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CW
08-13-2008, 04:50 AM
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miss_vegemite
08-13-2008, 04:54 AM
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If you were locked up in prison, accused of child neglect, wouldn't you be screaming to be let out to find your daughter.....if you were innocent?

GameTheory
08-13-2008, 04:56 AM
If you were locked up in prison, accused of child neglect, wouldn't you be screaming to be let out to find your daughter.....if you were innocent?

Yes but we are talking about the same person who waited 31 before BEING FORCED to report her child missing. So why anyone expect her to act ''normally''?

CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 05:05 AM
True to both comments, heck I'm tired of getting confused. Seems the more we know the less we know. Plain wild I would say.

Waddles
08-13-2008, 05:10 AM
True to both comments, heck I'm tired of getting confused. Seems the more we know the less we know. Plain wild I would say.

exactly

I'm really hoping for a breakthrough soon

GameTheory
08-13-2008, 05:10 AM
Unless there is some breakthrough this week by the police or physical evidence (I do think they have enough evidence to suspect what happened but not enough to bring charges for now)....things does not look good for finding Caylee or find out exactly what happened. Not good at all.

I also think the police must have a pretty good idea of a motive right now or a trigger for an accident. I said from the beginning the relationship with the boyfriend was a trigger and we saw yesterday a report of an unstable relationship. I think Cayse was clinging on this boyfriend for dear life, inserting herself in his friends' circles, even with his family (message to sister), to his home, to his business place (promoting the club) but also business in general (remember the message about finding singers for her boyfriend?) :bang: The walls were closing on Casey. The money she stole from Amy are nothing compared to the debt she created on her parents' credit cards/accounts. No job, no roomate anymore to live with - don't tell me Amy was going to live with her after what she did, no job, no nanny. The police must have a pretty good idea about all of this.

But......where is Caylee? Where did she put her? I don't believe for a second she buried her someplace. She is too diva and ''ADD'' to do that. Not enough time, not enough privacy. But throw a 3 year old in a river, in a lake, in a DUMPSTER, would take her what? Like 5 minutes top? And if the physical evidence in the trunk are not so compelling right now it only means she placed the child there either in a bag, in a blanket, in a container. Is anything missing from the Anthony's house, the boyfriend's house, Amy's house? :bang::bang::bang::bang:

Waddles
08-13-2008, 05:17 AM
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The walls were closing on Casey. The money she stole from Amy are nothing compared to the debt she created on her parents' credit cards/accounts. No job, no roomate anymore to live with - don't tell me Amy was going to live with her after what she did, no job, no nanny. The police must have a pretty good idea about all of this.
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Is anything missing from the Anthony's house, the boyfriend's house, Amy's house? :bang::bang::bang::bang:

Yes, so assuming she's done this crime - then she goes and steals the money and maxes the credit cards -it's almost like she knew she was going down -that life as she knew it was over so she went haywire - am really wondering what's going through her mind there in jail-it's almost as if she doesn't even mind being there -as long as she doesn't have to deal with her family - this is all so bizarre, the whole thing

txsvicki
08-13-2008, 05:28 AM
I have a question about Tony's work. Was he in business for himself or did he work for someone else? Casey mentioned his business partners in on of the online messages to someone. I just wondered if she was lying about him to people.

CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 05:35 AM
We don't know about things missing from any of the houses you mentioned Game Theory. I was of the view that if Casey committed this act she would have been a bit more emotionally involved in just dumping the baby. The reason I say this, is due to the deep gazes between mother and child in various photo's. There was a deep emotional involvement shared between them. Discarding in a dumpster or lake without any thought, even subliminal as opposed to finding a safe resting place in a peaceful location, just does not do it for me. Maybe its just me but I just can't feel a discard without affection. Go ahead beat me up. Its my gut feeling

CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 05:37 AM
I have a question about Tony's work. Was he in business for himself or did he work for someone else? Casey mentioned his business partners in on of the online messages to someone. I just wondered if she was lying about him to people.
I think TonE may be part of the DBC group.

SweetDreamOfYou
08-13-2008, 05:45 AM
We don't know about things missing from any of the houses you mentioned Game Theory. I was of the view that if Casey committed this act she would have been a bit more emotionally involved in just dumping the baby. The reason I say this, is due to the deep gazes between mother and child in various photo's. There was a deep emotional involvement shared between them. Discarding in a dumpster or lake without any thought, even subliminal as opposed to finding a safe resting place in a peaceful location, just does not do it for me. Maybe its just me but I just can't feel a discard without affection. Go ahead beat me up. Its my gut feeling

ikeep thinking the same thing. seems to me casey would have left her somewhere safe, maybe somewhere they enjoyed being, just my opinion tho

Leila
08-13-2008, 05:48 AM
Unless there is some breakthrough this week by the police or physical evidence (I do think they have enough evidence to suspect what happened but not enough to bring charges for now)....things does not look good for finding Caylee or find out exactly what happened. Not good at all.


'snipped'

It was stated on the Nancy Grace program yesterday that LE has much more evidence than the hair strands, stain, and dirt found in the trunk of the car.

The investigation has been ongoing for 4 weeks now, and I believe that in that time LE has accumulated a lot of evidence from many and varied sources.

I think LE has a very good idea of what happened and when, but they still don't know where Caylee is. Assuming that Caylee is deceased, they don't have a body, and can't proceed with a murder charge. It could very well be an accidental death, which would be entirely different charges.

What I find really baffling is that Casey could be so transparent with her lies, and so obvious in abandoning a car that smelled like a decomposing body, yet has been able to conceal Caylee so well.

CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 05:50 AM
After Caylee was tucked away, nothing really mattered to Casey. Clues were left all over many in plain sight.

my2cents
08-13-2008, 06:05 AM
I think TonE may be part of the DBC group.

TonE, Dru, and Clint are/were partners in DBC. However, it doesn't look to be a "legitimate" business (like paying taxes and having a business license). There was nothing listing any of them as agents on sunbiz and nothing showed up for DBC. I may very well be missing something as I am not as good at this as you guys are :)

dreamfeather
08-13-2008, 06:07 AM
We don't know about things missing from any of the houses you mentioned Game Theory. I was of the view that if Casey committed this act she would have been a bit more emotionally involved in just dumping the baby. The reason I say this, is due to the deep gazes between mother and child in various photo's. There was a deep emotional involvement shared between them. Discarding in a dumpster or lake without any thought, even subliminal as opposed to finding a safe resting place in a peaceful location, just does not do it for me. Maybe its just me but I just can't feel a discard without affection. Go ahead beat me up. Its my gut feeling


I would hope that to be the case, with everything I have. It's the very least she could have done. But I would also hope that no mother could do something that leaves their child open to this much harm, and then lie continually about it.

I think the above theory isn't necessarily the case, since we've seen Casey demonstrate an ability to detach herself from emotionally charged situations. She could well have been operating on auto-pilot.

I would love to see the psych eval.

txsvicki
08-13-2008, 06:17 AM
If Casey had buried Caylee under the playhouse she may have been forced to move the body. Cindy and George seem like the types to plan ahead and could have told Casey online or by phone that they were going to lay pavers under the playhouse on the 4th. Casey could have gone to the house after the 24th and moved Caylee to another location. I'd have no idea where, but I don't think Casey would have ruined the car she drives otherwise, and not wanting to lose her vehicle might account for why she made sure it would be found, not realizing that the odor would linger after sitting a few days. That would take a cold hearted person who only cares about herself. I don't think she put much interest into a nice burial.

GameTheory
08-13-2008, 06:18 AM
Respectfully sinpped.
The reason I say this, is due to the deep gazes between mother and child in various photo's. There was a deep emotional involvement shared between them.

You could be 100% right about the emotional involvement regarding the dumping methods...

but...regarding the photos I think what we see in the photos as outsiders is totally subjective. Personally I see a young woman who is good in posing - and I don't mean necessarily anything fake - but knows how to pose for the camera, how she looks good, how to smile, how to set up cute photos etc. I see a really cute photoalbum with the child with a lot of costumes etc. What about some natural photos? Where there was no celebration or dress up occassion? Haven't seen many of those? She could have easily taken some nice photos with the kid where mom also looks cool and funny and then just hand the baby to her mom.

Just saying...Did you see any pics where the child kisses mommy, has her arms around mommy's neck, chest, holds mommy's face, etc? Casey looks like a cool younger aunt who when visits she takes this fun cute pictures with the child to post on her myspace account. It is dress up fun time. My own subjective opinion of course that could be 100% wrong.

flagirl61
08-13-2008, 06:27 AM
If you were locked up in prison, accused of child neglect, wouldn't you be screaming to be let out to find your daughter.....if you were innocent?


Yes I agree with you.

But it seems Casey is busy reading and sleeping a great deal in jail these days. Interesting story in today's Orlando Sentinel on that subject: "A Day in the Life of Jailed Mom Casey Anthony."

One of the more interesting tidbits: she has to eat boring turkey bologna sandwiches because she can't buy food from the jail comissary -- because NO ONE HAS DEPOSITED MONEY IN HER JAIL ACCOUNT.

HMMM, what does that say about relations with grandmom, granddad and brother Lee?


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey1308aug13,0,1524094.story

:boohoo:

CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 06:43 AM
Seems Casey gets an hour to shower, watch TV, make calls and another hour in an open courtyard. She is still isolated and not in contact with other inmates. Per fox news

CheckDaFacts
08-13-2008, 06:46 AM
Just saying...Did you see any pics where the child kisses mommy, has her arms around mommy's neck, chest, holds mommy's face, etc? Casey looks like a cool younger aunt who when visits she takes this fun cute pictures with the child to post on her myspace account. It is dress up fun time. My own subjective opinion of course that could be 100% wrong.[QUOTE]

I understand, thinking back to Caylee as an infant in Casey's arms, its a black and white photo. Very different from all the newer ones. I do understand where your coming from Casey is quite a case subject with her detachment.

GameTheory
08-13-2008, 07:42 AM
One of the more interesting tidbits: she has to eat boring turkey bologna sandwiches because she can't buy food from the jail comissary -- because NO ONE HAS DEPOSITED MONEY IN HER JAIL ACCOUNT.

HMMM, what does that say about relations with grandmom, granddad and brother Lee?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey1308aug13,0,1524094.story

:boohoo:

Interesting indeed!!

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 07:44 AM
From the Orlando Newspaper this morning
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August 13, 2008
Casey Anthony had turkey bologna for lunch Tuesday and will dine on jailhouse turkey with gravy for dinner today. That's life for Orange County inmate No. 08034750.

Today marks the 28th day she has been locked up in the jail, where her existence is a stark contrast to the media circus surrounding the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter Caylee Marie.

While her parents are interviewed daily by reporters, 22-year-old Anthony is living alone in a 7-by-12-foot cell in the county's female detention center. Her only TV appearances are on security video watched by officers.

Jail officials say she spends most of her days reading books from the jail library and sleeping. She is not allowed to have pen and paper.



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Caylee Anthony goes missing Photos "She has been a model inmate," said jail spokesman Allen Moore. "She hasn't made any unusual demands and has been very cooperative."

Authorities booked her in jail July 16 on charges of child neglect, a felony, and filing a false statement, a misdemeanor. She remains there until she can post a $500,200 bail.

Her notoriety puts her in "protective custody" status, which means she's separated from the general population. This is the same treatment former astronaut Lisa Nowak and former boy-band producer Lou Pearlman received during their stays. It's for the inmates' safety -- it keeps them from being targeted by others, Moore said.

"She lives a very stark existence in spartan surroundings," he said.

The only human interaction Anthony has is with jail staff -- including officers and medical workers if needed -- and her attorneys.

"It's basically without social interaction," Moore said.

At least an hour a day, Anthony is allowed out of her cell when she can have access to a phone, take a shower or watch TV in the day room. If weather permits, a corrections officer can escort her to an atrium-type area where she can get fresh air.

Her day usually starts about 5 a.m. with breakfast. There is no wake-up time, but lights come on about 6:30 a.m.

Anthony eats by herself in her cell, which has a bed, toilet and sink.

Lunch is served around 11 a.m., and dinner comes starting about 4:30 p.m.

She can't buy extra food from the jail commissary because no one has deposited money in her jail account.

Anthony dialed her last phone call more than 10 days ago when she asked her brother to have her attorney, Jos� Baez, come to the jail. The call lasted 34 seconds.

Baez has made the trek to the jail 14 days since he first saw her July 17, according to jail records.

On some days, he saw her several times. Some visits lasted more than two hours. Another lawyer and investigators in Baez's firm have stopped by more than five times.

Baez was not available Tuesday to comment.

In addition to her legal team, Anthony's family can visit her. The jail does not allow face-to-face contact with the public. Visitation -- limited to three a week -- is done through live video, and participants talk by phone.

However, Anthony has refused to see her family for the past several visits -- including her parents Sunday night. She gave no reason. Her brother, Lee, canceled a visit Tuesday. Like his sister, he gave no reason.

Her parents are scheduled to visit again Thursday. Jail officers will ask her that day whether she wants to see them.

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 07:50 AM
I posted an article last night, I just wanted to re-post one paragraph from it again.




Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, said she washed the gray pants but told investigators early on in the investigation about that fact. Detectives said they learned about the pants being washed about a week ago.

lostnfound85
08-13-2008, 08:01 AM
They can proceed with murder charge once they have all the forensics in, which still could take a good deal of time. I feel this was a cold blooded murder, Casey shows no remorse whatsoever, not the emotions of someone whose child died an accidental death.
Unfortunately, it seems to take the police a long time to get their ducks in a row, but the hammer will come down on Casey.

SewingDeb
08-13-2008, 08:14 AM
She seems awfully cold hearted to me which makes it hard to believe the death (if there was one) was an accident.

mydailyopinions
08-13-2008, 08:14 AM
I posted an article last night, I just wanted to re-post one paragraph from it again.




Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, said she washed the gray pants but told investigators early on in the investigation about that fact. Detectives said they learned about the pants being washed about a week ago.
If this is the case, and she held that information from LE, then right now, they should arrest her too.

mystified
08-13-2008, 08:15 AM
I read there was another scheduled visit for Lee(?) Thursday. I wonder if Casey will continue not to see anyone in the family?

headndownstream
08-13-2008, 08:15 AM
I simply can't be her enough to know what the regulars know. I found this link that said investigators found Caylees DNA in Caseys care, it's from 8/5. This was news to me, and probably not true (for now)? since it hasn't been said anywhere else. Or am I wrong or misunderstanding this?

I know I drop in then disappear, lurk and run, but I want to thank everyone who keeps me up to date with their insight and facts.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/investigators-h.html

mydailyopinions
08-13-2008, 08:17 AM
She seems awfully cold hearted to me which makes it hard to believe the death (if there was one) was an accident.yu
I agree, and at this point, even if there was an "accident" the series of events afterwards point straight to murder. IMO

wallflower67
08-13-2008, 08:20 AM
We don't know about things missing from any of the houses you mentioned Game Theory. I was of the view that if Casey committed this act she would have been a bit more emotionally involved in just dumping the baby. The reason I say this, is due to the deep gazes between mother and child in various photo's. There was a deep emotional involvement shared between them. Discarding in a dumpster or lake without any thought, even subliminal as opposed to finding a safe resting place in a peaceful location, just does not do it for me. Maybe its just me but I just can't feel a discard without affection. Go ahead beat me up. Its my gut feeling

Lots of people pose for photos. I think as long as someone else was doing the real caring for Caylee (Cindy and George) caylee was just an accessory. You can smile at a nice accessory.

Also, after decomp set in, and Caylee what the baby would have started looking like, she may no longer have viewed Caylee as a person, but as a body.

I think she put her in a dumpster in a garbage bag, and i would be surprised if we ever find the body. ButI hope I'm wrong and she burried her somewhere.

wallflower67
08-13-2008, 08:25 AM
If Casey had buried Caylee under the playhouse she may have been forced to move the body. Cindy and George seem like the types to plan ahead and could have told Casey online or by phone that they were going to lay pavers under the playhouse on the 4th. Casey could have gone to the house after the 24th and moved Caylee to another location. I'd have no idea where, but I don't think Casey would have ruined the car she drives otherwise, and not wanting to lose her vehicle might account for why she made sure it would be found, not realizing that the odor would linger after sitting a few days. That would take a cold hearted person who only cares about herself. I don't think she put much interest into a nice burial.

I've been meaning to ask, just how disturbed was the dirt under the playhouse. Was it enough to have burried a whole body? Or was it just some digging.

Beffie
08-13-2008, 08:26 AM
Just saying...Did you see any pics where the child kisses mommy, has her arms around mommy's neck, chest, holds mommy's face, etc? Casey looks like a cool younger aunt who when visits she takes this fun cute pictures with the child to post on her myspace account. It is dress up fun time. My own subjective opinion of course that could be 100% wrong.[QUOTE]

I understand, thinking back to Caylee as an infant in Casey's arms, its a black and white photo. Very different from all the newer ones. I do understand where your coming from Casey is quite a case subject with her detachment.


I thought when I seen the pictures of Caylee with Casey it looked like Caylee was an accessory to make Casey look better. It (not comparing Caylee with dog) but it reminded me of Paris Hilton and her little dog. It does look more like she is the fun aunt not the loving mother. :(

Beffie
08-13-2008, 08:30 AM
Yes I agree with you.

But it seems Casey is busy reading and sleeping a great deal in jail these days. Interesting story in today's Orlando Sentinel on that subject: "A Day in the Life of Jailed Mom Casey Anthony."

One of the more interesting tidbits: she has to eat boring turkey bologna sandwiches because she can't buy food from the jail comissary -- because NO ONE HAS DEPOSITED MONEY IN HER JAIL ACCOUNT.

HMMM, what does that say about relations with grandmom, granddad and brother Lee?


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey1308aug13,0,1524094.story

:boohoo:

This is very interesting. I also wonder if they are just putting on a show for Casey to make it sound like they are on her side, because she might see it and they may never find their granddaughter/niece, if they say anything negative about Casey. I wonder what they say behind closed doors. They have to realize nothing is adding up, and it looks bad for Caylee and only Casey has the answers so until they find Caylee they have to play Caseys game. Or, I just hope they cannot be that naive.

headndownstream
08-13-2008, 08:31 AM
Remember the GP probably provided the pictures we're all seeing, their favorites. They all do look posed and not so spontaneous. Casey uses her smile a lot, she has a pretty smile but it doesn't look spontaneous in some pictures. However, we all do that. Smile for the camera.

belimom
08-13-2008, 09:04 AM
Sorry if this has been posted, but here's something that I just saw on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/08/12/nancy.grace.tot.mom.charges.cnn

(says that Casey's boyfriend says she wasn't looking for Caylee)

lostnfound85
08-13-2008, 09:04 AM
IMHO, the grandparents are not totally sane people. If I was a grandparent, (which I will be very soon), if I thought kidnappers took the child I would have been begging the kidnappers to bring her home from day one that I knew she was missing. Likewise I would have organized searches to look for her all around the immediate area, and hired private detectives to do the rest. Their nonchalant approach to the whole thing is baffling.

SewingDeb
08-13-2008, 09:10 AM
Sorry if this has been posted, but here's something that I just saw on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/08/12/nancy.grace.tot.mom.charges.cnn

(says that Casey's boyfriend says she wasn't looking for Caylee)

Thanks for the link, belimom. That is a big part of the case. Any loving mother would be frantic and all they could think of/talk about would be their missing child.

belimom
08-13-2008, 09:11 AM
One of the theories I'm coming to believe is that Casey accidentally or purposefully killed Caylee, freaked because she didn't know what to do with the body, eventually confessed to George to get advice about what to do. By then, Casey had already put Caylee in the yard and maybe back in the trunk (I think it happened at the house after the argument with George/Cindy). George took over the body and disposed of it someplace where LE would have hard time finding it - a better place than Casey could think of on her own. He advised her to keep quiet in jail and stick to her story - there's no way she would keep quiet on her own at this point. They kept the whole thing from Cindy, at least in the beginning - not sure about now.

This is just my opinion, which changes from day to day...

lilacwine
08-13-2008, 09:14 AM
This is very interesting. I also wonder if they are just putting on a show for Casey to make it sound like they are on her side, because she might see it and they may never find their granddaughter/niece, if they say anything negative about Casey. I wonder what they say behind closed doors. They have to realize nothing is adding up, and it looks bad for Caylee and only Casey has the answers so until they find Caylee they have to play Caseys game. Or, I just hope they cannot be that naive.


I actually think this is a VERY possible theory...

it would explain why last week they were saying things like, "If Casey was responsible she needs to be in jail and be punished."

I think they're cooperating with LE and trying to push Casey into speaking.

(please don't flame me)

belimom
08-13-2008, 09:16 AM
Thanks for the link, belimom. That is a big part of the case. Any loving mother would be frantic and all they could think of/talk about would be their missing child.

Oh, ITA! Our son has gone "missing" a few times (normal kid pranks, like hide-and-seek... :rolleyes:) and I totally freaked. I ran up and down the street like a madwoman, screaming his name. At one point on a different occasion, we thought he had drowned , to the point that my husband and my brother were getting ready to dive in and search (he was again *hiding*). I was so distraught that my legs gave out. (After the last incident, we had a serious talk with him about hide-n-seek - you do NOT hide from adults. Ever. Ever. Ever.)

Sorry for the personal OT info - just wanted to say that for several minutes on a few occasions, I've experienced the panic that I think any normal parent would feel upon thinking their child is gone. It's almost a gut animal-like instinct to go nuts and stop at nothing to find your child.

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 09:21 AM
Local news reports this morning that a body has been found in the Indian River Lagoon. No mention yet of whether it is male, female, adult or child:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/13/body_found_in_indian_river_lagoon.html

Let's pray that this is not Caylee.

gigi2009
08-13-2008, 09:22 AM
Casey doesn't want that child found. Even her boyfriend says that Casey wasn't panicking or looking for her. At least he's talking to investigators.

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 09:23 AM
This was posted on the web blog of the orlando newspaper....have no idea if what the poster is saying is true or not
________________________
This morning at 9 a group of people are going to search in the Jay Blanchard Park. They said they had emailed the Anthony's on how they could help search for Caylee and never got an answer so they are searching on their own. I hope and pray they find something. They said if they didn't find Caylee maybe they could find the missing cell phone!! We need to get more search parties going!! Thank you to this group, maybe George could park the sign and help out this morning

Juliana
08-13-2008, 09:24 AM
Local news reports this morning that a body has been found in the Indian River Lagoon. No mention yet of whether it is male, female, adult or child:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/13/body_found_in_indian_river_lagoon.html

Let's pray that this is not Caylee.

How far is this from Orlando? TIA!

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 09:25 AM
Local news reports this morning that a body has been found in the Indian River Lagoon. No mention yet of whether it is male, female, adult or child:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/13/body_found_in_indian_river_lagoon.html

Let's pray that this is not Caylee.

How far is this from the Anthony's or TonE's home???

gigi2009
08-13-2008, 09:26 AM
I have at times felt really sorry for the Anthony's, then I get so p'oed at their behaviour. I think after the latest news, I am firmly going to stay :furious:

I just don't believe Caylee is alive. If that is her from Merritt Island then maybe she can be properly taken care of.

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 09:27 AM
How far is this from the Anthony's or TonE's home???

It's over at Merritt Island (going toward Cocoa Beach), which would be about a 30 minute drive from the Anthony's home.

Dolphinmomcca
08-13-2008, 09:28 AM
Body Found In Indian River Lagoon
Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:12:10 AM
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MERRITT ISLAND -- A body has been found in a lagoon in Brevard County.

According to Florida Today, the Brevard County Sheriff's Office is trying to figure out how the body got into the Indian River Lagoon.

It was found behind Doc's Bait House on Merritt Island.

The body was found around 6:30 a.m. Wednesday near the bait and tackle shop at 588 West Merritt Island Causeway.

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 09:29 AM
I just did a google map plot, and it's 42.6 miles from the Anthony home to the location where this body was found. So with traffic, would take her about 50 minutes to get there.

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 09:32 AM
IT'S NOT CAYLEE !!


Bicycle mishap suspected in Indian River drowning

Brevard County Sheriff's investigators believe a body found in Indian River lagoon this morning is a 54-year-old man who drowned after falling into the water behind a Merritt Island bait shop.
BCS agent Jonathan Kent, said the man, whose name is not being released until his family is notified, was riding a bicycle along the dock near Docs Bait House, when he missed a curve and fell into the water, hitting his head on coquina rock.

Kent said investigators think the man was knocked out and then eventually drowned. Investigators don't believe there is any foul play involved.

Sgt. Lana West of BCSO said about five units responded to the scene around 6:30 a.m. at the bait and tackle shop at 588 W. Merritt Island Causeway.

tx_Dot
08-13-2008, 09:33 AM
Morning all, trying to catch up here, don't know if this has already been asked.....

Anyone think it strange that according to the new phone records that nothing was released about the 17th ??? I find it hard to believe she didn't make or receive ANY calls in a 24 hour span.....

Wonder if LE is sending a message like, "We know your movements the 16th & 18th, so if your looking for any deal, you need to step up & discuss your calls/movements on the 17th.......(before these to are also released to the public)........MOO

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 09:39 AM
It's over at Merritt Island (going toward Cocoa Beach), which would be about a 30 minute drive from the Anthony's home.

Wonder if that would equate to the gas that was taken from the shed?

Dr. Pennypacker
08-13-2008, 09:40 AM
my latest gut feeling---little Caylee was deceased by the afternoon of June 16

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 09:40 AM
Wonder if that would equate to the gas that was taken from the shed?

It's not Caylee thank goodness. Florida Today website just updated to say it was a 54 yr. old man that fell off his bike, hit his head, fell into the lagoon and drowned.

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 09:42 AM
Here's a link. The body was of a female, 5'2", 120 pounds.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2007/9/22/body_found_in_indian_river.html

Goes to show how screwed up the news is around here. One tv station is saying it's a female, and another news outlet (Florida Today paper) is saying it is a male. :confused:

Patty G
08-13-2008, 09:42 AM
my latest gut feeling---little Caylee was deceased by the afternoon of June 16

Yup around 2:00 to 2:30 PM.

SewingDeb
08-13-2008, 09:43 AM
Goes to show how screwed up the news is around here. One tv station is saying it's a female, and another news outlet (Florida Today paper) is saying it is a male. :confused:

I deleted mine when I realized it was 2007...sorry y'all. The current body is the 54 year old man who had a bike accident.

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 09:45 AM
I deleted mine when I realized it was 2007...sorry y'all. The current body is the 54 year old man who had a bike accident.

Lot's of bodies being found in the lagoon. Let's hope they don't find any more!

gigi2009
08-13-2008, 09:46 AM
What I don't get is how George can make those crazy statements that he has "people" under surveillence that he says have Caylee? The detectives said they have no knowledge of that?

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 09:48 AM
It's not Caylee thank goodness. Florida Today website just updated to say it was a 54 yr. old man that fell off his bike, hit his head, fell into the lagoon and drowned.

Thanks I had already posted that before I saw your post stating it wasn't Caylee. Thank God it isn't Caylee.

headndownstream
08-13-2008, 09:48 AM
Could someone bring me up to speed about the DNA being Caylees? Was this report false?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...igators-h.html

Moe
08-13-2008, 09:49 AM
What I don't get is how George can make those crazy statements that he has "people" under surveillence that he says have Caylee? The detectives said they have no knowledge of that?
Me either, how can George get away with saying that, and not provide the information to the LE? I'm trying to give the GPs the benefit of the doubt, but they are making that increasingly difficult.

Dr. Pennypacker
08-13-2008, 09:49 AM
What I don't get is how George can make those crazy statements that he has "people" under surveillence that he says have Caylee? The detectives said they have no knowledge of that?
I saw that vid.
I think he is starting to really lose his mind.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 09:49 AM
Morning all, trying to catch up here, don't know if this has already been asked.....

Anyone think it strange that according to the new phone records that nothing was released about the 17th ??? I find it hard to believe she didn't make or receive ANY calls in a 24 hour span.....

Wonder if LE is sending a message like, "We know your movements the 16th & 18th, so if your looking for any deal, you need to step up & discuss your calls/movements on the 17th.......(before these to are also released to the public)........MOO

Mark F. reported OTR last week there were numerous phone calls back to back on the 17th. However for some reason last night they are not giving the times of these calls on the 17th. The only thing that was mentioned was the last call at 7:20 PM on the 16th to Amy and the next call, no person named was 11:00 AM on the 17th.

More than likely they are digging deeper before announcing the phone calls. I think this is more independant sources digging into the phone records rather then LE releasing this information based on what Mark reported last week.

headndownstream
08-13-2008, 09:49 AM
Could someone bring me up to speed about the DNA being Caylees? Was this report false?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...igators-h.html

Sorry, that link was wrong...here it is again.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/investigators-h.html

lilacwine
08-13-2008, 09:49 AM
Could someone bring me up to speed about the DNA being Caylees? Was this report false?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...igators-h.html


I saw an update from the police spokesperson yesterday and he said they don't have the results yet.

They may not be released when they come in, but he said they did not have them... so I'm not sure how they could say they have Caylee's DNA.

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 09:50 AM
Could someone bring me up to speed about the DNA being Caylees? Was this report false?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...igators-h.html

I can't get the link to open

Patty G
08-13-2008, 09:51 AM
What I don't get is how George can make those crazy statements that he has "people" under surveillence that he says have Caylee? The detectives said they have no knowledge of that?


I think about that too and I keep in mind he is an former cop, so not sure why he is saying this especially in "PUBLIC". :eek:

SewingDeb
08-13-2008, 09:51 AM
Could someone bring me up to speed about the DNA being Caylees? Was this report false?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...igators-h.html

Your link doesn't work but LE is still saying they are waiting for the DNA results.

SeriouslySearching
08-13-2008, 09:51 AM
This was posted on the web blog of the orlando newspaper....have no idea if what the poster is saying is true or not
________________________
This morning at 9 a group of people are going to search in the Jay Blanchard Park. They said they had emailed the Anthony's on how they could help search for Caylee and never got an answer so they are searching on their own. I hope and pray they find something. They said if they didn't find Caylee maybe they could find the missing cell phone!! We need to get more search parties going!! Thank you to this group, maybe George could park the sign and help out this morningThanks for posting this, Mitch! I am glad to see someone in JB Park! I think it does need to be searched. I hope the group has been instructed on how to conduct a search tho and knows what they should/should not do. At least, someone is doing something! :clap:

ketel0ne
08-13-2008, 09:52 AM
I've been meaning to ask, just how disturbed was the dirt under the playhouse. Was it enough to have burried a whole body? Or was it just some digging.

IMO we may never know just how disturbed since the pavers were put down after the fact and the ground would have been leveled.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 09:52 AM
Could someone bring me up to speed about the DNA being Caylees? Was this report false?

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...igators-h.html

No info as far as I have heard has been released concerning DNA!

headndownstream
08-13-2008, 09:52 AM
I can't get the link to open


http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/caylee_anthony.html

I see that link is broken (scratching head), try this, 4th story down on left.

karenmamo
08-13-2008, 09:52 AM
IT IS ALL ABOUT 'APPEARANCES.'
This thought has been coming to me for weeks now. Obviously for Cindy and Casey--not sure about George.
I think for many years now those two have operated on a mind-set that controls their actions.
Filter all the actions you know about from them with this in mind.

SewingDeb
08-13-2008, 09:53 AM
Sorry, that link was wrong...here it is again.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/investigators-h.html

Ok, that link works. Here is what it says:

According to a spokesperson from the Orange County Sheriff's Office, investigators have found Caylee Anthony's DNA; however they will not confirm if it was discovered in the trunk of the car that was used by the missing toddler's mom, Casey Anthony.

"When it is appropriate, we will do what is necessary to further this case. We will not discuss results individually regarding any item that is returned to us," Orange County Sheriff's Office Capt. Angelo Nieves said.

Despite this breaking news, Nieves does not believe Caylee will be found without assistance from her mother.

"What we need to do is receive information from Casey that is nothing but the truth," Nieves said.

SeriouslySearching
08-13-2008, 09:55 AM
I saw an update from the police spokesperson yesterday and he said they don't have the results yet.

They may not be released when they come in, but he said they did not have them... so I'm not sure how they could say they have Caylee's DNA. I didn't look at the link, but I would say they do have Caylee's DNA from such things as her toothbrush, hairbrush, or other items and it has been processed already. The DNA results they are waiting on supposedly are from the trunk of the car (hair, bodily fluids, etc.), if I am understanding what Padilla said last night on Greta.

Dr. Pennypacker
08-13-2008, 09:56 AM
Casey Anthony is the one who knows the what where and why.
Will she ever break from her act and tell the truth???

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 09:58 AM
casey anthony is the one who knows the what where and why.
Will she ever break from her act and tell the truth???

No the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers

gigi2009
08-13-2008, 10:01 AM
I don't think she's going to crack unless there's some catalyst. I think George is so firmly ensconced in the belief that Caylee is alive that he is doing whatever he can so to muddy the investigation. As long as LE doesn't find her then he can hold on to the hope she's out there alive. I think as far as the 17th, maybe LE is trying to pinpoint her locations via the towers why could be why they aren't saying much about it. I also think she stole the money $700 from AMy to perhaps throw it in her parents' face--"Here, here's the effing money for the bill! Get off my back!"

She did them them she had a job, so they might've been on her back to give them the money for the bill.

Dr. Pennypacker
08-13-2008, 10:02 AM
No the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers
Perhaps at some point she will crack and come clean. Until that time we will be left with whatever information LE and the justice system can piece together.

Mendara
08-13-2008, 10:08 AM
I just can't understand how this girl could hurt her child and then hide her body so well and no one in her circle of friends, heard, saw or suspected anything. What did she do with Caylee? On august 16 it will be 9 weeks since she was last seen. I don't think Casey will ever talk and I don't think Caylee will be found.

kbay5
08-13-2008, 10:13 AM
I am sure this has been discussed but I am wondering if the "pizza" and cleaning supplies were actually found in the trunk by mom or if it was the story told to her by Casey to explain the smell. "Mom, the only reason my car smells is because there was an old moldy pizza in there for days and so I used a combination of cleaning supplies to try to remove the odor". Was the smell of cleaning supplies from actual cleaning bottles (and why would she have them in her trunk) or from her trying to clean her trunk? I have never had to scrub my trunk with cleaning supplies, just an occasional vaccuum and if the "pizza" was in the box what good would it do to scrub the fabric?

GameTheory
08-13-2008, 10:13 AM
I don't want to be cynical or anything - and have in mind that for now until until now I still consider the gps victms who are really bad in dealing with the situation - but........

driving the car around with Caylee's picture it does give George and Cindy a nice hideout place to discuss some things without the fear of someone hearing them right?? Is George taking these trips alone or I am correct that he did that with Cindy? And other people were driving the picture around town before. It is only recently that George has taken up to the task himself. I find this trips weird since there are soooooooo much many other things that they could have been doing with more practical results - like ground searches even though they don't have a clue where to look. But since Casey talked about several locations it would make more sence for a person to start looking there instead of driving that picture for hours around town.

After all Caylee's picture is 24/7 online and on news bulletins and tv shows. Driving the car around neighbourhoods is not that important compared to that?

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 10:13 AM
This is JMO but I honestly think Casey had NO TRUE friends which shows tons about her character...I mean for NOT ONE person to be able to come to her defense(besides her beloved family) that is saying LOADS...YEAH I know the theory that nobody wants to get involved blah blah blah..well even in the beginning nobody came forth and that was before the media cirucs that this has become. This case is unique in so many ways. I mean normally someone comes forth..good or bad and normally it's several people..co-workers etc. I just find it odd.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 10:14 AM
I just can't understand how this girl could hurt her child and then hide her body so well and no one in her circle of friends, heard, saw or suspected anything. What did she do with Caylee? On august 16 it will be 9 weeks since she was last seen. I don't think Casey will ever talk and I don't think Caylee will be found.

Hindsight is 20/20. I bet the friends looked back, compared notes and now may recall some odd occurances and behaviors.

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 10:15 AM
I don't want to be cynical or anything - and have in mind that for now until until now I still consider the gps victms who are really bad in dealing with the situation - but........

driving the car around with Caylee's picture it does give George and Cindy a nice hideout place to discuss some things without the fear of someone hearing them right?? Is George taking these trips alone or I am correct that he did that with Cindy? And other people were driving the picture around town before. It is only recently that George has taken up to the task himself. I find this trips weird since there are soooooooo much many other things that they could have been doing with more practical results - like ground searches even though they don't have a clue where to look. But since Casey talked about several locations it would make more sence for a person to start looking there instead of driving that picture for hours around town.

After all Caylee's picture is 24/7 online and on news bulletins and tv shows. Driving the car around neighbourhoods is not that important compared to that?

That is a good thought...maybe they think their house is bugged? I can't honestly say in other cases have I seen someone driving a billboard around versus ground searches et. I did see Cindy in the car the very first day that he took the billboard out. I can't confirm any of his other trips.

Mendara
08-13-2008, 10:20 AM
Even if I knew the babysitter well and wasn't worried about my daughter's safety, but couldn't find them, I would be frantic and I would miss my daughter, the fact that she was able to hang out with friends and post comments on myspace and do the deed with her boyfriend and drink and go out, that is a HUGE sign of guilt. The babysitter story began with the babysitter taking her because she wanted to keep Caylee for herself eventually turned into viloent dangerous kidnappers who are asking for nothing in exchange for Caylee.

This is so ridiculous and sad.

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 10:22 AM
With the way things have gone in this case,it would not surprise me to find out that the house was bugged.With all of the odd comments and behavior from the Anthony's it probably would not take much to get a court order/judges approval for that.

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 10:23 AM
I was just reading the article where it described her living conditions in the big house. So nobody is putting money in poor little Casey's account in jail???.WOW her parents must really think she is innocent and must really support her. BOLOGNA...there is another excuse I have to think the whole charade by George and Cindy is indeed a great acting job.

headndownstream
08-13-2008, 10:27 AM
I was just reading the article where it described her living conditions in the big house. So nobody is putting money in poor little Casey's account in jail???.WOW her parents must really think she is innocent and must really support her. BOLOGNA...there is another excuse I have to think the whole charade by George and Cindy is indeed a great acting job.

I wondered too what the county jail life was like. Did anyone catch what they said last night about her watching tv? It's difficult because all the other inmates have to be cleared from the rec room before she is brought in, if irc.

redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 10:28 AM
I just can't understand how this girl could hurt her child and then hide her body so well and no one in her circle of friends, heard, saw or suspected anything. What did she do with Caylee? On august 16 it will be 9 weeks since she was last seen. I don't think Casey will ever talk and I don't think Caylee will be found.

Ditto that. I hope they find her, because I have a hard time believing that someone like Casey is smart enough to pull it off, but the longer time goes on with no info on Caylee's whereabouts I am inclined to believe you.

robotdog
08-13-2008, 10:28 AM
I was just reading the article where it described her living conditions in the big house. So nobody is putting money in poor little Casey's account in jail???.WOW her parents must really think she is innocent and must really support her. BOLOGNA...there is another excuse I have to think the whole charade by George and Cindy is indeed a great acting job.

i think you are correct

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 10:32 AM
I'm not sure how true it is but I have been told that if authority's have (just cause) they can turn your cell phone on and listen to what is being said. example: you and some friends are sitting around talking and there is a cell phone on the table,the conversation can be listened to and or recorded. Some people will take the batteries out.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 10:33 AM
I am sure this has been discussed but I am wondering if the "pizza" and cleaning supplies were actually found in the trunk by mom or if it was the story told to her by Casey to explain the smell. "Mom, the only reason my car smells is because there was an old moldy pizza in there for days and so I used a combination of cleaning supplies to try to remove the odor". Was the smell of cleaning supplies from actual cleaning bottles (and why would she have them in her trunk) or from her trying to clean her trunk? I have never had to scrub my trunk with cleaning supplies, just an occasional vaccuum and if the "pizza" was in the box what good would it do to scrub the fabric?

I think George's recent revelation about the Arm and Hammer is to explain the test he knows that's going to come back showing someone tried to clean the trunk. JMO, IMO, etc. etc.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 10:35 AM
I'm not sure how true it is but I have been told that if authority's have (just cause) they can turn your cell phone on and listen to what is being said. example: you and some friends are sitting around talking and there is a cell phone on the table,the conversation can be listened to and or recorded. Some people will take the batteries out.

They can listen in on land lines with the proper autho to do so, but cell phones not sure. See if you can find something to back that one up as it would be interesting reading material.

Amberjack
08-13-2008, 10:36 AM
Casey Anthony is the one who knows the what where and why.
Will she ever break from her act and tell the truth???

Sadly, I do not think so....
My sister has this personality disorder...So, I kinda "get" Casey
I am reminded of:
OJ Simpson
Scott Peterson
Joran van der Sloot....

The truth will stay with them.
IMO If all the attention goes away, she may talk.
Right now, she's in control.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 10:37 AM
I wondered too what the county jail life was like. Did anyone catch what they said last night about her watching tv? It's difficult because all the other inmates have to be cleared from the rec room before she is brought in, if irc.

Here's that video you were referring to!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7186138&version=1&locale=EN-US

redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 10:38 AM
Unless there is some breakthrough this week by the police or physical evidence (I do think they have enough evidence to suspect what happened but not enough to bring charges for now)....things does not look good for finding Caylee or find out exactly what happened. Not good at all.

I also think the police must have a pretty good idea of a motive right now or a trigger for an accident. I said from the beginning the relationship with the boyfriend was a trigger and we saw yesterday a report of an unstable relationship. I think Cayse was clinging on this boyfriend for dear life, inserting herself in his friends' circles, even with his family (message to sister), to his home, to his business place (promoting the club) but also business in general (remember the message about finding singers for her boyfriend?) :bang: The walls were closing on Casey. The money she stole from Amy are nothing compared to the debt she created on her parents' credit cards/accounts. No job, no roomate anymore to live with - don't tell me Amy was going to live with her after what she did, no job, no nanny. The police must have a pretty good idea about all of this.

But......where is Caylee? Where did she put her? I don't believe for a second she buried her someplace. She is too diva and ''ADD'' to do that. Not enough time, not enough privacy. But throw a 3 year old in a river, in a lake, in a DUMPSTER, would take her what? Like 5 minutes top? And if the physical evidence in the trunk are not so compelling right now it only means she placed the child there either in a bag, in a blanket, in a container. Is anything missing from the Anthony's house, the boyfriend's house, Amy's house? :bang::bang::bang::bang:

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
I don't think she buried her either. Digging a hole deep enough to bury a body, even a three year old's body would be HARD work, she doesn't seem like the type to partake in ANY kind of hard work. Not to mention it would've taken a LONG time. JMO

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 10:39 AM
They can listen in on land lines with the proper autho to do so, but cell phones not sure. See if you can find something to back that one up as it would be interesting reading material.

Patty G I just Googled (cell phone as listening device) and a bunch of stuff pops up,I am not good at cut and paste. sorry.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 10:40 AM
Prisons are filled with inmates who never tell their part in the crime they were convicted of and I am concerned this may be the same with Casey.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 10:41 AM
Patty G I just Googled (cell phone as listening device) and a bunch of stuff pops up,I am not good at cut and paste. sorry.

I will try and check it out later in the day. Thanks.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 10:41 AM
Interesting comment about who may be helping George with his "theory".

http://www.wesh.com/news/17177112/detail.html

(snip)
George Anthony remains positive and said he'll continue to drive around with a mobile billboard displaying her picture until she's found. He has a background in law enforcement and said he's tapping into resources from his past.

catsmeow
08-13-2008, 10:45 AM
Interesting comment about who may be helping George with his "theory".

http://www.wesh.com/news/17177112/detail.html

(snip)
George Anthony remains positive and said he'll continue to drive around with a mobile billboard displaying her picture until she's found. He has a background in law enforcement and said he's tapping into resources from his past.

I'm calling BS on this. Georgie Porgie is so full of crap he can't exhale without letting out major fumes.

jmho.

LoriKeet
08-13-2008, 10:46 AM
I just read on a different site (I'm following this case all over the place!) regarding the Xanax theory...that she had been drugging Caylee, putting her in the trunk of her car while she partied, and either forgot about her, and/or she died from an overdose, asphyxiation and/or the heat...

I didn't know this but apparently the street name for Xanax is ZANNY!!! As in Casey saying that "Zanny took her!" Zanny the DRUG took her not Zanny the Nanny as we are led to believe!

It's possible she is then either protecting her drug dealer or her mother the nurse--who could have stolen them from the hospital or had a script issued for them! Just another thought!!!

robotdog
08-13-2008, 10:47 AM
i think the police have so much information about what really happened
it will knock our socks off

:)

robotdog
08-13-2008, 10:49 AM
I'm calling BS on this. Georgie Porgie is so full of crap he can't exhale without letting out major fumes.

jmho.


yep, BULL crap
steaming pant load of bull crap

he is spinning like a top

LoriKeet
08-13-2008, 10:49 AM
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
I don't think she buried her either. Digging a hole deep enough to bury a body, even a three year old's body would be HARD work, she doesn't seem like the type to partake in ANY kind of hard work. Not to mention it would've taken a LONG time. JMO

I totally agree about the hard work aspect...so perhaps one of her "boyfriends du jour" helped her?

I also thought about the possibility that she buried Caylee in Greenwood Cemetary on the site of Jose Ortiz' grave...her ex-boyfriend and alleged father of Caylee. The cemetary would definitely throw off cadaver dogs, and who would think to look for Caylee in someone else's grave?!

TraceyLeigh
08-13-2008, 10:51 AM
I'm calling BS on this. Georgie Porgie is so full of crap he can't exhale without letting out major fumes.

jmho.


:laugh: hilarious

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 10:51 AM
I just read on a different site (I'm following this case all over the place!) regarding the Xanax theory...that she had been drugging Caylee, putting her in the trunk of her car while she partied, and either forgot about her, and/or she died from an overdose, asphyxiation and/or the heat...

I didn't know this but apparently the street name for Xanax is ZANNY!!! As in Casey saying that "Zanny took her!" Zanny the DRUG took her not Zanny the Nanny as we are led to believe!

It's possible she is then either protecting her drug dealer or her mother the nurse--who could have stolen them from the hospital or had a script issued for them! Just another thought!!!

Oh yeah, we've been discussing this for a long time. A poster here made the connection at almost the beginning of the case. Some don't buy into this. I certainly think it's a possibility. IMO, Zanny the drug could have been used as a babysitter and then Zanny the drug took Caylee.

TraceyLeigh
08-13-2008, 10:52 AM
i think the police have so much information about what really happened
it will knock our socks off

:)

I agree with you on this... and I hope we're both right.

catsmeow
08-13-2008, 10:53 AM
I just read on a different site (I'm following this case all over the place!) regarding the Xanax theory...that she had been drugging Caylee, putting her in the trunk of her car while she partied, and either forgot about her, and/or she died from an overdose, asphyxiation and/or the heat...

I didn't know this but apparently the street name for Xanax is ZANNY!!! As in Casey saying that "Zanny took her!" Zanny the DRUG took her not Zanny the Nanny as we are led to believe!

It's possible she is then either protecting her drug dealer or her mother the nurse--who could have stolen them from the hospital or had a script issued for them! Just another thought!!!

The 'zanny' drug nickname has been discussed a few times over here as well as the overdose.

You brought up the possibility of a script. I had been thinking of the possibility that she may have been giving the child xanax for a while as another possibility. Xanax is an addictive (highly) benzo and it is a hard drug to come off of. It is prescribed for panic attacks and anxiety and sometimes as a sedative for sleeping. If you get hooked on xanax you have to WEAN off. If you go cold turkey off of xanax you can have a pal mal seizure and die. I've been wondering if this could be a possibility as well. If she'd been giving them to Caylee for a long time, ran out and just stopped giving them to her...and she had a pal mal seizure and she doesn't want to confess because confessing would mean admitting she'd been drugging the child.

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 10:54 AM
Cindy said early on that when Casey lies she always ends up telling me the truth,she is still lying and Cindy just won't accept that.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 10:55 AM
This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," August 12, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402721,00.html

robotdog
08-13-2008, 10:55 AM
I agree with you on this... and I hope we're both right.


me too

they have all the phone records, computer records, friends to interview
receipts of purchases, things she might have said that we are not aware of
not to mention the DNA INFO
they have no reason to release any DNA info to anyone right now
why would they want to - it doesnt help them to release it
but no body YET........

she can stay quiet till the cows come home and still convict her
its called circimstantial evidence and its powerful :crazy:

Blink34
08-13-2008, 10:55 AM
Yup around 2:00 to 2:30 PM.

I know some of you guys feel strongly about that and I have nothing to refute that other than my gut- but then are you saying that she drowned in the pool? We know Casey was not in the house because she used her cell..
So that's what does not make sense to me, under that theory if Casey has no access to the house, she had no access to bathing suit, or anything else so she would have been right there with her?

LoriKeet
08-13-2008, 10:55 AM
I pretty much thought it had been discussed over here...still found it to be an interesting theory though. I wish I had found this site earlier! :o)

not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 10:59 AM
I know some of you guys feel strongly about that and I have nothing to refute that other than my gut- but then are you saying that she drowned in the pool? We know Casey was not in the house because she used her cell..
So that's what does not make sense to me, under that theory if Casey has no access to the house, she had no access to bathing suit, or anything else so she would have been right there with her?

For the record, I and several other ppl I know, have been known to use our cell phones from home, even with the house phone sitting a few feet away. Somehow it's easier to just scroll down and hit send, as opposed to looking up the number on the cell and then dialing on the other phone.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:00 AM
Greta vids:

Police give insight on latest Clues in missing toddler case:
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3019869&referralPlaylistId=playlist


Questionable calls:
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3019850&referralPlaylistId=df5603c3d11ca9a023b0070cfc5f297 e279fd3a7

PassTheMotrin
08-13-2008, 11:01 AM
There would be no reason for her to call Mom at home if she were in the house, IMO.

redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 11:04 AM
Oh, ITA! Our son has gone "missing" a few times (normal kid pranks, like hide-and-seek... :rolleyes:) and I totally freaked. I ran up and down the street like a madwoman, screaming his name. At one point on a different occasion, we thought he had drowned , to the point that my husband and my brother were getting ready to dive in and search (he was again *hiding*). I was so distraught that my legs gave out. (After the last incident, we had a serious talk with him about hide-n-seek - you do NOT hide from adults. Ever. Ever. Ever.)

Sorry for the personal OT info - just wanted to say that for several minutes on a few occasions, I've experienced the panic that I think any normal parent would feel upon thinking their child is gone. It's almost a gut animal-like instinct to go nuts and stop at nothing to find your child.

Ditto...when my daughter was around a year old my SIL came over and didn't get the door shut tight and it swung open. My daughter was getting pretty good at walking and liked to investigate the house. It took about 1 minute to realize she wasn't in the house and I LOST it, thank GOD she was just around the side of the house, but I have NEVER in my life experienced a feeling like that. A million possibilities ran through my mind when I saw that open door. A normal mother would have reacted the same way, and I can tell you 100% without a DOUBT that if she would've died as a result of that incident I NEVER WOULD FORGIVE MYSELF, I would have to be committed, Not sitting there smug and smiling and making up stories and dancing in clubs. JMO

SillyNilly
08-13-2008, 11:05 AM
What I don't get is how George can make those crazy statements that he has "people" under surveillence that he says have Caylee? The detectives said they have no knowledge of that?

This doesn't seem like cooperating with LE to me. They should be the ones doing the surveillance, not George.

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 11:06 AM
i think the police have so much information about what really happened
it will knock our socks off

:)

yes, I bet they do!

songline
08-13-2008, 11:06 AM
Interesting comment about who may be helping George with his "theory".

http://www.wesh.com/news/17177112/detail.html

(snip)
George Anthony remains positive and said he'll continue to drive around with a mobile billboard displaying her picture until she's found. He has a background in law enforcement and said he's tapping into resources from his past.

IMHO George should have known better DUE to his LE background. I think his daughter is bipolar (JMO) and his family is disfunctional....I think he knew his daughter lies like a rug, and should have prepared the LE to deal with her with a mental health professional from the very start......He can drive around all day I do not think that baby is that close that his billboard will do the trick. I think somebody is keeping her indoors if that child is a live.

tx_Dot
08-13-2008, 11:06 AM
Mark F. reported OTR last week there were numerous phone calls back to back on the 17th. However for some reason last night they are not giving the times of these calls on the 17th. The only thing that was mentioned was the last call at 7:20 PM on the 16th to Amy and the next call, no person named was 11:00 AM on the 17th.


More than likely they are digging deeper before announcing the phone calls. I think this is more independant sources digging into the phone records rather then LE releasing this information based on what Mark reported last week.

Patty....here's MF timeline on the phone calls, notice he says "a flurry on the 16th &then no other 'til the next day 17th" (however he doesn't list any calls on the 17th), his timeline ends with the other "flurry of calls on the 18th".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html

Now, what we're learning here is that this timeline is tightened up to June 16, and now we can even tighten up just exactly what kind of activity was actually going on that afternoon. Later in the afternoon, starting at about 3:00 o'clock, we have a source that has shown us that there is a flurry of cell phone activity from Casey's phone. Some of those calls, six in a row, that are just a two minute or two apart, trying to get ahold of her father, six phone calls to her mother and two other individuals which we are not describing at this time.

Now, the activity ceases for about two hours at about 4:00 o'clock, and then continues several other phone calls to the mother, the father and a couple of other individuals between about 6:00 and about 7:30. There are no other calls until the next day. That would be the 17th.

Now, there is new information also that tightens this timeline up. We've talked about the shovel, that right next door in that house right there, Casey Anthony went to that house and borrowed a shovel. It hasn't been disclosed what day. We feel it's important, and so does our source, that we tighten up this timeline so people that might have some information during this short two-day period, they might come forward because something that they passed off as information that was possibly not important now becomes important.

Casey Anthony went to that house on the 18th of June. So the 18th of June, we have the shovel that is borrowed next door from Casey Anthony. And then we move backwards. Now, on that day, June 18, there's also another flurry of phone calls, short, reaching-out phone calls.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:08 AM
I know some of you guys feel strongly about that and I have nothing to refute that other than my gut- but then are you saying that she drowned in the pool? We know Casey was not in the house because she used her cell..
So that's what does not make sense to me, under that theory if Casey has no access to the house, she had no access to bathing suit, or anything else so she would have been right there with her?

I don't think Caylee drowned in the pool at all. I don't think Casey even went inside the house after she left on June 16th. But I feel Casey was in the backyard at some point with Caylee on or after June 16th.

suddenlyobsessed
08-13-2008, 11:09 AM
TonE, Dru, and Clint are/were partners in DBC. However, it doesn't look to be a "legitimate" business (like paying taxes and having a business license). There was nothing listing any of them as agents on sunbiz and nothing showed up for DBC. I may very well be missing something as I am not as good at this as you guys are :)

I just wanted to mention, a few things about club promotions and the way the business works. I know first hand because my best friend runs the largest club in Orange County, CA. The way it works in my experience is that they rent out the venue for a particular night. The promotion company makes 100 percent of the admission fees at the door and generally a very small percentage of the bar and that percentage of the bar is only made after the venue owner has met his expectation. For example after they reach$3,000 in liquor sales the promoter will get 10% of all sales after that. My friend has never paid a dollar towards taxes, in fact he even recieves disability payments(gang injury). When ever uncle sam comes with calculators to tally their door they simply let everyone in free and eat the cost of admission that night. Totally wrong morally I know, but just trying to give you an idea of how shady these people can be. Second of all just wanted to add it's very unlikely most of those guys in the DBC shirts recieved any sort of payments from dbc entertainment. You would be surprised what kind of loyalty and hard work you can get out of a guy just by giving him a t-shirt and letting him in free. I mean I've seen my friend count out and then say sorry no money this week to his promotors, then say I'll catch you next week and next night go out with him and he spends $300 on a sushi dinner. Kinda how Casey was willing to promote for DBC with no payment...people are just happy to be associated with the "popular" people in these clubs. Ah IDK I'm afraid I shouldn't have posted such a long thing cuz I just woke up. If I look crazy just ignore the message because I didn't drink my coffee yet.

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 11:09 AM
so George says he might drive down to the Keys today with his moving billboard(fox news)

He should fit in well down there :)

robotdog
08-13-2008, 11:10 AM
I don't think Caylee drowned in the pool at all. I don't think Casey even went inside the house after she left on June 16th. But I feel Casey was in the backyard at some point with Caylee on or after June 16th.

yep:crazy:

Dr. Pennypacker
08-13-2008, 11:11 AM
so George says he might drive down to the Keys today with his moving billboard(fox news)

He should fit in well down there :)

...that poor man......:other_beatingA_Dead

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 11:13 AM
Blink in reference the Caylee being in a bathing suit,when my daughter was little we would let her in the pool with just panties on. But that's not everybody,we also let her pee behide the bush so she wasn't going in the house wet.

technicalconfusion
08-13-2008, 11:14 AM
yu
I agree, and at this point, even if there was an "accident" the series of events afterwards point straight to murder. IMO


Oh, ITA! Our son has gone "missing" a few times (normal kid pranks, like hide-and-seek... :rolleyes:) and I totally freaked. I ran up and down the street like a madwoman, screaming his name. At one point on a different occasion, we thought he had drowned , to the point that my husband and my brother were getting ready to dive in and search (he was again *hiding*). I was so distraught that my legs gave out. (After the last incident, we had a serious talk with him about hide-n-seek - you do NOT hide from adults. Ever. Ever. Ever.)

Sorry for the personal OT info - just wanted to say that for several minutes on a few occasions, I've experienced the panic that I think any normal parent would feel upon thinking their child is gone. It's almost a gut animal-like instinct to go nuts and stop at nothing to find your child.

The main reason I don't think Caylee may have been killed by accident is because of her mother's propensity for drama. If Caylee had fallen in the pool, paramedics would have been called, she would have been on tv, her friends all feeling sorry for her: she can pull the poor me poor me act.

Amberjack
08-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amberjack
IMO....One problem....Ecstasy!

http://www.drugfree.org/portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy (http://www.drugfree.org/portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy)

CheckDaFacts (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=32970) How far is Orange Blossom Trail from any of our known locations?

Amberjack Is there a connection between Orange Blossom Trail & esctasy?
Orange Blossom Trail is where the Florida Mall is...13 miles from Hopespring Drive. http://www.simon.com/

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Patty....here's MF timeline on the phone calls, notice he says "a flurry on the 16th &then no other 'til the next day 17th" (however he doesn't list any calls on the 17th), his timeline ends with the other "flurry of calls on the 18th".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html


I am aware of Mark's timeline from last week etc., and what has been discussed last night on OTR.

I put my thoughts and timeline I started on August 6, 2008 here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68894

Thanks for posting all that info! :)

kbay5
08-13-2008, 11:16 AM
This shovel thing keeps coming up and I still cannot stop thinking that the Anthony's had to have owned their own at some point. Was it overlooked that their shovel was also missing from the shed when he reported the more valuable gas cans? Did Casey use the shovel (to bury something) and then dispose of it and this is why she had to borrow one at a later date (to unbury something)? I know there is no answer to this as we do not know if they even owned a shovel but I would bet they did.

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 11:16 AM
I know some of you guys feel strongly about that and I have nothing to refute that other than my gut- but then are you saying that she drowned in the pool? We know Casey was not in the house because she used her cell..
So that's what does not make sense to me, under that theory if Casey has no access to the house, she had no access to bathing suit, or anything else so she would have been right there with her?

I believe whatever happened, happened between the 17th & 18th (very early am on the 18th).

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 11:17 AM
so George says he might drive down to the Keys today with his moving billboard(fox news)

He should fit in well down there :)

Maybe he could put some money in my sista's commissary account,that's were she is in jail at.

TraceyLeigh
08-13-2008, 11:17 AM
so George says he might drive down to the Keys today with his moving billboard(fox news)

He should fit in well down there :)


Okay... am I missing something here? He knows exactly where she is and who has her, but he's driving all over God's creation hoping someone will see Caylee's picture, recognize her, and make a call? WTF?

I just don't get it.

Blink34
08-13-2008, 11:18 AM
There would be no reason for her to call Mom at home if she were in the house, IMO.

I thought the calls were to the cell and work of all parties, that's my point, she did not call the house so she knew they were not there

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:18 AM
Interesting comment about who may be helping George with his "theory".

http://www.wesh.com/news/17177112/detail.html

(snip)
George Anthony remains positive and said he'll continue to drive around with a mobile billboard displaying her picture until she's found. He has a background in law enforcement and said he's tapping into resources from his past.

George needs to just park outside the house of where the "alleged kidnappers" are being watched with the billboard in full site!

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 11:19 AM
George needs to just park outside the house of where the "alleged kidnappers" are being watched with the billboard in full site!


:blowkiss:

not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 11:19 AM
This shovel thing keeps coming up and I still cannot stop thinking that the Anthony's had to have owned their own at some point. Was it overlooked that their shovel was also missing from the shed when he reported the more valuable gas cans? Did Casey use the shovel (to bury something) and then dispose of it and this is why she had to borrow one at a later date (to unbury something)? I know there is no answer to this as we do not know if they even owned a shovel but I would bet they did.

I brought this up last night. THey definitely owned a shovel, but the gardening stuff was kept in a different shed per Cindy on Greta. The Anthony's are a bit shed happy.

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:20 AM
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
I don't think she buried her either. Digging a hole deep enough to bury a body, even a three year old's body would be HARD work, she doesn't seem like the type to partake in ANY kind of hard work. Not to mention it would've taken a LONG time. JMO


I ditto that. My daughter is 3 years old..32lbs and 38 inches tall..that would be a pretty big whole..over 3 feet long..doubt Casey buried her. JMO

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 11:20 AM
George needs to just park outside the house of where the "alleged kidnappers" are being watched with the billboard in full site!

With a big neon arrow LOL

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 11:20 AM
Okay... am I missing something here? He knows exactly where she is and who has her, but he's driving all over God's creation hoping someone will see Caylee's picture, recognize her, and make a call? WTF?

I just don't get it.

Neither do I! I would make a reference to what I said last night.....but I got a warning, which I still totally don't understand :confused:

Blink34
08-13-2008, 11:21 AM
This shovel thing keeps coming up and I still cannot stop thinking that the Anthony's had to have owned their own at some point. Was it overlooked that their shovel was also missing from the shed when he reported the more valuable gas cans? Did Casey use the shovel (to bury something) and then dispose of it and this is why she had to borrow one at a later date (to unbury something)? I know there is no answer to this as we do not know if they even owned a shovel but I would bet they did.

Absolutely true- and why I dont think the 16th theory at the house fits..
The shed was not broken into until 6/23-6/24.
Decomp in car and dumped 6/27.. where are you putting a dead body all that time?? It just has too many holes, not saying i am right, just saying I have yet to see where a plausible theory makes this all fit to these dates.

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 11:22 AM
I still don't understand if they are so in debt....possible forclosure.......why they spent the money on pavers over the 4th of July

kbay5
08-13-2008, 11:22 AM
I brought this up last night. THey definitely owned a shovel, but the gardening stuff was kept in a different shed per Cindy on Greta. The Anthony's are a bit shed happy.

Thank you, I missed that convo.

Blink34
08-13-2008, 11:23 AM
The main reason I don't think Caylee may have been killed by accident is because of her mother's propensity for drama. If Caylee had fallen in the pool, paramedics would have been called, she would have been on tv, her friends all feeling sorry for her: she can pull the poor me poor me act.

I totally agree with that, there would be no motive on her part to conceal it. She's certainly smart enough to talk her way out of that as we have seen..

not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 11:24 AM
Thank you, I missed that convo.


It strikes me odd that she would break into one shed for gas, but not the other shed to get a shovel. It's almost like she wanted the world to know she had borrowed a shovel.

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 11:24 AM
:woohoo: The Keys :woohoo:

Thats a whole different world down there...espically Key West :eek:

I live for my visits there, George better be careful

redmamatwo
08-13-2008, 11:24 AM
Hey Blink...this is taken from the Cell PHone record thread:


Newly Reported w/Greta OTR

Casey's flurry of cellphone calls on June 16th, 2008
Note: I only call it a "flurry" b/c thats how the media describes it, I can't say if indeed it is a flurry...

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey's father
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (5 minutes to the next call) *
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro (2 minutes to the next call) *Casey's Boyfriend
4:21pm - Jesse Grund (3 minutes to the next call) *Casey's ex-Boyfriend
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (8 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
6:32pm - The Anthony Home (1 minute to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
6:33pm - Voicemail (33 minutes to the next call) *
7:06pm - The Anthony Home (14 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga (? anymore calls after that) *Casey's close friend at the time

June 17th's Tuesday's records were not revealed


June 18th Casey's Call Log

12:33pm - The Anthony Home
12:34pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
12:35pm - The Anthony Home
12:36pm - George Anthony Cell
1:09pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
1:11pm - The Anthony Home

If the 18th is all of the calls Casey made,.. why none to her friends? Only her family. And why didn't she reach out to her brother Lee at the time?

Dr. Pennypacker
08-13-2008, 11:24 AM
Patty G
I'm with you!!!:detective:

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:24 AM
I just read on a different site (I'm following this case all over the place!) regarding the Xanax theory...that she had been drugging Caylee, putting her in the trunk of her car while she partied, and either forgot about her, and/or she died from an overdose, asphyxiation and/or the heat...

I didn't know this but apparently the street name for Xanax is ZANNY!!! As in Casey saying that "Zanny took her!" Zanny the DRUG took her not Zanny the Nanny as we are led to believe!

It's possible she is then either protecting her drug dealer or her mother the nurse--who could have stolen them from the hospital or had a script issued for them! Just another thought!!!


Yeah this theory has ran rampant all over this board too..been debated and back again. You just never know..ANYTHING at this point is a total possibility!

tx_Dot
08-13-2008, 11:25 AM
I am aware of Mark's timeline from last week etc., and what has been discussed last night on OTR.

I put my thoughts and timeline I started on August 6, 2008 here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68894

Thanks for posting all that info! :)

Yes, I've read your timeline (very good)......

I just find it suspicious that info has been leaked about the 16th & 18th, but nothing about the 17th......

But then again I'm usually suspicious about anything I'm NOT being told about.

JMO.....Casey's movements/calls from the 17th will be very telling.

Blink34
08-13-2008, 11:25 AM
I brought this up last night. THey definitely owned a shovel, but the gardening stuff was kept in a different shed per Cindy on Greta. The Anthony's are a bit shed happy.

I brought this up a few weeks ago when George took investigators to get the gas cans, when the garage door went up- voilla, a shovel and a rake hanging on the wall next to shelves- was it new??

Dr. Pennypacker
08-13-2008, 11:26 AM
Okay... am I missing something here? He knows exactly where she is and who has her, but he's driving all over God's creation hoping someone will see Caylee's picture, recognize her, and make a call? WTF?

I just don't get it.

He has lost his mind.
Really.

BloodHoundSleuther
08-13-2008, 11:27 AM
Okay... am I missing something here? He knows exactly where she is and who has her, but he's driving all over God's creation hoping someone will see Caylee's picture, recognize her, and make a call? WTF?

I just don't get it.

I thought about this in depth last night. I wonder if George is working with LE. His statement "the kidnappers are being watched, they know who they are". This could be a ploy to flush the kidnappers out if they actually do exist, or this could be a ploy to make it seem as if George is still supporting Casey. Either way, I think that it's a psychological trick. George used to be a cop! I don't think he's nuts! I think he is making these comments intentionally and maybe under the direction of LE!

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:27 AM
The shed was not broken into until 6/23-6/24.



I feel the shed scenerio was a "staged" event on June 24th.

shotzie
08-13-2008, 11:27 AM
Like one commentator said "FOLLOW THE MONEY"

Since she charged so much on the Credit Card. what did she buy and on what dates? :confused:
I think that and the Cell phone records are going to bust her:behindbar..hopefully

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:27 AM
Blink 34- Just b/c she used her cell doesn't exclude her from being in the house. I mean look at her phone bill LOL. She probably uses her cell regardless of whether she is in a house with a land line or not. It seems like her and her cell phone were glued at the hip...

not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 11:28 AM
I brought this up a few weeks ago when George took investigators to get the gas cans, when the garage door went up- voilla, a shovel and a rake hanging on the wall next to shelves- was it new??


If you mean is the shovel new, I don't know, but that is in itself yet another discrepancy. Cindy says that there is a shed that they keep the gardening dtuff in, not the same shed as the gas cans, IIRC. She never said the garage, she said shed. I would think that rakes and shovels were gardening supplies. Rakes at the very least. Shovels are kind of multipurpose.

impatientredhead
08-13-2008, 11:29 AM
me too

they have all the phone records, computer records, friends to interview
receipts of purchases, things she might have said that we are not aware of
not to mention the DNA INFO
they have no reason to release any DNA info to anyone right now
why would they want to - it doesnt help them to release it
but no body YET........

she can stay quiet till the cows come home and still convict her
its called circimstantial evidence and its powerful :crazy:

I hope you guys are right. There was a murder in our family, by a family member, no arrest no prosecution. We still don't know exactly what they do have for evidence because of course it is considered an open case, but it being a family member that shared the environments was a major problem, as was the fact that the suspect would not talk. Circumstansial evidence is not always enough.

diablo
08-13-2008, 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amberjack
IMO....One problem....Ecstasy!

http://www.drugfree.org/portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy (http://www.drugfree.org/portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy)

CheckDaFacts (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=32970) How far is Orange Blossom Trail from any of our known locations?

Amberjack Is there a connection between Orange Blossom Trail & esctasy?
Orange Blossom Trail is where the Florida Mall is...13 miles from Hopespring Drive. http://www.simon.com/

And Casey told Lee that she lost her "blackjack" (which some think is code for caylee) on the lower left side of town by the "mall".

worriedmom
08-13-2008, 11:30 AM
Does anyone know where there is no longer a link to the Myspace and Facebook thread? I thought some of the most telling stuff was contained in that thread.

Thanks!

impatientredhead
08-13-2008, 11:30 AM
Morning all, trying to catch up here, don't know if this has already been asked.....

Anyone think it strange that according to the new phone records that nothing was released about the 17th ??? I find it hard to believe she didn't make or receive ANY calls in a 24 hour span.....

Wonder if LE is sending a message like, "We know your movements the 16th & 18th, so if your looking for any deal, you need to step up & discuss your calls/movements on the 17th.......(before these to are also released to the public)........MOO

I would think her SIM chip had to be out of her phone on the 17th if it really turns out that there is NO activity that day.

MitchLite
08-13-2008, 11:31 AM
I thought about this in depth last night. I wonder if George is working with LE. His statement "the kidnappers are being watched, they know who they are". This could be a ploy to flush the kidnappers out if they actually do exist, or this could be a ploy to make it seem as if George is still supporting Casey. Either way, I think that it's a psychological trick. George used to be a cop! I don't think he's nuts! I think he is making these comments intentionally and maybe under the direction of LE!


I thought of this too......maybe the parents are comming across the way they are because they have to lie to help solve the case. If so, they are doing a pretty good job of making themselve look stupid

wallflower67
08-13-2008, 11:31 AM
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
I don't think she buried her either. Digging a hole deep enough to bury a body, even a three year old's body would be HARD work, she doesn't seem like the type to partake in ANY kind of hard work. Not to mention it would've taken a LONG time. JMO

That's what I've been thinking. Just turning up the soil in my garden is hard work! It would take me forever to dig a hole big enough to bury a body, even of a small child.

Fandy
08-13-2008, 11:31 AM
The main reason I don't think Caylee may have been killed by accident is because of her mother's propensity for drama. If Caylee had fallen in the pool, paramedics would have been called, she would have been on tv, her friends all feeling sorry for her: she can pull the poor me poor me act.

How about the thought that is was an *accidental* overdose? Casey has stated in some of her facebook comments that Caylee was active, a sleeping child is less work than one who is lively and awake. Caylee may have stopped breathing, mother of the year panics with the phone calls but doesn't call 911 because the hospital (that could have saved her life) will do tests and then everyone will KNOW that she is giving her child drugs. And G&C will get full custody, end of story.

(I'm sorry if this is re-hashing, i just can't read all the threads, thanks.)

TraceyLeigh
08-13-2008, 11:31 AM
He has lost his mind.
Really.



respectfully snipped...
George used to be a cop! I don't think he's nuts! I think he is making these comments intentionally and maybe under the direction of LE!


LOL.. We all have our opinions don't we? He just has a crazy look in his eyes to me. :crazy:

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:32 AM
I thought about this in depth last night. I wonder if George is working with LE. His statement "the kidnappers are being watched, they know who they are". This could be a ploy to flush the kidnappers out if they actually do exist, or this could be a ploy to make it seem as if George is still supporting Casey. Either way, I think that it's a psychological trick. George used to be a cop! I don't think he's nuts! I think he is making these comments intentionally and maybe under the direction of LE!

My father in law is an ex DC Homicide Detective...DC is the murder capital of the world so he has tons of experience lol. He is in agreement with me that George cannot possibly be as stupid as he seems. He is also allowing his family to blab to the media..not buying it for one minute. It's all an act.

not_my_kids
08-13-2008, 11:32 AM
As far as the ecstasy idea, I think that if Casey were using that particular drug, we would have heard something about her withdrawls, which are he77. Not to mention she does not show the signs of an X addict. I know the signs. I have been in recovery for almost 3 years.
:clap: for me. :)

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 11:32 AM
Lee has been awfully quiet as of late....

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:33 AM
But then again I'm usually suspicious about anything I'm NOT being told about.

JMO.....Casey's movements/calls from the 17th will be very telling.

Yup, the 17th is very telling and we might here more about June 17th phone calls today IMO!

The calls are there based on Mark's reporting and "sources" but there must be a number or something they need to research before the 17th calls are reported.

It would be nice if LE gave us their report of the phone calls.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:33 AM
Lee has been awfully quiet as of late....

He sure has!!!

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 11:34 AM
That's what I've been thinking. Just turning up the soil in my garden is hard work! It would take me forever to dig a hole big enough to bury a body, even of a small child.

As I sai a while back I dug a hole about 31/2 to 4feet deep for a dog that weighted about 120 lbs and never smelled a thing. I weight about 120.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:35 AM
I believe whatever happened, happened between the 17th & 18th (very early am on the 18th).

Supposedly Tony didn't see Caylee on those days. So if she wasn't with Casey, where was she? No one has come forward to say they saw Caylee after the 16th.

Blink34
08-13-2008, 11:35 AM
I feel the shed scenerio was a "staged" event on June 24th.

Staged by whom? Do you mean it was not broken into?
If that is what you mean, I agree, I know the gas was stolen, but I do not believe the shed was broken into to get it

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:35 AM
Does anyone know where there is no longer a link to the Myspace and Facebook thread? I thought some of the most telling stuff was contained in that thread.

Thanks!

As far as I know all that stuff has been set to private by her family...

mommya
08-13-2008, 11:35 AM
If you mean is the shovel new, I don't know, but that is in itself yet another discrepancy. Cindy says that there is a shed that they keep the gardening dtuff in, not the same shed as the gas cans, IIRC. She never said the garage, she said shed. I would think that rakes and shovels were gardening supplies. Rakes at the very least. Shovels are kind of multipurpose.

I remember when Greta went toward the shed and Cindy was talking about what was kept in there and she said lawnmower, weedwhacker - then she said axes - anything for yard work. I was wondering about axes. We live in the country and have but one axe - why would someone living in the city with small property have "axes"? Just curious. I loved it when Greta opened the shed - I think she wanted to see what was really in there - so did I - I was trying to look but didn't really see any of that stuff. It just looked crammed like it wouldn't be easy to get anything out without distubing other stuff.

Did any of you get a good look inside that night on Greta?

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 11:36 AM
He sure has!!!

Makes one wonder how "his" investigation is going

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:36 AM
And Casey told Lee that she lost her "blackjack" (which some think is code for caylee) on the lower left side of town by the "mall".

IIRC...she was saying that the phone was bought at the phone store near the mall. Blackjack is the model phone she had.

BloodHoundSleuther
08-13-2008, 11:36 AM
I thought of this too......maybe the parents are comming across the way they are because they have to lie to help solve the case. If so, they are doing a pretty good job of making themselve look stupid

I totally agree with you on that one! However they are in the middle of their daughter and law enforcement. They will play both sides of the fence even if it makes them look stupid. I think they are desperate and will do anything to find Caylee! We have seen it before where the parent's defend Casey's insane thoughts, we all know this is not normal, but they don't want to close the door on their daughter incase Caylee is still alive. They are between a rock and a hard place.

diablo
08-13-2008, 11:36 AM
I still don't understand if they are so in debt....possible forclosure.......why they spent the money on pavers over the 4th of July

you know why, as you've maintained all along, the GPS are helping to muddy things up.

I wrote in another thread, LE shuold determine when GP first called to have someone install this, was it before JUNE 16th ?

wallflower67
08-13-2008, 11:36 AM
I just read on a different site (I'm following this case all over the place!) regarding the Xanax theory...that she had been drugging Caylee, putting her in the trunk of her car while she partied, and either forgot about her, and/or she died from an overdose, asphyxiation and/or the heat...

I didn't know this but apparently the street name for Xanax is ZANNY!!! As in Casey saying that "Zanny took her!" Zanny the DRUG took her not Zanny the Nanny as we are led to believe!

It's possible she is then either protecting her drug dealer or her mother the nurse--who could have stolen them from the hospital or had a script issued for them! Just another thought!!!

This is what I think happened, instead of drowning. If she drowned, I can't imagine Casey not at least screaming so the neighbors could hear, if not calling 911. That would be a true accident.

Now...if she drugged her kid and left her anywhere, even in an apartment, George and Cindy's house, so she could go out partying, and accidently OD'd her, THAT would be murder. That would be a good reason to hide the body...toxicology would show that Caylee had a lethal amount of Xanax in her blood stream.

I think Casey left Caylee unattended at George and cindy's house to go party, and used the xanax to drug her so she would sleep while Casey was gone.

Then again, if she died at George and cindy's, the cadavar dogs would have hit IN the house, not just outside. So maybe Casey left her somewhere else...backseat of the car, etc.

Carrington
08-13-2008, 11:37 AM
I never thought the shovel she borrowed played a big part.
I think she came around the corner of the neighbors house to steal something.
And, there he was, in his backyard. She saw the shovel and asked to borrow it, spur of the moment, excuse for being in his yard.
IMO

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Makes one wonder how "his" investigation is going

He's a busy man ya know...doing all that investigative work.

QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 11:37 AM
As I sai a while back I dug a hole about 31/2 to 4feet deep for a dog that weighted about 120 lbs and never smelled a thing. I weight about 120.

It certainly can be done.

As we know, it had been raining on the 16th in Orlando, so the soil would have been easier to dig.

It certainly could have been done. Especially if the digger believes that his or her freedom depends on concealing something in that hole.

Elley Mae
08-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Supposedly Tony didn't see Caylee on those days. So if she wasn't with Casey, where was she? No one has come forward to say they saw Caylee after the 16th.

SuziQ didn't Tony's friend/roommate say Casey had been staying at Tony's the last 2 weeks of June before he moved out,as well.

technicalconfusion
08-13-2008, 11:38 AM
I was just reading the article where it described her living conditions in the big house. So nobody is putting money in poor little Casey's account in jail???.WOW her parents must really think she is innocent and must really support her. BOLOGNA...there is another excuse I have to think the whole charade by George and Cindy is indeed a great acting job.

Could be her parents don't have any money, what with all that's going on.


I pretty much thought it had been discussed over here...still found it to be an interesting theory though. I wish I had found this site earlier! :o)

Be careful. This place is highly addicting.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:38 AM
:woohoo: The Keys :woohoo:

Thats a whole different world down there...espically Key West :eek:

I live for my visits there, George better be careful

Oh my, no clue why George is going to the Keys. One rode in and one rode out and most of the time the people there just went to bed because they were up all night! :eek: Only people walking around now are tourists! :)

lostnfound85
08-13-2008, 11:39 AM
The 'zanny' drug nickname has been discussed a few times over here as well as the overdose.

. If you get hooked on xanax you have to WEAN off. If you go cold turkey off of xanax you can have a pal mal seizure and die. .

Never have heard this before. THe only problem with this theory is it's awfully coincindental that it happened just after she left, premeditation seems more in order here.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:39 AM
Absolutely true- and why I dont think the 16th theory at the house fits..
The shed was not broken into until 6/23-6/24.
Decomp in car and dumped 6/27.. where are you putting a dead body all that time?? It just has too many holes, not saying i am right, just saying I have yet to see where a plausible theory makes this all fit to these dates.

That whole 23rd/24th shed, gas can retrieval story and evidently, no decomp smell, just doesn't fit. Just like JG's statement that he heard Caylee on the phone that day. Which we later found out was not true.

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:39 AM
This is what I think happened, instead of drowning. If she drowned, I can't imagine Casey not at least screaming so the neighbors could hear, if not calling 911. That would be a true accident.

Now...if she drugged her kid and left her anywhere, even in an apartment, George and Cindy's house, so she could go out partying, and accidently OD'd her, THAT would be murder. That would be a good reason to hide the body...toxicology would show that Caylee had a lethal amount of Xanax in her blood stream.

I think Casey left Caylee unattended at George and cindy's house to go party, and used the xanax to drug her so she would sleep while Casey was gone.

Then again, if she died at George and cindy's, the cadavar dogs would have hit IN the house, not just outside. So maybe Casey left her somewhere else...backseat of the car, etc.


Well from what I understand cadavar dogs smell decomposing bodies and the gases they release. Someone was stating that IF she drowned in the pool the dogs wouldn't have necessarily hit on the pool etc.

TonyGatto
08-13-2008, 11:41 AM
Hey Blink...this is taken from the Cell PHone record thread:

I would say the first call at 3:03 may have been before any trouble. Then at 4:10 comes the flurry, trying George and then desperately Cindy. Then Tony, JG, Cindy and then -- there is a two hour gap -- where Casey seemingly left the house. Interesting that AH is the final call of the day at 7:32.

Seems that all the calls on the 18th were away from the Anthony home.

It is VERY interesting that the 17th have not been released. Not only do I wonder what the contents are, but also why LE doesn't want to make public.

MD MOMMY
08-13-2008, 11:41 AM
[QUOTE=technicalconfusion;2492998]Could be her parents don't have any money, what with all that's going on.


Not even $1.00 for a hot diggity dog? LOL.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:41 AM
It certainly can be done.

As we know, it had been raining on the 16th in Orlando, so the soil would have been easier to dig.

It certainly could have been done. Especially if the digger believes that his or her freedom depends on concealing something in that hole.

The 24th may be the day the digging began in the backyard, where the pillars are so nicely place down "allegedly" on July 4th! Perhaps the digging up of something or the digging down to bury something.

SusieClue
08-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Haven't read enough today - so sorry if this has been answered or asked.

Can anyone tell me who all went to Puerto Rico on vacation and on what date they left...I know Casey picked up Amy from the airport upon her return and I remember reading myspace comments from Casey about "P.R. stole all of my friends!" and of course JP and Ricardo were from PR - so I'm thinking they may have all gone.

Is there any evidence to suggest that Casey paid them to take Caylee with them to stay with family members for some period of time???

Remember the reverse speech by Casey where she says.
"Boys did this."
"Not this guilty"
"Boys still scared, even though not guilty" (paraphrasing here)
and then the weird call into NG the other night where the male asks NG if the bio Grandparents that have Caylee would get in trouble if they returned her now and would Caylee still be in trouble....AND Casey's hang up with the letter "J" in her affidavit - 1st letter in both (false) outcry witnesses' first names, use of J in J. Blanchard Park, - to point to J.P. , either he has knowledge, or maybe his parents (if bio grandparents) are involved/have Caylee, or something. etc..okay yes I am reaching.

And have investigators gone to P.R. to conduct investigation or are they not allowed to??? (newbie status showing here)

Far fetched I know...:waitasec:

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:43 AM
I would think her SIM chip had to be out of her phone on the 17th if it really turns out that there is NO activity that day.

Help me clear up a question about the 17th calls. I've heard it indicated that they were no calls that day and that they haven't released the calls from that day?

IMO, Casey disabled her phone to stop pings.

shannon718
08-13-2008, 11:43 AM
Okay... am I missing something here? He knows exactly where she is and who has her, but he's driving all over God's creation hoping someone will see Caylee's picture, recognize her, and make a call? WTF?

I just don't get it.

very very very very GOOD point.:chicken:

catsmeow
08-13-2008, 11:43 AM
Oh my, no clue why George is going to the Keys. One rode in and one rode out and most of the time the people there just went to bed because they were up all night! :eek: Only people walking around now are tourists! :)

and the chickens, don't forget all the chickens walking around.

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 11:44 AM
Isn't funny that the 24th keeps popping up?

Jesse thinks he hears Caylee in the background
George reports the shed being broke into and gas cans missing
George enters Casey's trunk to get wedge to fix Cindy car....woahhh gas cans

FloridaKatz
08-13-2008, 11:46 AM
Does anyone know, at what point in the investigation will LE have to tip their hand and show what evidence they have?

Also, if Casey has "the right" to a speedy trial, is there a set time frame when this would have to happen? I also keep hearing the reference to an August 31 date regarding charges, or going to court, or something of that nature, but not sure what the significance of this date is....

TonyGatto
08-13-2008, 11:46 AM
SuziQ didn't Tony's friend/roommate say Casey had been staying at Tony's the last 2 weeks of June before he moved out,as well.

Tony says Casey was there -- but Caylee was not -- and that Casey always maintained that Caylee was at the beach, with Nanny, Parents. This is in affidavit.

MayMay
08-13-2008, 11:46 AM
Haven't read enough today - so sorry if this has been answered or asked.

Can anyone tell me who all went to Puerto Rico on vacation and on what date they left...I know Casey picked up Amy from the airport upon her return and I remember reading myspace comments from Casey about "P.R. stole all of my friends!" and of course JP and Ricardo were from PR - so I'm thinking they may have all gone.

Is there any evidence to suggest that Casey paid them to take Caylee with them to stay with family members for some period of time???

Remember the reverse speech by Casey where she says.
"Boys did this."
"Not this guilty"
"Boys still scared, even though not guilty" (paraphrasing here)
and then the weird call into NG the other night where the male asks NG if the bio Grandparents that have Caylee would get in trouble if they returned her now and would Caylee still be in trouble....AND Casey's hang up with the letter "J" in her affidavit - 1st letter in both (false) outcry witnesses' first names, use of J in J. Blanchard Park, - to point to J.P. , either he has knowledge, or maybe his parents (if bio grandparents) are involved/have Caylee, or something. etc..okay yes I am reaching.

Far fetched I know...:waitasec:
I just thought of something, some might say that the airline would have the name of the child for the ticket, well this might not be the case. I have a 2 1/2 year old and travel very often with her to NY to visit family. Since its a domestic flight I buy an adult ticket and a child ticket, now when in the airport they ask for my ID but never ask for any ID for the child, so any name can be used.

technicalconfusion
08-13-2008, 11:47 AM
:woohoo: The Keys :woohoo:

Thats a whole different world down there...espically Key West :eek:

I live for my visits there, George better be careful

Wonder if he's gonna hit the ghost tour while there?

Amberjack
08-13-2008, 11:47 AM
I just read on a different site (I'm following this case all over the place!) regarding the Xanax theory...that she had been drugging Caylee, putting her in the trunk of her car while she partied, and either forgot about her, and/or she died from an overdose, asphyxiation and/or the heat...

I didn't know this but apparently the street name for Xanax is ZANNY!!! As in Casey saying that "Zanny took her!" Zanny the DRUG took her not Zanny the Nanny as we are led to believe!

It's possible she is then either protecting her drug dealer or her mother the nurse--who could have stolen them from the hospital or had a script issued for them! Just another thought!!!

This makes perfect sense!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zanny

Maybe she was using Xanax to put Caylee asleep in the car while she partied.

But, how did she know Zenaida G. would be looking at Apt. 110?
Was she trailing anyone named Zenaida?

http://www.drugs.com/xanax.html
One side effect of overdose is seizures (Casey in the past)

kbay5
08-13-2008, 11:47 AM
Just to lay the shovel to rest for myself. Let's say she had intended to use it but realized that it was not a good idea and returned it unused. She was probably in a panic and thought she would bury something incriminating but didn't want to use their shovel, mom and dad might notice, okay borrow the neighbors. What can I tell them to make it seem innocent, digging up shoots for Caylee. Then going through the scenarios decided it was too risky. Hence, item left in trunk for a couple of days until she could decide what to do.

donnam
08-13-2008, 11:47 AM
For the record, I and several other ppl I know, have been known to use our cell phones from home, even with the house phone sitting a few feet away. Somehow it's easier to just scroll down and hit send, as opposed to looking up the number on the cell and then dialing on the other phone.

I NEVER use my house phone. It can be sitting right here on my desk and I still will use my cell. In fact, I even have set it up where the house calls are forwarded to my cell.

pizmex
08-13-2008, 11:47 AM
My father in law is an ex DC Homicide Detective...DC is the murder capital of the world so he has tons of experience lol. He is in agreement with me that George cannot possibly be as stupid as he seems. He is also allowing his family to blab to the media..not buying it for one minute. It's all an act.

I agree. Here's what I posted yesterday relative to your thoughts:

I think that even the Anthony family themselves don't believe the illogical stories and explanations they are relaying to the media. It's naive for us to think that George wouldn't see the absurdity of his latest kidnappers-being-watched story, or as another example, that Lee could honestly claim that he has more phone records than LE.

I think it's all part of a deliberate strategy to hope to persuade just one member of the public that might end up on the jury should there be a trial. A conviction must be unanimous; all it takes is one lone holdout in order to hang the jury. The family's seemingly bizarre public statements might be part of a deliberate strategy to try and protect their daughter Casey.

I think that the family has privately resigned themselves to the worst case scenario for Caylee and are now trying to minimize as much as possible, Casey's ultimate punishment. This is not to say that the family no longer holds out hope for a happy ending here. But the family may simultaneously be hoping for the best while expecting the worst.

mommya
08-13-2008, 11:47 AM
I never thought the shovel she borrowed played a big part.
I think she came around the corner of the neighbors house to steal something.
And, there he was, in his backyard. She saw the shovel and asked to borrow it, spur of the moment, excuse for being in his yard.
IMO

Never thought of this - good thinking.

Maybe she just wanted to see if anyone was around over there so she came up with the borrow the shovel thing. When she found someone home there maybe she had to change her plan in some way.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:48 AM
SuziQ didn't Tony's friend/roommate say Casey had been staying at Tony's the last 2 weeks of June before he moved out,as well.


My memory is too fuzzy on that to say for sure.

TonyGatto
08-13-2008, 11:48 AM
Help me clear up a question about the 17th calls. I've heard it indicated that they were no calls that day and that they haven't released the calls from that day?

IMO, Casey disabled her phone to stop pings.

Where do you get info that there WERE NO calls rather than calls were not released? That would be a good Q for LE.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:48 AM
Isn't funny that the 24th keeps popping up?

Jesse thinks he hears Caylee in the background
George reports the shed being broke into and gas cans missing
George enters Casey's trunk to get wedge to fix Cindy car....woahhh gas cans

There was also that 9 day drama at the house myspace post.

MommaD
08-13-2008, 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by catsmeow
The 'zanny' drug nickname has been discussed a few times over here as well as the overdose.

. If you get hooked on xanax you have to WEAN off. If you go cold turkey off of xanax you can have a pal mal seizure and die. .

--------------------------------------------------

oh my catsmeow.. cindy reported that jesse took casey to hospital for a seizure.. thought this was odd.. so many little things cindy lets out .. alot gets ignored.. i am sorry but am not good at searching and doing links etc.. im sure the good ones can google and find this.. she said it like it was really nothing..

Chica
08-13-2008, 11:48 AM
I would say the first call at 3:03 may have been before any trouble. Then at 4:10 comes the flurry, trying George and then desperately Cindy. Then Tony, JG, Cindy and then -- there is a two hour gap -- where Casey seemingly left the house. Interesting that AH is the final call of the day at 7:32.

Seems that all the calls on the 18th were away from the Anthony home.

It is VERY interesting that the 17th have not been released. Not only do I wonder what the contents are, but also why LE doesn't want to make public.

I wish they would tell us where Casey was calling from ... if she was calling from GPs at 3:03, she could have been asking if they stopped home and picked up Caylee ... then she spotted her floating in the pool, and began the flurry of calls at 4:10...???...

catsmeow
08-13-2008, 11:50 AM
Never have heard this before. THe only problem with this theory is it's awfully coincindental that it happened just after she left, premeditation seems more in order here.

I learned this the hard way and joined another board about benzo withdrawal because I had tried to withdraw on my own without knowing the dangers. I had run out and didn't want to go back to the doctor so I just stopped, it was a bad move, I thought I knew better than the doctor. Anyway, I had considered that maybe Caylee had gone into withdrawal because Casey had runout and things got bad.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:50 AM
Staged by whom? Do you mean it was not broken into?
If that is what you mean, I agree, I know the gas was stolen, but I do not believe the shed was broken into to get it


Yup, I mean the shed was not broken into. I don't think the gas cans were stolen either. I just feel the gas cans were not in the shed at the time the police came to the house to check on the robbery.

The 24th set up the events leading to the car in the parking lot on the 27th, knowing it will be towed away eventually. And then knowing it could take an additional 7 plus days to notify the owner the car is in the tow yard.

JMO!

DianeB
08-13-2008, 11:50 AM
I don't think Caylee drowned in the pool at all. I don't think Casey even went inside the house after she left on June 16th. But I feel Casey was in the backyard at some point with Caylee on or after June 16th.If she backed the car up into the garage (opening it with a keypad), she could have gone through the house to the backyard, unless she was unable to open the door inside the garage.

I think it's more likely that she did that than walk around the side of the house carrying something (?) that could be seen by all the neighbors.

Vegas Bride
08-13-2008, 11:51 AM
There's been so much discussion about Casey borrowing the shovel from the neighbor, what did she need it for, did she break into the shed by using the shovel to break the lock? The more I think about this, the less sense it makes. It makes sense the large tools would be kept in the shed, but wouldn't there be something like a hammer kept in the house? A hammer would be much easier to use than a big shovel imo and it wouldn't involve going to a neighbors house. In our home we have a drawer in the kitchen where a hammer is kept, easy to get to when you need it. Isn't something like this pretty normal?
In your own home, would you have every single tool, even small items locked up in a shed?


VB

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:51 AM
and the chickens, don't forget all the chickens walking around.

:clap: You worded that so well! :)

rozey
08-13-2008, 11:52 AM
And Casey told Lee that she lost her "blackjack" (which some think is code for caylee) on the lower left side of town by the "mall".

Yes, I have also considered that the black jack could have been their code word for Caylee. But this case is so bizarre it makes my brain hurt.

tx_Dot
08-13-2008, 11:52 AM
I would think her SIM chip had to be out of her phone on the 17th if it really turns out that there is NO activity that day.

Could be....but I still think phone records from the 17th will be very telling.

SusieClue
08-13-2008, 11:52 AM
I just thought of something, some might say that the airline would have the name of the child for the ticket, well this might not be the case. I have a 2 1/2 year old and travel very often with her to NY to visit family. Since its a domestic flight I buy an adult ticket and a child ticket, now when in the airport they ask for my ID but never ask for any ID for the child, so any name can be used.

Great point! Thank you.

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 11:53 AM
Yup, I mean the shed was not broken into. I don't think the gas cans were stolen either. I just feel the gas cans were not in the shed at the time the police came to the house to check on the robbery.

The 24th set up the events leading to the car in the parking lot on the 27th, knowing it will be towed away eventually. And then knowing it could take an additional 7 plus days to notify the owner the car is in the tow yard.

JMO!

But with that theory you are implying that George is in on/or covering whatever happened to Caylee. Is that a safe assumption?

DianeB
08-13-2008, 11:53 AM
Absolutely true- and why I dont think the 16th theory at the house fits..
The shed was not broken into until 6/23-6/24.
Decomp in car and dumped 6/27.. where are you putting a dead body all that time?? It just has too many holes, not saying i am right, just saying I have yet to see where a plausible theory makes this all fit to these dates.What stops me from thinking that Caylee was alive at that point is the fact that no one - but no one - admits to seeing her after the 16th (and I'm not sure that sighting from George is truthful). Casey's movements are known, though, so where was Caylee during that week?

Unless. She was home with George and Cindy, and for whatever reason they won't reveal this.

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:53 AM
If she backed the car up into the garage (opening it with a keypad), she could have gone through the house to the backyard, unless she was unable to open the door inside the garage.

I think it's more likely that she did that than walk around the side of the house carrying something (?) that could be seen by all the neighbors.

She would have gone through the garage right into the backyard without having to go in the house at all. It's possible there may be a door leading to the backyard from the garage!

Patty G
08-13-2008, 11:54 AM
But with that theory you are implying that George is in on whatever happened to Caylee. Is that a safe assumption?

Very safe assumption.

catsmeow
08-13-2008, 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by catsmeow
The 'zanny' drug nickname has been discussed a few times over here as well as the overdose.

. If you get hooked on xanax you have to WEAN off. If you go cold turkey off of xanax you can have a pal mal seizure and die. .

--------------------------------------------------

oh my catsmeow.. cindy reported that jesse took casey to hospital for a seizure.. thought this was odd.. so many little things cindy lets out .. alot gets ignored.. i am sorry but am not good at searching and doing links etc.. im sure the good ones can google and find this.. she said it like it was really nothing..

REALLY? Ok, that is odd, I wonder when that was and why the seizure happened.
Benzo withdrawal can cause 'Status Epilepticus' which are a protracted type of seizure unlike a regular seizure that occurs when you have epilepsy.

TonyGatto
08-13-2008, 11:55 AM
There's been so much discussion about Casey borrowing the shovel from the neighbor,

VB

Always thought that shovel was not borrowed to break lock. The earlier post about possible robbery attempt is a good one. There was definitely something in the garage, lug wrench from the car, that could have been used. I'm wondering if gas cans/shed break-in may just be a distraction.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:55 AM
Does anyone know, at what point in the investigation will LE have to tip their hand and show what evidence they have?

Also, if Casey has "the right" to a speedy trial, is there a set time frame when this would have to happen? I also keep hearing the reference to an August 31 date regarding charges, or going to court, or something of that nature, but not sure what the significance of this date is....

Unless the case grows cold and it benefits LE to do so, we may get a peek in a probable cause statement if murder charges are filed. We may get a peek at the upcomming arrangment on Aug 21st for the child neglect and OJ charges. Even if we get that, LE will only release a minimal amount of info needed to justify the charges to a judge. LE will hold on to everything they can until there is a trial and only release to Casey's attorney evidence through discovery.

QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 11:56 AM
I'm gonna stick my neck out...don't want to hurt any feelings...

But I don't think this is a Xanax death, suffocation/heat death in the trunk, or an accidental drowning.

Given what we've learned about Miss Casey's obvious anger problem (neighbors hearing her screaming at parents on quite a few occasions), I think that Caylee's death resulted from her explosive temper, and as a sort of sick payback to her parents.

JMHO.

MagnoliaMom
08-13-2008, 11:58 AM
You could be 100% right about the emotional involvement regarding the dumping methods...

but...regarding the photos I think what we see in the photos as outsiders is totally subjective. Personally I see a young woman who is good in posing - and I don't mean necessarily anything fake - but knows how to pose for the camera, how she looks good, how to smile, how to set up cute photos etc. I see a really cute photoalbum with the child with a lot of costumes etc. What about some natural photos? Where there was no celebration or dress up occassion? Haven't seen many of those? She could have easily taken some nice photos with the kid where mom also looks cool and funny and then just hand the baby to her mom.

Just saying...Did you see any pics where the child kisses mommy, has her arms around mommy's neck, chest, holds mommy's face, etc? Casey looks like a cool younger aunt who when visits she takes this fun cute pictures with the child to post on her myspace account. It is dress up fun time. My own subjective opinion of course that could be 100% wrong.

i noticed that caylee had a genuine smile when with her grandparents but almost a forced smile when with her mom.

TonyGatto
08-13-2008, 11:58 AM
What stops me from thinking that Caylee was alive at that point is the fact that no one - but no one - admits to seeing her after the 16th (and I'm not sure that sighting from George is truthful). Casey's movements are known, though, so where was Caylee during that week?

Unless. She was home with George and Cindy, and for whatever reason they won't reveal this.
I think it's safe to say that the "prevailing theory" is that June 16,17 are the key dates in which Caylee went missing. If you throw out the gas cans/shed -- or just put it on the back burner -- and accept that the JG call was either a mistake in recollection on his part or a ruse on Casey's part -- it all fits.

SuziQ
08-13-2008, 11:59 AM
Where do you get info that there WERE NO calls rather than calls were not released? That would be a good Q for LE.

It's been phraised differently by posters and by the media.

pizmex
08-13-2008, 11:59 AM
But with that theory you are implying that George is in on whatever happened to Caylee. Is that a safe assumption?


Very safe assumption.

My initial thoughts were also that the grandparents were in on it after the fact, and that Cindy's 911 calls were staged. Though I must admit that I haven't worked out this theory to make it consistent with all that we know about the case.

manatee
08-13-2008, 11:59 AM
This makes perfect sense!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zanny

Maybe she was using Xanax to put Caylee asleep in the car while she partied.

But, how did she know Zenaida G. would be looking at Apt. 110?
Was she trailing anyone named Zenaida?

http://www.drugs.com/xanax.html
One side effect of overdose is seizures (Casey in the past)

what is so weird about all this Zanaida...somewhere here someone discussed that Baez was somehow associated with a Zanaida (Zanny) from kissimmee...which btw...if there is a Zanaida she is probably Puerto Rican (we have over a million puerto ricans here in Orlando) not an illegal immigrant like some have said. Is there a possible relationship? Is Baez a court appointed attorney or is someone paying him?
So does anyone know about this post I'm talking about. I can't seem to find it.

BloodHoundSleuther
08-13-2008, 11:59 AM
With all of the attention on this case, it's weird to think that there aren't sightings or multiple sightings of Caylee. I've only hard of one sighting up to this point. In every other missing child case you hear about sightings. Makes me thing that Caylee is dead or in hiding. I wonder if LE is watching all those who have some involvement. Maybe following them, watching what purchases they are making. I think the only way Caylee is alive is if she is out of the country or in hiding. Maybe in someones home who won't let her see the light of day!

miss lisa
08-13-2008, 12:00 PM
I'm gonna stick my neck out...don't want to hurt any feelings...

But I don't think this is a Xanax death, suffocation/heat death in the trunk, or an accidental drowning.

Given what we've learned about Miss Casey's obvious anger problem (neighbors hearing her screaming at parents on quite a few occasions), I think that Caylee's death resulted from her explosive temper, and as a sort of sick payback to her parents.

JMHO.

I think her uncontrolled anger is the reason there is no Caylee.

mommya
08-13-2008, 12:01 PM
Yup, I mean the shed was not broken into. I don't think the gas cans were stolen either. I just feel the gas cans were not in the shed at the time the police came to the house to check on the robbery.

The 24th set up the events leading to the car in the parking lot on the 27th, knowing it will be towed away eventually. And then knowing it could take an additional 7 plus days to notify the owner the car is in the tow yard.

JMO!

Patty I love to read your thoughts. Please elaborate. You think George called LE and made a report why then? As a total ruse? Why draw the attention there?

I wonder what George initially said to LE when he notified them to come over regarding the 24th? Maybe he changed his story by the time LE got there - just like the stories keep changing now.

QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 12:01 PM
i noticed that caylee had a genuine smile when with her grandparents but almost a forced smile when with her mom.

I think that's cuz her mom was teaching her to be a little poser.

"Smile like mommy!"

In just about every photo of Casey, her smile looks fake. I remember one photo--the guy captioned the photo with "How did Casey know I was taking her pic?" She seemed to have a built in radar to know a camera was nearby and pointed at her...other people in the photo were going about whatever they were doing, but CAsey oddly was turned toward the camera with a big sheet-eating grin on her face.

Maybe she had started to teach Caylee that terrible habit. :crazy::crazy::crazy:

SeriouslySearching
08-13-2008, 12:01 PM
Where are these "pavers" bought on the fourth weekend everyone is talking about?! You can clearly see the pavers at the back under the patio set/lounge chairs in photos of Caylee taken when she was very small and toddling in the yard so those definitely aren't new.

Where are you getting that Casey did not have access to the house? I strongly disagree with that theory. If she did return on the 24th as George said, it would certainly go towards her having total access to the home. Also, it would indicate she could come and go as she pleased because of the casual mention of grabbing some work clothes. If she had been forced or otherwise barred from the house, Casey would have taken ALL of her clothes! Party animals can't wear the same things time after time if they want to keep up appearances (which we know she was all about that). She had also left Caylee's supposed fav toy behind. Makes no sense.

housemouse
08-13-2008, 12:03 PM
Isn't funny that the 24th keeps popping up?

Jesse thinks he hears Caylee in the background
George reports the shed being broke into and gas cans missing
George enters Casey's trunk to get wedge to fix Cindy car....woahhh gas cans

Perhaps Casey was trying to establish "alibis" that day? Tossing some gorilla dust in the air to keep everyone confused?

DianeB
08-13-2008, 12:03 PM
She would have gone through the garage right into the backyard without having to go in the house at all. It's possible there may be a door leading to the backyard from the garage!Do we know that's how the house is laid out?

TraceyLeigh
08-13-2008, 12:03 PM
Could be....but I still think phone records from the 17th will be very telling.

The fact alone that they haven't let the media see this date's records is very interesting... makes you go hmmmmmm:waitasec:

Vegas Bride
08-13-2008, 12:03 PM
I'm gonna stick my neck out...don't want to hurt any feelings...

But I don't think this is a Xanax death, suffocation/heat death in the trunk, or an accidental drowning.

Given what we've learned about Miss Casey's obvious anger problem (neighbors hearing her screaming at parents on quite a few occasions), I think that Caylee's death resulted from her explosive temper, and as a sort of sick payback to her parents.

JMHO.

Sadly, I have to agree with you here. imo there had to be a reason why Caylee's body could not be seen. A drowning could be explained as accidental. Severe trama to a body you can't just explain away so easily. A little 2 year old would be no match for someone who can fly off the handle.
Everything Casey does is to protect herself.

VB

SeriouslySearching
08-13-2008, 12:03 PM
I think it's safe to say that the "prevailing theory" is that June 16,17 are the key dates in which Caylee went missing. If you throw out the gas cans/shed -- or just put it on the back burner -- and accept that the JG call was either a mistake in recollection on his part or a ruse on Casey's part -- it all fits.That is incorrect. June 15th is the last known sighting of Caylee by an outside, independent source.

Marina2
08-13-2008, 12:03 PM
REALLY? Ok, that is odd, I wonder when that was and why the seizure happened.
Benzo withdrawal can cause 'Status Epilepticus' which are a protracted type of seizure unlike a regular seizure that occurs when you have epilepsy.

Catsmeow, when you say "pal mal" seizure are you referring to a petit mal seizure? I have never heard of a pal mal seizure.

TraceyLeigh
08-13-2008, 12:04 PM
I think her uncontrolled anger is the reason there is no Caylee.


ITA... sadly

robotdog
08-13-2008, 12:04 PM
The fact alone that they haven't let the media see this date's records is very interesting... makes you go hmmmmmm:waitasec:

sure is

smoking gun
:)

MommaD
08-13-2008, 12:04 PM
http://wwwwbipicomlink.blogspot.com/2008/08/did-casey-anthony-leave-caylee-in.html

interesting read if nothing else.. info from a private investigator..