Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #17

[Bob&Bob]

:floorlaugh:What would we do without you, Bob squared. We need an icon of a smiliey talking to himself in the mirror.

I hear you there.

Does anyone know what the temperature was on
the Saturday when NC disappeared?

__________________________

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0OhD-C94UQ

[raisincharlie]

Vehicle parks on the right side in the garage if you are facing the house. I guess as you say it furthest from the house. The side where her SUV has been seen parked in the driveway is normal looking stuffed side with kids toys piled and many other things.

The saddest part that brought tears to my eyes is BC had the kids cozy coupe pushed out sitting in front of the cars. Very sad to think those precious children probably won't be laughing and playing with it again at that home. :no:

Thanks - and yes it is sad to think about those little ones.

[momto3kids]

Preliminary results (so far) from the very informal 'straw' poll on Theories (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465948&postcount=171)thread break down like this:

A: BC did it (or arranged it): 70% chance
B: Person known to NC other than BC did it: 16.6% chance
C: Random crime: 13% chance
D: She's Alive & In A Witness Protection Program: 0.3% chance

Jumpstreet....if you are doing the ratio's put mine to be 99.9% for A
Toss the .1% under B.

[raisincharlie]

I hear you there.

Does anyone know what the temperature was on
the Saturday when NC disappeared?

__________________________

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0OhD-C94UQ


If she disappeared at night between 12 - 4 it was very close to 70 degrees F. If between 4 and 6 am it got down to almost 69 degrees F. Back up to 70 or so at 7 am.

Weather underground said so - can get you a link if you want an hourly graph - let me know.

[Bob&Bob]

If she disappeared at night between 12 - 4 it was very close to 70 degrees F. If between 4 and 6 am it got down to almost 69 degrees F. Back up to 70 or so at 7 am.

Weather underground said so - can get you a link if you want an hourly graph - let me know.

You betcha I'd like an hourly graph! That would be great!

[raisincharlie]

You betcha I'd like an hourly graph! That would be great!

Give me a mniute or two and you got it !


Here you go Bob & Bob - enjoy

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRDU/2008/7/12/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

The dew points are interesting

[sunflowers]

If she disappeared at night between 12 - 4 it was very close to 70 degrees F. If between 4 and 6 am it got down to almost 69 degrees F. Back up to 70 or so at 7 am.

Weather underground said so - can get you a link if you want an hourly graph - let me know.

i'm puzzled about 2 things (sry if these issues have been resolved in earlier posts that i might have missed):

1. Why would bc be carrying the car seats out of the house in one of the N & O pictures taken when police were searching house. That would mean that the car seats were either in the house or in the car in the garage, do you suppose?

2. assuming that nancy normally drove the car in the driveway, Why weren't the car seats in the car that Nancy usually drove, the one in the driveway, right?

3. and as far as i can tell, they only paid taxes on owing 1 car. I'm guessing that means that they were leasing the other car, but i don't know if anybody else has resolved that queston.

thanks

[momto3kids]

I saw that the next Grand Jury meeting is on the 11th which is Monday I am wondering if they would take the case to the Grand Jury without the coroner's report. Is there someone more experienced that could comment on this?


RC can probably answer this best.

My question.....Is this the reason BC's attorneys are having subpoena's served? Are they entitled to say anything or challenge anything in front of the GJ?

[The Saint]

I saw that the next Grand Jury meeting is on the 11th which is Monday I am wondering if they would take the case to the Grand Jury without the coroner's report. Is there someone more experienced that could comment on this?
the medical examiner testified at one of the custody hearings. it seems likely that a preliminary report ready.

according to just the fax , in NC, it is the lead investigator who presents the case to the Grand Jury. The DA is not in the room.

[ncnative]

About the BMW X5 of Nancy's. The close shots of it show it to be squeaky clean. I wonder if they checked to see if it had been to a car wash, or washed. I suppose there could be residual water under the nooks and crannies, or some way they could tell if it was very recently washed on the day of the "disappearance"? Any LE people around? I know that there is a nice car wash, maybe two, down Kildaire Farm Road in the direction of the children's day care.

[raisincharlie]

RC can probably answer this best.

My question.....Is this the reason BC's attorneys are having subpoena's served? Are they entitled to say anything or challenge anything in front of the GJ?

No to the GJ - the DA presents his case may call a LEO or two maybe but that's it in NC - no defense lawyers and no presentation from them in a GJ proceeding.

[momto3kids]

i'm puzzled about 2 things (sry if these issues have been resolved in earlier posts that i might have missed):

1. Why would bc be carrying the car seats out of the house in one of the N & O pictures taken when police were searching house. That would mean that the car seats were either in the house or in the car in the garage, do you suppose?

2. assuming that nancy normally drove the car in the driveway, Why weren't the car seats in the car that Nancy usually drove, the one in the driveway, right?

3. and as far as i can tell, they only paid taxes on owing 1 car. I'm guessing that means that they were leasing the other car, but i don't know if anybody else has resolved that queston.



thanks

SF...very early on when this case surfaced I stated something was wrong with the SUV and the taxes. Many thought it was a Cisco car or leased car.

It is not from what we have found. The car only had taxes paid once in 03/07..No bill for 03/08. There are no date stickers on the tag either.

RED FLAG! Who now owns this car?? It is obvious something is not right when Wake Co taxes show NO SUV any longer.

[ncnative]

As to the carseat question, wasn't Brad coming out of the house with the carseats because Nancy's parents had been keeping the girls? Maybe Nancy's parents had given him the carseats in his car and he took them into the house.

[momto3kids]

About the BMW X5 of Nancy's. The close shots of it show it to be squeaky clean. I wonder if they checked to see if it had been to a car wash, or washed. I suppose there could be residual water under the nooks and crannies, or some way they could tell if it was very recently washed on the day of the "disappearance"? Any LE people around? I know that there is a nice car wash, maybe two, down Kildaire Farm Road in the direction of the children's day care.

Harvey Montague owns the car wash you are talking about, corner of Penny and Kildaire. I doubt there are cameras there to be of much help. I certainly bet if he was asked to go thru receipts and transactions he would gladly do it.

[SleuthyGal]

SG & OS....so good to see you! :clap:
I was going to sign off since I thought I was talking to myself on here.

Hi Momto3! We really do need to meet in person one of these days!

I thought I was talking to myself too, then I went over to the Caylee thread to catch up. I love hearing about your daily movements through the community and just the stuff you notice around you over there in LochmereLand. Here on the Bond Park side of the world things are quiet.

Slightly OT: Have you noticed how cute/handsome some of these Cary cops are? There was a swarm of them (swarm = 6) back in late '06 when my 55 yr old next door neighbor was found dead in her bed (heart attack as it turned out) and I went outside to ask them what was up since there were like 3 cars and they were all standing around. I thought maybe we had a burglary and then they told me the news. Anyway, they were so nice and well, yes, handsome. Just an observation! Haven't been able to check out the firefighters yet. :wink:

[sunflowers]

About the BMW X5 of Nancy's. The close shots of it show it to be squeaky clean. I wonder if they checked to see if it had been to a car wash, or washed. I suppose there could be residual water under the nooks and crannies, or some way they could tell if it was very recently washed on the day of the "disappearance"? Any LE people around? I know that there is a nice car wash, maybe two, down Kildaire Farm Road in the direction of the children's day care.

i wondered the same thing. there's one car within a few blocks of Harris Teeter near the corner of Cary Pkwy & Kildare Farm, & another in the same strip shops with Food Lion near Bella's preschool. The one by Bella's school is coin-operated & can be used at any time of the day or night. I don't think there's a surveilance camera there---it's slightly back from the other stores & located on Penny Road. The other one isn't a 24/7 car wash.

[sunflowers]

As to the carseat question, wasn't Brad coming out of the house with the carseats because Nancy's parents had been keeping the girls? Maybe Nancy's parents had given him the carseats in his car and he took them into the house.

good point. thanks

[Bob&Bob]

Give me a mniute or two and you got it !


Here you go Bob & Bob - enjoy

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRDU/2008/7/12/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

The dew points are interesting

Thanks very much.

It wasn't very windy anyway.

[momto3kids]

the medical examiner testified at one of the custody hearings. it seems likely that a preliminary report ready.

according to just the fax , in NC, it is the lead investigator who presents the case to the Grand Jury. The DA is not in the room.

What could the ME have said?

ME testifing at a custody hearing?

Sounds like the ME had the trump card in this situation.

I guessed I missed this since I was out of state and not tuning in..dang.:waitasec:

[momto3kids]

i wondered the same thing. there's one car within a few blocks of Harris Teeter near the corner of Cary Pkwy & Kildare Farm, & another in the same strip shops with Food Lion near Bella's preschool. The one by Bella's school is coin-operated & can be used at any time of the day or night. I don't think there's a surveilance camera there---it's slightly back from the other stores & located on Penny Road. The other one isn't a 24/7 car wash.

The one near Bella's school...most swipe their card. Costing $8 to $10 a drivethru many do not have that much change. I certainly don't carry $10 in change.

[sunflowers]

don't know if it means anything, but it is strange that the 2nd vehicle--the 2004 BMW SW WPN--is a 2004 that they only paid taxes on in 2007 & clearly were not billed (therefore the car was no longer in their name) on January 2008 or later for the annual taxes on this car.

extremely unlikely that cisco took over the ownership of the car. hum....

[sunflowers]

just realized that nobody in wake county is registered as owning the 2004 BMW SW WPN because when I typed in the license number, only the tax payment in 2007 shows up. Otherwise, the new owner would show up in these records

[momto3kids]

Hi Momto3! We really do need to meet in person one of these days!

I thought I was talking to myself too, then I went over to the Caylee thread to catch up. I love hearing about your daily movements through the community and just the stuff you notice around you over there in LochmereLand. Here on the Bond Park side of the world things are quiet.

Slightly OT: Have you noticed how cute/handsome some of these Cary cops are? There was a swarm of them (swarm = 6) back in late '06 when my 55 yr old next door neighbor was found dead in her bed (heart attack as it turned out) and I went outside to ask them what was up since there were like 3 cars and they were all standing around. I thought maybe we had a burglary and then they told me the news. Anyway, they were so nice and well, yes, handsome. Just an observation! Haven't been able to check out the firefighters yet. :wink:

:floorlaugh: HaHa, even at my age I have noticed :)

I had to meet with 2 detectives not too long ago ...NOT BECAUSE OF BC....and I sat there thinking...what else can I find to talk about. You are correct. I think they must have a portfollio done to get the job.

[momto3kids]

just realized that nobody in wake county is registered as owning the 2004 BMW SW WPN because when I typed in the license number, only the tax payment in 2007 shows up. Otherwise, the new owner would show up in these records


BINGO

Who owns the SUV???

[raisincharlie]

just realized that nobody in wake county is registered as owning the 2004 BMW SW WPN because when I typed in the license number, only the tax payment in 2007 shows up. Otherwise, the new owner would show up in these records

uh huh -you are correct. It is a mystery but it definitely is no longer listed under Brad's name.

[The Saint]

What could the ME have said?

ME testifing at a custody hearing?

Sounds like the ME had the trump card in this situation.

I guessed I missed this since I was out of state and not tuning in..dang.:waitasec:

i read that on a news website - either N&O or WRAL

[reddress58]

uh huh -you are correct. It is a mystery but it definitely is no longer listed under Brad's name.
Any theories about that car ownership Mom or Raisin?

[sunflowers]

something isn't quite right here with that SUV. the license # is still the same # as when Brad owned it. if somebody else had bought it, the title would have been changed & they would have gotten a new license plate number, i believe.

probably not a big deal but one more thing that just doesn't add up.

and it might be interesting as to who owns it. once again, something that nancy's friends know about, if there's something off kilter here

[raisincharlie]

Any theories about that car ownership Mom or Raisin?

Reddress,

I have searched every name that has come up either in the press or through the affidavits and have not been able to find the SUV listed. It is definitely not listed in Brad's name and hasn't been for over a year. Just my guess - Brad transferred ownership to someone else, here goes my tunnel vision, so Nancy could not have it.

One possibility is and I do not know if it really is a possibility is after buying the vehicle in 2006, Brad later changed his mind and requested it be turned into a lease. In which case it would not show in his records. Now if that is possible - I really do not know since he originally set it up as a purchase.

[mahmoo]

Slightly OT: Have you noticed how cute/handsome some of these Cary cops are? Anyway, they were so nice and well, yes, handsome. Just an observation! Haven't been able to check out the firefighters yet. :wink:

Love your post :).....why don't ya get "super" sleuthy and get some photos to share with us:Banane23:

[reddress58]

Reddress,

I have searched every name that has come up either in the press or through the affidavits and have not been able to find the SUV listed. It is definitely not listed in Brad's name and hasn't been for over a year. Just my guess - Brad transferred ownership to someone else, here goes my tunnel vision, so Nancy could not have it.

One possibility is and I do not know if it really is a possibility is after buying the vehicle in 2006, Brad later changed his mind and requested it be turned into a lease. In which case it would not show in his records. Now if that is possible - I really do not know since he originally set it up as a purchase.
Thanks. I've been pondering this plate thing since the stickers went missing. Really is a mystery to me, too.

[momto3kids]

Any theories about that car ownership Mom or Raisin?

The taxes were paid by BC and the tag was in BC's name when the taxes were due in 07.

My thought is he is running it on his old tag, but it has been put in someone else's name. This way NC couldn't get the car in the settlement because it isn't his to give her. IMO

As for no stickers on the tag....if it isn't registered to him then the stickers wouldn't come to him, but to the person the vehicle is registered to.

This is the only thing I can think of at the moment.

If the LE has checked this part out then my theory goes out the window. Just maybe they didn't check it out.

[mahmoo]

Who in the heck would he have it registered to? That person would have to take on the liability of the vehicle......no one is going to do that.

[jumpstreet]

the medical examiner testified at one of the custody hearings. it seems likely that a preliminary report ready.


I guess I missed this one too...
There has only been one "official" custody hearing where anyone could actually testify, right? That was the ex-parte hearing. [ The other one scheduled for the 24th ended up being a "non-hearing", since the parties reached a settlement (the current mode) amongst themselves ]

So if a ME has testified as a custody hearing, it would have been the ex-parte one held just 2-3 days after the discovery?

Refresh my memory on where it's stated that the ME testified at this hearing... (apologies for not recalling)

[momto3kids]

Thanks. I've been pondering this plate thing since the stickers went missing. Really is a mystery to me, too.

If this is an underhand deal that has occured...new ownership of the SUV...then this just might be who the 3rd SW was for.

If someone has done that for BC what else have they done to help him get out of his horrible marriage??:furious:

[ncnative]

Sleuthy, any time I've ever had to call a Cary cop, they always look like they are 13. I'm old anyway.:)

[momto3kids]

Who in the heck would he have it registered to? That person would have to take on the liability of the vehicle......no one is going to do that.

Money talks!

[mahmoo]

I guess I missed this one too...
There has only been one "official" custody hearing where anyone could actually testify, right? That was the ex-parte hearing. [ The other one scheduled for the 24th ended up being a "non-hearing", since the parties reached a settlement (the current mode) amongst themselves ]

So if a ME has testified as a custody hearing, it would have been the ex-parte one held just 2-3 days after the discovery?

Refresh my memory on where it's stated that the ME testified at this hearing... (apologies for not recalling)

I may be wrong....but I don't know how accurate any ME testimony would have been at those hearings........they're saying they still don't have the autopsy results back yet. Wonder if the judge was going on what the detectives initially discovered???

[sunflowers]

brad might have turned the ownership over to somebody else to avoid nancy getting the car, but in NC it doesn't work that way. regardless of whose names the vehicles are in, all vehicles are considered community property & she was entitled to half of the value of the combined value of their 2 cars.

still, he might have thought he could get away with such a stunt, but if he did something along these lines, it certainly tells us something about the how low he would sink.....and thereby telling us even more about his character.

anybody hear ANYTHING at all re his brother, parents, etc who surely have been here for at least part of this time? So strange that we haven't seen or heard a thing about any of his family.....

[SleuthyGal]

Love your post :).....why don't ya get "super" sleuthy and get some photos to share with us:Banane23:

I have often thought of using the line, "what's a gal gotta do to get FRISKED around here?" Too obvious? yeah, maybe, huh. :innocent:

[SleuthyGal]

Sleuthy, any time I've ever had to call a Cary cop, they always look like they are 13. I'm old anyway.:) Jailbait! :behindbar

[reddress58]

The taxes were paid by BC and the tag was in BC's name when the taxes were due in 07.

My thought is he is running it on his old tag, but it has been put in someone else's name. This way NC couldn't get the car in the settlement because it isn't his to give her. IMO

As for no stickers on the tag....if it isn't registered to him then the stickers wouldn't come to him, but to the person the vehicle is registered to.

This is the only thing I can think of at the moment.

If the LE has checked this part out then my theory goes out the window. Just maybe they didn't check it out.
Hmmmm. By not getting the stickers from the new owner, BC runs the chance of NC finding out he changed the vehicle's ownership . I would think she'd have a hissy fit finding that out after being stopped for no stickers. Of course I'm assuming she didn't know, because that would be a big issue for her friends to list in their affidavits. And... I'm pretty sure NC would have told them.

Well, if LE didn't know about it....they do now thanks to Momto3kids!! Oh....HI, LE!

[sunflowers]

If this is an underhand deal that has occured...new ownership of the SUV...then this just might be who the 3rd SW was for.

If someone has done that for BC what else have they done to help him get out of his horrible marriage??:furious:

when did the stickers go missing?

[momto3kids]

I still think the 3rd SW that was anonymous got delivered to an unsuspecting individual.

LE didn't want to make someone aware they were headed in their direction.

Any business would have opened the doors I woould expect to allow them to get what they needed.

IMO if the SUV is owned by someone else it is most likely that person who got served.
JMO

[SleuthyGal]

anybody hear ANYTHING at all re his brother, parents, etc who surely have been here for at least part of this time? So strange that we haven't seen or heard a thing about any of his family.....

BC was allegedly spotted with his parents at a local JC Penney buying (get ready for the IRONY) sheets! This supposedly was last weekend. Allegedly, of course.

[reddress58]

BC was allegedly spotted with his parents at a local JC Penney buying (get ready for the IRONY) sheets! This supposedly was last weekend. Allegedly, of course.
Oh, lordy.. someone hold me back from cracking up. Guess brown & yellow don't wash out.

[CyberPro]

My neck of the woods, unmarked are in various colors. I have seen grey, black, white, and a few somewhat light blues for local PD and Sheriff, usually Crown Vic and lately some Chevy Impalas. Highway Patrol however uses a variety of makes and lots of colors for unmarked. Also unmarkeds have a specific sticker located on the front window, not overly noticable.

Hard to tell Mt3K but it would not surprise me for LE to be there watching and making note of plate numbers etc.


Although I understand that different states handle investigations different ways. In North Carolina, the State Patrol, troopers, whatever name you know them by in your area NEVER GET INVOLVED in investigating a homicide, unless, perhaps, it was done in a moving vehicle or involved a car accident. Even at that, I strongly believe, although I am not completely sure, that their investigation would be limited to the initial accident report.

I am not in North Carolina now, but I know where Mom was and I know that area very well. It does sound like LE, press would not be hanging that far away, and if the vehicle was positioned so that they could observe the church, it seems like someone was scoping it out. If they wanted LE to be available in the event that traffic control was needed, they would have used a marked car. I have not seen it lately, but they used to have traffic control at that church frequently during normal Sunday services. Kildare Farm Road is pretty heavily traveled, even though there is a lot of construction going on, and it is pretty far out of the actual center of town as far out as Mom is talking about.

CyberPro

[momto3kids]

Hmmmm. By not getting the stickers from the new owner, BC runs the chance of NC finding out he changed the vehicle's ownership . I would think she'd have a hissy fit finding that out after being stopped for no stickers. Of course I'm assuming she didn't know, because that would be a big issue for her friends to list in their affidavits. And... I'm pretty sure NC would have told them.

Well, if LE didn't know about it....they do now thanks to Momto3kids!! Oh....HI, LE!

If this did occur, I would bet NC didn't know. If she did, her friends would have had this as #2 of their affidavit.:)

I bet it hasn't crossed anyones mind about the stickers.
If the renewal didn't come in the mail I would have stickers 3 years old, I promise you.

[mahmoo]

Oh, lordy.. someone hold me back from cracking up. Guess brown & yellow don't wash out.

Maybe he likes earth tones :confused:

[maconrich]

Do the records y'all are looking at cover all of NC or just Wake Co? Just trying to see if he might have gifted the car to someone from out of the area (or even his family/brother in Canada) instead of one of his close friends. Since LE looked over the SUV it's odd they didn't notice the stickers weren't on the tag - and also seems like they would have run both vehicles thru the computers??

[momto3kids]

BC was allegedly spotted with his parents at a local JC Penney buying (get ready for the IRONY) sheets! This supposedly was last weekend. Allegedly, of course.


Don't the jail cots come with bedding?

[raisincharlie]

Do the records y'all are looking at cover all of NC or just Wake Co? Just trying to see if he might have gifted the car to someone from out of the area (or even his family/brother in Canada) instead of one of his close friends. Since LE looked over the SUV it's odd they didn't notice the stickers weren't on the tag - and also seems like they would have run both vehicles thru the computers??

My search - Wake County only. I suspect LE knows more about it than we do, routine to run plates and registrations in conjunction with a warrant served for the vehicles.

[momto3kids]

Oh, lordy.. someone hold me back from cracking up. Guess brown & yellow don't wash out.

He is still trying to figure out where to put the Tide HE in to begin the washer!

[mahmoo]

Since we're on the topic of the Cary PD......anyone know any of them? Are they proficient? I know they don't handle many murder cases......what do you locals think?

[sunflowers]

Oh, lordy.. someone hold me back from cracking up. Guess brown & yellow don't wash out.

unbelievable.

[CyberPro]

Harvey Montague owns the car wash you are talking about, corner of Penny and Kildaire. I doubt there are cameras there to be of much help. I certainly bet if he was asked to go thru receipts and transactions he would gladly do it.

Mom,

I posted about the cameras at this car wash in an earlier post, several threads back.

There are 2 cameras at this wash, but both of them are positioned mainly pointed at the office door area of the attached quick lube/repair shop. It does look like the camera in the rear MIGHT catch a car exiting the wash.

HOWEVER, depending upon how someone approaches the wash, there is a camera at the Anytime Fitness that is pointing to the parking lot, presumably to capture images of folks in the parking lot coming in to work out late evenings. It seems to me that if someone came at the wash from the front of the Food Lion, it would likely get a pretty good image of them, it might even view out as far as Kildare Farm Rd.

The wash is open 24 hours, and also has coin operated vacuums in the rear. It looks like the camera might see the vacuum area. The wash is paid for with cash or will accept credit cards, which could be tracked.

CyberPro

[maconrich]

My search - Wake County only. I suspect LE knows more about it than we do, routine to run plates and registrations in conjunction with a warrant served for the vehicles.

ok, Thank You!

[The Saint]

i can't find the article that i read last night that said that medical examiner had testified at one of the custody hearings. i may have misread it. i'll try to find it.

maybe it was nothing more than just a confirmation that nancy was deceased.

[sunflowers]

My search - Wake County only. I suspect LE knows more about it than we do, routine to run plates and registrations in conjunction with a warrant served for the vehicles.

yup. LE is definitely on top of this. They would definitely have run the plates & registration.

Cary LE is working closely with our SBI (state bureau of investigation), & with the attorney general's office & prosecuters. they'll make sure their case is airtight before going to the grand jury.

[raisincharlie]

Since we're on the topic of the Cary PD......anyone know any of them? Are they proficient? I know they don't handle many murder cases......what do you locals think?


At WRAL enter a search for Vanlata Patel - Cary PD handled this case, the guy is in the Wake County jail charged with the murder of his wife.


ETA - another "non random" case : http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2423442/

[reddress58]

He is still trying to figure out where to put the Tide HE in to begin the washer!
Dear Brad,

"Front Load" means the hole is at the front. "Top Load" means the hole is on the top. Make sure the grainy white stuff from HT is put into one of these holes depending on what hole your machine has. The dryer is that other machine next to the washer. That is where you put the laundry after the washing machine stops spinning. It will make your wet clothes dry once again. After you accomplish these simple steps, we will continue with the next lesson: white vs. dark.

Yours truly,

Prison KP

[raisincharlie]

yup. LE is definitely on top of this. They would definitely have run the plates & registration.

Cary LE is working closely with our SBI (state bureau of investigation), & with the attorney general's office & prosecuters. they'll make sure their case is airtight before going to the grand jury.

LE has the advantage of also having the VIN number so...if we had seen the warrants we would have had that info to work with. Would have helped but we are S O L.

[raisincharlie]

Dear Brad,

"Front Load" means the hole is at the front. "Top Load" means the hole is on the top. Make sure the grainy white stuff from HT is put into one of these holes depending on what hole your machine has. The dryer is that other machine next to the washer. That is where you put the laundry after the washing machine stops spinning. It will make your wet clothes dry once again. After you accomplish these simple steps, we will continue with the next lesson: white vs. dark.

Yours truly,

Prison KP

Should have told him about the white versus dark first. My wife says if I ever even look at a bottle of bleach again she will kill my sorry butttttt.

[reddress58]

Should have told him about the white versus dark first. My wife says if I ever even look at a bottle of bleach again she will kill my sorry butttttt.
She should make you wear your pink underwear. That'll teach you.

[raisincharlie]

She should make you wear your pink underwear. That'll teach you.

It was the other way round - super faded jeans...:crazy:

[Anderson]

Hello Anderson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZi8oBCeWAs

Thanks mt3k and bobs. I really enjoyed the clip. You are all so welcoming and funny!:)

[reddress58]

It was the other way round - super faded jeans...:crazy:
Then you're in style, man!

[sunflowers]

Dear Brad,

"Front Load" means the hole is at the front. "Top Load" means the hole is on the top. Make sure the grainy white stuff from HT is put into one of these holes depending on what hole your machine has. The dryer is that other machine next to the washer. That is where you put the laundry after the washing machine stops spinning. It will make your wet clothes dry once again. After you accomplish these simple steps, we will continue with the next lesson: white vs. dark.

Yours truly,

Prison KP

you all are too funny. lol

[mahmoo]

It was the other way round - super faded jeans...:crazy:

Bleach seems innocent but it's not.......LOL.

[momto3kids]

Dear Brad,

"Front Load" means the hole is at the front. "Top Load" means the hole is on the top. Make sure the grainy white stuff from HT is put into one of these holes depending on what hole your machine has. The dryer is that other machine next to the washer. That is where you put the laundry after the washing machine stops spinning. It will make your wet clothes dry once again. After you accomplish these simple steps, we will continue with the next lesson: white vs. dark.

Yours truly,

Prison KP


This is TOO much! :floorlaugh:
Don't confuse the boy..it is liquid.
The problem he is having...the lid is his measuring cup and he is still shaking his head wondering how that little cup of Tide will wash those nasty sheets.

So he puts the entire bottle in...surely Tide meant the bottle full and not cupful??? Now he can't get the suds to quit.

Maybe he will get to do laundry while he is a jail bird:clap:

[sunflowers]

LE has the advantage of also having the VIN number so...if we had seen the warrants we would have had that info to work with. Would have helped but we are S O L.

good point.

will be interesting to see search warrant info when they are released.....

[CyberPro]

Since we're on the topic of the Cary PD......anyone know any of them? Are they proficient? I know they don't handle many murder cases......what do you locals think?

I had a friend who was a Cary cop a few years ago. He was one of my best friends at the time, but I have fallen out of touch with him since he moved to a different state.

I also know a fellow who is or was a detective with CPD.

I can't speak for all of them, but I know those folks were TOP NOTCH!

I also have the feeling that MOST if not all of them are.

Also, I have never been through a Divorce, but I have worked with a family lawyer for many years doing computer consulting work. I know they are very thorough when looking for assets. No way to hide that bonus during equitable distribution.

Also, an investigation can be surprisingly thorough! I was deposed some years ago with regard to a lawsuit that involved the company that I work for. I had made some phone calls to customers to inform them of an issue with some supplies that they might be in a position to have purchased that were causing some problems with some of their equipment. I was being proactive and warning them that using these supplies had been causing damage, and what our policy of fixing the damages would be. The company was sued for an anti-trust action by the supplier of the defective supplies, which WERE causing problems. In the deposition, I was asked if I called specific customers, by the name of the person I spoke with, not the company where they worked. I did not call many, only 3 or so that I thought might need to know the information, and I could not clearly recall who I called, but the lawyers knew.

CyberPro

[sunflowers]

Mom,

I posted about the cameras at this car wash in an earlier post, several threads back.

There are 2 cameras at this wash, but both of them are positioned mainly pointed at the office door area of the attached quick lube/repair shop. It does look like the camera in the rear MIGHT catch a car exiting the wash.

HOWEVER, depending upon how someone approaches the wash, there is a camera at the Anytime Fitness that is pointing to the parking lot, presumably to capture images of folks in the parking lot coming in to work out late evenings. It seems to me that if someone came at the wash from the front of the Food Lion, it would likely get a pretty good image of them, it might even view out as far as Kildare Farm Rd.

The wash is open 24 hours, and also has coin operated vacuums in the rear. It looks like the camera might see the vacuum area. The wash is paid for with cash or will accept credit cards, which could be tracked.

CyberPro

thanks cyberpro. interesting that there are cameras there. esp if the cameras might be able to see the vacuum area. i used to go to that car wash a lot, and usually used cash.

i can't imagine him using a credit card at a car wash if it was in the early morning hours.....if he did any car washing, surely he would have used cash???? but, if he is the perp & if this wasn't premediated, he might not have had any cash.....

[mahmoo]

Thanks for that info CyberPro :wave: Sometimes I forget LE knows a heck of lot more than we do......most of em probably come here and laugh at us.

[CARYISHOME]

The taxes were paid by BC and the tag was in BC's name when the taxes were due in 07.

My thought is he is running it on his old tag, but it has been put in someone else's name. This way NC couldn't get the car in the settlement because it isn't his to give her. IMO

As for no stickers on the tag....if it isn't registered to him then the stickers wouldn't come to him, but to the person the vehicle is registered to.

This is the only thing I can think of at the moment.

If the LE has checked this part out then my theory goes out the window. Just maybe they didn't check it out.



The tag number appears to be the same number for the car when he paid the taxes the last time. So those are the original tags.

I don't see any evidence of any stickers ever being on those tags. Granted I haven't looked up close.

Is it possible, then, that they never put stickers on the car - maybe the stickers just got overlooked in day-to-day living?

If he was trying to slip one by Nancy by having the car registered in someone else's name that is laughable. That would be totally stupid to try to hide assets when they are in plain sight for the world to see. It does make me wonder, though, what other assets he may be trying to hide (not saying he is...just wondering).

[MoonFlwr]

Fran, I can not think of the right way to word it but it has been said by others and I'll say it again. He had been attacked and his children had been taken from him. He came out swinging in response to the statements that had been made against him.

If he had said nothing, what would people be saying then? They would say he was confirming the claims via his silence. That he never wanted the kids, etc.

At this point, there's not much he can do that is right.

Thanks, carolinalady! :)

You saved me from retyping it! I wanted it re-said though!

[Jess]

the medical examiner testified at one of the custody hearings. it seems likely that a preliminary report ready.

according to just the fax , in NC, it is the lead investigator who presents the case to the Grand Jury. The DA is not in the room.

I don't remember the ME having to testify at any hearing. I believe he was served with a subpoena to show u p, ( and there was a rumour that he was at the courthouse, or on the way to the courthouse)but as no proceedings took place in the courtroom, the two sides of the family coming to an agreement about the temporary custody without benefit of a judge, he was not needed.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

[SleuthyGal]

Since we're on the topic of the Cary PD......anyone know any of them? Are they proficient? I know they don't handle many murder cases......what do you locals think? One of them (possibly 2) did a bang-up job of tracking down a nuisance barking dog in my area. The sound bounced around in a weird way and it took some serious sleuthing time for them to find it. Frankly I didn't expect them to keep looking but they did. It was 2am and one of them left a long detailed note on my door about finally finding the problem house 2 or 3 streets away, and they researched the history and there were other complaints about this issue in the past. I know it's "just a dog barking complaint" but I was impressed that they kept at it and then actually followed up with me! If they'll do that for a nuisance dog barking at 2am I imagine they'd be pretty dedicated to solving a murder crime. ;)

[SleuthyGal]

Is it possible, then, that they never put stickers on the car - maybe the stickers just got overlooked in day-to-day living?

It's possible, sure. I'm curious why and how they never got pulled over by any cop if that was the case. I mean, people get pulled over for having an expired tag so if one weren't there I think a cop would eventually notice it.

Clearly we need to get Momto3 to knock on his door and inquire about this very issue. I fear many will continue to lose sleep until we solve this puzzle.

[maconrich]

(Response to carolinalady and MoonFlwr)

Actually there have been things he could have done that would make him look at least a little better than he has... so off the top of my head and with very little thought (something a bit scary coming from a blonde, I know)...

1. He could have called LE/911 when Nancy was gone past her 2 hours max. running time. Yes, he said he didn't know you could call before 24 hours, but JA didn't know either and went ahead and called. Worst case is they would have told him he had to wait, given him some suggestions and advised him to call back later. Best - it would have made him look like a half-way caring and concered human being.

2. He could have attended at least ONE of the impromptu or organized services/vigils for Nancy. Even going to the one last night would have worked. OR since he SAID he was planning on having his own service, it might have been a good idea to have done so -- and NOT this far after the fact.

3. No problem that he doesn't like to "grieve" or show his emotions in public, but he still should have gone -- at the very least -- to the press conference where it was confirmed that Nancy had indeed been found.

4. He could have had his attorney release the documents AFTER the day of the memorial service for Nancy. One day surely wouldn't have made much of a difference re his case, but it sure would have made him look less like a self-serving jerk.

5. Yes custody and divorce cases are messy, but due to the fact his wife was just murdered he could have avoided the trap of putting down his now dead wife / the mother of his children. I'm sure he could have been more brutal (verbally), but it's also true that he could have left out or at the very least re-worded many of the things he wrote so they weren't so harsh. Sticking to things directly involving the case would have accomplished what he needed to accomplish -- as others have pointed out.

6. Somewhere in his glowing description of himself he could have given Nancy credit for some of the things she did. I'm sure if he thought hard enough he could have remembered SOMETHING positive, and by including it he would have come off as a more compassionate figure. Plus since Nancy is gone and couldn't present her own counter-attack, er rebuttal, it wouldn't have hurt his case in any way that I can see.

7. Probably didn't help his "image" with me when he complained about Nancy's family talking to a mental health professional about how to best talk to the children. Especially since he claimed he'd spoken to one for the exact same reason. No reason to come off as publicly slamming your dead wife's traumatized family. He could have gotten his point across so it didn't come off as slamming. He voiced other legitimate complaints that were obviously addressed / decided on in the judge's chambers: this could have been handled the same way.

8. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' having Scott H make a Rebuttal Affidavit came across as stupid and selfish. IF SH had only focused on things that concerned him, fine; but he was in no position to address anything that anyone else stated (that wasn't about him or his ex-wife), and yet he did. Made him and BC both look bad.

9. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' putting up the webpage directing anyone with information about Nancy's death to call the attorney doesn't make BC come off very well.

10. And WTH does this mean ?? Are we to assume these attorneys are really "assisting" in the investigation rather than being a shield between BC and the rest of the world and getting ready to defend him should he be implicated in NC's murder?? Is this supposed to make BC look innocent?? That sure isn't the impression it gives me!

"Brad Cooper July 16 statement on wife's death

PRESS RELEASE
From Counsel Assisting Brad Cooper in Investigating the death of Nancy Cooper" (snip)
http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/3218421/




I know I could come up with much, much more - just as others here have time and time again. It really shouldn't be that hard for BC to at least pretend to be a somewhat normal human being and less of a self-centered behind.

[Apex-mom]

BINGO

Who owns the SUV???

Could it be possible that Nancy's Dad bought the SUV from Brad for Nancy? He seems to have known of their marital problems, and if say, he was loaning money to them and wanted something in return to secure as Nancy's, wouldnt the SUV be the perfect choice?

?
Just my .02!
Apex-mom

[jumpstreet]

I don't remember the ME having to testify at any hearing. I believe he was served with a subpoena to show up, ( and there was a rumour that he was at the courthouse, or on the way to the courthouse)but as no proceedings took place in the courtroom, the two sides of the family coming to an agreement about the temporary custody without benefit of a judge, he was not needed.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

That's my recollection as well. Also (my recollection is) that BC's side served the subpoena on the ME (presumably because they were confident anything the ME could/would reveal would support his innocence)

[jumpstreet]

(Response to carolinalady and MoonFlwr)

Actually there have been things he could have done that would make him look at least a little better than he has... so off the top of my head and with very little thought (something a bit scary coming from a blonde, I know)...

[snip]

I know I could come up with much, much more - just as others here have time and time again. It really shouldn't be that hard for BC to at least pretend to be a somewhat normal human being and less of a self-centered behind.

Great post.

[carolinalady]

Could it be possible that Nancy's Dad bought the SUV from Brad for Nancy? He seems to have known of their marital problems, and if say, he was loaning money to them and wanted something in return to secure as Nancy's, wouldnt the SUV be the perfect choice?

?
Just my .02!
Apex-mom


OR could it be that they have been issued NEW RED PLATES (since the last time taxes were paid) and those aren't on the car yet? I received my new red plates in the mail and it was up to me to put the new tag on the car and turn in the old blue one. IF it was converted to a lease, it wouldn't be on his record (I checked our lease).

[Jess]

That's my recollection as well. Also (my recollection is) that BC's side served the subpoena on the ME (presumably because they were confident anything the ME could/would reveal would support his innocence)

Yes you're right that it was served by BC's attorney.

Those in the know said that he would not reveal the autopsy report anyway as it was too soon for the report to be ready. Posturing on the attorney's part, I think!

[carolinalady]

(Response to carolinalady and MoonFlwr)

Actually there have been things he could have done that would make him look at least a little better than he has... so off the top of my head and with very little thought (something a bit scary coming from a blonde, I know)...

1. He could have called LE/911 when Nancy was gone past her 2 hours max. running time. Yes, he said he didn't know you could call before 24 hours, but JA didn't know either and went ahead and called. Worst case is they would have told him he had to wait, given him some suggestions and advised him to call back later. Best - it would have made him look like a half-way caring and concered human being.

2. He could have attended at least ONE of the impromptu or organized services/vigils for Nancy. Even going to the one last night would have worked. OR since he SAID he was planning on having his own service, it might have been a good idea to have done so -- and NOT this far after the fact.

3. No problem that he doesn't like to "grieve" or show his emotions in public, but he still should have gone -- at the very least -- to the press conference where it was confirmed that Nancy had indeed been found.

4. He could have had his attorney release the documents AFTER the day of the memorial service for Nancy. One day surely wouldn't have made much of a difference re his case, but it sure would have made him look less like a self-serving jerk.

5. Yes custody and divorce cases are messy, but due to the fact his wife was just murdered he could have avoided the trap of putting down his now dead wife / the mother of his children. I'm sure he could have been more brutal (verbally), but it's also true that he could have left out or at the very least re-worded many of the things he wrote so they weren't so harsh. Sticking to things directly involving the case would have accomplished what he needed to accomplish -- as others have pointed out.

6. Somewhere in his glowing description of himself he could have given Nancy credit for some of the things she did. I'm sure if he thought hard enough he could have remembered SOMETHING positive, and by including it he would have come off as a more compassionate figure. Plus since Nancy is gone and couldn't present her own counter-attack, er rebuttal, it wouldn't have hurt his case in any way that I can see.

7. Probably didn't help his "image" with me when he complained about Nancy's family talking to a mental health professional about how to best talk to the children. Especially since he claimed he'd spoken to one for the exact same reason. No reason to come off as publicly slamming your dead wife's traumatized family. He could have gotten his point across so it didn't come off as slamming. He voiced other legitimate complaints that were obviously addressed / decided on in the judge's chambers: this could have been handled the same way.

8. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' having Scott H make a Rebuttal Affidavit came across as stupid and selfish. IF SH had only focused on things that concerned him, fine; but he was in no position to address anything that anyone else stated (that wasn't about him or his ex-wife), and yet he did. Made him and BC both look bad.

9. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' putting up the webpage directing anyone with information about Nancy's death to call the attorney doesn't make BC come off very well.

10. And WTH does this mean ?? Are we to assume these attorneys are really "assisting" in the investigation rather than being a shield between BC and the rest of the world and getting ready to defend him should he be implicated in NC's murder?? Is this supposed to make BC look innocent?? That sure isn't the impression it gives me!

"Brad Cooper July 16 statement on wife's death

PRESS RELEASE
From Counsel Assisting Brad Cooper in Investigating the death of Nancy Cooper" (snip)
http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/3218421/




I know I could come up with much, much more - just as others here have time and time again. It really shouldn't be that hard for BC to at least pretend to be a somewhat normal human being and less of a self-centered behind.

Specifically I'm not going to answer each issue you've come up with, but I respect your post. I wish you would respect mine. I am continuing to objectively look at both sides of this case and I've never said he did it or he didn't do it.

Referring to your #4, his original affidavit was filed on 7/23 and that was the same day that the plantiff's affidavit was filed. As you can see, on both sides time was of the essence. It wasn't certain there was or wasn't going to be a custody hearing on 7/25 until the parties reached and agreement shortly before they were due to appear in the courtroom.

Referring to your #9 & #10, if you look bad in the thread where it has been discussed, I have posted that I think that was in very bad taste.

[carolinalady]

Yes you're right that it was served by BC's attorney.

Those in the know said that he would not reveal the autopsy report anyway as it was too soon for the report to be ready. Posturing on the attorney's part, I think!

I'm sure it is posturing. And the ME promptly issued a motion to quash b/c it wasn't ready for release.

[SleuthSayer]

Hey I am telling you for fact I know that he got it... I dont care if you believe me or not. I happen to work with Cisco and have long time friends who work with him at cisco. Take it for whats its worth...But he got those bonuses. He scored the biggest contract Cisco has and those bonuses or paid quarterly. I happen to be on that hasn't passed judgment yet. No surprise Fran took it and ran with it the way she did...she is convinced he did it. I provided information because it could be relevant either way.

This, like most of the other speculation that has been posted here about Cisco, is incorrect -- laughably so. Brad's job at Cisco does not involve "scoring" any contracts.

[maconrich]

Specifically I'm not going to answer each issue you've come up with, but I respect your post. I wish you would respect mine. I am continuing to objectively look at both sides of this case and I've never said he did it or he didn't do it.

Referring to your #4, his original affidavit was filed on 7/23 and that was the same day that the plantiff's affidavit was filed. As you can see, on both sides time was of the essence. It wasn't certain there was or wasn't going to be a custody hearing on 7/25 until the parties reached and agreement shortly before they were due to appear in the courtroom.

Referring to your #9 & #10, if you look bad in the thread where it has been discussed, I have posted that I think that was in very bad taste.

I'm not disrespecting your post. You stated "At this point, there's not much he can do that is right" and I just said some things off the top of my head that could /could have changed the image he's been projecting.

I gave him a lot of credit for working with Nancy's family in the judge's quarters (regardless of what his motivation may have been) and posted it here. He's not a stupid person, and he could have done and said things in a way that made him look better. But, with a few exceptions, that doesn't seem to be the path he decided to follow. Who knows, maybe that will change...

[DB in FV]

FYI, I just checked my own tax records, and it shows '07 and '08 info for our house and one car. We have a second car, but it isn't listed in the online information for whatever reason. So, the X5 not being listed doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[sues]

This, like most of the other speculation that has been posted here about Cisco, is incorrect -- laughably so. Brad's job at Cisco does not involve "scoring" any contracts.

I agree. He is not in sales; he does not score contracts.

He may or may not have received a bonus, but the information about the bonus presented here was at least partially incorrect, and so that calls in to question the whole idea of the bonus.

[sunflowers]

It's possible, sure. I'm curious why and how they never got pulled over by any cop if that was the case. I mean, people get pulled over for having an expired tag so if one weren't there I think a cop would eventually notice it.

Clearly we need to get Momto3 to knock on his door and inquire about this very issue. I fear many will continue to lose sleep until we solve this puzzle.

LOL. absolutely mom needs to "stop by" & get this solved so we can get some sleep!

[sunflowers]

FYI, I just checked my own tax records, and it shows '07 and '08 info for our house and one car. We have a second car, but it isn't listed in the online information for whatever reason. So, the X5 not being listed doesn't necessarily mean anything.

is 1 car registered in 1 spouse's name & the other car registered in the other spouse's name? we have 1 car registered with my spouse's name & that car is with our house. the other car is in a separate place under my name.

[stillblv]

Who in the heck would he have it registered to? That person would have to take on the liability of the vehicle......no one is going to do that.


One of the set of parents?

[fran]

I get exactly what you are saying. I have seen women accuse men of molesting the children...I watched a case the other night where a mom allegedly (sp?) manipulated her kids so much and things were so messed up the son walked out and shot the dad dead right in the driveway!

Women can be vicious, and lie during divorces...I am not saying Nancy did...and nothing excuses taking another life, well, except self defense and someone hurting one of my kids, and the law. :( I am in no way attacking Nancy, I am talking about women in general.

christine:

I totally understand what you're saying about spouses lying to get back at the other. I've seen it myself as well. To be quite honest, I think I've seen more of those cases than not, that I can't figure out which side is telling the truth.

With this case, however, the fact that one side cried wolf and then ended up dead, tells me, IMHO, there WAS a wolf in the hen house.

Just as LE says, there is NO COINCIDENCE when it comes to murder.

Just MHO,
fran

[d99gr81]

I have an ex sister in law who was a NUT case too!

The difference with NC is....

A-NC couldn't work in the US
B-NC was trying to make extra $ to survive
C-NC never moved around
D-BC never paid the bill not NC

I feel NC needed her friends support and listening ear, she didn't work or have family here. Who else would listen for her to vent?

IF you have any interest in working you can take care of what you need to do to work in the US. Trying to survive??? Man.... it must be tough with a BMW x5, 8k paintings , 200$ jeans and Pedis... He states he has bank records to prove he was giving her money.

[carolinalady]

Regarding the SUV & the plate:

The biggest problem I see is w/ the plates not having a current tax record on file. Even if the car is a lease, the plate should have a tax record though it wouldn't appear on under Cooper's name.

Personally, I checked our leased car and it does not show under our records. However, when I pull by plate number, it does pull a record.

We are going through a plate replacement phase in North Carolina. The old blue standard plates (like the ones on the SUV) are being replaced with new red plates. I don't know the DMV's timeline or criteria for replacing plates. I know that any new standard red plates issued are red. Going on personal experience again, my blue plate was old (I had transferred it from car to car since 1993). When my plate came up for renewal last year, I paid my registration fee and the completely new red plate was issued (I was disappointed to find out it wouldn't be the same tag #). So, when property taxes were assessed a few months later, it was linked to the new tag #. Again, it was entirely my responsibility to remove my old blue plate and replace it w/ the new red plate. It was also my responsibility to turn my old plate into the DMV (which they promptly threw into a pile behind the counter).

RC, I think it was you that was so interested in tags on the plates, my new red plate came w/ the stickers for the appropriate month (left corner) already affixed to the tag. I cannot remember back to when I got my original blue plates if the month tag was already on the tag.

So, if a new red tag had been issued yet they neglected to put it on the car, that could be a reason, it wouldn't show up in the tax record base. Once the new red tag is issued, the subsequent taxes are not tied to the old tag.

[d99gr81]

Thank you. You just proved a point!:clap:

FRIENDS never talk bad about the dead.

But Nancy's husband had no problem with that, yet he CLAIMS to love her!?:eek:

I'm shocked! :rolleyes:

Sincerely,
fran

Again, he wasn't talking bad about his wife...he was defending all the BS she spilled to her friends to keep his kids... I WOULD DO THE SAME! If i did not kill my wife but was in a divorce and I did not like her and what she had done to me I wouldn't CARE EITHER.... All I would care about is my kids... PERIOD!

FRAN IF he hadn't said crap ...you would say SEE he did it he doesn't say a word. He is in a no win situation... in every way... guilty or not guilty.

[carolinalady]

Originally Posted by fran
I can appreciate what you're saying, truly I can. But I've seen enough of these cases that IF the wife was legitimately missing or murdered, meaning someone else did it, the husband only says nice things about the other, doesn't utter one unkind word.

YET, the cases I've seen where the husband did it, well, let me just say that this is the worst case scenario of the husband destroying the wife's reputation, to take the eyes of suspicion off himself. Which I might add, were properly placed, in the past.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.

JMHO
fran

Can you let me know which of those cases involved children being taken away from surviving spouse prior to arrest/trial/conviction of said spouse?

I can totally see that when it's strictly criminal investigation/proceedings however I see this one as very different than other cases I've followed.


Fran, I'm bringing this here. If you've already replied to this, I missed it. I truly am interested.

[d99gr81]

I can appreciate what you're saying, truly I can. But I've seen enough of these cases that IF the wife was legitimately missing or murdered, meaning someone else did it, the husband only says nice things about the other, doesn't utter one unkind word.

YET, the cases I've seen where the husband did it, well, let me just say that this is the worst case scenario of the husband destroying the wife's reputation, to take the eyes of suspicion off himself. Which I might add, were properly placed, in the past.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.

JMHO
fran

Again ...BS. I hated my ex wife so much I could have cared LESS if something happened to her. If something had happened to her at that time I would have shown no remorse. Sadly I probably would have had the "what comes around goes around" attitude. I could have easily provided 5 years worth of proof of infidelity and I WOULD NOT HAVE HESITATED to use it... especially when it came to my boys. So not ALL situations are the same. Because you have SEEN many of the cases does not mean thats the way this one is. You base all your theories on past cases and stats. So if thats the case every time ...why even investigate... lets just fry the husband every time. Thats how your judicial system would work.

[Jess]

Again ...BS. I hated my ex wife so much I could have cared LESS if something happened to her. If something had happened to her at that time I would have shown no remorse. Sadly I probably would have had the "what comes around goes around" attitude. I could have easily provided 5 years worth of proof of infidelity and I WOULD NOT HAVE HESITATED to use it... especially when it came to my boys. So not ALL situations are the same. Because you have SEEN many of the cases does not mean thats the way this one is. You base all your theories on past cases and stats. So if thats the case every time ...why even investigate... lets just fry the husband every time. Thats how your judicial system would work.

Do you not think that your own personal experience has tainted your thinking about this case ??

Perhaps other spouses would be more reticent to show their hatred BECAUSE of their children. just asking

[carolinalady]

Do you not think that your own personal experience has tainted your thinking about this case ??

Perhaps other spouses would be more reticent to show their hatred BECAUSE of their children. just asking

This is not necessarily directed at you, just you had a good point here. Some people would probably hesitate to show their hatred and we know that in some cases the hatred comes through.

It did make me think and wonder where were the children when Nancy was telling her friends about all of the things Brad was doing to her (& the kids). Were they within earshot?

It definitely sounds like she had the children with her more often than not and I hope that the children were playing out of earshot of these conversations.

I'm not saying she did and certainly not intending to speak ill of the dead. No matter what Nancy did or did not do, she did not deserve to be murdered. It just was something that came to my head when thinking about divorce/custody stuff.

[2Daughters1Dog]

I agree that one statement shouldn't be taken as a solid fact...we all tend to grab onto the rumors..few pages it's fact...we should be careful of that, great point.......we have no clue if this bonus info is in fact accurate.


that is certainly my entire point.

To follow up on your lengthy rebuttal prior to this:

a. a "Just the facts" thread that contained only confirmed facts (like the maps thread) would help quell some of the random speculation.
b. this "bonus" issue isa perfect example - whether true or not, it got grabbed as gospel and used by several as "see, there's even more reason"
c. a JTF thread would help point newer/infrequent members to what IS known. You said "check the threads" - well good gracious you're on thread #17x20 pagesx20+ posts a page? that's a minimum of 7000 posts to try and find probably 100 relevant facts.

[Skittles]

It appears I can't even go to Wendy's for my husbands chili and it lands in my lap....(something related to this case)



So Mom, where are you going today? Hmmm? :cop:

[2Daughters1Dog]

Fran, I haven't said I don't believe the friends. I believe they are conveying what Nancy told them. Most of their statements are "Nancy told me this and Nancy told me that". I have been trying to objectively look at both sides of it. As I've said time and time again, Brad has put so much stuff in his affidavits/rebuttals that can either be confirmed or refuted.

so simple and so well put.

her friends affidavits = ~ 70% hearsay
his affidavit = a noose if he's lying

[Star12]

that is certainly my entire point.

To follow up on your lengthy rebuttal prior to this:

a. a "Just the facts" thread that contained only confirmed facts (like the maps thread) would help quell some of the random speculation.
b. this "bonus" issue isa perfect example - whether true or not, it got grabbed as gospel and used by several as "see, there's even more reason"
c. a JTF thread would help point newer/infrequent members to what IS known. You said "check the threads" - well good gracious you're on thread #17x20 pagesx20+ posts a page? that's a minimum of 7000 posts to try and find probably 100 relevant facts.

If you feel so strongly about a "just the facts" thread, feel free to go ahead and make one. It's not a moderator-only task.

[Jess]

This is not necessarily directed at you, just you had a good point here. Some people would probably hesitate to show their hatred and we know that in some cases the hatred comes through.

It did make me think and wonder where were the children when Nancy was telling her friends about all of the things Brad was doing to her (& the kids). Were they within earshot?

It definitely sounds like she had the children with her more often than not and I hope that the children were playing out of earshot of these conversations.

I'm not saying she did and certainly not intending to speak ill of the dead. No matter what Nancy did or did not do, she did not deserve to be murdered. It just was something that came to my head when thinking about divorce/custody stuff.

Well if there is one good thing about this whole mess, is that the children are out of that environment. There has been NO media pictures, comments, NOTHING . It seems like the Rentz's are following the custody order and that the local media up here are following their wishes.

[Topsail Girl]

Morning everyone. 2daughters if you'd like a thread for just the facts go start one and I'll help you add to it as best I can.

[momto3kids]

So Mom, where are you going today? Hmmm? :cop:

:coffeeup: Hmmm...you would never guess, I am almost too afraid to say :silenced:

[2Daughters1Dog]

VERY good point...

ETA...another example of "Nancy told me..."

ETA (again) Please understand that I am in no way trying to belittle Nancy Cooper or her tragic death. All we have to go on is what she told her friends and what is in Brad's statements. I beleive there is a little of the truth in both sides.

also, in re: the purse.

Lochmere is safe enough, heck our area by and large is, that there are plenty of folks who don't lock doors, who don't lock cars, etc. Whether there's some statement that she and Brad were typically conscientious about locking things and so this makes it odd, so be it. I haven't seen that.

[momto3kids]

also, in re: the purse.

Lochmere is safe enough, heck our area by and large is, that there are plenty of folks who don't lock doors, who don't lock cars, etc. Whether there's some statement that she and Brad were typically conscientious about locking things and so this makes it odd, so be it. I haven't seen that.

Lochmere is safe...it is if you are concerned for your safety.
It is NOT safe currently with the large amount of break-ins occuring in Lochmere. Look at the website CPD has posted and see how close they are occuring near NC.

For someone who was needing every penny at the time...not wise to leave a valuable purse and its contents in the car. IMO

Ask my daughter what it has been like to have hers stolen....hers btw is sitting at the bottom of Lochmere Lake like all the others.

[d99gr81]

I visited in person on Tues afternoon and I was surprised to find that it was not as remote as I had imagined. There were no houses on the street of the cul-de-sac where Nancy's body was found but there was ALOT of construction on Fielding leading into that street. In fact, there was a semi parked at the corner partially blocking the entrance and we almost missed it. While we were there (at the site) probably 10 minutes, three trucks came into the cul-de-sac to turn around.



I'm not a runner, but I just can't see Nancy choosing this route as part of her run. I had to check it out myself to see what it's like. NO WAY!

She obviously was one that kept up with the Joneses...who is to say she didn't jog that way to see how the new houses were coming alone? I would.

[2Daughters1Dog]

I totally agree with this. If she had no money for groceries, what better way to make sure she and kids got to eat. I wouldn't have given her money for groceries. Why, so BC could get his hands on it?

Where's the disconnect between whether he gave her money or not?

I just find it incredibly hard to believe that she had zero money and had to essentially beg others to feed her and her kids and if so many folks saw and really believed it, they would basically stand by and let that type of behavior go unchallenged.

As to "so BC could get his hands on it" - any affidavit claim he rifled through her pruse and emptied her wallet all the time?

[2Daughters1Dog]

Morning everyone. 2daughters if you'd like a thread for just the facts go start one and I'll help you add to it as best I can.

who deletes the posts that aren't facts? Moderators?

[Topsail Girl]

who deletes the posts that aren't facts? Moderators?

I suppose we can ask the moderators to help if someone posts something that is not a fact and refuses to delete or edit it.

[2Daughters1Dog]

Oh yeah and another thing that bugs me BC said he went to look for Carrie but didn't have her address...duh...and went looking for her car....hmmmm...how dumb does that sound to you guys?
HOw did he know where to go and what her car was like and omigod this all sounds so not right!

I believe he said he didn't know her EXACT address, but went to the subdivision/community ( a townhouse as I recall). If he knew what her car looked like, presumably it would have been parked in front of her unit.

[MoonFlwr]

I suppose we can ask the moderators to help if someone posts something that is not a fact and refuses to delete or edit it.

I wonder how practical it is? It sounds as thought it might open a whole beehive of problems, with arguing? (just thinking out loud).What citerion would be used for it to meet the 'fact' standard, for example?

[carolinalady]

I wonder how practical it is? It sounds as thought it might open a whole beehive of problems, with arguing? (just thinking out loud).

It could be a "no discussion" thread like the photos, media, etc.

[2Daughters1Dog]

What are anyone's thoughts of DD affidavit #17 about Katie? If NC and BC were in the so called ~hate mode~, and NC talked back to him in front of others at the party.........Did this set him off? Did he sit and stew over this and wait for her to come home?

In his eyes this would be embarrassing and belittling.

that's a whole lot of projecting based on the affidavit statement:

"...Brad did not seem to understand what Katie wanted or needed - he complained that he could not tell. Nancy, frustrated, told him to pay more attention to the signals, since Katie did not talk yet."

[MoonFlwr]

It could be a "no discussion" thread like the photos, media, etc.

Ok, understood :)

When would it be passable as a fact?

[momto3kids]

Where's the disconnect between whether he gave her money or not?

I just find it incredibly hard to believe that she had zero money and had to essentially beg others to feed her and her kids and if so many folks saw and really believed it, they would basically stand by and let that type of behavior go unchallenged.

As to "so BC could get his hands on it" - any affidavit claim he rifled through her pruse and emptied her wallet all the time?

2d1d....you are so way off base.

This is what happens when people get on and only read a portion of a conversation like you just did.

First, I was responding to Fran's post and it was quoted in my response which you failed to show....so let me show you what I was responding to since you are wanting to point the finger at me.


Quote:
Originally Posted by fran
I've actually helped a friend in need, not by offering charity, it would hurt their pride. But by having them do things around the house, paying them a decent wage and making it more of a get together type thing with talking, both of us working, stopping for a meal, etc.

IMO, that's most likely what Nancy's friends were doing with her.

Oh, yeah, just MY guess.

FWIW
fran

I never said BEG, you did.
"So BC could get his hands on it" was not referring to $$$$$, it was referring to food. That was our discussion remember...FOOD.
Read again what you quoted me in saying...I would NOT give her $$. But yet you bring up wallet.
Challenge his behavior? Who was going to? Everyone states they hardly saw him and if they did he want upstairs. That IS in the affidavits.

[EntreNous]

I thought WS was a think tank of sorts. A place to knock around possibilities in an effort to mete out an eventual conclusion, no? Since this isn't a court of law I personally don't see a problem with individual theories and hypothetical scenarios.

Why so defensive 2D1D? Is this personal for you on some level? Because I think members here are not trying to be disrespectful. They're just trying to understand a terrible crime and leaning in a statistically likely direction.

[momto3kids]

that's a whole lot of projecting based on the affidavit statement:

"...Brad did not seem to understand what Katie wanted or needed - he complained that he could not tell. Nancy, frustrated, told him to pay more attention to the signals, since Katie did not talk yet."

Most everyone on here are projecting ideas based on the affidavits and media.

NEWS to 2d1d...there is also a THEORY thread. You might be interested in all the theories or so called projecting that is done there.

[2Daughters1Dog]

BINGO

Who owns the SUV???


personally, it seems waaaay too much attention is being paid to the lack of data on her BMW station wagon - especially as regards "who owned it".

But I would say, I don't believe the TAGS transfer from one owner to another ("we should be able to find the new owner based on the WPN tag") if it were sold in some way.

[momto3kids]

I thought WS was a think tank of sorts. A place to knock around possibilities in an effort to mete out an eventual conclusion, no? Since this isn't a court of law I personally don't see a problem with individual theories and hypothetical scenarios.

Why so defensive 2D1D? Is this personal for you on some level? Because I think members here are not trying to be disrespectful. They're just trying to understand a terrible crime and leaning in a statistically likely direction.

EN....You're right.
Tricia would have to take a very high percentage of all the posts off WS (not just NC) if it was a fact only website.

This case seems to be very sensitive to you 2d1d....

[Jess]

that's a whole lot of projecting based on the affidavit statement:

"...Brad did not seem to understand what Katie wanted or needed - he complained that he could not tell. Nancy, frustrated, told him to pay more attention to the signals, since Katie did not talk yet."

This is what we do here. It is only in a court of law that the standard becomes innocent until proven guilty. When LE question, do you think they go "Oops, innocent until proven guilty, can't ask that, think that, question that/" They work with a lot of 'what if's , and their guts as they look at the evidence.

We use what we can see as released by LE, the statements by the main players to form our own conclusions or speculations. What we think, what scenarios we come up with matter naught to the perpetrator. We are not his jury .

This is the wrong place to be if you don't like deductive reasoning ( right or wrong) or speculation.

[2Daughters1Dog]

Most everyone on here are projecting ideas based on the affidavits and media.

NEWS to 2d1d...there is also a THEORY thread. You might be interested in all the theories or so called projecting that is done there.


Statements from your post:

1NC talked back to him in front of others at the party.........2Did this set him off? 3Did he sit and stew over this and wait for her to come home?

4In his eyes this would be embarrassing and belittling.


see - the way I've numbered the items. #2 & #3 actually make PERFECTLY good sense. They really do. it is entirely possible. But you also said #1 & 4:

she talked back to him
in his eyes it WOULD BE

no way from what we have to say either was the case.

[2Daughters1Dog]

deductive reasoning? LOL.

Speculation and gossiping - absolutely.

[Jess]

YES deductive reasoning . It has been amazing on how many cases, the posters have come very close to the truth or have been right on the button. Sure there have been wild and crazy theories posted, but it's a MESSAGE Board !! That's why we are here !!!

[2Daughters1Dog]

This, like most of the other speculation that has been posted here about Cisco, is incorrect -- laughably so. Brad's job at Cisco does not involve "scoring" any contracts.


wowzers

[Jess]

And I love when we have local people who can say that because of the geography, street patterns , distances that are not evident on maps, that such and such is NOT possible. I like it when they're out and about that they notice things and report back to us !!!

I like it when locals have met some of the people who are the fringe players in the situation. There are posters who have helped greatly in a case. There have been several cases where members of the DA's office have read the boards and information has become useful. Sometimes just looking at something with a different eye, suggesting different possibilities strikes a chord with an investigator. It has happened !!!!!

[2Daughters1Dog]

FYI, I just checked my own tax records, and it shows '07 and '08 info for our house and one car. We have a second car, but it isn't listed in the online information ....

murderer!!!!!!!!!!!

[momto3kids]

Statements from your post:

1NC talked back to him in front of others at the party.........2Did this set him off? 3Did he sit and stew over this and wait for her to come home?

4In his eyes this would be embarrassing and belittling.


see - the way I've numbered the items. #2 & #3 actually make PERFECTLY good sense. They really do. it is entirely possible. But you also said #1 & 4:

she talked back to him
in his eyes it WOULD BE

no way from what we have to say either was the case.

This is becoming OBVIOUS you want to tear into me and my comments, because you certainly haven't quoted anyone else.

#1 is in DD's affidavit....remember the party was at DD home? She did talk back to him and told him to 'pay attention to the signals.'. Hmmm, it seems to me that is not the response of a happily married couple.

If they were in the HATE mode I would say this was talking back to BC!

#4...if I made this remark in front of others, while we were in the HATE mode, some if not all the guests know my marriage is over...it certainly would be embarrassing to BC. IMO

I am entitled to my opinion, and that is mine.

[2Daughters1Dog]

I thought WS was a think tank of sorts. A place to knock around possibilities in an effort to mete out an eventual conclusion, no? Since this isn't a court of law I personally don't see a problem with individual theories and hypothetical scenarios.

Why so defensive 2D1D? Is this personal for you on some level? Because I think members here are not trying to be disrespectful. They're just trying to understand a terrible crime and leaning in a statistically likely direction.

I've said before and will say again. I never met either of them and have probably never met any of the characters involved. The only connection I have is that I graduated from NC State 20 years ago.

The statistically likely direction is that he killed her, whether with his own hands or paying someone to do so.

That's ever been disputed?

[2Daughters1Dog]

And I love when we have local people who can say that because of the geography, street patterns , distances that are not evident on maps, that such and such is NOT possible. I like it when they're out and about that they notice things and report back to us !!!

I like it when locals have met some of the people who are the fringe players in the situation. There are posters who have helped greatly in a case. There have been several cases where members of the DA's office have read the boards and information has become useful. Sometimes just looking at something with a different eye, suggesting different possibilities strikes a chord with an investigator. It has happened !!!!!

absolutely!

But several of the high postcount folks have said, for example:

"No way she would have jogged over there"

"there" can be the body location
"there" can be the gym

When in fact, it is quite, quite possible she could/would have jogged there.


I'm also not the only one that points out that a large part of the "her friends affidavits" is hearsay "Nancy told me" - yet many many posters here take them - and what they say about the Coopers' relationship, as FACT.

[Onescout]

Oh, lordy.. someone hold me back from cracking up. Guess brown & yellow don't wash out.

Maybe LE took his sheets and he needs more....

[2Daughters1Dog]

This is becoming OBVIOUS you want to tear into me and my comments, because you certainly haven't quoted anyone else.


ORLY? look around.




btw - my wife, as the primary care giver/stay at home mom who sees the signals of my 2 Daughters - often had to help me learn those signals. Even though I do spend lots of time with my 2 Daughters.

Sometimes my 3 yo grabs her crotch. Sometimes it's because she needs to go to the bathroom. Sometimes its because her underpants are scrunched up. Sometimes she's just putting her hands down there.

[sues]

absolutely!

But several of the high postcount folks have said, for example:

"No way she would have jogged over there"

"there" can be the body location
"there" can be the gym

When in fact, it is quite, quite possible she could/would have jogged there.


I'm also not the only one that points out that a large part of the "her friends affidavits" is hearsay "Nancy told me" - yet many many posters here take them - and what they say about the Coopers' relationship, as FACT.

I agree. I do think that most of the posters are clear that they are speculating, while a few state things as fact that are not.

I also think that a couple of very active posters (on both sides) can only see the case through the tainted lens of their own experiences. I think that is irrational and don't agree with it at all.

That said; just let it go. The gossip on this board does not have an effect on the legal case. I like to read this board because of some of the actual facts that do come through (that would take a long time for me to find myself from different news sources), but I'm careful about what I believe as fact. You are right that the majority is hearsay. Just ignore that stuff.

[Jess]

absolutely!

But several of the high postcount folks have said, for example:

"No way she would have jogged over there"

"there" can be the body location
"there" can be the gym

When in fact, it is quite, quite possible she could/would have jogged there.


I'm also not the only one that points out that a large part of the "her friends affidavits" is hearsay "Nancy told me" - yet many many posters here take them - and what they say about the Coopers' relationship, as FACT.


So what's your point ??? Because you don't know what 'there' is being discussed ? or that you feel that it is possible Nancy would/ could have jogged over there ? You feel you are more accurate because perhaps you live in the area ?

Are you a jogger ? have you trained for half marathons ? Do you have some further insight to how a training schedule would be ?

I just feel like a lot of anger is coming from you and I have a feeling it is about something specific.

[momto3kids]

I've said before and will say again. I never met either of them and have probably never met any of the characters involved. The only connection I have is that I graduated from NC State 20 years ago.

The statistically likely direction is that he killed her, whether with his own hands or paying someone to do so.

That's ever been disputed?

Go thru the hundreds of posts and you will see it has been discussed. Do your homework before you come on here and begin pointing the finger to certain ones of us on here.

Being so adamant and defensive as you have been with this entrance today gives me a red flag about you. Do you think I believe you now because you say you never met the Coopers? No, but that is my perogative.

For me it is, '1st impression is lasting impression.'

Never met BC? LOL. I know someone who did, not too long ago :silenced:, and yes since NC went missing.

[Onescout]

I believe he said he didn't know her EXACT address, but went to the subdivision/community ( a townhouse as I recall). If he knew what her car looked like, presumably it would have been parked in front of her unit.

It was a wild goose chase, a red herring whatever you want to call it...there could have been hundreds of townhomes in that subdivision. And many townhomes have garages, in that case he would've really been out SOS.
Are you kidding me?

[Onescout]

Where's the disconnect between whether he gave her money or not?

I just find it incredibly hard to believe that she had zero money and had to essentially beg others to feed her and her kids and if so many folks saw and really believed it, they would basically stand by and let that type of behavior go unchallenged.

As to "so BC could get his hands on it" - any affidavit claim he rifled through her pruse and emptied her wallet all the time?

She was a stay at home mom whose husband had his nme only on the bank accounts. How was she supposed to get money other than him? This is according to his and her friends affadavits. He claimed he took control of her spending habits.
You may find it incredibly hard to believe because you don't personally live it...you need to check out the stories of abused/controlled women, you will find that money control is a pattern in these cases.

[2Daughters1Dog]

see red comments

Go thru the hundreds of posts and you will see it has been discussed. What is "it"

Do your homework before you come on here and begin pointing the finger to certain ones of us on here. What homework?

Being so adamant and defensive as you have been with this entrance today gives me a red flag about you. No, I've been here a week or so. I just finally am at a work position this morning that requires me NOT to work at my leisure and oddly encourages me to just surf the internet today. And so, rather than just pick up say 1 page back, I went to the last time I was on briefly yesterday.
Do you think I believe you now because you say you never met the Coopers? No, but that is my perogative. Believe me for what? That I don't know any of the folks involved? Actually, I do know Alice Stubbs. Mea culpa.

For me it is, '1st impression is lasting impression.'

Never met BC? LOL. I know someone who did, not too long ago :silenced:, and yes since NC went missing. I wish I understood what you mean here.

[2Daughters1Dog]

It was a wild goose chase, a red herring whatever you want to call it...there could have been hundreds of townhomes in that subdivision. And many townhomes have garages, in that case he would've really been out SOS.
Are you kidding me?

this is an excellent point actually. See, I need to go looking for Carrie's (sp) full name. Then I can go to the tax records and I can look up her townhouse, and I can actually report to you how outlandish his claim was or wasn't.

Fair enough?

Anybody want to help me real quick with her name?

[Jess]

momto3kids


Any more dialogue is not worth the trouble. Thanks for all the little trips youj've made and for your observant eyes,

[Onescout]

ORLY? look around.




btw - my wife, as the primary care giver/stay at home mom who sees the signals of my 2 Daughters - often had to help me learn those signals. Even though I do spend lots of time with my 2 Daughters.

Sometimes my 3 yo grabs her crotch. Sometimes it's because she needs to go to the bathroom. Sometimes its because her underpants are scrunched up. Sometimes she's just putting her hands down there.

Whoa....just simmer down.

[sues]

this is an excellent point actually. See, I need to go looking for Carrie's (sp) full name. Then I can go to the tax records and I can look up her townhouse, and I can actually report to you how outlandish his claim was or wasn't.

Fair enough?

Anybody want to help me real quick with her name?

I *think* Carey Clarke. I might be spelling the first name wrong, though.

Oops. It's "Carrie" according to JA affidavit.

[2Daughters1Dog]

no, you have spelling right per the WRAL link from 2 days ago in the "Media Links" thread.

unfortunately, can't find her address per method I described above. Has her address been revealed anywhere? I can look it up then and see how his story jibes.

[SleuthyGal]

:coffeeup: Hmmm...you would never guess, I am almost too afraid to say :silenced:

Uh-oh...I fear McDonald's may be next. Run for cover! Run for cover! :D

[RaleighNC]

This, like most of the other speculation that has been posted here about Cisco, is incorrect -- laughably so. Brad's job at Cisco does not involve "scoring" any contracts.

Thank you. Agree 100%.

Cisco pays bonuses as part of it's compensation package. The amounts vary, but from what I know - it's 1/2 of the "base" amount at their mid year (around February) and then the remainder in September. The remainder is determined by employee performance, as well as company performance metrics.

The base amount varies by your 'level'.

Stock options are also part of their compensation package.

Now - here's a theory for you:
Maybe he killed her because he knew his year end bonus WAS going to be huge - and payable in September? Not $285K huge, but whatever.

I don't believe what I just typed, but at least it's based on what I know, through personal experience, to be true of Cisco's compensation plan.

[SleuthyGal]

who is to say she didn't jog that way to see how the new houses were coming alone? I would.

Have you traveled down Holly Springs Road? Those of us who went there and looked in person realized that any runner would hesitate to run there...you are 6 inches from traffic, no sidewalks, a lot of traffic. Nope, don't think she would (or did).

[CARYISHOME]

FYI, I just checked my own tax records, and it shows '07 and '08 info for our house and one car. We have a second car, but it isn't listed in the online information for whatever reason. So, the X5 not being listed doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I did the same thing and had the same scenario. Turns out our name is spelled differently in the tax records. My last name is Irish and has an apostrophe in it. One of our cars is listed under our name with the apostrophe, the other is listed under our name without the apostrophe.

So, I don't know if something like that has anything to do with the Cooper car...I can't imagine how their names could get mixed up....

[d99gr81]

At WRAL enter a search for Vanlata Patel - Cary PD handled this case, the guy is in the Wake County jail charged with the murder of his wife.


ETA - another "non random" case : http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2423442/

Right....and how long did they take before they arrested him???

[Jade]

Might I respectfully point out that this is the featured case discussion board?

Further up on the main page are information boards for those who want to follow news reports or post links that pertain to a case with no discussions that include speculation.
The idea is that family, friends or posters who want to follow the news of a case can get the latest news without speculation and theories that may be too painful or time consuming to wade through.

Some one seeking to follow just reported facts with links to verify could start a thread there.

IMO

[momto3kids]

momto3kids


Any more dialogue is not worth the trouble. Thanks for all the little trips youj've made and for your observant eyes,

Thanks Jess....:blowkiss:

I am happy I have broad shoulders and thick skin!

A little challenge this morning, that's OK.
One thing he will find out is I won't back down from my opinions, and no matter what angle he takes with me he will NOT find out how or what I know unless I decide to tell it on WS.

[d99gr81]

Do you not think that your own personal experience has tainted your thinking about this case ??

Perhaps other spouses would be more reticent to show their hatred BECAUSE of their children. just asking

How can I be tainted? I don't think one way or the other.... I don't know if he did or didn't do it... If I said he was innocent then yes.... but I have NEVER said one way or the other, because I do not know and we do not have any evidence that implicates him.

[sues]

Have you traveled down Holly Springs Road? Those of us who went there and looked in person realized that any runner would hesitate to run there...you are 6 inches from traffic, no sidewalks, a lot of traffic. Nope, don't think she would (or did).

I don't think this argument is relevant to the case at all. LE clearly has reason to believe the murder did not occur at that location, but rather was a dump site. If LE thought the murder occurred there, Wake Cnty LE would be handling the case.

Also, I wanted to add that while I think most people would not choose to run on a road like that when there are trails nearby, just last week I ran on Aviation Parkway in an area with no shoulder and no sidewalk b/c I was running to another location with trails. So runners DO sometimes run in areas like that, even when trails are nearby. Not saying she did, just saying it wouldn't be out of the question.

[momto3kids]

Uh-oh...I fear McDonald's may be next. Run for cover! Run for cover! :D