View Full Version : Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #78
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 08:22 PM
Please continue here.
6angels
08-10-2008, 08:27 PM
anyone else shocked she refused visits tonight?
Dolphinmomcca
08-10-2008, 08:27 PM
(brought over from the other thread it closed as I was posting)
Just thinking out loud here.......Does anyone else think MAYBE this ZG DOES exist, and Casey planned for her to kidnap her daughter (in other words they made a deal), so she could play the "poor me" like she always does, and then she would be "freed up and childless" to continue to (sorry) "whore around". Maybe if ZG has Caylee and took her far far away from here to raise her, then eventually Casey feels she would get her CHILDLESS life back and continue to party?? again, Im just thinking out loud here........I would rather think Caylee is being raised in some other country than to think she is in Heaven =(
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 08:28 PM
anyone else shocked she refused visits tonight?
Not me.
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 08:31 PM
Dolphinmomcca - I responded in the last thread:
I think it's more likely that ZG is Casey's Hispanic woman scapegoat - much like Susan Smith's Black male scapegoats. If we look at the phone records from the 16th - it would appear that there was some kind of accident, negligence, or outburst of anger. This was probably not a pre-meditated murder.
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 08:33 PM
Nope. Not surprised at all.
After that search warrant affidavit was released, her lies are indefensible.
She doesn't want to face her family...she doesn't want to answer the inevitable questions.
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 08:33 PM
Also from the last thread - we know that Casey left a purse in the car - does anyone know if she also left the keys in the car?
thatswhatshesaid
08-10-2008, 08:34 PM
anyone else shocked she refused visits tonight?
Sadly, I'm not either. It is tiring seeing these parents continue to play Casey's game, but I don't think they believe they can do anything else and ever learn where Caylee is.
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 08:35 PM
Also from the last thread - we know that Casey left a purse in the car - does anyone know if she also left the keys in the car?
i have seen this question asked a few times never seen an answer i am curious too
CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 08:36 PM
Not me.
Nope, she pulled same thing off with Lee. No difference in this conduct then when she was playing the hiding transient game with her family while Caylee was missing. Where is everyone on WS board that has a good grasp of this case. Not a good sign
panthera
08-10-2008, 08:37 PM
from the last thread ~
post by Dorvillian:
I think it's more likely that ZG is Casey's Hispanic woman scapegoat - much like Susan Smith's Black male scapegoats. If we look at the phone records from the 16th - it would appear that there was some kind of accident, negligence, or outburst of anger. This was probably not a pre-meditated murder.
Dorvillian, I agree about the scapegoat, but if this really was an accident, why not report it and why no signs of remorse or sadness? If she was afraid of her parents reaction to an "accident" why was she trying to call them on the 16th? I do think she wanted Caylee out of the way since she was interferring with her partying lifestyle and possibly because it was to get back at her own mother for not giving her (Casey) enough attention.
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CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 08:38 PM
i have seen this question asked a few times never seen an answer i am curious too
It was answered and discussed , yes.
oakayfine
08-10-2008, 08:39 PM
Uh oh There are two threads now going for "thread #78.
I posted this one on the not yet locked thread #77.
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
That was my understanding also, and it's supported by Cindy's myspace posting from July 3rd. She felt Casey was being vindictive and not allowing her to see or talk to Caylee. She didn't know where Casey was staying or how to find her, what actions could she have taken? I suppose she could have called the police and complained that she wasn't being allowed to talk to her granddaughter on the phone - and that would have gotten her nowhere. "
I totally agree. What do people expect Cindy to do at this point? Call the police and tell them that her 22 year old daughter won't let her see her grandchild??
Cindy did what she had to do. She looked for Casey, found her and threatened her with the 911 call which Casey said ... fine, call 911 and Cindy did.
This whole tragedy lies (no pun intended) with CASEY.
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"Not a bit of useful information has been provided by Ms. Anthony as to the whereabouts of her daughter, and I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers." ~Judge Stan Strickland~
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 08:39 PM
I was perfectly willing to stay out of it until I see this post comparing spilled cappuccino to a rotting corpse??
Indeed. Let's hope that a Starbucks doesn't ever collapse...cadaver dogs would become awfully confused!
:waitasec:
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 08:39 PM
It was answered and discussed , yes.
ty never saw the answer
CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 08:41 PM
Chilly- with all the respect I can muster, after reading a few of your posts this evening I have to agree with Diane B on your "peculiar" defense of Cindy,your opinion on a few issues seems to blatantly refute known evidence, sometimes not even disputed by either party in this case.
When someone is that "one dimensional" on an issue, it usually has to do with someone hopeful for a specific outcome as to the people they are defending rather than an objective position.
I was perfectly willing to stay out of it until I see this post comparing spilled cappuccino to a rotting corpse??
OMG, as I have posted before, I recently witnessed an autopsy of a body "treated as appropriate" while awaiting autopsy and when I tell you there is no other smell in the world that will ever even arrive in the same zip code as the smell of a course in decomp stage, that is an understatement. I mean, uh, Cindy actually uses those words which we all heard loud and clear. There is evidence of death in the trunk of that car, period. She is not locked up on a $500K bond because we don't like the way her Mom is reacting, which consequently I don't.
BTW, isnt the way she is acting the antithesis of what you claim to have done for your son? Therefore I do not understand your postion.
Respectfully submitted, the posters on this board on this issue should be divided into 2 categories:
Those that actually HAVE smelled decompostion of that of a human corpse.
AND
Those that have NOT.. There is no inbetween on this one.
Caylee board is now falling off and that concerns me.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 08:42 PM
I agree with you Blink. Plus the detective also stated he smelled the decomp as well and he would certainly know the difference. There is a HUGE difference between dairy that has soured and decomp. You cannot mix up a dead pizza smell with THAT. Ugh. And once it gets in your nose it's horrible. Words can't describe.
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 08:42 PM
from the last thread ~
post by Dorvillian:
I think it's more likely that ZG is Casey's Hispanic woman scapegoat - much like Susan Smith's Black male scapegoats. If we look at the phone records from the 16th - it would appear that there was some kind of accident, negligence, or outburst of anger. This was probably not a pre-meditated murder.
Dorvillian, I agree about the scapegoat, but if this really was an accident, why not report it and why no signs of remorse or sadness? If she was afraid of her parents reaction to an "accident" why was she trying to call them on the 16th? I do think she wanted Caylee out of the way since she was interferring with her partying lifestyle and possibly because it was to get back at her own mother for not giving her (Casey) enough attention.
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My assumption is that she became enraged with her child, or reacted very slowly to the accident due to neglect. The phone records indicate that she at least entertained the idea of getting help, but then she decided to go it on her own.
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 08:42 PM
1. This is a waiting game for Casey and her lawyer now. It has been revealed and confirmed that indeed there was a discussion for immunity, tv panels said it is very common for the lawyer to test the waters about immunity or deals at this point, and my belief is that he was testing the waters to see if the ''accident'' theory would be accepted by LE and the court. I also believe a lawyer will do that to GUESS what kind of physical evidence the LE has: how strong the case against Casey is at the moment, since the laywer does not know yet what evidence LE has? Judging from the LEs reaction the laywer can decide accordingly. So.........
2.Right after the rumors first surfaced about ''immunity'', CASEY REFUSES TO SEE FAMILY - refuses to go on tape and be recorded, showing how uncaring and how unemotional she is because this thing is going to trial. The lawyer is just being a lawyer: he knows those tapes will be played for a jury. AND if there is never a body and the state's case is circumstantial then a tape showing Casey asking her brother about Fusian latest coctail addition to the menu instead of Caylee, is what lies between the fine line of a GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY VERDICT.
3. Now this is the interesting part. Right after the ''immunity'' story comes out, another story surfaces in the press about ''drowing theories'' and ''swimming pool accident''. I find that story surfacing really INTERESTING, especially since the LE came out and said they do not consider this scenario and even Cindi said on camera that the LE do not believe something happened in the pool, and the LE mostly checked the area around the pool and the pool for evidence as a way to reassure the grandmother who was thinking IF something happened in the water. Cindi did say that. So WHO leaked such a ''pool accident'' theory to the press? Well I can't point any fingers but who benefits from public discussions of an ''accident'' happening, right after an immunity discussion with LE happens? Lawyer seems is preparing his client for her day in court and that must only means LE has some pretty good evidence against Casey. Evidence good enough for additional charges to be included. It also means no information regarding Caylee is coming out of Casey's mouth.
4. All the rest are just some soap-opera playing in front of our eyes and the media. What Cindy said, how the grandparents behaved, will Casey see them or not, will she call Tony or not, how did Casey came up with the Zenaida name, did the grandparents knew she was not working? Why did she took the gaz? Was she wearing the same outfit for 3 days? All interesting and ''entertaining'' but distracting from the REALLY INTERESTING PLOT:
The police building a case against Casey (interviews with
friends,roomates,boyfriend,ex-fiance, ex-fiance's family,co-workers,grocery-store employees and withnesses who saw Caysee and Caylee on certain dates, neighbours, etc.; phonecalls received and send by Cayse; timelines; pinpointing Cayse's whereabouts by triangulating between cell towers, money transactions) AND examining physical evidence (car/cars, clothes, gaz tanks, boyfriend's apartment, grandparents house, shovel, etc.) in hope of finding where Caylee might be. Both sides are quietly preparing for trouble and in the middle are the hearbroken confused grandparents and uncle who are still hoping the child is coming back.
Did we forget someone??????? Caylee still missing and not being safely tucked in her bed. :behindbar
CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 08:44 PM
ty never saw the answer
I can see that, possibly because it was discussed threads and 100's of posts ago?
Chilly Willy
08-10-2008, 08:45 PM
I agree with you Blink. Plus the detective also stated he smelled the decomp as well and he would certainly know the difference. There is a HUGE difference between dairy that has soured and decomp. You cannot mix up a dead pizza smell with THAT. Ugh. And once it gets in your nose it's horrible. Words can't describe.
For the record, I was not comparing the smell of sour cappuccino to the smell of decomposing flesh. I'm merely stating that other things can and do create awful odors. Someone who has never smelled a decomposing body might not know the difference. If you've never smelled a pickle, how do you know it doesn't smell like a grape? Get it?
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 08:45 PM
Putting aside your opinions of my post which are no more one dimentional than anyone else's, including yours, what makes you think that Cindy knows the smell of a decomposing body?
Let me say, anyone who has not actually smelled what vanilla cappucino fermenting under the carpeting in a hot car smells like, has no idea what it smells like.
Why does it bother you so much that I think the smell may have been something other than decomposing flesh? I readily admitted that cadaver dogs hit on something.
Sorry respect for another poster is such a difficult thing for you to 'muster'.
i don't know how to describe the smell but the first body i smelled i knew immediatly what it was. all i can say is u would know it if u smelled it
terri
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 08:46 PM
I can see that, possibly because it was discussed threads and 100's of posts ago?
lol could be it i have tried to keep up but this case goes way to fast
thanks again
LI_Mom
08-10-2008, 08:47 PM
anyone else shocked she refused visits tonight?
Not at all surprised.
She already took Caylee from her family.
Now she's playing the last cards left in her hand.
Sad that she won't admit that she needs THEM a lot more than anyone needs her.
I do think she's ready to shut the door on ALL the old people in her life & start anew with people who won't remind her of everything she threw away.
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 08:47 PM
It was answered and discussed , yes.
That's what I had remembered hearing, but I wasn't certain.
I have been thinking a lot about the Sawgrass + ZG + June 17th scenario - but she also wanted to set up a fake abduction defense with the car.
If she wanted the car to be stolen, then asking Tony to pick her up at the Amscot would have been a problem.
CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 08:48 PM
GT
Did we forget someone??????? Caylee still missing and not being safely tucked in her bed. :behindbar Yes and Casey knows the where, why, when and how.
Chilly Willy
08-10-2008, 08:48 PM
i don't know how to describe the smell but the first body i smelled i knew immediatly what it was. all i can say is u would know it if u smelled it
terri
I don't deny that, but if Cindy has never before smelled one how could she be certain that's what the smell was?
I think people might be surprised to know that many members of law enforcement have also never smelled a decomposing body. Recently deceased, yes, but decomposing, no.
daisy7
08-10-2008, 08:48 PM
did the cadaver dogs actually have true hits on the trunk and spots in the backyard? I thought the first dog had some maybe and the second dog had nothing...
TripleA
08-10-2008, 08:49 PM
I think that the conversation is slow because it is Sunday night and we have had nothing new to mull over since last week. LE needs to throw us a bone tomorrow morning!
ShouldBWorking
08-10-2008, 08:50 PM
Not at all surprised.
She already took Caylee from her family.
Now she's playing the last cards left in her hand.
Sad that she won't admit that she needs THEM a lot more than anyone needs her.
I do think she's ready to shut the door on ALL the old people in her life & start anew with people who won't remind her of everything she threw away.
cellmates?
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 08:50 PM
did the cadaver dogs actually have true hits on the trunk and spots in the backyard? I thought the first dog had some maybe and the second dog had nothing...
i saw the police say it did last night on an interview
sorry have no link
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 08:50 PM
anyone else shocked she refused visits tonight?
I would be hugely surpsised if she actually saw them. And I will be surprised if she sees them before the LE drops more charges on her = before she and her lawyer know what evidence they are working against. Then she will see them and give a nice performance of explaining the evidence for the cameras that will be played for the jury later.
Blink34
08-10-2008, 08:51 PM
Putting aside your opinions of my post which are no more one dimentional than anyone else's, including yours, what makes you think that Cindy knows the smell of a decomposing body?
Let me say, anyone who has not actually smelled what vanilla cappucino fermenting under the carpeting in a hot car smells like, has no idea what it smells like.
Why does it bother you so much that I think the smell may have been something other than decomposing flesh? I readily admitted that cadaver dogs hit on something.
Sorry respect for another poster is such a difficult thing for you to 'muster'.
Chilly- I have smelled BOTH a dead body and spilled cappy in my car- which makes me objective to say there is no realm of the universe where the two are comparable. Your opinion does not bother me, it is the lack of background on the issue in the first place.
Stop making this personal to anyone that does not agree with you, that's what debate is for, but when showing up for a debate be an expert "bluffer" or only answer the questions for which you are a subject matter expert.
I'm knocking on 3000 posts since the end of March, you are welcome to review them for a post where I was disrespectful; including this one.
Let's agree that we are not going to agree that aged coffee and rotting remains smell similar and move on to Caylee.
drip~drop
08-10-2008, 08:51 PM
Please continue here.
brought over from last thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by gigi2009
Fox just announced live that Casey has refused tonight's scheduled visit.
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We kinda saw that coming.
Casey is mad so it's her turn to be in charge and met out punishment.
Actually, I don't think they should even bother for a while.
Let her stew. When the baby is back, then they can chat.
Remember, its aaalllllllll about Casey the adult vs. Caylee the baby.
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Ps,, gigi, sometimes we are in the middle of posting and don't see the 1st 2nd or 3rd closing notice until we actually get there.
Once should suffice, imo. :blowkiss:
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 08:52 PM
For the record, I was not comparing the smell of sour cappuccino to the smell of decomposing flesh. I'm merely stating that other things can and do create awful odors. Someone who has never smelled a decomposing body might not know the difference. If you've never smelled a pickle, how do you know it doesn't smell like a grape? Get it?
I get it. But do you? Think about it this way--Cindy is an RN. Her husband is a former Homicide Investigator. Now no matter how stressed someone is-do you think with that background Cindy would yell that the car smells like a dead body? She could said there's a foul odor or a peculiar smell but Cindy used those words. And a Detective also smelled it. And so did the cadaver dogs. So how to discount all of that? See? That's where I'm coming from, not to fight with you but to debate the different opinion--K? :cool:
MD MOMMY
08-10-2008, 08:52 PM
Casey's lawyer is telling her NOT to meet with the family..I would put all my money on that. I will also put money that her family will be denied ANY visitation in the future. Her lawyer is cutting them out.
One thing I still find odd and this is NOT a direct quote but Casey said something similar..when Casey called the house in the beginning and told her mom she had just seen her "cameo" on the news. Casey very pissy said something to the effect of "oh and you do not know what my involvement is" It was the way she said it. I wonder if anyone found this odd as well.
panthera
08-10-2008, 08:53 PM
My assumption is that she became enraged with her child, or reacted very slowly to the accident due to neglect. The phone records indicate that she at least entertained the idea of getting help, but then she decided to go it on her own.
The phone records do tend to go against something premeditated unless initially she wanted it to look like an accident, such as drowning in the pool ~ then when the parents didn't answer her calls, decided to get back at them for not answering by staging this nanny-abduction scenario. Just MOO :)
Tracey
08-10-2008, 08:53 PM
Dolphinmomcca - I responded in the last thread:
I think it's more likely that ZG is Casey's Hispanic woman scapegoat - much like Susan Smith's Black male scapegoats. If we look at the phone records from the 16th - it would appear that there was some kind of accident, negligence, or outburst of anger. This was probably not a pre-meditated murder.
Yeah, but keep in mind, Casey hung out with lots of hispanics and it wasn't the same kind of thing like Susan did with the Black male thing.. I think Casey was banking on the large amount of undocumented people and underground network of things to be the wild goose chase.
I don't deny that, but if Cindy has never before smelled one how could she be certain that's what the smell was?
I think people might be surprised to know that many members of law enforcement have also never smelled a decomposing body. Recently deceased, yes, but decomposing, no.
Chilly, from what I've heard, *when* you smell it, you *will* know it. And, you'll will never forget it.
amethyst221
08-10-2008, 08:56 PM
Game Theory,
I think LE really wants to know what happened to Caylee, and to find her, in whatever state that may now be. Maybe they floated a pool drowning trial balloon to try to lure CA out. She might reveal some new "clue" that could lead to a discovery. I just think things would have to be more dire for her before she'd go for it. If Jose discovers there were DNA results that are bad for his client, it might get more serious. Who knows. If it wasn't an accident, and she wants to clam it was, she needs time passing to destroy evidence.
I agree the whole ZG farce is a red herring. There may have been some research done, or planning, or it really may only be a coincidence. I've seen stranger, more unimaginable ones. I wonder if Casey planned the Nanny defense during her month off, or whether it just popped out when she was pressed by Mrs. A on July 15.
Chilly Willy
08-10-2008, 08:56 PM
Chilly- I have smelled BOTH a dead body and spilled cappy in my car- which makes me objective to say there is no realm of the universe where the two are comparable. Your opinion does not bother me, it is the lack of background on the issue in the first place.
Stop making this personal to anyone that does not agree with you, that's what debate is for, but when showing up for a debate be an expert "bluffer" or only answer the questions for which you are a subject matter expert.
I'm knocking on 3000 posts since the end of March, you are welcome to review them for a post where I was disrespectful; including this one.
Let's agree that we are not going to agree that aged coffee and rotting remains smell similar and move on to Caylee.
You have not answered my question - how do you know that Cindy KNOWS what a decaying body smells like?
As for making things personal - wasn't me. Was you.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 08:56 PM
brought over from last thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by gigi2009
Fox just announced live that Casey has refused tonight's scheduled visit.
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We kinda saw that coming.
Casey is mad so it's her turn to be in charge and met out punishment.
Actually, I don't think they should even bother for a while.
Let her stew. When the baby is back, then they can chat.
Remember, its aaalllllllll about Casey the adult vs. Caylee the baby.
__________________
Ps,, gigi, sometimes we are in the middle of posting and don't see the 1st 2nd or 3rd closing notice until we actually get there.
Once should suffice, imo. :blowkiss:
LOL--Heck, I've been guilty myself of posting when the threads been moved! Then the "continue thread" gets buried cause posters type wicked fast! The worst is when the posts get going on something really juicy and Wham, we move and everything kinda stalls for awhile till everyone gets caught up. :)
panthera
08-10-2008, 08:57 PM
That's what I had remembered hearing, but I wasn't certain.
I have been thinking a lot about the Sawgrass + ZG + June 17th scenario - but she also wanted to set up a fake abduction defense with the car.
If she wanted the car to be stolen, then asking Tony to pick her up at the Amscot would have been a problem.
Yet another strange thing in this case. Supposedly the car ran out of gas or something like that? So she calls Tony to pick her up, and just leaves the car there until it gets towed away? Why not go get gas for it or if it was another problem, why not call mom/dad or somebody to get it to a repair shop? The only thing that makes sense is she was trying to ditch the car because she knew a dead Caylee had been in it. MOO
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 08:57 PM
For the record, I was not comparing the smell of sour cappuccino to the smell of decomposing flesh. I'm merely stating that other things can and do create awful odors. Someone who has never smelled a decomposing body might not know the difference. If you've never smelled a pickle, how do you know it doesn't smell like a grape? Get it?
HOWEVER, cadaver dogs don't hit on other things.
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 08:58 PM
No, it doesn't surprise me that Casey refused to see her parents today. I didn't think it would happen.
She knows she's been doing what she does best, lying.
She knows her parents would have umpteen questions and she's working on the next batch of lies to give them.
Little Caylee's birthday has now come and gone. What happened to " I feel like she's close. " And, " She'll be home by her birthday, " Her parents and brother put alot of faith and hope in those words, and Casey knows that.
It must be difficult to lie on and on again and just live a life of lies!
She's got her lying thinking cap on for now, trying to concoct a whopper to cover up and give reason for the last bunch of lies not coming to fruition!
Blink34
08-10-2008, 08:58 PM
I get it. But do you? Think about it this way--Cindy is an RN. Her husband is a former Homicide Investigator. Now no matter how stressed someone is-do you think with that background Cindy would yell that the car smells like a dead body? She could said there's a foul odor or a peculiar smell but Cindy used those words. And a Detective also smelled it. And so did the cadaver dogs. So how to discount all of that? See? That's where I'm coming from, not to fight with you but to debate the different opinion--K? :cool:
Exactly, Cindy flatly denies it could be though she used those words. George now says it's possible, but maybe she could have hit something outside. Point being if they have the background or NOT to know what a dead body smells like, why be so adamant that it was something else?
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 08:58 PM
did the cadaver dogs actually have true hits on the trunk and spots in the backyard? I thought the first dog had some maybe and the second dog had nothing...
Yes. Two different dogs from two different agencies at two different times hit on the same places. The trunk and some places in the back yard.
TripleA
08-10-2008, 08:59 PM
Yet another strange thing in this case. Supposedly the car ran out of gas or something like that? So she calls Tony to pick her up, and just leaves the car there until it gets towed away? Why not go get gas for it or if it was another problem, why not call mom/dad or somebody to get it to a repair shop? The only thing that makes sense is she was trying to ditch the car because she knew a dead Caylee had been in it. MOO
I agree with this observation. If it were just about the lack of fuel, then Casey would have returned that day to get her means of transportation to and from the clubs (you know, to work on her investigation).
Tracey
08-10-2008, 09:00 PM
Post 1 thread back was very interesting.. about the idea that there could be another way Casey is knee deep in to something very bad but it might not be cut and dry about Casey hurting Caylee... I want to believe there is a way for Casey to be a liar and also truthful on some level due to involvement with really shady and not always real identities. meaning if you are involved with gangs. If you start looking into the folks she surrounded herself with, are they really all above board or did she have a network of really bad people?
We need answers.. I wish we could jump in and see what LE has and solve this one!!
rozey
08-10-2008, 09:00 PM
Yet another strange thing in this case. Supposedly the car ran out of gas or something like that? So she calls Tony to pick her up, and just leaves the car there until it gets towed away? Why not go get gas for it or if it was another problem, why not call mom/dad or somebody to get it to a repair shop? The only thing that makes sense is she was trying to ditch the car because she knew a dead Caylee had been in it. MOO
I agree if it had been stolen than recovered she could claim that the smell was from whatever happen during the time it was missing. Due to her age and lack of knowledge she may have also thought that the smell would disapate.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:00 PM
Even George has admitted that the car smelled like decomp. Besides, one of Cindy's Cindyisms was the she is a "Nurse of decomposition".
Chica
08-10-2008, 09:01 PM
i don't know how to describe the smell but the first body i smelled i knew immediatly what it was. all i can say is u would know it if u smelled it
terri
But being that I never smelled a body, how would I know what it smelled like???:confused:
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 09:02 PM
brought over from last thread
We kinda saw that coming.
Casey is mad so it's her turn to be in charge and met out punishment.
Actually, I don't think they should even bother for a while.
Let her stew. When the baby is back, then they can chat.
Remember, its aaalllllllll about Casey the adult vs. Caylee the baby.
Can we even begin to imagine the nightmare she is putting grandparents and brother into? Lee and grandparents desperately checking phone numbers, emails, possible scenarios, any tiny thread of hope to locate the baby.
Having to go to bed with that baby still missing and with the mother of the baby in jail holding the KEY to all of this. Having to wake up another day and battle against their better judgement of what might have happened, and play ball with Casey to give them some clue.
And they have to baby Casey, they have to listen to her, they have to follow her instructions to find this baby. Then sit by the phone and wait for one clue in her words, one hopeful sign. She has brother come down to visit and tell him she is not going to see him. At least this time Casey was ''thoughtful'' enough to let Cindy now soon enough she wasn't seeing her, before she left the house.
If anything could be close to the cruelty of harming Caylee, the rollercoster of nightmare and hope, hell and hope, she is putting these people, the mind games she is playing with them is right there after. The Anthony's will need a lot of help and support and therapy to come to terms with what happened to the baby but they will need additional therapy for the mindgames Cayse played with them while looking for that baby.
Tracey
08-10-2008, 09:02 PM
HOWEVER, cadaver dogs don't hit on other things.
clarify for me.. do cadaver dogs know "who" they are searching for? So for instance, if there was a hit.. does that mean it's Caylee or could it be someone else?? Just curious. thx
Blink34
08-10-2008, 09:03 PM
But being that I never smelled a body, how would I know what it smelled like???:confused:
You would not, but I bet you would not attempt a comparative scent to it.
Pixie_Dust
08-10-2008, 09:03 PM
i don't deny that, but if cindy has never before smelled one how could she be certain that's what the smell was?
I think people might be surprised to know that many members of law enforcement have also never smelled a decomposing body. Recently deceased, yes, but decomposing, no.
cindy stated she worked n decomposition in one of many chats with the media, so she no's the difference of smell
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 09:03 PM
But being that I never smelled a body, how would I know what it smelled like???:confused:
if u smell one trust me u will know lol its all i can say the smell is like nothing else
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:04 PM
did the cadaver dogs actually have true hits on the trunk and spots in the backyard? I thought the first dog had some maybe and the second dog had nothing...
They both had hits as testified to at the bond hearing. It's Cindy that's saying the dogs didn't get true hits. Or however she worded it.
technicalconfusion
08-10-2008, 09:05 PM
You have not answered my question - how do you know that Cindy KNOWS what a decaying body smells like?
I have a friend in nursing school at one of the local colleges here. and she's required to go to a certain amount of autopsies. This could be how she knows the smell.
amethyst221
08-10-2008, 09:06 PM
Yet another strange thing in this case. Supposedly the car ran out of gas or something like that? So she calls Tony to pick her up, and just leaves the car there until it gets towed away? Why not go get gas for it or if it was another problem, why not call mom/dad or somebody to get it to a repair shop? The only thing that makes sense is she was trying to ditch the car because she knew a dead Caylee had been in it. MOO
Yup. I can't find the original reference, but didn't CA tell Tony that there was something wrong with the car, not that it was only out of gas, and that her dad would come pick it up. She then did not call her dad and tell him him that the car was parked there and had a problem. So it seems she wanted to leave it, car seat, inexplicably smelly trunk and all, with even her purse, for someone else to find or take. Amazingly, it stayed there (or so we think) until it got towed 3 days later. Two weeks later, it still had all her stuff in it when the parents got it back. I doubt she was counting on that.
rozey
08-10-2008, 09:07 PM
Has anyone heard if LE is intending on searching any other ponds or canals?
lostnfound85
08-10-2008, 09:07 PM
(brought over from the other thread it closed as I was posting)
Just thinking out loud here.......Does anyone else think MAYBE this ZG DOES exist, and Casey planned for her to kidnap her daughter (in other words they made a deal), so she could play the "poor me" like she always does, and then she would be "freed up and childless" to continue to (sorry) "whore around". Maybe if ZG has Caylee and took her far far away from here to raise her, then eventually Casey feels she would get her CHILDLESS life back and continue to party?? again, Im just thinking out loud here........I would rather think Caylee is being raised in some other country than to think she is in Heaven =(
HOw do you explain the cadaver dogs?
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 09:07 PM
Game Theory,
I think LE really wants to know what happened to Caylee, and to find her, in whatever state that may now be. Maybe they floated a pool drowning trial balloon to try to lure CA out. She might reveal some new "clue" that could lead to a discovery. I just think things would have to be more dire for her before she'd go for it. If Jose discovers there were DNA results that are bad for his client, it might get more serious. Who knows. If it wasn't an accident, and she wants to clam it was, she needs time passing to destroy evidence.
I agree the whole ZG farce is a red herring. There may have been some research done, or planning, or it really may only be a coincidence. I've seen stranger, more unimaginable ones. I wonder if Casey planned the Nanny defense during her month off, or whether it just popped out when she was pressed by Mrs. A on July 15.
I agree about the LE really wants to know what happened and entertain all scenarios. Sorry if I was misunderstood that they wouldn't check the pool. It was only logical to check it as well as check the garden. But it seems the whole scenario didn't stick with the LE for long, it was just one of the many things they are checking and eliminating. But somehow it surfaced to the press that they are focusing on a drowing scenario which the LE denied and so did Cindy. It was just about crossing off possibilities from the list.
I hope this clarifies it cause I agree with everything you said
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:08 PM
I agree with this observation. If it were just about the lack of fuel, then Casey would have returned that day to get her means of transportation to and from the clubs (you know, to work on her investigation).
And another thing that's weird is Tony never asks her what's wrong with the car, or if she told him it ran out of gas, didn't offer to go get gas for it? Or did she tell him her dad was going to take care of it? The whole thing seems, well, strange, to say the least. :waitasec:
Blink34
08-10-2008, 09:09 PM
clarify for me.. do cadaver dogs know "who" they are searching for? So for instance, if there was a hit.. does that mean it's Caylee or could it be someone else?? Just curious. thx
No.. it is the breakdown of the proteins into amino acids that occurs with every human, not the scent specific to an individual.
For example purposes, it is the scent of human death/decompositon they smell, not the person.
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 09:09 PM
Can we even begin to imagine the nightmare she is putting grandparents and brother into? Lee and grandparents desperately checking phone numbers, emails, possible scenarios, any tiny thread of hope to locate the baby.
Having to go to bed with that baby still missing and with the mother of the baby in jail holding the KEY to all of this. Having to wake up another day and battle against their better judgement of what might have happened, and play ball with Casey to give them some clue.
And they have to baby Casey, they have to listen to her, they have to follow her instructions to find this baby. Then sit by the phone and wait for one clue in her words, one hopeful sign. She has brother come down to visit and tell him she is not going to see him. At least this time Casey was ''thoughtful'' enough to let Cindy now soon enough she wasn't seeing her, before she left the house.
If anything could be close to the cruelty of harming Caylee, the rollercoster of nightmare and hope, hell and hope, she is putting these people, the mind games she is playing with them is right there after. The Anthony's will need a lot of help and support and therapy to come to terms with what happened to the baby but they will need additional therapy for the mindgames Cayse played with them while looking for that baby.
Great post !!! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p::clap::clap:
txsvicki
08-10-2008, 09:09 PM
I get it. But do you? Think about it this way--Cindy is an RN. Her husband is a former Homicide Investigator. Now no matter how stressed someone is-do you think with that background Cindy would yell that the car smells like a dead body? She could said there's a foul odor or a peculiar smell but Cindy used those words. And a Detective also smelled it. And so did the cadaver dogs. So how to discount all of that? See? That's where I'm coming from, not to fight with you but to debate the different opinion--K? :cool:
Cindy also said "Something's Wrong!" in reference to not finding Caylee. Then added that "it smells like a D--n dead body has been in my car". I wonder just whose dead body she thought might have once been in the car though.
Chesapeake
08-10-2008, 09:09 PM
Even George has admitted that the car smelled like decomp. Besides, one of Cindy's Cindyisms was the she is a "Nurse of decomposition".
Does anyone have the link to the video where they think Cindy said she was a nurse of decomposition. TIA
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 09:10 PM
Okay, with the visitation being cancelled today, that leaves 2 more visits this week. Tuesday is Lee and Thursday is George and Cindy. Now if Lee gets turned away and/or the Anthonys get turned away then would Baez make some sort of statement or maybe notify the Anthonys that he is suggesting this? I mean even if he picked up the phone to tell them to stop would seem to be considerate. It just looks worse to hear her turning family away.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:10 PM
And another thing that's weird is Tony never asks her what's wrong with the car, or if she told him it ran out of gas, didn't offer to go get gas for it? Or did she tell him her dad was going to take care of it? The whole thing seems, well, strange, to say the least. :waitasec:
Well so far the story is she told him the car broke down and her dad was going to get it fixed. But I sure wonder if she stunk to high heaven when he picked her up and what excuse she gave for that!:eek:
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 09:11 PM
I have a friend in nursing school at one of the local colleges here. and she's required to go to a certain amount of autopsies. This could be how she knows the smell.
And any nurse who's had to deal with gangrenous bed sores certainly has an idea what decomp smells like.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:13 PM
Does anyone have the link to the video where they think Cindy said she was a nurse of decomposition. TIA
Nursebeme might be able to find it for you. She couldn't get past that phraise. I haven't seen her online lately though.
Maybe someone can remind me. Was it when she was leaving the courthouse after the bond hearing?
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 09:14 PM
And another thing that's weird is Tony never asks her what's wrong with the car, or if she told him it ran out of gas, didn't offer to go get gas for it? Or did she tell him her dad was going to take care of it? The whole thing seems, well, strange, to say the least. :waitasec:
You know I never could find anything about what Tony said about that day. But she's a spinner so I would think she either told him dad would get it. But why leave the car seat? Wouldn't she need it later if she was in another vehicle?
Rebound
08-10-2008, 09:15 PM
Is there any more news on Casey not feeling well?
Pixie_Dust
08-10-2008, 09:16 PM
does anyone have the link to the video where they think cindy said she was a nurse of decomposition. Tia
i think it was the fox some one posted it yesterday thats when i seen it
CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 09:17 PM
:boohoo:Okay, with the visitation being cancelled today, that leaves 2 more visits this week. Tuesday is Lee and Thursday is George and Cindy. Now if Lee gets turned away and/or the Anthonys get turned away then would Baez make some sort of statement or maybe notify the Anthonys that he is suggesting this? I mean even if he picked up the phone to tell them to stop would seem to be considerate. It just looks worse to hear her turning family away.
Casey has run out of time. She told the guard don't, feel like a meet with Lee, then Baez runs behind and says she was ill. Bull, Casey is a coward she recalls what she told her family about Caylee being home for her birthday tears and all. Attention now being waned from Casey. Withdrawal must be hard for her.
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:17 PM
Yup. I can't find the original reference, but didn't CA tell Tony that there was something wrong with the car, not that it was only out of gas, and that her dad would come pick it up. She then did not call her dad and tell him him that the car was parked there and had a problem. So it seems she wanted to leave it, car seat, inexplicably smelly trunk and all, with even her purse, for someone else to find or take. Amazingly, it stayed there (or so we think) until it got towed 3 days later. Two weeks later, it still had all her stuff in it when the parents got it back. I doubt she was counting on that.
I don't think she was counting on it being towed either! It definitely sounds set up for being stolen where she might even have wanted to pin that on whoever had Caylee. Then she finds out from her mom that the car was back at their house with everything in it and comes up with the nanny-abduction at the apt. Her not calling her dad about the broken-down car is very telling, imo.
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 09:18 PM
You know I never could find anything about what Tony said about that day. But she's a spinner so I would think she either told him dad would get it. But why leave the car seat? Wouldn't she need it later if she was in another vehicle?
i don't know about this family but mine all had caeseats gp aunt uncle and us.we never moved them. maybe its jsut not something she does
TxRose
08-10-2008, 09:19 PM
I think it is Casey's decision not to see her brother and parents. If it were her attorney's advice, wouldn't Cindy have said that when they asked her about being turned away? She wouldn't want to admit Casey didn't want to see her..and I think she would jump at the chance to explain it away as simple the wishes of the attorney.
I think Casey is po'd at her family and is shutting them out. I think she doesn't want to comfront them after Caylee's B-day has come and gone. She is running out of things to stall with. I think otherwise she would jump at the chance to relieve some of the boredom of jail.
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 09:20 PM
And any nurse who's had to deal with gangrenous bed sores certainly has an idea what decomp smells like.
Exactly. I'm a nurse.
Wounds, ulcers, amputated draining limbs! All distinctive putrid odors that are decomp. Necrotic(dead) tissue. The smell will imbed into your nostrils, your hair, your clothing.
Cindy is a home health nurse. I'm sure she's smelled it.
amethyst221
08-10-2008, 09:20 PM
Well so far the story is she told him the car broke down and her dad was going to get it fixed. But I sure wonder if she stunk to high heaven when he picked her up and what excuse she gave for that!:eek:
Maybe the car wasn't so horribly smelly when she abandoned it? If there was some relatively "minor" (if there's such a thing -- I guess I mean small quantity)decomp matter in the trunk, it might have worsened and worsened as time passed. Wouldn't we love to know what TL has told LE. I wonder if Casey was so desperate to get his number during that first jail visit from the family so she could start helping him revise his memory of these important events.
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:20 PM
You know I never could find anything about what Tony said about that day. But she's a spinner so I would think she either told him dad would get it. But why leave the car seat? Wouldn't she need it later if she was in another vehicle?
Especially if she was telling Tony that Caylee was with a sitter or somebody at that time, or if like she says now, she was trying to find the person who had Caylee. She knew she wouldn't be needing that carseat, imo. I wonder though if Tony saw the inside of the car that day, or just picked up Casey from there?
SelmaClue
08-10-2008, 09:21 PM
Newbie to WS here.
This case is nauseating me.
The people involved in this case are nauseating me.
Sorry to say, but I believe this poor little child no longer walks among us.
Her sorry excuse for a "mother" is (IMO) absolutely to blame, even if she didn't actually raise a hand to this sweet child.
All I can say is, I hope LE can prevent Ms. Anthony from roaming free -- and that somehow and soon, Caylee is brought home.
Blink34
08-10-2008, 09:22 PM
Part of doing research is objectively considering the facts.
For the eleventyeth time, I'm going to say, "Occam's Razor."
LOL, Im gonna borrow that- "eleventyeth".. I needed something besides my standard kid answer to "what time are we going to be there, what time are we eating- whatever- and I answer: one hundred o'clock.
I mostly agree with the Occam's razor on this with one exception, I just think everyone is so focused on the 6/24-6/27 timeline and that it is for a reason. But maybe it is as simple as that is when Caylee was moved.
For me, the timeline of 6/16, moved 9 days later is unbearable, couple that with the rampant party pics.. Is anyone able to put her out and partying after 6/24 conclusively?
TxRose
08-10-2008, 09:23 PM
Do we know when she started staying with Tony? She left clothes in her stinky car, but I think I remember her saying she had stuff at Tony's too. Perhaps she left the stinky pants (that Cindy washed) in the car and changed clothes before Tony picked her up!
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:23 PM
Maybe the car wasn't so horribly smelly when she abandoned it? If there was some relatively "minor" (if there's such a thing -- I guess I mean small quantity)decomp matter in the trunk, it might have worsened and worsened as time passed. Wouldn't we love to know what TL has told LE. I wonder if Casey was so desperate to get his number during that first jail visit from the family so she could start helping him revise his memory of these important events.
I'm pretty sure Casey abandoned the car because it smelled so bad. I would love to know what all Casey's friends told LE. And what friends figured out when they compared notes with each other and remembered things in hindsight.
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:23 PM
Well so far the story is she told him the car broke down and her dad was going to get it fixed. But I sure wonder if she stunk to high heaven when he picked her up and what excuse she gave for that!:eek:
I don't think the smell was that strong when she ditched the car but after it sat at the impound yard in the heat for 2 wks. it got much stronger.
McSev
08-10-2008, 09:23 PM
I get it. But do you? Think about it this way--Cindy is an RN. Her husband is a former Homicide Investigator. Now no matter how stressed someone is-do you think with that background Cindy would yell that the car smells like a dead body? She could said there's a foul odor or a peculiar smell but Cindy used those words. And a Detective also smelled it. And so did the cadaver dogs. So how to discount all of that? See? That's where I'm coming from, not to fight with you but to debate the different opinion--K? :cool:
And RN's are exposed to the dead. It's part of LPN and RN in-hospital training. One doesn't forget it,and that excited utterance I'm not sure anyone can deny.
ShouldBWorking
08-10-2008, 09:24 PM
Cindy is a home health nurse. I'm sure she's smelled it.
thought she worked in an office
Blink34
08-10-2008, 09:25 PM
:boohoo:
Casey has run out of time. She told the guard don't, feel like a meet with Lee, then Baez runs behind and says she was ill. Bull, Casey is a coward she recalls what she told her family about Caylee being home for her birthday tears and all. Attention now being waned from Casey. Withdrawal must be hard for her.
But then how do you account for LE not releasing those videos to discount Baez claims- there is something in there or they would have released them under the PI act
txsvicki
08-10-2008, 09:25 PM
Well so far the story is she told him the car broke down and her dad was going to get it fixed. But I sure wonder if she stunk to high heaven when he picked her up and what excuse she gave for that!:eek:
Didn't Cindy mention something on Greta about Casey telling her that the boyfriend was going to fix the broken gas gauge?
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 09:26 PM
Just for the record - we are arm chair detectives.
We are not privy to all of the pertinent information in this case, and we have no power or authority to do anything at all.
There's really no need to berate others on the board for their opinions or command of information in the case.
The very best thing that we could do is ask enough questions that eventually we hit on something that is some use to LE.
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:26 PM
Do we know when she started staying with Tony? She left clothes in her stinky car, but I think I remember her saying she had stuff at Tony's too. Perhaps she left the stinky pants (that Cindy washed) in the car and changed clothes before Tony picked her up!
I thought I read in the s/w that the "stinky pants" were what she was wearing on 6/16 when she left the house with Caylee.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:27 PM
Didn't Cindy mention something on Greta about Casey telling her that the boyfriend was going to fix the broken gas gauge?
The only thing I've heard about a broken gas gage is that's the reason Casey stole and kept gas cans in her trunk. According to George and Cindy that is.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 09:27 PM
You know Tony beat feet as soon as this whole thing came down and he made his statement. It's amazing how she cared more about getting in touch with him than worrying about Caylee. That really clinched it for me that she knew what happened. All the rest of just stacks up nice and neat. I have total faith in LE that they are gonna wrap this up with a bow for the prosecutors. And yeah Checkdafacts, the withdrawal must be making her crazy. I'm hoping she does something really out there so the spotlight can be on her. Does she attend the bond hearing? I'd sure like to see if she's lost weight and sleep.
Chesapeake
08-10-2008, 09:29 PM
Thank you for finding that!
Okay so is she saying she is a forensic nurse, which I don't think she is , or did she interrupt her own self mid sentence and throw in the fact that she is a nurse when she was talking about the smell of decomposition. It would be idiotic of her to state she is a forensic nurse if it could be easily proven that she isn't so I tend to believe she was talking so much she interrupted her own sentence.
CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 09:30 PM
But then how do you account for LE not releasing those videos to discount Baez claims- there is something in there or they would have released them under the PI act
Sorry blink distracted for a while. Which video's are you referencing. I mentioned I don't buy a belly ache claim from Casey on her not wanting to see Lee.
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 09:30 PM
BOTTOM LINE: EVIDENTLY CINDY KNOWS WHAT DECOMP SMELLS LIKE, BECAUSE THE CADAVER DOGS HIT ON PRECISELY THE PLACE THAT SHE SAID SMELLED LIKE DECOMP.
Now, can we end the bickering...please?
Can I insert myself in the debate and offer some middle ground? Perhaps it wasn't Cindy who smelled it (orthopedic nurse so fits with some posters argument she wouldn't have as many chanced to smell a decomposing body) but it was George who smelled it (ex homocide LE and the one who drove the car home and cleaned it).
While they are frantic about finding out that Casey was lying that she was in another town with Caylee and they abandoned their car in terrible condition, between the calls to find Cayse, the trip to locate her with Amy, the thoughts of what is going on, George did say to Cindy the damn car smells like a dead body. There wasn't a party going on in the Anthony's home that night. There must have been screams and discussions and tears and pleas for Caylee's whereabouts and where Cayse was the days she didn't have the car or what she was doing, and even Lee was invited by George to come and assist with the situation. Mayhem.
George did smell it but that was before Cindy went to get Casey from Tony's apartment. As the situation escalates and finally Cayse admits to Lee that Caylee was ''taken by zanny'' Cindy is on fast mode on her 911 call. She is losing it, everything is escalating from Cayse being her irresponsible self to someting more serious and dangerous and Cindy relates to the dispatcher what she heard her husband comment regarding the car. Cindy did say the car smelled like a dead body, she didn't say she smelled it. So she perhaps saying to the dispatcher what George commented about the car?
Since I saw many different posters saying from personal experience that once you smell a decomposing body you will know, there is nothing like it, I have to believe them. And I do believe them.
Why grandparents later changing their story? Not both of them smelled it just one of them. So doubt about what George smelled? The smell could not be overwhelming? George detected what it was but it was not overwhelming thus he doubted himself later under Cayse's emotional manipulation that someone has Caylee? If Cayse transfered a body at some point in her trunk but only transfered and not stored, if a body was covered in a box and placed in the trunk for only a little time, could there be a smell but not as overwhelming? A smell that a train homocide LE would recognize but still not overwhelming? This is a question for those with experience with the issue. The grandparents backpedalled in what one of them might smelled because they had to believe their daughter and her abduction stories and were afraid the focus of the investigation will change from a missing child that was still out there to something else?
However... the dog hitting on the trunk has to be significant. Perhaps we could consider as a mistake by the dog, but one cannot accept a mistake or coincidence when it is combined with Cindy talked about the same spot and dead body smell on her VERY AUTHENTIC AND VERY REAL and VERY RAW 911 call.
Tracey
08-10-2008, 09:30 PM
Cindy also said "Something's Wrong!" in reference to not finding Caylee. Then added that "it smells like a D--n dead body has been in my car". I wonder just whose dead body she thought might have once been in the car though.
not
caylee's.. my thoughts from listening to the 911 call is she thought
Casey was up to something really bad... and what the hell has she been doing all these weeks and the stealing etc.
just my two cents.. maybe its me not wanting to believe it's caylee. plus would a 2 yo produce the same amount of stench as a large human???!
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 09:30 PM
thought she worked in an office
An office in a nursing home.
Blink34
08-10-2008, 09:31 PM
Okay so is she saying she is a forensic nurse, which I don't think she is , or did she interrupt her own self mid sentence and throw in the fact that she is a nurse when she was talking about the smell of decomposition. It would be idiotic of her to state she is a forensic nurse if it could be easily proven that she isn't so I tend to believe she was talking so much she interrupted her own sentence.
well she did state that George was a former homicide detective that no-one has been able to corroberate so she may have done exactly that..
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 09:31 PM
Newbie to WS here.
This case is nauseating me.
The people involved in this case are nauseating me.
Sorry to say, but I believe this poor little child no longer walks among us.
Her sorry excuse for a "mother" is (IMO) absolutely to blame, even if she didn't actually raise a hand to this sweet child.
All I can say is, I hope LE can prevent Ms. Anthony from roaming free -- and that somehow and soon, Caylee is brought home.
Welcome SelmaClue!:)
This case is nauseating to me too. I see Caylee's precious face when I close my eyes each night. What a beautiful little girl. Casey Anthony never realised what a gift she was given!
I too pray that Casey ( If guilty of doing harm ) is punished severely and pays for her horrendous crime.
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:32 PM
The only thing I've heard about a broken gas gage is that's the reason Casey stole and kept gas cans in her trunk. According to George and Cindy that is.
I think it's a ruse. Why not just get it fixed if it really has a problem? The car's only 10 y/o!
txsvicki
08-10-2008, 09:33 PM
An office in a nursing home.
That's what I thought, administration in a nursing home. Maybe meant that she's a nurse of decomposition because she works at a place that deals with very elderly, bed ridden, and even people about to die. I guess she caught herself saying that, and realized it wasn't appropriate, even if true.
lostnfound85
08-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Anyone that's been to a dog show and seen tracking contests knows how sensitive a dogs sense of smell is. There was definitely a dead body in that car.
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 09:34 PM
I don't think she was counting on it being towed either! It definitely sounds set up for being stolen where she might even have wanted to pin that on whoever had Caylee. Then she finds out from her mom that the car was back at their house with everything in it and comes up with the nanny-abduction at the apt. Her not calling her dad about the broken-down car is very telling, imo.
You and I seem to think alike. This idea explains a lot. Not one single thing she said to LE that first day was an even somewhat plausible lie - she must have had something planned - she did have a month after all.
Maybe this is the reason she begged for just one more day.
I wonder why LE has never made a public statement about the the car looking like a failed alibi.
Amberjack
08-10-2008, 09:34 PM
:boohoo:
Casey has run out of time. She told the guard don't, feel like a meet with Lee, then Baez runs behind and says she was ill. Bull, Casey is a coward she recalls what she told her family about Caylee being home for her birthday tears and all. Attention now being waned from Casey. Withdrawal must be hard for her.
Seriously, withdrawal from what exactly?
IMO Tomorrow (Mon. 8/10) will bring some answers hopefully.
DNA results, and maybe George's realization now that Caylee was probably in the trunk with the gas containers. (Did he say who took out the wedge?)
Blink34
08-10-2008, 09:35 PM
Sorry blink distracted for a while. Which video's are you referencing. I mentioned I don't buy a belly ache claim from Casey on her not wanting to see Lee.
No apology necessary Check, I am referring to the phone calls/last jail visit(s) with Lee and the Anthony's. LE fought the PA from Baez to be able to make them public, but have not.
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 09:35 PM
thought she worked in an office
Sorry if that's the case. I could of sworn I heard her say she worked in home health,
Regardless, a nurse should know that smell.
CheckDaFacts
08-10-2008, 09:35 PM
You know Tony beat feet as soon as this whole thing came down and he made his statement. It's amazing how she cared more about getting in touch with him than worrying about Caylee. That really clinched it for me that she knew what happened. All the rest of just stacks up nice and neat. I have total faith in LE that they are gonna wrap this up with a bow for the prosecutors. And yeah Checkdafacts, the withdrawal must be making her crazy. I'm hoping she does something really out there so the spotlight can be on her. Does she attend the bond hearing? I'd sure like to see if she's lost weight and sleep.
Boy we all hope we can depend on LE crossing those T's and doting all those i's. Were close with Casey only for sentencing purpose. In the meantime. Caylee is still missinng.
McSev
08-10-2008, 09:36 PM
Can I insert myself in the debate and offer some middle ground? Perhaps it wasn't Cindy who smelled it (orthopedic nurse so fits with some posters argument she wouldn't have as many chanced to smell a decomposing body) but it was George who smelled it (ex homocide LE and the one who drove the car home and cleaned it).
While they are frantic about finding out that Casey was lying that she was in another town with Caylee and they abandoned their car in terrible condition, between the calls to find Cayse, the trip to locate her with Amy, the thoughts of what is going on, George did say to Cindy the damn car smells like a dead body. There wasn't a party going on in the Anthony's home that night. There must have been screams and discussions and tears and pleas for Caylee's whereabouts and where Cayse was the days she didn't have the car or what she was doing, and even Lee was invited by George to come and assist with the situation. Mayhem.
George did smell it but that was before Cindy went to get Casey from Tony's apartment. As the situation escalates and finally Cayse admits to Lee that Caylee was ''taken by zanny'' Cindy is on fast mode on her 911 call. She is losing it, everything is escalating from Cayse being her irresponsible self to someting more serious and dangerous and Cindy relates to the dispatcher what she heard her husband comment regarding the car. Cindy did say the car smelled like a dead body, she didn't say she smelled it. So she perhaps saying to the dispatcher what George commented about the car?
Since I saw many different posters saying from personal experience that once you smell a decomposing body you will know, there is nothing like it, I have to believe them. And I do believe them.
Why grandparents later changing their story? Not both of them smelled it just one of them. So doubt about what George smelled? The smell could not be overwhelming? George detected what it was but it was not overwhelming thus he doubted himself later under Cayse's emotional manipulation that someone has Caylee? If Cayse transfered a body at some point in her trunk but only transfered and not stored, if a body was covered in a box and placed in the trunk for only a little time, could there be a smell but not as overwhelming? A smell that a train homocide LE would recognize but still not overwhelming? This is a question for those with experience with the issue. The grandparents backpedalled in what one of them might smelled because they had to believe their daughter and her abduction stories and were afraid the focus of the investigation will change from a missing child that was still out there to something else?
However... the dog hitting on the trunk has to be significant. Perhaps we could consider as a mistake by the dog, but one cannot accept a mistake or coincidence when it is combined with Cindy talked about the same spot and dead body smell on her VERY AUTHENTIC AND VERY REAL and VERY RAW 911 call.
IIRC, the search warrant says "Cindy" removed the pants from the backseat of the car. She was in there.
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 09:37 PM
Has anyone heard when the public will hear the test results?
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 09:37 PM
Does anyone know if Casey has another brother? I saw this picture before Casey's myspace page went private. Under it the pic it said, "Uncle Brian and Caylee." It is posted also on Brian Lufkin's myspace page. Do you think it could be another brother or just a good friend that they call "uncle"? He is 25. Pretty sure that George is sitting on the couch in the background.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/lillygracesmom/Webslueths/0110a950.jpg
Pretty sure he's a friend of Lee's and a close family friend. In some of his comments on Casey's myspace, he sometimes seemed frustrated with her.
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 09:38 PM
IIRC, the search warrant says "Cindy" removed the pants from the backseat of the car. She was in there.
Cindy herself said it, too.
Chilly Willy
08-10-2008, 09:38 PM
Can I insert myself in the debate and offer some middle ground? Perhaps it wasn't Cindy who smelled it (orthopedic nurse so fits with some posters argument she wouldn't have as many chanced to smell a decomposing body) but it was George who smelled it (ex homocide LE and the one who drove the car home and cleaned it).
While they are frantic about finding out that Casey was lying that she was in another town with Caylee and they abandoned their car in terrible condition, between the calls to find Cayse, the trip to locate her with Amy, the thoughts of what is going on, George did say to Cindy the damn car smells like a dead body. There wasn't a party going on in the Anthony's home that night. There must have been screams and discussions and tears and pleas for Caylee's whereabouts and where Cayse was the days she didn't have the car or what she was doing, and even Lee was invited by George to come and assist with the situation. Mayhem.
George did smell it but that was before Cindy went to get Casey from Tony's apartment. As the situation escalates and finally Cayse admits to Lee that Caylee was ''taken by zanny'' Cindy is on fast mode on her 911 call. She is losing it, everything is escalating from Cayse being her irresponsible self to someting more serious and dangerous and Cindy relates to the dispatcher what she heard her husband comment regarding the car. Cindy did say the car smelled like a dead body, she didn't say she smelled it. So she perhaps saying to the dispatcher what George commented about the car?
Since I saw many different posters saying from personal experience that once you smell a decomposing body you will know, there is nothing like it, I have to believe them. And I do believe them.
Why grandparents later changing their story? Not both of them smelled it just one of them. So doubt about what George smelled? The smell could not be overwhelming? George detected what it was but it was not overwhelming thus he doubted himself later under Cayse's emotional manipulation that someone has Caylee? If Cayse transfered a body at some point in her trunk but only transfered and not stored, if a body was covered in a box and placed in the trunk for only a little time, could there be a smell but not as overwhelming? A smell that a train homocide LE would recognize but still not overwhelming? This is a question for those with experience with the issue. The grandparents backpedalled in what one of them might smelled because they had to believe their daughter and her abduction stories and were afraid the focus of the investigation will change from a missing child that was still out there to something else?
However... the dog hitting on the trunk has to be significant. Perhaps we could consider as a mistake by the dog, but one cannot accept a mistake or coincidence when it is combined with Cindy talked about the same spot and dead body smell on her VERY AUTHENTIC AND VERY REAL and VERY RAW 911 call.
Good post, makes complete sense to me. And you're right, the dog hitting on the trunk is significant, regardless of how strong or faint the smell might have been to human noses.
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 09:39 PM
IIRC, the search warrant says "Cindy" removed the pants from the backseat of the car. She was in there.
Correct! Did not account for that.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:39 PM
Okay so is she saying she is a forensic nurse, which I don't think she is , or did she interrupt her own self mid sentence and throw in the fact that she is a nurse when she was talking about the smell of decomposition. It would be idiotic of her to state she is a forensic nurse if it could be easily proven that she isn't so I tend to believe she was talking so much she interrupted her own sentence.
Oh I don't believe she literally had the official title of "nurse of decomposition" or even meant a forensic nurse. The main point she was trying to make is she does know what a dead body smells like but later decided it smelled like rotten pizza. It was just a bit comical that she inadvertently came up with a non existent job title. So we've all been calling it the "nurse of decomposition" title.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 09:40 PM
A theory about the dogs hitting in the backyard.
Concrete PAVERS were put down in parts of the backyard over the july 4th weekend. They were put down under and around the area of the playhouse/sandbox. This is visible in the video with greta as well as the gallerys with the still photos of LE in the back yard with the dogs and the search.
In order to put down pavers you need the ground to be pretty level and the dirt may have been spread out and moved to different parts of the yard. I am pretty sure no human could smell decomp in the backyard but the dogs higher smell did, it became inconsistent IMO because the dirt had been moved.
JBean
08-10-2008, 09:41 PM
Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?
TxRose
08-10-2008, 09:41 PM
Didn't Cindy mention something on Greta about Casey telling her that the boyfriend was going to fix the broken gas gauge?
That was probably her excuse (or lie) for why she needed the gas. Of ocurse she couldn't admit she didn't have money...because she was supposed to be working and getting a paycheck right?
BTW - I thought it disgusting in that interview with the GP's when they were talking about the broken gauge when they both said the broken gas gauge made perfect sense. They said that is why she needed the gas cans. No big deal they said. Excuse me....she STOLE them! She broke the shed! Geez - wake up George and Cindy. Stop minimizing everything she does!
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:41 PM
You and I seem to think alike. This idea explains a lot. Not one single thing she said to LE that first day was an even somewhat plausible lie - she must have had something planned - she did have a month after all.
Maybe this is the reason she begged for just one more day.
I wonder why LE has never made a public statement about the the car looking like a failed alibi.
I too think the story she finally gave was thought up rather hastily, even though I still believe she had this 'Zenaida at the Sawgrass' story in her mind, it might have been a back-up, or that's where Caylee was disposed of. BTW, how far is it from Sawgrass to Amscot where the car was? I've forgotten.
Sherbie
08-10-2008, 09:42 PM
I thought I read in the s/w that the "stinky pants" were what she was wearing on 6/16 when she left the house with Caylee.
I believe that was based on George's recall. He also gave detail about what Caylee was wearing, right down to her little sunglasses and the little monkey backpack, too. He sure is observant -- my husband would never notice what I or my son might be wearing at any given time, even if asked immediately after seeing us...LOL
I thought it a little odd that George recalled in such detail, but perhaps because of his LE background, it's second nature to take note of things like that, even if not consciously trying to do so. Still, kinda convenient that she was wearing the now-washed-of-evidence pants, huh?
Howdy, neighbor :)
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Boy we all hope we can depend on LE crossing those T's and doting all those i's. Were close with Casey only for sentencing purpose. In the meantime. Caylee is still missinng.
I just think LE is keeping their cards very close to the vest. I checked out some of Baez's cases. He already wants discovery just on those charges. Between the FBI lab and FDLE labs, they are going to start lining up all the evidence. I'm betting they are getting phone records from all her "friends". And still more and more tips are coming in. Without an audience to play to--Casey's going to do something to get her need for attention fed. And we are now 57 days no Caylee.
Now about those phone records--if her friends sign a waiver so LE doesn't need a search warrant, then the media wouldn't necessarily know right?
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 09:43 PM
A theory about the dogs hitting in the backyard.
Concrete PAVERS were put down in parts of the backyard over the july 4th weekend. They were put down under and around the area of the playhouse/sandbox. This is visible in the video with greta as well as the gallerys with the still photos of LE in the back yard with the dogs and the search.
In order to put down pavers you need the ground to be pretty level and the dirt may have been spread out and moved to different parts of the yard. I am pretty sure no human could smell decomp in the backyard but the dogs higher smell did, it became inconsistent IMO because the dirt had been moved.
Great point!
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 09:44 PM
A theory about the dogs hitting in the backyard.
Concrete PAVERS were put down in parts of the backyard over the july 4th weekend. They were put down under and around the area of the playhouse/sandbox. This is visible in the video with greta as well as the gallerys with the still photos of LE in the back yard with the dogs and the search.
In order to put down pavers you need the ground to be pretty level and the dirt may have been spread out and moved to different parts of the yard. I am pretty sure no human could smell decomp in the backyard but the dogs higher smell did, it became inconsistent IMO because the dirt had been moved.
OMG!
That sounds very logical to me!
The dogs smelled the odor, but were "confused", as the ground had been disturbed here and there. And causing the inconsistency!
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:44 PM
I think it's a ruse. Why not just get it fixed if it really has a problem? The car's only 10 y/o!
Exactly, the car never ran out of gas and it was obviously not broken down because because George drove it home from impound. The car stunk, she ditched it and hoped it would get stolen. Another lie she'd tell that had nothing with pinning it on anyone. IMO.
I do wonder if people did try to steal it a time or two but ran off when the smelled it. It might have scared them. :waitasec:
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:45 PM
That was probably her excuse (or lie) for why she needed the gas. Of ocurse she couldn't admit she didn't have money...because she was supposed to be working and getting a paycheck right?
BTW - I thought it disgusting in that interview with the GP's when they were talking about the broken gauge when they both said the broken gas gauge made perfect sense. They said that is why she needed the gas cans. No big deal they said. Excuse me....she STOLE them! She broke the shed! Geez - wake up George and Cindy. Stop minimizing everything she does!
I caught that too in the interview. They seemed so complacent about the gas cans, or the events around George finding them in her car, which seemed odd considering he'd already filed a police report.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:45 PM
Has anyone heard when the public will hear the test results?
It's been stated by LE that they have no intention of releasing the results during the investigation.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 09:45 PM
That was probably her excuse (or lie) for why she needed the gas. Of ocurse she couldn't admit she didn't have money...because she was supposed to be working and getting a paycheck right?
BTW - I thought it disgusting in that interview with the GP's when they were talking about the broken gauge when they both said the broken gas gauge made perfect sense. They said that is why she needed the gas cans. No big deal they said. Excuse me....she STOLE them! She broke the shed! Geez - wake up George and Cindy. Stop minimizing everything she does!
George prolly knew in his head and heart who took them when he filed the report at 10am on the 24th.
txsvicki
08-10-2008, 09:45 PM
What was that big square of pavers anyway? Maybe it's supposed to be a little patio for the playhouse, but I thought it looked kind of odd and out of place. The digging there is a good idea. Dirt could have gotten tossed onto the other areas in small amounts and the hit by the pool could have been something being rinsed off with pool water beside the pool.
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 09:45 PM
I just think LE is keeping their cards very close to the vest. I checked out some of Baez's cases. He already wants discovery just on those charges. Between the FBI lab and FDLE labs, they are going to start lining up all the evidence. I'm betting they are getting phone records from all her "friends". And still more and more tips are coming in. Without an audience to play to--Casey's going to do something to get her need for attention fed. And we are now 57 days no Caylee.
Now about those phone records--if her friends sign a waiver so LE doesn't need a search warrant, then the media wouldn't necessarily know right?
Good post.
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:47 PM
I believe that was based on George's recall. He also gave detail about what Caylee was wearing, right down to her little sunglasses and the little monkey backpack, too. He sure is observant -- my husband would never notice what I or my son might be wearing at any given time, even if asked immediately after seeing us...LOL
I thought it a little odd that George recalled in such detail, but perhaps because of his LE background, it's second nature to take note of things like that, even if not consciously trying to do so. Still, kinda convenient that she was wearing the now-washed-of-evidence pants, huh?
Howdy, neighbor :)
:seeya: I thought too that it was his LE training that gave him the recall of what Caylee was wearing, and maybe remembered what Casey had on based on what was found in the car, like "those are the pants she had on that day".
sweetmop
08-10-2008, 09:47 PM
It's been stated by LE that they have no intention of releasing the results during the investigation.
Thanks SuziQ. Somehow I missed this.
amethyst221
08-10-2008, 09:47 PM
Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?
I think she stayed in large part for the simple reason she didn't have a car, or the parents would no longer let her have it. Really, I think she had no choice at that point but to try to manage things as best she could. Maybe she thought until the bitter end she could dissuade her mother and get her unsuspicious, so she could leave. Think of that little convo recorded by accident in between calls, where she asks for one more day. I don't think it was conscience. Just necessity.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 09:48 PM
What was that big square of pavers anyway? Maybe it's supposed to be a little patio for the playhouse, but I thought it looked kind of odd and out of place. The digging there is a good idea. Dirt could have gotten tossed onto the other areas in small amounts and the hit by the pool could have been something being rinsed off with pool water beside the pool.
Yep they are red about 1 1/2 inches thick and 1ft square. There are 20-30 just under and around the playhouse.
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 09:50 PM
OMG!
That sounds very logical to me!
The dogs smelled the odor, but were "confused", as the ground had been disturbed here and there. And causing the inconsistency!
Aside from Cindy, who else has confirmed these were "inconsistent" hits? The dog trainer that was initially interviewed said two dogs hit on the trunk of the car and in the backyard. Nothing was mentioned about any inconsistencies. Anyone know for sure?
McSev
08-10-2008, 09:50 PM
I just think LE is keeping their cards very close to the vest. I checked out some of Baez's cases. He already wants discovery just on those charges. Between the FBI lab and FDLE labs, they are going to start lining up all the evidence. I'm betting they are getting phone records from all her "friends". And still more and more tips are coming in. Without an audience to play to--Casey's going to do something to get her need for attention fed. And we are now 57 days no Caylee.
Now about those phone records--if her friends sign a waiver so LE doesn't need a search warrant, then the media wouldn't necessarily know right?
Yep. This time it will be she has a new, improved and totally believable story to spin out for LE, because that'll be her only audience. Should be quite a hoot.
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 09:51 PM
I too think the story she finally gave was thought up rather hastily, even though I still believe she had this 'Zenaida at the Sawgrass' story in her mind, it might have been a back-up, or that's where Caylee was disposed of. BTW, how far is it from Sawgrass to Amscot where the car was? I've forgotten.
She certainly did have the ZG as an original idea or a backup - I'd love it if someone could prove me wrong on that one because I've become a little too obsessed on that issue.
I have seen maps that pinpoint all of the locations in the case, but I don't know where they are.
Can anyone track down a map for our good friend Panthera?
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 09:51 PM
Aside from Cindy, who else has confirmed these were "inconsistent" hits? The dog trainer that was initially interviewed said two dogs hit on the trunk of the car and in the backyard. Nothing was mentioned about any inconsistencies. Anyone know for sure?
Something prompted them to bring in the second dog when they got to the backyard.
McSev
08-10-2008, 09:52 PM
It's been stated by LE that they have no intention of releasing the results during the investigation.
Yep. As long as it's still an "investigation" and not formal charges, then I think they don't have to give a thing to Baez except what's related to the current formal charges at this point.
Chilly Willy
08-10-2008, 09:52 PM
Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?
Great question. I think Casey may have wanted to get the confrontation about the money and car out of the way so she could get back in Cindy's good graces and then ask for a handout. She probably didn't think Cindy would really report her to the police over the car and the money, and then when Cindy did, she probably thought Cindy wouldn't follow through with pressing charges. How she thought those things might happen without her producing Caylee is a mystery, but then so is much of what Casey did/does.
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 09:53 PM
Something prompted them to bring in the second dog when they got to the backyard.
Yes, and the explanation that was given my the dog trainer is that they wanted confirmation. They didn't want it to be said that the dog was probably wrong, so they got a backup dog for extra measure. That is what the dog trainer said.
Sherbie
08-10-2008, 09:53 PM
Exactly. I'm a nurse.
Wounds, ulcers, amputated draining limbs! All distinctive putrid odors that are decomp. Necrotic(dead) tissue. The smell will imbed into your nostrils, your hair, your clothing.
Cindy is a home health nurse. I'm sure she's smelled it.
My mom had a radical mastectomy and a huge reconstruction surgery many years ago, and there were all kinds of drain tubes from her surgery sites. I gotta say, that was the most putrid (you picked just the right word) odor I have ever smelled in my life. Of course, none of us ever said a word about it and ignored it the best we could, but she knew and felt so bad that others were subjected that she actually cried about it, bless her heart.
Given how badly that smelled (nearly gagged just typing about it), I can only imagine that a body in actual decomposition would be so malodorous that one would never, ever forget or confuse the smell. Because Cindy herself is the one who claimed the car smelled like a dead body, I have to take her word for it that she would know that smell; otherwise, she would've said it smelled like _____ (soured milk, cat pee, dog poo, body odor, etc. -- something other than a dead body).
QuickAttack
08-10-2008, 09:54 PM
This photo...was it made during booking? I know it's not the mugshot, but WTH?
http://media.metronews.ca/images/b2/b1/2794a263490baa170d3599eba0c4.jpeg
I know she's a big ham, has an almost supernatural ability to know where a camera is and strike a pose...but this photo...is disturbing.
SweetDreamOfYou
08-10-2008, 09:54 PM
[QUOTE=absolut;2482292]Something prompted them to bring in the second dog when they got to the b
last night the police in their interview said that its normal procedure to call in dogs from somewhere else to verify a hit by their dogs
did that make sense?
TxRose
08-10-2008, 09:54 PM
Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?
Another thing that bugged me was that Cindy told Greta that she learned just before she made the 3rd 911 call that Caylee had been kidnapped. She said Lee and Casey were in the other room, and she walked in and overheard Casey tell her brother. She said Casey had been on the bed, but when she walked in she was on the floor crying. Cindy then panics and calls 911, obviously hysterical herself. But when the 911 operator asks to speak to Casey....Casey has no emotion. So which was it? Was she bawling on the floor or was she playing it cool? I vote for the latter.
SelmaClue
08-10-2008, 09:54 PM
Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?
You know what?
This question has also been on my mind.
Casey either has a bizarre mental disorder or Caylee really was abducted.
At this point, it's very hard to tell what's real and what could be fiction.
And, IMO, even if Caylee was abducted, it's still Casey's fault. She gave her child to someone that she didn't know, for a FACT, could be trusted. The charges, as they stand today, should definitely stick, regardless of the final outcome.
I have more to say but don't want to repeat things that have already been blabbed ten thousand times by others.
humble newbie,
Selma
:crazy:
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 09:55 PM
OMG!
That sounds very logical to me!
The dogs smelled the odor, but were "confused", as the ground had been disturbed here and there. And causing the inconsistency!
What inconsistency and what confusion? The first dog hit on spots that except for the car have not been disclosed. Those didn't result in locating a body. So a second dog was brought in with a different handler and it hit on the same spots confirming where the first dog hit. This is in the bond hearing.
panthera
08-10-2008, 09:55 PM
She certainly did have the ZG as an original idea or a backup - I'd love it if someone could prove me wrong on that one because I've become a little too obsessed on that issue.
I have seen maps that pinpoint all of the locations in the case, but I don't know where they are.
Can anyone track down a map for our good friend Panthera?
Thanks ~ I was looking for a map thread or list of addresses so I could look it up myself but didn't find it. :)
Well so far the story is she told him the car broke down and her dad was going to get it fixed. But I sure wonder if she stunk to high heaven when he picked her up and what excuse she gave for that!:eek:
Good thinking, SuziQ!
You know I never could find anything about what Tony said about that day. But she's a spinner so I would think she either told him dad would get it. But why leave the car seat? Wouldn't she need it later if she was in another vehicle?
Gigi, Casey allegedly did tell Tony her dad would take care of the car.
GREAT point you make about the car seat! IF she was really actively searching for Caylee, she would need that car seat when she found her!
Newbie to WS here. <snip>
:Welcome-12-june: to Websleuths, Selma!
All I can say is, I hope LE can prevent Ms. Anthony from roaming free -- and that somehow and soon, Caylee is brought home.
I'm kind of going back and forth lately wishing that she'd never been arrested, or at least not so soon; or that her bail will be lowered. That might be the *only* way we ever get some answers to where Caylee is (by LE following her and having access to phone calls she will inevitably make).
Again, welcome aboard, SelmaClue! :)
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 09:56 PM
Yes, and the explanation that was given my the dog trainer is that they wanted confirmation. They didn't want it to be said that the dog was probably wrong, so they got a backup dog for extra measure. That is what the dog trainer said.
As I said IMO dirt was moved in the backyard from the same areas the dogs hit on. I am not discounting the dogs, I believe if they were there the week of 6/16-6/20 they would have found the same places and possibly a body or a human could have detected the smell as well because it would have been more concentrated to the original spots. I see a total of 40-60 pavers in the backyard and know to get them level you have to move dirt. Thats all I am implying.
TxRose
08-10-2008, 09:57 PM
What inconsistency and what confusion? The first dog hit on spots that except for the car have not been disclosed. Those didn't result in locating a body. So a second dog was brought in with a different handler and it hit on the same spots confirming where the first dog hit. This is in the bond hearing.
Where is Cindy getting that the first dog was inconsistent on its hits and that is why another dog was brought in. And that the second dog didn't hit in the same places? Same place she gets all her stories? Outer space?
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 09:58 PM
Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?
You know the first time I read about this story was through the news headlines and listening to that phonecall. Knew nothing at that moment. So I am hearing the phonecall and I hear a woman (Cindy) calling the police to report her stollen car while she sits in another car with the woman (Casey) that she is reporting and she wanted to turn into. I was like WHAT? How is she holding her? Did she manage to tie that woman somehow? Then I hear the second phonecall from the house where again Cindy speaks to 911 and wants to report Cayse for a stolen car. And Cayse is right there. And again I am like WHAT? Why isn't this woman running? Is she on drugs and she is high and she stole from her parents and her parents are calling the police - tough love? I was like OH WHAT the first time I heard the two 911 calls.
I HAVE NOOOOOOOOOOO CLUEEEEEEE YET why would Cayse sit there while her mother calls 911 and she even provokes her by saying ''go ahead and call''. I believe Cindy never wanted to report any crime, she wanted to make Cayse tell her where Caylee was. And this is obvious by her calmness in the first two 911 calls. It is by the third that Cindy realises this is serious and something is going on. But wowww Cayse is there right next to her and she is provoking her to call the police
My only theory at the moment: That Cayse was ready to play the part. She did what she did and perhaps was stalling reporting the abduction or whatever story she was thinking to use, [B]because she was having so much fun with Tony coming back in town and it would be an inconvinience for her to go herself to report Caylee missing and have to deal with all that. Perhpas tomorrow or the day after. A day went buy and everybody believe the baby was with the nanny at the beach. A second day goes by and nobody asks about the baby being with the nanny. Why ruin her fun to go report it if she had all the time in the world to spend with the boyfriend? She must was having so much fun being all free and nobody bothering her staying with Tony that she was going to postpone it until someone was going to question about the whereabouts of the baby. And the car she abandoned came back to haunt her. Cindy tracks her down and it is time to roll the camera and go for her Oscar.
But honestly....who knows with Cayse....
fixingtoburst
08-10-2008, 09:58 PM
You know what?
This question has also been on my mind.
Casey either has a bizarre mental disorder or Caylee really was abducted.
At this point, it's very hard to tell what's real and what could be fiction.
And, IMO, even if Caylee was abducted, it's still Casey's fault. She gave her child to someone that she didn't know, for a FACT, could be trusted. The charges, as they stand today, should definitely stick, regardless of the final outcome.
I have more to say but don't want to repeat things that have already been blabbed ten thousand times by others.
humble newbie,
Selma
:crazy:
Casey probably didn't want to be picked up in front of her friends.
mkay882
08-10-2008, 09:58 PM
Casey's lawyer is telling her NOT to meet with the family..I would put all my money on that. I will also put money that her family will be denied ANY visitation in the future. Her lawyer is cutting them out.
One thing I still find odd and this is NOT a direct quote but Casey said something similar..when Casey called the house in the beginning and told her mom she had just seen her "cameo" on the news. Casey very pissy said something to the effect of "oh and you do not know what my involvement is" It was the way she said it. I wonder if anyone found this odd as well.
I don't think Casey wants to look her parents or brother in the eyes.
She has run out of lies.
The jig is up and she knows they know the (probable) truth now.....so she hides her face...
Hailiejade77
08-10-2008, 09:58 PM
I think the only way they are going to get Casey to talk is if they say that her mother told them everything. Even if Cindy knows nothing, I am sure Casey thinks she is figuring it out and that's why she won't visit with her family. JMO
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 09:59 PM
What inconsistency and what confusion? The first dog hit on spots that except for the car have not been disclosed. Those didn't result in locating a body. So a second dog was brought in with a different handler and it hit on the same spots confirming where the first dog hit. This is in the bond hearing.
Thank you! I knew this was the case, but Cindy says the hits were "inconsistent".
Themis
08-10-2008, 09:59 PM
You know what?
This question has also been on my mind.
Casey either has a bizarre mental disorder or Caylee really was abducted.
At this point, it's very hard to tell what's real and what could be fiction.
And, IMO, even if Caylee was abducted, it's still Casey's fault. She gave her child to someone that she didn't know, for a FACT, could be trusted. The charges, as they stand today, should definitely stick, regardless of the final outcome.
I have more to say but don't want to repeat things that have already been blabbed ten thousand times by others.
humble newbie,
Selma
:crazy:
Say it, Selma. I'll read it.
McSev
08-10-2008, 10:00 PM
I think she stayed in large part for the simple reason she didn't have a car, or the parents would no longer let her have it. Really, I think she had no choice at that point but to try to manage things as best she could. Maybe she thought until the bitter end she could dissuade her mother and get her unsuspicious, so she could leave. Think of that little convo recorded by accident in between calls, where she asks for one more day. I don't think it was conscience. Just necessity.
I think she chose the lesser of 2 evils: my mom calls the police on me and I've left, then they're chasing me down. And I do think you're right about getting her mom to not be suspicious of her anymore and I don't believe that Casey really thought her mom would go so far as to involve the police about Caylee. She expected to bully her into believing her as she always has, and Cindy, to her credit, didn't buy it.
What I found disturbing in the 2nd 911 call (or 3rd, however you count them), is that call vs what Cindy told Greta the other night. She stated that she walked into Casey's room where she and Lee were talking after Cindy herself was outside pacing. She walked to Casey's room and Casey was sitting on the bed, and then Casey was on the floor crying and that's when Cindy found out that Casey admitted that the babysitter had "kidnapped" Caylee. Cindy said she heard that and went hysterical, and called 911.
The sequence and timing of those events as she described them from the time she entered Casey's room to the time she called 911 are disturbing to me because of the way Casey sounds when she gets on the phone with the 911 operator. If she was crying on the floor 2 or 3 minutes prior, she certainly doesn't sound like it.
miss lisa
08-10-2008, 10:00 PM
Has it ever been reported the size and possible position of the stain in the trunk?
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 10:00 PM
Aside from Cindy, who else has confirmed these were "inconsistent" hits? The dog trainer that was initially interviewed said two dogs hit on the trunk of the car and in the backyard. Nothing was mentioned about any inconsistencies. Anyone know for sure?
Wait! I get what they were saying, not an inconsistency, but the reason why the dogs, both dogs, hit on the same different parts of the yard....You know what? Dang, that could be. Sorry, it didn't click in till now.
MitchLite
08-10-2008, 10:01 PM
Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?
It's not like she had a choice.....she had run from her family for over a month...Cindy tracked her down.......I assume she had no keys to any vehicle.....in her mind, she had her story and thought it would fly....remember, at first her mom was only calling the police about her taking the car and money, it was a threat to get casey to talk and find out where caylee was.
The mindset of Casey is that she had been there done that before....argued with her parents about her actions....or lack of them. You become used to always getting out of it........she had convinced her mind that whatever happened she could lie her way out of..........until Cindy called the police the third time.........frantic........you can tell by the tone of Casey in that call, she admits that it was stupid for her to try and look for her daughter on her own........she begins to second guess her story right there on the phone with the 911 dispatcher........but she's still not thinking this will turn out how it did....her lies have always gotten her in trouble, but she creats a web of confusion and out of exhaustion..........the family always gives in.
This is the FIRST time Casey has to answer to authoritie figures.....she can not understand why they are not seeing things her way.....she will stick to her story even more now. Her outrage will grow. "your telling me I would do anything to my daughter"????
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 10:02 PM
Wait! I get what they were saying, not an inconsistency, but the reason why the dogs, both dogs, hit on the same different parts of the yard....You know what? Dang, that could be. Sorry, it didn't click in till now.
All i am saying is they moved dirt, plain and simple.
Sherbie
08-10-2008, 10:03 PM
I caught that too in the interview. They seemed so complacent about the gas cans, or the events around George finding them in her car, which seemed odd considering he'd already filed a police report.
I hate to say it, but I just flat-out don't believe George's stories about the gas cans. First, they were stolen by a neighbor. Then, when (IMO) it becomes strategically beneficial for Casey for him to say differently, here comes a brand new story. Obviously, at least one of the stories has to be a lie. No way around that. There is some reason for the change of tune...just not sure exactly what it is yet.
I thought it odd that Cindy kept saying LE wanted the cans because they had fingerprints other than the family's on them. How did LE know that if they hadn't taken and tested them yet?
The whole gas can thing is very hinky to me. Because of the dishonesty on this issue, I've even wondered if those actually are the gas cans, you know?
rozey
08-10-2008, 10:03 PM
Thanks ~ I was looking for a map thread or list of addresses so I could look it up myself but didn't find it. :)
08-05-2008, 06:45 PM
josephsjordansr
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 96
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sadd...38452&t=h&z=15
A: Anthony House
B: Amscot where the car was found abandoned
C: Corner of a boxed in area that was searched 8/5
D: 3 Deputies near a mobile home park north of sr-50 3 lots up near a vacant lot
E: Tattoo Parlor of Mike
F: Colonial High School
G: Bella Vida
H: Young Pine Landfill
I: Fusian
J: Sawgrass Apartments where Casey claims to have dropped off Caley
K: Universal Studios
PLEASE ADD TO THIS AS YOU PLEASE... ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ADD A DESTINATION, THEN CLICK ON GET DIRECTIONS, THEN CLICK ON LINK... I will look for a better map plotting program we can all use in the meantime...
fixingtoburst
08-10-2008, 10:03 PM
I think the only reason sat there why her mom called the cops is she didn't want it to happen in front of her friends.
Themis
08-10-2008, 10:04 PM
I don't think Casey wants to look her parents or brother in the eyes.
She has run out of lies.
The jig is up and she knows they know the (probable) truth now.....so she hides her face...
I posted earlier that when LE called the house and wouldn't talk to Cindy, but only to George or Lee, that I started to think LE was treating Cindy as a person of interest -- like an accessory after the fact or something. IMHO, George got ahold of Cindy and hence they had a few days in LE office with the FBI and OCSO. George was protecting Cindy in the best way he knew -- to get Cindy to really cooperate with LE. They turned over the gas cans, clothes and other items. They did the luminol testing and generally obtained a lot of information from George and Cindy. Casy, undoubtedly, heard about it as did Jose Baez. The family can listen through lies for clues all day, but something about the fact that LE quit communicating with Cindy changed things drastically.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 10:04 PM
All i am saying is they moved dirt, plain and simple.
Oh I agree! Very plausible. Good thinking. I'm sorry I completely misunderstood what you were trying to say and it finally hit me what you meant. :blowkiss:
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 10:05 PM
A theory about the dogs hitting in the backyard.
Concrete PAVERS were put down in parts of the backyard over the july 4th weekend. They were put down under and around the area of the playhouse/sandbox. This is visible in the video with greta as well as the gallerys with the still photos of LE in the back yard with the dogs and the search.
In order to put down pavers you need the ground to be pretty level and the dirt may have been spread out and moved to different parts of the yard. I am pretty sure no human could smell decomp in the backyard but the dogs higher smell did, it became inconsistent IMO because the dirt had been moved.
I could see that theory so clearly now that you pointed it out! We had to do the same thing when we put pavers down. And we had the same size as well. It sucked leveling out that dirt but I remember we had to spread it around and the excess we put over where we would get water pooling. Pooling water attracts a lot of nasties here in Fl.
MitchLite
08-10-2008, 10:05 PM
Another thing that bugged me was that Cindy told Greta that she learned just before she made the 3rd 911 call that Caylee had been kidnapped. She said Lee and Casey were in the other room, and she walked in and overheard Casey tell her brother. She said Casey had been on the bed, but when she walked in she was on the floor crying. Cindy then panics and calls 911, obviously hysterical herself. But when the 911 operator asks to speak to Casey....Casey has no emotion. So which was it? Was she bawling on the floor or was she playing it cool? I vote for the latter.
Could have been both actually. Her brother has always been the one who could get some form of the truth from her.......so had to play the victim when she came up with her story........once she was done doing that for her brother....it was over with.
Casey has a classic detachment disorder.......
ShouldBWorking
08-10-2008, 10:05 PM
All i am saying is they moved dirt, plain and simple.
confused? who moved dirt?
fixingtoburst
08-10-2008, 10:06 PM
I posted earlier that when LE called the house and wouldn't talk to Cindy, but only to George or Lee, that I started to think LE was treating Cindy as a person of interest -- like an accessory after the fact or something. IMHO, George got ahold of Cindy and hence they had a few days in LE office with the FBI and OCSO. George was protecting Cindy in the best way he knew -- to get Cindy to really cooperate with LE. They turned over the gas cans, clothes and other items. They did the luminol testing and generally obtained a lot of information from George and Cindy. Casy, undoubtedly, heard about it as did Jose Baez. The family can listen through lies for clues all day, but something about the fact that LE quit communicating with Cindy changed things drastically.
Maybe Cindy didn't like how the LE had started looking at her and started worrying that she was under suspicion. Could explain the change in her demeanor.
Chesapeake
08-10-2008, 10:06 PM
Oh I don't believe she literally had the official title of "nurse of decomposition" or even meant a forensic nurse. The main point she was trying to make is she does know what a dead body smells like but later decided it smelled like rotten pizza. It was just a bit comical that she inadvertently came up with a non existent job title. So we've all been calling it the "nurse of decomposition" title.
Oh okay..I'm am slower than usual tonight. Sorry
As for george being a detective, I did find a post in Greta's blog that was taken from The Vindicator, a Younstown Ohio newspaper that quoted Sheriff Tom Altiere as saying he worked in the detective division with George Anthony from 1974 - 1983. He had nothing but good things to say about George. He did not say George was a homicide detective just that he worked in the detective division.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 10:07 PM
I hate to say it, but I just flat-out don't believe George's stories about the gas cans. First, they were stolen by a neighbor. Then, when (IMO) it becomes strategically beneficial for Casey for him to say differently, here comes a brand new story. Obviously, at least one of the stories has to be a lie. No way around that. There is some reason for the change of tune...just not sure exactly what it is yet.
I thought it odd that Cindy kept saying LE wanted the cans because they had fingerprints other than the family's on them. How did LE know that if they hadn't taken and tested them yet?
The whole gas can thing is very hinky to me. Because of the dishonesty on this issue, I've even wondered if those actually are the gas cans, you know?
I have wonder about this too, in the report it says $50 in gas which would be 2 (5) gallon cans, on greta he says 1 1.5 gallon and a 2.5 gallon.
fixingtoburst
08-10-2008, 10:07 PM
I heard reports of new concrete poured around July 4th? Was that ever proven or disproven?
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 10:08 PM
Oh I agree! Very plausible. Good thinking. I'm sorry I completely misunderstood what you were trying to say and it finally hit me what you meant. :blowkiss:
sick sarcasm: The dogs were prolly thinking to themselves my god how many bodies were back here.
GameTheory
08-10-2008, 10:09 PM
[QUOTE=absolut;2482292]Something prompted them to bring in the second dog when they got to the b
last night the police in their interview said that its normal procedure to call in dogs from somewhere else to verify a hit by their dogs
did that make sense?
I have no experience in LE search procedures but I do have a lot of experience in scientific procedures. Same rules apply if you want your conclusions to be accepted either by the court (in LE's case) or by the scientific community (in my case).
Doing an experiment at least twice is a MUST - SO they couldn't just use one dog.
Having someone outside your circle of co-workers VALIDATE your results is also a MUST. A second dog from somewhere else to verify a hit by their dogs is done so that they assure that the two dogs have different training!!! different handlers!!! Why? The want to eliminate the possibility of two dogs arriving to the same wrong conclusion (something the defence will try to say in the future). How do you do that? Eliminating any similarities between the dogs. Hence the need to bring a dog that wasn't theirs, didn't have the same conditions like the other dog.
My explanation
Sunshinegirl
08-10-2008, 10:09 PM
I have wonder about this too, in the report it says $50 in gas which would be 2 (5) gallon cans, on greta he says 1 1.5 gallon and a 2.5 gallon.
I think George was including the value of the cans and the damage to the shed lock as well... that could have totaled $50
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 10:10 PM
I have wonder about this too, in the report it says $50 in gas which would be 2 (5) gallon cans, on greta he says 1 1.5 gallon and a 2.5 gallon.
Exactly, I heard the same thing and though how did that total $50.00 worth of gas. I know gas prices are high, but come on!
robotdog
08-10-2008, 10:10 PM
1.accidental injury resulting in death ??
nawwwwww you call 911 and get help immediately and hope and pray for the the best recovery hoepfully
2. kidnapped ??
nawwwwwwww we have debunked that all the way around the moon
128 times at least. kidnapper AKA baby sitter doesnt exist
3. 3 year run away ??
nawwwwwwwwwww not hardly
4. sold the child ?? possible i guess
5. killed because of rage moment and cover up needed to be into place
and thats why keeping the TRAIL cold as ice for 30 days.
hit in the head or killed becuase casey could go out clubbing or something along those lines. tired of being a mother at an early age - wanted freedom
sounds like a phoney ramsom note situation to me with the NON EXISTANT babysitter
number 5 takes it :furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 10:10 PM
sick sarcasm: The dogs were prolly thinking to themselves my god how many bodies were back here.
And for a quick minute the CSI people must have thought the same thing.
Themis
08-10-2008, 10:10 PM
Maybe Cindy didn't like how the LE had started looking at her and started worrying that she was under suspicion. Could explain the change in her demeanor.
That could explain it too.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 10:10 PM
I heard reports of new concrete poured around July 4th? Was that ever proven or disproven?
Disproven. They were concrete pavers.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 10:11 PM
confused? who moved dirt?
Cindy and George over the July 4th weekend to put down the pavers around and under the playhouse. It is just an opinion I have.
robotdog
08-10-2008, 10:11 PM
I remember that now! It's scary all the Seinfield episodes are compared to this case. The stinky car, George lying about his job and the house in the Hamptons. I know there's been more comparisions.
worked at universal - costanza the architect :eek:
T I advise the guilty to knock it off now. Also the guilty one's calling people names that are involved in this case. This is the last warning time out's will be given.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 10:55 PM
So on geraldo, orlando salinas said something to the effect that Lee had found names of people Casey had mentioned (jeff, juliet I assume) in her address book with numbers of neighbors. He called the numbers and the neighbors and Lee were confused. I do not know if this is a physical address book or in a phone, I was under the impression LE had her phone and the blackjack was gone, if it even existed.
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 10:55 PM
T I advise the guilty to knock it off now. Also the guilty one's calling people names that are involved in this case. This is the last warning time out's will be given.
I see now.
Pixie_Dust
08-10-2008, 10:56 PM
my opinion why casey isnt taking visit's cause she knows her family is now going to want answers, she stoped visits with lee first cause he didnt let her run around with the lies. and now that her b-day has come and gone and caylee isnt home like she said there gonna want answers....just my tho0ught on the matter
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 10:56 PM
I'm clueless why the thread got locked. I'm new here. I want to make sure I don't get on the "guilty" list. Anyone know?
I'm confused too. But I know the mods job is a tough one so she must've had a reason. I guess the only way to tell is if we go back through the thread ourselves and see what got edited.
daisy7
08-10-2008, 10:59 PM
listening to the radio show posted earlier...interesting!
panthera
08-10-2008, 11:01 PM
So on geraldo, orlando salinas said something to the effect that Lee had found names of people Casey had mentioned (jeff, juliet I assume) in her address book with numbers of neighbors. He called the numbers and the neighbors and Lee were confused. I do not know if this is a physical address book or in a phone, I was under the impression LE had her phone and the blackjack was gone, if it even existed.
I was watching Geraldo and that's the strangest thing I've heard yet! Why would she do that?
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 11:02 PM
I am just praying that she is not released from jail any time soon. I think her bail should remain where it is and she should stay there until at least the DNA results are completely done. I think they are conducting some more extensive tests now.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 11:02 PM
I was watching Geraldo and that's the strangest thing I've heard yet! Why would she do that?
It may make her far more manipulating and smarter than we give her credit for?
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 11:03 PM
When is the new bond hearing?
panthera
08-10-2008, 11:03 PM
08-05-2008, 06:45 PM
josephsjordansr
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 96
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sadd...38452&t=h&z=15
A: Anthony House
B: Amscot where the car was found abandoned
C: Corner of a boxed in area that was searched 8/5
D: 3 Deputies near a mobile home park north of sr-50 3 lots up near a vacant lot
E: Tattoo Parlor of Mike
F: Colonial High School
G: Bella Vida
H: Young Pine Landfill
I: Fusian
J: Sawgrass Apartments where Casey claims to have dropped off Caley
K: Universal Studios
PLEASE ADD TO THIS AS YOU PLEASE... ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ADD A DESTINATION, THEN CLICK ON GET DIRECTIONS, THEN CLICK ON LINK... I will look for a better map plotting program we can all use in the meantime...
I wanted to thank you for posting this, however when I clicked the link nothing came up. :)
So, she put the names of Juliet and Jeff with the phone numbers of neighbors?
Why would she do that, and more importantly, WHEN would she have done it?
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 11:04 PM
When is the new bond hearing?
I asked the same question earlier this morning on another thread and no one responded. I would love to know. It is probably BEFORE the next scheduled visit by the parents.
Blink34
08-10-2008, 11:05 PM
This photo...was it made during booking? I know it's not the mugshot, but WTH?
http://media.metronews.ca/images/b2/b1/2794a263490baa170d3599eba0c4.jpeg
I know she's a big ham, has an almost supernatural ability to know where a camera is and strike a pose...but this photo...is disturbing.
no quick, but she is wearing the same shirt as the one in her mug- your right to pose the question
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 11:05 PM
I was watching Geraldo and that's the strangest thing I've heard yet! Why would she do that?
Whoa! When Lee started talking about "interesting" phone records I thought he was going back down the SIM card road - in an effort to clear Casey.
If I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that she listed made up names along with neighbors phone numbers in her personal address book.
Add that to the inexplicable list.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 11:05 PM
So on geraldo, orlando salinas said something to the effect that Lee had found names of people Casey had mentioned (jeff, juliet I assume) in her address book with numbers of neighbors. He called the numbers and the neighbors and Lee were confused. I do not know if this is a physical address book or in a phone, I was under the impression LE had her phone and the blackjack was gone, if it even existed.
Wow, that's sooooo...weird! Poor Lee and poor neighbors. The Anthony's have had to see enough of stuff like this in their own investigation to know Casey hasn't told the truth about anything.
I asked the same question earlier this morning on another thread and no one responded. I would love to know. It is probably BEFORE the next scheduled visit by the parents.
I think it's Aug. 21, but not positive.
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 11:05 PM
So, she put the names of Juliet and Jeff with the phone numbers of neighbors?
Why would she do that, and more importantly, WHEN would she have done it?
They did not say the names but that they were names she said could verify etc. I assume Jeff and Juliet.
No timeline given.
txsvicki
08-10-2008, 11:06 PM
no quick, but she is wearing the same shirt as the one in her mug- your right to pose the question
I think it's a different shirt than when she was arrested. It was a lighter blue and a little different fit at the neckline.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 11:07 PM
Thankyou for the date.
Why is Lee doing any investigating? Why doesn't he turn it all over to LE?
panthera
08-10-2008, 11:07 PM
Whoa! When Lee started talking about "interesting" phone records I thought he was going back down the SIM card road - in an effort to clear Casey.
If I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that she listed made up names along with neighbors phone numbers in her personal address book.
Add that to the inexplicable list.
That's what I understood it to be! Lee called the phone numbers and it turned out it was the neighbors! :eek:
Would she have had time to do that between the first time she gave the cops those names, and when she was arrested?
shemc
08-10-2008, 11:08 PM
Exactly, I heard the same thing and though how did that total $50.00 worth of gas. I know gas prices are high, but come on!
I thought that also... Seems even George embellishes truth.
Girlrilla
08-10-2008, 11:08 PM
I think it's Aug. 21, but not positive.
I saw that as well.
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 11:08 PM
That's what I understood it to be! Lee called the phone numbers and it turned out it was the neighbors! :eek:
Wasn't that done the night they had her at home and before the last 911 call?
Cakegirl
08-10-2008, 11:08 PM
I was watching Geraldo and that's the strangest thing I've heard yet! Why would she do that?
Was this on Geraldo tonight? I watched his show lastnight... didn't know he was again tonight. On Fox, right?
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 11:08 PM
That's what I understood it to be! Lee called the phone numbers and it turned out it was the neighbors! :eek:
I am willing to bet a ZG number was in there as well.
SillyNilly
08-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Well, by August 21 the prosecution should have enough evidence, if they are going to at all, to charge her with further charges. I say that because those DNA tests are crucial.
Cakegirl
08-10-2008, 11:10 PM
That's what I understood it to be! Lee called the phone numbers and it turned out it was the neighbors! :eek:
So, were these Cindy & George's neighbors? Crazy! Just when I thought we'd heard it all... wow, wow, wow.
Carrington
08-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Hummm,
I can't think of a reason she would involve the neighbors in any scheme or scam.
More code stuff?
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 11:11 PM
Lee stated the other day, IIRC, that Casey is telling the truth the best she can. Or something like that. He's got to be thinking she's out of her mind.
amethyst221
08-10-2008, 11:12 PM
I am willing to bet a ZG number was in there as well.
Time spent partying like a rock star might have been better spent working on a more credible fake story. This is all so strange and illogical. I guess she thought just writing stuff in an address book would make it real.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 11:12 PM
Casey would do whatever it takes to promote her lying. Remember her famous quote? "All they want is Caylee back." I really think the essence of this is jealousy. SHe was jealous of that baby. She could've easily gotten those neighbors numbers and written them down.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 11:13 PM
Hummm,
I can't think of a reason she would involve the neighbors in any scheme or scam.
More code stuff?
I'm thinking she already had the numbers of the neighbors in her phone and quickly changed the name when she stepped away to go to the bathroom or something. Or probably during the ride to Universal or something. I don't think LE took her phone away before arresting her. KWIM?
Carrington
08-10-2008, 11:13 PM
Thankyou for the date.
Why is Lee doing any investigating? Why doesn't he turn it all over to LE?
He doesn't trust LE? Just like Casey and Cindy....
robotdog
08-10-2008, 11:14 PM
its crazy but at this point she knows the jig is up
and instead of coming clean she is doing what most criminals do
deny everything
and make then prove it
she isnt giving LE much credit
they are collecting, sifting, and going thru everything including friends statements all of this takes time.
the longer it takes - the harder it is for the family
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 11:14 PM
I'm thinking she already had the numbers of the neighbors in her phone and quickly changed the name when she stepped away to go to the bathroom or something. Probably during the ride to Universal or something. I don't think LE took her phone away before arresting her. KWIM?
I believe her phone was at tony's. This may have been a paper phonebook.
Leila
08-10-2008, 11:15 PM
anyone else shocked she refused visits tonight?
I'm not surprised that Casey is refusing to see her parents. This is not working out the way she thought it would. Her parents haven't posted her bond. and are cooperating with the LE investigation.
Last Wednesday, when Cindy said she wasn't going to visit Casey that day she was interviewed by reporters in her driveway. In that interview she said that "LE feels Casey is where she needs to be right now" and also that "Casey is in a safe place right now, so I'm not worried about her. I'm worried about Caylee, who might not be in a safe place." These aren't exact quotes, but close. What Cindy said was probably perceived by Casey as her mother agreeing that Casey was safe in jail, and not her number one priority.
McSev
08-10-2008, 11:15 PM
Originally Posted by AmyD
So, she put the names of Juliet and Jeff with the phone numbers of neighbors?
Why would she do that, and more importantly, WHEN would she have done it?
Oh my. "When" is an EXCELLENT question. I'm sure LE knows...they have all her phone records and I *think*, I'll have to check, you can "sync" your cell #'s that are on your phone or SIM either to your Contacts in email (laptop), or your AT&T account page.
liltigress
08-10-2008, 11:15 PM
If she wrote those numbers down the night before she got arrested, wow she was busy worrying about some CYA instead of finding Caylee. Odd... Just more to throw everyone and LE off track.
I wonder if it was Lee or the neighbors who let this story out. If it was Lee, that definitely shows a change in the family's loyalty!
panthera
08-10-2008, 11:16 PM
Was this on Geraldo tonight? I watched his show lastnight... didn't know he was again tonight. On Fox, right?
Yes, he was just on at 10pm (ET) on Fox News. :)
Dorvillian
08-10-2008, 11:16 PM
Time spent partying like a rock star might have been better spent working on a more credible fake story. This is all so strange and illogical. I guess she thought just writing stuff in an address book would make it real.
I'm just shaking my head. Wouldn't it have been easier and more effective to just make up numbers? What could be the point of this exercise?
It's starting to dawn on me that we're never gong to figure this out, because none of it makes any sense,
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 11:16 PM
Oh my. "When" is an EXCELLENT question. I'm sure LE knows...they have all her phone records and I *think*, I'll have to check, you can "sync" your cell #'s that are on your phone or SIM either to your Contacts in email (laptop), or your AT&T account page.
I didn't even think of an electronic phonebook not on the phone or a paperone. Like contacts on the PC, neat.
txsvicki
08-10-2008, 11:16 PM
Time spent partying like a rock star might have been better spent working on a more credible fake story. This is all so strange and illogical. I guess she thought just writing stuff in an address book would make it real.
I look forward to finding out when the plan fell through for Casey.
Cakegirl
08-10-2008, 11:17 PM
Yes, he was just on at 10pm (ET) on Fox News. :)
Thank you! :)
robotdog
08-10-2008, 11:17 PM
I'm just shaking my head. Wouldn't it have been easier and more effective to just make up numbers? What could be the point of this exercise?
It's starting to dawn on me that we're never gong to figure this out, because none of it makes any sense,
all things will become clear :)
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 11:17 PM
If she wrote those numbers down the night before she got arrested, wow she was busy worrying about some CYA instead of finding Caylee. Odd... Just more to throw everyone and LE off track.
Really makes me wonder what messages were deleted off of Myspace that night. Just think of what she would have done if she was given another day.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 11:19 PM
I still don't get the whole not trusting LE thing. George is former LE, her BF was LE till he resigned. What about the FBI? What's not to trust when a child is missing? Good Grief the resources alone of the LE, FBI and FDLE has to be astounding! If Casey wanted her found, she would've been found. Casey does not want this child found. It doesn't matter to her if it kills her parents, she does not want LE to find that baby.
liltigress
08-10-2008, 11:19 PM
Yes, if it was her cell phone book, she could have easily changed the names on a couple of numbers. But still... Why?
lilacwine
08-10-2008, 11:19 PM
If I were a relative...and I could get into see her...
I swear I'd look at her and say, "Casey... we found Caylee"....
Just to see what she did
liltigress
08-10-2008, 11:20 PM
Really makes me wonder what messages were deleted off of Myspace that night. Just think of what she would have done if she was given another day.
OH no doubt! I'm almost certain now that it was her that deleted those messages. I'm floored and I shouldn't be. She was covering her butt from day 1. That only proves one thing, huh?
robotdog
08-10-2008, 11:20 PM
I still don't get the whole not trusting LE thing. George is former LE, her BF was LE till he resigned. What about the FBI? What's not to trust when a child is missing? Good Grief the resources alone of the LE, FBI and FDLE has to be astounding! If Casey wanted her found, she would've been found. Casey does not want this child found. It doesn't matter to her if it kills her parents, she does not want LE to find that baby.
because the child will have evidence on her that her mother killed her that implicates her when the child is found
Cakegirl
08-10-2008, 11:21 PM
all things will become clear :)
Yep, and the "wow" factor (or "ugggh" factor) will be multiplied times 100. Sadly... :( I just can't wait for this to all be over. And I hope at the end, Caylee is able to be laid to rest in peace like she deserves.
Caylee didn't deserve this... and Casey didn't deserve to have such a beautiful little girl call her mommy. :furious:
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 11:21 PM
because the child will have evidence on her that her mother killed her that implicates her when the child is found
Bingo!
Sunshinegirl
08-10-2008, 11:21 PM
If I were a relative...and I could get into see her...
I swear I'd look at her and say, "Casey... we found Caylee"....
Just to see what she did
WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA!!!!!! :clap::clap::clap:
I'm just shaking my head. Wouldn't it have been easier and more effective to just make up numbers? What could be the point of this exercise?
It's starting to dawn on me that we're never gong to figure this out, because none of it makes any sense,
The only explanation I can come up with is that she was REALLY pressed for time and could only change the names, not the numbers.
crocus
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
I thought that also... Seems even George embellishes truth.
:confused:
Whether he said $50 or $5.....the cost is of no significance.
robotdog
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Yep, and the "wow" factor (or "ugggh" factor) will be multiplied times 100. Sadly... :( I just can't wait for this to all be over. And I hope at the end, Caylee is able to be laid to rest in peace like she deserves.
Caylee didn't deserve this... and Casey didn't deserve to have such a beautiful little girl call her mommy. :furious:
amen:)
Chezhire
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
I agree with this observation. If it were just about the lack of fuel, then Casey would have returned that day to get her means of transportation to and from the clubs (you know, to work on her investigation).
As I've asked in several threads now, how does one reconcile asking Tony to pick her up, meaning he knows where she left the car, with her wanting it to be stolen??? Are you guys saying she wanted it to be stolen from the lot from where it was finally recovered? If so, I still am not following, because Tony would have known that Caylee was NOT alive in the car when he picked up Casey, so if the car later turned up, and the exact same forensics are performed - same Caylee (?) forensic connection, which cannot be explained away by some random 3rd party stealing the vehicle from the Am. parking lot after Casey "ran out of gas," right? Again, I don't get why anyone thinks Casey intended for the car to be stolen from that parking lot - what would it have gained her if it later showed up??? Or is that just it: she hoped it would NEVER show up??? if so, she's not nearly as smart as she wants everyone to believe she is...:furious:
liltigress
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Did anyone see where it's been posted that there really is a Tom Manley? The guy Casey said was her boss from Universal? He is associated with Kodak. I did some looking and from what I can tell, Kodak is the group of photographers that hangs out at all the amusement parks and sells the pictures that are taken, like on roller coasters and such.
Openmyeyes
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Just before we were put on hold, I was going to post this question, so I did a little research and did not come up with anything. So here goes...
Where was George on the day or during the time Cindy went to find Casey? We know he went to pick up the car, but then what? Cindy states when she and Casey returned from the cop shop Lee was there and she was so glad he was. Was George there?
Cindy briefly mentions that the police immediately separated Casey from them, and they could be together, but Casey couldn't be with them. She inserts Lee into the scenario several times, but I don't hear he mention George.
I'm not sure where I want to go with this, but I'm finding it odd, considering the dynamics. Anyone else?
OME
ketel0ne
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
The only explanation I can come up with is that she was REALLY pressed for time and could only change the names, not the numbers.
WOW thats a good thought too.
SuziQ
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Yes, if it was her cell phone book, she could have easily changed the names on a couple of numbers. But still... Why?
Good god, who knows! It's so strange.
gigi2009
08-10-2008, 11:23 PM
If I were a relative...and I could get into see her...
I swear I'd look at her and say, "Casey... we found Caylee"....
Just to see what she did
Probably she'd say:
Great! Now give me Tony's number so he can pick me up when they release me. I want to go to Fusion!
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