Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #85

[CW]

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[SelmaClue]

from previous thread:

This was a long time ago, seems this case has been going on forever.
IIRC, Any did file a report, and the bank reimbursed her for the check/s loss.
Around $700, they will go after Casey.
The cash I believe she said she would eat because Caylee was missing, and Casey had enough trouble. Casey got her for $1000.
IMO

If you have a link that provides proof by LE (not media), that would be cool. If not, it makes no sense to me. If someone stole my checks, I'd be at the police station with copies of forged checks and then on to court. End of story.

The point is, there's so much blather in this case that none of us should believe unless there are documents to back it up. This is why the case has attracted so much attention across the country (globe?) .... it's bizarre and it's full of holes and lies and we've not been shown anything SOLID. Yet.

[Chezhire]

I'm so glad you mentioned that. The board was talking very early this morning about Caylee having the missing cell phone I had no idea where that had come from. This is so easily traced IMO. So what they're going to say now is that Caylee was with Casey when she was "supposedly" missing. (?) Hey, then why lie about the 31 days?

I've been asking why would she put the disappearance at June 9 when it's obviously later than Father's Day June 15 at the visit that was video taped...and the best explanation I've heard yet is that she just got her dates mixed up ...
thoughts?

[puffster]

They're probably not going to run a piece about it on TV because of the underlying facts . . . I can just hear John Walsh now . .

"We need to find a 3 year old girl in Florida . . . because her mother doesn't seem to want to."

That wouldn't make very good television.
The show is about finding the "most wanted". In this case, the "most wanted" is behind bars.

[wishingtree]

Yeah, eventually they do get dropped unless there is breaking news.

Great point. Since the majority of us believe that little Caylee is no longer with us, then I think it might be beneficial in a way for some of the coverage to drop until there is actually something legitimate to report. The reason is that I think Casey truly thrives on the attention. She is in the same age group as the various young celebrities who think its cool to have a bad reputation and get reported in the press (for ex. Paris, Lindsay Lohan, etc.). I was disappointed when People Magazine featured a small picture of Casey on their cover and wish they would have just had Caylee's picture there and put Casey's somewhere inside the article. Maybe (a wild stretch I know) if the news died down and no one was coming to see her or take her calls, she might drop some new bit of "coded information" to get herself back in the news. Unfortunately I recoginize the flaw of my own idea here, b/c even if she did give out more b/s information it would just have us all scratching our heads again and waste more of LE's valuable time. :furious: Oh well, guess that idea doesn't work so well after all, but I still wish People wouldn't have put her picture on the cover.

[swa]

What are your thoughts on the question of whether or not Cindy and/or George have been withholding, concealing or covering up her involvement?

The bottom line to Casey talking is the DNA evidence. Baez isn't going to let her SAY A WORD until the results are made known.

If they come back positive -- she will probably say it was an accident.

If they come back negative -- she won't say a word and the case will probably never be solved.

[puffster]

from previous thread:



If you have a link that provides proof by LE (not media), that would be cool. If not, it makes no sense to me. If someone stole my checks, I'd be at the police station with copies of forged checks and then on to court. End of story.

The point is, there's so much blather in this case that none of us should believe unless there are documents to back it up. This is why the case has attracted so much attention across the country (globe?) .... it's bizarre and it's full of holes and lies and we've not been shown anything SOLID. Yet.
Have you read the original police report about her sworn affidavit?

[Chezhire]

from previous thread:



If you have a link that provides proof by LE (not media), that would be cool. If not, it makes no sense to me. If someone stole my checks, I'd be at the police station with copies of forged checks and then on to court. End of story.

The point is, there's so much blather in this case that none of us should believe unless there are documents to back it up. This is why the case has attracted so much attention across the country (globe?) .... it's bizarre and it's full of holes and lies and we've not been shown anything SOLID. Yet.

Go here, to the Affidavit thread, Post # 2:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67821

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0805/17101537.pdf

[athy]

i don't think cindy and george look at themselves as hiding or covering up anything. i believe IMO, they look at some of the things they've done or said as removing the negativity and anything that makes casey seem worse than she already is so people would concentrate on finding Caylee. remove the negative keep the positive.

[OneLostGrl]

The show is about finding the "most wanted". In this case, the "most wanted" is behind bars.

Didn't most wanted cover Trenton Duckett?

[Chezhire]

Go here, to the Affidavit thread, Post # 2:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67821

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0805/17101537.pdf

SORRY - it's Post no. 1
See specifically page 3 of 4 of the affidavit - paragraph on Amy H.

[Dolphinmomcca]

Since there was a flurry of posting when I asked a question, I will ask again, incase I got overlooked......anyone have a link to the Fathers Day video that was made at the nursing home?? I believe someone said they have a video of the visit?

[Lanie]

I've been asking why would she put the disappearance at June 9 when it's obviously later than Father's Day June 15 at the visit that was video taped...and the best explanation I've heard yet is that she just got her dates mixed up ...
thoughts?

This is just speculation on my part, because of things said at the beginning. I think June 9 is when Casey moved out.
Lanie

[OneLostGrl]

Since there was a flurry of posting when I asked a question, I will ask again, incase I got overlooked......anyone have a link to the Fathers Day video that was made at the nursing home?? I believe someone said they have a video of the visit?

Sorry, I dont.

[ketel0ne]

What are your thoughts on the question of whether or not Cindy and/or George have been withholding, concealing or covering up her involvement?


To the press 100%
To LE I have no idea.
In their actions it would be a judgement call, I have never seen a missing persons case where an accurate and repeatable timeline from the family could not be established up to the time of the disappearance. I have never seen a case in which the little facts are waffled on and changed for really no apparent or connected reason. Other families have had a person involved or withhold information as well, and the missing persons case moved ahead both in LE and the media. Why doesn't this one?

[Chezhire]

:clap::clap::clap:Great point. Since the majority of us believe that little Caylee is no longer with us, then I think it might be beneficial in a way for some of the coverage to drop until there is actually something legitimate to report. The reason is that I think Casey truly thrives on the attention. She is in the same age group as the various young celebrities who think its cool to have a bad reputation and get reported in the press (for ex. Paris, Lindsay Lohan, etc.). I was disappointed when People Magazine featured a small picture of Casey on their cover and wish they would have just had Caylee's picture there and put Casey's somewhere inside the article. Maybe (a wild stretch I know) if the news died down and no one was coming to see her or take her calls, she might drop some new bit of "coded information" to get herself back in the news. Unfortunately I recoginize the flaw of my own idea here, b/c even if she did give out more b/s information it would just have us all scratching our heads again and waste more of LE's valuable time. :furious: Oh well, guess that idea doesn't work so well after all, but I still wish People wouldn't have put her picture on the cover.

I agree wholeheartedly - we're not searching for CASEY, we're still searching for CAYLEE!

[ketel0ne]

Since there was a flurry of posting when I asked a question, I will ask again, incase I got overlooked......anyone have a link to the Fathers Day video that was made at the nursing home?? I believe someone said they have a video of the visit?

http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/ its a link on the front page.

[Chezhire]

This is just speculation on my part, because of things said at the beginning. I think June 9 is when Casey moved out.
Lanie

Do you have an opinion as to where you think she went, or was she just couching out anywhere she & Caylee could? And do you think Cayle was really "with her" the entire time, or just sporadically, maybe still being dropped off to CiCi & Grandpa from time to time (read: at night when Casey wanted to go out & be with her new BF???)

[ketel0ne]

This is just speculation on my part, because of things said at the beginning. I think June 9 is when Casey moved out.
Lanie

One would never know that from Cindy.

[MagicRose99]

The show is about finding the "most wanted". In this case, the "most wanted" is behind bars.

No... the "most wanted" is that precious missing baby....

[Lanie]

To the press 100%
To LE I have no idea.
In their actions it would be a judgement call, I have never seen a missing persons case where an accurate and repeatable timeline from the family could not be established up to the time of the disappearance. I have never seen a case in which the little facts are waffled on and changed for really no apparent or connected reason. Other families have had a person involved or withhold information as well, and the missing persons case moved ahead both in LE and the media. Why doesn't this one?

Maybe because LE knows a lot more than we do and is trying to get all their ducks in a row?
People have made the comparison to the Trenton Duckett case, and look how that turned out. This is probably still fresh in the minds of LE, and they are maybe trying to handle things a little differently to obtain a different outcome.
Lanie

[SelmaClue]

Have you read the original police report about her sworn affidavit?

Apparently not, which is why I said it would be cool if you had proof (a link.) Please? Thanks!
:)

[mommya]

Just thinking out loud about George's comments and thoughts.

It seems like he thinks that someone has Caylee and that whoever they are - they are not necessarily all that bad - that they could and should just come to their senses and release her - or they may not even realize that they have Caylee - but that they might see something to make them realize this and release her.

It's like he thinks she's been passed off to someone - sold maybe? Like there's another layer of bad people between Casey and wherever Caylee is now. That layer of people are the ones being watched?

[impatientredhead]

from previous thread:



If you have a link that provides proof by LE (not media), that would be cool. If not, it makes no sense to me. If someone stole my checks, I'd be at the police station with copies of forged checks and then on to court. End of story.

The point is, there's so much blather in this case that none of us should believe unless there are documents to back it up. This is why the case has attracted so much attention across the country (globe?) .... it's bizarre and it's full of holes and lies and we've not been shown anything SOLID. Yet.

I will look for a transcript as soon as I can figure out what show it was on, but Amy filed the report to the theft and forgery and has argreed to pursue charges. It is out of her hands at the moment until the police and prosecuters decide to go forward. Considering all the other circumstances I would not expect to see those charges unless they don't have a charge holding her responsible for Caylee. They will want the bigger charges, it is not uncommon for all of the possible charges to be brought forward in a big case. It makes the cases complicated and is a waste of taxpayer money if you are going to get life or possibly the DP on other charges.

[Chezhire]

To the press 100%
To LE I have no idea.
In their actions it would be a judgement call, I have never seen a missing persons case where an accurate and repeatable timeline from the family could not be established up to the time of the disappearance. I have never seen a case in which the little facts are waffled on and changed for really no apparent or connected reason. Other families have had a person involved or withhold information as well, and the missing persons case moved ahead both in LE and the media. Why doesn't this one?

Agreed. I am presuming that it's moving forward behind the scenes and that LE isn't releasing any info for a reason. I eman, we know they already have phone records, as just one example, but they haven't released those yet...and it can't be because they don't want casey's lawyers to have them (these would obviously still be quite relevant to the pending charges of child endangerment, etc., as they could prove/disprove the phone calls to the "nanny",) hence no reason to try to hold those close to LE's chest...???

[Chezhire]

One would never know that from Cindy.

Cindy is still in denial.

[miss lisa]

This is just speculation on my part, because of things said at the beginning. I think June 9 is when Casey moved out.
Lanie

I personally don't think she "moved" out I think she just disappeared to stay with TonE from the 9th until the 15th. Packed a few party dresses in a back pack. I'd be willing to bet 95% of her things & Caylee's were still at the Anthony home.

[ketel0ne]

Maybe because LE knows a lot more than we do and is trying to get all their ducks in a row?
People have made the comparison to the Trenton Duckett case, and look how that turned out. This is probably still fresh in the minds of LE, and they are maybe trying to handle things a little differently to obtain a different outcome.
Lanie

IMO if Casey is the stumbling block to this case, the LE learned nothing from Trenton's case.

[puffster]

Apparently not, which is why I said it would be cool if you had proof (a link.) Please? Thanks!
:)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67821

[impatientredhead]

I've been asking why would she put the disappearance at June 9 when it's obviously later than Father's Day June 15 at the visit that was video taped...and the best explanation I've heard yet is that she just got her dates mixed up ...
thoughts?

The 9th and the 15th are the same day of the week, if you asked me what I did last month I could easily get the day of the week right and the actual date wrong. Casey actually said 31 days which goes back to the 15/16th of June.

[SelmaClue]

SORRY - it's Post no. 1
See specifically page 3 of 4 of the affidavit - paragraph on Amy H.

Oh. THAT affidavit. Yes, I've read it several times. The investigator says that Amy claims Casey stole $700, etc. I want to see Amy file a police report and hold Casey to the flame. Otherwise, anybody can claim anything. Unless Amy files charges with the police, I'm not convinced it happened. Who the hell is Amy? Seriously. Why is her word golden in this case? ... know what I mean?

[french75]

Apparently not, which is why I said it would be cool if you had proof (a link.) Please? Thanks!
:)

Edit: already answered! :)

[SelmaClue]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67821

IMO, it's not proof of stolen cash or checks. Amy has to file a police report. (And yes, I know I'm repeating msyelf. LOL)

[Chezhire]

Maybe because LE knows a lot more than we do and is trying to get all their ducks in a row?
People have made the comparison to the Trenton Duckett case, and look how that turned out. This is probably still fresh in the minds of LE, and they are maybe trying to handle things a little differently to obtain a different outcome.
Lanie

frankly I can't see the Trenton Duckett parallels. This mother is safely behind bars and her attorney isn't going to let her near a newsreporter... I see no reason for LE to fear a repeat of the TD case re: the prime suspect committing suicide after being questioned on national TV. Can anyone else explain a logical parallel, beyond the fact that in each a child is missing and a parent is the prime suspect???

[Chezhire]

Apparently not, which is why I said it would be cool if you had proof (a link.) Please? Thanks!
:)

i already put the link in above :)

[ketel0ne]

Oh. THAT affidavit. Yes, I've read it several times. The investigator says that Amy claims Casey stole $700, etc. I want to see Amy file a police report and hold Casey to the flame. Otherwise, anybody can claim anything. Unless Amy files charges with the police, I'm not convinced it happened. Who the hell is Amy? Seriously. Why is her word golden in this case? ... know what I mean?

Cause she also says she got her money back from her bank and LE can very easily check both. Also if the bank filed charges and those are still being investigated then LE wouln't actually have to charge Casey yet and Amy would have nothing to do with it.

[Chezhire]

Oh. THAT affidavit. Yes, I've read it several times. The investigator says that Amy claims Casey stole $700, etc. I want to see Amy file a police report and hold Casey to the flame. Otherwise, anybody can claim anything. Unless Amy files charges with the police, I'm not convinced it happened. Who the hell is Amy? Seriously. Why is her word golden in this case? ... know what I mean?

that's, as they say, "as good as it gets:

[impatientredhead]

I personally don't think she "moved" out I think she just disappeared to stay with TonE from the 9th until the 15th. Packed a few party dresses in a back pack. I'd be willing to bet 95% of her things & Caylee's were still at the Anthony home.

From the video 99% of their things were still at home. There was no official move out in my opinion either. From her myspace posting though there were clearly plans to, with Amy, who she clearly screwed over and the plans seem to fall apart throughout the month. If Casey was gone from the 9th until the 15th, and had just dumped Caylee on her parents that could be the source of the fight on FD weekend, and the resulting leaving with Caylee on the 16th, who was then in her way of partying.

[Chezhire]

Cause she also says she got her money back from her bank and LE can very easily check both. Also if the bank filed charges and those are still being investigated then LE wouln't actually have to charge Casey yet and Amy would have nothing to do with it.

another item I figure we're all hoping that LE is checking into... <aighs>

[Amberjack]

"DRAMMMA"=Histrionics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

[miss lisa]

Cause she also says she got her money back from her bank and LE can very easily check both. Also if the bank filed charges and those are still being investigated then LE wouln't actually have to charge Casey yet and Amy would have nothing to do with it.

Agreed. The Bank would be filing the charges since Amy has been reimbursed. This very situation happened to my son.

[miss lisa]

From the video 99% of their things were still at home. There was no official move out in my opinion either. From her myspace posting though there were clearly plans to, with Amy, who she clearly screwed over and the plans seem to fall apart throughout the month. If Casey was gone from the 9th until the 15th, and had just dumped Caylee on her parents that could be the source of the fight on FD weekend, and the resulting leaving with Caylee on the 16th, who was then in her way of partying.

That is EXACTLY what I think happened!!!!

Yes and Cindy telling her to get her crap together once and for all!

[ketel0ne]

From the video 99% of their things were still at home. There was no official move out in my opinion either. From her myspace posting though there were clearly plans to, with Amy, who she clearly screwed over and the plans seem to fall apart throughout the month. If Casey was gone from the 9th until the 15th, and had just dumped Caylee on her parents that could be the source of the fight on FD weekend, and the resulting leaving with Caylee on the 16th, who was then in her way of partying.

According to the DJ friend Caylee and Casey were at Tony's on Friday the 13th during the day. Casey left took Caylee to GPS and came back to Tony's and some of us believe Fusian, I believe Tony did not go to Fusian that night, but I would have to dig up a transcript to be sure.

[ketel0ne]

another item I figure we're all hoping that LE is checking into... <aighs>

It was rumored week 2 that if she bonded out they had more charges awaiting her. Could be check fraud.

[Chezhire]

From the video 99% of their things were still at home. There was no official move out in my opinion either. From her myspace posting though there were clearly plans to, with Amy, who she clearly screwed over and the plans seem to fall apart throughout the month. If Casey was gone from the 9th until the 15th, and had just dumped Caylee on her parents that could be the source of the fight on FD weekend, and the resulting leaving with Caylee on the 16th, who was then in her way of partying.

I'm feeling Caylee wasn't dumped on the GPs, but rather it was that when Casey wanted to pick her up to leave with her the GPs got upset about it and didn't want Casey taking Caylee out of their home b/c they were afraid and/or knew Casey couldn't handle being a mother all on her own without a job, etc., and would be dragging little Caylee all over gosh knows where... so I'm entertaining the idea of a blow out between June 15-16, which somehow ended in Caylee's disappearance, which could have been with or without GPs knowledge... though I'm leaning towards GPs not really knowing what happened...:(:confused:

[chrisg]

Oh. THAT affidavit. Yes, I've read it several times. The investigator says that Amy claims Casey stole $700, etc. I want to see Amy file a police report and hold Casey to the flame. Otherwise, anybody can claim anything. Unless Amy files charges with the police, I'm not convinced it happened. Who the hell is Amy? Seriously. Why is her word golden in this case? ... know what I mean?

Amy's word isn't golden but since Casey allegedly also stole money from her mother it certainly is plausible. Very little has been proven in this case yet so if that's what you want I suggest you chill out and wait for the trial. It's highly unlikely the 'proof' you are looking for will be available prior to then.

[kcsmom76]

No... the "most wanted" is that precious missing baby....

Agreed!

[Chezhire]

That is EXACTLY what I think happened!!!!

Yes and Cindy telling her to get her crap together once and for all!

how about the reverse: Cindy telling her she can take anything that's hers but NOT CAYLEE
?

[Lanie]

Do you have an opinion as to where you think she went, or was she just couching out anywhere she & Caylee could? And do you think Cayle was really "with her" the entire time, or just sporadically, maybe still being dropped off to CiCi & Grandpa from time to time (read: at night when Casey wanted to go out & be with her new BF???)

My opinion is there was some kind of argument that led to Casey making plans with Amy to get a place together, and this is the date she was supposed to move out. I can imagine the kinds of things Cindy would be saying to Casey leading up to this time, about 'life in the real world', so when the time came, and the place with Amy wasn't panning out, I believe Casey moved anyway, taking Caylee, probably out of spite towards her mother, and proceeded to crash with whoever would have them. (I've seen conflicting reports she was staying with Amy and Ricardo, and also she was staying with Tony. ?) This comes across to me at this point as a power struggle between Cindy and Casey, and just guessing, I would think Cindy refused to babysit Caylee from June 9 until Father's Day, when she made arrangements to take Caylee to visit G-GP. (This also explains for me why no Casey at nursing home, and why there doesn't seem to be much of a Father's Day celebration for George.) So Casey is Caylee-free all Father's Day after a week of being solely responsible for Caylee. I also wouldn't be surprised if Cindy hadn't found a few opportunities to rub Casey's nose in it. I don't think Casey's personality would allow her to admit she was wrong, and her mother was right, and that leads us to where we are now.
JMO
Lanie

[miss lisa]

how about the reverse: Cindy telling her she can take anything that's hers but NOT CAYLEE
?

Now there's food for thought too! Very possible. I could definitely see myself doing just that.

[ketel0ne]

Amy's word isn't golden but since Casey allegedly also stole money from her mother it certainly is plausible. Very little has been proven in this case yet so if that's what you want I suggest you chill out and wait for the trial. It's highly unlikely the 'proof' you are looking for will be available prior to then.

Casey also had Amy's car until the day of the 911 calls. The police talked to Amy the next day I believe.

[mommya]

"DRAMMMA"=Histrionics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

Wow - that seems accurate.

[impatientredhead]

According to the DJ friend Caylee and Casey were at Tony's on Friday the 13th during the day. Casey left took Caylee to GPS and came back to Tony's and some of us believe Fusian, I believe Tony did not go to Fusian that night, but I would have to dig up a transcript to be sure.

I will look for it too because I thought the last date Tony and the DJ saw Caylee was the 2nd of June, which is when the neighbors saw her in the pool.

There is a picture of Casey at Fusian on the 13th, she was definitely there. And then there are the pictures from the 20th, and then all of her comments on myspace are recruiting people for the 27th as well as making arrangements to be there. No pictures I have seen yet that put her there, but no comments about missing it. The 4th there the BarBQ party, and then more posts about going on the 10th, but again no verification that she made it.

[Blink34]

Have only a few minutes on here today, just ran through last thread and wanted to catch up and quick comment.

The psychic comments were hilarious and a laugh I needed, thanks to all.

Regarding TES, yes, I did make the offer for introduction early on and it has never been responded to. I made a second offer that if they would agree to their help that I would personally come to Orlando at my OWN personal expense, no media alerts or bi-lines, and help in the search in whatever capacity Tim felt I could best serve. Again was not responded to..

Just wanted to clear that up. Thanks

[Hisimage]

Casey also had Amy's car until the day of the 911 calls. The police talked to Amy the next day I believe.

Has anyone , LE checked out Amys car?

[ketel0ne]

I will look for it too because I thought the last date Tony and the DJ saw Caylee was the 2nd of June, which is when the neighbors saw her in the pool.

There is a picture of Casey at Fusian on the 13th, she was definitely there. And then there are the pictures from the 20th, and then all of her comments on myspace are recruiting people for the 27th as well as making arrangements to be there. No pictures I have seen yet that put her there, but no comments about missing it. The 4th there the BarBQ party, and then more posts about going on the 10th, but again no verification that she made it.

Its from Greta when the DJ was confiding in one of her producers by written statement right after Michael Walsh had been on saying Casey "worked" for fusian.

[Lanie]

One would never know that from Cindy.

I can't respond to that because I don't have the links to back me up, but if I get time, I will see if I can hunt them down.
Lanie

[DianeB]

I personally don't think she "moved" out I think she just disappeared to stay with TonE from the 9th until the 15th. Packed a few party dresses in a back pack. I'd be willing to bet 95% of her things & Caylee's were still at the Anthony home.And she'd clearly failed to reveal to grandma where Tony lived. Cindy may not have even known his name.

And despite the fact that they were about to become roommates (if those facebook/myspace comments are to be believed), it appears Cindy didn't know Amy, either, since that contact came after she found a slip of paper in the car.

[SailorMoon]

But they have done one thing different...this girls butt is in jail.

Maybe because LE knows a lot more than we do and is trying to get all their ducks in a row?
People have made the comparison to the Trenton Duckett case, and look how that turned out. This is probably still fresh in the minds of LE, and they are maybe trying to handle things a little differently to obtain a different outcome.
Lanie

[ketel0ne]

If this case was on "Without a Trace" the timeline would be a tree.

[LI_Mom]

I personally don't think she "moved" out I think she just disappeared to stay with TonE from the 9th until the 15th. Packed a few party dresses in a back pack. I'd be willing to bet 95% of her things & Caylee's were still at the Anthony home.

Didn't she also leave Caylee's favorite teddy bear at GPs house?

When you're packing to leave with a child, you NEVER leave the favorite doll/stuffed animal.... you just don't forget something THAT important.

Another interesting thing....

LE supposedly took into evidence a whole lot of Casey's clothes that she had took with her when she moved out.

Why wouldn't they have taken Caylee's clothes into evidence also? Didn't Casey bring ANYTHING of Caylee's when she allegedly 'moved' out with the child????

[fixingtoburst]

If Casey could bond out you can bet they would up the charges considerably. Since she can't they don't have to go to a Grand Jury and reveal what evidence they have against Casey already. This is a game of poker and they don't want to reveal their cards until it's time to play them.

[Chezhire]

Casey also had Amy's car until the day of the 911 calls. The police talked to Amy the next day I believe.

Casey had AMy's car from July 8 - 15. Page 3 of 4.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

[Lanie]

I personally don't think she "moved" out I think she just disappeared to stay with TonE from the 9th until the 15th. Packed a few party dresses in a back pack. I'd be willing to bet 95% of her things & Caylee's were still at the Anthony home.

Yes, I agree she just took a few of their things. I still consider it moving out, as leaving with no intention of living at the Anthony home again. You can 'move' out with just the clothes on your back, I did at 17 and never lived with my parents again.

[jep0216]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but I just got home from work and haven't been able to catch up...Lee cancelled another visit? Why do they even bother rescheduling if they know they aren't going to go??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402105,00.html

Ok and what's up with this?? Passing clues creatively??

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/08/12/ac.caylee.search.cnn

[Chezhire]

Has anyone , LE checked out Amys car?

great thought ... would love to know :waitasec:

[ketel0ne]

Casey had AMy's car from July 8 - 15. Page 3 of 4.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

Thanks I should have stated when she began driving it.

[impatientredhead]

Its from Greta when the DJ was confiding in one of her producers by written statement right after Michael Walsh had been on saying Casey "worked" for fusian.

According to the police report and all the other timelines I can find Tony saw her last on June 2nd not the 13th.

[Chezhire]

If this case was on "Without a Trace" the timeline would be a tree.

...several trees... <sighs> I'm really ready for some new info. to ponder...

[ketel0ne]

Yes, I agree she just took a few of their things. I still consider it moving out, as leaving with no intention of living at the Anthony home again. You can 'move' out with just the clothes on your back, I did at 17 and never lived with my parents again.

Cindy has stated in multiple inteviews they did not move out, "tampa for work" and "mini vacation" but never moved out.

[Lanie]

Unless Amy files charges with the police, I'm not convinced it happened. Who the hell is Amy? Seriously. Why is her word golden in this case? ... know what I mean?

Well, Amy hasn't been caught by anyone in any lies, or even flip-flopping I am aware of. I am willing to take her word until then. If you are not, that's your perogative.
Lanie

[Chezhire]

Didn't she also leave Caylee's favorite teddy bear at GPs house?

When you're packing to leave with a child, you NEVER leave the favorite doll/stuffed animal.... you just don't forget something THAT important.

Another interesting thing....

LE supposedly took into evidence a whole lot of Casey's clothes that she had took with her when she moved out.

Why wouldn't they have taken Caylee's clothes into evidence also? Didn't Casey bring ANYTHING of Caylee's when she allegedly 'moved' out with the child????

[sarcasm on] Let me guess: the nannny has her things

[jep0216]

Part of the article I just referred to in my last post...

"About a year later, the man believed to be Caylee's father died in a car crash and was buried out of state. Casey Anthony did not attend the funeral, Lee Anthony said. His family says he never knew he was the father; the Anthony family says he did but didn't tell anyone else."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402105,00.html

This could only be referring to the guy previously referred to as the friend who died in the car crash in May 2007. That is the only family (that we are aware of) that has been talked to by LE, and the mother denied having any knowledge that he was the father. The comment "His family says he never knew he was the father" is that the family admitting he was the father? Not knowing and not being, are 2 different things! Have they in fact determined the father now or am I just reading too much into this?

[Chezhire]

Yes, I agree she just took a few of their things. I still consider it moving out, as leaving with no intention of living at the Anthony home again. You can 'move' out with just the clothes on your back, I did at 17 and never lived with my parents again.

just food for thought: if Caylee was typically taken car of by Cindy "CiCi," and not by her mama, and CiCi typically bathed her, got her dressed for bed every night, helped her brush her teeth, say her prayers, etc., then Casey really might not realize how important things like a child's favorite stuffed animal/doll can be... thus she "left" without it...
?

[fixingtoburst]

Part of the article I just referred to in my last post...

"About a year later, the man believed to be Caylee's father died in a car crash and was buried out of state. Casey Anthony did not attend the funeral, Lee Anthony said. His family says he never knew he was the father; the Anthony family says he did but didn't tell anyone else."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402105,00.html

This could only be referring to the guy previously referred to as the friend who died in the car crash in May 2007. That is the only family (that we are aware of) that has been talked to by LE, and the mother denied having any knowledge that he was the father. The comment "His family says he never knew he was the father" is that the family admitting he was the father? Not knowing and not being, are 2 different things! Have they in fact determined the father now or am I just reading too much into this?

How can they determine Caylee's father without a DNA sample from her and a suspected father?

[ketel0ne]

According to the police report and all the other timelines I can find Tony saw her last on June 2nd not the 13th.

Not saying I buy any of it, but here is where it was from Aug. 1st.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395764,00.html

COLBY: But nevertheless, she lived with Tony in this apartment until she was arrested, but Caylee wasn't there at the time. In fact, from what I understand, June 13 was the last date that the DJ saw Caylee. Did they ever ask, he or Tony, where Caylee was?
WATTS: Yes, on numerous occasions. June 13 -- and they remember the day specifically because it was a Friday, and the Friday was the night that they did their club promotions and the pictures that we've seen. That Friday, Casey -- sorry, Caylee -- Casey had come to the home with Caylee. They played. It was in the afternoon. Casey had left and returned later that evening without Caylee. She had changed her clothes, got ready for the club to go and meet Tony, who was at the club. DJ decided that evening decided to stay home and not to go to the club, so he remembers specifically that it was that night.
And after that evening, Jamie, that was the last time they'd seen Caylee. They kept asking Casey, Where's Caylee? And she would say, She's with my mother, She's with her grandmother, She's with the nanny, She's away on a trip. And they didn't think anything of it. They obviously didn't question her on it because they trusted her word at that point.

[DeltaDawn]

from previous thread:



If you have a link that provides proof by LE (not media), that would be cool. If not, it makes no sense to me. If someone stole my checks, I'd be at the police station with copies of forged checks and then on to court. End of story.

The point is, there's so much blather in this case that none of us should believe unless there are documents to back it up. This is why the case has attracted so much attention across the country (globe?) .... it's bizarre and it's full of holes and lies and we've not been shown anything SOLID. Yet.

Amy called the bank, the bank replaced the money taken from her account. At that point the bank would need to file charges...not Amy.

As far as the cashe stolen, well I think Amy was ready to cut her loses and be done with Casey. She told the LE in the affadaivit she gave about the missing money..at that point there were bigger issues then the cash that she stole.

Same with her running up her Mom's credit cards...there is a bigger issue here to all of them... Caylee..then to worry right now about missing money.

[Chezhire]

Cindy has stated in multiple inteviews they did not move out, "tampa for work" and "mini vacation" but never moved out.

I've been wondering if Cindy's version of the truth = they weren't really moving out (say, these fights had happened before and Casey and she always made up, etc.), but this time, Casey decided that she was really moving out...and one thing lead to another...and now Caylee's missing...
Thus explaining why Cindy cannot accept that her daughter had "moved out" and would be back with them shortly
?

[LI_Mom]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but I just got home from work and haven't been able to catch up...Lee cancelled another visit? Why do they even bother rescheduling if they know they aren't going to go??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402105,00.html



The family has been calling off planned jail visits with Anthony because the conversations are recorded. Orange County police have in recent weeks released a string of taped talks among family members.

So it's because LE has been releasing the calls??

That's what I thought from the beginning..... LE wanted to make it too uncomfortable for Casey's family to stay in contact with her. If they can isolate her as much as possible & stop letting her feel emboldened by knowing her family is buying her crap.... she's more likely to cut the stupid games.

[Lanie]

frankly I can't see the Trenton Duckett parallels. This mother is safely behind bars and her attorney isn't going to let her near a newsreporter... I see no reason for LE to fear a repeat of the TD case re: the prime suspect committing suicide after being questioned on national TV. Can anyone else explain a logical parallel, beyond the fact that in each a child is missing and a parent is the prime suspect???

Small child missing.
Alleged abduction that doesn't add up.
Mother caught in several lies by LE.
(IMO) Promiscuous behavior uncovered.
Maternal GP's of child at best attempting to rationalize unrational behavior by mother.

MD could probably have been arrested for lying to LE and obstruction of justice, and I say probably because I am not an attorney and not familiar with Florida law, but she wasn't. Casey was. I think that was step one in doing things differently.
Lanie

[DeltaDawn]

If this case was on "Without a Trace" the timeline would be a tree.


The timeline reminds me more of a Kudzu vine !

[impatientredhead]

I've been wondering if Cindy's version of the truth = they weren't really moving out (say, these fights had happened before and Casey and she always made up, etc.), but this time, Casey decided that she was really moving out...and one thing lead to another...and now Caylee's missing...
Thus explaining why Cindy cannot accept that her daughter had "moved out" and would be back with them shortly
?

Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 7:33am on June 4th, 2008
oh, the times we will have!
i can't wait for us to become roomies in another week! seriously...by the end of next week, it will be just us girls. i can't believe it!

It was clearly on the table for Casey.

[ketel0ne]

I've been wondering if Cindy's version of the truth = they weren't really moving out (say, these fights had happened before and Casey and she always made up, etc.), but this time, Casey decided that she was really moving out...and one thing lead to another...and now Caylee's missing...
Thus explaining why Cindy cannot accept that her daughter had "moved out" and would be back with them shortly
?

but based on the description of June 15th and 16th, there was no expectation then of moving out. The trip to Tampa and the mini vacation seemed to come up as excuses as why "they" weren't coming home. IMO those stories surfaced as lies to Cindy after the 16th as did the trip to Jacksonville with Jeff Hopkins.

[jep0216]

How can they determine Caylee's father without a DNA sample from her and a suspected father?

I don't know but the family's comment of "His family says he never knew he was the father" seems like an admission to me. He never knew he was... they are not saying he was not. Again, not knowing and not being are 2 different things.

[OkGrace]

Have only a few minutes on here today, just ran through last thread and wanted to catch up and quick comment.

The psychic comments were hilarious and a laugh I needed, thanks to all.

Regarding TES, yes, I did make the offer for introduction early on and it has never been responded to. I made a second offer that if they would agree to their help that I would personally come to Orlando at my OWN personal expense, no media alerts or bi-lines, and help in the search in whatever capacity Tim felt I could best serve. Again was not responded to..

Just wanted to clear that up. Thanks



I guess I should not be suprised at no response yet maybe they have had so many offers they are sifting through them.
Nothing seems to make sense with this case.

OT on TES, my heroes. I think there is a special place in heaven for you folks.

[Chezhire]

Not saying I buy any of it, but here is where it was from Aug. 1st.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395764,00.html

COLBY: But nevertheless, she lived with Tony in this apartment until she was arrested, but Caylee wasn't there at the time. In fact, from what I understand, June 13 was the last date that the DJ saw Caylee. Did they ever ask, he or Tony, where Caylee was?
WATTS: Yes, on numerous occasions. June 13 -- and they remember the day specifically because it was a Friday, and the Friday was the night that they did their club promotions and the pictures that we've seen. That Friday, Casey -- sorry, Caylee -- Casey had come to the home with Caylee. They played. It was in the afternoon. Casey had left and returned later that evening without Caylee. She had changed her clothes, got ready for the club to go and meet Tony, who was at the club. DJ decided that evening decided to stay home and not to go to the club, so he remembers specifically that it was that night.
And after that evening, Jamie, that was the last time they'd seen Caylee. They kept asking Casey, Where's Caylee? And she would say, She's with my mother, She's with her grandmother, She's with the nanny, She's away on a trip. And they didn't think anything of it. They obviously didn't question her on it because they trusted her word at that point.

I have no way of reconcilling the difference between the Arrest affidavit, where Tony says June 2, and this news cast, wherein they report that "DJ", Tony's roommate, says he is certain that on June 13, Casey had Caylee at their apartment & then left, only to return later without Caylee, BUT what I am focusing on is if Casey dropped Caylee off at GPs house, where Caylee stayed the rest of the weekend, until some time the evening of June 15 or the morning of June 16, when a blowup took place...

thoughts?

[ketel0ne]

I have no way of reconcilling the difference between the Arrest affidavit, where Tony says June 2, and this news cast, wherein they report that "DJ", Tony's roommate, says he is certain that on June 13, Casey had Caylee at their apartment & then left, only to return later without Caylee, BUT what I am focusing on is if Casey dropped Caylee off at GPs house, where Caylee stayed the rest of the weekend, until some time the evening of June 15 or the morning of June 16, when a blowup took place...

thoughts?

I'm right there with ya, and whatever happened did not stand in the way of another Casey appearance at fusian on the 20th.

[Leila]

The bottom line to Casey talking is the DNA evidence. Baez isn't going to let her SAY A WORD until the results are made known.

If they come back positive -- she will probably say it was an accident.

If they come back negative -- she won't say a word and the case will probably never be solved.

There's some real problems here. If LE has forensic lab results that show that Caylee was in the trunk of the car, and that she was deceased, they still don't know how she died. They can't charge Casey with murder unless they know that Caylee's death was intentional, and without a body LE can make that determination.

I think this may be one of the reasons LE has not had a press conference and announced the findings of the forensic testing.

Once they do announce it, Casey's attorney will advise her to maintain silence.

At this juncture, LE may have other leads they are pursuing that will establish evidence to what happened. Only when LE has exhausted all leads, will they make an announcement of the forensic test results.

[Chezhire]

Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 7:33am on June 4th, 2008
oh, the times we will have!
i can't wait for us to become roomies in another week! seriously...by the end of next week, it will be just us girls. i can't believe it!

It was clearly on the table for Casey.

yep. and Cindy either didn't or didn't want to accept it...or said she could go but NO CAYLEE... and we alreayd suspect how Casey and Cindy's power struggles play out...

[DeltaDawn]

I've been wondering if Cindy's version of the truth = they weren't really moving out (say, these fights had happened before and Casey and she always made up, etc.), but this time, Casey decided that she was really moving out...and one thing lead to another...and now Caylee's missing...
Thus explaining why Cindy cannot accept that her daughter had "moved out" and would be back with them shortly
?


I think that at first that is what Cindy believed, but as time went by, depending on when you think something deadly happened to Caylee, then Casey really could not very well come back home without Caylee. I mean what would she say. Which is why we are getting this crasy story now from her....because how could she move back in and say "Oh, by the way Caylee is DEAD?"
So by the time that Casey is found and confronted by the family she has to say Caylee is missing. If Caylee were really missing, Casey would have been back in a heart beat..she would not have tried on her own to find her..she never has done anything on her own..she wouldn't start now. She would have run screaming back to her family you have to help me find Caylee now..she would not have waited a month to do that.

[Chezhire]

but based on the description of June 15th and 16th, there was no expectation then of moving out. The trip to Tampa and the mini vacation seemed to come up as excuses as why "they" weren't coming home. IMO those stories surfaced as lies to Cindy after the 16th as did the trip to Jacksonville with Jeff Hopkins.

Confuscious says : didn't the Tampa trip & the "mini vaca" explanations come out of Cindy's/George's camp - not Casey's?

[TotallyObsessed]

What is everyone's theory on why the visit between George and Casey that lasted 45 minutes has never been released?

[ketel0ne]

Confuscious says : didn't the Tampa trip & the "mini vaca" explanations come out of Cindy's/George's camp - not Casey's?

Since we have only heard about 26 minutes of Casey speech, all since July 15th all information comes from Cindy/George camp.

[SailorMoon]

1. Parent whos friends are single and partying all the time.

2. Parent whose parents have said they are limiting or stopping support.

3. Parent whose parents are tired of being babysitter for party nights and have cut off/limited babysitting.

4. Parent whose parents were enablers.

5. Parent who is the textbook definition of a narcissist.

6. Parent who doesn't seem too concerned that her child is missing.

7. Parent who was all over the place in the days after child goes missing.

8. Parent who tells a story that is questionable at the very least as to how child disappeared.

Oh, in all of the above - in MD's case it would be her GP's in place of parents. I just think that Casey and MD are a lot alike.

frankly I can't see the Trenton Duckett parallels. This mother is safely behind bars and her attorney isn't going to let her near a newsreporter... I see no reason for LE to fear a repeat of the TD case re: the prime suspect committing suicide after being questioned on national TV. Can anyone else explain a logical parallel, beyond the fact that in each a child is missing and a parent is the prime suspect???

[Lanie]

Cindy has stated in multiple inteviews they did not move out, "tampa for work" and "mini vacation" but never moved out.

I have no link to back up my memory, but if I can find time to look it up and make sure I am remembering it right :waitasec:, I'll respond.
Lanie

[impatientredhead]

June 4 Casey's facebook comments to Amy
Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 12:12pm on June 4th, 2008
si!!! good times to be had, from tonight, until, well, forever.
what time do you think you're getting done tonight????

June 17 Casey's Facebook comments to Amy
Casey Anthony wrote
at 3:15pm on June 17th, 2008
cheer up me lady! i love you and can't wait to finally get you moved
To Troy on Facebook

"get you moved in" one day after Caylee is last seen Casey writes like she is moved in and waiting for Amy

Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:40pm on June 24th, 2008
she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven't even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i'll fill ya in later on.
miss ya, yo.
Whereever "the house" they were moving into is Casey hasn't been staying there. Interestingly 9 days earlier puts us back on June 16th, a date that just keeps coming up. Also this post is on the 24th of June at 2:40pm. When did GP say Casey was at the house and he took the gas cans out of the trunk. Do we know the time?

To Troy on Facebook
Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:46pm on June 24th, 2008
I'm still at Ricardo and JPs... hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late... any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?



July 15 Casey's facebook post to Amy
Casey Anthony wrote
at 4:02pm on July 15th, 2008
so glad you're home.
i better not see you online.
life is on hold until tomorrow

Shortly after this post Cindy has Casey in the car

[RR0004]

I went to go post my thoughts about what George said earlier today, not realizing I was on a closed thread. I just wanted to address GP's comments today about the "kidnappers" being watched. I don't care who this comment was meant for or why on earth he'd actually say it, but I think this is very irresponsible on his part. My G-d, would you want to be living in Orlando (or anywhere for that matter because GP never specified the "where") and hearing this? What if these dangerous "kidnappers" were your neighbors? What if this wasn't their first time "stealing" a child? And if you had children, how comfortable would you feel right now if you were living down there?
I know everyone is entitled to free speech, but IMO LE should shut down this kind of talking immediately!! The alternative could always be that THEY actually make a statement to the public to allay any fears. I don't care IF there is some kind of message GP's trying to convey, Casey is just not that important. These kind of statements are made at the expense of the public at large and are just plain wrong!! JMHO

[impatientredhead]

What is everyone's theory on why the visit between George and Casey that lasted 45 minutes has never been released?

Something is discussed that is relevant to the investigation. We are only getting the more irrelevant ones.

[Chezhire]

I'm right there with ya, and whatever happened did not stand in the way of another Casey appearance at fusian on the 20th.

also, on the issue of the 15/16, the tampa trip and then the "mini vaca" trip, and specifically Cindy seeming not to even know that Casey "moving out" could have been eminent: could it be that Casey didn't tell her mother that she was moving out because she knew it would cause another fight because they'd already fought about the issue or idea of her moving out previously? Maybe the fight would have been about either (1) Casey didn't intend to take Caylee with her, meaning she was saddling her parental duties to her parents, which could have upset Cindy/George (though I'm not convinced this would have been the case,) or (2) Casey intended to take Caylee with her, which upset Cindy/George because they had been the parental role models for Caylee and were afraid/were certain Casey wouldn't be able to properly take care of Caylee by herself (which is what I'm leaning towards presently)?

[Lanie]

Cindy has stated in multiple inteviews they did not move out, "tampa for work" and "mini vacation" but never moved out.

Cindy has stated a lot of things in multiple interviews.:crazy: Yet, on the first 911 call, Cindy is trying to have Casey arrested for theft of a car both GP's have referred to repeatedly as Casey's.
This is only my opinion, but I think Casey moved out on the 9th, and was told she wasn't allowed to take the car GP's had paid for, so she went back at some point and stole it.
Lanie

[RR0004]

Confuscious says : didn't the Tampa trip & the "mini vaca" explanations come out of Cindy's/George's camp - not Casey's?
There was also a myspace comment from Casey at the end of June IIRC that states there will be no vacations for her she was sorry to say (in so many words).

[mommya]

Oooh - good catch with the facebook mssg. time. I think GPA said 12:45 or something - when was the flurry of calls? - 3 ish?

[Leila]

This is just speculation on my part, because of things said at the beginning. I think June 9 is when Casey moved out.
Lanie

According to the DJ/best friend/roommate of Tony, Casey met Tony at a party on May 24th. The date of June 9th as a date when Casey moved out of her parent's home and moved in with Tony is a logical date.

[suddenlyobsessed]

According to the DJ friend Caylee and Casey were at Tony's on Friday the 13th during the day. Casey left took Caylee to GPS and came back to Tony's and some of us believe Fusian, I believe Tony did not go to Fusian that night, but I would have to dig up a transcript to be sure.
There is a pic on the web on Casey at Fusian that night FYI let me get u the link...

[Chezhire]

I'm right there with ya, and whatever happened did not stand in the way of another Casey appearance at fusian on the 20th.

sick. pathetic. so so so very sad. cannot imagine. when we finally get to this part of the case - that Casey, as the news ppl say, "has ice in her veins," it makes me shudder. going out after something happens to take your child away from you? only reason for this is was she was trying to pass it off and act "normal" and not have anyone wondering what was up with her or asking too many questions...:(:(:(

[impatientredhead]

also, on the issue of the 15/16, the tampa trip and then the "mini vaca" trip, and specifically Cindy seeming not to even know that Casey "moving out" could have been eminent: could it be that Casey didn't tell her mother that she was moving out because she knew it would cause another fight because they'd already fought about the issue or idea of her moving out previously? Maybe the fight would have been about either (1) Casey didn't intend to take Caylee with her, meaning she was saddling her parental duties to her parents, which could have upset Cindy/George (though I'm not convinced this would have been the case,) or (2) Casey intended to take Caylee with her, which upset Cindy/George because they had been the parental role models for Caylee and were afraid/were certain Casey wouldn't be able to properly take care of Caylee by herself (which is what I'm leaning towards presently)?

Casey having plans to move out and Cindy not knowing about those plans makes sense. Cindy also says on the 911 tapes, during the transfer I think, something about going to court for custody if she wants to play that way. I doubt that is the first time Casey has heard that threat.

[RR0004]

I've been asking why would she put the disappearance at June 9 when it's obviously later than Father's Day June 15 at the visit that was video taped...and the best explanation I've heard yet is that she just got her dates mixed up ...
thoughts?
In some places I still see the June 9th date. There was too much emphasis on the 31 days IMO...but maybe that's just me.

[Chezhire]

1. Parent whos friends are single and partying all the time.

2. Parent whose parents have said they are limiting or stopping support.

3. Parent whose parents are tired of being babysitter for party nights and have cut off/limited babysitting.

4. Parent whose parents were enablers.

5. Parent who is the textbook definition of a narcissist.

6. Parent who doesn't seem too concerned that her child is missing.

7. Parent who was all over the place in the days after child goes missing.

8. Parent who tells a story that is questionable at the very least as to how child disappeared.

Oh, in all of the above - in MD's case it would be her GP's in place of parents. I just think that Casey and MD are a lot alike.

my real question was more to the issue of whether or not this case will end up like the TD case - wherein the trail ended abruptly when the prime suspect MOTHER committed suicide after a national news interview wherein she was unable to answer the hard questions we all want to now ask Casey BUT wait, we cannot as she's already behind bars and lawyered up. :furious::furious:

[housemouse]

The bottom line to Casey talking is the DNA evidence. Baez isn't going to let her SAY A WORD until the results are made known.

If they come back positive -- she will probably say it was an accident.

If they come back negative -- she won't say a word and the case will probably never be solved.

Alas, I worry that you are "absolutely" right.

[suddenlyobsessed]

What is everyone's theory on why the visit between George and Casey that lasted 45 minutes has never been released?

Hey you stole my name! Err..part of it hehe Just playing :crazy:

[RR0004]

I personally don't think she "moved" out I think she just disappeared to stay with TonE from the 9th until the 15th. Packed a few party dresses in a back pack. I'd be willing to bet 95% of her things & Caylee's were still at the Anthony home.
Then she knew she had to produce Caylee for Father's Day (or was she with the GPs?) and a fight ensued about her behavior. GP early on made mention that Casey had been hanging with a bunch of new friends. Maybe there was a drastic change in her behavior. Could be!! Good post!

[impatientredhead]

In some places I still see the June 9th date. There was too much emphasis on the 31 days IMO...but maybe that's just me.

There is video of Caylee on the 15th of June.
The police are called on July 15th, Casey says she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days which puts us back to June 15/16th. That seems relevant to me, I think the 9th was just a mistake on Cindy's part. Same day of the week, just a week later.

[Chezhire]

Casey having plans to move out and Cindy not knowing about those plans makes sense. Cindy also says on the 911 tapes, during the transfer I think, something about going to court for custody if she wants to play that way. I doubt that is the first time Casey has heard that threat.

agreed.

[Sherbie]

My feeling about George and Cindy is that unless/until there is definitive proof (for them, probably Caylee's body being found), their hearts won't let them discount the possibility -- however small -- that she might still be alive. I think that's why George made the comments about the kidnappers. He may think there's some tiny chance she really was kidnapped (even if not by the sitter) or was given away, sold, whatever. So perhaps he thinks if he can make the bad guys believe that their every move is being watched, they would be afraid to harm Caylee and might even release her.

Going that far with it (saying they know who has Caylee and that they're being watched) is more involved than necessary to ensure word gets back to Casey that the family really does still believe her. Makes me think George wants to be sure he's tried every tactic he can think of so long as there's even a whisper of a possibility that Caylee's being held by someone. If she were my grandchild, I might well cling to that one in a million possibility too. So I can't judge too harshly for his comments, ridiculous as they may seem on their face.

I think the GPs are playing both ends against the middle. They are cooperating with LE behind closed doors and at the same time are willing to continue to support Casey, either because there could be some grain of truth in Casey's story or just to get more info from her. Otherwise, they have to go emotionally where no one would want to go -- both in terms of their granddaughter's fate and their own daughter's involvement. As you can see, I'm trying really hard to justify for myself the family's peculiar behavior (which is getting more and more difficult to do). I waffle between being aggravated with them and feeling so heartbroken for them I can barely stand it.

I think Baez has reported back to Casey that the GPs are giving up evidence, talking to LE, giving the big interview to Greta, etc. -- and Casey's just plain pissed about it all, so she "punishes" the family by refusing to see them. Baez knows that wouldn't sound good if made known, so he comes up with a ridiculous excuse as to why she won't see the family.

I think the biggest mistake the family is not having beat the living daylights out of Casey until she spilled the truth...before they called LE into the mix. I think there's a damn good chance Cindy would get it out of her if left alone with her long enough. :eek:

[QuickAttack]

DNA is NOT back yet

There could also be more crime scene investigators taking items from the Anthony home but until the evidence points them in another direction Captain Nieves says the sheriff's office is treating this case is still a missing person case, not a murder case. “As items, as information that’s credible become knows, detectives will continue to respond back…re-interview…speak to same people that spoken to. If they need to, they’ll do additional collections in the coming days or coming weeks that is all part of an investigation that is open and ongoing.”

They still don't have any results back from DNA tests from Casey's car or the Anthony backyard. The FBI still has those DNA samples for testing and the results are not in yet.


More at link: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7191311&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Leila]

I will look for it too because I thought the last date Tony and the DJ saw Caylee was the 2nd of June, which is when the neighbors saw her in the pool.

There is a picture of Casey at Fusian on the 13th, she was definitely there. And then there are the pictures from the 20th, and then all of her comments on myspace are recruiting people for the 27th as well as making arrangements to be there. No pictures I have seen yet that put her there, but no comments about missing it. The 4th there the BarBQ party, and then more posts about going on the 10th, but again no verification that she made it.

Tony said the last time he saw Caylee was on June 2 when she was in the pool at his apartment complex playing with dishes.

The DJ/roommate said he last saw Caylee on June 13th. It was a Friday and he stayed home from Fusian that night.

[RR0004]

There is video of Caylee on the 15th of June.
The police are called on July 15th, Casey says she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days which puts us back to June 15/16th. That seems relevant to me, I think the 9th was just a mistake on Cindy's part. Same day of the week, just a week later.
I know...but ther has to be a reason why it was first reported as the 9th...mix up or no mix up.

[impatientredhead]

Then she knew she had to produce Caylee for Father's Day (or was she with the GPs?) and a fight ensued about her behavior. GP early on made mention that Caysey had been hanging with a bunch of new friends. Maybe there was a drastic change in her behavior. Could be!! Good post!

If she left Caylee at the Anthony's from the 9th to the 15th, Casey may have appeared for Father's Day, a fight about needing to be a mother instead of out partying with her new friends. Casey leaves with Caylee the next morning and no one ever sees her again.

[tamfish]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this:

Casey met Tony on May 24th and was moving in with him on June 9th? Presumably with Caylee in tow?

Who on earth meets someone then moves in with them some 2 weeks later? Much less with a 2-yr old child?????

The more I read the more my mind just boggles. :(

[RR0004]

DNA is NOT back yet

There could also be more crime scene investigators taking items from the Anthony home but until the evidence points them in another direction Captain Nieves says the sheriff's office is treating this case is still a missing person case, not a murder case. “As items, as information that’s credible become knows, detectives will continue to respond back…re-interview…speak to same people that spoken to. If they need to, they’ll do additional collections in the coming days or coming weeks that is all part of an investigation that is open and ongoing.”

They still don't have any results back from DNA tests from Casey's car or the Anthony backyard. The FBI still has those DNA samples for testing and the results are not in yet.


More at link: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7191311&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
I don't know if I buy that...why would Baez request the info then?

[Chezhire]

My feeling about George and Cindy is that unless/until there is definitive proof (for them, probably Caylee's body being found), their hearts won't let them discount the possibility -- however small -- that she might still be alive. I think that's why George made the comments about the kidnappers. He may think there's some tiny chance she really was kidnapped (even if not by the sitter) or was given away, sold, whatever. So perhaps he thinks if he can make the bad guys believe that their every move is being watched, they would be afraid to harm Caylee and might even release her.

Going that far with it (saying they know who has Caylee and that they're being watched) is more involved than necessary to ensure word gets back to Casey that the family really does still believe her. Makes me think George wants to be sure he's tried every tactic he can think of so long as there's even a whisper of a possibility that Caylee's being held by someone. If she were my grandchild, I might well cling to that one in a million possibility too. So I can't judge too harshly for his comments, ridiculous as they may seem on their face.

I think the GPs are playing both ends against the middle. They are cooperating with LE behind closed doors and at the same time are willing to continue to support Casey, either because there could be some grain of truth in Casey's story or just to get more info from her. Otherwise, they have to go emotionally where no one would want to go -- both in terms of their granddaughter's fate and their own daughter's involvement. As you can see, I'm trying really hard to justify for myself the family's peculiar behavior (which is getting more and more difficult to do). I waffle between being aggravated with them and feeling so heartbroken for them I can barely stand it.

I think Baez has reported back to Casey that the GPs are giving up evidence, talking to LE, giving the big interview to Greta, etc. -- and Casey's just plain pissed about it all, so she "punishes" the family by refusing to see them. Baez knows that wouldn't sound good if made known, so he comes up with a ridiculous excuse as to why she won't see the family.

I think the biggest mistake the family is not having beat the living daylights out of Casey until she spilled the truth...before they called LE into the mix. I think there's a damn good chance Cindy would get it out of her if left alone with her long enough. :eek:

have to respectfully disagree with the last point, though I know it ought to work that way. Casey, IMHO, had absolutely zero to litlte respect for her mother, and that's what prompted Cindy to call 911 in the first place, when she didn't sound frantic about Caylee and was really complaining about the theft of the vehicle - she couldn't get it out of Casey. thus the next 911 calls...ending in the frantic one re: caylee...:furious::furious:

[RR0004]

If she left Caylee at the Anthony's from the 9th to the 15th, Casey may have appeared for Father's Day, a fight about needing to be a mother instead of out partying with her new friends. Casey leaves with Caylee the next morning and no one ever sees her again.
I really like that!

[RR0004]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this:

Casey met Tony on May 24th and was moving in with him on June 9th? Presumably with Caylee in tow?

Who on earth meets someone then moves in with them some 2 weeks later? Much less with a 2-yr old child?????

The more I read the more my mind just boggles. :(
I think he was her ticket out.

[TCMom]

I don't really understand this paragraph about Tony from this article on WESH.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17113783/detail.html

"Tony Lazzarro, Casey's boyfriend at the time of Caylee's disapperance told investigators he never saw Caylee, never heard Casey talk about searching for her daughter and said Casey was not in a panic. Lazzarro said Tuesday he will not discuss his conversation with investigators nor his interaction with Casey."

Is he denying that he EVER saw Caylee? Doesn't that conflict with his statement that he saw her on June 2nd? WESH doesn't make that clear.

[impatientredhead]

I don't know if I buy that...why would Baez request the info then?

They have sent out more than one batch of stuff. They can honestly say they are waiting on DNA results without having to say they do have the initial tests results back from the trunk. Those were "due" approximately the day before the search warrant was issued.

[housemouse]

I'm feeling Caylee wasn't dumped on the GPs, but rather it was that when Casey wanted to pick her up to leave with her the GPs got upset about it and didn't want Casey taking Caylee out of their home b/c they were afraid and/or knew Casey couldn't handle being a mother all on her own without a job, etc., and would be dragging little Caylee all over gosh knows where... so I'm entertaining the idea of a blow out between June 15-16, which somehow ended in Caylee's disappearance, which could have been with or without GPs knowledge... though I'm leaning towards GPs not really knowing what happened...:(:confused:

I think the blowup started on the 15th, continued over to the 16th, and that whatever happened to Caylee happened later, like very late on the 17th, or very early on the 18th. But, that is just my humble opinion.

[JBean]

I know...but ther has to be a reason why it was first reported as the 9th...mix up or no mix up.
The really odd part about the 9th is that both Casey AND Cindy miscalculated separately.
Per the police report, Casey said she dropped Caylee off on the 9th at the apt complex.
But she also says she hasn't seen her in 31 days. Date mistake...no problem, I am ok with that.

Cindy said she last saw Caylee on the 9th and then corrected herself to the 15th. She gave a very reaonable explanation at the bond hearing and I have no problem with that.

But what I have a problem with is that they BOTH made the same exact mistake seemingly independent of one another.
odd yes?

[impatientredhead]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this:

Casey met Tony on May 24th and was moving in with him on June 9th? Presumably with Caylee in tow?

Who on earth meets someone then moves in with them some 2 weeks later? Much less with a 2-yr old child?????

The more I read the more my mind just boggles. :(

I think this happens way more often than one might think.

[Chezhire]

I don't know if I buy that...why would Baez request the info then?

Maybe he wants to get it at the same time, no ambushing, etc...?

[Lanie]

Here's one link, anyway, but not what I was looking for.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

On page 6 of the affidavit, it states AL claims defendent had lived with her (him?) since June 9.
This could be a mixup since they were all going by that date at that time.
Lanie

[impatientredhead]

The really odd part about the 9th is that both Casey AND Cindy miscalculated separately.
Per the police report, Casey said she dropped Caylee off on the 9th at the apt complex.
But she also says she hasn't seen her in 31 days. Date mistake...no problem, I am ok with that.

Cindy said she last saw Caylee on the 9th and then corrected herself to the 15th. She gave a very reaonable explanation at the bond hearing and I have no problem with that.

But what I have a problem with is that they BOTH made the same exact mistake seemingly independent of one another.
odd yes?


That is a good point. Maybe on the 15th when Cindy is making that frantic third call Cindy had already miscalculated and said "You haven't seen her since June 9th!?!?" The police arrive and Casey says the same date?

[Chezhire]

The really odd part about the 9th is that both Casey AND Cindy miscalculated separately.
Per the police report, Casey said she dropped Caylee off on the 9th at the apt complex.
But she also says she hasn't seen her in 31 days. Date mistake...no problem, I am ok with that.

Cindy said she last saw Caylee on the 9th and then corrected herself to the 15th. She gave a very reaonable explanation at the bond hearing and I have no problem with that.

But what I have a problem with is that they BOTH made the same exact mistake seemingly independent of one another.
odd yes?


sounds premeditated IMHO...but then again, these kinds of things are possible...

[RR0004]

They have sent out more than one batch of stuff. They can honestly say they are waiting on DNA results without having to say they do have the initial tests results back from the trunk. Those were "due" approximately the day before the search warrant was issued.
They can do a DNA match in days. Now that I think of it, because no charges were filed in relation to a homicide having occurred, they wouldn't necessarily have to produce what evidence they have now unless Baez can show it does have bearing on the present charges. Hmmmmm!

[swa]

They can do a DNA match in days. Now that I think of it, because no charges were filed in relation to a homicide having occurred, they wouldn't necessarily have to produce what evidence they have now unless Baez can show it does have bearing on the present charges. Hmmmmm!

The more time that passes with no information on a DNA match -- makes be believe they couldn't get a match.

Baez wants the information so he can either tell Casey the gig is up and plea -- or to tell her to keep being quiet.

[RR0004]

That is a good point. Maybe on the 15th when Cindy is making that frantic third call Cindy had already miscalculated and said "You haven't seen her since June 9th!?!?" The police arrive and Casey says the same date?
Yeah, I thought of that to...but there's just something odd with the 9th...always has been and probably always will be. They also both stuck to it for days. Would probably still stick with it if it hadn't been for the tape. Still don't know if LE confirmed the video was taken on the 15th.

[OkGrace]

[QUOTE=Sherbie;2489993]My feeling about George and Cindy is that unless/until there is definitive proof (for them, probably Caylee's body being found), their hearts won't let them discount the possibility -- however small -- that she might still be alive. I think that's why George made the comments about the kidnappers. He may think there's some tiny chance she really was kidnapped (even if not by the sitter) or was given away, sold, whatever. So perhaps he thinks if he can make the bad guys believe that their every move is being watched, they would be afraid to harm Caylee and might even release her.

Snipped part for length.

I agree with you, who would want to wrap thier mind around the fact that she is most likely gone.

[JBean]

That is a good point. Maybe on the 15th when Cindy is making that frantic third call Cindy had already miscalculated and said "You haven't seen her since June 9th!?!?" The police arrive and Casey says the same date?
Cindy is asked at the bond hearing if their dates came from one another and Cindy says no IIRC.

[RR0004]

Here's one link, anyway, but not what I was looking for.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

On page 6 of the affidavit, it states AL claims defendent had lived with her (him?) since June 9.
This could be a mixup since they were all going by that date at that time.
Lanie
So there's a third person who is mixed up? I think there's more to that date.

[Chezhire]

Yeah, I thought of that to...but there's just something odd with the 9th...always has been and probably always will be. They also both stuck to it for days. Would probably still stick with it if it hadn't been for the tape. Still don't know if LE confirmed the video was taken on the 15th.

how about the possibility of Casey and Cindy having a fight that day, too (sounds like they argued often) and both, knowing that Caylee disappeared after an argument they had, got the date wrong for that reason?

[Chezhire]

So there's a third person who is mixed up? I think there's more to that date.

Al refers to Tony's legal name, Anthony Lazarro

[murdershewrote]

I've always thought that was rather odd that Tony would let Casey move in so quickly, especially with a 3 year old child. Most guys his age, and still partying like he does, wouldn't want to take that on and cramp his style. I wonder if little Caylee was even potty trained yet?

[Hisimage]

Regarding the Casey and Cindy possible arguments , I think this is just what happened.
I think that Cindy saw where Casey was headed. She began to have her feelings about what excatly was happeining while Caylee was at "the sitters". I in my heart think she was well on her way to trying to get custody and Casey knew.

I believe that she confronted Casey about all of this. She may have even offered to keep Caylee while Casey moved out and did her thing. Casey would like at that as more of an insult than her parents refusal to help her. (what?, admit I am a terrible mother by giving you my daughter?)

In the phone call when Cindy does not Know she is being taped, she says something about I will go right down to ... then the words inaudible " are printed on the screen. I think she was saying child protective services. I think it was all set in motion and they all know it.

Now, why are GPs not giving all the truth? Why set Casey off even more? Stay on her good side. Get the info from her. this is all MOO

[RR0004]

[QUOTE=Sherbie;2489993]My feeling about George and Cindy is that unless/until there is definitive proof (for them, probably Caylee's body being found), their hearts won't let them discount the possibility -- however small -- that she might still be alive. I think that's why George made the comments about the kidnappers. He may think there's some tiny chance she really was kidnapped (even if not by the sitter) or was given away, sold, whatever. So perhaps he thinks if he can make the bad guys believe that their every move is being watched, they would be afraid to harm Caylee and might even release her.

Snipped part for length.

I agree with you, who would want to wrap thier mind around the fact that she is most likely gone.
I'll state what I said earlier, they are only one family in Florida. To come out and say there are "kidnappers" at large is not responsible! If I was a resident of Florida, I would be calling the sheriff's department and asking if there was information to confirm this and should they be taking precautions...because they heard there were dangerous people "somewhere" in the state and should they be concerned for their own children's safety. JMHO

[txsvicki]

Yeah, I thought of that to...but there's just something odd with the 9th...always has been and probably always will be. They also both stuck to it for days. Would probably still stick with it if it hadn't been for the tape. Still don't know if LE confirmed the video was taken on the 15th.


It really is odd and it's the date that Cindy first came up with I think. Casey couldn't have been looking for Caylee very hard if she didn't even have the date straight. How could she go back and investigate or look for anyone if she doesn't even know the right date her daughter was stolen.

[Chezhire]

I've always thought that was rather odd that Tony would let Casey move in so quickly, especially with a 3 year old child. Most guys his age, and still partying like he does, wouldn't want to take that on and cramp his style. I wonder if little Caylee was even potty trained yet?

well, maybe they weren't moving in in Tony's eyes, but his girlfriend was staying with im most, if not all, evenings, saying that "the nanny" had Caylee so she could stay out with him, and she'd bring Caylee over to visit every-so-often..?? (course, Casey could very well have fantasized about living with Tony, i.e., her perceived reality...)

[Muzikman]

Watching the local Fox news and caught this that I hadn't heard before: They saw a local "Spiritulaist" or psychic, Cindy Smith, coming out of the Anthony home a couple weeks ago. They just did a short on-camera interview with her, she went in to touch some of Caylees things to get a reading.

[Sherbie]

have to respectfully disagree with the last point, though I know it ought to work that way. Casey, IMHO, had absolutely zero to litlte respect for her mother, and that's what prompted Cindy to call 911 in the first place, when she didn't sound frantic about Caylee and was really complaining about the theft of the vehicle - she couldn't get it out of Casey. thus the next 911 calls...ending in the frantic one re: caylee...:furious::furious:

Oh, I agree completely, Chezhire...was just kidding with that comment. More wishful thinking than anything. ;)

[Hisimage]

To add to my thoughts, triggered by the rest of yours :D I think George may believe Caylee is kidnapped because :
Casey tells them (in her words) shes in big trouble, witnessed something awful, had to participate , thus the awful smell and will get Caylee back when she pays the money to the people who are holding caylee ransom. ( Not that I think this is true)

Agaian... MOO

[RR0004]

how about the possibility of Casey and Cindy having a fight that day, too (sounds like they argued often) and both, knowing that Caylee disappeared after an argument they had, got the date wrong for that reason?
Could be...I think the real blow-up could have been that weekend or the weekend after...depends on what LE confirms. I'd still like to know the Anthony's timeline for the 15th. Why didn't they all go to visit GGP?

[chrisg]

Casey having plans to move out and Cindy not knowing about those plans makes sense. Cindy also says on the 911 tapes, during the transfer I think, something about going to court for custody if she wants to play that way. I doubt that is the first time Casey has heard that threat.

Does anyone remember if--when Cindy was recalling her 50th birthday that was in early June on GVS--she said that she and George went on vacation the week prior to 6/9? I know she said she had the week off but if they also went away, I envision this scenario:

In late May, Casey 'borrows' $$ from her mother to get a place w/ Amy beginning in June knowing her parents will be away and she can somewhat 'move' w/out telling them. When they come back, however, they discover the missing $$ and put their foot down although Casey figured she could just manipulate them into continuing to pay the rent. This is the drama that went on that causes Casey to be back home that week (from the 9th through the 15th) arguing w/ her parents over it right up until the date of Caylee's 'disappearance' on the 16th.

This fits w/ the posts about DRAMMMA and her alluding to not living at the place and Amy's eventual post about wondering how to get her forwarded mail back--when they have to give up the place if the Anthony's refused to continue to pay Casey's half of the rent.

Casey may have desperately wanted to get away from her parents but continue to have them 'babysit' Caylee whenever she wanted. When they nixed that idea, I wonder if she began thinking that if she didn't have Caylee she could just move in w/ Tony, he'd pay the rent and she'd be free of the obligation of Caylee w/out having to live under her parents rules--which probably also included Casey not essentially living w/ a guy while leaving Caylee w/ them.

And another parental rule may very well have been to give them custody of Caylee if she wanted to live the life of a single girl w/ roomates or w/ a boyfriend. Given these options, Casey may have felt trapped and resentful toward her parents and Caylee. Just thinking out loud...

[RR0004]

It really is odd and it's the date that Cindy first came up with I think. Casey couldn't have been looking for Caylee very hard if she didn't even have the date straight. How could she go back and investigate or look for anyone if she doesn't even know the right date her daughter was stolen.
Absolutely right! I sure do hope LE reads here.

[liltigress]

I think there is some significance to June 9th also. I wondered if Casey did move out that day, without Caylee, while planning on moving in together with Amy. She could have left Caylee with Cindy and a week later, Cindy finally told her to basically chit or get off the pot, start being a mother instead of the party girl.

I also think the family wasn't fond of Casey's new boyfriend, not because he is a bad person, but possibly because Casey started putting Caylee last since he was such an important part of the club scene that she wanted to be in. Fame and all, ya know. *sarcasm inserted here*

But what I think everyone is stepping around is June 15/16. I am almost certain there was an argument, as stated by the neighbor, between Cindy and Casey. Something happened at the Anthony's house that day to Caylee after Cindy and George went to work, IMO. Casey didn't take Caylee's favorite teddy bear or her toys and clothes because there was no Caylee. From that day on, Casey made excuse after excuse for why Cindy couldn't see Caylee.

[Chezhire]

To add to my thoughts, triggered by the rest of yours :D I think George may believe Caylee is kidnapped because :
Casey tells them (in her words) shes in big trouble, witnessed something awful, had to participate , thus the awful smell and will get Caylee back when she pays the money to the people who are holding caylee ransom. ( Not that I think this is true)

Agaian... MOO

I could buy this for why George seems to believe what Casey's telling him...and if so, we have to hope he's been 100% truthful to LE and isn't incriminating himself...he's got enough to worry about as it is. :(

[RR0004]

To add to my thoughts, triggered by the rest of yours :D I think George may believe Caylee is kidnapped because :
Casey tells them (in her words) shes in big trouble, witnessed something awful, had to participate , thus the awful smell and will get Caylee back when she pays the money to the people who are holding caylee ransom. ( Not that I think this is true)

Agaian... MOO
Yes, that very well may be true and I feel for him, but you still don't make an inflammatory comment about kidnappers being on the loose. That's not fair to the general public. So we should all be truly caught up in the Anthony's nightmare? No, he really should not be making those kind of comments. PERIOD!

[RR0004]

I think there is some significance to June 9th also. I wondered if Casey did move out that day, without Caylee, while planning on moving in together with Amy. She could have left Caylee with Cindy and a week later, Cindy finally told her to basically chit or get off the pot, start being a mother instead of the party girl.

I also think the family wasn't fond of Casey's new boyfriend, not because he is a bad person, but possibly because Casey started putting Caylee last since he was such an important part of the club scene that she wanted to be in. Fame and all, ya know. *sarcasm inserted here*

But what I think everyone is stepping around is June 15/16. I am almost certain there was an argument, as stated by the neighbor, between Cindy and Casey. Something happened at the Anthony's house that day to Caylee after Cindy and George went to work, IMO. Casey didn't take Caylee's favorite teddy bear or her toys and clothes because there was no Caylee. From that day on, Casey made excuse after excuse for why Cindy couldn't see Caylee.
That goes more with the timeline i have in mind...except still not sure about the TOD (and I hate even typing that).

[Chezhire]

Could be...I think the real blow-up could have been that weekend or the weekend after...depends on what LE confirms. I'd still like to know the Anthony's timeline for the 15th. Why didn't they all go to visit GGP?

Agreed: re the real blowup that resulted in Cayleee disappearing.
Has anyone seen confirmation, other than the claims Casey was missing herself for days, that Casey WASN'T visiting GGP? I knwo she's not in the video, and I know Cindy claims Casey had been missing herself at the time the 911 call was made, but that was days later... has anyone seena nything else to confirm/prove Casey didn't go to visit GGP?

[impatientredhead]

I think there is some significance to June 9th also. I wondered if Casey did move out that day, without Caylee, while planning on moving in together with Amy. She could have left Caylee with Cindy and a week later, Cindy finally told her to basically chit or get off the pot, start being a mother instead of the party girl.

I also think the family wasn't fond of Casey's new boyfriend, not because he is a bad person, but possibly because Casey started putting Caylee last since he was such an important part of the club scene that she wanted to be in. Fame and all, ya know. *sarcasm inserted here*

But what I think everyone is stepping around is June 15/16. I am almost certain there was an argument, as stated by the neighbor, between Cindy and Casey. Something happened at the Anthony's house that day to Caylee after Cindy and George went to work, IMO. Casey didn't take Caylee's favorite teddy bear or her toys and clothes because there was no Caylee. From that day on, Casey made excuse after excuse for why Cindy couldn't see Caylee.

The police report says that Tony said Casey moved in with Amy on the 9th. I think Casey was out of the house the 9-15th, Caylee was with GPs, Casey reappears on Father's Day, they fight, and Casey leaves with Caylee who does not fit into her new life at all.

[Jolynna]

I've always thought that was rather odd that Tony would let Casey move in so quickly, especially with a 3 year old child. Most guys his age, and still partying like he does, wouldn't want to take that on and cramp his style. I wonder if little Caylee was even potty trained yet?

Is there evidence Caylee moved in with Anthony L.?

Casey may have brought Caylee over while Cindy was at work and she had no other choice. But, I don't think Anthony was interested in an instant family or that Casey would have taken a chance on *losing* her hot new prospect. Three year olds don't add romance when you are trying to make a relationship bloom.

I think Caylee was left with grandma and grandpa so Casey could cook, clean and catch Anthony without distractions.

I don't think Cindy or George minded watching Caylee. But, they probably thought if Casey was gone night after night (catching Anthony) that Casey was being an irresponsible mother. They probably said so.

Which may have led to Casey stamping off with Caylee and all of the rest.

[impatientredhead]

Agreed: re the real blowup that resulted in Cayleee disappearing.
Has anyone seen confirmation, other than the claims Casey was missing herself for days, that Casey WASN'T visiting GGP? I knwo she's not in the video, and I know Cindy claims Casey had been missing herself at the time the 911 call was made, but that was days later... has anyone seena nything else to confirm/prove Casey didn't go to visit GGP?

The nursing home has a sign in book that the police used to verify Cindy's date of her visit. If Casey was there I think they would know. The neighbor place Casey at the Anthony home the weekend of FD.

[logic13]

The police report says that Tony said Casey moved in with Amy on the 9th. I think Casey was out of the house the 9-15th, Caylee was with GPs, Casey reappears on Father's Day, they fight, and Casey leaves with Caylee who does not fit into her new life at all.

I don't understand why everyone keeps refering to "HER NEW LIFE" ? It appears no one really knew what Casey was up to.. where she worked etc..

How do we know she wasn't out partying all the time?
:waitasec::waitasec:

[chrisg]

The police report says that Tony said Casey moved in with Amy on the 9th. I think Casey was out of the house the 9-15th, Caylee was with GPs, Casey reappears on Father's Day, they fight, and Casey leaves with Caylee who does not fit into her new life at all.

The 9th is an odd day to move, though, isn't it when people almost always move at the beginning of the month?

[fixingtoburst]

Could not Casey be sharing information with her lawyer, which would be protected by client/attorney priveledge and under his authorization he is sharing that information with Casey's parents?

[Chezhire]

Is there evidence Caylee moved in with Anthony L.?

Casey may have brought Caylee over while Cindy was at work and she had no other choice. But, I don't think Anthony was interested in an instant family or that Casey would have taken a chance on *losing* her hot new prospect.

I think Caylee was left with grandma and grandpa so Casey could cook, clean and catch Anthony without distractions.

I don't think Cindy or George minded watching Caylee. But, they probably thought if Casey was gone night after night (catching Anthony) that Casey was being an irresponsible mother. They probably said so.

Which may have led to Casey stamping off with Caylee and all of the rest.

outside of all of the specific details, seems a lot of WSers are in this same boat right now on the WHY...

[fixingtoburst]

The 9th is an odd day to move, though, isn't it when people almost always move at the beginning of the month?

Most places just prorate the rent.

[Chezhire]

The nursing home has a sign in book that the police used to verify Cindy's date of her visit. If Casey was there I think they would know. The neighbor place Casey at the Anthony home the weekend of FD.

we already know that the nursing home had a sign in booK? how did I miss this???

[Hisimage]

I agree George should not be spouting his mouth. But this is a guy or may honestly believe his daughter is telling the truth. If that is the case, those of us who are parents know what happens when people attack, verbally, physically or emotionally our children... We become bears, ready to attack back. So:

To those who are badmouthing his daughter: I'll show you..
To those who have his grand daughter, your fooling nobody, and I will get to you.

MOO

[liltigress]

The police report says that Tony said Casey moved in with Amy on the 9th. I think Casey was out of the house the 9-15th, Caylee was with GPs, Casey reappears on Father's Day, they fight, and Casey leaves with Caylee who does not fit into her new life at all.

Close... Cindy says she heard them through the door on the morning of the 16th just before leaving for work. So where did Caylee disappear to on the 16th after George seeing them with backpacks in tow? So far from what we've heard, there has not been anyone who can vouch that Caylee was seen after that.

[DianeB]

DNA is NOT back yet

There could also be more crime scene investigators taking items from the Anthony home but until the evidence points them in another direction Captain Nieves says the sheriff's office is treating this case is still a missing person case, not a murder case. “As items, as information that’s credible become knows, detectives will continue to respond back…re-interview…speak to same people that spoken to. If they need to, they’ll do additional collections in the coming days or coming weeks that is all part of an investigation that is open and ongoing.”

They still don't have any results back from DNA tests from Casey's car or the Anthony backyard. The FBI still has those DNA samples for testing and the results are not in yet.

More at link: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7191311&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

From the article at that link:

Now, Casey is in protective custody at the jail. She has no other contact with other inmates and is isolated to a cell with a clear plexi-glass material over the door so she can see out.

She's like an animal at the zoo behind that plexiglass. I'm sure plenty of jail employees have stopped by to take a look at the celebrity prisoner.

Not to be too vindictive, but I hope she's beside herself that her second bond reduction attempt was shot down.

Casey is still in that cell because she won't talk. How bad must her story be for her to remain silent?

[Chezhire]

The 9th is an odd day to move, though, isn't it when people almost always move at the beginning of the month?

...not if Amy's old roomate (Ricardo) was moving out and Casey was simply moving in to take his place... then again, why would Casey be talking about getting Amy moved in in the myspace comments...

[Chezhire]

Could not Casey be sharing information with her lawyer, which would be protected by client/attorney priveledge and under his authorization he is sharing that information with Casey's parents?

once he says anything re: what Casey tells him, it's no longer protected by the AC privilege and once you waive that privilege, you've waived it and there's no turning back, so to speak - so I rather doubt that.

[chrisg]

Most places just prorate the rent.

I live in NYC and have friends moving in and out of apts all the time and have never heard of a landlord prorating the rent to a time that's convenient for you to move in. If it's not the first of the month, its usually the middle of the month. And although she could have been paying for the whole month and just moved the 9th, I'm wondering if she didn't 'move' closer to the beginning of the month when her mother was on vacation and George and Cindy may have been away.

[impatientredhead]

...not if Amy's old roomate (Ricardo) was moving out and Casey was simply moving in to take his place... then again, why would Casey be talking about getting Amy moved in in the myspace comments...

I caught that too, what she told Tony does not jive with her myspace comments.

[housemouse]

So there's a third person who is mixed up? I think there's more to that date.

Hmmm. should I do a chart for June 9th?

[liltigress]

we already know that the nursing home had a sign in booK? how did I miss this???

This wasn't missed. It was discussed wayyyy back.. lol.

LE brought this up to Cindy and Cindy threatened to stop cooperating with LE if they went to the nursing home and bothered her father. Interesting isn't it?

[chrisg]

Could not Casey be sharing information with her lawyer, which would be protected by client/attorney priveledge and under his authorization he is sharing that information with Casey's parents?

Yes. Definitely.

[Chezhire]

Close... Cindy says she heard them through the door on the morning of the 16th just before leaving for work. So where did Caylee disappear to on the 16th after George seeing them with backpacks in tow? So far from what we've heard, there has not been anyone who can vouch that Caylee was seen after that.

following up on this Q - how did they LEAVE the ANthony home that date? if we start working backwards in time, with CIndy saying that she wanted her DD arrested for theft of the car, it doesn't sound like Casey had permission to take her parents' car...so maybe she took it w/o permission OR SOMEONE ELSE PICKED THEM UP...thus the LE suspions on a 3rd party involvement... (all assuming that Caylee left still alive...which I pray to be the case)

thoughts?

[Hisimage]

I caught that too, what she told Tony does not jive with her myspace comments.

Oh wow, where were they going to move in together at? "The nanny" went looking at apartments. Was she paid by "someone" to check them out for her?

[SweetDreamOfYou]

I live in NYC and have friends moving in and out of apts all the time and have never heard of a landlord prorating the rent to a time that's convenient for you to move in. If it's not the first of the month, its usually the middle of the month. And although she could have been paying for the whole month and just moved the 9th, I'm wondering if she didn't 'move' closer to the beginning of the month when her mother was on vacation and George and Cindy may have been away.
its been my experience landlords do prorate. so i guess it depends where u live maybe or had badly they need tennents

[chrisg]

once he says anything re: what Casey tells him, it's no longer protected by the AC privilege and once you waive that privilege, you've waived it and there's no turning back, so to speak - so I rather doubt that.

That's not my understanding. And I'm an attorney.

[Chezhire]

Oh wow, where were they going to move in together at? "The nanny" went looking at apartments. Was she paid by "someone" to check them out for her?

needed that laugh - this whole thing leaves such a weght on my chest.
thanks

[Chezhire]

That's not my understanding. And I'm an attorney.

I hear you - and so we'lll have to agree to disagree. :)

[Beagle1]

Hmmm. should I do a chart for June 9th?

I just checked in here and saw that you are looking at the week prior to last seen on the 16th. I had gotten the impression that Casey had been in and out of Amy's and Tony's that week.

I don't have the written reference, but the former DJ from Fusian called into one of the talk shows and stated that he had seen and played with Caylee at Tony's apartment on 13th before Casey and she left. Casey returned and they went to Fusian that night. He said that he has not seen Caylee since.

Just something you might could look up.

[QuickAttack]

following up on this Q - how did they LEAVE the ANthony home that date? if we start working backwards in time, with CIndy saying that she wanted her DD arrested for theft of the car, it doesn't sound like Casey had permission to take her parents' car...so maybe she took it w/o permission OR SOMEONE ELSE PICKED THEM UP...thus the LE suspions on a 3rd party involvement... (all assuming that Caylee left still alive...which I pray to be the case)

thoughts?

The car is 10 years old. I'd bet that it was bought for her when she was in high school, and has remained in her parents' name.

It's probably her car, in that her parents gave it to her, and she drove it all the time, but it was also leverage to be used against her by her parents. "Don't you leave in MY car..." even though she had had possession of it since high school.

[liltigress]

following up on this Q - how did they LEAVE the ANthony home that date? if we start working backwards in time, with CIndy saying that she wanted her DD arrested for theft of the car, it doesn't sound like Casey had permission to take her parents' car...so maybe she took it w/o permission OR SOMEONE ELSE PICKED THEM UP...thus the LE suspions on a 3rd party involvement... (all assuming that Caylee left still alive...which I pray to be the case)

thoughts?

Yeah, I think Cindy was bluffing. Casey couldn't produce Caylee so Cindy just wanted to bully her around. I don't think for a minute that Casey stole the car.

I know the smell of death in that car was the turning factor. At the point of Cindy calling 911 saying that the car and money was stolen, she didn't know Caylee was "missing" so she was pushing Casey to give her answers. She just didn't realize the can of worms she opened.

[Jolynna]

The 9th is an odd day to move, though, isn't it when people almost always move at the beginning of the month?

From her myspace comments, Casey and Amy had a move in together plan.

But, Casey's moving in with Anthony was probably of the more informal kind. She started spending the night because he let her.

You know, the guest who never leaves.

Rent and all probably was never discussed. It is not like paying rent or for food had been a part of her life up to that point.

MOO

[Chezhire]

Yeah, I think Cindy was bluffing. Casey couldn't produce Caylee so Cindy just wanted to bully her around. I don't think for a minute that Casey stole the car.

I know the smell of death in that car was the turning factor. At the point of Cindy calling 911 saying that the car and money was stolen, she didn't know Caylee was "missing" so she was pushing Casey to give her answers. She just didn't realize the can of worms she opened.

which brings up another Q I've never gotten anyone to help me with: if Cindy had already smelled the "dead body" in the car before she found Casey per Amy's help, and then she went to get Casey, so she knows Casey is alove and she's not the "dead body", then whose dead body did she think it was? I ask because she's still so calm whenmaking the first 911 call, and everyone speculates that she didn't really think anything bad had happened to Caylee at that point in time... thoughts?

[liltigress]

That's not my understanding. And I'm an attorney.

How close is it for me to think that Baez has never asked Casey specifically if she did something to Caylee?

As long as he doesn't hear any different from her mouth, then he will continue to defend her, correct?

[impatientredhead]

How close is it for me to think that Baez has never asked Casey specifically if she did something to Caylee?

As long as he doesn't hear any different from her mouth, then he will continue to defend her, correct?

He could still defend her if she did say she did it, but it would hinder him as he can not introduce to the court that he knows to be false. Such as her entire story from the last time Caylee is seen. So he would not want her to tell him.

[liltigress]

which brings up another Q I've never gotten anyone to help me with: if Cindy had already smelled the "dead body" in the car before she found Casey per Amy's help, and then she went to get Casey, so she knows Casey is alove and she's not the "dead body", then whose dead body did she think it was? I ask because she's still so calm whenmaking the first 911 call, and everyone speculates that she didn't really think anything bad had happened to Caylee at that point in time... thoughts?

As a mother and grandmother, there is no way anyone could convince me that my daughter could kill my grandson. I really don't think her heart would let her accept that as a possibility until after Casey told her that Caylee was missing. That had to be like a bomb going off in her head. THAT is the point when she said on the last 911 call "Something is wrong"... etc...

[housemouse]

I just checked in here and saw that you are looking at the week prior to last seen on the 16th. I had gotten the impression that Casey had been in and out of Amy's and Tony's that week.

I don't have the written reference, but the former DJ from Fusian called into one of the talk shows and stated that he had seen and played with Caylee at Tony's apartment on 13th before Casey and she left. Casey returned and they went to Fusian that night. He said that he has not seen Caylee since.

Just something you might could look up.

So many charts to chase, and not enough time! I truly wish I could pin down the last date that Caylee was seen.

I thought I had it with George's statement that he had seen Caylee last at 12:50 PM on the 16th. But, now that Cindy is messing up that by saying that Great Grannie heard her in a phone call after that, I can't feel confident about using the 16th chart as the accurate one.

Without an accurate date/time/place, I can't do much but look at Casey's noon chart, which leads me to late night Jun 17th/ wee hours June 18th.

All that said, every indication from chart analysis is that Caylee is no longer with us, and that Casey had a nasty temper outburst/impulsive violence at about that time.

I am weeping as I keyboard this, for I do so want to be WRONG!

[BostonSu]

THAT is the point when she said on the last 911 call "Something is wrong"... etc...

I completely agree. When she made the "dead' comment, it still hadn't really hit her. You can almost hear something click in her head, listening as her voice changes.

[Chezhire]

see you all later tonight.

[impatientredhead]

which brings up another Q I've never gotten anyone to help me with: if Cindy had already smelled the "dead body" in the car before she found Casey per Amy's help, and then she went to get Casey, so she knows Casey is alove and she's not the "dead body", then whose dead body did she think it was? I ask because she's still so calm whenmaking the first 911 call, and everyone speculates that she didn't really think anything bad had happened to Caylee at that point in time... thoughts?

My thoughts are that the car smelled of death but not like it was pouring out the vehicle (the police did not mention that night or impound the car). I think she was in flatout denial. Her wheels were spinning about the lies she had caught Casey in since getting the impound notice, she has decided she is seeing Caylee TONIGHT even if she has to go to the police station, call again from home, and have Lee help her get the info. She mentions the smell in the third call because she is emotional and vulnerable at that moment knowing Caylee is really gone and it clicks "and the car smells like a dead body".

[liltigress]

I completely agree. When she made the "dead' comment, it still hadn't really hit her. You can almost hear something click in her head, listening as her voice changes.

Yep, there's no doubt in my mind that the last 911 call was true emotion and fear.

[chrisg]

How close is it for me to think that Baez has never asked Casey specifically if she did something to Caylee?

As long as he doesn't hear any different from her mouth, then he will continue to defend her, correct?

If she wants to plead not guilty she shouldn't confess to him although the confession would also be protected by privilege.

[RR0004]

Al refers to Tony's legal name, Anthony Lazarro
I know who he is...thanks!

[kcsmom76]

As a mother and grandmother, there is no way anyone could convince me that my daughter could kill my grandson. I really don't think her heart would let her accept that as a possibility until after Casey told her that Caylee was missing. That had to be like a bomb going off in her head. THAT is the point when she said on the last 911 call "Something is wrong"... etc...

I'm a mother of young kids, but I don't think I would EVER be able to think my kids could do something like this either.

I think Cindy just wanted Caylee back at that moment and could care less what the smell was. When the "light" finally went off in her head that Casey didn't have a clue about Caylee's whereabouts, that's when the smell came back to her and she called for the third time.

[wishingtree]

I noticed that wesh.com just updated a few minutes ago and touched on few things that we have discussed today. An insider in the investigation said they are considering bringing additional charges against Casey to try to get her to talk (good luck with that). Specifically mentioned is the possibility of charging Casey for the theft of $700 from Amy, credit card fraud for the charges she made on Cindy's card, and additional charges for making false statement to LE. The full story is at:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17113783/detail.html

[liltigress]

If she wants to plead not guilty she shouldn't confess to him although the confession would also be protected by privilege.

Thanks... Baez has just been very quiet lately, though I don't feel Casey will ever admit her guilt to anyone.

Now all we can do is hurry up and wait. :bang:

[MysteryAddict]

Hmmm. should I do a chart for June 9th?

If I had your software I couldn't resist! LOL

[RR0004]

Is there evidence Caylee moved in with Anthony L.?

Casey may have brought Caylee over while Cindy was at work and she had no other choice. But, I don't think Anthony was interested in an instant family or that Casey would have taken a chance on *losing* her hot new prospect. Three year olds don't add romance when you are trying to make a relationship bloom.

I think Caylee was left with grandma and grandpa so Casey could cook, clean and catch Anthony without distractions.

I don't think Cindy or George minded watching Caylee. But, they probably thought if Casey was gone night after night (catching Anthony) that Casey was being an irresponsible mother. They probably said so.

Which may have led to Casey stamping off with Caylee and all of the rest.
I also don't think GM's threat about going to get custody of Caylee on July 15th was the first time it was used to try and keep Casey in line.

[SweetDreamOfYou]

I'm a mother of young kids, but I don't think I would EVER be able to think my kids could do something like this either.

I think Cindy just wanted Caylee back at that moment and could care less what the smell was. When the "light" finally went off in her head that Casey didn't have a clue about Caylee's whereabouts, that's when the smell came back to her and she called for the third time.

i agree Cindy does seem the type of person that thinks out loud.
i just can't imagine what theya re going thru.

[Hailiejade77]

Detectives Investigate 3 Key Dates In Missing 3-Year-Old Girl Mystery

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Sources told Local 6 News on Tuesday that detectives investigating the disappearance of a missing 3-year-old Orlando girl are focusing on three key dates in mid-June and are trying to track the girl's mother's whereabouts during that time.

Investigators with the Orange County Sheriff's Office are trying to track Casey Anthony's whereabouts on June 16, 17 and 18 in connection to the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee Anthony. Casey Anthony reported her daughter missing in mid-July, 31 days after she said she last saw the girl.Sources told Local 6 News that if something happened to Caylee, it may have occurred on June 16, a day after Father's Day.

June 17 is the day detectives said Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from a neighbor of her grandparents. The same neighbor said she saw Casey Anthony strangely back her car up into the family's garage on June 18.

http://www.local6.com/news/17169920/detail.html (more at link)

[Leila]

I think there is some significance to June 9th also. I wondered if Casey did move out that day, without Caylee, while planning on moving in together with Amy. She could have left Caylee with Cindy and a week later, Cindy finally told her to basically chit or get off the pot, start being a mother instead of the party girl.

I also think the family wasn't fond of Casey's new boyfriend, not because he is a bad person, but possibly because Casey started putting Caylee last since he was such an important part of the club scene that she wanted to be in. Fame and all, ya know. *sarcasm inserted here*

But what I think everyone is stepping around is June 15/16. I am almost certain there was an argument, as stated by the neighbor, between Cindy and Casey. Something happened at the Anthony's house that day to Caylee after Cindy and George went to work, IMO. Casey didn't take Caylee's favorite teddy bear or her toys and clothes because there was no Caylee. From that day on, Casey made excuse after excuse for why Cindy couldn't see Caylee.

I think this is a very likely scenario! According to George and Cindy in their interview with Greta, their vacation was the first part of June - Cindy's birthday week. I think they got home and learned that Casey had made plans to move out, and Casey probably did move out on June 9th, leaving Caylee there.

The following week, on Father's Day, Casey probably showed up and an argument ensued about Casey having her parents babysit while she was out with her friends, and not taking responsibility.

We've learned from one of the phone calls between Casey and Lee that there were bags of Casey's things that according to Casey, she kept in a central location at Tony's. These bags were brought back to the Anthony's house, and Casey ventured that the missing blackjack phone might be in the bags.

It sounds like early on June 16th, Casey threw a bunch of clothes in bags and then she and Caylee left. But, from the looks of Caylee's bedroom, it doesn't look like much of Caylee's belongings were taken, not even her favorite teddy bear. It would be interesting to know what, if any, of Caylee's clothing was in those bags retrieved from Tony's.

[RR0004]

Most places just prorate the rent.
I don't think Casey expected to have to pay anything if she was living with Tony. Even if she was willing/able to, remember, DJ was waiting to move into his new apt. So maybe Casey would be taking over his portion of the rent (?).

[Hailiejade77]

More Charges Could Be Filed So Casey Will Talk

A source close to the investigation said that more and more they believe Caylee probably died in some sort of accident on June 16 -- hours after she was last seen by grandfather George Anthony.

That source also said they believe Casey knows more about what happened to her daughter than she's saying, and they're looking at the possibility of more charges to get her to talk.

They could consider theft charges. A friend said Casey stole $700 from her.

Investigators also said they suspect Casey ran up charges on her parents' credit cards without permission, so credit card fraud could be another charge. And, detectives continue to say she has made numerous false statements. That too could lead to a new charges against the mother.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17113783/detail.html (more at link)

video http://www.wesh.com/video/17172358/index.html

[liltigress]

And here I was thinking the shovel was borrowed on the same day her car was backed into the garage.

[murdershewrote]

hopefully piling on the charges will work if she is innocent...but it won't if she's guilty, because she knows she'd be facing DP or LOTP. I think she'd risk spending 5 years or whatever it ends up being and out for good behavior. The fact that they want to pile on these charges tells me they don't have any forensics.

[RR0004]

Agreed: re the real blowup that resulted in Cayleee disappearing.
Has anyone seen confirmation, other than the claims Casey was missing herself for days, that Casey WASN'T visiting GGP? I knwo she's not in the video, and I know Cindy claims Casey had been missing herself at the time the 911 call was made, but that was days later... has anyone seena nything else to confirm/prove Casey didn't go to visit GGP?
Just remember that GM said she took Caylee to see her father.

[murdershewrote]

and she didn't sign in at the nursing home

[RR0004]

Hmmm. should I do a chart for June 9th?
Would you be able to read "trouble"?

[technicalconfusion]

You people are impossible to keep up with! I can't leave my computer!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this:

Casey met Tony on May 24th and was moving in with him on June 9th? Presumably with Caylee in tow?

[I][B]Who on earth meets someone then moves in with them some 2 weeks later? Much less with a 2-yr old child?????


I've always thought that was rather odd that Tony would let Casey move in so quickly, especially with a 3 year old child. Most guys his age, and still partying like he does, wouldn't want to take that on and cramp his style. I wonder if little Caylee was even potty trained yet?

More like shacking up temporarily. It may be that this is a catalyst in what happened to Caylee. He tells Casey she's moving too fast, not ready for a relationship, much less one with a kid, and she snaps.

Along with this, Cindy hears about this guy she just met, doesn't know and is of course concerned about Caylee, blah blah blah, tells her she can't take Caylee in that situation, nor the car and may not fully believe that Casey plans on moving in with a girlfriend.

The drama ensues!

Casey snaps, get's really po'd at the whole thing, and bam. End of situation. In her eyes.

[DagNasty]

...not if Amy's old roomate (Ricardo) was moving out and Casey was simply moving in to take his place... then again, why would Casey be talking about getting Amy moved in in the myspace comments...

I was under the impression that Amy was moving into the Oveido(sp?) house but it fell through. Thats why she was asking about forwarding her mail. She had already started forwarding it to the new address

[SewingDeb]

And here I was thinking the shovel was borrowed on the same day her car was backed into the garage.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

[RR0004]

I agree George should not be spouting his mouth. But this is a guy or may honestly believe his daughter is telling the truth. If that is the case, those of us who are parents know what happens when people attack, verbally, physically or emotionally our children... We become bears, ready to attack back. So:

To those who are badmouthing his daughter: I'll show you..
To those who have his grand daughter, your fooling nobody, and I will get to you.

MOO
I think if there are "kidnappers" involved the message should come from LE. It usually does.

[Chilly Willy]

And here I was thinking the shovel was borrowed on the same day her car was backed into the garage.

The garage is attached to the house, right? Casey had 3 duffle bags of clothes at TonE's apartment - maybe she backed up into the garage to load up her belongings?

[RR0004]

The car is 10 years old. I'd bet that it was bought for her when she was in high school, and has remained in her parents' name.

It's probably her car, in that her parents gave it to her, and she drove it all the time, but it was also leverage to be used against her by her parents. "Don't you leave in MY car..." even though she had had possession of it since high school.
It was her brother's first (sorry if this has been addressed).

[impatientredhead]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

I did as well. Wouldn't be the first news article with a misstatement in it.

[Leila]

which brings up another Q I've never gotten anyone to help me with: if Cindy had already smelled the "dead body" in the car before she found Casey per Amy's help, and then she went to get Casey, so she knows Casey is alove and she's not the "dead body", then whose dead body did she think it was? I ask because she's still so calm whenmaking the first 911 call, and everyone speculates that she didn't really think anything bad had happened to Caylee at that point in time... thoughts?

I've always felt that Cindy's mindset was that Casey was keeping Caylee from her.........that after arguing about Casey's responsibilities, that Casey was punishing her by not allowing her to see Caylee. At that point, I think Cindy really believed that Casey had someone else babysitting with Caylee and was just being stubborn and denying Cindy access to her granddaughter.

It wasn't until Cindy heard Casey telling Lee that the babysitter, Zaney, had kidnapped Caylee a month prior, that Cindy suddenly realized that Casey wasn't just keeping Caylee from her..........Caylee was really missing!

I think the July 3rd comments by Cindy in her MySpace blog really sum up the situation........at that point Cindy felt that she was being victimized by her own daughter.

[fixingtoburst]

Just remember that GM said she took Caylee to see her father.

I think the LE is playing a game of poker. They are threatening Casey with all these other charges, seeing if she'll fold knowing that they still have an Ace up their sleeve.

I would guarantee that they have more forensic evidence than what they are stating. But they are keeping those cards very close in hand.

[RR0004]

So many charts to chase, and not enough time! I truly wish I could pin down the last date that Caylee was seen.

I thought I had it with George's statement that he had seen Caylee last at 12:50 PM on the 16th. But, now that Cindy is messing up that by saying that Great Grannie heard her in a phone call after that, I can't feel confident about using the 16th chart as the accurate one.

Without an accurate date/time/place, I can't do much but look at Casey's noon chart, which leads me to late night Jun 17th/ wee hours June 18th.

All that said, every indication from chart analysis is that Caylee is no longer with us, and that Casey had a nasty temper outburst/impulsive violence at about that time.

I am weeping as I keyboard this, for I do so want to be WRONG!
Oh, HM, I do so appreciate your work...and feel for you right now. oxoxoxox

[manatee]

hopefully piling on the charges will work if she is innocent...but it won't if she's guilty, because she knows she'd be facing DP or LOTP. I think she'd risk spending 5 years or whatever it ends up being and out for good behavior. The fact that they want to pile on these charges tells me they don't have any forensics.

I hope you're wrong but you may be right. It's unfortunate that they did not handle this like Scott Peterson's case were they let him believe he was off the hook and the recorded his conversations with GF and followed him around. Casey would have certainly believed that she had fooled everyone and would have made some mistakes. with the lawyers now we will never get her to speak.
:-(

[impatientredhead]

"Cindy Anthony said she talked with detectives about a phone call that Casey Anthony said she received in which she heard Caylee in the background. According to a search warrant, detectives said phone records show that the phone call never occurred."

http://www.local6.com/news/17169920/detail.html

Isn't this a revision to the original story. Wasn't the call from Caylee and Casey said "Caylee put an adult on the phone" and the phone line dropped. Now she is in the background? Okay, who was on the line then? And why would she say to Caylee put an adult on, would she ask to talk to Zanny?

[RR0004]

And here I was thinking the shovel was borrowed on the same day her car was backed into the garage.
We did, we never knew when the car/shovel incident was, just that it was sometime in the middle of June.

[Leila]

Detectives Investigate 3 Key Dates In Missing 3-Year-Old Girl Mystery

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Sources told Local 6 News on Tuesday that detectives investigating the disappearance of a missing 3-year-old Orlando girl are focusing on three key dates in mid-June and are trying to track the girl's mother's whereabouts during that time.

Investigators with the Orange County Sheriff's Office are trying to track Casey Anthony's whereabouts on June 16, 17 and 18 in connection to the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee Anthony. Casey Anthony reported her daughter missing in mid-July, 31 days after she said she last saw the girl.Sources told Local 6 News that if something happened to Caylee, it may have occurred on June 16, a day after Father's Day.

June 17 is the day detectives said Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from a neighbor of her grandparents. The same neighbor said she saw Casey Anthony strangely back her car up into the family's garage on June 18.

http://www.local6.com/news/17169920/detail.html (more at link)

Whoa...............Mark Fuhrman said last week that it was July 18th when Casey borrowed the shovel and backed into the driveway. LE is now revealing that it was the 17th, which does make a big difference as it really narrows the time line considerably.

Something happened to Caylee between 12:50pm on June 16th and sometime on June 17th!

[RR0004]

and she didn't sign in at the nursing home
Really?

[TripleA]

The really odd part about the 9th is that both Casey AND Cindy miscalculated separately.
Per the police report, Casey said she dropped Caylee off on the 9th at the apt complex.
But she also says she hasn't seen her in 31 days. Date mistake...no problem, I am ok with that.

Cindy said she last saw Caylee on the 9th and then corrected herself to the 15th. She gave a very reaonable explanation at the bond hearing and I have no problem with that.

But what I have a problem with is that they BOTH made the same exact mistake seemingly independent of one another.
odd yes?

Speculation Only:

Before anyone ever knew about tis "kidnapping", before the 911 calls, Cindy and Casey were in the car arguing about her behavior and where Caylee was. I am sure that in those first conversations, Cindy inadvertently said "I haven't seen Caylee since June 9th" and then when Casey supposedly broke down to Lee and told him that Caylee had been kidnapped by the nanny, she just went with the date that Cindy had mentioned earlier in the car. I think that it was just an error, not part of the cover-up ploy.

[RR0004]

I was under the impression that Amy was moving into the Oveido(sp?) house but it fell through. Thats why she was asking about forwarding her mail. She had already started forwarding it to the new address
That was Amy IIRC...oh, well more drama!

[chrisg]

I think this is a very likely scenario! According to George and Cindy in their interview with Greta, their vacation was the first part of June - Cindy's birthday week. I think they got home and learned that Casey had made plans to move out, and Casey probably did move out on June 9th, leaving Caylee there.

But who would have watched Caylee that week during the day when the GPs were at work?

[Chilly Willy]

hopefully piling on the charges will work if she is innocent...but it won't if she's guilty, because she knows she'd be facing DP or LOTP. I think she'd risk spending 5 years or whatever it ends up being and out for good behavior. The fact that they want to pile on these charges tells me they don't have any forensics.

I agree, I don't think they got anything incriminating from the car. EVEN if the specific DNA testing is not complete, and I don't believe that for a minute, the tests for blood and human body fluids only require a quick look under a microscope. If they had those things they'd use them to pressure Casey into talking, they wouldn't have to threaten her with what are basically trivial charges in comparison to murder charges.

[liltigress]

Hmmm... So she borrowed the shovel on the 17th. WTH did she do with Caylee?

And she came back on the 18th and backed into the garage. Was she scrubbing the trunk that day maybe?

[impatientredhead]

But who would have watched Caylee that week during the day when the GPs were at work?

I thought GP had just recently started a new job? Could be before his start date. And that could be the reason Casey had to come and be a mom instead of hanging with Tony and the crew.

[Leila]

So many charts to chase, and not enough time! I truly wish I could pin down the last date that Caylee was seen.

I thought I had it with George's statement that he had seen Caylee last at 12:50 PM on the 16th. But, now that Cindy is messing up that by saying that Great Grannie heard her in a phone call after that, I can't feel confident about using the 16th chart as the accurate one.

Without an accurate date/time/place, I can't do much but look at Casey's noon chart, which leads me to late night Jun 17th/ wee hours June 18th.

All that said, every indication from chart analysis is that Caylee is no longer with us, and that Casey had a nasty temper outburst/impulsive violence at about that time.

I am weeping as I keyboard this, for I do so want to be WRONG!

Housemouse.............based on what LE has now stated about Casey borrowing the shovel on the 17th, NOT the 18th, I think your chart for June 16th, leading into late June 17th/early 18th, would be correct.

[Chilly Willy]

"Cindy Anthony said she talked with detectives about a phone call that Casey Anthony said she received in which she heard Caylee in the background. According to a search warrant, detectives said phone records show that the phone call never occurred."

http://www.local6.com/news/17169920/detail.html

Isn't this a revision to the original story. Wasn't the call from Caylee and Casey said "Caylee put an adult on the phone" and the phone line dropped. Now she is in the background? Okay, who was on the line then? And why would she say to Caylee put an adult on, would she ask to talk to Zanny?

It appears to me the reporter got it wrong.

[murdershewrote]

I must say that I am somewhat encouraged that LE is focusing on these 3 days, when alot of activity took place.

[RR0004]

The garage is attached to the house, right? Casey had 3 duffle bags of clothes at TonE's apartment - maybe she backed up into the garage to load up her belongings?
I mentioned that days ago. That perhaps she hid the bags in the shed so her parents wouldn't know she moved out. The shovel part I can't figure. Anyway, I thought they kept the shed locked at all times.

[impatientredhead]

I agree, I don't think they got anything incriminating from the car. EVEN if the specific DNA testing is not complete, and I don't believe that for a minute, the tests for blood and human body fluids only require a quick look under a microscope. If they had those things they'd use them to pressure Casey into talking, they wouldn't have to threaten her with what are basically trivial charges in comparison to murder charges.

I think they have the tests back from the trunk. The DNA is probably Caylee's but not enough fluids to definitely prove a death occured. The dogs indicating at the trunk would not be enough in court to prove death occured (that is the reason for the air test going to the body farm). The hair could be explained by transference, she has been in the car many times before.

[chrisg]

I thought GP had just recently started a new job? Could be before his start date. And that could be the reason Casey had to come and be a mom instead of hanging with Tony and the crew.

I just don't see George watching Caylee all day every day--even for a single week. Perhaps if Cindy between jobs, yes, but not George. And that's what Zanny the invisible nanny was for--which translated into Casey having to manage w/ Caylee during the day.

[RR0004]

Whoa...............Mark Fuhrman said last week that it was July 18th when Casey borrowed the shovel and backed into the driveway. LE is now revealing that it was the 17th, which does make a big difference as it really narrows the time line considerably.

Something happened to Caylee between 12:50pm on June 16th and sometime on June 17th!
Ok...now I'm confused...two different dates.

[Leila]

But who would have watched Caylee that week during the day when the GPs were at work?

I recall something being stated that Cindy went back to work on June 16th, the day after Father's Day. Perhaps Cindy had a two week vacation from work and the first week she and George went on a small vacation somewhere. Cindy may have had another week of vacation time left.

[liltigress]

I thought GP had just recently started a new job? Could be before his start date. And that could be the reason Casey had to come and be a mom instead of hanging with Tony and the crew.

That's what I was thinking also. He revealed under oath that he'd just started this job, yet still claimed later that he was home on June 16 when Casey and Caylee were on their way out with backpacks. Isn't this where he also said he was leaving for work at 2:30 yet he was there questioning Casey about that stupid wedge at 2:35?

[housemouse]

Would you be able to read "trouble"?

I studied very closely, and saw big trouble very late night 17th/ early 18th. I can go back and study earlier charts, but usually the tightest aspect is where "the time is right"

I am sure there was tension throughout all these dates, because the planets in question are all slow movers. I am using the fastest mover (Moon) as the timer. I am just an honest amateur, & don't want any publicity, money or recognition. It really bothers me that my name is on the charts, for I would prefer to be anonymous.

I want to take whatever talent God gave me, and help to bring justice to Caylee. And, if there is anything to my efforts to tie down the timing, it isn't me, friends. It is Himself.

[impatientredhead]

I recall something being stated that Cindy went back to work on June 16th, the day after Father's Day. Perhaps Cindy had a two week vacation from work and the first week she and George went on a small vacation somewhere. Cindy may have had another week of vacation time left.

That would make more sense. It is in the interview with Greta that she talks about her vacation. I will check the transcripts to see if she says how long she was off. She said it was her birthday, so a short trip, and maybe some time at home.

[tttterri]

As far as the June 9 date that keeps coming up for when Casey moved out, or when Caylee went missing, I think that is the date everyone remembers Casey moving out, not when Caylee went missing. It is possible the gm jumped on the 15th when LE brought it up to keep from detailing Casey being away all the dates before. If they saw Caylee that date with ggf, then it wasnt real important anymore. (I still think ALL those dates are important for people to retrack her steps!) I think Casey had been staying at JP's (owner of the home) and Ricardos a good bit even in April of the yr, even possibly without Amy living there. I think it is possible that she may have been seeing Ricardo until the party on May 24 when she met Tony, but that is just my thoughts. I think when gm said it wasnt unusual for her to go off and stay a few days, that that was an understatement. In this post, Casey mentions sleeping upstairs. Later on, she mentions bribing Ricardo to take her to Amy's work at Houligans. On Jp's site, he describes the layout of the apt and there are 2 bedrooms UPSTAIRS and one guest bedroom on bottom floor and that the garage is also on the bottom floor. Middle floor is for kitchen, great room and has the balcony. If she was sleeping upstairs in April, wonder whose bedroom that was in if Amy was sleeping downstairs? I assumed dstairs because they missed seeing each other. The posts:
4-5 casey to amy at 10:15am well, i'm bummed out. i missed seeing you twice in less than 12 hours! i left before you got here last night, and you left while i was asleep upstairs this morning boo
NOTE: CASEY IS SLEEPING UPSTAIRS, WHICH ONE SLEEPS THERE? RICARDO OR JP?

4-7 casey to amy, at 12:51pm on April 7th, 2008
hopefully you're not working too late tonight! maybe you could swing by the boys' place.

4-20 Casey to amy at 11:01am
i'll try and get my ass in better shape, before tuesday night. as far as tonight is concerned, i'm not doing a damn thing. i can still barely sit up. this being sick thing has literally knocked me off kilter. i'll be seeing you as soon as i can, even if i have to bribe ricardo to go to houlihan's
i miss ya love, and i definitely need some good company.
that, and well, my mom's vege soup (thankfully, that's on the way!)

[Chilly Willy]

I just don't see George watching Caylee all day every day--even for a single week. Perhaps if Cindy between jobs, yes, but not George. And that's what Zanny the invisible nanny was for--which translated into Casey having to manage w/ Caylee during the day.

And that's a huge question, at least for me. Where on earth did Casey go every day with Caylee when her parents thought she was at work? None of Casey's friends thought it was unusual that Caylee wasn't with Casey, which tells me that Caylee was rarely with her, even before June 16th.

[Patty G]

That would make more sense. It is in the interview with Greta that she talks about her vacation. I will check the transcripts to see if she says how long she was off. She said it was her birthday, so a short trip, and maybe some time at home.

According to the bond hearing Cindy's vacation finished June 8, 2008

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Leila]

Ok...now I'm confused...two different dates.

Last Thursday, on Greta, Mark Fuhrman stated that the shovel was borrowed on June 18th. It was the same video in which Mrak Fuhrman told of the flurry of phone calls between 3:00pm and 4:00pm on June 16th, no calls between 4:00pm and 6:00pm, and then another flurry of calls between 6:00pm and 7:30pm. The calls were to George and Cindy and two others (unnamed), and the calls weren't answered.

It was in the same video that Mark Fuhrman stated the shovel was borrowed on the 18th.

But, I'd believe LE's date of the 17th.

[RR0004]

I think the LE is playing a game of poker. They are threatening Casey with all these other charges, seeing if she'll fold knowing that they still have an Ace up their sleeve.

I would guarantee that they have more forensic evidence than what they are stating. But they are keeping those cards very close in hand.
I agree to an extent. I think if LE reveals all they have right now they've lost their power to get Casey to talk and reveal where Caylee is dead and/or alive. I also think they have a responsibilty to inform the public as to what is going on in their search for this "missing" child. They haven't done that as often as I would like.

[impatientredhead]

That's what I was thinking also. He revealed under oath that he'd just started this job, yet still claimed later that he was home on June 16 when Casey and Caylee were on their way out with backpacks. Isn't this where he also said he was leaving for work at 2:30 yet he was there questioning Casey about that stupid wedge at 2:35?

<snipped from my earlier post>

Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:40pm on June 24th, 2008
she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven't even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i'll fill ya in later on.
miss ya, yo.
Whereever "the house" they were moving into is Casey hasn't been staying there. Interestingly 9 days earlier puts us back on June 16th, a date that just keeps coming up. Also this post is on the 24th of June at 2:40pm. When did GP say Casey was at the house and he took the gas cans out of the trunk. Do we know the time?

Did George give the 2:35 as the time he was getting tools out of Casey's trunk? Because she was on myspace 5 minutes later. Seems like the stolen gas tank conversation would have take longer than that.

[RR0004]

I studied very closely, and saw big trouble very late night 17th/ early 18th. I can go back and study earlier charts, but usually the tightest aspect is where "the time is right"

I am sure there was tension throughout all these dates, because the planets in question are all slow movers. I am using the fastest mover (Moon) as the timer. I am just an honest amateur, & don't want any publicity, money or recognition. It really bothers me that my name is on the charts, for I would prefer to be anonymous.

I want to take whatever talent God gave me, and help to bring justice to Caylee. And, if there is anything to my efforts to tie down the timing, it isn't me, friends. It is Himself.
We know HM...and search "him" out regularly...especially at times like these.