Patrick B.visit

[Stoelly]

Please take a listen to this visit - and who is Mike r that he is referring to? Casey plays like she doesn't remember who Patrick is yet he says for what it's worth - we're still on your team and if there is anything that you want to talk about (Casey sighs big time) - just let it go. It was a two minute visit. Does Casey approve who gets to visit her? (You know we can see her visitors log and as a parent, I would be having a hissy fit to fill all the visits to my daughter with Family!) What's up with this??? Anyone think this could be a secret message to her about Caylee? He visited her on the 24th of July?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_jail_conversation.mp3

[alphaville]

Is that her at the very end saying "Now I know who this kid is?"

[ShouldBWorking]

Is that her at the very end saying "Now I know who this kid is?"

yes that's her

[MayMay]

I found this meeting very very weird, why would a random person just visit you out of no where. he mentions that Mike Walker tells him to tell her to keep her head up.

[alphaville]

She seemed rather uncomfortable to me, him too. He could just have wanted 15 minutes of fame. Worth looking into though.

[Love_Mama]

Please take a listen to this visit - and who is Mike Walker that he is referring to? Casey plays like she doesn't remember who Patrick is yet he says for what it's worth - we're still on your team and if there is anything that you want to talk about (Casey sighs big time) - just let it go. It was a two minute visit. Does Casey approve who gets to visit her? (You know we can see her visitors log and as a parent, I would be having a hissy fit to fill all the visits to my daughter with Family!) What's up with this??? Anyone think this could be a secret message to her about Caylee? He visited her on the 24th of July?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_jail_conversation.mp3


Sounds to me that Casey think's this guy is LE and so is not saying anything. (Hey, maybe he is)

xxxxxxxxooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

[angelmom]

It kind of reminded me of how at funerals or even if someone is in the hospital and some people will just show up who no one can figure out why they are there.

But I have also been that person who really doesn't belong but feels a strong need to pay my respects or just let the family know that I am praying for them or thinking of them.

It's awkward, b/c it is so hard to explain, but I think that's all it is. And this is from July 24th, so he might not yet have understood how bad the situation really looked for Casey. It could be as simple as he had a crush on her in middle school and high school (he mentions middle school, for Pete's sake!) and feels like she might "need" him now.

But I think if there were some connection to Caylee they'd have talked longer, in her cryptic way.

[websurfer]

I one day was able to get into the alumni without signing up now i can't?
lockdown at COLONIAL HIGH website for Alumni searching?

I had the actual street address and saw the class she was in on it but now?
I can not locate it/
Anybody able to do that?
could be my computer acting up...

[mahmoo]

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

[RebeccaAdrianne]

I want to point out that Patrick left a comment of Mike's page last month before he visited Casey.

Here is his comment -

Jul 16, 2008 2:39 AM
Things could not be better; I love the college I am going to even if it is not LSU (people seem nice, the women are BEAUTIFUL and easy to talk to). I joined the honors program at the orientation and I am joining Campus Outreach (a Christian club). I do not remember when things were better in my life.

and the day prior -

Jul 15, 2008 4:06 PM
What up bro, just seeing how life is treating you my brother. You know if you never need anything, do not hesitate to call me.

Perhaps Mike knows something? Patrick offered to let him know if he needs anything. I don't believe Patrick is involved. But find it funny that he paid Casey a visit and dropped Mike's name.

My Opinion only.

[Stoelly]

Thanks for posting about Mike W. - he looks like a real heavy. This is just a gut reaction to the website though. I wonder how strong Casey's connection is to him and what it is? I wonder what is up with all the "if you ever need anything, let me know." What would he need - X, blow, a zanny????

And as far as campus outreach goes - could be code for "I'm setting up my connections to deal" Just wonderin' outloud . . .

[Stoelly]

OK, check out Mike W's pic's - and what does his TAT D.S.F.B. stand for? Also, notice his main man is nicknamed Manny. What do the hand signals stand for? He has some nice pic's with guns too.

[my2cents]

OK, check out Mike Walker's pic's - and what does his TAT D.S.F.B. stand for? Also, notice his main man is nicknamed Manny. What do the hand signals stand for? He has some nice pic's with guns too.

Stoelly--

DSFB means Down South Fl Boy. Notice on the link that I am putting here that one of the pics says something to the effect of can't mess with the eastside boys. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=20507384&albumId=28316

[websurfer]

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-287458.html

[WindChime]

ok folks it's like this, this type of posting is not and i repete is not permitted on ws. Now if there was proof that this case was linked to gang related this would be a different story, but it is not. I will be timing folks out that post in this manner. I think members need to go read our tos. This case is about caylee.

[ThoughtFox]

ok folks it's like this, this type of posting is not and i repete is not permitted on ws. Now if there was proof that this case was linked to gang related this would be a different story, but it is not. I will be timing folks out that post in this manner. I think members need to go read our tos. This case is about caylee.
Thanks, WindChime :clap: - this is the second thread I've seen tonight that is about a gang connection, but the facts seem to have nothing to do with that. If the cops or her family suspected that, we would know and have suspects or something by now, I believe. I mean, a child is in danger - if they thought it was a gang they'd be rounding up the usual suspects.

[imnotheonlyone]

Patrick is concerned for Caylee - he is attending the prayer vigils and participated in last Friday night's fundraiser. He can be discussed till you're blue, he IS, however, an innocent bystander.

[txsvicki]

Some posters, myself included, felt that Patrick might be involved in a Christian youth group. He must have known Casey from high school and wanted to minister to her while in jail with hopes of getting her to do the right thing. It sounds like the real Walker may also be a Christian young man.

[awakewriter]

I agree. I think Patrick and Mike are kind and concerned people.

I believe the "outreach" group is likely a Christian outreach group.

I think they are trying to do what they believe Jesus would do. JMO.

[Stoelly]

No one has posted this here - but who is this Mike W. that Patrick referred to then? What information do we have about him? (Besides "I feel he is a Christian and is trying to minister to Casey?") Specifically I am looking for facts. Thanks

[Stoelly]

Patrick is concerned for Caylee - he is attending the prayer vigils and participated in last Friday night's fundraiser. He can be discussed till you're blue, he IS, however, an innocent bystander.

How do you know this? Are you friends with him? What evidence do you have to support this? (Curious, trying to fill in the pieces here)

[imnotheonlyone]

How do you know this? Are you friends with him? What evidence do you have to support this? (Curious, trying to fill in the pieces here)

I am not going to offer "evidence," but I would NOT state something as fact that I do not KNOW to be true. Patrick has a sincere interest in helping to bring Caylee home.

[Stoelly]

I am not going to offer "evidence," but I would NOT state something as fact that I do not KNOW to be true. Patrick has a sincere interest in helping to bring Caylee home.

I was after facts - just the facts maam. Not feelings.

[MistyM]

the first time i saw that jailhouse video i was in a conspiracy mindset and i TOTALLY saw secret messages and warnings and threats.

but you guys are probably right the guy is on the straight.

i just don't understand how he was even able to SEE casey, since they weren't even really good friends, as in she didn't quite recognize him.

maybe LE thought it would bring out some information or like we were talking about on that thread where those two detectives said they need to get someone in there that she 'trusts', maybe they overestimated his connection to her and thought perhaps he could be used as a confidante.

did i tell you guys i LOVE these separate threads?

[TxRose]

I started this thread because I have seen a lot of questions raised about the person that visited Casey in jail – Patrick Bou******. Many felt his visit might be important. I wanted to share what I had discovered and let everyone discuss why he visited Casey and see if you can help me make sense of what I found.

Patrick visited Casey in jail and she didn’t seem to recognize the name or the person. She played along, but the sound of her voice said she didn’t have any idea who he was or why he was there. Patrick seemed to realize this and mentioned Liberty Middle School and Colonial High School – along with the fact that he hung around with a Mike W. This name seemed to jog Casey’s memory and I think she started to realize who this guy was. If you listen carefully after he hangs up, you can hear Casey say something like “NOW I know who this kid is!”. http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/audio-from-case.html

Mike W. can be found on the Colonial High School website under the alumni list for 2004 – along with Casey Anthony. He was apparently someone Casey was familiar with in high school. http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm . I also believe Patrick Bou******. was in the same class, only under the name Daniel Bri**. I have found connections between the two. Here is what I found:

I checked on Classmates.com and found a listing for a Daniel Bri**. that attended Colonial High School – Class of 2004. This same profile stated that Daniel Bri**. attended Boone High School – Class of 2004 – but under the name Patrick Bou****** (the name used at the jail). Confirming this, I found that the Boone High school website also lists a Patrick Bou******. as an alumni – Class of 2004. http://www.boonebraves.ocps.net/2008/alumnilist.php?d=2000.

Patrick has a Facebook page which mentions Casey and the Anthony’s. Among his friends is a Jazmin E. who is also in the same Colonial High School alumni list for 1004 as Casey, Daniel and Mike. He also lists "Fran Bou******." as a friend – and since they share the same last name, I believe this to be his mother. This is may be supported by the fact that I found a listing on www.whitpages.com (http://www.whitpages.com) for a Francine Bri** – who apparently once worked at Boone High School where Patrick was listed as an alumni!

So in summary, I think his name used to be the name he used at the jail, and it was then changed to the name on the Colonial HS roster – probably based on the marital status of his mother. Why the change in first names, and why he switched back to the other name is still a mystery. But there is a man in Florida that carries the name he used at the jail and he runs a fishing business in Florida. So perhaps he changed it back for that reason.

On the Classmates.com site - there are other names used by Daniel in his profile. These other names have other profiles as well. Under these other names, the bio info is the same as what he provides under the Daniel name. So they were set up by the same person...but the dates of graduation, etc. don't match. I was not able to find alumni lists for the schools listed under these other names to verify them. You will have to find these other names yourself, as I have not been allowed to list them here. Just look at the Daniel Bri**. profile and search the name he used at Wapahani High School, and go from there.

I am sorry I was so long-winded, but this was really confusing…and very hard to communicate to others! Especially since my original post was edited and I can't use full names - you can't use just last initials because they are the same...but the full name is not! So pardon my second edit - but I thought it necessary to make my original post make sense again. (Mods - if I still have too much info....please edit accordingly.)

I really don't think this guy had any real agenda for going to see Casey other than to inject himself in the case. She didn't even seem to know who he was until the very end, and seemed quite "peeved" that he was there wasting her time. So I don't think his visit was very important to the case. In any case,I would love to get others feedback on what they think.

[Secretsolver]

Maybe he was there to deliver a "message" to Casey that at first she didn't get but then started to figure out.

Or he is just someone else that was looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

[California Dreamer]

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

Small point, but I did notice on this link that he was voted Most Athletic.

[Angelray]

This might not be nothing but check this out.. maybe ZG is a combination of kids that she went to school with .. All of the names are there..

[yanknrebel]

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm


If you go to this link, listed in the alumni there is a MIKE W voted "most athletic". Wonder if this is THE same Mike Wr to which Patrick B was referring? That Patrick guy looked like a "loser" and misfit in school. If this is the same Mike W , to which Patrick refers, I DOUBT seriously they would have been friends or hung out together. Most "jocks" don;t hang out with "losers" at school.

So either this is the wrong Mike W

Patrick is throwing around the name Mike W because it makes him look "important" to Casey, that he may actually now be with the IN crowd.

or is was some sort of code.

I'd be interested to see if LE ever sought out this mike Walker and questioned him?

JMO

[TxRose]

If you go to this link, listed in the alumni there is a MIKE W voted "most athletic". Wonder if this is THE same Mike Wr to which Patrick B was referring? That Patrick guy looked like a "loser" and misfit in school. If this is the same Mike W , to which Patrick refers, I DOUBT seriously they would have been friends or hung out together. Most "jocks" don;t hang out with "losers" at school.

So either this is the wrong Mike W

Patrick is throwing around the name Mike W because it makes him look "important" to Casey, that he may actually now be with the IN crowd.

or is was some sort of code.

I'd be interested to see if LE ever sought out this mike Walker and questioned him?

JMO

I found a Mike W. from Colonial HS Class of '04 on Classmates.com. He didn't complete the profile, but he did put a picture of some football players on it. So I assume he was on the team.

I think Patrick and Mike may have hooked up after graduating. I think they are both very Christian-oriented from what I am reading, and perhaps they do this together now. Unless there is evidence that Casey has been involved with these two in the last year, I can't imagine that LE would be that interested in interviewing them at this time.

[Cagney]

The visit from Patrick B has always bothered me. The first time I saw it, I got an eerie feeling that it was a message from Mike W. or someone else possibly.

Idk, it just doesn't sit right and I agree that in her voice you can hear her insecurity during the visit.

[SharetheLight]

The visit from Patrick B has always bothered me. The first time I saw it, I got an eerie feeling that it was a message from Mike W. or someone else possibly.

Idk, it just doesn't sit right and I agree that in her voice you can hear her insecurity during the visit.

I agree. It seemed that this visit was to give Casey some type of message. I think he stated, if you need to talk about something just let it go. Or something like that. I initially thought he was saying hey, I'm here for you, but then it seemed like he was suggesting she just not say anything to anyone. As in a warning. Maybe I read something into it that wasn't there. Maybe he was just nervous.

[jeannebreault]

The Patrick B visit has long confounded me! Here's something I dug up...don't know if it's related, but maybe it will lead to something else.

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_g5gjxg

Since Frank B was also on the visitor list with him, although I didn't see him in the video, I did a pretty exhaustive search for Frank B in Orlando and came up with...nothing!

[TxRose]

The Patrick B visit has long confounded me! Here's something I dug up...don't know if it's related, but maybe it will lead to something else.

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_g5gjxg

Since Frank B was also on the visitor list with him, although I didn't see him in the video, I did a pretty exhaustive search for Frank B in Orlando and came up with...nothing!

I believe I have found him. Frank B. doesn't live in Orlando. He owns a fishing business. http://www.alwaysfishing.com/

As I stated before, I don't think Casey expected this visit, and I don't think he went there with a message. The conversation did not sound "cryptic" to me - just very uncomfortable. Just as I would expect it to be. Casey didn't know who is was or why he was there. You can hear the disgust and "whatever" attitude in her voice. She was irritated and just wanted to get off the phone. He on the other hand just didn't really know what to say. I think it was awkward for him because I believe he hoped for more of a positive response from her. I do not believe this call was important.

[PaulaF513]

This jailhouse visit has always puzzled me too. Something about it just doesn't set right imo. And the fact that there was another PB who was a murder victim at 3 yrs of age...I guess this case is chock full of coincidentals, but, I really hope LE delved into this.

[shadow of my mind]

The Patrick B visit has long confounded me! Here's something I dug up...don't know if it's related, but maybe it will lead to something else.

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_g5gjxg

Since Frank B was also on the visitor list with him, although I didn't see him in the video, I did a pretty exhaustive search for Frank B in Orlando and came up with...nothing!

This visitor to Casey has made me wonder also. The conversation was strange and yes it could just be that he felt he should be a good person and go see Casey, but he got their before anyone else. That is what made my smell’s fishy go off. This person may not be envolved in anything and only knows Casey because of school. So keeping that in mind I had done some digging a few weeks ago and I did not find the name listed at manta.com but it does seem to be there now. Interesting! Maybe I just didn’t see it. So now that this popped up I went back and reviewed what I had found and went from there.

Take a look. Would love to know what others think.

This Patrick B. does not seem to have his own address that I can find but has a relative by the name of Fran. I found him listed as 22 years. Orlando is one of the towns he is connected to.
Peoplefinders.com

Ok, I looked at your link
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_g5gjxg
took the address and ran a google search and saw this link
www.octaxcol.com/OclWeeklyReports/LocalBusinessTax2007/lbtnb20071126-30.pdf

go to page 5 and look at the sixth listing down. Notice the name connected with this listing. That is the [edited for a Correction ]it is NOT the same last name that PB said to Casey in his brief conversation.


Now I put in the name of the business and came up with this:
http://www.gatheringguide.com/event_directory/fl_florida/vendor_bands_djs_entertainment_8668.html
There is no website for this business nor a fax number that I can find. No independent newspaper articles came up, no interviews, no reviews. I noticed the contact person’s last name and thought geez two of the most common American names. I read this description of this business and well ….. some things do come to mind. Maybe someone from the area would know about this company and keep me from reading between the lines of this add.

As far as the name of the president goes I did find one in Orlando born in 1963 living at the same address as the business listing on the gatheringguide website with different phone number.
http://stevemorse.org/birthday/zaba.html?state=FL

You can listen to the conversation with Casey and Patrick on this site
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/audio-from-case.html

After making the correction with the last name that this PB said [I listened again with a new media player and was able to hear it clearly this time] I cannot connect him to the name listed on the business tax record that happens to be the come up with the same street address. The businsses are both in the entertainment line but that in itself does not mean anything.
I have found nothing else that connects this Patrick B. to Casey other than High School at this time.

[marellano]

ok folks it's like this, this type of posting is not and i repete is not permitted on ws. Now if there was proof that this case was linked to gang related this would be a different story, but it is not. I will be timing folks out that post in this manner. I think members need to go read our tos. This case is about caylee.

I'm new here, so bear with me while I ask a question that is probably blatantly obvious to everyone else. I've seen several posts alerting people that gang talk is a big no-no. I just looked at the TOS and I didn't see a specific reference to gang talk (although it is quite possible that I missed it), so I'm not really sure about what is going on. Why is "gang talk" different than any other theory? I'm not trying to be a smart aleck...I genuinely don't understand the difference between a gang-related theory and any other kind of theory.

Could someone send me a link to the area in the TOS that explains this..or could you PM me? I'm not trying to stir any trouble up, I just want to be sure I understand all the rules!

TIA!
~Michelle

[Arwen]

It is actually stated explicitly in the rules for this forum not the TOS, I think... (right now I can't find them). The mods have said more than once if you talk about it (because there is ABSOLUTELY NO proof) you WILL either get a time out or be banned. Windchime is a mod so she'd know better than I would.

[jeannebreault]

I'm new here, so bear with me while I ask a question that is probably blatantly obvious to everyone else. I've seen several posts alerting people that gang talk is a big no-no. I just looked at the TOS and I didn't see a specific reference to gang talk (although it is quite possible that I missed it), so I'm not really sure about what is going on. Why is "gang talk" different than any other theory? I'm not trying to be a smart aleck...I genuinely don't understand the difference between a gang-related theory and any other kind of theory.

Could someone send me a link to the area in the TOS that explains this..or could you PM me? I'm not trying to stir any trouble up, I just want to be sure I understand all the rules!

TIA!
~Michelle
Huh? I don't even know what gang talk is! That's how naive I am! Maybe I'm the one who needs to be enlightened?! And how did you come up with that mod comment...looks like it was posted quite a while ago..last month sometime!

[Brini]

Please take a listen to this visit - and who is Mike r that he is referring to? Casey plays like she doesn't remember who Patrick is yet he says for what it's worth - we're still on your team and if there is anything that you want to talk about (Casey sighs big time) - just let it go. It was a two minute visit. Does Casey approve who gets to visit her? (You know we can see her visitors log and as a parent, I would be having a hissy fit to fill all the visits to my daughter with Family!) What's up with this??? Anyone think this could be a secret message to her about Caylee? He visited her on the 24th of July?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_jail_conversation.mp3

Patrick was someone she went to high school with, but didn't know.

[jeannebreault]

Shadow, I may be able to explain this.
This Patrick B. does not seem to have his own address that I can find but has a relative by the name of Fran. I found him listed as 22 years. Orlando is one of the towns he is connected to.One of the things I came up with in my search is what I think is the divorce of his parents a few years back. It looks like one now lives in Orlando and one lives in St. Cloud. That explains the two addresses.

As far as googling the address in Manta, 2712 B'wood, I did that, too, and only came up with B Entertainment and the property owners from the OCPA website. I don't think it's connected at all to what you found in the business licenses. I think the 2712 was a google hit, but not with B'wood,since it looks like the record number or something - so I don't think it's at all related!

Stoelly, I've listened to and watched the conversation, and I think the last name Patrick B mentions is Walker.

[jeannebreault]

I believe I have found him. Frank B. doesn't live in Orlando. He owns a fishing business. http://www.alwaysfishing.com/

As I stated before, I don't think Casey expected this visit, and I don't think he went there with a message. The conversation did not sound "cryptic" to me - just very uncomfortable. Just as I would expect it to be. Casey didn't know who is was or why he was there. You can hear the disgust and "whatever" attitude in her voice. She was irritated and just wanted to get off the phone. He on the other hand just didn't really know what to say. I think it was awkward for him because I believe he hoped for more of a positive response from her. I do not believe this call was important.
I saw the fishing captain, too, but I just couldn't find enough info to confirm in my mind that he was the Frank on the visit with Patrick.

The conversation did not sound "cryptic" to me - just very uncomfortable. Just as I would expect it to be. Casey didn't know who is was or why he was there. You can hear the disgust and "whatever" attitude in her voice. She was irritated and just wanted to get off the phone. He on the other hand just didn't really know what to say. I think it was awkward for him because I believe he hoped for more of a positive response from her. I do not believe this call was important.
I do find this conversation to be a little cryptic. I do think Casey was unsure of who he was, which is what he mentioned that he was a friend of Mike W. She seemed to get clued in at that point, like it then made sense. I found PB saying, "you've got friends on the outside" to be strange. To me that sounds like someone who knows a little something about ppl on the "inside" vs. the "outside."

An earlier poster mentioned they thought MW was a "nice Christian" or something close to that...all I can say is take a look at his pics!

[bessie]

I'm so glad someone started this thread. I don't have time to read all the way through because I have company right now and just came in to peek to see if there were any new developments today. I'll come back later when I have more time, but...

I have to say that this early jailhouse visit has been, for me, one of the most puzzling events of this whole bizarre case. Why the heck would this guy just pop in out of the blue? To me, it did sound like he was trying to convey a message. Casey obviously didn't know who he was at first. When he mentions Mike W, however, it's like a 10,000 watt lightbulb goes off in her head. Listen to the way she says, "uh, okay!" At least that's how it came across to me in the beginning before I had read anything about this Patrick or Mike.

My very first impression was that this guy was sent there to warn her to keep her mouth shut. That's not to imply they had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance, just that they wanted to ensure the tot mom didn't mention them in any discussions with LE.

[yanknrebel]

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. However I beleive I heard or read somewhere that Casey had to ok who she was to see while in jail. Meaning that she would have had to say "Ok yeah I know him and want to see him". Why would she agree to see this Patrick guy if she did not know him? Unless out of curiosity.


I saw the fishing captain, too, but I just couldn't find enough info to confirm in my mind that he was the Frank on the visit with Patrick.


I do find this conversation to be a little cryptic. I do think Casey was unsure of who he was, which is what he mentioned that he was a friend of Mike W. She seemed to get clued in at that point, like it then made sense. I found PB saying, "you've got friends on the outside" to be strange. To me that sounds like someone who knows a little something about ppl on the "inside" vs. the "outside."

An earlier poster mentioned they thought MW was a "nice Christian" or something close to that...all I can say is take a look at his pics!

[TxRose]

I saw the fishing captain, too, but I just couldn't find enough info to confirm in my mind that he was the Frank on the visit with Patrick.


I do find this conversation to be a little cryptic. I do think Casey was unsure of who he was, which is what he mentioned that he was a friend of Mike W. She seemed to get clued in at that point, like it then made sense. I found PB saying, "you've got friends on the outside" to be strange. To me that sounds like someone who knows a little something about ppl on the "inside" vs. the "outside."

An earlier poster mentioned they thought MW was a "nice Christian" or something close to that...all I can say is take a look at his pics!

I guess when I say cryptic I mean that he was speaking in code or in some secretive way - like delivering some secret message only Casey would get. I don't see that at all. I think he showed up for some reason at the jail, and Casey didn't know who he was at first until he mentions Mike W. I think she got "clued in" as you say when she recognized the Mike name. She still was not receptive to this guy and acted irritated that he was there. She even was extremely sarcastic when he said he would write her. I do not believe he was delivering a message. The statement about "inside" and "outside" actually seem a bit corny to me - like something you would hear in a movie.

As I stated before, I believe Patrick Bou******. to be Daniel Bri**. - a classmate of Casey and Mike's. I think Casey remembers Mike, but it took a while to realize who this guy was.

As for the fisherman, I do not know if that is his father for sure. Just speculating.

I have been edited - and told not to use last names. So that makes this very hard to explain clearly. But I will try using a few more letters of the last names to make this clearer: His mother is Fran Bou****** - she is listed on his facebook as a contact. I found a listing for her under both last names - Bour****** (Patrick's name) and Bri** (Daniel's name). Of course I believe Patrick & Daniel to be the same person. She changed her name, probably after a divorce or re-marriage - and he did too. I found a listing for a Francine Bri** that showed she worked at Booke High School - where Patrick Bour****** apparently attended. Patrick was another name used by Daniel on Classmates.com. I know this is confusing - but I am so limited on what I can say!

[shadow of my mind]

Shadow, I may be able to explain this.
.One of the things I came up with in my search is what I think is the divorce of his parents a few years back. It looks like one now lives in Orlando and one lives in St. Cloud. That explains the two addresses.

As far as googling the address in Manta, 2712 B'wood, I did that, too, and only came up with B Entertainment and the property owners from the OCPA website. I don't think it's connected at all to what you found in the business licenses. I think the 2712 was a google hit, but not with B'wood,since it looks like the record number or something - so I don't think it's at all related!

Stoelly, I've listened to and watched the conversation, and I think the last name Patrick B mentions is Walker.

You are correct. I did not hear the name clearly and came up with White. I have corrected my post to reflect that there appears to be no connection except businesses are both in the entertainment field.

Sorry for the extra confusion is this crazy case. I will try to be more careful in the futrue. [Updated my media player so that should help]

[jeannebreault]

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. However I beleive I heard or read somewhere that Casey had to ok who she was to see while in jail. Meaning that she would have had to say "Ok yeah I know him and want to see him". Why would she agree to see this Patrick guy if she did not know him? Unless out of curiosity.
Good point! And we know she refused to see CA, GA and LA enough times!

[jeannebreault]

You are correct. I did not hear the name clearly and came up with White. I have corrected my post to reflect that there appears to be no connection except businesses are both in the entertainment field.

Sorry for the extra confusion is this crazy case. I will try to be more careful in the futrue. [Updated my media player so that should help]
No problem! I thought I was losing it! I was in the middle of looking up a bunch of addresses for the businesses and individual you referenced to see if I was not understanding an address connection you mentioned - thanks for saving me the time! To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure B Entertainment is related!

[jeannebreault]

I guess when I say cryptic I mean that he was speaking in code or in some secretive way - like delivering some secret message only Casey would get. I don't see that at all. I think he showed up for some reason at the jail, and Casey didn't know who he was at first until he mentions Mike W. I think she got "clued in" as you say when she recognized the Mike name. She still was not receptive to this guy and acted irritated that he was there. She even was extremely sarcastic when he said he would write her. I do not believe he was delivering a message. The statement about "inside" and "outside" actually seem a bit corny to me - like something you would hear in a movie.

As I stated before, I believe Patrick Bou******. to be Daniel Bri**. - a classmate of Casey and Mike's. I think Casey remembers Mike, but it took a while to realize who this guy was.

As for the fisherman, I do not know if that is his father for sure. Just speculating.

I have been edited - and told not to use last names. So that makes this very hard to explain clearly. But I will try using a few more letters of the last names to make this clearer: His mother is Fran Bou****** - she is listed on his facebook as a contact. I found a listing for her under both last names - Bour****** (Patrick's name) and Bri** (Daniel's name). Of course I believe Patrick & Daniel to be the same person. She changed her name, probably after a divorce or re-marriage - and he did too. I found a listing for a Francine Bri** that showed she worked at Booke High School - where Patrick Bour****** apparently attended. Patrick was another name used by Daniel on Classmates.com. I know this is confusing - but I am so limited on what I can say!
PM me that last name, ok? And I did see a divorce for F and F Bourgeois on OC clerk of court records. There is also a PB with right birth year that has had traffic violation listed on clerk records, so there is a real PB.

I know where you're coming from on Casey's attitude during visit, but I still think it is very strange that PB and FB were first visitors she had.

[Cagney]

Does anyone have a link for the video of the visit. I tried clicking yesterday and page could not be displayed.

[BCMom]

The topic of the mysterious Patrick was discussed a long time ago in a different thread back in the day of non-private myspace pages. Several people, myself included, read Patrick's myspace comments. To say the least, they were embarrassing. This poor kid used to hang out with Mike in eighth grade along with one other guy who I have forgotten the name of at the moment. This Patrick never quite got over the fact that he used to be friends with the cool kids in junior high and was practically begging the guy whose name I can't remember to please be friends with him. The guy finally told him, listen it was in eighth grade, move on. I don't think there is anything at all cryptic about his visit, I think he's a lost kid living in the past grasping at any type of contact from the past. Doesn't he even say to Casey that she knew him in junior high? I feel a little bad for the guy, the myspace comments were really quite pathetic. However, I feel more sorry for the guy who had to fend off Patrick's "Please be my friend again" advances. He was so nice and tried so hard to say it nicely, but this Patrick just couldn't get it.

[jeannebreault]

The topic of the mysterious Patrick was discussed a long time ago in a different thread back in the day of non-private myspace pages. Several people, myself included, read Patrick's myspace comments. To say the least, they were embarrassing. This poor kid used to hang out with Mike in eighth grade along with one other guy who I have forgotten the name of at the moment. This Patrick never quite got over the fact that he used to be friends with the cool kids in junior high and was practically begging the guy whose name I can't remember to please be friends with him. The guy finally told him, listen it was in eighth grade, move on. I don't think there is anything at all cryptic about his visit, I think he's a lost kid living in the past grasping at any type of contact from the past. Doesn't he even say to Casey that she knew him in junior high? I feel a little bad for the guy, the myspace comments were really quite pathetic. However, I feel more sorry for the guy who had to fend off Patrick's "Please be my friend again" advances. He was so nice and tried so hard to say it nicely, but this Patrick just couldn't get it.
Thanks for filling us in! I'm just going back over things (no stone unturned type of thing!) because we seem to be getting nowhere fast!

[BCMom]

I'm trying to find my old posts concerning Patrick because they had excerpts from his myspace page. Here's one:


Jun 19, 2007 8:40 PM
I can respect that, but let me paint u a picture and this is real. Ok look at the people u named. Ok Me/Mike/Gabe. It's like after we all left middle school and got done with H.S. we all went others ways. When was the last time me/Mike/u/Gabe all hung out. The last time I remember would be like 8th grade to be real. Mike got his own crew. I'm str8 chillin/ur like whatever/ and Gabe is Married. So it makes things hella hard. I'll always have u back and u know that. As far as the crew we use to have, I really don't know whats up. What do u think?
-YoungMarc
http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm...7-4ac0a564f1fb

Marcus seems to be calling Patrick out on his obsession with the past. I don't think this Patrick's visit meant anything...

[TxRose]

That's interesting BCMom...thanks for the additional info. I agree that this guy's visit always seemed more pathetic to me than anything. I do not believe he was sending a message or speaking for someone else on the "outside". I honestly had the exact impression of him that you just verified. I see him as hoping to reconnect with a girl he perhaps had a crush on at one time...perhaps still does. And she blew him off big time!

[bessie]

Thanks so much for re-posting the information. After reading all of that, I agree, the poor guy is a hanger on. Probably nothing more than that.

[scrubnurse]

So I have found this meeting with Casey in the jail very strange all along. I looked on Myspace to see if I could find someone named Patrick that went to Casey's high school, in the same age group and I ran across this. It may be nothing, but I found it a little strange. Note the quote...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=45060203&MyToken=26431c5b-6384-47f0-807c-0885dba70d7a

[cacnotcam]

And what exactly does "Qui finem vitae extremum inter munera ponat naturae" mean? I do not speak French. Or Latin...Whatever it is!

[armywife210]

So I have found this meeting with Casey in the jail very strange all along. I looked on Myspace to see if I could find someone named Patrick that went to Casey's high school, in the same age group and I ran across this. It may be nothing, but I found it a little strange. Note the quote...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=45060203&MyToken=26431c5b-6384-47f0-807c-0885dba70d7a

uhm... it's set to private. I can see his quote, but speak english only. hehe. what does it mean?
Oh, and I don't think you can use both first and last names of people..... don't want you to get in trouble!

[Friptzap]

I don't know latin but he is supposed to be a bible thumper so I doubt this is him.

[Chilly Willy]

Might want to delete the last name

[lisa0477]

http://books.google.com/books?id=jxAZ_RIdxj0C&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=Qui+finem+vitae+extremum+inter+munera+ponat+nat urae&source=web&ots=Y_XkqGkh5l&sig=uvN9XcJaG_YHr6pN7l9pvBkc7qI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

I googled it and came up with that above. I am not good with links, so I hope I did it right

[cacnotcam]

Found my answer! "Better saith he qui finem vitae extremum inter munera ponat naturae [Dying is one of the gifts of nature]. It is as natural to die, as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful, as the other." Wow This is "Of Death" by Francis Bacon.

[Laece]

Qui finem vitae extremum inter munera ponat naturae...

'it is as natural to die as it is to be born.'

[cacnotcam]

I don't know latin but he is supposed to be a bible thumper so I doubt this is him.

I found this essay in an "alternative religion" site.....Hmn....

[deerpack2003]

That means it is as natural to die and it is to be born.

[armywife210]

I would be tempted to say "anything that I can think of is just too weird to be possible. I don't think there is a link." but with this case, anything is possible.

[scrubnurse]

Patrick is a bible thumper? I really have not been paying that close of attention lately. Did they ever interview this guy?

Quote meaning
http://books.google.com/books?id=jxAZ_RIdxj0C&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=Qui+finem+vitae+extremum+inter+munera+ponat+nat urae&source=web&ots=Y_XkqGki9f&sig=SQ6rUje09_da5jMRtdPMsqvZyZM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

Okay maybe I don't know much about the bible...does this have biblical meaning?

[cacnotcam]

Is this someone that just has the name P as a first initial on the area or did you actually find the last name associated with this profile as well?

[armywife210]

Ok, what exactly is a Bible Thumper? Because I'm a Chrstian. The Bible is based on Christian beliefs. I read my Bible. So does that make me a Bible Thumper?

[cacnotcam]

Ok, what exactly is a Bible Thumper? Because I'm a Chrstian. The Bible is based on Christian beliefs. I read my Bible. So does that make me a Bible Thumper?

LOL!!! MY take is that a Bible Thumper is someone who is VERY vocal in their beliefs and tends to try to push their beliefs/opinions on anyone and everyone!

[Friptzap]

Patrick is a bible thumper? I really have not been paying that close of attention lately. Did they ever interview this guy?

Quote meaning
http://books.google.com/books?id=jxAZ_RIdxj0C&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=Qui+finem+vitae+extremum+inter+munera+ponat+nat urae&source=web&ots=Y_XkqGki9f&sig=SQ6rUje09_da5jMRtdPMsqvZyZM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

Okay maybe I don't know much about the bible...does this have biblical meaning?

No thye have not, he arrived at the jail with his father. Casey in the very end of the clip after he hung hup said something to the affect of "oh god now I remember who he is"

I will reserve my opinions as this would turn into a religous debate and that is far from what we are here to do :)

This is from an essay by Francis Bacon, century's old. It is about death and how men fear it.

Here is a wiki on it:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Essays_(Francis_Bacon)

[armywife210]

LOL!!! MY take is that a Bible Thumper is someone who is VERY vocal in their beliefs and tends to try to push their beliefs/opinions on anyone and everyone!

hmmm, interesting.

[Friptzap]

LOL!!! MY take is that a Bible Thumper is someone who is VERY vocal in their beliefs and tends to try to push their beliefs/opinions on anyone and everyone!

Yup. That is what I mean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_thumper

Her reaction to him leads me to think that is his peronality.

For all practical purposes he is a stranger to her. Apparently he has "faith" and wished to express it.

[cacnotcam]

hmmm, interesting.

Not sure why I am not able to quote your whole reply but yes! You would be correct!

[armywife210]

lol, because I changed what I wrote. hehe. I didn't want this to get into a religious discussion.

[lacey clementine]

:clap:Ok, what exactly is a Bible Thumper? Because I'm a Chrstian. The Bible is based on Christian beliefs. I read my Bible. So does that make me a Bible Thumper?

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[armywife210]

:clap:

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

*politely courtseys*

[AutomaticAuttie]

I don't think that is the same Patrick!

[armywife210]

I don't think that is the same Patrick!

What leads you to think that? I don't have an opinion either way, I'm just wondering.

[Recovering-Lurker]

I thought this was the Patrick that visited Casey.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=41823846

[cacnotcam]

lol, because I changed what I wrote. hehe. I didn't want this to get into a religious discussion.

I figured and slightly changed what I wrote as well! Glad we are on the same page on this one! :blowkiss:

[supergirl]

i don't know what the deal is with this guy, but that quote, classic literature or not, is just creepy to me.

[AutomaticAuttie]

What leads you to think that? I don't have an opinion either way, I'm just wondering.

Because there is another myspace under same name that looks like the guy who visited her in jail.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=41823846

[armywife210]

ya know, for the sake of my sanity, everyone ought to quit putting their myspaces to PRIVATE! lol

[AutomaticAuttie]

ya know, for the sake of my sanity, everyone ought to quit putting their myspaces to private! Lol

lol!:)

[Friptzap]

ya know, for the sake of my sanity, everyone ought to quit putting their myspaces to PRIVATE! lol

probably everyone in Orlando has now just because of this case. lol

[cacnotcam]

i don't know what the deal is with this guy, but that quote, classic literature or not, is just creepy to me.

I tend to agree that it is kinda creepy! Ok. Really creepy!

[cacnotcam]

probably everyone in Orlando has now just because of this case. lol

Yeah! No lie! You live in Orlando!!?? Well, you MUST know KC then!! I so would too! Mine is already but if I was in their shoes, heck yeah, I would!

[armywife210]

Yeah! No lie! You live in Orlando!!?? Well, you MUST know KC then!! I so would too! Mine is already but if I was in their shoes, heck yeah, I would!

Yea, but don't they know it's all about US NOSY PEOPLE?

[Pondering Mind]

Is this someone that just has the name P as a first initial on the area or did you actually find the last name associated with this profile as well?

That's what I would like to know. If anyone even knows what the last name is? I refuse to pull a "Cindy" and drag more innocent people into this. :waitasec:

[cacnotcam]

Yea, but don't they know it's all about US NOSY PEOPLE?

Hey! We are not just nosey!!! We are better than nosey! We are actually trying to get somewhere with this mess!! But yeah...A little nosey too for sure!! :crazy:

[cacnotcam]

That's what I would like to know. If anyone even knows what the last name is? I refuse to pull a "Cindy" and drag more innocent people into this. :waitasec:

I agree. :clap:

[Pondering Mind]

No thye have not, he arrived at the jail with his father. Casey in the very end of the clip after he hung hup said something to the affect of "oh god now I remember who he is"

I will reserve my opinions as this would turn into a religous debate and that is far from what we are here to do :)

This is from an essay by Francis Bacon, century's old. It is about death and how men fear it.

Here is a wiki on it:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Essays_(Francis_Bacon)

Perhaps they were there for no other reason than the fact that PB went to school with Casey and to offer support. (I have no sympathy for her, but far be it for me to judge someone with a bigger heart than myself)

[cacnotcam]

Perhaps they were there for no other reason than the fact that PB went to school with Casey and to offer support. (I have no sympathy for her, but far be it for me to judge someone with a bigger heart than myself)

This could very well be the case! We don't know...Although some theories that some of the things he were saying sounded odd are kinda true....But either way...We just don't know. His intentions may have been just as you have said.

[Unsolved]

I also saw the Patrick other people are mentioning - so OK really look at the photo:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=41823846

Then look at this Mike Walker (remember when the Patrick who visited mentioned Mike Walker to Casey when she acted like she didn't recognize him). Look at this MW "Friend's Comments" on August 9, and it's the same picture of the Patrick above...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=20507384

This Mike Walker also has some interesting photos posing with weapons in his albums ....

[Pondering Mind]

This could very well be the case! We don't know...Although some theories that some of the things he were saying sounded odd are kinda true....But either way...We just don't know. His intentions may have been just as you have said.

For some reason I feel like Cindy may be "putting things out there" lately for others to pick up and run with to do her bidding, so to speak.

[Elphaba]

I give up... I've been defending this kid from the Louisiana murder rumor... now he gets tagged up again because of a random Patrick from Colonial high came up on Myspace with some strange quote. *sighs* The PB that visited Casey looks to be Patrick B with an S middle initial. He is listed on People Search as being from St. Cloud/ Orlando with a relative of Frank (the person that was also suppose to visit her)... and he does look like the kid in the private Myspace of the kid on the 4wheeler. I think he was just someone with Christian intent of reaching out and giving support... if there was anything more, LE would be all over him like white on rice.

[cacnotcam]

For some reason I feel like Cindy may be "putting things out there" lately for others to pick up and run with to do her bidding, so to speak.

Oh yeah but the conversation between him and KC was early on in the case and CA hadn't started her crap quite so much, if at all at that point. This is just stuff that people gathered by listening to the audio themselves.

[Friptzap]

Perhaps they were there for no other reason than the fact that PB went to school with Casey and to offer support. (I have no sympathy for her, but far be it for me to judge someone with a bigger heart than myself)

I have no clue why they went there. I can make guesses but I believe it's unimportant so I chose not to from the get go. Other than I though her reaction was funny, I really have no opinion one way or another.

[Pondering Mind]

I give up... I've been defending this kid from the Louisiana murder rumor... now he gets tagged up again because of a random Patrick from Colonial high came up on Myspace with some strange quote. *sighs* The PB that visited Casey looks to be Patrick B with an S middle initial. He is listed on People Search as being from St. Cloud/ Orlando with a relative of Frank (the person that was also suppose to visit her)... and he does look like the kid in the private Myspace of the kid on the 4wheeler. I think he was just someone with Christian intent of reaching out and giving support... if there was anything more, LE would be all over him like white on rice.

I am SO with you on that! Like I posted a minute ago, I think we will see MUCH more of it before Casey goes to trial. Anything to create doubt from the Anthony camp and I am just so over it and them. :furious:

[Pondering Mind]

Oh yeah but the conversation between him and KC was early on in the case and CA hadn't started her crap quite so much, if at all at that point. This is just stuff that people gathered by listening to the audio themselves.

I'm sure you are right, just reading today I have come across so much that makes me go hmm.

[cacnotcam]

I'm sure you are right, just reading today I have come across so much that makes me go hmm.

But either way, I pretty much thought we were done talking about PB. LOL!! Then...He comes up again!

[Pondering Mind]

But either way, I pretty much thought we were done talking about PB. LOL!! Then...He comes up again!

There is NO END to Casey's MADNESS it seems! Can you tell my nerves are wearing thin? :banghead:

[cacnotcam]

There is NO END to Casey's MADNESS it seems! Can you tell my nerves are wearing thin? :banghead:

You are not alone there!

[Pondering Mind]

You are not alone there!

WE will end up in the "Asylum" while Cindy keeps trying to throw others under the bus and Casey will still be batting her eyelashes at JB. I pray that they find this baby soon for everyones sake.

[EastSideOfSaddness]

I give up... I've been defending this kid from the Louisiana murder rumor... now he gets tagged up again because of a random Patrick from Colonial high came up on Myspace with some strange quote. *sighs* The PB that visited Casey looks to be Patrick B with an S middle initial. He is listed on People Search as being from St. Cloud/ Orlando with a relative of Frank (the person that was also suppose to visit her)... and he does look like the kid in the private Myspace of the kid on the 4wheeler. I think he was just someone with Christian intent of reaching out and giving support... if there was anything more, LE would be all over him like white on rice.

Thank you Elphaba! I couldn't agree more.

[cacnotcam]

WE will end up in the "Asylum" while Cindy keeps trying to throw others under the bus and Casey will still be batting her eyelashes at JB. I pray that they find this baby soon for everyones sake.

Here we go!! :bananalama:

[Pondering Mind]

Here we go!! :bananalama:

:clap:I needed that! Logic and Casey are just as much strangers as the Truth and Casey and it really is making me crazy! I have to keep reminding myself that it's a good thing that we can't think like her! :blowkiss:

[cacnotcam]

:clap:I needed that! Logic and Casey are just as much strangers as the Truth and Casey and it really is making me crazy! I have to keep reminding myself that it's a good thing that we can't think like her! :blowkiss:

Ha!! No problem!! I need to remind myself of that for sanitys sake often! Here is one more for good measure!! :Banane15:

[Unsolved]

I give up... I've been defending this kid from the Louisiana murder rumor... .

I understand the aggravation, but humor me and look at my post #95 again just for the heck of it. If you look at the picture of the Patrick in the link I posted and then the Mike Walker link I posted, check out the July 16 comment by the same Patrick guy that mentions LSU - weird huh?

[cacnotcam]

I understand the aggravation, but humor me and look at my post #95 again just for the heck of it. If you look at the picture of the Patrick in the link I posted and then the Mike Walker link I posted, check out the July 16 comment by the same Patrick guy that mentions LSU - weird huh?

Well, they are connected (as friends) but I'm not sure anyone was ever arguing that they were....Or am I wrong on that?

[Pondering Mind]

Well, they are connected (as friends) but I'm not sure anyone was ever arguing that they were....Or am I wrong on that?

I guess that is exactly what I was thinking. I just don't see anything more than that. Am I missing something?

[cacnotcam]

I guess that is exactly what I was thinking. I just don't see anything more than that. Am I missing something?

I guess cause the MW dude has guns and violence in his page! :eek: Sorry. I'm not trying to be rude towards anyone but I fail to see how that should reflect on PB!

[Elphaba]

I understand the aggravation, but humor me and look at my post #95 again just for the heck of it. If you look at the picture of the Patrick in the link I posted and then the Mike Walker link I posted, check out the July 16 comment by the same Patrick guy that mentions LSU - weird huh?

Given that his last name is Cajun... the LSU mention wouldn't surprise me.

[Unsolved]

Well, they are connected (as friends) but I'm not sure anyone was ever arguing that they were....Or am I wrong on that?

Sorry all, she/he was mentioning defending Patrick against the Louisiana murder rumor and I just wanted to be sure that the 7/16 mention of Lousiana by Patrick was seen (LSU = Louisiana State University), that's all. I really must need to go on to bed now, because stupid things have started looking like brilliant deductions to me - until I look at them again LOL.

[Pondering Mind]

I guess cause the MW dude has guns and violence in his page! :eek: Sorry. I'm not trying to be rude towards anyone but I fail to see how that should reflect on PB!

I have a 23 year old son that has a 3 yr. old daughter. If someone saw his MySpace page that did not know him, I shudder to think what they may think. Nothing terrible and no guns but things that I don't care for. But as he tells me..that why it's called My Space. Sometimes I think that is just an outlet for self expression and nothing more.

[DotsEyes]

How does it go "when I was a prisoner, you visited me."?

He is just a nice guy, trying to do good by visiting an old schoolmate who is in trouble.

[cacnotcam]

I have a 23 year old son that has a 3 yr. old daughter. If someone saw his MySpace page that did not know him, I shudder to think what they may think. Nothing terrible and no guns but things that I don't care for. But as he tells me..that why it's called My Space. Sometimes I think that is just an outlet for self expression and nothing more.

Yep. Soooo Many people I know have very off the wall Myspace pages....OMG. I have one friend in mind. If I didn't know him and know that he was kidding, I would be worried!

[Pondering Mind]

Yep. Soooo Many people I know have very off the wall Myspace pages....OMG. I have one friend in mind. If I didn't know him and know that he was kidding, I would be worried!

I know, and while I don't understand it, guns and such seem to be very popular on MS. With that said, I didn't mean any disrespect to you Unsolved,:blowkiss: I really do think I just need to quit reading for a few days!

[CaliKid]

I have a 23 year old son that has a 3 yr. old daughter. If someone saw his MySpace page that did not know him, I shudder to think what they may think. Nothing terrible and no guns but things that I don't care for. But as he tells me..that why it's called My Space. Sometimes I think that is just an outlet for self expression and nothing more.

Oh, my son's MySpace is dreadful. He's not in any kind of gang by a long shot, but it has this gang wannabe look that I can't stand. He has the same opinion- it's "his space" to do whatever he wants.

[eg@gm]

Another thing though...people that are guilty of something do not go to the police station throwing their real names out there.

[Capri]

Another thing though...people that are guilty of something do not go to the police station throwing their real names out there.

or generally take their father with them.

A little more to help clarify. (note middle initials):

Patrick S. B. =22 yrs. old, Orlando (relative Frank)

Patrick B. B. = 20 yrs. old, Denham Springs, LA

(not saying public records can't be wrong, but this is what's out there, do one of the free searches, if you want to verify)

[Elphaba]

or generally take their father with them.

A little more to help clarify. (note middle initials):

Patrick S. B. =22 yrs. old, Orlando (relative Frank)

Patrick B. B. = 20 yrs. old, Denham Springs, LA

(not saying public records can't be wrong, but this is what's out there, do one of the free searches, if you want to verify)

It is definitely 2 different people... the Denham Springs guy is the one wanted for murder, not the Patrick that visited Casey. I don't even know the kid and I feel for him (the patrick that visited Casey)... it has to be horrible to wake up and find that people are calling you a murderer, online. :(

[cacnotcam]

It is definitely 2 different people... the Denham Springs guy is the one wanted for murder, not the Patrick that visited Casey. I don't even know the kid and I feel for him (the patrick that visited Casey)... it has to be horrible to wake up and find that people are calling you a murderer, online. :(

OMG! I didn't even realize that is what people were implying! Wow....Yeah def two different people!!

[3girls]

Just thought I would throw this in to the conversation. I posted it last night in the rumors thread I think. Has to do with Patrick and the Louisiana murder.

[Elphaba]

3girls, that site is off limits for posting on Websleuths... but that is where the murder rumors cropped up from and unfortunately an innocent person is getting called a murderer thanks to it. :(

[servingothers]

or generally take their father with them.

A little more to help clarify. (note middle initials):

Patrick S. B. =22 yrs. old, Orlando (relative Frank)

Patrick B. B. = 20 yrs. old, Denham Springs, LA

(not saying public records can't be wrong, but this is what's out there, do one of the free searches, if you want to verify)

Hi, I am from Bourgeois country and there are many Patricks around here in Tiger land (LSU)
but I cannot wonder about this PB because he just throws out there "hey you know MW and then continues on to something else. It was almost like a code or a hint or something-----it was just strange the way it came out in his describing who he (PB) is. Like because he mentioned MW that it was a clue to who he PB was. Strange, strange, strange,------strange visit.

[babycat]

Hi, I am from Bourgeois country and there are many Patricks around here in Tiger land (LSU)
but I cannot wonder about this PB because he just throws out there "hey you know MW and then continues on to something else. It was almost like a code or a hint or something-----it was just strange the way it came out in his describing who he (PB) is. Like because he mentioned MW that it was a clue to who he PB was. Strange, strange, strange,------strange visit.

I think he could be just socially awkward, and the awkward pauses are what made it seem "out of place" or "code like". I don't think it is any code at all. He might have said Mike Walker because Mike was popular through sports or something, and knew that Casey would know him.

I also live near LA- and here in Biloxi, too, I know at least 4 Bourgeois personally, none that claim to be related. I worked at an office, and we had more Bourgeois and Boudreauxs files in our cabinets than Smiths ;)

I just hate to see this innocent guy linked to a murder he didn't commit.

I feel like the whole thing is...well...:other_beatingA_Dead

;)

[EastSideOfSaddness]

I think he could be just socially awkward, and the awkward pauses are what made it seem "out of place" or "code like". I don't think it is any code at all. He might have said Mike Walker because Mike was popular through sports or something, and knew that Casey would know him.

I also live near LA- and here in Biloxi, too, I know at least 4 Bourgeois personally, none that claim to be related. I worked at an office, and we had more Bourgeois and Boudreauxs files in our cabinets than Smiths ;)

I just hate to see this innocent guy linked to a murder he didn't commit.

I feel like the whole thing is...well...:other_beatingA_Dead

;)

I agree. Also, why are some pinning him as a nerd/geek unpopular. We don't even know this person. geeeeez :bang:

[HappyChic727]

I think he could be just socially awkward, and the awkward pauses are what made it seem "out of place" or "code like". I don't think it is any code at all. He might have said Mike Walker because Mike was popular through sports or something, and knew that Casey would know him.

I also live near LA- and here in Biloxi, too, I know at least 4 Bourgeois personally, none that claim to be related. I worked at an office, and we had more Bourgeois and Boudreauxs files in our cabinets than Smiths ;)

I just hate to see this innocent guy linked to a murder he didn't commit.

I feel like the whole thing is...well...:other_beatingA_Dead

;)Yeah but . . .

I, personally, can't get past this bizarre jailhouse visit. KC was very ignorant to her own family and friend over the phone in the beginning, using profanities left and right. Someone said that she would have to "okay" her visitors. PB was scheduled to come with FB, but FB didn't show. There is an FB in the Orlando area who owns a charter boat company for which he has a website: www.alwaysfishing.com. Stay with me here. So KC okays a visit from someone she supposedly does not know or remember but let's just say that maybe she thinks that he knows where Caylee is and decides to play along. She's like well I can't see you and I don't remember you . . . oh MW, now you have jogged my memory, and he says to hold my head up high (I'll have to keep that in memory to use while I'm walking out of jail) and oh you want to be on my team, well that means an absolute lot and i'm okay for the minute but thank you for your support. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? If I was in jail for what she was in jail for, and was as nasty as she could be, and some geek from high school came to bother me at the jail to say he'll support me, I don't think I'd be quite so sugary sweet to him. There is a reason she allowed the visit. There is a reason for everything that he said. It was a message, LOUD AND CLEAR. The message was: Keep your mouth shut. We are out here.

And for the record:


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11672672

Look at this guy's display name. It made my hinky meter rise after reading Waltzing Matilda's dream about a child drowning in a bathtub, when being watched by someone while KC and her boyfriend were out.

Of course, it could be a total (but very weird) coincidence or maybe this guy is aware that his name is out there and he put throw everyone off. It's still weird. Does anyone know where the video is of PB? I'd like to compare pics. Thanks!

[Elley Mae]

If you listen to the jail house phone call between Casey and Lee, at the end Casey says " I need to call it a night" Not "I need to call Mike" A lot of people thought she said the second, including Mike, for some reason Patrick should up who is a friend of Mike's. I don't believe it is any more than that. He found out quick enough that Casey hardly recognized him. IMO It was a misunderstanding.

[mommya]

Yeah but . . .

I, personally, can't get past this bizarre jailhouse visit. KC was very ignorant to her own family and friend over the phone in the beginning, using profanities left and right. Someone said that she would have to "okay" her visitors. PB was scheduled to come with FB, but FB didn't show. There is an FB in the Orlando area who owns a charter boat company for which he has a website: www.alwaysfishing.com. Stay with me here. So KC okays a visit from someone she supposedly does not know or remember but let's just say that maybe she thinks that he knows where Caylee is and decides to play along. She's like well I can't see you and I don't remember you . . . oh MW, now you have jogged my memory, and he says to hold my head up high (I'll have to keep that in memory to use while I'm walking out of jail) and oh you want to be on my team, well that means an absolute lot and i'm okay for the minute but thank you for your support. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? If I was in jail for what she was in jail for, and was as nasty as she could be, and some geek from high school came to bother me at the jail to say he'll support me, I don't think I'd be quite so sugary sweet to him. There is a reason she allowed the visit. There is a reason for everything that he said. It was a message, LOUD AND CLEAR. The message was: Keep your mouth shut. We are out here.

And for the record:


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11672672

Look at this guy's display name. It made my hinky meter rise after reading Waltzing Matilda's dream about a child drowning in a bathtub, when being watched by someone while KC and her boyfriend were out.

Of course, it could be a total (but very weird) coincidence or maybe this guy is aware that his name is out there and he put throw everyone off. It's still weird. Does anyone know where the video is of PB? I'd like to compare pics. Thanks!

Is that person's myspace something relevant? Who is it?

[Capri]

HappyChic-

Not sure if you are aware, or not, but the myspace you link isn't the Patrick that visited KC. Just sayin'...

[Capri]

I think he could be just socially awkward, and the awkward pauses are what made it seem "out of place" or "code like". I don't think it is any code at all. He might have said Mike Walker because Mike was popular through sports or something, and knew that Casey would know him.

I also live near LA- and here in Biloxi, too, I know at least 4 Bourgeois personally, none that claim to be related. I worked at an office, and we had more Bourgeois and Boudreauxs files in our cabinets than Smiths ;)

I just hate to see this innocent guy linked to a murder he didn't commit.

I feel like the whole thing is...well...:other_beatingA_Dead

;)

Totally agree on the socially awkward part, and that's what a lot of people are picking up on, IMHO, it's just that, awkwardness.

[babycat]

Yeah but . . .

I, personally, can't get past this bizarre jailhouse visit. KC was very ignorant to her own family and friend over the phone in the beginning, using profanities left and right. Someone said that she would have to "okay" her visitors. PB was scheduled to come with FB, but FB didn't show. There is an FB in the Orlando area who owns a charter boat company for which he has a website: www.alwaysfishing.com (http://www.alwaysfishing.com). Stay with me here. So KC okays a visit from someone she supposedly does not know or remember but let's just say that maybe she thinks that he knows where Caylee is and decides to play along. She's like well I can't see you and I don't remember you . . . oh MW, now you have jogged my memory, and he says to hold my head up high (I'll have to keep that in memory to use while I'm walking out of jail) and oh you want to be on my team, well that means an absolute lot and i'm okay for the minute but thank you for your support. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? If I was in jail for what she was in jail for, and was as nasty as she could be, and some geek from high school came to bother me at the jail to say he'll support me, I don't think I'd be quite so sugary sweet to him. There is a reason she allowed the visit. There is a reason for everything that he said. It was a message, LOUD AND CLEAR. The message was: Keep your mouth shut. We are out here.

And for the record:


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11672672

Look at this guy's display name. It made my hinky meter rise after reading Waltzing Matilda's dream about a child drowning in a bathtub, when being watched by someone while KC and her boyfriend were out.

Of course, it could be a total (but very weird) coincidence or maybe this guy is aware that his name is out there and he put throw everyone off. It's still weird. Does anyone know where the video is of PB? I'd like to compare pics. Thanks!

That guys myspace has nothing to do with this case at all. See my previous post- there are tons of Bourgeois in Louisiana, and on the gulf coast. There is definitely more than one P. Bourgeois. This one has nothing to do with anything.

Also, I do appreciate you walking me through your theory, but please understand that I still can't really base my opinion on you feeling "hinky" about a dream that another poster had...i feel like I have a responsibility (to the innocent people being dragged into the case) to base my opinion on fact or evidence.

I think your theory really does "think outside the box", and that's awesome ..that's important. But using that same logic, she could have thought just thought she recognized the name of a visitor, and was curious, and wanted to see who it was. I'm sure she didn't immediately think that people would just come out of the woodwork and try to visit her. THEN they had her start approving her visitors, so random visits weren't used up by her family. Even if she did pre-approve him, she could have thought that name was anyone- someone on her lawyer's staff, etc. Or she could have been unaware of how many visits she was allowed, and though, "Hey, 15 minutes out of my cell. Fine by me."

I hope no one thinks I'm picking on this guy by calling him socially awkward- we have ALL had those awkward moments:) I honestly think that he was sitting at home, thought, "Oh, gosh! I went to high school with that girl!" and being in some form of ministry, thought he could lend support, or get her to confess, or something. I don't even think he knew her that well. I think he got there, saw that she didn't remember him, didn't really know what to say, and maybe even regretted going;)

I fully trust that the police have looked at ALL of her visitors very, very carefully, and they have far greater tools than we have when it comes to checking out people's backgrounds. I'm sure they've looked into this, as well as M Walker, and realized it was a dead end, thus no interviewing PB, etc.

I do appreciate seeing your side of things, though :blowkiss:

[HappyChic727]

Is that person's myspace something relevant? Who is it?
HIs name is PB.

[HappyChic727]

HappyChic-

Not sure if you are aware, or not, but the myspace you link isn't the Patrick that visited KC. Just sayin'...
Okay, is there a picture of him somewhere? There is a pic of a PB (supposedly) on MW's myspace page - they don't look the same so you are probably right but it really threw me for a loop!:crazy:

[HappyChic727]

That guys myspace has nothing to do with this case at all. See my previous post- there are tons of Bourgeois in Louisiana, and on the gulf coast. There is definitely more than one P. Bourgeois. This one has nothing to do with anything.

Also, I do appreciate you walking me through your theory, but please understand that I still can't really base my opinion on you feeling "hinky" about a dream that another poster had...i feel like I have a responsibility (to the innocent people being dragged into the case) to base my opinion on fact or evidence.

I think your theory really does "think outside the box", and that's awesome ..that's important. But using that same logic, she could have thought just thought she recognized the name of a visitor, and was curious, and wanted to see who it was. I'm sure she didn't immediately think that people would just come out of the woodwork and try to visit her. THEN they had her start approving her visitors, so random visits weren't used up by her family. Even if she did pre-approve him, she could have thought that name was anyone- someone on her lawyer's staff, etc. Or she could have been unaware of how many visits she was allowed, and though, "Hey, 15 minutes out of my cell. Fine by me."

I hope no one thinks I'm picking on this guy by calling him socially awkward- we have ALL had those awkward moments:) I honestly think that he was sitting at home, thought, "Oh, gosh! I went to high school with that girl!" and being in some form of ministry, thought he could lend support, or get her to confess, or something. I don't even think he knew her that well. I think he got there, saw that she didn't remember him, didn't really know what to say, and maybe even regretted going;)

I fully trust that the police have looked at ALL of her visitors very, very carefully, and they have far greater tools than we have when it comes to checking out people's backgrounds. I'm sure they've looked into this, as well as M Walker, and realized it was a dead end, thus no interviewing PB, etc.

I do appreciate seeing your side of things, though :blowkiss:
We are all in this together! We have to look at all sides. That's true. I know about the facts but I also know that the airport records could be wrong (people log in the information) and the dna results could be wrong (but probably not) and that the smell in KC's car did not come from the pizza but definitely a dead body. I am just hoping that it wasn't Caylee's dead body. I look at the video of her reading her book and singing her song at the nursing home and to think that her life could have been taken from her just hours or days after that video is just a horrible thought. I know that kids die at the hands of their parents. I'm just not so sure this one did. I've also listened to the backward speech videos and they make me think that KC didn't do anything to Caylee, but of course, that is not concrete evidence.

Have a good night. I must hit the bed early tonight as I have to go in to work early tomorrow!

[Capri]

Okay, is there a picture of him somewhere? There is a pic of a PB (supposedly) on MW's myspace page - they don't look the same so you are probably right but it really threw me for a loop!:crazy:
The pic i've seen is the same as the one on MW's myspace, guy on a 4-wheeler type. Look on MW's myspace and PB posted a comment mid-Aug. saying thanks, u a tru friend, something like that. you'll find it. :)

[Mom of Five]

Yeah but . . .


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11672672

Look at this guy's display name. It made my hinky meter rise after reading Waltzing Matilda's dream about a child drowning in a bathtub, when being watched by someone while KC and her boyfriend were out.

Of course, it could be a total (but very weird) coincidence or maybe this guy is aware that his name is out there and he put throw everyone off. It's still weird. Does anyone know where the video is of PB? I'd like to compare pics. Thanks!

He is referring to himself as "the kid who drowned in the bathtub"

[SeriouslySearching]

What does this person in Louisiana have to do with anything in this case and why are we dragging him through the mud now?! Maybe a mod could go back and delete his links so we don't continue allowing another innocent person to get thrown into this case. We should be more responsible, imo.

[Pondering Mind]

Yeah but . . .

I, personally, can't get past this bizarre jailhouse visit. KC was very ignorant to her own family and friend over the phone in the beginning, using profanities left and right. Someone said that she would have to "okay" her visitors. PB was scheduled to come with FB, but FB didn't show. There is an FB in the Orlando area who owns a charter boat company for which he has a website: www.alwaysfishing.com. Stay with me here. So KC okays a visit from someone she supposedly does not know or remember but let's just say that maybe she thinks that he knows where Caylee is and decides to play along. She's like well I can't see you and I don't remember you . . . oh MW, now you have jogged my memory, and he says to hold my head up high (I'll have to keep that in memory to use while I'm walking out of jail) and oh you want to be on my team, well that means an absolute lot and i'm okay for the minute but thank you for your support. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? If I was in jail for what she was in jail for, and was as nasty as she could be, and some geek from high school came to bother me at the jail to say he'll support me, I don't think I'd be quite so sugary sweet to him. There is a reason she allowed the visit. There is a reason for everything that he said. It was a message, LOUD AND CLEAR. The message was: Keep your mouth shut. We are out here.

And for the record:



Look at this guy's display name. It made my hinky meter rise after reading Waltzing Matilda's dream about a child drowning in a bathtub, when being watched by someone while KC and her boyfriend were out.

Of course, it could be a total (but very weird) coincidence or maybe this guy is aware that his name is out there and he put throw everyone off. It's still weird. Does anyone know where the video is of PB? I'd like to compare pics. Thanks!

I'm not good with links, but if you see post #80 in this thread THAT is the PB that went to see Casey. The pic is clear enough that you can tell that it is the same person in the jailhouse video. IMHO, nothing whatsoever hinky, just an awkward little guy offering support. (obviously with a much bigger heart than myself!)

[Blink34]

I dont mean to offend anyone, but hasnt this guy been run down several times two months ago? He's not even a material witness; this myspace is not even his- just trying to keep it fair for peeps with an unfortunate name match in this case.

[cfromcanada]

What does this person in Louisiana have to do with anything in this case and why are we dragging him through the mud now?! Maybe a mod could go back and delete his links so we don't continue allowing another innocent person to get thrown into this case. We should be more responsible, imo.

I agree. It's getting almost embarrassing. I just hope I was never in line behind her somewhere!

[Unsolved]

So KC okays a visit from someone she supposedly does not know or remember but let's just say that maybe she thinks that he knows where Caylee is and decides to play along. She's like well I can't see you and I don't remember you . . . oh MW, now you have jogged my memory, and he says to hold my head up high (I'll have to keep that in memory to use while I'm walking out of jail) and oh you want to be on my team, well that means an absolute lot and i'm okay for the minute but thank you for your support. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? If I was in jail for what she was in jail for, and was as nasty as she could be, and some geek from high school came to bother me at the jail to say he'll support me, I don't think I'd be quite so sugary sweet to him. There is a reason she allowed the visit. There is a reason for everything that he said. It was a message, LOUD AND CLEAR. The message was: Keep your mouth shut. We are out here.


I debated "beating this dead horse" one more time (surely it should be glue by now) :) , but couldn't resist, sorry.

Remember in the 7/16 call from jail when KC spoke with Cindy, Lee and Kristina, while trying to get Tony's number KC mentions to Kristina "I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days".

I too think that PB's visit was all about MW wanting to give KC a message. Maybe MW didn't want to be personally connected by a record of a jail visit to KC (ya think). So he sent PB to deliver it for him?

"Now I know who this kid is"

[Pondering Mind]

I debated "beating this dead horse" one more time (surely it should be glue by now) :) , but couldn't resist, sorry.

Remember in the 7/16 call from jail when KC spoke with Cindy, Lee and Kristina, while trying to get Tony's number KC mentions to Kristina "I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days".

I too think that PB's visit was all about MW wanting to give KC a message. Maybe MW didn't want to be personally connected by a record of a jail visit to KC (ya think). So he sent PB to deliver it for him?

"Now I know who this kid is"

Not trying to be difficult Unsolved :) but I just went back and listened to that 7/16 phone call again from beginning to end and NOWHERE does Casey say anything about trying to call Mike B. I also tried to restrain myself from commenting again concerning PB, but this has gotten SO FAR over the top, people are posting several wrong MySpace pages and quotes that don't exist that I felt I had to post again in defense of this little guy. To be honest, I think this thread should be locked (but that is certainly not for me to decide) since to my knowledge LE has made no reference to this guy at all. I just have an extremely difficult time reading this stuff that is simply not true. Please go back and listen to that phone call again. No hard feelings I hope? :blowkiss:

[babycat]

We are all in this together! We have to look at all sides. That's true. I know about the facts but I also know that the airport records could be wrong (people log in the information) and the dna results could be wrong (but probably not) and that the smell in KC's car did not come from the pizza but definitely a dead body. I am just hoping that it wasn't Caylee's dead body. I look at the video of her reading her book and singing her song at the nursing home and to think that her life could have been taken from her just hours or days after that video is just a horrible thought. I know that kids die at the hands of their parents. I'm just not so sure this one did. I've also listened to the backward speech videos and they make me think that KC didn't do anything to Caylee, but of course, that is not concrete evidence.

Have a good night. I must hit the bed early tonight as I have to go in to work early tomorrow!


I totally understand.

I have those same feelings when I watch the nursing home videos...it's absolutely heart wrenching:(

Sleep well!

[HappyChic727]

He is referring to himself as "the kid who drowned in the bathtub"
Yeah but isn't that weird?

[HappyChic727]

What does this person in Louisiana have to do with anything in this case and why are we dragging him through the mud now?! Maybe a mod could go back and delete his links so we don't continue allowing another innocent person to get thrown into this case. We should be more responsible, imo.
His name is PB.

[HappyChic727]

I debated "beating this dead horse" one more time (surely it should be glue by now) :) , but couldn't resist, sorry.

Remember in the 7/16 call from jail when KC spoke with Cindy, Lee and Kristina, while trying to get Tony's number KC mentions to Kristina "I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days".

I too think that PB's visit was all about MW wanting to give KC a message. Maybe MW didn't want to be personally connected by a record of a jail visit to KC (ya think). So he sent PB to deliver it for him?

"Now I know who this kid is"She said she wanted to actually close her eyes (as in getting some sleep).

[HappyChic727]

I'm not good with links, but if you see post #80 in this thread THAT is the PB that went to see Casey. The pic is clear enough that you can tell that it is the same person in the jailhouse video. IMHO, nothing whatsoever hinky, just an awkward little guy offering support. (obviously with a much bigger heart than myself!)Okay so do you have a link to the jailhouse video with PB in it? I would love to see it.

I apologize to the guy who drowned in the bathtub in Louisiana who has the same name as PB but I am only trying to find answers to this very complicated but intriguing case where the main character does not talk. That leaves us to our own resources. There is a 2 year old (hopefully 3 year old now) missing and Ms. Caylee is somewhere, whether she is dead or alive, and I am looking for any clues that I can get to find her. Her mother and grandparents and uncle are not doing that and doesn't that just pee you off? It does me, unless there really is a protection issue, which I am hoping is the case because that would mean that Caylee is possibly alive.

[Elphaba]

At this point and time there is not one person with the name Patrick B involved in the investigative part of Casey's case. His existence is moot to the dynamics of the case because he shows up nowhere in the witness list... he was just a random visitor, IMO... and this is definitely nothing more than beating a dead horse over and over. I only spoke up after a blogger slandered the kid and called him a murderer and it was reported on the boards, bringing this thread back to the top. I laid out the info to show that the Patrick B that visited Casey is pretty much not the PB wanted for murder in Louisiana... hoping it would put an end to the discussion about this young man. Maybe it's time to close the thread, because it seems to be drifting off in directions that are of no connection to Casey, Caylee and the case.
(Just my opinion... sorry if it steps on anyones toes)

[Friptzap]

At this point and time there is not one person with the name Patrick B involved in the investigative part of Casey's case. His existence is moot to the dynamics of the case because he shows up nowhere in the witness list... he was just a random visitor, IMO... and this is definitely nothing more than beating a dead horse over and over. I only spoke up after a blogger slandered the kid and called him a murderer and it was reported on the boards, bringing this thread back to the top. I laid out the info to show that the Patrick B that visited Casey is pretty much not the PB wanted for murder in Louisiana... hoping it would put an end to the discussion about this young man. Maybe it's time to close the thread, because it seems to be drifting off in directions that are of no connection to Casey, Caylee and the case.
(Just my opinion... sorry if it steps on anyones toes)

I whole hartedly agree and I am being seriously dishartened by this forum with so many WS'rs incriminating people, it's one thing to ask questions and have theories it is another to post those questions and theories as fact. And it is totally different to mix up people and start to think they are someone else and post about them as if they actually are that someone else such as with the situation you are mentioning. It has gotten out of hand. There is so much on this on this forum I am not sure how one would go about cleaning it all up.

Maybe we need a forum wipe. Move all topics off the board to the locked board and everyone start fresh on new threads and state some fresh boundaries?