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SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:00 AM
Earlier tonight posters who watched Geraldo said it was reported that the two Alibi witnesses of Casey that Lee was running down had the neighbors phone numbers. Creating a confusing situation when he unknowingly called the neighbors and asked for the other names. The names are presumed to be Jeff Hopkins and Juliet Lewis.

JBean
08-11-2008, 01:02 AM
Earlier tonight posters who watched Geraldo said it was reported that the two Alibi witnesses of Casey that Lee was running down had the neighbors phone numbers. Creating a confusing situation when he unknowingly called the neighbors and asked for the other names. The names are presumed to be Jeff Hopkins and Juliet Lewis.
I am not sure I understand what you mean. can you "splain?

OH! you mean the numbers under those names were the neighbors not the right people?

blondietx
08-11-2008, 01:06 AM
I am not sure I understand what you mean. can you "splain?

OH! you mean the numbers under those names were the neighbors not the right people?

Yep! Exactly.

JBean
08-11-2008, 01:07 AM
Yep! Exactly.
well now that is interesting.

amethyst221
08-11-2008, 01:11 AM
That's how I understand it. She was planting the names, to back up her story to LE and/or her family. I guess she could have made new entries altogether, with totally fake numbers, but that wouldn't get her anywhere for very long. I think it's probably attributing more intelligence to her than she has, but I guess she might in the past actually have called those neighbor numbers, and her cell phone records or her parents phone records would show that. Maybe she thought that "proved" she had been talking to these fake people. Weak, I know.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:12 AM
well now that is interesting.

Weird isn't it? Do you think one of those neighbors was Holly?

STEADFAST
08-11-2008, 01:14 AM
That is so lame! Surely Casey didn't think she was going to fool LE with that ploy. Her cover-up efforts are on the level of a 14-year-old trying to fool Mom.

JBean
08-11-2008, 01:14 AM
Weird isn't it? Do you think one of those neighbors was Holly?
Gosh I haveto some homework on this little bit of info.
I keep thinking about Mark Hacking and how far back his lies went.
Did you follow that case? I mean he lied about EVERYHTHING and no one had a clue.

JBean
08-11-2008, 01:15 AM
That is so lame! Surely Casey didn't think she was going to fool LE with that ploy. Her cover-up efforts are on the level of a 14-year-old trying to fool Mom.
More than lame it is just weird. I mean to what end?

RR0004
08-11-2008, 01:16 AM
Could she have been deleting names (or phone nymbers for that matter) from her phonebook and things got mixed up...like they didn't align any more. The only reason I ask is that wacky things have been going on with my cell phone and I don't know enough to explain it...yet alone fix it.

RR0004
08-11-2008, 01:17 AM
More than lame it is just weird. I mean to what end?
This is so out there that I seriously think there is something wrong in her head.

amethyst221
08-11-2008, 01:21 AM
I thought about a technical malfunction, but I had the impression we were talking about old fashioned paper, hard copy. This is the kind of stuff that worked on her usual manipulatees, and she isn't that smart, so why not?

JBean
08-11-2008, 01:22 AM
This is so out there that I seriously think there is something wrong in her head.
Did you follow mark hacking killing his wife Lori? That guy was living a lie.
It is a sickness.

liltigress
08-11-2008, 01:28 AM
I have Geraldo on now and I'll get to see this piece of the ever-so-twisting puzzle.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:29 AM
Gosh I haveto some homework on this little bit of info.
I keep thinking about Mark Hacking and how far back his lies went.
Did you follow that case? I mean he lied about EVERYHTHING and no one had a clue.

MH is local to me. My daughter helped search for Lori in the canyon Mark said she went missing from. My daughter came home and said there is no way Lori was ever there. She also said something about her car, the front seat being too far back for such a small lady or something when she walked by it.

STEADFAST
08-11-2008, 01:29 AM
More than lame it is just weird. I mean to what end?

I just don't think she's used to anyone really following up on her lies. She figured she could just hold the phone up and say, "See, they're real people. Here are their numbers in my phone. I'll call them to prove it. . . Gee nobody's answering." I think when Cindy said that whenever Casey lied she told the truth eventually, it meant that Cindy would just fall for another one of Casey's lame stunts, and Casey just thought that was how it goes everywhere. I also don't think it occurred to her that LE would be involved at any point. She's just not very smart.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:31 AM
This is so out there that I seriously think there is something wrong in her head.

I sure adds meaning to Lee's comment that said something like, Casey tells us the truth the best she can. I can't remember exactly how that was worded. He's got to be thinking she out of her mind no?

kathyn2
08-11-2008, 01:32 AM
I think Casey is REALLY nutty. I think she could get out of this mess with an insanity defense. She sure doesn't look very hard ahead. doesn't she realize her brother will call those numbers and find out in 30 seconds she lied? Whats the purpose??

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:34 AM
Did you follow mark hacking killing his wife Lori? That guy was living a lie.
It is a sickness.

Do you remember the length he went to regarding his med school graduation? That was nuts!

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:36 AM
And I keep thinking about the comment from the courts or the shrink that said her mental condition is hard to describe.

JBean
08-11-2008, 01:36 AM
Do you remember the length he went to regarding his med school graduation? That was nuts!
He was going to go to the graduation but decided not to at the last minute. He bought books, wrote papers everything.
Lori discovered his lies before they left for CHapel Hill Med school. What would he have done if she hadn't figured it out?
His lies were incredible. and not one person had any clue.

liltigress
08-11-2008, 01:37 AM
Wow, one former DA just says that Cindy and George should be charged with accessories after the fact at minimum.

Okay...
Lee was going through her phone book. I can't pinpoint either if that's electronic or paperback type phone book. But he called the names and one neighbor said "Lee why are you calling me?" and that's how it went ... weird, weird.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:41 AM
He was going to go to the graduation but decided not to at the last minute. He bought books, wrote papers everything.
Lori discovered his lies before they left for CHapel Hill Med school. What would he have done if she hadn't figured it out?
His lies were incredible. and not one person had any clue.

He sent out invitations and his family had a big party planned. He feigned he was sick at the last moment and it all had to be cancelled. What a you know what.

kathyn2
08-11-2008, 01:43 AM
Casey is another Marc Hacking. Unbelievable! Yep, she sounds just like him. Living a life that is a lie.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:44 AM
Wow, one former DA just says that Cindy and George should be charged with accessories after the fact at minimum.

Okay...
Lee was going through her phone book. I can't pinpoint either if that's electronic or paperback type phone book. But he called the names and one neighbor said "Lee why are you calling me?" and that's how it went ... weird, weird.

I wonder what explanation Lee gave?

Lee: Hi, can I speak to Jeff Hopkins?
Neighbor: Who?
Lee: Jeff Hopkins
Neighbor: Lee? Why are you calling me?

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 01:46 AM
Casey is another Marc Hacking. Unbelievable! Yep, she sounds just like him. Living a life that is a lie.

You know what? I think I'm going to make a thread called Mark Hacking vs. Casey Anthony. They are so many similarities but so many differences.

liltigress
08-11-2008, 01:50 AM
I wonder what explanation Lee gave?

Lee: Hi, can I speak to Jeff Hopkins?
Neighbor: Who?
Lee: Jeff Hopkins
Neighbor: Lee? Why are you calling me?

Haha.. That's pretty much the way they said it went on Geraldo tonight..

Casey sure did a lot of covering up and deleting at the last minute didn't she? That shows so much guilt.

Like someone with A.D.D. on steroids, she and Cindy played on myspace ... doing laundry... changed phone number entries... when were they supposed to have been asking questions about Caylee's kidnapper?

Not one bit of this makes sense, other than Casey loves a good party.

txsvicki
08-11-2008, 01:56 AM
Something like this could indicate that Casey was previously faking a job at Universal and people to be pretend to be with at times working late. Cindy may have caught her before, so at least some working numbers in a book would look like these were real people in case Cindy went snooping.

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 01:58 AM
Her cover-up efforts are on the level of a 14-year-old trying to fool Mom.

You know, you really said a mouthful there! Maybe that's exactly what she was attempting to do. Maybe thoughts of LE didn't even enter her head.

Selma

Jolynna
08-11-2008, 02:01 AM
The phone thing I can relate to.

When my ex was having an affair he would say he was meeting with clients and come home with names of people and phone numbers ect.

Although he was believable something didn't feel right so I looked up the clients in the phone book. The numbers did not match. I called the "clients" and they had NEVER heard of my ex husband.

My ex told me he lied because he was really playing golf instead of working. I believed him because I wasn't ready yet for the truth.

If you want to believe someone, they don't have to come up with good lies.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 02:03 AM
That is so lame! Surely Casey didn't think she was going to fool LE with that ploy. Her cover-up efforts are on the level of a 14-year-old trying to fool Mom.

That's probably close to the truth.

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 02:06 AM
I just don't think she's used to anyone really following up on her lies. She figured she could just hold the phone up and say, "See, they're real people. Here are their numbers in my phone. I'll call them to prove it. . . Gee nobody's answering." I think when Cindy said that whenever Casey lied she told the truth eventually, it meant that Cindy would just fall for another one of Casey's lame stunts, and Casey just thought that was how it goes everywhere. I also don't think it occurred to her that LE would be involved at any point. She's just not very smart.

You're my new best friend here. :crazy:
I did make a post very similar to yours earlier tonight saying nobody's ever called her on the carpet, which is why she never learned that lying doesn't work or that it's wrong. I agree......... she never even gave the notion of LE involvement a thought, but why not, considering her child was ....... ahem ...... abducted, right?
:bang:

DianeB
08-11-2008, 02:08 AM
Wow, one former DA just says that Cindy and George should be charged with accessories after the fact at minimum.

Okay...
Lee was going through her phone book. I can't pinpoint either if that's electronic or paperback type phone book. But he called the names and one neighbor said "Lee why are you calling me?" and that's how it went ... weird, weird.I can't believe Geraldo didn't make a bigger deal of the phon-y numbers. You can bet Greta and Nancy won't make the same mistake.

Did Casey babysit for these people, or go to school with their kids, or ? She doesn't seem the Neighborhood Watch type, so I'm wondering why she would have had these particular phone numbers programmed into her phone.

Were the phone numbers already in there and she changed the names, or are these new entries? I can envision her parents having the neighbors' numbers in a household phone book that she might have accessed.

If she got the numbers out of the family's phone book, it points to her changing them in the period of time between Cindy picking her up, and her arrest. Possibly that short period of time after her wild ride through multiple apartment complexes and an unplanned conference room meeting at Universal.

She'd just given the 'Jeff Hopkins' and 'Juliet Lewis' names to LE, but they may not at that point have gotten information out of the Uni HR dept, which may have wanted a little time to research its employment records. They also needed time to prepare the arrest affidavit.

I think Casey had a very short window of opportunity - a matter of hours - and she used it.

She may not be thinking clearly, but she's clearly cunning.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 02:13 AM
I can't believe Geraldo didn't make a bigger deal of the phon-y numbers. You can bet Greta and Nancy won't make the same mistake.



I like that. Maybe I should change the thread to read "Casey's Phoney Numbers". What do you think?

DianeB
08-11-2008, 02:14 AM
I'll bet you a quarter it's going to be a headline tomorrow.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 02:18 AM
I'll bet you a quarter it's going to be a headline tomorrow.

I bet so too.

Dang, I think I forgot how to change the title of a thread.

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 02:18 AM
I like that. Maybe I should change the thread to read "Casey's Phoney Numbers". What do you think?

That might inspire 500 more posts on this thread by morning, but if they're phony, they're phone-y. Definitely.
:)

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 02:18 AM
I bet so too.

Dang, I think I forgot how to change the title of a thread.

Edit your first post maybe?

thatswhatshesaid
08-11-2008, 02:19 AM
I'll bet you a quarter it's going to be a headline tomorrow.

And if it isn't, I respectfully suggest a few e-mails to Greta, a post on Gretawire, or something that will get Greta to focus on this particular development. I'd love to see Mark Fuhrman follow up on this.

I still can't believe Casey really thought...no, wait, I'm trying to assign the thinking of an average mom/daughter here on WS to her. My bad. :bang:

Liz
08-11-2008, 02:20 AM
I sure adds meaning to Lee's comment that said something like, Casey tells us the truth the best she can. I can't remember exactly how that was worded. He's got to be thinking she out of her mind no?

It's probably not the quote I'm thinking of, but I recall someone asking Lee if he thought Casey was telling the truth (about something specific, which I don't recall at the moment). If memory serves me correctly, he replied, "To the best of her ability".

txsvicki
08-11-2008, 02:20 AM
Also, if Cindy snooped or called the number and recognize a neighbor, Casey could just say that she must have gotten the neighbors number mixed up with Jeff's or Juliette's when switching over to a new phone.

thatswhatshesaid
08-11-2008, 02:20 AM
I like that. Maybe I should change the thread to read "Casey's Phoney Numbers". What do you think?

Love the title. Love it!

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 02:21 AM
Edit your first post maybe?

I did and it only changed the title of that post. I'm sure I've changed the title of a thread before. Maybe the mods have to? I like Diane's version better.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 02:21 AM
It's probably not the quote I'm thinking of, but I recall someone asking Lee if he thought Casey was telling the truth (about something specific, which I don't recall at the moment). If memory serves me correctly, he replied, "To the best of her ability".

Yes, thank you!

Liz
08-11-2008, 02:23 AM
SuziQ, you trying to change your thread title? Go into 'edit' and then from there 'advanced'. That should work.

TravelingBug
08-11-2008, 03:02 AM
Also, if Cindy snooped or called the number and recognize a neighbor, Casey could just say that she must have gotten the neighbors number mixed up with Jeff's or Juliette's when switching over to a new phone.

I think this one is going to be awfully hard for Casey to explain away. And I think technical error would be nearly impossible to explain away as well.

Had it only been ONE of those two numbers (Juliette OR Jeff) that'd be one thing, but it being these TWO vital names and numbers I think indicates there's no way in the world it's a fluke or anything other than intentional. ESPECIALLY since they both went to neighbors, not just other random people in her book.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 03:06 AM
SuziQ, you trying to change your thread title? Go into 'edit' and then from there 'advanced'. That should work.

I tried that and I'm sure that's how it was previously done right? I'm probably missing something simple.

ETA: whew, after trying a dozen times, I got the title to change. Don't know what I did different this time.

Thinaire
08-11-2008, 03:14 AM
I think Casey's treatment of her family is somewhat akin to how domestic violence victims deal with abuse.

The family is so used to "dealing" with her that they see nothing strange in the things WE find outlandish.

In other words...each day without a drama from Casey was good day...each day without a theft or meltdown a success. I would find her behavior/action intolerable, they accepted lesser degrees of her behavior/actions as normal because they DEAL with it, as an abuse victim deals with violence.

I think Liz is correct..."the best of her ability." Or "Casey is telling us in her own way."

She is 22 not 2! ARRRGGHHHH....

I think Casey providing the small details, numbers, made up babysitters, jobs...WAS like Mark Hacking IMO, so easy for them....normal people want to believe them. Normal people have no reason to question whether everything is a lie or not, especially when there is no reason to lie.

Manipulation and control are their "drugs" so to speak. Just like an abuser maintains control through fear, they lie to manipulate & control the people around them.

I watched Casey in court, heard her taped conversations...the way she uses words, structures them and presents herself is in itself a means to manipulate and CONTROL others.

The way the police described her walking purposefully down the hall at Universal; the clipped measured speech in the jail calls, the temper flares on the calls then throwing in the endearments; dressing for "work"; all part of her false presentation. Lies.

But they worked, up til now. I would bet a great avatar that the words/phrases that pepper her speech, her clipped manner of speaking & (day <LOL>)wardrobe helped BS her way into past employment and keep her there. It certainly worked on her family.

The boyfriend I believe dodged a BIG bullet...I think when Casey ran through her old friends and they caught onto her...parents wanted her to move out...that boyfriend was her bullseye. The cooking, the stays...he would not known what hit him...this girl was ready for a change of scenery and someone new to take care of her.

Thinaire
08-11-2008, 03:17 AM
Ahhh, and as long as I am rambling <LOL>

Refusing visits from family is the only thing she has left now... to show her family HER control.

Leila
08-11-2008, 03:25 AM
Earlier tonight posters who watched Geraldo said it was reported that the two Alibi witnesses of Casey that Lee was running down had the neighbors phone numbers. Creating a confusing situation when he unknowingly called the neighbors and asked for the other names. The names are presumed to be Jeff Hopkins and Juliet Lewis.

I missed the first half hour of Geraldo last night so I evidently missed this. But.........WOW! This does show a conscious attempt to cover up.

If Casey has been watching any of the national news coverage - Greta, Nancy Grace, Geraldo, etc. - then she's seen the legal analysts tearing apart her lies. She's got to know her lies are exposed.

STEADFAST
08-11-2008, 03:27 AM
You're my new best friend here. :crazy:
I did make a post very similar to yours earlier tonight saying nobody's ever called her on the carpet, which is why she never learned that lying doesn't work or that it's wrong. I agree......... she never even gave the notion of LE involvement a thought, but why not, considering her child was ....... ahem ...... abducted, right?
:bang:

Hey, new BFF!:)
I think she just thought she could point to an apartment, say she'd left Caylee there with the babysitter that she'd been pretending to have, and everybody would focus on the babysitter who had left with Caylee, never to be seen again. And she would be poor Casey, who needs extra attention.

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 03:37 AM
Ahhh, and as long as I am rambling <LOL>

Refusing visits from family is the only thing she has left now... to show her family HER control.

Totally agree with this!

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 03:46 AM
Hey, new BFF!:)
I think she just thought she could point to an apartment, say she'd left Caylee there with the babysitter that she'd been pretending to have, and everybody would focus on the babysitter who had left with Caylee, never to be seen again. And she would be poor Casey, who needs extra attention.

:wave:
Sounds reasonable . Forgive my having to ask, but -- which one of the players lives/lived across the street from the Sawgrass apartment building, do you know? By the way, the middle of the night is the best time to read and post here without going bonkers, imo.

S

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 03:51 AM
:wave:
Sounds reasonable . Forgive my having to ask, but -- which one of the players lives/lived across the street from the Sawgrass apartment building, do you know? By the way, the middle of the night is the best time to read and post here without going bonkers, imo.

S

I love the discussions that happen in the middle of the night. They get more in depth.

To answer about the Sawgrass apartments. Casey friends, Amy and Ricardo Lived across from the first location Casey pointed out to LE. She said ZG had lived there in years past. That building ended up being a Senior only housing complex and obviously a 26 year old ZG would never have been there.

Then Casey took LE to Sawgrass Apts. and said that's where she left Caylee the last time she saw her.

Lastly, Casey took LE to some Townhomes and claimed that ZG's mother Gloria lived in them. The neighbors never heard of a Gloria and didn't recognize pictures of Casey or Caylee.

Thinaire
08-11-2008, 03:53 AM
I missed the first half hour of Geraldo last night so I evidently missed this. But.........WOW! This does show a conscious attempt to cover up.

If Casey has been watching any of the national news coverage - Greta, Nancy Grace, Geraldo, etc. - then she's seen the legal analysts tearing apart her lies. She's got to know her lies are exposed.

Ohhh, yeah I'll bet its driving her crazy....:crazy:

I can imagine how limited jail hygiene, no fashion, no luxuries, communication and the inability to "Casey" her detractors is wearing her down.

Of course if she is a Scott Peterson...she may be adjusting just fine to her surroundings. In fact, think of it...no rent to pay, meals, no dealing with high GAS prices...might be just what Casey was looking for in her own life plan!:behindbar

Liz
08-11-2008, 04:07 AM
Ohhh, yeah I'll bet its driving her crazy....:crazy:

That's not a drive. It's a putt! ;)

I can imagine how limited jail hygiene, no fashion, no luxuries, communication and the inability to "Casey" her detractors is wearing her down.

Of course if she is a Scott Peterson...she may be adjusting just fine to her surroundings. In fact, think of it...no rent to pay, meals, no dealing with high GAS prices...might be just what Casey was looking for in her own life plan!:behindbar

My opinion about Casey in jail - I'm thinking she's probably quite content there. If they do have any say-so over tv privileges, they're all probably requesting to watch Geraldo, Greta, Nancy Grace - just to drive Casey nuts. In Casey's World, she's the star of the show! She obviously isn't anxious to face her family, eye to eye, and confront all those lies. I bet when she placed her collect call to TonE, he probably responded, "Casey who?? No, I refuse to accept charges!"

Time is on her side. It gives her a chance to make up more phony alibis!

Busylady
08-11-2008, 04:30 AM
I can not imagine what Lee is feeling. I am sure everytime he sees a name or something that matches his heart speeds up and he thinks they do exist Casey is telling the truth, only to be smacked in the face over and over. I think Lee is so desperately searching because if he can prove Casey is telling the truth it means Caylee is alive, if he can't prove it he has to accept Caylee is dead.

STEADFAST
08-11-2008, 04:39 AM
:wave:
Sounds reasonable . Forgive my having to ask, but -- which one of the players lives/lived across the street from the Sawgrass apartment building, do you know? By the way, the middle of the night is the best time to read and post here without going bonkers, imo.

S

I see SuzieQ answered your question. She's always got a good handle on the facts of a case.

SusieClue
08-11-2008, 09:23 AM
I think Casey's treatment of her family is somewhat akin to how domestic violence victims deal with abuse.

The family is so used to "dealing" with her that they see nothing strange in the things WE find outlandish.

In other words...each day without a drama from Casey was good day...each day without a theft or meltdown a success. I would find her behavior/action intolerable, they accepted lesser degrees of her behavior/actions as normal because they DEAL with it, as an abuse victim deals with violence.

I think Liz is correct..."the best of her ability." Or "Casey is telling us in her own way."

She is 22 not 2! ARRRGGHHHH....

I think Casey providing the small details, numbers, made up babysitters, jobs...WAS like Mark Hacking IMO, so easy for them....normal people want to believe them. Normal people have no reason to question whether everything is a lie or not, especially when there is no reason to lie.

Manipulation and control are their "drugs" so to speak. Just like an abuser maintains control through fear, they lie to manipulate & control the people around them.

I watched Casey in court, heard her taped conversations...the way she uses words, structures them and presents herself is in itself a means to manipulate and CONTROL others.

The way the police described her walking purposefully down the hall at Universal; the clipped measured speech in the jail calls, the temper flares on the calls then throwing in the endearments; dressing for "work"; all part of her false presentation. Lies.

But they worked, up til now. I would bet a great avatar that the words/phrases that pepper her speech, her clipped manner of speaking & (day <LOL>)wardrobe helped BS her way into past employment and keep her there. It certainly worked on her family.

The boyfriend I believe dodged a BIG bullet...I think when Casey ran through her old friends and they caught onto her...parents wanted her to move out...that boyfriend was her bullseye. The cooking, the stays...he would not known what hit him...this girl was ready for a change of scenery and someone new to take care of her.

Great summation - I agree 100% - also about her visit refusals - you are correct - it is the only play she has left.

SusieClue
08-11-2008, 09:24 AM
Ohhh, yeah I'll bet its driving her crazy....:crazy:

I can imagine how limited jail hygiene, no fashion, no luxuries, communication and the inability to "Casey" her detractors is wearing her down.

Of course if she is a Scott Peterson...she may be adjusting just fine to her surroundings. In fact, think of it...no rent to pay, meals, no dealing with high GAS prices...might be just what Casey was looking for in her own life plan!:behindbar

But no BEER PONG? :eek:

lisa0477
08-11-2008, 12:38 PM
I am sure this is talked about some place, just have not found it yet. Did Casey ever call Tony, the BF and if she did would it have been recorded. I wasn't sure if any call she made was recorded or only if they werer there visiting her it was recorded. If she hasn't yet spoken to Tony, if I were the police I would have had Tony call her and act like all is okay between the two of them. Especially before all the phone calls were released, she might have given him different info, no telling what she would have said to keep him.

athy
08-11-2008, 12:50 PM
I am sure this is talked about some place, just have not found it yet. Did Casey ever call Tony, the BF and if she did would it have been recorded. I wasn't sure if any call she made was recorded or only if they werer there visiting her it was recorded. If she hasn't yet spoken to Tony, if I were the police I would have had Tony call her and act like all is okay between the two of them. Especially before all the phone calls were released, she might have given him different info, no telling what she would have said to keep him.

not sure the link but i remember him stating to a reporter he hasn't spoken to casey since the arrest.

RR0004
08-11-2008, 01:04 PM
I think Casey's treatment of her family is somewhat akin to how domestic violence victims deal with abuse.

The family is so used to "dealing" with her that they see nothing strange in the things WE find outlandish.

In other words...each day without a drama from Casey was good day...each day without a theft or meltdown a success. I would find her behavior/action intolerable, they accepted lesser degrees of her behavior/actions as normal because they DEAL with it, as an abuse victim deals with violence.

I think Liz is correct..."the best of her ability." Or "Casey is telling us in her own way."

She is 22 not 2! ARRRGGHHHH....

I think Casey providing the small details, numbers, made up babysitters, jobs...WAS like Mark Hacking IMO, so easy for them....normal people want to believe them. Normal people have no reason to question whether everything is a lie or not, especially when there is no reason to lie.

Manipulation and control are their "drugs" so to speak. Just like an abuser maintains control through fear, they lie to manipulate & control the people around them.

I watched Casey in court, heard her taped conversations...the way she uses words, structures them and presents herself is in itself a means to manipulate and CONTROL others.

The way the police described her walking purposefully down the hall at Universal; the clipped measured speech in the jail calls, the temper flares on the calls then throwing in the endearments; dressing for "work"; all part of her false presentation. Lies.

But they worked, up til now. I would bet a great avatar that the words/phrases that pepper her speech, her clipped manner of speaking & (day <LOL>)wardrobe helped BS her way into past employment and keep her there. It certainly worked on her family.

The boyfriend I believe dodged a BIG bullet...I think when Casey ran through her old friends and they caught onto her...parents wanted her to move out...that boyfriend was her bullseye. The cooking, the stays...he would not known what hit him...this girl was ready for a change of scenery and someone new to take care of her.
An outstanding post!!

Dr. Pennypacker
08-11-2008, 01:10 PM
That is so lame! Surely Casey didn't think she was going to fool LE with that ploy. Her cover-up efforts are on the level of a 14-year-old trying to fool Mom.

that's where she has had the most practice...old habits are hard to break

Dr. Pennypacker
08-11-2008, 01:19 PM
I am sure this is talked about some place, just have not found it yet. Did Casey ever call Tony, the BF and if she did would it have been recorded. I wasn't sure if any call she made was recorded or only if they werer there visiting her it was recorded. If she hasn't yet spoken to Tony, if I were the police I would have had Tony call her and act like all is okay between the two of them. Especially before all the phone calls were released, she might have given him different info, no telling what she would have said to keep him.

I wonder too. She seems so driven to get his phone number so she could call him right away. She didn't want to waste time talking with her family or her girlfriend that was at the house.

Why did she want to talk with Tony so bad???

lisa0477
08-11-2008, 01:40 PM
It's been bothering me. In my opinion, I believe in her head he is the reason something happened to Caylee. I have no idea what she has done with her, or if it was an accident or what, but she is concerned with nothing else but him. He really needs to visit her and talk to her. Listening to her talk reminds me of being a teenager. I remember getting trouble for lying to my mom about where I was and I just got this new "boyfriend". I was so afraid he was going to break up with me because I was grounded and could not go anywhere, I wasn't even that worried about the trouble I was in, just him. How stupid that was, but I was young. This is exactly what she reminds me of. I had my first child when I was 20. My parents helped me raise him, I moved back home and I stayed home. My father wanted me to finish college and was willing to pay for what ever we needed. I got a job and moved out because I felt so guilty for them taking care of us. In ways I feel her family was taking care of Caylee in that same manner. My parents did watch my son if I wanted to go out on the weekends, or anything I needed. I was not like Casey, but I still got to have that time without him being neglected. I still am and will forever be greatful for my parents love for my son and the other three I now have. I know when I met my husband when my son was 3, my son stayed with them a lot more than he should have, I still regret that. This is why I feel very strongly about him being the reason something has happened to this sweet little girl. If she was left in a car, given away to someone, what ever has happened I believe the neglect happened because she was so wrapped up into this guy.
I don't really see her drowning, the only thing I kept thinking when it came to the pool was maybe she used it to wash her or Caylee off. May be a stupid thought, but was just my first thought.

Vegas Bride
08-11-2008, 02:05 PM
It's been bothering me. In my opinion, I believe in her head he is the reason something happened to Caylee. I have no idea what she has done with her, or if it was an accident or what, but she is concerned with nothing else but him. He really needs to visit her and talk to her. Listening to her talk reminds me of being a teenager. I remember getting trouble for lying to my mom about where I was and I just got this new "boyfriend". I was so afraid he was going to break up with me because I was grounded and could not go anywhere, I wasn't even that worried about the trouble I was in, just him. How stupid that was, but I was young. This is exactly what she reminds me of. I had my first child when I was 20. My parents helped me raise him, I moved back home and I stayed home. My father wanted me to finish college and was willing to pay for what ever we needed. I got a job and moved out because I felt so guilty for them taking care of us. In ways I feel her family was taking care of Caylee in that same manner. My parents did watch my son if I wanted to go out on the weekends, or anything I needed. I was not like Casey, but I still got to have that time without him being neglected. I still am and will forever be greatful for my parents love for my son and the other three I now have. I know when I met my husband when my son was 3, my son stayed with them a lot more than he should have, I still regret that. This is why I feel very strongly about him being the reason something has happened to this sweet little girl. If she was left in a car, given away to someone, what ever has happened I believe the neglect happened because she was so wrapped up into this guy.
I don't really see her drowning, the only thing I kept thinking when it came to the pool was maybe she used it to wash her or Caylee off. May be a stupid thought, but was just my first thought.

hmmmm makes me wonder what would happen if somehow Casey saw new photos of Tony partying it up in the club with some new hot girlfriend?

VB

maskedwoman
08-11-2008, 02:24 PM
Ahhh, and as long as I am rambling <LOL>

Refusing visits from family is the only thing she has left now... to show her family HER control.


Having a sociopath in my family, I agree with your assessment completely. My grandparents were so used to my Uncle's manipulative behavior, they would just look at us with blank surprise when we expressed amazement or disapproval.

wanttohelp
08-11-2008, 10:29 PM
The phony work number she gave police according to warrant. The number belongs to William L. W....

drip~drop
08-11-2008, 11:06 PM
I can not imagine what Lee is feeling. I am sure everytime he sees a name or something that matches his heart speeds up and he thinks they do exist Casey is telling the truth, only to be smacked in the face over and over. I think Lee is so desperately searching because if he can prove Casey is telling the truth it means Caylee is alive, if he can't prove it he has to accept Caylee is dead.


I think that after a lifetime of putting up with his sisters bs, he's done with it.
At this point I believe his main concern is his precious Caylee.
My heart breaks for him.
Now, everything major in his life will be tainted with sadness over Caylee. His wedding, his first child.....the family vacations with their kids playing that will never be....so much.
Christmas is just months away too. :(

my2cents
08-11-2008, 11:19 PM
The phony work number she gave police according to warrant. The number belongs to William L. W...

Do you have a link for the new affidavit with this info? TIA!

my2cents
08-11-2008, 11:24 PM
Duh, nevermind. I just realized that you got the number from the SW and looked it up :)

Broderick
01-14-2009, 03:14 PM
Bumping this to see if anyone knows who the two neighbors were and what the listings on the phone actually were.


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Jolynna
01-14-2009, 03:29 PM
Gosh I haveto some homework on this little bit of info.
I keep thinking about Mark Hacking and how far back his lies went.
Did you follow that case? I mean he lied about EVERYHTHING and no one had a clue.

Christian Longo too. Both before he killed his family and then he fooled everyone in Mexico into believing he was a writer from the NYT.

tx_Dot
01-14-2009, 03:56 PM
Bumping this to see if anyone knows who the two neighbors were and what the listings on the phone actually were.


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LOL....no wonder this info so hard to find :)

It was pre-"KC" (listed under Casey)

The phone numbers were not *phon-y* (numbers were real)......the names listed were fake.

Maybe now we'll get some clues:woohoo:

weasel
01-14-2009, 03:58 PM
Did you follow mark hacking killing his wife Lori? That guy was living a lie.
It is a sickness.


Yep. That was craziness too, wasn't it?

TxMother67
01-14-2009, 04:15 PM
The phone thing I can relate to.

When my ex was having an affair he would say he was meeting with clients and come home with names of people and phone numbers ect.

Although he was believable something didn't feel right so I looked up the clients in the phone book. The numbers did not match. I called the "clients" and they had NEVER heard of my ex husband.

My ex told me he lied because he was really playing golf instead of working. I believed him because I wasn't ready yet for the truth.

If you want to believe someone, they don't have to come up with good lies.


* bolded by me*

:clap::clap:
I know this all too well! Casey didn't have to try all that hard. Cindy would have believed her regardless. Fake job, fake nanny, fake friends and a missing/declared deceased granddaughter. Cindy STILL believes Casey is innocent! Call me crazy, but I think Casey ought to be working on a masterpiece of a story for the jury. They will demand the truth~unlike Cindy!

SuziQ
01-14-2009, 04:21 PM
Bumping this to see if anyone knows who the two neighbors were and what the listings on the phone actually were.


?

Omg, thank you for finding this! I've been thinking about this alot lately. I would love to know who they were as well.

MyTinkieGirl
01-14-2009, 04:22 PM
Just went back to some original docs...one number she used was Brittany S. for Juliet...Lee had just got off the phone with Brit, then called back looking for Juliet.
Brittany S. transcripts...pg 1254 - 1255

marla
01-14-2009, 04:22 PM
LOL....no wonder this info so hard to find :)

It was pre-"KC" (listed under Casey)

The phone numbers were not *phon-y* (numbers were real)......the names listed were fake.

Maybe now we'll get some clues:woohoo:

The number Casey had programmed into her phone as Universal was actually ATT Collections!! :clap: :D

tx_Dot
01-14-2009, 04:26 PM
Omg, thank you for finding this! I've been thinking about this alot lately. I would love to know who they were as well.

LOL...I've been asking about it too, for awhile......

yay...Broderick he found it.

tx_Dot
01-14-2009, 04:32 PM
The number Casey had programmed into her phone as Universal was actually ATT Collections!! :clap: :D

I don't doubt it .....KC said she would "lie, steal, & cheat"......but I think it was only to keep her phone connected.

shelbar53
01-14-2009, 04:45 PM
look on her phone records. she has universal listed and its actually ATT&T collection department.

Mermaid
01-14-2009, 05:02 PM
This totally makes sense to me, given what we know about Casey. She truly does "live in the moment", unable to plan even 10 minutes ahead. She thinks it proves those people exist; "See? Here are their phone numbers, right here in my cell phone." Period. Like LE is really going to say "Oh, Ok Casey." and go away. (DUH). She lies to get herself out of a predicament for the moment, not giving any thought to what is going to happen when the next question comes down the pike.

Another example of this behavior is pulling up to Universal and saying "I lost my badge", then walking "purposefully" down the hallway. One minute at a time. Finally hit the wall and had to say "I was lying" since she couldn't find an empty desk to claim was hers.

Typical.

mysteriew
01-14-2009, 05:02 PM
Omg, thank you for finding this! I've been thinking about this alot lately. I would love to know who they were as well.

If you can find the numbers you can run a reverse search on yellow pages or switchboard.

yanknrebel
01-14-2009, 05:43 PM
In one of the visits that lee had with Casey that NG showed recently, there was a conversation regarding the 2 phone numbers to Juliet and Jeff . I dont remember exactly what was said but something to the effect, that Casey asked Lee if he had those 2 numbers and he said yes. I don;t remember if he named them by name but I knew he was referring to Juliet and jeff. I think something was said about her friends that worked with her and if he had found those numbers or if he had called those numbers and he said yes. I remember thinking, How could he call those people if they were not real? This has been bugging me. So I guess he called them but got the wrong people. So once again, all this talking in code. WHo does Casey think she is an undercover agent? WHo talks like this? Or does this? Does anyone else remember hearing this on the video?

amyLynn
01-14-2009, 06:07 PM
I saw that on NG too. I was disturbed by Lee's reply that he had called and verified those numbers, but he did not state who the "employees" were. While trying to follow Lee and Casey's code talk I could only assume it was them. But, of course, assumptions are not any good. Very puzzling.

tx_Dot
01-14-2009, 06:20 PM
In one of the visits that lee had with Casey that NG showed recently, there was a conversation regarding the 2 phone numbers to Juliet and Jeff . I dont remember exactly what was said but something to the effect, that Casey asked Lee if he had those 2 numbers and he said yes. [B]I don;t remember if he named them by name but I knew he was referring to Juliet and jeff. I think something was said about her friends that worked with her and if he had found those numbers or if he had called those numbers and he said yes.{/B] I remember thinking, How could he call those people if they were not real? This has been bugging me. So I guess he called them but got the wrong people. So once again, all this talking in code. WHo does Casey think she is an undercover agent? WHo talks like this? Or does this? Does anyone else remember hearing this on the video?

MY bold....

Darn I musta missed that on NG......

That's what we're looking for the 'real' numbers that were listed with 'fake' names.....

I'm begging to think we only heard about these numbers & never really saw them :mad:

AlwaysShocked
11-18-2009, 09:19 AM
Re-reading interviews. Neighbor Brittany S. interviewd on 7/24/08 tells LE that LA called her during morning of 7/16, then later that day called back and asked to speak to "Juliet". When Brittany said "No, it's me, Brittany, Lee" he got frustrated and said KC had given him incorrect numbers for people.

So as early as the morning of the 16th the family KNEW she was trying to pull a fast one on them.

Crabcake23
11-18-2009, 09:57 AM
I'm going to need more coffee first, then read this thread again. Because I'm not understanding why she'd go to that much trouble for something that would take 10 seconds to unravel and expose.

Intermezzo
11-18-2009, 10:30 AM
Also, if Cindy snooped or called the number and recognize a neighbor, Casey could just say that she must have gotten the neighbors number mixed up with Jeff's or Juliette's when switching over to a new phone.

IMO Casey would have been angered that Cindy checked up and then Cindy would back down and believe then new story.

Intermezzo
11-18-2009, 10:42 AM
I don't doubt it .....KC said she would "lie, steal, & cheat"......but I think it was only to keep her phone connected.

I agree.
IN RG's interview he said she took money from JG to pay a phone bill years ago, she stole money from her Grandfather's assisted living account to pay a phone bill...and Amy's cash that mysteriously went missing was IMO probably also used to pay her phone bill.
:waitasec: But wait....IIRC she did pay for Caylee's 2nd bday cake with money she stole from her Grandmother.

Misfitdolly
11-18-2009, 11:28 AM
Does anyone know if Brittney S lives at one of the "between 9 and 1" addresses?

ZsaZsa
11-18-2009, 12:10 PM
look on her phone records. she has universal listed and its actually ATT&T collection department.

Oh, I love that! Thanks. :woohoo:

shezcrafti
11-18-2009, 01:45 PM
I just don't think she's used to anyone really following up on her lies. She figured she could just hold the phone up and say, "See, they're real people. Here are their numbers in my phone. I'll call them to prove it. . . Gee nobody's answering." I think when Cindy said that whenever Casey lied she told the truth eventually, it meant that Cindy would just fall for another one of Casey's lame stunts, and Casey just thought that was how it goes everywhere. I also don't think it occurred to her that LE would be involved at any point. She's just not very smart.

The ironic part is, if Casey just knew when to shut up, she could have probably gotten away with a lot more. But luckily for LE, she just loves to hear herself talk! :dj: She has an answer in her back pocket for everything. This girl "knows" more about about these (imaginary) people than she knows about members of her own family. It's very telling.

cecybeans
11-18-2009, 02:23 PM
look on her phone records. she has universal listed and its actually ATT&T collection department.

LMAO! I guess it means when that number calls you have to be an "Event Planner" to figure out how to get that payment, uh, job accomplished.

KenoshaKid
11-18-2009, 03:16 PM
She thinks it proves those people exist; "See? Here are their phone numbers, right here in my cell phone." Period. Like LE is really going to say "Oh, Ok Casey." and go away. (DUH). She lies to get herself out of a predicament for the moment, not giving any thought to what is going to happen when the next question comes down the pike.


snipped for brevity

Well, this weird logic must work on her mom, because CA was the one who came up with the gem that if Zanny had a dog then there must be a Zanny. Likewise, if Juliet is in KC's phone there must be a Juliet. :waitasec:

Boy, my mom would've never fallen for that line of baloney for a second, LOL!! :crazy:

Tulessa
11-18-2009, 07:24 PM
Haha.. That's pretty much the way they said it went on Geraldo tonight..

Casey sure did a lot of covering up and deleting at the last minute didn't she? That shows so much guilt.

Like someone with A.D.D. on steroids, she and Cindy played on myspace ... doing laundry... changed phone number entries... when were they supposed to have been asking questions about Caylee's kidnapper?

Not one bit of this makes sense, other than Casey loves a good party.
That's an interesting statement, particularly after this last doc dump. Hmmmmmmmm.

Reagan
11-18-2009, 07:32 PM
Re-reading interviews. Neighbor Brittany S. interviewd on 7/24/08 tells LE that LA called her during morning of 7/16, then later that day called back and asked to speak to "Juliet". When Brittany said "No, it's me, Brittany, Lee" he got frustrated and said KC had given him incorrect numbers for people.

So as early as the morning of the 16th the family KNEW she was trying to pull a fast one on them.

That's one of the very reasons that disgusts me about lee saying in his Morgan deposition that he still believes everything his sister told him.. when in reality he was frustrated that KC was lying to him and giving him bogus numbers. He admitted to Tony L, while secretly being recorded, that KC is a liar, and thinks she lies for the heck of it.

Are we just supposed to pretend the A's previous statements never happened? Do they really think we're that stupid, having the memory of a goldfish, and don't remember all the things they've said since July 16th?
Give me a break.

Reagan
11-18-2009, 07:33 PM
That's an interesting statement, particularly after this last doc dump. Hmmmmmmmm.

Can you expound on your comment, please and thank you!

O/T How many dogs do you have? I've seen 3 different ones so far hehe

sleutherontheside
11-18-2009, 08:38 PM
I find it curious that Lee offered the name "Heather" as the individual that could confirm KC's story about Jeff and Juliet. AND.....that some of the NLHF directors were reportedly involved in a credit card scam referenced on the internet under "Heather from card services".

ZsaZsa
11-18-2009, 09:04 PM
* bolded by me*

:clap::clap:
I know this all too well! Casey didn't have to try all that hard. Cindy would have believed her regardless. Fake job, fake nanny, fake friends and a missing/declared deceased granddaughter. Cindy STILL believes Casey is innocent! Call me crazy, but I think Casey ought to be working on a masterpiece of a story for the jury. They will demand the truth~unlike Cindy!

I think Cindy KNOWS absolutely that Casey did this- she didn't believe any of her stories. While she is pretending she did to the outside world, it's quite clear from her conversations with Lee and others, that she didn't believe a single word of it.
It's all damage control - specially any damage to Cindy's image.

ThommyMac
11-18-2009, 11:43 PM
My opinion about Casey in jail - I'm thinking she's probably quite content there.

With all due respect, I doubt it. Feel free to go here:The County Lock-Up (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1928630/what_happens_after_you_get_arrested.html?cat=7)

and then here:YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

Even if she is in county PC (the incarcerated world's kiddieland), the penitentiary's version of PC is almost the same as the SHU except they get commissary.