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Continue posting here. I hate being the bad guy folks but you have to understand where I am coming from. There are TOS rules here and I'm not going to keep preaching them. I'm not going to keep posting warnings if at some point your try to log in and can't get into WS you will know why.
RR0004
08-12-2008, 11:51 PM
Well, I don't know where everyone is and I grew impatient trying to read through all the threads to see if this has been said..."How many drs offices do you know that are open on Wednesday?" Ok. I said it...now I'll go back to reading the last thread.
ETA: Thanks WC!
MIMI2
08-12-2008, 11:52 PM
Thanks Windchime...somebody has to do it :)
fixingtoburst
08-12-2008, 11:53 PM
Thanks Windchime...somebody has to do it :)
I hope windchime lets me know if I cross the line.
fixingtoburst
08-12-2008, 11:54 PM
Ok, so why does the shovel have to be swung to break the lock. Use it as leverage. It's great because of the long handle.
mamaks5
08-12-2008, 11:55 PM
Ok so You have a child who is missing, you don't tell anyone,then you party at the bars, cook for your boyfriend, post goofy messages to your friends on the internet, steal gas from your parents, steal money and checks from your friend, use your parents credit cards without their permission, borrow a shovel from the neighbor, back your car up to your parents garage for some reason, abandon the car with a "smell", make up names of friends you work with, lie to police, talk like a spoiled brat on the phone from jail, never ask about the search for your daughter, never act concerned that she is missing....
And your parents continue to say your a great person and mother. AUGHHH.....did I miss anything???
fixingtoburst
08-12-2008, 11:56 PM
You put one flat against the ground and pull the other end and you've got a great bit of force working with you. Also since it's taller than say a crowbar and easier to handle in some ways it would be an ideal tool and probably a lot more readily available.
fixingtoburst
08-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Ok so You have a child who is missing, you don't tell anyone,then you party at the bars, cook for your boyfriend, post goofy messages to your friends on the internet, steal gas from your parents, steal money and checks from your friend, use your parents credit cards without their permission, borrow a shovel from the neighbor, back your car up to your parents garage for some reason, abandon the car with a "smell", make up names of friends you work with, lie to police, talk like a spoiled brat on the phone from jail, never ask about the search for your daughter, never act concerned that she is missing....
And your parents continue to say your a great person and mother. AUGHHH.....did I miss anything???
I think you pretty much nailed it. Maybe we should get Casey a coffee cup that says 'Mother of the Year' on it.
sweetmop
08-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Ok so You have a child who is missing, you don't tell anyone,then you party at the bars, cook for your boyfriend, post goofy messages to your friends on the internet, steal gas from your parents, steal money and checks from your friend, use your parents credit cards without their permission, borrow a shovel from the neighbor, back your car up to your parents garage for some reason, abandon the car with a "smell", make up names of friends you work with, lie to police, talk like a spoiled brat on the phone from jail, never ask about the search for your daughter, never act concerned that she is missing....
And your parents continue to say your a great person and mother. AUGHHH.....did I miss anything???
Don't forget ... Cindy said we'd all think Casey is "Mother of the Year" when this story all plays out!:eek:
MD MOMMY
08-12-2008, 11:58 PM
Well, I don't know where everyone is and I grew impatient trying to read through all the threads to see if this has been said..."How many drs offices do you know that are open on Wednesday?" Ok. I said it...now I'll go back to reading the last thread.
ETA: Thanks WC!
Every Dr. that I go to or my children go to are open on Wednesdays. Heck my kids pediatrican is open on Saturday for that matter.
fixingtoburst
08-12-2008, 11:58 PM
Cindy doesn't really want to know what I think.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:00 AM
You put one flat against the ground and pull the other end and you've got a great bit of force working with you. Also since it's taller than say a crowbar and easier to handle in some ways it would be an ideal tool and probably a lot more readily available.
Why the mention of the shovel being used to break into the shed?
My understanding is that the cans were stolen sometime after the 22nd.
The locks on those sheds are flimsy. She could have broken into the shed with a screwdriver. Or a butter knife.
I don't think that the shovel was used to break into the shed. I think the shovel was used to try to bury something in the yard...but upon finding that her 100 lb. frame wasn't enough to penetrate the ground deep enough, she decided to dump Caylee's body somewhere else. The car was backed into the garage to unload the body to bury it, and, upon realizing that she couldn't bury it in the back yard, she re-loaded the body and moved it somewhere else (to dump it in a dumpster, lake, or other area).
I don't think this baby is buried underground. Where would she have gotten the shovel?
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:01 AM
Every Dr. that I go to or my children go to are open on Wednesdays. Heck my kids pediatrican is open on Saturday for that matter.
Same here. Only the vet closes on Wednesdays, and he stays open til noon.
fixingtoburst
08-13-2008, 12:02 AM
Why the mention of the shovel being used to break into the shed?
My understanding is that the cans were stolen sometime after the 22nd.
The locks on those sheds are flimsy. She could have broken into the shed with a screwdriver. Or a butter knife.
I don't think that the shovel was used to break into the shed. I think the shovel was used to try to bury something in the yard...but upon finding that her 100 lb. frame wasn't enough to penetrate the ground deep enough, she decided to dump Caylee's body somewhere else. The car was backed into the garage to unload the body to bury it, and, upon realizing that she couldn't bury it in the back yard, she re-loaded the body and moved it somewhere else (to dump it in a dumpster, lake, or other area).
I don't think this baby is buried underground. Where would she have gotten the shovel?
I'm just trying to come up with a plausible use for the shovel. I can't see Casey huffing it for 10 minutes trying to dig a hole. Too much work.
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:05 AM
phewwwwwwwww :crazy:
it wasnt me that was causing trouble - cause i got back in
<------------going to be on best behavior just in case :crazy:
:crazy:
shovels are used for digging
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:05 AM
I'm just trying to come up with a plausible use for the shovel. I can't see Casey huffing it for 10 minutes trying to dig a hole. Too much work.
I think she was going to do it and then abandoned the idea. However, CSI did go back and take dirt samples from the backyard and there was dirt found in Casey's trunk...
Ive always thought that maybe she dug up some dirt for coverage. IDK. But the dirt came from somewhere. I don't think Caylee is buried....but I do think she will be obscured or covered with something. Maybe dirt.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:05 AM
Every Dr. that I go to or my children go to are open on Wednesdays. Heck my kids pediatrican is open on Saturday for that matter.
Same here we can get in anytime, sat mornings even, but can anyone tell me...OFF TOPIC of course why every chiropractor on EARTH seems to be closed on Thursday? :blush: SOrry, I always wondered that and your post made methink of it! :rolleyes:
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:08 AM
Okay if my neighbor was 20 something...came to my house to borrow a shovel..when I know she lives with her parents who have one...DANG skippy my rear end would be looking out of every window to see what she was doing with it. She could have taken the shovel with her somewhere right? I honestly don't think she did a thing with that shovel at her house...
Amberjack
08-13-2008, 12:08 AM
Have they figured out if she went to Tampa and Jacksonville?
JBean
08-13-2008, 12:09 AM
Well, I don't know where everyone is and I grew impatient trying to read through all the threads to see if this has been said..."How many drs offices do you know that are open on Wednesday?" Ok. I said it...now I'll go back to reading the last thread.
ETA: Thanks WC!
ok now I'll say it..what does this question mean?
fixingtoburst
08-13-2008, 12:10 AM
ok now I'll say it..what does this question mean?
Thank you I was wondering the same thing. :chicken:
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:10 AM
Have they figured out if she went to Tampa and Jacksonville?
It doesn't seem so. She was staying with Tony the entire time. LE will know from her cell phone records. But I highly doubt it. Her myspace comments reflect that it was business as usual as far as her social plans.
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:10 AM
Same here we can get in anytime, sat mornings even, but can anyone tell me...OFF TOPIC of course why every chiropractor on EARTH seems to be closed on Thursday? :blush: SOrry, I always wondered that and your post made methink of it! :rolleyes:
Just so you know I make milk too...now that is seriously off topic LOL..yes chiropractors here close on Thursday's too...Most Dr.'s offices here close from 12-1pm for lunch which I think is odd..does the whole office need to eat at the same time??
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:12 AM
I'm a little baffled at Casey calling Jesse. I guess I was assuming that they didn't talk much, but from this call log, it looks like they talked more than I suspected. The only thing I think is she was looking for a babysitter on the 16th but no on was answering her calls.This would have been her first day of having to wing it on her own with Caylee.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:12 AM
Trying to figure out why Cindy was at work on a wednesday maybe? July 16th was a Wednesday
Is that why you were asking RR?
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:12 AM
phewwwwwwwww :crazy:
it wasnt me that was causing trouble - cause i got back in
<------------going to be on best behavior just in case :crazy:
:crazy:
shovels are used for digging
LOL. No kiddin!
Another hippo. :p
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:13 AM
Just so you know I make milk too...now that is seriously off topic LOL..yes chiropractors here close on Thursday's too...Most Dr.'s offices here close from 12-1pm for lunch which I think is odd..does the whole office need to eat at the same time??
WAY, WAY OFF TOPIC...but...ha ha ha...are you a superhero too? sorry I loved that avatar!
MIMI2
08-13-2008, 12:13 AM
Same here we can get in anytime, sat mornings even, but can anyone tell me...OFF TOPIC of course why every chiropractor on EARTH seems to be closed on Thursday? :blush: SOrry, I always wondered that and your post made methink of it! :rolleyes:
Well I don't know but they are closed here on Thur. also. :Banane09:
I'm a little baffled at Casey calling Jesse. I guess I was assuming that they didn't talk much, but from this call log, it looks like they talked more than I suspected. The only thing I think is she was looking for a babysitter on the 16th but no on was answering her calls.This would have been her first day of having to wing it on her own with Caylee.
I could be wrong, but I feel like Casey kept Jesse around for when she needed something. I think he cared very much for her, and she used him. I think she wanted something from him that day.
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:16 AM
Totally off topic here but... I think Jesse looks way better than Tony. He is a good looking dude.
Ok.. Back to sleuthing...
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:16 AM
From things I have read it sounded like they weren't close friends after the whole dating..your my baby's daddy thing..but who knows.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:16 AM
I could be wrong, but I feel like Casey kept Jesse around for when she needed something. I think he cared very much for her, and she used him. I think she wanted something from him that day.
I agree. Ol' dependable Jesse.
And don't you know that Tony's thinking now, "Thank God I dodged THAT bullet!"
Of course, he should have been clued in when a woman he had only met less than a month ago started moving her stuff into his house.
fixingtoburst
08-13-2008, 12:16 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that Casey used whomever she could whenever she could. Even poor Caylee.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:17 AM
I could be wrong, but I feel like Casey kept Jesse around for when she needed something. I think he cared very much for her, and she used him. I think she wanted something from him that day.
Agreed Amy, I got that impression as well. Probably felt like she could trust him b/c of his feelings for her. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what I've thought about their relationship from day one.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:17 AM
Totally off topic here but... I think Jesse looks way better than Tony. He is a good looking dude.
Ok.. Back to sleuthing...
I feel sorry for both of them, for having fallen into her web.
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:17 AM
[QUOTE=liltigress;2491750]Totally off topic here but... I think Jesse looks way better than Tony. He is a good looking dude.
Ok.. Personally I think that JP guy is HOT...okay back to work!
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:17 AM
LOL. No kiddin!
Another hippo. :p
ROFL :crazy::crazy::crazy:
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:18 AM
Doesn't Cindy work at a nursing home? Or am I dreaming that up?
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:19 AM
I agree. Ol' dependable Jesse.
And don't you know that Tony's thinking now, "Thank God I dodged THAT bullet!"
Of course, he should have been clued in when a woman he had only met less than a month ago started moving her stuff into his house.
Ya know I bet something comes out about that being a lie...I just don't see anyone shacking up with a girl and her 3 year old..especially not someone in their 20's who have known each other that short period of time...I have a gut feeling about that one.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:20 AM
[QUOTE=liltigress;2491750]Totally off topic here but... I think Jesse looks way better than Tony. He is a good looking dude.
Ok.. Personally I think that JP guy is HOT...okay back to work!
ha ha:dance: get back to sluething :whip2: :crazy:
mamaks5
08-13-2008, 12:20 AM
I wonder if a Doctor, therapist, counselor, or any other mental health person is seeing Casey on a regular basis in jail. She appears to be in a different world.
Cindy works for a home health agency. Nurses do home visits for people who aren't able to drive to the doctor. But I think she holds an administrative position, and doesn't do home visits.
MsJoni
08-13-2008, 12:21 AM
I could be wrong, but I feel like Casey kept Jesse around for when she needed something. I think he cared very much for her, and she used him. I think she wanted something from him that day.
I agree, my heart goes out to Jesse...Casey has ruined sooooo many lives..
Ya know I bet something comes out about that being a lie...I just don't see anyone shacking up with a girl and her 3 year old..especially not someone in their 20's who have known each other that short period of time...I have a gut feeling about that one.
Wasn't there some interview with a friend of Tony's who said Tony thought Casey was a little "crazy"?
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:23 AM
Every Dr. that I go to or my children go to are open on Wednesdays. Heck my kids pediatrican is open on Saturday for that matter.
Something tells me if it's an adult only office they're not open...don't drs. play golf on Wednesdays? (tee hee)...I'm thinking that's why she called home on the Wednesday...mom wouldn't be at work...dad didn't work then so they probably spent the day somewhere. I definitely think she was calling to see if anyone was home.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:23 AM
Doesn't Cindy work at a nursing home? Or am I dreaming that up?
Not dreaming. or at least an agency like that.
mamaks5
08-13-2008, 12:24 AM
I wish Tony would give an interview. Or other people who were with her that whole month. We don't hear much from them.
IntriguedMind
08-13-2008, 12:24 AM
Off topic too, JP + Lee are drool material! :) Hehe
Maybe Cindy goes home for lunch. Weren't the calls placed around lunchtime?
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:25 AM
I wonder if a Doctor, therapist, counselor, or any other mental health person is seeing Casey on a regular basis in jail. She appears to be in a different world.
I don't know about on a regular basis but a pyschologist has seen her. In one of the jail convo's she alludes to Lee that she had seen one that morning.
MIMI2
08-13-2008, 12:25 AM
Ya know I bet something comes out about that being a lie...I just don't see anyone shacking up with a girl and her 3 year old..especially not someone in their 20's who have known each other that short period of time...I have a gut feeling about that one.
I think that is very telling about Casey and her priorities...and concern for her child.
rozey
08-13-2008, 12:26 AM
Okay if my neighbor was 20 something...came to my house to borrow a shovel..when I know she lives with her parents who have one...DANG skippy my rear end would be looking out of every window to see what she was doing with it. She could have taken the shovel with her somewhere right? I honestly don't think she did a thing with that shovel at her house...
Suppose she did...The neighbor said they took a shower and when he/she went outside the shovel was there, maybe an hour later. That would mean whatever and where ever Casey went she was able to complete her task in 1 hour.
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:26 AM
Maybe Cindy goes home for lunch. Weren't the calls placed around lunchtime?
Around here most if not all Dr.'s offices close from 12-1 for lunch. It seems like everytime I call it is between those times LOL go figure.
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:26 AM
ok now I'll say it..what does this question mean?
Why Casey called mom at home and not at work on June 18th- it was a Wednesday. Sorry for the confusion...but a lot of dr.s' offices here are NOT open on Wednesdays(though some have nurses in ) and I can imagine during the summer they have shortened work hours (they do here). Sorry for the confusion!
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:28 AM
Supose she did...The neighbor said they took a shower and when he/she went outside the shovel was there, maybe an hour later. That would mean whatever and where ever Casey went she was able to complete her task in 1 hour.
Maybe the dirt in her trunk is dirt from the shovel??? Just as easily as she could have tried to bury something in the back yard is just as easily as she could have went and dug somewhere else. OR she could have even used the shovel as a weapon...IDK.
Cindy doesn't work in a Dr's office. She works for a home health agency.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:28 AM
Cindy works for a home health agency. Nurses do home visits for people who aren't able to drive to the doctor. But I think she holds an administrative position, and doesn't do home visits.
Thanks, Amy.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:28 AM
Suppose she did...The neighbor said they took a shower and when he/she went outside the shovel was there, maybe an hour later. That would mean whatever and where ever Casey went she was able to complete her task in 1 hour.
Which I why I don't think she would've been able to bury her and dig her back up, or whatever. I think she may have thought about it, but not followed through. Since the neighbor showered for all she knows Casey could've had the shovel for 10 minutes before returning it. I bet she used it on the shed. JMHO
blondietx
08-13-2008, 12:29 AM
Something tells me if it's an adult only office they're not open...don't drs. play golf on Wednesdays? (tee hee)...I'm thinking that's why she called home on the Wednesday...mom wouldn't be at work...dad didn't work then so they probably spent the day somewhere. I definitely think she was calling to see if anyone was home.
George doesn't work on Wed?
SouthernMom
08-13-2008, 12:30 AM
I thought I read somewhere back that due to undue pressure from a certain person that JG was now officially "he who shall not be named'"
;)
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:30 AM
Right before we all got into trouble ; )....someone posted that it was reported that there was a huge fight at the Anthony's home on Fathers day and Casey was screaming and everything. I have never heard that. Anyone else? If so do we have a link. That would be important information.
Amster
08-13-2008, 12:31 AM
On the last thread, now closed, when I asked why Casey would be calling Cindy at home...wasn't Cindy working....I wasn't questioning the info from the poster. I was just asking a question. Sorry if it seemed I was doubting the call times from the poster.
I'll just lurk now and keep my questions to myself.
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:31 AM
Ok.. Personally I think that JP guy is HOT...okay back to work!
:woohoo::clap::crazy:
George doesn't work on Wed?
George had just statred his new job that week, right? Wasn't that Monday his very first day?
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:31 AM
the SHOVEL TRICK
walk over and you want to verify if the neighbor is home
ring the bell or knock on the door
if no one answers, then you have some time to do something and not be seen.
if someone does answer, then you go into shovel trick MODE
"oh, hi you are home ?......um errrrrrrr ahhhhhi need to borrow a hmmm...errrrrrrr a shovel, yea thats what i need"
the plan failed but at least they didnt see you moving something or doing something nefarious :crazy:
rozey
08-13-2008, 12:32 AM
Maybe the dirt in her trunk is dirt from the shovel??? Just as easily as she could have tried to bury something in the back yard is just as easily as she could have went and dug somewhere else. OR she could have even used the shovel as a weapon...IDK.
No, I think if what you surmise could be correct than whatever she used that shovel for, plz forgive this, but to bury Cayle...subtract the time it would take to complete that task than you could have a timeline for the drive there and back to the house. See what I mean? If it took her 30 min to dig than she had 30 minutes drive time so Cayle could be within a 15 minute radius from the house.
rozey
08-13-2008, 12:33 AM
the shovel trick
walk over and you want to verify if the neighbor is home
ring the bell or knock on the door
if no one answers, then you have some time to do something and not be seen.
If someone does answer, then you go into shovel trick mode
"oh, hi you are home ?......um errrrrrrr ahhhhhi need to borrow a hmmm...errrrrrrr a shovel, yea thats what i need"
the plan failed but at least they didnt see you moving something or doing something nefarious :crazy:
clever!!!!
MIMI2
08-13-2008, 12:33 AM
Right before we all got into trouble ; )....someone posted that it was reported that there was a huge fight at the Anthony's home on Fathers day and Casey was screaming and everything. I have never heard that. Anyone else? If so do we have a link. That would be important information.
It wqs reported on Greta last night by Mark Furhman.....don't know who the source was.
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:33 AM
Trying to figure out why Cindy was at work on a wednesday maybe? July 16th was a Wednesday
Is that why you were asking RR?
YES! Geez...around here the drs play golf on Wednesday...I'm thinking half of the NY/NJ area has migrated south so they'd keep up the tradition. I'm gonna ask my MIL!
ETA: aren't we talking about 6/18?
JBean
08-13-2008, 12:33 AM
Why Casey called mom at home and not at work on June 18th- it was a Wednesday. Sorry for the confusion...but a lot of dr.s' offices here are NOT open on Wednesdays(though some have nurses in ) and I can imagine during the summer they have shortened work hours (they do here). Sorry for the confusion!
OKay I see where you're goin'. Doctors offices are open here on Weds. But I don't know anything about FL. and I guess we need to know Cindy's wrok schedule to know if those calls make sense.
not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 12:34 AM
Can I ask why it is inconceivable to see Casey digging up babmboo, yet everyone seems to see it plausible for her to be swinging a shovel and committing minor thefts? Digging up bamboo, actually easier than breaking a lock with a shovel.
Don't beat me, just seems like a logical question.
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:34 AM
the SHOVEL TRICK
walk over and you want to verify if the neighbor is home
ring the bell or knock on the door
if no one answers, then you have some time to do something and not be seen.
if someone does answer, then you go into shovel trick MODE
"oh, hi you are home ?......um errrrrrrr ahhhhhi need to borrow a hmmm...errrrrrrr a shovel, yea thats what i need"
the plan failed but at least they didnt see you moving something or doing something nefarious :crazy:
I wouldn't put it past her......she is very devious.
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:34 AM
Right before we all got into trouble ; )....someone posted that it was reported that there was a huge fight at the Anthony's home on Fathers day and Casey was screaming and everything. I have never heard that. Anyone else? If so do we have a link. That would be important information.
Yeah I would like to see that too pretty please...
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:34 AM
clever!!!!
she is one sneaky woman
EVIL - yes
STUPID - YES
slick - very
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:35 AM
the SHOVEL TRICK
walk over and you want to verify if the neighbor is home
ring the bell or knock on the door
if no one answers, then you have some time to do something and not be seen.
if someone does answer, then you go into shovel trick MODE
"oh, hi you are home ?......um errrrrrrr ahhhhhi need to borrow a hmmm...errrrrrrr a shovel, yea thats what i need"
the plan failed but at least they didnt see you moving something or doing something nefarious :crazy:
What ever happened to the cup o' sugar trick MODE???
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:35 AM
I wouldn't put it past her......she is very devious.
yep.
especially if she brought it back in an hour......
it was like everything else she does :eek:
the obvious reason she does something AINT the real reason :eek:
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:35 AM
It wqs reported on Greta last night by Mark Furhman.....don't know who the source was.
Well thats quite enlightening and not at all surprising....
rozey
08-13-2008, 12:36 AM
Can I ask why it is inconceivable to see Casey digging up babmboo, yet everyone seems to see it plausible for her to be swinging a shovel and committing minor thefts? Digging up bamboo, actually easier than breaking a lock with a shovel.
Don't beat me, just seems like a logical question.
Well, to my thinking if she could break in the sheds to get the gas why wouldn't she break in to get a shovel for something as innocent as digging bamboo. There's something more to the borrowing the shovel from the neighbor, IMO.
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:36 AM
Cindy works for a home health agency. Nurses do home visits for people who aren't able to drive to the doctor. But I think she holds an administrative position, and doesn't do home visits.
And here I thought it was some kind of orthopedic office...my brain is fried!
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:36 AM
YES! Geez...around here the drs play golf on Wednesday...I'm thinking half of the NY/NJ area has migrated south so they'd keep up the tradition. I'm gonna ask my MIL!
ETA: aren't we talking about 6/18?
well the 18th is a Friday, not a wednesday, so I supposed that was what you meant. sorry for the confusion.
Okay NOW my brain is officially FRIED...I was looking at JULY and not JUNE...MAN sorry....I must be sleep typing.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:37 AM
Can I ask why it is inconceivable to see Casey digging up babmboo, yet everyone seems to see it plausible for her to be swinging a shovel and committing minor thefts? Digging up bamboo, actually easier than breaking a lock with a shovel.
Don't beat me, just seems like a logical question.
So she came on on the 18th and borrowed a shovel to go to the back yard for less than an hour to dig up bamboo?
Yeah, that seems like something every 22-year-old party girl I know would do.
:crazy: :p
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:37 AM
Off topic too, JP + Lee are drool material! :) Hehe
OMG I created monsters! LOL.. Back to sleuthing for you too! ;):Banane23:
What ever happened to the cup o' sugar trick MODE???
LOL! I was thinking a couple of eggs! A shovel would never occur to me! But, as we've seen, Casey thinks differently than most people!
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:37 AM
What ever happened to the cup o' sugar trick MODE???
that would be the cup o sugar trick
i thought the same thing
but she knew she would be burying or covering something up
subconsciously she "asked for a shovel"
she is so used to SHOVELING CRAP
:eek::eek:
Amberjack
08-13-2008, 12:38 AM
IMO....One problem....Ecstasy!
http://www.drugfree.org/portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:38 AM
the SHOVEL TRICK
walk over and you want to verify if the neighbor is home
ring the bell or knock on the door
if no one answers, then you have some time to do something and not be seen.
if someone does answer, then you go into shovel trick MODE
"oh, hi you are home ?......um errrrrrrr ahhhhhi need to borrow a hmmm...errrrrrrr a shovel, yea thats what i need"
the plan failed but at least they didnt see you moving something or doing something nefarious :crazy:
Haha! Wouldn't a cuppa sugar be less suspicious?
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 12:38 AM
Ok, so why does the shovel have to be swung to break the lock. Use it as leverage. It's great because of the long handle.
Sorry typed you a response but system went down ugh
blondietx
08-13-2008, 12:39 AM
George had just statred his new job that week, right? Wasn't that Monday his very first day?
I don't know. I thought he was unemployed until around 7/4. But, then he comes out with this new time line where he saw Casey & Caylee leaving on 6/16 at 12:50, before he goes to work?!?! Then on 6/24 at 2:25, he was about to go to work?!?! Who knows...
I thought it was verified that he didn't work on Wednesdays. I still stand by my analysis of the phone calls - posted on the phone call thread. But, if George doesn't work on Wed, I might have to revise that theory. :crazy:
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:39 AM
No, I think if what you surmise could be correct than whatever she used that shovel for, plz forgive this, but to bury Cayle...subtract the time it would take to complete that task than you could have a timeline for the drive there and back to the house. See what I mean? If it took her 30 min to dig than she had 30 minutes drive time so Cayle could be within a 15 minute radius from the house.
Also honestly people have no recollection of real time. What they said was an hour could have been 1,2 or even 3 hours. It's all relative I guess.
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:39 AM
her subconscious was working
the brain works in funny ways
she was trying to bury what she had just done or was planning to do
the shed was locked - she needed something that would WORK in this situation
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:39 AM
As far as the at work or not at work thing goes for Cindy and George we don't really know their schedules so speculating on that just seems kind of moot no? I also was thinking that both of their jobs are the kind that require "shift work" y'know? Nursing and security aren't necessarily Monday Through Friday 9 to 5 jobs. Its possible that they may have odd days off or work morning, swing or night shifts depending......Just a thought.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 12:39 AM
IMO....One problem....Ecstasy!
http://www.drugfree.org/portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy
How far is Orange Blossom Trail from any of our known locations?
JBean
08-13-2008, 12:40 AM
well the 18th is a Friday, not a wednesday, so I supposed that was what you meant. sorry for the confusion.
Okay NOW my brain is officially FRIED...I was looking at JULY and not JUNE...MAN sorry....I must be sleep typing.
I may be in the wrong time zone but you're on a differnt calendar. We make a good pair.
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:40 AM
Haha! Wouldn't a cuppa sugar be less suspicious?
ahaaaaaaaaa
but you see, if her house had all kinds of sugar - then why would she need to borrow sugar
the shed was locked - the perfect excuse
that would be the cup o sugar trick
i thought the same thing
but she knew she would be burying or covering something up
subconsciously she "asked for a shovel"
she is so used to SHOVELING CRAP
:eek::eek:
That actually makes a lot of sense to me! Very insightful!
Angelray
08-13-2008, 12:40 AM
Which I why I don't think she would've been able to bury her and dig her back up, or whatever. I think she may have thought about it, but not followed through. Since the neighbor showered for all she knows Casey could've had the shovel for 10 minutes before returning it. I bet she used it on the shed. JMHO
I wonder if they used a metal detector in the back yard. Maybe that is where she buried the missing cell phone so no one could find it? JMO
rozey
08-13-2008, 12:41 AM
Also honestly people have no recollection of real time. What they said was an hour could have been 1,2 or even 3 hours. It's all relative I guess.
Unless they were getting ready to go somewhere. Limited time, thats why they went out and noticed the shovel because they were leaving. Total quess work here........
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:41 AM
George doesn't work on Wed?
He didn't have a job until- IIRC- about a week before Casey was reported missing. Then someone here posted that at the bond meeting he was supposed to start that day. I don't remember that, but will try and go back and listen again.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 12:41 AM
Also honestly people have no recollection of real time. What they said was an hour could have been 1,2 or even 3 hours. It's all relative I guess.
She would be dirty, so where did she clean up?
mamaks5
08-13-2008, 12:42 AM
ahaaaaaaaaa
but you see, if her house had all kinds of sugar - then why would she need to borrow sugar
the shed was locked - the perfect excuse
Neighbors wouldn't know if they had sugar or not.
Leila
08-13-2008, 12:42 AM
Why the mention of the shovel being used to break into the shed?
My understanding is that the cans were stolen sometime after the 22nd.
The locks on those sheds are flimsy. She could have broken into the shed with a screwdriver. Or a butter knife.
I don't think that the shovel was used to break into the shed. I think the shovel was used to try to bury something in the yard...but upon finding that her 100 lb. frame wasn't enough to penetrate the ground deep enough, she decided to dump Caylee's body somewhere else. The car was backed into the garage to unload the body to bury it, and, upon realizing that she couldn't bury it in the back yard, she re-loaded the body and moved it somewhere else (to dump it in a dumpster, lake, or other area).
I don't think this baby is buried underground. Where would she have gotten the shovel?
On Nancy Grace today, she said that LE states that the shovel was borrowed on June 17th, and the car backing up into the driveway was on June 18th, so the shovel borrowing and car backing into driveway were on two separate occasions.
I originally thought Casey may have borrowed the shovel to bury Caylee in the backyard. But, in light of this new information, Casey may have buried some sort of evidence other than the body. Clothing perhaps? Something! I think she had second thoughts about leaving anything buried in her parents backyard, and went back later and dug it up.
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:42 AM
Can I ask why it is inconceivable to see Casey digging up babmboo, yet everyone seems to see it plausible for her to be swinging a shovel and committing minor thefts? Digging up bamboo, actually easier than breaking a lock with a shovel.
Don't beat me, just seems like a logical question.
B/C nothing on her myspace page alludes to gardening?? J/K
I hear "THE CLUB" has a new drink called THE BAMBOO..now that would have grabbed her attention I guarantee it. Shoveling bamboo... not so much her style.
blondietx
08-13-2008, 12:42 AM
I may be in the wrong time zone but you're on a differnt calendar. We make a good pair.
ROTFLMAO!!! I just double checked the day, still quite confused and then I see this post! How funny! Thanks for a good laugh. Definitely needed it today!
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:43 AM
That actually makes a lot of sense to me! Very insightful!
it took me awhile to come up with it
i have a splitting headache now :behindbar:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar
rozey
08-13-2008, 12:43 AM
She would be dirty, so where did she clean up?
In the pool. Thats why the ladder was there.
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:44 AM
the SHOVEL TRICK
walk over and you want to verify if the neighbor is home
ring the bell or knock on the door
if no one answers, then you have some time to do something and not be seen.
if someone does answer, then you go into shovel trick MODE
"oh, hi you are home ?......um errrrrrrr ahhhhhi need to borrow a hmmm...errrrrrrr a shovel, yea thats what i need"
the plan failed but at least they didnt see you moving something or doing something nefarious :crazy:
I like it (your ditty)...but supposedly the neighbor was out working in the yard. It does bother me that she borrowed a shovel...I can't for the life of me figure out why so I'm putting it out of my mind.
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:44 AM
She would be dirty, so where did she clean up?
Why did she have boots in the car?
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:45 AM
I may be in the wrong time zone but you're on a differnt calendar. We make a good pair.
LOL...I wondered why the confusion, I looked at it, but wrong month! he he...oh well! I will learn from my error!
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:45 AM
i can see her now trying to verify if a neighbor is home or not.
"KNOCK KNOCK"
person comes to the door
can i borrow a .........darn it #$&()$&#*&$&$*#* shovel ?
>thinking to herself<
"someone is home"
DARN IT DARN IT DARN IT
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 12:45 AM
He didn't have a job until- IIRC- about a week before Casey was reported missing. Then someone here posted that at the bond meeting he was supposed to start that day. I don't remember that, but will try and go back and listen again.
I thought it was mentioned by him, in regard to the 15th when she Casey was picked up that he went to work, to clear his head on the urging of Cindy. Not sure if he came home for a while, do know he was said to be at the house when Lee showed up before Casey and Cindy arrived home. He told Lee he was worried about Cindy. I had the impression he had a fairly new job.
MitchLite
08-13-2008, 12:45 AM
And here I thought it was some kind of orthopedic office...my brain is fried!
thats what I recall it being, an orthopedic office but that she worked in administration
He didn't have a job until- IIRC- about a week before Casey was reported missing. Then someone here posted that at the bond meeting he was supposed to start that day. I don't remember that, but will try and go back and listen again.
That's right RR, at the bond hearing Cindy talked about George's new job. I THINK she said George had just started on that Monday, and the 911 calls happened the next day.
blondietx
08-13-2008, 12:46 AM
He didn't have a job until- IIRC- about a week before Casey was reported missing. Then someone here posted that at the bond meeting he was supposed to start that day. I don't remember that, but will try and go back and listen again.
That was before the revised timeline was announced on Greta!
Casey & Caylee were last seen by George on 6/16 at 12:50, right before he went to work...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:46 AM
ahaaaaaaaaa
but you see, if her house had all kinds of sugar - then why would she need to borrow sugar
the shed was locked - the perfect excuse
She could have just as easily said..
"Hi, can I borrow your child, I lost mine"...
Even if she tells the truth, no one would believe her at this point.
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:46 AM
I like it (your ditty)...but supposedly the neighbor was out working in the yard. It does bother me that she borrowed a shovel...I can't for the life of me figure out why so I'm putting it out of my mind.
hmmmmm this might be a wrench in my shovel trick
unless the neighbor was out working and then went inside for a bit to get some iced tea and casey didnt know if they had left the house
rozey
08-13-2008, 12:47 AM
Robotdog, I really think that may be closer than we think to the truth. Checking to see if they were home.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 12:47 AM
Why did she have boots in the car?
Those may be the boots she wore from the night at the club, there was also a pair of boots.
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:47 AM
She could have just as easily said..
"Hi, can I borrow your child, I lost mine"...
Even if she tells the truth, no one would believe her at this point.
:eek::eek::eek:
LOL
blondietx
08-13-2008, 12:47 AM
I thought it was mentioned by him, in regard to the 15th when she Casey was picked up that he went to work, to clear his head on the urging of Cindy. Not sure if he came home for a while, do know he was said to be at the house when Lee showed up before Casey and Cindy arrived home. He told Lee he was worried about Cindy. I had the impression he had a fairly new job.
I think he did have a new job but he was going to work, somewhere, on 6/16 and again on 6/24...according to him in his recent interviews.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:47 AM
I wonder if they used a metal detector in the back yard. Maybe that is where she buried the missing cell phone so no one could find it? JMO
wouldn't suprise me, and could be why the dogs hit there, if she had been handling her body she could've left traces behind. IDK, could be way far fetched, but what else isn't in this case?
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:48 AM
It wqs reported on Greta last night by Mark Furhman.....don't know who the source was.
I thought it was mentioned by him, in regard to the 15th when she Casey was picked up that he went to work, to clear his head on the urging of Cindy. Not sure if he came home for a while, do know he was said to be at the house when Lee showed up before Casey and Cindy arrived home. He told Lee he was worried about Cindy. I had the impression he had a fairly new job.
Lee stated that George actually called him and said "I'm worried about your mother" As in come over. Lee did and was there when Cindy came back from grabbing Casey by the ear at Tony's to make her come home and answer some questions and produce Caylee. George also mentioned something about the car to Lee in the phone call.
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:49 AM
Robotdog, I really think that may be closer than we think to the truth. Checking to see if they were home.
i really do think it was something along those lines also
to borrow a shovel for an hour makes ZERO SENSE
she always seems to be up to something other than the OBVIOUS
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:49 AM
well the 18th is a Friday, not a wednesday, so I supposed that was what you meant. sorry for the confusion.
Okay NOW my brain is officially FRIED...I was looking at JULY and not JUNE...MAN sorry....I must be sleep typing.
June 18th was a Wednesday. I saw a concert on Friday June 20th that's how I know.
PS- pretty soon we'll all be ready for a padded room!
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:49 AM
Maybe I'm giving someone too much credit but I just have this feeling she didn't dig in the yard. I wonder if when LE went there if they noted any fresh soil over turned.
JBean
08-13-2008, 12:49 AM
He didn't have a job until- IIRC- about a week before Casey was reported missing. Then someone here posted that at the bond meeting he was supposed to start that day. I don't remember that, but will try and go back and listen again.
Do you have the link to Cindy's testimony at the bond hearing? I can only find George.
I want to listen to her explantion about the date date change again. IIRC, she made it sound as though her date error and casey's date error were independent of one another. If true that makes it a really odd coinky dink that they both made the same date mistake. She talked about it at the very beginning of her testimony.
SouthernMom
08-13-2008, 12:49 AM
Why did she have boots in the car?
All party girls have a pair of dressy boots. Possibly the boots in the pictures from the 20th.
MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 12:50 AM
All party girls have a pair of dressy boots. Possibly the boots in the pictures from the 20th.
Hey those went up to her knee's PERFECT for diggin LOL
thats what I recall it being, an orthopedic office but that she worked in administration
She works for Gentiva Health Services. They are a big corporation with home health agencies around the country.
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:50 AM
Why did she have boots in the car?
I think she was a couch critter. That's what we called it when we would go to a friend's to spend the night somewhere. I don't think she was staying at any one particular place on a continual basis, just here and there, so her boots and clothes being in the car isn't unusual.
Though, my 19 y/o daughter lives at home with us and she keeps shoes and such in her car. She's always on the go between work and her beaux's.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:51 AM
On Nancy Grace today, she said that LE states that the shovel was borrowed on June 17th, and the car backing up into the driveway was on June 18th, so the shovel borrowing and car backing into driveway were on two separate occasions.
I originally thought Casey may have borrowed the shovel to bury Caylee in the backyard. But, in light of this new information, Casey may have buried some sort of evidence other than the body. Clothing perhaps? Something! I think she had second thoughts about leaving anything buried in her parents backyard, and went back later and dug it up.
Oooo...that's very interesting. I didn't know that that info had been updated.
Thanks.
shannon718
08-13-2008, 12:51 AM
Sorry. I somehow mulit quoted you CHECK. I don't know how I did it as when I want to do it I cant quite figure it out.
But you are correct. George just started that job ...it was in the bond hearing.
SeriouslySearching
08-13-2008, 12:51 AM
Blink mentioned earlier on that there was a shovel seen in Cindy's garage during an interview or during a pan of their property. Strange that Casey had access to the garage area if George's account on the 24th is correct and she came in through that door. So if they kept one in garage, it makes no sense that she borrowed one anyway.
You may not be so far off about that "cup of sugar" thing and it popped into her head because of the locked shed. Interesting.
JBean
08-13-2008, 12:52 AM
LOL...I wondered why the confusion, I looked at it, but wrong month! he he...oh well! I will learn from my error!
I'm quoting the timeline in dog years so don't feel bad.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 12:53 AM
hmmmmm this might be a wrench in my shovel trick
unless the neighbor was out working and then went inside for a bit to get some iced tea and casey didnt know if they had left the house
The shovel may not be related to anything but getting the gas cans for the gas by breaking the lock. Neighbor said mid Jun shed broken into between 22-24th reported by George at 10 AM on the 24th. Cans returned same day around 1 PM. We have her digging on the day the shovel was requested. This may not coincide with the actual time. IMO
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:53 AM
I think he did have a new job but he was going to work, somewhere, on 6/16 and again on 6/24...according to him in his recent interviews.
Could he then have been starting a NEW job? When we first started discussing this case we assumed he may have been unemployed for a while...hence the book Casey was going to give her dad. I'd like to know what his work history has been since leaving LE. I'd also like to know why he didn't pursue that in Florida.
SouthernMom
08-13-2008, 12:53 AM
Maybe I'm giving someone too much credit but I just have this feeling she didn't dig in the yard. I wonder if when LE went there if they noted any fresh soil over turned.
It wouldn't have been fresh a month later. FWIW, a lot of folks work in their yards year round in FL. I have a friend that walks her yard every evening looking for unwanted weeds to pull. She's always doing yardwork.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:53 AM
June 18th was a Wednesday. I saw a concert on Friday June 20th that's how I know.
PS- pretty soon we'll all be ready for a padded room!
Yeah I realized that and appologized, I was looking at the July calender instead of June. I am sorry for the confusion.:crazy:
Angelray
08-13-2008, 12:53 AM
wouldn't suprise me, and could be why the dogs hit there, if she had been handling her body she could've left traces behind. IDK, could be way far fetched, but what else isn't in this case?
Very true, everything is far fetched, but just cant see someone losing one of those phones. My son flipped when he lost his cheap phone and back tracked every step till he found it. I know that phone would be expensive and Lee has looked everywhere for it... or like someone said could be other evidence she buried.
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:54 AM
Do you have the link to Cindy's testimony at the bond hearing? I can only find George.
I want to listen to her explantion about the date date change again. IIRC, she made it sound as though her date error and casey's date error were independent of one another. If true that makes it a really odd coinky dink that they both made the same date mistake. She talked about it at the very beginning of her testimony.
Sure...I'll go try to find it. BRB
impatientredhead
08-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Ya know I bet something comes out about that being a lie...I just don't see anyone shacking up with a girl and her 3 year old..especially not someone in their 20's who have known each other that short period of time...I have a gut feeling about that one.
She wasn't moving in with Tony. She planned to move in with Amy, plans were seemingly delayed (see myspace postings), Casey refers to the move in with the girls coming up, then she refers to not being able to wait to get Amy moved in (implying Casey is at the new place), and then there is discussion of Amy still not being there on the 24th, to which Casey says she hasn't been staying there for 9 days DRAAAMA, which puts us back on the 16th.
Casey was bouncing around while she was gone, and refers to Tony's place as her central location when talking to Lee on the phone. Tony tells the police that Casey moved in with Amy on the 9th.
blondietx
08-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Blink mentioned earlier on that there was a shovel seen in Cindy's garage during an interview or during a pan of their property. Strange that Casey had access to the garage area if George's account on the 24th is correct and she came in through that door. So if they kept one in garage, it makes no sense that she borrowed one anyway.
You may not be so far off about that "cup of sugar" thing and it popped into her head because of the locked shed. Interesting.
Another thing I wondered is since she broke into the shed to steal the gas cans on 6/22 or so, couldn't she just as easily broken into the shed to use the shovel on 6/17 or whatever day it is that she needed it so badly? I mean, not like she couldn't lie her way out of it if her parents questioned her about it. She was digging up bamboo so Caylee wouldn't hurt her feet. give me a break...
CanManEh
08-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Ok RR but you know something has happened and u know u caused your daughters dissapearance and its gonna catch up to u soon enough wouldnt u wanna ask for maybe a cup of sugar in stead of a SHOVEL. lol i mean dont u think looking back at it if it was a ruse as i think your suggesting a shovel may draw some attention more so then say can i borrow something that no one is gonna use later on to think u may have used it to barry your daughter..JMO
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 12:56 AM
I'm quoting the timeline in dog years so don't feel bad.
:clap::clap::clap: I'm so tired, I am suprised I even it put together the in the first place! :bang:
JBean
08-13-2008, 12:56 AM
Sure...I'll go try to find it. BRB
thank you very much
RR0004
08-13-2008, 12:57 AM
She works for Gentiva Health Services. They are a big corporation with home health agencies around the country.
Yes...I remember that name now...thought it was a weird sounding name...can she perform nursing duities inside one of their offices?
mamaks5
08-13-2008, 12:57 AM
She wasn't moving in with Tony. She planned to move in with Amy, plans were seemingly delayed (see myspace postings), Casey refers to the move in with the girls coming up, then she refers to not being able to wait to get Amy moved in (implying Casey is at the new place), and then there is discussion of Amy still not being there on the 24th, to which Casey says she hasn't been staying there for 9 days DRAAAMA, which puts us back on the 16th.
Casey was bouncing around while she was gone, and refers to Tony's place as her central location when talking to Lee on the phone. Tony tells the police that Casey moved in with Amy on the 9th.
This part confuses me because she was still home until after fathers day.
MIMI2
08-13-2008, 12:58 AM
She could have just as easily said..
"Hi, can I borrow your child, I lost mine"...
Even if she tells the truth, no one would believe her at this point.
OK that was funny....:biglaugh:
robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:58 AM
Ok RR but you know something has happened and u know u caused your daughters dissapearance and its gonna catch up to u soon enough wouldnt u wanna ask for maybe a cup of sugar in stead of a SHOVEL. lol i mean dont u think looking back at it if it was a ruse as i think your suggesting a shovel may draw some attention more so then say can i borrow something that no one is gonna use later on to think u may have used it to barry your daughter..JMO
well, looking to borrow sugar from a neighbor when your own kitchen and pantry have 4 pounds of it, is more suspicious i think
borrowing a shovel when your OWN shed is locked looks less supscious to me
but i hear ya.......i cant explain her crazy way of thinking :crazy:
MitchLite
08-13-2008, 12:59 AM
Does anyone have or remember the date that the neighbors said the pavers were placed in the back yard?
liltigress
08-13-2008, 12:59 AM
I'd say, yes, Casey originally borrowed the shovel to dig with. Maybe her intentions were to bury Caylee but the effort was too much. Maybe she even thought about her dogs, and as morbid as it sounds, the thought might have crossed her mind that the dogs would dig up whatever was buried, so she changed her mind and used the shovel to break the shed open and get the gas cans instead.
I really hate my own thoughts sometimes.
JBean
08-13-2008, 01:00 AM
well, looking to borrow sugar from a neighbor when your own kitchen and pantry have 4 pounds of it, is more suspicious i think
borrowing a shovel when your OWN shed is locked looks less supscious to me
but i hear ya.......i cant explain her crazy way of thinking :crazy:Maybe she should have borrowed a shovelful of sugar to cover all the bases.
tttterri
08-13-2008, 01:01 AM
She possibly used the shovel to loosen the pavers behind the playhouse or under the playhouse. Im not sure how the playhouse was sat on them or in front of them but I saw LE with them piled up behind the area where the playhouse seemed to have sat. It was moved when I saw it on the news. When I asked my men if you could use a borrowed shovel to break off a lock, they looked at me and said, well gee, why not borrow a bolt cutter instead? but then, now I see the reports seem to not really be saying that a padlock was or wasnt cut off so I dont know anymore either.
Yes...I remember that name now...thought it was a weird sounding name...can she perform nursing duities inside one of their offices?
Well, they don't do health care in the office. The nurses go to the patients homes to care for them. The way I understand it, Cindy doesn't do hands-on patient care. She is a case manager, meaning she oversees paperwork, makes sure things are getting done according to Medicare guidelines, etc. Basically a desk job.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:02 AM
I'd say, yes, Casey originally borrowed the shovel to dig with. Maybe her intentions were to bury Caylee but the effort was too much. Maybe she even thought about her dogs, and as morbid as it sounds, the thought might have crossed her mind that the dogs would dig up whatever was buried, so she changed her mind and used the shovel to break the shed open and get the gas cans instead.
I really hate my own thoughts sometimes.
Borrowed shovel on the 17th, per neighbor.
Backed car into the garage on the 18th, per neighbor.
Broke into the shed sometime between the 22nd and 24th, per George.
I don't think she used the shovel to break into the shed, if the above timeline is correct...and please correct me about that...I'm still trying to put it together.
redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 01:02 AM
maybe she should have borrowed a shovelful of sugar to cover all the bases.
lmao!!!
SeriouslySearching
08-13-2008, 01:02 AM
This part confuses me because she was still home until after fathers day.Casey was home when she wasn't partying and it was "convenient" for her to be home. With Cindy and George both working it makes me wonder where Cindy THOUGHT Casey was leaving Caylee if she believed that Casey was working. Cindy would have wanted to know every last detail of that arrangement....which brings me to Holly. Someone like that would be a friend of the family and not just Casey's random friend. Cindy wouldn't allow it, imo.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:03 AM
Sure...I'll go try to find it. BRB
Cindy may have phrased it that way but she cannot change Casey's story and sworn statement to LE, thus far Casey has not budged on Jun 9th. So Jun 9th it for Casey.
robotdog
08-13-2008, 01:03 AM
Maybe she should have borrowed a shovelful of sugar to cover all the bases.
yep
should have tried borrowing a soul
MommaD
08-13-2008, 01:03 AM
Ok .. Out on a limb here but I am lurking 24/7 on here.. and most times I see someone else post what I am saying or asking behind the scene here.. Haven't heard if neighbor saw Caylee when borrowing shovel.. wouldn't Casey of taken her with her to neighbors?? I wouldnt of left a 3 yr alone .. and who takes the baby to sitters to just go to mom and dads to dig up bamboo?? further more why dig up bamboo if not living there with the baby??? One of the video's show le digging around some flowers.. also I hope I am not the only one who caught Cindy saying that Casey was the type to think ahead.. the what if's... example cindy gave was Casey had on her all the time an extra set of car keys in her pocket in case they got locked out of car.. Cindy saying she was just always thinking what could happen.. I am shocked at the statements these parents have made ... I haven't seen the other thing Gp said this week either.. last week it was getting thru the week to Caylee's bd. now he said something good is happening this week... ok sorry so long I am back to lurking now.. ss so long .
liltigress
08-13-2008, 01:04 AM
Borrowed shovel on the 17th, per neighbor.
Backed car into the garage on the 18th, per neighbor.
Broke into the shed sometime between the 22nd and 24th, per George.
I don't think she used the shovel to break into the shed, if the above timeline is correct...and please correct me about that...I'm still trying to put it together.
You're correct as far as I know. It was before we knew the exact date of the shovel borrowing that we speculated she may have used the shovel to break into the shed.
impatientredhead
08-13-2008, 01:04 AM
This part confuses me because she was still home until after fathers day.
There are several references on the board but nothing I can link as an outside source that Casey actually left on the 9th and was out and about with friends. Speculation on whether Cindy had Caylee during this time, and then Casey comes home Father's Day weekend, the fight that the neighbor hears (over Casey being more interested in clubbing than mothering?) happens, next day her and Caylee leave, Caylee not seen again.
CanManEh
08-13-2008, 01:04 AM
i gotta appologise as i was writing to the last message i could see 10 more poped up after i pressed post making my post out to look like whats this guy on..haha
not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 01:04 AM
So she came on on the 18th and borrowed a shovel to go to the back yard for less than an hour to dig up bamboo?
Yeah, that seems like something every 22-year-old party girl I know would do.
:crazy: :p
Well, the only other option id that she used it to bury it a body. that would take more than an hour. In my experience as a 22 year old party girl.
MitchLite
08-13-2008, 01:04 AM
She possibly used the shovel to loosen the pavers behind the playhouse or under the playhouse. Im not sure how the playhouse was sat on them or in front of them but I saw LE with them piled up behind the area where the playhouse seemed to have sat. It was moved when I saw it on the news. When I asked my men if you could use a borrowed shovel to break off a lock, they looked at me and said, well gee, why not borrow a bolt cutter instead? but then, now I see the reports seem to not really be saying that a padlock was or wasnt cut off so I dont know anymore either.
thats why I just asked about the pavers and the date they were put down........I thought somone said over the weekend of july 4th????
I just never understood this part of the story. I thought it was brought up in the bond hearing that they were behind in there mortgage........possible in forclosure????
Why would they spend money to work on the back yard? Is it possible that Casey did bury something........an outfit the child wore when she died? Blood on bed sheets?
Salem
08-13-2008, 01:05 AM
Blink mentioned earlier on that there was a shovel seen in Cindy's garage during an interview or during a pan of their property. Strange that Casey had access to the garage area if George's account on the 24th is correct and she came in through that door. So if they kept one in garage, it makes no sense that she borrowed one anyway.
You may not be so far off about that "cup of sugar" thing and it popped into her head because of the locked shed. Interesting.
My question is: was Casey alone? If someone was with Casey and they didn't want the neighbor (that was working in the yard) to see them or see what they were doing, Casey may have gone for the shovel to get the neighbor away from the location where the neighbor could see what was happening in the Anthony yard? A diversion........
Salem
robotdog
08-13-2008, 01:05 AM
Ok .. Out on a limb here but I am lurking 24/7 on here.. and most times I see someone else post what I am saying or asking behind the scene here.. Haven't heard if neighbor saw Caylee when borrowing shovel.. wouldn't Casey of taken her with her to neighbors?? I wouldnt of left a 3 yr alone .. and who takes the baby to sitters to just go to mom and dads to dig up bamboo?? further more why dig up bamboo if not living there with the baby??? One of the video's show le digging around some flowers.. also I hope I am not the only one who caught Cindy saying that Casey was the type to think ahead.. the what if's... example cindy gave was Casey had on her all the time an extra set of car keys in her pocket in case they got locked out of car.. Cindy saying she was just always thinking what could happen.. I am shocked at the statements these parents have made ... I haven't seen the other thing Gp said this week either.. last week it was getting thru the week to Caylee's bd. now he said something good is happening this week... ok sorry so long I am back to lurking now.. ss so long .
one would think she would have brought her daughter with her to neighbors
but i she was already dead -
so that explains that
i think
txsvicki
08-13-2008, 01:05 AM
Maybe Casey used the borrowed shovel for some digging on the 17th, and then used the family shovel on the 22nd when she broke into the shed and also took gas. Two sets of digging. I still wonder about the wooded bamboo looking area that is directly behind the Anthony home.
rozey
08-13-2008, 01:05 AM
Cindy may have phrased it that way but she cannot change Casey's story and sworn statement to LE, thus far Casey has not budged on Jun 9th. So Jun 9th it for Casey.
But, tonight Baez said that Casey didn't make all those statements to police. The statements they released are wrong. WTH. Now we have imagistatements.
MommaShark
08-13-2008, 01:06 AM
Does anyone have or remember the date that the neighbors said the pavers were placed in the back yard?
Fourth of July weekend.
She wasn't moving in with Tony. She planned to move in with Amy, plans were seemingly delayed (see myspace postings), Casey refers to the move in with the girls coming up, then she refers to not being able to wait to get Amy moved in (implying Casey is at the new place), and then there is discussion of Amy still not being there on the 24th, to which Casey says she hasn't been staying there for 9 days DRAAAMA, which puts us back on the 16th.
Casey was bouncing around while she was gone, and refers to Tony's place as her central location when talking to Lee on the phone. Tony tells the police that Casey moved in with Amy on the 9th.
I know that many, many threads ago, there was a theory discussed that maybe Amy was moving into Casey's parents' house. Did that idea get nixed?
robotdog
08-13-2008, 01:07 AM
My question is: was Casey alone? If someone was with Casey and they didn't want the neighbor (that was working in the yard) to see them or see what they were doing, Casey may have gone for the shovel to get the neighbor away from the location where the neighbor could see what was happening in the Anthony yard? A diversion........
Salem
i think the neighbor is lucky that she didnt strike the neighbor in the head with the shovel and killed him
im serious
because, she might have blamed the neighbor for harming the baby and the mother of the year had to protect the baby
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:07 AM
Casey was home when she wasn't partying and it was "convenient" for her to be home. With Cindy and George both working it makes me wonder where Cindy THOUGHT Casey was leaving Caylee if she believed that Casey was working. Cindy would have wanted to know every last detail of that arrangement....which brings me to Holly. Someone like that would be a friend of the family and not just Casey's random friend. Cindy wouldn't allow it, imo.
Casey was in and out of the house, if we call moving some where on her very own surely Cindy would have visited or you would think. The whole fact that she was at the house allegedly on the 24th getting a change of clothes speaks for itself. Now what about Stephanie? She had a picture of herself with Caylee taken a while back saying Holando on Jesus Ortiz's myspace page. Holando
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:07 AM
Ok .. Out on a limb here but I am lurking 24/7 on here.. and most times I see someone else post what I am saying or asking behind the scene here.. Haven't heard if neighbor saw Caylee when borrowing shovel.. wouldn't Casey of taken her with her to neighbors?? I wouldnt of left a 3 yr alone .. and who takes the baby to sitters to just go to mom and dads to dig up bamboo?? further more why dig up bamboo if not living there with the baby??? One of the video's show le digging around some flowers.. also I hope I am not the only one who caught Cindy saying that Casey was the type to think ahead.. the what if's... example cindy gave was Casey had on her all the time an extra set of car keys in her pocket in case they got locked out of car.. Cindy saying she was just always thinking what could happen.. I am shocked at the statements these parents have made ... I haven't seen the other thing Gp said this week either.. last week it was getting thru the week to Caylee's bd. now he said something good is happening this week... ok sorry so long I am back to lurking now.. ss so long .
All EXCELLENT questions...for Cindy to think that anyone believed her excuse for the shovel is ludicrous. Don't go back to lurking...good post!
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:08 AM
Do you have the link to Cindy's testimony at the bond hearing? I can only find George.
I want to listen to her explantion about the date date change again. IIRC, she made it sound as though her date error and casey's date error were independent of one another. If true that makes it a really odd coinky dink that they both made the same date mistake. She talked about it at the very beginning of her testimony.
Here you go: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:08 AM
Cindy may have phrased it that way but she cannot change Casey's story and sworn statement to LE, thus far Casey has not budged on Jun 9th. So Jun 9th it for Casey.
Yes but Check...during the 911 call Casey states "I haven't seen my daughter in 31 days" If you count back from the day of the 911 call 31 days brings you right back to June 16th....
As far as I know Cindy said the 9th because she associated that Sunday with Caylee to be during her vacation time.
It was only until LE pointed out that the video was taken on the 15th that Cindy realized her "misstatement" or whatever it is.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:09 AM
I know that many, many threads ago, there was a theory discussed that maybe Amy was moving into Casey's parents' house. Did that idea get nixed?
Amy told LE Casey was living with her since Jun 9th. I do think they were planning on moving to another location.
Salem
08-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Cindy may have phrased it that way but she cannot change Casey's story and sworn statement to LE, thus far Casey has not budged on Jun 9th. So Jun 9th it for Casey.
I don't understand this? Casey said 31 days. Where did Casey say June 9th?
Thanks,
Salem
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Well, they don't do health care in the office. The nurses go to the patients homes to care for them. The way I understand it, Cindy doesn't do hands-on patient care. She is a case manager, meaning she oversees paperwork, makes sure things are getting done according to Medicare guidelines, etc. Basically a desk job.
OK...so I guess Wednesday could be her day off (?)
TravelingBug
08-13-2008, 01:10 AM
I actually think she borrowed the shovel because it gave her an excuse for why she was there.
If things had been tense at home when she left, it provided a good reason to be there...(in her mind)...because this was a "for Caylee" reason and even if things had been strained with her and the fam, they probably wouldn't be upset if it was a Caylee "thing."
If she went to the house and saw the neighbor out, that might mean her folks would hear from the neighbor they'd seen her.
Borrow the shovel, look like a good daughter both being helpful and keeping her eye out for her daughter's well-being, mom and dad might not think it's odd she was there...especially once Caylee turned up missing.
Borrowing sugar or something her mom would know that they had it...but needing to shovel and saying the shed was locked (despite the one in the garage) was a "safe" story that mom couldn't argue with or know was wrong.
blondietx
08-13-2008, 01:10 AM
Maybe Casey used the borrowed shovel for some digging on the 17th, and then used the family shovel on the 22nd when she broke into the shed and also took gas. Two sets of digging. I still wonder about the wooded bamboo looking area that is directly behind the Anthony home.
Could very well have happened that way. But why in the world involve the neighbor to begin with when you can (obviously) just break into mommy & daddy's shed without any repercussions?
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:11 AM
I don't understand this? Casey said 31 days. Where did Casey say June 9th?
Thanks,
Salem
She never said the 9th..Cindy did supposedly out of confusion. Casey said in the 911 call "I haven't seen my daughter in 31 days". If you count back from the call 31 days it brings us exactly back to June 16th.:waitasec:
MommaD
08-13-2008, 01:11 AM
the shed doesn't look damaged at all ... from greta's video.. and you lock the shed but not the gate.. even if Caylee couldnt get out ppl could get in.. all this is so ify.. don't they see ppl and le can see thru all the bs from them.. safety for one thing but not the other.. gggrrrrr
tttterri
08-13-2008, 01:12 AM
I'm too sleepy to know anything after this time of night. Good night all. I always hate to go to bed because when I get up, this thread will be pages long and in the history and a new thread to get caught up on also added! Keep it hopping sleuths, I'm outta here!
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:12 AM
the shed doesn't look damaged at all ... from greta's video.. and you lock the shed but not the gate.. even if Caylee couldnt get out ppl could get in.. all this is so ify.. don't they see ppl and le can see thru all the bs from them.. safety for one thing but not the other.. gggrrrrr
good point....I never thought she used that shovel for anything other than the premise of digging. I think she just abandoned the idea and went about it another way.
OK...so I guess Wednesday could be her day off (?)
I would think she probably worked Mon-Fri, but I really have no idea:)
impatientredhead
08-13-2008, 01:14 AM
good point....I never thought she used that shovel for anything other than the premise of digging. I think she just abandoned the idea and went about it another way.
I think this is the most simple and probable reason.
liltigress
08-13-2008, 01:14 AM
I'm still thinking how stupid it is for this time line:
George saw Casey and Caylee leave June 16th at 12:50.
Casey said she took Caylee to the nanny between 9 and 1.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:14 AM
Borrowed shovel on the 17th, per neighbor.
Backed car into the garage on the 18th, per neighbor.
Broke into the shed sometime between the 22nd and 24th, per George.
I don't think she used the shovel to break into the shed, if the above timeline is correct...and please correct me about that...I'm still trying to put it together.
I have not seen either the 17th or 18th actually reported, especially in LE disclosure at least thus. Have I missed something? I know George said things in the shed were fine because he was in there in the AM on Sunday Jun 22nd. Need to re-check how he stated in the shed.
blondietx
08-13-2008, 01:14 AM
Do you have the link to Cindy's testimony at the bond hearing? I can only find George.
I want to listen to her explantion about the date date change again. IIRC, she made it sound as though her date error and casey's date error were independent of one another. If true that makes it a really odd coinky dink that they both made the same date mistake. She talked about it at the very beginning of her testimony.
Good point. What did you find? Too tired to read it myself! :) I find that interesting - as if they had discussed the timeline beforehand?!
shemc
08-13-2008, 01:14 AM
Very true, everything is far fetched, but just cant see someone losing one of those phones. My son flipped when he lost his cheap phone and back tracked every step till he found it. I know that phone would be expensive and Lee has looked everywhere for it... or like someone said could be other evidence she buried.
Hhmmm.... buried it, could be. Didn't make sense that she lost it so matter-of-factly.
I would like to know LE is going to check cindy's land-line phone calls to see if Casey called anyone from that phone.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:15 AM
I'm still thinking how stupid it is for this time line:
George saw Casey and Caylee leave June 16th at 12:50.
Casey said she took Caylee to the nanny between 9 and 1.
On what date? June the 9th not on Jun the 16th, right?
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:16 AM
You're correct as far as I know. It was before we knew the exact date of the shovel borrowing that we speculated she may have used the shovel to break into the shed.
Oh god. It just hit me. This could explain it, but it's only my wacky idea.
Casey died on the 16th, possibly at the house. Of the calls, none go to the house during the 4-4:30 "flurry." So possibly something happened to Caylee between 1:30 and 4:00. Caylee's body may have been at the house on the 16th, overnight until the 17th.
So, let's say Casey killed Caylee at the house and then hid Caylee's body at the house or in the yard on the 16th.
On the 17th...she borrows the shovel and buries Caylee in the back yard.
Then, overnight, worry that someone might find her.
On the 18th, backs into the driveway, goes to the back yard and pulls Caylee out of the ground...it's easier to pull a body from dirt that's been replaced in a hole than to dig a hole. Takes her to the trunk and then to another place to dump her.
This would explain the dirt in the trunk, and other details.
I'm sure that there are 100 other explanations that are just as logical...this just hit me, though...quite heavily.
:(
blondietx
08-13-2008, 01:17 AM
I'm still thinking how stupid it is for this time line:
George saw Casey and Caylee leave June 16th at 12:50.
Casey said she took Caylee to the nanny between 9 and 1.
I've never understood how she didn't know for sure when she needed to be at her imaginary job that day! 4 hours?! Seriously... Not like she didn't have time to figure it out to be sure. Problem is, she didn't have any job that she went to that day to confirm the time! She obviously couldn't remember if she had slept until 9 or 1 that day...
Did I party the night before or not!??!
TravelingBug
08-13-2008, 01:18 AM
Did George say he USED the gas cans on the 22nd?
That date of theft came from him...he may have thought he saw them on the 22nd afternoon and then noticed them gone the 24th, but it seems that theoreticallly, like JG thinking he heard Caylee on the 24th, I wonder if George could have thought he had seen them, thus inadvertently not having the correct last date they were there, UNLESS he used them and could say for certain. Right?
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:18 AM
I'm still thinking how stupid it is for this time line:
George saw Casey and Caylee leave June 16th at 12:50.
Casey said she took Caylee to the nanny between 9 and 1.
THANK YOU! I said that earlier and its so indicitive of the way that Casey lies. She lies and lies and lies yet isn't even good at it. all of her lies are in the same vein where they are so easy to disprove or are downright ludicrous ie,
Amy stealing from herself in her sleep
The dog on the leash
Walking LE through Universal as if she worked there and then......Yeah..I don't work here.
She is unbelievable. :bang:
liltigress
08-13-2008, 01:18 AM
On what date? June the 9th not on Jun the 16th, right?
No, June 16th George said he saw Casey and Caylee leave the house with backpack at 12:50. George supposedly went to work after that at 2:30.
But Casey reports that the last time she saw her daughter was June 16th when she dropped her off in the stairwell at Sawgrass Apartments with the nanny between 9 and 1.
blondietx
08-13-2008, 01:19 AM
Oh god. It just hit me. This could explain it, but it's only my wacky idea.
Casey died on the 16th, possibly at the house. Of the calls, none go to the house during the 4-4:30 "flurry." So possibly something happened to Caylee between 1:30 and 4:00. Caylee's body may have been at the house on the 16th, overnight until the 17th.
So, let's say Casey killed Caylee at the house and then hid Caylee's body at the house or in the yard on the 16th.
On the 17th...she borrows the shovel and buries Caylee in the back yard.
Then, overnight, worry that someone might find her.
On the 18th, backs into the driveway, goes to the back yard and pulls Caylee out of the ground...it's easier to pull a body from dirt that's been replaced in a hole than to dig a hole. Takes her to the trunk and then to another place to dump her.
This would explain the dirt in the trunk, and other details.
I'm sure that there are 100 other explanations that are just as logical...this just hit me, though...quite heavily.
:(
OR puts her in the trunk overnight!?
I always thought it was interesting that Casey knew it had been exactly 31 days since she last saw Caylee. Especially since this family seems to have a terrible time with dates and times! It makes me think that every morning she was saying to herself "Okay, it's been 12 days since I got rid of Caylee and I haven't been caught yet". Then "Okay it's been 13 days...." and so on
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:20 AM
Good point. What did you find? Too tired to read it myself! :) I find that interesting - as if they had discussed the time line beforehand?!
A lot of oddness goin on but again Cindy testified for what Cindy knew and did and added info on Casey still does not alter Casey's recorded time line. Cindy cannot change Casey's time line. I find Casey sticking to her time line interesting.
not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 01:20 AM
I thought that per the Greta interview, Cindy said that the gas cans were in one shed and the gardening tools, which I assume includes shovels, were in another. Was the gardening shed harder to break into?
Why wouldn't she just wait and get the freakin keys to get to the gas? I'm sure she could have stolen the keys. If you can steal $45K you can steal a shed key. Even psychopaths have a pettern. I guess that's why I can't stick with a theory, there is absolutely no pattern to follow.
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:20 AM
On what date? June the 9th not on Jun the 16th, right?
16th. the 9th is no longer in play for quite a while from what I gather....: )
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:21 AM
I'm still thinking how stupid it is for this time line:
George saw Casey and Caylee leave June 16th at 12:50.
Casey said she took Caylee to the nanny between 9 and 1.
Well...if that's the case then the nanny lives within 10 minutes of the house. If she left on the 16th I think it was because of an argument and I think she was trying to figure out where she was going to stay next (phone calls). I find the rapid phone calls not of a frantic nature, but of a pissed off nature.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:21 AM
OR puts her in the trunk overnight!?
Well, she didn't back into the garage on the 17th...
That's why I think the body was somewhere at or near the house.
Now, after she pulled the body up from the hole on the 18th (when she backed the car in the garage), she might have let it sit in the trunk for no telling how long.
This is disgusting to think about, isn't it? :(
rozey
08-13-2008, 01:22 AM
The MyFoxOrlando page on the timeline link has the individual testimonies of the Anthony's at the bond hearing. If you already have it, just ignor. I can't paste the link for some reason.
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:22 AM
A lot of oddness goin on but again Cindy testified for what Cindy knew and did and added info on Casey still does not alter Casey's recorded time line. Cindy cannot change Casey's time line. I find Casey sticking to her time line interesting.
Especially because she was sooooo specific about the 31 days. The fact that she says 31 just always bothered me. It seems too exact especially for such a liar.
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:23 AM
Oh god. It just hit me. This could explain it, but it's only my wacky idea.
Casey died on the 16th, possibly at the house. Of the calls, none go to the house during the 4-4:30 "flurry." So possibly something happened to Caylee between 1:30 and 4:00. Caylee's body may have been at the house on the 16th, overnight until the 17th.
So, let's say Casey killed Caylee at the house and then hid Caylee's body at the house or in the yard on the 16th.
On the 17th...she borrows the shovel and buries Caylee in the back yard.
Then, overnight, worry that someone might find her.
On the 18th, backs into the driveway, goes to the back yard and pulls Caylee out of the ground...it's easier to pull a body from dirt that's been replaced in a hole than to dig a hole. Takes her to the trunk and then to another place to dump her.
This would explain the dirt in the trunk, and other details.
I'm sure that there are 100 other explanations that are just as logical...this just hit me, though...quite heavily.
:(
It makes sense to me. (and I've always been of the mindset that something happened around the 27th/28th)
Themis
08-13-2008, 01:23 AM
Oh god. It just hit me. This could explain it, but it's only my wacky idea.
Casey died on the 16th, possibly at the house. Of the calls, none go to the house during the 4-4:30 "flurry." So possibly something happened to Caylee between 1:30 and 4:00. Caylee's body may have been at the house on the 16th, overnight until the 17th.
So, let's say Casey killed Caylee at the house and then hid Caylee's body at the house or in the yard on the 16th.
On the 17th...she borrows the shovel and buries Caylee in the back yard.
Then, overnight, worry that someone might find her.
On the 18th, backs into the driveway, goes to the back yard and pulls Caylee out of the ground...it's easier to pull a body from dirt that's been replaced in a hole than to dig a hole. Takes her to the trunk and then to another place to dump her.
This would explain the dirt in the trunk, and other details.
I'm sure that there are 100 other explanations that are just as logical...this just hit me, though...quite heavily.
:(
What if Casey hid the body in the playhouse? The dogs alerted near the playhouse. Does the playhouse have a plastic floor? Are the floor panels removable from inside the playhouse?
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:24 AM
Well, she didn't back into the garage on the 17th...
That's why I think the body was somewhere at or near the house.
Now, after she pulled the body up from the hole on the 18th (when she backed the car in the garage), she might have let it sit in the trunk for no telling how long.
This is disgusting to think about, isn't it? :(
maybe hidden in the playhouse? : ( The dogs hit on the playhouse. I just have a hard time believing that she would take such a high risk though. I cant buy it.
liltigress
08-13-2008, 01:24 AM
What do you all think about maybe Casey actually forgot she had Caylee with her? I mean, she wasn't used to watching her and maybe she drove off somewhere and just completely forgot about her?
The so-called flurry of calls could have been to see who has Caylee? Like in some sort of panic before she realizes she was the last one with her? This would possibly only go along with a drowning scenario or Casey drugging Caylee.
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:24 AM
Well, she didn't back into the garage on the 17th...
That's why I think the body was somewhere at or near the house.
Now, after she pulled the body up from the hole on the 18th (when she backed the car in the garage), she might have let it sit in the trunk for no telling how long.
This is disgusting to think about, isn't it? :(
What was the date of the gate being open to the backyard and the ladder out at the pool...was it the 16th-17th?
blondietx
08-13-2008, 01:24 AM
Well, she didn't back into the garage on the 17th...
That's why I think the body was somewhere at or near the house.
Now, after she pulled the body up from the hole on the 18th (when she backed the car in the garage), she might have let it sit in the trunk for no telling how long.
This is disgusting to think about, isn't it? :(
Very disgusting.
She could have backed in because the neighbor was in the yard and she was in the trunk? Maybe she never tried to bury her in the backyard but buried evidence thus the hits from the dogs? Maybe Caylee was taken somewhere else?
just a thought...
technicalconfusion
08-13-2008, 01:25 AM
And don't you know that Tony's thinking now, "Thank God I dodged THAT bullet!"
Of course, he should have been clued in when a woman he had only met less than a month ago started moving her stuff into his house.
He needs to watch How to lose a man in 10 days.
Something tells me if it's an adult only office they're not open...don't drs. play golf on Wednesdays? (tee hee)...I'm thinking that's why she called home on the Wednesday...mom wouldn't be at work...dad didn't work then so they probably spent the day somewhere. I definitely think she was calling to see if anyone was home.
I take my mom to the doc at least twice a month, been doing it for years, on Wednesdays - all kinds of docs. She in her 80's so I think that qualifies her as an adult.
And most home health offices I'm familiar with are available 7 days a week - both to their employees and clients.
What ever happened to the cup o' sugar trick MODE???
That's so 50 years ago!
blondietx
08-13-2008, 01:25 AM
What was the date of the gate being open to the backyard and the ladder out at the pool...was it the 16th-17th?
I believe the 17th.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:25 AM
What if Casey hid the body in the playhouse? The dogs alerted near the playhouse. Does the playhouse have a plastic floor? Are the floor panels removable from inside the playhouse?
I don't know where the dogs hit in the back yard...I just know that they hit back there.
Yes, playhouses have plastic floors...but the things aren't heavy at all, adn you can easily lift one side of one, or slide it around.
shannon718
08-13-2008, 01:25 AM
What was the date of the gate being open to the backyard and the ladder out at the pool...was it the 16th-17th?
I believe Cindy said the 17th but then again Cindy says alot of things.,,,,
Marina2
08-13-2008, 01:26 AM
No, June 16th George said he saw Casey and Caylee leave the house with backpack at 12:50. George supposedly went to work after that at 2:30.
But Casey reports that the last time she saw her daughter was June 16th when she dropped her off in the stairwell at Sawgrass Apartments with the nanny between 9 and 1.
This is the point I was making in the thread where we got in trouble. I don't think Casey made a mistake in the time, 9a-1p; she wouldn't have given that time if she knew George saw her at 12:50. In the begining, George never said he saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. He only gave this story on Greta. I think that his story was fabricated but for what reason.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:26 AM
What was the date of the gate being open to the backyard and the ladder out at the pool...was it the 16th-17th?
I don't know...I think it was the 16th.
(And I don't know that I buy that story--because it came from Cindy.)
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:26 AM
What do you all think about maybe Casey actually forgot she had Caylee with her? I mean, she wasn't used to watching her and maybe she drove off somewhere and just completely forgot about her?
The so-called flurry of calls could have been to see who has Caylee? Like in some sort of panic before she realizes she was the last one with her? This would possibly only go along with a drowning scenario or Casey drugging Caylee.
I've threw out the "losing child" theory way back when. I thought it could be very possible that she was incapacitated and couldn't remember who she had handed Caylee off to.
I would think that if she left Caylee in the playhouse overnight, Cindy's dogs would have discovered her when they went outside. But maybe not...
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:27 AM
What I find interesting are statements, like the Jun 9th dte by Casey.
The pre-Jun 2nd sighting by neighbors at TonE's apt, which I do not recall, having Casey in the picture.
The Jun 13th dte with TonE's room mate sighting at TonE's apt. and who knows, who else.
The 12-14th sighting by Casey's friend Christine.
The 15th sighting with Cindy
Then the 16th sighting by George. All in Jun.
Themis
08-13-2008, 01:27 AM
I don't know where the dogs hit in the back yard...I just know that they hit back there.
Yes, playhouses have plastic floors...but the things aren't heavy at all, adn you can easily lift one side of one, or slide it around.
One of the places in the backyard the dogs hit was by the playhouse.
liltigress
08-13-2008, 01:28 AM
This is the point I was making in the thread where we got in trouble. I don't think Casey made a mistake in the time, 9a-1p; she wouldn't have given that time if she knew George saw her at 12:50. In the begining, George never said he saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. He only gave this story on Greta. I think that his story was fabricated but for what reason.
None of it makes sense, but I do think the 'wedge in the trunk with gas cans on the 24th' was fabricated.
JBean
08-13-2008, 01:28 AM
Cindy may have phrased it that way but she cannot change Casey's story and sworn statement to LE, thus far Casey has not budged on Jun 9th. So Jun 9th it for Casey.
yeah but Casey also said 31 days so we have a problem there. I think she might be lying.:bang:
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:28 AM
I believe the 17th.
Now that's very interesting. How is it all of these dates fall into place around the time Caylee goes missing? Way too many coincidences if you ask me. Maybe the reason why we also haven't seen the phone records for the 17th.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:29 AM
One of the places in the backyard the dogs hit was by the playhouse.
Wow. That fits.
This is the point I was making in the thread where we got in trouble. I don't think Casey made a mistake in the time, 9a-1p; she wouldn't have given that time if she knew George saw her at 12:50. In the begining, George never said he saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. He only gave this story on Greta. I think that his story was fabricated but for what reason.
I've thought that his story about the 16th (and the 24th) was fabricated, too. Mainly because it took him so long to tell that story. But, like you, I can't figure out his motive to make it up!
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:31 AM
I would think that if she left Caylee in the playhouse overnight, Cindy's dogs would have discovered her when they went outside. But maybe not...
Maybe she put Caylee in a garbage bag and thought that that would hold in the scent.
Stupid, I know, but this girl isn't an Einstein. :)
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:31 AM
None of it makes sense, but I do think the 'wedge in the trunk with gas cans on the 24th' was fabricated.
Well, we've discussed that George may have taken the story a bit too far...that he was really trying to just get Casey to open the trunk.
JBean
08-13-2008, 01:32 AM
This is the point I was making in the thread where we got in trouble. I don't think Casey made a mistake in the time, 9a-1p; she wouldn't have given that time if she knew George saw her at 12:50. In the begining, George never said he saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. He only gave this story on Greta. I think that his story was fabricated but for what reason.
I think in the beginning George was operating off of the 9th date given by Cindy. She does say in the bond hearing that George determined the last date he saw her by basing it off the last time Cindy saw her; which was incorrect.
Marina2
08-13-2008, 01:33 AM
I agree about the wedge story, totally fabricated IMO. I wonder what date Casey will give in court as to when she gave Caylee to the babysitter. She can't stick with the 9th. If she says the 16th, corresponding to the day after Cindy saw her, she will be calling her dad a lier.
blondietx
08-13-2008, 01:33 AM
One of the places in the backyard the dogs hit was by the playhouse.
Wow. That fits.
Which is also where the pavers are!!! Hmmmm.....
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:34 AM
I've thought that his story about the 16th (and the 24th) was fabricated, too. Mainly because it took him so long to tell that story. But, like you, I can't figure out his motive to make it up!
I've felt that most of their recollections since the 16th of July were pretty fabricated...
It seems like they're fixated on providing a defense for Casey (yet they tell us to get off our asses and go find CAylee...go figure.)
Let's see... the ladder by the pool story - setting up an accidental drowning defense.
George seeing the gas cans in the trunk on the 24th - establishing that there was no body or odor in the trunk on the 24th.
Oh, and myriad other explanations they've had for the evidence...including the squirrel-roadkill-maggot-pizza. :eek:
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:34 AM
Ok .. Out on a limb here but I am lurking 24/7 on here.. and most times I see someone else post what I am saying or asking behind the scene here.. Haven't heard if neighbor saw Caylee when borrowing shovel.. wouldn't Casey of taken her with her to neighbors?? I wouldnt of left a 3 yr alone .. and who takes the baby to sitters to just go to mom and dads to dig up bamboo?? further more why dig up bamboo if not living there with the baby??? One of the video's show le digging around some flowers.. also I hope I am not the only one who caught Cindy saying that Casey was the type to think ahead.. the what if's... example cindy gave was Casey had on her all the time an extra set of car keys in her pocket in case they got locked out of car.. Cindy saying she was just always thinking what could happen.. I am shocked at the statements these parents have made ... I haven't seen the other thing Gp said this week either.. last week it was getting thru the week to Caylee's bd. now he said something good is happening this week... ok sorry so long I am back to lurking now.. ss so long .
Don't stay away too long!
Themis
08-13-2008, 01:34 AM
I would think that if she left Caylee in the playhouse overnight, Cindy's dogs would have discovered her when they went outside. But maybe not...
I thought about the Anthony's dog(s), but they aren't cadaver dogs and the Anthonys might not be so sensitive as to check in detail as to why their little dog might be barking. Then again, their dog(s) might have reacted by hiding under a bed or something.
liltigress
08-13-2008, 01:35 AM
I've thought that his story about the 16th (and the 24th) was fabricated, too. Mainly because it took him so long to tell that story. But, like you, I can't figure out his motive to make it up!
I see a motive for the 24th, to establish a time frame for the gas cans being removed from the car, instead of the probable same date the car was brought home from the impound. If he admits they were removed the day they brought the car home, there could be a possible tampering charge.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:36 AM
I have not seen either the 17th or 18th actually reported, especially in LE disclosure at least thus. Have I missed something? I know George said things in the shed were fine because he was in there in the AM on Sunday Jun 22nd. Need to re-check how he stated in the shed.
Someone said that these dates have been adjusted by LE and reported on either Greta or NG.
Themis
08-13-2008, 01:36 AM
Do the Anthonys have a gardener or lawn service?
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:37 AM
But, tonight Baez said that Casey didn't make all those statements to police. The statements they released are wrong. WTH. Now we have imagistatements.
So he's calling LE a bunch of liars...as well as the phone company? OMG!
not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 01:37 AM
Alright this will be an odd post. You have been warned.
I am CAsey's age and I seem to think the same way she does. I laugh when I am nervous, even if other reactions are more appropriate. I have been perceived as cold hearted for not responding the eay people thought I should.
That said, I will make one thing clear, which is that I have three cildren and if someone had threatened their life the first person I would contact would be the police. And I would not have gone out partying.
Anyway, as a 22 year old who seems to think a bit along the same lines, I have wracked my brain trying to figure out where I would hide a body. I have not ever had the opportunity to find out, so this is speculation. Here is what I have come up with:
1. I would not go far from home. Even in panic mode, I would realize that there was no way I could get out of having a body in my car if I was caught.
2. I would travel at night. Daylight is just too revealing. Also if I had a lot of friends, one of them might recognize my car and stop me to talk.
3. I weigh about the same as Casey and I know that my large 2 year old gets really heavy after about 5 minutes when he is asleep. That whole dead weight thing. So I wouldn't go very far on foot with the body, even panicked I wouldn't be able to carry him more than 15 minutes.
4. After carrying a dead weight child and after the drain that panic puts on a person, I would not be in the mind to dig. I would find water or a readymade hole in the ground.
5. After having to find a spot and get the body there, I would not be thinking clearly enough to weigh the body down or cover it well, I would simply want to be rid of it.
Having said that, I am going to have a drink. This was difficult for me to write, as I have never even considered harming my children. (Although I have put myself in time out a few times.) So forcing myself to speculate on what I would do if I had killed one of my babies is very difficult.
I hope this helps as far as possible locations if Caylee is dead.
[QUOTE=QuickAttack;2492093]I've felt that most of their recollections since the 16th of July were pretty fabricated...
It seems like they're fixated on providing a defense for Casey (yet they tell us to get off our asses and go find CAylee...go figure.)
Right! And every time we get some new information from LE, there's suddenly a new story from the Anthony's that fits to the information, but was never told before!
BTW, has there been any more talk about Cindy's claim that Caylee also called her great-grandmother on July 15?
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:38 AM
I see a motive for the 24th, to establish a time frame for the gas cans being removed from the car, instead of the probable same date the car was brought home from the impound. If he admits they were removed the day they brought the car home, there could be a possible tampering charge.
See now that I'm inclined to agree with.
impatientredhead
08-13-2008, 01:38 AM
16th. the 9th is no longer in play for quite a while from what I gather....: )
According to Amy the 9th is when Casey started staying with her. That might be the reason both Casey and Cindy reference this date. Caylee may have last been seen on the 16th, but the drama started on the 9th.
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:39 AM
:crazy:Especially because she was sooooo specific about the 31 days. The fact that she says 31 just always bothered me. It seems too exact especially for such a liar.
Let me toss you another bone people. Casey never said when the clock on 31 days actually started ticking? Just because she dropped her off on Jun 9th does not make this day a certain, counting forward to Jun 15th. 31 days has also bothered me. There was a reason for that statement and it puts it right back to the day Cindy was with Caylee at the nursing home. I don't care what George said about the 16th. Until LE supports this change its hear say as is the 24th of June. George said the last time he saw Caylee was the 6th of June. This is all too weird.
QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 01:39 AM
Which is also where the pavers are!!! Hmmmm.....
Pry the pavers up, bury the child, then go back the next day, move the pavers, and pull the child out of the ground.
I hate this. But it could fit the timeline.
MommaD
08-13-2008, 01:39 AM
Did George cancel the report to le about cans when he found them in trunk on the 20something?? or just let report go till Caylee went missing ....???
CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:40 AM
According to Amy the 9th is when Casey started staying with her. That might be the reason both Casey and Cindy reference this date. Caylee may have last been seen on the 16th, but the drama started on the 9th.
Amy never saw Caylee
RR0004
08-13-2008, 01:40 AM
Alright this will be an odd post. You have been warned.
I am CAsey's age and I seem to think the same way she does. I laugh when I am nervous, even if other reactions are more appropriate. I have been perceived as cold hearted for not responding the eay people thought I should.
That said, I will make one thing clear, which is that I have three cildren and if someone had threatened their life the first person I would contact would be the police. And I would not have gone out partying.
Anyway, as a 22 year old who seems to think a bit along the same lines, I have wracked my brain trying to figure out where I would hide a body. I have not ever had the opportunity to find out, so this is speculation. Here is what I have come up with:
1. I would not go far from home. Even in panic mode, I would realize that there was no way I could get out of having a body in my car if I was caught.
2. I would travel at night. Daylight is just too revealing. Also if I had a lot of friends, one of them might recognize my car and stop me to talk.
3. I weigh about the same as Casey and I know that my large 2 year old gets really heavy after about 5 minutes when he is asleep. That whole dead weight thing. So I wouldn't go very far on foot with the body, even panicked I wouldn't be able to carry him more than 15 minutes.
4. After carrying a dead weight child and after the drain that panic puts on a person, I would not be in the mind to dig. I would find water or a readymade hole in the ground.
5. After having to find a spot and get the body there, I would not be thinking clearly enough to weigh the body down or cover it well, I would simply want to be rid of it.
Having said that, I am going to have a drink. This was difficult for me to write, as I have never even considered harming my children. (Although I have put myself in time out a few times.) So forcing myself to speculate on what I would do if I had killed one of my babies is very difficult.
I hope this helps as far as possible locations if Caylee is dead.
Wow...what a great post! Thank you!!
Themis
08-13-2008, 01:41 AM
I see a motive for the 24th, to establish a time frame for the gas cans being removed from the car, instead of the probable same date the car was brought home from the impound. If he admits they were removed the day they brought the car home, there could be a possible tampering charge. If George was just bringing this up in an interview that might be plausible. However, there was an actual police report dated June 24th reporting the gas cans stolen. So, there is corroboration.
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CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 01:42 AM
Did George cancel the report to le about cans when he found them in trunk on the 20something?? or just let report go till Caylee went missing ....???
He appeared to have let it go untill he stated it on national TV. Now I may be wrong but it was the very next day that LE went to their home with a search warrant. Need to ck LE info.
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