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delaney
08-05-2008, 10:37 PM
Cindy did a call in on the show and wanted to talk to Dr. Larry Kobilinsky to ask him a forensic question. Cindy wanted to know how CSI could tell the difference between hair that is from a live body or that of a deceased person.

Post Larry King Show Comments on this thread and maybe someone can check the CNN Web site for a transcript a bit later.

Just trying to Lead by Example.

delaney
08-05-2008, 10:41 PM
Cindy and George must have no money at all. Those two need to shut up and get a spokesperson. Can you imagine calling in to a talk show to get information like that? I was in shock! These people really have no clue.

delaney
08-05-2008, 11:13 PM
Stacey Honowitz, whose lip-glossed mouth looks like a a flopping fish, tried to tell Cindy the answer to her question was...

Honowitz, who usually has all the answers finally had to admit she didn't know.

Mark Geragos was jumping up and down in his seat and told Cindy forensics such as hair and blood and Dna were circumstantial evidence.

Patty G
08-05-2008, 11:39 PM
I just scheduled to tape Larry King because I have to hear this phone call.

Gee , Cindy should have called me because I heard it discussed one night on NG. One forensic scientist said that a dark ring would be around the hair shaft once it fell off a person who died.

Patty G
08-05-2008, 11:41 PM
Stacey Honowitz, whose lip-glossed mouth looks like a a flopping fish, tried to tell Cindy the answer to her question was...

Honowitz, who usually has all the answers finally had to admit she didn't know.

Mark Geragos was jumping up and down in his seat and told Cindy forensics such as hair and blood and Dna were circumstantial evidence.

:) :) , just love your report on the pros! :) :)

Liz
08-05-2008, 11:46 PM
I can't remember which show or which day with this crazy case, but I did hear an expert say that there is a definitive difference when analyzing hair from a live person compared to that from a deceased person.

Patty G
08-05-2008, 11:54 PM
I can't remember which show or which day with this crazy case, but I did hear an expert say that there is a definitive difference when analyzing hair from a live person compared to that from a deceased person.
I think it was NG's show the other day!

jbennett
08-06-2008, 07:17 AM
Up until this point I have been going back and forth as to whether or not Cindy was involved, or at least knew if Caylee was alive or not. After hearing her ask this question I am convinced she def. knows that Caylee is dead and probably was involved. Once she was told that it is circumstantial evidence and they probably can't tell whether or not the hair fell off a dead or alive body she almost sounded relieved. Am I the only one who thought this? It was a very strange thing for her to call about, especially when you can get online and find out an answer like that in 5 mins.

Ginny
08-06-2008, 07:25 AM
Mark Geragos was jumping up and down in his seat and told Cindy forensics such as hair and blood and Dna were circumstantial evidence.

Personally, I don't think Geragos should get too excited about circumstantial evidence. He defended a man who is sitting on death row because of circumstancial evidence.

ShouldBWorking
08-06-2008, 07:28 AM
I think Cindy is doing some "odd" things to keep herself in the spotlight, she wanted the world to hear her ask that questions, it's a game

strach304
08-06-2008, 08:03 AM
Personally, I don't think Geragos should get too excited about circumstantial evidence. He defended a man who is sitting on death row because of circumstancial evidence.


And so here we go again or maybe I follow too many cases. Geragos kept saying that in the media but it was made known that circumstantial evidence holds the same weight as direct evidence. Most evidence is circumstantial, direct is eye witness or confession. All forensics are circumstantial.

Jolynna
08-06-2008, 09:16 AM
I think Cindy is doing some "odd" things to keep herself in the spotlight, she wanted the world to hear her ask that questions, it's a game

Cindy wanted the world to hear that Caylee's hair could have been transferred from a sweater (or any article of clothing) that had been placed in the trunk.

Which sounds to me like Cindy thinks or has been told by LE that the hair is Caylees. I think Cindy was making a preliminary strike against this damaging evidence.

Michael Baden has been interviewed on Fox News Network several times and says hair from a deceased person is different than hair from a living person. Geragas called it junk science.

I think Caylee's hair next to dirt combined with biological material is powerful evidence. I think the reason LE got Caylee's DNA over the weekend is because investigators have gotten enough back from the lab to know there was a body. They needed Caylee's exemplar.

IMO

cheko1
08-06-2008, 09:47 AM
Cindy seems to have the attitude she & her family are much smarter then the OPD & the FBI. To date they seem to be under the impression that if they say it its true.

She went as far to say in regards to the hair found in the trunk that they'd owned the car for 7 or 8 yrs & the families DNA would be all over in the car. I think she was askingthe question so they can get a story fabricated to fit the timeline.....such as: Grandpa was cleaning the car out & Caylee wanted to sit in the trunk & watch him. Being he is such a loving Gpa he gave in.

Then for Geragos to call hair DNA junk science showed his mentality. I think MG would gladly represent Casey if he was asked.

weasel
08-06-2008, 04:34 PM
<<Personally, I don't think Geragos should get too excited about circumstantial evidence. He defended a man who is sitting on death row because of circumstancial evidence>>

Bravo! Took the words right out of my mouth. Geragos .... what a joke.

Themis
08-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Jury instructions include instructions on circumstantial evidence; a jury can convict on the basis of circumstantial evidence.

chicoliving
08-06-2008, 04:52 PM
KING: With us on the phone is the grandmother, Cindy Anthony. The obvious question, Cindy, everyone asks, why won't your daughter talk?

CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: Well, Casey's maintained that she's protecting Caylee, and she's also protecting the family from physical harm. We believe that 100 percent. The reason I called in, I spoke to Nancy, is I had a question for Doctor Kobilinsky. He made a comment -- because I'm kind of intrigued when asking the authorities about what constitutes decomposition, things like that. He talked about check and see if the hair samples postmortem. I just want to know how can you determine a hair that's fallen off of someone's head, is it postmortem or is it just a hair that's fallen off on a normal thing, maybe shedded on clothes, and will sit there and decompose?

KING: Good question. Dr. Kobilinsky has left, but Stacy Honowitz might be able to answer it. Is there a difference?

HONOWITZ: Well, you know, hair transfers all the time, but I guess the forensics person would really be able to tell you whether or not there is a difference. Obviously, if he made that distinction early on, there is an ability for them to analyze it. He would not have said it if it wasn't the truth. They're able to make a distinction as to whether or not it's a transfer or --

GERAGOS: I'll tell you, my experience with the hairs and with this postmortem, there's a lot of courts that believe that's junk science. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that. ANTHONY: Thank you. That's kind of what I'm wondering. We were also told that, you know, sweat cells, old blood, urine, those can also be used for DNA purposes. But my question is, how long, you know, is that something, because I know that car has had lots of hairs from all of our family. That's been a family car for at least seven or eight years.

KING: Hold it, Cindy, he's going to answer you.

GERAGOS: Cindy, actually the one thing they can do with hair with some degree of certainty is what's called mitochondrial DNA, which goes through the maternal line. They can take a sample of your hair and they could then --

ANTHONY: That just proves that its Caylee's hair, or Casey's hair or my hair or my son's hair, whoever's hair. But does that prove that that hair follicle fell off an article of clothing that was placed in the trunk, or did that fall off of a body that was placed in the trunk?

GERAGOS: They're never going to be able to prove, even if they find a hair that's in there.

ANTHONY: Then that's circumstantial evidence.

GERAGOS: That's all it is.

KING: Cindy, do you have any doubt? Are you convinced your granddaughter is alive?

ANTHONY: I'm absolutely 100 percent convinced she's alive or at least was alive when Casey gave her to the person she gave her to.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/05/lkl.01.html

ThoughtFox
08-06-2008, 04:56 PM
omg - she must be totally whacked out crazy to call in and ask that question.

:eek: Unbelievable.

Bon
08-06-2008, 05:01 PM
Hi everyone!
I'm a newbie here, can't get enough of this case!

I too thought that was a very strange question that Cindy would call in and ask on national television!Very suspicious, imo! I don't trust her either!


So glad I found this site!

chicoliving
08-06-2008, 05:11 PM
Too bad Dr. K had left. He was on another news show previous to LKL explaining exactly how they can tell if a hair with root is from a live person or a dead person.

delaney
08-06-2008, 06:16 PM
Thanks for following up and providing the transcript.

tabbykiki
08-06-2008, 11:57 PM
I seen the show live and I too thought it was odd that Cindy would even ask that sort of question. This family is very strange indeed. If my daughter (or in her case grandbaby) was missing I wouldn't even want to think about dead bodies or anything similar. I would be out looking for my baby not calling in to the shows. She sure does an awful lot of press. I don't understand it.

BeanE
09-18-2008, 03:31 PM
Just happened to read this today from the Larry King show while I was looking for a transcript of the bond hearing. I hadn't seen it discussed before, and found it interesting enough to post (or puke):

LARRY KING: Do you have any thoughts, Cindy, as to what happened to your granddaughter?

CINDY ANTHONY: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that I made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that -- I'm very confident that Casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find Caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.

________________________


Cindy doesn't answer King's question. And she doesn't want to find Caylee because Caylee is a defenseless baby who's been missing for more than month.

She wants to find Caylee so Casey will be exonerated.

Glad she waited until her thoughts were all clear so she could come to that realization.

TraceyLeigh
09-18-2008, 03:39 PM
Very interesting choice of wording, indeed! And disturbing, I might add.

doortonowhere
09-18-2008, 03:41 PM
IF and that is a BIG IF Caylee were to be found alive, KC would NOT be exonerated of all charges cause she did write all those checks, and she did put her child in danger so those charges will in fact stick.


Edited to add that it's nice to know where her priorities are when it comes to Caylee!!

suggie
09-18-2008, 03:44 PM
She didn't say Alive....OMG..she is such a waste!

newsjunkie
09-18-2008, 03:45 PM
It is just so sad to me that all of us APPEAR to love and grieve over that baby more than the people who should.

doortonowhere
09-18-2008, 03:46 PM
She didn't say Alive....OMG..she is such a waste!


HUGE Waste!! Ab-So-Lute-Ly!!

Blackwatch
09-18-2008, 03:46 PM
Very interesting choice of wording, indeed! And disturbing, I might add.

Very disturbing. Does that mean that Cindy doesn't care what happens to Caylee, whether she's warm, happy, tortured, or raped, so long as Casey can be vindicated of her murder?

This boggles my mind.

My opinion, of course.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 03:46 PM
Well, her thoughts are clearer...aren't they?!

ElizaAvalon
09-18-2008, 03:48 PM
Just happened to read this today from the Larry King show while I was looking for a transcript of the bond hearing. I hadn't seen it discussed before, and found it interesting enough to post (or puke):

LARRY KING: Do you have any thoughts, Cindy, as to what happened to your granddaughter?

CINDY ANTHONY: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that I made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that -- I'm very confident that Casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find Caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.



Very interesting! Good catch.

Yup. I'm sure her thoughts during the interview were a lot clearer than on the night of the 911 calls.

On the night of the 911 calls, she suspected, but didn't want to believe the truth. And when she gave this interview, she KNEW the truth.

Now she's just trying to save her daughter. Period.

DAWN TREADER
09-18-2008, 03:50 PM
It appears Cindy began backpeddling on the purpose/intent of her 911 calls not long after they were released to the public.

Kalie61
09-18-2008, 03:59 PM
I'm not going to read to much into that statement. I think it can be a pretty daunting task to appear on Larry King in the first place. I don't think she put a lot of thought to the question, and didn't answer it the way she would have liked.

I doubt it implys any wrong doing on her part. I believe it is more than obvious that she wants her grandaughter back alive more than anything.

MnkeyBznes
09-18-2008, 04:02 PM
I'm not going to read to much into that statement. I think it can be a pretty daunting task to appear on Larry King in the first place. I don't think she put a lot of thought to the question, and didn't answer it the way she would have liked.

I doubt it implys any wrong doing on her part. I believe it is more than obvious that she wants her grandaughter back alive more than anything.

Thats not what I read

Blackwatch
09-18-2008, 04:03 PM
I'm not going to read to much into that statement. I think it can be a pretty daunting task to appear on Larry King in the first place. I don't think she put a lot of thought to the question, and didn't answer it the way she would have liked.

I doubt it implys any wrong doing on her part. I believe it is more than obvious that she wants her grandaughter back alive more than anything.

There's an old song entitled, "If I Could Turn Back Time". I believe many of us would like to do that. Of course she wants her grandaughter back alive, but she, nor anyone else, can turn back time. It's how you pick yourself up and carry on that counts and from what I've seen . . .well, you've all seen what I have.

My opinion only.

JMCDAD
09-18-2008, 04:08 PM
I think this is why so little compassion has been shown for them
In the beginning their response was much like everyones else's
They didn't believe Caseys lies, they told Casey that this was all her own fault for not coming forward and for lying to everyone including LE, and they were at least trying to get Casey to tell the truth so they could find Caylee
And then at some point it all changed
So they either believe all her lies now, or they know something now, that they aren't telling anyone including LE.
Either way it doesn't seem right as meanwhile LE and volunteers are searching high and low
While Casey sits in their house, who everyone knows, not just suspects, has lied about everything.

GizzySmith
09-18-2008, 04:11 PM
I love Freudian slips.

Brini
09-18-2008, 04:17 PM
just happened to read this today from the larry king show while i was looking for a transcript of the bond hearing. I hadn't seen it discussed before, and found it interesting enough to post (or puke):

Larry king: Do you have any thoughts, cindy, as to what happened to your granddaughter?

Cindy anthony: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that i made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that -- i'm very confident that casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.

________________________


cindy doesn't answer king's question. And she doesn't want to find caylee because caylee is a defenseless baby who's been missing for more than month.

She wants to find caylee so casey will be exonerated.

Glad she waited until her thoughts were all clear so she could come to that realization.

omgmgmgmg!

Brini
09-18-2008, 04:18 PM
Very disturbing. Does that mean that Cindy doesn't care what happens to Caylee, whether she's warm, happy, tortured, or raped, so long as Casey can be vindicated of her murder?

This boggles my mind.

My opinion, of course.

And, she might get herself knocked up, AGAIN!

Brini
09-18-2008, 04:19 PM
Thats not what I read

Nor I.

BeanE
09-18-2008, 04:21 PM
I think this is why so little compassion has been shown for them
In the beginning their response was much like everyones else's
They didn't believe Caseys lies, they told Casey that this was all her own fault for not coming forward and for lying to everyone including LE, and they were at least trying to get Casey to tell the truth so they could find Caylee
And then at some point it all changed
So they either believe all her lies now, or they know something now, that they aren't telling anyone including LE.
Either way it doesn't seem right as meanwhile LE and volunteers are searching high and low
While Casey sits in their house, who everyone knows, not just suspects, has lied about everything.

This interview is from July 29, 14 days after Cindy found out Caylee was missing.

BeanE
09-18-2008, 04:28 PM
I'm not going to read to much into that statement. I think it can be a pretty daunting task to appear on Larry King in the first place. I don't think she put a lot of thought to the question, and didn't answer it the way she would have liked.

I doubt it implys any wrong doing on her part. I believe it is more than obvious that she wants her grandaughter back alive more than anything.

I thought the question was a very simple one: "what do you think happened to your granddaughter". She didn't answer it at all. What she said instead was what was uppermost on her mind, as all us humans do.

It's not wrongdoing to say what's uppermost on your mind. It's interesting, and it's telling. This sort of thing is studied.

And yes, she wants her granddaughter back alive... here she tells us why. That is what I have a huge problem with. What she says in response to King is way outside the bounds of normalcy. I makes my heart ache all the more for little Caylee.

Patty G
09-18-2008, 04:30 PM
There is a thread started ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68545

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 04:31 PM
I'm not going to read to much into that statement. I think it can be a pretty daunting task to appear on Larry King in the first place. I don't think she put a lot of thought to the question, and didn't answer it the way she would have liked.

I doubt it implys any wrong doing on her part. I believe it is more than obvious that she wants her grandaughter back alive more than anything.Statements like this are difficult to overcome. She claims to have put thought into it and yet still makes such a statement?!

MD MOMMY
09-18-2008, 04:35 PM
I would hate to hear what she had to say if asked that right after the 911 calls..geesh.

BeanE
09-18-2008, 04:36 PM
There is a thread started ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68545

Thank you, Patty. I'll request a merge.

Samijeansg
09-18-2008, 04:36 PM
Very disturbing. Does that mean that Cindy doesn't care what happens to Caylee, whether she's warm, happy, tortured, or raped, so long as Casey can be vindicated of her murder?

This boggles my mind.

My opinion, of course.


It sure does boggle the mind! I just don't get those people at all.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 04:37 PM
There is a thread started ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68545I think this comment does deserve a thread of its' own actually. It is quite a statement.

Baznme
09-18-2008, 04:40 PM
I'm not going to read to much into that statement. I think it can be a pretty daunting task to appear on Larry King in the first place. I don't think she put a lot of thought to the question, and didn't answer it the way she would have liked.

I doubt it implys any wrong doing on her part. I believe it is more than obvious that she wants her grandaughter back alive more than anything.

That is what I read also. I agree. All it says to me is she desperately wants thing to be the way they were. Caylee home and safe and KC out of trouble. I don't think she knew half of what KC was into only 2 weeks into the disapperance of Caylee and at the time of the interview with King.

suspicious mind
09-18-2008, 04:42 PM
It's been very obvious that defending kc is cindy's only motivation. Even if it means never giving Caylee a proper burial. If it saves kc, it's good with cindy.

Patty G
09-18-2008, 04:43 PM
There is a thread started ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68545

I think this comment does deserve a thread of its' own actually. It is quite a statement.

My comment that says "there is a thread started" needs a thread of it's own? :waitasec:

CHICANA
09-18-2008, 04:44 PM
Very disturbing. Does that mean that Cindy doesn't care what happens to Caylee, whether she's warm, happy, tortured, or raped, so long as Casey can be vindicated of her murder?

This boggles my mind.

My opinion, of course.

She's the one that got Casey arrested, I hardly think Casey was her main priority. There can be more than one reason that she wants Caylee found, in her mind, when that happens everything will fall into place. She'll have her grandaughter and her daughter.

CHICANA
09-18-2008, 04:47 PM
It's been very obvious that defending kc is cindy's only motivation. Even if it means never giving Caylee a proper burial. If it saves kc, it's good with cindy.


It wasn't her only motive when she called 911 & said she wanted her arrested, then according to LE was calling them every 5 minutes to see if they'd found out where Caylee was.
If her priority was to defend Casey, we wouldn't know that Caylee was missing.

100%Agave
09-18-2008, 04:48 PM
Sometimes it is the way that you answer or don't answer questions that is very telling. This answer to a very specific question is very telling. You can see what is uppermost in her mind and the fact that she did not answer the actual question is also telling. She knows what happened to Caylee and she does not want to answer so she evades.

Unfortunately, her evasion is almost as bad as not answering the question because it emphasis what is important to her at that moment.

maybe she should have just not answered at all. Or better yet, why cant' you just say "larry, I have no idea what happened to Caylee and I am so upset that I just can't think about it."

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 04:50 PM
My comment that says "there is a thread started" needs a thread of it's own? :waitasec:LOL No, but I read the thread you put up and Cindy's comment I believe needs this one. :blowkiss:

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 04:54 PM
It wasn't her only motive when she called 911 & said she wanted her arrested, then according to LE was calling them every 5 minutes to see if they'd found out where Caylee was.
If her priority was to defend Casey, we wouldn't know that Caylee was missing.Please refer to the 911 calls again and tell me what her motive was for calling. How long into the calls was it before she even mentions Caylee was missing? First was I want my daughter arrested for stealing a car and credit cards, I believe. Repeated. Finally, she gets around to saying something about Caylee.

Karate Dad
09-18-2008, 04:56 PM
I thought the question was a very simple one: "what do you think happened to your granddaughter". She didn't answer it at all. What she said instead was what was uppermost on her mind, as all us humans do.

It's not wrongdoing to say what's uppermost on your mind. It's interesting, and it's telling. This sort of thing is studied.

And yes, she wants her granddaughter back alive... here she tells us why. That is what I have a huge problem with. What she says in response to King is way outside the bounds of normalcy. I makes my heart ache all the more for little Caylee.

Thank You!!!!!! Very well said....:clap:

Spangle
09-18-2008, 04:58 PM
Just happened to read this today from the Larry King show while I was looking for a transcript of the bond hearing. I hadn't seen it discussed before, and found it interesting enough to post (or puke):

LARRY KING: Do you have any thoughts, Cindy, as to what happened to your granddaughter?

CINDY ANTHONY: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that I made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that -- I'm very confident that Casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find Caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.

________________________


Cindy doesn't answer King's question. And she doesn't want to find Caylee because Caylee is a defenseless baby who's been missing for more than month.

She wants to find Caylee so Casey will be exonerated.

Glad she waited until her thoughts were all clear so she could come to that realization.


This has sorta been discussed. It has been pointed out that one of the reasons the family didn't help the searches, is because the searches was for a dead body. Cindy's excuse was that she believed CAylee was alive and it was a waste of time.

But other families in the same situations, who also hoped and believed their love one would be found alive, also supported such searches. IF their love one dead, they wanted to know.

It has been pointed out that if a body was found, that it would make it easier to convict KC. ANd might be the real reason Cindy objected so forcibly to the searches.

BeanE
09-18-2008, 04:59 PM
She's the one that got Casey arrested, I hardly think Casey was her main priority. There can be more than one reason that she wants Caylee found, in her mind, when that happens everything will fall into place. She'll have her grandaughter and her daughter.

I have to disagree with you, Chicana. Cindy has clearly and repeatedly shown that Casey is her main priority. I don't know why that is, but that is what Cindy's behavior has shown emphatically.

On the day the 911 tapes were arrested, a reporter asked Cindy why she'd been saying Casey shouldn't be in jail, when she had called 911 and repeatedly asked them to arrest Casey.

Cindy emphatically stated that she had never asked that Casey be arrested. The reporter told her it was right on the 911 tapes. Cindy flipped her hand dismissively, and said well I haven't listened to them, but I never wanted her arrested.

I find Cindy infinitely more interesting than Casey. I spend quite a bit of time watching and going back and re-watching the many videos of her.

Spangle
09-18-2008, 04:59 PM
OH, and I ment to add.. Great catch. Thanks!

Blackwatch
09-18-2008, 05:05 PM
She's the one that got Casey arrested, I hardly think Casey was her main priority. There can be more than one reason that she wants Caylee found, in her mind, when that happens everything will fall into place. She'll have her grandaughter and her daughter.

Casey wasn't her priority in the beginning, I agree. Her priority at that time was the car and the money; Caylee came later, on the THIRD call.

"There can be more than one reason that she wants Caylee found,"

Like, how many reasons do you need to have to want your grandbaby found? Wouldn't ONE reason suffice?

Just my opinion, of course.

BeanE
09-18-2008, 05:11 PM
This has sorta been discussed. It has been pointed out that one of the reasons the family didn't help the searches, is because the searches was for a dead body. Cindy's excuse was that she believed CAylee was alive and it was a waste of time.

But other families in the same situations, who also hoped and believed their love one would be found alive, also supported such searches. IF their love one dead, they wanted to know.

It has been pointed out that if a body was found, that it would make it easier to convict KC. ANd might be the real reason Cindy objected so forcibly to the searches.

I've thought all along that Cindy was deliberately denying that Caylee could be dead. Not "in denial", the emotional thing, or the stage of grief, but that it seemed a very conscious and proactive and deliberate denial.

What this transcript is telling me, quite clearly, is Cindy's reason for what I perceive as this deliberate denial.

In keeping with that thought, Cindy can not search for a 'dead' Caylee, or give any public indication that Caylee is, or even may be, dead. To do so would endanger Casey's exoneration of charges.

Lots of things of making sense to me now. Her refusal to provide TES with a piece of Caylee's clothing. Her scathing email about Tim M and L Padillo. Her washing the clothes and knife from the car. Her searching the backyard before the police could get there and search. And on and on.

We've all been thinking and saying how nuts, how senseless it is that Cindy won't search for Caylee. This statement makes it make sense. (Hope I'm making sense lol.)

CHICANA
09-18-2008, 05:13 PM
Please refer to the 911 calls again and tell me what her motive was for calling. How long into the calls was it before she even mentions Caylee was missing? First was I want my daughter arrested for stealing a car and credit cards, I believe. Repeated. Finally, she gets around to saying something about Caylee.

Remember what you said about reading between the lines ? Based on CA's my space post and the fact that Casey had already had the car a month and they had the car back these 'crimes' occurred way before she called LE. She called LE when she knew Caylee wasn't with Casey and Casey wasn't 'producing' her. $$ gone over a month, car -gone over a month- no call to LE. Knows Caylee's gone and she called 3 times in a row and was hauling Casey's butt to the police dept.

Hope for the Best
09-18-2008, 05:18 PM
No doubt that this was after CA started believing some of Casey's BS. Trust your first instincts, Cindy. Your daughter did something to her child!

Nedthan Johns
09-18-2008, 05:19 PM
It's my opinion that not only did Casey not deserve to have Caylee in her life, neither did her Grandmother Cindy. The more we hear from Cindy the clearer it is to see why Casey acts the way she does.

CHICANA
09-18-2008, 05:19 PM
Casey wasn't her priority in the beginning, I agree. Her priority at that time was the car and the money; Caylee came later, on the THIRD call.

"There can be more than one reason that she wants Caylee found,"

Like, how many reasons do you need to have to want your grandbaby found? Wouldn't ONE reason suffice?

Just my opinion, of course.

But they 'go' together. If Caylee's dead, Casey's guilty.
If Caylee's alive, she's innocent. They go hand in hand.

If she's asked a question about Casey, her response will be about Casey.
If it's about Caylee, it's about Caylee.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 05:19 PM
Remember what you said about reading between the lines ? Based on CA's my space post and the fact that Casey had already had the car a month and they had the car back these 'crimes' occurred way before she called LE. She called LE when she knew Caylee wasn't with Casey and Casey wasn't 'producing' her. $$ gone over a month, car -gone over a month- no call to LE. Knows Caylee's gone and she called 3 times in a row and was hauling Casey's butt to the police dept.She knew Caylee was gone long before the 911 calls, imo. 31 days.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 05:22 PM
I've thought all along that Cindy was deliberately denying that Caylee could be dead. Not "in denial", the emotional thing, or the stage of grief, but that it seemed a very conscious and proactive and deliberate denial.

What this transcript is telling me, quite clearly, is Cindy's reason for what I perceive as this deliberate denial.

In keeping with that thought, Cindy can not search for a 'dead' Caylee, or give any public indication that Caylee is, or even may be, dead. To do so would endanger Casey's exoneration of charges.

Lots of things of making sense to me now. Her refusal to provide TES with a piece of Caylee's clothing. Her scathing email about Tim M and L Padillo. Her washing the clothes and knife from the car. Her searching the backyard before the police could get there and search. And on and on.

We've all been thinking and saying how nuts, how senseless it is that Cindy won't search for Caylee. This statement makes it make sense. (Hope I'm making sense lol.):clap::clap::clap:

CHICANA
09-18-2008, 05:23 PM
I have to disagree with you, Chicana. Cindy has clearly and repeatedly shown that Casey is her main priority. I don't know why that is, but that is what Cindy's behavior has shown emphatically.

On the day the 911 tapes were arrested, a reporter asked Cindy why she'd been saying Casey shouldn't be in jail, when she had called 911 and repeatedly asked them to arrest Casey.

Cindy emphatically stated that she had never asked that Casey be arrested. The reporter told her it was right on the 911 tapes. Cindy flipped her hand dismissively, and said well I haven't listened to them, but I never wanted her arrested.

I find Cindy infinitely more interesting than Casey. I spend quite a bit of time watching and going back and re-watching the many videos of her.


Do we know for a fact that Casey would be in jail and anybody would know Caylee was missing if it wasn't for Cindy ?

CHICANA
09-18-2008, 05:25 PM
She knew Caylee was gone long before the 911 calls, imo. 31 days.


I disagree and I think LE does also. I was even more convinced after hearing the complete 911 call.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 05:26 PM
Do we know for a fact that Casey would be in jail and anybody would know Caylee was missing if it wasn't for Cindy ?The family would know Caylee was missing, but no...they could have covered this forever and Casey would never have been arrested if Cindy had not gotten enraged over the car and the credit cards. I have felt all along that Cindy had an "uh-oh" moment during those calls and realized they would have to explain Caylee's whereabouts. Caylee was an "afterthought" on those 911 calls and I don't think you can convince me she was not.

Spangle
09-18-2008, 05:26 PM
I've thought all along that Cindy was deliberately denying that Caylee could be dead. Not "in denial", the emotional thing, or the stage of grief, but that it seemed a very conscious and proactive and deliberate denial.

What this transcript is telling me, quite clearly, is Cindy's reason for what I perceive as this deliberate denial.

In keeping with that thought, Cindy can not search for a 'dead' Caylee, or give any public indication that Caylee is, or even may be, dead. To do so would endanger Casey's exoneration of charges.

Lots of things of making sense to me now. Her refusal to provide TES with a piece of Caylee's clothing. Her scathing email about Tim M and L Padillo. Her washing the clothes and knife from the car. Her searching the backyard before the police could get there and search. And on and on.

We've all been thinking and saying how nuts, how senseless it is that Cindy won't search for Caylee. This statement makes it make sense. (Hope I'm making sense lol.)

Wellllllll...... I hope your making sense. Because that is the way my mind has been running as well. I haven't wanted to think this way. But then more pops up. Like this interview.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 05:27 PM
I disagree and I think LE does also. I was even more convinced after hearing the complete 911 call.Just because LE has maintained that they are not looking at the grandparents means nothing to me. They have not officially cleared them either.

HappyChic727
09-18-2008, 05:31 PM
IF and that is a BIG IF Caylee were to be found alive, KC would NOT be exonerated of all charges cause she did write all those checks, and she did put her child in danger so those charges will in fact stick.


Edited to add that it's nice to know where her priorities are when it comes to Caylee!!
Yeah but this lady talks in circles and never really answers any questions with the proper answers. When you are not lying, you don't have to talk in circles or say stupid things on national tv. We have all seen alot of distraught parents on tv and this one takes the cake.

EastSideOfSaddness
09-18-2008, 05:34 PM
Sometimes it is the way that you answer or don't answer questions that is very telling. This answer to a very specific question is very telling. You can see what is uppermost in her mind and the fact that she did not answer the actual question is also telling. She knows what happened to Caylee and she does not want to answer so she evades.

Unfortunately, her evasion is almost as bad as not answering the question because it emphasis what is important to her at that moment.

maybe she should have just not answered at all. Or better yet, why cant' you just say "larry, I have no idea what happened to Caylee and I am so upset that I just can't think about it."

I completely agree. Cindy is so wrapped up in "There is no evidence"....blah blah blah. She did this at the bond hearing and in other interviews. Seems she's into the "no evidence" which leads me to believe she's defending her daughter--that's her first priority, not finding Caylee.

HappyChic727
09-18-2008, 05:34 PM
I think this is why so little compassion has been shown for them
In the beginning their response was much like everyones else's
They didn't believe Caseys lies, they told Casey that this was all her own fault for not coming forward and for lying to everyone including LE, and they were at least trying to get Casey to tell the truth so they could find Caylee
And then at some point it all changed
So they either believe all her lies now, or they know something now, that they aren't telling anyone including LE.
Either way it doesn't seem right as meanwhile LE and volunteers are searching high and low
While Casey sits in their house, who everyone knows, not just suspects, has lied about everything.
LP keeps saying that it changed at a certain time when Casey confided in Lee and told him what really happened and then he told his mother. I don't know if LP has inside information that he kinda just throws out to us . . . like a bone or if he just likes to run with whatever idea he is running with - don't get me wrong, I think he is a good guy.

altruist1000
09-18-2008, 05:41 PM
She knew Caylee was gone long before the 911 calls, imo. 31 days.

I agree, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

The reason for the 911 calls were to get LE to the house to hear the 30 day script prepared by these creatures, IMO.

NEVER BEFORE HAS THE MOTIVATION OF MONEY BEEN SO OBVIOUS, CREATE THE SENSATIONAL STORY TO CAPTURE THE NATIONAL INTEREST, CASH IN.

Creatures like this, the devil is their savior. The ruse is to make it appear they are just like all the other parents & grandparents in the USA/World. Make no mistake, they ARE NOT.

We see really devastated persons pleading for their loved ones, NOT DEMANDING EVERYBODY SEARCH off of their AS***, NOT REQUIRING DONATIONS for donated items displaying the family member.

JMHO & warning, to be very careful who you find yourself recognizing commonality with. There really are MONSTERS among us. THIS IS A SCAM, perpetrated upon the American public, we have NOTHING IN COMMON with this type, imo.

God, hold this small child gently & close for she deserves to be loved.

BeanE
09-18-2008, 05:51 PM
Do we know for a fact that Casey would be in jail and anybody would know Caylee was missing if it wasn't for Cindy ?

I'll have to separate your question into two.

If we accept Lee's sworn testimony at the bond hearing as truth, then we know for a fact that Lee would know Caylee was missing. Cindy had been in the other room, and it was only after 45 minutes of the three of them being there, and then Cindy going to another room, and Lee telling Casey that Cindy couldn't hear her, that Casey changed her story from 'Caylee's fine, I know where she is, and I'll take you to her in the morning' to 'I haven't seen my daughter for 31 days'.

Cindy unexpectedly walked into the room, and accidentally heard that Caylee was missing. It's then that she made the 3rd 911 call.

Lee tried to get Cindy *not* to call the police, or *not* to call the police *yet*. He thought a few more minutes, and he'd be able to get out of Casey what had happened that she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days.

George was on his way home. Would they have told him? I don't know. I think so.

Had Cindy not been the one to pick up the phone, would Lee? Would George? I don't know. I think so.

But in that 3rd call, Cindy wasn't asking for Casey to be arrested in regards to Caylee (nor was she in the first 2 911 calls). She was asking for help in finding Caylee. I don't think she expected Casey to be arrested in regards to Caylee. I don't think she wanted Casey to be arrested in regards to Caylee. Everything speaks to the contrary.

It's not because of Cindy that Casey is in jail. It was LE's decision based on Casey's lies.

What it comes down to is happenstance that led to LE finally deciding to arrest Casey, and a judge deciding there was reason to keep her there under a very high bail.

Cindy did not take any deliberate action in hopes that Casey would be arrested and put in jail in regards to Caylee.

lin
09-18-2008, 06:14 PM
It wasn't her only motive when she called 911 & said she wanted her arrested, then according to LE was calling them every 5 minutes to see if they'd found out where Caylee was.
If her priority was to defend Casey, we wouldn't know that Caylee was missing.

I defended Cindy and George for a long time, and took a lot of heat from family and friends, btw, because of this fact and that
George pulled detectives aside day 1 and told them he and Cindy believed Casey was withholding info and that they feared something may have happened to Caylee. I made excuse after excuse for them. Again, I took a LOT of heat, even from my own mother, but I felt sorry for them and defended them.

As time went by, my opinions changed, right along with their priorities, imo. The more I see and hear from them and about them, the less I think of them and the more I regret my ardent defense of them early on.

IMO it's all about the $$ and Casey now.

Those calls and statements were over 2 months ago.

What have they done for Caylee lately?

diablo
09-18-2008, 06:29 PM
when I read that quote backwards it says "I know my skank daughter killed my grandaughter but thats done now, so I'll do anything to protect her. She can have another kid, but not if she's in jail"

lin
09-18-2008, 06:37 PM
I agree, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

The reason for the 911 calls were to get LE to the house to hear the 30 day script prepared by these creatures, IMO.

NEVER BEFORE HAS THE MOTIVATION OF MONEY BEEN SO OBVIOUS, CREATE THE SENSATIONAL STORY TO CAPTURE THE NATIONAL INTEREST, CASH IN.

Creatures like this, the devil is their savior. The ruse is to make it appear they are just like all the other parents & grandparents in the USA/World. Make no mistake, they ARE NOT.

We see really devastated persons pleading for their loved ones, NOT DEMANDING EVERYBODY SEARCH off of their AS***, NOT REQUIRING DONATIONS for donated items displaying the family member.

JMHO & warning, to be very careful who you find yourself recognizing commonality with. There really are MONSTERS among us. THIS IS A SCAM, perpetrated upon the American public, we have NOTHING IN COMMON with this type, imo.

God, hold this small child gently & close for she deserves to be loved.

You may like these threads about Anthony donations:

Beginning of thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70537&highlight=anthony+donations

Part deux:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70829&highlight=anthony+donations

Part 3 (current) thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71309

Hope to see you there! :)

.

AZRiverRat
09-18-2008, 06:40 PM
It'll all come out in the wash. *pun intended*

Im waiting for the trial.

lin
09-18-2008, 06:44 PM
I'll have to separate your question into two.

If we accept Lee's sworn testimony at the bond hearing as truth, then we know for a fact that Lee would know Caylee was missing. Cindy had been in the other room, and it was only after 45 minutes of the three of them being there, and then Cindy going to another room, and Lee telling Casey that Cindy couldn't hear her, that Casey changed her story from 'Caylee's fine, I know where she is, and I'll take you to her in the morning' to 'I haven't seen my daughter for 31 days'.

Cindy unexpectedly walked into the room, and accidentally heard that Caylee was missing. It's then that she made the 3rd 911 call.

Lee tried to get Cindy *not* to call the police, or *not* to call the police *yet*. He thought a few more minutes, and he'd be able to get out of Casey what had happened that she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days.

George was on his way home. Would they have told him? I don't know. I think so.

Had Cindy not been the one to pick up the phone, would Lee? Would George? I don't know. I think so.

But in that 3rd call, Cindy wasn't asking for Casey to be arrested in regards to Caylee (nor was she in the first 2 911 calls). She was asking for help in finding Caylee. I don't think she expected Casey to be arrested in regards to Caylee. I don't think she wanted Casey to be arrested in regards to Caylee. Everything speaks to the contrary.

It's not because of Cindy that Casey is in jail. It was LE's decision based on Casey's lies.

What it comes down to is happenstance that led to LE finally deciding to arrest Casey, and a judge deciding there was reason to keep her there under a very high bail.

Cindy did not take any deliberate action in hopes that Casey would be arrested and put in jail in regards to Caylee.


You brought up something interesting --- Cindy walked in on Casey telling Lee that she hadn't see Caylee in 31 days. Wonder if she was just telling him that or if they were rehearsing what they were going to tell Cindy?

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 06:47 PM
Frankly, I am not buying into anything the A family is selling. I don't think that conversation happened either.

Pollywog
09-18-2008, 06:58 PM
The thing is KC would still have been arrested even if CA had not called 911 that day. There was the issue with her stealing from Amy and I am sure Amy was not going to let that slide the way CA always did. CA may think she will not be convicted of murder if there is no body, but she will be convicted for the other things in my opinion.

I would hope Caylee is still alive and is with someone who loves her, but we all pretty much know that is not the case.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 07:23 PM
I knew that would happen!! GRRR! Was this quote from the same LKL show as the one they moved the thread to or now will it be lost?!?! :( (I begged to leave it in it's own thread.)

Talison
09-18-2008, 07:54 PM
I do not believe that Cindy's question about the hair banding and the quote about why they want to find Caylee come from the same Larry King Live show.

The quote is from this episode of LKL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHum58uVsIg (July 29)

And IIRC, Cindy was not a guest on the show when she asked the question about the hair banding. She called in that night from home, didn't she?

Talison
09-18-2008, 07:57 PM
Looks like the question about the hair was from August 5th, based on the original post in this thread. So since the quote is from the July 29th show, definitely not the same show.

LaLaw2000
09-18-2008, 08:01 PM
I completely agree. Cindy is so wrapped up in "There is no evidence"....blah blah blah. She did this at the bond hearing and in other interviews. Seems she's into the "no evidence" which leads me to believe she's defending her daughter--that's her first priority, not finding Caylee.

And at that bond hearing Cindy was over the top and very transparent when she was staring at Casey stating, "There is no evidence." Is that merely because she washed Casey's pants? I wonder what else Cindy may have been talking about? Maybe something we know nothing of yet?

That car probably had a wealth of information/evidence that no longer exists or so Cindy and George thinks.

Oakley
09-18-2008, 08:56 PM
And at that bond hearing Cindy was over the top and very transparent when she was staring at Casey stating, "There is no evidence." Is that merely because she washed Casey's pants? I wonder what else Cindy may have been talking about? Maybe something we know nothing of yet?

That car probably had a wealth of information/evidence that no longer exists or so Cindy and George thinks.

I LOVE your posts!

Sammiejam
09-18-2008, 09:31 PM
I've thought all along that Cindy was deliberately denying that Caylee could be dead. Not "in denial", the emotional thing, or the stage of grief, but that it seemed a very conscious and proactive and deliberate denial.

What this transcript is telling me, quite clearly, is Cindy's reason for what I perceive as this deliberate denial.

In keeping with that thought, Cindy can not search for a 'dead' Caylee, or give any public indication that Caylee is, or even may be, dead. To do so would endanger Casey's exoneration of charges.

Lots of things of making sense to me now. Her refusal to provide TES with a piece of Caylee's clothing. Her scathing email about Tim M and L Padillo. Her washing the clothes and knife from the car. Her searching the backyard before the police could get there and search. And on and on.

We've all been thinking and saying how nuts, how senseless it is that Cindy won't search for Caylee. This statement makes it make sense. (Hope I'm making sense lol.)


I could not agree with you more. Now all the pieces have slotted into place for me. I think there is a mixture of deliberate denial (in the face of the media) and subconcious denial in that the horror of this situation is too much for her to bare. I think she has gone totally wackadoo, nutbag crazy. She is a loose cannon and will do ANYTHING to protect her DAUGHTER. I think if she allowed one shred of TRUTH to permeate her skull - she would probably kill Casey in her sleep. Hence the total and absolute denial on every level.

SeriouslySearching
09-18-2008, 10:25 PM
Looks like the question about the hair was from August 5th, based on the original post in this thread. So since the quote is from the July 29th show, definitely not the same show.Thanks, Talison! Too bad really...because I think it is one of Cindy's most telling quotes.

BeanE
09-19-2008, 02:01 PM
And at that bond hearing Cindy was over the top and very transparent when she was staring at Casey stating, "There is no evidence." Is that merely because she washed Casey's pants? I wonder what else Cindy may have been talking about? Maybe something we know nothing of yet?

That car probably had a wealth of information/evidence that no longer exists or so Cindy and George thinks.

I wish it was more clear who Cindy was looking at during her testimony, Casey or Jose. She was almost constantly looking in that direction when cross-examined. I would REALLY like to see a tape from a viewpoint behind Casey and Jose.

Sometimes it was clear who she was looking at, but most of the time not. In any case, it was bizarre. Sometimes her head was turned to the prosecute, but her eyes were practically coming out of their sockets she was looking so hard over to the defense side. Just bizarre.

Why would anyone just answering questions and telling the truth need to do that? I've just never seen anything like that before.

BeanE
09-19-2008, 02:06 PM
Here is a link to the transcript the quote is from. I'm sorry. Just realized I hadn't linked it in:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/lkl.01.html


Nothing about hair banding in the transcript.

Dr. Pennypacker
09-19-2008, 02:08 PM
Frankly, I am not buying into anything the A family is selling. I don't think that conversation happened either.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

MarleneM
09-19-2008, 04:11 PM
when I read that quote backwards it says "I know my skank daughter killed my grandaughter but thats done now, so I'll do anything to protect her. She can have another kid, but not if she's in jail"

:spit:

Amster
09-19-2008, 04:29 PM
I think the nanny story was cooked up by Lee and KC.

Just Jayla
03-23-2011, 01:58 AM
August 5th CA was asking questions on national television about the death band? I missed this one, too.
As a similar thread notes, CA is unbelievable. THIS call in should be pointed out to her the next time she tries to say she never thought Caylee was dead. Bull-oney.

Chiquita71
03-23-2011, 03:20 AM
KING: With us on the phone is the grandmother, Cindy Anthony. The obvious question, Cindy, everyone asks, why won't your daughter talk?

CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: Well, Casey's maintained that she's protecting Caylee, and she's also protecting the family from physical harm. We believe that 100 percent. The reason I called in, I spoke to Nancy, is I had a question for Doctor Kobilinsky. He made a comment -- because I'm kind of intrigued when asking the authorities about what constitutes decomposition, things like that. He talked about check and see if the hair samples postmortem. I just want to know how can you determine a hair that's fallen off of someone's head, is it postmortem or is it just a hair that's fallen off on a normal thing, maybe shedded on clothes, and will sit there and decompose?

KING: Good question. Dr. Kobilinsky has left, but Stacy Honowitz might be able to answer it. Is there a difference?

HONOWITZ: Well, you know, hair transfers all the time, but I guess the forensics person would really be able to tell you whether or not there is a difference. Obviously, if he made that distinction early on, there is an ability for them to analyze it. He would not have said it if it wasn't the truth. They're able to make a distinction as to whether or not it's a transfer or --

GERAGOS: I'll tell you, my experience with the hairs and with this postmortem, there's a lot of courts that believe that's junk science. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that. ANTHONY: Thank you. That's kind of what I'm wondering. We were also told that, you know, sweat cells, old blood, urine, those can also be used for DNA purposes. But my question is, how long, you know, is that something, because I know that car has had lots of hairs from all of our family. That's been a family car for at least seven or eight years.

KING: Hold it, Cindy, he's going to answer you.

GERAGOS: Cindy, actually the one thing they can do with hair with some degree of certainty is what's called mitochondrial DNA, which goes through the maternal line. They can take a sample of your hair and they could then --

ANTHONY: That just proves that its Caylee's hair, or Casey's hair or my hair or my son's hair, whoever's hair. But does that prove that that hair follicle fell off an article of clothing that was placed in the trunk, or did that fall off of a body that was placed in the trunk?

GERAGOS: They're never going to be able to prove, even if they find a hair that's in there.

ANTHONY: Then that's circumstantial evidence.

GERAGOS: That's all it is.

KING: Cindy, do you have any doubt? Are you convinced your granddaughter is alive?

ANTHONY: I'm absolutely 100 percent convinced she's alive or at least was alive when Casey gave her to the person she gave her to.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/05/lkl.01.html

August 5th CA was asking questions on national television about the death band? I missed this one, too.
As a similar thread notes, CA is unbelievable. THIS call in should be pointed out to her the next time she tries to say she never thought Caylee was dead. Bull-oney.

RespectfullyQuoted chicoliving and Just Jayla :)
BBM

I had never before today, read this quote by Cindy. She is asked if she thinks Caylee is alive and she says "or at least was alive when Casey gave her to the person she gave her to." There we have it. Cindy was not in denial and is not in denial now. She was able to entertain the idea of Caylee's death, but only at the hands of someone other than Casey. It is always someone else.

There is another quote from Cindy from early on(paraphrase)"Lee and I have had a chance to get used to the idea that Caylee is gone" she was speaking about George, giving an excuse for something asked about George. I have the quote in my notes and I will find it. But the one above really says it all-I just cannot see a person in denial when she can say that and accuse others of the murder of her granddaughter. There is no need to accuse people of something that did not happen.

:twocents:

strawberry
03-23-2011, 07:23 AM
Thank you, JustJayla, for bumping these threads. I've never heard of this incident. I've been reading through transcripts and old threads to refresh my memory but this one takes the cake!!