Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #15

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around Nancy has her own forum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165), there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.


Newbies.....

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I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872).

[The Saint]

is it possible that brad threw nancy's weighted body into the pond but that the decomposition gases caused it to float to to the top? that could be why the investigators were draining the pond. brad may have thought that her body would be under waiter and not spotted by any passerbys.

[MoonFlwr]

is it possible that brad threw nancy's weighted body into the pond but that the decomposition gases caused it to float to to the top? that could be why the investigators were draining the pond. brad may have thought that her body would be under waiter and not spotted by any passerbys.

Was the 'pond' deep enough to cover the body?

[wirehair]

Maybe BC used his vic card at the later purchases and not the 4am purchase and thinks he can prove a point. He is willing to take a chance that the cameras weren't working. He probably paid cash at that time. Or, he could have had a helper use his vic card and pic something else up at that time. He could have traded cards with comeone else unknowingly to them and it would register that person and not him. Nah, that's too far fetched even for me. The videos will tell it all.

[reddress58]

Purchasing tampons would NOT be smart unless he was certain she needed them at that time. LE would know immediately if it was a ruse.

[MoonFlwr]

Purchasing tampons would NOT be smart unless he was certain she needed them at that time. LE would know immediately if it was a ruse.

Yup, that's what I thought, but didn't mention. ;)

[reddress58]

Maybe BC used his vic card at the later purchases and not the 4am purchase and thinks he can prove a point. He is willing to take a chance that the cameras weren't working. He probably paid cash at that time. Or, he could have had a helper use his vic card and pic something else up at that time. He could have traded cards with comeone else unknowingly to them and it would register that person and not him. Nah, that's too far fetched even for me. The videos will tell it all.
Momto3, does your source know how many times BC visited HT that morning? You say your source saw the 4:20 visit, then I'm assuming they had access to video of later visits.

[Just the Fax]

is it possible that brad threw nancy's weighted body into the pond but that the decomposition gases caused it to float to to the top? that could be why the investigators were draining the pond. brad may have thought that her body would be under waiter and not spotted by any passerbys.

Sheriff Harrison confirmed she was found in the dirt.
I think they were draining the small storm drain basin with the idea he possibly disposed of some evidence there. Remember the rumor going around Cisco that she was stabbed ? He could have strangled her at home and then tried to 'stage' her body at the dump site with stab wounds or a slit neck. With this evidence, the cops would naturally ask , "where was the blood in the house and his car...looks like a random murder ":waitasec:
Maybe they thought they would find a knife tossed in the water.....had to dispose of it quickly, as too risky to bring in the car.

There is a reason Brad and his attorney want this autopsy released ASAP, Brad knows exactly what it says.....hmmmm

[2Daughters1Dog]

is it possible that brad threw nancy's weighted body into the pond but that the decomposition gases caused it to float to to the top? that could be why the investigators were draining the pond. brad may have thought that her body would be under waiter and not spotted by any passerbys.

"Possible" - yes.

But from what I recall...and given your proclivity to so wildly speculate some basic knowledge, recollection, or quoting of the known facts sure would be nice...

Her body wasn't IN the retention pond, which my recollection of pics even if it was the pond is no bigger than 9x9.

A retention pond is built in new construction to RETAIN runoff from our heavy thunderstorms so a bunch of mud from cleared lots doesn't get into streams. A retention pond of this type would only be deep enough for a body to sink out of view after LOTS of heavy rain.

The simple answer is they had the mud puddle drained to see if a WEAPON was in there.

[2Daughters1Dog]

should have read to the end before responding. sheesh.

[RoughlyCollie]

Or maybe BC wants to have proof that his card was used to purchase that particular laundry detergent or other items at HT at 6 a.m. (or whatever time his affidavit said he went there) in the past. Maybe he does go there that early in the day from time to time, or even fairly regularly. We just don't know.

I said "his card was used to purchase" because merely having a list of what was purchased and when does not prove that he was the one using the card. My husband and I have little cards on our key rings and if I take DH's car to the store, I use his card instead of my wallet card because it's easy to just toss my keys on the conveyor belt. Also, if we are shopping together (rarely), we are just as likely to use my card as we are to use his.

Respectfully,
RC

Maybe BC used his vic card at the later purchases and not the 4am purchase and thinks he can prove a point. He is willing to take a chance that the cameras weren't working. He probably paid cash at that time. Or, he could have had a helper use his vic card and pic something else up at that time. He could have traded cards with comeone else unknowingly to them and it would register that person and not him. Nah, that's too far fetched even for me. The videos will tell it all.

[raisincharlie]

Well, what a night ! Glad to find out that Brad feels the need to defend himself against something, even though LE has not named a POI or suspect and he says he did not kill his wife.:)

[panthera]

Sheriff Harrison confirmed she was found in the dirt.
I think they were draining the small storm drain basin with the idea he possibly disposed of some evidence there. Remember the rumor going around Cisco that she was stabbed ? He could have strangled her at home and then tried to 'stage' her body at the dump site with stab wounds or a slit neck. With this evidence, the cops would naturally ask , "where was the blood in the house and his car...looks like a random murder ":waitasec:
Maybe they thought they would find a knife tossed in the water.....had to dispose of it quickly, as too risky to bring in the car.

There is a reason Brad and his attorney want this autopsy released ASAP, Brad knows exactly what it says.....hmmmm
Hi! :seeya: I finally have some time today to get caught up again! This is a great thought you've expressed here about him wanting the autopsy results released, and something I hadn't thought of regarding staging a crime at the site she was found. If something like that happened, though, it would be obvious at autopsy the stab wounds were inflicted after death, so wouldn't it lead right back to him still being a suspect?

[wirehair]

She could have been just unconscious after bft or strangling and could have been alive. It would take a cold s.. to stab her after he got her there. I hope they took metal detectors and check the brush around the dumping site. It's so thick there that it would have easily have been hid. They also need to check on the way in and the way out along the sides of the road. After they start clearing it will be buried in debris or in the dirt. It would really be hard to check everywhere between his house and the dumping site.

[carolinalady]

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Originally Posted by carolinalady
Exactly. And it might have ended w/ the same agreement reached at the hearing on 7/25 if he had been notified and attended the original hearing. It's not like they didn't know where he was to notify him of the hearing. The police were watching his every move and he'd been making plans w/ her family during the day.

Hi carolinalady! - Say the grandparents had taken the route of filing an application for custody and serving Brad with notice of hearing which I believe is a minimum of 2 days notice. (Keep in mind the basis of this ex parte application was that Brad was mentally unstable.) Suppose he gets served and freaks out because these grandparents want his girls. Worse case scenerio - he does harm to the girls. The grandparents did not want to take this risk obviously and the Judge erred on the side of caution and issued a temporary custody order, a copy of which was served on him with a notice of hearing for July 25.

Maybe he would have consented but maybe not either. The Judge took the best interests of the children into consideration when he made this temporary order.

Bringing this over here. I spoke to my lawyer friend who deals w/ family law stuff. He said that if an attorney knows that the other side is represented, it is common courtesy to give a heads up to the other attorney that there is an Emergency Custody Hearing scheduled.

[raisincharlie]

Hi! :seeya: I finally have some time today to get caught up again! This is a great thought you've expressed here about him wanting the autopsy results released, and something I hadn't thought of regarding staging a crime at the site she was found. If something like that happened, though, it would be obvious at autopsy the stab wounds were inflicted after death, so wouldn't it lead right back to him still being a suspect?

The ME could tell if knife wounds were inflicted before, at the time of, and/or after death. Not sure if that can be influenced by decomposition or not however.

I noticed in one of Brad's appearances at the press conferences - he does indeed ask for tips relating to whoever "attacked" Nancy. That could be very innocent as it is possible LE told him COD seeing as how he is the husband. But for him to use the word attack, it seems to indicate that this was not exactly a death that did not occur without some weapon of some sort. The rapidity of LE changing it from a missing person to homicide IMO also suggests the same.

[Tink56]

Really interesting comments, especially about Brad checking his "club" purchases.

I was continuing to read in other areas also, hoping for something new.

I had not fully read all the comments on the "Find Nancy" blog before. A poster "anonymous” asked twice who the last person to see Nancy alive was.
http://nancycooper.blogspot.com/2008/07/map-of-searched-areas.html

Finally, a person responded who I figured out was Diane Duncan by tracing her email back to her personal blog. She said, “Her husband and elder child saw her leaving for her run Saturday morning.”

Now, if this is what the police were told also, it puts a more interesting twist on the idea that Brad did not want anyone else around the kids for a while. More than ever, I wonder if the police "talked with" Bella before Tuesday or Wednesday.

Also, it may tighten the timeline a bit. Maybe Brad did make those "innocent" trips to the market. Maybe he was becoming increasingly annoyed. Maybe when he arrived home the second time, Nancy told him the girls were his responsibility as she was painting that day. Maybe he lost it. Bella may have already said "Good morning" to Mommy. Perhaps during the ensuing argument Brad struck Nancy and "that was it." Perhaps she had already put her purse in the car in preparation for her departure. Maybe this altercation took place in the garage....You can hypothesize about the rest fairly easily. :confused: :confused: I guess I'm looking at another possibility...that's all.

[wirehair]

I know that we have all wondered what was in the large paper bag. If BC knows anything about the contents of his house, he would know exactly what was missing besides the computers. He knows what that large object is.

[carolinalady]

I know that we have all wondered what was in the large paper bag. If BC knows anything about the contents of his house, he would know exactly what was missing besides the computers. He knows what that large object is.

I'm sure. Just like he knows if the computer(s) are missing.

[panthera]

The ME could tell if knife wounds were inflicted before, at the time of, and/or after death. Not sure if that can be influenced by decomposition or not however.

I noticed in one of Brad's appearances at the press conferences - he does indeed ask for tips relating to whoever "attacked" Nancy. That could be very innocent as it is possible LE told him COD seeing as how he is the husband. But for him to use the word attack, it seems to indicate that this was not exactly a death that did not occur without some weapon of some sort. The rapidity of LE changing it from a missing person to homicide IMO also suggests the same.
I still think the ME could tell if the wounds were inflicted before or after death, despite decomposition. I also agree there had to be some obvious injuries to her body to determine she had been murdered, before the autopsy had been performed. With decomposition, strangulation or suffocation wouldn't be obvious. With that said, though, I'm curious how he would've done it in the house, transported her body to the dump site without leaving any evidence. It would leave much less evidence if he is the one who killed her, to have just rendered her unconscious at the house and finished the killing at the site.

[raisincharlie]

Really interesting comments, especially about Brad checking his "club" purchases.

I was continuing to read in other areas also, hoping for something new.

I had not fully read all the comments on the "Find Nancy" blog before. A poster "anonymous” asked twice who the last person to see Nancy alive was.
http://nancycooper.blogspot.com/2008/07/map-of-searched-areas.html

Finally, a person responded who I figured out was Diane Duncan by tracing her email back to her personal blog. She said, “Her husband and elder child saw her leaving for her run Saturday morning.”

Now, if this is what the police were told also, it puts a more interesting twist on the idea that Brad did not want anyone else around the kids for a while. More than ever, I wonder if the police "talked with" Bella before Tuesday or Wednesday.

Also, it may tighten the timeline a bit. Maybe Brad did make those "innocent" trips to the market. Maybe he was becoming increasingly annoyed. Maybe when he arrived home the second time, Nancy told him the girls were his responsibility as she was painting that day. Maybe he lost it. Bella may have already said "Good morning" to Mommy. Perhaps during the ensuing argument Brad struck Nancy and "that was it." Perhaps she had already put her purse in the car in preparation for her departure. Maybe this altercation took place in the garage....You can hypothesize about the rest fairly easily. :confused: :confused: I guess I'm looking at another possibility...that's all.

Thanks Tinks56.

So in the neighborhood it has been told that Bella did indeed see Nancy that morning. The only one who could have told that was Brad or Bella. No telling if it is true or not but if it is true that Bella saw her that morning it is indeed interesting.

[carolinalady]

Thanks Tinks56.

So in the neighborhood it has been told that Bella did indeed see Nancy that morning. The only one who could have told that was Brad or Bella. No telling if it is true or not but if it is true that Bella saw her that morning it is indeed interesting.

In BC's affidavit he says that some of their (his & Nancy's) friends watched the girls while he assisted the police and/or searched. I wonder if any of the friends heard it directly from Bella.

[momto3kids]

Really interesting comments, especially about Brad checking his "club" purchases.

I was continuing to read in other areas also, hoping for something new.

I had not fully read all the comments on the "Find Nancy" blog before. A poster "anonymous” asked twice who the last person to see Nancy alive was.
http://nancycooper.blogspot.com/2008/07/map-of-searched-areas.html

Finally, a person responded who I figured out was Diane Duncan by tracing her email back to her personal blog. She said, “Her husband and elder child saw her leaving for her run Saturday morning.”

Now, if this is what the police were told also, it puts a more interesting twist on the idea that Brad did not want anyone else around the kids for a while. More than ever, I wonder if the police "talked with" Bella before Tuesday or Wednesday.

Also, it may tighten the timeline a bit. Maybe Brad did make those "innocent" trips to the market. Maybe he was becoming increasingly annoyed. Maybe when he arrived home the second time, Nancy told him the girls were his responsibility as she was painting that day. Maybe he lost it. Bella may have already said "Good morning" to Mommy. Perhaps during the ensuing argument Brad struck Nancy and "that was it." Perhaps she had already put her purse in the car in preparation for her departure. Maybe this altercation took place in the garage....You can hypothesize about the rest fairly easily. :confused: :confused: I guess I'm looking at another possibility...that's all.

You are right! I just checked it appears to be Diana Duncan. Would she say NC oldest daughter saw her when she actually didn't?

Could this be the reason Diana's husband didn't do an affidavit like I keep asking about? If it is like my house my husband would say..he washes the car, mows the grass, works for the income....and he doesn't listen to the chit chat that occurs between women? Or is it because he feels no way BC would do this?

This does make one wonder why she would state Bella saw her mom Sat. morning.:waitasec:

[raisincharlie]

In BC's affidavit he says that some of their (his & Nancy's) friends watched the girls while he assisted the police and/or searched. I wonder if any of the friends heard it directly from Bella.

Very possible, would not be the first time a child has had some things to say that were important.

[panthera]

Very possible, would not be the first time a child has had some things to say that were important.
You're so right. Who will ever forget 2 y/o Blake Davis? :)

[Tink56]

You are right! I just checked it appears to be Diana Duncan. Would she say NC oldest daughter saw her when she actually didn't?

Could this be the reason Diana's husband didn't do an affidavit like I keep asking about? If it is like my house my husband would say..he washes the car, mows the grass, works for the income....and he doesn't listen to the chit chat that occurs between women? Or is it because he feels no way BC would do this?

This does make one wonder why she would state Bella saw her mom Sat. morning.:waitasec:

That information was posted before Nancy's body was found.

It's impossible, without some confirmation, to know where Diana received the information. I think she was telling the truth as she knew it. It could have come from Brad or ?????? It's really sad that Brad was so hateful in the rebuttal affidavit about the Duncan's and their son. I'm sure that "Mr. Duncan" might have something to say to or about Brad now.

Brad definitely did not want others around his daughter's on the Saturday that Nancy "went missing." I wonder where the children were on Sunday and Monday.

IMO, the information gathered from a 4-year-old might not hold much weight legally, especially in a court of law. Some kids that age are spot on, while others are barely aware of their surroundings.

Saturday morning cartoons are often allowed in the most TV-restrictive households. There are all kinds of possibilities if this information is true.

I'd be interested in knowing if Bella was still a car "napper." (I'm assuming that Katie was.) Certainly, having both girls snoozing could have been to Brad's advantage if he had things to take care of on Saturday afternoon.

[The Saint]

Purchasing tampons would NOT be smart unless he was certain she needed them at that time. LE would know immediately if it was a ruse.
some women buy well in advance

[carolinalady]

That information was posted before Nancy's body was found.

It's impossible, without some confirmation, to know where Diana received the information. I think she was telling the truth as she knew it. It could have come from Brad or ?????? It's really sad that Brad was so hateful in the rebuttal affidavit about the Duncan's and their son. I'm sure that "Mr. Duncan" might have something to say to or about Brad now.

Brad definitely did not want others around his daughter's on the Saturday that Nancy "went missing." I wonder where the children were on Sunday and Monday.

IMO, the information gathered from a 4-year-old might not hold much weight legally, especially in a court of law. Some kids that age are spot on, while others are barely aware of their surroundings.

Saturday morning cartoons are often allowed in the most TV-restrictive households. There are all kinds of possibilities if this information is true.

I'd be interested in knowing if Bella was still a car "napper." (I'm assuming that Katie was.) Certainly, having both girls snoozing could have been to Brad's advantage if he had things to take care of on Saturday afternoon.

The police met BC at the house after he says conducted his own search. Jessica Adam and Mary Anderson were there, too. So, the girls might have been around others in the afternoon on Saturday. We only know from the affidavits that he dismissed Jessica Adam's offer to watch the girls while he conducted his search (wherever that was and whatever he did).

[The Saint]

Sheriff Harrison confirmed she was found in the dirt.
I think they were draining the small storm drain basin with the idea he possibly disposed of some evidence there. Remember the rumor going around Cisco that she was stabbed ? He could have strangled her at home and then tried to 'stage' her body at the dump site with stab wounds or a slit neck. With this evidence, the cops would naturally ask , "where was the blood in the house and his car...looks like a random murder ":waitasec:
Maybe they thought they would find a knife tossed in the water.....had to dispose of it quickly, as too risky to bring in the car.

There is a reason Brad and his attorney want this autopsy released ASAP, Brad knows exactly what it says.....hmmmm

if he stabbed her at the pond, the wounds would be post mortem unless she was in the process of dying when he dumped her at the pond.

was brad really scheduled to play tennis w/ someone at 9:30am?

his tennis racket may have sitting out somewhere in the house. when he and nancy started to fight after she returned home from the party, he may have grabbed the racket and beat her to death w/ it (striking her in the temple or throat).

the tennis racket may have been what was in that tall brown sack being carried out by the investigator.

[The Saint]

The police met BC at the house after he says conducted his own search. Jessica Adam and Mary Anderson were there, too. So, the girls might have been around others in the afternoon on Saturday. We only know from the affidavits that he dismissed Jessica Adam's offer to watch the girls while he conducted his search (wherever that was and whatever he did).

it is strange that he rejected her offer to watch the girls. was he thinking of fleeing at that time w/ the girls?

[The Saint]

the autopsy may reveal a rape (by a man or instrument)

[mahmoo]

That information was posted before Nancy's body was found. It's impossible, without some confirmation, to know where Diana received the information. I think she was telling the truth as she knew it. It could have come from Brad or ??????

I agree....that's probably all she knew at the time based more than likely on what Brad told them and at that point she had no reason to doubt whether it was true or not.

If NC was still alive at 7 AM why would BC have needed to purchase detergent at 4 AM?

[jilly]

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Bringing this over here. I spoke to my lawyer friend who deals w/ family law stuff. He said that if an attorney knows that the other side is represented, it is common courtesy to give a heads up to the other attorney that there is an Emergency Custody Hearing scheduled.

This is not a common case imo. I don't think we know if Brad had his own divorce attorney. We do know he has retained a criminal attorney.
I can certainly see why Stubbs wouldn't extend that courtesy in this case.

Maybe you can ask your lawyer friend, if s/he had a client like the grandparents under these circumstances (daughter murdered and alleging that the husband/father is mentally unstable) if s/he would give a heads up.

[The Saint]

"Possible" - yes.

But from what I recall...and given your proclivity to so wildly speculate some basic knowledge, recollection, or quoting of the known facts sure would be nice...

Her body wasn't IN the retention pond, which my recollection of pics even if it was the pond is no bigger than 9x9.

A retention pond is built in new construction to RETAIN runoff from our heavy thunderstorms so a bunch of mud from cleared lots doesn't get into streams. A retention pond of this type would only be deep enough for a body to sink out of view after LOTS of heavy rain.

The simple answer is they had the mud puddle drained to see if a WEAPON was in there.

i've seen pictures of the pond. it held water enough to cover a body. was nancy bigger than 9x9? the answer is no. sheesh.
theories are discussed on crime boards, not all fall within linear thinking.

eta: raisincharlie said this:
(snipped) "I also went back and read some things and found an interesting article at WRAL. The article indicated that Sheriff Donnie Harrison indicated the body was indeed laying in the dirt. Cary PD reported the body as being in the pond. So I think one must go with the agency that actually recovered the body which would be WCSO under Sheriff Harrison.

So my apology for questioning - I think you all are correct in your theories of where Nancy was found. "

[Tink56]

The police met BC at the house after he says conducted his own search. Jessica Adam and Mary Anderson were there, too. So, the girls might have been around others in the afternoon on Saturday. We only know from the affidavits that he dismissed Jessica Adam's offer to watch the girls while he conducted his search (wherever that was and whatever he did).


Thanks! I wonder what everyone did telll the girls before Nancy's body was found. I don't know for certain how I would have approached a situation like this. I think I would have avoided talking about Nancy's missing status with the girls around.

I wonder if Nancy was planning to take the girls with her when she went to paint. Did she take them earlier when she painted as Jessica's or were they in pre-school? So many questions...:confused:

[The Saint]

That information was posted before Nancy's body was found.

It's impossible, without some confirmation, to know where Diana received the information. I think she was telling the truth as she knew it. It could have come from Brad or ?????? It's really sad that Brad was so hateful in the rebuttal affidavit about the Duncan's and their son. I'm sure that "Mr. Duncan" might have something to say to or about Brad now.

Brad definitely did not want others around his daughter's on the Saturday that Nancy "went missing." I wonder where the children were on Sunday and Monday.

IMO, the information gathered from a 4-year-old might not hold much weight legally, especially in a court of law. Some kids that age are spot on, while others are barely aware of their surroundings.

Saturday morning cartoons are often allowed in the most TV-restrictive households. There are all kinds of possibilities if this information is true.

I'd be interested in knowing if Bella was still a car "napper." (I'm assuming that Katie was.) Certainly, having both girls snoozing could have been to Brad's advantage if he had things to take care of on Saturday afternoon.


a judge allowed the testimony of the grandmother who testified during the murder trial that her 2 yr old grandson said "Mommy is in the rug."

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/13519625/detail.html

the same issue affects the michelle young case, where her 2 yr old is heard on the 911 call twice saying, "Daddy did it."

nancy's daughters looked very alert at her memorial. i wonder what they
have reported to friends and the police about what they saw (if anything).

[mahmoo]

I've been thinking about the North Face jacket mom mentioned a couple of days ago......she didn't come right out and say it but, I'm assuming he was seen wearing one in the store video tape and/or possibly an employee(s) remembered that detail. I didn't think too much of it at the time she mentioned it but, today it dawned on me......why the heck would he be wearing a jacket in July? If NC weather is anywhere near like it is here......it's too dang hot for a jacket, even at night.

I know it was discussed about him wearing long sleeve shirts in summer but then I think we pretty much came to the conclusion maybe it wasn't that unusual since we noticed, in photos of the detectives coming out of the Cooper's residence, that they too had on long sleeves.

In regards to wearing a jacket on a summer night.......maybe he was trying to cover up something after all......especially if his arms were scratched up before he started searching for her.

[carolinalady]

This is not a common case imo. I don't think we know if Brad had his own divorce attorney. We do know he has retained a criminal attorney.
I can certainly see why Stubbs wouldn't extend that courtesy in this case.

Maybe you can ask your lawyer friend, if s/he had a client like the grandparents under these circumstances (daughter murdered and alleging that the husband/father is mentally unstable) if s/he would give a heads up.

Yes, He said he would.

Edited to add, regardless of whether it was criminal attorney or divorce/separation, he was represented and the family was aware he was w/ the attorney on the day of the hearing. The practice he uses does have listed that they do deal w/ family law issues.

[mahmoo]

Sorry to bombard the board but my mind is on full throttle right now since I wasn't around to post yesterday. :crazy:

It would be interesting to know is BC was wearing the same clothes, and possibly hat, during the 4 AM store trip and the 6-7 AM trips. One would assume he more than likely paid cash for the 4 AM purchase so as not to leave a paper trail on his credit card. And, if that was the case......if LE does believe they have him on video at 4 AM BC and/or his attorney could say they were mistaken and that it wasn't BC. BUT....if he was wearing the same clothes as he had on in the 6-7 AM trips.......he'd have a hard time splaining that. Hope all that makes sense....LOL.

Of course we don't know for a fact he was at the store at 4 AM so I'm just going on what mom has told us. Mom.....if you do run across this post.....would you (or your friend) happen to know if he was wearing the same clothes during all three trips???

[panthera]

Sorry to bombard the board but my mind is on full throttle right now since I wasn't around to post yesterday. :crazy:

It would be interesting to know is BC was wearing the same clothes, and possibly hat, during the 4 AM store trip and the 6-7 AM trips. One would assume he more than likely paid cash for the 4 AM purchase so as not to leave a paper trail on his credit card. And, if that was the case......if LE does believe they have him on video at 4 AM BC and/or his attorney could say they were mistaken and that it wasn't BC. BUT....if he was wearing the same clothes as he had on in the 6-7 AM trips.......he'd have a hard time splaining that. Hope all that makes sense....LOL.

Of course we don't know for a fact he was at the store at 4 AM so I'm just going on what mom has told us. Mom.....if you do run across this post.....would you (or your friend) happen to know if he was wearing the same clothes during all three trips???
Good points about the clothing, assuming he's actually on a video at 4am!

[carolinalady]

I have a question about the HT. I know the 24 hour one at Cameron Village only has the self-checkout open before 7am (unless they get a backup at the self-checkout). Does the one at Crescent Commons operate the same way?

[mahmoo]

Good points about the clothing, assuming he's actually on a video at 4am!

True panthera.......you can tell I'm putting faith in what mom has told us so far and she is very adamant about it. Hopefully her source has not exaggerated or mislead her in any way.

[panthera]

True panthera.......you can tell I'm putting faith in what mom has told us so far and she is very adamant about it. Hopefully her source has not exaggerated or mislead her in any way.
I want to believe her too, and really it wouldn't surprise me if he was out both times that morning. :)

[jilly]

Yes, He said he would.

Doesn't make sense to me in this particular instance. So if Brad killed himself and/or the children as a result, the lawyer just be happy that he'd done his duty by extending the courtesy. I'm glad the grandparents had Stubbs (who at one time, as I understand it, was formerly a Family Court Judge.)

[carolinalady]

Doesn't make sense to me in this particular instance. So if Brad killed himself and/or the children as a result, the lawyer just be happy that he'd done his duty by extending the courtesy. I'm glad the grandparents had Stubbs (who at one time, as I understand it, was formerly a Family Court Judge.)

It's just giving him notification so he could have a chance to state his side of things (and not waiting the 10 days). It wouldn't have moved the time they were going to present the case to the judge as it still would've been an emergency custody hearing. Again, it could've been the same end result w/ the children being in grandparents' care. What's wrong w/ him having the chance to defend himself in the custody hearing?

Yes, Alice Stubbs was a District Court Judge and a couple of those years she was in Family Court.

[Bob&Bob]

It's just giving him notification so he could have a chance to state his side of things (and not waiting the 10 days). It wouldn't have moved the time they were going to present the case to the judge as it still would've been an emergency custody hearing. Again, it could've been the same end result w/ the children being in grandparents' care. What's wrong w/ him having the chance to defend himself in the custody hearing?

Yes, Alice Stubbs was a District Court Judge and a couple of those years she was in Family Court.

Her web page says she's a good tennis player.

[Bob&Bob]

She's married to Tex Barrow.

[Bob&Bob]

Sounds like he's a cowboy.

[carolinalady]

Sounds like he's a cowboy.

Nope, he's an attorney.

[jilly]

What's wrong w/ him having the chance to defend himself in the custody hearing?



That ex parte application was all about the children. On July 16th, the Court's paramount consideration was in the best interest of the children. The Judge could have very well said there's not enough evidence here and we'll adjourn this application to give the defendant notice for a hearing on this matter.
He didn't. He gave the defendant notice that he could "defend" himself 9 days later.
Ex parte applications and orders are very common.

[reddress58]

Where did Bob:sponge:'s pending spreadsheet thread go?!! I was getting ready to tell him he has to go through with it now that he is a famous talk-show topic...to save face! We really do need a spreadsheet...seriously speaking. Please, Bob:sponge:

[carolinalady]

That ex parte application was all about the children. On July 16th, the Court's paramount consideration was in the best interest of the children. The Judge could have very well said there's not enough evidence here and we'll adjourn this application to give the defendant notice for a hearing on this matter.
He didn't. He gave the defendant notice that he could "defend" himself 9 days later.
Ex parte applications and orders are very common.

All child custody hearings are supposed to be about what's in the best interest of the children, not just ex parte custody hearings.

[LivinginNC]

I have quietly been sitting back, trying to keep up with all the information and theories posted, you are all awesome and have some amazing insights and hypotheses, really gets one thinking. While still sitting on the fence I am finding it hard not to fall off. Something bothers me that maybe I missed, but am hoping for clarification. IF BC went to HT at 4:20 (and I do believe he probably did), and he purchased detergent w/bleach (this is what I think I remember reading), why would he need to go back again at 6:15 - 6:45 a.m. to purchase some more detergent w/o bleach, which he admitted to. Wouldn't that imply that he purchased two separate laundry detergents on two separate trips? Maybe this is why he wanted to check his VIC card? Just wondering...

[reddress58]

I have quietly been sitting back, trying to keep up with all the information and theories posted, you are all awesome and have some amazing insights and hypotheses, really gets one thinking. While still sitting on the fence I am finding it hard not to fall off. Something bothers me that maybe I missed, but am hoping for clarification. IF BC went to HT at 4:20 (and I do believe he probably did), and he purchased detergent w/bleach (this is what I think I remember reading), why would he need to go back again at 6:15 - 6:45 a.m. to purchase some more detergent w/o bleach, which he admitted to. Wouldn't that imply that he purchased two separate laundry detergents on two separate trips? Maybe this is why he wanted to check his VIC card? Just wondering...
Liv, I'm thinking the 6:15 trip did not happen at all and it was the 4:20 trip where he purchase the detergent. He just SAID in his affidavit it was 6:15...or 6:45. (Can't remember which of the two he said was the detergent run.) So two trips: 4:20 & 6:45 (to establish the "Nancy was home" alibi)

[reddress58]

I have quietly been sitting back, trying to keep up with all the information and theories posted, you are all awesome and have some amazing insights and hypotheses, really gets one thinking. While still sitting on the fence I am finding it hard not to fall off. Something bothers me that maybe I missed, but am hoping for clarification. IF BC went to HT at 4:20 (and I do believe he probably did), and he purchased detergent w/bleach (this is what I think I remember reading), why would he need to go back again at 6:15 - 6:45 a.m. to purchase some more detergent w/o bleach, which he admitted to. Wouldn't that imply that he purchased two separate laundry detergents on two separate trips? Maybe this is why he wanted to check his VIC card? Just wondering...
We really do need Momto3 to clarify this for us.

[SleuthyGal]

I've been thinking about the North Face jacket mom mentioned a couple of days ago......she didn't come right out and say it but, I'm assuming he was seen wearing one in the store video tape and/or possibly an employee(s) remembered that detail. I didn't think too much of it at the time she mentioned it but, today it dawned on me......why the heck would he be wearing a jacket in July?

EXCELLENT point! Yes, summer nights in NC (esp this summer) have been quite warm. Some nights it doesn't get any lower than 73 degrees. My AC comes on in the middle of the night. Wearing a jacket is totally not necessary...I doubt I'll wear one until October, at the very earliest.

[Star12]

Hmmm, perhaps one reason for wearing the jacket -- while purchasing deterget/bleach -- was under the jacket?

[raisincharlie]

I have quietly been sitting back, trying to keep up with all the information and theories posted, you are all awesome and have some amazing insights and hypotheses, really gets one thinking. While still sitting on the fence I am finding it hard not to fall off. Something bothers me that maybe I missed, but am hoping for clarification. IF BC went to HT at 4:20 (and I do believe he probably did), and he purchased detergent w/bleach (this is what I think I remember reading), why would he need to go back again at 6:15 - 6:45 a.m. to purchase some more detergent w/o bleach, which he admitted to. Wouldn't that imply that he purchased two separate laundry detergents on two separate trips? Maybe this is why he wanted to check his VIC card? Just wondering...

Never know how the mind really works but it is possible if Brad did murder Nancy that the trips to the store between 6 and 7 were designed. In other words an excuse when he came to his senses. If for instance he gives LE the story of the purchases at HT between 6 and 7 then perhaps he can focus LE to only looking at those time frames on the video surveillance system. Someone posted on here there is a sign on the door at the store that is hard to miss - Video Surveillance in use. So if he went the first time, he may have felt the need to to do the second run in an effort to focus a time frame in which appears to be somewhat more normal.

Why detergent - I have no idea but I do suppose it is possible he may have used up what he bought earlier. The first purchase of milk may have been legit in that he needed milk for the baby. It may have struck an idea in his head that if he was on the way to the store, he could use Nancy's cell to call his own - in his mind proving Nancy was alive at 640. The purchase of detergent - may be one of those freudian things - he bought it earlier so he bought it again and added the juice for Bella. I find the whole series of activities between 6 and 7 to be idiotic actually. Sure people go to the store that early, but to go twice for milk and juice, seems plain stupid. What LE will do is look at his vic card information going back for some time period to see just how often he frequented the store during those hours and if it was habit to frequent the store more than once between those hours.

[Star12]

can someone please tell me what mom said last night? I just got in on the very end of the show.

[Bob&Bob]

Where did Bob:sponge:'s pending spreadsheet thread go?!! I was getting ready to tell him he has to go through with it now that he is a famous talk-show topic...to save face! We really do need a spreadsheet...seriously speaking. Please, Bob:sponge:

Somebody moved it.

[zelmajane]

EXCELLENT point! Yes, summer nights in NC (esp this summer) have been quite warm. Some nights it doesn't get any lower than 73 degrees. My AC comes on in the middle of the night. Wearing a jacket is totally not necessary...I doubt I'll wear one until October, at the very earliest.

Especially someone from Canada! They're the ones that crank the AC on 65 in the summer.

[raisincharlie]

Star & Gigi Mars

I was hoping someone would answer your question that had more understanding of the vic cards than I do but basically what Mom said last night on the radio was:

Brad was spotted at the Harris Teeter sometime recently. He apparently went up to the area where the Managers office is and wanted copies of data showing what had been purchased on the Saturday morning that Nancy went missing. Apparently the vic card is a card used when purchasing items that provides discounts on some items.

So long story short - Brad was getting copies of receipts for the items he purchased on the morning that Nancy went missing.


Hope I have explained this properly. Mom if I have not - please correct .

[Star12]

Star & Gigi Mars

I was hoping someone would answer your question that had more understanding of the vic cards than I do but basically what Mom said last night on the radio was:

Brad was spotted at the Harris Teeter sometime recently. He apparently went up to the area where the Managers office is and wanted copies of data showing what had been purchased on the Saturday morning that Nancy went missing. Apparently the vic card is a card used when purchasing items that provides discounts on some items.

So long story short - Brad was getting copies of receipts for the items he purchased on the morning that Nancy went missing.


Hope I have explained this properly. Mom if I have not - please correct .

Thanks, Bubba. I'm wondering if his attorneys asked him to do that? Cheaper for the client if he does some of the work himself

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, Bubba. I'm wondering if his attorneys asked him to do that? Cheaper for the client if he does some of the work himself

:floorlaugh:


ETA - Brad would like the cheap part I think.

[momto3kids]

Perfect RC...you described the VIC card wonderful and what transpired.:clap:

The only 2 things that can really be a drawback on this situation is....
if he didn't use the VIC card for the earlier purchase
or if the Cooper's happened to have 2 different VIC numbers.

It is very possible to have 2 numbers after 8 yrs of shopping at HT and there are many ways this could have happened. Not purposely, but certain circumstances had them with 2 total different numbers.

We have more than 1 VIC number. This would not be at all unusual to find out this occured as well.

[SleuthyGal]

Yep! Items purchased and recorded on the Vic card are but one log, if you will. And perhaps it's not all that important, I dunno. The real question is if he was 'seen' via video and/or via eyewitness at that store earlier than 6am.

[raisincharlie]

Perfect RC...you described the VIC card wonderful and what transpired.:clap:

The only 2 things that can really be a drawback on this situation is....
if he didn't use the VIC card for the earlier purchase
or if the Cooper's happened to have 2 different VIC numbers.

It is very possible to have 2 numbers after 8 yrs of shopping at HT and there are many ways this could have happened. Not purposely, but certain circumstances had them with 2 total different numbers.

We have more than 1 VIC number. This would not be at all unusual to find out this occured as well.

Mt3K,

This vic card thing, I know in my neck of the woods we have a similar program at the stores. I'm curious if you know how HT does this. My wife got a card and a smaller card that attaches to a key ring. She has both so if i have to run to the store I just don't have it unless I take her car and keys. Do you know how many cards and key ring cards are issued when one signs up at HT?

[SleuthyGal]

Do you know how many cards and key ring cards are issued when one signs up at HT?

I believe it's 1 card & 2 key rings

[Sewing_Buddy]

Mt3K,

This vic card thing, I know in my neck of the woods we have a similar program at the stores. I'm curious if you know how HT does this. My wife got a card and a smaller card that attaches to a key ring. She has both so if i have to run to the store I just don't have it unless I take her car and keys. Do you know how many cards and key ring cards are issued when one signs up at HT?


In addition to using the cards, we can also type in our phone number on the key pad and it gives us the "rewards" (discount price).

[Bob&Bob]

In addition to using the cards, we can also type in our phone number on the key pad and it gives us the "rewards" (discount price).

I think I'm deeply in love.

[Bob&Bob]

On the Photos No discussion thread post #2,
does anyone know the names of all of the men in the picture?

Also, does anyone know why sometimes the pictures show up
in the thread and sometimes they just have the link?

Thanks.

[raisincharlie]

Okay so I can rule out thinking that maybe Brad had Nancy's keys.

I think it will be an interesting analysis by LE to check those records (VIC) to see how many times the card or phone number entry corresponding to Nancy & Brad's account shows up as being used between 6 and 7 a.m. It will also be interesting to see how many times the account is accessed twice in a one hour time frame in the early hours of the day. As to Brad, if it is that he is a good planner, one has to ask why he is such a scatter brain that he has to go to the store twice in an hour.

[Sewing_Buddy]

Okay so I can rule out thinking that maybe Brad had Nancy's keys.

I think it will be an interesting analysis by LE to check those records (VIC) to see how many times the card or phone number entry corresponding to Nancy & Brad's account shows up as being used between 6 and 7 a.m. It will also be interesting to see how many times the account is accessed twice in a one hour time frame in the early hours of the day. As to Brad, if it is that he is a good planner, one has to ask why he is such a scatter brain that he has to go to the store twice in an hour.

Couldn't the store check their records (not just Brad's VIC record) to see how many people purchased items..in particular laundry detergent, at 4am that day? It couldn't be THAT many people, could it?

[raisincharlie]

Couldn't the store check their records (not just Brad's VIC record) to see how many people purchased items..in particular laundry detergent, at 4am that day? It couldn't be THAT many people, could it?

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be difficult to figure out what was purchased in the overnight hours, either by register or on the self check out. Since the info is out there, I'm pretty sure LE has or will be doing exactly that.

[raisincharlie]

I've been thinking about the North Face jacket mom mentioned a couple of days ago......she didn't come right out and say it but, I'm assuming he was seen wearing one in the store video tape and/or possibly an employee(s) remembered that detail. I didn't think too much of it at the time she mentioned it but, today it dawned on me......why the heck would he be wearing a jacket in July? If NC weather is anywhere near like it is here......it's too dang hot for a jacket, even at night.

I know it was discussed about him wearing long sleeve shirts in summer but then I think we pretty much came to the conclusion maybe it wasn't that unusual since we noticed, in photos of the detectives coming out of the Cooper's residence, that they too had on long sleeves.

In regards to wearing a jacket on a summer night.......maybe he was trying to cover up something after all......especially if his arms were scratched up before he started searching for her.


I am also wondering if he was wearing a cap. The jacket thing, if he was wearing it at 420 am may have been the reason someone remembered seeing him in the store at that time to begin with. Staff in the store at that time may have wondered the same thing or been a bit suspicious of someone wearing a jacket, albeit a lightweight one. Within a day or so his mug was on tv because of his missing wife, connect the dots.

[SleuthyGal]

Couldn't the store check their records (not just Brad's VIC record) to see how many people purchased items..in particular laundry detergent, at 4am that day? It couldn't be THAT many people, could it?

At 4am - 6am on that Saturday morning I bet it was one person purchasing laundry detergent.

[Fairy1]

At 4am - 6am on that Saturday morning I bet it was one person purchasing laundry detergent.


Yep - and only one person in the store wearing a jacket. Possibly to hide the scratches on his arms - JMO! The same scratches he was hiding wearing long sleeves while searching for his wife.

[SusieClue]

Yep - and only one person in the store wearing a jacket. Possibly to hide the scratches on his arms - JMO! The same scratches he was hiding wearing long sleeves while searching for his wife.

See, I think that a long sleeved shirt would have been enough to cover the scratches...but a jacket might have been necessary (as some have said) to cover the blood on his shirt after he dumped her and realized he didn't have laundry detergent to clean it...

[Fairy1]

See, I think that a long sleeved shirt would have been enough to cover the scratches...but a jacket might have been necessary (as some have said) to cover the blood on his shirt after he dumped her and realized he didn't have laundry detergent to clean it...

Could definitely be. Whatever the case, long sleeves of any kind have set off the hinky meters of many. I am pinning all my hopes on the possibility that there was evidence (ie - DNA) under Nancy's nails and that LE is waiting for those results to come back to make their move. How long does it take????

[ncnative]

So, Brad went back to the HT to get a record of his VIC usage. If I were he, and in the spotlight whether I killed NC or not, I'd be anxious about going out in public. I would not want to go into that HT after all the publicity, knowing I'd (he'd) be stared at, probably pointed at and recognized by many. Maybe it doesn't bother him, but it would bother me if I were in his shoes.

It would be more entertaining to have Kurtz & Blum go in there together, with Brad in tow, TV cameras rolling. Kurtz & Blum could do their little lawyer strut they learned from the OJ Simpson coverage, head held back, chin too high, smirky confidence across the mouth, like they did at the courthouse that day.

[jumpstreet]

Could definitely be. Whatever the case, long sleeves of any kind have set off the hinky meters of many. I am pinning all my hopes on the possibility that there was evidence (ie - DNA) under Nancy's nails and that LE is waiting for those results to come back to make their move. How long does it take????

Believe it or not, it's been noted (by JTF I believe) that it can take upwards of 2 months or more for forensic results to be returned.

[lunarmodule]

I'm trying to get my head wrapped around all this pre-dawn grocery shopping. I know one thing...I hate when I have laundry detergent on the list. It's heavy. It's expensive. And I would have to be DESPERATE to do laundry to make a special trip for it. Although, I usually try to add it to the list when my husband goes...so he has to haul it in! IMHO, no one planned to do laundry on Saturday.

[raisincharlie]

Believe it or not, it's been noted (by JTF I believe) that it can take upwards of 2 months or more for forensic results to be returned.

I have a suspicion that if there was material under Nancy's nails that may id the murderer that there is a possiblity that would have possibly been sent to a private lab. Also Brad's DNA sample. I only say that because the private labs can turn samples relatively quickly - and since LE is hunting for a murderer they may well have done this to expedite or focus the investigation.

The majority of the samples would go to SBI as private labs are very expensive. The 2 month return time - I recall this was posted via an article. But the bright side - it use to take much longer.

[lonetraveler]

My, My, My. We sure are proud of our vocabulary, aren't we. You made yourself look totally silly, putting it mildly. I'm an environmental engineer and I was so impressed with your knowledge...................

[raisincharlie]

Very impressive attack. Care to explain what you are talking about ?

[raisincharlie]

Didn't think so.

[SusieClue]

fyi...i love you raisincharlie. you always make sense to me. you are smart, wise, and funny....forget that weirdo.

[raisincharlie]

fyi...i love you raisincharlie. you always make sense to me. you are smart, wise, and funny....forget that weirdo.


:blushing:


what wierdo ? :crazy:

[SusieClue]

nite nite

[The Saint]

i think it's clear why he is a lone traveler and quite environmentally toxic.

[The Saint]

is there a security guard on duty at all times by the front door or parking lot of Harris Teeter?

[momto3kids]

is there a security guard on duty at all times by the front door or parking lot of Harris Teeter?

I understand NO. There is if there is construction or renovations going on.

[The Saint]

momto3,
would there be a lot of checkers/cashiers at that hour?

[The Saint]

HT is in a complex of stores, correct? would there be a roving security guard for the
complex parking lot?

[Wyn]

is there a security guard on duty at all times by the front door or parking lot of Harris Teeter?


I don't remember EVER seeing one there but then again, I don't shop in the middle of night. Don't remember ever seeing one between the hours of nine am and four pm.

[EntreNous]

So, Brad went back to the HT to get a record of his VIC usage. If I were he, and in the spotlight whether I killed NC or not, I'd be anxious about going out in public. I would not want to go into that HT after all the publicity, knowing I'd (he'd) be stared at, probably pointed at and recognized by many. Maybe it doesn't bother him, but it would bother me if I were in his shoes.

It would be more entertaining to have Kurtz & Blum go in there together, with Brad in tow, TV cameras rolling. Kurtz & Blum could do their little lawyer strut they learned from the OJ Simpson coverage, head held back, chin too high, smirky confidence across the mouth, like they did at the courthouse that day.

If BC were innocent and trying to prove something by retrieving the VIC info, whouldn't his lawyer be getting it, not BC? Why would he be going to get it himself?

[Fairy1]

My, My, My. We sure are proud of our vocabulary, aren't we. You made yourself look totally silly, putting it mildly. I'm an environmental engineer and I was so impressed with your knowledge...................


My goodness Brad....er um I mean lonetraveler. To whom are you referring???

[raisincharlie]

If BC were innocent and trying to prove something by retrieving the VIC info, whouldn't his lawyer be getting it, not BC? Why would he be going to get it himself?

Brad's not a suspect or a POI - what does he have to prove anyway ? What could the time stamps on those receipts possibly have to do with a custody case?

[The Saint]

I don't remember EVER seeing one there but then again, I don't shop in the middle of night. Don't remember ever seeing one between the hours of nine am and four pm.


wyn, what other stores or gas stations are near there and would they be open at that hour?

[momto3kids]

momto3,
would there be a lot of checkers/cashiers at that hour?

I assume you mean 4 to 6am. No there wouldn't be. There is a cashier or two. Many who have some sort of management title will be there as well. The front desk is closed by 11pm. Stockers are very busy at this hour. Any cleaning that needs to be done is also done late at night, so they don't disrupt the shoppers during the day. I don't know how many actual employee's would be ther at this hour.

[EntreNous]

Brad's not a suspect or a POI - what does he have to prove anyway ? What could the time stamps on those receipts possibly have to do with a custody case?

I understand that is technically true but that's not even the point. The point is wouldn't his hired atty be doing that?

[momto3kids]

is there a security guard on duty at all times by the front door or parking lot of Harris Teeter?

I have gone to HT at all hours of the morning in the past years and the only time I saw security is for renovation being done.

I have never seen security in the parking lot. It is like anything, there has never been a need to have one or I am sure there would be one.

[Wyn]

wyn, what other stores or gas stations are near there and would they be open at that hour?

There's really not any 24 hour places open nearby that I know of but I'm not usually out in the middle of the night. The gas station I use the most is Capi's and I think they close at eleven! I know the HT is open twenty-four hours a day mainly because they have sign at the left entrance that says it closes at eleven and to use the other door.

[raisincharlie]

I understand that is technically true but that's not even the point. The point is wouldn't his hired atty be doing that?

I quess my point is why would either of them have to do it ? He said he didn't murder his wife, if he is innocent what does he have to prove ?

Maybe Brad is willful and well frankly cheap - gotta cost him less to do it himself than to pay an attorney to do it for him. For that matter, he could just let LE do it and it would cost him nothing.

[SleuthyGal]

I agree. I would never make an appearance in person at that HT--if I needed to acquire that purchase info I would find some other way. And yes, have my lawyers obtain said information if at all possible.

I also would not DO ANYTHING. I would not respond to rumors, etc. I would let the burden to 'prove' I was responsible continue to rest on the shoulders of the DA. I wouldn't have my lawyers create a website asking for info cause that's the job of LE to gather info. I would WANT to do a lot of things, but I would not do anything at all. I would simply wait and see what happened and how it played out.

Ultimately, the burden to prove a murder beyond a reasonable doubt is squarely on the shoulders of 'the people, represented by the DA.

[momto3kids]

I understand that is technically true but that's not even the point. The point is wouldn't his hired atty be doing that?


The person who told me about the visit said they did not know the exact date. They said it was after the 4am purchase surfaced he went back in. He could have had his attorney with him, I just don't know. The person was describing where they were when they spotted him in the store. This is something I failed to ask.:waitasec:

[momto3kids]

wyn, what other stores or gas stations are near there and would they be open at that hour?
TS....there is another store that NO ONE has mentioned open 24 hrs...very close to BC....anyone want to guess what it is?

[momto3kids]

OK Wyn....think...I hear you say you live very close to me. I then know you have passed it or seen it. Brand New is the hint.

[Bob&Bob]

7-11?

[Wyn]

TS....there is another store that NO ONE has mentioned open 24 hrs...very close to BC....anyone want to guess what it is?

Is the Wal-Mart open 24 hours?

[momto3kids]

I promise to tell..but I promise not 1 person this entire time has talked about it.

[Wyn]

OK Wyn....think...I hear you say you live very close to me. I then know you have passed it or seen it. Brand New is the hint.


Brand new? There's another new Harris Teeter down Tryon at Holly Springs. I can't remember what else is there besides Breugger's.

[Bob&Bob]

Is the Wal-Mart open 24 hours?

I've been wondering about that myself.

Fran would know.

[Wyn]

I promise to tell..but I promise not 1 person this entire time has talked about it.


Give me a street hint.

[momto3kids]

Brand new? There's another new Harris Teeter down Tryon at Holly Springs. I can't remember what else is there besides Breugger's.

You have it. No one has mentioned it. Closer to BC then the one at Crescent Commons.

[ncnative]

I know that a new HT on Tryon and Walnut is open 24 hrs. What do you mean, anyway, about there being another 24 hr. place open near Brad. I'd say he's equidistant between both HTs.

ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER: Ha ha. I surely hope that you don't work at the Harris nuclear facility, because you seem disoriented.

[momto3kids]

This HT is also in the same direction from BC home where NC body was found. The difference he would turn left on Holly Springs instead of right.

[Bob&Bob]

I know that a new HT on Tryon and Walnut is open 24 hrs. What do you mean, anyway, about there being another 24 hr. place open near Brad. I'd say he's equidistant between both HTs.

ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER: Ha ha. I surely hope that you don't work at the Harris nuclear facility, because you seem disoriented.

LOH
(How come we can't use three letters?)

[Wyn]

You have it. No one has mentioned it. Closer to BC then the one at Crescent Commons.

I think someone mentioned it once along with the Lowe's maybe. If they normally shop at the HT on Kildaire I would think that's where he'd go. Would know the location of whatever he wanted to buy. I guess it's possible he could have gone to both of them.

[The Saint]

I understand that is technically true but that's not even the point. The point is wouldn't his hired atty be doing that?
brad's a control freak.

[Fairy1]

I agree. I would never make an appearance in person at that HT--if I needed to acquire that purchase info I would find some other way. And yes, have my lawyers obtain said information if at all possible.

I also would not DO ANYTHING. I would not respond to rumors, etc. I would let the burden to 'prove' I was responsible continue to rest on the shoulders of the DA. I wouldn't have my lawyers create a website asking for info cause that's the job of LE to gather info. I would WANT to do a lot of things, but I would not do anything at all. I would simply wait and see what happened and how it played out.

Ultimately, the burden to prove a murder beyond a reasonable doubt is squarely on the shoulders of 'the people, represented by the DA.

Yes, but maybe he needed to know what "evidence" the state might have against him to build his defense?

[Bob&Bob]

I've been doing some research on Harris Teeter.

For those of you in NC how far away is Fuquay Varina?

[Wyn]

From Fielding the Harris Teeter on Tryon would be closer. I wonder if they checked the security video there? Is that one also open 24 hours? If the one on Kildaire is, it's possible that one isn't.

[EntreNous]

The person who told me about the visit said they did not know the exact date. They said it was after the 4am purchase surfaced he went back in. He could have had his attorney with him, I just don't know. The person was describing where they were when they spotted him in the store. This is something I failed to ask.:waitasec:

It could have been before he hired the lawyer too. I just thought maybe he was looking for something maybe he didn't want anyone including his atty to know about.

[momto3kids]

Someone asked about any other 24 hr places and I said there was 1 place no one had mentioned. It was the other HT.

[Bob&Bob]

Someone asked about any other 24 hr places and I said there was 1 place no one had mentioned. It was the other HT.

Oh crap. I was thinking about guessing that.

[raisincharlie]

Someone asked about any other 24 hr places and I said there was 1 place no one had mentioned. It was the other HT.

Is that the one he visited at 4:20 am ?

The other one at Crescent Commons between 6 and 7 am ?

[momto3kids]

From Fielding the Harris Teeter on Tryon would be closer. I wonder if they checked the security video there? Is that one also open 24 hours? If the one on Kildaire is, it's possible that one isn't.

Yes it is. I didn't know either, but I called them and the voice message states 24 hours.

[Wyn]

I've been doing some research on Harris Teeter.

For those of you in NC how far away is Fuquay Varina?


Ten miles maybe? Not sure exactly.

[The Saint]

This HT is also in the same direction from BC home where NC body was found. The difference he would turn left on Holly Springs instead of right.

so which one did brad go to that day? or did he go to both?

[Bob&Bob]

Ten miles maybe? Not sure exactly.

Thanks Wyn

[Fairy1]

Yes it is. I didn't know either, but I called them and the voice message states 24 hours.

Is this the location where your child works?

[ncnative]

Bob, what do you mean by: "LOH. How come we can't use three letters?"

And, what does knowing how far away ....Fuquay-Varina is..." mean? Are you and Lonetraveler, the environmental engineer, working/partying together tonight?

[Bob&Bob]

By the way. Does anyone know who all the people were at
the party on Friday night, July 11?

[The Saint]

I know that a new HT on Tryon and Walnut is open 24 hrs. What do you mean, anyway, about there being another 24 hr. place open near Brad. I'd say he's equidistant between both HTs.

ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER: Ha ha. I surely hope that you don't work at the Harris nuclear facility, because you seem disoriented.


i hope his specialty is not anthrax

[Bob&Bob]

LOH=laughing over here

[The Saint]

Bob, what do you mean by: "LOH. How come we can't use three letters?"

And, what does knowing how far away ....Fuquay-Varina is..." mean? Are you and Lonetraveler, the environmental engineer, working/partying together tonight?


he's helping bob work on his affidavit spreadsheet

[Bob&Bob]

Why am I laughing?

[Bob&Bob]

Just trying to familiarize myself with towns close by.

[Bob&Bob]

Also, BC said the family wanted her jewelry and her hat and
her sunglasses. Wouldn't she wear her hat and sunglasses to run?

[momto3kids]

Is that the one he visited at 4:20 am ?

The other one at Crescent Commons between 6 and 7 am ?

I understand it was the one at Crescent Commons at 4:20.
I felt it was possible it was the new one at 4:20 and management talked between stores, LE came in looking thru the video and mentioned the 4:20 purchase at the new HT.....but the person I spoke to this week who stated they saw the video says it was Crescent Commons.

[momto3kids]

By the way. Does anyone know who all the people were at
the party on Friday night, July 11?

I can tell you who wasn't at the party.....:)

[Bob&Bob]

Would anyone here know why my time thing keeps changing?

[Bob&Bob]

I can tell you who wasn't at the party.....:)

Who??????

[ncnative]

Mom and Wyn, as I have stated, yes the HT on Tryon and Walnut is open 24 hrs. There is a large neon sign on the storefront area. I would think he'd rather go to that one, since it's brand spanking new and maybe the people he knows wouldn't be at that one. (But then, who would be there in the wee hours of the morning?).

Too bad the killer didn't pick a dirt road, so that there would be a possibility of tire tracks. The clay is so hardened, however.

I'm beginning to wonder what Brad's life was like growing up. Usually there will be an account by some of the news media on one's past life, when there is suspicion/murder.

I'm equally interested in his mom's...er...possibility of psychiatric history. She sounds like her own son, as far as Nancy has reported her behavior to be. Maybe the Listers and family have met her enough to report on that some day. Obviously now is not the time, yet.

I wonder what Nancy's dad REALLY thought about Brad. Or was Nancy's dad just out of the loop as to how bad it had gotten? Probably not out of the loop. He was most likely being diplomatic when he said that he was "...not worried..." about Nancy. (But Nancy's mom said that she had been worried about Nancy.)

[Bob&Bob]

Speaking of Teeters. Here's some uptown Teeter news.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-072308-krg-carbonmonoxide.8225e783.html?npc

[raisincharlie]

I understand it was the one at Crescent Commons at 4:20.
I felt it was possible it was the new one at 4:20 and management talked between stores, LE came in looking thru the video and mentioned the 4:20 purchase at the new HT.....but the person I spoke to this week who stated they saw the video says it was Crescent Commons.

So let me ask you this - with the vic card - is it possible to go to any HT in the area to get data/receipts even if those purchases were made at another location if you know ?

If so he could have maybe gone to the new HT between 6 and 7 and not only would the time be misleading to LE but also the location and therefore the tape. So we know LE looked at the HT tape at Crescent Commons for the 420 time period -yes ?

[Bob&Bob]

Mom and Wyn, as I have stated, yes the HT on Tryon and Walnut is open 24 hrs. There is a large neon sign on the storefront area. I would think he'd rather go to that one, since it's brand spanking new and maybe the people he knows wouldn't be at that one. (But then, who would be there in the wee hours of the morning?).

Too bad the killer didn't pick a dirt road, so that there would be a possibility of tire tracks. The clay is so hardened, however.

I'm beginning to wonder what Brad's life was like growing up. Usually there will be an account by some of the news media on one's past life, when there is suspicion/murder.

I'm equally interested in his mom's...er...possibility of psychiatric history. She sounds like her own son, as far as Nancy has reported her behavior to be. Maybe the Listers and family have met her enough to report on that some day. Obviously now is not the time, yet.

I wonder what Nancy's dad REALLY thought about Brad. Or was Nancy's dad just out of the loop as to how bad it had gotten? Probably not out of the loop. He was most likely being diplomatic when he said that he was "...not worried..." about Nancy. (But Nancy's mom said that she had been worried about Nancy.)

When did she say she was worried?

[momto3kids]

so which one did brad go to that day? or did he go to both?

Crescent Commons for the detergent purchase.

Wouldn't it be funny if he went to the new HT for something?? and found out it appeared on his VIC transactions because he forgot he swiped his card that morning.

[ncnative]

Wasn't that party on Nancy's street?

[momto3kids]

Who??????

B&B....me

[ncnative]

I would think that anyone with a VIC card could go online to HTs website and get info. Not sure. I shop online from the local Lowe's Foods, (Lowe's Foods to Go at Wellington) and occasionally at the Crescent Commons HT. I would check the VIC thing, but it's downstairs and I don't wanna go down the steps at this hour.

[Fairy1]

Is this the location where your child works?

Asking again Momto3 - is this the location where your child works?

[Fairy1]

So let me ask you this - with the vic card - is it possible to go to any HT in the area to get data/receipts even if those purchases were made at another location if you know ?

If so he could have maybe gone to the new HT between 6 and 7 and not only would the time be misleading to LE but also the location and therefore the tape. So we know LE looked at the HT tape at Crescent Commons for the 420 time period -yes ?

Yes - would be my guess. You may be able to obtain receipts from any location - but any video they have will place you at a SPECIFIC store at a SPECIFIC time.

[momto3kids]

Is this the location where your child works?


These 2 HT work well together I hear since they are so close. If employee's are needed to help out they will fill in with employee's from or to the other store. I hear if one is out of balloons they even borrow those...cute huh??

I LOVE HT...can you tell?

[Bob&Bob]

Yes - would be my guess. You may be able to obtain receipts from any location - but any video they have will place you at a SPECIFIC store at a SPECIFIC time.

How long do they keep the videos?

[ncnative]

Bob, Nancy's dad said that he was not worried about Nancy (meaning that he knew about the problems, but he wasn't worried)...when he was speaking at one of the Cary Police Dept. sessions on TV. After that, Nancy's mom spoke up and said, "I was worried."

Sorry that I don't have that link for you. I know someone will find it for you, but it would be there on the videos.

[mahmoo]

:eek: Wow mom that throws a whole new spin on things!

[Bob&Bob]

Crescent Commons...
These 2 HT work well together I hear since they are so close. If employee's are needed to help out they will fill in with employee's from or to the other store. I hear if one is out of balloons they even borrow those...cute huh??

I LOVE HT...can you tell?

I can tell and I'm a little jealous because I've never been to a Harris Teeter.

[Bob&Bob]

Bob, Nancy's dad said that he was not worried about Nancy (meaning that he knew about the problems, but he wasn't worried)...when he was speaking at one of the Cary Police Dept. sessions on TV. After that, Nancy's mom spoke up and said, "I was worried."

Sorry that I don't have that link for you. I know someone will find it for you, but it would be there on the videos.

I'll find it. Thanks.

[raisincharlie]

Yes - would be my guess. You may be able to obtain receipts from any location - but any video they have will place you at a SPECIFIC store at a SPECIFIC time.

That's what I am getting at. If he went to Crescent Commons at 420am he might consider going to the other one between 6 and 7 am because the tape would show him there - the receipts would also have that store id stamped - so if LE had any worry about him - he could make them think he never went to Crescent Commons only the new one. Thus thinking he has effectively hidden the fact he was in a store at 420 am.

[momto3kids]

So let me ask you this - with the vic card - is it possible to go to any HT in the area to get data/receipts even if those purchases were made at another location if you know ?

If so he could have maybe gone to the new HT between 6 and 7 and not only would the time be misleading to LE but also the location and therefore the tape. So we know LE looked at the HT tape at Crescent Commons for the 420 time period -yes ?

Sorry for the delay.

I think you can go to any HT and obtain the print out. It might be the headquarters would have to send it to you, especially if the date is past a certain period of time.

Yes, he could have shopped both HT and has tried to confuse the LE. I don't know if this occured, but it is possible considering this other HT is even closer to his home.

[raisincharlie]

Sorry for the delay.

I think you can go to any HT and obtain the print out. It might be the headquarters would have to send it to you, especially if the date is past a certain period of time.

Yes, he could have shopped both HT and has tried to confuse the LE. I don't know if this occured, but it is possible considering this other HT is even closer to his home.

Thanks sweetie !

[ncnative]

Never been to a HT, Bob? You must not live in NC. I believe they originated in Charlotte NC. Used to be called "Big M" (we used to call it BM as a joke). Before it was Big M, I can't remember what it was, but in the very beginning there was a Harris grocery, and I think a Teeter grocery. There's a history of Harris Teeter online. Try Google.

Harris Teeter is kinda upscale for the groc. stores, as compared to Food Lion, etc. HT is too big for me. Any grocery store is too big for me, because I have bad knees. I shop online. Makes it really nice. Lowe's Foods to Go online is the best. And, they charge less of a fee.

Some people like to see and be seen at HT where Brad shopped, or better yet, TJs and Whole Foods, as well as Fresh Market. Especially those Wisteria Lane people up the road from my house.

[Fairy1]

That's what I am getting at. If he went to Crescent Commons at 420am he might consider going to the other one between 6 and 7 am because the tape would show him there - the receipts would also have that store id stamped - so if LE had any worry about him - he could make them think he never went to Crescent Commons only the new one. Thus thinking he has effectively hidden the fact he was in a store at 420 am.

Good point, but I believe that LE was looking at BC pretty quickly after NC was reported missing - just because that's what they do. I work in the gaming industry and 7 days is the standard for keeping video. Not sure what others do.

[momto3kids]

I can tell and I'm a little jealous because I've never been to a Harris Teeter.

It has to be the Crescent Commons one. It really is impressive with all it offers to its customers.

[raisincharlie]

Good point, but I believe that LE was looking at BC pretty quickly after NC was reported missing - just because that's what they do. I work in the gaming industry and 7 days is the standard for keeping video. Not sure what others do.

I think they were onto him very quickly as well.

[momto3kids]

:eek: Wow mom that throws a whole new spin on things!

I never admitted it was HT until this week, even with all the speculation. But I have tried to think of possible scenario's and this new HT can put a whole new view of things.
Why did he go in to seek the transactions? Was he trying to see if they showed up from the other store? Was he trying to see if he swiped his VIC card since his mind was blank?

I don't know the reason he needs the transaction history.

[Fairy1]

I think they were onto him very quickly as well.

IMO - receipts will do him no good. OTOH - video will do LE no good - unless they HAVE what he was wearing in the video and can tie it into a specific time frame. The thing is, any store has laundry detergent with bleach!

[Bob&Bob]

Never been to a HT, Bob? You must not live in NC. I believe they originated in Charlotte NC. Used to be called "Big M" (we used to call it BM as a joke). Before it was Big M, I can't remember what it was, but in the very beginning there was a Harris grocery, and I think a Teeter grocery. There's a history of Harris Teeter online. Try Google.

Harris Teeter is kinda upscale for the groc. stores, as compared to Food Lion, etc. HT is too big for me. Any grocery store is too big for me, because I have bad knees. I shop online. Makes it really nice. Lowe's Foods to Go online is the best. And, they charge less of a fee.

Some people like to see and be seen at HT where Brad shopped, or better yet, TJs and Whole Foods, as well as Fresh Market. Especially those Wisteria Lane people up the road from my house.

Does Lowe's deliver?

[Fairy1]

I never admitted it was HT until this week, even with all the speculation. But I have tried to think of possible scenario's and this new HT can put a whole new view of things.
Why did he go in to seek the transactions? Was he trying to see if they showed up from the other store? Was he trying to see if he swiped his VIC card since his mind was blank?

I don't know the reason he needs the transaction history.

I may be mistaken - it has happened before! But, I thought in the beginning you said you knew BC was in that store around 4 AM because one of your children worked there and SAW him there. My question is, is this store now under discussion the store your child works in or is it another location???

[raisincharlie]

IMO - receipts will do him no good. OTOH - video will do LE no good - unless they HAVE what he was wearing in the video and can tie it into a specific time frame. The thing is, any store has laundry detergent with bleach!

I agree except the video tape will assist LE and the DA if it is proven to be properly time stamped. Enhancement technigues are very good and getting better all the time. The specific clothing - it the enhancements verify it is Brad - it is equally damning if the clothing is not found. If found of course there will be testing.

[momto3kids]

To take this a step further...

Why would anyone need to request the transaction history?

Simply state you got up around 5:45, went to get milk around 6am...got home and 30 minutes later realized you forgot to get juice for the little one...back to the store and picked up detergent since it was mentioned earlier they were out. NC had waited until he got home and left for her jog at 7am. How simple is that?

The LE doesn't expect anyone to know the exact time to the minute they were at the store, but I assume they do expect you to remember what time you got up that morning and the sequence of events.

IMO approx was what they needed. SO why did he feel he needed to check the exact time of the transactions????????

[Fairy1]

I agree except the video tape will assist LE and the DA if it is proven to be properly time stamped. Enhancement technigues are very good and getting better all the time. The specific clothing - it the enhancements verify it is Brad - it is equally damning if the clothing is not found. If found of course there will be testing.

So true, but if was wearing a ball cap, he could have intentionally hidden his face and no amount of enhancement would help in that case. As far as his face goes, I mean.

[OregonMommy]

Somebody moved it.

why are your posts always one sentence long, at best? Are you messing with us???

[momto3kids]

so true, but if was wearing a ball cap, he could have intentionally hidden his face and no amount of enhancement would help in that case. As far as his face goes, i mean.

bingo

[Fairy1]

why are your posts always one sentence long, at best? Are you messing with us???

And in relation to nothing in particular. Messing with us?? I think, yep.

[OregonMommy]

And in relation to nothing in particular. Messing with us?? I think, yep.

Well, I almost said "f-ing" with us, but I minded my p's and q's. You know, I play catch up, as do most of you - read some really interesting posts and it takes up to an hour - and his stand out as condescending and mocking. So I just thought I would ask. I am a busy woman who is praying for justice for NC and just don't have time for the bs.

[momto3kids]

And in relation to nothing in particular. Messing with us?? I think, yep.

I've been watching his posts for a while now and I think he got on many nerves, but day after day I think he is not intending to mess with us.

It was brought up with Tricia last night on the radio show and he just is trying to find a place to put himself. I think he feels left out at times.

Now i could be totally wrong. :eek:

[Fairy1]

Well, I almost said "f-ing" with us, but I minded my p's and q's. You know, I play catch up, as do most of you - read some really interesting posts and it takes up to an hour - and his stand out as condescending and mocking. So I just thought I would ask. I am a busy woman who is praying for justice for NC and just don't have time for the bs.

A - f---ing - men! Nice to see you OM!

[Fairy1]

I've been watching his posts for a while now and I think he got on many nerves, but day after day I think he is not intending to mess with us.

It was brought up with Tricia last night on the radio show and he just is trying to find a place to put himself. I think he feels left out at times.

Now i could be totally wrong. :eek:

I don't think it's too difficult to find your way here! :crazy::crazy::crazy:

[momto3kids]

So true, but if was wearing a ball cap, he could have intentionally hidden his face and no amount of enhancement would help in that case. As far as his face goes, I mean.

Plan on this to be the case...

[Fairy1]

Plan on this to be the case...


Oh I do! And also plan on BC believing he's smarter than EVERYONE else. A common denominator in these cases. Thank you Momto3kids!

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[OregonMommy]

A - f---ing - men! Nice to see you OM!

Thanks. Ok, back to biz.

You all are sooooo good at this. I am impressed.

[OregonMommy]

I've been watching his posts for a while now and I think he got on many nerves, but day after day I think he is not intending to mess with us.

It was brought up with Tricia last night on the radio show and he just is trying to find a place to put himself. I think he feels left out at times.

Now i could be totally wrong. :eek:


What if he is not really a he? You never know? I guess this is not really the forum, but it's too bad I have to worry about this when trying to read the real stuff. That is all.

[mahmoo]

Plan on this to be the case...

Well crud!!!!!! Now what????

[ncnative]

Yes, Bob, Lowe's Foods delivers. It'll cost you about $20 for that. It's only $5.95 for them to do your online shopping for you, you drive up and they put it in your car. $17.95 a month gets you all the online shopping for a month, no matter how many visits. I haven't done the delivery. I'd have to be pretty near dead to pay someone $20 or more to deliver my groceries when I have a husband and myself who can go pick up the online orders.

So as not to be scolded for not being on topic, let me say that these murders in the neighborhood/vicinity are worrisome. Every day I have to drive by the Cooper house (the back yard) and knowing about that, seeing the place, takes away my once secure feeling about living here.

I know that anything can happen anywhere, and it has. 9-11 taught us that. I guess I'll never understand why our creator put hate/killing/evil/and everything else that's awful--into the human being. So, before you all think I'm a nutcase, I'm off to sleep.

I'll need to watch a little faux-life on TV to get a happy vibe, just so I can sleep. No wait, I'll just talk to my cat here beside me.

[momto3kids]

Cap + jacket= suspicious

did I spell that right?:waitasec:

[mahmoo]

Cap + jacket= suspicious

did I spell that right?:waitasec:

Is the face visible at all?

[Fairy1]

Cap + jacket= suspicious

did I spell that right?:waitasec:


You sure did - and your point is right on!

[Fairy1]

Is the face visible at all?

I don't think we know the answer to this.....yet. BUT, digital enhancement is a beautiful thing. They should be able to close in on a number of other specifics. Might even be able to determine height and weight of the "shopper" in question. And the vehicle in which he/she arrived at the store....

[momto3kids]

Is the face visible at all?

I don't know. The person discussing it was trying to be discrete and of course I was too. I took what they were willing to talk about in the short amount of time because of where we were.

Maybe he messed up and wore the same cap as the press conference...then who needs the face?

[momto3kids]

I don't think we know the answer to this.....yet. BUT, digital enhancement is a beautiful thing. They should be able to close in on a number of other specifics. Might even be able to determine height and weight of the "shopper" in question. And the vehicle in which he/she arrived at the store....


No vehicle noted....no security camera's in the parking lot.

TTYL..it is almost 2am here.

[Fairy1]

No vehicle noted....no security camera's in the parking lot.

TTYL..it is almost 2am here.

Dang it! Maybe at a nearby business???

[tarheelfan78]

I have a question regarding the long sleeves to those who may have assisted in the search. Was BC present everyday? And if so did he wear long sleeves everyday? I live in Durham and it was ridiculously hot during this time period!!!!

[MoonFlwr]

To take this a step further...

Why would anyone need to request the transaction history?

Simply state you got up around 5:45, went to get milk around 6am...got home and 30 minutes later realized you forgot to get juice for the little one...back to the store and picked up detergent since it was mentioned earlier they were out. NC had waited until he got home and left for her jog at 7am. How simple is that?

The LE doesn't expect anyone to know the exact time to the minute they were at the store, but I assume they do expect you to remember what time you got up that morning and the sequence of events.

IMO approx was what they needed. SO why did he feel he needed to check the exact time of the transactions????????

Maybe his lawyer suggested it. Seeing the times in hard copy couldn't do any harm, it would just make you sure of the exact times, so you could state them correctly.

[Just the Fax]

i've seen pictures of the pond. it held water enough to cover a body. was nancy bigger than 9x9? the answer is no. sheesh.
theories are discussed on crime boards, not all fall within linear thinking.

eta: raisincharlie said this:
(snipped) "I also went back and read some things and found an interesting article at WRAL. The article indicated that Sheriff Donnie Harrison indicated the body was indeed laying in the dirt. Cary PD reported the body as being in the pond. So I think one must go with the agency that actually recovered the body which would be WCSO under Sheriff Harrison.

So my apology for questioning - I think you all are correct in your theories of where Nancy was found. "

Actually CPD did not report anything, as they were not there until after WCSO.
The body 'found in water' story was the very early breaking news report from WRAL. It was not clarified until later that night by Sheriff Harrison

[MoonFlwr]

The body 'found in water' story was the very early breaking news report from WRAL. It was not clarified until later that night by Sheriff Harrison

Yes, that's how I seem to remember it.

[SleuthyGal]

This is all VERY interesting. I didn't know there was a new HT over there. Of course all this time I had no idea how plush and