Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #58

[Ladybass0711]

Please continue here!!

Reposted from christine



Before posting, look around the forum!!!!

FORUM DEDICATED TO THE DISAPPEARANCE OF CAYLEE ANTHONY (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166)

there are threads already started on many topics.


please...please....please...before posting look at the forum and put your posts in the proper area.


eta....I posted this last night to try and explain the purpose of having a forum
I posted that to explain to new posters how 'it works'.....k......

Imagine this.......someone walks into a police station...says, my grandchild is missing...file gets opened...A THREAD....we started this case with A THREAD...this thread, went on and on...prolly got in the teens (we close at 15 to 20 pages and start new)....then we decide..OK...one FILE (thread) is not working...we need to spread out. So we open a forum...MANY FILES (threads) each discussing a particular part of the case.

So, if you want to talk about Myspace, go to here, Myspace and facebook comments (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68058)

If you want to talk about 911 calls, go here
911 Transcripts (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68096)

If you want to see maps of the area, go here
Maps (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67867)

If you want to know about searches, go here
The Search for Caylee-Possible Physical Locations (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68151)


Think Ricardo is the dad? I do...LOL...go here
Casey and Ricardo (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68252)


The discussion thread is to bring up things there is NOT ALREADY being discussed. Look through the forum before posting....post in the right area.

No one is trying to be mean. You ALL ROCK! Just trying to organize so this goes smooth. Lately it's been post after post of the same thing in this one thread....it's not helping.

There is an AMAZING group of posters joined here...let's make it work.

[Elley Mae]

Thanks LadyBass.

[Blink34]

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLbeachdawg http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2462546#post2462546)
AAAAAAAHH I get it...so using the shovel to PRY open the shed doors...by pushing them with a force so it breaks the hatch thingy that the lock is hooked on off...now THAT I can see as probable! thank you for that visual!....breaking and severing the lock with the shovel was a lot harder to comprehend. However...a SHOVEL...would likely be able to slide in between the space of the doors and be used as a wedge.

More plausible I agree, I still think you would have to bust the masterlock which I do not see happening. Also, again why not a vandalism or destruction of property or break in note/count on the burglary report ?
We know he never ammended the report either.. he's a detective??

[Mendara]

If this woman turns out to be guilty of murdering this child, she may turn out to be the most hated person in america - IMHO.

[Blink34]

Do we know if there is a life insurance policy on Caylee Anthony?

[Nedthan Johns]

I am reposting this, I originally posted it on the Greta thread. I think it's relevant and not sure if it's been discussed before. If Casey was driving her friends car while she was in Puerto Rico, WHY then did Casey steal mommy's car?

Now that we know the inquiry about an apartment from a Zeneida was on June 17th, that fits in the time frame, 2 days after Caylee is last seen. I wonder if anyone in that apartment office remembered this Zeneida filling out that card. sloppy handwriting, discontinued number, sounds to me that this was Casey. Now was she covering or what it premeditated? That's the million dollar question. I say cover-up, because if it was pre-meditated she would have had taken the shovel a lot earlier. So something happened to Caylee after June 15 but before June 17th if we consider Casey filled out that card at the apartment.

Did Cindy and Casey get into a fight about Cindy taking Casey to see Great Grandpa for Father's Day? Is this when the fight happened and Casey stormed out with Caylee? Was Caylee murdered for some sort of revenge against the mother? The time frame from the 17th when this card was filled out until the 22nd-24th when the shovel was borrowed and gas cans stollen, could Caylee's body have been buried in the families backyard the whole time? Was the shovel borrowed prior to the gas cans being stollen, I don't think the neighbors could remember the exact date? Was Caylee trying to pin this murder on her mother? She had a friends car to use, but instead she went to the home and stole her mother's car, not her father's, and didn't use her friends. Why steal the mother's car when she already had one to dispose of the body? To me this suggests the body was buried in the back yard and Caylee used her mother's car to move the body. That body may not have been in the car as long as we all think. A couple of hours with an already decomposing body would have been enough to cause the car to smell. But then Casey ditches the car and purposely leaves her purse behind. Why? If she was framing her mother, why not return the car? I don't believe she accidently left her purse behind. Was she planning on disappearing too? She knew her parents didn't know where Amy lived, so how long would it have been before Casey really disappeared?

[Starr58]

While your Grand daughter is missing whould you be riding around in a chauferred towncar...ughhhhhhhhh:shocked2::puke::puke::puke:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7146584&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Fandy]

I am so ready for this to be over also...that child has been missing for almost 2 months and the mother's games continue with the imaginary characters....

(it reminds me of this movie I saw on cable with Samuel L. Jackson and Julianne Moore, Freedomland)

[gigi2009]

It bugged me that he didn't amend the report.

I posted this on the Greta thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JBean
Why is the gas can story not reasonable? I am missing something. George reported the gas cans stolen in the morning of the 24th and told the officer that they were probably taken after the 22nd, IIRC.
Then he sees Casey in the afternoon and she displays some suspicious behavior by trying to keep George out of the car..and then he discovers his stolen gas cans.
Since I doubt there was an APB out on the gas cans and I doubt that LE was actually even looking for his gas cans, I don't find it odd that he didn't report back to the police. Especially since he would have to tell them that his own daughter took them.

So besides the fact that we want to know exactly why Casey took the gas cans, why does George's story sound so suspicious?


Because NORMAL people would call the police to amend the report. We woke up one morning to find my van's window shattered. We filed a police report. Later on it dawned on my husband that he didn't move my car when he was weed whacking and a pebble must've hit the window. He just didn't notice it. He called and amended the report. Why? 1) LE does take neighborhood crime seriously. 2) LE tracks vandalism/crime in neighborhoods to see if stepped up patrols are needed. 3) Neighborhood watches are also notified. 4) Crime in your neighborhood is documented and affects your property values. 5) Homeowners insurance goes up as well with crime in the neighborhood. (And Florida already has serious insurance problems! LOL) And yes, even a small matter of stolen gas cans can add to all this. Because it is theft pure and simple.
__________________Gigi

[DianeB]

Do we know if there is a life insurance policy on Caylee Anthony?Maybe. I can't see Casey paying the premiums, but maybe the grandparents might have taken out a policy as a 'college fund' kind of thing.

I think the beneficiary would have to be someone who would suffer a fiduciary loss in the event of the insured's death, which would mean it's more likely that any payout would go to Casey (presumably as the mother, she would be the person who would be responsible for any funeral/burial costs).

[DianeB]

I am reposting this, I originally posted it on the Greta thread. I think it's relevant and not sure if it's been discussed before. If Casey was driving her friends car while she was in Puerto Rico, WHY then did Casey steal mommy's car? Amy didn't go to PR until July. Her car was borrowed after the family car had been towed.

[maya.morgen]

I am so ready for this to be over also...that child has been missing for almost 2 months and the mother's games continue with the imaginary characters....

(it reminds me of this movie I saw on cable with Samuel L. Jackson and Julianne Moore, Freedomland)


Not only of that,it reminds me of so many other parents who put up shows on national TV and begged and cried and in the end they admitted to have lost it for a tiny moment.:mad:

[Nedthan Johns]

The lie on the 24th.

Casey originally reported her daughter was missing since June 9th. She stated many times even to LE that she had been missing over a month, therefore there is NO way that the boyfriend heard Caylee in the background on the 24th. After more questioning, I believe he remembered hearing Casey talk to her daughter, but didn't hear the daughter per say. Even Casey herself said she had been missing, so how could it have been Caylee in the background. Another cover-up by Casey. This child was murdered I believe on June 16th the day her Grandpa last saw her.

[Nedthan Johns]

Diane,


ahhh... thank you. So Casey didn't have a car and needed one to dispose of the body. More reason for me to believe Caylee was once buried in that backyard.

[Zuckerschnecke]

Does anyone remember something about the car being backed into the driveway and it was unusual. I think a neighbor mentioned this. When was this? Or am I losing my mind over this?

I am so rooting for Caylee to be alive and well but everytime I hear there's a press conference I feel sick to my stomach.

[RNmomnFL]

Regarding searches for sweet Caylee: Why has LE not released where they were looking yesterday "based on a tip"? Behind an elementary school as stated by the media. We know from our guy Jo on the scene a possible search area but wouldn't it be prudent for LE to let the public know so if anyone has relative information to the search site (saw something in that locale) they could come forward. I find the silence deafening. MOO.
Also, what have the cameras shown that were in the Amscot parking lot as reported by fellow WS posters? Did Casey push her car into the lot? Also, prudent info for the public to know. If so, maybe someone saw something. I'm suspicious that the pushing of the car never happened thus we haven't heard of it much from eyewitness accounts. Again, MOO. Would love to know more about the scenario of leaving the car in the Amscot lot.

[Blink34]

Maybe. I can't see Casey paying the premiums, but maybe the grandparents might have taken out a policy as a 'college fund' kind of thing.

I think the beneficiary would have to be someone who would suffer a fiduciary loss in the event of the insured's death, which would mean it's more likely that any payout would go to Casey (presumably as the mother, she would be the person who would be responsible for any funeral/burial costs).
Maybe not, but I would think it should be checked to exclude the possibility. My parents took out insurance in my kids name as a gift/investment vehicle.. (they are perfectly safe :)

I also think Caylee's social and name should be checked for activity, apparently it is a popular practice among theiving parents to misuse their own kids ID..

[maya.morgen]

The lie on the 24th.

Casey originally reported her daughter was missing since June 9th. She stated many times even to LE that she had been missing over a month, therefore there is NO way that the boyfriend heard Caylee in the background on the 24th. After more questioning, I believe he remembered hearing Casey talk to her daughter, but didn't hear the daughter per say. Even Casey herself said she had been missing, so how could it have been Caylee in the background. Another cover-up by Casey. This child was murdered I believe on June 16th the day her Grandpa last saw her.

Why on earth did she complicate things and said she dropped Caylee off on the 9th?WHy not say 16th or 17th?:confused:

[Blink34]

Does anyone remember something about the car being backed into the driveway and it was unusual. I think a neighbor mentioned this. When was this? Or am I losing my mind over this?

I am so rooting for Caylee to be alive and well but everytime I hear there's a press conference I feel sick to my stomach.

Said by neighbor as reported by press, no direct quote, but I believe it, and I think it goes to my point that she did NOT live there then, and she did not have access to get into the house

[Busylady]

I am just a little bit smaller than Casey, I am not sure I could push a car? So having a rough time believing she pushed a car by herself.

[shannon718]

Does anyone remember something about the car being backed into the driveway and it was unusual. I think a neighbor mentioned this. When was this? Or am I losing my mind over this?

I am so rooting for Caylee to be alive and well but everytime I hear there's a press conference I feel sick to my stomach.

Yes. the neighbor reported that casey backed her car up to the garage (after borrowing the shovel) and he said that it was unusual for her to do.

Peterson also backed his truck up to the garage when removing "blue tarps" the day Laci went missing...

All the more ominous.

[Mendara]

"We went through a lot of scenarios with the authorities, accidents and stuff, and none of it makes sense," she said. "Why put us through all this? It doesn't make sense. She wouldn't do that," Cindy said.

In reference to being asked about formal charges being filed against Casey Tuesday, Cindy said she is pleased they did not charge her with anything additional to charges leading to her arrest July 16.

Oh Cindy SHE WOULD put you through all this, because she hates you. IMHO.

"If they had evidence on her, they could have charged her with what they think she may have done," Cindy said.

[Nedthan Johns]

Let's just say Casey did murder Caylee, and presumably buried her in the backyard (I trust the dogs more then I do any of the families lies) so, why then or what motivated Casey to MOVE the body? Was there a smell present? Was she trying to frame her mother for the crime? Casey knew her parents did not know where Amy was living, so Amy had to take them to the apartment. How long had Casey planned on pretending to look for this babysitter?

[Amster]

Did George say if the gas cans were empty when he found them in the trunk?

About the purse being left in the car.....has that been confirmed by LE?

I've decided not to believe another word spewed by the Anthonys....

[Blink34]

Let's just say Casey did murder Caylee, and presumably buried her in the backyard (I trust the dogs more then I do any of the families lies) so, why then or what motivated Casey to MOVE the body? Was there a smell present? Was she trying to frame her mother for the crime? Casey knew her parents did not know where Amy was living, so Amy had to take them to the apartment. How long had Casey planned on pretending to look for this babysitter?

She confessed to Jesse and he told her it had to moved or it would be found. Possibly prompted by guilt, or the knowledge that her parents were having cement poured the weekend of 7/4 and she was not sure where..

[Nedthan Johns]

Shannon: Yes. the neighbor reported that casey backed her car up to the garage (after borrowing the shovel) and he said that it was unusual for her to do.


Do you know this as fact? I read the neighbors could not remember the day she borrowed the shovel, but did the backing of the car correlate with the borrowing of the shovel?

[shannon718]

Why on earth did she complicate things and said she dropped Caylee off on the 9th?WHy not say 16th or 17th?:confused:

Casey never said the 9th Cindy did. She confused Fathers day which was the 15th for the 9th.(something about vacation time; Bond hearing)

Casey said specifically that she hadn't seen her daughter in "31 days" Which if you count backwards from that 911 call which was made on the 16th....it will bring you to June 15th. Casey was stating that she hadn't seen her in 31 days which means June 15th. And we know Cindy saw her on the 15th

And George last saw her on the 16th.

No one but the invisible "Zanny" has seen her since.

I think June 16th is the day that whatever happened -happened to Little Caylee.

[DianeB]

Bottom line: last alleged sighting of Caylee = June 15th (by Cindy); June 16th (by George); June 16th (by Casey).

All of the spin and obfuscation does not change the fact that it was three members of this family who were the last known people to have seen that child, and no one is vouching that she was alive after Monday June 16th.

Independent verification in the form of the Father's Day video puts the last known 'proof of life' date at June 15th.



"In this family, if the lips are moving? Lying!"
Kimberly Guilfoyle, Fox News

[Nedthan Johns]

She confessed to Jesse and he told her it had to moved or it would be found. Possibly prompted by guilt, or the knowledge that her parents were having cement poured the weekend of 7/4 and she was not sure where..

Blink: This could very well be the reason, I had forgotten about the cement.

[Amster]

While your Grand daughter is missing whould you be riding around in a chauferred towncar...ughhhhhhhhh:shocked2::puke::puke::puke:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7146584&version=1&locale=EN-US

Cindy is now a celebrity. A role she is relishing. I wish the media would totally ignore her, George and Lee.

[gigi2009]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17110771/detail.html

Ortiz not the father according to Family Attorney.

[Elley Mae]

LE are going to hold there cards close to there chest,the minute they charge her with anything that has to do with the death (IF) they know,they have to release what information the have to Baez. Their just not ready to do that. JMO

[Patty G]

While your Grand daughter is missing whould you be riding around in a chauferred towncar...ughhhhhhhhh:shocked2::puke::puke::puke:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7146584&version=1&locale=EN-US


There goes all of Casey's bond money .................:bang:

[raeann]

One reason that GA most likely made a police report was for insurance purposes. In order to be reimbursed for any repairs, the insurance company requires a report to be filed. We (and also our next door neighbors) have had vandalism damage to our outside landscaping lighting on several occasions. The sheriffs officers filled out the forms, said the "pink one" is for your insurance, and said that unless someone gets video of the vandals which includes their cars, tags and enough lighting to clearly identify the people while they are smashing the lights, there is no way to ever prosecute anyone even if they admit to someone they did it and brag about it. So, I did not report back to the sheriffs office, even though someone later did tell us who had done it, they had already said there was no point in doing so!

[maya.morgen]

Casey never said the 9th Cindy did. She confused Fathers day which was the 15th for the 9th.(something about vacation time; Bond hearing)

Casey said specifically that she hadn't seen her daughter in "31 days" Which if you count backwards from that 911 call which was made on the 16th....it will bring you to June 15th. Casey was stating that she hadn't seen her in 31 days which means June 15th. And we know Cindy saw her on the 15th

And George last saw her on the 16th.

No one but the invisible "Zanny" has seen her since.

I think June 16th is the day that whatever happened -happened to Little Caylee.
Thanks.:) I was confused.

[Carrington]

Cindy is now a celebrity. A role she is relishing. I wish the media would totally ignore her, George and Lee.

Who would send a limo? A high powered attorney. I smell a lawsuit coming against media or LE by Cindy and George.
IMO

[DianeB]

While your Grand daughter is missing whould you be riding around in a chauferred towncar...ughhhhhhhhh:shocked2::puke::puke::puke:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7146584&version=1&locale=EN-USThat's the kind of towncar used to ferry guests to TV tapings, actors who get chauffeured to movie sets, etc.

I don't think Cindy is paying for it.

[miss lisa]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17110771/detail.html

Ortiz not the father according to Family Attorney.

I wonder why Ortiz's girlfriend was on Casey's visitor log???

[tehcloser]

Would would send a limo? A high powered attorney. I smell a lawsuit coming against media or LE by Cindy and George.
IMO

More shades of the McCanns eh? Let them sue, they will have to go to court to prove it's liable....do they want to go there, I think not.

[shannon718]

Would would send a limo? A high powered attorney. I smell a lawsuit coming against media or LE by Cindy and George.
IMO

A law suit for what though? Cindy couldn't keep her mouth shut even if her life depended on it. Everytime she speaks she digs a bigger hole for herself, George, and Casey.

Thank God for that.

[maya.morgen]

Call me biased but I think Cindy loves the media attention.:rolleyes:

[gigi2009]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_W_w_bAo-k

Cindy's morning Fox News strategy interview.

[Nedthan Johns]

I am assuming here, but if Casey buried the body in the backyard found out her parents were pouring cement, panicked and moved the body. Did she accidently leave her purse in the car or was it planted? Too bad the neighbors cannot remember the exact date they saw Casey backing up to the garage and borrowing thier shovel. Could this be the date the shed was broken into and the gas cans taken? I wonder if there was anything on the nozzle of that gas can or if they can test the remains in the cans to see if it matched any gas in the tank? Or did Casey use that gasoline for some other sinister methods of destroying the body?

[JBean]

Casey never said the 9th Cindy did. She confused Fathers day which was the 15th for the 9th.(something about vacation time; Bond hearing)

Casey said specifically that she hadn't seen her daughter in "31 days" Which if you count backwards from that 911 call which was made on the 16th....it will bring you to June 15th. Casey was stating that she hadn't seen her in 31 days which means June 15th. And we know Cindy saw her on the 15th

And George last saw her on the 16th.

No one but the invisible "Zanny" has seen her since.

I think June 16th is the day that whatever happened -happened to Little Caylee.
Actually, Casey specifically told the investigators 6-9 in the police report. She may have misspoke but she did indeed say the 9th was the day she handed Caylee to the babysitter.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

[shannon718]

Call me biased but I think Cindy loves the media attention.:rolleyes:

agreed. I felt that from day one.

[Amster]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17110771/detail.html

Ortiz not the father according to Family Attorney.

How pathetic that this family has been dragged into this. All because that mutt, Casey, won't say who the father is. (apologies to all other mutts)

:furious:

[Whiner]

Casey doesn't strike me as someone who would go out of her way for a shovel to do some gardening.

[kidz110]

While your Grand daughter is missing whould you be riding around in a chauferred towncar...ughhhhhhhhh:shocked2::puke::puke::puke:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7146584&version=1&locale=EN-US
What show do you think this is for? Geraldo? Today Show? Regis? We're going to see another interview. :eek:

[shannon718]

Actually, Casey specifically told the investigators 6-9 in the police report.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf


Who can keep it straight anymore?

It's like Alice In Wonderland.

[txelaine1]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17107547/detail.html

Controversy Over Gas Cans, Brother May Skip Jail Visit


Caylee's grandmother spent quite a bit of time criticizing sheriff's investigators Wednesday morning while also advancing the theory someone kidnapped Caylee.

When investigators took gas cans from Caylee Anthony's grandparent's home, Cindy Anthony said it was not because Caylee's mom Casey took them or because they were in the trunk of Casey's car.

"Previously, she had used the gas cans. There's other people's fingerprints on there besides us and that's what they're looking at," Cindy said Wednesday morning.

Caylee's grandmother then took aim at investigators search for the 2-year-old, saying they are talking out of two sides of their mouth when they say they are looking for Caylee while trying to build a case against Casey.

"They haven't proven anything that Caylee's been in the back of the trunk and, until they do and they bring me proof, Caylee is alive," she said.

Cindy then floated the theory of kidnappers taking Caylee, but wouldn't say whether the FBI was investigating it as a kidnapping. She did say, no matter what, she wants justice served.

"If that pints the finger to my daughter and they have concrete proof and not circumstantial evidence, I'll be the first one to say she needs to be where she's at," Cindy said.

_________________

The sheriff's office also said that an emailed extortion letter the Anthony's received came from Thailand and was not considered a viable threat.

__________________

Meanwhile, Saturday, August 9 is Caylee's 3rd birthday. Cindy said her family will have a private get-together, but that a birthday party will take place when "Caylee comes home."

______________________

Casey's brother Lee Anthony is scheduled to visit her Thursday, but there is a chance he may not show up. Cindy Anthony told Eyewitness News that Lee may follow in her footsteps and skip the jail visit because of all of the media attention. She said they have a lot they want to say to Casey, but they know their conversations could be made public.

"We all can figure out that Lee's one kind of one of those detectives on his own. We talked about that. It's very hard for us not to play that role. So we just figure we better be careful about what we're doing," Cindy said.

Cindy said she's now asking any private questions through Casey's attorney. She said they'll decide Wednesday night if Lee will visit Casey on Thursday.

[gigi2009]

One reason that GA most likely made a police report was for insurance purposes. In order to be reimbursed for any repairs, the insurance company requires a report to be filed. We (and also our next door neighbors) have had vandalism damage to our outside landscaping lighting on several occasions. The sheriffs officers filled out the forms, said the "pink one" is for your insurance, and said that unless someone gets video of the vandals which includes their cars, tags and enough lighting to clearly identify the people while they are smashing the lights, there is no way to ever prosecute anyone even if they admit to someone they did it and brag about it. So, I did not report back to the sheriffs office, even though someone later did tell us who had done it, they had already said there was no point in doing so!


In Florida, our homeowner's insurance is so high it's crazy and that's if you can even GET insurance. Plus with a deductible, it's totally unreasonable to report it to the insurance. No way-not for 50 bucks worth of gas. Trust me on this.

[liltigress]

Going back to the shovel thoughts. Isn't it fitting that Casey would borrow the neighbor's shovel to dig then realize how consuming that would be so she used the shovel to break the hasp on the shed to get into it for something better? Again, that attempt failing?

[Patty G]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17110771/detail.html

Ortiz not the father according to Family Attorney.

It sad that the Ortiz family had to get an Attorney based on Casey saying Caylee's father died in an accident and the uncovering of Jesus' name online etc.

How devastating again for the Ortiz family, "if" Caylee belongs to Jesus and Caylee comes up deceased. Another grieving process begins again for the Ortiz family (well the Anthony family too).

We have to wait and see how this turns out. If this too turns out to be one of Casey's lies ... OMG!!!!! :furious:

[DianeB]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17110771/detail.html

Ortiz not the father according to Family Attorney.

It was only a matter of time...
"Miss Anthony never told the family Jesus was the father or that he might be the father. In fact, the family has never met her and does not know her," attorney Bryan Crews said. "If the child is indeed their grandchild and alive, that is all they have left of their son, Jesus Ortiz. They would like to get to know the child if she is indeed still alive."

Despite the best efforts of the Anthony family to sweep aside speculation about Caylee's father, it's not going away.

[kathyn2]

Regarding the trash can incident: If GP went to the trunk to remove this item even tho Casey was protesting, where was the garbage? How come he didn't see or smell this garbage and if he did, why didn't he remove it to the family garbage instead of leaving it in the trunk? The Anthony's are trying to say the garbage sat in there for 19 days or something. Well now apparently there was no garbage in there on the 24th.

This Gonzales thing and the new date of the guest card....Can't the investigators check the handwriting to see if it belongs to Casey to put that to rest? Now things are starting to sound fishy. Did Casey try to build herself an alibi with that name or is there really someone with that name that was hanging around there at the time? Can't the police run the signature thru some computer system to see if it matches any driver's licenses or something???

[Mendara]

I am assuming here, but if Casey buried the body in the backyard found out her parents were pouring cement, panicked and moved the body. Did she accidently leave her purse in the car or was it planted? Too bad the neighbors cannot remember the exact date they saw Casey backing up to the garage and borrowing thier shovel. Could this be the date the shed was broken into and the gas cans taken? I wonder if there was anything on the nozzle of that gas can or if they can test the remains in the cans to see if it matched any gas in the tank? Or did Casey use that gasoline for some other sinister methods of destroying the body?

I think she would have welcomed the cement.

[shannon718]

We all can figure out that Lee's one kind of one of those detectives on his own. We talked about that. It's very hard for us not to play that role. So we just figure we better be careful about what we're doing," Cindy said.

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND INTERFERING WITH AN INVESTIGATION.

[Patty G]

What show do you think this is for? Geraldo? Today Show? Regis? We're going to see another interview. :eek:

Well we know its not for the ride to visit Casey. You would think they would just go and do a plain ordinary visit with their daughter and just talk in general. Like I know this is hard for you dear, we love you blah, blah.

[maya.morgen]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17107547/detail.html



When investigators took gas cans from Caylee Anthony's grandparent's home, Cindy Anthony said it was not because Caylee's mom Casey took them or because they were in the trunk of Casey's car.

"Previously, she had used the gas cans. There's other people's fingerprints on there besides us and that's what they're looking at," Cindy said Wednesday morning.



My blood pressure is rising....What's with all the spin GM?

[gigi2009]

It was only a matter of time...


Despite the best efforts of the Anthony family to sweep aside speculation about Caylee's father, it's not going away.

And on GRETA last night, the Anthony's themselves said that they knew who bio dad was, they had an agreement with him about Caylee because he moved on, got married and had a family. SO which is it Cindy--who do we believe YOUR lawyer or YOU?:waitasec:

[JBean]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17107547/detail.html



"If that pints the finger to my daughter and they have concrete proof and not circumstantial evidence, I'll be the first one to say she needs to be where she's at," Cindy said.

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This is a very important statement by Cindy,imo. The difficulty is that most murder cases have circumstantial evidence that should be considered concrete.

[shannon718]

Maybe Casey got pregnant by a married man?

Jesus not the father

The father "died"

Not on the birth certificate

Agreed to not be a part of the baby's life

Lee: "We will never reveal who the father is"

Cindy: "He started his own family.

[blondietx]

I think she would have welcomed the cement.

I thought the same thing at first. Unless she thought it could be discovered while preparing the area for the cement. I know when we got our flagstone patio, they dug up our existing patio and some of our landscaped yard - to make it all level. Not that Casey would know this but maybe she got paranoid?

[gigi2009]

Going back to the shovel thoughts. Isn't it fitting that Casey would borrow the neighbor's shovel to dig then realize how consuming that would be so she used the shovel to break the hasp on the shed to get into it for something better? Again, that attempt failing?

It's been said that Casey had the shovel for an hour. I forget who said it but is that true?

[Mendara]

And on GRETA last night, the Anthony's themselves said that they knew who bio dad was, they had an agreement with him about Caylee because he moved on, got married and had a family. SO which is it Cindy--who do we believe YOUR lawyer or YOU?:waitasec:

There is no known father - these are several lies their daughter told them about the father. Ibet Casey doesn't know the father, maybe a one night thing. IMO

[liltigress]

It's been said that Casey had the shovel for an hour. I forget who said it but is that true?

Yes, that is what the neighbor has reported.

[Mendara]

I thought the same thing at first. Unless she thought it could be discovered while preparing the area for the cement. I know when we got our flagstone patio, they dug up our existing patio and some of our landscaped yard - to make it all level. Not that Casey would know this but maybe she got paranoid?

Not if she burned the evidence first and then just buried ashes. The ashes would mix with the dirt and unless you were looking for it, you may not notice. IMHO

[gigi2009]

ANd was this the same neighbor who observed her backing her car up to the garage and was this on the same day and time?

[Zuckerschnecke]

[QUOTE=This Gonzales thing and the new date of the guest card....Can't the investigators check the handwriting to see if it belongs to Casey to put that to rest? Now things are starting to sound fishy. Did Casey try to build herself an alibi with that name or is there really someone with that name that was hanging around there at the time? Can't the police run the signature thru some computer system to see if it matches any driver's licenses or something???[/QUOTE]

This is what I think - that she was spinning this persona beforehand, whether to cover some other crime she may have been involved in or simply the disappearance of her daughter.

And I believe the Bella Vida tattoo has something to do with the biological father and maybe his nationality and something they may have shared together. With Caylee gone, this tattoo is something that Casey can always have to keep the connection with the biological father.

[Amster]

I think she would have welcomed the cement.

Except, there wasn't any cement. They put down pavers. According to them.....which is probably a lie....so, maybe there is cement!!

[Patty G]

In my personal opinion, I think every male that ever had a "thing" with Casey should go and get a paternity test so this all could be put to rest.

I have a son and if I knew he was one of the many, I would make sure he went for a paternity test.

[gigi2009]

Not if she burned the evidence first and then just buried ashes. The ashes would mix with the dirt and unless you were looking for it, you may not notice. IMHO


It is impossible to burn the body to ashes yourself.

[blondietx]

Not if she burned the evidence first and then just buried ashes. The ashes would mix with the dirt and unless you were looking for it, you may not notice. IMHO

Well, I don't think there were ashes. From what I've heard that smell and the smoke would have most certainly been noticed by someone, probably many someones. JMO

[FLbeachdawg]

This is a very important statement by Cindy,imo. The difficulty is that most murder cases have circumstantial evidence that should be considered concrete.

which interview did you see that on? I just watched this one....

http://www.wftv.com/video/17109301/index.html

[liltigress]

Not if she burned the evidence first and then just buried ashes. The ashes would mix with the dirt and unless you were looking for it, you may not notice. IMHO

Burning a body isn't as easy as just pouring gas on it. It would take extreme heat to turn bones into ash. I really don't believe she did this. Casey could have burned her clothes, maybe trying to get rid of blood stained evidence? Something to that effect?

[shannon718]

It is impossible to burn the body to ashes yourself.

No gigi...not hot enough and they say that the smell would be so intense it would be detected for a mile.

[TraceyLeigh]

IIRC, didn't Lee say at one time that Casey had never even informed the father (assuming she knew who it was, which at this point, who the hell knows?) that she was pregnant? And then Cindy says Casey and the father had this agreement? Which is it?!

[liltigress]

ANd was this the same neighbor who observed her backing her car up to the garage and was this on the same day and time?

Yeppers... IIRC it sure is.

[Spyglass]

Two points.

1. Regarding purse left in car. I haven't seen anything that states her credit cards, ID, etc, were in that purse. The only article mentioned IIRC is the paper with the girlfriend's phone number (thus allowing GM to call the friend and make physical contact with Casey). My thought is that the purse (with no actual ID, valuables) was left to add additional lure to a potential car thief.

2. Blink34 asked about any past references to Casey pushing her car when it was "dumped."

My recollection is that Tony stated when he picked her up that she said she had pushed it into the space. He asked whether he needed to take her for gas/repair and she stated that her Dad was picking the car.

[Blink34]

Bottom line: last alleged sighting of Caylee = June 15th (by Cindy); June 16th (by George); June 16th (by Casey).

All of the spin and obfuscation does not change the fact that it was three members of this family who were the last known people to have seen that child, and no one is vouching that she was alive after Monday June 16th.

Independent verification in the form of the Father's Day video puts the last known 'proof of life' date at June 15th.



"In this family, if the lips are moving? Lying!"
Kimberly Guilfoyle, Fox News

Weew; thank god for wiki:

Obfuscation is the concealment of meaning in communication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication), making it confusing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusing) and harder to interpret (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpret).

That is correct, but again I say, GP sees gasguzzler on 6/24 and does not ask where the H*ll is my grandaughter and not tell GMA?

[Mendara]

It is impossible to burn the body to ashes yourself.

hmm I said evidence, but why would it be impossible to burn a body yourself? Do you mean teeth and bone fragments would be visible? Those can be easily removed though.

[sweetmop]

Does anyone remember something about the car being backed into the driveway and it was unusual. I think a neighbor mentioned this. When was this? Or am I losing my mind over this?

I am so rooting for Caylee to be alive and well but everytime I hear there's a press conference I feel sick to my stomach.

IIRC, the neighbor said that the same day Casey asked to borrow the shovel, she had also backed her car into the Anthony garage.:mad: Grrr.

[Chesapeake]

I hope the Anthonys find the courage to eventually do the right thing by telling all they know about Caylee's disappearance like Mark Hacking's family and the Unabomber's brother did. There is no peace in living a lie. It's past time for this nightmare to be over.

[MagnoliaMom]

Sorry if this has been posted. New info that the guest card filled out by Zenaida Gonzales was done in June, not April. From Orlando Channel 6:

Baby Sitter Remains Mystery


Deputies are still trying to figure out exactly when Caylee vanished and are not ruling out that her mother, Casey, may have posed as the mystery baby sitter no one can find.

Casey Anthony maintains the last time she saw her daughter was the day she dropped her off with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez at the Sawgrass Apartments in Orlando.

According to the original arrest report from July 15, someone by the name of Zenaida Gonzalez looked at an apartment on April 17, 2008.

Local 6 has confirmed with apartment managers that the incident didn't happen in April but on June 17.

The date is important because Caylee was last seen two days before on June 15, Local 6's Lauren Rowe said.

Sawgrass managers said on June 17, someone came to inquire about an apartment.

Investigators said the person filled-out a guest card using the name Zenaida Gonzalez and the person who wrote it had sloppy handwriting.

Someone misread the date when filing out an original arrest record, Local 6 reported.

Sources told Local 6 that when apartment managers tried to follow up with the woman after June 25, the phone number she gave was no longer valid.

And the apartment where Anthony said she left Caylee had been vacant for about six months, Local 6 has learned.

Investigators said they located a woman named Zenaida Gonzales but she said she'd never heard of Caylee or Casey.

This just throws a whole new monkey wrench into things :waitasec:. Can anyone verify this or provide me with a link where this was reported?

They could do a handwriting analysis right?

Casey's pictures have been all over the news. Wouldn't the sawgrass apt employee have quickly been able to say "hey that's the one that filled out the card"?

[Blink34]

Going back to the shovel thoughts. Isn't it fitting that Casey would borrow the neighbor's shovel to dig then realize how consuming that would be so she used the shovel to break the hasp on the shed to get into it for something better? Again, that attempt failing?

I agree that would make sense if i thought she was able to break open the shed with a shovel, but I don't. I think the Dad admitting to removing the gas cans himself blows that story up, imo..

[shannon718]

Weew; thank god for wiki:

Obfuscation is the concealment of meaning in communication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication), making it confusing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusing) and harder to interpret (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpret).

That is correct, but again I say, GP sees gasguzzler on 6/24 and does not ask where the H*ll is my grandaughter and not tell GMA?

The 24th was also Jesses claim of "caylee get off the table" which he later retracted as to hearing Caylee's voice. On the 24th Casey told George Caylee was with Zanny....hmmmm

[jbennett]

In Florida, our homeowner's insurance is so high it's crazy and that's if you can even GET insurance. Plus with a deductible, it's totally unreasonable to report it to the insurance. No way-not for 50 bucks worth of gas. Trust me on this.

Agree. I used to work for an insurance company and we would advise people not to claim things on their insurance if it was less than their deductible amount b/c your insurance would go up from the claim and its just not worth it. Easier to pay out of your pocket.

[Mendara]

Burning a body isn't as easy as just pouring gas on it. It would take extreme heat to turn bones into ash. I really don't believe she did this. Casey could have burned her clothes, maybe trying to get rid of blood stained evidence? Something to that effect?

That is why I wrote EVIDENCE and not BODY.

[Zuckerschnecke]

I thought the same thing at first. Unless she thought it could be discovered while preparing the area for the cement. I know when we got our flagstone patio, they dug up our existing patio and some of our landscaped yard - to make it all level. Not that Casey would know this but maybe she got paranoid?

Casey probably thought using the backyard for burial was safe and because she wasn't hanging out at her parents, she didn't know there was a patio going in - THEN decided to move the body because it was too close to comfort and could have been discovered.

Just talking about this in terms of this little girl makes me sick. Like we're talking about a pet fish or something. Sick.

[shannon718]

That is why I wrote EVIDENCE and not BODY.

Burning evidence makes a lot of sense. It rings true with the timeline.

[Cakegirl]

Who would send a limo? A high powered attorney. I smell a lawsuit coming against media or LE by Cindy and George.
IMO

Or would it be the media trying to court Cindy??... uggh, I surely hope not! :mad:

[Amster]

If Cindy knows who the father is, then the pathetic loser liar should make it clear it's not Jesus or Jesse or any other rumored male. And, Lee, being a pretend detective, should also make it clear who the father ISN'T!

These people are cruel....

[Truthful Lies]

In Florida, our homeowner's insurance is so high it's crazy and that's if you can even GET insurance. Plus with a deductible, it's totally unreasonable to report it to the insurance. No way-not for 50 bucks worth of gas. Trust me on this.

Agreed 100%. No WAY they would claim that here!

[miss lisa]

IIRC, didn't Lee say at one time that Casey had never even informed the father (assuming she knew who it was, which at this point, who the hell knows?) that she was pregnant? And then Cindy says Casey and the father had this agreement? Which is it?!

I think that they had told so many different stories concerning paternity over the course of Caylee's life they don't even know what they've told anymore.

[raeann]

The police have said REPEATEDLY that there was NO CEMENT POURED! In the extensive video coverage of the backyard by Greta last night, there was NO CEMENT shown. Greta would have been very negligent in her story if there was cement anywhere and she did not point it out, and that would be uncharacteristic of her style. This is just one example of how one media source states something that is unsubstantiated and everyone else copies their statements and perpetuates incorrect information.

[whiteangora]

Two points.

1. Regarding purse left in car. I haven't seen anything that states her credit cards, ID, etc, were in that purse. The only article mentioned IIRC is the paper with the girlfriend's phone number (thus allowing GM to call the friend and make physical contact with Casey). My thought is that the purse (with no actual ID, valuables) was left to add additional lure to a potential car thief.

2. Blink34 asked about any past references to Casey pushing her car when it was "dumped."

My recollection is that Tony stated when he picked her up that she said she had pushed it into the space. He asked whether he needed to take her for gas/repair and she stated that her Dad was picking the car.

About the purse. I have asked this question so many times I can't count.
But, has it ever been substantiated by anyone other than Cindy that Casey actually did leave her purse in the car?

[Nedthan Johns]

Two points.

1. Regarding purse left in car. I haven't seen anything that states her credit cards, ID, etc, were in that purse. The only article mentioned IIRC is the paper with the girlfriend's phone number (thus allowing GM to call the friend and make physical contact with Casey). My thought is that the purse (with no actual ID, valuables) was left to add additional lure to a potential car thief.

2. Blink34 asked about any past references to Casey pushing her car when it was "dumped."

My recollection is that Tony stated when he picked her up that she said she had pushed it into the space. He asked whether he needed to take her for gas/repair and she stated that her Dad was picking the car.

Hmmm... so she lied to Tony and said call was broken down and stated she called daddy, all lies.

[fred67]

hmm I said evidence, but why would it be impossible to burn a body yourself? Do you mean teeth and bone fragments would be visible? Those can be easily removed though.
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crematories burn at, i think, 3200 deg.you can't get a personal fire to burn that hot..remember that guy in north carolina that tried to burn the marine? he had a bonfire in his back yard and a bbq and couldn't get it to burn

[Nedthan Johns]

Raeann: Thank you for clarifying. So we are back to, if we are to assume that Caylee was at one time buried in the back yard, why was she moved?

[SuziQ]

hmm I said evidence, but why would it be impossible to burn a body yourself? Do you mean teeth and bone fragments would be visible? Those can be easily removed though.

It is really difficult to cremate a body. Alot of murderers light the body and walk away. Or try and try, but it keeps going out and takes days to accomplish. That's why there are alot of partially burnt remains discovered.

[RR0004]

This just throws a whole new monkey wrench into things :waitasec:. Can anyone verify this or provide me with a link where this was reported?

They could do a handwriting analysis right?

Casey's pictures have been all over the news. Wouldn't the sawgrass apt employee have quickly been able to say "hey that's the one that filled out the card"?
That supports what I thought about the possibility of "stolen Identity"...very interesting.

[Mendara]

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crematories burn at, i think, 3200 deg.you can't get a personal fire to burn that hot..remember that guy in north carolina that tried to burn the marine? he had a bonfire in his back yard and a bbq and couldn't get it to burn


Wow. That is insane.

[Blink34]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17110771/detail.html

Ortiz not the father according to Family Attorney.

Good link Gigi, but here's a snip from it, it does not say he is NOT the father:
snip
Miss Anthony never told the family Jesus was the father or that he might be the father. In fact, the family has never met her and does not know her," attorney Bryan Crews said. "If the child is indeed their grandchild and alive, that is all they have left of their son, Jesus Ortiz. They would like to get to know the child if she is indeed still alive."
snip

Why does one need a family attorney if they dont at least suspect the possibility. Expect this attorney to file for a motion to establish paternity or disclude it, and/or other family filings I wont go into here but on daddy thread..

[kathyn2]

I sure wish I was the one that had given this Zanaida/Casey the guest card to fill out. I would have recognized them or been able to give a description. Many years ago I worked for a bank opening new accts. I quit the job and moved on and some FBI agents showed up at my new job almost 2 years later with a big book of pictures and a copy of 2 checks the person opened the acct for. They asked me if I could pick out the picture of the person that opened the acct with those checks. I was able to pick her out. They had told me it was possible I would have to testify at a court hearing but since I was able to pick her out of a huge book of pictues the case never went to trial. The woman pled guilty and it was taken care of without a trial. I wonder if the cops asked the manage of the apts if he can remember that person? It wasn't that long ago for pete's sake. If I can remember a name from 2 years ago they could certainly remember from a month ago.


This just throws a whole new monkey wrench into things :waitasec:. Can anyone verify this or provide me with a link where this was reported?

They could do a handwriting analysis right?

Casey's pictures have been all over the news. Wouldn't the sawgrass apt employee have quickly been able to say "hey that's the one that filled out the card"?

[fred67]

I hope the Anthonys find the courage to eventually do the right thing by telling all they know about Caylee's disappearance like Mark Hacking's family and the Unabomber's brother did. There is no peace in living a lie. It's past time for this nightmare to be over.

mark hacking's family didn't go along with his ruse..they confronted him. this family has no intention of doing such a thing. at this point, i think they believe their own crap and hers

[Zuckerschnecke]

LE must be tracing phone numbers to get records of who had the 'disconnected number' and if it could be traced back to Casey. If it WAS Casey at the apt. complex looking at the apartment under the ZG name, (which is what I believe) that number being disconnected is too coincidental - it must have been someone's number with significance or was an older number used by Casey. She would knowingly give a number that no one could be reached at. And any cell phone numbers that were really Casey's could be traced by payment means, no? It's not like she'd pay cash for her cell phone bill. Then again, maybe she just didn't pay her bill and it was eventually shut off.

[DianeB]

About the purse. I have asked this question so many times I can't count.
But, has it ever been substantiated by anyone other than Cindy that Casey actually did leave her purse in the car?Not that I'm aware of - I think this is a Cindyism, although didn't Casey at one point say on the phone to Lee that she had left purses at Tony's house "in a centralized area", when he was quizzing her about the phone?

[maya.morgen]

Raeann: Thank you for clarifying. So we are back to, if we are to assume that Caylee was at one time buried in the back yard, why was she moved?

Her daddy advised her to?God,I don't know what to think anymore.I can't get past the fact that there is an ex cop in the family.Maybe he helped her cover it all up.Maybe GM didn't know back then.GP was one of the last persons to see Caylee.(Sorry for speculating now)

[RR0004]

I agree that would make sense if i thought she was able to break open the shed with a shovel, but I don't. I think the Dad admitting to removing the gas cans himself blows that story up, imo..
I'm confused...when did he say that? I heard the lock was "busted". Sorry for jumping in. My ears perked up.

[Nedthan Johns]

It's been said that Casey had the shovel for an hour. I forget who said it but is that true?

That means that Caylee may have been disposed of differently after she was dug up by Casey. An hour time line isn't long enough for her to leave with the shovel.

[housemouse]

Maybe there should be a "sticky" for everyone to read... or two stickies.

One would be for proven facts. What has been reported by LE, and tied down as reliable.

The other would be for false or conjectured info. This one would include all the misinfo, lies, speculations, etc.

Then, people could read these, and not keep repeating the misinfo as factual?

[Blink34]

I'm confused...when did he say that? I heard the lock was "busted". Sorry for jumping in. My ears perked up.

sorry RR- last night on Greta, removed them from Casey's car 6/24 and put them back..

[SuziQ]

Raeann: Thank you for clarifying. So we are back to, if we are to assume that Caylee was at one time buried in the back yard, why was she moved?

This happens more often then we would like to think. Right after a murder there is usually not a well thought out rush to get rid of a body. Rethinking the burial site and fear of the body being found prompts many to move them.

[TraceyLeigh]

mark hacking's family didn't go along with his ruse..they confronted him. this family has no intention of doing such a thing. at this point, i think they believe their own crap and hers

Delusional, I tell ya... insane even.

[Cakegirl]

It is impossible to burn the body to ashes yourself.

Crazy question -- what if you put a body in a dumpster along with other trash and threw in some gas. Would this be enough to burn a body?

But then there would be a record of the firemen coming to put out a dumpster fire... guess that couldn't happen. Are dumpster fires even common in Orlando?

I don't think this happened... but just thinking of the gas angle in my mind. :waitasec:

[liltigress]

I'm beginning to believe that George did not see Casey on the 24th. He's already wishy-washy as to the TV program he was watching (News/Favorite Cooking Program). He is putting way too much stress on the exact-to-the-minute time it was when she was there and it was supposedly just before he went to work. I didn't think he had a job at that point.

I'm also seeing how he has expanded too much on the wedge in Casey's car. He has adopted Cindy's protective mode here.

IMO, he is doing 2 things with these statements:

A) Giving a new time line to throw LE off.
B) Trying to remove suspicions of him removing the gas cans from the trunk of the car prior to Caylee being reported missing. This little bit would be considered obstruction or tampering. I totally believe he got those cans back when he picked up the car from the tow yard.

[Mendara]

mark hacking's family didn't go along with his ruse..they confronted him. this family has no intention of doing such a thing. at this point, i think they believe their own crap and hers

I can't help but think if Cindy, Lee and George walked in that jail demanding she tell the truth and confronting her about her ridiculous lies and urging her to do the right thing - if Casey would have spoken and Caylee would have been found by now.

Sometimes I think this family IS their own worse enemy. If Casey new her family didn't believe her, would she then have a reason to continue her lies?

If there are no fish biting the bait, does the fisherman eventually leave or change his bait?

I say the fish keep biting Casey's bait and so she will continue with this charade until they don't, if no one is on her side maybe she would give up.

[shannon718]

Her daddy advised her to?God,I don't know what to think anymore.I can't get past the fact that there is an ex cop in the family.Maybe he helped her cover it all up.Maybe GM didn't know back then.GP was one of the last persons to see Caylee.(Sorry for speculating now)

Why did she move her?

Guilt.

[fred67]

Crazy question -- what if you put a body in a dumpster along with other trash and threw in some gas. Would this be enough to burn a body?

But then there would be a record of the firemen coming to put out a dumpster fire... guess that couldn't happen. Are dumpster fires even common in Orlando?

I don't think this happened... but just thinking of the gas angle in my mind. :waitasec:


i just checked.it would have to burn over 3000 deg
a dumpster fire isn't going to go over 1000/ and crematories are ovens..it has to be closed to contain the heat and let it build up.

[Elley Mae]

I'm beginning to believe that George did not see Casey on the 24th. He's already wishy-washy as to the TV program he was watching (News/Favorite TV Program). He is putting way too much stress on the exact-to-the-minute time it was when she was there and it was supposedly just before he went to work. I didn't think he had a job at that point.

I'm also seeing how he has expanded too much on the wedge in Casey's car. He has adopted Cindy's protective mode here.

IMO, he is doing 2 things with these statements:

A) Giving a new time line to throw LE off.
B) Trying to remove suspicions of him removing the gas cans from the trunk of the car prior to Caylee being reported missing. This little bit would be considered obstruction or tampering. I totally believe he got those cans back when he picked up the car from the tow yard.

I'm glad you said that I made a comment this morning about George saying he was going to work and no one eslse heard it.

[DianeB]

Crazy question -- what if you put a body in a dumpster along with other trash and threw in some gas. Would this be enough to burn a body? I think lighting it on fire would probably negate the value of disposing of a body in a dumpster. Why draw attention to it?

[zadari]

That means that Caylee may have been disposed of differently after she was dug up by Casey. An hour time line isn't long enough for her to leave with the shovel. ugh i dont want to even think about that poor baby like that .. i hope she is alive :(

[marleysmom]

This is what I think - that she was spinning this persona beforehand, whether to cover some other crime she may have been involved in or simply the disappearance of her daughter.



Just a completely random thought....what if Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez was the name Casey had on a fake ID before she turned 21? She seems the type to have had one, they are easy to obtain, and why not pick a crazy name like that? I know someone who had a fake ID w/ the name Satchmo Sinclair (Satchmo was Louis Armstrong's name, but she was a blond hair/blue eyed girl.)

Down here, at least when I used to live in apts they had to also take a DL while you toured the place. Some made copies, some just took down the #. But at the complexes its usually policy to not only fill out the card, but show ID in case there is some rash of crime afterwards and you were scoping the place out.

[fred67]

my bad.it is 1800 deg..i was looking at something else..and it take 4.5 to 5.5 hrs to burn, but that is an adult

[gigi2009]

Not to mention the smell or a burning body. No way could Casey handle it IMO. House fires that have burned for hours and there are still bones to recover.

[floridamom]

Cindy is now a celebrity. A role she is relishing. I wish the media would totally ignore her, George and Lee.

She must be on her way to another interview. You'd think she'd learn by now to keep her trap shut. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth, she's putting in both feet! And then blaming the media for making her sound the way she does. Doesn't she watch her own interviews?

And I think this has been mentioned but how come she can't get any info from Casey about the whereabouts of Cayley because of some "danger" to Cayley, yet she tells the public to get out there and look for her? If the public is looking isn't that putting Cayley in danger also? WTH? The same with all the interviews, isn't that putting her in danger, IF there was any danger? She does a great job of talking out of both sides of her mouth.

[french75]

LE must be tracing phone numbers to get records of who had the 'disconnected number' and if it could be traced back to Casey. If it WAS Casey at the apt. complex looking at the apartment under the ZG name, (which is what I believe) that number being disconnected is too coincidental - it must have been someone's number with significance or was an older number used by Casey. She would knowingly give a number that no one could be reached at. And any cell phone numbers that were really Casey's could be traced by payment means, no? It's not like she'd pay cash for her cell phone bill. Then again, maybe she just didn't pay her bill and it was eventually shut off.

If you read the affidavit, it clearly states that LE got in contact with the ZG identified from Sawgrass. The number wasn't disconnected when the policed used it. For all we know, it has not been disconnected at this point. However, Casey has said that ZG/Caylee called her from a number that is now disconnected/private (depending on which version you believe).

[SuziQ]

I'm beginning to believe that George did not see Casey on the 24th. He's already wishy-washy as to the TV program he was watching (News/Favorite TV Program). He is putting way too much stress on the exact-to-the-minute time it was when she was there and it was supposedly just before he went to work. I didn't think he had a job at that point.

I'm also seeing how he has expanded too much on the wedge in Casey's car. He has adopted Cindy's protective mode here.

IMO, he is doing 2 things with these statements:

A) Giving a new time line to throw LE off.
B) Trying to remove suspicions of him removing the gas cans from the trunk of the car prior to Caylee being reported missing. This little bit would be considered obstruction or tampering. I totally believe he got those cans back when he picked up the car from the tow yard.

This is exactly where I'm coming from. Then add the curious mention of the detergent, which I think he's using to explain when tests come back from the stain showing detergent present because he tried to clean it. And the pizza explanation because he planted the pizza garbage there to excuse the smell.

[Mendara]

my bad.it is 1800 deg..i was looking at something else..and it take 4.5 to 5.5 hrs to burn, but that is an adult

Fred you better stop looking that up before FBI knocks on your door - haha.

[french75]

Maybe there should be a "sticky" for everyone to read... or two stickies.

One would be for proven facts. What has been reported by LE, and tied down as reliable.

The other would be for false or conjectured info. This one would include all the misinfo, lies, speculations, etc.

Then, people could read these, and not keep repeating the misinfo as factual?

I agree with this!!

[Cakegirl]

my bad.it is 1800 deg..i was looking at something else..and it take 4.5 to 5.5 hrs to burn, but that is an adult

wow! :eek:

[Elley Mae]

So when George testified at the bond hearing about wrok he said he had a job in Ohio 79-89 and he just started a job end of July,he forgot he had a job on June 24th?

[tnajk]

Does anyone know why they have suddenly not been releasing phone calls or visits from the jail as public record?? It seems we've not had one released since that phone call with Lee when he asked about the letter. We haven't had a visit video since.... gosh since the "friend" visisted her right?

[SuziQ]

Why did she move her?

Guilt.

And or rethinking the first burial spot.

[liltigress]

I'm glad you said that I made a comment this morning about George saying he was going to work and no one eslse heard it.

LOL Sometimes ya gotta shout! It's loud in here today.. :woohoo:

[DianeB]

I'm beginning to believe that George did not see Casey on the 24th. He's already wishy-washy as to the TV program he was watching (News/Favorite TV Program). He is putting way too much stress on the exact-to-the-minute time it was when she was there and it was supposedly just before he went to work. I didn't think he had a job at that point.
I don't think he saw her on the 24th, either. I think they may have talked to her on the phone on that day, but I'm just not believing there was actual face time. LE will know whether that story is true by tracking the IP address from which Casey posted at the same time she was allegedly at home trying to discourage her father from looking in the trunk.

I wonder if the Anthonys have any stay-at-home neighbors. I'm not seeing anyone who lives nearby backing up any of these Fractured Fables, although I have seen reports of them *****ing about the constant news media presence.

[ketel0ne]

So when George testified at the bond hearing about wrok he said he had a job in Ohio 79-89 and he just started a job end of July,he forgot he had a job on June 24th?

Maybe he was just being vague ;)

[kimmy_q_sky]

First, I don't believe that the gm had anything to do with Caylee's initial disappearance.

So why did Casey and Cindy both say that she went missing on the 9th? Did Casey get that date in her head from Cindy or did Cindy get that date in her head from Casey??

[MBS]

That means that Caylee may have been disposed of differently after she was dug up by Casey. An hour time line isn't long enough for her to leave with the shovel.

I'm thinking dumpster or body of water.

[kidz110]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gigi2009 View Post
It's been said that Casey had the shovel for an hour. I forget who said it but is that true?
That means that Caylee may have been disposed of differently after she was dug up by Casey. An hour time line isn't long enough for her to leave with the shovel.
I thought Greta asked Cindy that question last night and Cindy said Casey only had the shovel for a few minutes.

[ketel0ne]

Does anyone know why they have suddenly not been releasing phone calls or visits from the jail as public record?? It seems we've not had one released since that phone call with Lee when he asked about the letter. We haven't had a visit video since.... gosh since the "friend" visisted her right?

Evidence?

[DianeB]

Just a completely random thought....what if Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez was the name Casey had on a fake ID before she turned 21? She seems the type to have had one, they are easy to obtain, and why not pick a crazy name like that? I know someone who had a fake ID w/ the name Satchmo Sinclair (Satchmo was Louis Armstrong's name, but she was a blond hair/blue eyed girl.)There's a myspace post from Casey to Lee shortly before one of Caylee's birthday parties in which she's asking him for the HUGE FAVOR of buying beer for the celebration. I don't know if that would have been because she was underage and didn't have a fake ID, or if she didn't have any money to buy it herself.

[Blink34]

This is exactly where I'm coming from. Then add the curious mention of the detergent, which I think he's using to explain when tests come back from the stain showing detergent present because he tried to clean it. And the pizza explanation because he planted the pizza garbage there to excuse the smell.

Agreed to all, but would add establishing an alibis for Casey on 6/24 as well.. Id that trunk was cleaned, he is toast.. I actually thought as a det he would be smart enough to know that laundry det w/bluing action reacts to black light, in some sort of attempt to throw out that evidence potentially.

[Mendara]

I thought Greta asked Cindy that question last night and Cindy said Casey only had the shovel for a few minutes.

How would Cindy know that? Was she there? Why would she believe Casey, she is a liar.

[ketel0ne]

I agree with this!!

Which version of the truth goes on the fact thread?

[maya.morgen]

This is exactly where I'm coming from. Then add the curious mention of the detergent, which I think he's using to explain when tests come back from the stain showing detergent present because he tried to clean it. And the pizza explanation because he planted the pizza garbage there to excuse the smell.

Yeah well you can't fool cadaver dogs with pizza.Doesn't he know that?He's an ex cop.

[FLbeachdawg]

Just a completely random thought....what if Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez was the name Casey had on a fake ID before she turned 21? She seems the type to have had one, they are easy to obtain, and why not pick a crazy name like that? I know someone who had a fake ID w/ the name Satchmo Sinclair (Satchmo was Louis Armstrong's name, but she was a blond hair/blue eyed girl.)

Down here, at least when I used to live in apts they had to also take a DL while you toured the place. Some made copies, some just took down the #. But at the complexes its usually policy to not only fill out the card, but show ID in case there is some rash of crime afterwards and you were scoping the place out.

yeah, but one of her friends would have known that. I know when my friends were under 21 I saw most of them and would scrutinize weather or not they looked real or not. So, someone would recognize that I think...

[liltigress]

This is exactly where I'm coming from. Then add the curious mention of the detergent, which I think he's using to explain when tests come back from the stain showing detergent present because he tried to clean it. And the pizza explanation because he planted the pizza garbage there to excuse the smell.

Yeah, I still can't see that George or Cindy had a hand in harming Caylee at all, but they are busier than a 3 legged cat in a sand box, covering up chit.

[gigi2009]

Good link Gigi, but here's a snip from it, it does not say he is NOT the father:
snip
Miss Anthony never told the family Jesus was the father or that he might be the father. In fact, the family has never met her and does not know her," attorney Bryan Crews said. "If the child is indeed their grandchild and alive, that is all they have left of their son, Jesus Ortiz. They would like to get to know the child if she is indeed still alive."
snip

Why does one need a family attorney if they dont at least suspect the possibility. Expect this attorney to file for a motion to establish paternity or disclude it, and/or other family filings I wont go into here but on daddy thread..

I just meant to quote the headline of the article not that it was an actual quote by the attorney--oops!

[Amster]

George didn't say anything about himself going to work on the 16th did he? He said he saw Casey, with Caylee in tow, leaving for work at 12:50 pm. He was watching his favorite cooking show.....

[fred67]

Fred you better stop looking that up before FBI knocks on your door - haha.

i thought that too..something happens and they come take my laptop..i'm doomed.

[Zuckerschnecke]

Snipped....Just a completely random thought....what if Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez was the name Casey had on a fake ID before she turned 21? She seems the type to have had one, they are easy to obtain, and why not pick a crazy name like that?

This is exactly what I'm thinking. Not only to use for drinking but for other things as well. Obtaining phones for example.

There is some Italian or Spanish connection with the biological father IMO. The tattoo, Caylee's looks, the ZG name. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but the ZG means something, just not sure what yet. LE I'm sure has much more of the puzzle together.

[raeann]

housemouse....great idea! It would be much easier for those of us with limited reading time to keep up with information if it were on a thread without the volumes of posts regarding, theories, bashing, repeating misinformation, and rehashing lies told. While many posters enjoy reading and posting regarding pure speculation, others want to just quickly read the facts and move on to other things.

[DianeB]

I'm glad you said that I made a comment this morning about George saying he was going to work and no one eslse heard it.Check the threads from last night - we were speculating about George's employment status on the 24th.

[SuziQ]

Agreed to all, but would add establishing an alibis for Casey on 6/24 as well.. Id that trunk was cleaned, he is toast.. I actually thought as a det he would be smart enough to know that laundry det w/bluing action reacts to black light, in some sort of attempt to throw out that evidence potentially.

I have thought about that too. I think it's a good possibility.

[kidz110]

She must be on her way to another interview. You'd think she'd learn by now to keep her trap shut. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth, she's putting in both feet! And then blaming the media for making her sound the way she does. Doesn't she watch her own interviews?

And I think this has been mentioned but how come she can't get any info from Casey about the whereabouts of Cayley because of some "danger" to Cayley, yet she tells the public to get out there and look for her? If the public is looking isn't that putting Cayley in danger also? WTH? The same with all the interviews, isn't that putting her in danger, IF there was any danger? She does a great job of talking out of both sides of her mouth.
That's what's been bothering me about this too. I live in Central Florida. If I happen to see Caylee should I tell the police or should I keep my mouth shut like Casey for fear something will happen to the little girl?? :waitasec:

[SuziQ]

i thought that too..something happens and they come take my laptop..i'm doomed.

You and the rest of us. If anyone ever looked at our search histories we'd be toast.

[fred67]

lying is not a crime...cindy

[gigi2009]

housemouse....great idea! It would be much easier for those of us with limited reading time to keep up with information if it were on a thread without the volumes of posts regarding, theories, bashing, repeating misinformation, and rehashing lies told. While many posters enjoy reading and posting regarding pure speculation, others want to just quickly read the facts and move on to other things.


There are threads pertaining to whatever you're interested in. Just check the fron page of the Caylee forum.

[french75]

Which version of the truth goes on the fact thread?

I would say anything that has been released by LE would be in the fact thread.

For the other thread (which would be quite lengthy!), it could be categorized and all versions could be listed... such as:

Contact from ZG
Casey called back a number that called her & spoke to Caylee; that number is now disconnected
ZG/Caylee called from a private number

Pictures
photographer states pictures were taken in June 20 timeframe
GP states pictures were taken when Casey was pregnant

etc....

[Elley Mae]

Laundry detergent (UV) I don't wash my husbands hunting clothes in detergent.

[lostnfound85]

I think the media is enabling Cindy and George by all the interviews. All these lies and half-truths being pushed out to the media really does the case no good. I think the media should ease up on the interviews, and concentrate on the search, and updates from the police.

[liltigress]

I have thought about that too. I think it's a good possibility.

That's the point I brought up before also. I question why he would know what was in that bag of trash. The NORMAL person wouldn't look inside a bag of trash to see what stinks. It's trash, it stinks, throw the damn bag away.

[gigi2009]

Pizza Theory
Gas cans stolen by neighbor
Dad, what dad, no dad, dead dad, married with kids dad

[boston_baby]

Casey say Lee that she had left purses at Tony's house "in a centralized area"

Who talks like that? Sooo weird. I don't think I've EVER referred to doing anything "in a centralized area," especially not where I store mundane objects.

[Zuckerschnecke]

I think the parents at that 911 call couldn't believe Caylee was really missing and the car DID smell like a 'dead body.' But at the time, Caylee missing and dead body were not in the same equation IN THEIR MINDS. Now that the unimagineable is upon them, they are backtracking because a) they don't want to believe Caylee is gone and b) that their daughter had anything to do with it. How do they sleep at night? They know, in their sick hearts and minds, they know.....They are just doing what they have always done and that's cover and enable their ill daughter.

[blondietx]

George didn't say anything about himself going to work on the 16th did he? He said he saw Casey, with Caylee in tow, leaving for work at 12:50 pm. He was watching his favorite cooking show.....

I really thought he did say he was about to leave for work. I can't say that with 100% certainty but I think he did.

[DianeB]

George didn't say anything about himself going to work on the 16th did he? He said he saw Casey, with Caylee in tow, leaving for work at 12:50 pm. He was watching his favorite cooking show.....
Yes he did. He said something about how he'd see them the next day, because by the time he got back from work they'd be in bed.

What this all contradicts is one of Cindy's early-days comments about Casey leaving on the 16th to have "bonding time" with Caylee, and her early-July myspace post wondering why they'd disappeared.

[Blink34]

Does anyone have FACTS about when George was unemployed and then remployed during the timeline in question... I distinctly remember him being unemployed and starting a ne job 7/14- am I wrong?

[Elley Mae]

pizza theory
gas cans stolen by neighbor
dad, what dad, no dad, dead dad, married with kids dad

rotflmao

[raeann]

GIgi2009: I have checked here everyday for a "just the facts" thread like several other forums have, so far, no luck on that one for Cayley's forum!

[SWAG1959]

I have a question. With this interview (Greta) last night - George specifically states that he SAW casey on the 24th - that SHE came to the house - that's where and when he got the gas cans back.

In the bond hearing he stated "under sworn oath" that he had not seen either Casey or Caylee in a month - or whatever days.

That is perjury. Plain and simple. Perjury. Under sworn oath in a courtroom in a court of law. Has nothing to do with lying to local LE, obstructing an invetigation, or evidence tampering. Perjury. period. He perjured himself last night on national television.

Why wasn't LE there first thing this morning or even late last night arresting him on PERJURY charges?

That's got me baffled. Anyone care to weigh in on this one?

[DianeB]

I think the media is enabling Cindy and George by all the interviews. All these lies and half-truths being pushed out to the media really does the case no good. I think the media should ease up on the interviews, and concentrate on the search, and updates from the police.Personally, I think LE is very happy to have this family on camera flapping their gums and contradicting themselves at every turn.

Can't you just see the prosecuting attorney, remote in hand, showing this stuff at trial?

[TraceyLeigh]

Yeah, I still can't see that George or Cindy had a hand in harming Caylee at all, but they are busier than a 3 legged cat in a sand box, covering up chit.

Now THAT has got to be the quote of the day! :laugh:

[Elley Mae]

Does anyone have FACTS about when George was unemployed and then remployed during the timeline in question... I distinctly remember him being unemployed and starting a ne job 7/14- am I wrong?

Blink I know in some part of the Greta Interview last night I heard George say that he was getting ready to go to work when Casey showed up at the house on the 24th.

[Blink34]

That's the point I brought up before also. I question why he would know what was in that bag of trash. The NORMAL person wouldn't look inside a bag of trash to see what stinks. It's trash, it stinks, throw the damn bag away.

LOL, Im entertaining the idea he got lucky on that one, truly. He says, something was smelly in said trunk, officer says, what- he says- I'll show you, it's in trash, voilla as luck would have it rotting pizza??

[SuziQ]

Who talks like that? Sooo weird. I don't think I've EVER referred to doing anything "in a centralized area," especially not where I store mundane objects.

The same type of person who says "nanny" instead of sitter. Arrogant lying people use big important words to feed their egos and make other people feel dumb. They also talk in circles to blur the facts. The entire family does this. Lee did it in the first interview about his nifty new info Casey told him about that was gonna solve this case.

[blondietx]

Why wasn't LE there first thing this morning or even late last night arresting him on PERJURY charges?

That's got me baffled. Anyone care to weigh in on this one?

Maybe it's just a long list of things that they plan to get him for?

[DianeB]

Who talks like that? Sooo weird. I don't think I've EVER referred to doing anything "in a centralized area," especially not where I store mundane objects.Let me guess - you don't mooch off your friends and sleep at their houses instead of your own?

[gigi2009]

GIgi2009: I have checked here everyday for a "just the facts" thread like several other forums have, so far, no luck on that one for Cayley's forum!

That's because the Anthony's and the facts cannot share the same space Sweetie. But there is an update page, a daily recap page, also a media link page that can keep you caught up if you have limited time and just need a quick recap of what's going on.

[Carrington]

So when George testified at the bond hearing about wrok he said he had a job in Ohio 79-89 and he just started a job end of July,he forgot he had a job on June 24th?

I think George is in charge of the housekeeping, cooking, shopping and maintenance. His list of duties also included babysitter.
Cindy brings home the bacon.
George also could have temp jobs as security, then Casey would need a Zanny. Until she moved out, bad move on her part.
IMO

[kathyn2]

The person, whether casey or not, could have just made up a number. It may not have been a real number.


LE must be tracing phone numbers to get records of who had the 'disconnected number' and if it could be traced back to Casey. If it WAS Casey at the apt. complex looking at the apartment under the ZG name, (which is what I believe) that number being disconnected is too coincidental - it must have been someone's number with significance or was an older number used by Casey. She would knowingly give a number that no one could be reached at. And any cell phone numbers that were really Casey's could be traced by payment means, no? It's not like she'd pay cash for her cell phone bill. Then again, maybe she just didn't pay her bill and it was eventually shut off.

[Blink34]

Maybe it's just a long list of things that they plan to get him for?

Not applicable, has not testified in court.. Tampering, obstruction, possibly liying to a fed all could be on the table..

ETA: I actualy meant to say it was their conversation to the feds that prompted this... I think George was asked the question or actually made that statement to the FBI because he knew he could be arrested for it, as opposed to LE. Feedback was given to LE, they advised him that the knew he lied, cough up the cans, etc.. or we will charge you.. possible

[Hailiejade77]

Regarding the trash can incident: If GP went to the trunk to remove this item even tho Casey was protesting, where was the garbage? How come he didn't see or smell this garbage and if he did, why didn't he remove it to the family garbage instead of leaving it in the trunk? The Anthony's are trying to say the garbage sat in there for 19 days or something. Well now apparently there was no garbage in there on the 24th.


This statement right there will show that the Anthony's have been lying. If he did see Casey and the trunk on June 24th, the "garbage" and "maggoty rotten pizza" would have been in there. He would have smelled it. Cindy said on Greta, There was just the gas cans and NORMAL things in the trunk. That blows the rotten pizza theory out of the water,.. IMO

[DianeB]

Does anyone have FACTS about when George was unemployed and then remployed during the timeline in question... I distinctly remember him being unemployed and starting a ne job 7/14- am I wrong?Cindy testified at the bond hearing that George started a new job on July 14th. I don't remember her talking about whether he was previously unemployed.

Lee and Casey joked on myspace in June 2006 about gifting George with a "Job Hunting for Dummies" book for Father's Day, so I take it he's had periods of unemployment in the past couple of years. Or maybe he has a disability that causes him to be unable to work at times?

[txelaine1]

Questions about the wedge supposedly in Casey's trunk.

I don't rotate my own tires, so I may not understand this exactly. But, why would the wedge be in Casey's trunk? Wouldn't George rotate Casey's and Cindy's tires in a garage or driveway? I think their garage is fairly well organized. Why not put the wedge back in the garage? I think Casey's trunk is a strange place to store it.

Or, maybe this makes good sense and I just don't understand?

[TraceyLeigh]

I really thought he did say he was about to leave for work. I can't say that with 100% certainty but I think he did.

Not to add more confusion (if that's possible), but George said he was watching his favorite news or cooking or whatever show when Casey came in on the 24th and the discovery of the gas cans in the trunk was made. Caylee was "supposedly" with Zanny on this day, according to Casey when George asked about her. The 16th was the last day he saw Caylee.

[SWAG1959]

Not applicable, has not testified in court.. Tampering, obstruction, possibly liying to a fed all could be on the table..

ETA: I actualy meant to say it was their conversation to the feds that prompted this... I think George was asked the question or actually made that statement to the FBI because he knew he could be arrested for it, as opposed to LE. Feedback was given to LE, they advised him that the knew he lied, cough up the cans, etc.. or we will charge you.. possible
How is that not applicable? He was in a courtroom - court of law - took the stand - raised his hand - sworn in. Whether it's a bond hearing, trial, whatever. What he did was perjure himself last night.

[Openmyeyes]

Does anyone have FACTS about when George was unemployed and then remployed during the timeline in question... I distinctly remember him being unemployed and starting a ne job 7/14- am I wrong?

I'm with you on this Blink. First, I don't believe it was ever said that he had any job prior to the new job, which involved some sort of security work. Perhaps he did some moonlighting, but I'm thinking the guy just didn't work.
I, also, believe the only reason he became gainfully employed was because of the credit card charges Casey ran up. Someone had to pay them somehow, and we know that no charges were made to authorities until Cindy decided to call police on Casey. George may not have wanted charges filed, and Cindy just decided to throw in everything she could think of to get Casey to produce Caylee.

George might be the bigger enabler of the two.

OME

[Zuckerschnecke]

I think the family has some dates mixed up. It seems that they knew the day of week, for example Father's Day, when they saw Caylee last and then didn't know that it was the 9th vs. 15th. If they were gone three weeks, I could see them saying, "about a month" or something to that effect. Plus, if they were used to seeing Caylee and then three weeks go by without seeing her, it could seem longer than it really is. I'm willing to cut them some slack on the dates because they are having to go back and remember BUT that being said, George would know if he saw her/them after the gas can incident. And in no way does this take away from the FACT that they are spinning a web of lies about the many aspects of this case. It sounds arrogant, but they just aren't in our league folks when it comes to what's upstairs.

What I want to know is, what is the cell phone saying from the 24th through the time she went into custody???? Who did she call, where are the pings?

[jbennett]

IMO Casey tries to sound too proper or intelligent in the phone calls. Almost like she has planned each and every word down to a script (which I'm thinking she has.)
The words she uses to describe things sometimes are so strange, too proper. Not words I would use when talking to my family, maybe when talking at work or with a professor but not with my family.

[impatientredhead]

Where exactly in the backyard did the dogs (inconsistently according to Cindy) hit? I ask because I am wondering if the gas cans GP removed from the trunk and put back in the shed are what they were smelling.

I have never thought the theories of Casey carrying Caylee's body around the backyard made any sense and thought that would be a clear hit by the dogs if it were true. But if the cans were in the trunk with Caylee and then moved to the backyard that might explain it. It would also tighten up the timeline.

I am also really curious if the ZG the police contacted who said they she didn't know Casey or Caylee, did she confirm looking at the apartment? The reporters in the area must be able to locate the same ZG the police did, no?

M

[DianeB]

This statement right there will show that the Anthony's have been lying. If he did see Casey and the trunk on June 24th, the "garbage" and "maggoty rotten pizza" would have been in there. Not if it was put into the trunk after the 24th and before the 27th, when the car was abandoned, and the 30th when it was towed.

But then, I don't believe George saw the car on the 24th unless a neighbor confirms it.

On the other hand, how would Cindy know how many days the pizza was in the trunk? She was counting back from the time the car was towed until it was picked up at the impound lot. How could she know it hadn't been left in the car a week or two earlier than June 27th?

[edgeofnight]

I believe the family is afraid of Casey. I'm going to bet since she was a little girl it was easier for the family to ignore, make excuses, whatever they had to do Just not confront Casey's mental problems. I can just hear the excuses. My little girl would not do that, it had to be her friends, my little girl didn't cheat on that test you are just picking on her so forth and so on. Everything she did oh how cute. I had a relative with a son who could do no wrong. Everything he did they laughed, they were afraid not to laugh they would never confront him. He is now dead from drugs. They know she has serious problems, but why change their way of dealing with her now? Who knows what kind of violence and threats she has used on the family? My observation, I could be way wrong, but that's how it looks like to me.

[Zuckerschnecke]

The person, whether casey or not, could have just made up a number. It may not have been a real number.

But that's my point, it just happened to be a disconnected number and not a 'wrong' number. Too much of a coincidence.

If I just randomly made up a phone number, chances are it belongs to someone and they would say, sorry you have the wrong number. But this number was disconnected.

[Cakegirl]

[quote=txelaine1;2462982]Questions about the wedge supposedly in Casey's trunk.

I don't rotate my own tires, so I may not understand this exactly. But, why would the wedge be in Casey's trunk? Wouldn't George rotate Casey's and Cindy's tires in a garage or driveway? I think their garage is fairly well organized. Why not put the wedge back in the garage? I think Casey's trunk is a strange place to store it.quote]

That's exactly what I was wondering. :waitasec: They have a 2 car garage attached to their house -- and didn't Cindy say that they had 3 sheds in the backyard?? Then why would he have this wedge in Casey's trunk?

[MayMay]

Not to add more confusion (if that's possible), but George said he was watching his favorite news or cooking or whatever show when Casey came in on the 24th and the discovery of the gas cans in the trunk was made. Caylee was "supposedly" with Zanny on this day, according to Casey when George asked about her. The 16th was the last day he saw Caylee.
No he said he was watching his favorite show on the 16th when Caylee and Casey left the house.

[SuziQ]

Why wasn't LE there first thing this morning or even late last night arresting him on PERJURY charges?

That's got me baffled. Anyone care to weigh in on this one?

Because they don't want the family to lawyer up. They want them to keep doing exactly what George did last night. If it wasn't for the fact that George made the comment about the gas cans to a reporter last week, then LE may have never known that he had them back. The more they talk the more they hang themselves.

[housemouse]

Which version of the truth goes on the fact thread?

Certainly not the Anthonys versions!

[blondietx]

Not applicable, has not testified in court.. Tampering, obstruction, possibly liying to a fed all could be on the table..

ETA: I actualy meant to say it was their conversation to the feds that prompted this... I think George was asked the question or actually made that statement to the FBI because he knew he could be arrested for it, as opposed to LE. Feedback was given to LE, they advised him that the knew he lied, cough up the cans, etc.. or we will charge you.. possible

Aha...got it. Thanks.

[Elley Mae]

Blink I am positive I heard George say he was getting ready to go to work on the 24th, If not mistaken Liltigress heard it too.

[athy]

IMO Casey tries to sound too proper or intelligent in the phone calls. Almost like she has planned each and every word down to a script (which I'm thinking she has.)
The words she uses to describe things sometimes are so strange, too proper. Not words I would use when talking to my family, maybe when talking at work or with a professor but not with my family.


some of her words come out sounding "legeleeze" as though they're words her lawyer would use.

[liltigress]

Not if it was put into the trunk after the 24th and before the 27th, when the car was towed.

But then, I don't believe George saw the car on the 24th unless a neighbor confirms it.

On the other hand, how would Cindy know how many days the pizza was in the trunk? She was counting back from the time the car was towed until it was picked up at the impound lot. How could she know it hadn't been left in the car a week or two earlier than June 27th?

Not just that, why would they KEEP the garbage up until July 16? Isn't that the day LE looked at the trash while investigating the car?

[shannon718]

I really thought he did say he was about to leave for work. I can't say that with 100% certainty but I think he did.

and then Cindy interjected...."before you went to work".

Which was totally bizarre.

[TraceyLeigh]

No he said he was watching his favorite show on the 16th when Caylee and Casey left the house.


Okay, seriously.. I give up this time.

[txelaine1]

IMO Casey tries to sound too proper or intelligent in the phone calls. Almost like she has planned each and every word down to a script (which I'm thinking she has.)
The words she uses to describe things sometimes are so strange, too proper. Not words I would use when talking to my family, maybe when talking at work or with a professor but not with my family.

I am a high school teacher and a bit of a grammar freak. It really bothers me that Cindy always says "where Caylee is at." "Casey needs to be where she is at." Etc.

It is interesting to me that Casey tries to use words and phrases to make her sound authoritative. It isn't working. It just sounds plain weird.

[LaWanda]

The Facts:

Caylee is missing.
Casey is in Jail.
Cindy called 911 Three times.
George called 911 to report a shed break in.

Those are the facts. It would be wayyy too short of a thread. Everything else, IMO is just lies lies lies.

[professoressa]

From Foxnews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

It's the last line that gets me:
Police say that what little Casey Anthony has told them has proven to be true.

What??

[Blink34]

Cindy testified at the bond hearing that George started a new job on July 14th. I don't remember her talking about whether he was previously unemployed.

Lee and Casey joked on myspace in June 2006 about gifting George with a "Job Hunting for Dummies" book for Father's Day, so I take it he's had periods of unemployment in the past couple of years. Or maybe he has a disability that causes him to be unable to work at times?

Got it, thanks, does anyone know why he switched jobs, left the old one or why- obviously subject to what was reported by media or him..

[shannon718]

Okay, seriously.. I give up this time.

AND THEN CINDY INTERJECTED: "before you went to work"

which was totally bizarre.

[liltigress]

Blink I am positive I heard George say he was getting ready to go to work on the 24th, If not mistaken Liltigress heard it too.

I did hear that. He was watching his favorite "News/Cooking Program" at 1:10, then Cindy chimed in with him, "just before he was to leave for work"

[DianeB]

Questions about the wedge supposedly in Casey's trunk.

I don't rotate my own tires, so I may not understand this exactly. But, why would the wedge be in Casey's trunk? Wouldn't George rotate Casey's and Cindy's tires in a garage or driveway? I think their garage is fairly well organized. Why not put the wedge back in the garage? I think Casey's trunk is a strange place to store it.

Or, maybe this makes good sense and I just don't understand?I wonder how long it took George to come up with an item he thought would make a plausible reason for him to need to go into the trunk.

What little I've seen of that everything-in-its-place garage makes me wonder why something like a tire wedge would be kept in a relatively small car trunk. (But nice try, George.)

[SWAG1959]

Because they don't want the family to lawyer up. They want them to keep doing exactly what George did last night. If it wasn't for the fact that George made the comment about the gas cans to a reporter last week, then LE may have never known that he had them back. The more they talk the more they hang themselves.
Yes, I have thought that as well. Why lock them up - let them keep hanging themselves. The only reason I am questioning the perjury is that judges don't take kindly AT ALL to someone who perjures themself. You can bet those phone lines were a buzzin' last night with the judge seriously questioning WHY this man isn't being picked up. Judges do not like to be viewed in a "bad" light. I don't for sure but I think judges in Orlando are elected. They may not be - I think they are. Judges that are elected are all about their "public reputation". If that is the case - this judge has got to be steaming over last night's revelations.

[kathyn2]

I brought up the trash too. Why didn't it stink when GP took out the gas cans??? And how come he didn't remove it? How come no one is putting 2 and 2 together about how there was no trash when he took the gas cans out???


That's the point I brought up before also. I question why he would know what was in that bag of trash. The NORMAL person wouldn't look inside a bag of trash to see what stinks. It's trash, it stinks, throw the damn bag away.

[Blink34]

Blink I am positive I heard George say he was getting ready to go to work on the 24th, If not mistaken Liltigress heard it too.

Thanks, I did as well, I was trying to confirm he was actually working

[Mendara]

The Facts:

Caylee is missing.
Casey is in Jail.
Cindy called 911 Three times.
George called 911 to report a shed break in.

Those are the facts. It would be wayyy too short of a thread. Everything else, IMO is just lies lies lies.


Those are indeed the only facts.

[athy]

The Facts:

Caylee is missing.
Casey is in Jail.
Cindy called 911 Three times.
George called 911 to report a shed break in.

Those are the facts. It would be wayyy too short of a thread. Everything else, IMO is just lies lies lies.


Fact: Cindy said smells like there was a dead body in the **** car

Fact: George took LE aside and said he thinks casey is lying that something happened.

[professoressa]

I am a high school teacher and a bit of a grammar freak. It really bothers me that Cindy always says "where Caylee is at." "Casey needs to be where she is at." Etc.

It is interesting to me that Casey tries to use words and phrases to make her sound authoritative. It isn't working. It just sounds plain weird.

DITTO!!! It makes me cringe!:sick:

[blondietx]

I did hear that. He was watching his favorite "News/Cooking Program" at 1:10, then Cindy chimed in with him, "just before he was to leave for work"

Yep...I remember that, too.

[Elley Mae]

I did hear that. He was watching his favorite "News/Cooking Program" at 1:10, then Cindy chimed in with him, "just before he was to leave for work"

Thank you again

[Chica]

Questions about the wedge supposedly in Casey's trunk.
...But, why would the wedge be in Casey's trunk? Wouldn't George rotate Casey's and Cindy's tires in a garage or driveway? ...Why not put the wedge back in the garage? I think Casey's trunk is a strange place to store it.

Or, maybe this makes good sense and I just don't understand?

I believe the car was actually George and Cindy's and they let Casey use it?

[liltigress]

From Foxnews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

It's the last line that gets me:
Police say that what little Casey Anthony has told them has proven to be true.

What??

Bolded by me. Meaning, that "little" information she has told them, turned out to be true?

[Blink34]

I wonder how long it took George to come up with an item he thought would make a plausible reason for him to need to go into the trunk.

What little I've seen of that everything-in-its-place garage makes me wonder why something like a tire wedge would be kept in a relatively small car trunk. (But nice try, George.)

I concur.. guess they have it all covered save for where there grandbaby is

[marleysmom]

Maybe there should be a "sticky" for everyone to read... or two stickies.

One would be for proven facts. What has been reported by LE, and tied down as reliable.

The other would be for false or conjectured info. This one would include all the misinfo, lies, speculations, etc.

Then, people could read these, and not keep repeating the misinfo as factual?

If you go through the daily updates you can more or less get the answer to most of the questions that are being asked ad nauseum. As a newbie I've been making sure to read the daily updates and some of the other specified threads before posting to general discussion. Just a hint for some of us newbies....its worked so far (for me at least).

[Chica]

This statement right there will show that the Anthony's have been lying. If he did see Casey and the trunk on June 24th, the "garbage" and "maggoty rotten pizza" would have been in there. He would have smelled it. Cindy said on Greta, There was just the gas cans and NORMAL things in the trunk. That blows the rotten pizza theory out of the water,.. IMO

Wasn't the car picked up from the Tow Yard on 7/15? If so, that would be 15 days alone in July...if there was no garbage in the trunk on 6/24, that would add a max of 6 additional days in June, for a possible total of 21 days of pizza in the trunk...right??:confused:

[Hailiejade77]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html




VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So the 15th is Sunday, Father's Day. Everything's normal, everything's fine. The next morning is the last day that either you or George saw her. Do you remember about what time of day it was?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, specifically. I remember it was 10 minutes to 1:00 on Monday the 16th.

VAN SUSTEREN: So in the middle of the afternoon or early afternoon.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it was shortly after the lunchtime hour. I was watching a favorite show I like to watch on TV, a news...

CINDY ANTHONY: Before you go to work.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it's was a Food Channel thing I watched, so...

VAN SUSTEREN: And was it -- you were watching here in the living room.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Right, and I was sitting right here, almost in the same spot, just watching it, and saw my granddaughter and my daughter come out, you know, with their backpacks and...

CINDY ANTHONY: Like any other day.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Just like a normal thing type thing.





VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So as best you can tell, it happened between the 22nd and the 24th. someone broke in there.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Uh-huh.

That's when I saw my daughter. I was getting ready to go to work, and the garage door goes open and my daughter comes in. This is about 2:25, 2:30 in the afternoon on the 24th. As she comes in the house, and I said, Hey, how're you doing? And she says, Fine, Dad. I says, Well, what's going on? And she says, Oh, I'm just stopping home for about 10 minutes, get some clothes. I go to go back to work. Where's Caylee? She's with Zanny. And I said, OK, when are you guys coming home? She says, Oh, we'll be back home maybe late tonight or the next day.

I said, OK. Have you been talking to Mom? Oh, yes, I talk to Mom every day. I said, I know, but did you talk to Mom today? She sort of hesitated for a moment and she says, Yes. And she says, Oh, by the way, it's a shame what happened in the shed. And I said...

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, because (INAUDIBLE)


He was getting ready for work

[DianeB]

I did hear that. He was watching his favorite "News/Cooking Program" at 1:10, then Cindy chimed in with him, "just before he was to leave for work"Wasn't that what he said about the last time he'd seen Caylee on June 16th?

He said he saw Casey on the 24th at 2:25PM, but Caylee wasn't with her.

[SWAG1959]

Fact: Cindy said smells like there was a dead body in the **** car

Fact: George took LE aside and said he thinks casey is lying that something happened.
and the cadavar dogs hitting on the trunk and backyard

[Lanie]

Where exactly in the backyard did the dogs (inconsistently according to Cindy) hit? I ask because I am wondering if the gas cans GP removed from the trunk and put back in the shed are what they were smelling.

I have never thought the theories of Casey carrying Caylee's body around the backyard made any sense and thought that would be a clear hit by the dogs if it were true. But if the cans were in the trunk with Caylee and then moved to the backyard that might explain it. It would also tighten up the timeline.

I am also really curious if the ZG the police contacted who said they she didn't know Casey or Caylee, did she confirm looking at the apartment? The reporters in the area must be able to locate the same ZG the police did, no?

M

And it would also explain why LE took the gascans. I don't see Casey as having the personality to put in the hard work necessary to dig a hole big enough to buy a child Caylee's size. She might have originally intended to do it, and even started doing it, but then realized how difficult it was really going to be and had to come up with another plan. JMHO

Lanie

[txelaine1]

I believe the car was actually George and Cindy's and they let Casey use it?

I think that is the case also. But, still, why store a tire wedge in the trunk of one car when you need it for all 3 at some point or another? Why not store it in the garage?

[TraceyLeigh]

Bolded by me. Meaning, that "little" information she has told them, turned out to be true?

Ummm... maybe the editor of this article is smokin' crack today?? Serious typo if you ask me...??

[liltigress]

I brought up the trash too. Why didn't it stink when GP took out the gas cans??? And how come he didn't remove it? How come no one is putting 2 and 2 together about how there was no trash when he took the gas cans out???

Right, according to the newest lies George is throwing out there, the time lines he's giving, would say the trash was in the car when he got the cans.

I've heard different interviews with both George and Cindy about how long the pizza was in the car. 19.. 15.. and 12? They can't get it right.

[gigi2009]

Bolded by me. Meaning, that "little" information she has told them, turned out to be true?


I believe that's a typo on Fox's part. All the other reports has LE saying over and over that they have disproved all of Casey's statements.

[StealthTheory]

Bolded by me. Meaning, that "little" information she has told them, turned out to be true?

That has to be a typo.

[DianeB]

And it would also explain why LE took the gascans. I don't see Casey as having the personality to put in the hard work necessary to dig a hole big enough to buy a child Caylee's size. She might have originally intended to do it, and even started doing it, but then realized how difficult it was really going to be and had to come up with another plan. JMHO

Lanie"Hi, you want to go to the beach with me this weekend?"

[TraceyLeigh]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html


snipped

He was getting ready for work

Thank YOU for clearing that up ! Losing my mind here! :crazy:

[french75]

The Facts:

Caylee is missing.
Casey is in Jail.
Cindy called 911 Three times.
George called 911 to report a shed break in.

Those are the facts. It would be wayyy too short of a thread. Everything else, IMO is just lies lies lies.

Fact: per the affidavit, LE contacted the ZG identified from Sawgrass. She was cooperative and did not know of Casey or Caylee and she has not babysat anyone.

Fact: LE removed two gas cans as evidence from the Anthony home

Fact: The Anthonys had paver stones (not cement) put in their backyard during the first week in July

[athy]

Bolded by me. Meaning, that "little" information she has told them, turned out to be true?


i think that should be " little of what Casey Anthony has told us is true"

[liltigress]

Wasn't that what he said about the last time he'd seen Caylee on June 16th?

He said he saw Casey on the 24th at 2:25PM, but Caylee wasn't with her.

You know.. I think so. June 16th Casey was leaving to go to work just like any normal day, giving kisses and hugs and said she may be working late and might not be home and was taking Caylee to the nanny's.

Then he sees Casey on the 24th without Caylee and he gets the gas cans from her trunk using this wedge as an excuse to get into the car. He was suspicious that day of something, possibly the gas cans.

[Cakegirl]

From Foxnews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

It's the last line that gets me:
Police say that what little Casey Anthony has told them has proven to be true.

What??


yeah, I think they left off the "not" as in... has proven not to be true. It has to be -- has anything she said been proven as fact??

[OldSarge]

Blink I am positive I heard George say he was getting ready to go to work on the 24th, If not mistaken Liltigress heard it too.

Elley Mae, you are correct I heard him say that he was watching his favorite show on the food network.

I said to my wife, Greta should ask him......

1. Where do you work now?

and

2. Where did you THINK Casey was working?

[gigi2009]

I think that is the case also. But, still, why store a tire wedge in the trunk of one car when you need it for all 3 at some point or another? Why not store it in the garage?

The Anthony's are doing exactly what my kids did when they were little. Ummm, no I don't have it, I never saw it, I had nothing to do with it,well I had it but then I lost it, she took it, he took it, we lost it, ummm okay well the reason I took it, I mean she took it is cause nobody wanted it, needed it,I don't know where it is, here is where it was, don't know where it is now, oops here's where I put it,but it's gone now in anycase I'm INNOCENT Mom!:bang:

[Cakegirl]

AND THEN CINDY INTERJECTED: "before you went to work"

which was totally bizarre.


she seemed to be totally on pins & needles while George was telling his story... almost like she was scared he'd say something wrong.

[marleysmom]

If you read the affidavit, it clearly states that LE got in contact with the ZG identified from Sawgrass. The number wasn't disconnected when the policed used it. For all we know, it has not been disconnected at this point. However, Casey has said that ZG/Caylee called her from a number that is now disconnected/private (depending on which version you believe).

Did they ask her if she went to the apt complex? They just say that they she didn't know Casey. Also, are we assuming its a cell number? Do they know for sure that its not a land line? It seems these questions haven't been answered b/c there was a report that LE went back to the complex today amid reports that the real date was 6/17. Maybe there were a few too many assumptions made on LE's part the first time they questioned the "real" ZG.

[ketel0ne]

Fact: per the affidavit, LE contacted the ZG identified from Sawgrass. She was cooperative and did not know of Casey or Caylee and she has not babysat anyone.

Fact: LE removed two gas cans as evidence from the Anthony home

Fact: The Anthonys had paver stones (not cement) put in their backyard during the first week in July

Did that ZG confirm she had looked at an apt, or just that the info on the card was her.

[Lanie]

From Foxnews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

It's the last line that gets me:
Police say that what little Casey Anthony has told them has proven to be true.

What??

I bet that was supposed to say "untrue".
Lanie

[liltigress]

I bet that was supposed to say "untrue".
Lanie

Yeah, definitely a typo.

"Ms. Anthony and the truth are strangers"

[Blink34]

Fact: per the affidavit, LE contacted the ZG identified from Sawgrass. She was cooperative and did not know of Casey or Caylee and she has not babysat anyone.

Fact: LE removed two gas cans as evidence from the Anthony home

Fact: The Anthonys had paver stones (not cement) put in their backyard during the first week in July
That was my recollection, cant find confirming link, and for those that dont know, there is a type of "pavers" look that is colored poured concrete with a mold on top, still concrete

[Cakegirl]

I believe the car was actually George and Cindy's and they let Casey use it?

But the way I understand it -- Casey has always used that car, as in the parents got the car for her. I couldn't see George putting around town in a car with a 4-leaf clover on the back window... but I could be wrong.

[french75]

Bolded by me. Meaning, that "little" information she has told them, turned out to be true?

I think they mean that "little" as in "a very small amount" has proven to be true ... so most has proven NOT to be true.