Jose Baez

[Sammiejam]

J Baez did everything he needed to do in the hearing today and he did a great job, as the results show. He obviously can't let any evidence get consumed by testing before charges are even brought and they get to the discovery phase. All the points were well argued and were good points. She's lucky to have such a good lawyer.


Respectfully Seagull, did you actually watch JB in action? "Very good job" are not words I would use to describe what he did in that courtroom yesterday.

I will be very suprised if he is not off the case sometime very soon. He did not use any actual LEGAL arguments or precident cases!!!

The only reason that he got any of those motions grant was because the Judge was trying to be very generous in order to avoid problems later. Also, the motions that were granted were virtually redundant anyway because, as stated by Judge Strickland, the defence already had access to the information they were requesting via public record and deposing the investigators! So he was only granted things that he already had! (ETA- except for air samples etc which he is going to have after tuesday as part of normal discovery of the homicide charges which are about to come down. Plus, he is ruling on the travel etc on monday. GJ is tuesday. You dont think that decision was an accident do you?)

Seriously, what he did yesterday in that courtroom was a joke. I actually felt sorry for him. Well.. not quite.

[RR0004]

My, uh, take on, uh, Jose, is uh, uh, uh, well, uh he is a uh human.
Can you imagine how long this trial will take if he IS the lead attorney?!! Gosh, could he take any longer getting to the point?!!

[darlin gal]

Originally Posted by seagull65 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2802604#post2802604)
J Baez did everything he needed to do in the hearing today and he did a great job, as the results show. He obviously can't let any evidence get consumed by testing before charges are even brought and they get to the discovery phase. All the points were well argued and were good points. She's lucky to have such a good lawyer.


I wouldn't use the word good. I would use the word goof. (jmo)

The judge granted the motions and gave the prosecution 10 days to comply knowing that by then she will already be in jail with the indictment from the Grand Jury.

Once charged, they have to turn everything over to her lawyer anyways.

So the judge didn't give him anything he wouldn't have got, had he not even filed the motions.

[FightTheOstrich]

I watched the entire, unfortunate incident. He sounded like he suffers from a closed head injury. That's not said to insult anyone truly dealing with that ailment. He just can't keep his thoughts, wants and desires meshed correctly in his pea-sized brain.

[missmybaby]

I will have to respectfully disagree. You were able to see his distaste, just as lots of, I'm sure did. There was little to no control. Control would not have given any indication of emotion. In other words, JB just doesn't have a "poker face". jmho

I'd love to play poker with the man since I picked up on the blink thing very early on.

He can have a temper when he hears people bad mouthing his client, that's his job.

I wish I could stand in front of people, listen to something I don't want to
hear and respond with out losing the smile from my face. I don't think I can.

Then again, I can win at cards. I guess we can't have everything!:)

[OneLostGrl]

I watched the entire, unfortunate incident. He sounded like he suffers from a closed head injury. That's not said to insult anyone truly dealing with that ailment. He just can't keep his thoughts, wants and desires meshed correctly in his pea-sized brain.

LOL I love your description

[Princess Rose]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that Baez was hired to represent Casey on the child endangerment and financial charges. If she is indicted for murder or manslaughter, it is likely that a defense attorney who has expertise in handling this type of case will be hired, particularily if this is Murder 1. Until an indictment, there is no reason to have an expensive defense attorney for murder on the case.

[whiteangora]

http://www.bloggernews.net/118118

That is the banner title on Mr. Baez’s web site! In the light of his involvement in the missing Florida child Caylee Anthony case and his defense of likely tot killer Casey Anthony this in my mind is a stretch of my imagination. Justice in this case will begin when the jury returns a guilty verdict.
I like the internet, I don’t know how we survived before it became popular. It is without doubt a great source for information. As indeed is Jose Baez’s web site www.baezlawfirm.com (http://www.baezlawfirm.com/). I personally found some real ‘gallows’ humor in the fact that on his home page he has a link under the title Success Stories, High Profile Murder Case, that goes nowhere! I guess he is just planning for the future?
Read more at link above

[Gummishoe]

"Laughing J Baez avoids answering questions after hearing."




http://i36.tinypic.com/m8d3sx.jpg

[suspicious mind]

"Laughing J Baez avoids answering questions after hearing."


Hmm, what's funny I wonder?

[Macushla]

Now that the indictment has been handed down and it looks, at this point, to be headed to trial, I have a question for any WS'ers who know about lawyers, trials, etc.

From what I understand, JB probably does not know, nor would he want to know exactly what Casey did. At what point, if any, would he try to talk to her about pleading guilty to a lesser charge or perhaps try for a plea bargain? He knows, from the discovery process, that everything she has told LE is a lie, and they have proved that. He has to know, just from reading the documents that her stories just don't make sense. While JB is not as seasoned as say, Nejame, he has tried cases before, and I can't imagine he does not see how weak her case is.

Does anyone think he HAS been trying, in her best interests, to get her to cooperate, come clean, tell the truth, etc. and she has refused. If this is the case, he has no choice but to go forward. I guess what I am trying to get at is that does there come a point, for a defense attorney, when they throw up their hands trying to get their client to face reality, and just do the best they can with what they are given?

[GirlinCentralFL]

Now that the indictment has been handed down and it looks, at this point, to be headed to trial, I have a question for any WS'ers who know about lawyers, trials, etc.

From what I understand, JB probably does not know, nor would he want to know exactly what Casey did. At what point, if any, would he try to talk to her about pleading guilty to a lesser charge or perhaps try for a plea bargain? He knows, from the discovery process, that everything she has told LE is a lie, and they have proved that. He has to know, just from reading the documents that her stories just don't make sense. While JB is not as seasoned as say, Nejame, he has tried cases before, and I can't imagine he does not see how weak her case is.

Does anyone think he HAS been trying, in her best interests, to get her to cooperate, come clean, tell the truth, etc. and she has refused. If this is the case, he has no choice but to go forward. I guess what I am trying to get at is that does there come a point, for a defense attorney, when they throw up their hands trying to get their client to face reality, and just do the best they can with what they are given?

No I don't think he has been trying to pry her to talk and tell. He is playing into her games. I think reality set in yesterday when she was finally indicted and it showed on KC this morning at the appearance. JB is not doing anything in her favor. Everytime he talks he makes it worse for her and what happened yesterday with the switched cars is one example. He didn't play by the LE's rule when it came time to arrest her. LE said there was no deal for the bail bondsman to hand KC in so that was one lie JB told the media. The undercovers were very lucky to be following her becuase god knows what would have happened if they hadn't. He is also not professional in my eyes he constantly smirks and laughs when reporters are asking questions.

I thank god JB is not qualified to represent her in the murder trial becuase if he was she will lose miserably. Now KC has to pay for a good defense lawyer because no lawyer will take this for a percentage or probono.

[Terilee]

I bet Baez is relieved to have his office back today!!!

[TexasLil]

I bet Baez is relieved to have his office back today!!!

Sucks for him though... no more brownies :-(

[Brini]

I don't think he's court appointed.

I believe Casey chose him.

He's probably representing Casey pro bono, for the massive publicity this case is getting.

Though the publicity he's getting is not flattering.

[BonKai]

From: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/15/casey_anthony_to_appear_in_court.html


"Black said right now the case has not been declared a capital murder trial, and said Baez has been preparing for this possible scenario, and has a team of attorneys, including one that can handle a capital murder case."

As discussed on NG last night: Why didn't JB ask for a speedy trial?

[tbbaot]

Look for JB to step back in his role as lead attorney. He is not qualified to remain 1st chair on this case. This case has received enough media coverage that a first rate media pimp/attorney will be taking this case soon.

There will be no speedy trial because the evidence is too strong which is why the GJ was able to arrive at a indictment in just 30 minutes.
The legal team will need to go through the evidence and try to pick it apart item by item.

This will give LE time to find Caylee's body before trial.

I hate to say this but I am sick of George and Cindy going on TV and making their stupid claims that Caylee is still alive. Though even after the funeral they will still deny that Casey killed her own daughter.

[GirlinCentralFL]

From: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/15/casey_anthony_to_appear_in_court.html


"Black said right now the case has not been declared a capital murder trial, and said Baez has been preparing for this possible scenario, and has a team of attorneys, including one that can handle a capital murder case."

As discussed on NG last night: Why didn't JB ask for a speedy trial?

It was said on NG that he might be stalling on the speedy trial to make a deal with the state/LE or he is not at all ready hence the stalling. I wonder who is going to pay for this team of attorneys. As it was said on NG many times a murder trial does not come cheap. Also don't forget Black's famous slip up yesterday that says he believes Caylee is dead. I wonder what Baez thinks of that. See below for interview.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17726839/index.html

[drumstick]

Now that the indictment has been handed down and it looks, at this point, to be headed to trial, I have a question for any WS'ers who know about lawyers, trials, etc.

From what I understand, JB probably does not know, nor would he want to know exactly what Casey did. At what point, if any, would he try to talk to her about pleading guilty to a lesser charge or perhaps try for a plea bargain? He knows, from the discovery process, that everything she has told LE is a lie, and they have proved that. He has to know, just from reading the documents that her stories just don't make sense. While JB is not as seasoned as say, Nejame, he has tried cases before, and I can't imagine he does not see how weak her case is.

Does anyone think he HAS been trying, in her best interests, to get her to cooperate, come clean, tell the truth, etc. and she has refused. If this is the case, he has no choice but to go forward. I guess what I am trying to get at is that does there come a point, for a defense attorney, when they throw up their hands trying to get their client to face reality, and just do the best they can with what they are given?

I've been worried about this from day one when I found out he has limited experience and I'm guessing he has NO experience with a true sociopath.

This is a troubling case.

JB can't make her face reality because she makes her own reality everyday. It's a mental defect that unless he has been trained to deal with this disorder, she'll end up turning his life upside down while he tries to make sense out of her world, her version, her lies.
Look what she's done to the people around her, close to her.
They have all been victims and her little child is gone.

I want her to have the best, most experienced representation.
For her to have every opportunity that the law allows, we must insist that her defense is sound and experienced.

Her case is important.
This should be a learning lesson to all young mothers who drug their kids to go partying, leave their kids alone to go on dates, and neglect their kids while they spend every minute on their computers and telephones.

And after all that, it should be a lesson about what happens when you lie to law enforcement when a child's life is at stake.

And to answer your question about if she is capable of understanding the consequences of her actions... I would have to say, no.
Right now she is making an imaginary hero out of JB and the truth of what she did to her daughter doesn't fit in with her new fantasy of becoming JB's partner. It's all part of the defect.

She needs new experienced representation.
I don't want her to end up with all kinds of appeals and sucking the resources of the State dry because of JB.

Let's get it right the first time and send the message home about what we have learned (as a society) from this case.


Justice for this precious little girl......

[alwaysonmymind]

A lot of these cases listed below were dismissed or they reached an agreement/plead out before trial. He has seen VERY little trial action.

On the OC court records website JB is listed as the atty. on a total of 46 cases. 2 of which are KC's. Under each case number there may be more more than one count. I looked only at the felonies and have listed the most serious offense under each case number. This does not include KC's cases. It breaks down to-

Armed Burglary- 1
Burglary- 3
Prostitution- 1 (I think this was a felony due to prior convictions.)
Petit Theft- 2
Drug poss. 10
Sexual Assualt 1
Driving w/ DL susp 2
Arson 1
Ag. Ass. w/firearm 1
Alt. DL 1
Grand Theft Auto 1
Poss Firearm 1
Trafficing C.S. 1
Fleeing Police 1

Three of these cases are/were in Judge Stricklands court. Was unable to see what the sentences were for these cases.
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/CriminalSelect.aspx?SessionID=51aba08d-4036-406d-9bfa-6f4c719288d5

I have read he also practices in Lake County. Have not had a chance to check the web-site.

[drumstick]

He really should be removed from this case.

I can't say it enough times.... :(

[Theonly1]

JoseG (2):

I heard that he is actually really good in the cases he tries and that he is extremely likeable.

T

[drumstick]

I'm sure he's a great guy.

As a Floridian I want her to have the very best representation, the most experienced with capital crimes that she can possibly have.
Not a reason for a retrial or a never ending appeals process at the expense of taxpayers is my main concern.

~

[Muzikman]

Right now she is making an imaginary hero out of JB and the truth of what she did to her daughter doesn't fit in with her new fantasy of becoming JB's partner. It's all part of the defect.


Agree with everything you said, and I think the bolded sentence is key to what is happening here - Casey the Chameleon. wants to be a lawyer now.

It has been reported that during her first stint in jail she spent time reading law books from the jail library.

[Terilee]

Now that Casey is back in jail, do you think Baez will be visiting the jail for 6 hours per day? lol

[Marsha]

I just started a new thread this morning with video of a very ANGRY Baez throwing Channel 9 out of his news conference. So he does have a temper.

[aprilraindance]

biaz will hold press conference today at 2 pm
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-101608,0,7523378.story

[What'sThatClue]

biaz will hold press conference today at 2 pm
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-101608,0,7523378.story

Thank you! I would have missed this otherwise.

[Theonly1]

I'm sure he's a great guy.

As a Floridian I want her to have the very best representation, the most experienced with capital crimes that she can possibly have.
Not a reason for a retrial or a never ending appeals process at the expense of taxpayers is my main concern.

~

I agree about wishing for her the "most experienced" representation. I think the State of Florida only wants to try these charges one time (if that) and the best way to ensure this is to have an even playing field.

I don't know if you noticed but I was saying that I heard the second Jose was good (not JB). But I note the second Jose is also a greenie for death penalty cases (I think).

T

[Just__me]

From: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/15/casey_anthony_to_appear_in_court.html


"Black said right now the case has not been declared a capital murder trial, and said Baez has been preparing for this possible scenario, and has a team of attorneys, including one that can handle a capital murder case."

As discussed on NG last night: Why didn't JB ask for a speedy trial?

I am sure Mr. Black does not understand.... The indictment is for Capital Murder.

[PattyCake]

I'm thinking Baez didn't ask for a speedy trial because he knows he is not going to be lead chair in this and has to wait for another lawyer to make that call. I don't think he'll be doing anything much longer. :rolleyes:

[rlms56]

Does anyone have a pic of Mrs Baez?

[drumstick]

biaz will hold press conference today at 2 pm
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-101608,0,7523378.story

Thank you. I hope he is stepping down as counsel or maybe by some miracle he will reveal a deal made for little Caylee's location.

wishful thinking... I know....

[Just__me]

Does anyone have a pic of Mrs Baez?

http://baezlawfirm.com/

[rlms56]

http://baezlawfirm.com/

Looking for a pic of his wife.

[whiteangora]

Looking for a pic of his wife.

I'd like to see one too. I did hear Geraldo Rivera refer to her as lovely last month when Geraldo had Mr & Mrs Baez as his guests on his Yacht in NY.

[Brini]

I'd like to see one too. I did hear Geraldo Rivera refer to her as lovely last month when Geraldo had Mr & Mrs Baez as his guests on his Yacht in NY.

Yet, he seems fascinated with KC.

[one_hooah_wife]

Yesterday a poster on the Garcia thread stated that there are no Florida statutes to keep Baez from representing Casey based on his level of experience ... that those standards only apply to appointed counsel ... not privately retained counsel.

I thought that I would post what I found on that subject here since it deals as much with Baez as Garcia. I also included some case law that I find very interesting, as it shows precedence. And what might happen if Casey seeks a waiver from this Rule of Criminal Procedure (3.112)

After digging through Fl statutes the only things I can find that refer to the 5 years experience rule are all directly related to court appointed attorneys which Baez is not. There are rules in place in most states to make sure people facing the death penalty are not inadequately defended by a state appointed attorney (which use to happen all the time).

Can't find a thing about a privately paid for attorney needing to meet this standard. Everyone has to have their first capital case somewhere along the line, the state isn't willing to foot the bill though or risk the appeal.

Well you need to read Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure (http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/CRIMRules.pdf?OpenElement)

Specifically, In re Amend. to Fla. Rules of Crim. P. – Rule 3.112 Minimum Standards for Attorneys in Capital Cases, 820 So. 2d 185, 194 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/floridastatecases/2_2002/sc90635.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEBte7IL2mxzfUMLLw3VQ7nj1EOfQ)(Fla. 2002) (amending rule 3.112 to apply to privately retained attorneys).

The same standard applies to both appointed and retained attorneys.

As evidenced by the following case ... Casey may be able to seek a waiver from the court to allow representation by an unqualified attorney ~ one that does not meet the standards of Rule 3.112 ... but in doing so she will likely lose her grounds for appeal based on ineffective counsel or ineffective assistance of counsel.

See (Nukarri k) Williams v. State of Florida (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/floridastatecases/app/app1_07_2006/04-2855.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGfeuiEJC8E-ncAhN1qS9BT6HB96A)

(snipped)

ANALYSIS
Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.112(f) establishes minimum standards for attorneys in capital cases. Under the rule, attorneys acting as lead counsel in such cases must meet the following criteria:
(1) are members of the bar admitted to practice in the jurisdiction or
admitted to practice pro hac vice; and
(2) are experienced and active trial practitioners with at least five
years of litigation experience in the field of criminal law; and
(3) have prior experience as lead counsel in no fewer than nine state
or federal jury trials of serious and complex cases which were tried
to completion, as well as prior experience as lead defense counsel or
cocounsel in at least two state or federal cases tried to completion in
which the death penalty was sought. In addition, of the nine jury trials
which were tried to completion, the attorney should have been lead
counsel in at least three cases in which the charge was murder; or
alternatively, of the nine jury trials, at least one was a murder trial and
an additional five were felony jury trials; and
(4) are familiar with the practice and procedure of the criminal courts
of the jurisdiction; and
(5) are familiar with and experienced in the utilization of expert
witnesses and evidence, including but not limited to psychiatric and
forensic evidence; and
(6) have demonstrated the necessary proficiency and commitment
which exemplify the quality of representation appropriate to capital
cases, including but not limited to the investigation and presentation
of evidence in mitigation of the death penalty; and
(7) have attended within the last two years a continuing legal 5
education program of at least twelve hours' duration devoted
specifically to the defense of capital cases. Attorneys who do not
meet the continuing legal education requirement on July 1, 2002,
shall have until March 1, 2003, in which to satisfy the continuing
legal education requirement.

[one_hooah_wife]

Looking for a pic of his wife.

Hi ... I don't have a picture ... but on the ABA website it lists his wife's name as Luz Cruz-Ortiz Baez ... don't know if that helps. I would include the link but it requires access to ABA members area.

[lawlady84]

one_hoohah_wife, you're right - Casey can waive the statutory protections and have anyone who is admitted to the bar represent her. It comes from the right to represent yourself - but they won't allow someone who isn't a defendant and isn't admitted to the bar ever argue in court.

But, there are ethical rules that JB would be tiptoeing - I doubt he would sit first chair at trial. One assumes if there is a statutory law about representation, its probably there for a good reason and the lawyer should defer.

The waivers usually are only used if the client and lawyer have some type of exceptional relationship (not the JB/KC kind), or if the history of the case is ridiculous - like say an old woman who had the same lawyer for 50 years who has defended her for years, but only recently took the bar in that state - because he'd be admitted to the bar in FL for less than 5 years, he'd technically be unqualified...but the court would probably let her waive it

[one_hooah_wife]

one_hoohah_wife, you're right - Casey can waive the statutory protections and have anyone who is admitted to the bar represent her. It comes from the right to represent yourself - but they won't allow someone who isn't a defendant and isn't admitted to the bar ever argue in court.

But, there are ethical rules that JB would be tiptoeing - I doubt he would sit first chair at trial. One assumes if there is a statutory law about representation, its probably there for a good reason and the lawyer should defer.

The waivers usually are only used if the client and lawyer have some type of exceptional relationship (not the JB/KC kind), or if the history of the case is ridiculous - like say an old woman who had the same lawyer for 50 years who has defended her for years, but only recently took the bar in that state - because he'd be admitted to the bar in FL for less than 5 years, he'd technically be unqualified...but the court would probably let her waive it

Yes or he (the lawyer in your scenario) could motion to appear pro hac vice ...

I wouldn't be surprised if the (eventual) lead attorney is someone from out of state ... As I've stated before ... I think some big shot will swoop in and rescue Casey from herself!

[SoCalSleuth]

Florida also has rules of professional conduct that govern the conduct of attorneys which are relevant to this issue.

[Brini]

Just reported on wesh 2 news that Casey has been with Baez at his office all day and that they are still there.
I'm not an attorney so I have no idea was reasonable, but considering there is no new charges and no new evidence, what could they possible be talking about for hours on end???? Does he not have other cases? :rolleyes::waitasec::waitasec:

Wondering if he will be so impressed with the Princess after he gets ALLL the forensics?

[Prayin_4_Grace]

Looking for a pic of his wife.

Hi...I dont have a link but if you dig around for the first interview that Geraldo did with JB on his boat you can see her in the background I think. I know that she was there and that Geraldo did refer to her as being lovely. Hope this helps

[Sammi99]

JB's inexperience as a trial lawyer and the power KC seems to have over him is interfering with his ability to do the best he can for his client.

[Nore]

Sucks for him though... no more brownies :-(
---------------

Lets all chip in and send Casey an EZ Bake Oven and some brownie fixins'..ROFLOL.

[Sammiejam]

Oh dear oh dear.

Did anyone see todays presser?

JB was... well lets just say he didnt disappoint.

So funny at the end when HE said to the journalists "Thank you. I have no further questions."

Ummm JB, YOU called the press conference. The journo's were there to ask YOU questions.

Sheeeesh.

[OneLostGrl]

Oh dear oh dear.

Did anyone see todays presser?

JB was... well lets just say he didnt disappoint.

So funny at the end when HE said to the journalists "Thank you. I have no further questions."

Ummm JB, YOU called the press conference. The journo's were there to ask YOU questions.

Sheeeesh.

Link?

[drumstick]

I agree about wishing for her the "most experienced" representation. I think the State of Florida only wants to try these charges one time (if that) and the best way to ensure this is to have an even playing field.

I don't know if you noticed but I was saying that I heard the second Jose was good (not JB). But I note the second Jose is also a greenie for death penalty cases (I think).

T

You're right....

The State has a pretty good track record for prosecuting child killers.

[BeanE]

Yes or he (the lawyer in your scenario) could motion to appear pro hac vice ...

I wouldn't be surprised if the (eventual) lead attorney is someone from out of state ... As I've stated before ... I think some big shot will swoop in and rescue Casey from herself!

I would agree that one of the talking heads like Geragos would do it like he did with Scott P. I can't see, for example, Scheck doing it like he did with the nanny case.

But here's where I reach a sticking point even with a Geragos - whoever does it gets Cindy as part of it, and I would bet *anything* that nobody but nobody can shut Cindy up. And shutting her up is crucial.

I think George would zip it and keep it zipped except for any very specific things the lead would rehearse him on for media contacts. Lee too. But Cindy? No way in he[[.

[Sammiejam]

Link?


I saw it on PattyG's youtube page. Am I allowed to post a link to that?

[GirlinCentralFL]

Spokesman Says Baez Has Assembled Team Of Experts To Assist

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17724344/detail.html

[Themis]

We can post on the quality of JB's representation of KC here.

[Themis]

Moved to here from another thread.


I sooo agree. I do not think Baez was consciously wheeling and dealing with a clear cut strategy in mind. I think a bit of it is flying by the seat of his pants, and seeing where he lands next. I have no idea how many cases he has handled. I don't necessarily use "number of years in practice" as an accurate gauge of experience.
One can be a lawyer for a relatively short period of time and end up doing more trials than many attys do in their whole career. But it seems that the way Baez has a tendency to short-circuit his own abilities to wheel and deal in this case...he does not have the necessary negotiating experiences and skills to accomplish much for his own cause.
He continuously burns bridges when it would be more favorable to the client to leave avenues open. I honestly believe he has negatively affected his abilities to bargain for future clients as well. jmhumbleo


Well said, Miracles! Very well said. JB should have taken the initiative and opened the negotiations early on when the prosecution and LE badly wanted something; the location of the body. That was his best time to do it and he lost it. If he had defended based on unintentional accident and KC's fear of an overly controlling mother, she may have gotten a term of years. His problem -- KC and CA wouldn't back off their ludacris position that the Nanny stole her. CA is worried about disloyalty now? Wait until she realizes her daughter could have made a plea bargain for life or better. I'm afraid CA's world is going to have an 8 point earthquake when she realizes that.

[Themis]

Moved here fromn another thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Themis
Well said, Miracles! Very well said. JB should have taken the initiative and opened the negotiations early on when the prosecution and LE badly wanted something; the location of the body. That was his best time to do it and he lost it. If he had defended based on unintentional accident and KC's fear of an overly controlling mother, she may have gotten a term of years. His problem -- KC and CA wouldn't back off their ludacris position that the Nanny stole her. CA is worried about disloyalty now? Wait until she realizes her daughter could have made a plea bargain for life or better. I'm afraid CA's world is going to have an 8 point earthquake when she realizes that.

Thanks Themis.

Do you think JB has an inkling that Cindy may very well become an enemy, or is he too deeply immersed in the case?

That earthquake is going to separate Florida from the continental US. I hope I end up with beach access.

[Themis]

Moved here from another thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MiraclesHappen
Thanks Themis.

Do you think JB has an inkling that Cindy may very well become an enemy, or is he too deeply immersed in the case?

That earthquake is going to separate Florida from the continental US. I hope I end up with beach access.

Themis: See, I think that's exactly where the problem lies. JB can't seem to see KC as his client as opposed to the A family as his client. The family is not his client! KC is his client. He acts like he's her babysitter. He comments that KC is somebody's child and she cries. He slathers after a "high profile" case, but doesn't do the things that would be done for KC's defense as an individual. If he had cast her as a perhaps neglectful very young mother who made a mistake of -- say falling asleep and didn't notice the pool ladder was up and found a dead baby, hid her etc because of the already tenuous conditions and extremely overbearing mother who had made her keep the baby, which she grew to love, then he would have been defending against the child neglect charge and a term of years. JB let this go on because he confused the roles of the A family and his client. IMHO, of course.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaia713
Geragos was in delay delay delay mode throughout. Scott had to waive his right to a speedy trial. Stanislaus County had to hire a court clerk JUST to handle all of the paper that MG threw at the court. When not filing his motions, she sat and read a book. I don't think Baez is smart enough to bury the prosecution in paperwork considering he wasn't even able to file his first motion properly and does not give any case law in any of his motions - of course, Geragos rarely gave any case law in his either.

Themis: Here, if no law is cited to support the motions; even if they are trying to advance the law, the judges are prone to refuse to hear it because it is frivolous. He could have been sanctioned for that.

[MiraclesHappen]

JB also could have done the "dance of the 7 plea bargains" because that would be one way to have accurately anticipated the evidence which he does not yet have and how damning it is for his client. He could then plot his next move, as to what would best serve his client.

It's not a foolproof method. Nothing is etched in stone when a big criminal case unfolds. But for an attorney to forego even giving it (meaningful conversation with LE and the Prosecution) a shot, baffles me.
One does not necessarily have to plan to plead in order to engage in plea bargaining.
jmhumbleo

[Macushla]

Do you think JB has an inkling that Cindy may very well become an enemy, or is he too deeply immersed in the case?

That earthquake is going to separate Florida from the continental US. I hope I end up with beach access.[/QUOTE]

Wow - that would be a battle royale, wouldn't it? If the time ever comes when what JB thinks is best for Casey contradicts what Cindy thinks is best for Casey, anybody around them had best hunker down and hope they do not get caught in the cross fire!

this brings up an interesting question, and I wonder if it should have it's own thread. If JB and Cindy disagree as to how to proceed - who is Casey going to listen to? JB can just ignore Cindy, as hard as that might be, but he has to listen to Casey. He may try to convince her to go a different way, but in the end, he has to proceed as she requests.

[Themis]

Do you think JB has an inkling that Cindy may very well become an enemy, or is he too deeply immersed in the case?

That earthquake is going to separate Florida from the continental US. I hope I end up with beach access.

Wow - that would be a battle royale, wouldn't it? If the time ever comes when what JB thinks is best for Casey contradicts what Cindy thinks is best for Casey, anybody around them had best hunker down and hope they do not get caught in the cross fire!

this brings up an interesting question, and I wonder if it should have it's own thread. If JB and Cindy disagree as to how to proceed - who is Casey going to listen to? JB can just ignore Cindy, as hard as that might be, but he has to listen to Casey. He may try to convince her to go a different way, but in the end, he has to proceed as she requests.[/QUOTE]


These posts were originally collateral to another discussion and I thought it needed a thread too, so I sent a private message to Tricia. She said we could talk about it and to put it in the Jose Baez thread already started. So, I did.

[MiraclesHappen]

Wow - that would be a battle royale, wouldn't it? If the time ever comes when what JB thinks is best for Casey contradicts what Cindy thinks is best for Casey, anybody around them had best hunker down and hope they do not get caught in the cross fire!

this brings up an interesting question, and I wonder if it should have it's own thread. If JB and Cindy disagree as to how to proceed - who is Casey going to listen to? JB can just ignore Cindy, as hard as that might be, but he has to listen to Casey. He may try to convince her to go a different way, but in the end, he has to proceed as she requests.



It's not that unusual for a criminal defendant to consult with friends or family members---what to do, what to do , what to do???
That being said, whether or not JB has the requisite abilities to control his client, his witnesses, and to control the room itself--as he needs to CONTROL the room when he cross exams--remains to be seen.
While it is run of the mill for the defendant to seek other opinions, this case holds the potential to have all sorts of traditional lines blur, with regard to who calls the shots.
jmhumbleo

[SoCalSleuth]

I'm totally confused now. JB intimates on his web site that he was a practicing lawyer with public defender's office since 1995. Not possible--he didn't pass the bar until 3 years ago.What is up with that?

[Themis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ????
Wow - that would be a battle royale, wouldn't it? If the time ever comes when what JB thinks is best for Casey contradicts what Cindy thinks is best for Casey, anybody around them had best hunker down and hope they do not get caught in the cross fire!

this brings up an interesting question, and I wonder if it should have it's own thread. If JB and Cindy disagree as to how to proceed - who is Casey going to listen to? JB can just ignore Cindy, as hard as that might be, but he has to listen to Casey. He may try to convince her to go a different way, but in the end, he has to proceed as she requests.


It's not that unusual for a criminal defendant to consult with friends or family members---what to do, what to do , what to do???
That being said, whether or not JB has the requisite abilities to control his client, his witnesses, and to control the room itself--as he needs to CONTROL the room when he cross exams--remains to be seen.
While it is run of the mill for the defendant to seek other opinions, this case holds the potential to have all sorts of traditional lines blur, with regard to who calls the shots.
jmhumbleo

The post Miracles is responding to is a good post, but I didn't write it.

[CarolineJ]

I am working on a new theory that I won't go into because, as of now, I have a whole lot of people who are intertwined in businesses in this case..but not a shred of proof. Still working on it.
I don't think that Casey was given JB's name by an inmate. I think, that she may have been involved in some illegal activity and that JB is an "on call" lawyer for some of the people she may have been involved with.
Has anyone got a picture of JB's wife? I should would love a link. I can't find one anywhere. I am curious as to what she looks like. wink wink

I think when this case first came to light I heard on television or else saw in the Sentinel that Jose Baez was known as a jailhouse lawyer. Casey got his card as she was being booked into the jail and she called him right away.

[one_hooah_wife]

I'm totally confused now. JB intimates on his web site that he was a practicing lawyer with public defender's office since 1995. Not possible--he didn't pass the bar until 3 years ago.What is up with that?

I didn't see that on his website ... but Mr. Kasen ... Jonathan, I believe, has a pretty impressive CV. His experience is closer to what you stated. I think that Baez was in real estate or some sort of property management prior to going to law school, from which he graduated in '05.

[SoCalSleuth]

I didn't see that on his website ... but Mr. Kasen ... Jonathan, I believe, has a pretty impressive CV. His experience is closer to what you stated. I think that Baez was in real estate or some sort of property management prior to going to law school, from which he graduated in '05.


That's exactly what it says under JB's profile.

[MiraclesHappen]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/index.html#


That's exactly what it says under JB's profile.

I am not seeing that info..but would love to have a look! I don't doubt that you saw what you saw.:)

:help:
No matter which link I click at the Baez website, I get one of 2 pages which have the same limited info.

Can someone check it as I don't know if it is my computer or the website that is having a problem.

Thanks in advance.:blowkiss:

[debs]

I believe that Casey is actively awaiting the time when her mother tries to insert herself into the defense strategy. She has been waiting to show her mother just how much she's not going to let Cindy run her life.

22 years of waiting.

[Muzikman]

I think when this case first came to light I heard on television or else saw in the Sentinel that Jose Baez was known as a jailhouse lawyer. Casey got his card as she was being booked into the jail and she called him right away.

I have always wondered how and why she picked a lawyer that at the time was representing a child killer, with a somewhat high-profile case (in the Latin community, anyway) nearing it's end.

[SoCalSleuth]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/index.html#




I am not seeing that info..but would love to have a look! I don't doubt that you saw what you saw.:)

:help:
No matter which link I click at the Baez website, I get one of 2 pages which have the same limited info.

Can someone check it as I don't know if it is my computer or the website that is having a problem.

Thanks in advance.:blowkiss:

Strange--i can't access the web pages either now. will keep trying and will let you know.

[MiraclesHappen]

Strange--i can't access the web pages either now. will keep trying and will let you know.

Whew, it isn't me. Thank you SoCalSleuth.:blowkiss:
Muzikman is also checking this for us and is getting the same results. I hope if the website starts working again someone will happen upon it and let us know. I don't think I have the fortitude to look at JB every 5 minutes.:crazy:

[TURBOTHINK]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/index.html#




I am not seeing that info..but would love to have a look! I don't doubt that you saw what you saw.:)

:help:
No matter which link I click at the Baez website, I get one of 2 pages which have the same limited info.

Can someone check it as I don't know if it is my computer or the website that is having a problem.

Thanks in advance.:blowkiss:

None of the links work for me either. I did not take a screen shot of his before, but this is totally changed from weeks ago.

[MiraclesHappen]

None of the links work for me either. I did not take a screen shot of his before, but this is totally changed from weeks ago.

Perhaps in reading here, JB will ultimately learn his website is broken. :rolleyes:

Thanks also, Turbo:blowkiss:

[SoCalSleuth]

The weird thing is his web site was working when I made my post--I went to it just before I posted to confirm what I read. Within the hour it wasn't working. Maybe I'm overly jaded, but I wouldn't be surprised if his profile was changed when it comes back up. It was truly misleading in my opinion.

[aeli2468]

The weird thing is his web site was working when I made my post--I went to it just before I posted to confirm what I read. Within the hour it wasn't working. Maybe I'm overly jaded, but I wouldn't be surprised if his profile was changed when it comes back up. It was truly misleading in my opinion.

it appears there is a new front page, where the links don't work at all - and then old subpages. I found this (but can't remember how I found it the first time):
http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Jose/AboutUs_Jose_English.html
(the links on this page do work)

From what I remember reading somewhere (and again, can't remember where), he did his internships with the DA's office in 95, 96; and then went to work for a private firm (not lawyer-ing). then he apparently decided to get back into law (my inference), and had to take the bar.

Also, for what it is worth, my hubby is a lawyer (non-trial stuff with the gov't), and he graduated from law school in Wisconsin. WI has something where if you graduate from law school in WI, you are automatically able to practice law in WI. And because he is with the gov't now (whose policy is if you are able to practice law in any one state, you can practice federal law), he has never taken the bar exam, and he has been a lawyer for almpst 10 years. I don't know if FL has anything similar, but that might be the another reason he took so long to take the bar (if some of my above memory is confused).

[Gaia713]

Do you think JB has an inkling that Cindy may very well become an enemy, or is he too deeply immersed in the case?

That earthquake is going to separate Florida from the continental US. I hope I end up with beach access.

Wow - that would be a battle royale, wouldn't it? If the time ever comes when what JB thinks is best for Casey contradicts what Cindy thinks is best for Casey, anybody around them had best hunker down and hope they do not get caught in the cross fire!

this brings up an interesting question, and I wonder if it should have it's own thread. If JB and Cindy disagree as to how to proceed - who is Casey going to listen to? JB can just ignore Cindy, as hard as that might be, but he has to listen to Casey. He may try to convince her to go a different way, but in the end, he has to proceed as she requests.[/quote]

I don't think JB has a clue WHAT he is dealing with in Cindy. He will anger her sooner or later (an easy thing to do) and he will suffer from her wrath. That will give her one more person to point her finger at.

[Gaia713]

I'm totally confused now. JB intimates on his web site that he was a practicing lawyer with public defender's office since 1995. Not possible--he didn't pass the bar until 3 years ago.What is up with that? He was probably just an office clerk.

[Just__me]

He was probably just an office clerk.

The Florida Bar made him remove all the information that was not true. That is why now the only thing you see is the home page and even that was redone removing a lot of info that just could not be proven.

[Just__me]

None of the links work for me either. I did not take a screen shot of his before, but this is totally changed from weeks ago.

The Florida Bar made him remove all of the information a couple of weeks ago as the information was not true. Jose had stated on his web page he joined the Miami/Dade PD in 1995 and won 34 of 36 cases he tried in his first 2 years there. The problem is/was Baez could not try any cases because he had not passed the Bar until 2005.
I suspect the time he worked at the Miami/Dade PD was an internship required to sit for the Bar.
I have also been researching Baez cases since 2005 and it appears he was a PD in Orange County until 2007. I have yet to find but 1 case he actually took to trial all of the rest were plea deals or they changed attorneys.

[Muzikman]

The Florida Bar made him remove all the information that was not true. That is why now the only thing you see is the home page and even that was redone removing a lot of info that just could not be proven.

I'll bet that HAVING to remove that stuff - at the request of the Florida Bar, no less - made him REALLY REALLY mad. heh

He sounded pretty frustrated and a bit snippy in his press conference when he talked about having the CER (?) certificates. Doesn't like people looking into his background...

If anybody is going to associate with Casey, they better be prepared for the inevitable fallout! :)

[nancy botwin]

The Florida Bar made him remove all of the information a couple of weeks ago as the information was not true. Jose had stated on his web page he joined the Miami/Dade PD in 1995 and won 34 of 36 cases he tried in his first 2 years there. The problem is/was Baez could not try any cases because he had not passed the Bar until 2005.
I suspect the time he worked at the Miami/Dade PD was an internship required to sit for the Bar.
I have also been researching Baez cases since 2005 and it appears he was a PD in Orange County until 2007. I have yet to find but 1 case he actually took to trial all of the rest were plea deals or they changed attorneys.

The misleading info (win/loss record etc.) is posted on his new bio as well:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/1020jbbio.jpg

Re: 1995 with the PD office:
A law student in good standing can be certified to represent a public agency or indigent clients before they have graduated and/or passed the bar exam. I had friends who were certified 2nd year of law school and they would do things like appear for bail hearings or other non-critical administrative proceedings. I imagine this is what Jose was doing-- or working under an actual attorney in a legal defense clinic or something. It's interesting that he's kept the win/loss record on the revamped site.


I'll bet that HAVING to remove that stuff - at the request of the Florida Bar, no less - made him REALLY REALLY mad. heh

He sounded pretty frustrated and a bit snippy in his press conference when he talked about having the CER (?) certificates. Doesn't like people looking into his background...

If anybody is going to associate with Casey, they better be prepared for the inevitable fallout! :)

That part was particularly awesome. CLE's are just a bunch of little workshops and classes lawyers have to attend to remain in good standing. Baez giving time to the CLE issue during a press conference is tantamount to making a public statement about one's flossing habits.
I always left my CLE's to the last minute, so I felt Baez's silly pain on that one. :dance:

[Just__me]

The misleading info (win/loss record etc.) is posted on his new bio as well:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/1020jbbio.jpg

Re: 1995 with the PD office:
A law student in good standing can be certified to represent a public agency or indigent clients before they have graduated and/or passed the bar exam. I had friends who were certified 2nd year of law school and they would do things like appear for bail hearings or other non-critical administrative proceedings. I imagine this is what Jose was doing-- or working under an actual attorney in a legal defense clinic or something. It's interesting that he's kept the win/loss record on the revamped site.
That part was particularly awesome. CLE's are just a bunch of little workshops and classes lawyers have to attend to remain in good standing. Baez giving time to the CLE issue during a press conference is tantamount to making a public statement about one's flossing habits.
I always left my CLE's to the last minute, so I felt Baez's silly pain on that one. :dance:



He can not go before the bench and try anything without having been admitted to the Bar. He may function as a law clerk or a paralegal in which case HE did not win anything.
Yes, continuing education is a PIA, however as we all know it is a requirement of our professions and in my opinion it is important as one can always learn something or at the very least take something positive back from it. No I do not wait until the last minute and squeeze my CME in. One would think given that Mr. Baez was only in his first 3 years he would have at least taken CLE seriously. Mr. Baez does not even know the proper use of the English language (we have all witnessed that) do you really think he knows everything he needs to know about the law?
I would also like a link to the "new revamped" web page as it has been disabled from his web page per the Bar. If it has not been I will reopen my complaint.
Mr Baez is not qualified to represent Casey and I personally do not want her to have any justifiable reason to file an appeal. I do of course realize IF she were to get the death penalty the appeal is automatic, however with competent representation it is less likely her sentence would be overturned.
I would not hire Baez to get my dog out of the dog pound. I have spent a great deal of time so far searching and have only been able to find one case Mr. Baez actually tried before the bench to completion and he lost that one.

[diz39]

Hey, I am not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I have a question for the lawyers here. If Baez has any knowledge of where the body of Caylee is, or any evidence that his client has caused her death, is he under any legal/ethical obligation to report that information?

[SoCalSleuth]

it appears there is a new front page, where the links don't work at all - and then old subpages. I found this (but can't remember how I found it the first time):
http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Jose/AboutUs_Jose_English.html
(the links on this page do work)

From what I remember reading somewhere (and again, can't remember where), he did his internships with the DA's office in 95, 96; and then went to work for a private firm (not lawyer-ing). then he apparently decided to get back into law (my inference), and had to take the bar.

Also, for what it is worth, my hubby is a lawyer (non-trial stuff with the gov't), and he graduated from law school in Wisconsin. WI has something where if you graduate from law school in WI, you are automatically able to practice law in WI. And because he is with the gov't now (whose policy is if you are able to practice law in any one state, you can practice federal law), he has never taken the bar exam, and he has been a lawyer for almpst 10 years. I don't know if FL has anything similar, but that might be the another reason he took so long to take the bar (if some of my above memory is confused).

Thanks for the links, it's appreciated. I am a lawyer who also owns a business that teaches lawyers in CA, NY and Florida so I'm pretty familiar with Florida laws re practicing law. The only way JB could have worked on cases without having passed the Florida Bar is, if after his second year of law school, he worked under the "constant" supervision of a lawyer--ie sort of like a glorified paralegal. The supervising attorney would have to have been present at all court proceedings and there is no way JB could have referred to the cases "as his". Also, once he graduated law school he would have been out of such a program since it's only for students. He claims to have two cases (while not a member of the bar) and that one was reversed on appeal. I did a Lexis search and can't come up with any such case that he was listed as the attorney of record.

[SoCalSleuth]

Hey, I am not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I have a question for the lawyers here. If Baez has any knowledge of where the body of Caylee is, or any evidence that his client has caused her death, is he under any legal/ethical obligation to report that information?

No. In fact, he could lose his license for doing so. Criminal attorneys never want to know if you did it or not because that limits how they conduct their defenses so I doubt he's even asked KC what actually occurred.

[karenz]

You know what kind of bothers me? I keep hearing Baez say that they cannot prove that Caylee is dead (which I believe is not true) but to me it almost sounds like his main goal is refute evidence and not address WHERE THE HECK THIS LITTLE GIRL IS? I realize he has no other defense, but the reason his client is public enemy #1 (according to him) is because that precious little girl is missing. KC it IS all about Caylee. Until we find that little girl, dead or alive, we WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND!

I am so frustrated with this case. How can he possibly think once KC tells her story we will understand. Facts aside, that girl has shown no emotion or at least not a .001% of what I would show. NG may be a bit over the top but I get where she is coming from. Any parent who lost a child WOULD NEVER ACT LIKE THAT. EVER.

As far as promising great evidence when the time is right, this reminds me of MG promising so much evidence at Scott Petersen's trial. And there was none! And we know where he is.

Baez to me is icing on the S**T cake this case is. I have never seen a more fitting person to defend KC. It is really poetic justice.

[Deputy Andy]

For me, JB is the most despicable of all the players in this case.

[Muzikman]

It looks like all that has happened is the links to pages with erroneous info were disabled. BaezLawFirm.com new front page works, but you cannot see his "record" unless you can get to the English page.

Maybe THAT link should be sent to the bar.

[diz39]

No. In fact, he could lose his license for doing so. Criminal attorneys never want to know if you did it or not because that limits how they conduct their defenses so I doubt he's even asked KC what actually occurred.

Thank you for answering my question. So, if he hasn't asked her what occurred, how does he start to build a defense? Or is it that his main thrust is to find out what the prosecution knows, and try to find some way to discredit that?
I do believe that everyone deserves a good defense, but, man, I could not go to sleep at night or look at myself in the mirror if I knew in my heart that someone had done something terrible and could potentially get away with it. I guess that is why I am a nurse and not a defense attorney.
Thanks again for your response:)

[MiraclesHappen]

:laugh:***(snipped)***The misleading info (win/loss record etc.) is posted on his new bio as well:
... Baez giving time to the CLE issue during a press conference is :laugh:tantamount to making a public statement about one's flossing habits.
I always left my CLE's to the last minute, so I felt Baez's silly pain on that one. :dance:

If we knew the dental hygiene of everyone involved in this case, including Baez, there would be a thread for it. :eek::rolling:

I will be the first to admit I would read it with interest, though.:blowkiss::crazy:

Why hasn't anyone scooped Baez's garbage???:rolleyes:

[MiraclesHappen]

You know what kind of bothers me? I keep hearing Baez say that they cannot prove that Caylee is dead (which I believe is not true) but to me it almost sounds like his main goal is refute evidence and not address WHERE THE HECK THIS LITTLE GIRL IS? I realize he has no other defense, but the reason his client is public enemy #1 (according to him) is because that precious little girl is missing. KC it IS all about Caylee. Until we find that little girl, dead or alive, we WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND!

I am so frustrated with this case. How can he possibly think once KC tells her story we will understand. Facts aside, that girl has shown no emotion or at least not a .001% of what I would show. NG may be a bit over the top but I get where she is coming from. Any parent who lost a child WOULD NEVER ACT LIKE THAT. EVER.

As far as promising great evidence when the time is right, this reminds me of MG promising so much evidence at Scott Petersen's trial. And there was none! And we know where he is.

Baez to me is icing on the S**T cake this case is. I have never seen a more fitting person to defend KC. It is really poetic justice.


What really really irks me about that is that he keeps LASHING OUT (in his own way) about the whole concept of trying Casey in public.....and then participates in that "public trial" which he condemns.

[SoCalSleuth]

Thank you for answering my question. So, if he hasn't asked her what occurred, how does he start to build a defense? Or is it that his main thrust is to find out what the prosecution knows, and try to find some way to discredit that?
I do believe that everyone deserves a good defense, but, man, I could not go to sleep at night or look at myself in the mirror if I knew in my heart that someone had done something terrible and could potentially get away with it. I guess that is why I am a nurse and not a defense attorney.
Thanks again for your response:)
I should have been more specific, sorry. It's not so much that they don't ask what occurred. Rather, they will not say "I need you to tell me the truth" or "tell me exactly what happened" etc. Remember, it's not a lawyer's job to determine if someone is guilty or innocent of a crime charged-that's for a judge or jury. The way they prepare their cases depends on the crime charged, the evidence gathered by LE etc. Here, in my opinion, the only viable way to defend this case is to hit hard on reasonable doubt; and the way to do this is to contend that Caylee is still alive; and the way to do that is to show (1) searches and no recovery of a body; and (2) numerous sitings that LE did not follow up on. All they need to do is to convince one juror.

[SoCalSleuth]

The misleading info (win/loss record etc.) is posted on his new bio as well:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/1020jbbio.jpg

Re: 1995 with the PD office:
A law student in good standing can be certified to represent a public agency or indigent clients before they have graduated and/or passed the bar exam. I had friends who were certified 2nd year of law school and they would do things like appear for bail hearings or other non-critical administrative proceedings. I imagine this is what Jose was doing-- or working under an actual attorney in a legal defense clinic or something. It's interesting that he's kept the win/loss record on the revamped site.



That part was particularly awesome. CLE's are just a bunch of little workshops and classes lawyers have to attend to remain in good standing. Baez giving time to the CLE issue during a press conference is tantamount to making a public statement about one's flossing habits.
I always left my CLE's to the last minute, so I felt Baez's silly pain on that one. :dance:

You slay me! I'm a CLE Provider and I can attest to the fact that 99% of attorneys leave their CLE to the last minute! Ha!

[Gaia713]

He can not go before the bench and try anything without having been admitted to the Bar. He may function as a law clerk or a paralegal in which case HE did not win anything.
Yes, continuing education is a PIA, however as we all know it is a requirement of our professions and in my opinion it is important as one can always learn something or at the very least take something positive back from it. No I do not wait until the last minute and squeeze my CME in. One would think given that Mr. Baez was only in his first 3 years he would have at least taken CLE seriously. Mr. Baez does not even know the proper use of the English language (we have all witnessed that) do you really think he knows everything he needs to know about the law?
I would also like a link to the "new revamped" web page as it has been disabled from his web page per the Bar. If it has not been I will reopen my complaint.
Mr Baez is not qualified to represent Casey and I personally do not want her to have any justifiable reason to file an appeal. I do of course realize IF she were to get the death penalty the appeal is automatic, however with competent representation it is less likely her sentence would be overturned.
I would not hire Baez to get my dog out of the dog pound. I have spent a great deal of time so far searching and have only been able to find one case Mr. Baez actually tried before the bench to completion and he lost that one.
Is that the one where he was too busy with Casey to show up for the sentencing? I believe his excuse was that he didn't want the media following him - the media isn't interested in him, they are interested in the case.

[Gaia713]

Thanks for the links, it's appreciated. I am a lawyer who also owns a business that teaches lawyers in CA, NY and Florida so I'm pretty familiar with Florida laws re practicing law. The only way JB could have worked on cases without having passed the Florida Bar is, if after his second year of law school, he worked under the "constant" supervision of a lawyer--ie sort of like a glorified paralegal. The supervising attorney would have to have been present at all court proceedings and there is no way JB could have referred to the cases "as his". Also, once he graduated law school he would have been out of such a program since it's only for students. He claims to have two cases (while not a member of the bar) and that one was reversed on appeal. I did a Lexis search and can't come up with any such case that he was listed as the attorney of record.

Yet he has his own law firm. Hmmmm. How is he paying for his rent, staff, etc.? Sounds like he's as big a fraud as his client. moo

[diz39]

I should have been more specific, sorry. It's not so much that they don't ask what occurred. Rather, they will not say "I need you to tell me the truth" or "tell me exactly what happened" etc. Remember, it's not a lawyer's job to determine if someone is guilty or innocent of a crime charged-that's for a judge or jury. The way they prepare their cases depends on the crime charged, the evidence gathered by LE etc. Here, in my opinion, the only viable way to defend this case is to hit hard on reasonable doubt; and the way to do this is to contend that Caylee is still alive; and the way to do that is to show (1) searches and no recovery of a body; and (2) numerous sitings that LE did not follow up on. All they need to do is to convince one juror.

Thank you!:)

[Gaia713]

The misleading info (win/loss record etc.) is posted on his new bio as well:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/1020jbbio.jpg

Re: 1995 with the PD office:
A law student in good standing can be certified to represent a public agency or indigent clients before they have graduated and/or passed the bar exam. I had friends who were certified 2nd year of law school and they would do things like appear for bail hearings or other non-critical administrative proceedings. I imagine this is what Jose was doing-- or working under an actual attorney in a legal defense clinic or something. It's interesting that he's kept the win/loss record on the revamped site.





That part was particularly awesome. CLE's are just a bunch of little workshops and classes lawyers have to attend to remain in good standing. Baez giving time to the CLE issue during a press conference is tantamount to making a public statement about one's flossing habits.
I always left my CLE's to the last minute, so I felt Baez's silly pain on that one. :dance:

Now he's a former criminologist too? Notice how he doesn't say where or with what agency. Someone needs to do some serious investigating on this man. There hasn't been time enough in his history to do all he claims to have done. Don't forget he dropped out of school in the 9th grade so somewhere along the line he had to have gotten a GED or he couldn't go to college. He also spent time in the navy I believe.

Criminology requires some college or JC work - or technical school. Then usually a term in law enforcement. Any serious criminology work (other than collection of evidence) usually requires a college degree.

Could the man LIE any more? jmo

[manatee]

has anyone thought of trying the background check that we advertize here to see what's up with JB?

[one_hooah_wife]

You slay me! I'm a CLE Provider and I can attest to the fact that 99% of attorneys leave their CLE to the last minute! Ha!

Yes, to the very last minute ... and often to an eager clerk!!!

[Terilee]

I think Baez is only in this for the money he is going to make off the movie

[kidz110]

has anyone thought of trying the background check that we advertize here to see what's up with JB?
I'm looking at the advertisement at the top of the screen and I see that Websluth bloggers can get a free criminal report. Maybe someone will get a background check on him.
I have found the change in his website very interesting. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[nancy botwin]

He can not go before the bench and try anything without having been admitted to the Bar. He may function as a law clerk or a paralegal in which case HE did not win anything.
Yes, continuing education is a PIA, however as we all know it is a requirement of our professions and in my opinion it is important as one can always learn something or at the very least take something positive back from it. No I do not wait until the last minute and squeeze my CME in. One would think given that Mr. Baez was only in his first 3 years he would have at least taken CLE seriously. Mr. Baez does not even know the proper use of the English language (we have all witnessed that) do you really think he knows everything he needs to know about the law?
I would also like a link to the "new revamped" web page as it has been disabled from his web page per the Bar. If it has not been I will reopen my complaint.
Mr Baez is not qualified to represent Casey and I personally do not want her to have any justifiable reason to file an appeal. I do of course realize IF she were to get the death penalty the appeal is automatic, however with competent representation it is less likely her sentence would be overturned.
I would not hire Baez to get my dog out of the dog pound. I have spent a great deal of time so far searching and have only been able to find one case Mr. Baez actually tried before the bench to completion and he lost that one.
I agree that the info is still misleading-- I was just talking thru the info in an attempt to understand how he even thought he could make such claims.
I can access the screencapped page right now:
http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Jose/AboutUs_Jose_English.html
You slay me! I'm a CLE Provider and I can attest to the fact that 99% of attorneys leave their CLE to the last minute! Ha!
It's true-- I'm not proud of my bad habits, I was just admitting it :-)
Now he's a former criminologist too? Notice how he doesn't say where or with what agency. Someone needs to do some serious investigating on this man. There hasn't been time enough in his history to do all he claims to have done. Don't forget he dropped out of school in the 9th grade so somewhere along the line he had to have gotten a GED or he couldn't go to college. He also spent time in the navy I believe.

Criminology requires some college or JC work - or technical school. Then usually a term in law enforcement. Any serious criminology work (other than collection of evidence) usually requires a college degree.

Could the man LIE any more? jmo
According to the new bio page http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Jose/AboutUs_Jose_English.html he got his Bachelors in Criminology from FSU. I agree, "Criminologist" should denote a graduate degree in the field, not an undergraduate major.

[Feistyoldbroad]

Goodness, I must be beyond tired. I thought the topic of this thread was: JOAN BAEZ..


I was all like, "Oh wow, there ARE some older posters on here!"

[Theonly1]

Are you guys and gals playing Wack-A-Mole with poor Mr. Baez now?

HAHAHAH!

[I know the compassionate poster who mentioned Wack-A-Mole said it with disgust but it was my amusement for the day! I would so love to see one of those comedic pictures of Wack-A-Mole with the pictures of the players in this saga instead of the moles.]

[nancy botwin]

Are you guys and gals playing Wack-A-Mole with poor Mr. Baez now?

HAHAHAH!

[I know the compassionate poster who mentioned Wack-A-Mole said it with disgust but it was my amusement for the day! I would so love to see one of those comedic pictures of Wack-A-Mole with the pictures of the players in this saga instead of the moles.]

ooh! I'm the poster who brought out the Whack-A-Mole visualization exercise. hahah. I loved that you found it so exciting!! I think this would be an excellent photoshopping exercise! I hope it happens!

[MiraclesHappen]

Wftv was reporting at noon that Jose Baez will begin questioning witnesses next week

Those witnesses will include the manager from Amscot, the tow yard people, and Tony L.

The daily updates had a link which has poofed.:confused:

Because the article at the wftv website said these witnesses would be on the stand,

I called wftv and spoke to the nice man who is running the internet website.

He said they would take the story down, fix it , and put it back as I did question the "taking the stand" part because that just would not be the case at this early stage.

He told me that Jose will be questioning the witnesses next week and agreed it would be most likely in a private office somewhere unknown at this time.:)

Okay I hope this clears that up. I had no clue where to put this...:blowkiss:

[Recovering-Lurker]

Wftv was reporting at noon that Jose Baez will begin questioning witnesses next week

Those witnesses will include the manager from Amscot, the tow yard people, and Tony L.

The daily updates had a link which has poofed.:confused:

Because the article at the wftv website said these witnesses would be on the stand,

I called wftv and spoke to the nice man who is running the internet website.

He said they would take the story down, fix it , and put it back as I did question the "taking the stand" part because that just would not be the case at this early stage.

He told me that Jose will be questioning the witnesses next week and agreed it would be most likely in a private office somewhere unknown at this time.:)

Okay I hope this clears that up. I had no clue where to put this...:blowkiss:

Good job. Thank you!

[MiraclesHappen]

Good job. Thank you!

You are welcome! Here is the link now with the words deleted.:)

http://www.wftv.com/news/17781526/detail.html

[bellefromFLA]

I must say, Jose Baez would be ridiculous to think that anyone would throw out the evidence it looks like he is trying to have banned from the trial. Casey texted numerous friends, kept people from the car (ie. dad and tony l.), told various stories (car being towed by family, dead squirrel etc), all in an active effort to explain the "terrible smell" in her car.

it can’t be taken away from the case when she acknowledged the smell was in the car while she was in possession of it, or that she searched a chemical compound on her "personal" computer... I mean jose, do you think anyone will believe that the "amscot" or "johnsons wrecker service" employee hacked casey's computer to search missing childrens websites three months prior to Caylees disappearance? or chloroform? what about accusing tony l who didnt even meet casey until late may?

nice try.

and for the record -- living in central fla. wftv, may have got that wrong, but i wouldnt believe any other stations reports on this case until they are confirmed by wftv. their sources have been solid from the get go.

[bellefromFLA]

I must say, Jose Baez would be ridiculous to think that anyone would throw out the evidence it looks like he is trying to have banned from the trial. Casey texted numerous friends, kept people from the car (ie. dad and tony l.), told various stories (car being towed by family, dead squirrel etc), all in an active effort to explain the "terrible smell" in her car.

it can’t be taken away from the case when she acknowledged the smell was in the car while she was in possession of it, or that she searched a chemical compound on her "personal" computer... I mean jose, do you think anyone will believe that the "amscot" or "johnsons wrecker service" employee hacked casey's computer to search missing childrens websites three months prior to Caylees disappearance? or chloroform? what about accusing tony l who didnt even meet casey until late may?

nice try.

and for the record -- living in central fla. wftv, may have got that wrong, but i wouldnt believe any other stations reports on this case until they are confirmed by wftv. their sources have been solid from the get go.


sorry -- didnt put this in. baez cant say someone planted the chemical compound in her trunk, when those searches are on her computer. all signs point to yes. a jury will have a hard time saying otherwise.

[mom4321]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a better lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they know why and want one in place so no one can question them if anything comes down against them.

[Gaia713]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a latter lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they knwo why and want one in place so no one can question them if anythign comes down against them.

My guess is because she can manipulate him.

[Janis396]

My guess is because she can manipulate him.

Because he's charging bargain basement prices for his favorite "steel magnolia".

[MiraclesHappen]

Bump.:)

[MiraclesHappen]

I have bumped up the thread where Themis got us permission to discuss Baez's abilities or lack thereof :blowkiss:

It is "Jose Baez."

[GirlinCentralFL]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

[ComputerGeek]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a latter lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they knwo why and want one in place so no one can question them if anythign comes down against them.


What is a latter lawyer?

[Recovering-Lurker]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

:eek: Ha! Ha! Ha!

[LeLe1953]

Shoot, I dont care why she keeps him, just let her keep him:) :) I am all about JB handling this case:):)

[liltigress]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

I know we aren't supposed to discuss this, but can we laugh about it?

Hahaha!

I can't wait to hear what they have to say. Please keep us posted.

[MiraclesHappen]

What is a latter lawyer?It's a "better" lawyer from someone who types latter than I do!:blowkiss:

We need to use the Baez thread for this stuff.:blowkiss:

Mod, can you merge please.:)

[manatee]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

MAN! I'VE BEEN SCREAMING THIS FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS! One of my posts on this very thing was closed. But I saw this coming a mile a way...
notice how baez stopped wearing his ring a while back. I'm sure there is trouble at home.

[Broderick]

MAN! I'VE BEEN SCREAMING THIS FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS! One of my posts on this very thing was closed. But I saw this coming a mile a way...
notice how baez stopped wearing his ring a while back. I'm sure there is trouble at home.

LMAO -
I saw that very same thing since the motions hearing, nevertheless isn't WFTV the station that he kicked out? Wise move Clown boy.

[Broderick]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

Most excellent. I have my thoughts and impressions and have had them for some time now.

Will short shorts be talked about too?

[Brini]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a better lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they know why and want one in place so no one can question them if anything comes down against them.

Because she can handle him. She won't work with a less malleable lawyer.

[ComputerGeek]

It's a "better" lawyer from someone who types latter than I do!:blowkiss:

We need to use the Baez thread for this stuff.:blowkiss:

Mod, can you merge please.:)




I saw all the typos but I still thought it was a type of lawyer :crazy:

sorry

[TURBOTHINK]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a better lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they know why and want one in place so no one can question them if anything comes down against them.

I have from the beginning questioned how she found him and HOW she is paying him. He says he is not working pro bono, and not assigned by the court as a defense attorney and the Anthonys are not paying him......SO WHO IS?

[TURBOTHINK]

My guess is because she can manipulate him.

That too........

[Baznme]

I have from the beginning questioned how she found him and HOW she is paying him. He says he is not working pro bono, and not assigned by the court as a defense attorney and the Anthonys are not paying him......SO WHO IS?


I've been under the impression since the beginning that the attorney for C & A was hired to draw money their way for KC's defense. He claimed to know influential people in the NY area.

[sharpar]

Its possible she knew a couple of his kids they also attended colonial high .

Partly she is sticking with him because he has told her what she wants to hear and
he seems to be buying the crappy story she is telling
She isnt smart enough to see that he doesnt have enough experience
to handle a case like this.
Her family actually thinks he did well with the motion hearing .

[Charge Them All]

Because neither is the brightest crayon in the box. Thats ok with me, let her keep um. They can sink each other.

[alwaysonmymind]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a better lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they know why and want one in place so no one can question them if anything comes down against them.

I think it is this
My guess is because she can manipulate him.

and this
Because he's charging bargain basement prices for his favorite "steel magnolia".

and it is very hard to get anyone else to drink the kool-aid :hypno::hypno:
P.S. Thanks Jbean for the tip on using multi-quote function:blowkiss:

[mom4321]

I have from the beginning questioned how she found him and HOW she is paying him. He says he is not working pro bono, and not assigned by the court as a defense attorney and the Anthonys are not paying him......SO WHO IS?



maybe Geraldo is paying him .Isnt he the one that arranged this ?

[JADEPRINCESS]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a better lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they know why and want one in place so no one can question them if anything comes down against them.
Casey is an aquaintance of w/Jose Baez's daughter, from her school years, thus the connection. Baez must be trying her case pro bono (free or gratis), just for the publicity & name recognition. Why do the parents need an attorney, if they are innocent of any cover-up? I never forgot how CA admitted to washing KC's slacks that reeked of death from the trunk, that is beyond tampering w/evidence!

[Janis396]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

Who, or what agency, is going to be looking into it?

[LeLe1953]

I know we aren't supposed to discuss this, but can we laugh about it?

Hahaha!

I can't wait to hear what they have to say. Please keep us posted.

Well, you would think if it's reported on tv...............:bang: Do they stream live at 11p?

[diz39]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

I was wondering if this was going to come up again. Do you remember during the televised court session where JB put forth his motions, including letting KC out of jail to visit "places of interest" and search for her daughter? I remember the county attorney mentioning several times how unusual that was, and I think asked KC's home confinement coordinator if the length of time at the attorney's office was the norm for someone on home confinement. She said no.

[CarolineJ]

I heard that on WFTV and I can't wait until 11 pm. Also, Channel 6 has been advertising all week long that they will have a special report by their investigative reporter, Tony Pippitone, at 11 pm.

Oh, and btw, I think I remember that early in this case it was reported that Casey got Jose's business card when she was in the booking office.

[whiteangora]

WFTV just said that JB and KC might be getting too close for comfort and are being looked at because the 6 hour visits just didn't jive or make sense. They have a story on it at 11PM tonight. I will post the link once I see it.

Ooooh, I am so looking forward to seeing this.
WFTV is not happy about the way JB has treated them,
I hope they keep after him.

[realist]

Why would she use someone like him when she is charged with something so HUGE !! Its odd to me. I know hes bringing in some other people to help but still. You would expect the anthonys to get casey a better lawyer than they have but it seem they have a better one than she does and I dont even know why they ned one for themselves but apparently they know why and want one in place so no one can question them if anything comes down against them.

Bottom Line: Flat broke, same with her parents. (At the time anyway).

She did not have the luxury, or the funds to retain a competent attorney and is pretty much stuck with him at this point. Defense attorneys are known for, and somewhat expected, to lay on the bulls***, but this clown is over the top.

Even KC should have had the smarts to realize he was not only out of his league, but downright stupid from the get go. His performance at her bond hearing back in July was hilarious.

He obviously has an agenda, and it ain't about seeing his client go free.

[nachomama]

Ooooh, I am so looking forward to seeing this.
WFTV is not happy about the way JB has treated them,
I hope they keep after him.

I'll bet MRS. BAEZ is looking forward to seeing this report too... I've always thought that something was going on with JB and KC..

[LeLe1953]

I'll bet MRS. BAEZ is looking forward to seeing this report too... I've always thought that something was going on with JB and KC..

:confused: Nachomama, I didn't know you knew me? Your cartoon lady is either me or my evil twin.:)

[GirlinCentralFL]

WFTV just reported that jail officials had to tell JB not to touch KC during his last 7 visits to the jail. The jail officials observed them hugging and had to go in and separate them. The jail said this is the first time they had to tell a attorney to not do this. WFTV said there is no evidence that they are having a relationship but the closness is highly unusual to the jail. It was said that JB said he didn't know the rules of the jail which is no touching whether it be touching hands or hugging becuase you can transfer illegal items that way. There is no link but will post it when it comes available.

[chesterp]

WFTV just reported that jail officials had to tell JB not to touch KC during his last 7 visits to the jail. The jail officials observed them hugging and had to go in and separate them. The jail said this is the first time they had to tell a attorney to not do this. WFTV said there is no evidence that they are having a relationship but the closness is highly unusual to the jail. It was said that JB said he didn't know the rules of the jail which is no touching whether it be touching hands or hugging becuase you can transfer illegal items that way. There is no link but will post it when it comes available.

I do not know what is funnier............this report or the cartoon above!!!

[irishbosoxfan]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

He's trying to replay it now

[TURBOTHINK]

I heard that on WFTV and I can't wait until 11 pm. Also, Channel 6 has been advertising all week long that they will have a special report by their investigative reporter, Tony Pippitone, at 11 pm.

Oh, and btw, I think I remember that early in this case it was reported that Casey got Jose's business card when she was in the booking office.

That was the story, but I didn't believe it then, and I don't believe it anymore today.

[whiteangora]

WFTV just reported that jail officials had to tell JB not to touch KC during his last 7 visits to the jail. The jail officials observed them hugging and had to go in and separate them. The jail said this is the first time they had to tell a attorney to not do this. WFTV said there is no evidence that they are having a relationship but the closness is highly unusual to the jail. It was said that JB said he didn't know the rules of the jail which is no touching whether it be touching hands or hugging becuase you can transfer illegal items that way. There is no link but will post it when it comes available.

OMG!! I can't take anymore, all in One day!
JB didn't know he wasn't supposed to be huggin' on Casey?
Maybe this has something to do with the mysterious missing
wedding band.
I need a cup of chamomile tea, Double Strength!

[Blink34]

OMG!! I can't take anymore, all in One day!
JB didn't know he wasn't supposed to be huggin' on Casey?
Maybe this has something to do with the mysterious missing
wedding band.
I need a cup of chamomile tea, Double Strength!

LOL, I recommend something a little stronger.. Too funny white!

[Blink34]

that was the story, but i didn't believe it then, and i don't believe it anymore today.

i totally agree with you.

[RR0004]

WFTV just reported that jail officials had to tell JB not to touch KC during his last 7 visits to the jail. The jail officials observed them hugging and had to go in and separate them. The jail said this is the first time they had to tell a attorney to not do this. WFTV said there is no evidence that they are having a relationship but the closness is highly unusual to the jail. It was said that JB said he didn't know the rules of the jail which is no touching whether it be touching hands or hugging becuase you can transfer illegal items that way. There is no link but will post it when it comes available.
You have got to be kidding me. Hasn't JB watched enough "Law and Order" to know better?!

[nancy botwin]

WFTV just reported that jail officials had to tell JB not to touch KC during his last 7 visits to the jail. The jail officials observed them hugging and had to go in and separate them. The jail said this is the first time they had to tell a attorney to not do this. WFTV said there is no evidence that they are having a relationship but the closness is highly unusual to the jail. It was said that JB said he didn't know the rules of the jail which is no touching whether it be touching hands or hugging becuase you can transfer illegal items that way. There is no link but will post it when it comes available.

Well that's disturbing. Thank you for relaying! yikes.

[Pondering Mind]

WFTV just reported that jail officials had to tell JB not to touch KC during his last 7 visits to the jail. The jail officials observed them hugging and had to go in and separate them. The jail said this is the first time they had to tell a attorney to not do this. WFTV said there is no evidence that they are having a relationship but the closness is highly unusual to the jail. It was said that JB said he didn't know the rules of the jail which is no touching whether it be touching hands or hugging becuase you can transfer illegal items that way. There is no link but will post it when it comes available.

Hmm, makes you wonder just what "places of interest" JB and Casey needed to explore, cuz IIRC, nothing was ever said about looking for Caylee. :waitasec: Just sayin...

[Hope for the Best]

WFTV just reported that jail officials had to tell JB not to touch KC during his last 7 visits to the jail. The jail officials observed them hugging and had to go in and separate them. The jail said this is the first time they had to tell a attorney to not do this. WFTV said there is no evidence that they are having a relationship but the closness is highly unusual to the jail. It was said that JB said he didn't know the rules of the jail which is no touching whether it be touching hands or hugging becuase you can transfer illegal items that way. There is no link but will post it when it comes available.

I saw that, too. Now, I'm kind of thinking there may be more to the story with those two.

[robotdog]

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[robotdog]

:cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing:

[TakeNote]

:slap: what is this guy thinking.....?....

[Pondering Mind]

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

:clap:Couldn't Agree More robotdog!:clap:

[TakeNote]

can someone post a link to their web page pleese....:blowkiss:

[Pondering Mind]

:jester::doughboy::jester:

[Lovejac]

What is wrong with him!!??

He is lucky that I am NOT his wife......he would have some 'splaining to do!!!

Makes ME wonder what was up during those 6 hour visits!

[suspicious mind]

Can he take a cell phone in the room with him when they visit? He probably had it hidden in his pocket or something so she could lean over on him and talk to her family w/o being recorded. I don't know if I explained that well, but it made sense when I thunk it. Like they were hugging to hide the fact the phone was up to her ear.

[magic-cat]

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

ditto

[cfromcanada]

Can he take a cell phone in the room with him when they visit? He probably had it hidden in his pocket or something so she could lean over on him and talk to her family w/o being recorded. I don't know if I explained that well, but it made sense when I thunk it. Like they were hugging to hide the fact the phone was up to her ear.

You are way to generous! The guy is a pig...well so is the girl for that matter!

[Singlovelaugh]

You are way to generous! The guy is a pig...well so is the girl for that matter!

You got that right! A pure nasty, dirty, filthy pig!:puke:

[Karate Dad]

Jose Baez Repeatedly Told To Stop Touching Casey During Jail Visits
Friday, October 31, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- In the past two weeks Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez has visited her at the jail, seven out of 14 days.
Eyewitness News has discovered that on at least two occasions jail staff had to step in and Baez was warned repeatedly about hugging Casey during their visits.

A jail report states: "The inmate's attorney was observed hugging inmate and was advised that physical contact was prohibited."

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html

[Pink Panther]

This guys a lawyer? He should know better.

[dcorrigano]

Ive been in plenty of jails for work, (wanted to clarify, not an inmate.lol) and I can tell you NO ONE has ever HAD to tell me no touching!! I have NEVER seen a lawyer touch an inmate unless the lawyer also happened to be the inmates parent (which I have seen). There isnt a lawyer in the world who doesnt know this is not only inappropriate but also against the rules... The fact that h