Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #16

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around Nancy has her own forum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165), there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.


Newbies.....

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I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872).

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Christine - bumping back to the top !

[headndownstream]

I just read some discussion about the vic cards. I have one from my local grocery store. I discovered something. I wanted to receive the stores coupons via email. To do this I had to register at the stores website, which I did, using the ID number on my vic card.

At this point I discovered I could view every purchase I had ever made at that store (including the time and date). It was actually quite creepy. For an outsider looking in, they would know if I owned a dog or cat, if I or my spouse colored our hair, how much alcohol I purchased, if I smoked or was trying to quit, if I had a baby, or children, incontinence problems, or if I was pre or post menopausal, this list could go on and on. What do you think of THAT?

[raisincharlie]

I just read some discussion about the vic cards. I have one from my local grocery store. I discovered something. I wanted to receive the stores coupons via email. To do this I had to register at the stores website, which I did, using the ID number on my vic card.

At this point I discovered I could view every purchase I had ever made at that store (including the time and date). It was actually quite creepy. For an outsider looking in, they would know if I owned a dog or cat, if I or my spouse colored our hair, how much alcohol I purchased, if I smoked or was trying to quit, if I had a baby, or children, incontinence problems, or if I was pre or post menopausal, this list could go on and on. What do you think of THAT?

Big Brother Creepy

[FullDisclosure]

I just read some discussion about the vic cards. I have one from my local grocery store. I discovered something. I wanted to receive the stores coupons via email. To do this I had to register at the stores website, which I did, using the ID number on my vic card.

At this point I discovered I could view every purchase I had ever made at that store (including the time and date). It was actually quite creepy. For an outsider looking in, they would know if I owned a dog or cat, if I or my spouse colored our hair, how much alcohol I purchased, if I smoked or was trying to quit, if I had a baby, or children, incontinence problems, or if I was pre or post menopausal, this list could go on and on. What do you think of THAT?

HDS, that is precisely the reason that some people refuse to have "customer loyalty cards" as they're called. I hate that my grocer has so much information on me, but I feel like most markets have made it almost impossible to refuse the "discounts" the card entitles -- (I really see it more as they up the price for the non-card-holders and not a discount, but that's another conversation).

[carolinalady]

I just read some discussion about the vic cards. I have one from my local grocery store. I discovered something. I wanted to receive the stores coupons via email. To do this I had to register at the stores website, which I did, using the ID number on my vic card.

At this point I discovered I could view every purchase I had ever made at that store (including the time and date). It was actually quite creepy. For an outsider looking in, they would know if I owned a dog or cat, if I or my spouse colored our hair, how much alcohol I purchased, if I smoked or was trying to quit, if I had a baby, or children, incontinence problems, or if I was pre or post menopausal, this list could go on and on. What do you think of THAT?

And like I mentioned earlier, w/ most grocery loyalty cards, you are linked by your phone number. Therefore, someone really could get their purchases linked to your account IF they knew your phone number. Not saying that's what happened in this case, I'm just saying that it is plausible that there could be purchases on an account that the cardholder did not make.

[carolinalady]

Oh w/ all this talk of the distinct color of her running shoes, I decided to pay attention to running shoes over the past 2 days. I saw white w/ various color accents, gray w/ various color accents. I also saw lots that were predominantly light blue, bright green, black, red, etc. I have never paid attention to peoples' shoes while running. So, I don't think her running shoes were so unique that someone would have noticed right away.

[FullDisclosure]

And like I mentioned earlier, w/ most grocery loyalty cards, you are linked by your phone number. Therefore, someone really could get their purchases linked to your account IF they knew your phone number. Not saying that's what happened in this case, I'm just saying that it is plausible that there could be purchases on an account that the cardholder did not make.

eep--that part IS a problem--never thought of it that way--yikes! :eek:

[carolinalady]

eep--that part IS a problem--never thought of it that way--yikes! :eek:

I guess that's where the video footage would come in. And the video evidence would need to clearly show that person or something distinguishing about that person. I guess they could also use it to see if there was CC/Debit purchase and see if names matched.

[KTaylorsc]

Good morning everyone...wow quiet today

[FullDisclosure]

Oh w/ all this talk of the distinct color of her running shoes, I decided to pay attention to running shoes over the past 2 days. I saw white w/ various color accents, gray w/ various color accents. I also saw lots that were predominantly light blue, bright green, black, red, etc. I have never paid attention to peoples' shoes while running. So, I don't think her running shoes were so unique that someone would have noticed right away.

Thanks for that, Carolinalady--and I just finished reading the last of the thread from last night after I went to bed--don't know how to transfer posts over, but I agree with the people who say that she could have been out that morning and not noticed. A runner looks like a runner who looks like any other runner unless they TRY to draw attention to themselves. I run on the trails here near my home and that is the case.

As for her friends not seeing her out:

I live in a development much like Nancy's and I can think of at least 20 families right off the top of my head (the ones closest to me primarily) that I know well and ALWAYS greet when I see them outside. Sometimes when I go out for a run I see one, sometimes I see several. Sometimes I don't see ANYONE that I know, only other "random runners" that all meld together....

Just because nobody has said they saw her that morning does not mean she wasn't out for a run, IMO.

[KTaylorsc]

ITA...when I go to the gym I don't really memorize what everyone was wearing and the only people I really pay attention to are the "regulars" (the ones that I see alot when I am there or who I have had classes with) I could see noone seeing her.

[KTaylorsc]

Can we take on the possibility that someone else killed Nancy?

What if it were some random sicko who gets his jollies off on hurting women. She didn't have any money on her that we know of, no car, no cell phone. That's the only reason someone would hurt her.

[carolinalady]

ITA...when I go to the gym I don't really memorize what everyone was wearing and the only people I really pay attention to are the "regulars" (the ones that I see alot when I am there or who I have had classes with) I could see noone seeing her.

I do try and say hello as I pass other runners/walkers. However, if I was asked how many people I saw and what they looked like, I wouldn't have a clue.

I also didn't think BC's statement that she had on tshirt, shorts, and light blue running shoes to be strange. I have one pair of shoes I run in, but lots of different tops & bottoms. If my husband were asked what I was wearing when I left the house, he'd probably be very general in the description of the top and bottom, but chances are he would remember the color of my shoes (since they are the only ones).

[FullDisclosure]

I do try and say hello as I pass other runners/walkers. However, if I was asked how many people I saw and what they looked like, I wouldn't have a clue.

I also didn't think BC's statement that she had on tshirt, shorts, and light blue running shoes to be strange. I have one pair of shoes I run in, but lots of different tops & bottoms. If my husband were asked what I was wearing when I left the house, he'd probably be very general in the description of the top and bottom, but chances are he would remember the color of my shoes (since they are the only ones).

I agree 100%

[KTaylorsc]

I do try and say hello as I pass other runners/walkers. However, if I was asked how many people I saw and what they looked like, I wouldn't have a clue.

I also didn't think BC's statement that she had on tshirt, shorts, and light blue running shoes to be strange. I have one pair of shoes I run in, but lots of different tops & bottoms. If my husband were asked what I was wearing when I left the house, he'd probably be very general in the description of the top and bottom, but chances are he would remember the color of my shoes (since they are the only ones).

exactly! My hubby wouldn't have a clue what I wore, but I only have one pair of tennis shoes and I only wear them to the gym. I can see him saying a t-shirt and shorts as well. Men aren't nearly as observant as we are *LOL*

[KTaylorsc]

Then there's always the possibility that Brad hired someone to kill Nancy...

[carolinalady]

Then there's always the possibility that Brad hired someone to kill Nancy...

Or someone that might want to get even w/ him.

[KTaylorsc]

Or someone that might want to get even w/ him.

could be...maybe he slept with the wrong person's wife.

[RoughlyCollie]

Then there's always the possibility that Brad hired someone to kill Nancy...

I agree that is possible, but I think that possibility is slim.

What I can't figure out is how does an upper middle class, well-educated guy go about finding someone to kill his wife for him. It has to be someone who will actually do it and won't tell.

I've been thinking about this. If I wanted to hire someone to kill my husband (which I would *not* do), I would have no clue how to go about it.

First, my circle of friends does not include people who would kill for money or for fun.

Second, I can't imagine I would just go to a bad area of a big city and start asking around. For one thing, I would stick out like a sore thumb and definitely be memorable both in appearance and for the question.

Third, if I asked any of my friends for advice on how to do this, or for references, I'm 100% certain they would tell DH and call the police. I would do the same if the situation were reversed.

So how can a person like BC go about finding someone to kill his wife? Any ideas?

RC

[mollymalone]

KTaylorsc
What if it were some random sicko who gets his jollies off on hurting women. She didn't have any money on her that we know of, no car, no cell phone. That's the only reason someone would hurt her.


Not the only reason, there's rape, she fought back and was killed as a result or the person didn't want to be identified by his victim. Someone out for a thrill kill or a gang member carrying out a killing as an initiation.

Other than her husband as a suspect, I'd say the first, not the second.

[SusieClue]

And like I mentioned earlier, w/ most grocery loyalty cards, you are linked by your phone number. Therefore, someone really could get their purchases linked to your account IF they knew your phone number. Not saying that's what happened in this case, I'm just saying that it is plausible that there could be purchases on an account that the cardholder did not make.

Wow. I really don't like the whole big brother thing at all. What if when you sign up, you give a fake phone number? Fake address? Then you just get the discounts without the coupons.....

[carolinalady]

Wow. I really don't like the whole big brother thing at all. What if when you sign up, you give a fake phone number? Fake address? Then you just get the discounts without the coupons.....

Big brother is everywhere. Think about it. When you go to Target to return something and oops, you don't have the receipt. You can give them your credit or debit card and they find that purchase for you.

Or, at certain stores that share info on returns, if you are a chronic returner, they can deny your return.

[Sewing_Buddy]

Can we take on the possibility that someone else killed Nancy?

What if it were some random sicko who gets his jollies off on hurting women. She didn't have any money on her that we know of, no car, no cell phone. That's the only reason someone would hurt her.

Any ideas on how a sicko could stage the scene where the body was found to make investigators believe it's not a random act?
I seem to remember at one of the press conferences that the chief said it was safe for people to go outside - don't remember her exact words.

[FullDisclosure]

Any ideas on how a sicko could stage the scene where the body was found to make investigators believe it's not a random act?
I seem to remember at one of the press conferences that the chief said it was safe for people to go outside - don't remember her exact words.

SB, Did LE say not a random act or isolated incident? I honestly can't remember, and I could go back and search, but if someone knows and can site it that would be great.

The reason I ask is I believe they are different. Not random may mean she likely knows her killer. Isolated may mean there has only been this one incident. Maybe I'm mincing words....what do you guys think?

And if it was "not random" my question is HOW could they tell so quickly?

[Just the Fax]

Any ideas on how a sicko could stage the scene where the body was found to make investigators believe it's not a random act?
I seem to remember at one of the press conferences that the chief said it was safe for people to go outside - don't remember her exact words.

The cops believe the murder was an isolated incident. How do they know this ? Because they believe the victim knew her killer. That is another reason why they classed this homicide as 'non-random'.

The cops have a dilemma. They don't want to name a POI or a suspect for many reasons, including the fact the terms are inflammatory and can impead his chance at a fair trial. On the other hand, they don't want the public alarmed that there is a mad killer on the loose that snatches female runners off the road and kills them.

[FullDisclosure]

The cops believe the murder was an isolated incident. How do they know this ? Because they believe the victim knew her killer. That is another reason why they classed this homicide as 'non-random'.

The cops have a dilemma. They don't want to name a POI or a suspect for many reasons, including the fact the terms are inflammatory and can impead his chance at a fair trial. On the other hand, they don't want the public alarmed that there is a mad killer on the loose that snatches female runners off the road and kills them.

Thanks, JTF. I did a google search after my last post and it was very easy to see that LE had said "not random" as well as "isolated." Shoulda done that before asking--I'll blame it on the fact that I'm sick and running a fever :(

So, just wondering, do you guys think it was classified that way because of NC's body (condition, site, etc) or some other factors?

[Sewing_Buddy]

SB, Did LE say not a random act or isolated incident? I honestly can't remember, and I could go back and search, but if someone knows and can site it that would be great.

The reason I ask is I believe they are different. Not random may mean she likely knows her killer. Isolated may mean there has only been this one incident. Maybe I'm mincing words....what do you guys think?

And if it was "not random" my question is HOW could they tell so quickly?

I went back and listened to the video (the first one after identifying Nancy's body) and the Chief calls it both an "isolated incident" and a "random act". She stresses they have nothing to indicate it was anything but an isolated incident.

[macd]

Discussed on an earlier thread, but worth mentioning again.

The location where the body was found is outside of Cary city limits.
The Cooper residence is inside of Cary city limits.

Since the Cary Police are leading the investigation, it's easy to guess where the investigators think the crime scene is.

[KTaylorsc]

then what the heck are they waiting for? If they have evidence that BC is the killer why haven't they arrested him yet?


not being rude I just wanna know why in the heck they would wait if they have the evidence?

[FullDisclosure]

I went back and listened to the video (the first one after identifying Nancy's body) and the Chief calls it both an "isolated incident" and a "random act". She stresses they have nothing to indicate it was anything but an isolated incident.

I went back and listened also, just now. I believe she said "isolated" and 'NOT random."

[KTaylorsc]

another question...if Brad didn't kill Nancy would they have taken all those bags and boxes of evidence out of the house. If he was innocent wouldn't they have had nothing to look at?

[Sewing_Buddy]

I went back and listened also, just now. I believe she said "isolated" and 'NOT random."

That's what I meant: she used the term "isolated" at one point and "not random" later. Does that mean she's using them as synonyms?

[The Saint]

could be...maybe he slept with the wrong person's wife.


they would kill him not her. nancy would have been in the same boat as the scorned spouse.

what about the scenario of a driver who accidentally hit and killed nancy while she was jogging. the driver panicked and dumped her body in the subdivision.

i would be more willing to accept other scenarios about what happened
if it weren't for brad's own behavior, affidavits from her friends, and brad's own affidavits.

to me, his affidavits provided a chilling glimpse into his relationship with his wife. he provided a motive with his own words.

[fran]

I'm not LE, but my guess is a seasoned detective may be able to make an intelligent observation on IF the body was attacked there or 'dumped' there. Most likely by 'foot prints' surrounding the body or leaving the scene and how the body was lying there. The positioning. ie, reference to a crime, it's called 'staging.'

Another way they may be able to make a fairly accurate observation, would be to look at the 'bottom' of the victim's shoes. Is there evidence the victim had been jogging in the surrounding area?

Last, but not least, to estimate the 'timing' of when death occurred, stomach contents and the degree it was digested.

IMO, these are the types of things overlooked by someone hastily ridding themselves of the body. PLUS, like I've said before, there's no courses to take on murder.

As one poster said during one of our cases, (highly experienced in law, I might add), the most difficult part of a murder, is disposing of the body. It's like the elephant in the middle of the room.

JMHO
fran

[The Saint]

another question...if Brad didn't kill Nancy would they have taken all those bags and boxes of evidence out of the house. If he was innocent wouldn't they have had nothing to look at?

in the news reports, LE referred to the cooper house as a possible
crime scene.

[The Saint]

then what the heck are they waiting for? If they have evidence that BC is the killer why haven't they arrested him yet?


not being rude I just wanna know why in the heck they would wait if they have the evidence?
once they make an arrest, the clock starts clicking in terms of a speedy trial.

[raisincharlie]

then what the heck are they waiting for? If they have evidence that BC is the killer why haven't they arrested him yet?


not being rude I just wanna know why in the heck they would wait if they have the evidence?

Not being rude, but it has been posted via an article that the SBI lab turn around time is 60 days. Were LE to arrest someone before they have all the lab results , would you agree that is indeed foolish ? Right now LE may indeed believe they know who and how but they are going to continue the investigation until the holes are filled in - this would include lab results and th efinal autopsy results.

Second LE will arrest when the DA is satisfied that there is sufficeint evidence to prove the case in court and after it has gone to the GJ for an indictment. LE is not prone to making a rapid arrest unless there is very little doubt that the person they suspect could be an immediate danger to the public, i.e. Lovette and Atwater are good examples.

Were LE to vary from this, it leaves the door for PC attorneys to have their screaming publicity fits.

[KTaylorsc]

allright allright allright...I've said it before but this time I really mean it...I'm going back to just reading and not posting...at least until I have a better understanding of how LE works...

[raisincharlie]

allright allright allright...I've said it before but this time I really mean it...I'm going back to just reading and not posting...at least until I have a better understanding of how LE works...

Don't do that - the best way to learn is to experience. First with these cases you must learn patience and forget about tv shows.

In time you will pick up the way things go and what the double speak actually means - stay with us.

[raisincharlie]

I'm not LE, but my guess is a seasoned detective may be able to make an intelligent observation on IF the body was attacked there or 'dumped' there. Most likely by 'foot prints' surrounding the body or leaving the scene and how the body was lying there. The positioning. ie, reference to a crime, it's called 'staging.'

Another way they may be able to make a fairly accurate observation, would be to look at the 'bottom' of the victim's shoes. Is there evidence the victim had been jogging in the surrounding area?

Last, but not least, to estimate the 'timing' of when death occurred, stomach contents and the degree it was digested.

IMO, these are the types of things overlooked by someone hastily ridding themselves of the body. PLUS, like I've said before, there's no courses to take on murder.

As one poster said during one of our cases, (highly experienced in law, I might add), the most difficult part of a murder, is disposing of the body. It's like the elephant in the middle of the room.

JMHO
fran

Just to add a few things - the lack of visuals is also telling - for example around the body - are there signs of a struggle in the dirt - broken vegetation, is there a visible path showing either the body rolled or someone carried it. Blood smear versus droplets if blood is present on the body. Indeed the absence of the surrounding dirt and vegatation on the soles of the feet is also telling. There is a great deal that can be seen, but often it is what is not seen that tells the tale.

[sues]

then what the heck are they waiting for? If they have evidence that BC is the killer why haven't they arrested him yet?


not being rude I just wanna know why in the heck they would wait if they have the evidence?

I think they would claim "not random" based on very little evidence since they don't want people to panic.

They might base it alone on the facts that there haven't been similar killings in the area, combined with the fact that she was going through an ugly divorce. Not enough to arrest someone, but probably enough to say they think it's not random.

[sues]

they would kill him not her. nancy would have been in the same boat as the scorned spouse.

what about the scenario of a driver who accidentally hit and killed nancy while she was jogging. the driver panicked and dumped her body in the subdivision.

i would be more willing to accept other scenarios about what happened
if it weren't for brad's own behavior, affidavits from her friends, and brad's own affidavits.

to me, his affidavits provided a chilling glimpse into his relationship with his wife. he provided a motive with his own words.

I don't think that's likely. In this case, the person would be more likely to "hit and run". It would be unlikely for a driver to pick up the dead body and transport it elsewhere, being more likely to be caught.

Same with a gang member initiation...why transport the body? Unlikely

A rape situation? Possibly. A random murderer? Possibly, but why move the body? Brad? Possibly. A scorned lover? Possibly.

[jumpstreet]

OK, SG, You want recent? Here you go. Heather had another affair after Brad. The wife of that man (who I think is the one who is suing her for alienation of affection), was called by LE for questioning last week. Don't ask because I can't tell..

Do we know any more about this one?

Is it just me, or does it seem like a real wrinkle for LE to be directly questioning this particular woman? (If BC's affair with HM was several years ago as stated, I'm not sure I see why HM's subsequent extra-marital activities would be directly relevant)

Do we know the timeframe for HM's "other" affair referenced? (Is it recent, or some years ago, or don't know?)

Anyway, for some reason, this datapoint (if true) is giving me pause.

[raisincharlie]

Discussed on an earlier thread, but worth mentioning again.

The location where the body was found is outside of Cary city limits.
The Cooper residence is inside of Cary city limits.

Since the Cary Police are leading the investigation, it's easy to guess where the investigators think the crime scene is.

I agree.

[raisincharlie]

Do we know any more about this one?

Is it just me, or does it seem like a real wrinkle for LE to be directly questioning this particular woman? (If BC's affair with HM was several years ago as stated, I don't see why HM's recent activities would be directly relevant)

Do we know the timeframe for HM's "other" affair referenced? (Is it recent, or some years ago, or don't know?)

Anyway, for some reason, this datapoint (if true) is giving me pause.

Since we don't know who it is, her relationship to Nancy; if there is one, or her relationaship to Brad; if there is one - I don't see it as a wrinkle or anything that at this point can be indicative of anything. Too many puzzle pieces for that one for me.

At this point in time if LE has interviewed less than 50 people I would be surprised...

[Deduction]

SB, Did LE say not a random act or isolated incident? I honestly can't remember, and I could go back and search, but if someone knows and can site it that would be great.

The reason I ask is I believe they are different. Not random may mean she likely knows her killer. Isolated may mean there has only been this one incident. Maybe I'm mincing words....what do you guys think?

And if it was "not random" my question is HOW could they tell so quickly?

Good discussion, I am also wondering how they could determine so quickly it was not random. I can not help but feel a small part of that is to keep down fear. They know that is the way it usually turns out, and why set off alarms.

[momto3kids]

I got the chance to see the video again with SKY 5 hoovering over the site NC was found...
Last night as some of you know, I went at dark to see how much lighting there would be in the cul-de-sac. I couldn't answer if the light that was in the cul-de-sac last night was there before NC was found.

It WAS there prior to NC being found. It you go to 'media links' #9-Sky 5 video.....it shows up a few times, but @ 49 seconds it is very clear.

This then answers about the lights. I am positive most anyone could have driven with their headlights off with the brightness of the lights. I did it.

[carolinalady]

Originally Posted by macd View Post
Discussed on an earlier thread, but worth mentioning again.

The location where the body was found is outside of Cary city limits.
The Cooper residence is inside of Cary city limits.

Since the Cary Police are leading the investigation, it's easy to guess where the investigators think the crime scene is.

Originally posted by raisincharlie

I agree.

I just want to point out that in the WRAL interview w/ Sheriff Harrison, he said that IF the body turned out to be Nancy Cooper, the investigation would be turned over to the CPD since they had the case on her or something to that effect. This was the night the body was found, before it was ruled a homicide and before her body was ID'd.

[raisincharlie]

I just want to point out that in the WRAL interview w/ Sheriff Harrison, he said that IF the body turned out to be Nancy Cooper, the investigation would be turned over to the CPD since they had the case on her or something to that effect. This was the night the body was found, before it was ruled a homicide and before her body was ID'd.

I'm glad he did this - 20 months and WCSO still hasn't solved their big non-random murder.

[carolinalady]

Posted by KTaylorsc
could be...maybe he slept with the wrong person's wife.

they would kill him not her. nancy would have been in the same boat as the scorned spouse.

what about the scenario of a driver who accidentally hit and killed nancy while she was jogging. the driver panicked and dumped her body in the subdivision.

i would be more willing to accept other scenarios about what happened
if it weren't for brad's own behavior, affidavits from her friends, and brad's own affidavits.

to me, his affidavits provided a chilling glimpse into his relationship with his wife. he provided a motive with his own words.

I don't know. If someone wanted to hurt Brad as badly as he hurt them, I could see someone hurting Nancy.

[reddress58]

Do we know any more about this one?

Is it just me, or does it seem like a real wrinkle for LE to be directly questioning this particular woman? (If BC's affair with HM was several years ago as stated, I'm not sure I see why HM's subsequent extra-marital activities would be directly relevant)

Do we know the timeframe for HM's "other" affair referenced? (Is it recent, or some years ago, or don't know?)

Anyway, for some reason, this datapoint (if true) is giving me pause.
She and NC WERE friends at one time...kids went to same preschool. She got mad at NC because NC knew about the affair between HM and the woman's husband and didn't tell the woman.

[raisincharlie]

She and NC WERE friends at one time...kids went to same preschool. She got mad at NC because NC knew about the affair between HM and the woman's husband and didn't tell the woman.

Would this by chance be the same woman that called Nancy to tell her Brad was having an affair - not with Metour but more recently if you know?

[reddress58]

Would this by chance be the same woman that called Nancy to tell her Brad was having an affair - not with Metour but more recently if you know?
I do not believe so, no. I think the woman who called Nancy was the actual woman who HAD the affair with Brad. I'll check affidavits.

[raisincharlie]

I'm not LE, but my guess is a seasoned detective may be able to make an intelligent observation on IF the body was attacked there or 'dumped' there. Most likely by 'foot prints' surrounding the body or leaving the scene and how the body was lying there. The positioning. ie, reference to a crime, it's called 'staging.'

Another way they may be able to make a fairly accurate observation, would be to look at the 'bottom' of the victim's shoes. Is there evidence the victim had been jogging in the surrounding area?

Last, but not least, to estimate the 'timing' of when death occurred, stomach contents and the degree it was digested.

IMO, these are the types of things overlooked by someone hastily ridding themselves of the body. PLUS, like I've said before, there's no courses to take on murder.

As one poster said during one of our cases, (highly experienced in law, I might add), the most difficult part of a murder, is disposing of the body. It's like the elephant in the middle of the room.

JMHO
fran

Fran - one other thing in this case - we do know dogs were brought in. It seems safe to reach a conclusion that the tracking dogs specifically did not track a running Nancy to the location in which she was found. We don't know if the dogs tracked her or not actually but what we do know is there was nothing that led them to the recovery scene which seems to indicate Nancy was indeed transported to that location and did not go there of her own choosing. And yeah I know, dog tracking is seldom admissable in court but for search purposes and for aiming LE - they work pretty well.

[raisincharlie]

I do not believe so, no. I think the woman who called Nancy was the actual woman who HAD the affair with Brad. I'll check affidavits.

Not necessary to check the affidavits Reddress but I will ask you this - perhaps it is possible this woman had an affair with Brad ? You don't need to answer if you feel this is too speculative of an area and you would rather not. I can drop it with no problem.

[lunarmodule]

I just read some discussion about the vic cards. I have one from my local grocery store. I discovered something. I wanted to receive the stores coupons via email. To do this I had to register at the stores website, which I did, using the ID number on my vic card.

At this point I discovered I could view every purchase I had ever made at that store (including the time and date). It was actually quite creepy. For an outsider looking in, they would know if I owned a dog or cat, if I or my spouse colored our hair, how much alcohol I purchased, if I smoked or was trying to quit, if I had a baby, or children, incontinence problems, or if I was pre or post menopausal, this list could go on and on. What do you think of THAT?

Hi, there. Your post made me curious. I have a VIC card but never registered for the emails so I just did so. How did you view your purchases from there? I couldn't find the link.

I guess I want to creep myself out!

[reddress58]

Not necessary to check the affidavits Reddress but I will ask you this - perhaps it is possible this woman had an affair with Brad ? You don't need to answer if you feel this is too speculative of an area and you would rather not. I can drop it with no problem.
I did not get that impression at all because she and Nancy were both "victimized" by HM. And I also know this woman is now remarried.

[raisincharlie]

I did not get that impression at all because she and Nancy were both "victimized" by HM. And I also know this woman is now remarried.

Got it, thank you.:)

[SusieClue]

Do we know any more about this one?

Is it just me, or does it seem like a real wrinkle for LE to be directly questioning this particular woman? (If BC's affair with HM was several years ago as stated, I'm not sure I see why HM's subsequent extra-marital activities would be directly relevant)

Do we know the timeframe for HM's "other" affair referenced? (Is it recent, or some years ago, or don't know?)

Anyway, for some reason, this datapoint (if true) is giving me pause.

My opinion is that in questioning this other scorned wife - maybe LE is just looking to corroborate her husband's (Heather's lover) statements about what he has heard Heather say about Brad. Especially seeing as how they may not put much stock in the integrity of this cheating spouse (the husband). Just an idea. I believe - with no facts to back up, just woman's intuition, that he must have had a fling with one of his coworkers during his MBA trip to France. If those pix are still on his website, http://www.theadventuresofbrad.com you can look for yourself to see if you can find the girl I am referencing...she looks much younger - she has long wavy light brown hair...one of the pix of her she is suited up in rock climbing gear. jmho.

edited to say: looks like he took his site down...that naughty, naughty boy...I wonder why?

[fran]

Fran - one other thing in this case - we do know dogs were brought in. It seems safe to reach a conclusion that the tracking dogs specifically did not track a running Nancy to the location in which she was found. We don't know if the dogs tracked her or not actually but what we do know is there was nothing that led them to the recovery scene which seems to indicate Nancy was indeed transported to that location and did not go there of her own choosing. And yeah I know, dog tracking is seldom admissable in court but for search purposes and for aiming LE - they work pretty well.

I didn't think of that Charlie, good point!

So many things a killer, looking to dispose of a body, just doesn't think of.

Details....

fran

[SusieClue]

Fran - one other thing in this case - we do know dogs were brought in. It seems safe to reach a conclusion that the tracking dogs specifically did not track a running Nancy to the location in which she was found. We don't know if the dogs tracked her or not actually but what we do know is there was nothing that led them to the recovery scene which seems to indicate Nancy was indeed transported to that location and did not go there of her own choosing. And yeah I know, dog tracking is seldom admissable in court but for search purposes and for aiming LE - they work pretty well.

Right, and since she didn't run there, and most likely a random killer wouldn't transport her body - that leaves our friend, BC as the most likely suspect.

[jumpstreet]

I do not believe so, no. I think the woman who called Nancy was the actual woman who HAD the affair with Brad. I'll check affidavits.

In the BC affidavit, didn't he state that his only extra-marital activity was the one with HM some year ago, and even that was a single incident?

I realize that's inconsistent with much of the information in the affidavits submitted by NC's friends, but still, it made me wonder: If this wasn't true, why would he state this explicitly in the sworn affidavit, when all it would take is one person coming forward to refute it. Why take that chance unless it was true (no other affairs)?

[raisincharlie]

Right, and since she didn't run there, and most likely a random killer wouldn't transport her body - that leaves our friend, BC as the most likely suspect.

Honestly, i don't know about that. I have zero familiarity with the area in which Nancy routinely ran so I have no idea what kind of access a random killer would have to both the trails and a vehicle at the same time. In other words - do the trails cross over streets where a car could be parked or through / near vehicular parking areas?

For no one to have seen this, a vehicle would have had to have been relatively close at hand for access and it seems to me that is a chance a random killer probably would not take - dragging a person/body to a vehicle. Were it random I would think the killer would leave her where it happened - not transport her across Holly Srings Road to dispose of her body. That does not make much sense to me anyhow. I believe LE didn't see much sense in it either.

[Tink56]

As I've been reading the last few days, I was curious about a couple of things. Maybe someone will remember or know the answers to help me out.

1) NC seemed to enjoy good wine and social drinking with friends. However, since she had Crohn's Disease, how did she tolerate the alcohol? I noticed that one of her friends even mentioned at the North Carolina service that Nancy would say something about getting everyone a drink or ???
2) Who contacted NC's parents--Law enforcement or her friends? When did they arrive--Sunday or Monday? Some have mentioned Clea Morwick's statement on Fox news about "not suspecting Brad." However, she may have already been working with Nancy's parents and sister on the emergency custody hearing. Certainly the affidavits took more than an hour's preparation.
3) How long had Nancy been back from her family vacation in South Carolina? Did she arrive home on Monday, July 7th or ????? It seems that being with her family solidified her decision to proceed with the divorce. Also, the absence, I'm sure gave Brad time to brood about the terms of the divorce as they stood in the 2nd draft of the separation agreement. Paying private school tuition for two kiddos and college is a huge expense. Many of the others were large also, but private school tuition for the primary and secondary grades probably runs anywhere between $15-20/year/child. That's after-tax money, too.
4) Did anyone else think that Nancy's father and brother (the Canadian policeman) were challenging Brad to "man-up" and confess when they were calling her killer a "coward"?
5) Although I'm glad that the CPD is being thorough, I sure wish SOMETHING would be finished or shared with the public soon--I think DNA testing is much faster these days, but it may depend on what kind of DNA tests are being run.

I'm off to run errands. Hoping some of you remember the answers to some of these better than I do. TIA! :)

[MoonFlwr]

I'm not LE, but my guess is a seasoned detective may be able to make an intelligent observation on IF the body was attacked there or 'dumped' there. Most likely by 'foot prints' surrounding the body or leaving the scene and how the body was lying there. The positioning. ie, reference to a crime, it's called 'staging.'

Another way they may be able to make a fairly accurate observation, would be to look at the 'bottom' of the victim's shoes. Is there evidence the victim had been jogging in the surrounding area?

Last, but not least, to estimate the 'timing' of when death occurred, stomach contents and the degree it was digested.

IMO, these are the types of things overlooked by someone hastily ridding themselves of the body. PLUS, like I've said before, there's no courses to take on murder.

As one poster said during one of our cases, (highly experienced in law, I might add), the most difficult part of a murder, is disposing of the body. It's like the elephant in the middle of the room.

JMHO
fran

Except for guys like Richard Kuklinski, who mastered the art.

[Tink56]

In the BC affidavit, didn't he state that his only extra-marital activity was the one with HM some year ago, and even that was a single incident?

I realize that's inconsistent with much of the information in the affidavits submitted by NC's friends, but still, it made me wonder: If this wasn't true, why would he state this explicitly in the sworn affidavit, when all it would take is one person coming forward to refute it. Why take that chance unless it was true (no other affairs)?

Isn't Brad the person who denied the affair with Heather for more than a year? He seems to rely on the druggie motto of, "Deny, deny, deny...."

Most adulterers seem to believe that their partners in crime won't talk either. Look at Scott Peterson, for instance.

[SleuthyGal]

edited to say: looks like he took his site down...that naughty, naughty boy...I wonder why?

I found it right here:

http://tinyurl.com/6ly8h5

[jumpstreet]

Isn't Brad the person who denied the affair with Heather for more than a year? He seems to rely on the druggie motto of, "Deny, deny, deny...."

Most adulterers seem to believe that their partners in crime won't talk either. Look at Scott Peterson, for instance.

Yeah, it's a good point, but I guess it just seemed to me that he gave a fair bit of thought to what he stated in the affidavit, relaying those points that (seemingly) can be substantiated / corroborated, with an emphasis on countering certain points from the plaintiff's affidavits.

it just seems an irrational & unnecessary risk to me on his part, with little to gain, if indeed it is an untruth. (He could have acknowledged/conceded the affair with HM in the affidavit, and not necessarily gone on record as saying there were no others).

OTOH, if there really were no other affairs, his statement would seem to make more (logical) sense on the surface at least, but who knows. :)

[reddress58]

In the BC affidavit, didn't he state that his only extra-marital activity was the one with HM some year ago, and even that was a single incident?

I realize that's inconsistent with much of the information in the affidavits submitted by NC's friends, but still, it made me wonder: If this wasn't true, why would he state this explicitly in the sworn affidavit, when all it would take is one person coming forward to refute it. Why take that chance unless it was true (no other affairs)?
This is what scares me. I think he would say anything at that time to get the kids back. He figured the judge would make a decision that day before anybody refuted his statements. By the time others came forward, he may be GONE with the kids! Just an opinion. We really don't know if he had other affairs; but her friends seem pretty darn sure the relationship with HM went on for awhile. HM would hold the key to that answer.

[reddress58]

I found it right here:

http://tinyurl.com/6ly8h5
How'd you find it, SG?

[reddress58]

Yeah, it's a good point, but I guess it just seemed to me that he gave a fair bit of thought to what he stated in the affidavit, relaying those points that (seemingly) can be substantiated / corroborated, with an emphasis on countering certain points from the plaintiff's affidavits.

it just seems an irrational & unnecessary risk to me on his part, with little to gain, if indeed it is an untruth. (He could have acknowledged/conceded the affair with HM in the affidavit, and not necessarily gone on record as saying there were no others).

OTOH, if there really were no other affairs, his statement would seem to make more (logical) sense on the surface at least, but who knows. :)
Warning, warning! Miss Fran is going to jump all over this!

[SleuthyGal]

How'd you find it, SG?

Ph.D. from Google University! :blowkiss:

[reddress58]

I'm just going off of memory here... but it seems to me that I read BC came clean about his affair with HM because he was called to testify in the suit against HM. Anyone else remember this? Going to go search the affidavits now...
He was going to have to testify for something, but I don't recall what for. I think the statement was in one of NC's friends' affidavits.

[reddress58]

Ph.D. from Google University! :blowkiss:
Ya can't hide from SluethyGal, Brad!!

[SusieClue]

I found it right here:

http://tinyurl.com/6ly8h5

ooohhh, you ARE good girl! thanks!

[carolinalady]

As I've been reading the last few days, I was curious about a couple of things. Maybe someone will remember or know the answers to help me out.

1) NC seemed to enjoy good wine and social drinking with friends. However, since she had Crohn's Disease, how did she tolerate the alcohol? I noticed that one of her friends even mentioned at the North Carolina service that Nancy would say something about getting everyone a drink or ???
2) Who contacted NC's parents--Law enforcement or her friends? When did they arrive--Sunday or Monday? Some have mentioned Clea Morwick's statement on Fox news about "not suspecting Brad." However, she may have already been working with Nancy's parents and sister on the emergency custody hearing. Certainly the affidavits took more than an hour's preparation.
3) How long had Nancy been back from her family vacation in South Carolina? Did she arrive home on Monday, July 7th or ????? It seems that being with her family solidified her decision to proceed with the divorce. Also, the absence, I'm sure gave Brad time to brood about the terms of the divorce as they stood in the 2nd draft of the separation agreement. Paying private school tuition for two kiddos and college is a huge expense. Many of the others were large also, but private school tuition for the primary and secondary grades probably runs anywhere between $15-20/year/child. That's after-tax money, too.
4) Did anyone else think that Nancy's father and brother (the Canadian policeman) were challenging Brad to "man-up" and confess when they were calling her killer a "coward"?
5) Although I'm glad that the CPD is being thorough, I sure wish SOMETHING would be finished or shared with the public soon--I think DNA testing is much faster these days, but it may depend on what kind of DNA tests are being run.

I'm off to run errands. Hoping some of you remember the answers to some of these better than I do. TIA! :)

Clea's statement had nothing to do w/ the Ex Parte hearing, but was for the hearing on 7/25. The affidavit was done on 7/23.

[carolinalady]

This is what scares me. I think he would say anything at that time to get the kids back. He figured the judge would make a decision that day before anybody refuted his statements. By the time others came forward, he may be GONE with the kids! Just an opinion. We really don't know if he had other affairs; but her friends seem pretty darn sure the relationship with HM went on for awhile. HM would hold the key to that answer.

I believe all of the affidavits went back & forth on 7/23 and the hearing was scheduled for 7/25 in the afternoon if I'm remembering correctly. That would've given time for plenty of the stuff to be verified.

[Bob&Bob]

I do not believe so, no. I think the woman who called Nancy was the actual woman who HAD the affair with Brad. I'll check affidavits.

Do any of these women ever keep their mouths shut?

[Tink56]

Clea's statement had nothing to do w/ the Ex Parte hearing, but was for the hearing on 7/25. The affidavit was done on 7/23.

Thanks...You're so right.

[Bob&Bob]

My opinion is that in questioning this other scorned wife - maybe LE is just looking to corroborate her husband's (Heather's lover) statements about what he has heard Heather say about Brad. Especially seeing as how they may not put much stock in the integrity of this cheating spouse (the husband). Just an idea. I believe - with no facts to back up, just woman's intuition, that he must have had a fling with one of his coworkers during his MBA trip to France. If those pix are still on his website, http://www.theadventuresofbrad.com you can look for yourself to see if you can find the girl I am referencing...she looks much younger - she has long wavy light brown hair...one of the pix of her she is suited up in rock climbing gear. jmho.

edited to say: looks like he took his site down...that naughty, naughty boy...I wonder why?

I guess all the pictures but one kind of shoots the
long sleeve vs. short sleeve theory since he likes
long sleeve shirts with an undershirt.

[ncnative]

I have said the same thing that SusieClue has said: It is obvious that Brad had a little thing going with the girl on his France MBA trip. He's right beside her in many photos, she's sporting her little cleavage, looks young and come-hither-ish, he has photos of her, her, her and more her.

SusieClue mentions her own woman's intuition. I felt it too and said so in a post a while back. I could have said it on another message board, can't remember. But yes, I noticed the young girl with the long, crimped hair.

Brad's site has him mentioning that "several of us" got to France a little ahead of time and they had a wonderful weekend sightseeing. I bet so. How convenient.

[Tink56]

I found it right here:

http://tinyurl.com/6ly8h5

Grrrrr....My anti-virus program NOD32 ESET blocks this page with the following message:

THREAT: probably a variant of
VBS/trojandropper.Bomgen.AVtrojan

INFORMATION: connection terminated-quarantined

None of the rest of you get any warnings or ?????? :confused:

[SusieClue]

Do any of these women ever keep their mouths shut?

or their legs, Bob?

[SusieClue]

I have said the same thing that SusieClue has said: It is obvious that Brad had a little thing going with the girl on his France MBA trip. He's right beside her in many photos, she's sporting her little cleavage, looks young and come-hither-ish, he has photos of her, her, her and more her.

SusieClue mentions her own woman's intuition. I felt it too and said so in a post a while back. I could have said it on another message board, can't remember. But yes, I noticed the young girl with the long, crimped hair.

Brad's site has him mentioning that "several of us" got to France a little ahead of time and they had a wonderful weekend sightseeing. I bet so. How convenient.

and it really didn't "fit in" to his completely sterile website about how AWESOME a cyclist, triathlete he is or aspires to be. IMO

[fran]

In the BC affidavit, didn't he state that his only extra-marital activity was the one with HM some year ago, and even that was a single incident?

I realize that's inconsistent with much of the information in the affidavits submitted by NC's friends, but still, it made me wonder: If this wasn't true, why would he state this explicitly in the sworn affidavit, when all it would take is one person coming forward to refute it. Why take that chance unless it was true (no other affairs)?

He put that on there, even IF NOT true, because he doesn't expect anyone to question him. He's most likely gotten through life like this up to this point. He THINKS no one knows what a conniver he is or don't catch him in lies. But he's wrong, dead wrong. Others have ALLOWED him to get away with lying and not confronting him, because a. he's sooo not worth the argument, b. the person will use him for information so will put up with his bs.

See, the problem with guys like this is they could be a big man around town, school, company, until they fall. THAT's when they see, they have NO friends AND all those who he's stepped on and stabbed in the back to get where he is today, will come back to haunt him. His worst enemy. KARMA!

Yeah, bet lot's of his unknown enemies are dropping a dime as we type. :boohoo:

JMHO
fran

[WSTarheel]

or their legs, Bob?

OMG! You crack me up SusieClue! Thanks for the much needed smile.

[fran]

Except for guys like Richard Kuklinski, who mastered the art.

OhMyGosh!

I googled that guy's name and got the Wikipedia info on him! I have seen him on A&E or something. He's very evil.

Must run in the family as his younger brother has been convicted of rape/murder.

Yeah, he knew how to get rid of a body alright. Even his very first kill.
Yes, evil:eek:

With Nancy, IMO, it MAY be the evidence found in and on the body that gets this killer caught.

fran



He, the killer,;).. knows what I mean, DONTCHA'!? Bet you're sweatin' it! :behindbar

[Bob&Bob]

I have said the same thing that SusieClue has said: It is obvious that Brad had a little thing going with the girl on his France MBA trip. He's right beside her in many photos, she's sporting her little cleavage, looks young and come-hither-ish, he has photos of her, her, her and more her.

SusieClue mentions her own woman's intuition. I felt it too and said so in a post a while back. I could have said it on another message board, can't remember. But yes, I noticed the young girl with the long, crimped hair.

Brad's site has him mentioning that "several of us" got to France a little ahead of time and they had a wonderful weekend sightseeing. I bet so. How convenient.

"come-hitherish"?

[SleuthyGal]

There are 2 different gals on that photo album and when they have their hair pulled back they look kind of alike, IMHO, so there is a pic or two where I can't decide which gal it is in the photo. Also, you'll notice that some of the pictures are repeated 2 and 3 times.

[Bob&Bob]

This summer:

Triangle Preschool 3 days/wk from 9-1=$90/wk
5 days/wk from 9-1=$130/wk

[FullDisclosure]

"come-hitherish"?

Seriously.

I just looked at the photos on the site, and I believe Brad MUST have had a thing for the tall guy with brown hair because they were close to each other in SEVERAL of the pictures and there were even a couple of photos of just him--again and again there he was with that come hitherish look!! oh, MY! Scandal!! It is OBVIOUS to anyone looking at the photos.

Seriously, folks. These are photos of a group of people on a trip. He can't help it if this chick has cleavage....maybe there was something between them, maybe there wasn't, but you cannot tell from these pictures! IF you can say that about that girl, there are a couple of guys you could say the same thing about.....oy.

[Star12]

There are 2 different gals on that photo album and when they have their hair pulled back they look kind of alike, IMHO, so there is a pic or two where I can't decide which gal it is in the photo. Also, you'll notice that some of the pictures are repeated 2 and 3 times.

I thought hey were repeats, too, but a closer inspection shows it's actually a different shot.

[Bob&Bob]

[quote=FullDisclosure;2459123]Seriously.

......He can't help it if this chick has cleavage....maybe there was something between them, maybe there wasn't, but you cannot tell from these pictures! .....quote]

Oh dear :(

[FullDisclosure]

[quote=FullDisclosure;2459123]Seriously.

......He can't help it if this chick has cleavage....maybe there was something between them, maybe there wasn't, but you cannot tell from these pictures! .....quote]

Oh dear :(

Sorry....I got a little crazy there. But it really bothers me that anyone can say a relationship is "obvious" from these photos. That is quite a leap, don'tcha think?:steamed:

[fran]

Warning, warning! Miss Fran is going to jump all over this!

LOL, are you talking about the mention of possible untruths in Brad's affidavit?:eek:

You're right...... I already did respond to a previous post talking about he wouldn't lie or something like that, in the affidavit. :rolleyes:

I honestly know how many people, especially if this is the FIRST case you've followed this closely, wouldn't believe a NOT suspect would blatantly lie on tv or police interview or on an affidavit.

But you see, that is because THAT IS WHO THEY ARE! :confused:

Their ENTIRE LIFE IS A LIE!:bang:

Those who lie under such cirumstances have been doing this their entire time on this earth and have never been called on it. They do NOT realize how OBVIOUS they are.:slap:

Their acquaintances and family have ALLOWED them to go through life lying.........But then something like this happens, or they DID it! and it comes time to pay up for all past......................:liar:, indescretions, back stabbings, everything......:loser:

No one said life is free. We all have to pay our way. One way or the other, that tab comes due. It seems it is now time for Mr. Brad to pay up!:behindbar

JMHO
fran

Oh, Hi Brad! Do YOU KNOW who your friends are? Better check again!;)

[fran]

:laugh::laugh:

Ph.D. from Google University! :blowkiss:

[Just the Fax]

Reckon Brad has found this forum and reads our posts ?
I hear he has a lot of spare time on his hands lately.

[SusieClue]

Seriously.

I just looked at the photos on the site, and I believe Brad MUST have had a thing for the tall guy with brown hair because they were close to each other in SEVERAL of the pictures and there were even a couple of photos of just him--again and again there he was with that come hitherish look!! oh, MY! Scandal!! It is OBVIOUS to anyone looking at the photos.

Seriously, folks. These are photos of a group of people on a trip. He can't help it if this chick has cleavage....maybe there was something between them, maybe there wasn't, but you cannot tell from these pictures! IF you can say that about that girl, there are a couple of guys you could say the same thing about.....oy.

Actually no. And again, I am citing woman's intuition. I am a woman. I am married. My husband did have an affair. And sometimes, you just know. Now, does that mean I am right, no. sure. But I bet I am right that he had the hots for her. It's not about her cleavage. It's everything about the pix taken as a whole. trust me.

[Bob&Bob]

[quote=Bob&Bob;2459149]

Sorry....I got a little crazy there. But it really bothers me that anyone can say a relationship is "obvious" from these photos. That is quite a leap, don'tcha think?:steamed:


I think I owe you the apology. I wasn't exactly sure
what "them" you were referring to.

Even now, I'm not really sure.

[fran]

Do any of these women ever keep their mouths shut?

NOT when it comes to murder!

:silenced:

fran

[raisincharlie]

Reckon Brad has found this forum and reads our posts ?
I hear he has a lot of spare time on his hands lately.

I hear he is working on the house so he can put it up for sale...and I think he doesn't have a computer at the moment unless he put it on his charge card, guess that's another Nancy charge :crazy:

[Bob&Bob]

<jumps a little when he hears fran>

[fran]

I have said the same thing that SusieClue has said: It is obvious that Brad had a little thing going with the girl on his France MBA trip. He's right beside her in many photos, she's sporting her little cleavage, looks young and come-hither-ish, he has photos of her, her, her and more her.

SusieClue mentions her own woman's intuition. I felt it too and said so in a post a while back. I could have said it on another message board, can't remember. But yes, I noticed the young girl with the long, crimped hair.

Brad's site has him mentioning that "several of us" got to France a little ahead of time and they had a wonderful weekend sightseeing. I bet so. How convenient.

You guys/gals are good sleuthers! I NEVER would have picked up on that without it being pointed out to me. WoW! :dance:

Guess the MURDERER better start sweatin' it big time. You all are going to have this figured out before LE. :waitasec:

Good job!
fran

[Bob&Bob]

I didn't think of that Charlie, good point!

So many things a killer, looking to dispose of a body, just doesn't think of.

Details....

fran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6NEGeLHbaI&feature=related

[Star12]

I hear he is working on the house so he can put it up for sale...and I think he doesn't have a computer at the moment unless he put it on his charge card, guess that's another Nancy charge :crazy:

well, let me tell ya, they can come in mighty handy when working with your attorney

[fran]

Grrrrr....My anti-virus program NOD32 ESET blocks this page with the following message:



None of the rest of you get any warnings or ?????? :confused:

Of course I see this AFTER I went to that site!:doh:

I sooo hope you're wrong and you got that bug somewhere else. I just my computer back from getting a virus removed. I haven't even gotten the cc bill yet!:banghead:

JMHO
fran

[FullDisclosure]

Actually no. And again, I am citing woman's intuition. I am a woman. I am married. My husband did have an affair. And sometimes, you just know. Now, does that mean I am right, no. sure. But I bet I am right that he had the hots for her. It's not about her cleavage. It's everything about the pix taken as a whole. trust me.

I have said the same thing that SusieClue has said: It is obvious that Brad had a little thing going with the girl on his France MBA trip. He's right beside her in many photos, she's sporting her little cleavage, looks young and come-hither-ish, he has photos of her, her, her and more her.

SusieClue mentions her own woman's intuition. I felt it too and said so in a post a while back. I could have said it on another message board, can't remember. But yes, I noticed the young girl with the long, crimped hair.

Brad's site has him mentioning that "several of us" got to France a little ahead of time and they had a wonderful weekend sightseeing. I bet so. How convenient.

Susie,

I understand woman's intuition, and you may pick up something there. I have NO problem with saying that. It was the other poster who ran with it and said it's "obvious" from these photos that there was "a little thing going." Sorry. That's what set me off. I've calmed down now, but I still contend that "woman's intuition" and "obvious" are worlds apart. :crazy:

Does anyone besides me see the difference? :confused:

[SusieClue]

I hear he is working on the house so he can put it up for sale...and I think he doesn't have a computer at the moment unless he put it on his charge card, guess that's another Nancy charge :crazy:

oh yeah, didn't you know? she was buying computers like mad...many still in the boxes... :rolleyes: and he'll just have to use them.

[raisincharlie]

well, let me tell ya, they can come in mighty handy when working with your attorney

Surely he can't be that busy with an attorney you reckon ? Wait - in order to talk to his girls he has to have a webcam - court ordered. 15 minute visits 4 times per week remember - yep he had to go charge another one for sure and a web cam too.

[carolinalady]

Susie,

I understand woman's intuition, and you may pick up something there. I have NO problem with saying that. It was the other poster who ran with it and said it's "obvious" from these photos that there was "a little thing going." Sorry. That's what set me off. I've calmed down now, but I still contend that "woman's intuition" and "obvious" are worlds apart. :crazy:

Does anyone besides me see the difference? :confused:

I see the difference.

[CARYISHOME]

Actually no. And again, I am citing woman's intuition. I am a woman. I am married. My husband did have an affair. And sometimes, you just know. Now, does that mean I am right, no. sure. But I bet I am right that he had the hots for her. It's not about her cleavage. It's everything about the pix taken as a whole. trust me.

Yep. Sometimes you just know. Well said.

[fran]

Reckon Brad has found this forum and reads our posts ?
I hear he has a lot of spare time on his hands lately.

Maybe, or,.... on the other hand, IF he doesn't, his attorneys may. They are registered.:rolleyes:....cute nic too.:angel:

I just don't want him to feel I'm ignoring him. :razz:

Just sayin'
fran

[Bob&Bob]

Susie,

I understand woman's intuition, and you may pick up something there. I have NO problem with saying that. It was the other poster who ran with it and said it's "obvious" from these photos that there was "a little thing going." Sorry. That's what set me off. I've calmed down now, but I still contend that "woman's intuition" and "obvious" are worlds apart. :crazy:

Does anyone besides me see the difference? :confused:

I'm still trying to figure out what you meant before.

[fran]

Actually no. And again, I am citing woman's intuition. I am a woman. I am married. My husband did have an affair. And sometimes, you just know. Now, does that mean I am right, no. sure. But I bet I am right that he had the hots for her. It's not about her cleavage. It's everything about the pix taken as a whole. trust me.

I trust you SusieClue.

Quite often women JUST KNOW these things. Especially if you've 'been there, done that,' on any part of the equation.

fran

[Star12]

:computer::computer:oh yeah, didn't you know? she was buying computers like mad...many still in the boxes... :rolleyes: and he'll just have to use them.

:computer::computer::computer::computer::computer:

[raisincharlie]

:computer::computer:

:computer::computer::computer::computer::computer:



ROFL :crazy:

[reddress58]

:computer::computer:

:computer::computer::computer::computer::computer:



You are cracking me up!:smiley4:

[fran]

<jumps a little when he hears fran>

Oh, hi! Bob&Bob!

You don't need to jump. I don't bite ya know. I'm really nice.


Just sayin'

:D

fran

[FullDisclosure]

I see the difference.

Thank you, Carolinalady.

I'm beginning to feel like nobody likes me here. And you may not, either, but thanks for saying you see the difference.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to prove that BC didn't kill his wife. I really don't know. I'm not saying that he's a saint. I'm just trying to help keep people thinking about different sides.

I'll hush now. :sheesh:

[The Saint]

I hear he is working on the house so he can put it up for sale...and I think he doesn't have a computer at the moment unless he put it on his charge card, guess that's another Nancy charge :crazy:

he has a friend nearby with a computer.

i guess ol' brad will have to do all of the painting by himself instead of ordering his wife around as she painted.

[The Saint]

Thank you, Carolinalady.

I'm beginning to feel like nobody likes me here. And you may not, either, but thanks for saying you see the difference.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to prove that BC didn't kill his wife. I really don't know. I'm not saying that he's a saint. I'm just trying to help keep people thinking about different sides.

I'll hush now. :sheesh:

believe me, he's not a Saint

[Star12]

he has a friend nearby with a computer.

i guess ol' brad will have to do all of the painting my himself instead of ordering his wife around as she painted.

HEY! we could all go over and spackle what he already has painted!

[SleuthyGal]

I don't know if he had a thing with one of the gals during his trip or not. I wasn't there. But in looking at the pictures, I could pick out 2 possible candidates that I think he might find attractive and IF there were something going on I would think it was one of those two.

[fran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6NEGeLHbaI&feature=related

:confused:Was that YOU playing the piano in that little white hat thingy?:confused:

Or do you think that's what Brad is doing now to keep himself busy?:woohoo:

fran

[SusieClue]

Thank you, Carolinalady.

I'm beginning to feel like nobody likes me here. And you may not, either, but thanks for saying you see the difference.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to prove that BC didn't kill his wife. I really don't know. I'm not saying that he's a saint. I'm just trying to help keep people thinking about different sides.

I'll hush now. :sheesh:

don't hush. I like you too. and frankly, who cares who likes who - everyone's opinion counts and is important in figuring this whole thing out...but that said. I do like you!!!!:blowkiss:

[fran]

Thank you, Carolinalady.

I'm beginning to feel like nobody likes me here. And you may not, either, but thanks for saying you see the difference.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to prove that BC didn't kill his wife. I really don't know. I'm not saying that he's a saint. I'm just trying to help keep people thinking about different sides.

I'll hush now. :sheesh:

You don't need to hush and we all see you.Oh, and hey, what's not to like?

Different opinions are what keeps the discussion going. Stay and let's discuss.......well, except I have to leave in a few, but I'll be back.

fran

[SusieClue]

:computer::computer:

:computer::computer::computer::computer::computer:

I'm dying. I love this so so much.:clap:

[FullDisclosure]

don't hush. I like you too. and frankly, who cares who likes who - everyone's opinion counts and is important in figuring this whole thing out...but that said. I do like you!!!!:blowkiss:

awwww thanks, Susie...I needed that. I may come off as a little harsh here, but in real life I'm sweeter 'n hunny :blowkiss:

edit: add fran! Wow! TWO people who said they like me! (I tried to add the blue "woot" guy here but I don't know how in edit mode. oy :)

[fran]

HEY! we could all go over and spackle what he already has painted!

Heck, I could even give him some paint. I have lots left over!:cool:

fran

[The Saint]

who is going to bring him an expensive manpurse, i mean laptop bag?

[fran]

:computer::computer:

:computer::computer::computer::computer::computer:

I agree with the others. I think Star12 should get POST OF THE DAY!

:)
fran

[Star12]

I agree with the others. I think Star12 should get POST OF THE DAY!

:)
fran

:blushing: awwww

[FullDisclosure]

I'm still trying to figure out what you meant before.

okay Bobx2,

Go back and look at posts #93 and #109. See if that clears it up. Report back to me and if it didn't we'll take it from there :)

[FullDisclosure]

:confused:Was that YOU playing the piano in that little white hat thingy?:confused:

Or do you think that's what Brad is doing now to keep himself busy?:woohoo:

fran

I think maybe Bob was flirting with you, fran! :crazy:

[Deduction]

Thank you, Carolinalady.

I'm beginning to feel like nobody likes me here. And you may not, either, but thanks for saying you see the difference.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to prove that BC didn't kill his wife. I really don't know. I'm not saying that he's a saint. I'm just trying to help keep people thinking about different sides.

I'll hush now. :sheesh:


Full Disclosure, take a rest if you must, but please don't leave us here alone.
You know we are few and far between. Take a rest if you must, it is hard when you seem to be fighting a loosing battle. I understand completly your purpose here, and admire what you are doing. If there are any lurkers around who believe in innocent until proven guilty we could use some help.

[carolinalady]

Thank you, Carolinalady.

I'm beginning to feel like nobody likes me here. And you may not, either, but thanks for saying you see the difference.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to prove that BC didn't kill his wife. I really don't know. I'm not saying that he's a saint. I'm just trying to help keep people thinking about different sides.

I'll hush now. :sheesh:

You're not alone, I don't think they like me either.

[FullDisclosure]

You're not alone, I don't think they like me either.

Really?? I thought you were one of the cool kids! :rolleyes:

[SleuthyGal]

Now that simply isn't true! Y'all just need to calm down a bit. We're among friends here. We're all interested in this murder case being solved. Everyone has something to contribute. Well, not Boob&Boob but everyone else, that is.

[carolinalady]

Really?? I thought you were one of the cool kids! :rolleyes:

haha! I'm a legend (in my own mind). Nah, my posts often get ignored. I just keep on posting (I like to "hear" myself talk).

[Star12]

comic relief?

[WSTarheel]

Now that simply isn't true! Y'all just need to calm down a bit. We're among friends here. We're all interested in this murder case being solved. Everyone has something to contribute. Well, not Boob&Boob but everyone else, that is.

ACK! I beg to differ... B&B is my favorite poster. This is a grim topic and B&B adds a little humor which is VERY much needed.

[FullDisclosure]

comic relief?

2 Bobs walked into a bar....:crazy:

[FullDisclosure]

ACK! I beg to differ... Boob&Boob is my favorite poster. This is a grim topic and B&B adds a little humor which is VERY much needed.

I agree! I LOVE me some 2 Bobs!

[Star12]

2 Bobs walked into a bar....:crazy:

YES!

oh, the possibilities!

[carolinalady]

I loved the friend's blog that Bob&Bob found. It was basically a cooking blog. It gave a little peek into the neighborhood.

[Bob&Bob]

:confused:Was that YOU playing the piano in that little white hat thingy?:confused:

Or do you think that's what Brad is doing now to keep himself busy?:woohoo:

fran

I was playing the sax fran.

[Bob&Bob]

I agree with the others. I think Star12 should get POST OF THE DAY!

:)
fran

I think Star12 should get post of the week (except for
the license tag posts)

[Bob&Bob]

I loved the friend's blog that Bob&Bob found. It was basically a cooking blog. It gave a little peek into the neighborhood.

I don't think I found that.

[carolinalady]

I don't think I found that.

Well, maybe you had the witty commentary about the wine...haha.

I know you gave me advice about laundry though! :crazy:

[Sewing_Buddy]

Now that simply isn't true! Y'all just need to calm down a bit. We're among friends here. We're all interested in this murder case being solved. Everyone has something to contribute. Well, not Boob&Boob but everyone else, that is.

Y'all are starting to sound like the kids I deal with.....speaking of which, I'm going to miss staying in touch when it's back to work tomorrow.

It's almost overwhelming to be gone for several hours at a time and then have to catch up on all of the posts. I don't know how I'll survive 8 hours with no "sleuthing"!!!

[Bob&Bob]

Well, maybe you had the witty commentary about the wine...haha.

I know you gave me advice about laundry though! :crazy:

Well I'd like to take credit for it but I haven't been
witty since I voted for Ike.

[carolinalady]

Well I'd like to take credit for it but I haven't been
witty since I voted for Ike.

Bob, It was you. Thread 11 post #2.

[Bob&Bob]

awwww thanks, Susie...I needed that. I may come off as a little harsh here, but in real life I'm sweeter 'n hunny :blowkiss:

edit: add fran! Wow! TWO people who said they like me! (I tried to add the blue "woot" guy here but I don't know how in edit mode. oy :)


Hang on to this moment FD.
<---voice of experience

[Bob&Bob]

Well, maybe you had the witty commentary about the wine...haha.

I know you gave me advice about laundry though! :crazy:


HAHAHAHA laundry advice.

How far I have travelled.

[FullDisclosure]

Hang on to this moment FD.
<---voice of experience

eep :eek:

I'll remember it forever....

[Bob&Bob]

Well, maybe you had the witty commentary about the wine...haha.

I know you gave me advice about laundry though! :crazy:


Had I been drinking wine?

[ncnative]

I'm still with SusieClue on the girl with the crimped hair (and she was the one in the mountain climbing gear, and the one beside Brad in the multiple shots of the group in a tiny apartment type of room) on the France trip. It's not hard to tell the difference in that girl and the other girl with the frizzy, puffy long hair.

It has been mentioned (and I can't cite it right now) that he had an affair with one of the women on that trip. I'll wager dollars to donuts on this one.

Also, I have said before, I met Heather Metour in December. I wasn't impressed. She was across the street from my friend's home, outside looking for something to do. She even so much as invited herself over and tried to engage in our visit. She seemed err...lacking in something to do. Maybe she was between lovers at that time, or her child was home so she couldn't run around with other people's husbands. She seemed "horsey" to me. Good luck figuring that out.

[runnermomof5]

I think that all of you people are just wonderful!
I enjoy reading every single one of your posts.
Even the 2 Bob's!
I hardly ever post, but when I do, you are all most kind.
I especially thought of Nancy this weekend when I went for my long run. I arrived at the park and only 2 cars were there and I did not recognize either car. It was early in the morning, isolated, and kind of spooky. I sat there debating, should I get out and run, should I wait until more cars are here, should I wait and see who belongs to those cars?? Anyway, what happened to Nancy has stayed with me and will continue to stay with me for a long time. I don't think that her case was an isolated incident, or random, or whatever was said by the Police Chief. IMO, her husband should be the prime suspect.

[reddress58]

I think that all of you people are just wonderful!
I enjoy reading every single one of your posts.
Even the 2 Bob's!
I hardly ever post, but when I do, you are all most kind.
I especially thought of Nancy this weekend when I went for my long run. I arrived at the park and only 2 cars were there and I did not recognize either car. It was early in the morning, isolated, and kind of spooky. I sat there debating, should I get out and run, should I wait until more cars are here, should I wait and see who belongs to those cars?? Anyway, what happened to Nancy has stayed with me and will continue to stay with me for a long time. I don't think that her case was an isolated incident, or random, or whatever was said by the Police Chief. IMO, her husband should be the prime suspect.
...and he IS, Runnermom. But I'm glad you are being careful and more aware of your surroundings. Even though I believe it's isolated too; I pay a lot more attention than I ever did before.

[lunarmodule]

I remember looking at the "Adventures of Brad" shortly after the link was posted...that had to have been right after the body was found. Looking at the France pictures, I said to myself, "Who's the cutie in all these pictures?" I said to my lunch buddies "Look at this, he's got a thing for this girl." Obviously he selected the pictures to post...and there were just too many of a cute, curly-headed gal--some by herself--to not be obvious. This was before any affidavits or anything were public.

A woman's intuition...

[SleuthyGal]

Women's intuition is some powerful juju! Survival of the species wouldn't have been possible without having a good intuition! (cf "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker)

[fran]

FWIW, I would hope that everyone, long-time members of Websleuth and Newbies as well, will continue to post here and know that no one does not like anyone here. We don't even know you. :crazy:

We're here to discuss this case. Yes, sometimes we add a little humor, which is fine with me. ;)

LOL, you can only say 'the hubby did it!' so many ways, after all and then it gets pretty boring. :rolleyes: OK! j/k

We need both sides of the issue here as well. We've had cases before, even ehhh........sorry.........the Peterson case where many posters were on the fence until the trial and well into the trial. That case I think it was the tapes of the LYING suspect that pushed many over the fence.

But the point is, SOMEONE has to think the hubby didn't do it. He needs to get a fair trial,.........well..........IF there is one!

Ok, everyone knows where I stand. I've seen this too many times. I do NOT always think the hubby did it, or the parents or whatever. BUT, many of these cases have the same signs......it's like they're all mapped out.

People are innocent, until proven guilty. But that's in a court of law. This is a messge board where we discuss 'opinions.' We can agree to disagree from both sides of the fence. That's why we're here.

Oh, and sometimes it seems like you're being ignored because no one responds to you. Hey, I've had that happen to me time after time. I just keep talking and eventually someone finally sees I'm still here! :waitasec:...

We want everyone who's interested to contribute. Yes, even Bob&Bob. I find his humor, well...........HUMOROUS :woohoo:..........we all contribute our little part........

Ok, now {group hug} :)

JMHO
fran

[Bob&Bob]

A half marathon is 13 miles.

If she was moving why was she planning on running the marathon w/Jessica Adam in August?

[fran]

I think maybe Bob was flirting with you, fran! :crazy:

Nah, he's too old for me! ;)

He's just being.............kind.:rolleyes:

fran

[fran]

I was playing the sax fran.

:confused:Really!:eek:

I'll have to go back and look again. I forgot what that one looked like.:waitasec:

fran

[Bob&Bob]

Nah, he's too old for me! ;)

He's just being.............kind.:rolleyes:

fran


When was I being kind?

[fran]

Y'all are starting to sound like the kids I deal with.....speaking of which, I'm going to miss staying in touch when it's back to work tomorrow.

It's almost overwhelming to be gone for several hours at a time and then have to catch up on all of the posts. I don't know how I'll survive 8 hours with no "sleuthing"!!!

LOL, well, we could text you if there's any breaking news!

:)
fran

[fran]

When was I being kind?

OH, yeah, I had you mixed up with someone else! ;)
I take that back. :woohoo:

fran

[OregonMommy]

Yep. Sometimes you just know. Well said.


I completely agree. I looked at those pictures, and it was soooooo obvious to me. That one with her posing while on a hike??? I have strong WI too (that's women's intuition, love it!) Also, my EX-husband had an affair - with someone he worked with - and I just knew. You just do. Why would BC NOT have an affair on that trip? His marriage was on the rocks, he has a huge ego, and she is a darling gal, most likely with some smarts, since she was getting her MBA.

[Bob&Bob]

OH, yeah, I had you mixed up with someone else! ;)
I take that back. :woohoo:

fran

You make me a little nervous fran.

[FullDisclosure]

I completely agree. I looked at those pictures, and it was soooooo obvious to me. That one with her posing while on a hike??? I have strong WI too (that's women's intuition, love it!) Also, my EX-husband had an affair - with someone he worked with - and I just knew. You just do. Why would BC NOT have an affair on that trip? His marriage was on the rocks, he has a huge ego, and she is a darling gal, most likely with some smarts, since she was getting her MBA.

Folks, let me re-iterate--WOMEN'S INTUITION DOES NOT = OBVIOUS!!

This is a public forum. This young lady is NOT on trial! (oh, WAIT, neither is BRAD at this point!) My point is this: You may have looked at those photos and suspected something. There are many photos with groups, and SEVERAL with only one person, and they aren't all her! YES, she is attractive....YES, there are photos of her....but imagine if this were YOU, or your DAUGHTER and you'd done nothing but go on a trip with a group of people and smiled for some photos and people were saying (on the WORLD WIDE WEB) that it was OBVIOUS (or even insinuating, for that matter) that you had a "thing" with a married man and you were completely innocent??

Seriously, folks....a little perspective here...

[Bob&Bob]

Folks, let me re-iterate--WOMEN'S INTUITION DOES NOT = OBVIOUS!!

This is a public forum. This young lady is NOT on trial! (oh, WAIT, neither is BRAD at this point!) My point is this: You may have looked at those photos and suspected something. There are many photos with groups, and SEVERAL with only one person, and they aren't all her! YES, she is attractive....YES, there are photos of her....but imagine if this were YOU, or your DAUGHTER and you'd done nothing but go on a trip with a group of people and smiled for some photos and people were saying (on the WORLD WIDE WEB) that it was OBVIOUS (or even insinuating, for that matter) that you had a "thing" with a married man and you were completely innocent??

Seriously, folks....a little perspective here...

Just for the record, I'd like to say that I don't have
much faith in women's intuition.

[jumpstreet]

A half marathon is 13 miles.

If she was moving why was she planning on running the marathon w/Jessica Adam in August?

Easy: the plans to run the half may have come before the (more urgent) plans to relocate (assuming there were plans for the latter).

She could have always relocated, and then returned to run the half afterwards (recollection is it was early September in Virginia) if she was really dedicated and wanted to follow through with the commitment...

OTOH, JA seems like an understanding enough friend that if NC were to have requested they postpone somewhat their prior plans to run a half together until later in the Fall, or even next Spring, given the "circumstances", I suspect she would have understood.

Then again... who knows. :)

[FullDisclosure]

Just for the record, I'd like to say that I don't have
much faith in women's intuition.

HAHAHAHA :blowkiss:

[momto3kids]

I see the forum is hopping tonight.:Jumpie:

Bob&Bob...how is your thread coming?

[Bob&Bob]

Not sure why FD is laughing.

You mean the thread that was moved?

[ncnative]

Full Disclosure, you're a bit off perspective if you can't deal with our perspectives. We are stating our opinions. 'MMmmmkay?

As to the "crimped hair girl", Oregon Mommy said she must "...have some smarts..." since she's getting her MBA. She must know that she's on that website and on this one now, along with others. Who knows. She may even have been contacted by police for various reasons. No one said she's on trial, except you, Full D.

What's the condition with Brad Cooper's left eye always looking off to the left and not focusing with the other one? Amblyopia? If so, it can be passed to children, and the children each have one eye that seems amblyopic. Just an observation. (However, children with this condition usually have to patch and wear glasses at an early age. My daughter had it. She's an adult now and just fine.) I don't know if that's what Brad Cooper's eye condition is called.

[OregonMommy]

Folks, let me re-iterate--WOMEN'S INTUITION DOES NOT = OBVIOUS!!

This is a public forum. This young lady is NOT on trial! (oh, WAIT, neither is BRAD at this point!) My point is this: You may have looked at those photos and suspected something. There are many photos with groups, and SEVERAL with only one person, and they aren't all her! YES, she is attractive....YES, there are photos of her....but imagine if this were YOU, or your DAUGHTER and you'd done nothing but go on a trip with a group of people and smiled for some photos and people were saying (on the WORLD WIDE WEB) that it was OBVIOUS (or even insinuating, for that matter) that you had a "thing" with a married man and you were completely innocent??

Seriously, folks....a little perspective here...

Ok, bring it back to the case then. Brad was in a marriage where adultery had happened at least twice (admitted), but most likely more times than that. Wasn't it March when Nancy hired the divorce attorney to get things going? I believe his France soiree was in February. Just my opinion, but I believe she was tired of the affairs - (this is where the France affair correlates to this case) - and sought council to expedite the divorce. From there, things got tough...again, admittedly so in the affadavits. Even if you are not in love with your husband anymore - knowing that he is cheating on you can make you vengeful - no doubt there was a lot of tension in that household.

[momto3kids]

Not sure why FD is laughing.

You mean the thread that was moved?


DANG...why is the server busy at this hour? :eek:

Yes B&B your thread...where is it?

[raisincharlie]

Ok, bring it back to the case then. Brad was in a marriage where adultery had happened at least twice (admitted), but most likely more times than that. Wasn't it March when Nancy hired the divorce attorney to get things going? I believe his France soiree was in February. Just my opinion, but I believe she was tired of the affairs - (this is where the France affair correlates to this case) - and sought council to expedite the divorce. From there, things got tough...again, admittedly so in the affadavits. Even if you are not in love with your husband anymore - knowing that he is cheating on you can make you vengeful - no doubt there was a lot of tension in that household.


:clap::clap::clap:

[SusieClue]

I'm sorry my words have been taken so far out of context. A woman's intuition, as I have learned, is a very powerful thing. It isn't foolproof, it isn't always accurate. But it is intuitive...to a woman. This is a huge case. As such, we are "allowed" to speculate about things. I would feel much more"muzzled" if Brad had no prior history...but as is, he has had documented relationship(s) with women outside of his marriage. So, while, I do believe in innocent until proven guilty...I don't feel bad about bringing up possible relationships that he may or may not have had during the course of his marriage to Nancy....and that is all LEGALEZE to say, I have no doubt in my mind that he was "eating the brie cheese in Paris" with fluff girl from Cisco during his MBA trip...

[OregonMommy]

:clap::clap::clap:


Thanks, Raisin Charlie. Sheez.

Well, my neighbor is here and we are going to drink wine for an hour or so and then I'll be back. (Remember, I am Oregon Mommy, so it's only 9pm!) I hate to leave...I got a warm feeling in my heart when Fran did the group hug thing.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, Raisin Charlie. Sheez.

Well, my neighbor is here and we are going to drink wine for an hour or so and then I'll be back. (Remember, I am Oregon Mommy, so it's only 9pm!) I hate to leave...I got a warm feeling in my heart when Fran did the group hug thing.

That's not a $20 bottle of wine I hope...:crazy: j/k

[OregonMommy]

I have no doubt in my mind that he was "eating the brie cheese in Paris" with fluff girl from Cisco during his MBA trip...


You are funny! I am laughing out loud rig