Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #18

[mahmoo]

Okay..........who's gonna start it and be the first to post on it?

[Skittles]

No, I believe John Edwards made money in personal injury suits. I am sure that one was where a little girl said down on a defective pool drain in a baby pool. She became stuck to the drain and she had to have a portion of her intestines removed due to damage.

Yes, and that swimming pool was in a Cary subdivision.

[momto3kids]

Okay..........who's gonna start it and be the first to post on it?

Go for it...I am laughing so hard I have tears running down my face!

I can only imagine the questioning during this testimony.:confused: What would the husband have done if it was her leg that was broken??:waitasec:

This is just too funny.

[EntreNous]

Her Broken Nose prevented their "Marital Relations"??

NEVERMIND!! - I DON'T WANT TO KNOW what kind of "Marital Relations" they usually had.... BAD VISUAL IMAGES!! :waitasec:

CyberPro

:spit: Well, they're in their 70's if that enhances your visual.

[mahmoo]

:spit: Well, they're in their 70's if that enhances your visual.

um........ew ew ew ew ew

[mahmoo]

no one OVER 60 on the marital relations thread :)

[EntreNous]

Word.

[mahmoo]

Word.

:woohoo:word up :woohoo:

[Just the Fax]

No, I believe John Edwards made money in personal injury suits. I am sure that one was where a little girl said down on a defective pool drain in a baby pool. She became stuck to the drain and she had to have a portion of her intestines removed due to damage.

Edwards was fat and happy in 1997 with his last jury award of $25mm.
Over a 6 year period from 1991, he won over $70mm for his clients.

......+$21,000,000 in his pocket

[raisincharlie]

Hi all,

I believe that Brad did say that he made these trips to the HT on a routine basis in his affidavit.

Well, Brad also seems to think he can prove he gave Nancy $300 every week with bank records too. All that will prove is he withdrew money - not who he actually gave it to or even that he did give it to someone.

[tsfkms]

I was poking around today and found a business card that MM designed for NC. I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

Here's the link:
http://forum.howdesign.com/tm.aspx?m=375163&mpage=1&key=��

[jilly]

Petra...
There is a case that was settled a couple of years ago in Cary....
the husband sued for 'alienation of affection' and won. He sued the other man to who his wife ran off with. The husband was forced into bankruptcy after he spent every dime in trying to save his marriage and get custody of his child so he went after the other man and won the case.

I learned about this a few yrs ago from my Lifetime movie channel!:crazy: Dot Huttlemeyer sued her husband's secretary/mistress after she divorced her husband. I think the jury awarded her $1 million.

[Tink56]

I was poking around today and found a business card that MM designed for NC. I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

Here's the link:
http://forum.howdesign.com/tm.aspx?m=375163&mpage=1&key=��

Great find...from the post by MM...

I did a ID package for a client who owns a personal shopping service. Ive included the business card below.

Background: Urbane (reflecting elegance & sophistication) is a personal shopping service and wardrobe consultant business. Their target demo are women who are mid to late 30's who have lost touch with fashion... tend to be mothers who have lost their identity or are looking to get back into the workforce. (Kind of a "what not to wear" idea)

The hobby-turned-business has become very successful and needed a package to reflect its shopping-style. The bag chords and grommets reflects the (hip/upscale) type of store you would expect to frequent.


I wonder how successful (profitable) the business was really becoming.

More and more complicated....MM's post is dated March 8, 2008...

[Onescout]

um........ew ew ew ew ew

Okay I was out for a while and thought I would check in to see what was up...this has me laughing too hard...on my way to bed you knuckleheads.

[carolinalady]

I was poking around today and found a business card that MM designed for NC. I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

Here's the link:
http://forum.howdesign.com/tm.aspx?m=375163&mpage=1&key=��

Interesting! So is this a loophole regarding her working in the US?

[MoonFlwr]

Interesting! So is this a loophole regarding her working in the US?

Hmm...interesting thought.

[Star12]

Interesting! So is this a loophole regarding her working in the US?

After noticing the date, I kind of thought it was in anticipation of what she could do once she got her card and got away from Brad.

She may have been doing some fashion consulting etc. for her friends and neighbors, and Clea said, hey, Mike could work some marketing things up for you.

Nice job on that card, too.

[Just the Fax]

Interesting! So is this a loophole regarding her working in the US?

She was not employed.
A "personal shopping service" sounds more like a way to make a little cash on the side to help pay for what Brad would not provide.

[carolinalady]

She was not employed.
A "personal shopping service" sounds more like a way to make a little cash on the side to help pay for what Brad would not provide.

If it had taken off as indicated in the above post (sounds like a little more than your friends paying you for painting), I would imagine she'd have to pay taxes on it.

Edited to add: I know nothing about immigration law and am not claiming to. But, it sounds like she was earning income and I am genuinely curious how that relates to her "working" status in the US. Is the law you can't be "employed" or that you can't work?

[carolinalady]

After noticing the date, I kind of thought it was in anticipation of what she could do once she got her card and got away from Brad.

She may have been doing some fashion consulting etc. for her friends and neighbors, and Clea said, hey, Mike could work some marketing things up for you.

Nice job on that card, too.

I agree that it might have been something she could've really pursued post-greencard. From his post though, it sounds like she was doing well w/ it at the present time.

I thought the card was very nice, too.

[fran]

I was poking around today and found a business card that MM designed for NC. I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

Here's the link:
http://forum.howdesign.com/tm.aspx?m=375163&mpage=1&key=��

I don't know how you found it, but good job!

So Nancy was ambitious and had plans to work outside the home or after she was free of Brad.

Good for her!

:)
fran

[momto3kids]

I don't know how you found it, but good job!

So Nancy was ambitious and had plans to work outside the home or after she was free of Brad.

Good for her!

:)
fran


Fran...

I just tried to get to it and it states deleted user by admins. No pict or business card is displaying.

Try it again now and see if this is the case with it. I have tried it several times.

mom

[raisincharlie]

Fran...

I just tried to get to it and it states deleted user by admins. No pict or business card is displaying.

Try it again now and see if this is the case with it. I have tried it several times.

mom

Seems someone is monitoring and did not appreciate the delving into this information. Guess I don't blame them.

[momto3kids]

Seems someone is monitoring and did not appreciate the delving into this information. Guess I don't blame them.

Now we KNOW someone is watching WS for sure!

Someone already has quoted what was stated by MM... hmmm interesting

It is also said the date 8/8/08 it was put on the website...could it be a clue to what NC was always doing shopping or to misguide us?:eek:

[carolinalady]

Now we KNOW someone is watching WS for sure!

Someone already has quoted what was stated by MM... hmmm interesting

It is also said the date 8/8/08 it was put on the website...could it be a clue to what NC was always doing shopping or to misguide us?:eek:

I looked at it earlier. It was originally posted on March 14 not 8/8. It had her listed as a Senior Personal Shopper. It did a phone number and email address on the card.

[raisincharlie]

Now we KNOW someone is watching WS for sure!

Someone already has quoted what was stated by MM... hmmm interesting

It is also said the date 8/8/08 it was put on the website...could it be a clue to what NC was always doing shopping or to misguide us?:eek:

I don't think it was anything nefarious. I just think people don't want their private lives posted on crime forums. Nancy's friends are suffering and should be given the respect due, they do not deserve to be tracked down over the web. Sometimes descretion is a good thing. JMO

[fran]

Rut Roe! Disappeared!?:confused:

Seriously, I just looked at it within the past hour. It was there.

I guess I don't blame them for deleting or hiding it. Live and learn. With the internet, there are NO SECRETS!

FWIW, IF the person who designed the cards is reading here, IMHO,

Very catchy cards, I'm really impressed! I liked them very much! ;)

:)
fran

[bluenoser]

I was poking around today and found a business card that MM designed for NC. I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

Here's the link:
http://forum.howdesign.com/tm.aspx?m=375163&mpage=1&key=��

I dont see it when I click the link, maybe it has been deleted, (or maybe it's just me lol). What type of business was it for? Just curious

[carolinalady]

Rut Roe! Disappeared!?:confused:

Seriously, I just looked at it within the past hour. It was there.

I guess I don't blame them for deleting or hiding it. Live and learn. With the internet, there are NO SECRETS!

FWIW, IF the person who designed the cards is reading here, IMHO,

Very catchy cards, I'm really impressed! I liked them very much! ;)

:)
fran

It looks like Aikohead's account has been deleted, not just the post. So all posts attributed by Aikohead would be gone, including the thread that was posted there when Nancy originally went missing. And the posts that included information about the upcoming beach trip. I haven't verified that by looking at all of those threads, just going on experience from having accounts deleted on other sites.

[momto3kids]

I looked at it earlier. It was originally posted on March 14 not 8/8. It had her listed as a Senior Personal Shopper. It did a phone number and email address on the card.

I didn't see the card or post so I don't know the date. That would make sense to be 3/14/08 when she was needing $$ for various reasons.

This could explain many times she was out at night and maybe some of the expensive items she had purchased($200 jeans). Not saying they weren't hers but now a chance she picked them up for someone she knew was looking for them. I have done that myself...if you find xyz please get it for me and I'll pay you back.

If she was a personal shopper it shows she was trying to make $$.

[carolinalady]

I didn't see the card or post so I don't know the date. That would make sense to be 3/14/08 when she was needing $$ for various reasons.

This could explain many times she was out at night and maybe some of the expensive items she had purchased($200 jeans). Not saying they weren't hers but now a chance she picked them up for someone she knew was looking for them. I have done that myself...if you find xyz please get it for me and I'll pay you back.

If she was a personal shopper it shows she was trying to make $$.

The reason I put the date was b/c in your previous post you put 8/8 and stated maybe it was to misguide people. I wanted to clarify that it was put on that board on 3/14, well before Nancy was murdered.

[fran]

I don't think it was anything nefarious. I just think people don't want their private lives posted on crime forums. Nancy's friends are suffering and should be given the respect due, they do not deserve to be tracked down over the web. Sometimes descretion is a good thing. JMO

I feel kind of bad now, because I looked. I certainly don't want to cause any problems for any of Nancy's friends or loved ones. I guess something as simple as this was, could open a whole can of worms, dragging a number of unsuspecting people in this awful case.

Just in CASE whoever did the cards is reading here, it didn't make me feel Nancy or her friends were doing anything wrong. As a matter of fact it humanized Nancy more and showed that she was industrious and trying to make the best of her situation. She also may have been on the brink of success on her own merit and something that she seemed to love, from all accounts. Fashion.

The one thing I'm happy for Nancy for (I know it sounds weird, due to the circumstances) is that Nancy had so many wonderful friends that stood up for her and are still standing up for her even now. She was in some respects, a very lucky woman. :(

Seriously,
fran

[fran]

The reason I put the date was b/c in your previous post you put 8/8 and stated maybe it was to misguide people. I wanted to clarify that it was put on that board on 3/14, well before Nancy was murdered.

So momto3kids could be right then, that some of Nancy's purchases were for her friends and she was reimbursed for them.

So, I wonder IF Brad found out about her little business and THAT is why he cut her off the credit cards! So she couldn't do her J O B of shopping and getting paid for it.

IMHO, often times women who are in abusive relationships, are NOT staying home by their own free wishes but more to PLEASE their abuser. Sure, now Brad can say she was staying home because it was 'our' decision, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's so.

The timing of printing of these cards and when he took her name off the credit cards is about the same time. Seems Brad was doing everything he could to make sure Nancy had nowhere else to go. No work, no $$, no life! :(

Just sayin'
IMHO
fran

[FlowerChild]

I don't think it was anything nefarious. I just think people don't want their private lives posted on crime forums. Nancy's friends are suffering and should be given the respect due, they do not deserve to be tracked down over the web. Sometimes descretion is a good thing. JMO

Nancy's friends involved THEMSELVES. JA was very involved from the beginning, many were on TV and doing interviews when she was missing and the ones who did affidavits very MUCH involved themselves in a way that makes all they say public - those are public statements, many quite detailed and JA accused Brad in hers.

I am sorry Nancy's friends are under scrutiny but they were/are all involved voluntarily. If they did not want to be so involved they should have been more circumspect in their affidavits or simply refused to do one at all. CC made one simple statement of fact and has not been hounded by anyone. The children are protected (although I'm not sure their current environment is completely healthy either) and LE continues to investigate - but it is fact that much of what LE is investigating is based on statements made by Nancy's friends, they WILL be forced to testify in any trial of BC and if they feel the current attention of WS is uncomfortable, wait until a defense attorney gets ahold of their private lives and a starts to take them apart on the stand.

They were understandably angry and grieving and may have allowed their emotions (at the time) to dictate what they did and said - things often look different with a bit of time and distance - but the horse is already out of the barn and if a case against BC goes forward that horse may stampede all across Cary leaving some ugly damage behind.

It's great to get involved and care about your friends and neighbors but as with most things in life, we should all be ever mindful that today the world can be looking in your window without leaving their living room and complete privacy is an illusion. We all should know what is online about us - and what it says about us. I do research and I can honestly say it's astounding what is online from and about many people. We all need to be careful about protecting ourselves (and our families) online and remember that our electronic footsteps do not fade, but remain, sometimes forever.

My Opinion

[raisincharlie]

Nancy's friends involved THEMSELVES. JA was very involved from the beginning, many were on TV and doing interviews when she was missing and the ones who did affidavits very MUCH involved themselves in a way that makes all they say public - those are public statements, many quite detailed and JA accused Brad in hers.

I am sorry Nancy's friends are under scrutiny but they were/are all involved voluntarily. If they did not want to be so involved they should have been more circumspect in their affidavits or simply refused to do one at all. CC made one simple statement of fact and has not been hounded by anyone. The children are protected (although I'm not sure their current environment is completely healthy either) and LE continues to investigate - but it is fact that much of what LE is investigating is based on statements made by Nancy's friends, they WILL be forced to testify in any trial of BC and if they feel the current attention of WS is uncomfortable, wait until a defense attorney gets ahold of their private lives and a starts to take them apart on the stand.

They were understandably angry and grieving and may have allowed their emotions (at the time) to dictate what they did and said - things often look different with a bit of time and distance - but the horse is already out of the barn and if a case against BC goes forward that horse may stampede all across Cary leaving some ugly damage behind.

It's great to get involved and care about your friends and neighbors but as with most things in life, we should all be ever mindful that today the world can be looking in your window without leaving their living room and complete privacy is an illusion. We all should know what is online about us - and what it says about us. I do research and I can honestly say it's astounding what is online from and about many people. We all need to be careful about protecting ourselves (and our families) online and remember that our electronic footsteps do not fade, but remain, sometimes forever.

My Opinion

I don't believe in the Nancy Grace approach, it is disgusting.

[RaleighNC]

Flowerchild - I think you are WAYYYYY too rational to have that username.

Most excellent post.

[FlowerChild]

I didn't see the card or post so I don't know the date. That would make sense to be 3/14/08 when she was needing $$ for various reasons.

This could explain many times she was out at night and maybe some of the expensive items she had purchased($200 jeans). Not saying they weren't hers but now a chance she picked them up for someone she knew was looking for them. I have done that myself...if you find xyz please get it for me and I'll pay you back.

If she was a personal shopper it shows she was trying to make $$.
What if Nancy did get items for others with her credit cards and they paid her for them, but Nancy did NOT apply the payments for the items (not her fee, the ITEMS) to the credit card bills and spent the money on other things not in the family budget?

So perhaps Nancy shopped with her Credit Card, bought items for clients and they reimbursed her for those items (and her fee) in cash and then Nancy spent ALL that money on other purchases (not household expenses) and did not put ANY (or very little) back toward the rapidly mounting Credit Card debt.

Having her own business is a great idea IF she was running it as a business and covering all of the expenses of the business with the proceeds. If Nancy was using personal credit cards to make client purchases and that credit card was carrying a huge balance then even if she was paid a fee for her work by the client, the business might have LOST MONEY bottom line because of the interest rate on the credit card balance eating up more than Nancy's fee each month.

I think we need to look at all the info with a well rounded approach that sees the potential positives AND negatives.

My Opinion

[FlowerChild]

I don't believe in the Nancy Grace approach, it is disgusting.
I don't either, but we have to be realistic - a lot of people out there DO believe in the Nancy Grace approach and everything on the internet is by nature PUBLIC unless we take steps to make it PRIVATE.

My Opinion

[pamlet]

I think the info that Nancy had a business throws an entirely new group of people that LE is going to have to look at ... well at least a few more ... It also brings up that even more money was running through the household ... which are more rabbit trails to follow ...

I also think it's interesting because she didn't have a green card and that throws even MORE legal aspects on things ...

I really am on the fence regarding Brad because he IS a tech guy and they just do things differently (I'm married to one... :crazy:) As a couple they were clearly caught up in a lifestyle that can be hard to keep up with ... they obviously had differing opinions on how to do that... I find it hard to see him as abusive - as from everything we've read Nancy was EXTREMELY independant ...

[Star12]

We do not know that NC had a business. We know that MM designed a really spiffy card for her. She could have been planning for the eventuality of a business.

No point in worrying about income and taxes.

Could be someone asked NC last March about what she was going to do after the divorce, they talked about it, and MM surprised her with a design for some marketing materials for the future.

Any other locals ever hear of this business?

[carolinalady]

We do not know that NC had a business. We know that MM designed a really spiffy card for her. She could have been planning for the eventuality of a business.

No point in worrying about income and taxes.

Could be someone asked NC last March about what she was going to do after the divorce, they talked about it, and MM surprised her with a design for some marketing materials for the future.

Any other locals ever hear of this business?

No, we don't know that she is the client that owned the business. It could be she was going to work for the business post greencard.

I've never heard of the business (I'm in Raleigh, though, not Cary).

[d99gr81]

i think brad forgot to list the reason why she wouldn't have sex with him; didn't nancy find out about an affair and refused to have sex with him after that?

i think one of the reasons that brad's lawyers want the autopsy made public is that there may have been a sexual assault committed against nancy.

for some reason brad thinks that would point away from him.

the body may have been staged to look like nancy had been assaulted near where her body was found.

When my ex was cheating she with held sex from me and used it to manipulate me. So just because he states they had not had sex in 2 plus years doesn't mean its because HE did something. Honestly I am against cheating...period because I have lived through it...but if my wife with holds sex for almost 3 years I can see how easy it would be to feel a need to find someone else.



Oh, I wasn't aware of that.

I wonder why computers aren't listed....

I also wonder the significance of the coffee maker. I mean, it must be one heck of a coffee maker, no? Must have been a sticking point for some reason.

Sorry but you guys are talking about a Sep Agreement that was probably a 1st or second draft. The thin is not signed so you cant just assume that was what the agreement was going to be...not even close.

[MtnMom]

Sorry,
I have no idea if this has been posted- I fall behind on weekends! Wonder why there was a subpoena for Time Warner Cable from Brad? Whats that about?

[Topsail Girl]

d99 I can tell you from experience (mine with an ex) that men who cheat usually do NOT stop having sex with the wife. They just add that to the talley IMO. Genreally IMO a woman has an affair for emotional reasons and withholds sex for various reasons. A man OTOH has affairs because of sex. Sometimes it is because of emotional reasons but not most. When I asked my ex why he had yet another affair (the 4th) his answer was he couldn't help himself because she "wanted" him so badly. That was his explanation pretty much for all four come to think of it. All I'm saying is is Brad and Nancy had not had sex in 2 years I tend to believe that in Nancy's mind there was some emotional reasons she was refusing. This is all my opinion of course. Not to mention men tend to stretch the truth when it comes to sex or lack there of too.

[Topsail Girl]

Sorry,
I have no idea if this has been posted- I fall behind on weekends! Wonder why there was a subpoena for Time Warner Cable from Brad? Whats that about?

No valid reason has been given but IMO their internet service was through TW and that is the reason for the subpoena.

[momto3kids]

Sorry,
I have no idea if this has been posted- I fall behind on weekends! Wonder why there was a subpoena for Time Warner Cable from Brad? Whats that about?

Some are thinking it is for phone & internet records.

Hold....
I just checked my Cary phone book...
Brad & Nancy had a (Bellsouth) now AT&T phone number so it wasn't TWC.

There is a Brad Cooper...no address listed... the 1st 3 digits are not identical but same area of the Brad and Nancy number.

[carolinalady]

No valid reason has been given but IMO their internet service was through TW and that is the reason for the subpoena.

The business card image that has now been deleted had a TWC email address listed.

[carolinalady]

Some are thinking it is for phone & internet records.

Hold....
I just checked my Cary phone book...
Brad & Nancy had a (Bellsouth) now AT&T phone number so it wasn't TWC.

There is a Brad Cooper...no address listed... the 1st 3 digits are not identical but same area of the Brad and Nancy number.

How can you tell from the phone book? Just curious as I didn't realize it indicated the phone provider.

Edited to add: The reason I'm asking is b/c one of my family members has TWC for their phone and it still is in the BellSouth phonebook. I don't see anything different. In fact, it's the same number they had years ago when they had their service through BellSouth.

[momto3kids]

Some are thinking it is for phone & internet records.

Hold....
I just checked my Cary phone book...
Brad & Nancy had a (Bellsouth) now AT&T phone number so it wasn't TWC.

There is a Brad Cooper...no address listed... the 1st 3 digits are not identical but same area of the Brad and Nancy number.

I just did a reverse of Brad Cooper with no address listed in the phone book...
it is NOT the Brad Cooper married to Nancy.

[Topsail Girl]

How can you tell from the phone book? Just curious as I didn't realize it indicated the phone provider.

I'm not sure about that. The reason I say that is because I was with Bell South with my current phone number for 10 plus years. just this past January we switched to TWC and I still have my same number. Something to do with number portability....

ETA - just saw your post about a family member

[MtnMom]

I did not even think about internet and phone records. DUH!!
Thanks everyone!

[carolinalady]

I'm not sure about that. The reason I say that is because I was with Bell South with my current phone number for 10 plus years. just this past January we switched to TWC and I still have my same number. Something to do with number portability....

You're right, it's the phone number portability. But, I didn't realize that by looking in the phone book you could tell the provider.

My family members are still in the phone book even though they have TWC phone and I don't see any notation showing it's serviced by TWC.

[momto3kids]

How can you tell from the phone book? Just curious as I didn't realize it indicated the phone provider.

Edited to add: The reason I'm asking is b/c one of my family members has TWC for their phone and it still is in the BellSouth phonebook. I don't see anything different. In fact, it's the same number they had years ago when they had their service through BellSouth.

AT&T has AT&T user names, address and phone numbers. I have not seen anyone with TWC phone number listed in AT&T. We have friends with TWC and they aren't listed in AT&T. Of course someone might know different, but this is from my experience with TWC #'s

[Topsail Girl]

You're right, it's the phone number portability. But, I didn't realize that by looking in the phone book you could tell the provider.

My family members are still in the phone book even though they have TWC phone and I don't see any notation showing it's serviced by TWC.


Hmmm me neither....I'll look at my other phone book when I get home from work to see if it notes differences.

[carolinalady]

AT&T has AT&T user names, address and phone numbers. I have not seen anyone with TWC phone number listed in AT&T. We have friends with TWC and they aren't listed in AT&T. Of course someone might know different, but this is from my experience with TWC #'s

I'm looking at the Raleigh phone book right now. My family members are all in there and they've had their service w/ TWC for almost 2 years. So, that would be long enough for the phone book to be updated.

[Topsail Girl]

AT&T has AT&T user names, address and phone numbers. I have not seen anyone with TWC phone number listed in AT&T. We have friends with TWC and they aren't listed in AT&T. Of course someone might know different, but this is from my experience with TWC #'s


AAAHHH Ok I get what you're saying now. So since TW doesn't have their own phone books published most likely their customers will sill be listed in the Bell South phone books. Customers who switched from Bell South to AT&T have their own phone books now, correct?

[carolinalady]

AAAHHH Ok I get what you're saying now. So since TW doesn't have their own phone books published most likely their customers will sill be listed in the Bell South phone books. Customers who switched from Bell South to AT&T have their own phone books now, correct?

BellSouth is now AT&T and the phone book I am looking in the Raleigh AT&T phone book. It says "Do Not Recycle Before March 2009" so it is the current phone book.

[Topsail Girl]

BellSouth is now AT&T and the phone book I am looking in the Raleigh AT&T phone book. It says "Do Not Recycle Before March 2009" so it is the current phone book.

Yes you are right. We only switched in January and I already had my new phone book so mine is a Bell South phone book. It all gets sooo confusing LOL

Sorry Carolinalady I forgot that Bell South is now AT&T to make it all even more confusing LOL

[macd]

I agree BC wants to get phone records from TW.

He has claimed N made a phone call from the house to his cell phone at 6:40am. Perhaps TW will have a log made showing that call was originated from the house.

To get a conviction, the prosecutor will need to show that that call was faked in some way.

[KTaylorsc]

not sure if this is the same scott heider or not but looks like he is an ironman too.

http://triresults.com/Result_Details.cfm?participant_id=125687&event_year_id=207

[RaleighNC]

if I remember the posting correctly, MM had said that the card owner's business had grown where she needed this. Sounds like it was already in the works and up and running to a certain extent.

Interesting theory about paying for stuff with the family cc, and then getting a cash reimbursement. it would provide a back door way for her to continue to indulge in what Brad considered to be excesses and not limit herself to a budget.

I have to say that the more that I see / hear / read paints a picture not of a woman controlled - but of very nasty divorce proceedings with Nancy already circling the wagons to maintain custody of the "friends".

The tension in that household had to be unbearable. It was obvious that the relationship was over for quite some time if brad's statement about sex is to be believed. The tension over money had to be escalating if they were not getting along - any dime she spent on something he considered "frivolous" would probably make him even angrier. It may be that she purposely pushed his buttons with that regard - I have thought for some time that the separation agreement was oddly aggressive coming from someone that was supposedly scared of him.

IMO - this marriage should have dissolved months ago - it was over.

The type of passive aggressive mind games that were probably going on by both sides is making me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.

Having been there - when I knew it was over, I made it happen. I also gave up WAY more than I should have. I left the house, but still paid 1/2 the expenses (no kids, BTW), didn't argue about any "thing", just wanted it DONE. Wanted the communication to stop, wanted the mid games to stop, the subtle threats, etc. My ex circled the wagons and went to each and every friend we had and told his side of the story (leaving out key items, of course), told lies, threatened to try to get me fired from my job by telling lies, called my family - REPEATEDLY.

I say all of this not to condone one party in a divorce ending up dead, obviously... but to say that sometimes getting out with whatever you can - and not dragging this out - especially in an instance of one spouse earning all the money, and not being able to work, and not having any family in this country - damn - if she could have only just left.

[KTaylorsc]

Here's a race in 2005 that SH and BC did together. Scott finished 10th...BC finished 65th?

http://www.runnc.com/Sites/7/results/woodlaketri05.html

I also found another site that has SH and Heather on a team in 2007. Heather is listed as Heather Metour

[Topsail Girl]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. When I finally came to my senses and divorced my ex I made him sign our separation agreement admitting that he had committed adultery multiple time. I also made him give me sole custody of our daughter. He knew I had him by the kahones so he gave me whatever I wanted and trust me I was very aggressive with what I asked for. I had proof of two affairs and more than enough CE for the other two.

Nancy had proof that Brad had an affair. At least one that we know of and rumor is there were more. She may have had proof of more than one - we don't know. Maybe Brad was giving her pretty much what she wanted to just " shut up and go away" so to speak. Some how the waiting and/or the mind games got the best of him and before he knew it he had killed her in a fit of anger.

[EntreNous]

But it looks like he finish 8th in his age/sex group. Of course Scott finished second in that same group.

This situation is looking sadder and sadder with each new discovery. I feel sad for everyone involved.

It's looking ever more clear that BC & NC were picking and needling each other until maybe somebody snapped.

[Roy23]

What time is the hearing today?

[raisincharlie]

What time is the hearing today?

Roy, if you are refering to the Grand Jury - not real sure of the hours they meet.

[fran]

You have the story of a woman who, according to her friends, was abused (verbally) and controlled by her husband and she ended up murdered. Then you have the alleged abuser spreading stories about his murdered wife and even hauls his friends in to give their :twocents: and to then begin trashing the murdered wife's friends as well.

For all intents and purposes, no matter how much one tries to justify this recently widowed husband's actions since his wife was found murdered, there is NO good enough excuse for his actions. IMHO, the ONLY REASON he's acting this way is he knows he has a target on his back and he's trying to deflect the appearance of guilt by BLAMING the VICTIM. ALL of his life's woes were caused by his recently deceased wife. She was the root of evil. She spent all his money, made him help take care of his kids, made him follow her to the gas station so he could put gas in her car, she told her parents about their marital problems, and oh gosh!! She even told her friends.:boohoo:

I think Mr. Brad Cooper has forgotten to check the fine print of that transcript of this developing drama. He forgot the part where an abuser blames everything on the abused. See, he's playing right into the hands of a 'stereotype,' typical batterer,...... blueprint of an abuser,........

FWIW, even after an abuser beats the living cra* out of his helpless wife, he'll tell her, 'See what you made me do?' Yeah,.........TYPICAL..

All anyone has to do is look up all of the studies available about domestic violence, spousal abuse, familial homicide,.........it's all there. Typical, SOP of an abuser. The psychiatrists on the LE payroll have probably already done a work-up phsyc on Brad for local LE. They now know what they're dealing with.

I don't believe for a minute, Brad was giving Nancy everything she wanted. Nancy was FORCED to stay with that man. Why? Because he wouldn't let her take the children so she had to stay.

He held all the money
He held the kids hostage
He had the legal status in the U.S., Nancy did NOT have legal status SEPARATE from Brad. Her legal residency here was connected directly to her husband.

To ME, this explains why Nancy had not left this guy. He held her hostage in the U.S.A. She was stuck until she could get, either the kids passports back, or her green card. Those of us who are U.S. citizens would have most likely left the guy a year or so sooner, but being a non Citizen, IMO, puts and entirely different light on the situation. One most of us here have had no experience with.

IT seems her friends have tried to get this information out, but many don't believe them. Why? Because Brad says so,............and Nancy has been silenced.

By all appearances, Nancy was trying to do things legally so she didn't get deported and lose custody of the children in the process. SHE wanted her babies. Brad just wanted them as possessions. They were his! and no one was going to have them but him. Why? Because he could....He knew how to do it and make Nancy look like the bad guy.

Sorry folks, I don't believe anything Brad has said. IMO, there's another side to each and every #'d item on his affidavit, and I would be willing to bet most of them, when the truth is revealed, Brad Cooper manipulated the situation and he's NOT innocent in this marriage and IMHO, this case.:mad:

JMHO
fran

[EntreNous]

Oh, no Fran. I don't feel sorry for BC if he did this. There's no excuse. I guess what I mean is I feel sad for the situation. Ya, know? Like, what a waste.

[momto3kids]

I'm looking at the Raleigh phone book right now. My family members are all in there and they've had their service w/ TWC for almost 2 years. So, that would be long enough for the phone book to be updated.

I looked this up on phonenumber .com. BC number and my phone number is listed with the same provider...south central bell.

I am AT&T or as I will always say Bellsouth.

Two different couples I know are not in the phone book, have TWC service. One had it since 11/06, the other since 7/07. They moved here and never had Bellsouth. On this website they are listed, but with different providers than BC and my provider.

I don't know if he changed sometime this past year and phonenumber.com has not updated it yet, which is possible IMO

If BC has Bellsouth then I wonder why K&B aren't going after those records?

[Topsail Girl]

I feel sad for all family members and friends for sure but I'm afraid at this point I have no sympathy for Brad. If he's found not guilty then I'll be the first one to admit I'm heartless but until then he can do without my sympathy.

[Topsail Girl]

Roy, if you are refering to the Grand Jury - not real sure of the hours they meet.

Hey Bubba :) If I remember from another poster it's 9 to 5. Each case gets about three or four minutes to present evidence and then a vote is taken. I'm not 100% sure on the times but I believe it to be 9 to 5 or 9 to 4.

[Jess]

There are many things about this case that I find odd. The pre emptive strikes by the defense lawyer is one of them. Perhaps in other cases, records have been subpoenaed before a client is even named a POI , but I haven't heard of it. Has anyone else ??

[carolinalady]

I looked this up on phonenumber .com. BC number and my phone number is listed with the same provider...south central bell.

I am AT&T or as I will always say Bellsouth.

Two different couples I know are not in the phone book, have TWC service. One had it since 11/06, the other since 7/07. They moved here and never had Bellsouth. On this website they are listed, but with different providers than BC and my provider.

I don't know if he changed sometime this past year and phonenumber.com has not updated it yet, which is possible IMO

If BC has Bellsouth then I wonder why K&B aren't going after those records?

I looked up my family members on there as well and it lists South Central Bell. They are definitely w/ TWC, so I don't think we can necessarily trust that.

Also, maybe the people aren't listed b/c they have unlisted phone numbers?

Edited to add: I checked my own personal cell phone number. It has it listed as being w/ Verizon which I haven't had in 3 years. So, I definitely don't think it's accurate.

[momto3kids]

I looked up my family members on there as well and it lists South Central Bell. They are definitely w/ TWC, so I don't think we can necessarily trust that.

Also, maybe the people aren't listed b/c they have unlisted phone numbers?

If your family is listed the same then there goes that thought. One of them I am sure isn't...they have a side line business and I am sure they want their # out there. Maybe they missed the cut off date to be included this years in the phone directory. Thanks for looking.

So I will take it TWC is for phone and internet for sure now.

[carolinalady]

There are many things about this case that I find odd. The pre emptive strikes by the defense lawyer is one of them. Perhaps in other cases, records have been subpoenaed before a client is even named a POI , but I haven't heard of it. Has anyone else ??

I think what makes this different is the custody situation. So, we really don't know what the attorneys plan on using this information for. Is it "getting ducks in a row" for custody, criminal, or both?

[Roy23]

Hey Bubba :) If I remember from another poster it's 9 to 5. Each case gets about three or four minutes to present evidence and then a vote is taken. I'm not 100% sure on the times but I believe it to be 9 to 5 or 9 to 4.



Thanks to both of you.

[carolinalady]

If your family is listed the same then there goes that thought. One of them I am sure isn't...they have a side line business and I am sure they want their # out there. Maybe they missed the cut off date to be included this years in the phone directory. Thanks for looking.

So I will take it TWC is for phone and internet for sure now.

Well it would fit w/ VoIP, right? I don't understand the Cisco system and would need d99gr81 to let us know how the TWC phone and a Cisco system would work together.

[fran]

There are many things about this case that I find odd. The pre emptive strikes by the defense lawyer is one of them. Perhaps in other cases, records have been subpoenaed before a client is even named a POI , but I haven't heard of it. Has anyone else ??

Actually, no I have never seen a defense lawyer seek records before the fact (of his client being charged).

LOL, well, ya know, like they say 'follow the money,' IMO, here we'll follow the subpoenas. IMHO, whatever they're trying to get, BC is most likely worried about.:bang: He's gotta 'think up' what to say in response. LOL, guess he just doesn't realize that 1,2,3,4, even 5 items can be explained away as,.....yeah, coincidence. (although they say there's no coincidence when it comes to MURDER)

But I'm willing to bet behind the scenes LE has probably already got the 'circumstances' at more than 20. :mad:

LOTS of criminals are convicted on circumstantial evidence. LOTS.....:behindbar Even sentenced to DEATH!!:eek:

JMHO
fran

[fran]

Oh, no Fran. I don't feel sorry for BC if he did this. There's no excuse. I guess what I mean is I feel sad for the situation. Ya, know? Like, what a waste.

That's the thing about these types of cases, EntreNous. There will be NO WINNERS here, no matter who the perp ends up being. :(

fran

ps....I wasn't referring to you or any particular poster in my previous post. It was just generalities. It seems that no matter what, Nancy can't win many of the public's opinion even in death. :(

[fran]

I think what makes this different is the custody situation. So, we really don't know what the attorneys plan on using this information for. Is it "getting ducks in a row" for custody, criminal, or both?

Yeah, it's kinda' like the attorney having on his website for people to call him if they have any information about the Nancy Cooper case.

Little bit of de ja vu of the SPeterson case. They had a Peterson website and LE tested them and gave them a tip.........it was NEVER turned over to LE.:mad:

I don't know where this lawyer is getting is ideas, but he's playing a very dangerous game with his clients life, POI, suspect, or not.:eek:

JMHO
fran

[carolinalady]

Yeah, it's kinda' like the attorney having on his website for people to call him if they have any information about the Nancy Cooper case.

Little bit of de ja vu of the SPeterson case. They had a Peterson website and LE tested them and gave them a tip.........it was NEVER turned over to LE.:mad:

I don't know where this lawyer is getting is ideas, but he's playing a very dangerous game with his clients life, POI, suspect, or not.:eek:

JMHO
fran

I think the request for info on the attorneys' website is horrible. Definitely not a good idea!

[momto3kids]

Well it would fit w/ VoIP, right? I don't understand the Cisco system and would need d99gr81 to let us know how the TWC phone and a Cisco system would work together.


I know nothing about VoIP and will be the 1st to admit it.
The Real White Pages AT&T phone book...go to page 4...Local Service Providers
On the very bottom it has WORLD VoIP NETWORK listed and the numbers of contact. I do not know if this is what you are asking about, but this I did see while flipping the pages today.

[carolinalady]

I know nothing about VoIP and will be the 1st to admit it.
The Real White Pages AT&T phone book...go to page 4...Local Service Providers
On the very bottom it has WORLD VoIP NETWORK listed and the numbers of contact. I do not know if this is what you are asking about, but this I did see while flipping the pages today.

I think TWC phone is a VoIP service. I could be very, very wrong as I haven't a clue about VoIP.

Edited to add info from TWC's website (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/site.faqs/DigitalPho/DigitalPho/Is-Digital-Phone-a-VoIP-servic)

Q: Is Digital Phone a VoIP service?
A: While Digital Phone is an IP-based telephony service, unlike most Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers, it is managed over Time Warner Cable’s private IP network so customers’ calls never touch the public Internet.

[momto3kids]

Yeah, it's kinda' like the attorney having on his website for people to call him if they have any information about the Nancy Cooper case.

Little bit of de ja vu of the SPeterson case. They had a Peterson website and LE tested them and gave them a tip.........it was NEVER turned over to LE.:mad:

I don't know where this lawyer is getting is ideas, but he's playing a very dangerous game with his clients life, POI, suspect, or not.:eek:

JMHO
fran

I did not follow the SPeterson case like you did. Isn't it interesting to now go back and reread K&B and see things like...we implore you to come forward and speak with us. .

With the LE so active on this fresh case what purpose is there to derail someone to them?:confused:
I can understand if this case had gone cold, but this is certainly not the issue here.

What a RED flag IMO

[momto3kids]

I think TWC phone is a VoIP service. I could be very, very wrong as I haven't a clue about VoIP.

Edited to add info from TWC's website (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/site.faqs/DigitalPho/DigitalPho/Is-Digital-Phone-a-VoIP-servic)

Wonderful find IMO:clap:

[fran]

I think TWC phone is a VoIP service. I could be very, very wrong as I haven't a clue about VoIP.

Edited to add info from TWC's website (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/site.faqs/DigitalPho/DigitalPho/Is-Digital-Phone-a-VoIP-servic)

Yes, this is a terrific find. So let me understand, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong. I am NO techy!

VoIP is merely a way to control your phone and even network, through your pc and internet?

VoIP is controlled by routers, supplied by someone like Cisco?

VoIP phone calls are detectable once they hit the 'public wires?'

There are ways to hide or go undetected using VoIP, but once it hits the public domain there's no way to hide the activity?

So.......IF TWC doesn't go through the regular worldwide internet, but TWC, does that mean it can be 'altered, changed, falsified?'

I know this sounds complicated and that I don't know what I'm talking about. LOL, and I don't. :confused:

JMHO
fran

[fran]

I did not follow the SPeterson case like you did. Isn't it interesting to now go back and reread K&B and see things like...we implore you to come forward and speak with us. .

With the LE so active on this fresh case what purpose is there to derail someone to them?:confused:
I can understand if this case had gone cold, but this is certainly not the issue here.

What a RED flag IMO

IMVHO, IF they didn't want to give the impression of attempting to hide any possible leads that could guide LE to the REAL killer, they should have just referred any tips to call the PD.......

Perhaps they may want to change it. ;)

fran

[momto3kids]

Depending on if the GJ ends at 4pm or 5pm, I would say it is done for the day since it is past 5. I would think the media is close by just hoping if anything was brought forward from the LE they catch wind of it.

The Jan. 08 murder here in Cary, the arrest was done 1 month later once the body of the wife was found.

This has been close to a month, but maybe just not quite long enough to present any info to the GJ.

[fran]

I thought at the least, they'd have enough probable cause to at least start everything rolling. But maybe not. Or,........they want it ALL before arresting him.

LOL, bet Brad is breathing a sigh of relief! ;)

JMHO
fran

PS...Oh, next gj is Aug 25.

[raisincharlie]

I thought at the least, they'd have enough probable cause to at least start everything rolling. But maybe not. Or,........they want it ALL before arresting him.

LOL, bet Brad is breathing a sigh of relief! ;)

JMHO
fran

PS...Oh, next gj is Aug 25.

The day isn't over yet Fran, still could happen. It has been 16 days since the last warrant - wonder if they are getting slicker at hiding warrants so Ed Crump can't find them, or they just haven't needed anymore warrants.

[EntreNous]

If I was Brad I'd be as nervous as a cat right about now.

[fran]

The day isn't over yet Fran, still could happen. It has been 16 days since the last warrant - wonder if they are getting slicker at hiding warrants so Ed Crump can't find them, or they just haven't needed anymore warrants.

OK, I'm lost. Who's 'Ed Crump?'

Wouldn't we know by now if there was anything happening? I mean it's late there, right? Going on 7 p.m.

or.........do they do secret grand juries there?

Have you ever seen them indict someone and no one knows until the arrest?

fran

[fran]

If I was Brad I'd be as nervous as a cat right about now.

I hope he IS NERVOUS! :woohoo:

Never no what these lawmen will do!:eek:

fran

[raisincharlie]

OK, I'm lost. Who's 'Ed Crump?'

Wouldn't we know by now if there was anything happening? I mean it's late there, right? Going on 7 p.m.

or.........do they do secret grand juries there?

Have you ever seen them indict someone and no one knows until the arrest?

fran

Ed Crump - ABC 11 in Raleigh - broke the story about the sealed warrants on Cisco and the undisclosed location.


Yes, it is possible no one knows, except LE and maybe a lawyer if the suspect has a lawyer, until the arrest is made...


I don't think it will happen but it is still possible.

[carolinalady]

Off topic

RC, did you see that Donald Stephens resealed the sw's in Michelle Young's case for 10 more days. He ruled this past Friday. I posted the link her MY's media thread.

[raisincharlie]

Off topic

RC, did you see that Donald Stephens resealed the sw's in Michelle Young's case for 10 more days. He ruled this past Friday. I posted the link her MY's media thread.

I had not seen that but checked out the link you posted. 10 more days and then they will be publically released - very interesting. Have been wanting to see those warrants. Thanks for the heads up. :) Sure wish LE would solve that case, it has been too long without justice for Michelle.

Same judge by the way who just refused to open the warrants in this case.

[jilly]

I had not seen that but checked out the link you posted. 10 more days and then they will be publically released - very interesting. Have been wanting to see those warrants. Thanks for the heads up. :) Sure wish LE would solve that case, it has been too long without justice for Michelle.

I think we need Ed Crump on the case!
Ten days? Wonder why just 10 more days. I'm going over to read the link. Thanks Carolinalady!

[CARYISHOME]

Well....we've done all kinds of speculating here. What is keeping LE from arresting BC? What???? What are they missing?

Could he be innocent?

[raisincharlie]

Well....we've done all kinds of speculating here. What is keeping LE from arresting BC? What???? What are they missing?

Could he be innocent?

Could be the lab results aren't back, could be all that stuff collected from his office, home and the infamous undisclosed location has not been completely checked, could be a forensic accountant is not finished, could be...and so on.

[CARYISHOME]

Could be the lab results aren't back, could be all that stuff collected from his office, home and the infamous undisclosed location has not been completely checked, could be a forensic accountant is not finished, could be...and so on.

Yeah, I know...I'm just so impatient and really thought it would be a slam dunk. I have conducted investigations (not murder - more of the forensic accounting type) before and know sometimes it takes a lot longer than one might think.

I just really thought something would have happened by now.

[SleuthSayer]

Yes, this is a terrific find. So let me understand, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong. I am NO techy!

VoIP is merely a way to control your phone and even network, through your pc and internet?

VoIP is controlled by routers, supplied by someone like Cisco?

VoIP phone calls are detectable once they hit the 'public wires?'

There are ways to hide or go undetected using VoIP, but once it hits the public domain there's no way to hide the activity?

So.......IF TWC doesn't go through the regular worldwide internet, but TWC, does that mean it can be 'altered, changed, falsified?'

I know this sounds complicated and that I don't know what I'm talking about. LOL, and I don't. :confused:

JMHO
fran

IP is Internet Protocol. It is the fundamental "language" for the Internet. It is also used by many (most) businesses for their internal networks or "intranets".

VoIP is Voice-over-IP. The idea is that instead of using a separate telephone network (think Ma Bell here), your voice calls go over networks that are speaking IP.

Many businesses are moving to VoIP for their internal phone systems. There is tremendous savings in doing this. They already have IP based networks for their data communications. So, if they run their voice over these same networks, they save money on infrastructure and maintenance.

You can also use VoIP for your home phone. If you do this, your calls go in and out of your house over your Internet connection rather than over some separate phone connection. You buy home Internet service from some provider such as Time Warner, Charter, Bellsouth DSL, etc, etc. Then you buy VoIP service from any of a number of VoIP providers. Now, Time Warner does provide VoIP service as well (they call it "Digital Phone). So, if you live in a Time Warner service area, you can buy your Internet service from them and your VoIP service as well.

My guess would be that the Coopers had Time Warner's VoIP service and the subpoena is to get the call records for that service.

I'm not following your points about "altered, changed, falsified" or hiding things with VoIP.

[CARYISHOME]

Am I the only one here?

[raisincharlie]

Yeah, I know...I'm just so impatient and really thought it would be a slam dunk. I have conducted investigations (not murder - more of the forensic accounting type) before and know sometimes it takes a lot longer than one might think.

I just really thought something would have happened by now.

I would not be surprised to see this go for a while before there is an arrest. I just think there is much to go through - computers, phone records and so on and then the lab turn around time of 60 days - it's going to take some time I'm afraid. I'd rather they take their time and make sure rather than to jump the shark.

[Skittles]

Am I the only one here?

Nope.

[CyberPro]

Well it would fit w/ VoIP, right? I don't understand the Cisco system and would need d99gr81 to let us know how the TWC phone and a Cisco system would work together.

Think of TWC as just the Internet provider. They provide the connectivity to the Internet. Now, they also sell their VOIP Service, but that does not mean that you cannot use other providers service. I have TWC and I use their VOIP, but I also have Vonage that I use too, on the same connection, and at the same time.

Cisco is a bit different in that you have to have a specific switch for the Cisco phone to work with, but I am sure that BC had that, either at home, or more likely had one that he understood how to access at work, In this event, it would be like taking your office phone home with you. When someone dials his internal extension number, it would ring at home, and when he made calls with it, they were actually made from Cisco's office. This is very similar to using a laptop to connect to a VPN at the office, for those of you who might work remotely.

CyberPro

[macd]

The VoIP service that Time Warner provides to Cary is different from the VoIP systems that are used in businesses.

With the Time Warner provided VoIP service, you get a standard dial tone in your home and use a standard telephone. It would be no easier nor harder to fake a phone call compared to a traditional phone service, such as offered by BellSouth. The difference is invisible inside the house.

To spoof a call from home, all you need is a computer with modem.

All the talk about Brad's expertise with business class VoIP systems is irrelevant.

[CARYISHOME]

Nope.

Thanks, Skittles. It's good to hear from you.

[EntreNous]

Ackk! All this technology is making me sneeze.

[CyberPro]

IP is Internet Protocol. It is the fundamental "language" for the Internet. It is also used by many (most) businesses for their internal networks or "intranets".

VoIP is Voice-over-IP. The idea is that instead of using a separate telephone network (think Ma Bell here), your voice calls go over networks that are speaking IP.

Many businesses are moving to VoIP for their internal phone systems. There is tremendous savings in doing this. They already have IP based networks for their data communications. So, if they run their voice over these same networks, they save money on infrastructure and maintenance.

You can also use VoIP for your home phone. If you do this, your calls go in and out of your house over your Internet connection rather than over some separate phone connection. You buy home Internet service from some provider such as Time Warner, Charter, Bellsouth DSL, etc, etc. Then you buy VoIP service from any of a number of VoIP providers. Now, Time Warner does provide VoIP service as well (they call it "Digital Phone). So, if you live in a Time Warner service area, you can buy your Internet service from them and your VoIP service as well.

My guess would be that the Coopers had Time Warner's VoIP service and the subpoena is to get the call records for that service.

I'm not following your points about "altered, changed, falsified" or hiding things with VoIP.

SS,

(Cool name, BTW)

The stuff about possible alterations of the VOIP are speculation only, but worthy of a look.

BC is a CCIE for VOIP with Cisco. According to his affidavit, NC Called him from home during his trips to the store, allegedly to get him to pick up some juice. IIRC, he said she called from home. According to an affidavit from one of the friends, BC had previously installed a Cisco VOIP unit in their home, and NC felt that BC was able to monitor and interrupt the calls to and from home. BC rebuts this claim, and stated that he had removed/replaced the Cisco phone with a normal VTech phone from Best Buy due to a request by NC.

The speculation is that BC was able to configure a phone device, it could have been a computer, fax, or a command in the VOIP system to place the call from home to the cell, thereby to establish a time anchor where an adult (presumably NC) was able to call his cell from home. If this IS actually true, it would mean that she was alive at approximately the time that she was supposed to go for the run. Speculation seems to be running that she was unable to run, walk, talk etc. at that time.

If this holds true, BC might have records indicating remote access to the phone switch from a public hotspot, or a record of the call being placed automatically.

CyberPro

[Zoe]

The VoIP service that Time Warner provides to Cary is different from the VoIP systems that are used in businesses.

With the Time Warner provided VoIP service, you get a standard dial tone in your home and use a standard telephone. It would be no easier nor harder to fake a phone call compared to a traditional phone service, such as offered by BellSouth. The difference is invisible inside the house.

To spoof a call from home, all you need is a computer with modem.

All the talk about Brad's expertise with business class VoIP systems is irrelevant.

Would there be some type of indicator on the phone bill -- i.e., could someone tell if the call was called by actually dialing the phone oneself vs. telling the computer to dial it? And, if you set the computer to dial a number at a specific time, i'm presuming if one answers the phone the computer called, the call will be disconnected only when the called phone hangs up? jeesh -- i'm giving myself a headache just trying to word this...:crazy:

[christine2448]

Please continue here. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2486475#post2486475)