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Simplicity
08-12-2008, 08:16 AM
Florida is full of lakes, bugs, snakes and alligators. Many weeks missing, this sick, twisted young mother could have fed her baby to the gators. The longer the investigators look without locating this child, I believe she did feed the baby to the gators.

I also believe that she's alienating herself from her family because she is not capable of emotions.

This woman killed her baby. No doubt in my mind. And, I don't buy the drowning theory. Although, she and her family would love for the investigators to conclude this as an accident. No way!



My heart does go out to her mother, father and brother. They apparently do have feelings and should be consoled instead of brutalized. :waitasec:

Amy1976
08-12-2008, 11:53 AM
I've thought of that too, but if she did that, Caylee would have had to be alive at the time, as gators do not feed on dead flesh...

Nemo
08-12-2008, 12:00 PM
When I went to Gatorland Zoo as a child, the gators were being fed dead chickens.

SelmaClue
08-12-2008, 12:20 PM
When I went to Gatorland Zoo as a child, the gators were being fed dead chickens.

Those were trained alligators.
:crazy:

QuickAttack
08-12-2008, 12:33 PM
I've thought of that too, but if she did that, Caylee would have had to be alive at the time, as gators do not feed on dead flesh...


I wish we could put this inaccuracy aside. It's been repeated many many times here.

Gators WILL eat dead flesh, carion of any kind.

SelmaClue
08-12-2008, 12:58 PM
I wish we could put this inaccuracy aside. It's been repeated many many times here.

Gators WILL eat dead flesh, carion of any kind.

I would be much more willing to discuss the method by which this beautiful baby met her demise if LE made it public that they have evidence that she no longer walks among us. Until they do, I'll bow out of this alligator (or other 'demise') topic now, because I really can't stand it but I couldn't help read it .......... because it was here. Ugh.

S

Amy1976
08-12-2008, 12:58 PM
I'm sorry if it seems innaccurate, maybe I should have made myself a little clearer. Alligators are not attracted to dead human flesh. I'm in no way trying to argue. They will eat dead chickens at the zoo, and they will eat rotted meat if they are hungry enough. But what attracts an alligator to its food in the first place is the movement. I am in no way trying to cause confusion, and pardon me if I stepped on any toes..As an animal lover and someone who has been in the animal business for years I just saw an opportunity to share a little bit of info that I thought may be helpful...Gators sometimes will eat whatever they find, but as a whole, they really aren't attracted to dead human flesh...Sorry if there was any confusion or misunderstandings..I would in no way want to hinder finding this little girl. P.S. Please take it easy on me, I'm just a newbie trying to be helpful.

impatientredhead
08-12-2008, 01:11 PM
I'm sorry if it seems innaccurate, maybe I should have made myself a little clearer. Alligators are not attracted to dead human flesh. I'm in no way trying to argue. They will eat dead chickens at the zoo, and they will eat rotted meat if they are hungry enough. But what attracts an alligator to its food in the first place is the movement. I am in no way trying to cause confusion, and pardon me if I stepped on any toes..As an animal lover and someone who has been in the animal business for years I just saw an opportunity to share a little bit of info that I thought may be helpful...Gators sometimes will eat whatever they find, but as a whole, they really aren't attracted to dead human flesh...Sorry if there was any confusion or misunderstandings..I would in no way want to hinder finding this little girl. P.S. Please take it easy on me, I'm just a newbie trying to be helpful.

http://www.allenpress.com/pdf/weme_16_303_119_124.pdf

* Eight other cases in Florida involved individuals who may have been dead
before the alligator attack.

In 2004 there 334 alligator attacks in Fl, 14 fatalties and 8 other cases where they believe the invidual was dead before the attack.

songline
08-12-2008, 01:19 PM
THE MORE I READ the More I get sick.
It never occurred to me to think alligators.....
But it never occurred to me that she can sit in a cell so calmly without helping find that baby.
Bipolar or not Bipolar BY NOW she herself should be wondering if the child is OK?

impatientredhead
08-12-2008, 01:29 PM
THE MORE I READ the More I get sick.
It never occurred to me to think alligators.....
But it never occurred to me that she can sit in a cell so calmly without helping find that baby.
Bipolar or not Bipolar BY NOW she herself should be wondering if the child is OK?


Not if she already knows the outcome which she clearly does. Reading through her myspace postings in the other thread she barely misses a day, no sign anything is wrong, and is actively making plans for every Friday at Fusian, not just the 20th. It appears she was there the 27th, hosted the party for her boyfriend on the 4th, and I will have to recheck if she talked about the 11th. She is not wondering at any point where or how Caylee is.

Luzer
08-12-2008, 01:38 PM
Florida does not have alligators on every street corner, as it seems people are assuming. There might be one or two stray alligator sightings a month. I feel there would be more stray dogs than gators.

It makes more sense that total decomposition would have occurred by now. It would not take long with the summer heat and all of the bugs.

LI_Mom
08-12-2008, 02:54 PM
Florida does not have alligators on every street corner, as it seems people are assuming. There might be one or two stray alligator sightings a month. I feel there would be more stray dogs than gators.

It makes more sense that total decomposition would have occurred by now. It would not take long with the summer heat and all of the bugs.


I assume "sightings" would mean finding an alligator somewhere it doesn't belong..... would an alligator at some body of water be reported?


Alligator Attack Database

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sfl-gator-database,0,5577679.htmlpage

Luzer
08-12-2008, 05:03 PM
I assume "sightings" would mean finding an alligator somewhere it doesn't belong..... would an alligator at some body of water be reported?


Alligator Attack Database

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sfl-gator-database,0,5577679.htmlpage

"Sightings" is a report that an alligator has been seen. When a gator has been reported in a residential area here in South Florida, a trapper is called in to catch the gator and transport it out of the area. They are not allowed to stay in the canals, man-made lakes, etc.

That was a cool link you found for the alligator attacks. Usually, the reports here in South Florida comes from a family pet being attacked.

boogiebear
09-07-2008, 05:58 AM
Since I am from the western part of NC, I have not seen or been around any alligator except at the zoo.
When alligator eat animals with large bones, do they digest the bones, or are they expelled with other wastes?
Thank you so much for your answers.

boogiebear
09-07-2008, 07:43 AM
Since I am from the western part of NC, I have not seen or been around any alligator except at the zoo.
When alligator eat animals with large bones, do they digest the bones, or are they expelled with other wastes?
Thank you so much for your answers.
Ok I will share what I have found so far.
Alligator can eat 23% of their body weight at one time. Imagine a 200 lb man eating 46 lbs. They do not like decomp, but will eat it if they are hungry, and in the wild they stay hungry, especially if they happen to be a big one.
Their digestion is 10 times stronger and faster than ours. To digest bone, which they can easily do, they have to go sun themselves, so they can "meditate" into a stage, where instead of sending out carbon dioxide out of their lungs, they divert it to their digestion where they can make a very strong acid out of it. If they can't relax and do this(impossible when they are moving about) then they cannot digest bone. The article did not say if the undigested bone is passed or held until it is digested eventually.
When the alligator does go poop, it is like bird poop. Poop is not just poop, but urination as well, and it all comes out the same hole, unlike mammals who have a hole for each process.
Anyone who wants to add something, or correct something, please do.

link to article where most of the information is located.

http://www.unews.utah.edu/p/?r=020408-1
An average American alligator is 800 lbs and 13 feet, and using the above formula it can eat 208lbs at a sitting.

Theonly1
09-07-2008, 07:43 AM
Since I am from the western part of NC, I have not seen or been around any alligator except at the zoo.
When alligator eat animals with large bones, do they digest the bones, or are they expelled with other wastes?
Thank you so much for your answers.

I'm not sure about that. But I wanted to share to WS that when we searched yesterday we saw gators. Gator "baby" (maybe 4 feet long?) was in a pond maybe about 70-100 feet away. We kept him eyeballed. Around the back end of the pond a searcher saw something big moving quick in the brush and we SCOOTED. No joke. We didn't go back in that area on foot.

And I was wrong when I posted (a million posts ago) that gators only eat live meat. Nope. Gators will eat dead things because I forgot that at Gatorland here in Orlando they certainly don't use live chickens to bait and feed the gators when audiences watch (can you imagine the trauma). Gators will eat dead things too (i.e., things they did not catch themselves).

T

marlap
09-07-2008, 07:50 AM
My feeling abd my hope is that if Casey were trying to get rid of Caylee's body, she would not venture for too long in a place with gators that nearby, especially if she were alone.

I hope so anyway. I hope she buried Caylee in some soft earth somewhere so the searchers will be able to find her.

GatorMom
09-07-2008, 08:16 AM
Alligators are carnivores. Young alligators eat insects, snails and other invertebrates, frogs and small fish. At a length of about six feet they begin to feed predominantly on fish, turtles, snakes, waterbirds, and small mammals. Larger alligators readily eat carrion and, in fact, may prefer it to fresh meat. They are basically opportunistic feeders and will eat almost anything, including such objects as sticks, stones, fishing lures and aluminum cans.

Source: http://agrigator.ifas.ufl.edu/gators/#feeding

During the Snott Peterson trial there was much discussion at my house about the best way to dispose of a body. Lake Jessup with it's remote areas around the shoreline would be my first choice. The alligators would not pass up a decomposing human body.

Sorry for the ick factor.

poco
09-07-2008, 08:19 AM
OMG, that is such a gross alligator question!!!!:crazy:

Law_girl41
09-07-2008, 08:20 AM
My sister went on an airboat tour yesterday and the tour/driver told them that they are extemely agitated this time over year with hurricane season. They Feed like a frenzy when a storms coming in - FEY!! for example. And that they have been know to even jump at or in the airboats when hungry. Now also the alligators down there will eat anything during nesting season. They are not that choosy. They were in the everglades and my sis took a pic of a 14 foot alligator that was coming at her car!

Law_girl41
09-07-2008, 08:21 AM
OMG, that is such a gross alligator question!!!!:crazy:

You forgot to thank 'em for posting the question! You are forgetting your manners. LOL

GatorMom
09-07-2008, 08:22 AM
My feeling abd my hope is that if Casey were trying to get rid of Caylee's body, she would not venture for too long in a place with gators that nearby, especially if she were alone.

I hope so anyway. I hope she buried Caylee in some soft earth somewhere so the searchers will be able to find her.

Sorry, I meant to include this in my post above.

If you are in Florida and anywhere near a body of water (including drainage ditches by a road) you are near an alligator. To assume otherwise is potentially fatal. I don't even walk my dogs near the lake where my parents live; the one gator who I've seen is nearly 12 feet long and they like to snack on dogs. Where there is one gator, you can bank on there being more you have not seen.

CA would not have to be in a gator infested area for very long. All she would need is a few minutes to put the child in the shallow water and high tail it out of there. The gators would take care of the rest.

When they showed the area near the airport where the cell phone was used; I looked at my DH and said, "She threw her to the gators in one of those retention ponds." I still think that is how CA took care of disposing of the body.

manatee
09-07-2008, 08:25 AM
I'm not sure about that. But I wanted to share to WS that when we searched yesterday we saw gators. Gator "baby" (maybe 4 feet long?) was in a pond maybe about 70-100 feet away. We kept him eyeballed. Around the back end of the pond a searcher saw something big moving quick in the brush and we SCOOTED. No joke. We didn't go back in that area on foot.

And I was wrong when I posted (a million posts ago) that gators only eat live meat. Nope. Gators will eat dead things because I forgot that at Gatorland here in Orlando they certainly don't use live chickens to bait and feed the gators when audiences watch (can you imagine the trauma). Gators will eat dead things too (i.e., things they did not catch themselves).

T

theonly1,
do you know if landfills or transfer stations are beign searched/or going to be searched? I'm thinking Casey is too lazy to do anything but put Caylee in a large black plastic bag and dump her in dumpster...imagining no one is going to check every single black plastic bag. I would love to hear your thoughts on this and what the plans are for this.
Thanks!

Law_girl41
09-07-2008, 08:27 AM
This is one gator they caught near the Orlando Airport During the expantion phase, this one was hiding in one of those concrete pipes behind that man!!

HELLO!!


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/BabyG713/alligator1.jpg

manatee
09-07-2008, 08:28 AM
Sorry, I meant to include this in my post above.

If you are in Florida and anywhere near a body of water (including drainage ditches by a road) you are near an alligator. To assume otherwise is potentially fatal. I don't even walk my dogs near the lake where my parents live; the one gator who I've seen is nearly 12 feet long and they like to snack on dogs. Where there is one gator, you can bank on there being more you have not seen.

CA would not have to be in a gator infested area for very long. All she would need is a few minutes to put the child in the shallow water and high tail it out of there. The gators would take care of the rest.

When they showed the area near the airport where the cell phone was used; I looked at my DH and said, "She threw her to the gators in one of those retention ponds." I still think that is how CA took care of disposing of the body.

Well, if this was her thinking...to feed her to gators...everyone around the orlando area knows LAKE JESSUP! Lake Jessup is where all the gators are taken tofrom other areas and dumped there. they are protected around here, so if there are too many gators in one area...they are trapped and dumped in lake jessup (Sanford area)...Anyone know if this area will be searched?

manatee
09-07-2008, 08:29 AM
This is one gator they caught near the Orlando Airport During the expantion phase, this one was hiding in one of those concrete pipes behind that man!!

HELLO!!


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/BabyG713/alligator1.jpg

and I'm sure he was dumped at lake jessup in sanford.

doortonowhere
09-07-2008, 08:30 AM
as sad as it is to admit, as soon as i saw the area her cell phone pinged that was my first reaction as well :( would make sense as to why she is so sure no one would find her, and she would be right about not knowing here Caylee is now.

manatee
09-07-2008, 08:32 AM
as sad as it is to admit, as soon as i saw the area her cell phone pinged that was my first reaction as well :( would make sense as to why she is so sure no one would find her, and she would be right about not knowing here Caylee is now.

I always thought it was a dumpster in a big lawn bag. Considering Caylee was only 30 something pounds...the bag would not look suspicious specially if she stuffed with other stuff like food (pizza) etc.... :mad:

marlap
09-07-2008, 08:33 AM
Sorry, I meant to include this in my post above.

If you are in Florida and anywhere near a body of water (including drainage ditches by a road) you are near an alligator. To assume otherwise is potentially fatal. I don't even walk my dogs near the lake where my parents live; the one gator who I've seen is nearly 12 feet long and they like to snack on dogs. Where there is one gator, you can bank on there being more you have not seen.

CA would not have to be in a gator infested area for very long. All she would need is a few minutes to put the child in the shallow water and high tail it out of there. The gators would take care of the rest.

When they showed the area near the airport where the cell phone was used; I looked at my DH and said, "She threw her to the gators in one of those retention ponds." I still think that is how CA took care of disposing of the body.


Wow! That does sound scary!

I had no idea it was that bad...

Theonly1
09-07-2008, 08:38 AM
Well, if this was her thinking...to feed her to gators...everyone around the orlando area knows LAKE JESSUP! Lake Jessup is where all the gators are taken tofrom other areas and dumped there. they are protected around here, so if there are too many gators in one area...they are trapped and dumped in lake jessup (Sanford area)...Anyone know if this area will be searched?

I have a friend who lives off/near that lake. He had two of his dogs eaten by gators (little poodle types). He had to lie to his wife about the fate of one of her poodle dogs because she would have been heartbroken to know that it got chomped by a gator. [They were vigilant after the first one about making sure the dogs didn't go near the lake but sometimes a dog makes an escape and that's all it takes.] I don't think they have any more dogs now! When hunting season is on he goes out with a gleam in his eye, let me tell you!
T

manatee
09-07-2008, 08:40 AM
I have a friend who lives off/near that lake. He had two of his dogs eaten by gators (little poodle types). He had to lie to his wife about the fate of one of her poodle dogs because she would have been heartbroken to know that it got chomped by a gator. [They were vigilant after the first one about making sure the dogs didn't go near the lake but sometimes a dog makes an escape and that's all it takes.] I don't think they have any more dogs now! When hunting season is on he goes out with a gleam in his eye, let me tell you!
T

So have you heard if they will be searching the lake jessup area? Also, what about the dumpsters (or landfills/transfer stations)?

GameTheory
09-07-2008, 08:47 AM
This is one gator they caught near the Orlando Airport During the expantion phase, this one was hiding in one of those concrete pipes behind that man!!

HELLO!!



OHHHHHHH thank you for the picture. Don't laugh with me now, but I knew gators but not gators like this. Being from Europe, I had NO CLUE they can be so monstreous. I am shocked. :eek::eek::eek:

manatee
09-07-2008, 08:50 AM
OHHHHHHH thank you for the picture. Don't laugh with me now, but I knew gators but not gators like this. Being from Europe, I had NO CLUE they can be so monstreous. I am shocked. :eek::eek::eek:

Well, the thing is supposely...that they have a "natural" fear of humans. meaning they swim away unless they have been fed by humans in the past. This is why it is illegal to feed gators! also if they accidentally bite a human they are usually tracked down and killed because they will attack again.

GameTheory
09-07-2008, 08:51 AM
I have a secret hope that beside searching for chloroform online she was doing some map searching and that LE already has that combined with her mobile info. And they are sending Equusearch to these areas. We just don't know about it. I really really hope this is the case. This baby deserves to come home and I am so touched about the people who go there and help with the search in such dangerous conditions. You are all angels.

GameTheory
09-07-2008, 08:53 AM
Well, the thing is supposely...that they have a "natural" fear of humans. meaning they swim away unless they have been fed by humans in the past. This is why it is illegal to feed gators! also if they accidentally bite a human they are usually tracked down and killed because they will attack again.

Thank you for the info but....the way we have destroyed the environment and changed the nature's balance, I don't think animals have ''natural'' fear of humans any more. They are just HUNGRY. IMO.

boogiebear
09-07-2008, 08:54 AM
I have heard of many horrible ways of getting rid of a body. (Using gas and just burning it will not do, It takes a lot of temp.) This is a disgusting way to dispose of a body, but where the pings were, this makes a lot of sense.

I do keep hearing how LE does not have a body. Well that is not the entire truth. If the leaks are correct(which I think most are), they quite a few pieces of little Caylee's body.
They have hair and scalp, they have fluid from the floor of the trunk, they have decomposed material from the backyard(from either one or two places). The problem with these pieces are, I doubt they will answer the question (which seems to be one of the few left) whether it was murder, or an accident. If she did manage to dispose of the body completely then we might never know, because Casey sure will not tell us.

Theonly1
09-07-2008, 08:55 AM
theonly1,
do you know if landfills or transfer stations are beign searched/or going to be searched? I'm thinking Casey is too lazy to do anything but put Caylee in a large black plastic bag and dump her in dumpster...imagining no one is going to check every single black plastic bag. I would love to hear your thoughts on this and what the plans are for this.
Thanks!

Anyone who searches with Equusearch agrees not to talk about the search areas to anyone. However, sometimes the media makes mention of the areas searched.

GameTheory
09-07-2008, 08:59 AM
I have heard of many horrible ways of getting rid of a body. (Using gas and just burning it will not do, It takes a lot of temp.) This is a disgusting way to dispose of a body, but where the pings were, this makes a lot of sense.

I do keep hearing how LE do not have a body. Well that is not the entire truth. If the leaks are correct(which I think most are), they quite a few pieces of little Caylee's body.
They have hair and scalp, they have fluid from the floor of the trunk, they have decomposed material from the backyard(from either one or two places). The problem with these pieces are, I doubt they will answer the question (which seems to be one of the few left) whether it was murder, or an accident. If she did manage to dispose of the body completely then we might never know, because Casey sure will not tell us.

ITA. I don't think the way the LE worked this case and still working on it, the outcome of a trial will be very different depending whether or not Caylee is found. Yeah finding Caylee will ensure a conviction but they can still do it with all the evidence we have seen and all that evidence we haven't seen.

All the efforts now is to bring the baby home. Also they might find additional items that couldn't be destoyed by the elements of nature or animals, like a rug, a suitcase, clothes, or something.

boogiebear
09-07-2008, 09:01 AM
Anyone who searches with Equusearch agrees not to talk about the search areas to anyone. However, sometimes the media makes mention of the areas searched.
They have been searching the landfills and for quite awhile. It has been mentioned a couple of times.

I have a crazy suggestion that in larger cities, where the trucks drive in with their loads to dump, that they have a sensing device that can detect human decomp. It probably would cost quite a bit of money, but I am sure that they spend quite a few dollars in the larger cities on things they just don't need, and this could save them quite a few dollars on searches alone.

manatee
09-07-2008, 09:02 AM
Anyone who searches with Equusearch agrees not to talk about the search areas to anyone. However, sometimes the media makes mention of the areas searched.

Thanks, theonly1! THANKS FOR DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!! It takes a special, strong persong to search for something as gruesome as a dead body...specially someone we feel we have come to know. thank you, thank you!
I serioulsy considered going but I am afraid of what I may find.
I will have faith that they are searching based on good leads and if she is meant to be found she will be.

:clap::clap::clap:

manatee
09-07-2008, 09:04 AM
They have been searching the landfills and for quite awhile. It has been mentioned a couple of times.

I have a crazy suggestion that in larger cities, where the trucks drive in with their loads to dump, that they have a sensing device that can detect human decomp. It probably would cost quite a bit of money, but I am sure that they spend quite a few dollars in the larger cities on things they just don't need, and this could save them quite a few dollars on searches alone.

Oh thanks. I had not heard that. I think that's where something will be found.

WillenFan21
09-09-2008, 11:55 AM
OK I don't know if the LE has taken this in consideration but its been on my mind for some time now. Florida is known for it's swamps and Gators which really concerns me that if Casey threw the body in the swamp that the Gators fed off it. I certainly hope that is not the case here and that Caylee can be brought home for a propper burial but its just something that's been on my mind now.

Also I think they need to get a warrant to dig up the Anthony's back yard.

ckwood32
09-09-2008, 12:03 PM
I believe Gators like food that is alive - not a dead body. JMO.

boogiebear
09-09-2008, 12:13 PM
OK I don't know if the LE has taken this in consideration but its been on my mind for some time now. Florida is known for it's swamps and Gators which really concerns me that if Casey threw the body in the swamp that the Gators fed off it. I certainly hope that is not the case here and that Caylee can be brought home for a propper burial but its just something that's been on my mind now.

Also I think they need to get a warrant to dig up the Anthony's back yard.

Yes it has been discussed, and for info concerning gators and their habits...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70526.

SuziQ
09-09-2008, 12:14 PM
There is already a thread on this. I'm asking the mods to combine.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68867&highlight=alligators

SuziQ
09-09-2008, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the link boogiebear. I'll add your link so we can keep the gator stuff together.

future criminologist
09-09-2008, 02:24 PM
THE MORE I READ the More I get sick.
It never occurred to me to think alligators.....
But it never occurred to me that she can sit in a cell so calmly without helping find that baby.
Bipolar or not Bipolar BY NOW she herself should be wondering if the child is OK?

please don't use the term 'bipolar' - it's incorrect. the term for what she probably has is sociopathic and/or narcissistic personality disorder, or borderline personality disorder. Bipolar disorder does not affect how you feel about your child, and does not cause you to become amoral -it only affects brain chemistry and mood.

future criminologist
09-09-2008, 02:28 PM
I have heard of many horrible ways of getting rid of a body. (Using gas and just burning it will not do, It takes a lot of temp.) This is a disgusting way to dispose of a body, but where the pings were, this makes a lot of sense.

I do keep hearing how LE does not have a body. Well that is not the entire truth. If the leaks are correct(which I think most are), they quite a few pieces of little Caylee's body.
They have hair and scalp, they have fluid from the floor of the trunk, they have decomposed material from the backyard(from either one or two places). The problem with these pieces are, I doubt they will answer the question (which seems to be one of the few left) whether it was murder, or an accident. If she did manage to dispose of the body completely then we might never know, because Casey sure will not tell us.

source, please? I have not read the information that I highlighted anywhere, and as that is pretty big evidence, we need to go on more than just rumor and conjecture.

TexasLil
09-09-2008, 02:29 PM
I have heard of many horrible ways of getting rid of a body. (Using gas and just burning it will not do, It takes a lot of temp.) This is a disgusting way to dispose of a body, but where the pings were, this makes a lot of sense.

I do keep hearing how LE does not have a body. Well that is not the entire truth. If the leaks are correct(which I think most are), they quite a few pieces of little Caylee's body.
They have hair and scalp, they have fluid from the floor of the trunk, they have decomposed material from the backyard(from either one or two places). The problem with these pieces are, I doubt they will answer the question (which seems to be one of the few left) whether it was murder, or an accident. If she did manage to dispose of the body completely then we might never know, because Casey sure will not tell us.

I was reading about human decomp. yesterday and remember reading that the fingernails will also easily detach about the same time the hair detaches from the scalp. I wonder if LE specifically looked for fingernails in the trunk also.

Darla
09-09-2008, 02:38 PM
please don't use the term 'bipolar' - it's incorrect. the term for what she probably has is sociopathic and/or narcissistic personality disorder, or borderline personality disorder. Bipolar disorder does not affect how you feel about your child, and does not cause you to become amoral -it only affects brain chemistry and mood.


I think she is both. I looked it up to make sure.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_sociopath_have_bipolar_disorder_too

Can a sociopath have bipolar disorder too?

Yes!

Comorbidity is extremely common in individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder. As the person gets older, the APD typically wanes to some extent, and it is common for anxiety disorders, depression and other mood disorders to develop. Additionally, the extensive substance abuse of many persons with this disorder contribute to the development of secondary illnesses.

CarrieSis
09-09-2008, 03:00 PM
I had a horrible thought that it pains me to write... would Casey have watched to make sure Caylee was gone?

Even Cindy is so SURE "there's no evidence"... ugh.

Nedthan Johns
09-09-2008, 03:01 PM
Florida is full of lakes, bugs, snakes and alligators. Many weeks missing, this sick, twisted young mother could have fed her baby to the gators. The longer the investigators look without locating this child, I believe she did feed the baby to the gators.

I also believe that she's alienating herself from her family because she is not capable of emotions.

This woman killed her baby. No doubt in my mind. And, I don't buy the drowning theory. Although, she and her family would love for the investigators to conclude this as an accident. No way!



My heart does go out to her mother, father and brother. They apparently do have feelings and should be consoled instead of brutalized. :waitasec:


??? consoled? What consoling have her parents done for Caylee? They haven't even searched for her. They haven't shown any concern for searching for thier GD.

Nedthan Johns
09-09-2008, 03:05 PM
Wow! That does sound scary!

I had no idea it was that bad...

There was a missing story on a 14 year old girl in the late 1970's kidnapped by a motorcycle gang. Unsolved Mysteries did a story on her titled "mute" her mother searched for her for over 20 years. On his death bed, a suspect confessed that he was part of the gang that kidnapped her daughter, and he admitted she was fed to the alligators. Her remains were never found.

donnam
09-09-2008, 03:23 PM
This is one gator they caught near the Orlando Airport During the expantion phase, this one was hiding in one of those concrete pipes behind that man!!

HELLO!!


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/BabyG713/alligator1.jpg
OMG!! That thing is HUGE!!!!!!! :eek:

Angelray
09-09-2008, 03:52 PM
Well, if this was her thinking...to feed her to gators...everyone around the orlando area knows LAKE JESSUP! Lake Jessup is where all the gators are taken tofrom other areas and dumped there. they are protected around here, so if there are too many gators in one area...they are trapped and dumped in lake jessup (Sanford area)...Anyone know if this area will be searched?

From the looks of that picture of a gator, I always said I would like to go to fl to live but omg that was one big gator. I in no way would want to even go close to Lake Jessup. How fast does or can a gator move? I would think if they moved very fast Casey would be afraid to go around a place that had gators. Only ones I have ever seen where at a zoo and they didnt look like they move very fast to me. But I would want to find out

Cagney
09-09-2008, 04:01 PM
Actually early on in the case this was one of my initial thoughts. I was still holding out hope that she was alive at the time, so I pushed it far away out of my mind.
I pray that this isn't what happened to this precious baby.

TURBOTHINK
09-09-2008, 04:19 PM
I've thought of that too, but if she did that, Caylee would have had to be alive at the time, as gators do not feed on dead flesh...

Gators not only feed on DEAD flesh, but they will take their prey and more or less bury it until it starts rotting before they eat it if they are not hungry at the time. They PREFER rotting flesh.

boogiebear
09-09-2008, 04:44 PM
source, please? I have not read the information that I highlighted anywhere, and as that is pretty big evidence, we need to go on more than just rumor and conjecture.

One of the tv stations in Florida had overhead footage of two places the dogs hit. As you know it is standard to have both places tested. I will go find the link. I think it was local 6. bbl

boogiebear
09-09-2008, 04:53 PM
One of the tv stations in Florida had overhead footage of two places the dogs hit. As you know it is standard to have both places tested. I will go find the link. I think it was local 6. bbl

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/15/cadaver-dogs-in-jailed-casey-anthonys-backyard/
Here is Cindy with Greta saying that there was 3 hits, but this is not what I saw. It was an overhead shot of the dog actually working in the backyard. I will keep looking...... Because we all know that Cindy is not a great source of info.

TURBOTHINK
09-09-2008, 05:03 PM
Sorry, I meant to include this in my post above.

If you are in Florida and anywhere near a body of water (including drainage ditches by a road) you are near an alligator. To assume otherwise is potentially fatal. I don't even walk my dogs near the lake where my parents live; the one gator who I've seen is nearly 12 feet long and they like to snack on dogs. Where there is one gator, you can bank on there being more you have not seen.

CA would not have to be in a gator infested area for very long. All she would need is a few minutes to put the child in the shallow water and high tail it out of there. The gators would take care of the rest.

When they showed the area near the airport where the cell phone was used; I looked at my DH and said, "She threw her to the gators in one of those retention ponds." I still think that is how CA took care of disposing of the body.

I also think that is WHY she is always so composed and Cindy is convinced they will not find a body. Those people planned this, and they did it like the drug dealers do it in Florida.........Thank George for that.

boogiebear
09-09-2008, 05:08 PM
source, please? I have not read the information that I highlighted anywhere, and as that is pretty big evidence, we need to go on more than just rumor and conjecture.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/open-thread-for-the-nancy-grace-show-938/

Here is another source, Padilla from the NG show, just put in "two hits" in the find box.

eg@gm
09-09-2008, 05:29 PM
I also think that is WHY she is always so composed and Cindy is convinced they will not find a body. Those people planned this, and they did it like the drug dealers do it in Florida.........Thank George for that.


This is not a horror movie people! This is real life. Families don't go around, have sex with their siblings, have babies, name them a combination of the parents names, wait until they are almost 3, throw them to alligators, pretend like nothing happened, leave subtle clues on myspace, and then report that the child is missing 30 days later, and then make up crazy lies about everything.

Casey is whacked. Her parents want to believe that their daughter did not murder their only grandchild. Give these people a break! They are only living in denial because they don't want to face such a tragic event. Would you? Would you want to pray that your baby is still alive and out there, and have people saying you should go to jail because you were in on it?

boogiebear
09-09-2008, 10:10 PM
source, please? I have not read the information that I highlighted anywhere, and as that is pretty big evidence, we need to go on more than just rumor and conjecture.

http://www.local6.com/news/17159019/detail.html

Quote from that link

Air Tested

Local 6 has learned that a lab affiliated with the University of Tennessee may be using a new type of technology to test air samples taken from the car of Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony.

Cadaver dogs led detectives to believe there were signs of decomposition in the trunk of Casey Anthony's vehicle and hit on two spots in the child's grandparents home early in the search for the missing girl.
Unquote


I hope this will be enough to back up my statement.