Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #41

[Ladybass0711]

Please continue here!

[TravelingBug]

Sorry, I'll repost this here in response to the question.


Is there any known connection between Casey and the city of Warren, OH?

Yes, that's the area they are from in Ohio where the kids were born and lived for part of their life.

"Their daughter, Casey Anthony, who was born in Warren in 1986..."

http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/2...s-valley-ties/

[Hart]

I found what I believe to be new photo albums with new pictures (posted in pic thread- follow the link provided there) some have Caylee's 1st birthday- a few men in attendance and one shows Casey in a wedding dress?

[SeriouslySearching]

Sidebar: Fusian's myspace has "Crazy B*tch by Buckcherry" playing on their site. Kinda catchy if you don't listen too closely! (Warning adult content)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=137329236

I started a thread exclusively for Fusian Ultra Lounge.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2446128#post2446128

[not_my_kids]

Sorry, I'll repost this here in response to the question.



Yes, that's the area they are from in Ohio where the kids were born and lived for part of their life.

"Their daughter, Casey Anthony, who was born in Warren in 1986..."

http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/2...s-valley-ties/



Thank you. I figured it was something like that. I was just curious. Casey has her favorite restaurant listed as one in Warren.

[Blink34]

I found what I believe to be new photo albums with new pictures (posted in pic thread- follow the link provided there) some have Caylee's 1st birthday- a few men in attendance and one shows Casey in a wedding dress?

Excellent Hart, I recommend everybody take a look. Do you know who the men are in the birthday album other than Lee of course..

[RR0004]

Figures...I haven't finished the last thread (almost)...and you're on to a new one.

Just to address some:

Swag- I assume Cindy picked up Amy at her apt. and then drove over to Tony's. Just an assumption.

Blink- Saved the pizza...ot- yup!

Back to the other thread...

[SeriouslySearching]

I found what I believe to be new photo albums with new pictures (posted in pic thread- follow the link provided there) some have Caylee's 1st birthday- a few men in attendance and one shows Casey in a wedding dress?I would believe that to be a prom dress actually or maybe a winter formal. Definitely not a wedding dress, imo.

Thanks for posting those as I had not seen them!! The most touching one to me is Casey with Caylee in the hospital right after her birth. :( How does a woman go from the feelings of that blessed event to such a cold hearted B*tch?!

I did also note that in the photos, the patio built from pavers was there when Caylee was only a baby.

[not_my_kids]

Has anyone noticed the sheer number of gut feelings in the Anthony family? They will say something and then try to justify it by calling it a "gut feeling". George does it, Cynthia does it, Casey does it. THese people have had more gut feelings in a wekk than I have had my entire life.

[LI_Mom]

From Previous thread: SeriouslySearching

I don't see Cindy going all out for this "tough love" theory. I don't see George going to the expense to change the locks either. They wanted to keep Casey and Caylee at home...not prevent her from being there, imo. I didn't get anywhere that Cindy actually wanted Casey to leave, but that Casey decided to leave on her own because of the conflict with Caylee's obvious bond with Cindy.


My feeling:

Casey was tired living under her parent's thumb... she's 22 & sick of their rules... she wants freedom.

Parents tell her fine, leave Caylee here & we'll watch her while you get your life together....

Casey says NO WAY. 1) She doesn't want to lose Caylee permanently OR 2) She knows as long as she HAS Caylee, her parents are more likely to give her money. (This seems much more likely for the immature & self-centered Casey)

She leaves w/ their credit card. And their half-blessings.

She spends a load of money & her parents are still trying to control her life PLUS she's finding out that it costs money to take care of a child... money she could be spending only on herself. Stressful when life smacks you in the face like that.

Caylee dies accidentally OR on purpose.....

Casey really hasn't even had a chance to enjoy her new freedom yet.....

she decides not to tell anyone... especially not her parents, since she doesn't want any potential Caylee funds to dry up yet. She gives her mom endless excuses why Caylee can't come to the phone until the end.

Cindy confronts her about the car & now the fact that Caylee is missing is suddenly undeniable anymore. The 31 days story & lies about how she was searching for her all this time. (Poor Casey... her parents don't know how much she suffered looking for her poor kidnapped baby. Boo hoo)

The walls come crashing down on Casey & Cindy....

[ShouldBWorking]

Excellent Hart, I recommend everybody take a look. Do you know who the men are in the birthday album other than Lee of course..

are you asking about the guy with the long hair?

[RoseRed]

Sorry, I'll repost this here in response to the question.



Yes, that's the area they are from in Ohio where the kids were born and lived for part of their life.

"Their daughter, Casey Anthony, who was born in Warren in 1986..."

http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/2...s-valley-ties/

That link did not work for me but this one should. This is about George Anthony and being LE.

WE WERE DETECTIVES TOGETHER. AND HE BECAME A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. GREAT. SUPER GUY, LOVED HIS FAMILY, GOOD FAMILY GUY. IT'S GOT TO BE HARD ON HIM. ABSOLUTELY HARD. TERRIBLE."--Sheriff Thomas Altiere

http://www.wytv.com/news/crawl/25944914.html

[curiositycat]

I found what I believe to be new photo albums with new pictures (posted in pic thread- follow the link provided there) some have Caylee's 1st birthday- a few men in attendance and one shows Casey in a wedding dress?
Thanks! I just don't get it!! Casey is just movie star gorgeous. How sad that something caused this girl, with her whole life in front of her, to just self-destruct!
:confused:

[not_my_kids]

That link did not work for me but this one should. This is about George Anthony and being LE.

WE WERE DETECTIVES TOGETHER. AND HE BECAME A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. GREAT. SUPER GUY, LOVED HIS FAMILY, GOOD FAMILY GUY. IT'S GOT TO BE HARD ON HIM. ABSOLUTELY HARD. TERRIBLE."--Sheriff Thomas Altiere

http://www.wytv.com/news/crawl/25944914.html




That does make it a little more odd that Casey says she doesn't trust LE. Just when you think it can't get any weirder...

[curiositycat]

Excellent Hart, I recommend everybody take a look. Do you know who the men are in the birthday album other than Lee of course..
I thought I saw Jesus????

[RR0004]

Yikes...don't know if I did this right, but I brought this over from the other thread. Promise no more pizza (or gas cans!)


Quote:


Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2446011#post2446011)
Yes, George did say it was and he did hand it to them from the trash. However, it doesn't mean it wasn't in there to begin with. I actually think it was because I don't think George and Cindy lied about it to LE at that point. I could see Casey trashing the car easily by leaving food etc. in it since she was living a rather nomad lifestyle.

I think maybe George told Cindy AFTER the call about the pizza tho.

Think about it. If George took the gas cans out before LE arrived...he would have also collected the trash out of the car instead of Cindy.

I could never understand the whole pizza in the trunk story. I have NEVER put old food in my trunk (yeah, I know people have put their stinky fish in the trunk)...what are you saving it for? Bringing it home-where's home? GMA also with her little counting theory assumed the pizza was in there from the time the car was abandoned. For all we know, it was in there from February. Nope, I'm not sure the pizza was ever in there. But, who knows, maybe the stain is pizza oil.

[Elley Mae]

I have dibs on the one with the hair.

[SuziQ]

Thanks! I just don't get it!! Casey is just movie star gorgeous. How sad that something caused this girl, with her whole life in front of her, to just self-destruct!
:confused:

It's interesting to compare those pics to recent ones. In the older pics she has a soul behind her eyes. The new ones.....nothing. Even her smile is different now. It's like it's forced and too fake.

[Elley Mae]

Cindy made a comment on one of her many TV appearances and said it had been in ther for 19 days which would make it the 27th June.

[RR0004]

My feeling:

Casey was tired living under her parent's thumb... she's 22 & sick of their rules... she wants freedom.

Parents tell her fine, leave Caylee here & we'll watch her while you get your life together....

Casey says NO WAY. 1) She doesn't want to lose Caylee permanently OR 2) She knows as long as she HAS Caylee, her parents are more likely to give her money. (This seems much more likely for the immature & self-centered Casey)

She leaves w/ their credit card. And their half-blessings.

She spends a load of money & her parents are still trying to control her life PLUS she's finding out that it costs money to take care of a child... money she could be spending only on herself. Stressful when life smacks you in the face like that.

Caylee dies accidentally OR on purpose.....

Casey really hasn't even had a chance to enjoy her new freedom yet.....

she decides not to tell anyone... especially not her parents, since she doesn't want any potential Caylee funds to dry up yet. She gives her mom endless excuses why Caylee can't come to the phone until the end.

Cindy confronts her about the car & now the fact that Caylee is missing is suddenly undeniable anymore. The 31 days story & lies about how she was searching for her all this time. (Poor Casey... her parents don't know how much she suffered looking for her poor kidnapped baby. Boo hoo)

The walls come crashing down on Casey & Cindy....
I definitely think there were issues with Casey and Cindy regarding her lifestyle. I don't think she left to "bond" with her child. I believe that while she lived at home it was easy for Casey to be Caylee's mom...it was in fact just a "part-time" job so to speak. It was "fun" taking Caylee out to be with her friends. I think she had friends who were as young as her with kids of their own, too (seems to be a trend these days). It stopped being fun when she took off and had Caylee on her own. Therein lied the trouble.

[Blink34]

It's interesting to compare those pics to recent ones. In the older pics she has a soul behind her eyes. The new ones.....nothing. Even her smile is different now. It's like it's forced and too fake.

OMG that is so dead on- she is perfectly vacant.

[Elley Mae]

So what was Casey doing with Caylee at 10 10:30 at night so she could go to fusian

[Patty G]

=RR0004;244617 I'm not sure the pizza was ever in there. But, who knows, maybe the stain is pizza oil.

In my thoughts, I am leaving the pizza as a truth in the back of the car, but in no way accepting this was the smell Cindy smelt. I am sticking with the decomp smell as fact.

[tx_Dot]

[QUOTE]I could never understand the whole pizza in the trunk story. I have NEVER put old food in my trunk

Maybe Casey placed rotting food/pizza in the car when she abandoned it....
to mask any lingering 'body' odors.

[Patty G]

So what was Casey doing with Caylee at 10 10:30 at night so she could go to fusian

She was with the babysitter! :bang:

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think it was ever stated the pizza was in the trunk specifically...just in the car. By the way, LE would be able to tell if the pizza was left in the car vs. simply being in the garbage can of the Anthony's. It would be brick hard, imo.

[Elley Mae]

I don't know about you mothers but my daughter would fall asleep in the car seat in minutes. Maybe once she fell asleep Casey put her in the trunk,went in the club and came out crunk and forget about Caylee,by the time she remembered that she was the mother and found her it was too late.

[curiositycat]

It's interesting to compare those pics to recent ones. In the older pics she has a soul behind her eyes. The new ones.....nothing. Even her smile is different now. It's like it's forced and too fake.
That's true! What do we make of that??
Going to go into a bit of speculation here.
We keep saying that we don't know who Casey's father was. What if it was Jesus? What if she loved him and he didn't want to be tied down to a kid. Maybe when he died in the accident it broke her heart.

Another thought..some women see their child as a tie to a man who fathers it. They may see the child as a way of always having the man close by.
Maybe she broke down when Jesus died. That statement by the jail inmate "She is with her dad?"

Don't be too hard on me guys! I just wanted to throw it out here.

[Elley Mae]

CC I thought it was ex boyfriend the jail bird said.

[TravelingBug]

CC I thought it was ex boyfriend the jail bird said.

The dad was probably an 'ex' so perhaps (IF that was said as reported) that was Casey being vague knowing that could lead to dozens of guys who were an 'ex' of some sort.

[curiositycat]

CC I thought it was ex boyfriend the jail bird said.
You are right. Sorry about that. But could she have meant Jesus? Maybe when he was killed all hope of them ever being together died..

[SWAG1959]

I need to refresh my memory - the ex's are?

Jesse, Tony, Ricardo, Jesus, JP, and? Wasn't it also speculated on the daddy - and that included Jesse, Ricardo, Jesus and JP?

[Patty G]

Let's say that there is body fluids in the trunk of the car, as well as a bag or box of pizza also in the trunk of the car. Is it possible for maggots to "hone" in on the body fluids and then some get into the bag or box of pizza too? It is known when a body is in the ground and not protected maggots do come to the body.

Gosh, I hate even writing this ....

[my2cents]

Way, way, way off topic here--

I am not a sleuther. But, FWIW, I would like to do a picture map of a few of the addresses and post it. I do not know how relevant any of it will be, but I would like to map the addresses she gave and add addresses that others have found so we can all kindof see where the area that she most frequented was (friends, the fake babysitter, etc). That way, we can all kindof see where everything is in relation to eachother.

But, I don't know how to do the maps. Can someone help me please? To keep the topic on thread, you can PM me. TIA :)

[mamasooze]

That's true! What do we make of that??
Going to go into a bit of speculation here.
We keep saying that we don't know who Casey's father was. What if it was Jesus? What if she loved him and he didn't want to be tied down to a kid. Maybe when he died in the accident it broke her heart.

Another thought..some women see their child as a tie to a man who fathers it. They may see the child as a way of always having the man close by.
Maybe she broke down when Jesus died. That statement by the jail inmate "She is with her dad?"

Don't be too hard on me guys! I just wanted to throw it out here.

UH, she'd have to have a heart in order for it to break :rolleyes:

[burningsky22]

That's true! What do we make of that??
Going to go into a bit of speculation here.
We keep saying that we don't know who Casey's father was. What if it was Jesus? What if she loved him and he didn't want to be tied down to a kid. Maybe when he died in the accident it broke her heart.

Another thought..some women see their child as a tie to a man who fathers it. They may see the child as a way of always having the man close by.
Maybe she broke down when Jesus died. That statement by the jail inmate "She is with her dad?"

Don't be too hard on me guys! I just wanted to throw it out here.

Good idea, however I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

[LI_Mom]

I found what I believe to be new photo albums with new pictures (posted in pic thread- follow the link provided there) some have Caylee's 1st birthday- a few men in attendance and one shows Casey in a wedding dress?

Hey Hart, that's a great find.

Interesting to me that there are NO pictures of Caylee with her GM, GF or Lee.

I did see GP in the background of one photo, so we know he was definitely the day of the party.

[anastacia129]

My feeling:

Casey was tired living under her parent's thumb... she's 22 & sick of their rules... she wants freedom.

Parents tell her fine, leave Caylee here & we'll watch her while you get your life together....

Casey says NO WAY. 1) She doesn't want to lose Caylee permanently OR 2) She knows as long as she HAS Caylee, her parents are more likely to give her money. (This seems much more likely for the immature & self-centered Casey)

She leaves w/ their credit card. And their half-blessings.

She spends a load of money & her parents are still trying to control her life PLUS she's finding out that it costs money to take care of a child... money she could be spending only on herself. Stressful when life smacks you in the face like that.

Caylee dies accidentally OR on purpose.....

Casey really hasn't even had a chance to enjoy her new freedom yet.....

she decides not to tell anyone... especially not her parents, since she doesn't want any potential Caylee funds to dry up yet. She gives her mom endless excuses why Caylee can't come to the phone until the end.

Cindy confronts her about the car & now the fact that Caylee is missing is suddenly undeniable anymore. The 31 days story & lies about how she was searching for her all this time. (Poor Casey... her parents don't know how much she suffered looking for her poor kidnapped baby. Boo hoo)

The walls come crashing down on Casey & Cindy....

I don't think Casey would have ever left if something had not happened to Caylee. They stayed the night there June 15 and that is the last time Cindy saw Caylee was when she put her to bed that night. There was never any official "I'm leaving" by Casey. Cindy got up and went to work the next day, the 16th, and assumed they were both asleep in Casey's bedroom. Something happened to Caylee that day while in Casey's care and that is why Casey left the house and did not return. She had taken care of the problem, and didn't have the guts to face what had happened and decided to just run from it. The child was never seen again by anyone. She bought as much time on the run as she could, telling her mom that CAylee was asleep, busy, at the bbsitters, anything to keep her mom at bay. She didn't even risk going home to get $ , that's why she was stealing from her friends.

[Patty G]

With all the speculation on who is the father of Caylee, I wouldn't be surprised if all of them (excluding Jesus) gave a DNA sample. Jesse already has taken a paternity test and it proved he was not the father.

I excluded Jesus because of his passing and I don't feel Jesus is even a part of this mess. I think Casey may have known him and used his obit as a way of "naming a father without proof". Another one of Casey's attention-getter ways.

Prior to Caylee going missing Jesus was resting in peace and his family still grieving the loss of their son. Now Jesus's name is popping up all over the place and I think of Jesus's family seeing all that is out there. It is only15 months since Jesus past on.

[LI_Mom]

I don't think Casey would have ever left if something had not happened to Caylee. They stayed the night there June 15 and that is the last time Cindy saw Caylee was when she put her to bed that night. There was never any official "I'm leaving" by Casey. Cindy got up and went to work the next day, the 16th, and assumed they were both asleep in Casey's bedroom. Something happened to Caylee that day while in Casey's care and that is why Casey left the house and did not return. She had taken care of the problem, and didn't have the guts to face what had happened and decided to just run from it. The child was never seen again by anyone. She bought as much time on the run as she could, telling her mom that CAylee was asleep, busy, at the bbsitters, anything to keep her mom at bay. She didn't even risk going home to get $ , that's why she was stealing from her friends.

I can see that scenario as well.

If only we knew for sure the circumstances for Casey 'moving out.'

I don't really blame Cindy & George for not wanting to air all their private business in public.... hopefully they were open with LE and told them exactly when & under what circumstances Casey left.


That last month must have been a real terrible time for the Anthony family... even before they learned Caylee was missing. I feel for them.

[lilacwine]

If you read the comments on her myspace when she was pregnant... and then had Caylee and then got engaged.... she had different friends and without reading what Casey wrote... she seemed (from their comments) to be happily planning for a life as a wife and mother.

Her friends then had kids and were so interested in Caylee...

I suspect George was thinking about this "Casey" when he talked about her not drinking etc....

And to look at those pictures... it explains a bit more about the denial family and friends can feel.... they remember that Casey

[Knoxx]

LI_Mom, I have seen them... they are posted on another forum...its a video, I didnot think it was right for me to post them, I don't want to get in trouble.

Sorry met to say there are pictures of Caylee with her grandparents and Uncle Lee

[Blink34]

are you asking about the guy with the long hair?

I was talking about the three men other than Lee, just confirmation of who they were.

[Blink34]

I thought I saw Jesus????

I am so blonde, I thought you were saying the long haired guy looked like Jesus as in JC- are you saying that is Jesus Ortiz??

[anastacia129]

***dumb question**

who is handling this investigation, technically? Orlando PD or Orange county sherriff?

[burningsky22]

***dumb question**

who is handling this investigation, technically? Orlando PD or Orange county sherriff?

Orange County Sheriff, I thought.

[capoly]

I found what I believe to be new photo albums with new pictures (posted in pic thread- follow the link provided there) some have Caylee's 1st birthday- a few men in attendance and one shows Casey in a wedding dress?


What happen to change this girl's emotions towards her child? Casey holding Caylee as a newborn in the hospital, her face reflects that classic look of disbelief that such a little miracle is hers.

Thank you, Hart, for sharing these.

[cindysnow3]

I found what I believe to be new photo albums with new pictures (posted in pic thread- follow the link provided there) some have Caylee's 1st birthday- a few men in attendance and one shows Casey in a wedding dress?

Thank you Hart... Great find, they are new to me :)

[curiositycat]

I am so blonde, I thought you were saying the long haired guy looked like Jesus as in JC- are you saying that is Jesus Ortiz??
No, if you look through all of the pictures there is one guy, thinner and I thought he may have been Jesus Ortiz. Don't know and I am blonde too so may have been wrong.:crazy:
He is not her brother, not either of the larger guys and not the long haired guy.

[Blink34]

No, if you look through all of the pictures there is one guy, thinner and I thought he may have been Jesus Ortiz. Don't know and I am blonde too so may have been wrong.:crazy:
He is not her brother, not either of the larger guys and not the long haired guy.

oops, back I go...

[Melly53]

I need to refresh my memory - the ex's are?

Jesse, Tony, Ricardo, Jesus, JP, and? Wasn't it also speculated on the daddy - and that included Jesse, Ricardo, Jesus and JP?

There is no proof that Jesus was ever a boyfriend of Casey's or even a friend. It is all just speculation based on the fact that he was someone that died in a car crash that she "might" have known from highschool. JMO

[capoly]

I don't think Casey would have ever left if something had not happened to Caylee. They stayed the night there June 15 and that is the last time Cindy saw Caylee was when she put her to bed that night. There was never any official "I'm leaving" by Casey. Cindy got up and went to work the next day, the 16th, and assumed they were both asleep in Casey's bedroom. Something happened to Caylee that day while in Casey's care and that is why Casey left the house and did not return. She had taken care of the problem, and didn't have the guts to face what had happened and decided to just run from it. The child was never seen again by anyone. She bought as much time on the run as she could, telling her mom that CAylee was asleep, busy, at the bbsitters, anything to keep her mom at bay. She didn't even risk going home to get $ , that's why she was stealing from her friends.

I think this also, anastacia. Though I don't think she "took care of the problem" until the 27th and then, perhaps because of the odor, she placed "the problem" in the Amscot dumpster, unable to return to the car even to retrieve her purse.

[RoseRed]

No, if you look through all of the pictures there is one guy, thinner and I thought he may have been Jesus Ortiz. Don't know and I am blonde too so may have been wrong.:crazy:
He is not her brother, not either of the larger guys and not the long haired guy.

I think Jesus Ortiz died May 8 2006 and this was the first birthday so would be Aug. 8 2006. I do not think it would be Jesus.

[Blink34]

I think Jesus Ortiz died May 8 2006 and this was the first birthday so would be Aug. 8 2006. I do not think it would be Jesus.

Jesus died on May 8, 2007.

[SWAG1959]

Ok - thankx I buy that too - but what about the others? We know Jesse (and per dad)was supposedly "cleared" by paternity test. Then that leaves - who? Ricardo? We know it's not the "new" Tony - Casey just met him this year. So - that just leaves as a possiblity as Ricardo?

[curiositycat]

Jesus died on May 8, 2007.
I was just going to say that.
It was just last year.:)

[Blink34]

Ok - thankx I buy that too - but what about the others? We know Jesse (and per dad)was supposedly "cleared" by paternity test. Then that leaves - who? Ricardo? We know it's not the "new" Tony - Casey just met him this year. So - that just leaves as a possiblity as Ricardo?

Guys, a polite reminder there is a thread in this forum specifically dedicated to the paternity issues.. In an effort to keep organized can we continue it there?
Thanks

[RoseRed]

Ok - thankx I buy that too - but what about the others? We know Jesse (and per dad)was supposedly "cleared" by paternity test. Then that leaves - who? Ricardo? We know it's not the "new" Tony - Casey just met him this year. So - that just leaves as a possiblity as Ricardo?

What about the MySpace guy... Bryson ? spelling.

[anastacia129]

I think this also, anastacia. Though I don't think she "took care of the problem" until the 27th and then, perhaps because of the odor, she placed "the problem" in the Amscot dumpster, unable to return to the car even to retrieve her purse.

Probably, I also read someplace that the boyfriend told LE that she had him pick her up there, at the Amscot, and she told him the car needed to be worked on and that her dad was going to have it either picked up/towed. I think she took care of things 2 times, once , in a hurry in her backyard, then came back and to retrieve , then transported to another place, obviously not far b/c let's be honest....the smell was obviously very overpowering, and she probably figured she could not risk being pulled over or something with that smell in the car. Hince the "close to home" bs she told her brother on the phone.

On another note, I found it odd that the Orlando PD don't have Caylee listed on their website as a missing juevenile. reguardless of who is handling the case, they are from Orlando, correct? strange.

[ebrich]

I think Jesus Ortiz died May 8 2006 and this was the first birthday so would be Aug. 8 2006. I do not think it would be Jesus.

I thought it was last year at the birthday 8/9/07?

[mamasooze]

I think Jesus Ortiz died May 8 2006 and this was the first birthday so would be Aug. 8 2006. I do not think it would be Jesus.
OOh--You think maybe Casey LIED???????????????????:eek:
Face it, she lies like a rug--all over and for no apparent reason.

[mamasooze]

Guys, a polite reminder there is a thread in this forum specifically dedicated to the paternity issues.. In an effort to keep organized can we continue it there?
Thanks
Sorry-could not resist one more Casey Lied :eek:

[Blink34]

Sorry-could not resist one more Casey Lied :eek:


I dont think your off topic to this thread on that, so your ok :)

[capoly]

On another note, I found it odd that the Orlando PD don't have Caylee listed on their website as a missing juevenile. reguardless of who is handling the case, they are from Orlando, correct? strange.
(snipped)


One would think so. Though there are 21 children listed as missing on NCMEC for Orlando yet only 8 on OPD missing children's page.

[asher1979]

I haven't posted on this forum because it's so complex and I can't keep up. But I have a few thoughts.

I know people have discussed Casey having some sort of personality/mental disorder. I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present. These new photos are all about her, her and her. What can make a person change like that?

I'm wondering if she has a disorder that has worsened in recent months or years. Obviously she has lied to people over the years but could it have gotten worse lately? I ask because an old friend of mine has always been bipolar. But when she started partying and doing drugs she developed paranoid schizophrenia. Could something like that have happened to Casey?

I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm typing things clearly. I have an overwhelming feeling of sadness after looking at those new photos of Caylee and Casey. My own 18 month old daughter is away for the weekend (visiting family out of state with my husband, I couldn't go... too much work to do). This is my first time away from her overnight. Combine that with those sweet photos of Casey and Caylee and I can't stop tearing up.

[mamasooze]

Probably, I also read someplace that the boyfriend told LE that she had him pick her up there, at the Amscot, and she told him the car needed to be worked on and that her dad was going to have it either picked up/towed. I think she took care of things 2 times, once , in a hurry in her backyard, then came back and to retrieve , then transported to another place, obviously not far b/c let's be honest....the smell was obviously very overpowering, and she probably figured she could not risk being pulled over or something with that smell in the car. Hince the "close to home" bs she told her brother on the phone.

On another note, I found it odd that the Orlando PD don't have Caylee listed on their website as a missing juevenile. reguardless of who is handling the case, they are from Orlando, correct? strange.

I'm still puzzled about abandoning the car (ack--I'm thinking like Cindy?). We know it stunk. We know there may/may not have had gas (cans in trunk possibly?). It is not broken down as George drove it home-stink, gas and revved engine going, its all there. Wouldn't she have to explain all this to Cindy and George at some point? I saw on another board some questions about the mysteriously missing Blackjack phone. I googled about the phone and it seems to have a GPS. Was the phone in her purse in the abandoned car (or the park)--:confused: But at any rate, its very hard for me to believe that George and Cindy even at this point would believe a single word Casey has to say.

[LI_Mom]

LI_Mom, I have seen them... they are posted on another forum...its a video, I didnot think it was right for me to post them, I don't want to get in trouble.

Sorry met to say there are pictures of Caylee with her grandparents and Uncle Lee

Thanks, Knoxx.

FYI, there's a thread in this forum for posting pics & stuff.


I'm glad there ARE some pictures of Caylee with family members... but there sure weren't any in that particular group of photos. :(

[LI_Mom]

I haven't posted on this forum because it's so complex and I can't keep up. But I have a few thoughts.

I know people have discussed Casey having some sort of personality/mental disorder. I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present. These new photos are all about her, her and her. What can make a person change like that?



Having an infant & having a growing toddler are 2 totally different things.

An infant sleeps most of the time... it really doesn't change your life VERY MUCH, especially if you're living at home & have a built-in babysitter at your disposal.

Once a child gets old enough to start talking & to start "reporting" back to your family... it might cause all sorts of problems for a mother who might not be doing such a great job.

Maybe George was even getting more & more tired of having to take care of Caylee while Casey slept off yet another hangover......

Caylee probably became caught in a sad tug-of-war between the Anthony family towards the end.

[Chanler]

I haven't posted on this forum because it's so complex and I can't keep up. But I have a few thoughts.

I know people have discussed Casey having some sort of personality/mental disorder. I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present. These new photos are all about her, her and her. What can make a person change like that?

I'm wondering if she has a disorder that has worsened in recent months or years. Obviously she has lied to people over the years but could it have gotten worse lately? I ask because an old friend of mine has always been bipolar. But when she started partying and doing drugs she developed paranoid schizophrenia. Could something like that have happened to Casey?

I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm typing things clearly. I have an overwhelming feeling of sadness after looking at those new photos of Caylee and Casey. My own 18 month old daughter is away for the weekend (visiting family out of state with my husband, I couldn't go... too much work to do). This is my first time away from her overnight. Combine that with those sweet photos of Casey and Caylee and I can't stop tearing up.

Thank you, Asher, for a really fine post. So much of what you say sounds both plausible and touching. Like others here, I have fluctuating ideas about Casey's state. It seems, for example, that she has long been a somewhat habitual liar, but I wonder whether that lying and the thefts really became prominent after the Caylee Event. Her callousness now might be an extreme, but not uncommon response to tragedy or a great misdeed. (I'm reminded, for instance, of Hiroshima survivors who continued on with their daily lives even though their city was essentially gone.)

And as for your comment about your daughter, I've never been a parent, but I honestly greatly miss by longtime girlfriend's young nephews when I don't see them.

[lostnfound85]

The amazing fact to me is that Casey was able to hide Cayley's absence from everybody for a month. I know when my mother and mother-in-law law were alive, if they didn't hear from the grandchildren practically every day, and see them at least every few days, they would have the police out.

[anastacia129]

When I was a single mom at 23, I didn't live with my parents, but for a while they were the "guardians" of her. Not b/c of anything I did, I requested they do it, basically because I was having a very hard time adjusting to motherhood, and dealing with a break-up between her dad and I, I just knew I was in over my head. My point is, she (my daughter) in the year and a 1/2 that she spent the majority of her time with my parents (she was with me around 3 nights a week and during the day alot) , she did devleope a bond with them that was naturally deeper than the one with me. I can't tell you how heartbreaking it is at the moment you realize what has happened, and the baby (toddler) wants your parents more than they do you, and cries when they are leaving her with you....it's something I can't easily explain, but it does cause resentment not only toward the parents but toward the child too. even though I was teh person that wanted the space, it still has that effect. I can see some similarities between myself and what Casey might have felt, and I can see how she might not have such a tight bond with Caylee, even though it is her flesh and blood. There were times when I almost felt numb toward my daughter, probably just to avoid the hurt the whole situation created. I don't know how relevant this is to the case, but it may help you see how Casey could be acting the way she is. I am not condoning it by any means, just offering some insight ....and in case you wondered....I did get full custody of my daughter back on her 3rd birthday. It's been hard , but we did eventually get close and now are as close as any other mom/daughter. I just couldn't help but reflect back on those days, this case has reminded me of how far I have come.

[bluedevil21]

In another Local 6 report, Jose Baez was asked about Nancy Grace's mentioning twice on her show Thursday about Carlos Padilla of the Orange County Sherriff's department confirming that Jose had asked for immunity for his client Casey Anthony in return for information. His response was telling: he complained that there'd been so many leaks in the case by the police department and went on to ask how Carlos would know, since "he wasn't there."

A benefit was held for Caylee last night - one reports says about $850 were raised, and another says $860 donated with 1 check.

i just read this in an article. like mentioned yesterday, i think the immunity requests are incredibly telling. an attorney doesn't ask for immunity unless his client has self-incriminating evidence that will add to the public record (warranting an exchange of information for legal protection); however, i think it's ridiculous that a missing child's own mother is asking for it. as for the money raised at the benefit, i'm not surprised (but it is even lower than i expected)...

[anastacia129]

I'm still puzzled about abandoning the car (ack--I'm thinking like Cindy?). We know it stunk. We know there may/may not have had gas (cans in trunk possibly?). It is not broken down as George drove it home-stink, gas and revved engine going, its all there. Wouldn't she have to explain all this to Cindy and George at some point? I saw on another board some questions about the mysteriously missing Blackjack phone. I googled about the phone and it seems to have a GPS. Was the phone in her purse in the abandoned car (or the park)--:confused: But at any rate, its very hard for me to believe that George and Cindy even at this point would believe a single word Casey has to say.

I believe she just told the boyfriend the car broke down as an excuse to get him to pick her up there, so she could abandon the car. I recall now that I saw this on NG, an interview with somebody revealed this info. I can't account for what she planned to tell her parents about the car, other than she obviously wasn't much of a planner...

[RoseRed]

I thought it was last year at the birthday 8/9/07?

It was, sorry, but I was thinking about the 1st year birthday story. Blonde moment! :blushing:

[MsJoni]

Having an infant & having a growing toddler are 2 totally different things.

An infant sleeps most of the time... it really doesn't change your life VERY MUCH, especially if you're living at home & have a built-in babysitter at your disposal.

Once a child gets old enough to start talking & to start "reporting" back to your family... it might cause all sorts of problems for a mother who might not be doing such a great job.

Maybe George was even getting more & more tired of having to take care of Caylee while Casey slept off yet another hangover......

Caylee probably became caught in a sad tug-of-war between the Anthony family towards the end.

ITA, babies are easy, toddlers go through the "terrible twos" and become autonomous and I don't think Casie was prepared for that...

[bluedevil21]

I believe she just told the boyfriend the car broke down as an excuse to get him to pick her up there, so she could abandon the car. I recall now that I saw this on NG, an interview with somebody revealed this info. I can't account for what she planned to tell her parents about the car, other than she obviously wasn't much of a planner...

she told tony that the car ran out of gas and that her dad would come pick it up and fix it. he had no clue...

this is just my opinion, but i think after disposing of the body, she didn't know what to do. so casey, synonymous with the president of mensa, just left it in a random parking lot, hoping that it would get stolen or towed. i dont think she ever counted on it getting towed and a letter being sent to her house informing them of the location; and if so, i think she was planning on blaming it on someone else (read: zanny the nanny), but cindy blew her plan to hell when she immediately called the police. all of casey's lies center around that day - i don't think she was able to think of a good enough, believable story before the cops showed up. hence, on the following day, when LE drove her to the apartment and universal, she was screwed.

[anastacia129]

Caylee probably became caught in a sad tug-of-war between the Anthony family towards the end.
(snipped)

That's exactly what happened with me and my parents, they felt a sense of entitlement to her.. even things as simple as who is buying her halloween costume turned into a major argument. I felt entitled to do those things as the mother, and they wanted to do it because they had a bond and cared for her....it all sounds petty I know, but it really was a big deal at the time.

We are almost treated as siblings sometimes, they would try and discipline her even when I was around, like I wasn't even there...you can see how the roles can be so easily blurred when things like this happen.

[LI_Mom]

I just couldn't help but reflect back on those days, this case has reminded me of how far I have come.

Just wanted to say, I'm so happy your story has such a happy ending!

I totally get what you're saying.... we all grow up & mature at our own rates & sometimes we find ourselves in a situation that we just are NOT ready to handle. No shame in that.

By the way, I hope your relationship with your parents is close now.... I know you must LOVE them dearly for the sacrifices they made for you & your daughter.

If only Casey was able to hold on just a little longer... she might have had a happy ending also. :(

[Knoxx]

Thanks, Knoxx.

FYI, there's a thread in this forum for posting pics & stuff.


I'm glad there ARE some pictures of Caylee with family members... but there sure weren't any in that particular group of photos. :(

I sent you a pm explaining...

[asher1979]

I know what you mean. The toddler stage has been much more overwhelming than the infant stage. There are days when my daughter can make me feel insane. Toddlers are mobile, vocal, temperamental and in the middle of discovering their personality. There are many times during the day when I have to stop myself and take a deep breath.

I'm sure it got too overwhelming for Casey, a young single mom living at home with what appears to be dysfunctional parents. I just look at Casey and all I can think is "Why?" If she didn't want Caylee it's clear her parents did.

[bluedevil21]

If only Casey was able to hold on just a little longer... she might have had a happy ending also.

i agree totally - it is disingenuous to think that casey is the only one to blame in this whole debacle. whether verbal or not, she was crying out for help. cindy should have spoken to her, in that aggressive "i know what is right so please shut up" tone, like she has spoken to nancy grace, larry king, meredith viera, every reporter in the state of florida (this list could go on and on...), etc.

[Elley Mae]

Casey is not just a liar she is a pathological liar, she has lied to everybody in her path,and she has/had a good teacher.

[Nana46]

its on fox news now

[Nana46]

what is in this frigging letter?

[bluedevil21]

its on fox news now

anything good being reported?

[burningsky22]

what is in this frigging letter?

Anyone know if LE can release that?

[anastacia129]

man all I see is a story about some crazy beheading on a bus!?! what's wrong with people???? the world has gone mad, I tell ya!

[Nana46]

Something about her writing that frigging letter
she is in dorm L I think they said
still saying cops removed gas cans
a picture of the fund raiser and that is about it.

and when she is moved she is in shackles away from the other inmate population

[burningsky22]

man all I see is a story about some crazy beheading on a bus!?! what's wrong with people???? the world has gone mad, I tell ya!


LMAO, apparently he was hungary. It was a quick clip. Test results back next week and Ms Casey is writing letters now. Wonder if she know LE can read those?

[Nana46]

LMAO, apparently he was hungary. It was a quick clip. Test results back next week and Ms Casey is writing letters now. Wonder if she know LE can read those?

I think it was posted on here that only her attorneys can see what she writes..I could be wrong, I often am.:)

[cindilou]

ITA, babies are easy, toddlers go through the "terrible twos" and become autonomous and I don't think Casie was prepared for that...

yup.. being 19 with a baby is still about CASEY~ I'm sure she got lots of attention, could parade the baby around when she wanted and then had built in babysitters. But a 2almost 3 year old doesn't do what mom wants all the time anymore! And then no babysitters either.. ? too much for someone so self centered.

I still want to believe it was an accident and Casey didn't mean to hurt Caylee and then panicked and covered it up..knew her freedom was coming to an end so decided to party it up while she still could. Figured she'd keep her lies going as long as she could knowing she'd be caught soon enough and her life was going to be over for good.

Sounds awful, but this woman is not the norm.. I mean she didn't even take Caylee's favorite stuffed animal with them. Shows she didn't care all that much about her daughter !! OK, maybe she forgot it if she didn't leave in a good way, but if she could go back to borrow shovels and steal gas.. (i'm assuming that was Casey) wouldn't she get her baby's favorite stuffed animal?? Unless Caylee didn't need it anymore.. which would mean Caylee was already gone at the time of the shovel borrowing and gas can stealing :(

[cindilou]

ITA, babies are easy, toddlers go through the "terrible twos" and become autonomous and I don't think Casie was prepared for that...

yup.. being 19 with a baby is still about CASEY~ I'm sure she got lots of attention, could parade the baby around when she wanted and then had built in babysitters. But a 2almost 3 year old doesn't do what mom wants all the time anymore! And then no babysitters either.. ? too much for someone so self centered.

I still want to believe it was an accident and Casey didn't mean to hurt Caylee and then panicked and covered it up..knew her freedom was coming to an end so decided to party it up while she still could. Figured she'd keep her lies going as long as she could knowing she'd be caught soon enough and her life was going to be over for good.

Sounds awful, but this woman is not the norm.. I mean she didn't even take Caylee's favorite stuffed animal with them. Shows she didn't care all that much about her daughter!! OK, maybe she forgot it if she didn't leave in a good way, but if she could go back to borrow shovels and steal gas.. (i'm assuming that was Casey) wouldn't she get her baby's favorite stuffed animal?? Unless Caylee didn't need it anymore.. which would mean Caylee was already gone at the time of the shovel borrowing and gas can stealing :(

[brighidin]

I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present.


I agree. Wow, it's like looking at a totally different person.

Thx for posting the link to the pictures, Hart.

[burningsky22]

I think it was posted on here that only her attorneys can see what she writes..I could be wrong, I often am.:)

I will research, but when I was young and dumb, I dated a guy whose 2nd; possibly 1st, home was jail. He told me they can read the letters that are written. I don't think the imates can seal it, so the employees and check for contraban etc. They check the incoming letters as well.

[anastacia129]

Has it ever been mentioned how much gas the stolen cans had in them?

[anastacia129]

If the inmates write "legal" or "media" on the letter, they are not "supposed" to read it. So whatever info they gained by reading it could not be directly acted upon.

[Nickelfoo]

Did George and Cindy go together to retrieve the car? If so, had they made contact with Casey yet?

[STEADFAST]

I will research, but when I was young and dumb, I dated a guy whose 2nd; possibly 1st, home was jail. He told me they can read the letters that are written. I don't think the imates can seal it, so the employees and check for contraban etc
. They check the incoming letters as well.

All outgoing mail from a jail is read before it's posted -- unless it is a letter to the President of the United States. Nobody is allowed to read those (at least that's the way it is in military prison) .

If an inmate gives a letter to his attorney, though, the attorney can simply leave with it. They don't go through the attorney's paperwork.

[LI_Mom]

ITA, babies are easy, toddlers go through the "terrible twos" and become autonomous and I don't think Casie was prepared for that...

NO MOTHER really is prepared for it. lol

Seriously though, if you're still struggling trying to grow up yourself & you're still having mother/daughter conflicts.... it's so much harder to cope with a child who suddenly isn't just a 'doll'... a child who is starting to assert herself.

[Patty G]

I think Jesus Ortiz died May 8 2006 and this was the first birthday so would be Aug. 8 2006. I do not think it would be Jesus.

When Casey made the statement to others that Caylee's father died she said it as "he got killed in a car accident on the way to her (Casey's) birthday party. Casey birthday is in March.

[anastacia129]

PS they found that Riegh girl and the Rockefellar dad, wonder if Cindy will take credit for that , too...

[Ladybass0711]

Has it ever been mentioned how much gas the stolen cans had in them?


50.00 Dollars worth

[RNmomnFL]

It's interesting to compare those pics to recent ones. In the older pics she has a soul behind her eyes. The new ones.....nothing. Even her smile is different now. It's like it's forced and too fake.

ITA! We're talking about Casey, correct? Her pict. from the jail with her hair tucked behind her ears is so lacking in emotion. I don't want to jump to conclusions but it did make me consider her being under the influence of some kind of substance. Of course she was in jail with her world falling apart. Maybe in shock.
Oh yeah, JMO only.

[anastacia129]

50.00 Dollars worth

so it had to be (2) 6 gallon cans? that would be pretty heavy!

[burningsky22]

All outgoing mail from a jail is read before it's posted -- unless it is a letter to the President of the United States. Nobody is allowed to read those (at least that's the way it is in military prison) .

If an inmate gives a letter to his attorney, though, the attorney can simply leave with it. They don't go through the attorney's paperwork.

Ahhhhhhhhhh this is true.

[MsJoni]

NO MOTHER really is prepared for it. lol

Seriously though, if you're still struggling trying to grow up yourself & you're still having mother/daughter conflicts.... it's so much harder to cope with a child who suddenly isn't just a 'doll'... a child who is starting to assert herself.

Exactly!

[RR0004]

Cindy made a comment on one of her many TV appearances and said it had been in ther for 19 days which would make it the 27th June.
Ok...how does she know? The car wasn't in her possession, right? Does that mean they have a receipt for it having been bought on the 27th? I'm just trying to point the ridiculousness of her comments. I do understand the duress she has been under. that's why I always was one to suggest "spokesperson". There's no need to muddle this case anymore than it already is/was.

[burningsky22]

? on the Orange County Inmate Search, what has it said for "Number of holds"?

[whiteangora]

so it had to be (2) 6 gallon cans? that would be pretty heavy!

A gallon of gas weighs approx 6.3 lbs, 2 lbs less than a gal of water.
Probably was carried in 2 trips unless there was an adrenaline rush.

[ShouldBWorking]

A gallon of gas weighs approx 6.3 lbs, 2 lbs less than a gal of water.
Probably was carried in 2 trips unless there was an adrenaline rush.

or 2 people

[RoseRed]

Ok...how does she know? The car wasn't in her possession, right? Does that mean they have a receipt for it having been bought on the 27th? I'm just trying to point the ridiculousness of her comments. I do understand the duress she has been under. that's why I always was one to suggest "spokesperson". There's no need to muddle this case anymore than it already is/was.

Most likely that information was on the Towing bill as reason for towing, being, the car had been there for x number of days.

[RNmomnFL]

What happen to change this girl's emotions towards her child? Casey holding Caylee as a newborn in the hospital, her face reflects that classic look of disbelief that such a little miracle is hers.

Thank you, Hart, for sharing these.

Yes, thank you. I'm crying buckets again over that sweet baby Caylee but it's good to see the real emotion from Casey. Casey loved that baby that much is obvious. Pardon the typos. I can't see.

[TravelingBug]

? on the Orange County Inmate Search, what has it said for "Number of holds"?

I believe originally it was 4 (two of which I think were mental health related). What does it say now?

[Nana46]

quick question...is there somewhere on this site that gives what the abbreviations mean? I have figured most of them out but ITA has me stumped...thanks.:)

[brighidin]

quick question...is there somewhere on this site that gives what the abbreviations mean? I have figured most of them out but ITA has me stumped...thanks.:)

Pretty sure its 'i totally agree'.

[Nana46]

Thanks:)

[lillyfrog]

Casey's stumbleupon page with fave websites saved...

http://caseyomarie.stumbleupon.com/

Youll have to register to see..

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it was posted on here that only her attorneys can see what she writes..I could be wrong, I often am.:)I believe if it is addressed to her Attorney this is true. He can carry it right out and if he is given her expressed permission to share it with her family...he can then do so. Only mail is checked incoming and outgoing. So you are correct. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Casey's stumbleupon page with fave websites saved...

http://caseyomarie.stumbleupon.com/

Youll have to register to see..Would you mind letting us know if there is anything there that is pertinent to the case as to her fav sites? I don't really care to register. Thanks! (Also, please include the link on the myspace links thread so we don't lose it!)

[burningsky22]

I believe originally it was 4 (two of which I think were mental health related). What does it say now?

Home Confinement
undisclosed - 002

[Busylady]

Home Confinement and undisclosed 02 is what it has shown for days. I keep wondering what the two undisclosed holds are.

[Texana]

I think that everyone is right on about the changes from a baby to a toddler. My brother-in-law remarried, had another child with the new wife, and a couple of years later--the other children had issues. The new wife was very confused as to why the delayed reaction, but it was all about the "new kid" starting to impact the family. You can't just drag a toddler or preschooler all over the place, having them in the baby carrier. And you have to start doing some of those more challenging parenting chores--potty training, etc.

And if Casey went from a casual drinker/recreational drug user to a more serious one--her personality could change overnight. Addiction makes for a bad parent.

Combined with a naturally selfish, lying nature, it makes a lethal combination.

[burningsky22]

Home Confinement and undisclosed 02 is what it has shown for days. I keep wondering what the two undisclosed holds are.

k just curious, is said it was updated today 7:38. i was just trying to figure out what was updated.

[Busylady]

IIRC I read something that indicated the inmate database was updated every so many minutes. The 7:38 time might be a general time for the entire data base not per inmate?

k just curious, is said it was updated today 7:38. i was just trying to figure out what was updated.

[Elley Mae]

Home Confinement is the updated version originally the judge wanted the ankle bracelet (martha steward) and changed it,realizing that was to easy.Home confinement would be much harder on the party girl.

[*~Aimee~*]

LMAO, apparently he was hungary. It was a quick clip. Test results back next week and Ms Casey is writing letters now. Wonder if she know LE can read those?

I thought she was gonna give them to Baez so LE could not read them? :waitasec:

[Busylady]

Thank you Hart for finding those photos. It would be nice if the media would splash some of those on the screen over and over.

[anastacia129]

Checking the myspace page, Cindy's page says she's online now, neat!

[lillyfrog]

Would you mind letting us know if there is anything there that is pertinent to the case as to her fav sites? I don't really care to register. Thanks! (Also, please include the link on the myspace links thread so we don't lose it!)


Actually no, nothing pertinent to the case...just perhaps some insight into her personality and someone else put the link up there already..

[RR0004]

I don't think it was ever stated the pizza was in the trunk specifically...just in the car. By the way, LE would be able to tell if the pizza was left in the car vs. simply being in the garbage can of the Anthony's. It would be brick hard, imo.
Good to know after all that!!
I just assumed that was her reason for explaining the odor in the trunk. I guess I should go look for the "pizza interview"...nah!

[burningsky22]

I thought she was gonna give them to Baez so LE could not read them? :waitasec:


I wasn't sure if she would send them and give the to Baez or not.

[Elley Mae]

I believe Baez is the only one that has hands on contact with Casey,and he can receive letters from her to pass on to the family.In the phone conversation between Casey and Lee ,he asked her to send two letters one addressed to him so he could receive one.

[lostnfound85]

I think the whole pizza story was mostly a ruse, to distract from Cindy's original statement about the smell of a dead body. It's been proven time and again that old pizza doesn't smell at all, it just gets rock hard.

[anastacia129]

OK so...going with the theory that she took the gas, lets say she took the gas as one person suggested...to avoid stopping and having someone id her at a later time, or using the cred cards to track her movement. Say she took the gas at the time she was going to leave to dispose of something. Her tank is a 15 gal tank , so for arguments sake we will say it was full. That in addition to the 12 gal stolen would give her 27 gal...and assume it gets a good 20mpg....round trip from her house back to the amscot, with no stops in between , would give a distance of no more than 270 miles both ways. So lets say the furthest she would have taken Caylee was 270 miles....just a theory !!! Where would that lead, or is it even worth discussing?

[SeriouslySearching]

Another thing I would like to see brought out in this case is the intake report on the vehicle when it was brought into the tow yard. They list dents, dings, and contents etc. The gas cans would most likely have been listed on it if they were in the car at the time.

[Nana46]

may have been mentioned...at the bottom of the GM myspace page there is an ad for George and Lee a personal assistant:I guess for all the leg work they have to do

[SeriouslySearching]

OK so...going with the theory that she took the gas, lets say she took the gas as one person suggested...to avoid stopping and having someone id her at a later time, or using the cred cards to track her movement. Say she took the gas at the time she was going to leave to dispose of something. Her tank is a 15 gal tank , so for arguments sake we will say it was full. That in addition to the 12 gal stolen would give her 27 gal...and assume it gets a good 20mpg....round trip from her house back to the amscot, with no stops in between , would give a distance of no more than 270 miles both ways. So lets say the furthest she would have taken Caylee was 270 miles....just a theory !!! Where would that lead, or is it even worth discussing?It is a good theory. If LE would triangulate her phone to the cell towers for the time period in question...they would already know almost exactly where she went.

[ShouldBWorking]

not sure if this is the case in FL but hubby use to own a towing company he said if a car is impounded per a police order or a repo they will inventory but if a car is towed form a business by the owner of the business in Ohio they do not inventory contents

[LI_Mom]

If only Casey was able to hold on just a little longer... she might have had a happy ending also.

i agree totally - it is disingenuous to think that casey is the only one to blame in this whole debacle. whether verbal or not, she was crying out for help. cindy should have spoken to her, in that aggressive "i know what is right so please shut up" tone, like she has spoken to nancy grace, larry king, meredith viera, every reporter in the state of florida (this list could go on and on...), etc.

If I had to bet... I'd say Cindy, George & even Lee spoke to Casey a million times.... read her the riot act.... whatever....

Let's be honest here.... conflicts between mothers & daughters are VERY usual & if you have 2 very strong personalities like you do in this family... the other members of the family usually are at a loss to get EITHER side to calm down & change their opinions/behaviors.

I don't think this family is as 'abnormal' as we'd like to believe... I think it was pretty typical BUT this tragedy occurred & they were caught like a deer in the headlights.

Now you have one mother who's guilt is overwhelming her & another mother who is probably an expert at using guilt as a weapon to get her own way. Expert enough to have the emotional strength to hold off LE and the FBI.... with no thought to the serious consequences of this game she's playing.

I think you have to separate these 2... completely.... remove Casey's main adversary from the picture & see if she softens.

[ShouldBWorking]

It is a good theory. If LE would triangulate her phone to the cell towers for the time period in question...they would already know almost exactly where she went.

if your phone is turned off this wouldn't work correct?

[SeriouslySearching]

may have been mentioned...at the bottom of the GM myspace page there is an ad for George and Lee a personal assistant:I guess for all the leg work they have to doAnd how do they propose to pay for such a service? Interesting.

[SeriouslySearching]

if your phone is turned off this wouldn't work correct?No, it would still work is my understanding. I will have to go back to the research we did in another case to find it...but I believe this is correct.

[drip~drop]

Did George and Cindy go together to retrieve the car? If so, had they made contact with Casey yet?

Hi foo-foo!:blowkiss:
As far as we know, it was George.

Those letters Casey is writting, I sure hope we get to see them and ry to break the code!

[Dryad]

"Apparently Casey Anthony grieves her missing daughter with a beer and a push-up bra!"...Nancy Grace when someone suggested that everyone grieves differently and this was just her way of coping with it.

[TravelingBug]

And how do they propose to pay for such a service? Interesting.

Someone posted them earlier, but they were actually "no compensation" positions with quite the amount of expectations :rolleyes: I guess that's better than using money from the benefit or such, but it is interesting that they don't seem to have friends/family/community folk assisting them in these roles.


Personal Assistant to George Anthony

24 hours On-Call DAILY
Locations: Charity office space located near Sand Lake Road and Orange Blossom Trail, Anthony Family Residence at 4937 Hopespring Drive Orlando, and also the possibility of working from home.
Purpose: Coordinate daily volunteer efforts at Publix Tent location and Call Center location. Check emails from the public offering to help volunteer, distribute supplies, and/or donate supplies or resources towards the search efforts. Will also be responsible for scheduling volunteers, and to assist in coordinating distribution of supplies to individuals/areas nationally.
Skills/Resources Required: Must have a valid drivers license and a personal cell phone. Ability to take and execute direction given by George Anthony. Great organizational skills, ability to multi-task, Windows-based computer skills to include Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Outlook), Internet Explorer, and email. Ability to lift 50 lbs and work with little to no supervision. There is no compensation for this position.

Whom to Contact: George Anthony - 407-403-3564 cell - georgehope4937@yahoo.com

Personal Assistant to Lee Anthony

24 hours On-Call DAILY
Locations: TBD, willing to travel within greater Orlando area with the potential for out of state travel.
Purpose: Run errands, schedule meetings, answer emails, update Myspace and HelpFindCaylee.com websites, etc.
Skills/Resources Required: Must own or have regular access to a personal computer, cell phone, and reliable transporation. Must have a valid drivers license. Ability to take and execute direction given by Lee Anthony. Great organizational skills, ability to multi-task, and work with little to no supervision. Knowledge of how to maintain a myspace page, basic html/website design, and other internet based resources such as search engines and news media sites is a must. This is a jack-of-all-trades position that may be cross utilized in all aspects of the search for Caylee as well as any personal need of the Anthony family, as directed by Lee Anthony. There is no compensation for this position.

Whom to Contact: Lee Anthony - 407-808-5132 cell - LeeAAnthony@gmail.com

[Bobby62]

Not a very interesting video but it is Jesse...

http://www.wftv.com/video/17062918/index.html

[earthacademy]

Hello. I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if this was already posted. someone posted this on a mom and her blog and I thought I would put it here in case you hadn't seen them. totally disgusted with this whole case. This wacko has some serious issues. :mad:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/equalizeyou/sets/72157606457786791/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/equalizeyou/sets/72157606457786791/)

[SWAG1959]

Ok - now I already know some of you long time regulars on here don't believe or really care for this one guy, Brian, BUT - I went looking for the "paternity" thread earlier and stumbled across a new thread called - "Has anyone looked at this yet? Possible location of Caylee". It is a fairly new posting/thread so I clicked on it. There are maps and discussions of where Caylee could possibly be. I don't know if these people are psychics or what but it was still very interesting stuff. As I was reading there was a posting for 8/1/08 and a link for an audio discussion. I found this to be very interesting and wondering if anyone up there has at least checked out some of these places - if for nothing else to prove these people wrong. The audio link is below and is quite long, if you are interested. This thread has only had 465 views - so I don't think alot of people have looked at this yet. On the audio there is this guy Brian and a woman, Gayle and a couple of other guys. After I was done I checked some other comments and found that some of the long time regulars don't really care for this guy Brian - so please be kind to me for posting this. I find it still interesting and at least worthy of checking out. At this point, ANYTHING is worth checking.

Also, along the lines of psychics - - I'm wondering if Sylvia Brown has been contacted or maybe even offered up any thoughts. I know Sylvia has been called in by LE on other high profile cases - and if she has - we might not know about it.

For those of you who don't care for this type of "sleuthing" - I deeply apologize. Just keep scrolling and "don't mind me".

Here's the link to the audio for those of you who would care to listen -

http://www.************.com/gale/audio/sosradio1.MP3

[anastacia129]

It is a good theory. If LE would triangulate her phone to the cell towers for the time period in question...they would already know almost exactly where she went.

I have always thought that would be the missing link to figure out where she was, unfortunately, that technology is widely known and if she knew they could track her this way, she could have easily gotten a prepaid phone or even a phone off the rack of convenient store. If she didn't have her real phone with her everyday, then Cindy's testimony that she heard from her every day would be false. On the other hand.....if she did have a pre paid or off the rack phone, and DID contact her mom with it...Cindy would have noticed the new # obviously...that would be a good point for Casey to come up with this "missing blackjack" she only had for a week.....they would have no way of knowing what kind of phone she was calling from. I don't know if it's ever been said wether the BJ was tied to the same #, or if the daily phonecalls were verified by LE, they haven't made that info public...

[Bobby62]

And how do they propose to pay for such a service? Interesting.


The PA ad also says it is a non paying position.

[LI_Mom]

quick question...is there somewhere on this site that gives what the abbreviations mean? I have figured most of them out but ITA has me stumped...thanks.:)

It IS so confusing, isn't it?


For future reference, if you're confused:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/

[burningsky22]

if your phone is turned off this wouldn't work correct?

It depends on the cell phone. Some you can with it turned off. I guess it would have to do if the gps system is hardware of software. If it is hardware, then yes. If it is just software, turning the phone of will stop the tracking. Most cell phones now have to have tracking of some sort. I dropped my cell in water once and had to activate a new one, but my wireless provider said it have to be 911 compliant.

[Nickelfoo]

Hi foo-foo!:blowkiss:
As far as we know, it was George.

Those letters Casey is writting, I sure hope we get to see them and ry to break the code!


Hey Rainie,

I am just wondering, if the car smelled like decomp, had they actually spoken with Casey at that point? I do not understand why GP would even touch the car if it smelled that way? Why would he not call LE so as not to contaminate any evidence.

[RR0004]

When I was a single mom at 23, I didn't live with my parents, but for a while they were the "guardians" of her. Not b/c of anything I did, I requested they do it, basically because I was having a very hard time adjusting to motherhood, and dealing with a break-up between her dad and I, I just knew I was in over my head. My point is, she (my daughter) in the year and a 1/2 that she spent the majority of her time with my parents (she was with me around 3 nights a week and during the day alot) , she did devleope a bond with them that was naturally deeper than the one with me. I can't tell you how heartbreaking it is at the moment you realize what has happened, and the baby (toddler) wants your parents more than they do you, and cries when they are leaving her with you....it's something I can't easily explain, but it does cause resentment not only toward the parents but toward the child too. even though I was teh person that wanted the space, it still has that effect. I can see some similarities between myself and what Casey might have felt, and I can see how she might not have such a tight bond with Caylee, even though it is her flesh and blood. There were times when I almost felt numb toward my daughter, probably just to avoid the hurt the whole situation created. I don't know how relevant this is to the case, but it may help you see how Casey could be acting the way she is. I am not condoning it by any means, just offering some insight ....and in case you wondered....I did get full custody of my daughter back on her 3rd birthday. It's been hard , but we did eventually get close and now are as close as any other mom/daughter. I just couldn't help but reflect back on those days, this case has reminded me of how far I have come.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
You have so many reasons to be proud!

[LI_Mom]

Home Confinement is the updated version originally the judge wanted the ankle bracelet (martha steward) and changed it,realizing that was to easy.Home confinement would be much harder on the party girl.

From the looks at her pictures.... it seemed like there was plenty of partying right in her home.

Though I do wonder how many friends of hers would still be interested in sitting in her house drinking & laughing it up.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ok - now I already know some of you long time regulars on here don't believe or really care for this one guy, Brian, BUT - I went looking for the "paternity" thread earlier and stumbled across a new thread called - "Has anyone looked at this yet? Possible location of Caylee". It is a fairly new posting/thread so I clicked on it. There are maps and discussions of where Caylee could possibly be. I don't know if these people are psychics or what but it was still very interesting stuff. As I was reading there was a posting for 8/1/08 and a link for an audio discussion. I found this to be very interesting and wondering if anyone up there has at least checked out some of these places - if for nothing else to prove these people wrong. The audio link is below and is quite long, if you are interested. This thread has only had 465 views - so I don't think alot of people have looked at this yet. On the audio there is this guy Brian and a woman, Gayle and a couple of other guys. After I was done I checked some other comments and found that some of the long time regulars don't really care for this guy Brian - so please be kind to me for posting this. I find it still interesting and at least worthy of checking out. At this point, ANYTHING is worth checking.

Also, along the lines of psychics - - I'm wondering if Sylvia Brown has been contacted or maybe even offered up any thoughts. I know Sylvia has been called in by LE on other high profile cases - and if she has - we might not know about it.

For those of you who don't care for this type of "sleuthing" - I deeply apologize. Just keep scrolling and "don't mind me".

Here's the link to the audio for those of you who would care to listen -

http://www.************.com/gale/audio/sosradio1.MP3We don't mind different points of view here...however, his is outright fraud...in my honest opinion.

For starters, I looked at this particular one since someone put the thread up...I will take my findings to that thread so maybe you can join me there. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

It IS so confusing, isn't it?


For future reference, if you're confused:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/LOL That probably won't help much on this site as we have different meanings for a lot of things than normal people. I will put up a thread so people can find things easier. (We have had to do this before. LOL)

[LI_Mom]

It depends on the cell phone. Some you can with it turned off. I guess it would have to do if the gps system is hardware of software. If it is hardware, then yes. If it is just software, turning the phone of will stop the tracking. Most cell phones now have to have tracking of some sort. I dropped my cell in water once and had to activate a new one, but my wireless provider said it have to be 911 compliant.

I think turning off the GPS basically means other user devices can't locate you BUT it wouldn't stop LE from tracking you through the pings on your cellphone as you pass cellphone towers.

If you don't want to be tracked, you have to shut off your phone & maybe even remove the battery.

[whiteangora]

I just added a new link in the Players link section, it mentions relatives of the Anthonys in Warren and also says Caylee's Great Uncle believes George WAS a Homicide Detective.
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/508668.html?nav=5021

[angela]

Hello. I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if this was already posted. someone posted this on a mom and her blog and I thought I would put it here in case you hadn't seen them. totally disgusted with this whole case. This wacko has some serious issues. :mad:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/equalizeyou/sets/72157606457786791/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/equalizeyou/sets/72157606457786791/)
It is sick to see those photos but some of the captions under the pics are hilarious.

[burningsky22]

I think turning off the GPS basically means other user devices can't locate you BUT it wouldn't stop LE from tracking you through the pings on your cellphone as you pass cellphone towers.

If you don't want to be tracked, you have to shut off your phone & maybe even remove the battery.


If it is hardware they could still track it either way. I guess kinda like in the movies when they put tracking devices under the car.

[SWAG1959]

We don't mind different points of view here...however, his is outright fraud...in my honest opinion.

For starters, I looked at this particular one since someone put the thread up...I will take my findings to that thread so maybe you can join me there. :)
Ok - I am there - you coming? We can discuss it there appropriately.

[RR0004]

Most likely that information was on the Towing bill as reason for towing, being, the car had been there for x number of days.
Oh, I was talking about the pizza!

[LI_Mom]

LOL That probably won't help much on this site as we have different meanings for a lot of things than normal people. I will put up a thread so people can find things easier. (We have had to do this before. LOL)

Good stinkin' ;)

If you can make it a sticky &/or maybe have it in the "Forum Information & Esoterica (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=160)" section it would be great!

For specific cases, it would probably be helpful too as people always end up using initials to talk about the endless characters in the case.

It's a wonder we're not all insane.

Wait! We're NOT.... insane....... are we? *twitch, twitch* lol

[RR0004]

quick question...is there somewhere on this site that gives what the abbreviations mean? I have figured most of them out but ITA has me stumped...thanks.:)
I totally agree...ITA

[LI_Mom]

If it is hardware they could still track it either way. I guess kinda like in the movies when they put tracking devices under the car.

Scary, huh?


From Wiki:

Newer phones may have built-in GPS receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System) which could be used in a similar fashion, but with much higher accuracy.
Some newer phones and technology may also allow the tracking of the phone even when turned off or, at least, have the microphone activated.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone_tracking#cite_note-2) Also, phones can have secondary batteries installed to allow tracking even if the battery is removed.

[burningsky22]

Scary, huh?


From Wiki:

Newer phones may have built-in GPS receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System) which could be used in a similar fashion, but with much higher accuracy.
Some newer phones and technology may also allow the tracking of the phone even when turned off or, at least, have the microphone activated.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone_tracking#cite_note-2) Also, phones can have secondary batteries installed to allow tracking even if the battery is removed.


Right??? So much for privacy.

[SWAG1959]

Hey mom of five - I PM earlier today when you weren't on. Have you had a chance to read it yet?

[SeriouslySearching]

Good stinkin' ;)

If you can make it a sticky &/or maybe have it in the "Forum Information & Esoterica (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=160)" section it would be great!

For specific cases, it would probably be helpful too as people always end up using initials to talk about the endless characters in the case.

It's a wonder we're not all insane.

Wait! We're NOT.... insane....... are we? *twitch, twitch* lolHere you go! It is included in an Off Topic thread to unwind a bit now and then...to keep the twitching to a minimum. LOL

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2446729#post2446729

[strach304]

so it had to be (2) 6 gallon cans? that would be pretty heavy!


Good point!!! I have wondered for awhile if it was really the gas that was the purpose of the break in to begin with. Possibly something else was missing that George may not have noticed and the questioning by LE/FBI is what sent the csi unit and detectives there. There's the possibility of an accomplice they want to test the gas cans for prints?

Casey could have easily used that gas to cover up any evidence in the trunk of the car and not much at that. The excuse being that it spilled, leaked, etc. Scott Peterson used gasoline and fertilizer to mask Laci's scent from cadaver dogs.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ok - I am there - you coming? We can discuss it there appropriately.Sorry...yes.

[Carrington]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17069694/index.html

I feel so sorry for George. Casey really needs to see this video.
IMO

[JanPat]

I know people have discussed Casey having some sort of personality/mental disorder. I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present. These new photos are all about her, her and her. What can make a person change like that?

I'm wondering if she has a disorder that has worsened in recent months or years. Obviously she has lied to people over the years but could it have gotten worse lately? I ask because an old friend of mine has always been bipolar. But when she started partying and doing drugs she developed paranoid schizophrenia. Could something like that have happened to Casey?




I'm guessing she turned 21--the legal drinking age--and it went downhill from there. Most of these clubs are pretty firm about ID. When you enter you get a wristband that signifies whether you are able to drink or not. It allows the younger crowd, particularly the college kids, to partake of the fun without the club risking it's liquor license. That's not to say she wasn't drinking before she was 21, but I bet that once she turned "legal" it accelerated. :eek:

And yes, adding alcohol and/or drugs could definitely push someone who was already borderline on the mental stability right over the cliff!

[SWAG1959]

I'm guessing she turned 21--the legal drinking age--and it went downhill from there. Most of these clubs are pretty firm about ID. When you enter you get a wristband that signifies whether you are able to drink or not. It allows the younger crowd, particularly the college kids, to partake of the fun without the club risking it's liquor license. That's not to say she wasn't drinking before she was 21, but I bet that once she turned "legal" it accelerated. :eek:

And yes, adding alcohol and/or drugs could definitely push someone who was already borderline on the mental stability right over the cliff!
COMPLETELY O/T - but the Clubs down here in Lauderdale - used to stamp the under 21ers hands or with wristbands that said 'LOSER' - lol

[RR0004]

It is sick to see those photos but some of the captions under the pics are hilarious.
wrong date for the pics, too

[MsJoni]

It is sick to see those photos but some of the captions under the pics are hilarious.

yes they are...does anyone know who wrote the captions?

[drip~drop]

And how do they propose to pay for such a service? Interesting.

Pay? Oh, they certainly don't plan on paying anybody. And you must be on-call 24/6 )Sundays off):rolleyes:

[angela]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17069694/index.html

I feel so sorry for George. Casey really needs to see this video.
IMO

I think George and Lee know there is a good chance they may never see Caylee again. Cindy may know it in her heart too. I think Lee and George are suspicious of Casey's involvement. Cindy just isnt ready yet.

[LI_Mom]

I'm guessing she turned 21--the legal drinking age--and it went downhill from there. Most of these clubs are pretty firm about ID. When you enter you get a wristband that signifies whether you are able to drink or not. It allows the younger crowd, particularly the college kids, to partake of the fun without the club risking it's liquor license. That's not to say she wasn't drinking before she was 21, but I bet that once she turned "legal" it accelerated. :eek:

And yes, adding alcohol and/or drugs could definitely push someone who was already borderline on the mental stability right over the cliff!

This is probably a bit off topic, but I do question the logic of encouraging underage kids to hang out at a place where drinking is going on.

If they're NOT old enough to drink, then why are they mature enough to hang out with drinkers? It's crazy to pretend older people AREN'T buying extra drinks & leaving them on the table for the kids to 'steal.' What easier way to 'get' the girl than to give her drinks? And what better way to get the older guy than to show how grown up & cool you are?

I'm sure the vast majority of the kids in these places ARE drinking.


I reserve the right to NOT be impressed with the "wristband" system.... all that tells me is who is legal to BUY drinks & who has to hide their drinks under the table if someone 'official' looking walks by.

[shemc]

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
You have so many reasons to be proud!

anastacia129,

The difference between you and Casey is you made the hard decisions and did the right thing. This experience will make you a better grandmother and mother to your adult daughter. We all goof up as young mothers... not many of us did it perfect and most of us look back and shutter at some of our decisions. You are not alone. :heart:

[drip~drop]

Hey Rainie,

I am just wondering, if the car smelled like decomp, had they actually spoken with Casey at that point? I do not understand why GP would even touch the car if it smelled that way? Why would he not call LE so as not to contaminate any evidence.

George has never mentioned decomp but Cindy did to 911. Casey was right besides her at the time.
One would think an ex homocide detective would have picked up on that huh? So, maybe he did and just won't say.

Foo, we can't rationalize anything this family does. They are waaay more out there then J&L Peterson were.

It's just very strange how the family has gone about..well....everything!!

We can only hope somebody finds Caylee.:(

:blowkiss:

[RoseRed]

Another thing I would like to see brought out in this case is the intake report on the vehicle when it was brought into the tow yard. They list dents, dings, and contents etc. The gas cans would most likely have been listed on it if they were in the car at the time.

Wouldn't they have also listed a death smell?

[anastacia129]

:)thank you shemc and RR0004 for your kind words.

[not_my_kids]

:)thank you shemc and RR0004 for your kind words.



Anastacia...I would like to congarulate you too. It's not often that we hear about the good moms anymore. The bad ones get all the publicity.:)

[JanPat]

This is probably a bit off topic, but I do question the logic of encouraging underage kids to hang out at a place where drinking is going on.

If they're NOT old enough to drink, then why are they mature enough to hang out with drinkers? It's crazy to pretend older people AREN'T buying extra drinks & leaving them on the table for the kids to 'steal.' What easier way to 'get' the girl than to give her drinks? And what better way to get the older guy than to show how grown up & cool you are?

I'm sure the vast majority of the kids in these places ARE drinking.


I reserve the right to NOT be impressed with the "wristband" system.... all that tells me is who is legal to BUY drinks & who has to hide their drinks under the table if someone 'official' looking walks by.


ITA. I'm not a fan of it either, but it is what it is. :rolleyes: I do, however, think that reaching that magic age 21 probably accelerated a process that was already in motion and would explain why Casey seems to have changed so much since those pics early in Caylee's life.

[Nickelfoo]

Georger has never mentioned decomp but Cindy did to 911. Casey was right besides her at the time.
One would think an ex homocide detective would have picked up on that huh? So, maybe he did and just won't say.

Foo, we can't rationalize anything this family does. They are waaay more out there then J&L Peterson were.

It's just very strange how the family has gone about..well....everything!!

We can only hope somebody finds Caylee.:(

:blowkiss:

I understand what you are saying. I am just trying to understand the timelines. Do you know if Cindy had spoken to Casey when GP went to get the car?

[not_my_kids]

I know that this is a long shot, but has anyone brought up the case of Sabrina Paige Aisenburg?
Here's the link.
I just think that her appearance is similar and her the area is right and the circumstances around her going missing are downright odd.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/aisenberg_sabrina.html

[SeriouslySearching]

Wouldn't they have also listed a death smell?No. They wouldn't. They SHOULD have called LE, but obviously they did not.

[SeriouslySearching]

Tricia, the owner of Websleuths, will be interviewed on the radio in a few minutes discussing our website and several cases. Please join us: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68391

[shemc]

I know a few people have asked this question but I don't see where anyone knew the answer. Did Cindy and George really "vacation" during that time the gas was stolen and the car notice was received by them?

Did they get in the car and try to find Casey and Caylee? Do they feel it would make Casey look worse if they admitted they didn't believe that Caylee was "busy" each time Cindy asked to speak to her. Lets face it, after about the 10th time asking to speak to your grandchild, even grandmothers with an IQ in the double digits would start worrying about the baby.

Where did they go and why is it a secret??

[SeriouslySearching]

There has been no definitive answer on where they went, if anywhere. She did say she was on vacation, but it might have meant she was simply "off work". We do know they weren't home on the 24th when the shed was broken into and that is all.

[mydailyopinions]

Cindy Anthony's myspace page now says:

www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing _ (Cindy- grandma) This profile will be deleted Monday Aug 4th. Please friend request Caylee Is Missing! www.HelpFindCaylee.com

Could this mean something?

[nnglas]

I have a question. Does anybody know how the press got all the pictures of Casey partying?

[SeriouslySearching]

One of our posters found them, but not sure how Fox landed them. However, since they had the two photographers in an interview...it would be a good bet they sent them into the media.

[RR0004]

Geraldo is on and expected to talk about the timeline.

[SeriouslySearching]

Cindy Anthony's myspace page now says:

www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing _ (Cindy- grandma) This profile will be deleted Monday Aug 4th. Please friend request Caylee Is Missing! www.HelpFindCaylee.com

Could this mean something?It probably means that Lee is trying to keep up with them all and since they say the same thing...he is consolidating.

[websurfer]

Giraldo is on and expected to talk about the timeline.


I think it happened whatever IT was right after visiting granpap in the Senior Facility?

[SeriouslySearching]

Giraldo is on and expected to talk about the timeline.Tricia is coming on in a few seconds on www.kdka.com to talk about WS!! I prefer to listen to her! You can easily listen online. Join us here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2446957#post2446957

[Hart]

They are posted online (her myspace, photobucket and similar sites). I assume they did a web search for her various emails and known screen names. Names on there may lead to to further searches. A deeper search program is available to media and LE. If you post something online somewhere- it can be found, EVERYTHING (even if deleted) leaves a trail. They apparently don't have the ones I posted w/link today- feel free to forward to media outlets via email.

[ShouldBWorking]

I think Cindy is tired of the hate mail she is getting

[not_my_kids]

I think Cindy is tired of the hate mail she is getting


I agree, fewer sites, fewer places for people to send their hate mail.

[whiteangora]

Geraldo is on and expected to talk about the timeline.

Also said they will be daddy hunting, I think his bro Craig is doing some foot work.

[whiteangora]

They are posted online (her myspace, photobucket and similar sites). I assume they did a web search for her various emails and known screen names. Names on there may lead to to further searches. A deeper search program is available to media and LE. If you post something online somewhere- it can be found, EVERYTHING (even if deleted) leaves a trail. They apparently don't have the ones I posted w/link today- feel free to forward to media outlets via email.

I think the media got most of their pictures from the links right here provided by the sleuthers.

[RoseRed]

I agree, fewer sites, fewer places for people to send their hate mail.

I don't understand all the hate that is being expressed at the different sites. photo captions and email and such.

I understand it is a very bad thing that is happening but I still don't understand the outpouring of hatred and how that solves any problems or creates a solution.

Maybe I am just to new to following crime and hatred is a normal end result and I will get use to seeing and reading over time. But right now it really hurts my heart to see so much hatred and mockery.

[wedavis]

I don't know about you mothers but my daughter would fall asleep in the car seat in minutes. Maybe once she fell asleep Casey put her in the trunk,went in the club and came out crunk and forget about Caylee,by the time she remembered that she was the mother and found her it was too late.

Maybe she knows that if a body has been decomposing for x days it would be impossible to figure out the cause of death. She may be stalling with the 30 days and all the lies. After enough time has passed she will "crack" and tell them this "real story" so she can claim it was an accident.

[kathyn2]

According to Geraldo show, Casey just changed recently. Her father said she didn't drink etc and was known as 'mom' to her friends because she was so motherly to Caylee. It wasn't til she met Lazzaro that she started in with all this clubbing and drinking and got a new crowd of friends and became unreliable.

[DianeB]

Did Geraldo just call Casey "slutty"?

He's really putting Tony Lazzaro under the microscope by saying that Casey completely changed once she started dating him.

[SeriouslySearching]

The owner of the Websleuths, Tricia, is currently being interviewed on the radio for the next 30 minutes. www.kdka.com Go to the Life Lounge link then click the live link on the right to listen!! It is exciting and she is discussing the site plus other cases.

[fategoddess]

In the newest pictures of Casey & Caylee it did appear that she was a good & loving mother. I'm so curious to know what went wrong, and how this situation turned into such a tragedy.

[DianeB]

Geraldo: "She was slutting it up at the Fusian club."

He's showing the girl-on-girl dancing and toilet-leaning photos. Nice.

[Knoxx]

Did Geraldo just call Casey "slutty"?

He's really putting Tony Lazzaro under the microscope by saying that Casey completely changed once she started dating him.

Yes!!!!!

[DianeB]

Now he's showing the bedroom photo with Casey sprawled on top with Tony (?) and the guy looking like he's passed out on the floor.

[Pugmomma]

The new photos from the early years of Caylee's life that Hart found today have really hit me hard. I must say, Casey looks at Caylee with all of the love that we want to see in our mother's eyes. She looks truly delighted to be a mom (the one with her and a newborn Caylee is especially touching - and heartbreaking).

I've thought about these photos all day. And in the end, I think Casey really did love being a mom - at first. The first year is filled with LOTS of attention (everyone loves babies) and lots of firsts. But then Caylee was 2 - and walking, and talking, and running, and demanding more responsibility than ever. To make matters worse, Casey was now 21 and everyone around her was enjoying a carefree life of clubs, drinks, and dancing. She was the outcast amongst her social circle. Couple that with the "terrible twos" and who knows where her head was.

Already longing for the club filled life of her friends Casey met Tony - a big name in downtown nightlife. And he represented everything she wanted and didn't have. And there was no way she could be a part of his life and lifestyle with full time mommy duties (diapers and dj booths don't match folks). Suddenly life in the fast lane seems more alluring than potty training.

I know this is a long post and you're thinking "you haven't contributed anything" and you're 100% correct. I'm just finally making some strides in understanding some possible psychological reasons Caylee's gone and Casey is in jail. Do I know what happened to Caylee...no. Can I explain why Casey is acting the way she is...no. Do I in any way say that whatever happened is ok...HELL no. I'm just simply saying when you strip away the details and look at a young girl who has a baby young you can understand reasons she might rethink that decision 2 years later.

[burningsky22]

I have a question. Does anybody know how the press got all the pictures of Casey partying?

I am guessing the same way we did.:smile:

[ebrich]

I have a question. Does anybody know how the press got all the pictures of Casey partying?

I believe photobucket.
when NG showed them it said "wftv/photobucket" I believe. It could have been another show, not NG.

[anastacia129]

According to Geraldo show, Casey just changed recently. Her father said she didn't drink etc and was known as 'mom' to her friends because she was so motherly to Caylee. It wasn't til she met Lazzaro that she started in with all this clubbing and drinking and got a new crowd of friends and became unreliable.

If she was always such a good mom, etc til now, then I wonder why most of her aquaintances that have come forward with a statement have all said the same thing......that she LIES CONSTANTLY!

She didn't even have a job for 2 years...Casey's mom was "mom" to that child. IMO

[DianeB]

Geraldo: "What do you do with gas cans?"
Reporter Rozzie in Orlando: "What do you do? You burn a body!"

Says they took the gas cans and more soil samples.

[wedavis]

There is no proof that Jesus was ever a boyfriend of Casey's or even a friend. It is all just speculation based on the fact that he was someone that died in a car crash that she "might" have known from highschool. JMO

They are myspace friends (at least). I don't know why it matters who the father is anyway...

[RR0004]

Geraldo's reporter said that Tony and Casey didn't start dating until 6/11th...what are they saying? Steph says the parents should be arrested if fit finds they knew anything (talking about reporting the gas cans).

[burningsky22]

I agree, fewer sites, fewer places for people to send their hate mail.

The other sites are no longer being updated. I assume they are just consolidating. Has to be a pain checking 3 sites all the time.

[DianeB]

Now they're holding up a printout of a google map showing the proximity of Tony's apartment.


ETA I can't find the interview on the kdka site. Anyone have another link?

[angela]

They are myspace friends (at least). I don't know why it matters who the father is anyway...
Most are assuming that Caylee's father and his family know about her. I'm not so sure. Casey may have never told them.

[SWAG1959]

So now it was a "blood" stain? According to Geraldo's show. . . .

[DianeB]

Man, there is some real character assassination here in their discussion of George and Cindy.

[RR0004]

Rozie says it was blood in the trunk.

[ebrich]

I appreciate you guys posting the updates and show convo... my DD is watching tv

[anastacia129]

So, lets say the results from the tests come back, and they are able to conclude that Caylee is no longer with us, and that she was in the trunk deceased. however they have not recovered her body. What can they charge Casey with?

[SWAG1959]

NO search teams? That is what is really bothering me.

[RR0004]

Now they're holding up a printout of a google map showing the proximity of Tony's apartment.


ETA I can't find the interview on the kdka site. Anyone have another link?
just click listen

[RR0004]

So, lets say the results from the tests come back, and they are able to conclude that Caylee is no longer with us, and that she was in the trunk deceased. however they have not recovered her body. What can they charge Casey with?
murder

[SWAG1959]

I don't remember seeing Cindy say on the stand that Jesse was the daddy. But I guess she did - they have the video

[anastacia129]

In order for there to be a character assassination, they would have to prove they had a character worthy of being assassinated.

[DianeB]

Now they're juxtaposing Cindy's "I thought Jesse was the dad" testimony with her interview w/Geraldo in which she said that Caylee's dad was dead.

[SWAG1959]

murder
No - it would be very very difficult to charge her with murder without a body

[angela]

So, lets say the results from the tests come back, and they are able to conclude that Caylee is no longer with us, and that she was in the trunk deceased. however they have not recovered her body. What can they charge Casey with?

Remember the Carrie Culberson case? LE had nothing but witness testimony and her BF was convicted of her murder. They never found her body.

[anastacia129]

murder

If that happens, how do you think the family will react? Do you think they will remain supportive?

[DianeB]

Geraldo's brother has "exclusive" information that Jesse took a paternity test proving he's not Caylee's dad.

Now Geraldo is talking about Caylee being held because of money that Casey stole? Did I hear that correctly?

[DianeB]

Kimberly Guilfoyle: "In this family, if the lips are moving? Lying!"

Whoa, this is pretty harsh.

[SWAG1959]

Geraldo's brother has "exclusive" information that Jesse took a paternity test proving he's not Caylee's dad.

Now Geraldo is talking about Caylee being held because of money that Casey stole? Did I hear that correctly?
Yeppers - but I don't think that is the case either

[burningsky22]

Remember the Carrie Culberson case? LE had nothing but witness testimony and her BF was convicted of her murder. They never found her body.

Right, they have to have some sort of evidence. I think LE has an idea and are just being hush hush about it, look at all the spin the media has put on this. That could be the reason for no search parties.

[Knoxx]

Geraldo's brother has "exclusive" information that Jesse took a paternity test proving he's not Caylee's dad.

Now Geraldo is talking about Caylee being held because of money that Casey stole? Did I hear that correctly?

Yessss!!

[RoseRed]

Rozie says it was blood in the trunk.

Yea, somewhere else I read said bodily fluids but the bond hearing LE just said stains.

I think it's amazing how stains has now turned into blood and body fluid on TV and Blogs.

[SWAG1959]

Yea, somewhere else I read said bodily fluids but the bond hearing LE just said stains.

I think it's amazing how stains has now turned into blood and body fluid on TV and Blogs.
The Fox reporter said she got that from Padilla who is the OC PR person - but you never know.

[not_my_kids]

I don't understand all the hate that is being expressed at the different sites. photo captions and email and such.

I understand it is a very bad thing that is happening but I still don't understand the outpouring of hatred and how that solves any problems or creates a solution.

Maybe I am just to new to following crime and hatred is a normal end result and I will get use to seeing and reading over time. But right now it really hurts my heart to see so much hatred and mockery.



I think that some people are just so hurt and shocked by this case that putting out all the hate makes them feel better. They aren't actually doing anything constructive, but they feel like they are.

[SWAG1959]

The telling factor in this is NO - ABSOLUTELY NO - searches being done. Why is that? Have they already found her?

[not_my_kids]

Geraldo's brother has "exclusive" information that Jesse took a paternity test proving he's not Caylee's dad.

Now Geraldo is talking about Caylee being held because of money that Casey stole? Did I hear that correctly?


The being held because of money would tie into my theory from last night...by the way, is the gambling forum up yet? I can't find it if it is.

[SWAG1959]

Moments before Geraldo started - George said Caylee is absolutely still alive.

[Chanler]

The telling factor in this is NO - ABSOLUTELY NO - searches being done. Why is that? Have they already found her?

I would assume that the length of time between the last sighting and now adds so many more opportunities for travel and disposal that even setting parameters would be next to impossible.

[angela]

If that happens, how do you think the family will react? Do you think they will remain supportive?
I don't think Cindy will ever be able to admit to herself that Casey harmed Caylee unless Casey confesses to her. Then maybe. I'm not trying to be hard on Cindy, I think it will be way too difficult for her to process that her daughter could be capable of it.

[cindysnow3]

On Geraldo they said forensics will be in before the end of this week, if not sooner. Also that the stain in trunk is "blood". :(