Dr. Phil Show-Links to show now added

[believe09]

Mr. Kyle has been invited to be a guest on the Dr. Phil show. As soon as the show is taped and there is an air date, I will pass it along to my fellow sleuthers. For now, please follow the link:
http://www.drphil.com/

In the center of the webpage,watch the images scroll by-you will see our own Benjaman Kyle! The good DR is soliciting information regarding BK prior to the show being taped.


:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:



Thank you PattyG!

October 16, 2008
Dr. Phil Show

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJLHHKiVF4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJLHHKiVF4)
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsy1LTJXAQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsy1LTJXAQ)
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqEX0vkmS0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqEX0vkmS0s)
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1OMUewdKY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1OMUewdKY)
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXdIh9s7WlU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXdIh9s7WlU)
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__wAbFKSno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__wAbFKSno)
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJpcHzEpt0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJpcHzEpt0)

[Cubby]

AWESOME! I am so happy Benjaman Kyle has this national exposure. I hope this leads to his identity.
WTG Dr. Phil! Thank you!

Will be looking forward to the show airing. Thanks believe for the update!
Mr. Kyle is a good looking man. It's hard to understand how no one seems to be looking for him and how we can't find him among the many missing persons.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Oh that's fantastic ! ! ! ! ! I can't wait for him to find out who he is.

[christine2448]

Thank you believe09 for keeping everyone informed. This is fanflippintastic!

Big kudos to believe09 who is working tirelessly with Nurse Betty, BK, FBI, all to get him there and make sure they are both prepared. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

:woohoo::woohoo:

[phenolred]

Thanks for all your hard work believe!!!!

[christine2448]

This is sooooooooooooo awesome!

Do You Know This Man?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/bkdp.jpg

Imagine waking up one day and having no idea who you are. You have no memory of where you live, where you came from, who your family or friends are, or even what your name is. Everything in your memory is gone. That is what happened to this man. Dr. Phil is helping him find his identity. We are looking for any information you may have on him, his name, his family or where he's from. If you recognize this man please email us with any information, immediately!

[annemc2]

Ooooooh! How exciting!


And the Dr. Phil show is a REAL show! Not like one of those talk shows that come on at 2am on the WB or something.

Wow, wow!

:woohoo:

[MsRyber]

Absolutely! And it is on right after Oprah, so even MORE exposure.
I am sure, like me, a lot of people have it on while cooking dinner, etc. I know I do.

Gosh, this is so awesome, I can't believe his ID may be RIGHT around the corner!

[believe09]

Mr. Kyle is in a very interesting position if you think about it; it must be so hard to keep putting yourself out there, knowing that the people who are currently in your life have a certain expectation as to who he "will be" when he is finally identified. He just wants to be a regular "Joe Blow" to quote him-someone who can fade into the background and go about the business of day to day living with nothing more than the ordinary struggles most of us face....this is ultimately what I wish for him-but I cannot deny it would be nice to see him comfortably set with no more privation.

[christine2448]

I wonder how much research Dr. Phils team will do in preparation for the show. If they will read here to see all that we have found out.

[phenolred]

I wonder how much research Dr. Phils team will do in preparation for the show. If they will read here to see all that we have found out.

I HOPE they DO!!!!

[MidnightQ]

The Dr. Phil Show is aired all over the world - Within a week after it has been aired in the US, it is aired in Denmark. And when travelling around Europe, I have seen the show in many different countries.

[Truthful Lies]

This is exciting! Thanks, believe!

[phenolred]

I love the age regressed pics they have up on Dr Phil


http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/DoYouKnowThisMan/

[believe09]

I know that there was a flurry of activity this past weekend in Savannah in relation to the show...I will let you know as soon as I get any updated information....

[Cubby]

:Banane44::bananajump: YEA for BK! I can't wait for an update believe, and thanks for mentioning the age regressed photo's phen' I hadn't checked the site for a few days. Wow! They look great!

Prayers this avenue leads BK to his identity, family and friends.

[Gina_M]

Wow - I just popped in to check on BK and saw this amazing update! believe09, and everyone else diligently working on this case, you are awesome! :blowkiss:

[believe09]

Wow - I just popped in to check on BK and saw this amazing update! believe09, and everyone else diligently working on this case, you are awesome! :blowkiss:

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[fmw63]

just had to do it :crazy::crazy::crazy:

[believe09]

just had to do it :crazy::crazy::crazy:

You nailed it!

[BeavisMom62]

YaY! WTG Believe! I hope that finally BK gets a name, identity and maybe even a family! National TV exposure is definitely the way to go! This is most definitely My Opinion Only, but I sure hope Dr Phil treats this with sensitivity not sensationalism. I would hate to see BK put on the spot or made to look like a fool. Do you know what I mean? I hate to even say that, but Dr. Phil is not really my favorite person. Mods, if this is not the correct spot for this post, please feel free to delete. But Dr. Phil isn't what I would really call "warm and fuzzy". Oh, I don't know. Never mind. :blush: You know what I mean. Anyway, Best of Luck BK! I'm wishing you all the best!:blowkiss:

[christine2448]

:eek:just had to do it :crazy::crazy::crazy:

LOL! :eek:

[ArizonaGiGi]

:laugh::laugh:just had to do it :crazy::crazy::crazy:

[LI_Mom]

I wonder how much research Dr. Phils team will do in preparation for the show. If they will read here to see all that we have found out.

I wouldn't sit back & hope the Dr. Phil staff does their homework..... I'd prepare a detailed email of all the things you found out & believe they need to know.

For Dr. Phil, this is just one more show to tape & get on the air.

[cutegirltoo]

I saw BK on one of our local news websites today!
www.koin.com
Let it scroll a couple times through the headlines- then there he is! Must be in relation to the upcoming show?

[believe09]

I saw BK on one of our local news websites today!
www.koin.com (http://www.koin.com)
Let it scroll a couple times through the headlines- then there he is! Must be in relation to the upcoming show?

I couldn't find it, but I believe you...COOL. It's possible that the show is being taped even as we speak. I need to wait for Mr. Kyle to get back to me, but as soon as he does, I will share whatever he is allowed to set forth.

[BeavisMom62]

That is so cool, believe. I sure hope that he (and we) gets what he is looking for. An identify and maybe, finally a family! Wouldn't that be wonderful!~?

[Elphaba]

For once, I have a reason to watch Dr. Phil. I think it will be great for BK... putting pics of him out there, is one thing, but to put forth an actual filmed video of him will elevate things to a whole higher level... maybe someone watching will see him, pick up on his facial mannerism or/and voice mannerisms and make a connection. *crossing fingers*

[BeavisMom62]

I hope so too, elphaba. I first heard of BK when reading the Enquirer then found him here. I used to live in Savannah and I remember Richmond Hill where he was found. I sure hope that someone can identify the man.

[EmilyE]

Wow thats great! Oprah should do a show on him too! Benjaman needs to be returned to his family.

[believe09]

The show is scheduled to air during the first two weeks of the new fall season; the season usually starts the first week of September, so let's keep an eye out for notices. I will let you know if Mr. Kyle get's advanced notice.

The confidentiality agreements regarding the taping of the show etc are pretty substantial so there is very little that can be posted about his experience right now...it is a great chance to get his face out there and as always this is a start.

I want to draft a letter to GA senators and reps to see if someone can get this man some ID so he can at least start to make a living of some kind until things fall into place for him.

[Julessleuther]

Can we still work on this on our end though, or do we have to stop?

The show is scheduled to air during the first two weeks of the new fall season; the season usually starts the first week of September, so let's keep an eye out for notices. I will let you know if Mr. Kyle get's advanced notice.

The confidentiality agreements regarding the taping of the show etc are pretty substantial so there is very little that can be posted about his experience right now...it is a great chance to get his face out there and as always this is a start.

I want to draft a letter to GA senators and reps to see if someone can get this man some ID so he can at least start to make a living of some kind until things fall into place for him.

[christine2448]

Can we still work on this on our end though, or do we have to stop?

He has NOT been identified as of yet, please continue your search for his identity. :blowkiss:

[Fairy1]

The show is scheduled to air during the first two weeks of the new fall season; the season usually starts the first week of September, so let's keep an eye out for notices. I will let you know if Mr. Kyle get's advanced notice.

The confidentiality agreements regarding the taping of the show etc are pretty substantial so there is very little that can be posted about his experience right now...it is a great chance to get his face out there and as always this is a start.

I want to draft a letter to GA senators and reps to see if someone can get this man some ID so he can at least start to make a living of some kind until things fall into place for him.

Hello believe! Is this confidentiality agreement in relation to the show and what we can post here about that? It's a little late to play it close to the vest here at this point!

I sure wish Dr. Phil would do a tie-in with WS! There's been so, so, so much work on Benjaman's case here!

[believe09]

Hello believe! Is this confidentiality agreement in relation to the show and what we can post here about that? It's a little late to play it close to the vest here at this point!

I sure wish Dr. Phil would do a tie-in with WS! There's been so, so, so much work on Benjaman's case here!


A good question, Fairy-but I wouldn't have posted if I couldn't...It was in the public domain once it went on the Dr. Phil website.

[Salem]

Respectfully snipped ~
I want to draft a letter to GA senators and reps to see if someone can get this man some ID so he can at least start to make a living of some kind until things fall into place for him.

Believe - do you think Dr. Phil will address this "hardship" issue? It is impossible for BK to make a living without an identity. Will Dr. Phill help with that at all? Give BK access to one of the network's attorneys to help him out?

Salem

Also, it might be worth looking around the Social Security site. I'll try to do that, but my time is seriously crunched for the next couple of weeks (I'd have to give up my websleuths time :eek::eek:, which I will gladly do if something breaks in the Caylee Anthony case).

[believe09]

Respectfully snipped ~

Believe - do you think Dr. Phil will address this "hardship" issue? It is impossible for BK to make a living without an identity. Will Dr. Phill help with that at all? Give BK access to one of the network's attorneys to help him out?

Salem

Also, it might be worth looking around the Social Security site. I'll try to do that, but my time is seriously crunched for the next couple of weeks (I'd have to give up my websleuths time :eek::eek:, which I will gladly do if something breaks in the Caylee Anthony case).


From your lips to, well you all know the saying!!! I know that the issue was brought up before the audience and Dr. Phil highlighted the fact that BK was asked to compromise his citizenship in order to get some benefits-whether it makes it through editing is the key piece.

[snowme]

Any news on when this may get to air? I don't often catch afternoon television (it comes on in my area around 3 pm, I believe) and am anxious to not miss it! :crazy:

[WantingToHelp]

No one replied to the last poster..

Does anyone know anything about when this will air on the Dr Phil show? I'd love to make sure I TIVO it so that I don't miss it!

[Tracie5]

I can't help but feel that not only does Dr Phil want to air this story, but he wants to solve the mystery for Mr Kyle also. This might take some time, but wouldn't it be great? Maybe this is the reason for the delay.

I too am waiting daily for news of when the show will air.

[believe09]

Rumor has it he may be saving him for November sweeps-this is our incentive to beat Dr Phil to the punch and step up the sleuthing, hmmm??

[christine2448]

Rumor has it he may be saving him for November sweeps-this is our incentive to beat Dr Phil to the punch and step up the sleuthing, hmmm??
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[angelwngs]

I can't help but feel that not only does Dr Phil want to air this story, but he wants to solve the mystery for Mr Kyle also. This might take some time, but wouldn't it be great? Maybe this is the reason for the delay.

I too am waiting daily for news of when the show will air.

What if...His plan is to actually reunite him with his loved ones and Dr. P has put his investigators on finding his family... Maybe that has something to do with why it is taking so long to air. The first show will be his story and a follow up soon after to reveal his long lost family being reunited...Wouldn't that be wonderful!

If not that, he might be using his guys to make sure that BK isn't in any trouble from his past life...Clearing the slate before running the show..

[Julespa]

While I would love to have Benjamin reunited with his family I would think it would be cruel to wait for so long just for publicity. Then again I am not a big fan of Dr. Phil and probably could see him doing that for ratings. IMO

[Fairy1]

What if...His plan is to actually reunite him with his loved ones and Dr. P has put his investigators on finding his family... Maybe that has something to do with why it is taking so long to air. The first show will be his story and a follow up soon after to reveal his long lost family being reunited...Wouldn't that be wonderful!

If not that, he might be using his guys to make sure that BK isn't in any trouble from his past life...Clearing the slate before running the show..

It certainly would be wonderful if DP is attempting to determine Benjaman's ID before the show airs! I do not care how he is returned to his family just so long as he is!

IIRC - it has been determined that BK does not appear to have a criminal past.

[believe09]

LE is pushing to get the show aired this month. This will save some effort in terms of attempting to obtain more DNA for comparison in the Douglas Mueller case, for example. The hope is that someone will see BK and call up and say, Oh my land it is Uncle XYZ..."

[believe09]

While I would love to have Benjamin reunited with his family I would think it would be cruel to wait for so long just for publicity. Then again I am not a big fan of Dr. Phil and probably could see him doing that for ratings. IMO

DITTO!!!! I think playing with someone's hope is a little callous, jmo.

[snowme]

LE is pushing to get the show aired this month. This will save some effort in terms of attempting to obtain more DNA for comparison in the Douglas Mueller case, for example. The hope is that someone will see BK and call up and say, Oh my land it is Uncle XYZ..."

Yay! :woohoo: LE pushing for an air date is a refreshing, good sign. I agree with you on 'playing with people's hope'... oh so typical, it seems, out in hollywoodland, but definitely callous.

Thanks for the good news tidbit!

[believe09]

Check out the website and you will see Mr. Kyle's show listed to air. Check local broadcasting lists, but right now it looks like it will air on
OCTOBER 16!!!!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Cubby]

Check out the website and you will see Mr. Kyle's show listed to air. Check local broadcasting lists, but right now it looks like it will air on
OCTOBER 16!!!!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:



Excellent! Thanks so much for letting us know! :woohoo:

[Fairy1]

Have my DVR set and my fingers (and toes!) crossed for Benjaman!!!

[Cymro]

Two things:

1. Has anyone explored the possibility that BK could be Dr Phil's long lost brother? :crazy:

and

2. I'm so glad I'm going to be in the country to see this as I am usually in the United Kingdom but am in Virginia for a week on vacation at the moment :woohoo:

[EmMomma]

I live about 45 minutes from Savannah, I've never heard of Mr. Kyle until I saw Chicoliving's announcement...
I had chill bumps reading his story on SavannahNow...I am SO excited for him to get this opportunity to appear on Dr. Phil!
This may lead him to all the answers he's been looking for!:)

[MissieMt]

This case has stuck with me since the first thread was started. His eyes just seem so caring. I can't wait to see the show, and I am praying that there will be new information on his identity.

[SeekingJana]

Millions of people watch the Dr. Phil shows, both on a daily basis, and also late at night in replay and in syndication.

I truly believe this is one guest whom Dr. Phil will have excellent rapport with, and I believe he can help uncover who Benjaman is. Oh, how I hope there is a family waiting for him and who will see this tomorrow. Benjaman's case simply breaks my heart because he is one of the " living lost".

PLEASE pray for the right people to see this episode tomorrow. I hope and pray for the best for you, Benjaman, and will be watching and DVRing the show. I will be with you in spirit!!!

Maria

[passionategray]

I'll be praying for sure.

[SieSie]

This case has stuck with me since the first thread was started. His eyes just seem so caring. I can't wait to see the show, and I am praying that there will be new information on his identity.
Me too, MissieMt!! I agree about his eyes, too - they seem so kind.

I was so excited to see the announcement that he'll be on Dr. Phil tomorrow, Oct. 16th. :woohoo: What excellent news and exposure, I pray he finds his identity.

[snowme]

:woohoo: So glad I signed in and caught this info!

Check out the website and you will see Mr. Kyle's show listed to air. Check local broadcasting lists, but right now it looks like it will air on
OCTOBER 16!!!!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[believe09]

:rolling:

Two things:

1. Has anyone explored the possibility that BK could be Dr Phil's long lost brother? :crazy:

and

2. I'm so glad I'm going to be in the country to see this as I am usually in the United Kingdom but am in Virginia for a week on vacation at the moment :woohoo:

[BeavisMom62]

Yeah! Finally! I hope he finds his family after all this time. Best of Luck, BK!!!

[Boyz_Mum]

I do hope today is Mr. Kyle's day to be recognized by a family who loves and misses him. :)

[believe09]

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
Wishing you some fufilled hopes, Mr. Kyle-I hope the phone lines light up and that they are not ALL crazies!!!!

Peace-
Believe

[Cubby]

I hope todays the day Mr. Kyle gets some answers.
I'll be praying and watching!

[Boyz_Mum]

I have to wait until 3 pm to watch.

Does anyone know if it's available to watch on the internet sooner than that?

[phenolred]

whoooo hooo im sooo excited

[OkGrace]

Ready to watch at 3, Really amazed at the efforts you all put in to trying to id Mr.Kyle, alot of great minds and ideas!

[angelwngs]

My prayers and hopes are with you, Mr K. :)

[fmw63]

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1146/

The promo & what looks like transcripts of the interviews are here.
Haven't found a "live" link yet...

[MissieMt]

I am a nervous wreck for Benjaman today. I have spent the whole morning re-reading all the threads. I'm praying for answers for Benjaman today!!!

[believe09]

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1146/

The promo & what looks like transcripts of the interviews are here.
Haven't found a "live" link yet...

Thanks, FM!! I am really interested to see the spin they put on his story-keeping in mind that the show is entertainment, and not completely based on facts perhaps....

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

Two things:

1. Has anyone explored the possibility that BK could be Dr Phil's long lost brother? :crazy:



I was just logging in to make the same comment. That has been my thought since I first saw the pictures.

[Tracie5]

Less than an hour to go before Dr Phil. My thoughts and prayers are with you Mr Kyle. I hope this show gets very positive results for you!

[SeekingJana]

Benjaman looks like such a nice, warm, caring man. He DESERVES a good life, whether a past life resumes, or whether he gets the chance to pick up from here and go forward with renewed support and help from those who have the resources to help him. ( like Dr. Phil and Oprah).

I am so sorry that you were beaten almost to death and suffered so badly at the hands of thugs. I believe in my heart that although you do not remember your past, you were a professional man, a good man, a gentle and highly intelligent man.

Benjaman, I am praying very hard for you, today especially. I always will pray for you and think of you until I read that you have a life which brings you peace and contentment.

Maria

[LoriC73]

I have to admit I had never heard of BK, and after watching Dr. Phil today, my heart goes out to him. I can't imagine waking up and not knowing your name, your past or your family. I find it hard to believe that no one is missing him-he could be someone's father or brother. No one is looking for him?!? So sad....

[believe09]

:slap:

I missed it-I am the world's biggest dork. It was on 3PM here and I thought it was 5.

On again at 8pm...sigh.

[SeekingJana]

It's a very moving show, thus far. I hope so much that Dr. Phil is able to finally bring a breakthrough to this very nice man.

Maria

[STEADFAST]

Watching it now. Wow, he really looks different to me "in person." And it's very interesting to hear his voice finally.

[believe09]

Watching it now. Wow, he really looks different to me "in person." And it's very interesting to hear his voice finally.

I am glad you mentioned that-I have been talking to him for a few months now and the first thing I noticed was that he sounds almost like he has an obstruction or scar tissue. I had a loved one who had a whole lot of throat surgery, so it helped me make the comparison....

[believe09]

It's a very moving show, thus far. I hope so much that Dr. Phil is able to finally bring a breakthrough to this very nice man.

Maria


:blowkiss:

Does anyone know if there is a way to copy this stuff onto a computer and link it??

[fox1950]

This is the strangest case. I would think that with all the people who watch the show that someone would come forward with some information as to who he is. The age regression pictures were interesting-didn't look too much like any of the missing persons so far.

[SeriouslySearching]

This is great!! It is wonderful to see him break into that smile. I can't wait to hear the rest of the show. (Doesn't WS get an honorable mention?!)

[SeriouslySearching]

:blowkiss:

Does anyone know if there is a way to copy this stuff onto a computer and link it??Contact Patty G! She can do it!

[SeriouslySearching]

Where is everyone?

[LaWanda]

I'm at work but I have my DVR set to record. Dr. Phil doesn't show here until 5pm, so I'm going to FLY home and start it immediately! Prayers that someone who knows him is watching and he gets all his questions answered soon! :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, I forget it comes on earlier here. Thanks, LaWanda!

[lymom3]

Where is everyone?

At work :mad::mad: but I set the DVR to record it...will be in my viewing line up tonight!

[Cubby]

Not on here yet either, until 4 pm.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hey...I could be right! The Linguistics expert said he could be from parts of TX, OK, KS, Southern Missouri, IL, or IN! These are the areas she is concentrating on because of the way he pronounces certain words etc. I am excited!

10-15-2007, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Seriously Searching:

I believe he is either from Colorado or maybe even Oklahoma...because being from NE Oklahoma...I don't detect any accent at all. He sounds like one of us. LOL

His elbow surgery interests me. Does he recall playing any sports where he could have gotten the injury or developed an injury over time? Has he shown any "natural" abilities or a keen interest in any one sport?

I still want the answer about his elbow and the pins as to if they can find any numbers on them etc. Doesn't seem that has ever been really addressed.

[MCDRAW]

Even though I dislike Dr. Phil, I watched the show. I hope someone that knows him watched it too. He seems like a really nice guy. I was hoping WS would be mentioned.

[Straitfan]

I saw most of it. I pray they are able to locate his family.. I'm glad he got National attention, it is just so sad. Even if his past memory does not came back at least having family who could love him and fill in the blanks of his past would be good for him. God Bless you Benjaman and praying for answers soon :)

[believe09]

Even though I dislike Dr. Phil, I watched the show. I hope someone that knows him watched it too. He seems like a really nice guy. I was hoping WS would be mentioned.

Let me state here and now that you guys have done the most incredible work on this case-I applaud and appreciate you, small consolation as this is lol!

I couldn't even begin to count the hours devoted to the side by sides, the ruling in/out, legwork with LE on what wasn't even sent to him...letters on his behalf and simple caring.

[SeekingJana]

In listening to him talk, there is a strain in his natural voice. I can think of two causes.

One would be intubation with an endotracheal tube, especially on an emergency field basis as opposed to in- hospital during surgery.
The other would be direct trauma to his neck when he was beaten.

As I recall, he has 2 injuries which were not mentioned on Dr. Phil. He has spinal fusions and a plate in his right arm. So, he has had trauma at some point in his adult life which might explain the hoarseness, or what I consider to be the characteristic strain from a healed injury to the front of the neck.

I wonder why they didn't mention the two healed injuries? Maybe HIPAA laws or his choice, or maybe they didn't think it was important?
Because I think there is a chance that he was in an industrial accident of some sort and that his caregivers ( doctors, nurses, PT) might well recognize him.

[believe09]

Hey...I could be right! The Linguistics expert said he could be from parts of TX, OK, KS, Southern Missouri, IL, or IN! These are the areas she is concentrating on because of the way he pronounces certain words etc. I am excited!



I still want the answer about his elbow and the pins as to if they can find any numbers on them etc. Doesn't seem that has ever been really addressed.

No offense to you and the linguistics expert, lol, but those locations are not new. It is funny in a way the duplication of effort of the show, but they wanted to do it their own way I suspect.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, I don't understand after all the work done here why there wasn't at least a mention. I was rather disappointed, but I guess it doesn't matter and we have to remember that it is all about BK.

I hope someone calls in with legitimate leads.

Btw~ Dr. Phil mentioned they had contacted all of their affiliate stations across the nation (over 200) for help. There was no mention of it on our station so if he did contact them, they chose not to do anything...at least, not yet.

[SeriouslySearching]

No offense to you and the linguistics expert, lol, but those locations are not new. It is funny in a way the duplication of effort of the show, but they wanted to do it their own way I suspect.LOL But I predicted that back when we first saw this case. :P She verified it through professional testing which I didn't realize had been done before. Am I mistaken?

(I dropped out of this case after a considerable amount of time and effort, but I still try to keep up with it because I do care about what happens to BK and would like to see him find his way back home.)

[MidnightQ]

I can't find a single TV Station here in Denmark showing this episode of Dr. Phil... :banghead:

Could someone please give me a detailed update of the program? Please...:)

[Marina2]

I live about 45 minutes from Savannah, I've never heard of Mr. Kyle until I saw Chicoliving's announcement...
I had chill bumps reading his story on SavannahNow...I am SO excited for him to get this opportunity to appear on Dr. Phil!
This may lead him to all the answers he's been looking for!:)

I live about an hour south of Savannah and I've never heard of Mr. Kyle either. I hope he finds his family. I wonder if the attack is what caused his amnesia or an event in his past.

[believe09]

I live about an hour south of Savannah and I've never heard of Mr. Kyle either. I hope he finds his family. I wonder if the attack is what caused his amnesia or an event in his past.

There in lies the question Marina-did you know that he cannot even get access to his medical records at the hospital to get scan results etc...because they are demanding over 800.00 to copy them? I am hoping the show shames them into a different position.

[SeriouslySearching]

Dr. Phil said they were going to set him up with various avenues of help in his area. Maybe this will be addressed when they realize he has not had access to his own medical records.

[MCDRAW]

There in lies the question Marina-did you know that he cannot even get access to his medical records at the hospital to get scan results etc...because they are demanding over 800.00 to copy them? I am hoping the show shames them into a different position.



I thought everyone had free acsess to their own medical records. See what I know.:waitasec:

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't find a single TV Station here in Denmark showing this episode of Dr. Phil... :banghead:

Could someone please give me a detailed update of the program? Please...:)I am not ignoring you. :blowkiss: I just can't go into detail right now is all.

[MidnightQ]

I am not ignoring you. :blowkiss: I just can't go into detail right now is all.

Thank you.

No rush - since it's past midnight in Denmark - I really need to go to bed now :)

[Marina2]

There in lies the question Marina-did you know that he cannot even get access to his medical records at the hospital to get scan results etc...because they are demanding over 800.00 to copy them? I am hoping the show shames them into a different position.

No, I didn't know that. I just started reading this while watching the Phil show. It will take awhile to get caught up. I just can't believe I never heard of him until I found websleuths..I go to Savannah at least once a month. Can he go to the hospital and just look at his records without taking copies...his nurse friend could go with him and help interpret results etc.? I know the attack could have been the traumatic event that led to amnesia but it could also have been what led him to Savannah in the first place...something in his past. I have so many questions. The Social Security issue is sad. Poor man.

[believe09]

No, I didn't know that. I just started reading this while watching the Phil show. It will take awhile to get caught up. I just can't believe I never heard of him until I found websleuths..I go to Savannah at least once a month. Can he go to the hospital and just look at his records without taking copies...his nurse friend could go with him and help interpret results etc.? I know the attack could have been the traumatic event that led to amnesia but it could also have been what led him to Savannah in the first place...something in his past. I have so many questions. The Social Security issue is sad. Poor man.

You are very intuitive-yup he can do that. I don't know how hard it would be to read about how not only was he beaten and robbed, but those who were caring for him thought he was a bum who probably got rolled...so to my knowledge there were no dumpster searches done for his belongings, and the hotels around the area were not checked for disappearing guests until many years later when there was no way to determine if he had been a businessman in town. Even stolen and abandoned cars are auctioned every six months, so there was no way to try and get a list of cars that were found stripped or just parked somewhere. I checked that one myself, lol.

Once his labs came back as pristine, showing absolutely NO alcohol or drug abuse did the light start to dawn that he was probably not the average homeless dude found naked behind a BK...:rolleyes:

[Cubby]

I'm so glad he is getting this national exposure. I thought the show was interesting. Not quite the angle I had expected, but interesting. Believe, now that the show has been aired will we have access to any additional behind the scenes information which we may not have been privy to earlier? Such as the diocese/possible area in Indianapolis they have 'narrowed'.

I found it interesting the show mentioned little on his memories of Colorado and that he seemed pretty 'certain' he shared a birth date with Michael Jackson but was exactly 10 years older than him to the day.

I pray they get some legitimate leads and they additional assistance offered pans out. Will we be privy to what that might be? Just curious.

It was also interesting to put a face to NB.

[Cymro]

The show doesn't go out here until 7 p.m. EST so I haven't seen it, but I can't believe that for the sake of $800 the show didn't pay up to get those medical records released if they could have contained identifying information, e.g., the serial number of his medical implant (or perhaps they explored that avenue using their own searches, I don't know).

[OkGrace]

I recalled him mentioning a birthdate on the show that he said he just "knew" (intuition) I wonder if it has been ran? I do not remember the date however I remember him stating the date was exactly 10 years to the date of Michael Jacksons birthday.

Anyone know?

Cubby we posted at the same time, sorry about duplication!

[Cymro]

The date would be 29 August 1948 (ten years before MJJ).

[believe09]

I'm so glad he is getting this national exposure. I thought the show was interesting. Not quite the angle I had expected, but interesting. Believe, now that the show has been aired will we have access to any additional behind the scenes information which we may not have been privy to earlier? Such as the diocese/possible area in Indianapolis they have 'narrowed'.

I found it interesting the show mentioned little on his memories of Colorado and that he seemed pretty 'certain' he shared a birth date with Michael Jackson but was exactly 10 years older than him to the day.

I pray they get some legitimate leads and they additional assistance offered pans out. Will we be privy to what that might be? Just curious.

It was also interesting to put a face to NB.


I flat out asked the FBI if we could help out with vetting leads....I figured it was worth putting out there.

The stuff around the show is a little different because there is a confidentiality agreement in place for 6 months after the contract is signed, IIRC.

[Cubby]

I flat out asked the FBI if we could help out with vetting leads....I figured it was worth putting out there.

The stuff around the show is a little different because there is a confidentiality agreement in place for 6 months after the contract is signed, IIRC.


Interesting. I hope if he is ID'D that won't be confidential, lol. ;)

Interesting comments on Dr. Phils column. A few that he resembles George Bush... I see no resemblence whatsover to our president. A few locals to the Indy area putting out some feelers - which is nice.

Hopefully they will do a follow up show.

[angelwngs]

He seems like a very nice man. I pray this exposure will bring him closer to people who love him and can fill in the blank pages in his past. I do wish Dr. Phil had placed more focus on him and talked less himself...There were often times that he opened his mouth to reply or add something and Dr. P or other guests over ran him and he was unable to say what he wished to say....

[Cubby]

I do wish Dr. Phil had placed more focus on him and talked less himself...There were often times that he opened his mouth to reply or add something and Dr. P or other guests over ran him and he was unable to say what he wished to say....

I agree. I noticed that too. Though, I think Dr. Phils show would have to be more focused on the amnesia than a missing persons investigation.

[Patty G]

I recorded Dr. Phil and if you want me to upload it here, I can do it at some point tomorrow. Just let me know.

[ArizonaGiGi]

From watching him on the show, when he said that he went to Georgia to see the ocean, I got the feeling that he was dealing with something very traumatic at the time he was beaten and left for dead. Perhaps he had a wife or child die and that's why no one has missed him? It seems like there would be other family members that would report him missing but perhaps he got divorced and became homeless afterwards and no one reported him missing because they suspect he is on the streets somewhere. He could have become depressed from a divorce or death in the family and ended up homeless as a result.

He is an educated man and seems like he would have had a white collar type job so he is not the stereotypical homeless person but not all of the homeless are alcoholics and drug addicts.

I agree Phil did too much talking and not enough listening. We could have learned more from Benjaman . But I guess it's Phil's show and at least Benjaman was on there - hopefully it will find the answers to who he really is.

__________________

[believe09]

I recorded Dr. Phil and if you want me to upload it here, I can do it at some point tomorrow. Just let me know.


I LOVE YOU....really, lol.

[Macushla]

I had never heard of Benjaman until I saw the notice at the top of the forum, and of course I made sure I watched Dr. Phil today. What an incredible story. The Social Security aspect made me furious - surely there is a Senator or Congressperson from Georgia who would be willing to go to bat for him? I skimmed this thread and saw something about confidentiality - I hope that would not stop someone from posting to his forum if he is identified???

I am trying to imagine how he feels about the fact that, as stated on the show, there might be some traumatic event that triggered the amnesia. How frightened he must be at some level, with the thought of what that traumatic event might be. Not having a mustache any more really changed the way he looks - at least to me - have pix been put up somewhere without the mustache?

I will keep Benjaman in my heart and in my thoughts and hope that he does find answers to his past - and that those answers will not harm him in any way.

Thank you WS for putting the info on the show up there and letting me know about it. Now I want to go back and read all the threads about him.

[believe09]

From watching him on the show, when he said that he went to Georgia to see the ocean, I got the feeling that he was dealing with something very traumatic at the time he was beaten and left for dead. Perhaps he had a wife or child die and that's why no one has missed him? It seems like there would be other family members that would report him missing but perhaps he got divorced and became homeless afterwards and no one reported him missing because they suspect he is on the streets somewhere. He could have become depressed from a divorce or death in the family and ended up homeless as a result.

He is an educated man and seems like he would have had a white collar type job so he is not the stereotypical homeless person but not all of the homeless are alcoholics and drug addicts.

I agree Phil did too much talking and not enough listening. We could have learned more from Benjaman . But I guess it's Phil's show and at least Benjaman was on there - hopefully it will find the answers to who he really is.

__________________

Oh man-as overwhelming as it would be, I wish you all could speak with him...the things he knows about he knows. If you start him on restaurants, he is like a savant-building construction, food, cleanliness of the bathroom (a nod to you BK) it is something else.

[Salem]

I recorded Dr. Phil and if you want me to upload it here, I can do it at some point tomorrow. Just let me know.

Patty - I would be ever so grateful if you would :blowkiss:

Salem

[Patty G]

Patty - I would be ever so grateful if you would :blowkiss:

Salem

I will work on it tonight and upload it in the morning as I am uploading NG videos at the moment. :)

[SieSie]

I recorded Dr. Phil and if you want me to upload it here, I can do it at some point tomorrow. Just let me know.
I missed it today and was soooo upset when I remembered around 8 o'clock tonight! :doh: I'd watch it this weekend if you get a chance to upload it. I'd appreciate it. :blowkiss:

[Straitfan]

I wasnt crazy about Dr Phil's approach either, he kept asking the other guest her advise for BK, well her situation is totally different she has her family to fill in the blanks, pix of her past, etc he doesn't.. Wish he would have spent more time focusing on BK :(

[Fairy1]

Ok - Let me start by saying that I am NOT a fan of Dr. Phil - AT ALL! I taped this show today and watched it when I got home from work and it is honestly the first, (and probably last!) entire Dr. Phil show I have ever seen!

That being said - I thought it was awesome for Benjaman! I am very pleased with the information he was able to share and I'm especially happy that they took extra steps to add real credibility to amnesia generally. I think a lot of folks are really skeptical about it and they put a real, human and believable face to it. I don't think anyone could come away from this show without feeling real sympathy for Benjaman and hopefully with a determination to help him find out who he is and where he belongs.

It was so exciting to actually see this lovely gentleman and I am so hopeful that, within the next 24 - 48 hours, believe09 will let us know that credible tips are pouring in! I hope that by this time next week, Benjaman will be well on his way home.

[snowme]

Count me among those who felt Benjaman should have been allowed to speak more - to hear his voice, to see his mannerisms when he spoke, to speak on his intuitive memories to get the feel of where he feels he's been, what he may have once done, etc.

I also was disappointed that the past surgerical evidences weren't even mentioned. I have family members that I haven't seen in 20 years - I sincerely doubt I'd recognize them if they passed me on the street - but if they mentioned something that important (as a surgery) it would likely shake the senses into recognizing the face. Someone may have been watching that that info would have jarred them into recognizing Benjaman.

Those things aside, I am so happy he got the air time and pray it leads to a good result.

[Fairy1]

I will say, it would have been wonderful if WS had been given a shout out. There has been a such a tremendous amount of research on Benjaman's case here. Valuable, in-depth sleuthing that can be so useful to anyone interested in helping Benjaman. But, anyone sincerely wanting to help will, no doubt, find their way here. I'm just grateful for the exposure for Benjaman!

[Julessleuther]

A few comments about his guess at his birthdate...

1. He was found Aug 31st, 2004. If he thinks his birthdate is Aug 29th (Micheal Jacksons birthday), he may have been in the Savannah area to celebrate his birthday? He was found just a few days after.

2. I am going through the social security death index with the birthdate of August 29, 1948. I am currently looking under CO and IN as issue states. Perhaps he was declared dead and is listed there? I don't know what I am looking for, but I will let you know if I find anything interesting...


I'm so glad he is getting this national exposure. I thought the show was interesting. Not quite the angle I had expected, but interesting. Believe, now that the show has been aired will we have access to any additional behind the scenes information which we may not have been privy to earlier? Such as the diocese/possible area in Indianapolis they have 'narrowed'.

I found it interesting the show mentioned little on his memories of Colorado and that he seemed pretty 'certain' he shared a birth date with Michael Jackson but was exactly 10 years older than him to the day.

I pray they get some legitimate leads and they additional assistance offered pans out. Will we be privy to what that might be? Just curious.

It was also interesting to put a face to NB.

[Julessleuther]

This is O/T, but I have to say Patty...YOU ARE THE BOMB!! I have seen you here and on Caylees thread and various other places around here, and I am so impressed with how you joined websleuths, rolled up your sleeves and dove in. Thank you for all you do here!!:clap::blowkiss:
I recorded Dr. Phil and if you want me to upload it here, I can do it at some point tomorrow. Just let me know.

[Julessleuther]

:blowkiss: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:I LOVE YOU....really, lol.

[RKnowley]

I've been working on this angle most of this evening. I haven't found anything remotely interesting but who knows..it may lead somewhere.

A few comments about his guess at his birthdate...


2. I am going through the social security death index with the birthdate of August 29, 1948. I am currently looking under CO and IN as issue states. Perhaps he was declared dead and is listed there? I don't know what I am looking for, but I will let you know if I find anything interesting...

[snowme]

Oh good thinking with the birthdate Julessleuther! If not his birthdate, perhaps the date stands out to him for some other similar reason. Someone elses birthdate and he had celebrated with them just prior to the incident that lead us to know him.

[Julessleuther]

Ok! Great minds think alike, right? :clap:;) I've been working on this angle most of this evening. I haven't found anything remotely interesting but who knows..it may lead somewhere.

[Julessleuther]

RK:

There is a RB Dorland from Indiana, with a death date of Oct 11th, 2003. His last residence is listed as FO. Do you know what that means?

Also, if someone were declared dead, what would their death date be? The last date they were seen?

Believe, I have a question for you: Since you have talked to him, has he ever mentioned any memories of being in the military? He is of the age that he could have been drafted for Vietnam. Is there any chance at all that he could have been declared dead in Vietnam, but came home and drifted for all those years? Maybe that is why his family is not looking for him, because they think that their son/husband etc died in Vietnam?

[Julessleuther]

If the Vietnam idea is at all viable, here are some links to MIA/POW for both Indiana and Colorado. Just click on the unaccounted for PDF's for each state.

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/pmsea/HTML/HTML/files_full.htm#usaf


Ok, one thing I found. There is a Charles R Brownlee listed MIA from Alamosa, CO. When I looked for him for ssdi, there was none listed for CO, but there was one listed from Indiana, with a death date of Nov 18, 2003. It may be absolutely nothing, but was interesting...

[Julessleuther]

Ok, more info:

I also found a Benjamin Kyle born Jan 1979 and died Dec 1983. Ohio A son???

There were definitely Kyle relatives in Indiana. There is actually a Clifford Kyle with the birthdate of August 28, 1913, and died in Aug 1970. Perhaps his father?

There are also Kyles in the Denver area too.


There is also a Marion Benjamin who was from Florida, born AUG 28, 1940 but died in SAVANNAH, GA in July 2000 -VERY interesting...

EDIT: Marion Benjamin was married to a man named Oscar Benjamin, and they were divorced in Florida. I do not have an ancestry.com account, so I do not know when they married and divorced, but this is the same Marion Benjamin who died in Savannah.

Here is her obit, no mention of Oscar:

Marion D. BenjaminMarion De
Lois Benjamin, 59, of Savannah, died July 9.
She was born in Jacksonville, Fla., and was a disabled Army veteran.
SURVIVORS: two sisters, Mildred Littles and Elma Philips, both of Warner Robins; two aunts, Roberta Rawls of Rochelle and Ruthie Mae Williams of Warner Robins; an uncle, Mathis Rawls of Rochelle; and a niece, Janine Littles of Savannah.
MEMORIAL SERVICE: 1 p.m. Saturday at Piney Grove Baptist Church, Rochelle. McCullough Funeral Home, Warner Robins.


There is a listing on zabasearch for a Kyle Benjamin for Bloomington, IN. There is a listing for Bryan Kyle in Denver.

[believe09]

I've been working on this angle most of this evening. I haven't found anything remotely interesting but who knows..it may lead somewhere.


Perfect-please let us know anything-consider that it might be the birthdate of a loved one or someone who was close to BK as well...

[believe09]

RK:

There is a RB Dorland from Indiana, with a death date of Oct 11th, 2003. His last residence is listed as FO. Do you know what that means?

Also, if someone were declared dead, what would their death date be? The last date they were seen?

Believe, I have a question for you: Since you have talked to him, has he ever mentioned any memories of being in the military? He is of the age that he could have been drafted for Vietnam. Is there any chance at all that he could have been declared dead in Vietnam, but came home and drifted for all those years? Maybe that is why his family is not looking for him, because they think that their son/husband etc died in Vietnam?

Excellent question-he has many varied memories of his past...profound events and mundane. The military has never ever been a part of it, I have to say.

He remembers presidents and administrations, world events, corporate mergers-he has been hypnotized and regressed during the last few years.

For those who may be reading as a result of the show, psychics have been involved in his case and I will spare you my very harsh opinion of how it went. I would have had less problem with it if it were not for the shocking cost of each reading....

[MissieMt]

Excellent question-he has many varied memories of his past...profound events and mundane. The military has never ever been a part of it, I have to say.

He remembers presidents and administrations, world events, corporate mergers-he has been hypnotized and regressed during the last few years.

For those who may be reading as a result of the show, psychics have been involved in his case and I will spare you my very harsh opinion of how it went. I would have had less problem with it if it were not for the shocking cost of each reading....

(My bold)

That is just infuriating!!!! I am still praying that Benjaman hears something soon. He looked so nervoues on the show, imo. I can't even begin to imagine what he must be feeling.

[Patty G]

October 16, 2008
Dr. Phil Show

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJLHHKiVF4
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsy1LTJXAQ
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqEX0vkmS0s
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1OMUewdKY
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXdIh9s7WlU
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__wAbFKSno
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJpcHzEpt0

[believe09]

October 16, 2008
Dr. Phil Show

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJLHHKiVF4
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsy1LTJXAQ
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqEX0vkmS0s
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1OMUewdKY
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXdIh9s7WlU
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__wAbFKSno
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJpcHzEpt0

You are a goddess...no lie!

[cacnotcam]

Excellent question-he has many varied memories of his past...profound events and mundane. The military has never ever been a part of it, I have to say.

He remembers presidents and administrations, world events, corporate mergers-he has been hypnotized and regressed during the last few years.

For those who may be reading as a result of the show, psychics have been involved in his case and I will spare you my very harsh opinion of how it went. I would have had less problem with it if it were not for the shocking cost of each reading....

Oh man...That's awful!!! Poor guy!! I feel really bad for him and to have people just take advantage of him like that is just beyond words! :furious:

[passionategray]

What about researching the birth dates for specific people on our list that we haven't ruled out? And possibly even place of birth if that's accessible online...

[Julessleuther]

Can you give an example of some of those memories--maybe it is posted here and I missed it? Which presidents does he remember, which corporate mergers? They all may be clues. If he remembers a certain president, maybe he voted for that person, and thus was a registered voter of that party; if he remembers corporate mergers, maybe it is because it affected him personally, in that he or a family member worked for the company... Does this question need to be moved over to the memories thread?

EDIT: I am sorry, nevermind. I am watching Pattys videos and getting the information.


Excellent question-he has many varied memories of his past...profound events and mundane. The military has never ever been a part of it, I have to say.

He remembers presidents and administrations, world events, corporate mergers-he has been hypnotized and regressed during the last few years.

For those who may be reading as a result of the show, psychics have been involved in his case and I will spare you my very harsh opinion of how it went. I would have had less problem with it if it were not for the shocking cost of each reading....

[dreamweaver]

Benjamin Kyle:
I first noticed his story here a couple of days ago. I saw that he was to be on Dr Phill show.
SSN:
1. He CAN get a new ssn. There has to be very unusual circumstances, documented by LE or an approved agency.
I worked for a human services agency for over 20 years.
I knew of 2 instances where the person was able to get a new ssn.
1. a woman who was in a severe domestic abuse situation. The abuser was a computer genius. She had all this documented.
2. a man expartriated from Africa. Salvation Army helped him.
He must talk to a SSA mangement person. Perhaps the congressman's office can help him. Or perphaps he needs a very good lawyer.
Maybe there are lawyers who would donate their time. Or maybe Dr Phil's show would pay for it?
Maybe Dr Phil's show would pay the $800.00 cost of his medical records?
DNA: kinship dna: If it legal, his dna could be run through different agencenies to check on any kinship markers.
FINGERPRINTS:
check, police, state employees, school districts, military, fbi, dmv offices before 2004, to run his fingerprints.
I think I remember in the JonBenet R case, the retired policeman who came into case later, said that there are lots of different fingerprint data bases.

You would think someone might recognize him now, with the national exposure of Dr Phil's show. He had to have classmates, family, friends, co workers, acquaintances.
He had several surgical scars. Maybe there is a doctor out there who will recognize him or the description of his scars.
MYSPACE; someone could help set up a myspace page for him.
I would do it, if I could get permission from him.

Hope he is identified soon.

[cacnotcam]

Benjamin Kyle:
I first noticed his story here a couple of days ago. I saw that he was to be on Dr Phill show.
SSN:
1. He CAN get a new ssn. There has to be very unusual circumstances, documented by LE or an approved agency.
I worked for a human services agency for over 20 years.
I knew of 2 instances where the person was able to get a new ssn.
1. a woman who was in a severe domestic abuse situation. The abuser was a computer genius. She had all this documented.
2. a man expartriated from Africa. Salvation Army helped him.
He must talk to a SSA mangement person. Perhaps the congressman's office can help him. Or perphaps he needs a very good lawyer.
Maybe there are lawyers who would donate their time. Or maybe Dr Phil's show would pay for it?
Maybe Dr Phil's show would pay the $800.00 cost of his medical records?
DNA: kinship dna: If it legal, his dna could be run through different agencenies to check on any kinship markers.
FINGERPRINTS:
check, police, state employees, school districts, military, fbi, dmv offices before 2004, to run his fingerprints.
I think I remember in the JonBenet R case, the retired policeman who came into case later, said that there are lots of different fingerprint data bases.

You would think someone might recognize him now, with the national exposure of Dr Phil's show. He had to have classmates, family, friends, co workers, acquaintances.
He had several surgical scars. Maybe there is a doctor out there who will recognize him or the description of his scars.
MYSPACE; someone could help set up a myspace page for him.
I would do it, if I could get permission from him.

Hope he is identified soon.

I think he may have a Myspace page. I believe that I have seen it at some point. That is how I first heard of him in the first place IIRC.

[dreamweaver]

I went online and searched Savannah, Ga, Aug. 27, 2007.
I chose the 27th because it was the day before he was found.
There were MANY conferences listed, as well as, family reunions, weddings, golf tournaments, several scientific conferences, fishing trip, a reunion of former vets, including ones from Vietnam era, and so many more. There was an obituary notice for that date, which led me to think, maybe he came to town for a funeral, a wedding, birth of a grandchild, a business conference. Maybe he came into town for a medical procdure?
Are there well known hospitals in the area?

Did LE check rental cars that were turned in by leaving the car in the lot?
Or a rental car that the agency had to track down?
What about a car that might have been his? Did LE check all abandoned cars, did they check towing companies, did they check wrecker yards?
Any 911 tapes that maybe someone called and hung up? I know they call back now to check on the person, but did they in 2004 in Savannah or Richmond?

Did LE check security tapes from Burger King? Security tapes from nearby businesses, in a 12 block radius?

Did LE or the hospital check Benjamin K for any trace evidence? Carpet fibers, scrapings under his nails, hair combed through, any metal particles?
Did LE or the hospital measure the 3 depressions on the right side of his head to determine if they could match the size to a kind of weapon?
Or was he treated like a homeless person and not much attention was paid to him?

Did LE check bars, nightclubs, alternative lifestyle bars, escort services?
I don't know that BK drank, but I wonder if there were any fights reported
to LE by any of these places?

It will be great once we know and he knows who he is and what happened to him.

[dreamweaver]

I think he may have a Myspace page. I believe that I have seen it at some point. That is how I first heard of him in the first place IIRC.

-------------------------
I tried to find his myspace page. I had created one for a family friend who was murdered and thought I would check Benjamin K's out.
I will search again. Do you have a link?
Thank you.

[Voice4theSilent]

Benjamin Kyle:
I first noticed his story here a couple of days ago. I saw that he was to be on Dr Phill show.
SSN:
1. He CAN get a new ssn. There has to be very unusual circumstances, documented by LE or an approved agency.
I worked for a human services agency for over 20 years.
I knew of 2 instances where the person was able to get a new ssn.
1. a woman who was in a severe domestic abuse situation. The abuser was a computer genius. She had all this documented.
2. a man expartriated from Africa. Salvation Army helped him.
He must talk to a SSA mangement person. Perhaps the congressman's office can help him. Or perphaps he needs a very good lawyer.
Maybe there are lawyers who would donate their time. Or maybe Dr Phil's show would pay for it?


While it is true you can get a new SS#, the new # must be linked to the old...which is why BK is probably running into roadblocks on that. (Anyone who has a verifiable identity theft of their SS# can get a new SS# because they have knowledge of what their old SS# was...which I think is also the case of both of your examples.)

[dreamweaver]

While it is true you can get a new SS#, the new # must be linked to the old...which is why BK is probably running into roadblocks on that. (Anyone who has a verifiable identity theft of their SS# can get a new SS# because they have knowledge of what their old SS# was...which I think is also the case of both of your examples.)

____________________________________
Of course, I should have thought of that. Thank you.
I do think with all his documented case and publicity of late, that the congressman may be able to help make an exception.
I hope so.

[Voice4theSilent]

When watching the show yesterday I thought I saw a little bit of an interview either going to a commercial or coming back from one in which someone stated that if BK had been left at the dumpster the day before that he would have been spotted a day earlier so therefor he was only there for a short amount of time. IIRC he was covered in bites and was sunburned badly? Can anyone point me in the right direction to get more information on that? Was he burned over all of his body or just on the side of his body exposed to the sun when he was lying there unconscious? Were the bites from being next to the dumpster? Were his injuries to his eyes caused by being left by the dumpster? Does anyone know if (LE, FBI, paramedics, etc.) have that information? Does BK have access to all the LE/medical reports from when he was found by the dumpster?

[Voice4theSilent]

____________________________________
Of course, I should have thought of that. Thank you.
I do think with all his documented case and publicity of late, that the congressman may be able to help make an exception.
I hope so.


Me, too! I can't understand why it would be such a problem for him to obtain a new ss# to get a job and contribute to society!!

[cacnotcam]

When watching the show yesterday I thought I saw a little bit of an interview either going to a commercial or coming back from one in which someone stated that if BK had been left at the dumpster the day before that he would have been spotted a day earlier so therefor he was only there for a short amount of time. IIRC he was covered in bites and was sunburned badly? Can anyone point me in the right direction to get more information on that? Was he burned over all of his body or just on the side of his body exposed to the sun when he was lying there unconscious? Were the bites from being next to the dumpster? Were his injuries to his eyes caused by being left by the dumpster? Does anyone know if (LE, FBI, paramedics, etc.) have that information? Does BK have access to all the LE/medical reports from when he was found by the dumpster?

Not sure but they implied that his severe cataracts could have been caused by him laying out in the sun unconscious for a long period of time. Not sure where I read that though.

[cacnotcam]

Me, too! I can't understand why it would be such a problem for him to obtain a new ss# to get a job and contribute to society!!

Yeah, you would think that they would make an exception for him, as they do with others. Maybe they are thinking that he will find his identity and then there will be a whole slew of problems with him having two SS numbers? Either way, I say give him one!

[believe09]

I went online and searched Savannah, Ga, Aug. 27, 2007.
I chose the 27th because it was the day before he was found.
There were MANY conferences listed, as well as, family reunions, weddings, golf tournaments, several scientific conferences, fishing trip, a reunion of former vets, including ones from Vietnam era, and so many more. There was an obituary notice for that date, which led me to think, maybe he came to town for a funeral, a wedding, birth of a grandchild, a business conference. Maybe he came into town for a medical procdure?
Are there well known hospitals in the area?

Did LE check rental cars that were turned in by leaving the car in the lot?
Or a rental car that the agency had to track down?
What about a car that might have been his? Did LE check all abandoned cars, did they check towing companies, did they check wrecker yards?
Any 911 tapes that maybe someone called and hung up? I know they call back now to check on the person, but did they in 2004 in Savannah or Richmond?

Did LE check security tapes from Burger King? Security tapes from nearby businesses, in a 12 block radius?

Did LE or the hospital check Benjamin K for any trace evidence? Carpet fibers, scrapings under his nails, hair combed through, any metal particles?
Did LE or the hospital measure the 3 depressions on the right side of his head to determine if they could match the size to a kind of weapon?
Or was he treated like a homeless person and not much attention was paid to him?

Did LE check bars, nightclubs, alternative lifestyle bars, escort services?
I don't know that BK drank, but I wonder if there were any fights reported
to LE by any of these places?

It will be great once we know and he knows who he is and what happened to him.

I am going to be honest with you-two rookie cops responded to Benjaman's location, and did nothing because they decided that he was a bum who had been rolled.

No investigation. Nothing. Rental car companies do not keep info on missing rental cars available to the public for the time frame we were looking. The hotels do not report missing guests typically because it counts as a police report against the hotel chain.

BK's labs were CLEAN-no drugs, no alcohol. Nada.

Everyone was quite surprised when he actually started coming around and talking. He had blinding cataracts and the cost of removal was DONATED by physicians. Then when he saw himself, he had no idea who he was looking at for the most part. Some older guy. Because he had lost 20 years at that point....

There was NOTHING done to discover his ID by the police at the time of the assault.

He was floundering, trapped at a rehab facility when Katherine came upon him and now she keeps an eye on this otherwise very smart, very capable man.

[believe09]

Yeah, you would think that they would make an exception for him, as they do with others. Maybe they are thinking that he will find his identity and then there will be a whole slew of problems with him having two SS numbers? Either way, I say give him one!

I say run with this thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to find someone who will sponsor him to get some ID-I mean whose to say when he discovers who he is he may not want to stay Benjaman because that is who he is right now???

[cacnotcam]

I am going to be honest with you-two rookie cops responded to Benjaman's location, and did nothing because they decided that he was a bum who had been rolled.

No investigation. Nothing. Rental car companies do not keep info on missing rental cars available to the public for the time frame we were looking. The hotels do not report missing guests typically because it counts as a police report against the hotel chain.

BK's labs were CLEAN-no drugs, no alcohol. Nada.

Everyone was quite surprised when he actually started coming around and talking. He had blinding cataracts and the cost of removal was DONATED by physicians. Then when he saw himself, he had no idea who he was looking at for the most part. Some older guy. Because he had lost 20 years at that point....

There was NOTHING done to discover his ID by the police at the time of the assault.

He was floundering, trapped at a rehab facility when Katherine came upon him and now she keeps an eye on this otherwise very smart, very capable man.

I know....That is so sad. If they had actually done a proper investigation, they mave have discovered clothing, heck maybe even a wallet somewhere around the scene. I mean he was by a dumpster. God knows what the person resonsible for his attack did with his things. Imagine if the key to his identity was RIGHT there and no one bothered to look because they thought he was "just" a bum. :furious:

[cacnotcam]

I say run with this thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to find someone who will sponsor him to get some ID-I mean whose to say when he discovers who he is he may not want to stay Benjaman because that is who he is right now???

Oh yeah...Very true. Either way, the poor man needs to be able to do what he wants i.e. get a job and it is terrible that under the circumstances he has been told no when clearly it IS possible!

[dreamweaver]

I think his medical reports cost $800.00 and no one had come up with the money. Probably the cost to the hospital for copying all the record.
Still, maybe Dr Phil's show or the congressman can come up with the cash.
His ssn can probably be circumvented by his congressman. Maybe we should email the congressman?
..
So, there is no extensive LE report/case record?
I guess the EMT"s report would be with the hospital records?
Unless it was a private company, like some cities have?
Or the fire dept.?
Richmond, Ga fire dept. I will go search online.
Found myspace page. Will post it.

[SeekingJana]

I needed a few hours to process what I saw and heard on TV and separate it from how I feel about this case. The helper in me has always wanted to see him reunited with his family asap. Like yesterday. The realist in me says- whoa, something happened to cause him to have a mental break, and it wasn't even the beating behind Burger King, according to the experts who have interviewed him. ( Interview being the new word for therapy sessions).

The practical part: He said himself that he COULD get A SS# IF he declared himself to be an alien resident. IOW, an immigrant.
I can see why that would not be helpful or desirable to him. The other thing is that he has mentioned physical impairments in the past. If these still exist ( and I believe they do), since there is no work record for him, he would not be able to collect any type of medical disability payments.
I guess we are talking about things like food stamps or something. I don't know a lot about what adults can collect from gov't assistance programs, but it seems to be a dismal way to live, anyway.
My feeling is that he truly wants HIS life back. His chosen profession, his home, loved ones, etc. We all strive for a life with roots and meaning. He thinks he was just an ordinary guy, living an ordinary life.

I noticed that he gave no indication of whether he thought he had been married or had children. He mentioned parents taking him to the fair as a child. He had memories of himself and the world around him as a child and young person, but nothing about his personal life as an adult.. These are classic signs of emotional repression and suppression. If they aren't very careful with the memory recovery program Dr. Phil is putting him into ( very generous of him to offer this), Benjaman may well slip into a fugue state if his memories are not recovered with extreme emotional preparedness.

Another thing that bothers me is this: We have no idea, really, but the experts who have examined Benjaman say that his memory loss is not caused from brain injury or trauma, that his brain is fine, that it is psychological repression or suppression. I was surprised to learn that they do not even think it was the trauma from the beating!!

It bothers me that he may walk right back into whatever caused the mental trauma that blocked his memory flow, and not be prepared for what he finds.
He needs a very good support system in place, like a returning combat veteran needs, IF his former identity can be recovered and he does go back to where he was in life as best as possible.
Like people who search for birth parents and their heritage, this man must be able to accept whatever he finds out about himself, his circumstances and the people he loved before he showed up in Savannah behind a dumpster.

I think he is strong, but I also see a vulnerability in him which is quite endearing, but also may cause hurt if he doesn't have true friends standing with him throughout his journey.

I wish him the absolute best- a happy reunion, a career he can resume, long term help to regain all of his memories and the emotions associated with the memories, and loving arms to surround him so that he's never truly alone again.

Maria

[cacnotcam]

I think his medical reports cost $800.00 and no one had come up with the money. Probably the cost to the hospital for copying all the record.
Still, maybe Dr Phil's show or the congressman can come up with the cash.
His ssn can probably be circumvented by his congressman. Maybe we should email the congressman?
..
So, there is no extensive LE report/case record?
I guess the EMT"s report would be with the hospital records?
Unless it was a private company, like some cities have?
Or the fire dept.?
Richmond, Ga fire dept. I will go search online.
Found myspace page. Will post it.

Yeah I say that emailing the congressman couldn't hurt. But hopefully after being on Dr. Phil, someone will maybe offer to cover the $800 fee for him, or maybe even Dr. Phil will. He seems (love him or hate him) to be pretty good to his guests and that includes follow-up care.

[cacnotcam]

I needed a few hours to process what I saw and heard on TV and separate it from how I feel about this case. The helper in me has always wanted to see him reunited with his family asap. Like yesterday. The realist in me says- whoa, something happened to cause him to have a mental break, and it wasn't even the beating behind Burger King, according to the experts who have interviewed him. ( Interview being the new word for therapy sessions).

The practical part: He said himself that he COULD get A SS# IF he declared himself to be an alien resident. IOW, an immigrant.
I can see why that would not be helpful or desirable to him. The other thing is that he has mentioned physical impairments in the past. If these still exist ( and I believe they do), since there is no work record for him, he would not be able to collect any type of medical disability payments.
I guess we are talking about things like food stamps or something. I don't know a lot about what adults can collect from gov't assistance programs, but it seems to be a dismal way to live, anyway.
My feeling is that he truly wants HIS life back. His chosen profession, his home, loved ones, etc. We all strive for a life with roots and meaning. He thinks he was just an ordinary guy, living an ordinary life.

I noticed that he gave no indication of whether he thought he had been married or had children. He mentioned parents taking him to the fair as a child. He had memories of himself and the world around him as a child and young person, but nothing about his personal life as an adult.. These are classic signs of emotional repression and suppression. If they aren't very careful with the memory recovery program Dr. Phil is putting him into ( very generous of him to offer this), Benjaman may well slip into a fugue state if his memories are not recovered with extreme emotional preparedness.

Another thing that bothers me is this: We have no idea, really, but the experts who have examined Benjaman say that his memory loss is not caused from brain injury or trauma, that his brain is fine, that it is psychological repression or suppression. I was surprised to learn that they do not even think it was the trauma from the beating!!

It bothers me that he may walk right back into whatever caused the mental trauma that blocked his memory flow, and not be prepared for what he finds.
He needs a very good support system in place, like a returning combat veteran needs, IF his former identity can be recovered and he does go back to where he was in life as best as possible.
Like people who search for birth parents and their heritage, this man must be able to accept whatever he finds out about himself, his circumstances and the people he loved before he showed up in Savannah behind a dumpster.

I think he is strong, but I also see a vulnerability in him which is quite endearing, but also may cause hurt if he doesn't have true friends standing with him throughout his journey.

I wish him the absolute best- a happy reunion, a career he can resume, long term help to regain all of his memories and the emotions associated with the memories, and loving arms to surround him so that he's never truly alone again.

Maria

I agree with EVERYTHING that you just said! Very well put and I certainly hope that he does not crumble when he does (and I have faith that he will) discover what really happened.

[Julessleuther]

Believe, I understand what you are saying, but I worked in corporate travel mgmt for 14 yrs---the company I did travel for would receive bills 1-2 yrs down the road for damage that their employees did to the autos. The car rental companies DO keep records of those things, as well as traffic tickets issued on a car when in a renters possession etc. I know from personal experience, with a biz trip I took 12 yrs ago, and had an accident while in a rental car, that they keep those records for many years. Since this is only four yrs ago, it IS possible that we could get some kind of info. As far as hotels, perhaps they do not want to do a police report, but if we searched hotels in the general area and sent them a letter or something, we could ask if they have ANY unclaimed property etc for the last few years. It might be possible to find something. BK said he thought he was going to the coast, so maybe he was at a hotel closer to the water? Maybe he DID rent a car in Savannah or Atlanta etc. There has to be something! I have been reading here that people even within the Savannah area are only hearing about this now, so perhaps many more people have also not heard of this, so therefore do not know to come forward. Is there any indication that he has been hit by a car or was in an auto accident? Thanks for all the info you are giving us!



I am going to be honest with you-two rookie cops responded to Benjaman's location, and did nothing because they decided that he was a bum who had been rolled.

No investigation. Nothing. Rental car companies do not keep info on missing rental cars available to the public for the time frame we were looking. The hotels do not report missing guests typically because it counts as a police report against the hotel chain.

BK's labs were CLEAN-no drugs, no alcohol. Nada.

Everyone was quite surprised when he actually started coming around and talking. He had blinding cataracts and the cost of removal was DONATED by physicians. Then when he saw himself, he had no idea who he was looking at for the most part. Some older guy. Because he had lost 20 years at that point....

There was NOTHING done to discover his ID by the police at the time of the assault.

He was floundering, trapped at a rehab facility when Katherine came upon him and now she keeps an eye on this otherwise very smart, very capable man.

[MidnightQ]

Thank you very much for uploading :)

October 16, 2008
Dr. Phil Show

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJLHHKiVF4
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsy1LTJXAQ
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqEX0vkmS0s
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1OMUewdKY
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXdIh9s7WlU
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__wAbFKSno
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJpcHzEpt0

[angelwngs]

If he had blinding cataracts, most likely he would not have been driving. Instead, at the time he was found, he was probably legally blind and wouldn't have been able to have passed the eye test on a driver's test.

Having severe cataracts also, pretty much rules out him obtaining any large settlement for prior his injuries or he would most likely have already had the cataract surgery and paid for it himself if he had the money.

[Patty G]

I say run with this thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to find someone who will sponsor him to get some ID-I mean whose to say when he discovers who he is he may not want to stay Benjaman because that is who he is right now???

Somehow either SS or the IRS should be able to do a search based on last reported wages to SS and last taxes filed and try and cross check them to see if something stands out.

Since Benjamin was found late August 2004, he never filed a tax return in 2005. Somewhere within the IRS there are red lights flashing concerning Benjamin.

I noticed he had very nice teeth, and maybe if they sent xrays to the local dentists within Indianapolis, perhaps someone would have records on him.

There has to be slew of mail being returned to the post office. Normally, when no one picks up the mail, the post office would or could sent the police to the house for a welfare check.

I wish Dr. Phil would have asked if Benjamin felt like he was married or felt as if he had children.

I felt so sad watching Benjamin especially when the other woman was telling Benjamin to create memories and how she lost 19 years of her life.

There was no comparison at all between Holly and Benjamin, because Holly has a family, her roots are there and although she lost the first 19 years of her life, Benjamin lost the first 60 years of his life, all his social security benefits and so much more then Holly.

I will look for people in Indianapolis via my myspace page and send them Benjamin's info and see if they are willing to send it off to their friends and their friends and so on.

I put info on Benjamin in my blog so should people within Indianpolis etc., see it, maybe we might get a hit. I also hope that people searching for Dr. Phil Show spots the you-tube of Dr. Phil's Show.

Again, I feel the IRS might be the way to go, but how to get them to do it, will be very difficult.

[angelwngs]

Somehow either SS or the IRS should be able to do a search based on last reported wages to SS and last taxes filed and try and cross check them to see if something stands out.

Since Benjamin was found late August 2004, he never filed a tax return in 2005. Somewhere within the IRS there are red lights flashing concerning Benjamin.

I noticed he had very nice teeth, and maybe if they sent xrays to the local dentists within Indianapolis, perhaps someone would have records on him.

There has to be slew of mail being returned to the post office. Normally, when no one picks up the mail, the post office would or could sent the police to the house for a welfare check.

I wish Dr. Phil would have asked if Benjamin felt like he was married or felt as if he had children.

I felt so sad watching Benjamin especially when the other woman was telling Benjamin to create memories and how she lost 19 years of her life.

There was no comparison at all between Holly and Benjamin, because Holly has a family, her roots are there and although she lost the first 19 years of her life, Benjamin lost the first 60 years of his life, all his social security benefits and so much more then Holly.

I will look for people in Indianapolis via my myspace page and send them Benjamin's info and see if they are willing to send it off to their friends and their friends and so on.

I put info on Benjamin in my blog so should people within Indianpolis etc., see it, maybe we might get a hit. I also hope that people searching for Dr. Phil Show spots the you-tube of Dr. Phil's Show.

Again, I feel the IRS might be the way to go, but how to get them to do it, will be very difficult.


That is exactly what my husband said to me as we watched the program. Having Holly share the spotlight much less, offer any suggestions to BK was beyond insensitive, IMO.

Has someone created a My Space and a You Tube Video for BK??? If only we could get one small blurb about BK on AMW, NG, Greta, GMA, The Today Show and all the entertainment evening shows.

Afterall, not everybody watches Dr. P.........

[snowme]

eek, I don't dare ask the cost but I sure hope it didn't total near the $800 figure the hospital wants for his medical records.

...snipped... I would have had less problem with it if it were not for the shocking cost of each reading....

[snowme]

angelwngs, I think it was said that his cataracts were due to overexposure having been lying in the sun for an extended period of time. I'm not sure where in this forum that info is but I'm sure I read it here somewhere.

If he had blinding cataracts, most likely he would not have been driving. Instead, at the time he was found, he was probably legally blind and wouldn't have been able to have passed the eye test on a driver's test.

Having severe cataracts also, pretty much rules out him obtaining any large settlement for prior his injuries or he would most likely have already had the cataract surgery and paid for it himself if he had the money.

[believe09]

eek, I don't dare ask the cost but I sure hope it didn't total near the $800 figure the hospital wants for his medical records.

I see where you are going?, :blowkiss:. The readings were done prior to the request for the records...Benjaman has no money of his own because he cannot legally work, so he relies on friends, family and complete strangers for sustenance. He is a pretty upright soul, and this has to burn even though he would not complain.

[believe09]

angelwngs, I think it was said that his cataracts were due to overexposure having been lying in the sun for an extended period of time. I'm not sure where in this forum that info is but I'm sure I read it here somewhere.

When I first hit the case, we were split 50/50 on whether or not the cataracts were related to lying with his eyes open after the assault. It would be extremely unusual to say the least.

IIRC, cataracts of that type are usually formed over time due to exposure to water and sunlight or perhaps snow reflection and sun light. They can be accelerated by alcohol or drug abuse. The last time BK and I had a discussion regarding this he indicated he had spoken to a physician who said it was possible for them to have formed quickly. Everyone we contacted in the medical field regarding this, and mind you they did not have him in front of him, did not believe it was possible.

My working theory has always been that he could not recognize himself because his field of vision had been closing down for years-so combined with the amnesia it created more confusion...this is just my opinion, mind you and I am not a medical professional.

[snowme]

Oh, that is an interesting idea. You may have something there!

(:bang:sorry for not going back and checking on the info I was attempting to spout, lol... I knew I had read the sun exposure thing but didn't realize it was not black & white fact.)

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My working theory has always been that he could not recognize himself because his field of vision had been closing down for years-so combined with the amnesia it created more confusion...this is just my opinion, mind you and I am not a medical professional.

[Boyz_Mum]

In the comments for the show, someone mentioned that they thought BK may be Jewish. Is there any thoughts out here on that perspective? (I ask because some of his features do resemble a Jewish relative I have.) This is not meant to be biased on my part, I am curious as to what others think.

[snowme]

You know, all things considered, I think it's pretty amazing that he recieved the cataract surgery at all. I hadn't thought about that much before but considering the brush off he was given early on with the police jumping to the conclusion he wasn't worth even a look in the dumpster for his clothing...

And just when I think I have a handle on thinking it all thru (what little "it all" is), I'm left scratching my head again. Pattyg's post above re: ss & the irs, etc... had me thinking a bit... and now I'm left with the screaming in my head "why isn't someone somewhere looking for this man?!" Whether it be the irs or a wife or a brother or a cousin or a boss or an employee or a child... I just have to think that someone somewhere has been looking and paths have been crossed but at the wrong times or something. Of course, they're probably not looking for "Benjaman Kyle". And along with others who've mentioned it here, I'm shocked that people in the area/state in which he was found are not more aware of his story but it does explain why others further from the area/state haven't been aware. And that is frustrating.

Eh, my head-scratching rant is over... I feel myself going in a circle already. :shrug:

[fmw63]

...Again, I feel the IRS might be the way to go, but how to get them to do it, will be very difficult.

I know someone who works for the IRS. Hopefully, I won't forget to ask her Sunday. :chicken:

[believe09]

I know someone who works for the IRS. Hopefully, I won't forget to ask her Sunday. :chicken:

:bow::bow::bow:

I hope it is a social engagement, FM!!! :blowkiss:

[passionategray]

When I first hit the case, we were split 50/50 on whether or not the cataracts were related to lying with his eyes open after the assault. It would be extremely unusual to say the least.

IIRC, cataracts of that type are usually formed over time due to exposure to water and sunlight or perhaps snow reflection and sun light. They can be accelerated by alcohol or drug abuse. The last time BK and I had a discussion regarding this he indicated he had spoken to a physician who said it was possible for them to have formed quickly. Everyone we contacted in the medical field regarding this, and mind you they did not have him in front of him, did not believe it was possible.

My working theory has always been that he could not recognize himself because his field of vision had been closing down for years-so combined with the amnesia it created more confusion...this is just my opinion, mind you and I am not a medical professional.

Wow, that definitely seems to make sense to me in a logical common-sense sort of way... if he had the cataracts for awhile of course he wouldn't realize how much he had aged. Because he was legally blind!

Great thought.

Maybe we do need to be looking for people who are listed with a disability.

[SeekingJana]

A person his age would not develop bilateral cataracts and not have them operated on. No one lives with cataracts in this day and time!! My DOG just had surgery for them and he's 11 years old!! My father, and he's in his 80's. Let's get real about a 55 year old man walking around blind. It just doesn't happen when there is a quick and safe surgical cure. If he had a job, he could have financed the operation if he didn't have the money or insurance. If he was unemployed, the gov't would have paid for it through their insurance plan for poor people. Medicare, Medicaid, I'm not sure of the name.

It is my honest and very strong opinion that the damage to Ben's corneas was a direct result of exposure to the elements. He could have been unconscious BEFORE he ended up behind the dumpster, beaten.
IOW, he could have had more than one incident of incapacitation within a short period of time. We just don't know. Apparently, neither does the Ophthalmologist who removed the cataracts. HE or SHE would be the definitive source to answer the question because HE or SHE is the one who actually saw the cataracts.

Cataracts definitely can be caused by sun, wind and sand damage to the corneas when the blink reflex is diminished or absent. The only time we can't blink is when we are unconscious or when our eyelids are forcibly prevented from blinking.

I am wondering if maybe Ben was held captive for a while and tortured and beaten, then dumped at the Burger King. The torture, if professional and sadistic enough, definitely could have been something along the lines of taping his mouth closed and his eyes open.

[Tracie5]

Posted on the theories thread also -

Cataract development is usually a very gradual process of normal aging but can occasionally occur rapidly.
Rarely, cataracts can present at birth or in early childhood as a result of hereditary enzyme defects, and severe trauma to the eye, eye surgery, or intraocular inflammation can also cause cataracts to occur earlier in life. Other factors that may lead to development of cataracts at an earlier age include excessive ultraviolet-light exposure, diabetes, smoking, or the use of certain medications, such as oral, topical, or inhaled steroids. Other medications that are more weakly associated with cataracts include the long-term use of statins and phenothiazines.
There is an even more specific change that occasionally happens, when the opacity develops immediately next to the lens capsule, either by the anterior, or more commonly the posterior, portion of the capsule; these are called subcapsular cataracts. Unlike most cataracts, posterior subcapsular cataracts can develop rather quickly and affect vision more suddenly than either nuclear or cortical cataracts.
• The closer people live to the equator the greater the chance for cataracts. As suggested by a study in Southern France, sunlight exposure in these climates also increases the risk for severe cortical or mixed cataracts. In this study, even wearing sunglasses did not reduce the risk for these cataracts, although it did for posterior subcapsular cataracts.
• People whose jobs expose them to sunlight for prolonged periods are at higher risk. People in Southern climates whose occupations, such as fishing or oyster farming, exposed them to very intense sunlight were at high risk for all cataracts, including posterior subcapsular cataracts. (People in more Northern climates with similar occupations may not have as high a risk.)
• Occupational exposure to very intense artificial light, such as arc welding, increases the risk for cataracts.
Long-term environmental lead exposure may increase the risk of developing cataracts
Smoking
Heavy alcohol usage
Other conditions that can trigger the process leading to cataracts include:
• Physical injury to the eye (such as a hard blow, cut, or puncture)
• Chemical burns
• Electrical shock injuries
• Chronic exposure to intense heat or cold
Exposure to cosmic radia