Sawgrass Apt's Timeline Change!

[Muzikman]

According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.

[RebeccaAdrianne]

according to wkmg local 6 a few minutes ago, the zenaida gonzalez card at sawgrass apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated june 17 not april 17 as stated in the police report.

According to wkmg, who talked to sawgrass apt. Management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

Also, the apartment casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to casey. This video report was not up on local6.com yet, i dvr'd and just watched.

super interesting!

[STEADFAST]

That is huge! Sounds like maybe Casey was setting up her lie. Then when the card was read as "April 17" it messed up her story.

[WhitneyLea]

Whoa! I wonder if anyone remembers what this "Zenaida" woman who viewed the apartment looked like?? Do you think Casey went herself, to "back up" her story, or sent someone else, or ... ??

[WhitneyLea]

That is huge! Sounds like maybe Casey was setting up her lie. Then when the card was read as "April 17" it messed up her story.

Or maybe Casey wrote April 17 ... and then someone who worked there remembered "No way it's been that long ago, it had to be June 17." I know whenever I visit an apt, they call me within 1-2 weeks like clockwork to follow up.

Oh man ... June 17 ... this could be either right BEFORE or AFTER *something* happened to Caylee ... right? Is there a consensus yet on when this something probably happened? Do we think Casey was setting up or covering her ass?? (or neither?)

[ShinaLite]

very interesting! wow.. great find muzikman..

[jdj8766]

Whoa! I wonder if anyone remembers what this "Zenaida" woman who viewed the apartment looked like?? Do you think Casey went herself, to "back up" her story, or sent someone else, or ... ??

The police contacted the women who filled out the card and she denied knowing Casey. Also, Casey didn't recognize her when they showed her a picture.

[LI_Mom]

According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.

Refresh my memory... why was Casey ever at that complex anyway?


I still doubt anyone has anything to do with Caylee's disappearance besides her own 'good mother.'

No way would Casey's friends or acquaintances cover up a baby's murder.

[LI_Mom]

The police contacted the women who filled out the card and she denied knowing Casey. Also, Casey didn't recognize her when they showed her a picture.

Oooops... I forgot... it was a real woman.

Ok... back to the original theory.... Casey got her hands on the records & jotted down the woman's name & maybe personal info.... preparing the wild goose chase for her family & LE.

[wedavis]

According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.

You would think the affidavit would be the first read by anyone interested in this case...

The part about not being able to contact this particular ZG contradicts the affidavit, which states that LE called the number on the renter card and they talked to this ZG, who denied any knowledge of Caylee, Casey etc.

Additionally, LE showed Casey this ZG's pic and Casey didn't know her.

[ShinaLite]

Refresh my memory... why was Casey ever at that complex anyway?


Gotta assume LE is doing a handwriting analysis on the ZG card to see if they can tie it to Casey's handwriting.

I still doubt anyone has anything to do with Caylee's disappearance besides her own 'good mother.'

No way would Casey's friends or acquaintances cover up a baby's murder.

this was where she said she dropped Caylee off...
I dont think it has anything to do with Caylee's disappearance either but it would poke some holes in Casey's story (big surprise)...I think just having a ZG check out those apartments would be something the defense would use to deflect attention from the real facts or to plant some small doubt..
the date change makes that a little harder...The only ZG they can match to that place was there AFTER Caylee disappeared...

[LI_Mom]

this was where she said she dropped Caylee off...
I dont think it has anything to do with Caylee's disappearance either but it would poke some holes in Casey's story (big surprise)...I think just having a ZG check out those apartments would be something the defense would use to deflect attention from the real facts or to plant some small doubt..
the date change makes that a little harder...The only ZG they can match to that place was there AFTER Caylee disappeared...

Thanks, SL.

So I wonder why Casey would ever have been there in the first place... was she looking to rent an apt? Looking for drugs?

Would Caylee have still been alive on the 16th & 17th?? Where was Caylee from 6/15 to 6/17?

[ElizaAvalon]

The "new" date of 6/17 on the card makes even more sense to me.

I'm thinking Casey had been there to look at apartments, maybe with Amy. And Casey probably saw the name on the card.

[txsvicki]

I think Casey was Zenaida. Many of pics of the nutjob look like totally different people and she looks even different on television. Some of the pics where Casey is pursing her lips a little and wearing sunglasses she looks like a Hispanic girl. The apartment manager may be mistaken. I hope she gets online and looks at all the pics.

[Muzikman]

You would think the affidavit would be the first read by anyone interested in this case...

The part about not being able to contact this particular ZG contradicts the affidavit, which states that LE called the number on the renter card and they talked to this ZG, who denied any knowledge of Caylee, Casey etc.

Additionally, LE showed Casey this ZG's pic and Casey didn't know her.

I have been following this case since the day it hit, since I live in Orlando. I have read/watched/listened to pretty much everything to do with this case.

That's why this is a big deal if true, BECAUSE it contradicts the police report. To me, it makes it look like Casey may have been setting up her story already.

IIRC, the card had Zenaida's current address on it also, which is how the cops checked her out.

[housemouse]

My best guess is that this is the timeframe when Caylee went "missing". I type that, because it is hard to type the other obvious word.

She was, probably, setting up her latest lie to cover her sorry excuse for a self.

Casey better get right with God, in my humble opinion, and fess up to whatever happened, so she can save her soul.


Or maybe Casey wrote April 17 ... and then someone who worked there remembered "No way it's been that long ago, it had to be June 17." I know whenever I visit an apt, they call me within 1-2 weeks like clockwork to follow up.

Oh man ... June 17 ... this could be either right BEFORE or AFTER *something* happened to Caylee ... right? Is there a consensus yet on when this something probably happened? Do we think Casey was setting up or covering her ass?? (or neither?)

[wedavis]

That's why this is a big deal if true, BECAUSE it contradicts the police report. To me, it makes it look like Casey may have been setting up her story already.




I don't understand what you are getting at with this statement.

[Muzikman]

I don't understand what you are getting at with this statement.


Casey picked a name and address out of the phone book, went in herself and filled out a card with Zenaida's info, putting in a false phone number.

In other words, the beginning of her setting up the story of the "nanny".

If the date were actually April 17, how would casey have gotten Zenaida's info? Known that Z had actually been at Sawgrass?

If the date were June 17, Casey did it herself.

Make sense to you yet?

[wedavis]

According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.


I can't find this information anywhere. In order to believe this I need a link. It isn't in an article on the WKMG website.

[french75]

Casey picked a name and address out of the phone book, went in herself and filled out a card with Zenaida's info, putting in a false phone number.

In other words, the beginning of her setting up the story of the "nanny".

If the date were actually April 17, how would casey have gotten Zenaida's info? Known that Z had actually been at Sawgrass?

If the date were June 17, Casey did it herself.

Make sense to you yet?

But if she was filling it out/setting it up, she could have put *any* date. I don't understand how having this card actually helps her in any way.

[Nickelfoo]

Casey had to have known ZG had been to look at an apartment there. Forgive me if this has been answered already but did someone see her at the apartments? I have been racking my brain trying to figure out how Casey knew ZG had been there. And yes I want to say Casey went herself on 6/17 but ZG already confirmed she went herself so how did Casey possibly know that?

[tttterri]

I hope someone posts the link to this new info also. If it is true, and turned over to LE, I'm sure they can easily check the handwriting to see if it is Casey's. While I'm hoping, I hope those dogs are wrong and Caylee is somewhere safe.

[wedavis]

Casey had to have known ZG had been to look at an apartment there. Forgive me if this has been answered already but did someone see her at the apartments? I have been racking my brain trying to figure out how Casey knew ZG had been there. And yes I want to say Casey went herself on 6/17 but ZG already confirmed she went herself so how did Casey possibly know that?


The theory is Casey was there maybe with Amy (Amy was apartment looking at that time according to facebook postings) and maybe Casey saw her card, or was in the room when this ZG woman gave out her info. LE needs to go back to the leasing office and see if Amy or Casey filled out an "I'm looking" card.

But I still am not going to buy this new June date until I get a link.

[wedavis]

I hope someone posts the link to this new info also. If it is true, and turned over to LE, I'm sure they can easily check the handwriting to see if it is Casey's. While I'm hoping, I hope those dogs are wrong and Caylee is somewhere safe.

This is getting frustrating: PLEASE! Read the affidavit! (or posts about it before posting). :)

You would think the affidavit would be the first read by anyone interested in this case...

The part about not being able to contact this particular ZG contradicts the affidavit, which states that LE called the number on the renter card and they talked to this ZG, who denied any knowledge of Caylee, Casey etc.

Additionally, LE showed Casey this ZG's pic and Casey didn't know her.

For the last time...geez

[Nickelfoo]

The theory is Casey was there maybe with Amy (Amy was apartment looking at that time according to facebook postings) and maybe Casey saw her card, or was in the room when this ZG woman gave out her info. LE needs to go back to the leasing office and see if Amy or Casey filled out an "I'm looking" card.

But I still am not going to buy this new June date until I get a link.

I agree. The information coming out is crazy and many times incorrect. I am not saying by any means this is incorrect, only time will tell. Your right the question is, who else looked at apartments THAT day??

[MsRyber]

Casey picked a name and address out of the phone book, went in herself and filled out a card with Zenaida's info, putting in a false phone number.

In other words, the beginning of her setting up the story of the "nanny".

If the date were actually April 17, how would casey have gotten Zenaida's info? Known that Z had actually been at Sawgrass?

If the date were June 17, Casey did it herself.

Make sense to you yet?

That doesn't make sense to me.

The police tracked down the ZG from the Sawgrass. See Page 5 of Arrest Affidavit. She was contacted and was willing to complete a sworn statement. Casey didn't fill out the card with ZG's info. It has been confirmed that A "ZG" had filled out the card.

But that doesn't mean Casey wasn't there and had seen this. We just don't know if she was there. It is quite possible she had seen the place. The manager and maintenance person said they had never saw Caylee. (Page 4 of Arrest Affidavit) I find it interesting that they didn't confirm or deny seeing Casey (at least in what the detective mentioned in the affidavit).

[wedavis]

Casey picked a name and address out of the phone book, went in herself and filled out a card with Zenaida's info, putting in a false phone number.

In other words, the beginning of her setting up the story of the "nanny".

If the date were actually April 17, how would casey have gotten Zenaida's info? Known that Z had actually been at Sawgrass?

If the date were June 17, Casey did it herself.

Make sense to you yet?

NO! :)

Police called the ZG that filled out the card and talked to her. This ZG doesn't know Casey or Caylee.

If this new date is true all it means is that the theory about Casey having seen the card somehow recently and got the crazy idea to pin a murder on her is more believable than if Casey somehow remembered her name for three months.

[Salem]

Respectfully snipped ~
The part about not being able to contact this particular ZG contradicts the affidavit, which states that LE called the number on the renter card and they talked to this ZG, who denied any knowledge of Caylee, Casey etc.

Additionally, LE showed Casey this ZG's pic and Casey didn't know her.

Ahhhh.... but did the police show the manager, or ask the manager when Casey was with them, if they had ever seen Casey before? Maybe Casey was there the day ZG showed up to look at the apt. Why....who knows. But Casey got this info from somewhere, in my opinion. Maybe she was there for some reason...

Salem

[Sparky]

WKMG reported this at 6pm today. I heard it. It's not posted on their web site yet.

[babycat]

I would also be interested to see a link...

but it is very interesting new info, if it is true.

[babycat]

I'm sorry, I know this has already been asked, but I don't remember seeing an answer. Do they have video cameras on the premises? Or photocopy photo id's of possible renters? The complex where I live does this...

I agree that it's possible that she might have gone to the Sawgrass looking with Amy, or even on her own. I'm sure if this is true, Amy has been to LE with this info.

But the fact that the apartment she pointed out as being "ZG's" is in the building as the "floor model" apartment, is very interesting, in my opinion. I'm anxious to find out if this is true.

[wedavis]

Respectfully snipped ~

Ahhhh.... but did the police show the manager, or ask the manager when Casey was with them, if they had ever seen Casey before? Maybe Casey was there the day ZG showed up to look at the apt. Why....who knows. But Casey got this info from somewhere, in my opinion. Maybe she was there for some reason...

Salem


No Casey was not with them and they didn't ask. I don't think police care how Casey may have "made up" this name.

[Muzikman]

Re-watching this (I DVR'd it), don't know why KMG doesn't have it up on their website yet. So far it's been exclusive to them - and I watch and/or DVR ALL FOUR local station's newscasts, as each of them have come up with new details at times - although I think WESH has done the best overall so far.

They report asking the Sheriff's office about it - "Is it possible Casey went there posing as Gonzeles?" Sheriff's office replied "That cannot be ruled out." But "will not discuss significance of individual dates."

Card was Hand-written, the person that filled it out had sloppy handwriting, which is how they mis-construed that date.

So they have made investigators aware of this discrepancy, I would think they would be following up pretty quickly.

[liltigress]

This makes me wonder who works there that is friends with Casey or an accomplice in some way? That date could have been changed?

[wedavis]

This makes me wonder who works there that is friends with Casey or an accomplice in some way? That date could have been changed?

No, it would be the exact opposite. The new date would more damning AGAINST Casey.

[Truly]

Who owns this property? Sawgrass Apartments is not listed with the Florida Department of State. Who holds the deed to this property? Who is responsible for leasing these apartments? What are the actual names of the people who own/lease Sawgrass? Could this be yet another 'dummy' real estate deal? Any local person could walk into the courthouse and research the deed for this address. I would be much obliged to know who holds the deed. I would love to know the name of the person or corporation which owns/leases this particular piece of property. I cannot find it. Just like everything else in this case, it is shrouded in some inexplicable mystery.

Why did Casey lead police to Sawgrass Apartments? Who owns the place? Which specific leasing agent handled the ZG card? There is some tiny kernel of truth behind every lie thus far. I am so ready for some honest truthful facts! But the most basic simple facts are almost impossible to locate in this case. I keep wondering why there is such a blackout smokescreen about everything, even things which have absolutely nothing to do with the crazy family. :waitasec:

[JBean]

Who owns this property? Sawgrass Apartments is not listed with the Florida Department of State. Who holds the deed to this property? Who is responsible for leasing these apartments? What are the actual names of the people who own/lease Sawgrass? Could this be yet another 'dummy' real estate deal? Any local person could walk into the courthouse and research the deed for this address. I would be much obliged to know who holds the deed. I would love to know the name of the person or corporation which owns/leases this particular piece of property. I cannot find it. Just like everything else in this case, it is shrouded in some inexplicable mystery.

Why did Casey lead police to Sawgrass Apartments? Who owns the place? Which specific leasing agent handled the ZG card? There is some tiny kernel of truth behind every lie thus far. I am so ready for some honest truthful facts! But the most basic simple facts are almost impossible to locate in this case. I keep wondering why there is such a blackout smokescreen about everything, even things which have absolutely nothing to do with the crazy family. :waitasec:
Well after going up and down Conway and looking at all the owners and addresses, the closest I can find is Sea Cove Apartments at 2859 S Conway. I'll look some more tomorrow.

[JBean]

Who owns this property? Sawgrass Apartments is not listed with the Florida Department of State. Who holds the deed to this property? Who is responsible for leasing these apartments? What are the actual names of the people who own/lease Sawgrass? Could this be yet another 'dummy' real estate deal? Any local person could walk into the courthouse and research the deed for this address. I would be much obliged to know who holds the deed. I would love to know the name of the person or corporation which owns/leases this particular piece of property. I cannot find it. Just like everything else in this case, it is shrouded in some inexplicable mystery.

Why did Casey lead police to Sawgrass Apartments? Who owns the place? Which specific leasing agent handled the ZG card? There is some tiny kernel of truth behind every lie thus far. I am so ready for some honest truthful facts! But the most basic simple facts are almost impossible to locate in this case. I keep wondering why there is such a blackout smokescreen about everything, even things which have absolutely nothing to do with the crazy family. :waitasec:
Property Name:SAWGRASS APARTMENTSOwner Name(s):P A C LAND II LTD

2859 is part of the same complex as 2863. On title records it is called Sea Grove Apts and on property tax roll it is Saw Grass Apts. So they changed the name at some point, but the owner is still the same.

[Sherbie]

What's interesting is that the apt complex had noted that ZG's phone number wasn't valid. Coincidentally, Casey somehow knew to say the supposed call she got from Caylee was from a number no longer in service, if I recall correctly. So that could possibly mean that Casey saw ZG's card at Sawgrass sometime after the 25th, after the notation had been made on ZG's card that her phone number was invalid.

Was she looking for a scapegoat or was she being nosy and reading the application cards while she talked to or waited for someone? Does anyone at all who works in the office of that apt complex remember ever having seen Casey? Could she have visited wearing a cap and sunglasses and given a false name herself?

I don't know what types of leads are ones LE thinks are worth chasing and which aren't, but I think it might be worthwhile to track down every person who left a contact card during that period of time to verify that they do indeed exist and had indeed visited the complex.

[RoseRed]

According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.

Actually #212 is the apartment of the Music producer Williams guy. We discussed this already and he is associated with the Fucian Club. There is a thread on here already about this apartment #212 IIRC.

[MsRyber]

Re-watching this (I DVR'd it), don't know why KMG doesn't have it up on their website yet. So far it's been exclusive to them - and I watch and/or DVR ALL FOUR local station's newscasts, as each of them have come up with new details at times - although I think WESH has done the best overall so far.

They report asking the Sheriff's office about it - "Is it possible Casey went there posing as Gonzeles?" Sheriff's office replied "That cannot be ruled out." But "will not discuss significance of individual dates."

Card was Hand-written, the person that filled it out had sloppy handwriting, which is how they mis-construed that date.

So they have made investigators aware of this discrepancy, I would think they would be following up pretty quickly.

That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card.

[Muzikman]

That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card.

It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.

[Muzikman]

No video of last nights 6 PM report on the Local 6 site - I wish there were, because it was much more detailed than this.

Or that there was an easy way for me to transfer my DVR recordings to Youtube. They do not seem to be putting up complete news broadcast coverage, and the local news reports often are much more detailed than what they end up posting on their sites.


http://www.local6.com/news/17108143/detail.html
Baby Sitter Remains Mystery

Deputies are still trying to figure out exactly when Caylee vanished and are not ruling out that her mother, Casey, may have posed as the mystery baby sitter no one can find.
Casey Anthony maintains the last time she saw her daughter was the day she dropped her off with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez at the Sawgrass Apartments in Orlando.
According to the original arrest report from July 15, someone by the name of Zenaida Gonzalez looked at an apartment on April 17, 2008.
Local 6 has confirmed with apartment managers that the incident didn't happen in April but on June 17.
The date is important because Caylee was last seen two days before on June 15, Local 6's Lauren Rowe said.
Sawgrass managers said on June 17, someone came to inquire about an apartment.
Investigators said the person filled-out a guest card using the name Zenaida Gonzalez and the person who wrote it had sloppy handwriting.
Someone misread the date when filing out an original arrest record, Local 6 reported.
Sources told Local 6 that when apartment managers tried to follow up with the woman after June 25, the phone number she gave was no longer valid.
And the apartment where Anthony said she left Caylee had been vacant for about six months, Local 6 has learned.
Investigators said they located a woman named Zenaida Gonzales but she said she'd never heard of Caylee or Casey.

[JBean]

It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.
This is the same information I have seen Muzikman. If Gonzalez did say she filled out the card I would appreciate a link to that info so we can determineif the source is credible.

[maur33]

It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.

This was my understanding of the apartment issue as well, I just don't know where people are getting this information that Zenaida filled out a card and looked at an apartment?

I think it is more believeable that casey filled out this card herself after either getting this woman's name out of the phone book or unbeknowst to Zenaida she was in the vicinity of casey once (at a park, a restaurant..etc) and casey overheard information about her and decided that this woman would be her alibi.

[Muzikman]

Fox News National reporter on the scene a few minutes ago saying that this discrepancy is being checked into now by the Sheriff's Dept. at the apartment complex.

[websurfer]

According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.


Maybe Casey was really looking for apartments ,before whatever happened to Caylee happened?

She could have heard people talking and ran with the info?And used it when she had to?
To set things up?
:confused:
I can't think like this wacko ...
so?

[LI_Mom]

It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.

Hmmmm.... so it's still possible that Casey herself posed as ZG and filled out the card... leaving a fake number because she doesn't want ZG to actually get a call back from the rental office.

[Muzikman]

That's what I think also, LI Mom.

If they can prove this, it would mean that Casey was conspiring to create the whole nanny story ahead of time.

[LI_Mom]

That's what I think also, LI Mom.

If they can prove this, it would mean that Casey was conspiring to create the whole nanny story ahead of time.

Exactly!

Either Casey was there & saw the card already filled out & figured it was as good a lie as any OR she actually planned this all very carefully.

Either way.... she DID know in advance to say the ZG phone number was NOT a 'good' number.


Would be SO interesting to know what they keep looking for each time they return to the house.....

Personally, I think Casey is fried.... it's just a matter of time.

I also think a whole lot of people in LE would like nothing better than to officially charge her with murder BEFORE Caylee's 'birthday party' on Saturday.

[Muzikman]

WKMG reporting that their report yesterday prompted the OCSO to go back to the apt complex for more investigation.

The building is 2863, in case there is any question.

Today, OCSO requested the original guest card of Zenaida Gonzalez (so I guess they did not have it as evidence from their initial visit - unbelievable!)

Also a copy of the guest card (???) and spoke with the leasing manager that filled out the guest card.

The handwriting cannot be checked against Casey's - the leasing manager fills it out as they talk to the potential renter.

Hopefully the leasing manager remembers the person, although they probably talk to dozens of people each week (my guess, not the reporters)

[wedavis]

WKMG reporting that their report yesterday prompted the OCSO to go back to the apt complex for more investigation.

The building is 2863, in case there is any question.

Today, OCSO requested the original guest card of Zenaida Gonzalez (so I guess they did not have it as evidence from their initial visit - unbelievable!)

Also a copy of the guest card (???) and spoke with the leasing manager that filled out the guest card.

The handwriting cannot be checked against Casey's - the leasing manager fills it out as they talk to the potential renter.

Hopefully the leasing manager remembers the person, although they probably talk to dozens of people each week (my guess, not the reporters)


Do you guys have an aversion to reading affidavits or something. :)

Quote: "They (apt managers) gave me (the cop) a "guest card" completed by Zenaida Gonzalez which contained her cell phone number." No where does it say anything about that number being no good. And the cops talked to this ZG.

[JBean]

Do you guys have an aversion to reading affidavits or something. :)

Quote: "They (apt managers) gave me (the cop) a "guest card" completed by Zenaida Gonzalez which contained her cell phone number." No where does it say anything about that number being no good. And the cops talked to this ZG.
It has been reported that it was no good which is where that notion is coming from:

>>Sources told Local 6 that when apartment managers tried to follow up with the woman after June 25, the phone number she gave was no longer valid.<<
http://www.local6.com/news/17112539/detail.html

[wedavis]

It has been reported that it was no good which is where that notion is coming from:

>>Sources told Local 6 that when apartment managers tried to follow up with the woman after June 25, the phone number she gave was no longer valid.<<
http://www.local6.com/news/17112539/detail.html


Well all they need to do is call this ZG again and verify she went to the apts to check it out and the date. The call for fingerprints is just silly and unecessary...

[Muzikman]

Affidavits can and are wrong at times. Police investigations are not infallible.

They have a statement from that ZG, but it has not been released so we do not know if they asked her the proper questions.

If they would have gone to the apartment a couple days after ZG or Casey visit, fingerprints could have helped to possibly prove that it was Casey. But at this point too many people have probably been through there.

[LI_Mom]

On NG tonight, they're talking about the possibility that maybe Casey was the one who filled out the ZG card & looked at the apt. herself.


We discussed that same theory here today! :)


I wonder if there could be any surveillance tapes showing who was there & if they would still be available for investigators to check. Probably not. :(

I wonder if they did a careful check of the empty apt. to see if Casey's prints are found inside?

[CaliKid]

Well all they need to do is call this ZG again and verify she went to the apts to check it out and the date. The call for fingerprints is just silly and unecessary...

I don't know that it's unnecessary. I think LE wants to find out if Casey handled the card. If she did, that most likely means she either looked up the info on ZG to use as an alibi or...

[LI_Mom]

I don't know that it's unnecessary. I think LE wants to find out if Casey handled the card. If she did, that most likely means she either looked up the info on ZG to use as an alibi or...

Exactly!

[distracted]

A reporter on Fox during Sheppard Smith's show today said that the employees of the Sawgrass Apts. had been shown photos of Casey and Caylee and nobody recognized seeing either of them on the premises.

[TripleA]

Is that a large apt complex? And if it was right above the office, and ZG had been babysitting Caylee there, don't you think they would have recognized Casey and Caylee from seeing the baby dropped off and picked up all the time, right in front of the office?

[MsRyber]

Do you guys have an aversion to reading affidavits or something. :)

Quote: "They (apt managers) gave me (the cop) a "guest card" completed by Zenaida Gonzalez which contained her cell phone number." No where does it say anything about that number being no good. And the cops talked to this ZG.


Exactly. I had put this in an earlier response:

MsRyber: "That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card."

Only to be told that I was incorrect, lol.
Maybe Muzikman and JBean can elaborate on where we are going wrong.

Per JBean's "This is the same information I have seen Muzikman. If Gonzalez did say she filled out the card I would appreciate a link to that info so we can determine if the source is credible."

I would *hope* that the affidavit is credible. But, stranger things have happened. Can someone clarify? Did you guys see something different? If Casey set this whole thing up......wowzers.

[TxRose]

So let me see if I have all of this straight...

1) We know that "someone" went to the Sawgrass Apts. on June 17 and filled out a guest card saying they were Zenaida Gonzalez. We know that police tracked down a Zenaida Gonzalez based upon the info on the guest card. But we don't know if the cell number listed was valid or if they tracked her down by using the other info on the card. The apt. complex is now saying they tried the number and it was not valid. The police affidavit only says they contacted a Zenaida Gonzalez that was "identified" from the Sawgrass Apt. guest card. That could mean they also found the phone number to be invalid and they used the address to find and contact her, or that the number was valid when they called it. I would say it is more likely it was invalid to begin with.

2) We do not know if the Zenaida G. they contacted ever actually went to the Sawgrass Apts. because that fact does not appear in the police affidavit. I have to believe police were smart enough to ask if she ever went to the Sawgrass and if she completed the card. I think it was simply omitted in the affidavit.

3) The police affidavit states that the manager and the maintenance man at the Sawgrass Apts. were shown pics of Caylee and didn't recognize her. There is no mention of whether they knew Casey or had ever seen her there. Cindy Anthony says Casey has friends at the Sawgrass Apts., so if that is true (cough cough)...perhaps the manager knows her or has seen her there. If management does know herm this was also omitted from the affidavit.

4) We do not know if Casey went to the Sawgrass Apts. posing as Zenaida and filled out the card. If she did pose as Zenaida, she could have looked up the info in the phone book and filled out the card. However, if she was someone the manager knows - then she would not have been successful at posing as someone else. If she did not pose as Zenaida...what are the odds that a "Zenaida Gonzalez" would have looked at those apartments even in the last year? She would have had to have access to the apartments records to get that info. Again, if she has friends there, that could be possible. So determining whether she was known by management or anyone else at those apartments is important.

So the two big questions I see are: Did the Zenaida that was contacted by the police actually go to the Sawgrass Apts. and fill out the card? Was Casey recognized/known by management or other tenants at the complex? To the best of my knowledge, the answers to these questions do not appear in the affidavit or from any other reliable source. Am I wrong?

[wedavis]

So let me see if I have all of this straight...

1) We know that "someone" went to the Sawgrass Apts. on June 17 and filled out a guest card saying they were Zenaida Gonzalez. We know that police tracked down a Zenaida Gonzalez based upon the info on the guest card. But we don't know if the cell number listed was valid or if they tracked her down by using the other info on the card. The apt. complex is now saying they tried the number and it was not valid. The police affidavit only says they contacted a Zenaida Gonzalez that was "identified" from the Sawgrass Apt. guest card. That could mean they also found the phone number to be invalid and they used the address to find and contact her, or that the number was valid when they called it. I would say it is more likely it was invalid to begin with.

2) We do not know if the Zenaida G. they contacted ever actually went to the Sawgrass Apts. because that fact does not appear in the police affidavit. I have to believe police were smart enough to ask if she ever went to the Sawgrass and if she completed the card. I think it was simply omitted in the affidavit.

3) The police affidavit states that the manager and the maintenance man at the Sawgrass Apts. were shown pics of Caylee and didn't recognize her. There is no mention of whether they knew Casey or had ever seen her there. Cindy Anthony says Casey has friends at the Sawgrass Apts., so if that is true (cough cough)...perhaps the manager knows her or has seen her there. If management does know herm this was also omitted from the affidavit.

4) We do not know if Casey went to the Sawgrass Apts. posing as Zenaida and filled out the card. If she did pose as Zenaida, she could have looked up the info in the phone book and filled out the card. However, if she was someone the manager knows - then she would not have been successful at posing as someone else. If she did not pose as Zenaida...what are the odds that a "Zenaida Gonzalez" would have looked at those apartments even in the last year? She would have had to have access to the apartments records to get that info. Again, if she has friends there, that could be possible. So determining whether she was known by management or anyone else at those apartments is important.

So the two big questions I see are: Did the Zenaida that was contacted by the police actually go to the Sawgrass Apts. and fill out the card? Was Casey recognized/known by management or other tenants at the complex? To the best of my knowledge, the answers to these questions do not appear in the affidavit or from any other reliable source. Am I wrong?

See distracted's post. The managers do not recall seeing Casey.

Why would the police doubt that ZG had gone to the apartments for a tour? Who would ever think to question that? Who fills out phoney cards like that? I'm sure however, they told her why they were contacting her and how they they came upon her info. If she DIDN'T fill out the card, I'm sure she would have said something. In my opinion she really was there. It still is a very interesting coincidence. Maybe the more important question is which apartment was this ZG shown on June 17.

[coltsgal]

exactly wedavis, I just said something like that in a different thread.

[wedavis]

Another problem with the theory of Casey posing as ZFG is something that my sister told me. She was a leasing agent. She says in many complexes you have to provide a drivers license for the agent to copy before going on a tour as a safety precaution.

[CheckDaFacts]

Exactly. I had put this in an earlier response:

MsRyber: "That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card."

Only to be told that I was incorrect, lol.
Maybe Muzikman and JBean can elaborate on where we are going wrong.

Per JBean's "This is the same information I have seen Muzikman. If Gonzalez did say she filled out the card I would appreciate a link to that info so we can determine if the source is credible."

I would *hope* that the affidavit is credible. But, stranger things have happened. Can someone clarify? Did you guys see something different? If Casey set this whole thing up......wowzers.
She has her own blog and spoke up on not being that ZG. She is easy enough to find as she does several posts on her personal blog under her name. Oddly enough this ZG experienced a burgulary around the 9th of Jun.

[impatientredhead]

Exactly. I had put this in an earlier response:

MsRyber: "That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card."

Only to be told that I was incorrect, lol.
Maybe Muzikman and JBean can elaborate on where we are going wrong.

Per JBean's "This is the same information I have seen Muzikman. If Gonzalez did say she filled out the card I would appreciate a link to that info so we can determine if the source is credible."

I would *hope* that the affidavit is credible. But, stranger things have happened. Can someone clarify? Did you guys see something different? If Casey set this whole thing up......wowzers.

To quote the affidavit:

"While the defendant was with Detective Wells, I called the Zenaida Gonzalez I identified from the Sawgrass Apartments. She was open and responsive, and when asked, denied know Casey, Caylee, or babysitting for anyone at all. She agreed to meet with an investigator and give a sworn statement. This was later done by the OCSO Missing Persons Investigator Awilda McBryde and investigator Kari Roderick where she was shown photos of the defendant and Caylee and denied knowing either.

Once back in the <blacked out> parking lot, Sgt. Allen pulled up all of the Zenaida Gonzalez's in our DAVID system. The defendant could not identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo of the Zenaida I had just spoke with and the defendant said she didn't recognize her."

Nowhere does it state that ZG verified she was at the apartments. Nowhere does it verify the number he contacted her at was the number on the card. Not saying those things are not true, just that they are not verified. It says he spoke to the ZG he identified. That might be the only ZG in the immediate area of appropriate age.

And again I have to ask if ZG was there and gave a statement HOW is the date discrepancy just now coming to light? Wouldn't she have said yes I looked at an apartment there but not on April 17th, it was June 17th.

[SeriouslySearching]

Casey could have easily been the person to fill out that card and the person didn't recognize her two months later. I think the discrepancy on the time the incident took place (June 17th) is important. The reason it wasn't caught before is that no one questioned it and it slid through the cracks.

Isn't Ricardo's apartment directly across the street and how Casey knew of the Sawgrass apartments? I don't think Casey was looking for an apartment to live in there, but she was setting up the Nanny story all along. This goes back to my theory that Caylee was gone either late June15th or early on June 16th. The cover up started immediately with the entire family (except Lee), in my opinion.

[passin_through]

Ricardo's home was across the street from another address Casey gave as Zanny's mothers apt. 301 N Hillside Dr (seniors only home) which was across from Ricardo's house at 232 Glenwood. Sawgrass Apts are 2863 S Conway Rd # 210 ...well, that's what the affidavit says anyhow.
http://ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f07.24.08_affi davit.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935 page 3

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Passing! I guess I am getting mixed up with all the information. Appreciate the help here. :)

[Busylady]

Earlier in the affidavit however, it indicates that guest card had ZG cell number on it. To me it indicates he called the number on the guest card after being provided that information from Sawgrass Apartments. In addition, we do not know when LE learned of the date discrepancy. We only know when the media got ahold of the information.

To quote the affidavit:

"While the defendant was with Detective Wells, I called the Zenaida Gonzalez I identified from the Sawgrass Apartments. She was open and responsive, and when asked, denied know Casey, Caylee, or babysitting for anyone at all. She agreed to meet with an investigator and give a sworn statement. This was later done by the OCSO Missing Persons Investigator Awilda McBryde and investigator Kari Roderick where she was shown photos of the defendant and Caylee and denied knowing either.

Once back in the <blacked out> parking lot, Sgt. Allen pulled up all of the Zenaida Gonzalez's in our DAVID system. The defendant could not identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo of the Zenaida I had just spoke with and the defendant said she didn't recognize her."

Nowhere does it state that ZG verified she was at the apartments. Nowhere does it verify the number he contacted her at was the number on the card. Not saying those things are not true, just that they are not verified. It says he spoke to the ZG he identified. That might be the only ZG in the immediate area of appropriate age.

And again I have to ask if ZG was there and gave a statement HOW is the date discrepancy just now coming to light? Wouldn't she have said yes I looked at an apartment there but not on April 17th, it was June 17th.

[TxRose]

To quote the affidavit:

Nowhere does it state that ZG verified she was at the apartments. Nowhere does it verify the number he contacted her at was the number on the card. Not saying those things are not true, just that they are not verified. It says he spoke to the ZG he identified. That might be the only ZG in the immediate area of appropriate age.

And again I have to ask if ZG was there and gave a statement HOW is the date discrepancy just now coming to light? Wouldn't she have said yes I looked at an apartment there but not on April 17th, it was June 17th.

That was my point...that we don't know what info LE used to find this ZG...just that it came from the card. Could be the phone number, might be the address, might be a birthdate. The big question to me still remains. Did ZG go to the Sawgrass Apts. and fill out the card herself?

[TxRose]

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Isn't Ricardo's apartment directly across the street and how Casey knew of the Sawgrass apartments?

If I am not mistaken, I believe it was near her boyfriend Tony's apartment.

[Muzikman]

If I am not mistaken, I believe it was near her boyfriend Tony's apartment.

I live in the area. None of the 3 are really close - guessing about 5 miles apart from each other, different parts of town.

[TxRose]

Yea - sorry, my error! I just checked the map on another thread and Tony's place isn't that close. I was going on memory of something that was said. But with the constantly changing "facts" in this case...it's hard to keep straight!

Hey - 2 quick questions. I think I saw somewhere on this site that someone said Casey knew the correct name of Z's mother (Gloria). I can't find where I saw it now. Is this true? Also - was it the Z that was interviewed based on the guest card that reported a burglary on June 9 or thereabouts?

[wedavis]

Yea - sorry, my error! I just checked the map on another thread and Tony's place isn't that close. I was going on memory of something that was said. But with the constantly changing "facts" in this case...it's hard to keep straight!

Hey - 2 quick questions. I think I saw somewhere on this site that someone said Casey knew the correct name of Z's mother (Gloria). I can't find where I saw it now. Is this true? Also - was it the Z that was interviewed based on the guest card that reported a burglary on June 9 or thereabouts?

Someone on some thread says she found (maybe it was not_my_kids) proof of a Gloria and a Zenaida living togther in one of the states Casey mentioned. Just search Gloria>

I still see no link between the ZG that is a blogger and victim of a June 9 crime and the ZG in the interview that is coming out today and the topic of this thread.

Btw: Nancy Grace's "facts" rarely are...it's really getting on my nerves!

[TxRose]

I hear you. And sometimes I get so mad at the reporters because they must not be following the case in much detail because there are always so many questions they fail to ask. For example, when interviewing ZG today...why not ask her if her mom's name is Gloria? Why not ask her why her phone number was not valid. Why not ask her why she didn't correct the police when they said she was at the apartments in April, not June. I am sure she isn't involved, but it would surehelp identify more of Casey's lies.

It is totally bugging me that we don't know how Casey got ZG's name. It is just too big of a coincidence to be a coincidence. LOL. Did I read somewhere that the apt. manager said she actually filled out the guest cards... that it was her handwriting? Maybe Casey was lurking in there and overheard the name. She might have assumed the woman lived there or was moving in and that she would make a good scapegoat.

[Muzikman]

I emailed WKMG while the reporter was on his way to interview ZG, and told them to ask her if she had posted online ANYWHERE - Myspace, Facebook etc. that she was going to / had visited Sawgrass.


If she had, that's where Casey may have made the connection.

Don't know whether they asked or not, WKMG hasn't broadcast the whole interview yet, they're running more of it on the 11 PM news tonite.

She did say she had a Myspace page, but did not really know much about Facebook.

[TxRose]

I am not sure if this link will work...but I found this myspace link on another forum that looks like it might belong to ZG:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=166182731

[Chanler]

Hi, I'm not a cellphone expert, but I assume that a defunct number could still be traced to a specific person. I imagine that's how the correct Ms. Z.G. was identified.

I don't have a source, but I do remember that someone on another website said that Z. was checking apartment possibilities in that area.

[tsanti]

I hear you. And sometimes I get so mad at the reporters because they must not be following the case in much detail because there are always so many questions they fail to ask. For example, when interviewing ZG today...why not ask her if her mom's name is Gloria? Why not ask her why her phone number was not valid. Why not ask her why she didn't correct the police when they said she was at the apartments in April, not June. I am sure she isn't involved, but it would surehelp identify more of Casey's lies.

It is totally bugging me that we don't know how Casey got ZG's name. It is just too big of a coincidence to be a coincidence. LOL. Did I read somewhere that the apt. manager said she actually filled out the guest cards... that it was her handwriting? Maybe Casey was lurking in there and overheard the name. She might have assumed the woman lived there or was moving in and that she would make a good scapegoat.

Another good question would have been to ask her if she has a hyphenated last name (Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales) as Casey stated her nanny had.

[LinasK]

Hi, I'm not a cellphone expert, but I assume that a defunct number could still be traced to a specific person. I imagine that's how the correct Ms. Z.G. was identified.

I don't have a source, but I do remember that someone on another website said that Z. was checking apartment possibilities in that area.

Hey, I went to a new dry cleaner about a week ago, and he had listed in his system the last name of the person who had my landline 15 years ago! Amazing, since I've had it for 12 years!

[CheckDaFacts]

Exactly. I had put this in an earlier response:

MsRyber: "That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card."

Only to be told that I was incorrect, lol.
Maybe Muzikman and JBean can elaborate on where we are going wrong.

Per JBean's "This is the same information I have seen Muzikman. If Gonzalez did say she filled out the card I would appreciate a link to that info so we can determine if the source is credible."

I would *hope* that the affidavit is credible. But, stranger things have happened. Can someone clarify? Did you guys see something different? If Casey set this whole thing up......wowzers.
Was there any questioning anywhere whether or not ZG was a victim of a burglary in and about Jun 9th, is there a possible police report on file if it did happen? If a burglary did occur was her name printed in a newspaper/blotter? Is this the same ZG that has a blog and spoke of not being the same ZG LE was looking for?

[CheckDaFacts]

Hey, I went to a new dry cleaner about a week ago, and he had listed in his system the last name of the person who had my landline 15 years ago! Amazing, since I've had it for 12 years!
On the non-working cell number of ZG, could it possible ZG gave a bad number due to not wanting the complex to re-contact her because she was not impressed with the condition of the complex? Don't bother me!

[TxRose]

On the non-working cell number of ZG, could it possible ZG gave a bad number due to not wanting the complex to re-contact her because she was not impressed with the condition of the complex? Don't bother me!

Yes - that is what I think and I believe I posted that on another thread. In her interview she stated that she and her boyfriend looked at all the apartments down that street. She sounded like they were just "looking", but not really intending to rent. She said they just looked nice and she wanted to see what they looked like - or something to that effect. I bet she gave a fake number so they wouldn't call her. I have done that before too!

Also - I agree on asking her in the interview about the hyphen thing! I left that one out, but I bet even LE could figure that out from records. I sure wish we could know all the details!

[Chanler]

On the non-working cell number of ZG, could it possible ZG gave a bad number due to not wanting the complex to re-contact her because she was not impressed with the condition of the complex? Don't bother me!

Hi, CheckDaFacts, this seems like a plausible explanation.

I think that the entire ZG apartment visit story is sound and fury signifying not much of anything. The police went to check whether there was a long-time (1 1/2 year plus) resident of Sawgrass with ZG's name, as Casey has asserted. There was no such person. A ZG had visited the apartment building to look at a vacant place. Her fleeting presence in the building didn't confirm one iota of Casey's story, nor did it establish any conspiratorial relationship.

Of such coincidences, giant Grassy Knoll gang conspiracies evolve.

[TxRose]

I agree Chanler. The whole issue is probably moot because the main issue was whether Casey's story could be corroborated and it can't. But it is still very curious and very coincidental that a woman by the same name just happened to visit that apt. complex in the same time frame. It might very well end up being just that - coincidence. We may never know unless Casey starts talking....(ha).

[Chanler]

I agree Chanler. The whole issue is probably moot because the main issue was whether Casey's story could be corroborated and it can't. But it is still very curious and very coincidental that a woman by the same name just happened to visit that apt. complex in the same time frame. It might very well end up being just that - coincidence. We may never know unless Casey starts talking....(ha).

TxRose, your "(ha)" made me realize that it's quite likely that Casey will never speak up--and of course, no sane defense lawyer would ever put her on a witness stand.

[Stoelly]

I am not sure if this link will work...but I found this myspace link on another forum that looks like it might belong to ZG:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=166182731

That looks like her - same fake blonde color hair

[TxRose]

TxRose, your "(ha)" made me realize that it's quite likely that Casey will never speak up--and of course, no sane defense lawyer would ever put her on a witness stand.

I think it is very likely that even faced with overwhelming evidence, she would still continue to lie and try to cover up. Wouldn't that be awesome to witness a prosecutor interrogate her on the stand? Watch her squirm as she tries to explain all the lies. My guess is that she would do what she apparently always does when confronted...gets angry, uses profanity and hangs up or walks away. Talk to the hand. LOL

[wedavis]

One thing that ZG said that might lead to a better theory connecting Casey to ZG:

ZG said she had also been searching for apartments up and down the street that Sawgrass is on. Could ZG and Casey have been at one of THOSE apartments at the same time?

That is, maybe the leasing agent asked ZG in front of Casey where else she had looked, or even directed her to Sawgrass (for whatever reason) and Casey overheard or came in contact with ZG's info at one of these apartment's leasing office?

I have also asked before. There still is no proof that ZG toured aprt #210 at Sawgrass is there?

[TxRose]

One thing that ZG said that might lead to a better theory connecting Casey to ZG:

ZG said she had also been searching for apartments up and down the street that Sawgrass is on. Could ZG and Casey have been at one of THOSE apartments at the same time?

That is, maybe the leasing agent asked ZG in front of Casey where else she had looked, or even directed her to Sawgrass (for whatever reason) and Casey overheard or came in contact with ZG's info at one of these apartment's leasing office?

I have also asked before. There still is no proof that ZG toured aprt #210 at Sawgrass is there?

This is the way I understand it -
In the interview, ZG was insistent that she had visited a third floor apartment. When the reporter started to correct her...she said it was definitely the third floor. That the Sawgrass had some third floor apartments in the back. She seemed pretty sure of that. The 210 apt. only came into play because that is where Casey led investigators...saying she left Caylee in the stairwell to that apt. Mark F said on Greta that ZG visited that apt. - but he was incorrect. Honestly, I have heard him say a few things that weren't correct.

Of course as I see it...it doesn't matter what apt. ZG saw that day. She went there on 6/17 - which was after Casey said she had taken Caylee there.

[lisa0477]

She could have just come up with the name from Jesus Ortiz mother (Zenaida Gonzalez Ortiz)right, just added the fernandez name in there.

[wedavis]

This is the way I understand it -
In the interview, ZG was insistent that she had visited a third floor apartment. When the reporter started to correct her...she said it was definitely the third floor. That the Sawgrass had some third floor apartments in the back. She seemed pretty sure of that. The 210 apt. only came into play because that is where Casey led investigators...saying she left Caylee in the stairwell to that apt. Mark F said on Greta that ZG visited that apt. - but he was incorrect. Honestly, I have heard him say a few things that weren't correct.

Of course as I see it...it doesn't matter what apt. ZG saw that day. She went there on 6/17 - which was after Casey said she had taken Caylee there.

But the date was a big fat lie. Video (now common knowledge) proves Caylee disappeared after June 15th. This has been established since the very first couple of threads, geez. Try and read something before you post, will ya?

[wedavis]

She could have just come up with the name from Jesus Ortiz mother (Zenaida Gonzalez Ortiz)right, just added the fernandez name in there.

That is a really interesting theory, can you prove that is her name? Surely, with all the media attention she just complained about someone would have mentioned this odd fact. AND I guarantee you a whole thread would have been started one that one fact alone! :)

[my2cents]

But the date was a big fat lie. Video (now common knowledge) proves Caylee disappeared after July 15th. This has been established since the very first couple of threads, geez. Try and read something before you post, will ya?



She disappeared on or shortly after JUNE 15 (Father's Day). After the 16th if you believe Cindy and George :rolleyes:

[wedavis]

She disappeared on or shortly after JUNE 15 (Father's Day). After the 16th if you believe Cindy and George :rolleyes:

HaHa. That is what I meant. I will edit my post. Thanks! :)

[lisa0477]

That is a really interesting theory, can you prove that is her name? Surely, with all the media attention she just complained about someone would have mentioned this odd fact. AND I guarantee you a whole thread would have been started one that one fact alone! :)

Well, I was looking back at the thread about the players in this case and that is where I saw the names. It said that she was Jesus's mother. I figured it must have been talked about. I have been trying to catch up on it all. To me Casey seems to pull things from her butt if you know what I mean. It's a little bit of truth, with a little bit of lies. Sometimes if we look at what she has said and keep it simple then maybe we can figure it out better. She seems to just say things so quickly without thinking much.

[my2cents]

HaHa. That is what I meant. I will edit my post. Thanks! :)

No problem. Just too many dates involved and if it gets mixed up, it makes it more confusing! :)

[lisa0477]

Well, I was looking back at the thread about the players in this case and that is where I saw the names. It said that she was Jesus's mother. I figured it must have been talked about. I have been trying to catch up on it all. To me Casey seems to pull things from her butt if you know what I mean. It's a little bit of truth, with a little bit of lies. Sometimes if we look at what she has said and keep it simple then maybe we can figure it out better. She seems to just say things so quickly without thinking much.

I went back to try and find where the info was posted that this was Jesus O's mother and in the obit. it says her name is Olga. so if we can find out how they found out this maybe it would clear things up for me.

Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez
Zenaida Gonzalez Ortiz [ mother of JO ]
Jesus E. Ortiz Marque [ died auto accident May 8,2007]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67812 (post #25)

obit link
http://www.newcomernet.com/obituarie...1&Source=value

Jesus myspace page
http://www.myspace.com/xxupononexx