

Any ideas?

I thought maybe drug stuff....since we do not know who cleared it out.

[Chat Noir]

One was never poured. The weekend of the 4th, the Anthony's laid down concrete pavers (square block type things)

Pavers around the playhouse etc were taken up as they can be seen stacked in videos as the police are working around the playhouse.

The poured concrete slab is a rumor...think it was mistaken for the pavers.

So did they remove the pavers then? It was done much too close to when Caylee went missing...and someone borrowed a shovel and the body is still missing and Casey said she felt she was really close to home, etc (not PR)....

[Chat Noir]

What might have been on the computer that needed to 'disappear?'

Any ideas?

I thought maybe drug stuff....since we do not know who cleared it out.

When did Casey have time to delete it? She didn't know she was going with her mom, never to return that day? What about AL? LA said he had neatly packed her things and there was a blue error screen on her laptop....doesn't really matter though, cause there is a way to get those emails back...Casey really thinks everyone is stupider than her, doesn't she? lol

[Chat Noir]

She could have had some kind of illegal job she was hiding....either stealing identities or prostitution.....

[TigerBalm]

LOL, great pic of dante, truth seeker!

i have a random question about gas cans that i don't know has been asked yet...

amy helped casey get a gas can the first time casey ran out of gas. tony and casey went to casey's house and took the gas cans without permission the second time.

so does that mean she is saying she ran out of gas 3 times? because obviously, the gas never made it into the car at amscot, or she would have driven it off the lot. not to mention, casey also said her dad would take it/did take it to be repaired...but running out of gas doesn't mean your car needs to be repaired. even if her gas gauge was wrong, she still could have filled it and driven it until it could be fixed.

did i miss something here? it's not adding up to me. surprise, surprise, i know, what does add up with this whole thing?:confused:

Tony brought her to the house the first time she ran out of gas.
Amy helped her get a gas gan the second time, Amy thought they were going to get Casey's car, but Casey told Amy that her dad already picked it up.


HTH

[BlueEyedSpy]

This may have been covered before, but Brenners75 noted this in another thread: "I just wanted to say that my son is 1 day older then caylee and was conceived the 25th of november...so your dates may be off :-D. I was early but only by like a week... "

So, Thanksgiving Weekend fell in that time frame. Could the father of Caylee been a student at some college who was home for the holiday weekend? Or, could he have come home for the weekend with a UF or Miami student for the holiday? Perhaps he lived in California or somewhere far enough away that it didn't make sense to fly home for such a short time, and a friend didn't want him to spend the holiday alone? I know my kids were always bringing someone home for holiday dinners if they couldn't get home for the holiday. Perhaps someone will remember a situation like that. Just a thought as it's been thought it happened over Spring Break, but maybe it was actually Thanksgiving Break.


__________________

I think you bring up a very valid point about Thanksgiving Break weekend.

What I am confused about though, is your intimation that someone from California would fly all the way to Florida for Thanksgiving Break, but couldn't fly to their own parent's home.

I mean, California flight to Florida isn't around the corner, and is perhaps not much closer or cheaper on the airfare than what their parent's home would be - well, unless of course their parents lived in NY, or NJ or something like that. ;)

[ysun]

Question? I was looking at KC phone listing. IS this Jose's (her lawyer) daughter???

Christina Baez

[GizzySmith]

Ysun you are not allowed to use full names so I am not going to quote you.

Here is a cached page that answers your question http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:8Z8s2SeZG8IJ:www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-missing-072308,0,5581037.story+Christina+Baez+fl&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

[BlueEyedSpy]

What might have been on the computer that needed to 'disappear?'

Any ideas?

I thought maybe drug stuff....since we do not know who cleared it out.

Very good question, so think......

If she were plotting or had already completed Caylee's murder, she would have no reason to email others with information pertaining to that scenario, right?

Besides, not one of her friends have intimated that she had done so, and they have offered nothing indicative to being the recipient of such emails.

Now.

If Casey handed Caylee off to someone for safekeeping, that would most definitely produce a plethora of email correspondence.


Casey isn't Computer Forensic intelligent, so Casey would also want the tracings of those emails to disappear, along with Caylee.

[karenmamo]

Very good question, so think......

If she were plotting or had already completed Caylee's murder, she would have no reason to email others with information pertaining to that scenario, right?

Besides, not one of her friends have intimated that she had done so, and they have offered nothing indicative to being the recipient of such emails.

Now.

If Casey handed Caylee off to someone for safekeeping, that would most definitely produce a plethora of email correspondence.


Casey isn't Computer Forensic intelligent, so Casey would also want the tracings of those emails to disappear, along with Caylee.

Thanks for the response.
I do not think Casey deleted all that stuff.
So, if it was Lee (who was gone way too long just to gather her stuff) then what did he read?
Pretty sure it had to be Lee.
Maybe we will have to wait???? I hate waiting.

[darlin gal]

people always trying to delete stuff off computers.. hardly ever seems to work

cause computer forensic people are or can be really good,

[passionflower]

Does anyone know 'why' KC lost her job at universal and never could get employed anywhere? Did she ever try to get another job? welfare? etc?

I wonder with all the boyfriend attention and partying how she is living now with mommy dearest and the father she hates???? friends stopping by? anyone know???

[suddenlyobsessed]

I heard mention in a thread a few mins ago that there were the text messages of Casey's in the parking lot forum. I went over to look and didn't see them there and can't remember what thread I saw the original post on. DOes anyone know if the texts have in fact been released???????

[lisa0477]

sorry if asked already, but does anyone know what info they scanned that PI was talking about that we would be the first to know because the media has not told us yet?

[nancy botwin]

I heard mention in a thread a few mins ago that there were the text messages of Casey's in the parking lot forum. I went over to look and didn't see them there and can't remember what thread I saw the original post on. DOes anyone know if the texts have in fact been released???????

They're there! Go to the Jury Room, Post #7.
And thanks again to everyone who worked so hard to secure, scan and host them! :)

[jennjenn]

I've got a question for someone who has been through the phone records.....I was reading through Amy's text messages and I came across texts from a number ending in 71, from a male who really showed alot of interest in Casey. In one text he says "***** came over today and I didn't care....I just want Casey" (may not be exact quote) and some right after the arrest where he seemed really heartbroken and concerned (said he would do n e thing (his spelling) to help her)then later really devastated by the lies. I can't figure out who that was....and have ruled out Jesse, Tony and Ricardo......was thinking maybe will....but I looked through his interview and I don't think it was him, but I couldn't rule him out with a phone number. Anyone know who this was and if he has been interviewed? I also found it odd that they left all those numbers in there like that.....those poor people, couldn't they have coded the darn things?

[jennjenn]

and all the case documents, including cell phone stuff, that has been released can be found here: http://crimsonshadows.net/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,104/Itemid,137/

[Reality Orlando]

I think you bring up a very valid point about Thanksgiving Break weekend.

What I am confused about though, is your intimation that someone from California would fly all the way to Florida for Thanksgiving Break, but couldn't fly to their own parent's home.

I mean, California flight to Florida isn't around the corner, and is perhaps not much closer or cheaper on the airfare than what their parent's home would be - well, unless of course their parents lived in NY, or NJ or something like that. ;)


My thought was he is attending school here but is from California or somewhere an equally long flight away,and his parents still live there. Lots of kids who really can't afford to fly back and forth for both Thanksgiving (just a weekend really) and Christmas which is the much longer break, often go home with local Florida friends for the holiday. UF, Miami, UCF...there are LOTS of top colleges in Florida that are within a few hours drive of Orlando.

[Green Eyes]

I have a question that has been bothering me. I distinctly remember seeing a picture of Caylee's baby doll, the one named "mama" in a picture were it didn't have any clothes on. I know about the picture of the doll with Caylee holding her. where the doll is dressed in pink and Caylee is in the car seat. This is not the one I mean. The one that is in my mind, has the doll, naked, I think somewhere in Casey's car.:confused:

Has anyone else seen this picture? I am going crazy trying to find it. :crazy:

[passin_through]

I have a question that has been bothering me. I distinctly remember seeing a picture of Caylee's baby doll, the one named "mama" in a picture were it didn't have any clothes on. I know about the picture of the doll with Caylee holding her. where the doll is dressed in pink and Caylee is in the car seat. This is not the one I mean. The one that is in my mind, has the doll, naked, I think somewhere in Casey's car.:confused:

Has anyone else seen this picture? I am going crazy trying to find it. :crazy:

I'm in the same boat...I had it in my mind there was this pic. But the only one I really find was a very new looking baby-doll clothed and in Caylee's hands.

I'm starting to wonder if I didn't in my mind connect that picture (the one we all know) with the police records of a 'unclothed soft bodied doll'. I think we can all deduce the doll Caylee holds in her carseat is a soft bodied doll.

I'm seraching for this picture too, though I'm starting to doubt myself and think I combined the image and the inventory in my mind. Gawd this case is nerve wracking! Thank goodness I'm only on the sidelines!

[Green Eyes]

I'm in the same boat...I had it in my mind there was this pic. But the only one I really find was a very new looking baby-doll clothed and in Caylee's hands.

I'm starting to wonder if I didn't in my mind connect that picture (the one we all know) with the police records of a 'unclothed soft bodied doll'. I think we can all deduce the doll Caylee holds in her car seat is a soft bodied doll.

I'm searching for this picture too, though I'm starting to doubt myself and think I combined the image and the inventory in my mind. Gawd this case is nerve wracking! Thank goodness I'm only on the sidelines!


Yay, I knew I wasn't going crazy, other people have seen this picture too, in my minds eye it was naked, upside down and in the floor of the backseat of Casey's car. I have been searching and searching. I am beginning to wonder if that is video footage that was on Nancy Grace. Maybe the before and after commercial footage they play. I watched for it tonight but didn't see it, maybe they changed it.

Has anyone else seen a picture of Caylee's baby doll "mama"? I don't mean the one of Caylee holding the doll in her car seat, were the doll is wearing pink.
If we have seen it, someone else must have too, please help. :confused:

[Lexington]

One thing that I have always been curious about and it may have been asked and answered is where did George go on July 15th after the car had been recovered. Does anyone know for sure? Did he go to work that day? If not, where was he?

[ijam]

Why didn't LE question TonE about the smell in the car since he was with KC when she went to her parents' house on June 20th?
Also did LE question him about KC's laptop the night CA picked her up...his staement was KC was on the laptop when her mom arrived and LA said it was blue screen when he got there to get it later that night...

[ijam]

[QUOTE=ijam;2739281]Why didn't LE question TonE about the smell in the car since he was with KC when she went to her parents' house on June 20th?
Never mind.. I just reread..it was not the 20th...it was the week before....

[icherish]

A really dumb newbie question: What does ETA mean? I notice a lot of posters put that before stating an opinion.

Another dumb question: some people put "moo" at the end of their posts. What's that all about?

[mommya]

They're there! Go to the Jury Room, Post #7.
And thanks again to everyone who worked so hard to secure, scan and host them! :)

Where is the jury room - is it just a thread here?

[Capri]

Question? I was looking at KC phone listing. IS this Jose's (her lawyer) daughter???

Christina xxxx

yes, works at his office

[BondJamesBond]

1) Anyone recognize the interior of the little, possibly-dark-green, crew-cab pick-up Casey's passed out in from her 21st b-day pics? It doesn't appear to be GMC/Ford to me. My guess, based on crowd in some of the other 21st pics is this belongs to Annie D. circle of friends.

2) I don't have the link handy, but, IIRC, the heavy-set brunette w/ curly ~shoulder-length hair was in some of the other 21st bday pics in addition to Annie D. Same girl that was in at least one of the beach pics. Anyone recall her name?

Weigh-in here please:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2739490&postcount=37

[RevCrim]

My first post- sorry if I goof up-

CA in response to Greta's V's question regarding the stolen gas cans-

Greta-"Are these the sheds were there was some report something was stolen from the shed or broken into?"

CA- "Yes, and we actually need to replace a lot of stuff out there. But, yes, this is one of the sheds that we would normally keep locked and normally keep shovels in, which we do keep shovels in."

My question is_ Was CA giving away more information than she intended and correcting herself? In other words- : Was there more stolen than just the gas cans? Like maybe shovels?

[tidbit]

I've been wondering about tax returns. Would be interesting to know if KC reported income, child care expenses, etc. Do y'all know if there's been any mention of tax returns? Oh, and happy Friday!:)

[momtective]

Any way to find out who's cell # this is 407-462-9293?
A reverse search showed it to be a Winter Park #.

Very interesting text messages left from this #
1069 14074629293 N/A 07/20/08
07:59: