What Were/Are Casey's Plans [Archive] - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Vegas Bride

08-12-2008, 01:45 AM

Ok, we have a mother who's 2 year old daughter is missing. We have seen photo's taken of her out in the clubs after Caylee supposedly was kidnapped by the nanny. Cindy finally got ahold of Casey after a month, if Cindy had not found her, then what was Casey planning on doing? Did she think she was going to keep living in the Orlando area, avoiding her family and always having a reason why they couldn't talk to Caylee on the phone? What was this girl planning on doing? What about the money she stole from her friend? Did she have any fear about her hunting her down to get her money back?
If she somehow manages to get out of jail, what could she be planning to do? Somehow I don't think Tony is going to be waiting for her with open arms!

I'm just trying to get into this girls mindset to get any kind of clue.
I hope all her friends are singing like canaries and leaving nothing out, the smallest detail could be the thing to crack this wide open.

VB

MistyM

08-12-2008, 01:52 AM

probably thought people would just think her kid was abducted and she would get some serious attention and everyone would feel sorry for her and not ask any questions.

and life would go on, what a brave woman she was to be able to carry one with her life like that.

as she continued to get drunk and lucky with several men.

cheko1

08-12-2008, 02:02 AM

This is a woman without any kind of a plan. Anyone in there right mind would know you can't fake a kidnapping. She had to of known her family would flip out....anyones would of. I wonder if she honestly thought her family was so dumb she'd get away with it?

She proabably had plans to go to another area in Fl. I'm surprised she never had pulled it off before her Mom started questioning her. Could she of given up her friends & I doubt she had many.

txsvicki

08-12-2008, 02:17 AM

Maybe Casey's interest in Tony had something to do with it all. Could Tony have been planning to transfer his work to New York or another state, and Casey planned to be a perpetual victim and go with him.

my2cents

08-12-2008, 02:30 AM

Thanks for this thread. I am curious to hear everyones responses.

I believe this was premeditated--to what extent, I don't know. She may have seen Caylee in the pool drowning and thought "this is my way out of being a mom". She took the body out of the pool (that's one of the places the dogs hit) and started calling GP's. Then she changed her mind and figured GP's would go crazy that she didn't call the ambulance.

This could have been when the kidnapping plan began. She figured that people would feel bad for her and her involvement wouldn't be questioned. She doesn't strike me as too intelligent. If she was intelligent, she would have acted like she was upset. The whole plan just reeks of below average intelligence and a lot of arrogance...mix in a bunch of lies and a family that has never questioned her and she thought she could work that same bunch of lies on LE and get away with it.

I believe that she was going to avoid the GP's as long as she could. When she was found, she would lie, ask for one more day, then run off and try to hide. I think she was planning on leaving before she was caught but the car smelled to high Heaven and she knew she couldn't drive it and risk getting pulled over in it. I bet she would have stolen Tony's car or a friends car if she hadn't gotten stuck talking to LE that night. JMO.

Fandy

08-12-2008, 07:23 AM

Casey has some similarities to my daughter (except my kid has no kids & i'd like to believe she is not capable of murder).

I think she operates in a constant crisis mode to get attention, along with being a great liar and manipulator. She has no long term plan or goal, she's constantly trying to cover her tracks. She is completely self-centered, self absorbed, but she believes her own stories.

Casey won't face the facts which is why she refuses family visits, if she doesn't see them she doesn't have to discuss it, the above poster is right, she is avoiding the issue (which is her daughter) as long as she can. ...stringing everyone along.

french75

08-12-2008, 09:15 AM

Over the weekend, this very question started nagging at me. For all the lies she told, I can't figure out how she thought she was going to pull this one off. Even with all the arrogance in the world, I have to think that she had to have known that she wasn't going to be able to hide this forever. A lot of people have brought up similarities to Mark Hacking, but this is different because he would have continued pretending going to medical school and probably would have even attempted to practice medicine. But it seems like Casey made no serious attempt to hide this situation. I can't imagine what she thought was going to happen.

She could have ditched the car and ran off and started a new life. She's obviously outgoing, social, and manipulative, so she probably would have been able to make new friends to help her out pretty quickly.

SusieClue

08-12-2008, 09:40 AM

I think she was just buying time and more time to make sure the body would be gone for good (decomp, gators, whatever.)

I think she was flying by the seat of her tight little pants.

Fandy

08-12-2008, 09:43 AM

I remember Bobby Cutts...who killed his pregnant GF in front of his son and caved in with his*guilt* after 9 days...They never could determine Jesse's? & baby's cause of death exactly, her body was too decomposed.

I think he waited long enough purposely also.

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 09:52 AM

Thanks for this thread. I am curious to hear everyones responses.

I believe this was premeditated--to what extent, I don't know. She may have seen Caylee in the pool drowning and thought "this is my way out of being a mom". She took the body out of the pool (that's one of the places the dogs hit) and started calling GP's. Then she changed her mind and figured GP's would go crazy that she didn't call the ambulance.

This could have been when the kidnapping plan began. She figured that people would feel bad for her and her involvement wouldn't be questioned. She doesn't strike me as too intelligent. If she was intelligent, she would have acted like she was upset. The whole plan just reeks of below average intelligence and a lot of arrogance...mix in a bunch of lies and a family that has never questioned her and she thought she could work that same bunch of lies on LE and get away with it.

I believe that she was going to avoid the GP's as long as she could. When she was found, she would lie, ask for one more day, then run off and try to hide. I think she was planning on leaving before she was caught but the car smelled to high Heaven and she knew she couldn't drive it and risk getting pulled over in it. I bet she would have stolen Tony's car or a friends car if she hadn't gotten stuck talking to LE that night. JMO.

I'll see your 2 cents and raise ya a dollar. Your theory certainly makes sense to me. It especially makes sense because it's obvious that Casey's parents never called her out on lies in the past, or if they did -- there were no consequences. And that IS why she grew up to be a habitual liar. She's in jail astounded that everyone else isn't pretending she's not a liar.

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

I think she had no plan at all. Everything was on the fly, making up the script as it unfolded. And now she won't talk to investigators because she can't b.s. them the same as everyone else. Her main complaint about them, if you notice: "They haven't listened to a thing I've said!" And she's really shocked about that, too. ha!

Vegas Bride

08-12-2008, 10:02 AM

Casey has some similarities to my daughter (except my kid has no kids & i'd like to believe she is not capable of murder).

I think she operates in a constant crisis mode to get attention, along with being a great liar and manipulator. She has no long term plan or goal, she's constantly trying to cover her tracks. She is completely self-centered, self absorbed, but she believes her own stories.

Casey won't face the facts which is why she refuses family visits, if she doesn't see them she doesn't have to discuss it, the above poster is right, she is avoiding the issue (which is her daughter) as long as she can. ...stringing everyone along.

ITA with you here, which is why I wish somehow she was forced to face what she's done. I wish she had to look at pictures of Caylee every waking moment, and when she slept had to dream about her. Maybe then she'd get an inkling about what she's done.

VB

DeltaDawn

08-12-2008, 10:10 AM

We know that Casey had a passport. At the bond hearing they ask George if Casey had a passport and he said "No" Then the prosecuter said she does have a passport..which is one of the big reasons they do not want to let her out of jail.

So she must have fairly recently gotten a passport and she was probably getting ready to leave the country and start a new life somewhere..she just got sidetracked. With Tony and the partying. But I think she was ready to leave the country on her own and never look back..then it would appear with the car gone..she probably checked back at the parking lot and thought it was stolen..then she and the baby gone..people would think they were carjacked or worse..she would be a free agent. She has no concern for anyone but herself and would be very capable of leaving everyone and everything behind in a NY minute.

Vegas Bride

08-12-2008, 10:14 AM

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

Listening to that conversation was an eye opener for me. Just the arrogant tone of her voice spoke volumes. It's like she was so annoyed that anyone would even think to ask questions.
I believe in her mind, she was so ready to go on to the next chapter of her life, a victim of having her baby stolen from her. She'd get lot's of love and attention from people who'd feel sorry for her. It has to be a total shock to her now that's she's sitting in jail and people still want answers about where is Caylee?
I don't hold out hope that she'll ever tell the truth, she'll continue to weave her web of lies to suit what she wants at the moment and be annoyed that Caylee continues to get attention when it should all be about her.

VB

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 10:16 AM

You can't really leave the country with your own passport without your destination being traced, though. You'd need a bogus passport.

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 10:19 AM

It has to be a total shock to her now that's she's sitting in jail and people still want answers about where is Caylee?

Exactly! ITA. This mindset would also explain why she was "laughing at times" when she was arrested. She was utterly shocked that she's not quite the excellent b.s.'er she always knew she was.
:bang:

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 10:21 AM

The ploy of the manipulating liar is to goad the listener; laugh at them, roll their eyes, make the listener feel 'stupid' or shamed for not believing the lie.

Amberjack

08-12-2008, 10:23 AM

I think Casey thought that it would all just go away.
The blame wuld be put on ZG and everyone would be so happy that Casey was alive and well and shower HER with attention.

Fandy

08-12-2008, 10:32 AM

The ploy of the manipulating liar is to goad the listener; laugh at them, roll their eyes, make the listener feel 'stupid' or shamed for not believing the lie.

100% correct...i've often come away from conversations with my daughter feeling doubtful.

Casey is trying to control and manipulate the conversation.

That's what I read into the phonecall that was played for the public. Cindy knows the song& dance Casey is playing, she's heard it before. I'm sure the 2 of them have gone many rounds.

Atomic

08-12-2008, 10:49 AM

She took the body out of the pool (that's one of the places the dogs hit) and started calling GP's. Then she changed her mind and figured GP's would go crazy that she didn't call the ambulance.

what?! I had not heard the dogs hit on the pool! Do you have a link? Is this new info? TIA!

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 10:50 AM

100% correct...i've often come away from conversations with my daughter feeling doubtful.

Casey is trying to control and manipulate the conversation.

That's what I read into the phonecall that was played for the public. Cindy knows the song& dance Casey is playing, she's heard it before. I'm sure the 2 of them have gone many rounds.

I think you can only learn how a manipulating liar operates from dealing with one, which is why we know!

:crazy:

Your situation with your daughter is probably very similar to the way Cindy feels. Because you're the mom, you want to believe -- which is the only reason you even listen. But, you know the truth in your gut. Yes?

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 10:51 AM

what?! I had not heard the dogs hit on the pool! Do you have a link? Is this new info? TIA!

It's not really new info. The dog hit on an area near the pool. Same info, stated a bit differently.
:crazy:

sabego

08-12-2008, 10:51 AM

The problem I am having with it being an "accident", I would hope in that instant you would immediately call for help. If it was something you caused, then a person like Casey would have to cover it up. On the 16th she did try and get hold of her parents in rapid phone calls which were not answered. Then she had to do something else. Do we know if she called anyone else?

manatee

08-12-2008, 11:06 AM

I think many of you are right about Casey. I believe she tried to hide the fact that Caylee died accidentally because Casey is used to covering up her mistakes to her parents in order to not be reprimanded. Her behavior is very childish but it makes sense.
If you view Casey as a kid trying to cover up mistakes to avoid punishment everything makes sense. So she accidentally killed Casey. Became afraid of her parents rath, started to put off telling them. time kept going by and she was the right time to tell them never came up until it was too late and she could not confess what really happened. She just refuses to take the blame for anything to avoid lectures and punishment. Just like a very spoiled child which I'm sure she has been.
J:mad:

manatee

08-12-2008, 11:08 AM

Thanks for this thread. I am curious to hear everyones responses.

I believe this was premeditated--to what extent, I don't know. She may have seen Caylee in the pool drowning and thought "this is my way out of being a mom". She took the body out of the pool (that's one of the places the dogs hit) and started calling GP's. Then she changed her mind and figured GP's would go crazy that she didn't call the ambulance.

This could have been when the kidnapping plan began. She figured that people would feel bad for her and her involvement wouldn't be questioned. She doesn't strike me as too intelligent. If she was intelligent, she would have acted like she was upset. The whole plan just reeks of below average intelligence and a lot of arrogance...mix in a bunch of lies and a family that has never questioned her and she thought she could work that same bunch of lies on LE and get away with it.

I believe that she was going to avoid the GP's as long as she could. When she was found, she would lie, ask for one more day, then run off and try to hide. I think she was planning on leaving before she was caught but the car smelled to high Heaven and she knew she couldn't drive it and risk getting pulled over in it. I bet she would have stolen Tony's car or a friends car if she hadn't gotten stuck talking to LE that night. JMO.

i think it was negligence that she did not want to get caught for and wanted to blame somebody else. one thing led to another and she was caught up in a huge lie after awhile.

songline

08-12-2008, 12:29 PM

probably thought people would just think her kid was abducted and she would get some serious attention and everyone would feel sorry for her and not ask any questions.

and life would go on, what a brave woman she was to be able to carry one with her life like that.

as she continued to get drunk and lucky with several men.

BRAVE WOMAN ?????????????????

I think she is a troubled person; mentally unbalanced with a dysfunctional family including her LE father.

Fandy

08-12-2008, 12:34 PM

BRAVE WOMAN ?????????????????

I think she is a troubled person; mentally unbalanced with a dysfunctional family including her LE father.

Really, good parents can have bad kids....

diablo

08-12-2008, 12:37 PM

I think her plan is simple, and what most people believe.

You can't / won't get convicted without a body.
And even if you are found guilty of a charge, without a clear cause of death you will not get the max sentence.

Even now, I feel she will do very little jail time, if any.
In fact, she may spend more time in jail now while waiting for trial, then she will after the actual trial.

Like Cindy said at the bond hearing " There is no evidence that Casey did anything wrong."

Sad but true.

songline

08-12-2008, 12:37 PM

I think you can only learn how a manipulating liar operates from dealing with one, which is why we know!

:crazy:

Your situation with your daughter is probably very similar to the way Cindy feels. Because you're the mom, you want to believe -- which is the only reason you even listen. But, you know the truth in your gut. Yes?

You are right on the mark my friend I am the Mom of a Bipolar daughter. They need to be handled gently, but they do lie, lie,lie, AND I alway know in my GUT when to back up, and when not to....I too want to believe but I never will do so without paying attention to the moment and what is real.

Her mom wants to believe but she too seems dysfunctional and an enabler.

songline

08-12-2008, 12:39 PM

Really, good parents can have bad kids....
I do agree with you on that, many parents can have a hardship with their kids: This mom had an adorable child,
I would not call her BRAVE? Out of balance is more like it....
This Mom seems bipolar to me. How can she sit in a jail cell and not try to help find her child.
Not talking? is brave?

Fandy

08-12-2008, 12:40 PM

I think you can only learn how a manipulating liar operates from dealing with one, which is why we know!

:crazy:

Your situation with your daughter is probably very similar to the way Cindy feels. Because you're the mom, you want to believe -- which is the only reason you even listen. But, you know the truth in your gut. Yes?

It took 3 years of psycho.-wisdom to get it through my head that I cannot change her behavior until SHE wants to change it. I can only set boundries if I don't want to be victim to her rage and control. my daughter has an outrageous temper, no respect or civility towards me, she'll cut off her nose to spite her face just to prove her *point* (whatever that is).

I reached my saturation point with her behavior and adopted the tougher stance. it's improved my mental health greatly. BTW, my daughter is 27 yo

SailorMoon

08-12-2008, 12:40 PM

Kinda reminds me of Melinda Duckett in a way. My daughters been kidnapped. Don't ask me anything else...search for her and leave me alone. And she probabaly expected them to do exactly that!!

probably thought people would just think her kid was abducted and she would get some serious attention and everyone would feel sorry for her and not ask any questions.

and life would go on, what a brave woman she was to be able to carry one with her life like that.

as she continued to get drunk and lucky with several men.

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 01:06 PM

BRAVE WOMAN ?????????????????

I think she is a troubled person; mentally unbalanced with a dysfunctional family including her LE father.

The way I read the post is that she was saying this is how Casey imagines herself to be (brave.)

Love_Mama

08-12-2008, 01:16 PM

You are right on the mark my friend I am the Mom of a Bipolar daughter. They need to be handled gently, but they do lie, lie,lie, AND I alway know in my GUT when to back up, and when not to....I too want to believe but I never will do so without paying attention to the moment and what is real.

Her mom wants to believe but she too seems dysfunctional and an enabler.

songline, do you think that Casey is bi-polar? I too HAD a bi-polar daughter but is now deseased but honestly she never lied, so I'm curious about this.

I personally don't think that Casey is Bi-Polar, I think she's definitely a recreational drug user and also thinks of herself as a princess! However, there is a definite possibility that she has a clinical 'personality disorder' which am not so familar with so can't comment

xxxxxxooooooooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

my2cents

08-12-2008, 03:25 PM

what?! I had not heard the dogs hit on the pool! Do you have a link? Is this new info? TIA!

I said that she took the body out of the pool. Maybe I should have specified that it seems she laid it next to the pool because the dogs hit right near the pool. Sorry if that wasn't clear :)

QuickAttack

08-12-2008, 03:37 PM

Ok, we have a mother who's 2 year old daughter is missing. We have seen photo's taken of her out in the clubs after Caylee supposedly was kidnapped by the nanny. Cindy finally got ahold of Casey after a month, if Cindy had not found her, then what was Casey planning on doing? Did she think she was going to keep living in the Orlando area, avoiding her family and always having a reason why they couldn't talk to Caylee on the phone? What was this girl planning on doing? What about the money she stole from her friend? Did she have any fear about her hunting her down to get her money back?
If she somehow manages to get out of jail, what could she be planning to do? Somehow I don't think Tony is going to be waiting for her with open arms!

I'm just trying to get into this girls mindset to get any kind of clue.
I hope all her friends are singing like canaries and leaving nothing out, the smallest detail could be the thing to crack this wide open.

VB

I think that she knew she'd have a day of reckoning, but she didn't care.

She stole money, credit cards, and checks from friends and family.

She "misplaced" her daughter.

Her lies were easy to prove untrue.

I think from June 16 forward, she knew she'd have to face up to what she'd done, but she delayed the inevitable, and decided to party her hiney off until she'd finally be caught.

"It's better to burn out than to fade away."

JBean

08-12-2008, 03:47 PM

I think that she knew she'd have a day of reckoning, but she didn't care.

She stole money, credit cards, and checks from friends and family.

She "misplaced" her daughter.

Her lies were easy to prove untrue.

I think from June 16 forward, she knew she'd have to face up to what she'd done, but she delayed the inevitable, and decided to party her hiney off until she'd finally be caught.

"It's better to burn out than to fade away."
You've reminded me of a conversation I had once. I was talking to someone I know that was involved in one of those high speed police pursuits.By involved I mean he was being pursued by the cops and he wasn't stopping!

I asked him, why would you bother to run when you knew it was inevitable that you would be caught? Why make it even worse on yourself by running and pizzing everyone off with this pursuit? NO one ever gets away in those pursuits.
He said, I just wanted to stay out of jail for as long as possible. I was able to talk to my girlfriend for a long time and straighten some things out. I wanted to delay the inevitable for however long that would be.
IOW those moments of freedom were worth it to him at the time because he knew he was not going to get away with anything and would ultimately land in jail.

QuickAttack

08-12-2008, 03:54 PM

IOW those moments of freedom were worth it to him at the time because he knew he was not going to get away with anything and would ultimately land in jail.

Exactly what I think about Casey. Party like it's 1999. Because tomorrow you may die...or end up in jail.

:dance:

SelmaClue

08-12-2008, 04:07 PM

I think she's definitely a recreational drug user and also thinks of herself as a princess!

I don't think she's a drug user at all. Princess? She wishes. She's just a spoiled brat who found herself to be an adult without a means to support herself. She thinks the real world is going to treat her the same as mommy and daddy who have spoiled her and bought all her lies during her formative years. She's shocked. She can't believe she has to be .............. real. As the judge said, "the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers." Likewise for reality, imo.

Vegas Bride

08-12-2008, 04:09 PM

As the judge said, "the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers." Likewise for reality, imo.
snip

I really like that judge!

VB

krimekat

08-12-2008, 04:14 PM

I do think she's a drug user, imo. So many in this age group are using club drugs :confused:

MistyM

08-12-2008, 04:17 PM

The way I read the post is that she was saying this is how Casey imagines herself to be (brave.)

you are right. i meant she would think that. personally i think she's one evil woman.

Bobby62

08-12-2008, 04:56 PM

I do think she's a drug user, imo. So many in this age group are using club drugs :confused:

I am undecided on the drug use. On the one hand, most kids like her that are party girls are experimenting with ecstasy at these clubs. Marijuana is prevalent also. On the other hand, I think that Tony would not allow her to be incoherant in these clubs because it was his workplace. He was running a buisiness and would need his GF and associates to have a top shelf public image. He seems to be a fairly motivated kid with some ambition. I do not have tons of info on him though.

He had only been with her for two months. I am betting that they would not have made three unless she was good for his buisiness.

MOO

LinasK

08-12-2008, 05:14 PM

I think her plan is simple, and what most people believe.

You can't / won't get convicted without a body.
And even if you are found guilty of a charge, without a clear cause of death you will not get the max sentence.

So NOT true! See the thread on convictions without a body, it happens far more often than you'd think. Also, in Laci Peterson's case, there was no "clear" cause of death as to how he murdered her, yet Scott Peterson sits on Death Row, that is the max sentence you can get!

Vegas Bride

08-12-2008, 05:59 PM

I am undecided on the drug use. On the one hand, most kids like her that are party girls are experimenting with ecstasy at these clubs. Marijuana is prevalent also. On the other hand, I think that Tony would not allow her to be incoherant in these clubs because it was his workplace. He was running a buisiness and would need his GF and associates to have a top shelf public image. He seems to be a fairly motivated kid with some ambition. I do not have tons of info on him though.

He had only been with her for two months. I am betting that they would not have made three unless she was good for his buisiness.

MOO

I spent way to much time in clubs years ago because my ex was a performer, it's been my experience that anybody involved with them has some type of drug activity going on, it's a rare person who isn't using something. Some people, depending on what they were using, would be more pulled together and "on" and much better at getting through the late nights with what they were taking.

VB

VB

icherish

08-12-2008, 07:55 PM

I'm just trying to get into this girls mindset to get any kind of clue.
I hope all her friends are singing like canaries and leaving nothing out, the smallest detail could be the thing to crack this wide open.

VB

My opinion is Casey planned nothing. Crazy as it seems, I believe she's been flying by the seat of her pants during this whole thing.

I would say Casey has little concept of direction or following a plan at all. I mean, look at her life in general....she wasn't working toward any of the goals that young people set for themselves to become independent...working, saving money, finishing school, etc. It seems she had no real game plan other than what was going on at the moment. For all intents and purposes, her mom was taking care of the kid and she was a carefree party girl.

Casey's lack of skills in that area is one reason why I believe Caylee's demise was unintentional... the result of Casey's negligence, as opposed to something premeditated. Think about it...how could or why would anyone actually plan this convoluted mess? I think something sudden and tragic happened and like anything else that comes up or goes down in Casey's world, Casey winged it... lies and all. In her mind, whatever worked to cover it up and whatever takes the heat off her for the moment. She lives in the moment. To average well-adjusted people, it makes no sense, no rhyme or reason... but to someone like Casey, she's gotta do what she's gotta do.

NighTillDawn

08-12-2008, 08:12 PM

SelmaClue

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

The one phone call that haunts me is Casey saying " All they care about is Caylee ". If she was so concerned about her daughter being kidnapped, why say them words? She expected all the attention to be on her, not Caylee.

Cubby

08-12-2008, 10:06 PM

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

This haunted me too, especially since those words were Casey's immediate reaction to her friends TEARS and concern over her daughter. Honestly, if your child was missing( or very ill etc.) and a parent were on the phone with a close friend, what parent wouldn't too start crying or at least be choked up fighting back from starting to fully cry? Then how Casey, caught herself in that reaction and like a 180 her demeanor switched immediately to rectify her error in communicating with her friend by trying to be sypmathetic and reasurring her friend. That 180 haunts me as well.

The only time I have heard a bit of fear- slight trembling in voice- in Casey was when Lee was asking her tough questions about the cell phone situation, the possible calls from the nanny etc. I'm not sure if anyone else picked up the trembling in her voice as I haven't read all the threads, but that struck me too and how she immediately tried to change the subject or distract him by being overly descriptive on something not particularly relevent to finding Caylee.

I don't think Casey has the composure to continue her bs with a straight tone which is why she is avoiding her family and friends. I think she is burying herself in the law books with the hopes of coming up with a story that might fly-- seeking mistakes with other cases etc. etc. Especially since it is probably sinking in right about now just how deeply she has dug herself into this with really no way out besides being honest and facing life at min.

ETA; I find the law books, interesting..... it also demonstrates, imo, she has little or no faith in her attorney. Casey seems to think she is the "Master" on all issues..... you know the type, will debate a brain surgeon when they have no medical knowledge. Delving into law books instead of seeking her daughters safe return also speaks volumes....

icherish

08-13-2008, 07:42 AM

SelmaClue

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

The one phone call that haunts me is Casey saying " All they care about is Caylee ". If she was so concerned about her daughter being kidnapped, why say them words? She expected all the attention to be on her, not Caylee.

Those comments haunt me, also. She is so cold and unconcerned for Caylee and the grief of her friends and family. It is just chilling to listen to.

I hope those words come back to haunt her in court.

diablo

08-13-2008, 09:20 AM

So NOT true! See the thread on convictions without a body, it happens far more often than you'd think. Also, in Laci Peterson's case, there was no "clear" cause of death as to how he murdered her, yet Scott Peterson sits on Death Row, that is the max sentence you can get!

I know it is not true, but many ppl may not, especially a 22-yo princess.

Peterson got the max because Laci was an adult and young healthy adults dont typically just die. But with kids accidents are more common, and like my neighbor who lost their child to SIDS, kids sometimes die without a clear cause of death.

LinasK

08-13-2008, 03:23 PM

I know it is not true, but many ppl may not, especially a 22-yo princess.

Peterson got the max because Laci was an adult and young healthy adults dont typically just die. But with kids accidents are more common, and like my neighbor who lost their child to SIDS, kids sometimes die without a clear cause of death.

Babies die of SIDS, from not being able to turn over, not 2-year-olds. I don't think a SIDS defense is going to get Casey off.

Vegas Bride

08-13-2008, 03:38 PM

After watching both George and Cindy these last few days, I'm thinking that if Cindy had not called in to report the kidnapping as fast as she did, Casey actually would have gotten away with this. If George had been there also and Casey had a little more time to drill it into their heads that Caylee would be in more danger if it was reported then Casey would have just been able to keep stringing them along.

VB

Fandy

08-13-2008, 04:13 PM

I don't think she's a drug user at all. Princess? She wishes. She's just a spoiled brat who found herself to be an adult without a means to support herself. She thinks the real world is going to treat her the same as mommy and daddy who have spoiled her and bought all her lies during her formative years. She's shocked. She can't believe she has to be .............. real. As the judge said, "the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers." Likewise for reality, imo.

just recreational drugs....her parents have a nice home but are probably in debt up to their eyeballs, supporting her and her child....Casey's health insurance under mommy and daddy is about to run out at age 23 (at least thats how it works in my state). Who is paying for the baby's health insurance, even if she is COBRAed it is still at least $150-200. a month for a good plan with minimal coverage. G&C may have tried to make Casey face the reality that she is a single mother with responsibilities, she needs to create stability for herself. but they chose the wrong time to force their hand, because the mother of the year just wanted to be with her BF.

Cubby

08-13-2008, 07:57 PM

just recreational drugs....her parents have a nice home but are probably in debt up to their eyeballs, supporting her and her child....Casey's health insurance under mommy and daddy is about to run out at age 23 (at least thats how it works in my state). Who is paying for the baby's health insurance, even if she is COBRAed it is still at least $150-200. a month for a good plan with minimal coverage. G&C may have tried to make Casey face the reality that she is a single mother with responsibilities, she needs to create stability for herself. but they chose the wrong time to force their hand, because the mother of the year just wanted to be with her BF.

Caylee most likely was covered under the free state health plan, not sure what it is in FL, but in IL it's called KidsKare or KidsCare. I bolded where I agree.... I am very curious about the chain of events which led up to this.. and why the GP's weren't actively attempting to get Casey to make some plans for her and Caylees when Caylee was a few months old. Weren't they clued in when she had no income taxes to file if she claimed to be working? Did she simply not file them and did the GP's claim both Casey and Caylee as dependents?

So much just doesn't add up, if in fact Cindy was pushing for Casey and Caylee to bond. Something in my gut tells me Cindy took on the mothering role and was very controlling in just how much she allowed Casey to do/learn on her own.... I can't help but think some of that control from Cindy had a major impact on Casey's ability to become independent if mommy did everything for her and possibly criticized or corrected everything Casey did..... again, just my gut

and my opinion.

MarleneM

08-13-2008, 08:00 PM

SelmaClue

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

Of everything I've read and seen daily over the last month regarding Caylee's disappearance, hearing this one sentence uttered by her depraved mother during her first call home from jail is the reason I became compelled to follow this case through to the end. In that moment that I heard Casey Anthony cut off her crying friend's expected tears and admonish them with words of anger, jealousy and disbelief, I knew it was up to all of "us" to help investigators find Caylee. Casey sure wasn't going to do it.

I keep coming back to that sentence, and it's rude timing (meant to change the subject). I hear it any time I try to consider if Caylee is still alive. Honestly, if I was sitting on a jury and I heard that sentence in it's context: "OMG! Calling you guys? What a waste!!" on the heels of her friend crying to Casey about how she'll "just DIE" if anything happened to Caylee - Casey's own flesh and blood - I know I'd never be completely convinced Casey was innocent. I would never vote to let her walk.

I think as humans there exists evidence of guilt that is intangible to us all. Not notifying friends, family or police that your baby was stolen the minute you find out is but one example of this. My daughter is 4, and I can't sleep well anymore as I think about finding Caylee, in the hope to see her have a proper burial.

Vegas Bride

08-13-2008, 08:17 PM

Welcome to websleuths Marlene!
I think one of the reasons this case has kept everyones attention is because we can not fathom how a mother can be so uncaring about her missing daughter. The friend on that phone recording showed real love for that baby. imo everyone has shown love for her except for the one you would think would have it the most.

VB

SelmaClue

08-13-2008, 08:27 PM

Welcome to websleuths Marlene!
I think one of the reasons this case has kept everyones attention is because we can not fathom how a mother can be so uncaring about her missing daughter. The friend on that phone recording showed real love for that baby. imo everyone has shown love for her except for the one you would think would have it the most.

VB

So true... and they'll have a cold day in h3ll trying to cajole a jury into thinking otherwise, too. I can't get it out of my head ... the way she says it and the sound of her arrogant, self-entitled voice saying it. **shudder**

Amberjack

08-13-2008, 08:47 PM

Of everything I've read and seen daily over the last month regarding Caylee's disappearance, hearing this one sentence uttered by her depraved mother during her first call home from jail is the reason I became compelled to follow this case through to the end. In that moment that I heard Casey Anthony cut off her crying friend's expected tears and admonish them with words of anger, jealousy and disbelief, I knew it was up to all of "us" to help investigators find Caylee. Casey sure wasn't going to do it.

I keep coming back to that sentence, and it's rude timing (meant to change the subject). I hear it any time I try to consider if Caylee is still alive. Honestly, if I was sitting on a jury and I heard that sentence in it's context: "OMG! Calling you guys? What a waste!!" on the heels of her friend crying to Casey about how she'll "just DIE" if anything happened to Caylee - Casey's own flesh and blood - I know I'd never be completely convinced Casey was innocent. I would never vote to let her walk.

I think as humans there exists evidence of guilt that is intangible to us all. Not notifying friends, family or police that your baby was stolen the minute you find out is but one example of this. My daughter is 4, and I can't sleep well anymore as I think about finding Caylee, in the hope to see her have a proper burial.

Exactly! The indignant attitude from Casey!!!
No mention of CAYLEE.
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Christina: "If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die if anything happens to that baby."

Casey: "Oh, wow. Oh, my God, calling you guys is a waste, huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I would not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn't be going on."