Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #46

[Ladybass0711]

Please continue here



Before posting, look around the forum!!!!

FORUM DEDICATED TO THE DISAPPEARANCE OF CAYLEE ANTHONY (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166)

there are threads already started on many topics.


please...please....please...before posting look at the forum and put your posts in the proper area.


eta....I posted this last night to try and explain the purpose of having a forum
I posted that to explain to new posters how 'it works'.....k......

Imagine this.......someone walks into a police station...says, my grandchild is missing...file gets opened...A THREAD....we started this case with A THREAD...this thread, went on and on...prolly got in the teens (we close at 15 to 20 pages and start new)....then we decide..OK...one FILE (thread) is not working...we need to spread out. So we open a forum...MANY FILES (threads) each discussing a particular part of the case.

So, if you want to talk about Myspace, go to here, Myspace and facebook comments (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68058)

If you want to talk about 911 calls, go here
911 Transcripts (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68096)

If you want to see maps of the area, go here
Maps (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67867)

If you want to know about searches, go here
The Search for Caylee-Possible Physical Locations (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68151)


Think Ricardo is the dad? I do...LOL...go here
Casey and Ricardo (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68252)


The discussion thread is to bring up things there is NOT ALREADY being discussed. Look through the forum before posting....post in the right area.

No one is trying to be mean. You ALL ROCK! Just trying to organize so this goes smooth. Lately it's been post after post of the same thing in this one thread....it's not helping.

There is an AMAZING group of posters joined here...let's make it work.

[ShinaLite]

thanks Ladybass!!

posted this right before realizing the last thread was being closed..

I'll look for it but I remember Cindy, in an interview, saying that Casey did have a job and that job did pay the delivery bills. She said something like, "Yes she had a job at the time, I sure as hell didn't pay her hospital bills, her insurance from her job paid them."

Hi CASuzk,
that info can be found in the video of Cindy's testimony from the bond hearing..
She also speaks about Casey's work history as well as the Grunds and another friend of Casey's doing the babysitting for Caylee because she was also working at the time (The gm)

[curiositycat]

I just mentioned on the previous thread that the newspaper article with the interview from the uncle stated that the "Past Two months" blah, blah blah. How can this be. We haven't known about this case for two months.
More and more I am beginning to think that the whole family may have been looking for Caylee a lot sooner than we have been told!!!!

[ketel0ne]

Does anyone know the plate number on the Pontiac? I'll take it in PM or the board.

[Patty G]

Bringing over from other thread.


Originally Posted by distracted
Patti, is this it?

http://www.wftv.com/video/16914802/index.html

First, thank you so much for searching but this isn't the the video where Jesse talks about the phone call. This video I have but I feel that other media spoke with him on the very same day because after that, he wasn't speaking to the media.

This had to be done within 2 days of Casey's arrest.

Thanks again!
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[RR0004]

OOPS...sorry Blink, I didn't see your quote about the 21st.

[McSev]

Does anyone know the plate number on the Pontiac? I'll take it in PM or the board.

It's part of the arrest affidavit. FL G63XV

[ketel0ne]

It's part of the arrest affidavit. FL G63XV

Thanks. I feel a pdf flyer being created, I'll mail them as many as they want.

[McSev]

SHORTY said

Does anyone know if text messages can be retrieved from a cell phone?
If that is possible that would solve a lot about this case.
Since Casey did all this texting to Zanny, her Mom and whoever.

The answer to this question is yes. The text messages can be retrieved from the carrier, not the phone if the messages have been erased from the device. The mayor of Detriot found this out in a not-so-nice-way when he was charged with perjury about having an affair with one of his administration folks and lying about it on the stand.

[Pixie_Dust]

About the text messaging they can only see the phone number not the acutal message seen that on forensic file show

[SuziQ]

To answer the text message question from the last thread. Yes, text messages can be retrieved by LE.

[Patty G]

About the text messaging they can only see the phone number not the acutal message seen that on forensic file show


AT&T has the capability to go a step further and retrieve the messages. When their new phone came out, can't recall the name of the phone that cost close to $500.00, people were getting their bill in a Fed Ex box with every single message with content in the bill.

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Does anyone know if text messages can be retrieved from a cell phone?
If that is possible that would solve a lot about this case.
Since Casey did all this texting to Zanny, her Mom and whoever.

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Phone companies keep these records.... it's all on their databases.

[LI_Mom]

AT&T has the capability to go a step further and retrieve the messages. When their new phone came out, can't recall the name of the phone that cost close to $500.00, people were getting their bill in a Fed Ex box with every single message with content in the bill.

iPhone?

[McSev]

AT&T has the capability to go a step further and retrieve the messages. When their new phone came out, can't recall the name of the phone that cost close to $500.00, people were getting their bill in a Fed Ex box with every single message with content in the bill.

It was the iPhone :) And AT&T isn't the only one :)

[Patty G]

Does anyone know the plate number on the Pontiac? I'll take it in PM or the board.


Curious to know why you want the plate number? Checking for speeding tickets, Ez Pay?

[curiositycat]

About the text messaging they can only see the phone number not the acutal message seen that on forensic file show

I wonder about that though. I have a cellphone that is only used for business purposes. Very few people have that number. I started getting some really scary text messages. When I called Verizon a supervisor there was able to see the messages. It shocked her as much as it did me. She changed my phone number immediately.

So, I think they may be able to see those messages if they have a high enough security level.

[oakayfine]

Bringing this over from the other thread -

My advice to the Anthony's is to go to the jail and show Casey this:

A missing flier that says:

Caylee Anthony age 2 missing June 16th.
Last seen with Casey Anthony age 22 in the Orlando area give the Anthony home address. Driving a 1998 White Pontiac Sunfire give plate number. Car found at the Amscot on xxxx on June 30th. Pictures of both Casey and Caylee and the car and include the FBI and OCSD numbers.

Tell her this is their last visit to see her and they aren't paying for the attorney. Then change their home number and cell numbers. Show her what disconnected numbers really are.

That is definitely the "tough love" approach" and I have to agree with you totally. I honestly believe whith every breath I breath, that this approach, and this approach alone will work. Casey is used to manipulating her Mom and Dad. She's gotten away with it for 20+ YEARS.
As much as it hurts, Geroge and Cyndi BOTH need to let go if they really want the truth. Dear daughter is playing games with them right now and the games need to stop. This is serious business now, not just the day to day, no one hurt, no harm, no foul type of stuff going on here.

Wake up George and Cyndi - If you really want to find out about your dearest grand daughter, stop with the codes and games. Turn the investigaton over to the police and refuse anymore interviews with the press. The general population does not trust any of you anymore. Hire a PR person to voice any of your concerns.

I will also add that this post, by any way shape or form, means that I think George or Cyndi have anything to do with the disappearance of Caley. It is totally the opposite. I firmly believe they had nothing to do with this. The responsible party is Casey. I feel badly for George and Cyndi as they want to find their Caylee but at the same time want to save Casey from what they believe is harm. Casey has caused her parents so much grief I can not even imagine. C

Casey, quit playing your games with Mom and Dad ... they are on to you. You are destroying them. You are also destroying your brother Lee. You did what you did. Why do you have to drag your entire family down with you??



JMO

[Patty G]

It was the iPhone :) And AT&T isn't the only one :)

Thanks for the info on iphone ... I just used At&T because that is the cellphone service Casey uses. :)

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Does anyone know if text messages can be retrieved from a cell phone?
If that is possible that would solve a lot about this case.
Since Casey did all this texting to Zanny, her Mom and whoever.

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Phone companies keep these records.... it's all on their databases.

That is correct, but texts are only available to anyone other than the owner of the account by subpoena, and after a specified time period, by subpoena from the account owner as well.

[ketel0ne]

Curious to know why you want the plate number? Checking for speeding tickets, Ez Pay?

No I am going to make them a missing persons flier. Last person known with Caylee, was Casey driving a White Pontiac Sunfire. I can print about 1k a day for a cost of about $50 bucks at Kinko's or staples.

[Starr58]

GMA Anthony's MySpace is scheduled to be deleted tomorrow!!!

[Ladybass0711]

GMA Anthony's MySpace is scheduled to be deleted tomorrow!!!


And you know this how?

[curiositycat]

No I am going to make them a missing persons flier. Last person known with Caylee, was Casey driving a White Pontiac Sunfire.

Well, how do we know this for sure. The last time Cindy said she saw her was father's day. I know it seems as if Casey was the last person. How do we really know that???

[Patty G]

No I am going to make them a missing persons flier. Last person known with Caylee, was Casey driving a White Pontiac Sunfire.

OK ...

FYI, as far as it stands, Cindy and George are not paying Casey's attorney! No one knows yet how Casey's attorney is going to be paid.

Cindy and George said they let all their calls go to voice mail so chances of Casey getting through are limited.

If anything, I would find a photo of Casey holding Caylee for the first time after her birth ... This would be a statement.

[Shorty]

The answer to this question is yes. The text messages can be retrieved from the carrier, not the phone if the messages have been erased from the device. The mayor of Detriot found this out in a not-so-nice-way when he was charged with perjury about having an affair with one of his administration folks and lying about it on the stand.

Thanks I hope LE has that info

[ketel0ne]

GMA Anthony's MySpace is scheduled to be deleted tomorrow!!!

I wonder why announce it? I really don't care why they are deleting it.

[burningsky22]

And you know this how?

It says it on the page. The Lee's and Casey's will no longer be updatged. They made a new one.

[Patty G]

Well, how do we know this for sure. The last time Cindy said she saw her was father's day. I know it seems as if Casey was the last person. How do we really know that???


I have asked this question time and time again. When Casey said it has been 31 days since she saw Caylee, could this have been on the 15th when Cindy had her.

The last person who "truly" last saw Caylee was Cindy. FACT!! On record at the nursing home. Everything after that is "fuzzy"!

[whiteangora]

I wonder why announce it? I really don't care why they are deleting it.

They may be suffering from the Drew Peterson syndrome - media darlings, ya know?

[moxiecrimefighter]

First of all, let me say that you guys are awesome! Everyone is trying so HARD for the greater good.

However, I get SOOO disenchanted the more I hear Casey talk. I used to party it UP! Have my picture taken...much like Casey - take any chances offered, etc...you get the picture.

I not am the PROUD parent of a 13 month old little boy. I can't IMAGINE not exhausting every avenue to find my child.

We can all sit here an debate and ponder facts....but here is the plain truth ladies and gents:

Listen to the tale of the tape: the Jailhouse calls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She NEVER ONCE asks about Caylee - how the investigation is going, etc,, etc. Well - we can sit here all day long and debate gas cans, car abandonment, etc, etc,.

But the TRUTH is screaming at all of us! This mother could care LESS about her daughter and the whereabouts. aka. Bless Caylee - she is with the angels now.

AND YOU ALl know what I mean.

[ketel0ne]

OK ...

FYI, as far as it stands, Cindy and George are not paying Casey's attorney! No one knows yet how Casey's attorney is going to be paid.

Cindy and George said they let all their calls go to voice mail so chances of Casey getting through are limited.

If anything, I would find a photo of Casey holding Caylee for the first time after her birth ... This would be a statement.

But a current photo of each might actually get leads.

[Starr58]

And you know this how?

as posted on her MySpace page:

www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing _ (Cindy- grandma) This profile will be deleted Monday Aug 4th. Please friend request Caylee Is Missing! www.HelpFindCaylee.com

[curiositycat]

I was gone making dinner ect for awhile and I am playing catch up here. Bear with me please. HOW do we know that GMA My space is scheduled for deleting tomorrow?

[Patty G]

And you know this how?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=393867555&MyToken=3ced5b79-efe9-4eb9-9a53-9246570b6c2f

[ketel0ne]

It says it on the page. The Lee's and Casey's will no longer be updatged. They made a new one.

Cindy's says:

www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing _ (Cindy- grandma) This profile will be deleted Monday Aug 4th. Please friend request Caylee Is Missing! www.HelpFindCaylee.com (http://www.HelpFindCaylee.com)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=393867555

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Rosered I have a (sister)in jail as i type that is a loser, out of 5 children she is like non of us.
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That was my point Alla mae, That it is NOT the parents fault as they raised both children the same way. I can not see putting blame on George and Cindy in this situation as they are victims.

[McSev]

That is correct, but texts are only available to anyone other than the owner of the account by subpoena, and after a specified time period, by subpoena from the account owner as well.

I think it's a search warrant they have to have, but I could be mistaken. Now that the FBI has been pulled in, that shouldn't be too difficult at all. Further, you do realize that this applies to voicemail too?

[Amster]

What date is LE using as the last known sighting of Caylee?

[Patty G]

But a current photo of each might actually get leads.


I'm sorry, I was thinking you were making this flier for Casey to see only. Like I said earlier ... I'm tired!

[Ladybass0711]

Ok, weird that she will annouce it, maybe another "attention ploy"?

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Does anyone know if text messages can be retrieved from a cell phone?
If that is possible that would solve a lot about this case.
Since Casey did all this texting to Zanny, her Mom and whoever.

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Phone companies keep these records.... it's all on their databases.

Yes... it has been used many times by law enforcement in other cases.

[curiositycat]

as posted on her MySpace page:

www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing (http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing) _ (Cindy- grandma) This profile will be deleted Monday Aug 4th. Please friend request Caylee Is Missing! www.HelpFindCaylee.com (http://www.HelpFindCaylee.com)
last login today mood= SCARED

[burningsky22]

Ok, weird that she will annouce it, maybe another "attention ploy"?

I think they are just tired of keeping up with three of them. They must get a zillion emails and friends request in each of them. I assume they are just consolidating them.

[Starr58]

I wonder why announce it? I really don't care why they are deleting it.

Sorry..thought someone other than u might be interested:bang::rolleyes:

[SuziQ]

I think the myspace page being deleted was discussed at great length last night. They are pointing to another page. There is no reason to have numerous pages. They are probably tired of dealing with so many.

[ketel0ne]

Sorry..thought someone other than u might be interested:bang::rolleyes:

Nono. I meant I wonder why they are announcing it.

[RoseRed]

I have asked this question time and time again. When Casey said it has been 31 days since she saw Caylee, could this have been on the 15th when Cindy had her.

The last person who "truly" last saw Caylee was Cindy. FACT!! On record at the nursing home. Everything after that is "fuzzy"!

I don't pay any attention the the 31 days because every thing Casey has said has been a lie. Why on earth get stuck on this 31 day thing. Doesn't make sense to think it is true and every other single statement is a lie. JMO

[Blink34]

I think it's a search warrant they have to have, but I could be mistaken. Now that the FBI has been pulled in, that shouldn't be too difficult at all. Further, you do realize that this applies to voicemail too?

No, a search warrant covers search and seizure, records must be obtained by subpoena. Reason being that in a S&S is specific for most part to the items being sought based on the prob cause affidvait.
Records are supporting evidence that one cannot determine what exactly can be found, but is still based on a prob cause affidavit

[SuziQ]

What date is LE using as the last known sighting of Caylee?

Padilla said the 15th of June.

[curiositycat]

I don't pay any attention the the 31 days because every thing Casey has said has been a lie. Why on earth get stuck on this 31 day thing. Doesn't make sense to think it is true and every other single statement is a lie. JMO

I agree with you! It's not like it's the only lie she has told!

[McSev]

No, a search warrant covers search and seizure, records must be obtained by subpoena. Reason being that in a S&S is specific for most part to the items being sought based on the prob cause affidvait.
Records are supporting evidence that one cannot determine what exactly can be found, but is still based on a prob cause affidavit

I actually thought that changed with the Patriot Act, which unbeknownst to most, covered a whole lot more than just terrorism.

[ketel0ne]

I don't pay any attention the the 31 days because every thing Casey has said has been a lie. Why on earth get stuck on this 31 day thing. Doesn't make sense to think it is true and every other single statement is a lie. JMO

I only go with it cause no person on the planet has seen Caylee since June 15th, 16th and that was 31 days.

[SusieClue]

I know...I know...this is elsewhere on the forum, but the piece about the porn dealers...I don't know if this is all a bunch of crap, BUT if it isn't, I have the sense that the Fusion entity could be tied to porn/sex ring and then Casey's supposed "reversal" would make sense. In my heart, I think it is cut and dried, she did it, the poor baby is gone, BUT I am grasping at straws here. The folks she hung around clearly weren't all that moral.




Comment by ShawnHS
August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I have been analyzing audio from Casey Anthony’s phone calls from jail for reverse speech.

A brief explanation of Reverse Speech is that it is messages from the unconscious mind embedded backward into speech. Reverse Speech is revealed when listening to a recording of someone talking, and reversing the audio. There currently is no known way for someone to consciously manipulate what is produced, and therefore can be deemed as highly reliable. Speech reversals will add to information left out in normal speech, negate forward speech with the truth if a lie is told, and reveal how one truly feels about a subject. A speech reversal can occur even if someone is talking about one subject, but thinking of another.

There are thousands of examples regarding reverse speech which can be found on the internet through a simple search.

It would appear as each call Casey Anthony has placed from jail, her speech reversals are revealing more clues as to what is going on. She seems upset that she is perceived as being solely involved with her daughter’s disappearance.

In her reversals she is saying “boys did this” and she has been warned not to talk to police. She is indicating she is scared. She will not tell her friend what is going on as a means to protect her. It may be fair to assume that she extends those concerns to her family as well. During the bond hearing her mother said she believes that someone is threatening Casey in some way.

Her brother, Lee Anthony, asks several different ways about ever calling the baby sitter on her cell phone(s). Her reversals suggest she has not. There is also a question of a lost cell phone, referred to as a Black Jack. Her reversals reveal the cell phone is “trashed” because “Carmen mishandled it” and therefore the cell phone is not lost.

In her July 30, 2008 call to her brother, he asks her if anything has changed. Her response in reverse speech essentially is that she is still holding out on talking about a male that she refers to as the “porn dealer” and notes he is a killer.

The speech reversals from Cindy Anthony are indicating she has been truthful as to what she knows. She appears to believe that her daughter has been deceitful, and deep down she may believe that Caylee has died.

For more details and to listen to the audio got to the web page link:http://www.backwardstate.com/backwar…ebsite_034.htm

[kathyn2]

DJ said he never saw Caylee after June 13th. She was at the mom's til July 16th am. Something happened between June 16 and the day the car was found. If the boyfriend didn't see Caylee after June 13 then where was Caylee June 14 up until the party on the 15th? Where did Casey stay? With the BF? or with someone else? I am surprised people aren't coming forward to name the date they saw Casey or Caylee.

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Originally Posted by Elley Mae
In reference to Caylee being missing from the 16th thru the 20th 1) Cindy said she heard Caylee on the 16th in the bedroom 2) Casey was at Fusian Friday the 20th all of her friends have said that they did not see her after that,only excuses. In between is when something happened probably at the house,why would the the dogs hit on the back yard?

If the DJ is to be believed Casey was at their apt without Caylee each of those nights. June 16th,17th,18th on. Caylee and Casey were not at Cindy's any night after June 15th.
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[Patty G]

Ok, weird that she will annouce it, maybe another "attention ploy"?


I guess it's better to announce it, rather then just delete it because people would only speculate why they deleted it, like asking why they are annoucing it.

It's a no winner!

[RoseRed]

They may be suffering from the Drew Peterson syndrome - media darlings, ya know?

She is letting her friends know so they can request to be a friend on the other site. It is perfectly logical to me..

[Starr58]

Nono. I meant I wonder why they are announcing it.

IMO Because they are sooooo very important and they everyone is interested in what they are doing every minute of the day ..... so they want everyone to know.:rolleyes:

[ketel0ne]

Padilla said the 15th of June.

Maybe the missing flier should have Cindy and Caylee on it and her plate number?

[ketel0ne]

IMO Because they are sooooo very important and they everyone is interested in what they are doing every minute of the day ..... so they want everyone to know.:rolleyes:

Maybe one of their personal assistants told them for free they couldn't update them all.

[cindilou]

She is letting her friends know so they can request to be a friend on the other site. It is perfectly logical to me..

exactly.. if they didnt announce it we'd all be asking why they would close their page and NOT let everyone know!!

[Patty G]

They are also deleting Casey's MySpace page tomorrow.

[kathyn2]

What sort of mother would give her child over to child porn dealers? Who would even subject their children anywhere near such people? I don't believe the child porn stuff. You would have to be satanic to give your child over to such evil willingly.

[ketel0ne]

I guess it's better to announce it, rather then just delete it because people would only speculate why they deleted it, like asking why they are annoucing it.

It's a no winner!

Exactly so just leave it the way it is. It says to go to helpfindcaylee.com the less information you change and manipulate the easier this whole missing person thing really is.

[Ladybass0711]

Ok no need to get defensive, or upset with us questioning it!!

[LI_Mom]

GMA Anthony's MySpace is scheduled to be deleted tomorrow!!!

No loss.... LE already has all the records they need from there.

I'm sure most of the relevant messages from her MySpace have also been posted all over the internet by now anyway.

[close_enough]

I only go with it cause no person on the planet has seen Caylee since June 15th, 16th and that was 31 days.

right, absolut......that may be the only thing Casey hasn't lied about...the 31 days

[McSev]

They are also deleting Casey's MySpace page tomorrow.

Case in point to what was being discussed on the other thread: too much private information posted where everybody can see. So I'm wondering who's talked to them and told them to remove them? I'm torn between it being Baez, or LE OR someone else is finally consulting with the family who has a clue?

[SuziQ]

Maybe the missing flier should have Cindy and Caylee on it and her plate number?

It couldn't hurt.

[Ladybass0711]

What sort of mother would give her child over to child porn dealers? Who would even subject their children anywhere near such people? I don't believe the child porn stuff. You would have to be satanic to give your child over to such evil willingly.


Did I read this correctly? You don't beleive in Child porn??

[Patty G]

Maybe the missing flier should have Cindy and Caylee on it and her plate number?

Do you mean Casey's mug shot and inmate number???

[moxiecrimefighter]

Guys - i am so sorry to be so new and so blunt..... But imagine how this convo goes down.

"George and Lee, you know as well as I do that something isn't right here. So - maybe Casey made a BAD mistake??? So now, we're going to lose Caylee and NOW Casey, too? Please - our family can't endure BOTH of those blows. We have to protect Casey at all costs."

I can just hear this convo going down....thoughts, guys?

[ketel0ne]

Do you mean Casey's mug shot and inmate number??? I might just have to use that one. Thanks for the idea.

[curiousmind]

This is interesting...

Brought over from the players thread....

websurfer
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Zenaida Gonzalez

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http://www.facebook.com/people/Zenai...alez/524517296

this is one from PR
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Seems to be an awful lot of connections to Puerto Rico. Amy, Ricardo, the vacation, etc.......

Is anyone on facebook and could look for common friends of this lady and Amy/Casey/Ricardo, etc....?

[LI_Mom]

Exactly so just leave it the way it is. It says to go to helpfindcaylee.com the less information you change and manipulate the easier this whole missing person thing really is.

I agree.

It's another example of VERY bad decision making.

There's NOTHING to gain by deleting the account.... nobody forces you to log in or respond to any messages there. This move only opens the door to more speculation.... exactly what you DON'T want if you prefer people focus on finding Caylee.

[ketel0ne]

Guys - i am so sorry to be so new and so blunt..... But imagine how this convo goes down.

"George and Lee, you know as well as I do that something isn't right here. So - maybe Casey made a BAD mistake??? So now, we're going to lose Caylee and NOW Casey, too? Please - our family can't endure BOTH of those blows. We have to protect Casey at all costs."

I can just hear this convo going down....thoughts, guys?

Only if Jose Baez said it to them about their family.

[SuziQ]

Curiousmind, that has been discussed and searched to death. I haven't followed it closely because I don't think it has anything to do with anything. So I can't tell you what the result was.

[SusieClue]

What sort of mother would give her child over to child porn dealers? Who would even subject their children anywhere near such people? I don't believe the child porn stuff. You would have to be satanic to give your child over to such evil willingly.

UM...what kind of mother would lie to her boyfriend and tell him that he is the father of this newborn baby, when he is, in fact, not?

What kind of mother would not be cooperative and honest with LE in the search for her missing child?

What kind of mother would spend all of her free time wearing t-shirts emblazoned with "Beer Wench" and playing beer pong instead of being a mother to her child

What kind of mother would NOT REPORT HER MISSING BABY GIRL FOR 31 DAYS?

[jep0216]

They are also deleting Casey's MySpace page tomorrow.

How do you know that? Cindys says it is being deleted tomorrow. Caseys still says it will no longer be updated (which it has says ever since they created www.helpfindcaylee.com (http://www.helpfindcaylee.com))

[Blink34]

last login today mood= SCARED

Not to be a nudge, but the Anthony's should really consider advice from an attorney before soliciting donations. There needs to be a 501 disclosure on their site, meaning this is NOT TAX DEDUCTABLE as this is not a non-profit..

[SuziQ]

UM...what kind of mother would lie to her boyfriend and tell him that he is the father of this newborn baby, when he is, in fact, not?

What kind of mother would not be cooperative and honest with LE in the search for her missing child?

What kind of mother would spend all of her free time wearing t-shirts emblazoned with "Beer Wench" and playing beer pong instead of being a mother to her child

What kind of mother would NOT REPORT HER MISSING BABY GIRL FOR 31 DAYS?

The same kind of mother who would kill her child and not look back.

[McSev]

I agree.

It's another example of VERY bad decision making.

There's NOTHING to gain by deleting the account.... nobody forces you to log in or respond to any messages there. This move only opens the door to more speculation.... exactly what you DON'T want if you prefer people focus on finding Caylee.

Yes, it does open the door now for speculation. But if we didn't have access to those sites initially, including the photo sites (which are next, if Ben Fawley's case with Taylor Behl is any indication), we'd be a lot more in the dark and getting our info from LE. There'd be a way clearer line between the family's goal of finding Caylee, and LE's investigation rather than 3 investigations going on: The Anthony's personal one, LE, AND the public.

[McSev]

Not to be a nudge, but the Anthony's should really consider advice from an attorney before soliciting donations. There needs to be a 501 disclosure on their site, meaning this is NOT TAX DEDUCTABLE as this is not a non-profit..

That wasn't a nudge, that was the truth :) Rightly so...

[curiositycat]

Not to be a nudge, but the Anthony's should really consider advice from an attorney before soliciting donations. There needs to be a 501 disclosure on their site, meaning this is NOT TAX DEDUCTABLE as this is not a non-profit..

Oh so true! Could this be why they are deleting these??? The other ones may be different if they are through the organization that is now helping them.

[SusieClue]

The same kind of mother who would kill her child and not look back.

and then be mad that SHE is not the one getting the attention!:mad:

[ketel0ne]

Most of the people on here will agree it is not hard to put out accurate and easy to follow updates in a missing persons case. The ones that aren't easy to follow either end up like the runaway bride (good), Natalee Holloway (assumed bad), Tara Grinstead (assumed bad), and others. The hard to follow ones all lack 2 things. The truth and consistent message.

[Patty G]

Retract my statement about Casey's ....

Here is Lee's MySpace Page. Lee's will no longer be updated
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=77598266

[MomOfECS]

Hopefully someone can answer this for me... Has there ever been any indication of why Casey left her parents house in the first place? Could it have been because something happened to Caylee at the house on the 16th and she didn't want them to find out. For some reason I have the impression that she just up and left, it may have come from what Cindy had written on her myspace. I will admit I am not able to keep up with WS like you guys, I can only read when my son is sleeping.

[kathyn2]

This horrible quotation:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Does anyone think that tiis is a message to Cindy from Casey? You may all have discussed this in the past but I haven't seen it. It seems so appropos as to what is going on now. Its like saying to cindy you had all the power and the consequence is your most loved person is now gone. Not only gone, but dead. Everyone lies (casey) everyone dies (caylee). A threat too. What can be given can be taken away. I swear this was a message to grandma from casey. the little witch with a B.

[burningsky22]

Here is Casey's myspace page Casey's will be deleted tomorrow
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=10472558

Here is Lee's MySpace Page. Lee's will no longer be updated
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=77598266

They will still be up, just no longer updated/monitored

[Pixie_Dust]

Is casey my space page private? If not could some one post it i havent seen it

[whiteangora]

Geraldo doing a Caylee show - FOX

[ketel0ne]

Hopefully someone can answer this for me... Has there ever been any indication of why Casey left her parents house in the first place? Could it have been because something happened to Caylee at the house on the 16th and she didn't want them to find out. For some reason I have the impression that she just up and left, it may have come from what Cindy had written on her myspace. I will admit I am not able to keep up with WS like you guys, I can only read when my son is sleeping.

Thats my theory.

[SuziQ]

Hopefully someone can answer this for me... Has there ever been any indication of why Casey left her parents house in the first place? Could it have been because something happened to Caylee at the house on the 16th and she didn't want them to find out. For some reason I have the impression that she just up and left, it may have come from what Cindy had written on her myspace. I will admit I am not able to keep up with WS like you guys, I can only read when my son is sleeping.

Cindy did post that Casey left with Caylee without warning on her Myspace. IMO, I also feel Casey left because she was fleeing her crime.

[feddup]

Bringing this over from the other thread -



That is definitely the "tough love" approach" and I have to agree with you totally. I honestly believe whith every breath I breath, that this approach, and this approach alone will work. Casey is used to manipulating her Mom and Dad. She's gotten away with it for 20+ YEARS.
As much as it hurts, Geroge and Cyndi BOTH need to let go if they really want the truth. Dear daughter is playing games with them right now and the games need to stop. This is serious business now, not just the day to day, no one hurt, no harm, no foul type of stuff going on here.

Wake up George and Cyndi - If you really want to find out about your dearest grand daughter, stop with the codes and games. Turn the investigaton over to the police and refuse anymore interviews with the press. The general population does not trust any of you anymore. Hire a PR person to voice any of your concerns.

I will also add that this post, by any way shape or form, means that I think George or Cyndi have anything to do with the disappearance of Caley. It is totally the opposite. I firmly believe they had nothing to do with this. The responsible party is Casey. I feel badly for George and Cyndi as they want to find their Caylee but at the same time want to save Casey from what they believe is harm. Casey has caused her parents so much grief I can not even imagine. C

Casey, quit playing your games with Mom and Dad ... they are on to you. You are destroying them. You are also destroying your brother Lee. You did what you did. Why do you have to drag your entire family down with you??



JMO

This is pretty much what might work. Casey enjoys the attention. If she sits in jail with no visitors, no collect calls home, she might realize her parents arent playing her game anymore.
This is SERIOUS stuff Casey. Time to talk and I dont think Grandparents had anything to do with it either but they are enablers and dont seem to see thru Casey. They should concentrate on finding Caylee. Casey isnt gonna talk. They ve given her chance after chance to talk.

[Firesweep]

Casey spent a lot of times in clubs... the gang theory could go right alongside of that.

It is known that Florida has a wildfire of gangs... a lot of them are involved in child exploitation and pornography as well as car jacking, etc. I think this is something we need to look further into.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2008/01/statewide-grand.html

[Patty G]

Although when I clicked it on before, it did say it was being deleted. It is very possible they just changed it because I never post something I can't back up!

Casey has too much on her page that she would have to approve it being removed.

[close_enough]

Hopefully someone can answer this for me... Has there ever been any indication of why Casey left her parents house in the first place? Could it have been because something happened to Caylee at the house on the 16th and she didn't want them to find out. For some reason I have the impression that she just up and left, it may have come from what Cindy had written on her myspace. I will admit I am not able to keep up with WS like you guys, I can only read when my son is sleeping.

like absolut, this is my theory also.....

[lostnfound85]

The same kind of mother who would kill her child and not look back.

According to the neighbor, Holly, Casey was a good mother. Wonder what's going on here.

[Starr58]

Is casey my space page private? If not could some one post it i havent seen it

They are listed in the Myspace thread, I believe

[SuziQ]

Geraldo doing a Caylee show - FOX

Updates please!

BTW, I appreciate everyone's cableshow updates. :blowkiss:

[LinetteH]

last login today mood= SCARED

It now says distraught...

[kathyn2]

The only problem with that is that Cindy posted on her myspace that casey took her away much earlier than that. I think posted on July 7th if I am not mistaken.


Thats my theory.

[moxiecrimefighter]

I am about to go to bed - but I would love nothing more than to smack the **** out of Casey. It just makes me sick to see the attention and the benefit of the doubt that she's getting. Her parents are delusional.



This is pretty much what might work. Casey enjoys the attention. If she sits in jail with no visitors, no collect calls home, she might realize her parents arent playing her game anymore.
This is SERIOUS stuff Casey. Time to talk and I dont think Grandparents had anything to do with it either but they are enablers and dont seem to see thru Casey. They should concentrate on finding Caylee. Casey isnt gonna talk. They ve given her chance after chance to talk.

[LI_Mom]

Yes, it does open the door now for speculation. But if we didn't have access to those sites initially, including the photo sites (which are next, if Ben Fawley's case with Taylor Behl is any indication), we'd be a lot more in the dark and getting our info from LE. There'd be a way clearer line between the family's goal of finding Caylee, and LE's investigation rather than 3 investigations going on: The Anthony's personal one, LE, AND the public.

I understand.

But you're arguing about how public access helps the public glean info & I was, looking at it from LE's point of view....

It doesn't affect LE in any way... they can get access to anything on the internet.... even if a person deleted their info.

All I'm saying is that there is NO benefit to the Anthony family to delete the account..... it's a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE move on their part.

[curiositycat]

Craig, Geraldo's brother, just confronted Tony.

[QuickAttack]

All I'm saying is that there is NO benefit to the Anthony family to delete the account..... it's a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE move on their part.


I agree. The number-one complaint everyone has with this family is that they are not being forthcoming and are hiding info.

From a PR standpoint, deleting myspace accounts only perpetuates that criticism.

[burningsky22]

Updates please!

BTW, I appreciate everyone's cableshow updates. :blowkiss:

They are whining that Tony won't talk to them. Questioning that he is cooperating with LE.


Going over Jesus and the paternity theory.

[jep0216]

On Geraldo, not sure who he is but someone (A report from FoxNews I think) just reported that he tracked down Jesus' family and spoke to his mother who says he is not the father of Caylee.

[cindilou]

Craig, Geraldo's brother, just confronted Tony.

confronted?? more like harassed.. i'm surprised he didn't follow the kid into the bathroom!

[whiteangora]

Updates please!

BTW, I appreciate everyone's cableshow updates. :blowkiss:

Craig Riveria found TonE, followed him to a restaurant, No comment from TonE. Asked if he picked up Casey from Amscot, NO comment. Went inside restaurant with him...still no comment.

[ketel0ne]

The only problem with that is that Cindy posted on her myspace that casey took her away much earlier than that. I think posted on July 7th if I am not mistaken.

Is there a date or number of days in cindy's post?

[burningsky22]

confronted?? more like harassed.. i'm surprised he didn't follow the kid into the bathroom!


Right AMEN! Reporters are a pain in the arse.

[ebrich]

confronted?? more like harassed.. i'm surprised he didn't follow the kid into the bathroom!
tony also posted that he feels stalked and is removing his myspace

[kathyn2]

This horrible quotation:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Does anyone think that tiis is a message to Cindy from Casey? You may all have discussed this in the past but I haven't seen it. It seems so appropos as to what is going on now. Its like saying to cindy you had all the power and the consequence is your most loved person is now gone. Not only gone, but dead. Everyone lies (casey) everyone dies (caylee). A threat too. What can be given can be taken away. I swear this was a message to grandma from casey. the little witch with a B.

[burningsky22]

tony also posted that he feels stalked and is removing his myspace


I can't blame him.

[moxiecrimefighter]

All of us bright and intelligent folks are spending time on a LIAR! I just am so upset and frustrated. I'm sure you all can agree.

Something stinks in Denmark and it's CASEY!!!!!

I am upset that our tax dollars are being wasted here. Waterboard her!!!!!!

[kathyn2]

No, and now the darn post is gone! But this other site said it was posted July 4th so I guess maybe it could fit in if Cindy had been trying hard to find the child for a week or 2 and couldn't see her.

Thats my theory.

Is there a date or number of days in cindy's post?

[whiteangora]

Geraldo will be moving on to other stories...that was short!

[close_enough]

Craig, Geraldo's brother, just confronted Tony.

yeah, did you see how he downright harrassed this guy Tony????.....that was uncalled for, IMO......this guy is cooperating with LE...the last time he saw Caylee was at the pool where he lives, the 1st part of June (i believe the 2nd?)......Craig tried to make it sound like Tony was 'hiding' something...ooooooh, ooooooh:rolleyes:

[MomOfECS]

Thats my theory.


I really think the whole thing may be pretty simple..I think she was going to bury her in the backyard and for some reason changed her mind.. Then once she finally did whatever it is she did with that precious baby, she just went wild. I think for some reason she is afraid to admit what happened so she came up with this whole lame story. I think the whole partying thing was so she wouldn't have to face what had happened. I read somewhere that she was an over achiever in middle school and I just wonder if she was a perfectionist to the point of not being able to admit when she has made a mistake. Even when it was an accident.

The ony reason I wonder this is because on the 15th of July my 2 yr old son climbed my kitchen cabinet and got into a prescription of bp meds and had to go to the hospital and have the charcoal cocktail, it turned out that he never actually ingested any but it could have turned out so different if he had. I felt like the worst parent on the earth when all of the Dr's were questioning me on how it happened.

Maybe Cindy or George always expected her to be perfect with no room for mistakes and that is the reason for this whole fiasco? I am really just thinking outloud.

[close_enough]

I can't blame him.

i don't blame him either!

[ketel0ne]

No, and now the darn post is gone! But this other site said it was posted July 4th so I guess maybe it could fit in if Cindy had been trying hard to find the child for a week or 2 and couldn't see her.

Thats what I was thinking, she never says how long in that post, just that Caylee was gone or missing taken by Casey without using Casey's name.

[curiositycat]

confronted?? more like harassed.. i'm surprised he didn't follow the kid into the bathroom!
Perhaps he should have. He has to know more than he's telling.

[cindilou]

Geraldo will be moving on to other stories...that was short!

better than NG stretching 5 mins of news into an hour.. same audio over and over.. same exact comments over and over!

[Blink34]

Cindy did post that Casey left with Caylee without warning on her Myspace. IMO, I also feel Casey left because she was fleeing her crime.

Suz- you think Caylee was dead on 6/16?

[close_enough]

Kimberly said she thinks the forensic testing will wrap everything up, this week.....

[ketel0ne]

yeah, did you see how he downright harrassed this guy Tony????.....that was uncalled for, IMO......this guy is cooperating with LE...the last time he saw Caylee was at the pool where he lives, the 1st part of June (i believe the 2nd?)......Craig tried to make it sound like Tony was 'hiding' something...ooooooh, ooooooh:rolleyes:

His buddy the DJ says they saw Caylee on the 13th.

[SuziQ]

The only problem with that is that Cindy posted on her myspace that casey took her away much earlier than that. I think posted on July 7th if I am not mistaken.

And Cindy had not seen Caylee since and by the beginning of July her frustrations came out in that post.

[burningsky22]

Perhaps he should have. He has to know more than he's telling.


We don't know what he has told LE.

[SuziQ]

Suz- you think Caylee was dead on 6/16?
Or even late of the night of the 15th. Cindy only heard them through the door. And we know how that went with Jesse.

[cindilou]

Perhaps he should have. He has to know more than he's telling.

LE says he is cooperating fully, which is more than we can say of any of the other players in this case! I feel bad for him..

[cindilou]

Or even late of the night of the 15th. Cindy only heard them through the door. And we know how that went with Jesse.

speaking of which.. they said on geraldo that jesse did NOT recant his story about hearing Caylee ?

[burningsky22]

LE says he is cooperating fully, which is more than we can say of any of the other players in this case! I feel bad for him..

So do I. I am sure he can't set foot outside his door w/o being harrassed.

[ChattyWoman]

Did anybody notice the sign Tony stood under at one point when Craig was questioning him? It made me think of Blink's sign pic....it read:

Feel the Love
Feel the Burn

[QuickAttack]

This horrible quotation:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Does anyone think that tiis is a message to Cindy from Casey? You may all have discussed this in the past but I haven't seen it. It seems so appropos as to what is going on now. Its like saying to cindy you had all the power and the consequence is your most loved person is now gone. Not only gone, but dead. Everyone lies (casey) everyone dies (caylee). A threat too. What can be given can be taken away. I swear this was a message to grandma from casey. the little witch with a B.

Yes. That's been my thought since this broke. EXACTLY. This is a message to Cindy, after Cindy posted this on July 3.


Thursday, July 03, 2008

Current mood: distraught

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

[burningsky22]

speaking of which.. they said on geraldo that jesse did NOT recant his story about hearing Caylee ?


I don't think he recantted. I think he is saying he thought he heard Caylee. My question with that phone call is how does he know it was Caylee and not some other random child?

[SusieClue]

All of us bright and intelligent folks are spending time on a LIAR! I just am so upset and frustrated. I'm sure you all can agree.

Something stinks in Denmark and it's CASEY!!!!!

I am upset that our tax dollars are being wasted here. Waterboard her!!!!!!

That is funny and I have to agree. My 13 year old was listening to the news with me about this on tv and said "you know, there is a solution to this." I said, "really? what's that" he replied, "it's called waterboarding."

wisdom out of the mouths of babes.

[QuickAttack]

Kimberly said she thinks the forensic testing will wrap everything up, this week.....

My guess is that Tuesday we'll see formal charges against Casey for 2nd degree murder.

[close_enough]

We don't know what he has told LE.

from the affidavit, early on, he stated he saw her the beginning of June at the pool where he lives.....other than that, he pretty much got the same "nanny story" like everyone else got......i don't think this guy has a thing to do with whatever happened to Caylee......

[ShinaLite]

Cindy did post that Casey left with Caylee without warning on her Myspace. IMO, I also feel Casey left because she was fleeing her crime.


This really makes a lot of sense to me...

My question then would be what did she do with Caylee...Did she place her in the backyard but then become nervous about this being too close
She would have seen the opprotunity to come back on the 22-24th when the gp's were away..
Place the poor baby in the trunk and drive off to find a place further away to conceal the body..???

just tossing around ideas in my head

[Amster]

Was Caylee with Casey when Tony picked her up? Or, maybe, probably, Casey lied about him, also.....

[cindilou]

I don't think he recantted. I think he is saying he thought he heard Caylee. My question with that phone call is how does he know it was Caylee and not some other random child?

earlier today there were posts here that he recanted..well at least the part about hearing Caylee. Said now that he only heard Casey tell Caylee to get off the table. That's why I was surprised that they said on Geraldo that wasn't true and he was sticking to hearing Caylee that day.

[burningsky22]

from the affidavit, early on, he stated he saw her the beginning of June at the pool where he lives.....other than that, he pretty much got the same "nanny story" like everyone else got......i don't think this guy has a thing to do with whatever happened to Caylee......

Yeah I don't think he has a clue. I wonder if he is even taking her calls.

[SeriouslySearching]

This horrible quotation:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Does anyone think that tiis is a message to Cindy from Casey? You may all have discussed this in the past but I haven't seen it. It seems so appropos as to what is going on now. Its like saying to cindy you had all the power and the consequence is your most loved person is now gone. Not only gone, but dead. Everyone lies (casey) everyone dies (caylee). A threat too. What can be given can be taken away. I swear this was a message to grandma from casey. the little witch with a B.

Actually, it is different parts of random songs and from movies. I found the song, but don't recall the title at the moment for the last part. (It is buried within the threads here.) The first part was a line from Spiderman 2. I think you are reading too much into it.

[burningsky22]

earlier today there were posts here that he recanted..well at least the part about hearing Caylee. Said now that he only heard Casey tell Caylee to get off the table. That's why I was surprised that they said on Geraldo that wasn't true and he was sticking to hearing Caylee that day.


Who knows. They twist things so much.

[SuziQ]

Below is a link to Cindy's post.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221

[jep0216]

This horrible quotation:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Does anyone think that tiis is a message to Cindy from Casey? You may all have discussed this in the past but I haven't seen it. It seems so appropos as to what is going on now. Its like saying to cindy you had all the power and the consequence is your most loved person is now gone. Not only gone, but dead. Everyone lies (casey) everyone dies (caylee). A threat too. What can be given can be taken away. I swear this was a message to grandma from casey. the little witch with a B.


I thought this was discussed early on, and I thought it was determined to be song lyrics. I could be wrong, but I know this was discussed early on.

[close_enough]

I don't think he recantted. I think he is saying he thought he heard Caylee. My question with that phone call is how does he know it was Caylee and not some other random child?

right.....the guy Craig said that when LE pushed the question to Jesse, asking him if he was 100% sure he heard Caylee, he responded he was "reasonably sure"........

[one_hooah_wife]

And Cindy had not seen Caylee since and by the beginning of July her frustrations came out in that post.


Thought the last time Cindy saw Caylee was in June ... Father's Day-ish?

[burningsky22]

right.....the guy Craig said that when LE pushed the question to Jesse, asking him if he was 100% sure he heard Caylee, he responded he was "reasonably sure"........

Thank you for that, saves me alot of searching.

[Adrienne37]

Do we have an anticipated date when all of the testing results will be in?

[SusieClue]

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?




JEALOUSY is the key word in this message. It is clear that Casey was JEALOUS about Cindy's love for and care of Caylee. Remember the jail house phone call where Casey says, all anyone is worried about is Caylee....very telling. I believe THIS was Cindy's heart and still is, but she is letting it get confused and clouded by her very twisted daughter's lies. I agree with all who have advised TOUGH LOVE. Enough of calling her "sweetheart". I wouldn't visit her, wouldn't take her calls, don't fall for her crap. she will cave eventually but you have to be tough too.

[McSev]

So do I. I am sure he can't set foot outside his door w/o being harrassed.

I believe that he's been told by LE not to talk to the press. I feel this is also the same for Amy and Jesse, both of whom were in the arrest affidavit.

The other thing that was mentioned that was interesting is the comment made by the Fox reporters in Orlando that LE sources are putting pressure on Casey's friends to find out who assisted her in Caylee's disappearance. WHAT is that about?

[burningsky22]

I believe that he's been told by LE not to talk to the press. I feel this is also the same for Amy and Jesse, both of whom were in the arrest affidavit.

The other thing that was mentioned that was interesting is the comment made by the Fox reporters in Orlando that LE sources are putting pressure on Casey's friends to find out who assisted her in Caylee's disappearance. WHAT is that about?


Hmmmmmmmmmmm curious. I didn't hear that I was chasing a 70lb puppy, lol.

[ShinaLite]

this bit coming out that Jesse admitting to police that he now can not be sure he heard Caylee...was it released today?
Is LE still questioning Jesse?
I wont read to much into that because if that statement throws off LE's theory/timeline of what is going on I am sure they would bring him back in for questioning..
I know for a while it was the one thing that threw off my own personal theory/timelime..

[close_enough]

Below is a link to Cindy's post.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221

thanks Suzi!.....i remember reading this early on, but had forgotten the exact wording.....by July 3rd, Cindy is getting more & more upset over Casey up & leaving "without warning"..........

that poor child had already been dead for 17-18 days, when Cindy posted the above:(
IMO...

[SuziQ]

This really makes a lot of sense to me...

My question then would be what did she do with Caylee...Did she place her in the backyard but then become nervous about this being too close
She would have seen the opprotunity to come back on the 22-24th when the gp's were away..
Place the poor baby in the trunk and drive off to find a place further away to conceal the body..???

just tossing around ideas in my head

I thought about this too. But then I remember the gparents have that little dog who would have been digging at the spot. And unless Casey dug deep enough, I think there would have been alot of flies and a smell. If Caylee was hidden in the backyard, I'm thinking it wasn't for very long.

[McSev]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm curious. I didn't hear that I was chasing a 70lb puppy, lol.

Chasing a puppy sounds...sporting :)

Yep, it was dialog between Craig and Geraldo.

[burningsky22]

Chasing a puppy sounds...sporting :)

Yep, it was dialog between Craig and Geraldo.

He took off with my spoon, darn theif.

[close_enough]

My guess is that Tuesday we'll see formal charges against Casey for 2nd degree murder.

yeah, it won't be long now....

[McSev]

He took off with my spoon, darn theif.

Of course he did -- it had ice cream on it, I bet.:)

[housemouse]

housemouse is heading for the little nest in the hole in the wall.


Hope tomorrow or the next day gives us some new information. We need to be patient. I do think eventually we will know enough to understand this bizarre family, and what happened to lovely little Caylee.

God, please bless her little soul. I ask in the name of Jesus. Bring justice to whoever harmed this little child.

[SuziQ]

Thought the last time Cindy saw Caylee was in June ... Father's Day-ish?

Yes, to clarify my post, I should have said Cindy hadn't seen the since they left, but I left it off after the word since. Sorry.

[close_enough]

this bit coming out that Jesse admitting to police that he now can not be sure he heard Caylee...was it released today?
Is LE still questioning Jesse?
I wont read to much into that because if that statement throws off LE's theory/timeline of what is going on I am sure they would bring him back in for questioning..
I know for a while it was the one thing that threw off my own personal theory/timelime..

IMO, it boils down to LE thinking that Jesse was mistaken about actually hearing Caylee, during the phone call....

[curiositycat]

I thought about this too. But then I remember the gparents have that little dog who would have been digging at the spot. And unless Casey dug deep enough, I think there would have been alot of flies and a smell. If Caylee was hidden in the backyard, I'm thinking it wasn't for very long.
Isn't it strange though how Casey keeps saying "she's close, she's close" According to George, if we can believe it, that's what she told him again today. It's making me wonder if Caylee is somewhere in the house, like Jon Benet Ramsey????

[RoseRed]

I am about to go to bed - but I would love nothing more than to smack the **** out of Casey. It just makes me sick to see the attention and the benefit of the doubt that she's getting. Her parents are delusional.

Is that the proper way to treat a delusional person that may have a mental illness ? Just wondering..........

[Pixie_Dust]

If any one is watching ng a family friend named holly said she doesnt believe the exact scenerio she put her in the trunk blah blah and and she siad casey loved "most of her life" ?????????????????????????????

[QuickAttack]

I thought this was discussed early on, and I thought it was determined to be song lyrics. I could be wrong, but I know this was discussed early on.

Even if it were song lyrics (and it's not...it's a combination of song lyrics and quotations from movies), something still motivated her to post it.

I think she did so to respond to her mother, who had posted the July 3 message that was publicly nasty to Casey.

[lostnfound85]

better than NG stretching 5 mins of news into an hour.. same audio over and over.. same exact comments over and over!


I agree 100 percent, this kind of stuff tunes out viewers instead of tunes them in.

[close_enough]

I believe that he's been told by LE not to talk to the press. I feel this is also the same for Amy and Jesse, both of whom were in the arrest affidavit.

The other thing that was mentioned that was interesting is the comment made by the Fox reporters in Orlando that LE sources are putting pressure on Casey's friends to find out who assisted her in Caylee's disappearance. WHAT is that about?

i missed that comment, hmmmm

[*~Aimee~*]

So anyone else notice TonE deleted his myspace account today?

[anastacia129]

I don't pay any attention the the 31 days because every thing Casey has said has been a lie. Why on earth get stuck on this 31 day thing. Doesn't make sense to think it is true and every other single statement is a lie. JMO

Casey said 31 days because that's how long it had been since Cindy had seen her. According to Cindy, Casey made excuses everyday why she wouldn't let her talk to Casey. I wonder how she explained that bs to her mom.

[lostnfound85]

My guess is that Tuesday we'll see formal charges against Casey for 2nd degree murder.

I hope so, they need to get this case moving some direction besides sideways.

[RoseRed]

I understand.

But you're arguing about how public access helps the public glean info & I was, looking at it from LE's point of view....

It doesn't affect LE in any way... they can get access to anything on the internet.... even if a person deleted their info.

All I'm saying is that there is NO benefit to the Anthony family to delete the account..... it's a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE move on their part.

Why ? Perhaps they simply do not have the time to update. Lee is the only one according to him that works on the web pages and it is possible he doesn't have time.
Perhaps they have a PI or an attorney that advised them to consolidate. There are a dozen ligitimate reasons to do so. JMO

[SuziQ]

Isn't it strange though how Casey keeps saying "she's close, she's close" According to George, if we can believe it, that's what she told him again today. It's making me wonder if Caylee is somewhere in the house, like Jon Benet Ramsey????

You never know.....

[curiositycat]

So anyone else notice TonE deleted his myspace account today?
I am surprised he left it up this long, aren't you?

[SeriouslySearching]

If Jesse recants actually hearing Caylee's voice then it goes back to Cindy being the last person physically to have Caylee with proof on July 15th at the assisted nursing center. There has been no other sighting or proof after that video was taken. No one has stepped forward from anywhere to say they saw Caylee after that point in time.

I have said this before, but someone should have seen her like: a Mcdonalds' employee, someone at the grocery store, a random person seeing them at a park playing, or even someone seeing Casey drive down the street with Caylee in the car. No one saw her, talked to her, or had contact with her after she was last known to have been with Cindy...not Casey.

[RoseRed]

All of us bright and intelligent folks are spending time on a LIAR! I just am so upset and frustrated. I'm sure you all can agree.

Something stinks in Denmark and it's CASEY!!!!!

I am upset that our tax dollars are being wasted here. Waterboard her!!!!!!
Xanax and chill ?

[SuziQ]

Below is the quote about Jesse's statement. It was confirmed by Authorities. Also the article has some good revelations in it:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

(snip)
Authorities also confirmed on Sunday that Casey Anthony's on-again, off-again boyfriend Jessie Grund admitted to law enforcement last week that, in a June 24 cell phone conversation, he did not hear Caylee in the background.

He said he only heard Casey Anthony tell her daughter to get off a table.

[*~Aimee~*]

I thought this was discussed early on, and I thought it was determined to be song lyrics. I could be wrong, but I know this was discussed early on.

Yea it was music Lyrics. It was very early on like Thread 1 or 2.

[SeriouslySearching]

Is that the proper way to treat a delusional person that may have a mental illness ? Just wondering..........She sure doesn't sound delusional to me. :rolleyes:

[Blink34]

Is that the proper way to treat a delusional person that may have a mental illness ? Just wondering..........

Under what pretense do you refer to Casey as delusional? I have not seen any evidence of that clinical definition and would like to understand how you have come to that conclusion/diagnosis?

[kathyn2]

Even if she did pull it from song lyrics they could have had meaning to her and it could still be a message to her mother. We will never know because she will never tell anyone. I find it a very odd song to cling onto and post on myspace. I think it had personal meaning to her about how she felt about things.


I thought this was discussed early on, and I thought it was determined to be song lyrics. I could be wrong, but I know this was discussed early on.

[ketel0ne]

If Jesse recants actually hearing Caylee's voice then it goes back to Cindy being the last person physically to have Caylee with proof on July 15th at the assisted nursing center. There has been no other sighting or proof after that video was taken. No one has stepped forward from anywhere to say they saw Caylee after that point in time.

I have said this before, but someone should have seen her like: a Mcdonalds' employee, someone at the grocery store, a random person seeing them at a park playing, or even someone seeing Casey drive down the street with Caylee in the car. No one saw her, talked to her, or had contact with her after she was last known to have been with Cindy...not Casey.

I would concede only Cindy, George and Casey know the last time each of them saw Caylee in that house on June 15th and 16th.

[Blink34]

She sure doesn't sound delusional to me. :rolleyes:

LOL, ss, I swear- really? at the same time?:blowkiss::blowkiss: Nice to see you

[cindilou]

Below is the quote about Jesse's statement. It was confirmed by Authorities. Also the article has some good revelations in it:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

(snip)
Authorities also confirmed on Sunday that Casey Anthony's on-again, off-again boyfriend Jessie Grund admitted to law enforcement last week that, in a June 24 cell phone conversation, he did not hear Caylee in the background.

He said he only heard Casey Anthony tell her daughter to get off a table.

Thanks! I knew I read that here... and that's why I was questioning how tonight on Geraldo they said that was not true, and that Jesse was still sticking to hearing Caylee on the phone on June 24th.

[ketel0ne]

Below is the quote about Jesse's statement. It was confirmed by Authorities. Also the article has some good revelations in it:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

(snip)
Authorities also confirmed on Sunday that Casey Anthony's on-again, off-again boyfriend Jessie Grund admitted to law enforcement last week that, in a June 24 cell phone conversation, he did not hear Caylee in the background.

He said he only heard Casey Anthony tell her daughter to get off a table.

I just think Rossi on Geraldo doesn't know this was put out today.

[Juliana]

Someone earlier said everyone just needs to leave Casey alone and this will break her. I agree. She is so used to/addicted to drama, and being the center of attention and oh my God what has Casey done how can we help Casey. If Cindy, George and Lee just cut off all communication, cease all interviews, then maybe Casey will freak out at not being the center of the universe. She may be so unnerved that she confesses, if only to draw attention back to herself and be the center of the drama again. imo

[Pixie_Dust]

not sure if you ppl are aware but on a phone conversation with lee casey said the phone rang and rang till the voice message came on and she thought her mom just didnt pick up the phone so is cindy ignoring her?

[McSev]

i missed that comment, hmmmm

Well, it's interesting Fox referred to it and we're hearing all these MySpace pages are being/have been deleted. There's some kind of questioning going on somewhere, wouldn't you think?

[curiositycat]

If Jesse recants actually hearing Caylee's voice then it goes back to Cindy being the last person physically to have Caylee with proof on July 15th at the assisted nursing center. There has been no other sighting or proof after that video was taken. No one has stepped forward from anywhere to say they saw Caylee after that point in time.

I have said this before, but someone should have seen her like: a Mcdonalds' employee, someone at the grocery store, a random person seeing them at a park playing, or even someone seeing Casey drive down the street with Caylee in the car. No one saw her, talked to her, or had contact with her after she was last known to have been with Cindy...not Casey.
I agree it's so bothersome! It's like she just disappeared into thin air!! I have nothing here but speculation but it's almost as if something happened that was very dramatic on that visit to the nursing home. I feel that there is a cover-up here by the family. I still get the chills in that one phone call when Casey says to Cindy "What do you mean you don't know what my involvement in this is?"

[RoseRed]

That is funny and I have to agree. My 13 year old was listening to the news with me about this on tv and said "you know, there is a solution to this." I said, "really? what's that" he replied, "it's called waterboarding."

wisdom out of the mouths of babes.

Violence to solve Violence.

[ketel0ne]

not sure if you ppl are aware but on a phone conversation with lee casey said the phone rang and rang till the voice message came on and she thought her mom just didnt pick up the phone so is cindy ignoring her?

It is believed they were out all day on the 31st with part of the day with LE.

[QuickAttack]

not sure if you ppl are aware but on a phone conversation with lee casey said the phone rang and rang till the voice message came on and she thought her mom just didnt pick up the phone so is cindy ignoring her?

Lee claimed that Cindy and George were gone most of the day that day. But it is telling that Casey jumped to the conclusion that her mother didn't want to talk to her.

[SuziQ]

Someone earlier said everyone just needs to leave Casey alone and this will break her. I agree. She is so used to/addicted to drama, and being the center of attention and oh my God what has Casey done how can we help Casey. If Cindy, George and Lee just cut off all communication, cease all interviews, then maybe Casey will freak out at not being the center of the universe. She may be so unnerved that she confesses, if only to draw attention back to herself and be the center of the drama again. imo

And I wouldn't tell her why. Just don't show up or take anymore of her calls. You could tell in the last phone convo between her and Lee that his attention mattered to her.

[curiositycat]

Well, it's interesting Fox referred to it and we're hearing all these MySpace pages are being/have been deleted. There's some kind of questioning going on somewhere, wouldn't you think?
I heard that also night on Geraldo. I do believe all these people are being questioned. Someone has to know something about this so called kidnapping.

[SWAG1959]

I so wish that Geraldo or his brother or someone would track down Ricardo and/or Amy - I would really like to know what they have to say - although they probably wouldn't talk either.

[QuickAttack]

Someone earlier said everyone just needs to leave Casey alone and this will break her. I agree. She is so used to/addicted to drama, and being the center of attention and oh my God what has Casey done how can we help Casey. If Cindy, George and Lee just cut off all communication, cease all interviews, then maybe Casey will freak out at not being the center of the universe. She may be so unnerved that she confesses, if only to draw attention back to herself and be the center of the drama again. imo

Remember when she told Cindy that she saw her "cameos" today? It was almost as if she were jealous of the media attention Cindy has received.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks for the article, Suzi. I found this particularly interesting: He said that he now believes the smell came from the combination of a rotting pizza and a cleaning fluid bottle being left in a hot car for 15 days. George Anthony said his daughter told him about a jailhouse letter she wrote.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

I wonder what that was used for? We know Casey didn't clean her car and it stands out against the "rotting pizza".

[*~Aimee~*]

I am surprised he left it up this long, aren't you?

Yea If I was any of them I would of deleted them imediately. I know it must be awful having everyone try and pick apart all you do.

[SWAG1959]

I agree it's so bothersome! It's like she just disappeared into thin air!! I have nothing here but speculation but it's almost as if something happened that was very dramatic on that visit to the nursing home. I feel that there is a cover-up here by the family. I still get the chills in that one phone call when Casey says to Cindy "What do you mean you don't know what my involvement in this is?"
exactly! There are neighbors - didn't ANY of them see Casey and Caylee leave or come back or maybe Cindy leave with Caylee or something. From the areial views of the neighborhood - those houses are somewhat close together.

[curiositycat]

Thanks for the article, Suzi. I found this particularly interesting: He said that he now believes the smell came from the combination of a rotting pizza and a cleaning fluid bottle being left in a hot car for 15 days. George Anthony said his daughter told him about a jailhouse letter she wrote.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

I wonder what that was used for? We know Casey didn't clean her car and it stands out against the "rotting pizza".

Hate to say this but cleaning fluid can sometimes be used to start a fire. Depends on which kind it was.

[close_enough]

I would concede only Cindy, George and Casey know the last time each of them saw Caylee in that house on June 15th and 16th.

exactly.....

[SWAG1959]

Earlier today - some on here were talking about George saying something about Arm & Hammer detergent - would that be the cleaning fluid? I haven't found or read anything with George saying Arm & Hammer.

Anyone else?

[QuickAttack]

Thanks for the article, Suzi. I found this particularly interesting: He said that he now believes the smell came from the combination of a rotting pizza and a cleaning fluid bottle being left in a hot car for 15 days. George Anthony said his daughter told him about a jailhouse letter she wrote.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

I wonder what that was used for? We know Casey didn't clean her car and it stands out against the "rotting pizza".

What I'd like to ask George is: "George, when you were a homicide detective, if someone would have told you that the stench of death was due to old pizza and cleaning fluids, would you have believed them?"

Actually, I think that the "cleaning fluid" excuse is being put forth to mask the fact that someone doused the trunk with cleaner--either Casey, trying to get rid of the smell before the car was towed, or George, trying to cover the smell and destroy evidence in the day the car was in the family's custody before police retrieved it.

[txsvicki]

Thanks for the article, Suzi. I found this particularly interesting: He said that he now believes the smell came from the combination of a rotting pizza and a cleaning fluid bottle being left in a hot car for 15 days. George Anthony said his daughter told him about a jailhouse letter she wrote.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

I wonder what that was used for? We know Casey didn't clean her car and it stands out against the "rotting pizza".

I just posted about the pizza and FIFTEEN days on the pizza thread. George may be unknowingly telling that Casey did not drive that car and had it parked somewhere since June 16th. And, cleaning fluid bottle? Why did Casey need cleaning fluid...........

[McSev]

I heard that also night on Geraldo. I do believe all these people are being questioned. Someone has to know something about this so called kidnapping.

Or...and this is just a thought I had...it's as a result of Cindy and George telling authorities *their* theory, which one would assume would involve all these new friends of Casey's they didn't know.

Pondering...

[SeriouslySearching]

Even if she did pull it from song lyrics they could have had meaning to her and it could still be a message to her mother. We will never know because she will never tell anyone. I find it a very odd song to cling onto and post on myspace. I think it had personal meaning to her about how she felt about things.Maybe she had a thing for the Spiderman 2 movie? While the words are deeper when they are written like that...since we know where they came from...it rather cancels out that they are prophetic or profound, imo. She just thought they sounded intelligent, imo. She was always playing the "role" of being someone she was not.

[curiositycat]

It was father's day. Could there have been drinking and did something or someone get out of hand???

[ketel0ne]

exactly.....

Since Casey doesn't deny leaving with Casey, and Cindy's post on 7/3 on myspace and lastly coupled with the 911 calls, I surmise Casey was the last Anthony to see Caylee dead or alive on June 16th.

[nnglas]

OK, new theory.... Is it possible that this whole thing is some huge stupid hoax? Seriously, this is so bizarre. The father was in LE but he is talking to the press talking about pizza experiments and pictures are Casey partying while pregnant. I mean really you guys, all the messed up dates of the last time she was seen.

I just don't know anymore. None of this makes sense to me.

[SuziQ]

Thanks for the article, Suzi. I found this particularly interesting: He said that he now believes the smell came from the combination of a rotting pizza and a cleaning fluid bottle being left in a hot car for 15 days. George Anthony said his daughter told him about a jailhouse letter she wrote.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

I wonder what that was used for? We know Casey didn't clean her car and it stands out against the "rotting pizza".

IMO, Gpa threw the bottle into his statement as a roundabout explanation as to why the stain in the trunk picked up under blacklight. Alot have phosphates in them and phosphates is what glows under blacklight.

[close_enough]

Well, it's interesting Fox referred to it and we're hearing all these MySpace pages are being/have been deleted. There's some kind of questioning going on somewhere, wouldn't you think?

it's sure possible, hmmmm........i've never thought about Casey having any help with disposing of Caylee's body, but i guess it's possible....

[Pixie_Dust]

when this is over ppl will see casey is guilty of the death of her daughter, and the gp which wont be charged but are guilty of covering up for casey. when u listen to her talk (casey) there is no distraut in concern tears in her voice whats so ever, what does that say about the mother

[SeriouslySearching]

What I'd like to ask George is: "George, when you were a homicide detective, if someone would have told you that the stench of death was due to old pizza and cleaning fluids, would you have believed them?"

Actually, I think that the "cleaning fluid" excuse is being put forth to mask the fact that someone doused the trunk with cleaner--either Casey, trying to get rid of the smell before the car was towed, or George, trying to cover the smell and destroy evidence in the day the car was in the family's custody before police retrieved it.Bingo! I also thought maybe to cover the possible smell of the gasoline cans left in the car, too. It sounds like George still contends they were "returned" but no mention by whom.

He said he had no problem with law enforcement taking a pair of gas cans as evidence from his home on Friday.

"My gas cans were stolen," he said. "They just wanted to come in and line everything up. They're doing a thorough investigation. I said, 'You guys do what you need to do. Take the shingles off my roof to bring my granddaughter back.'"

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

[close_enough]

Since Casey doesn't deny leaving with Casey, and Cindy's post on 7/3 on myspace and lastly coupled with the 911 calls, I surmise Casey was the last Anthony to see Caylee dead or alive on June 16th.

riiiiiiiight......Casey was the last person to see Caylee alive...no doubt in my mind..

[curiositycat]

Since Casey doesn't deny leaving with Casey, and Cindy's post on 7/3 on myspace and lastly coupled with the 911 calls, I surmise Casey was the last Anthony to see Caylee dead or alive on June 16th.
Sounds totally logical to me. Although, Cindy's MYSPACE post already sounded like she knew Caylee was out of her life for good.
That's kind of overly dramatic to write just because you haven't seen your granddaughter for a while. How did Cindy know, at that point, that Caylee was out of her life for good?? The first few lines sound like some sort of euglogy to me. IMHO

[mydailyopinions]

I really hope for the sake of the WS community that closure is coming soon, after all, I am sure I am not the only one with black rings under my eyes..
I still believe with everything in me that Casey is telling one thing truthfully.."Dad she is close"
It may not be the way we want it to turn out, but its time for them to search around that home, this baby is close by somewhere.

[January.]

Does LE really think Jesse was mistaken about hearing Caylee's voice in the background during the phone call? I think with as much time as he spent with Caylee, he would know her voice.

[Blink34]

Hate to say this but cleaning fluid can sometimes be used to start a fire. Depends on which kind it was.

Am I off- is this the Arm and Hammer det he is referring to?

[burningsky22]

OK, new theory.... Is it possible that this whole thing is some huge stupid hoax? Seriously, this is so bizarre. The father was in LE but he is talking to the press talking about pizza experiments and pictures are Casey partying while pregnant. I mean really you guys, all the messed up dates of the last time she was seen.

I just don't know anymore. None of this makes sense to me.

If so they are in for alot of trouble. I thought about that but, boy o boy what kind of person makes this up? That is almost worse then what is happening.

[curiositycat]

OK, new theory.... Is it possible that this whole thing is some huge stupid hoax? Seriously, this is so bizarre. The father was in LE but he is talking to the press talking about pizza experiments and pictures are Casey partying while pregnant. I mean really you guys, all the messed up dates of the last time she was seen.

I just don't know anymore. None of this makes sense to me.

You know it's crossed my mind too!

[SeriouslySearching]

Since Casey doesn't deny leaving with Casey, and Cindy's post on 7/3 on myspace and lastly coupled with the 911 calls, I surmise Casey was the last Anthony to see Caylee dead or alive on June 16th.Since when did we hear Casey discuss her leaving with Caylee at all? She has made no reference to it at all.

[Blink34]

I really hope for the sake of the WS community that closure is coming soon, after all, I am sure I am not the only one with black rings under my eyes..
I still believe with everything in me that Casey is telling one thing truthfully.."Dad she is close"
It may not be the way we want it to turn out, but its time for them to search around that home, this baby is close by somewhere.


LOL, you are SO NOT the only one risking life and limb, and insomnia here- for whatever reason, this one really counts. Sweet Baby Girl- she needs our help

[McSev]

Bingo! I also thought maybe to cover the possible smell of the gasoline cans left in the car, too. It sounds like George still contends they were "returned" but no mention by whom.

He said he had no problem with law enforcement taking a pair of gas cans as evidence from his home on Friday.

"My gas cans were stolen," he said. "They just wanted to come in and line everything up. They're doing a thorough investigation. I said, 'You guys do what you need to do. Take the shingles off my roof to bring my granddaughter back.'"

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

I'm having a "how do you get from point a to point b" on this quote from George:

Asked about Casey’s mental state, Anthony said “My daughter is not one that takes drugs. She has compassion…

Doh! How do these statements go together to answer the question about his daughter's mental state?????

My God, what a FUBAR.

[LI_Mom]

exactly! There are neighbors - didn't ANY of them see Casey and Caylee leave or come back or maybe Cindy leave with Caylee or something. From the areial views of the neighborhood - those houses are somewhat close together.

Maybe the neighbors were very used to seeing Casey running around WITHOUT Caylee?

I tend to think GM & GP did a whole lot of babysitting while Casey was out enjoying life.

That last month was really the only time Casey had to deal w/ Caylee 24/7 probably.

[curiositycat]

Am I off- is this the Arm and Hammer det he is referring to?
I don't think so??? He talked about that being a container with Pizza in it.

[burningsky22]

Bingo! I also thought maybe to cover the possible smell of the gasoline cans left in the car, too. It sounds like George still contends they were "returned" but no mention by whom.

He said he had no problem with law enforcement taking a pair of gas cans as evidence from his home on Friday.

"My gas cans were stolen," he said. "They just wanted to come in and line everything up. They're doing a thorough investigation. I said, 'You guys do what you need to do. Take the shingles off my roof to bring my granddaughter back.'"

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

Ok, this is getting to be one full smelly trunk.

[SWAG1959]

I don't think Casey is the brightest bulb in the lamp - not by a long shot. With that said - she knows Caylee is missing. She knows it would be "the right thing to do" to show "some type" of emotion. Susan Smith was cryin' all over the media. Her "oh okay" attitude is so far off base. Even if she is psychotic or sociopathic - she is a liar - we know that - she should know that she needs to "put on the right face" and she is not doing that. That just throws me. I kinda think that maybe she just "blacked out" the whole thing.

Oh I don't know anymore

[ketel0ne]

Sounds totally logical to me. Although, Cindy's MYSPACE post already sounded like she knew Caylee was out of her life for good.
That's kind of overly dramatic to write just because you haven't seen your granddaughter for a while. How did Cindy know, at that point, that Caylee was out of her life for good?? The first few lines sound like some sort of euglogy to me. IMHO

For the first 2.75 years of Caylee's life she was at Cindy's house almost exclusively until June15th. Not seeing her for 2 weeks and getting bad info from Casey may have led her down a bad path in head. Apparently Casey's lies July 15th and on have brought her back from that bad place.

[drip~drop]

Isn't it strange though how Casey keeps saying "she's close, she's close" According to George, if we can believe it, that's what she told him again today. It's making me wonder if Caylee is somewhere in the house, like Jon Benet Ramsey????


You just made me think of something!
I wonder if the Anthony house has a hidden crawl space??

[SeriouslySearching]

Sounds totally logical to me. Although, Cindy's MYSPACE post already sounded like she knew Caylee was out of her life for good.
That's kind of overly dramatic to write just because you haven't seen your granddaughter for a while. How did Cindy know, at that point, that Caylee was out of her life for good?? The first few lines sound like some sort of euglogy to me. IMHOI totally agree. It is how it struck me the first time I ever read it. It is interesting that Lee conveniently left it after he carefully took off every other post for that time frame from everyone, too. Did she go back and write it later as an edit to a previous post?

[LI_Mom]

I'm having a "how do you get from point a to point b" on this quote from George:

Asked about Casey’s mental state, Anthony said “My daughter is not one that takes drugs. She has compassion…

Doh! How do these statements go together to answer the question about his daughter's mental state?????

My God, what a FUBAR.

I think he's reacting to people speculating that Casey drank & maybe used drugs.... and that's why she's so disconnected to her daughter's disappearance & doesn't seem like she cared/cares.


These short soundbites are really killing the elder Anthonys.... Lee is much better at this than they are.

[SWAG1959]

If so they are in for alot of trouble. I thought about that but, boy o boy what kind of person makes this up? That is almost worse then what is happening.
and - here's the million dollar question - WHERE IS CAYLEE - where have they got her hiding?

[nnglas]

I'm seriously thinking about the hoax angle. Stranger things have happened. I mean seriously, what would they really be in trouble for? Filing a false police report? I have never seen anybody do life in prison for that. IE runaway bride. Also, they keep asking for these untraceable gift cards. Think about it the money they are asking for goes to a bank or trust, but if I am not mistaken they are asking for the gift cards to come directly to their house.

[ketel0ne]

Maybe the neighbors were very used to seeing Casey running around WITHOUT Caylee?

I tend to think GM & GP did a whole lot of babysitting while Casey was out enjoying life.

That last month was really the only time Casey had to deal w/ Caylee 24/7 probably.

Except that last month was really only several hours. Then she was at Tony's and Fusian.

[cindilou]

Does LE really think Jesse was mistaken about hearing Caylee's voice in the background during the phone call? I think with as much time as he spent with Caylee, he would know her voice.

i think what they were questioning was whether he actually heard her voice, or if Casey just said "get off the table Caylee" so Jesse would assume she was there. Close to a month went by before he was asked about it.. so its possible he could remembered it wrong, and thought he heard her, but then after being questioned maybe he realized he just heard Casey talking to her and not Caylee herself.

[DTFulmer]

About Casey's jail call where she says "What do you mean you don't know what my involvement in this is?" I have actually believed that to be less sinister and her simply being ticked at her mom for thinking she might be "involved" with Caylee's disappearance. My two cents, but I nevre really believed those words made her mom complicit.

[curiositycat]

For the first 2.75 years of Caylee's life she was at Cindy's house almost exclusively until June15th. Not seeing her for 2 weeks and getting bad info from Casey may have led her down a bad path in head. Apparently Casey's lies July 15th and on have brought her back from that bad place.

Like everyone else here I am just not sure. She goes from being distraught and throwing out the guilt trip about "all I have done" (and to be fair it was an awful lot) to defending Casey.

[burningsky22]

and - here's the million dollar question - WHERE IS CAYLEE - where have they got her hiding?


Wish I knew. I think if they (the family) leave her alone, cutting off all contact, she will end up talking to someone. She doesn't strike me as the type to not be able to talk about it.

[ketel0ne]

You just made me think of something!
I wonder if the Anthony house has a hidden crawl space??

If that hasn't been checked then the Anthony's, LE and the media are all idiots in Orlando.

[ElizaAvalon]

This horrible quotation:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Does anyone think that tiis is a message to Cindy from Casey?

DEFINITELY!

"On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken"
I think there was an argument. Definitely. That's why Casey left the house on the 16th and didn't come back.

"with great power, comes great consequence"
Casey felt like her mother had too much control over her life and Cindy was now going to "pay".

"what is given can be taken away"
Caylee

"Everyone lies. Everyone dies."
I don't think she means to say that Caylee is dead, but is trying to say that just like everyone lies, everyone dies. Trivializing the lying, which most likely is what the argument was about.

And the lies continue...

[close_enough]

Does LE really think Jesse was mistaken about hearing Caylee's voice in the background during the phone call? I think with as much time as he spent with Caylee, he would know her voice.

here you go....

http://www.wesh.com/news/17081458/detail.html

[rozey]

I don't think so??? He talked about that being a container with Pizza in it.

Just a thought...if it was a 'box' of dry det. , couldn't the det have been used on the grave, if that turns out to be the case...i pray not..., to mask the smell...

[SuziQ]

Since Casey doesn't deny leaving with Casey, and Cindy's post on 7/3 on myspace and lastly coupled with the 911 calls, I surmise Casey was the last Anthony to see Caylee dead or alive on June 16th.

Refresh my memory if you can. Didn't Cindy testify or state somewhere that she tucked Caylee into bed on the night of the 15th? I assume by that statement and regarding hearing them behind closed doors the next morning, that Casey also spent the night.

[becca]

If that hasn't been checked then the Anthony's, LE and the media are all idiots in Orlando.
I'm sure that the attic has been checked. Their house is on a concrete slab... no crawl space.

[SWAG1959]

You just made me think of something!
I wonder if the Anthony house has a hidden crawl space??
Ya know - you might just have something there. I know I know - what about the smell. BUT - what about those plastic storage tubs? I remember a while back there was a poor little girl washed up on a beach in east Texas. She had been "folded" into one of those, and, maybe if you used enough of those "vacuum" like storage bags - the kind that suck all the air out and really worked at sealing it off. OH my - I don't want to go any futher.

[McSev]

I think he's reacting to people speculating that Casey drank & maybe used drugs.... and that's why she's so disconnected to her daughter's disappearance & doesn't seem like she cared/cares.


These short soundbites are really killing the elder Anthonys.... Lee is much better at this than they are.

Maybe...however if that was really his answer to the question of his daughter's mental state (and unfortunately, I do believe it was exactly what he responded with to that particular question), he's the same dude who said in the bond hearing that much of what the family said is being "taken out of context."

I am so trying to understand how those sentences and that response relates, and how I, as the person reading or hearing them, is supposed to perceive what context I'm really supposed to garner from it.

[SeriouslySearching]

You just made me think of something!
I wonder if the Anthony house has a hidden crawl space??If they do...how will they explain the pizza in it?! :eek: