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hinkymeter
08-11-2008, 02:16 AM
I forget what date this phone call was on but it's the one where she gets into with her mom, then talks to Lee begging for Tony's phone number and then talking to Kristina.

http://www.local6.com/news/16993169/detail.html

"But you are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?" Kristina asked.

"That I have no clue where my daughter is?" Casey Anthony said. "Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth."

The question was "are you telling the truth?" Casey re-states the question "you mean where MY DAUGHTER IS? Yes, THAT is the truth."

She had to narrow down the question because the other obvious choices were:

"Do you know what happened to her? Is she dead? Did you or someone else kill her? Did she die accidentally? Did you sell her?", etc. etc.

I believe she doesn't know where her daughter is right now. That doesn't mean I don't believe she doesn't know what HAPPENED to her daughter. But, I think she answered that one question honestly, for once. She can then go back and say "well you never asked me if I knew what HAPPENED to her. I said I didn't know where she WAS. And I didn't."

Maybe someone else disposed of her body after "an accident"?

Also, who is Mike?

http://www.local6.com/news/16993169/detail.html

"Yes, he does," Casey Anthony said. "He has Tony's number in his phone. He needs to stop (expletive) lying. He just told me a second ago that he'd give me the number."

"So, if I go and get you Tony's number, are you going to finish talking to me?" Kristina said.

"I will call you tomorrow," Casey Anthony said. "I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days.

"Listen, if you are going to talk to anybody, you can talk to me," Kristina said."

She wants Tony's number but she wanted to actually try and call Mike? Mike who?

Also, if anyone can date this transcript, I'd appreciate it!

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 02:24 AM
7/25 is the date per this URL:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html
And here's a tiny in case that doesn't work: http://tinyurl.com/5g3gdh

Liz
08-11-2008, 02:37 AM
Good post, hinkymeter!

BTW, :Welcome-12-june: to websleuths! :)

Truly
08-11-2008, 02:39 AM
The transcript, I believe, is *Casey's first call home from jail*, which I suppose would be the night she was *arrested*, July 16th. It has been speculated in the numbered threads (sorry, I have no idea which number), that she was hoping to speak with Mike Walker, (who was referred to by her mysterious jailhouse video visitor, Patrick).

It could also have been Mike Walsh, who recently stepped in for a cameo as Casey's co-council. JJ Sanchez, organizer of the FireballRun, and formerly of Catalyst Studios and Studio Companies, Inc., has a pal named Mike Walsh, aka 'Movie Mike', who owns Premier Studio Rentals.

I haven't researched either the Lawyer Mike or the Movie Mike. I don't know who is for real in this draamma.

I love your posts, hink.

SuziQ
08-11-2008, 02:49 AM
One of our sleuthers did a better transcript and after listening to the call Casey is saying "I just want to try and call it a night". I'll see if I can find that thread, BRB.

ETA:Of course I can't find it now. I'm going cross eyed at this point.

hinkymeter
08-11-2008, 02:50 AM
Thanks Liz and Truly :)

I was trying to get the exact date on that phone call because, if it really is July 16, why hasn't she slept for "4 days, 4 days"? Nothing was happening, other than guilt, from July 12th on, right? And she talked to Caylee, allegedly, on July 15th and the type of person she seems to be, it would have SEEMED that, even if she were "missing", the July 15th call would have put her at ease. Granted, a normal person it wouldn't have put at ease but... we're talking about Casey here.

And Truly, that whole Fireballrun thing... it's going off (the hinky meter, that is) , I don't care what anyone else says.

SelmaClue
08-11-2008, 04:28 AM
Thanks Liz and Truly :)

I was trying to get the exact date on that phone call because, if it really is July 16, why hasn't she slept for "4 days, 4 days"? Nothing was happening, other than guilt, from July 12th on, right? And she talked to Caylee, allegedly, on July 15th and the type of person she seems to be, it would have SEEMED that, even if she were "missing", the July 15th call would have put her at ease. Granted, a normal person it wouldn't have put at ease but... we're talking about Casey here.

And Truly, that whole Fireballrun thing... it's going off (the hinky meter, that is) , I don't care what anyone else says.


Good question, but easily explained. There's no time for sleep when you're going to work each day plus searching for your daughter's abductor (or worse) annnnnd partying -- simultaneously. At least it would be exhausting for me. Whew!

Dr. X
11-04-2008, 02:02 PM
hey the Hinkey Meter is back..

sadieMA
11-04-2008, 02:23 PM
This transcript doesn't mention a "mike". http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

"I, I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick now. I want to actually close my eyes. I haven’t slept in four days. I have not slept in four days."

4oneluv
11-04-2008, 02:28 PM
I forget what date this phone call was on but it's the one where she gets into with her mom, then talks to Lee begging for Tony's phone number and then talking to Kristina.

http://www.local6.com/news/16993169/detail.html

"But you are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?" Kristina asked.

"That I have no clue where my daughter is?" Casey Anthony said. "Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth."

The question was "are you telling the truth?" Casey re-states the question "you mean where MY DAUGHTER IS? Yes, THAT is the truth."

She had to narrow down the question because the other obvious choices were:

"Do you know what happened to her? Is she dead? Did you or someone else kill her? Did she die accidentally? Did you sell her?", etc. etc.

I believe she doesn't know where her daughter is right now. That doesn't mean I don't believe she doesn't know what HAPPENED to her daughter. But, I think she answered that one question honestly, for once. She can then go back and say "well you never asked me if I knew what HAPPENED to her. I said I didn't know where she WAS. And I didn't."

Maybe someone else disposed of her body after "an accident"?

Also, who is Mike?

http://www.local6.com/news/16993169/detail.html

"Yes, he does," Casey Anthony said. "He has Tony's number in his phone. He needs to stop (expletive) lying. He just told me a second ago that he'd give me the number."

"So, if I go and get you Tony's number, are you going to finish talking to me?" Kristina said.

"I will call you tomorrow," Casey Anthony said. "I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days.

"Listen, if you are going to talk to anybody, you can talk to me," Kristina said."

She wants Tony's number but she wanted to actually try and call Mike? Mike who?

Also, if anyone can date this transcript, I'd appreciate it!


I believe the date is 7/24 or 7/25 pretty sure it is 7/24/08

Baznme
11-04-2008, 02:48 PM
From the first phone KC call from jail. "Tony has not seen Caylee since the beginning of June," Casey Anthony said. "What's Tony's number again?"

Kristina gives the number again.

I am also curious as to who "Mike" is but I find it interesting that Tony hasn't seen Caylee since the beginning of June. Where was she the first 2 weeks of June? Was she seen by other friends but not Tony?

Balthazar
11-04-2008, 02:54 PM
The question of the last time Tony saw Caylee is bothersome to me. In his police interview he stated that he had not seen Caylee since early June, but his roommates said they saw Caylee on June 13. I would love to ask the roommates exactly where they saw her and if Tony was there or not. I'm not implying any wrongdoing on anyone's part, I just would like this discrepancy cleared up.

Baznme
11-04-2008, 03:07 PM
This transcript doesn't mention a "mike". http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

"I, I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick now. I want to actually close my eyes. I havenít slept in four days. I have not slept in four days."


'That makes more sense Sadie. Thanks.'

LI_Mom
11-04-2008, 03:29 PM
The question of the last time Tony saw Caylee is bothersome to me. In his police interview he stated that he had not seen Caylee since early June, but his roommates said they saw Caylee on June 13. I would love to ask the roommates exactly where they saw her and if Tony was there or not. I'm not implying any wrongdoing on anyone's part, I just would like this discrepancy cleared up.

"Early June" is pretty vague. Why isn't June 13th still considered "early" in the month?

I don't find it at all bothersome that someone would say "early June" when trying to give a general idea of when he last saw a child he actually barely knew.

Fact is.... none of Casey's new male friends have any reason to give much thought to when they see Caylee or who might be watching her. IF they even bother to ask Casey about her, it's most likely just a casual question they think to ask & they really don't care one way or the other.

Spangle
11-04-2008, 03:42 PM
I find it interesting that both KC and Tony say "early June." And the room mates say June 13th.

Spangle
11-04-2008, 03:49 PM
"Early June" is pretty vague. Why isn't June 13th still considered "early" in the month?

I don't find it at all bothersome that someone would say "early June" when trying to give a general idea of when he last saw a child he actually barely knew.

Fact is.... none of Casey's new male friends have any reason to give much thought to when they see Caylee or who might be watching her. IF they even bother to ask Casey about her, it's most likely just a casual question they think to ask & they really don't care one way or the other.

Actually, they do. The key word here is "friend." Friends know and ask such things. New folks ask such things to get a bead on a person. Who or what they are.

Also, just because they are Male, doesn't mean they don't care about kids or have an opinion about how kids should be raised. Some of t hem might have a kid in such a situation. Watching a single Mother, makes them think about their own, or a friends, or their brothers, etc.

Jolynna
11-04-2008, 03:58 PM
I find it interesting that both KC and Tony say "early June." And the room mates say June 13th.

I thought on June 13, Nate watched Caylee while Casey was in Tony's room with Tony.

Maybe Tony didn't leave his room. Possibly Casey dropped Caylee off at the door with the roommate, had some afternoon delight and then took Caylee home to Cindy while Tony slept.

Maybe Casey didn't require that Tony meet her at the door.

LI_Mom
11-04-2008, 03:58 PM
Actually, they do. The key word here is "friend." Friends know and ask such things. New folks ask such things to get a bead on a person. Who or what they are.

Also, just because they are Male, doesn't mean they don't care about kids or have an opinion about how kids should be raised. Some of t hem might have a kid in such a situation. Watching a single Mother, makes them think about their own, or a friends, or their brothers, etc.

I agree with you & I don't mean to sound sexist.

My point is that I believe all these NEW 'friends' she's hanging out with are pretty casual friends and don't think much of Casey to begin with.

One of the guys told police that HE was in charge of watching Caylee while Casey & Tony were busy in the bedroom. I suspect HE might have been the one who provided a specific date since it's likely he thought it was reckless to leave a baby with a virtual stranger while you're in the other room having sex.

I just don't think this was a group of people who were emotionally invested in Casey so I doubt they gave more than a quick passing thought to Caylee.

OneLostGrl
11-04-2008, 04:04 PM
Actually, they do. The key word here is "friend." Friends know and ask such things. New folks ask such things to get a bead on a person. Who or what they are.

Also, just because they are Male, doesn't mean they don't care about kids or have an opinion about how kids should be raised. Some of t hem might have a kid in such a situation. Watching a single Mother, makes them think about their own, or a friends, or their brothers, etc.


I agree also could be they themselves were raised in such a situation..

Spangle
11-04-2008, 04:41 PM
I thought on June 13, Nate watched Caylee while Casey was in Tony's room with Tony.

Maybe Tony didn't leave his room. Possibly Casey dropped Caylee off at the door with the roommate, had some afternoon delight and then took Caylee home to Cindy while Tony slept.

Maybe Casey didn't require that Tony meet her at the door.

Still, the phrase is the same. "Early June"

As for the other, IT's strange that 'after the fact" that it wasn't mentioned to Tony that Caylee was there. Or that he didn't hear Caylee in the other room, etc. Another words, have knowledge that she was in his home, on or about that date.

When Jessie was interviewed and asked that question, while he didn't see Caylee, he reported when he heard her in the background and another time he thought he heard her.

Tony? Just early June. Even tho room mates say she was at the apartment, being babysited by a room mate, while he was doing the wild thing with Mommy.

justbeachy
11-04-2008, 07:26 PM
"That I have no clue where my daughter is?" Casey Anthony said. "Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth."

Casey has said this and similar responses several times. I think she answered similarly when she was being questioned at Universal. I have always had this nagging feeling that she was telling the truth here. Almost like a child who technically answers the question truthfully but in reality is lying. They only answer the literal, specific question being asked of them.

And if that is true, that she doesn't know where Caylee is NOW, why doesn't she know? What are the options for that?

I suppose someone else could have moved her. "Disposed" of the body for Casey and Casey truly doesn't know where (plausible deniability and she might even pass a lie detector on that question).

And, another option is a possibility. I can barely bring myself to type these words, but one of my greatest fears is that she put Caylee in an alligator-infested area knowing that there would be nothing left for anyone to find. On one hand, that's a gamble...what if someone found the body before a gator did? On the other hand, it's almost a sure-fire way to dispose of a body. I have a similar fear about Trenton Duckett.

Any other ideas of why she wouldn't know where Caylee is right NOW? Aside from the ludicrous babysitter/kidnapping story, I mean.

LI_Mom
11-04-2008, 07:31 PM
Any other ideas of why she wouldn't know where Caylee is right NOW? Aside from the ludicrous babysitter/kidnapping story, I mean.

Maybe she WATCHED a gator drag Caylee's body under water?

Pink Panther
11-04-2008, 07:35 PM
Chances are that she either put the body in a dumpster, in water or left it in the woods. In any of these scenarios, it's likely to have moved. If she went back to look (which she likely did) she may not have been able to see it anymore. Hence, she can say that she doesn't know where Caylee is. I guess this could be quite meaningful if we had a better idea of how she disposed of the body...This comment of hers really bothers me because if it is KC's bit of truth, it means that the odds are against finding Caylee.

MOO

MADJGNLAW
11-04-2008, 08:48 PM
Transcripts of jail call between Cindy and Casey on July 18, 2008

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608jailcall/1/lg/Transcript_of_jail_call_between_Cindy_and_Casey_7-18-08_Page_01.htm


Pg 3: Lee I don't know what real good it's going to do you at this point
CMA: Well I'd like to talk to him anyway.
LA: Okay
CMA: Because I called to talk TO MY MOTHER AND IT'S A F'N WASTE. OH, BY THE WAY i don't want any of you coming up here when i have my, my first hearing for bond and everything else. Like don't even waste your times coming up here
LA: You know your having a real tough, you're making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even assist you with giving you somebody's phone number.

Pg 4 line 7:
LA: and the stuff you've been putting Mom through for the last four or five weeks. I'm done with that. So, you can tell me what's going on. Christina would love to talk to you because she thinks that you will tell her what's going on. Frankly, we're going to find out something, whatever going on, it's going to be found out. So why not do it now and save yourself...
CMA; There's nothing..
LA: some issues.
CMA: to find out. There's absolutely nothing to find out. NOT EVEN WHAT I TOLD THE DETECTIVES
LA: Well, you know everything that your telling them is a lie
CMA: I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was do you think any of this would be happening? No.
LA: anyway, YOU ONLY GOT A COUPLE MINUTES OF THIS SO I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU CLEARLY WASTE IT. Here's Christina. She thinks she can get through to you.
CMA: No! No! I want Tony's number, I'm not talking to anybody else

Pg 8 line 17
KC: Okay, so why do you want to talk to Tony? But you..
CMA: I
KC: YOU DON'T WANT, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO TELL ME, DO YOU?
cma: hUH?
KC: YOU DON'T WANT, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO TELL ME, DO YOU?
CMA: What are you, well I didn't hear what you said
KC: I said does Tony have anything to do with Caylee

Note: KC (Christina) was implying to Casey not tell her anything about Tony twice.

Pg 9
KC:"line 5" Okay, Uhm, he doesn't, Lee says he doesn't have Tony's phone number.
CMA: Yes he does, He has Tony's phone number in his phone. He needs to stop F'n lying. He just told me a second ago that He'd give me the number.

NOTE: Lee had called Tony the night that Cindy picked Casey up from Tony's.
CMA: "line 9" I, (sighs), I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick now. And I want to actually try to close my eyes. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days.

NOTE: No mention of a mike in this call.

magic-cat
11-04-2008, 11:26 PM
"That I have no clue where my daughter is?" Casey Anthony said. "Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth."

Casey has said this and similar responses several times. I think she answered similarly when she was being questioned at Universal. I have always had this nagging feeling that she was telling the truth here. Almost like a child who technically answers the question truthfully but in reality is lying. They only answer the literal, specific question being asked of them.

And if that is true, that she doesn't know where Caylee is NOW, why doesn't she know? What are the options for that?

I suppose someone else could have moved her. "Disposed" of the body for Casey and Casey truly doesn't know where (plausible deniability and she might even pass a lie detector on that question).

And, another option is a possibility. I can barely bring myself to type these words, but one of my greatest fears is that she put Caylee in an alligator-infested area knowing that there would be nothing left for anyone to find. On one hand, that's a gamble...what if someone found the body before a gator did? On the other hand, it's almost a sure-fire way to dispose of a body. I have a similar fear about Trenton Duckett.

Any other ideas of why she wouldn't know where Caylee is right NOW? Aside from the ludicrous babysitter/kidnapping story, I mean.

Garbage dumpster. She would not know where that dumpster wound up being dumped and thereby would not know her daughter's EXACT location.:furious:

DotsEyes
11-04-2008, 11:58 PM
Garbage dumpster. She would not know where that dumpster wound up being dumped and thereby would not know her daughter's EXACT location.:furious:


Precisely. She doesn't know the exact location now, because the body was moved by someone/something other than her, like the garbage truck, a running stream of water, etc. She thinks she is so clever.

txsvicki
11-05-2008, 12:03 AM
If Casey doesn't believe in God or Heaven, then she could say that she doesn't know where Caylee is right now. I think she's just a liar though.

DollyPardonMe
11-05-2008, 12:07 AM
If Casey doesn't believe in God or Heaven, then she could say that she doesn't know where Caylee is right now. I think she's just a liar though.

Could someone like Casey, who lies so easily, and convincingly when needed, pass a lie detector test?

Annieanne
11-05-2008, 12:24 AM
I was just thinking. I dont blog much but that phone call was unknown to KC to be on Tape. Soooo this is what i get from it .. she is mad because everyone is thinking of Caylee which she is important but KC is in jail for something as she said she did not do and would not do.. so that is why everyone is making her out to be so bad. AND when she said that she was saying the whole truth it sounds to me that she was saying that was true but the other stuff was not because as we know it wasnt. The part when she said she did not know where her daughter was...why does everyone get so negative. Maybe someone did take the child and maybe someone else was killed and put in car. But we shall see hopefully from facts that come out. I hope this made sense. I do think a lot of people hate her because of her personality. It reminds me of high school gossip. Or any gossip. A rumor can grow so big and then it is entirely something else. Imagine what it would be like to be thrown in jail and you and people are all against you and you cant talk because of some reason we do not know. Plus how do you know what she believes no one does but God!

Pondering Mind
11-05-2008, 12:52 AM
I was just thinking. I dont blog much but that phone call was unknown to KC to be on Tape. Soooo this is what i get from it .. she is mad because everyone is thinking of Caylee which she is important but KC is in jail for something as she said she did not do and would not do.. so that is why everyone is making her out to be so bad. AND when she said that she was saying the whole truth it sounds to me that she was saying that was true but the other stuff was not because as we know it wasnt. The part when she said she did not know where her daughter was...why does everyone get so negative. Maybe someone did take the child and maybe someone else was killed and put in car. But we shall see hopefully from facts that come out. I hope this made sense. I do think a lot of people hate her because of her personality. It reminds me of high school gossip. Or any gossip. A rumor can grow so big and then it is entirely something else. Imagine what it would be like to be thrown in jail and you and people are all against you and you cant talk because of some reason we do not know. Plus how do you know what she believes no one does but God!
Are you serious? :rolleyes:

LeLe1953
11-05-2008, 01:24 AM
I was just thinking. I dont blog much but that phone call was unknown to KC to be on Tape. Soooo this is what i get from it .. she is mad because everyone is thinking of Caylee which she is important but KC is in jail for something as she said she did not do and would not do.. so that is why everyone is making her out to be so bad. AND when she said that she was saying the whole truth it sounds to me that she was saying that was true but the other stuff was not because as we know it wasnt. The part when she said she did not know where her daughter was...why does everyone get so negative. Maybe someone did take the child and maybe someone else was killed and put in car. But we shall see hopefully from facts that come out. I hope this made sense. I do think a lot of people hate her because of her personality. It reminds me of high school gossip. Or any gossip. A rumor can grow so big and then it is entirely something else. Imagine what it would be like to be thrown in jail and you and people are all against you and you cant talk because of some reason we do not know. Plus how do you know what she believes no one does but God!


If only it was just high school gossip about the cheerleader being pregnant by the captain of the football team. I have said I don't think much of KC as a mother or a person. If she has killed her child, she deserves to be where she is. It will be interesting to hear the compelling truth the defense has promised us.

If that little girl is alive or if someone else really did kill her, I think most of us would say we got it wrong. I, like others, are just looking at the facts as we know them for now. We don't know all of it, we won't be the one's in the jury box. Regardless of how anyone feels on any website, it is only the jury that will matter.

As sad as it is, I think Kc killed her little girl. That IS a HUGE waste to all involved. No one wins in this, least of all Caylee.

CaliKid
11-05-2008, 01:35 AM
Since KC lies through her teeth, I don't think you can take anything she says for real. Her main objective from the call was Tony's number, and all other info was a "waste, huge waste".

shoelace
11-05-2008, 01:46 AM
I was just thinking. I dont blog much but that phone call was unknown to KC to be on Tape. Soooo this is what i get from it .. she is mad because everyone is thinking of Caylee which she is important but KC is in jail for something as she said she did not do and would not do.. so that is why everyone is making her out to be so bad. AND when she said that she was saying the whole truth it sounds to me that she was saying that was true but the other stuff was not because as we know it wasnt. The part when she said she did not know where her daughter was...why does everyone get so negative. Maybe someone did take the child and maybe someone else was killed and put in car. But we shall see hopefully from facts that come out. I hope this made sense. I do think a lot of people hate her because of her personality. It reminds me of high school gossip. Or any gossip. A rumor can grow so big and then it is entirely something else. Imagine what it would be like to be thrown in jail and you and people are all against you and you cant talk because of some reason we do not know. Plus how do you know what she believes no one does but God!

gotta say, i commend you for saying how you feel. i'm afraid that some people are going to jump down your throat here, but good on you for being honest.

thing is, there's really no way that casey doesn't know what's going on. she has been incredibly and ridiculously deceptive from the get-go. say that someone really DID kidnap her daughter... umm... how could she possibly behave the way she did in the ensuing days? and "maybe someone else was killed and put in the trunk of her car..." think about that. is that really possible?

but again, i'm glad that someone here has a differing view. so far, none of us really know what happened. just a bunch of hunches.

ValleyGirl
11-05-2008, 01:57 AM
Annieanne,

If somebody took Caylee, and it was somebody else's body in the trunk, how did the forensic evidence of Caylee being dead, i.e., hair with death band, etc., get there? All this take place during the Hot Body contest???

Sadly, the one person who should have cared about this sweet litle angel was too busy slinging her stuff around a stripper pole to give a crap about where she was or what happened to her. JMO

God bless you, Caylee, may justice be seen for you.

weasel
11-05-2008, 11:42 AM
<<"That I have no clue where my daughter is?" Casey Anthony said. "Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth.">>

Liars will answer a question with a question as it gives them more time to formulate an answer.

JusticeorJustUs
11-05-2008, 11:52 AM
If Casey doesn't believe in God or Heaven, then she could say that she doesn't know where Caylee is right now. I think she's just a liar though.

She knows where the body is, though. Only the soul goes to Heaven. The body is still where she left it, I do believe.


Could someone like Casey, who lies so easily, and convincingly when needed, pass a lie detector test?

I believe she could. She believes the lies she tells. To her, they are the truth. She also appears to be incapable of true attachments and remorse. I don't believe she'd be capable of triggering an indication of deciet physically.

Very scary thought.

Lanie
11-05-2008, 12:01 PM
Actually, they do. The key word here is "friend." Friends know and ask such things. New folks ask such things to get a bead on a person. Who or what they are.

Also, just because they are Male, doesn't mean they don't care about kids or have an opinion about how kids should be raised. Some of t hem might have a kid in such a situation. Watching a single Mother, makes them think about their own, or a friends, or their brothers, etc.

Thank you very much for saying what I was going to. I have a lot of male friends who are very good with, and caring of, children. In fact, more of my male friends will ask after my children than my female friends do.
That said, I can also understand if a guy is looking at a girl as a booty call, he might not show much if any interest in her kid.
Lanie

JusticeorJustUs
11-05-2008, 12:14 PM
Actually, they do. The key word here is "friend." Friends know and ask such things. New folks ask such things to get a bead on a person. Who or what they are.

Also, just because they are Male, doesn't mean they don't care about kids or have an opinion about how kids should be raised. Some of t hem might have a kid in such a situation. Watching a single Mother, makes them think about their own, or a friends, or their brothers, etc.


Thank you very much for saying what I was going to. I have a lot of male friends who are very good with, and caring of, children. In fact, more of my male friends will ask after my children than my female friends do.
That said, I can also understand if a guy is looking at a girl as a booty call, he might not show much if any interest in her kid.
Lanie

I second that, Lanie. I have a 23 year old son who has been known to bring home an infant or toddler on ocassion because he's "babysitting" for such-and-such friend from high school that he remained in touch with or another one from college who's just back to studies after having a baby when her parents or CCP isn't available. Surprise Mom! :D

I'm blessed that he's so very good with children. He wasn't raised with little brothers and sisters.

I should add that these are a very close group of kids that care deeply for each other and don't look at each other as "booty calls", Thank God.

I just don't see that in what I've seen of KC and Company.

edited to add: Make no mistake about it. He and I both have all emergency contact information for parents, living grandparents (all are in this case), CCP's, Peditricians, and they have ours and have been to our home on numerous ocassions, whether to drop the babies off or pick them up. The one baby's grandfather (also retired LE) even wanted my son's driving record as he'd transported his granddaughter. To me, it's just not normal NOT to have this information.

LaLaw2000
11-05-2008, 12:26 PM
IMO, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth will never be known. We may get some answers but not all of them. The people who hold all of the answers - Casey, GA, CA, and Lee will never tell ALL they know.

I do believe there is enough evidence in this case that Casey will get LWOP, tho.

Recovering-Lurker
11-05-2008, 12:28 PM
IMO, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth will never be known. We may get some answers but not all of them. The people who hold all of the answers - Casey, GA, CA, and Lee will never tell ALL they know.

I do believe there is enough evidence in this case that Casey will get LWOP, tho.

Sadly, I completely agree.

CaliKid
11-05-2008, 12:44 PM
I think KC is a sociopath. That makes her nearly incapable of telling the truth about such a situation as Caylee's death. She could take a polygraph and probably pass it because she's such a depersonalized icecube and feels no guilt or shame.

kiki the parrot
11-05-2008, 12:44 PM
I was just thinking. I dont blog much but that phone call was unknown to KC to be on Tape. Soooo this is what i get from it .. she is mad because everyone is thinking of Caylee which she is important but KC is in jail for something as she said she did not do and would not do.. so that is why everyone is making her out to be so bad. AND when she said that she was saying the whole truth it sounds to me that she was saying that was true but the other stuff was not because as we know it wasnt. The part when she said she did not know where her daughter was...why does everyone get so negative. Maybe someone did take the child and maybe someone else was killed and put in car. But we shall see hopefully from facts that come out. I hope this made sense. I do think a lot of people hate her because of her personality. It reminds me of high school gossip. Or any gossip. A rumor can grow so big and then it is entirely something else. Imagine what it would be like to be thrown in jail and you and people are all against you and you cant talk because of some reason we do not know. Plus how do you know what she believes no one does but God!

Her two year-old daughter is MISSING, she can not tell LE one straight story to assist them in finding her--and she is thinking of herself?? So I guess someone abducted Caylee--and used KC's (CA's) car to do it? Imagine, poor KC, so misunderstood, sitting in jail--because her baby's DECOMP is in her trunk. And THAT is not a rumor or teenage gossip. It is the consensus of OCSO, FBI, and U of T Crime labs. We don't have to know what she believes to realize that she is not a silent martyr, or an innocent victim. And I don't hate her, I hate what she has done to deceive so many while trying to prevent Caylee from being found. GO TES JMO

magic-cat
11-05-2008, 12:57 PM
Casey the silent martyr-sitting alone in jail protecting ??? Where is Caylee? If she knows that someone else did something to Caylee then why is she silent? Why did she lie and mislead detectives and her parents and friends? Why did she party hardy the entire 31 days that her daughter was "missing"? Why was she in a video store HOURS after her daughter vanished off the face of the planet renting a movie about a BODY DECOMPOSING IN A TRUNK? and a child abandoned by its mother? If Casey is the "martyr" here, then why were her initial communications from jail so hateful and spiteful and NOT about Caylee? I could go on and on and on but the point is, Casey is no martyr, and she is not protecting anyone but Casey.

Lanie
11-05-2008, 01:27 PM
I was just thinking. I dont blog much but that phone call was unknown to KC to be on Tape. Soooo this is what i get from it .. she is mad because everyone is thinking of Caylee which she is important but KC is in jail for something as she said she did not do and would not do.. so that is why everyone is making her out to be so bad. AND when she said that she was saying the whole truth it sounds to me that she was saying that was true but the other stuff was not because as we know it wasnt. The part when she said she did not know where her daughter was...why does everyone get so negative. Maybe someone did take the child and maybe someone else was killed and put in car. But we shall see hopefully from facts that come out. I hope this made sense. I do think a lot of people hate her because of her personality. It reminds me of high school gossip. Or any gossip. A rumor can grow so big and then it is entirely something else. Imagine what it would be like to be thrown in jail and you and people are all against you and you cant talk because of some reason we do not know. Plus how do you know what she believes no one does but God!

This would be all well and good, had not the only hair found in the trunk with a death band matched Caylee's mDNA, and Caylee had not been missing already for a month unreported when the phone call was made.
Going by your theory, what you have is a woman whose daughter was kidnapped, and a dead body was placed in the trunk of her car. Would it not be common sense the two scenarios were related? Then how could a woman whose daughter was kidnapped by killers be so blase about it? But let's just take this a step further. Let's say we have two entirely unrelated incidents, the kidnappers have nothing to do with the killers. So what possible explanation can there be for Casey to not at the very least help the police find out whose dead body was in her trunk, since we are going to say it wasn't Caylee and has nothing to do with Caylee's abduction? Wouldn't she at least be willing to talk about that, seeing as it is her car, she was factually in possession of it during the time the dead body was in it, wouldn't she at least have a clue? Unless she had something to do with said dead body being in her car.
You may consider it high school gossip that people believe Casey killed her daugher and disposed of her body, but IMO, you are disregarding most of the established facts for your theory to even hold water.
Lanie

Indigo
11-05-2008, 01:28 PM
I was just thinking. I dont blog much but that phone call was unknown to KC to be on Tape. Soooo this is what i get from it .. she is mad because everyone is thinking of Caylee which she is important but KC is in jail for something as she said she did not do and would not do.. so that is why everyone is making her out to be so bad. AND when she said that she was saying the whole truth it sounds to me that she was saying that was true but the other stuff was not because as we know it wasnt. The part when she said she did not know where her daughter was...why does everyone get so negative. Maybe someone did take the child and maybe someone else was killed and put in car. But we shall see hopefully from facts that come out. I hope this made sense. I do think a lot of people hate her because of her personality. It reminds me of high school gossip. Or any gossip. A rumor can grow so big and then it is entirely something else. Imagine what it would be like to be thrown in jail and you and people are all against you and you cant talk because of some reason we do not know. Plus how do you know what she believes no one does but God!

Hi Annie,

Thanks for posting your thoughts here. I hope you're not offended, but I just listened to that call again recently and was actually shocked at how Casey was treating her friends and family. She spoke to three of them in a row who tried very hard to help in any way possible. They underscored over and over that they were supporting her and all they wanted to do was help her find Caylee. Finding Caylee would have been the answer to all of the problems Casey faced, would it not? (Not to mention that Caylee would finally be safe from harm)

At this point Casey ,sounding like a 30 second infomercial, tries to get through the kidnapper info as fast as she can to get to the real GOLD--Tony's number. Why does she want Tony's number so badly? Because according to Casey he's her "Boooooyyyyfriend." IMO,Casey comes off as extremely uncaring about Caylee in this conversation.

I understand your point about gossip, and in many cases like this gossip can have a life of its own. But there has been official evidence released in this case that can't be considered gossip. This evidence strongly points to the conclusion that Caylee is no longer living and that her body was at one point in the trunk of Casey's car.

This is JMO, of course. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong on this one.

CaliKid
11-05-2008, 01:32 PM
Hi Annie,

Thanks for posting your thoughts here. I hope you're not offended, but I just listened to that call again recently and was actually shocked at how Casey was treating her friends and family. She spoke to three of them in a row who tried very hard to help in any way possible. They underscored over and over that they were supporting her and all they wanted to do was help her find Caylee. Finding Caylee would have been the answer to all of the problems Casey faced, would it not? (Not to mention that Caylee would finally be safe from harm)

At this point Casey ,sounding like a 30 second infomercial, tries to get through the kidnapper info as fast as she can to get to the real GOLD--Tony's number. Why does she want Tony's number so badly? Because according to Casey he's her "Boooooyyyyfriend." IMO,Casey comes off as extremely uncaring about Caylee in this conversation.

I understand your point about gossip, and in many cases like this gossip can have a life of its own. But there has been official evidence released in this case that can't be considered gossip. This evidence strongly points to the conclusion that Caylee is no longer living and that her body was at one point in the trunk of Casey's car.

This is JMO, of course. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong on this one.

Exactly. And talking about anything else was, to KC, "a waste, huge waste".

Spangle
11-05-2008, 01:37 PM
If Casey doesn't believe in God or Heaven, then she could say that she doesn't know where Caylee is right now. I think she's just a liar though.

Still would not matter. There are many who believe in the Christian God, whom differ on exactly what happens after death.

But you do point to something not addressed. She might not be talking about the body any more. She might consider "Caylee" separate from the body. And the body just a shell that Caylee no longer needs.

If she considers her an Angel, then she would not know where Angels are. If she considers her with God, she wouldn't know where God really is. Etc, Etc,.

IT's kinda like "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. LOL! Most thought it was funny when said, but it's very factual statement. And it's imporant in the court of law.

Also, if she truelly means it , then she could pass a lie dector test on the question.

IT's why questions are asked in certain ways, etc. Even asking about the body at this point could be answered that way. If one assumes it was later eatten by something, etc.. She wouldn't know where the body is. and would be answering honestly in her mind. She would have to be asked, where was it you last seen the BODY of Caylee.

chris1990
11-05-2008, 01:40 PM
did they give her ALs phone #? did she call him? has that call been released?

CaliKid
11-05-2008, 01:45 PM
did they give her ALs phone #? did she call him? has that call been released?

IIRC, they didn't have it to give to her.

Marina2
11-05-2008, 01:48 PM
Well, I was going to reply to Annie but I can see that it would be overkill. You guys have covered all my thoughts on her post. I will say though, if my daughter were missing or kidnapped I wouldn't give a rats a$$ if I was in jail except to the extent that I could not be out pounding the pavement looking for her. I would at least be helping in every way to find her. The subject of my phone conversations would not be my boyfriend.

Spangle
11-05-2008, 01:53 PM
Thank you very much for saying what I was going to. I have a lot of male friends who are very good with, and caring of, children. In fact, more of my male friends will ask after my children than my female friends do.
That said, I can also understand if a guy is looking at a girl as a booty call, he might not show much if any interest in her kid.
Lanie

Bingo! I 100% agree. It's showing up over and over again and some are saying that it might be the reasons something happened to Caylee.

It doesn't sound like Tony was interested in KC's kid. Not that he is BAD because of it. He might not seen it as a serious relationship. I've seen such relationships that later turned out to be something deeper. But it seems like Tony tried to point this out to her during their time together.

KC might have taken it that Caylee was the reason. It would have nothing to do with Caylee or KC. It would just mean that he wasn't looking for anything long term. Wanted something fancy free. (relationship) Where they got together for fun. Which would mean, when she had someone watching her kid, and dont' invite him for family fun time. Period.

If that is the case.. this poor guy might end up feeling he caused KC to do this. And it wouldn't be his fault.

She was a booty call. A fun time. Nothing would have changed that except time.

MiraclesHappen
11-05-2008, 02:17 PM
IIRC, they didn't have it to give to her.

Yes but some of the enabling and codependent behavior we have witnessed would allow for one of them to physically go to TL to get the number for her.:)

Those closest to a pathological type such as she is, (no matter what the family issues) often end up running around in circles and appearing as lunatics while the pathological crime committing individual at the core of it appears to outsider eyes as the calm collected one. It's fairly common I believe.

jmho:)

CaliKid
11-05-2008, 02:27 PM
Having a bipolar daughter, I know exactly what you mean.

Sundance
11-05-2008, 03:05 PM
IIRC, they didn't have it to give to her.

Kristina gave it to her. Casey had to memorize it because she had nothing to write it down/with.

No phone call with Tony from jail has been released. Although the phone logs show that she talked to him about 2 hours on the 7/16 before she was arrested.

No phone records from Tony have been released - something going on there, since the detective told him he 'had been burning up your phone for me' and that is was 'a long distance number', and was going to pay Tony's phone bill.

This is all in Tony's second police interview July 22 pg 1023-1024. Page 1023 Line 8 has some especially interesting little tidbits.

So, who was Tony calling for LE?

Annieanne
11-05-2008, 05:11 PM
I hope you're not offended, but I just listened to that call again recently and was actually shocked at how Casey was treating her friends and family.
Im not offended Indigo, I do not agree how she talked to her friends either. I do not understand why people even have to swear. I was just saying what i got from this...she wanted to talk to her boyfriend for a reason and did not have much time to do it. She sounded frantic. I did not read all the replies I dont have time right now. But i am not offended. It is just what i hear in her voice.. Caylee is important to me too! But I dont know from the facts if this is all concrete since i dont have all the time to check out everything. Everyone wants everything at once and sometimes we have to just wait. Oh yea i was just thinking the huge waste comment. She had only so much time and did not have time to explain everything to them. She wanted to talk to this guy. I am just putting in something what i see and hear. She sounds like a fustrated person.

Chilly Willy
11-05-2008, 05:28 PM
Kristina gave it to her. Casey had to memorize it because she had nothing to write it down/with.

No phone call with Tony from jail has been released. Although the phone logs show that she talked to him about 2 hours on the 7/16 before she was arrested.

No phone records from Tony have been released - something going on there, since the detective told him he 'had been burning up your phone for me' and that is was 'a long distance number', and was going to pay Tony's phone bill.

This is all in Tony's second police interview July 22 pg 1023-1024. Page 1023 Line 8 has some especially interesting little tidbits.

So, who was Tony calling for LE?

That's interesting. Tony said on Scared Monkeys that he hasn't talked to Casey since before she was arrested the first time. I wonder if he's actually doing undercover work for LE, accepting her calls - which would come collect - and recording them.

According to the media, Casey has made no calls from jail this go round.

Pondering Mind
11-05-2008, 06:01 PM
Kristina gave it to her. Casey had to memorize it because she had nothing to write it down/with.

No phone call with Tony from jail has been released. Although the phone logs show that she talked to him about 2 hours on the 7/16 before she was arrested.

No phone records from Tony have been released - something going on there, since the detective told him he 'had been burning up your phone for me' and that is was 'a long distance number', and was going to pay Tony's phone bill.

This is all in Tony's second police interview July 22 pg 1023-1024. Page 1023 Line 8 has some especially interesting little tidbits.

So, who was Tony calling for LE?

I would love to know that myself! I do think that he was helping LE and while I don't believe that Casey would tell him the truth, I wonder what story she did spin for him. I'd bet that there is more interviews with him. Isn't it interesting that apparently JB did not dipose him for very long? You would think that he would have been grilled extensively by the defense.

Chezhire
11-05-2008, 06:11 PM
The question of the last time Tony saw Caylee is bothersome to me. In his police interview he stated that he had not seen Caylee since early June, but his roommates said they saw Caylee on June 13. I would love to ask the roommates exactly where they saw her and if Tony was there or not. I'm not implying any wrongdoing on anyone's part, I just would like this discrepancy cleared up.

let us not forget that Anthony/TonE L agreed during his interview to provide LE with other info that wasn't discussed in the taped portion... Just a sayin... ;)

Chilly Willy
11-05-2008, 06:20 PM
I would love to know that myself! I do think that he was helping LE and while I don't believe that Casey would tell him the truth, I wonder what story she did spin for him. I'd bet that there is more interviews with him. Isn't it interesting that apparently JB did not dipose him for very long? You would think that he would have been grilled extensively by the defense.
There are definitely more interviews with Tony. In the interview that's been released, he's never asked about what happened on June 16th. No way would LE not question him about that.

The FBI also has interviews that we probably will never get to see. George and Cindy both referred to information they'd given to the FBI in their LE interviews.

Zoe Bogart
11-06-2008, 08:47 AM
Obviously LE must be withholding some information from the public. There are lots of "gaps" which haven't been released. It must be key information they are protecting from the public so when they go to trial, and the jury finally hears it, the defense won't be able to claim it was tainted by gossip and the jury had already heard it from the media, the internet, friendly chatter.........I'm not sure exactly how much information is supposed to be made public according to Florida's laws, but I can see how LE and the prosecution would want to sit on some key elements until the trial. Disclosing it to the defense "shouldn't" leak it to the public.:rolleyes:

joyceandjay
11-06-2008, 09:39 AM
I too for about 3 months have wondered the same thing... "Did she ever call Tony?" And where is that taped convo??? I strongly believe LE has kept it secret as I am sure it strong evidence for the prosecution. Remember she did not know at the time that the calls were being recorded!! So again, I would love to hear what was said! Maybe something along the lines of " Tony don't say anything about anything I'm in jail"!