Jack Clifton Sharp / William Clifton Knapp / Cecil Russell

[Dr. Doogie]

I want to bring our research into this serial kidnapper into focus with his own thread. I need to pull some relevant previous posts forward so the new information makes sense.

[Dr. Doogie]

The name Jack Clifton Sharp, or is he William Clifton Knapp, came up in a newspaper archive I had Tuitsweet do a look-up of. Supposedly he was arrested in Dec 1973 for auto theft and had a 5 yr old girl claiming the girl to be his daughter. The child was placed in a foster home and later turned out to be a girl missing since Nov 1973. He was arrested in summer of 1974 after abducting a 4 yr old. All this I believe occurred in LA or San Diego. However, his name shows up in San Mateo Court system in 1974. Too close to home for me! Remember our newspaper tipster who claimed to have seen Anna was with a man named "Bill" who is about the same age as this guy.


Summary: Sharp was about the same age and used the same name as an alias as the man described by our tipster.

[Dr. Doogie]

The link to San Mateo County was for a change of trial venue. From an article:

"His trial on two counts of child stealing, one of
child molestation and two of car theft was moved to
Redwood City on a change of venue motion granted by
Long Beach Superior Court Judge John Arguellcs.
In granting the motion, Arguclles said pretrial
publicity in the Los Angeles area could possibly prejudice
the Sharp case."

Summary: The above mentioned "too close to home" actually is a coincidence because San Mateo County was chosen for a change of venue for his trial.

[Dr. Doogie]

The first child was kidnapped on her way to school by Sharp, but I can't find anything about the second child. Any idea if either known cases were random, or did he stalked these victims first?

Evidently, he stalked the second girl prior to her abduction. He was observed watching her as she waited to be picked up by a family member after school, then abducted her one day when the family member was a little late. She was enticed into the car by an offer of candy.

Interestingly, the first girl was told by Sharp that her mother had died and that he was her father. In the couple of months that she was with him, she became completely convinced that this was true. This is why when he was arrested for car theft, she was placed into foster care - she believed that this was true so LE had no reason to suspect otherwise. This scenario matches exactly what we have suspected may have happened to Anna.

At this point, we have no reason to believe that Sharp had anything to do with Anna's abduction, but it seems prudent to explore this possibility. I remain convinced that Anna disappearance was related to the two Georges and their insurance schemes, but must remain open to other options. One encouraging note, if Sharp was involved, is that all three of his known victims are alive. He seems to have been a kidnapper and molester, but not a murderer. Again, I do not think that he was involved, but if he was, there is still reason for hope.

Summary: It appears that this guy's M.O. is to follow young girls either to or from school and then grab them. Please recall my quoting of the what Tink Thompson (the PI who investigated Anna's case early on) said: The time to snatch a child is during the brief moments that they are out of the sight and control of a responsible adult. He called this window of opportunity "the seam".

[Dr. Doogie]

Here is the new information:

The last name of our tipster who who said that she met Anna three years after her abduction with a man named Bill is...Sharp. She did not indicate that this Bill was a relative - she indicated that she thought that he was a construction worker employed by her father. But both I and SherlockJr independently came to the same opinion at the time when we were in contact with her: that there was something that she was not telling us that she really wanted to say but could not bring herself to. I even asked her at the end of my first conversation with her, "Are you Anna?" She said no and I believe that further evidence showed that she was too old to be Anna, but that is how strong this feeling was that she was holding back some important bit of info.

So, our tipster and Jack Sharp suddenly move to the front of the line in our investigation. I do not want to post any more information about the tipster publicly - this is all based on a hunch and she deserves her privacy if and until it proves neccessary to post her full name. But I think SherlockJr and I need to examine any possible links between our tipster's family and Jack Sharp. An uncle, perhaps?

[Cubby]

Here is the new information:

The last name of our tipster who who said that she met Anna three years after her abduction with a man named Bill is...Sharp. She did not indicate that this Bill was a relative - she indicated that she thought that he was a construction worker employed by her father. But both I and SherlockJr independently came to the same opinion at the time when we were in contact with her: that there was something that she was not telling us that she really wanted to say but could not bring herself to. I even asked her at the end of my first conversation with her, "Are you Anna?" She said no and I believe that further evidence showed that she was too old to be Anna, but that is how strong this feeling was that she was holding back some important bit of info.

So, our tipster and Jack Sharp suddenly move to the front of the line in our investigation. I do not want to post any more information about the tipster publicly - this is all based on a hunch and she deserves her privacy if and until it proves neccessary to post her full name. But I think SherlockJr and I need to examine any possible links between our tipster's family and Jack Sharp. An uncle, perhaps?

Very wise conclusion Doogie. Is there anything I can do to help? If so please post or pm. The last name Sharp, is really intriguing.

[shadowangel]

Sharp was convicted on November 13th, 1974, on two counts of auto theft and two counts of child abduction (the jury couldn't reach a verdict at that time on an addtional count of child molestation). He faced up to 60 years in prison.
I'm still looking for info on the sentencing.

The car he had stolen and was using during the time of the Huber abduction reportedly contained several items of kids' clothing, dolls, and toys...Along with Polaroids with the name Karen Knapp scribbled on the back, as though written by a child. I wonder if little five year-old Karen was capable of that.

[SherlockJr]

Sharp was convicted on November 13th, 1974, on two counts of auto theft and two counts of child abduction (the jury couldn't reach a verdict at that time on an addtional count of child molestation). He faced up to 60 years in prison.
I'm still looking for info on the sentencing.

The car he had stolen and was using during the time of the Huber abduction reportedly contained several items of kids' clothing, dolls, and toys...Along with Polaroids with the name Karen Knapp scribbled on the back, as though written by a child. I wonder if little five year-old Karen was capable of that.


Does anyone have access to the LA Times?
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/645688402.html?dids=645688402:645688402&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Dec+08,+1974&author=&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=Abductor+of+2+Girls+Sentenced+to+Prison&pqatl=google

[Annasmom]

Sharp was convicted on November 13th, 1974, on two counts of auto theft and two counts of child abduction (the jury couldn't reach a verdict at that time on an addtional count of child molestation). He faced up to 60 years in prison.
I'm still looking for info on the sentencing.

The car he had stolen and was using during the time of the Huber abduction reportedly contained several items of kids' clothing, dolls, and toys...Along with Polaroids with the name Karen Knapp scribbled on the back, as though written by a child. I wonder if little five year-old Karen was capable of that.

There was a doll of Anna's that I could never find after she went missing. I had made the doll, so I don't think it got discarded.

[Dr. Doogie]

Annasmom, it would be unlikely that the doll was thrown out considering the items that you did keep.

[shadowangel]

A point that confuses me...According to the articles I've found, Sharp/Knapp was questioned about a stolen car in January of '74. He was arrested but released. It was at this time that Karen was found with him. She was placed into foster care, as LE couldn't find a matching missing persons report for her.
On or around June 20th, Sharp was released after serving a 90-day sentence for child molestation. The next day, he kidnapped Michelle. This means he started serving the sentence on or around March 20th.
For the molestation of whom was he convicted? I had assumed it was for Karen, but that isn't indicated in the articles. The molestation conviction and the kidnapping of Karen seem to be reported as two seperate incidents.

[SherlockJr]

A point that confuses me...According to the articles I've found, Sharp/Knapp was questioned about a stolen car in January of '74. He was arrested but released. It was at this time that Karen was found with him. She was placed into foster care, as LE couldn't find a matching missing persons report for her.
On or around June 20th, Sharp was released after serving a 90-day sentence for child molestation. The next day, he kidnapped Michelle. This means he started serving the sentence on or around March 20th.
For the molestation of whom was he convicted? I had assumed it was for Karen, but that isn't indicated in the articles. The molestation conviction and the kidnapping of Karen seem to be reported as two seperate incidents.

My understanding is Karen was abducted in November 1973. When Sharp/Knapp was arrested, he told LE that Karen was his daughter and that her mother had passed away. They never checked missing children, took his word and placed her in foster care. It wasn't till later that a policeman recognized Karen living with a foster family that she was a missing child. The police called Karen's mother, picked her up in LA and took her to San Diego to see if she was her daughter. Dr. Doogie and I spent some time on the phone with Karen's mother. This Sharp/Knapp guy was very bad as Doogie had mentioned in an earlier post.
So your point about being confused is valid! Who did Sharp/Knapp come into contact prior to Karen?

[shadowangel]

My understanding is Karen was abducted in November 1973. When Sharp/Knapp was arrested, he told LE that Karen was his daughter and that her mother had passed away. They never checked missing children, took his word and placed her in foster care. It wasn't till later that a policeman recognized Karen living with a foster family that she was a missing child. The police called Karen's mother, picked her up in LA and took her to San Diego to see if she was her daughter. Dr. Doogie and I spent some time on the phone with Karen's mother. This Sharp/Knapp guy was very bad as Doogie had mentioned in an earlier post.
So your point about being confused is valid! Who did Sharp/Knapp come into contact prior to Karen?

The news articles of the time state that when Sharp/Knapp was arrested for the abduction of Michelle, the San Diego PD backtracked Sharp's whereabouts and came across the Huber incident. It was then that they put all the pieces together. He was arrested for Michelle's abduction on June 21st. So....There appears to be another girl who was molested during that time (as Karen was simply taken from him and placed in foster care, as far as I can determine).
I had it in mind that this unknown girl was molested between January and March, but it's certainly possible the conviction arose from a previous complaint.

[shadowangel]

Annasmom, it would be unlikely that the doll was thrown out considering the items that you did keep.

I believe I have the name of the vehicle's owner (when it was stolen in '73) who reported the children's items...I'll take a look.

[Dr. Doogie]

From the San Mateo Times, June 28, 1974:

Sharp was arrested under the Knapp alias in January for car theft. He told police the little girl with him — who called him "daddy" —was his daughter. The little girl was put in a children's home. She.said she was Karen Knapp. When Sharp was arrested again for child molesting, Karen was made a ward of the court, put up for adoption and placed in a foster home.

I will try and find it, but I believe the molestation charge was an outstanding warrant from prior to the kidnapping of Karen Huber.

[shadowangel]

(from various CA papers of the time) Sharp, identifying himself as Cecil Russell, was arrested on or around Jan 4th on an auto theft warrant by San Diego PD. It was at this time he was found to have Karen. She was then placed into foster care.
Sharp and two other men, Kenneth Wagand and Allen Damrill, were questioned by a detective from the city of Gardena (where the car had been stolen). The other two men were released, but Sharp was held on a warrant from Los Angeles for suspicion of child molestation. He was convicted and sentenced to 90 days in the county jail.

The owners of the vehicle, a Mr and Mrs Perkins (it is mentioned they moved from Gardena to an address on Havenhurst Ave in Van Nuys) contacted the detective who had handled the auto theft and told him the car had "all kinds of childrens clothing" and toys and dolls (also the Polaroids) which did not belong to them.

It is not stated that the items were collected by LE, though they may have been used as evidence in the abduction/auto theft trial. The raingear that Anna was wearing, if in the vehicle, may stand out in someones' mind.

[SherlockJr]

The owners of the vehicle, a Mr and Mrs Perkins (it is mentioned they moved from Gardena to an address on Havenhurt Ave in Van Nuys) contacted the detective who had handled the auto theft and told him the car had "all kinds of childrens clothing" and toys and dolls (also the Polaroids) which did not belong to them.

It is not stated that the items were collected by LE, though they may have been used as evidence in the abduction/auto theft trial. The raingear that Anna was wearing, if in the vehicle, may stand out in someones' mind.

I don't believe Anna was wearing any raingear that day. If I remember reading what Annasmom said that Anna took off her coat when she came inside, and never put it back on when she went back outside. However, a handmade doll might stick out in someone's mind.

[shadowangel]

Anna's Doe Network entry states she was wearing "black oversized rubber boots". I also recall something else being mentioned, something brightly-colored which was not discovered in the creek (this being something else indicating she had not fallen into the stream).
Or maybe my rememberer is broken.

[SherlockJr]

Anna's Doe Network entry states she was wearing "black oversized rubber boots". I also recall something else being mentioned, something brightly-colored which was not discovered in the creek (this being something else indicating she had not fallen into the stream).
Or maybe my rememberer is broken.

You're right! She was wearing boots. When I hear the word raingear, I only was thinking of raincoats and umbrellas.

[SideKick]

Mentioned on the Sharon Marshall thread: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:8ayKoJ6XKb0J:websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D39611+Karen+Knapp+Foster+home&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=ca

L.B. kidnapper linked to second child victim
Find L.A girl lost 7 months

The second southland child kidnap victim recovered in a week was re-united with her family Thursday as police in three cities tightened the skein of evidence that appears to tie jailed suspect Jack Clifton Sharp to both abductions.

Five year old Karen Joyce Huber of Echo Park, who was kidnapped last November while on her way to school in Los Angeles, was returned to her mother by San Diego police. Officers said the child had been living in a foster home under the name of Karen Knapp placed there by authorities who in January took custody of the child after the man posing as her father was arrested on a car theft warrant.

The man, now identified as Jack Clifton Sharp, is in Los Angeles County jail, held under a 50,000 dollar bond and charged with child stealing and related offenses in the June 17 abduction of 4 year old Michelle Lynn Booher of Long Beach. The Booher child was with Sharp, then known as William Knapp, when he was arrested June 21 in San Diego where he and the girl were discovered living in a hotel for indigents.

San Diego police who returned the Huber girl to her divorced mother Thursday theorized the child had been "brain-washed" to the point where she lost her identity and dociley accepted as her father the man who allegedly kidnapped her from her echo park neiborhood last November 13.

As police in San Diego, Gardenia, and Los Angeles were spurred by Sharp's arrest to revive the Huber case it became apparent that the kidnappings were nearly identical crimes.

In each case, investigators reported, Sharp allegedly stole a car from a bowling alley parking lot and abducted a blue-eyed blonde child who was molested but not harmed. Sharp allegedly took both children to San Diego and told people the girls were his daughters........

[Dr. Doogie]

An observation signifying nothing: The two girls were named Huber and Booher. The names are very similar to each other, just kinda inside-out from each other. Just an odd coincidence... :waitasec:

[shadowangel]

An observation signifying nothing: The two girls were named Huber and Booher. The names are very similar to each other, just kinda inside-out from each other. Just an odd coincidence... :waitasec:

It must have confuzzled the reporters too..I've often seen Karen's name listed as Joyce Lynn Huber (instead of Karen Joyce Huber). Michelle's middle name is Lynn.

[SherlockJr]

Another coincidence is that Sharp/Knapp targeted on girls from divorced parents. This way he could tell them that he was their father and something happened to their mother. Both Anna and Cynthia Sumpter lived with a divorced parent.

[Dr. Doogie]

It must have confuzzled the reporters too...

I know it was confusing me - I kept wanting to correct Huber to Hoober and other variations in spelling. :confused:

[Dr. Doogie]

So what we have is a serial kidnapper of blonde girls about Anna's age who targeted the daughters of divorced parents and took them while either coming or going to school. This all matches or is close to what happened to Anna.

So far, the only potential links to the area are the coincidence of the last names of Sharp and the tipster, and that Sharp evidently lived in the East Bay several decades after Anna's abduction. We need to find a closer link if one exists.

[Dr. Doogie]

I should mention that Sharp would have been in jail on the day that Cynthia Sumpter disappeared from San Jose so he could not have been involved in that abduction.

[SherlockJr]

So far, the only potential links to the area are the coincidence of the last names of Sharp and the tipster, and that Sharp evidently lived in the East Bay several decades after Anna's abduction. We need to find a closer link if one exists.

Doogie, the tipster's last name is not Sharp, but close...

[Dr. Doogie]

Doogie, the tipster's last name is not Sharp, but close...


OOPS! :bang:

Sherlock, please email the correct name. I will be standing in the corner taking a timeout meanwhile...

[Annasmom]

OOPS! :bang:

Sherlock, please email the correct name. I will be standing in the corner taking a timeout meanwhile...
Sorry, Doogie; it was my fault. I should have checked my files instead of depending on my sometimes faulty memory.

[Dr. Doogie]

Alright, the votes are in and I have official been declared an idiot. (The guys over on the Johnny Gosch forum may be right after all.) SherlockJr is correct that the last name of the tipster is NOT Sharp. I turned 50 last June and the good Lord has seen fit to make my brain shrink up to the size of a pea. Next time I will check my notes instead of going from memory...

We still should take a good look at this guy. If we cannot place him in the Bay Area in 1972-73, then he is not our guy. If we can, then he looks promising.

One intriguing aspect to this guy is that one of his aliases was Cecil Russell. Recall that Margaret Kukoda's family reported that she left for California during WWII with her boyfriend named Russell. This Russell was not Brody, so "who was Russell?" remains an unanswered question in this whole affair.

[SherlockJr]

Alright, the votes are in and I have official been declared an idiot. (The guys over on the Johnny Gosch forum may be right after all.) SherlockJr is correct that the last name of the tipster is NOT Sharp. I turned 50 last June and the good Lord has seen fit to make my brain shrink up to the size of a pea. Next time I will check my notes instead of going from memory...

We still should take a good look at this guy. If we cannot place him in the Bay Area in 1972-73, then he is not our guy. If we can, then he looks promising.

One intriguing aspect to this guy is that one of his aliases was Cecil Russell. Recall that Margaret Kukoda's family reported that she left for California during WWII with her boyfriend named Russell. This Russell was not Brody, so "who was Russell?" remains an unanswered question in this whole affair.

First of all, I would never consider you an idiot. You have devoted a lot of your time and efforts into this search.

When Shadowangel brought up the alias Cecil Russell, that was the first time I had heard of this alias. Was Sharp using the alias Russell name before he abducted Karen?

The connection you drew with MK and "Russell", interesting too, I thought the same thing. Then I remembered MK was born in 1917 and Sharp shows a dob in 1930. She would have been 13 yrs his senior, not out of the question. But if MK came to CA in the early 40's with "Russell", then he would have been 10-15 yrs old, unlikely.

Sharp's dob of 1930 would be very close to the tipster stating "Bill" told her that he was 47 in the fall of 1976.

[shadowangel]

From the photos in the newspapers of the time, there is no way that Sharp was born in '30. I know he claimed he was 44, but even the newspapers stated he looked more like 65. I would say he was easily 60.

(Doogie--I'd demand a recount on the idiot vote...I have it on good authority that the child-snatching alien lizards living under Orange County NY rigged the ballot).

[Dr. Doogie]

(Doogie--I'd demand a recount on the idiot vote...I have it on good authority that the child-snatching alien lizards living under Orange County NY rigged the ballot).

SSSHHHH!!!!!

We don't wanna let the lizards know that we are on to them. :silenced:

[SideKick]

Not sure if this would be the same Cecil Russell.

http://www.in.gov/idoc/files/mar06clem.pdf

RUSSELL, CECIL
#866379BCF
MARION COUNTY
BATTERY/HABITUAL
OFFENDER 6
YEARS
SENTENCED: 2/12/02

[Dr. Doogie]

...But if MK came to CA in the early 40's with "Russell", then he would have been 10-15 yrs old, unlikely...

You are correct. However, as Shawangel also mentions, the listed age of 44 for Sharp is very doubtful. I had promised in the past to post a picture of Sharp, but I seem to have failed in that task (that damn pea-brain again!) I will post it over the weekend because I have to convert it from a PDF into a JPG for this forum.

[SherlockJr]

Here Doogie, saved you a little time....

[SherlockJr]

Again, I want to reiterate that I am not an artist or even one who is any good with paint or photoshop, but here's a pic with his glasses removed.
I am printing the article and snail mailing to our tipster to see if she recognizes this man as the "Bill" who came to her home in 1976.

[shadowangel]

Yeah, that guy is 44. Uh huh.

So, in the course of about a year, this guy molested 3 girls that we know of, kidnapping two of them (that we know of). 3 months of that time he was in jail.

He didn't just wake up one day and start a new hobby. Sharp is definitely worth a little investigating.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I totally agree, the man in the picture looks much older than 44 years old, I'd say 60. Though you would think that the Police would have questioned that the little girl with him was actually his daughter, (if he looked that old in person). Maybe it's the picture quality that makes him look older. Interesting about the Russell name. I found one Cecil Russell in the 1930 PA census in a neighboring county to MK at the time. But he was born in 1904. Seems too old to be abducting children at the age of 70 +.

[shadowangel]

Other newspaper photos of the time look the same, even the reporters commented on his age.

The trial for the abductions and auto theft(s) began in October of '74, but were put on hold for a week in November...Sharp had to be hospitalized.
"Severe inflammation of the scrotal area".

I can only hope it hurt like a sumb**ch.

[SherlockJr]

...Sharp had to be hospitalized.
"Severe inflammation of the scrotal area".

I can only hope it hurt like a sumb**ch.

LMAO, I want to comment on this so bad. I'd get banned.

[Julessleuther]

I found this on a Cecil Russell that lived in CA:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/US-OBITS/2004-03/1078545121

and this:

http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&rid=7596132


Was "Russell" supposed to be a first or last name for Margarets friend?

[Dr. Doogie]

Was "Russell" supposed to be a first or last name for Margarets friend?

Unknown. I got the impression that the Kukoda family had never met the man before he showed up with Margaret on thier way to California.

[Julessleuther]

So Russell could have just been a "ride" to CA? DO we know what Margaret was doing while still in PA? Was she working? Maybe Russell was a co-worker? What year did Margaret go to CA again?

[Dr. Doogie]

So Russell could have just been a "ride" to CA? DO we know what Margaret was doing while still in PA? Was she working? Maybe Russell was a co-worker? What year did Margaret go to CA again?

"Russell" was described by the Kukoda family member as a "boyfriend", but memories of a relatively inconsequential event from sixty-plus years ago are understandably sketchy. We do not know what Margaret was doing in PA before the war but it would make sense that she was a nurse there also. (She continued on as a licensed nurse for a few years after the war until her license was revoked for her legal issues.) I believe that she came to California in either 1942 or 1943 to work as a nurse at Letterman Naval Hospital.

[shadowangel]

I thought I may have been on to something...Then again, most likely not...

In June of '73, an 11 year-old girl and her 9 year-old brother were offered $2 each to help a man post handbills on cars in parking lots near Mission Hills. The man, described as being in his 40s-50s with graying hair, dropped off the boy in a parking lot and took off with the girl. She was found a day or two later, drugged, beaten and raped. She survived the attack. The rapist was identified as Robert Lee Ray, who also had a long list of aliases. He was arraigned in October, with a court date of November 13th---right before Karen H was kidnapped.
Ray had a criminal history going back to 1940, including arrests for auto theft and indecent exposure. He also had a lengthy record of sex offenses.
He had married a woman with six kids shortly before kidnapping the Mission Hills girl, and was facing charges for attempted rape of his four teenage step-daughters.

There's nothing else after the October article, just like there's nothing on Sharp/Knapp before the Michelle H kidnapping.

[Annasmom]

I thought I may have been on to something...Then again, most likely not...

In June of '73, an 11 year-old girl and her 9 year-old brother were offered $2 each to help a man post handbills on cars in parking lots near Mission Hills. The man, described as being in his 40s-50s with graying hair, dropped off the boy in a parking lot and took off with the girl. She was found a day or two later, drugged, beaten and raped. She survived the attack. The rapist was identified as Robert Lee Ray, who also had a long list of aliases. He was arraigned in October, with a court date of November 13th---right before Karen H was kidnapped.
Ray had a criminal history going back to 1940, including arrests for auto theft and indecent exposure. He also had a lengthy record of sex offenses.
He had married a woman with six kids shortly before kidnapping the Mission Hills girl, and was facing charges for attempted rape of his four teenage step-daughters.

There's nothing else after the October article, just like there's nothing on Sharp/Knapp before the Michelle H kidnapping.

Is this the Mission Hills near San Diego?

[shadowangel]

No, LA. Ray lived in Canoga Park. It appears, however, he had ties to Alameda in the mid- to late-60's. I'm trying to find more info on that now. (He claimed to be a TV writer, for such shows as "Gilligan's Island". That was untrue, but he was a member of the Writer's Guild in the '60s).

[Dr. Doogie]

There is a Mission Hills in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles very near Canoga Park. Coincidently, I lived in Mission Hills back in the late 1980's. Mission Hills is also very close to Northridge where Annasbro received his BA.

[Dr. Doogie]

Concerning Ray's alledged involvement with Gilligan's Island. It is common for writers to be involved with a project yet not receive an onscreen writing "credit".

[shadowangel]

Investigators spoke to Sherwood Schwartz, the producer of the show, who denied that Ray had any involvement in the writing for the series. He joined the Writer's Guild in '65 while working for something called the California Institute for Better Living, but was suspended for failure to pay dues. He was reinstated to work on one script, but was again suspended in '72 for failure to pay dues again.

[SherlockJr]

I spoke with the tipster who had received the pics of Sharp/Knapp that I sent in the mail. She says this is not the man who visited her home back in 1976.

[Annasmom]

I spoke with the tipster who had received the pics of Sharp/Knapp that I sent in the mail. She says this is not the man who visited her home back in 1976.
I am really heartened that she remembers the face well enough to make that statement, even if (especially if) this isn't the man.

[SideKick]

She must have a remarkable memory, if she surely doesn't recall Sharp/Knapp, I wonder what details she does remember?
Height:
Hair/colour/style:
Approx. age?
Clothing... sounds like alot but she sounds as tho she does have some memories.
No one else in the town would have known about this man? Did the tipster have neighbours?

Anyway of asking her SherlockJr?

[Julessleuther]

Did someone from here post this on rootsweb? Someone is looking for a Robert Russell born Aug 1919 who knew a Margaret Kukoda? Does anyone know for sure if his first name was Robert?

http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/CAFRESNO/2007-07/1184432176

[Julessleuther]

Ok--guess what? There was a Robert Russell born in Dec 22, 1893 in Massachusetts, who died in CA in 1981.

I also found a Robert Russell born Aug 1919, from New York, who died in 1980 in Brevard, FL

I don't know if this means anything at all, but maybe George was a friend of Roberts?


I just realized something---didn't Margaret used to call Brody Bobby? Robert---Bobby???

[Annasmom]

Ok--guess what? There was a Robert Russell born in Dec 22, 1893 in Massachusetts, who died in CA in 1981.

I also found a Robert Russell born Aug 1919, from New York, who died in 1980 in Brevard, FL

I don't know if this means anything at all, but maybe George was a friend of Roberts?


I just realized something---didn't Margaret used to call Brody Bobby? Robert---Bobby???
Yes, she did call him Bobby. In answer to your questions on the new thread, Doogie has put together some approximate dates, based on old San Francisco records, but really we know very little about how Margaret and George met, or how, or where.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Did someone from here post this on rootsweb? Someone is looking for a Robert Russell born Aug 1919 who knew a Margaret Kukoda? Does anyone know for sure if his first name was Robert?

http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/CAFRESNO/2007-07/1184432176

Yes that was me. You will find many of my requests sprinkled around Ancestry & rootsweb, also on dead freds site. Hopefully I'll have more time after harvest to work more on follow-ups.