Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #89

[chicoliving]

Continue your general discussion here!

[Girlrilla]

Bringing this over:



What searches??

I'm really confused about this too. Didn't they have lots of ground searches for Trenton Duckett and there wasn't any possible forensic evidence that would lead them to believe he was dead right? So why do they keep saying "We aren't searching because we don't know where to look. She's with a kidnapper!"

Trenton could've been with a kidnapper too, but they still searched for him.

I know people have said that it's been so long that people don't know where to look without a tip, but wouldn't looking somewhere be better than getting the word out with a billboard that is just reinforcing what has been all over the news anyway? That's better than sitting on your butt convincing yourself and the public that a kidnapper who we have no evidence of exists.

I don't presume to know how they feel, it just seems odd there aren't any active searches, that's all. I agree they are living a nightmare but I'm just wondering what's up with the seemingly non-existent "search".

Aside from LE occasionally searching a wooded area or a lake based on a tip, what other searches aside from that psychic group is going on? Hell, weekend searches are still going on for Stacy Peterson.

[Openmyeyes]

thank you chico

[GameTheory]

COULD THIS BE IT????

I also believe Caysee had other reasons for wanting that shovel - other than breaking locks or burying something. Initially I thought it was to provide her alibi........


BUT WHAT IF Cayse went next door to place a phonecall from their home to her own cell phone????? And found the neighbour and had to ask him for something? Since he was out in his garden she asked the first thing she saw in front of her.

What if the person who gave her the shovel is the same person who his number was entered in Cayse's book as the Juliette or Jeff number???????

[QuickAttack]

Thanks, Chico.

[one_hooah_wife]

Exactly! Remember they want US to do the searching.

Why search? ... The omniscient Anthony's know who has their granddaughter ... and "they" are under surveillance ... and "they" know "they" are being watched ... but can't say more for fear "they" will hurt little Caylee ...

Do these people find it as hard to navigate the conflicts in their statements as we do? ... Do they really think that they are weaving a believable tale ... :bang:

[QuickAttack]

Why search? ... The omniscient Anthony's know who has their granddaughter ... and "they" are under surveillance ... and "they" know "they" are being watched ... but can't say more for fear "they" will hurt little Caylee ...

Do these people find it as hard to navigate the conflicts in their statements as we do? ... Do they really think that they are weaving a believable tale ... :bang:

Which is why I believe that Casey's behavior has been learned. Again, the nut didn't fall far from the crazy tree.

[Amster]

I may be totally wrong, but in most cases like this, doesn't the family ask for assistance from TES, Sund, etc.? I know there are organizations that come in for support, organize searches, etc.

[BloodHoundSleuther]

fox news....here we go

[Openmyeyes]

Update from meeting. LE does not believe there is any credible evidence to the kidnapper theory. LE does not want any private investigators working on the case.
The family says their investigators are watching people. LE does not appreciate it.
LE just wants to clarify things.

Personally, I think releasing the psych report and George and Caseys visit tape would clear up things.

OME

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Fox News Reports: There are key individuals that the family beleives are responsible for missing Caylee. Anthony's have their own detectives who are not necessarily working with LE. There are people being investigated and watched. HMMMMMMMM

[SweetDreamOfYou]

COULD THIS BE IT????

I also believe Caysee had other reasons for wanting that shovel - other than breaking locks or burying something. Initially I thought it was to provide her alibi........


BUT WHAT IF Cayse went next door to place a phonecall from their home to her own cell phone????? And found the neighbour and had to ask him for something? Since he was out in his garden she asked the first thing she saw in front of her.

What if the person who gave her the shovel is the same person who his number was entered in Cayse's book as the Juliette or Jeff number???????
wow interesting idea.

[Girlrilla]

Update from meeting. LE does not believe there is any credible evidence to the kidnapper theory. LE does not want any private investigators working on the case.
The family says their investigators are watching people. LE does not appreciate it.
LE just wants to clarify things.

Personally, I think releasing the psych report and George and Caseys visit tape would clear up things.

OME


They probably don't appreciate it because the family's investigators are watching all those poor Zaneidas!

[Blink34]

I may be totally wrong, but in most cases like this, doesn't the family ask for assistance from TES, Sund, etc.? I know there are organizations that come in for support, organize searches, etc.


Absolutely, if your interested in finding your loved one you do

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Well, we have heard again and again that Casey does not trust LE. So, the family hires detectives who are watching key individuals. At least this makes sense with George's comment yesterday.

[puffster]

Update from meeting. LE does not believe there is any credible evidence to the kidnapper theory. LE does not want any private investigators working on the case.
The family says their investigators are watching people. LE does not appreciate it.
LE just wants to clarify things.

Personally, I think releasing the psych report and George and Caseys visit tape would clear up things.

OME
They're basically calling George a liar on the kidnapping stuff.

[DianeB]

COULD THIS BE IT????

I also believe Caysee had other reasons for wanting that shovel - other than breaking locks or burying something. Initially I thought it was to provide her alibi........


BUT WHAT IF Cayse went next door to place a phonecall from their home to her own cell phone????? And found the neighbour and had to ask him for something? Since he was out in his garden she asked the first thing she saw in front of her.

What if the person who gave her the shovel is the same person who his number was entered in Cayse's book as the Juliette or Jeff number???????I'm not getting the significance. Whether that neighbor was in the house or working in the yard, how would she have made a call from the neighbor's phone without asking the neighbor to use it?

Are you thinking she would have broken into their house to use the phone?

[catsmeow]

They probably don't appreciate it because the family's investigators are watching all those poor Zaneidas!

OMG! I feel so badly for Zeneida's all around Florida AND Puerto Rico probably.
They can probably look forward to a lawsuit or two after all is said and done for defamation. LOL!

[DianeB]

Fox reporting Cindy very emotional today when talking to local Orlando reporter.

This is the same reporter (Holly someone?) Cindy said "gets" them. This is kind of weird - it's almost as if the local reporter is acting as a spokesperson?

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Fox Reports: Cindy Anthony was very emotional today. Cindy is still claimimg to believe in Casey. They are planning on visiting Casey tomorrow in jail.

[QuickAttack]

Reporter from Orlando: Cindy is emotional about a lot of things. Caylee's bedtime is hard, they tend to get very emotional.

She believes in her daughter...doesn't believe Casey did any harm to Caylee. Deep down in gut believes Caylee is alive.

Scheduled to see Casey tomorrow...said Casey probably won't talk to them...but just wants to go see how she's doing.

Family is having communication with Baez.

She's afraid if she goes in, she'll ask too many questions of Casey, and info that shouldn't get out will get out.

Four or five local news vans at the home now. People obsessed with the case.

Why aren't Cindy and George out searching? they are actually going to talk to people who have fed in tips.

[catsmeow]

Fox reporting Cindy very emotional today when talking to local Orlando reporter.

This is the same reporter (Holly someone?) Cindy said "gets" them. This is kind of weird - it's almost as if the local reporter is acting as a spokesperson?

Cindy is saying that 'Holly' the local reporter 'gets' them? Oy vey that Cindy gets stranger and stranger.

[Fandy]

am not sure if this has been mentioned before, and this probably is not the correct forum. I could not find the forum that related to Casey's possible mental illness, so I chose to bring this up here.

I noticed in the affidavit that Casey's ex-fiance, Jesse Grund, took Casey to the hospital because she was having a seizure. Has anyone found out anything else about this? Does she have a history of epilepsy or was it a one time thing. (snip)

I've wondered about this too, especially after reading on the other thread that you need to wean off of Xanex to not have this occur. (Although I took Xanex on a PRN basis for a couple of years during my divorce and never had an issue with stopping it, or this warning from my doc.)

[QuickAttack]

In two minutes, Cindy Anthony interview from moments ago will be on Fox.

[aprilshowers]

Did anybody get the website address that Fox just gave out, to post your opinion on if you believe George or not?

It was something like: www.america-talks.com

Thanks

[Chezhire]

Well, we have heard again and again that Casey does not trust LE. So, the family hires detectives who are watching key individuals. At least this makes sense with George's comment yesterday.

anyone found any substantiated facts behind why Casey doesn't trust local LE?

[impatientredhead]

They're basically calling George a liar on the kidnapping stuff.

I mentioned yesterday that I think George and Cindy are repeating whatever Casey tells them through Baez. No one wants to believe their grandchild is dead and that their daughter killed her. You can see them coming apart as it becomes harder and harder to deny. I think they are nutty, no doubt.

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Why search? ... The omniscient Anthony's know who has their granddaughter ... and "they" are under surveillance ... and "they" know "they" are being watched ... but can't say more for fear "they" will hurt little Caylee ...

Do these people find it as hard to navigate the conflicts in their statements as we do? ... Do they really think that they are weaving a believable tale ... :bang:

:truce:

[DianeB]

Cindy is saying that 'Holly' the local reporter 'gets' them? Oy vey that Cindy gets stranger and stranger.She said that very early on, when her relationship with the national media was contentious and her experience in being interviewed was more limited.

I think her point was that the local news stations were more sympathetic to the family than big bad Nance & Greta.

[Girlrilla]

anyone found any substantiated facts behind why Casey doesn't trust local LE?

Not sure. She's never had any brushes with the law (either she started stealing only recently or was never caught or turned in).

[Dr. Pennypacker]

In two minutes, Cindy Anthony interview from moments ago will be on Fox.

Oh that should be a real knee slapper......LOL

[BloodHoundSleuther]

http://www.local6.com/index.html
ORLANDO, Fla. -- FBI agents are now checking into some of the daily threats targeting the family of a missing Orlando girl as a national search for the child continues.

"The sheriff's department (and) the FBI are looking into this," missing Caylee Anthony's grandfather, George, said. "Whenever you start threatening people with bodily harm, that's a problem."

[tttterri]

Is three minutes up yet?

[ketel0ne]

The Anthony's need to the choose truth over Casey just once.

[DianeB]

http://www.local6.com/index.html
ORLANDO, Fla. -- FBI agents are now checking into some of the daily threats targeting the family of a missing Orlando girl as a national search for the child continues.

"The sheriff's department (and) the FBI are looking into this," missing Caylee Anthony's grandfather, George, said. "Whenever you start threatening people with bodily harm, that's a problem."I thought Cindy said yesterday that the family was discarding them without bothering to inform LE.

What is with these people?

[QuickAttack]

Oh that should be a real knee slapper......LOL

OK...she says that they're getting more than 50 TIPS DAILY ON THEIR CELLPHONES?

WTF? Why aren't those being forward to LE? Why are she and George out interviewing tipsters themselves??

[one_hooah_wife]

...not to barge in here...but I saw smeone on the last hread mentioned being a recovering ecstasy addict...and I'm wondering if they ever experienced seizures...either while taking or trying to quit...???

I do know that withdrawal from Xanax if not done properly ... ie. taking it regularly and then stopping abruptly is very likely to cause seizures ... In the hospital we always continue Xanax if the person was taking it at home because of the danger of seizures ... and w/d it slowly over several days to a week. I know that there are many other drugs (legal or not) that lower a persons seizure threshold. I don't know specifically about MDMA /ecstasy. I do know that ecstasy use a lot of times manifests in acute water intoxication ... which might cause among other things seizures.

[puffster]

"She has been a model inmate," said jail spokesman Allen Moore. "She hasn't made any unusual demands and has been very cooperative."
www.orlandosentinel.com

[TraceyLeigh]

Oh that should be a real knee slapper......LOL

:D hehehehe

[Openmyeyes]

The tape of Cindy was just her talking about how many calls she gets daily, how many letters she gets daily, how she is setting up Caylee stationary, and how hard it is to reply to emails. It looked as if she was sitting off of her property, perhaps at the sheriffs department, holding up her head with her hand. She seemed to be exhausted, and probably not up for a long drive.

OME

[robotdog]

"She has been a model inmate," said jail spokesman Allen Moore. "She hasn't made any unusual demands and has been very cooperative."
www.orlandosentinel.com

isnt that special :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[tttterri]

I sneezed and missed Cindys interview by Fox. geee. lol FOX is getting on my last nerve today as usual!

[Openmyeyes]

George info coming up - Fox went to commercial.

[Chezhire]

Bad news, folks. See thread discussion here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68929&page=4

starting with post #89, Sheriff's office source says they don't believe Caylee is alive...

[catsmeow]

am not sure if this has been mentioned before, and this probably is not the correct forum. I could not find the forum that related to Casey's possible mental illness, so I chose to bring this up here.

I noticed in the affidavit that Casey's ex-fiance, Jesse Grund, took Casey to the hospital because she was having a seizure. Has anyone found out anything else about this? Does she have a history of epilepsy or was it a one time thing. (snip)

I've wondered about this too, especially after reading on the other thread that you need to wean off of Xanex to not have this occur. (Although I took Xanex on a PRN basis for a couple of years during my divorce and never had an issue with stopping it, or this warning from my doc.)

I was put on xanax when I went through my divorce too, before I knew it I was on 1 mg 3x a day (total 3mg a day). When you do something like this for a prolonged period of time you have to wean. I tried to just stop and it was horrific and something I hope to never experience again. It has taken me years to get the courage to try to wean because I was afraid to experience any of those feelings again even under doctor supervision instead of just me doing something on my own. Granted, I did not know what I was getting into when I started taking them and had no clue it should have been short term.

[Chezhire]

I do know that withdrawal from Xanax if not done properly ... ie. taking it regularly and then stopping abruptly is very likely to cause seizures ... In the hospital we always continue Xanax if the person was taking it at home because of the danger of seizures ... and w/d it slowly over several days to a week. I know that there are many other drugs (legal or not) that lower a persons seizure threshold. I don't know specifically about MDMA /ecstasy. I do know that ecstasy use a lot of times manifests in acute water intoxication ... which might cause among other things seizures.

that's what I thought to be the case. thanks for responding...

[LaLaw2000]

I thought Cindy said yesterday that the family was discarding them without bothering to inform LE.

What is with these people?

Cindy certainly did say that on national tv.

[puffster]

Bad news, folks. See thread discussion here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68929&page=4

starting with post #89, Sheriff's office source says they don't believe Caylee is alive...

THERE IS NOTHING NEW HERE. The graphic said a source in the Sherrif's office says police believe Caylee MAY be dead. MAY have been killed in an accident. Of course police think she MAY have been killed and possibly in an accident. The next line would be -- we hold out hope that she may be alive.

[Chezhire]

Bad news, folks. See thread discussion here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68929&page=4

starting with post #89, Sheriff's office source says they don't believe Caylee is alive...

so...what do you think? more unsubstantiated "news," or something to now really worry about (as if we're not all areadly worried to the core)

[puffster]

Ambush interview on cindy fox right now

[Chezhire]

THERE IS NOTHING NEW HERE. The graphic said a source in the Sherrif's office says police believe Caylee MAY be dead. MAY have been killed in an accident. Of course police think she MAY have been killed and possibly in an accident. The next line would be -- we hold out hope that she may be alive.

it could be new, what with the round table discussion going on - thus why I asked just above whether or not it's something to really be concerned with...
thoughts?

[my2cents]

I thought Cindy said yesterday that the family was discarding them without bothering to inform LE.

What is with these people?

Jeez, I've just learned to accept that what is said one day will be completely opposite the next day :rolleyes:

[one_hooah_wife]

I thought Cindy said yesterday that the family was discarding them without bothering to inform LE.

What is with these people?

They are liars ...

" Identifying a Pathological Liar" "...6. Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren't smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?)." snipped

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_tell_if_someone_is_a_pathological_liar

[one_hooah_wife]

Cindy Anthony on Fox now: "I believe that she (Casey) has told them (LE) everything she can possibly tell them"

I call BS BIGTIME

[MayMay]

What is most saddening is that as days go by we the public are becoming more and more disgusted with this case. I hope this little girl is still alive, again A hope as I doubt it. I am slowly loosing interest but its due to anger, anger at this mom (Casey) sitting there and playing with the world and anger at Cindy and Geroge for protecting the little B***h and playing along with her game. I hope that when all this is over, if it is ever over, Casey rots in jail. It was stated she is a model inmate, maybe she's getting used to the place cause she knows from there to the grave.

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

...not to barge in here...but I saw smeone on the last hread mentioned being a recovering ecstasy addict...and I'm wondering if they ever experienced seizures...either while taking or trying to quit...???


There is, actually, many reason why someone would have seizures be it drug related or an existing condition. That is why I would like to know what caused it. I do not think that anyone has said she was a drug addict. I am sure they have probably tested her at this point. One thing is for sure, if she has been having chronic seizures, despite whether or not they are intense or miniscule, then she might have a legitimate reason for her behavior.

[Lanie]

Cindy certainly did say that on national tv.

Now there is a possibility after Cindy said this on national TV, LE asked for these threats to be turned over.
Lanie

[SelmaClue]

That comment was made in jest, I'm sure. regarding:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SelmaClue View Post
I will respectfully disagree that they just want freebies. Their grandchild is missing and George is unemployed. I beg y'all to cut them some slack. You're not walking in their shoes and neither am I and I thank GOD I am not.
That comment was made in jest, I'm sure.

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No, it was not made in jest.
:blowkiss:

[ketel0ne]

Cindy Anthony on Fox now: "I believe that she (Casey) has told them (LE) everything she can possibly tell them"

I call BS BIGTIME

Yeah everything but the TRUTH.

[catsmeow]

Cindy Anthony on Fox now: "I believe that she (Casey) has told them (LE) everything she can possibly tell them"

I call BS BIGTIME

How can Cindy actually say something like this with a straight face? Does she mean that Casey has tolde them everything she can actually tell them without self incrimination, perhaps????? That might be a more accurate statement. :behindbar

[Openmyeyes]

Fox caught up with George. He believes his daughter. "We know you kidnapped our granddaughter. You are being watched." He said it again.

Phil Keating - Cindy just arrived. Phil won't even go up to her, but changed their minds and are going over. cindy came down driveway. Asked about her meeting with LE.
She says its a relationship building experience. (Oh, for gawds sake). Can't say where
Casey was at. They are trying to piece it together. LE said only Casey can give them a starting point. Cindy was not at the presser. Any way to push Casey to get more info?
Cindy believes Casey has told them everything she knows and she doesn't know where Caylee is at. She says the investigation is not at a standstill. LE cannot go forward on
a kidnapping case because all they have is an apartment that was vacant for 120 days.
Cindy can't comment because she did hear press release.

Cindy stood there looking at the ground, looking up at Phil Keating once in a while, licking her lips.

OME

[puffster]

LE says they don't want private investigation. They don't really have any control over that unless private investigators step over the line into illegal activity.

[housemouse]

Ambush interview on cindy fox right now

I didn't see it that way. Cindy strolled down the driveway to talk to the Fox reporter. She could have closed the garage door, and gone straight into the house.

Just my opinion, of course.

[ketel0ne]

Fox caught up with George. He believes his daughter. "We know you kidnapped our granddaughter. You are being watched." He said it again.

Phil Keating - Cindy just arrived. Phil won't even go up to her, but changed their minds and are going over. cindy came down driveway. Asked about her meeting with LE.
She says its a relationship building experience. (Oh, for gawds sake). Can't say where
Casey was at. They are trying to piece it together. LE said only Casey can give them a starting point. Cindy was not at the presser. Any way to push Casey to get more info?
Cindy believes Casey has told them everything she knows and she doesn't know where Caylee is at. She says the investigation is not at a standstill. LE cannot go forward on
a kidnapping case because all they have is an apartment that was vacant for 120 days.
Cindy can't comment because she did hear press release.

Cindy stood there looking at the ground, looking up at Phil Keating once in a while, licking her lips.

OME

They are trying to change the timeline and still interject a babysitter/kidnapping.

[SuziQ]

OK...she says that they're getting more than 50 TIPS DAILY ON THEIR CELLPHONES?

WTF? Why aren't those being forward to LE? Why are she and George out interviewing tipsters themselves??

I don't like that at all. Because what if someone called and said they saw Casey near a dumpster or something. I doubt the Anthony's would call that in to LE.

[sciteach]

LE says they don't want private investigation. They don't really have any control over that unless private investigators step over the line into illegal activity.

I would guess that what they mean is that they feel the family should NOT be using private investigators and that their (the investigators) are hindering LE investigations

[puffster]

I didn't see it that way. Cindy strolled down the driveway to talk to the Fox reporter. She could have closed the garage door, and gone straight into the house.

Just my opinion, of course.
OK...I'll go with that. Live and impromptu on national television.

[Openmyeyes]

Absolut - George is for sure.

[sweetmop]

Tell it! amen!

I like that investigator speaking on FOX right now!

[Chezhire]

it could be new, what with the round table discussion going on - thus why I asked just above whether or not it's something to really be concerned with...
thoughts?

See this link, too, to consider when deciding if it's new info or not:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17177112/detail.html

[one_hooah_wife]

There is, actually, many reason why someone would have seizures be it drug related or an existing condition. That is why I would like to know what caused it. I do not think that anyone has said she was a drug addict. I am sure they have probably tested her at this point. One thing is for sure, if she has been having chronic seizures, despite whether or not they are intense or miniscule, then she might have a legitimate reason for her behavior.

I respectfully disagree ... I personally think there is NO legitimate reason for her behavior mentally ill or not ... however, I do think that they are attempting to lay the groundwork for an insanity defense! IIRC on one of Casey's profiles .... it listed her favorite TV shows as CSI and Law and Order. These shows have plot lines that are very similar all of the time... I think that she believes that by sticking to her original story ... even when it is found to be false, her mental state will mitigate the circumstances of her crime ...

again JMO

[Fandy]

Fox caught up with George. He believes his daughter. "We know you kidnapped our granddaughter. You are being watched." He said it again. (snipped)
OME

Isn't this blatantly against what LE just asked for them not to do publicly?

I know these people are suffering, but can't they just be stopped from spouting nonsense legally?

[shannon718]

Reporter from Orlando: Cindy is emotional about a lot of things. Caylee's bedtime is hard, they tend to get very emotional.

She believes in her daughter...doesn't believe Casey did any harm to Caylee. Deep down in gut believes Caylee is alive.

Supporting and Loving Casey as a mother is quite natural and expected, lending credence to Casey's lies is a whole other thing and what I personally fault her for. How Cindy do you respond to all of your daughters lies and lack of emotion regarding Caylee and what that might implicate has happened to your grandaughter?

Scheduled to see Casey tomorrow...said Casey probably won't talk to them...but just wants to go see how she's doing.

Is Casey upset with you for cooperating with LE as of late, calling them to give them receipts or further evidence that you feel may be important to get to the bottom of all of this? As I recall Casey has not visited or spoken to one family member since this day

Family is having communication with Baez.

Is "communication with Baez" really communication with Casey in lieu of visits and conversations that would be taped and possibly released?"

She's afraid if she goes in, she'll ask too many questions of Casey, and info that shouldn't get out will get out.

I think its the other way around, Casey is afraid that if Cindy comes in she will have to ANSWER too many questions and she does not have answers only lies. Time has passed and LE has more info than ever now. Casey does not want to answer to her lies. IMH

Four or five local news vans at the home now. People obsessed with the case.

People are "obsessed" with the case because he borders on the "fantastic" The public is stunned because of all of the antics, lies, inconsistencies, and showboating that has been going on since day one. Taking a page out of the Sharon Rocha handbook on how to handle the media in a time of tragedy to your advantage would benefit all of the Anthony's right now. You cannot complain about the circus if you are lending a hand in creating the circus in the first place.

Why aren't Cindy and George out searching? they are actually going to talk to people who have fed in tips.

Again, let LE do their job and cooperate in a normal way instead of cooperating and then telling the media that "you know who has your grand daughter" "they know they are being watched. " And by the way if you KNOW who has her why are you driving around with that billboard making a scene. Insinuating that you are running your own investigation is insinuating that that LE & FBI don't know how or care to look for your alleged kidnappers. Which i have a very hard time believing. Stop the games Anthony's, park your billboard outside of your daughters cell and don't move it until she talks. There are no kidnappers. Casey took Caylee away. Period.

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Cindy Anthony on Fox now: "I believe that she (Casey) has told them (LE) everything she can possibly tell them"

I call BS BIGTIME

When Casey does tells LE everything she knows little Caylee will be found.:behindbar

[Chica]

[QUOTE=SelmaClue;2493986]regarding:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SelmaClue View Post
I will respectfully disagree that they just want freebies. Their grandchild is missing and George is unemployed. I beg y'all to cut them some slack. You're not walking in their shoes and neither am I and I thank GOD I am not.
That comment was made in jest, I'm sure.

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and I totally agree with you Selma...it hurts my heart the way the grandparents are being raked over the coals. Although I don't agree with the way they are handling their grief (I think they should have a PR person speaking for them), far be it for me to judge the way they handle their grief. Their hearts are breaking, and every day they hear more and more people tell them there is no hope left for Caylee to be alive...I can't begin to imagine how awful it is. They must feel like they are fighting against the entire world, and not only do they not know the wherabouts of their grandaughter - or even whether or not she is alive - they are very likely losing their daughter as well...I pray for them every day when I pray for Caylee to be found...

[QuickAttack]

I don't like that at all. Because what if someone called and said they saw Casey near a dumpster or something. I doubt the Anthony's would call that in to LE.

Exactly.

I really hope LE has tapped their phone. :furious:

[Chica]

How can Cindy actually say something like this with a straight face? Does she mean that Casey has tolde them everything she can actually tell them without self incrimination, perhaps????? That might be a more accurate statement. :behindbar

I think Cindy can't bring herself to think the only other alternative...

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Fox caught up with George. He believes his daughter. "We know you kidnapped our granddaughter. You are being watched." He said it again.
OME

Stop it.
Your killing me.
This is like a sitcom from HELL.:furious:

[lawlady84]

I would guess that what they mean is that they feel the family should NOT be using private investigators and that their (the investigators) are hindering LE investigations

I hope they have the names of the "investigators" to watch what they are doing - in a live crime its a very thin line between "private investigating" and obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence, concealing a crime, even leading to accessory after the fact (if you're "cleaning up")

Not sure what the FL law is, but NY & fed have very loose accessory after the fact laws. All of these people should watch out - I wonder if that would get casey to talk, arresting good ole dad

[Fandy]

Again, let LE do their job and cooperate in a normal way instead of cooperating and then telling the media that "you know who has your grand daughter" "they know they are being watched. " And by the way if you KNOW who has her why are you driving around with that billboard making a scene. Insinuating that you are running your own investigation is insinuating that that LE & FBI don't know how or care to look for your alleged kidnappers. Which i have a very hard time believing. Stop the games Anthony's, park your billboard outside of your daughters cell and don't move it until she talks. There are no kidnappers. Casey took Caylee away. Period.


totally agree! :furious::clap::clap::clap:

[puffster]

See this link, too, to consider when deciding if it's new info or not:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17177112/detail.html

No. There is nothing new here. Someone in the Sherrif's office says that they are working on the POSSIBILITY that she MAY be dead. Which means they are also working on the possibility that she is alive. We can all guess which theory is in their collective gut. There is a quote from a Julie Herring. in this arteicle. Do you know who that is? She's not identified so I'm guessing it's just some jane shmo. The rest of the stuff is re-hashed Padilla stuff from days ago in which he actually says they have no evidence that she is not alive. So if you think that it is new that someone in the Sherrif's office says that police kind of think that she may be dead -- it's new. Otherwise it is not.

[sciteach]

I hope they have the names of the "investigators" to watch what they are doing - in a live crime its a very thin line between "private investigating" and obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence, concealing a crime, even leading to accessory after the fact (if you're "cleaning up")

Not sure what the FL law is, but NY & fed have very loose accessory after the fact laws. All of these people should watch out - I wonder if that would get casey to talk, arresting good ole dad

Doubt it... she is WAY too in to herself... it's unfortunate but if all she cares about on day one is the BF's phone #, doubtful she gives a crap if dad gets arrested

[housemouse]

Sure wish I could find good ol' George's birthdate!

Any sleuthers in the Youngstown-Warren Ohio area who could do some researching to see if they can find one for me?

Also would like Lee's, and I think that would be easiest to find up there too.

[ketel0ne]

There could be a signifigant amount of blame to go to the Baez team for the Anthony's denial.

Baez had visited Casey 14 out of the 28 days she has been jail, sometimes multiple times a day. Whatever she has spun to him, he has people investigating and now is feeding gpa and gma.

[Openmyeyes]

Isn't this blatantly against what LE just asked for them not to do publicly?

I know these people are suffering, but can't they just be stopped from spouting nonsense legally?

One would think so, but Cindy claims to not to know what was said in the press release. They obviously weren't in on the roundtable. This makes me wonder how strongly Cindy really believes the kidnapper theory. George is out there thumpin' the stump about this, dragging the billboard behind him.
Meanwhile we have Cindy meeting with LE this morning for a relationship building session. If they wanted George to stop, do you think it came up in their conversations this morning? If it did, don't you think Cindy would have called George right away and passed it on. George did give the impression he was being defiant.

I need a break from this for a minute my head is starting to pound.

OME

[imnotheonlyone]

Stop it.
Your killing me.
This is like a sitcom from HELL.:furious:

Couldn't have described it better myself :steamed:

[tttterri]

I think Cindy can't bring herself to think the only other alternative... If it was me, I wouldnt sit down until the proof was put in front of me. Hey, Im not her and I still am hanging on to the hope that Caylee is out there alive so I can see where Cindy is coming from as a grandmother who has been with the baby since birth.

[Themis]

Personally, I think releasing the psych report and George and Caseys visit tape would clear up things.

OME

The tape from George and Casey's visit is not confidential or privileged and could be released. The psych report is confidential and privileged and can only be released via Casey's consent alone or court order. Court will not rule to release psych report if Casey's attorney objects because it is confidential and privileged -- not subject to public records disclosure or even discovery in a civil case. State's Attorney must protect the privilege.

[Vegas Bride]

Is there any way the sheriff could get Tony to work with them to try and get Casey talking? I'm thinking he might be the only one. I don't believe he's been in contact with her at all since her arrest and I can understand why he would want to have distance between them, but if there's any chance in he[[ it could get her to open up some imo it would be worth a try.

I'm also predicting that before this is all over and done and Casey is on trial, either with a body found or not, she is going to try and drag anybody she can into this, she will say her mother did it, her father did it or her boyfriend did it, anybody but the one who actually did!

VB

[Coriess]

Just a quick thought -
With GP being former LE isn't it odd he'd choose to work with investigators that are private? Odd that Casey doesn't 'trust' LE? I mean, her father and Jesse were both involved in LE, right? It almost makes me think GP is racing against LE to find the "facts" for damage control.
Just thinking out loud. ;)

[lawlady84]

Baez creeps me out and gives me a really bad feeling. I am all for justice and am usually much more supportive of defense lawyers than the average person, but there is a difference between representing your clients legal rights and telling her not to talk to anyone than running around spreading lies.

He should have told her on day one, "Listen - the apartment was empty, none of these people exist, and LE is proving this as we speak. You do not have to incriminate yourself, and if you did something illegal you do not have to tell me - but you cannot tell lies, impede an investigation, and perjure yourself so plead the 5th and do not talk to anyone anymore."

If she just shut up from day one she probably wouldn't even be in jail. Not that that's a good thing, of course, but this manipulation on the part of Baez & Casey really gives defense lawyers the reputation they have

[robotdog]

there will be a confession

[lawlady84]

The tape from George and Casey's visit is not confidential or privileged and could be released. The psych report is confidential and privileged and can only be released via Casey's consent alone or court order. Court will not rule to release psych report if Casey's attorney objects because it is confidential and privileged -- not subject to public records disclosure or even discovery in a civil case. State's Attorney must protect the privilege.

I'm pretty sure in a federal civil case you can order a defendant to undergo a psych eval. People can be ordered produced for a physical evaluation as well. I'm going to double check, but from the CivPro days I thought only attorney workproduct was absolutely privileged. I could be way off though

[ketel0ne]

there will be a confession

there will?

[one_hooah_wife]

Just a quick thought -
With GP being former LE isn't it odd he'd choose to work with investigators that are private? Odd that Casey doesn't 'trust' LE? I mean, her father and Jesse were both involved in LE, right? It almost makes me think GP is racing against LE to find the "facts" for damage control.
Just thinking out loud. ;)

Melinda Duckett didn't trust local law enforcement either!! Hmmmmm ... Theme: Guilty mom's don't trust LE ... perhaps?

[DianeB]

They must feel like they are fighting against the entire world, and not only do they not know the wherabouts of their grandaughter - or even whether or not she is alive - they are very likely losing their daughter as well...I pray for them every day when I pray for Caylee to be found...The reason they are being 'raked over the coals' is because they are L Y I N G.

The world would not be against them if they didn't spout so much nonsense every time they're in front of a camera and contradict themselves at every turn.

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again - we have hit the point of compassion fatigue for the Anthony family.

The reason that people are obsessing about this situation is because someone has to speak up for little Caylee. It sure as hell isn't her mother, and the grandparents are too busy defending their daughter to face reality.

[AKMom]

[QUOTE=SelmaClue;2493986]regarding:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SelmaClue View Post
I will respectfully disagree that they just want freebies. Their grandchild is missing and George is unemployed. I beg y'all to cut them some slack. You're not walking in their shoes and neither am I and I thank GOD I am not.
That comment was made in jest, I'm sure.

-------
and I totally agree with you Selma...it hurts my heart the way the grandparents are being raked over the coals. Although I don't agree with the way they are handling their grief (I think they should have a PR person speaking for them), far be it for me to judge the way they handle their grief. Their hearts are breaking, and every day they hear more and more people tell them there is no hope left for Caylee to be alive...I can't begin to imagine how awful it is. They must feel like they are fighting against the entire world, and not only do they not know the wherabouts of their grandaughter - or even whether or not she is alive - they are very likely losing their daughter as well...I pray for them every day when I pray for Caylee to be found...

It's so nice to hear some compassion toward the grandparents; I keep thinking how sad it would make Caylee to hear such callous things about the grandma and grandpa she loved so much. Bless their hearts-their lives will never be the same.

[DianeB]

Just a quick thought -
With GP being former LE isn't it odd he'd choose to work with investigators that are private? Odd that Casey doesn't 'trust' LE? I mean, her father and Jesse were both involved in LE, right? It almost makes me think GP is racing against LE to find the "facts" for damage control.
Just thinking out loud. ;)I think Casey doesn't 'trust' LE because she's afraid of them, and rightly so. It's LE that has the power to put her in jail and throw away the key, and they may be able to do it without her ever opening her mouth.

[ketel0ne]

If Caylee was 13 and not 3 and reading here and kidnapped, she would not understand the actions and words of her gpa's or her mother.

[Coriess]

Melinda Duckett didn't trust local law enforcement either!! Hmmmmm ... Theme: Guilty mom's don't trust LE ... perhaps?

Interesting the parallels there. I suppose it would be rather difficult to talk to LE if you know you are involved in something sinister. :furious:

[nachomama]

Sure wish I could find good ol' George's birthdate!

Any sleuthers in the Youngstown-Warren Ohio area who could do some researching to see if they can find one for me?

Also would like Lee's, and I think that would be easiest to find up there too.


I think Georges birthdate was listed on the police report they had made out when he reported the Gsa Cans stolen...

I just can't find where it is...

[Themis]

I'm pretty sure in a federal civil case you can order a defendant to undergo a psych eval. People can be ordered produced for a physical evaluation as well. I'm going to double check, but from the CivPro days I thought only attorney workproduct was absolutely privileged. I could be way off though
This psych eval, ordered by the state court to determine competency to stand trial - of sufficient mental capacity to basically understand the proceedings and assist her defense counsel, is releasable to the court. What you are talking about -- in a federal civil trial to compel someone to undergo a psych eval when they have put their mental status in issue is an entirely different animal. A court-ordered psych eval in a state criminal case would not be released to be used in a federal civil case.

[Openmyeyes]

I look at it this way. The Anthonys, who initially wanted their daughter arrested for grand theft, opened up a can of worms they weren't prepared to address. They didn't think it thru and are now stuck with the consequences of their actions. LE is in control of the investigation, as it should have been from the start. Cindy tried to call Caseys bluff and it backfired. Now, George is following in Cindy's footsteps and is trying to call
LE's bluff. How is this helping? Cindy building a relationship with LE and George is saying things that go completely against what LE is saying? Something is definately wrong with this picture.

OME

[drip~drop]

Fox Reports: Cindy Anthony was very emotional today. Cindy is still claimimg to believe in Casey. They are planning on visiting Casey tomorrow in jail.

Cindy said she wants to talk to casey privately.
Can she do that? Is there going to be some kind of special treatment happening?:waitasec:

[DianeB]

I think Georges birthdate was listed on the police report they had made out when he reported the Gsa Cans stolen...

I just can't find where it is...9/5/51.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0729/17025790.pdf

[one_hooah_wife]

I'm pretty sure in a federal civil case you can order a defendant to undergo a psych eval. People can be ordered produced for a physical evaluation as well. I'm going to double check, but from the CivPro days I thought only attorney workproduct was absolutely privileged. I could be way off though

If I remember correctly from CrimPro ... I think that if the PE was allowed into evidence at the 2nd Bond appeal (5th District CoA)... it would have been subject to public information requests ... however, Baez submitted a sealed motion for the re-hearing, therefore, if the PE was part of what he presented ... (which I bet it was) it would remain sealed after the hearing whether the motion was granted or denied.

[Themis]

Some posters have theorized that the decomposing smell identified at the Anthony's backyard and in the trunk could have been from another body. Please explain why Casey would bring another body to her parents home and why she would try to hide the death of anyone else?

[SuziQ]

Just a quick thought -
With GP being former LE isn't it odd he'd choose to work with investigators that are private? Odd that Casey doesn't 'trust' LE? I mean, her father and Jesse were both involved in LE, right? It almost makes me think GP is racing against LE to find the "facts" for damage control.
Just thinking out loud. ;)

I certainly agree with what I bolded. I posted somewhere this morning a snippet where it was stated because George is ex-LE, he is tapping into those resources. I don't remember the exact words.

[Themis]

If I remember correctly from CrimPro ... I think that if the PE was allowed into evidence at the 2nd Bond appeal (5th District CoA)... it would have been subject to public information requests ... however, Baez submitted a sealed motion for the re-hearing, therefore, if the PE was part of what he presented ... (which I bet it was) it would remain sealed after the hearing whether the motion was granted or denied.

Correct. Confidential and privileged information submitted directly to a court may be used in an appellate court via use of the sealed evidence process. It remains sealed from public view before, during and after the appeal process.

[Girlrilla]

Some posters have theorized that the decomposing smell identified at the Anthony's backyard and in the trunk could have been from another body. Please explain why Casey would bring another body to her parents home and why she would try to hide the death of anyone else?

Add to this noone else associated with Casey has been reported missing.

[SuziQ]

Some posters have theorized that the decomposing smell identified at the Anthony's backyard and in the trunk could have been from another body. Please explain why Casey would bring another body to her parents home and why she would try to hide the death of anyone else?

I think some want to find any reason they can conjure up that gives them hope Caylee is alive. No matter how outrageous and unlikely their theory is. At the end of some of these posts they stated how outrageous and unlikely their theory is. But they still post them.

[puffster]

NEW THEORY
There have been many theories about how Caylee may have met her demise at the hands of Casey. Unfortunately, I am in that camp. I know exactly how I would prosecute the case simply with the information we already know. I'm going to argue the case that Caylee is alive -- using only the information we currently have.

In order to go with this theory you must throw out once piece of evidence -- the cadaver dogs. If you cannot do that, do not read on. While it is unlikely to be suppressed or succesfully argued against, there have been stranger turns of events in courtrooms. An expert could testify and bring some doubt. An attempt will be made to debunk or at least, in some dramatic way, mitigate or reduce the effect of the dogs.

There is no body.

Testimony will reveal that Casey had a fight with her family on Father's Day. Casey decided to move out with Caylee -- in part for spite. On June 16 Casey made numerous calls to her parents to inform them that she was moving away with her daughter. Her parents refused to answer her phone calls as they had already informed Casey that they had had it with her antics. Casey fabricated many stories because she did not want her parents to take her daughter from her as they had threatened many times before. The parents are very controlling and Casey could not handle it any longer. Casey admits that she lied to authorities in fear of having her parents get some sort of custody of Caylee. Casey regrets that mistake. Casey placed her daughter with someone she trusted and who is currently caring for Caylee. While Caylee was with this "trusted person", beginning on June 16, Casey was living with her boyfriend Tony. Casey knew her daughter was in good hands and she was so comfortable that she was able to spend some much-needed time away from the rigors of motherhood. Casey did what she enjoys doing, as any 22 year may enjoy, going to clubs. You can see she has not a care in the world. That's because she knows her child is alright. Casey continued to live away from her parents' home in June and July while her mother constantly tried to contact her. Finally, Casey surfaces and what does her own mother do? Turn her own daughter into police. In all this, Casey continues to shield her child from her mentally ill, controlling parents by refusing to tell the truth. She lied to police in a desperate attempt to keep her daughter safe in the only way she knew how. And when the focus of possible murder against this mother became evident, she merely invoked her constitutional right to remain silent. Caylee is alive and well. There is no evidence that a murder has occurred. Caylee is safe. Her mother knows where she is but can not divulge it do to the fear from the years of abusive behavior by these parents. Reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee

[edgeofnight]

I agree the grps are saying what they are saying to help with Casey's defense. But I think George has had a break with reality. Maybe the only way he can get up in the morning is believing what he is saying. Driving around with the billboard he feels useful and maybe does think he is helping get his grandchild back. I had a horrible time when my mother died, took several doctors and finding the right meds, but if that is what is happening with George, I don't wish that on anyone.

[technicalconfusion]

Cindy said she wants to talk to casey privately.
Can she do that? Is there going to be some kind of special treatment happening?:waitasec:

There is no privacy in jail.

They did say last nite they were trying to get a private meeting together, but no luck so far.

[lawlady84]

If I remember correctly from CrimPro ... I think that if the PE was allowed into evidence at the 2nd Bond appeal (5th District CoA)... it would have been subject to public information requests ... however, Baez submitted a sealed motion for the re-hearing, therefore, if the PE was part of what he presented ... (which I bet it was) it would remain sealed after the hearing whether the motion was granted or denied.

Agreed, I think even if it wasn't sealed the psych eval is protected by doctor/patient privilege so it wouldn't be public record anyway. I was wondering more along the lines if you could compell a PE in a civil suit, but I think the poster above is right that you can during discovery if mental state is an issue

[Vegas Bride]

Add to this noone else associated with Casey has been reported missing.

zanny the nanny is missing isn't she? maybe the other more evil kidnapper killed her when she was trying to return Caylee there at the home to frame Casey!

please don't slap me... I know this is a crock of ______ just throwing it out there.

VB

[ketel0ne]

NEW THEORY
snip
There is no body.

Testimony will reveal that Casey had a fight with her family on Father's Day. Casey decided to move out with Caylee -- in part for spite. On June 16 Casey made numerous calls to her parents to inform them that she was moving away with her daughter. Her parents refused to answer her phone calls as they had already informed Casey that they had had it with her antics. Casey fabricated many stories because she did not want her parents to take her daughter from her as they had threatened many times before. The parents are very controlling and Casey could not handle it any longer. Casey admits that she lied to authorities in fear of having her parents get some sort of custody of Caylee. Casey regrets that mistake. Casey placed her daughter with someone she trusted and who is currently caring for Caylee. While Caylee was with this "trusted person", beginning on June 16, Casey was living with her boyfriend Tony. Casey knew her daughter was in good hands and she was so comfortable that she was able to spend some much-needed time away from the rigors of motherhood. Casey did what she enjoys doing, as any 22 year may enjoy, going to clubs. You can see she has not a care in the world. That's because she knows her child is alright. Casey continued to live away from her parents' home in June and July while her mother constantly tried to contact her. Finally, Casey surfaces and what does her own mother do? Turn her own daughter into police. In all this, Casey continues to shield her child from her mentally ill, controlling parents by refusing to tell the truth. She lied to police in a desperate attempt to keep her daughter safe in the only way she knew how. And when the focus of possible murder against this mother became evident, she merely invoked her constitutional right to remain silent. Caylee is alive and well. There is no evidence that a murder has occurred. Caylee is safe. Her mother knows where she is but can not divulge it do to the fear from the years of abusive behavior by these parents. Reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee

Why did she dump the car?
Why did she borrow a shovel?
In her own defense where is Caylee?
If Caylee is safe why no calls to Caylee to talk to her in 31 days?

[krimekat]

Testimony will reveal that Casey had a fight with her family on Father's Day. Casey decided to move out with Caylee -- in part for spite. On June 16 Casey made numerous calls to her parents to inform them that she was moving away with her daughter. Her parents refused to answer her phone calls as they had already informed Casey that they had had it with her antics. Casey fabricated many stories because she did not want her parents to take her daughter from her as they had threatened many times before. The parents are very controlling and Casey could not handle it any longer. Casey admits that she lied to authorities in fear of having her parents get some sort of custody of Caylee. Casey regrets that mistake. Casey placed her daughter with someone she trusted and who is currently caring for Caylee. While Caylee was with this "trusted person", beginning on June 16, Casey was living with her boyfriend Tony. Casey knew her daughter was in good hands and she was so comfortable that she was able to spend some much-needed time away from the rigors of motherhood. Casey did what she enjoys doing, as any 22 year may enjoy, going to clubs. You can see she has not a care in the world. That's because she knows her child is alright. Casey continued to live away from her parents' home in June and July while her mother constantly tried to contact her. Finally, Casey surfaces and what does her own mother do? Turn her own daughter into police. In all this, Casey continues to shield her child from her mentally ill, controlling parents by refusing to tell the truth. She lied to police in a desperate attempt to keep her daughter safe in the only way she knew how. And when the focus of possible murder against this mother became evident, she merely invoked her constitutional right to remain silent. Caylee is alive and well. There is no evidence that a murder has occurred. Caylee is safe. Her mother knows where she is but can not divulge it do to the fear from the years of abusive behavior by these parents. Reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee

But who is this person? And if this is the truth, will Orange County ask for $$$ to compensate for the time & resources since 15 Jul (as in the runaway bride case)?

[ketel0ne]

There is no privacy in jail.

They did say last nite they were trying to get a private meeting together, but no luck so far.

They have the same rights as every other family in america, they can bail her out. If circumstance, finances prohibit that, then they need to find an alternative bond solution.

[tsanti]

[QUOTE=puffster;2494223]NEW THEORY
There have been many theories about how Caylee may have met her demise at the hands of Casey. Unfortunately, I am in that camp. I know exactly how I would prosecute the case simply with the information we already know. I'm going to argue the case that Caylee is alive -- using only the information we currently have.

Using this defense, you would have to reveal where the child is.

[Shutterfly]

So Casey is a model inmate. Naturally, of course she is. Casey is a spoiled, manipulative, over indulged, twenty-two year old child. (IN MY OPINION!!!!)
What happens when people who have unmanagable children take those children to another relative's house or to a new babysitter? This person who isn't "around" them all the time says "why, they were perfect angels all day long."
Casey is in a new environment. She doesn't have her parents around to push. She knows them and knows that she can control them..she's STILL doing it. But these people in the jail, her surroundings, it's all new. She will be a good little girl until she see's just how far she can push THEM and THEN she will start acting out...slowly at first.
None of this is real to Casey. She WON'T go to jail, not C A S E Y! She believes that even now because my guess is that she doesn't know what it's like to have consequences and to take responsibility for anything that she does. I think she is refusing visits to punish and 'guilt' her parents into coming up with whatever portion of that $500k they have to come up with to bond her out of jail. She is p*ssed because they haven't come up with it yet.
She gives criptic clues as to the whereabouts of a child that George and Cindy are desperate to find..THEIR baby, the baby THEY raised. Casey is saying "I'm not telling you UNLESS YOU GET ME OUT!!!" She is using the false hope that she gives them to control them...not us.
Casey doesn't care what her parents, the media, or anyone else thinks of her. She is emotionally crippled. My guess is that she was "bought" as a child instead of taught to show love in the proper ways. She is using her parents emotions to get herself out of jail. And my guess is that the reason Casey had this child was to ensure herself a continued free ride at the expense of her parents.
I don't believe that Casey killed this child "intentionally." I know someone like Casey..JUST like Casey. My guess is that Casey shoved the child too hard or perhaps Caylee fell off of the counter. Remember, in the first bond hearing, Cindy said that Casey would sit Caylee on the counter when disciplining her? Hmmm..someone with a bad temper whom we've since learned likes to scream at people. So now we have someone angry, with a quick temper, who sits a 35 pound toddler on the counter three feet off of what is probably a ceramic tile floor? Not good. Maybe she told her to sit there until she learned how to behave? And Caylee tried to get down when Casey turned her back? The flurry of calls? Casey did make an attempt to call for help. Then, when she perceived that everyone was ignoring her she got angry.
George and Cindy are covering her @ss, I get that. What they are doing is wrong but they are at the mercy of the monster that THEY created and now they have no idea what to do. I don't think either one of them are capable of comprehending what Casey really did with that child. I honestly don't believe that they had anything to do with this and I believe they knew nothing of Caylee's whereabouts for a month because Casey was punishing them for something. They are 'just' grandparents, and unless they have proof, like the thing with the car, that something is wrong...then LE isn't going to go and track down a grown woman and HER child just because THEY haven't been permitted to speak to their granddaughter. I think the truth will likely kill them both.
Could Casey have put this child in a dumpster...absolutely. She shows every imaginable sign of being completely detached from the situation. She simply is not capable of caring. I know that's bad but that's what she was taught.
Cayleee is "close"...where is the landfill? ( God forgive me for thinking it)
She "doesn't want to tell them anything while she's in jail because it will jeapordize Caylee's safety"...translation...she doesn't want Caylee found.
Maybe I'm reading WAY too much into this. I just have someone in my life who is just like Casey and did d@mn near exactly the same thing...with a six month old.

[Openmyeyes]

NEW THEORY
There have been many theories about how Caylee may have met her demise at the hands of Casey. Unfortunately, I am in that camp. I know exactly how I would prosecute the case simply with the information we already know. I'm going to argue the case that Caylee is alive -- using only the information we currently have.

In order to go with this theory you must throw out once piece of evidence -- the cadaver dogs. If you cannot do that, do not read on. While it is unlikely to be suppressed or succesfully argued against, there have been stranger turns of events in courtrooms. An expert could testify and bring some doubt. An attempt will be made to debunk or at least, in some dramatic way, mitigate or reduce the effect of the dogs.

There is no body.

Testimony will reveal that Casey had a fight with her family on Father's Day. Casey decided to move out with Caylee -- in part for spite. On June 16 Casey made numerous calls to her parents to inform them that she was moving away with her daughter. Her parents refused to answer her phone calls as they had already informed Casey that they had had it with her antics. Casey fabricated many stories because she did not want her parents to take her daughter from her as they had threatened many times before. The parents are very controlling and Casey could not handle it any longer. Casey admits that she lied to authorities in fear of having her parents get some sort of custody of Caylee. Casey regrets that mistake. Casey placed her daughter with someone she trusted and who is currently caring for Caylee. While Caylee was with this "trusted person", beginning on June 16, Casey was living with her boyfriend Tony. Casey knew her daughter was in good hands and she was so comfortable that she was able to spend some much-needed time away from the rigors of motherhood. Casey did what she enjoys doing, as any 22 year may enjoy, going to clubs. You can see she has not a care in the world. That's because she knows her child is alright. Casey continued to live away from her parents' home in June and July while her mother constantly tried to contact her. Finally, Casey surfaces and what does her own mother do? Turn her own daughter into police. In all this, Casey continues to shield her child from her mentally ill, controlling parents by refusing to tell the truth. She lied to police in a desperate attempt to keep her daughter safe in the only way she knew how. And when the focus of possible murder against this mother became evident, she merely invoked her constitutional right to remain silent. Caylee is alive and well. There is no evidence that a murder has occurred. Caylee is safe. Her mother knows where she is but can not divulge it do to the fear from the years of abusive behavior by these parents. Reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee

Will the person or people who have Caylee have to raise them for the 6 years Casey will get when she is convicted of her current charges?

[Lanie]

NEW THEORY
There have been many theories about how Caylee may have met her demise at the hands of Casey. Unfortunately, I am in that camp. I know exactly how I would prosecute the case simply with the information we already know. I'm going to argue the case that Caylee is alive -- using only the information we currently have.



This is a good argument, and I can even get rid of the cadaver dogs by saying at this point no forensic evidence has been released to back them up. I can see a jury kicking this if there is no forensic evidence to back up the hits by the cadaver dogs.

The thing I can't get past on this, however, is if this is really what happened, why would she not tell the attorney? GPs would have to wage all kind of legal wars to find out who has Caylee, as Casey is custodial parent and they have no legal right to know her whereabouts without a court order. Going back off into speculation, with what I have learned of Casey's behavior, if this is actually what took place, I can't see her NOT rubbing their faces in it, that Caylee is with someone else and they will not even know where unless they play by her rules.
Lanie

[impatientredhead]

They have the same rights as every other family in america, they can bail her out. If circumstance, finances prohibit that, then they need to find an alternative bond solution.

If they wanted to bond her out they could raise the money. They could sell their book and movie rights in exchange for the bond. As long as Casey shows up for trial they would get their money back. Unless that is how they are paying Baez and they have already played that card.

[Melly53]

I have heard a lot of ideas on the board here about the shovel. However, there is one idea that I have not heard discussed. Someone else mentioned that in some of the video/pictures of the garage that you can see a shovel and rake hanging on a rack on the wall. Assuming Casey had access to the garage (which I believe that she did) then why would she need to borrow a shovel if one was already available to her? The only answer I can come up with is she needed two shovels....one for herself and one for an unknown person that helped her hide the body. Just an idea.

[SelmaClue]

If they wanted to bond her out they could raise the money. They could sell their book and movie rights in exchange for the bond. As long as Casey shows up for trial they would get their money back. Unless that is how they are paying Baez and they have already played that card.

My thought exactly.

[Joyce]

Ok guy’s first timer here. I’ve been lurking here since this case broke and have lost sleep over what may have happened to this sweet little girl. I don’t want anyone to take me wrong first off. I think if Casey has done something harmful to this baby and put her life at stake then she needs to pay with her on life. I have followed ever forum that even mentions this story and I have a thought, just wanted to know what mom would think my way. I have a daughter who is now 21 and love her with all that’s with in me. Would do anything in the world for her (other than helping her hide a murder).Ok on with my thought.
Granny C and papa G has supported Casey her entire life and think that she is still under there control. They have paid her bills took care of her baby and treated her as if she was 16 ( Not saying she wasn’t acting that way).Anyways Casey is getting feed up of them controlling her and decides she wants to move out with her baby and get a job and support herself. They wouldn’t allow her to do that so she waited till they left to do so. She took moms car and cards and through text or messages mom was telling her get your butt home or I’m taking Caylee away from you. She doesn’t want her daughter to be controlled the way she was so, she finds someone whom she knows that will take care of Caylee and tells them to take care of here and she will be back after she settles everything with her mom. Maybe she was going to face the music with her mom and go back for her daughter. If that was me and I knew that my crazy mom was going to try to take my child from me at 2 I would maybe have done the same thing(hence the stealing money).Maybe she knows Casey is safe, Maybe this person has taken care of her for years., Maybe she wont tell because she knows her mom is trying to take her away from her?
This is all a thought I had as to why a mom would leave a kid that long. I do have friends that if I was in trouble like she was with her mom that I would leave my kid with and know they were safe. Now about the smell in the car who knows that might me granny c’s reason for wanting that car back in a hurry maybe she killed someone lol just a idea

God I pray your safe Caylee, even living in Tennessee I look for you everywhere I go.I pray your found alive sweet baby and the authorities put you in a loving home without foolish people living in it. God Bless this baby girl!!!!

[NighTillDawn]

Why did she dump the car?
Why did she borrow a shovel?
In her own defense where is Caylee?
If Caylee is safe why no calls to Caylee to talk to her in 31 days?

Exactly, when my daughter goes out on an overnight visit with anyone, I make sure I call to say goodnight. Wouldn't Caylee be crying for her mommy? What 3 year old wouldn't want to hear their mother's voice on a daily basis? Even knowing she is " safe ", she would still want to hear her daughter's voice.

[krimekat]

I have heard a lot of ideas on the board here about the shovel. However, there is one idea that I have not heard discussed. Someone else mentioned that in some of the video/pictures of the garage that you can see a shovel and rake hanging on a rack on the wall. Assuming Casey had access to the garage (which I believe that she did) then why would she need to borrow a shovel if one was already available to her? The only answer I can come up with is she needed two shovels....one for herself and one for an unknown person that helped her hide the body. Just an idea.

I believe the shed on the Anthony's property was locked, therefore, Casey couldn't get in . . .

[CASuzk]

So if someone out there has Caylee, why has that person not come forward or at least dropped Caylee off at the nearest public place because she's too hot to hold. And yes, Caylee's story is on Spanish language news, at least it is here in CA. I'm pretty sure it would be on Spanish news in FL as well and broadcast to the islands as well.

Here's another idea; bail Casey out, let her be followed and harassed by news cameras 24-7 for weeks on end. Follow her trail as her former friends and drinking buddies refuse to be seen with her. She's not cracking in jail, maybe daily harassment can do what the LE in Orlando and FBI have not been able to do.

[ketel0ne]

If they wanted to bond her out they could raise the money. They could sell their book and movie rights in exchange for the bond. As long as Casey shows up for trial they would get their money back. Unless that is how they are paying Baez and they have already played that card.

It can definatly be done.

[Fandy]

Is there any way the sheriff could get Tony to work with them to try and get Casey talking? I'm thinking he might be the only one. I don't believe he's been in contact with her at all since her arrest and I can understand why he would want to have distance between them, but if there's any chance in he[[ it could get her to open up some imo it would be worth a try.

I'm also predicting that before this is all over and done and Casey is on trial, either with a body found or not, she is going to try and drag anybody she can into this, she will say her mother did it, her father did it or her boyfriend did it, anybody but the one who actually did!

VB

If she killed her child in favor of a lifestyle with her new BF, seeing him might get her to talk. She misses him, she'll want to *explain*, if he leads her to think he's on her side...A couple of compliments, a few "oh babys", she's so desperate for his attention, she just might talk. jmho of course

[YellowDog]

Ok guy’s first timer here. I’ve been lurking here since this case broke and have lost sleep over what may have happened to this sweet little girl. I don’t want anyone to take me wrong first off. I think if Casey has done something harmful to this baby and put her life at stake then she needs to pay with her on life. I have followed ever forum that even mentions this story and I have a thought, just wanted to know what mom would think my way. I have a daughter who is now 21 and love her with all that’s with in me. Would do anything in the world for her (other than helping her hide a murder).Ok on with my thought.
Granny C and papa G has supported Casey her entire life and think that she is still under there control. They have paid her bills took care of her baby and treated her as if she was 16 ( Not saying she wasn’t acting that way).Anyways Casey is getting feed up of them controlling her and decides she wants to move out with her baby and get a job and support herself. They wouldn’t allow her to do that so she waited till they left to do so. She took moms car and cards and through text or messages mom was telling her get your butt home or I’m taking Caylee away from you. She doesn’t want her daughter to be controlled the way she was so, she finds someone whom she knows that will take care of Caylee and tells them to take care of here and she will be back after she settles everything with her mom. Maybe she was going to face the music with her mom and go back for her daughter. If that was me and I knew that my crazy mom was going to try to take my child from me at 2 I would maybe have done the same thing(hence the stealing money).Maybe she knows Casey is safe, Maybe this person has taken care of her for years., Maybe she wont tell because she knows her mom is trying to take her away from her?
This is all a thought I had as to why a mom would leave a kid that long. I do have friends that if I was in trouble like she was with her mom that I would leave my kid with and know they were safe. Now about the smell in the car who knows that might me granny c’s reason for wanting that car back in a hurry maybe she killed someone lol just a idea

God I pray your safe Caylee, even living in Tennessee I look for you everywhere I go.I pray your found alive sweet baby and the authorities put you in a loving home without foolish people living in it. God Bless this baby girl!!!!


If this were the case, it seems like the babysitter would have come forward long ago to clear herself. Otherwise she would be in for some very serious charges.

[technicalconfusion]

Maybe this person has taken care of her for years., Maybe she wont tell because she knows her mom is trying to take her away from her?
This is all a thought I had as to why a mom would leave a kid that long. I do have friends that if I was in trouble like she was with her mom that I would leave my kid with and know they were safe. Now about the smell in the car who knows that might me granny c’s reason for wanting that car back in a hurry maybe she killed someone lol just a idea

God I pray your safe Caylee, even living in Tennessee I look for you everywhere I go.I pray your found alive sweet baby and the authorities put you in a loving home without foolish people living in it. God Bless this baby girl!!!!

Cayse is an adult. If this was the case, on day 1 when talking to the cops, she could have told them so, even giving them contact info, LE can see for themselves the child is fine. End of story. No ruckus.

Theoretically, there's nothing the gp's can do. They do not have custody.

[YellowDog]

In the beginning, when Lee and Casey talked by phone, it almost seemed as if they were talking in code. Does anyone think Lee could know what happened to Caylee and is trying to protect his sister?

[shannon718]

NEW THEORY
There have been many theories about how Caylee may have met her demise at the hands of Casey. Unfortunately, I am in that camp. I know exactly how I would prosecute the case simply with the information we already know. I'm going to argue the case that Caylee is alive -- using only the information we currently have.

In order to go with this theory you must throw out once piece of evidence -- the cadaver dogs. If you cannot do that, do not read on. While it is unlikely to be suppressed or succesfully argued against, there have been stranger turns of events in courtrooms. An expert could testify and bring some doubt. An attempt will be made to debunk or at least, in some dramatic way, mitigate or reduce the effect of the dogs.

There is no body.

Testimony will reveal that Casey had a fight with her family on Father's Day. Casey decided to move out with Caylee -- in part for spite. On June 16 Casey made numerous calls to her parents to inform them that she was moving away with her daughter. Her parents refused to answer her phone calls as they had already informed Casey that they had had it with her antics. Casey fabricated many stories because she did not want her parents to take her daughter from her as they had threatened many times before. The parents are very controlling and Casey could not handle it any longer. Casey admits that she lied to authorities in fear of having her parents get some sort of custody of Caylee. Casey regrets that mistake. Casey placed her daughter with someone she trusted and who is currently caring for Caylee. While Caylee was with this "trusted person", beginning on June 16, Casey was living with her boyfriend Tony. Casey knew her daughter was in good hands and she was so comfortable that she was able to spend some much-needed time away from the rigors of motherhood. Casey did what she enjoys doing, as any 22 year may enjoy, going to clubs. You can see she has not a care in the world. That's because she knows her child is alright. Casey continued to live away from her parents' home in June and July while her mother constantly tried to contact her. Finally, Casey surfaces and what does her own mother do? Turn her own daughter into police. In all this, Casey continues to shield her child from her mentally ill, controlling parents by refusing to tell the truth. She lied to police in a desperate attempt to keep her daughter safe in the only way she knew how. And when the focus of possible murder against this mother became evident, she merely invoked her constitutional right to remain silent. Caylee is alive and well. There is no evidence that a murder has occurred. Caylee is safe. Her mother knows where she is but can not divulge it do to the fear from the years of abusive behavior by these parents. Reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee

EVEN WITHOUT DOGS:

A seasoned detective testified that he smelled decomp.
George smelled Decomp.
Cindy smelled Decomp.
Why did she abandon the car?
Why is there hair,stain, and smell of decomp in trunk
Why did she fabricate Zenaida?
Why did she fabricate her job?
Why did she not just "pick up" Caylee from this so called person after Cindy forced her to admit she hadn't seen her.
Why did she borrow a shovel?
Why did she tell everyone who asked "she is with the nanny" she is with my parents" conflicting statements.
Why would she say she was conducting her own investigation if she willingly let Caylee go with someone?
What kind of invisible, untraceable, heartless individual would have not come forward with Caylee by now?


There is no reasonable doubt in this case, even in the beginning stages of this investigation is ALL points to Casey and her lies and unfortunately it is all also pointing to a deceased little baby girl.

IMHO

[Melly53]

I believe the shed on the Anthony's property was locked, therefore, Casey couldn't get in . . .

You are missing the point. Casey did not need to get in the shed to get a shovel because there was one right there in the garage!!

[SailorMoon]

I've said before I see the similarities, but I see some things with the McCanns (Maddie) - as in having the tip line come to them. ((or was that the case I"m thinking of?? Too many missing kids and guilty parents..way too many.

Melinda Duckett didn't trust local law enforcement either!! Hmmmmm ... Theme: Guilty mom's don't trust LE ... perhaps?

[one_hooah_wife]

NEW THEORY (...)
Snipped

First of all ... I definitely appreciate all the thought that you put into your defense argument ... I think that is reasonable that Casey's lawyers might take such a position in trial ... if nothing new is discovered.

This is just one thing that came to mind right away when I read your argument ... Casey could have left with Caylee at anytime ... she could have filed an order of protection with the court, if she believed her parents a detriment her or her child's physical of mental well being.

The fact is ... we can rationalize any side to this story and argue it to fit whatever ends we choose. But no matter how much we want to believe in the basic humanity of Casey Marie Anthony we are all left with doubt ... with questions that demand an answer and Casey's answers ... well they leave us flat. The argument that you make, while satisfies our need to believe in Casey and our need to believe that Caylee is safe ...it leaves us flat, unreconciled. I truly believe that if this case goes to trial, as is, ie. no real physical evidence is uncovered and no exculpatory evidence is presented ... the jury will be forced to make a decision based on which side best answers those questions in a way that, no matter how heart wrenching, leaves the those troublesome questions best reconciled!

[Themis]

Perhaps the repeated scheduling of visits and then canceling is ttokeep the 3 visit slots per week occupied so the friends don't come to see her?

[shannon718]

Perhaps the repeated scheduling of visits and then canceling is ttokeep the 3 visit slots per week occupied so the friends don't come to see her?

Sounds like it...but IIRC Casey herself took all people off of her visitors list with the exception of family long before the denied visits started occuring. :waitasec:

[Leila]

I don't like that at all. Because what if someone called and said they saw Casey near a dumpster or something. I doubt the Anthony's would call that in to LE.

I couldn't agree more! This is getting beyond ridiculous! :mad:

Cindy called LE on July 15th and asked for help, send the police now! Then she and George turned around and have done all they could do to thwart the police investigation.

[shemc]

You are missing the point. Casey did not need to get in the shed to get a shovel because there was one right there in the garage!!

A poster here recently suggested she really wanted to get in to the neighbors home but got caught by that homeowner so came up with, "can I borrow a shovel"... maybe she is now kicking herself for not saying she was really on their property to borrow a cup of sugar.

[Lanie]

Perhaps the repeated scheduling of visits and then canceling is ttokeep the 3 visit slots per week occupied so the friends don't come to see her?

Oh, I think this is just more of the standard one-upping they all seem so fond of.
Lanie

[Chica]

OK...my responses (in red below) to your doubts as to Caylee being alive:

EVEN WITHOUT DOGS:

A seasoned detective testified that he smelled decomp.But it was the decomp of a dead animal that Casey hit with the car - and who said it was a [B]seasoned[B] detective??
George smelled Decomp.Could be a phrase-my mom used to say "it smells like something died in here"
Cindy smelled Decomp.
Why did she abandon the car? She didn't want to have to deal with her parents - she knew it would get towed and they would be contacted
Why is there hair,stain, and smell of decomp in trunk
Why did she fabricate Zenaida?Zenaida is really her babysitter
Why did she fabricate her job?she didn't want to admit to her parents that she STILL wasn't working
Why did she not just "pick up" Caylee from this so called person after Cindy forced her to admit she hadn't seen her.It was too hard for her to admit to her mom who she is constantly in power struggles with
Why did she borrow a shovel?To dig up the bamboo, silly!
Why did she tell everyone who asked "she is with the nanny" she is with my parents" conflicting statements.She was trying to find Caylee on her own...didn't want to have to get the police involved because her mom would have another "I told you so" moment
Why would she say she was conducting her own investigation if she willingly let Caylee go with someone?Because Zenaida was going on an extended trip to Puerto Rico to visit family and offered to take Caylee with her
What kind of invisible, untraceable, heartless individual would have not come forward with Caylee by now?
Zenaida has not heard of this case because she is in another country.

There is no reasonable doubt in this case, even in the beginning stages of this investigation is ALL points to Casey and her lies and unfortunately it is all also pointing to a deceased little baby girl.

IMHO

[shannon718]

Sheriff's office mum on details of missing girl case

Associated Press - August 13, 2008 3:24 PM ET

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - Orange County Sheriff's Office authorities say they will remain tightlipped about details of the search for a missing central Florida girl.

At a press conference Wednesday, sheriff's spokesman Mark Strobridge said his office won't discuss specifics related to Caylee Anthony's disappearance unless it will "benefit finding the child."

They know a TON more than we do right now which is totally understandable. They are simply building their case and will play their hand when the time is right to ensure a conviction....

[Anita Richman]

For all of you who are entertaining the thought that Caylee might still be alive...wouldn't (and shouldn't) Casey be afraid of the horrible things these people might be subjecting Caylee? How does she know that they aren't pedophiles? How does she know that they aren't sick freaks who'll torture that poor baby for fun?

Is there any explanation for why she wouldn't be doing everything in her power to get Caylee home as soon as possible? :confused:

[Chica]

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First of all ... I definitely appreciate all the thought that you put into your defense argument ... I think that is reasonable that Casey's lawyers might take such a position in trial ... if nothing new is discovered.

This is just one thing that came to mind right away when I read your argument ... Casey could have left with Caylee at anytime ... she could have filed an order of protection with the court, if she believed her parents a detriment her or her child's physical of mental well being.

The fact is ... we can rationalize any side to this story and argue it to fit whatever ends we choose. But no matter how much we want to believe in the basic humanity of Casey Marie Anthony we are all left with doubt ... with questions that demand an answer and Casey's answers ... well they leave us flat. The argument that you make, while satisfies our need to believe in Casey and our need to believe that Caylee is safe ...it leaves us flat, unreconciled. I truly believe that if this case goes to trial, as is, ie. no real physical evidence is uncovered and no exculpatory evidence is presented ... the jury will be forced to make a decision based on which side best answers those questions in a way that, no matter how heart wrenching, leaves the those troublesome questions best reconciled!

(Bolding above mine) And this is precisely my point as to why the grand parents are acting the way they are...if even some of [B]us[B] who have never met Casey can have doubt, imagine how her parents feel!!

[Chilly Willy]

EVEN WITHOUT DOGS:

A seasoned detective testified that he smelled decomp.
George smelled Decomp.
Cindy smelled Decomp.
Why did she abandon the car?
Why is there hair,stain, and smell of decomp in trunk
Why did she fabricate Zenaida?
Why did she fabricate her job?
Why did she not just "pick up" Caylee from this so called person after Cindy forced her to admit she hadn't seen her.
Why did she borrow a shovel?
Why did she tell everyone who asked "she is with the nanny" she is with my parents" conflicting statements.
Why would she say she was conducting her own investigation if she willingly let Caylee go with someone?
What kind of invisible, untraceable, heartless individual would have not come forward with Caylee by now?


There is no reasonable doubt in this case, even in the beginning stages of this investigation is ALL points to Casey and her lies and unfortunately it is all also pointing to a deceased little baby girl.

IMHO

Very flimsy evidence for a murder conviction.

George and Cindy "thought" they smelled decomp in the trunk, but now believe it was something else. The detective "thinks" he smelled decomp, but it's not proven (subject to testing, of course).

Car broke down or was out of gas.

Hair in trunk is evidence of nothing. What is the stain? For all we know it could be soda pop. Decomp smell? Not yet proven.

It can't be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no Zenaida. Casey lied about her job - Casey is a liar. That doesn't mean she's a murderer.

She couldn't pick up Casey because she couldn't find her.

Why did she borrow a shovel? To dig up Bamboo. Can anyone prove otherwise?

Casey's lack of concern and lies about where Caylee was - that's the big one. Do the lies prove murder? That's what the jury will have to decide.

I believe that Caylee is gone and that Casey is responsible, but proving murder in a courtroom isn't about beliefs, it's about evidence. There is plenty of room for reasonable doubt at this point. If the testing from the car comes back positive for Caylee's DNA and decomp fluids, there's no doubt in my mind that Casey will be convicted...but of what?

[MD MOMMY]

For all of you who are entertaining the thought that Caylee might still be alive...wouldn't (and shouldn't) Casey be afraid of the horrible things these people might be subjecting Caylee? How does she know that they aren't pedophiles? How does she know that they aren't sick freaks who'll torture that poor baby for fun?

Is there any explanation for why she wouldn't be doing everything in her power to get Caylee home as soon as possible? :confused:


Agree 100%...and I can't think of an explanation for her actions in any of this.

[Chica]

For all of you who are entertaining the thought that Caylee might still be alive...wouldn't (and shouldn't) Casey be afraid of the horrible things these people might be subjecting Caylee? How does she know that they aren't pedophiles? How does she know that they aren't sick freaks who'll torture that poor baby for fun?

Is there any explanation for why she wouldn't be doing everything in her power to get Caylee home as soon as possible? :confused:

I am the first to say it is probably not likely that Caylee is with someone who Casey refuses to name, but would rather stay in jail...I just can't bear to let go of [I]hope[I] that she is still alive and doing well...

[puffster]

Will the person or people who have Caylee have to raise them for the 6 years Casey will get when she is convicted of her current charges?
If you ask me, I don't think there is any "trusted person". But you bring up a good point. I can see her being cleared of homicide charges and possibly convicted on the child neglect charge. Imagine that. She sits in jail for six years with no closure on Caylee.

[robotdog]

A poster here recently suggested she really wanted to get in to the neighbors home but got caught by that homeowner so came up with, "can I borrow a shovel"... maybe she is now kicking herself for not saying she was really on their property to borrow a cup of sugar.

:)

could be

[lawlady84]

If your theory went to court (about Caylee being alive somewhere with an unidentified person), the court could subpeona Caylee and Casey would have to produce her...then woops, no phantom babysitter/adoptive parents

[puffster]

Very flimsy evidence for a murder conviction.

George and Cindy "thought" they smelled decomp in the trunk, but now believe it was something else. The detective "thinks" he smelled decomp, but it's not proven (subject to testing, of course).



Let's talk DNA. I think DNA results will be a split decision. If Caylee's hair is in the trunk, not too big. If it is tested and confirmed as "decomposing hair" that would be damning. A small amount of blood of Caylee's would be bad -- but not terrible. It seem pretty clear that the car saw not splattered or spattered with any large amount of blood. The big payoff would be physical evidence of decomposition. Caylee's saliva and small amount of blood anywhere will be arguable. Decomp anywhere is damning. Decomp physical evidence of Caylee's would be a conviction. Dirt samples can be amazingly key -- but with out the body site -- are useless.
Fingerprints? We're talking about a mother and a daughter.

[puffster]

If your theory went to court (about Caylee being alive somewhere with an unidentified person), the court could subpeona Caylee and Casey would have to produce her...then woops, no phantom babysitter/adoptive parents
Let's say Caylee is subpoenaed and not produced during trial. The trial continues with no Caylee. Casey gets a contempt charge. Now she's looking at 7 years max. And remember -- she has been a model inmate.

[Leila]

Sure wish I could find good ol' George's birthdate!

Any sleuthers in the Youngstown-Warren Ohio area who could do some researching to see if they can find one for me?

Also would like Lee's, and I think that would be easiest to find up there too.

Housemouse.........you have a PM. :)

[Elley Mae]

Let's say Caylee is subpoenaed and not produced during trial. The trial continues with no Caylee. Casey gets a contempt charge. Now she's looking at 7 years max. And remember -- she has been a model inmate.

She's in county lockup not prison. Prison will be a lot different.

[shannon718]

OK...my responses (in red below) to your doubts as to Caylee being alive:

Respectfully my responses to your responses below in purple

Originally Posted by shannon718 View Post
EVEN WITHOUT DOGS:

A seasoned detective testified that he smelled decomp.But it was the decomp of a dead animal that Casey hit with the car - and who said it was a [b]seasoned[b] detective??
He testified under oath that what he smelled was the smell of HUMAN DECOMP and yes he was a homicide detective before working the missing persons unit.

George smelled Decomp.Could be a phrase-my mom used to say "it smells like something died in here"

Again George is X Law Enforcement who guess what???? WORKED IN HOMICIDE. According to every LE agent who has spoken of the smell of human decomp states that there is NO mistaking it for any other smell dead animal or otherwise. George knew what he was smelling and said it himself.

Cindy smelled Decomp.
Do you not agree in Cindy's words "it smells like a damn dead body in the car?"

Why did she abandon the car? She didn't want to have to deal with her parents - she knew it would get towed and they would be contacted

She abandoned the car because she could not drive it around with that smell in the trunk...which has been identified by enough qualified people at this time as well as her parents. And yes, I agree with you she did not want to deal with her parents because she could not produce Caylee...

Why is there hair,stain, and smell of decomp in trunk
Why did she fabricate Zenaida?Zenaida is really her babysitter
Why did she fabricate her job?she didn't want to admit to her parents that she STILL wasn't working

Her parents are one thing.....but she BOLDLY walked law enforcement through Universal as if she worked there and then turned around when ONLY when she knew she could not get out of it and admitted she didn't work there. Law Enforcement are not Cindy and George. They are Law Enforcement trying to help her find her "missing" daughter that she didn't report missing for 31 days and even then had to be forced to.

Why did she not just "pick up" Caylee from this so called person after Cindy forced her to admit she hadn't seen her.It was too hard for her to admit to her mom who she is constantly in power struggles with

She didn't pick up Caylee because every single action or inaction she has taken since her mother called the police point to the fact that she does not want Caylee to be found

Why did she borrow a shovel?To dig up the bamboo, silly!

Bamboo? For what? Caylee isn't with her anymore according to this new theory so why would she need to protect her feet from the Bamboo?

Why did she tell everyone who asked "she is with the nanny" she is with my parents" conflicting statements.She was trying to find Caylee on her own...didn't want to have to get the police involved because her mom would have another "I told you so" moment

She was trying to find Caylee on her own? Where at Fusion amongst the shot girls or at Universal talking to Juliet who doesn't exist?
Why would she say she was conducting her own investigation if she willingly let Caylee go with someone?Because Zenaida was going on an extended trip to Puerto Rico to visit family and offered to take Caylee with her

Can I have a link to this previously unheard of information please?

What kind of invisible, untraceable, heartless individual would have not come forward with Caylee by now?
Zenaida has not heard of this case because she is in another country.

Zenaida does not exist on this planet. Cindy had never met her, George had never met her, not one of Casey's friends have ever met her. Zenaida from Sawgrass has been cleared and investigated. And by the way.....how did miss Casey know that Zenaida Gonzales looked at an apartment on june 17th? Because she somehow gleaned that information and used it to back up her story....

There is no reasonable doubt in this case, even in the beginning stages of this investigation is ALL points to Casey and her lies and unfortunately it is all also pointing to a deceased little baby girl.

IMHO
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Thank you all for listening.

[Ginny]

If your theory went to court (about Caylee being alive somewhere with an unidentified person), the court could subpeona Caylee and Casey would have to produce her...then woops, no phantom babysitter/adoptive parents

In a perfect world that may work, but its doubtful that Casey would seem cooperative to a subpeona. Why would she be? She has cooperated yet.

[Chilly Willy]

Let's talk DNA. I think DNA results will be a split decision. If Caylee's hair is in the trunk, not too big. If it is tested and confirmed as "decomposing hair" that would be damning. A small amount of blood of Caylee's would be bad -- but not terrible. It seem pretty clear that the car saw not splattered or spattered with any large amount of blood. The big payoff would be physical evidence of decomposition. Caylee's saliva and small amount of blood anywhere will be arguable. Decomp anywhere is damning. Decomp physical evidence of Caylee's would be a conviction. Dirt samples can be amazingly key -- but with out the body site -- are useless.
Fingerprints? We're talking about a mother and a daughter.

I agree. Hair, blood, saliva, etc. from Caylee in reasonable amounts, could all be explained away as transference and none of it proves death. Good point about the dirt, without a burial site it is worthless, there's nothing to compare it to. The prosecuter needs proof of death. I don't think they've found it in the car.

[mollymalone]

She's in county lockup not prison. Prison will be a lot different.She might not be such a model prisoner there. With her temper she's liable to act out and get privileges taken away. Living at mom and dad's would be a picnic to that.

[shannon718]

[QUOTE=Chilly Willy;2494380]Very flimsy evidence for a murder conviction.

What is the stain? For all we know it could be soda pop.

Sorry Chilly. With all due respect soda pop does not show up under luminol. Only bodily fluids and blood do.

[MommaD]

I feel Gp's and attorney is putting on this act for media for LE to call for a gag order... so they can visit in private etcc.. its a ploy for something and this is the best I can come up with as of now.. jmo

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Does anyone know if the public has joined together in the FL area and begun their own searches? Has anybody heard any info about this? It's no doubt that everybody is sick of all the in's and out's and up's and down's. If I was fortunate enough to live in Florida, I wouldn't be here on this forum, I'd be out looking for the truth myself. It makes no difference if people believe Caylee is alive or dead. They are all capable of looking for her nomatter what their opinion.

[Patty G]

Tomorrow Caylee will be missing 60 days!

[Elley Mae]

[QUOTE=Chilly Willy;2494380]Very flimsy evidence for a murder conviction.

What is the stain? For all we know it could be soda pop.

Sorry Chilly. With all due respect soda pop does not show up under luminol. Only bodily fluids and blood do.

And Arm&Hammer detergent (UV)

[RebeccaAdrianne]

I feel Gp's and attorney is putting on this act for media for LE to call for a gag order... so they can visit in private etcc.. its a ploy for something and this is the best I can come up with as of now.. jmo


Honey, I think you just nailed it!

[Ginny]

Tomorrow Caylee will be missing 60 days!


It just breaks my heart that this beautiful little girl had such a poor excuse for a mother.

[MommaD]

Honey, I think you just nailed it!


Ty.. this is just out of the norm I would say for ppl in this situation to act.. have never seen it before .. just so out there.. jmo

[Chilly Willy]

[quote=Chilly Willy;2494380]Very flimsy evidence for a murder conviction.

What is the stain? For all we know it could be soda pop.

Sorry Chilly. With all due respect soda pop does not show up under luminol. Only bodily fluids and blood do.
I have not read that a luminol test was done on the stain. Clorine bleach shows up under luminol, as do some metals.

[puffster]

She might not be such a model prisoner there. With her temper she's liable to act out and get privileges taken away. Living at mom and dad's would be a picnic to that.

A jail spokesman says she is a model prisoner.

[tx_Dot]

OK...my responses (in red below) to your doubts as to Caylee being alive:

Wow....those are some good excuses in Casey's favor.....

Any excuse as to why Casey would allow her little game to continue this long ??, ruin so many lives ?? leave herself open to jail time & or the cost of this phony investigation ???....& the *greatest *loss* of all (to her) TONY !!!

Does Casey think this will all just go away if she finally admits "oh Caylee is fine she's simply been on vacation ????

[RebeccaAdrianne]

Ty.. this is just out of the norm I would say for ppl in this situation to act.. have never seen it before .. just so out there..

GP isn't as dumb as we might think he is. I am sure he is acting this out to get exactly that, a GAG ORDER! The judge already denied their request to not release tapes from jail. Notice how he seems to be going more off the deep end recently, believing Casey and just a week ago, weren't we all discussing how he told LE Casey was "up to something or hiding something"? Correct me if I am wrong.

[shannon718]

[quote=shannon718;2494455]
I have not read that a luminol test was done on the stain. Clorine bleach shows up under luminol, as do some metals.

There was a luminol test and that is why the are testing it further. It wasn't a random stain, it showed up under luminol. I'll try to find you a link.

[QuickAttack]

Very flimsy evidence for a murder conviction.

I disagree.

George and Cindy "thought" they smelled decomp in the trunk, but now believe it was something else. The detective "thinks" he smelled decomp, but it's not proven (subject to testing, of course).

Smell is something that comes from the human senses. There is no test to validate what people think they smell.

They are ON RECORD stating that they think it smells like a dead body.


Car broke down or was out of gas.

Prove it. Easy to do. Investigators would have this info.

Hair in trunk is evidence of nothing. What is the stain? For all we know it could be soda pop. Decomp smell? Not yet proven.

Hair that has banding demonstrates that it came from a corpse.

Soda pop stains don't smell like dead bodies, nor do cadaver dogs alert on them.

Decomp Smell? Very well proven. Smell is one of the five senses, and every person who's had occasion to be near this car has said that it smelled like a dead body. On record.

It can't be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no Zenaida.

Sure, there are plenty of Zenaidas. None have Caylee, though. Common sense tells us this.


Casey lied about her job - Casey is a liar. That doesn't mean she's a murderer.

No, but all the evidence is pointing in that direction.


She couldn't pick up Casey because she couldn't find her.

She couldn't find her because she wasn't looking for her. She KNEW where she was--dead.

Why did she borrow a shovel? To dig up Bamboo. Can anyone prove otherwise?

Yes, LE can prove what she did with the shovel. That's why they took it into evidence.

But you go right on ahead believing whatever obsfucation Cindy is spouting each day.


Casey's lack of concern and lies about where Caylee was - that's the big one. Do the lies prove murder? That's what the jury will have to decide.

According to homicide investigators, her behavior is typical for a mother who kills her child.

I believe that Caylee is gone and that Casey is responsible, but proving murder in a courtroom isn't about beliefs, it's about evidence. There is plenty of room for reasonable doubt at this point. If the testing from the car comes back positive for Caylee's DNA and decomp fluids, there's no doubt in my mind that Casey will be convicted...but of what?

How do you know what cards LE is holding? You're trying to formulate a premature defense against a case for which you don't have all the details and evidence. LE hasn't released all the details of this case...that's common strategy for LE to withhold details in hopes that they can continue to bring forward tips.

From the info that we are privy to, there's very little doubt what happened. Basic common sense, Occam's Razor. It's pretty obvious that this child is dead and that her mother is responsible.

Of course, WebSleuths isn't a court of law, so we don't have to meet the "presumption of innocence" requirement that the jurors on this trial most certainly will have to.

[one_hooah_wife]

Let's say Caylee is subpoenaed and not produced during trial. The trial continues with no Caylee. Casey gets a contempt charge. Now she's looking at 7 years max. And remember -- she has been a model inmate.

Contempt and maybe Obstruction charges also for George, Cindy, quite possibly Lee and all of the "investigators" that supposedly know where Caylee is (or who has her)! They will have to testify in court ... or before a GJ under penalty of perjury! They will likely be called to testify for the prosecution as hostile wittinesses ... and that could prove to be detrimental to her case! George is just asking for a GJ subpoena, in my opinion, ... by going around stating that he knows where Caylee is ... arrrrggggh this family infuriates me! Put the whole #$%^ lot of 'em in jail ... someone will eventually develop a personal relationship with "the truth!"

[Patty G]

If I was fortunate enough to live in Florida, I wouldn't be here on this forum, I'd be out looking for the truth myself.

I live in Florida but on the west coast side. Even if I drove over to Orlando, where would I go and look for Caylee. I thought about this over and over again. Where do you start? Everything Casey said is not true, so there is no beginning, except for the Anthony home.

It's like with Drew Peterson, Stacy's sister reported Stacy missing within hours and she still hasn't been found. Although Stacy's car shows up within the same day, etc., etc., and all the phone calls. Remember Drew was a cop at the time as well as George being a former cop.

[puffster]

I agree. Hair, blood, saliva, etc. from Caylee in reasonable amounts, could all be explained away as transference and none of it proves death. Good point about the dirt, without a burial site it is worthless, there's nothing to compare it to. The prosecuter needs proof of death. I don't think they've found it in the car.
I can almost guarantee you they do not have slam dunk DNA evidence which would be proof of decomposition of Cayle Marie Anthony's body. If that were the case, they would be obligated to notify the family that they have indisputable physical forensic evidence that the girl is dead. Only under extraordinary circumstances can I see them withholding this information.

[dee10134]

I'm in need of an evidence fix. Come on DNA testing!

[Leila]

Melinda Duckett didn't trust local law enforcement either!! Hmmmmm ... Theme: Guilty mom's don't trust LE ... perhaps?

I wonder if it's a matter of not trusting LE, or that LE doesn't believe her lies?

Casey only "trusts" those she can manipulate.

[Girlrilla]

They should bring the guy in this article in.

http://www.teleplex.net/shj/smith/trial/wells.html

Although I doubt he could get anything out of Casey with Baez around or even without the lawyer. Wishful thinking though.

[Chilly Willy]

I disagree.



Smell is something that comes from the human senses. There is no test to validate what people think they smell.

They are ON RECORD stating that they think it smells like a dead body.




Prove it. Easy to do. Investigators would have this info.



Hair that has banding demonstrates that it came from a corpse.

Soda pop stains don't smell like dead bodies, nor do cadaver dogs alert on them.

Decomp Smell? Very well proven. Smell is one of the five senses, and every person who's had occasion to be near this car has said that it smelled like a dead body. On record.



Sure, there are plenty of Zenaidas. None have Caylee, though. Common sense tells us this.




No, but all the evidence is pointing in that direction.




She couldn't find her because she wasn't looking for her. She KNEW where she was--dead.



Yes, LE can prove what she did with the shovel. That's why they took it into evidence.

But you go right on ahead believing whatever obsfucation Cindy is spouting each day.




According to homicide investigators, her behavior is typical for a mother who kills her child.



How do you know what cards LE is holding? You're trying to formulate a defense against a nonexistent case. LE hasn't released all the details of this case...that's common strategy for LE to continue to bring forward with tips.

From the info that we are privy to, there's very little doubt what happened. Basic common sense, Occam's Razor. It's pretty obvious that this child is dead and that her mother is responsible.

Of course, WebSleuths isn't a court of law, so we don't have to meet the "presumption of innocence" requirement that the jurors on this trial most certainly will have to.

Gosh, I'm sorry. Shannon was making a case based on what we know now and I was rebutting based on what we know now. Why am I held to a different standard than everyone else?

Who said I do or don't believe Cindy?

There is very little doubt about what happened? Then tell us, exactly what did happen?

[shefner]

DNA evidence is not back yet...

[QuickAttack]

I can almost guarantee you they do not have slam dunk DNA evidence which would be proof of decomposition of Cayle Marie Anthony's body. If that were the case, they would be obligated to notify the family that they have indisputable physical forensic evidence that the girl is dead. Only under extraordinary circumstances can I see them withholding this information.

Would you not consider the fact that the mother has done nothing to help find the child and everything to obsfucate this case to be "extraordinary circumstances?"

I do.

[Nedthan Johns]

From WTFV channel 9 News:

"The Anthonys said Monday they've been getting threatening phone calls and emails and, even though they said they believe a possible threat and danger to the family is keeping Casey from telling what she knows about where Caylee is, they said they're just getting rid of the threats and not reporting them to investigators."

I've grown tired of this case and believe the Anthony's ALL OF THEM, belong behind bars, including the father and brother. I see this case nothing more then a manipulation on behalf of the Anthony's who have drug us all into their dsyfuntional world.

[puffster]

DNA evidence is not back yet...
How do you know police do not have DNA evidence analyzed already, especially if it is negative?

[puffster]

Would you not consider the fact that the mother has done nothing to help find the child and everything to obsfucate this case to be "extraordinary circumstances?"

I do.

In my heart and brain -- yes. Under the law -- no.

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I live in Florida but on the west coast side. Even if I drove over to Orlando, where would I go and look for Caylee. I thought about this over and over again. Where do you start? Everything Casey said is not true, so there is no beginning, except for the Anthony home.

It's like with Drew Peterson, Stacy's sister reported Stacy missing within hours and she still hasn't been found. Although Stacy's car shows up within the same day, etc., etc., and all the phone calls. Remember Drew was a cop at the time as well as George being a former cop.

True, but there have been a lot of places in question discussed in this forum. I have been watching this forum ever since this all began, There are parks to look at, specific places tied to her tatoo, landfills, woods, many other players homes and the areas that surround them, sawgrass apts, and so on. I'd look at thoese, plus around the Anthony house as well. I'd also attempt to keep my eyes on certain players. However, I do not feel it's a good idea to let Casey out of jail. Some believe if she were followed we would all have our answer, I believe she would do her best to run, even though she may not get far!:)

[Elley Mae]

I can almost guarantee you they do not have slam dunk DNA evidence which would be proof of decomposition of Cayle Marie Anthony's body. If that were the case, they would be obligated to notify the family that they have indisputable physical forensic evidence that the girl is dead. Only under extraordinary circumstances can I see them withholding this information.

I don't under stand why you would think that the police have an obligation to tell the GP's, Casey is the mother and she is an adult she will probably be the first one notified if and when Caylee is found. I don't see where the Grandparents have any rights,even though they loved her dearly.

[Patty G]

They should bring the guy in this article in.

http://www.teleplex.net/shj/smith/trial/wells.html

Although I doubt he could get anything out of Casey with Baez around or even without the lawyer. Wishful thinking though.

DOG, The Bounty Hunter's Wife "Beth" should go as well as Judge Judy. Between the two of them .. there might just be success!

[Joyce]

Wouldn't you think that if Casey wasn't talking to anyone in her family due to being recorded that she would tell her attorney that was the reason.In return i would think that the Le would make some kind of private deal with her to get her to talk.I mean they could at least lie and tell her she's not being recored and just tell her they owed her that favor.

[QuickAttack]

Gosh, I'm sorry. Shannon was making a case based on what we know now and I was rebutting based on what we know now. Why am I held to a different standard than everyone else?

Who said I do or don't believe Cindy?

There is very little doubt about what happened? Then tell us, exactly what did happen?

I don't think that you were using "what's known" to rebut that previous post.

But I'll go out on a limb here and say:

This child has not been kidnapped.

The mother killed the child.

LE has facts that we are not privy to.

And my previous post responded with what IS known. Facts that point to the mother as responsible for her child's death.

[shefner]

The police said that the evidence testing is not yet completed...that was reported last nite...

[shannon718]

I can almost guarantee you they do not have slam dunk DNA evidence which would be proof of decomposition of Cayle Marie Anthony's body. If that were the case, they would be obligated to notify the family that they have indisputable physical forensic evidence that the girl is dead. Only under extraordinary circumstances can I see them withholding this information.

LE enforcement has reported over and over again even as early as today that the Forensics and DNA evidence are not back yet. We also do not know what they have learned from the triangulation of her cell phone pings. All of that evidence along with everything else would stand up at trial. And if you do research....in this day and age many murder cases have been solved without a body. Time will tell.

[one_hooah_wife]

She might not be such a model prisoner there. With her temper she's liable to act out and get privileges taken away. Living at mom and dad's would be a picnic to that.

Casey's first day in prison

Casey meet Bertha Bertha meet Casey

Bertha: So whatcha in for??
Casey: Well, it's a long story but the stupid police think that I hurt my kid. What about you?
Bertha: I Killed some B*&*$ for hurting my kid.
Casey: :no:

Roll Credits

[shannon718]

I don't think that you were using "what's known" to rebut that previous post.

But I'll go out on a limb here and say:

This child has not been kidnapped.

The mother killed the child.

LE has facts that we are not privy to.

And my previous post responded with what IS known. Facts that point to the mother as responsible for her child's death.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Coriess]

For those who hope Caylee is safe with a sitter - I was thinking this over and was wondering, do we really believe that given Casey's personality and the friends she ran with - - would she really know someone with whom Caylee would be "absolutely" safe with? She can't hold a job and seems to be a train wreck when it comes to inter-personal relationships. Who would put up with all her antics besides family? Seems she went through boyfriends, friends and money at about the same rate.

Again, just something rattled in my brain while turning it over in my head.:confused:

[lawlady84]

Re Casey not complying with the subpeona (sorry I lost the post I'm responding to), that would be the point - if her theory is Caylee is safe and happy, since she is the legal guardian, she could be forced to present the child if only to prove what she is saying. Since she couldn't/wouldn't cooperate, the reasonable conclusion from that is she's lying - there is no happy family somewhere.

No jury would believe that instead of presenting Caylee, or offering some time-stamped picture, a phonecall, to prove she is safe - Casey would rather go to jail for murder. Its just not reasonable

[Amster]

I can almost guarantee you they do not have slam dunk DNA evidence which would be proof of decomposition of Cayle Marie Anthony's body. If that were the case, they would be obligated to notify the family that they have indisputable physical forensic evidence that the girl is dead. Only under extraordinary circumstances can I see them withholding this information.

They, LE, aren't going to share their evidence with George or Cindy. Be the same as sharing it with Casey. The Anthonys will find out what evidence there is when Casey is charged with murdering Caylee.

tick...tick...tick

[Patty G]

I can almost guarantee you they do not have slam dunk DNA evidence which would be proof of decomposition of Cayle Marie Anthony's body. If that were the case, they would be obligated to notify the family that they have indisputable physical forensic evidence that the girl is dead. Only under extraordinary circumstances can I see them withholding this information.

The only person LE has to tell is CASEY's Attorney. Not the GP's, as they are just that GP's. Although they should be made aware one way or another about Caylee, but first the mother of the child.

[deejaye]

[How do you know what cards LE is holding? You're trying to formulate a premature defense against a case for which you don't have all the details and evidence. LE hasn't released all the details of this case...that's common strategy for LE to withhold details in hopes that they can continue to bring forward tips.

.[/QUOTE]

:clap::clap::clap:

My personal opinion is that they are accumulating evidence to create a more irrefuteable case.

Cadaver dog 1+Cadaver dog 2+stain in car+hair in car+smell in car+whatever evidence they've pulled out of the house+whatever evidence they've collected that we aren't privy to+Casey's actions+phone records+decomp smell....

1+1+1+1+1 does not equal rotting, maggoty pizza.

[Patty G]

Don't forget Dr. Phil!
Oh no .... NEVER! (sorry!)

[robotdog]

They, LE, aren't going to share their evidence with George or Cindy. Be the same as sharing it with Casey. The Anthonys will find out what evidence there is when Casey is charged with murdering Caylee.

tick...tick...tick

yepper

tock tock tock

the police dont have to tell the GP one single thing

[MommaD]

DOG, The Bounty Hunter's Wife "Beth" should go as well as Judge Judy. Between the two of them .. there might just be success!

Good one Patty ........ yep yep would work in my book .... :clap:

[QuickAttack]

How do you know police do not have DNA evidence analyzed already, especially if it is negative?

They still don't have any results back from DNA tests from Casey's car or the Anthony backyard. The FBI still has those DNA samples for testing and the results are not in yet.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7191311&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[QuickAttack]

I think it is irresponsible to say that the mother killed the child at this point.

I don't.

Based on the evidence that we know, that's a logical conclusion.

[shannon718]

I think it is irresponsible to say that the mother killed the child at this point.

I am going to respectfully not answer that the way I would like to. We are just going over what is known and has been released which all points to a very ominous outcome. People only lie to protect themselves. They lie out of fear and manipulation to avoid repercussions for their actions. Casey is lying. And it isn't to protect Caylee from some invisible kidnappers / nanny that don't exist.

imho.

[one_hooah_wife]

I wonder if it's a matter of not trusting LE, or that LE doesn't believe her lies?

Casey only "trusts" those she can manipulate.

Amen! I think that is why she keeps denying visits to her family ... she knows that while they appear outwardly to support her ... they are starting to see through her lies ... and once that happens she can no longer manipulate them ... no longer trust them!

[dee10134]

DNA evidence is not back yet...

I know that. I was saying I was in need of new info... lol.

[QuickAttack]

In my heart and brain -- yes. Under the law -- no.

That's why her bond is so high...the judge even stated such.

[lawlady84]

I think it is irresponsible to say that the mother killed the child at this point.

True. In NY at least, its 7 years from date an adult is reported missing with a reasonable search to be considered dead. Under the Enoch Arden law you can remarry after 5 (interesting name if there are any poetry fans). Not sure if its the same for children

[MommaD]

The only person LE has to tell is CASEY's Attorney. Not the GP's, as they are just that GP's. Although they should be made aware one way or another about Caylee, but first the mother of the child.


But since she is in jail and prob most likely the suspect of the deed .. would they tell her??? all info.?? jmo

[BloodHoundSleuther]

True, but there have been a lot of places in question discussed in this forum. I have been watching this forum ever since this all began, There are parks to look at, specific places tied to her tatoo, landfills, woods, many other players homes and the areas that surround them, sawgrass apts, and so on. I'd look at thoese, plus around the Anthony house as well. I'd also attempt to keep my eyes on certain players. However, I do not feel it's a good idea to let Casey out of jail. Some believe if she were followed we would all have our answer, I believe she would do her best to run, even though she may not get far!:)

This is why I asked a few minutes ago if anyone has heard about people going out on their own doing searches. I am wondering if anyone knows of any groups that are currently doing this. I don't believe that driving around with a billboard is going to pay off. So, why wouldn't the Anthony's or even missing person groups get together and start searching. Have the Anthony's tried to appeal to public interest. It may not make LE happy, but the more people involved the better. I realize not everyone living in FL can do this. I have an 88 year old Great Grandmother there and I know she wouldn't be capable of it!

[mollymalone]

A jail spokesman says she is a model prisoner.I was referring to if she goes to prison.

[shannon718]

[How do you know what cards LE is holding? You're trying to formulate a premature defense against a case for which you don't have all the details and evidence. LE hasn't released all the details of this case...that's common strategy for LE to withhold details in hopes that they can continue to bring forward tips.

.

:clap::clap::clap:

My personal opinion is that they are accumulating evidence to create a more irrefuteable case.

Cadaver dog 1+Cadaver dog 2+stain in car+hair in car+smell in car+whatever evidence they've pulled out of the house+whatever evidence they've collected that we aren't privy to+Casey's actions+phone records+decomp smell....

1+1+1+1+1 does not equal rotting, maggoty pizza.[/QUOTE]

:clap::clap::clap: You said it. Nor does anything else add up that any of these people have said.

[QuickAttack]

Casey's first day in prison

Casey meet Bertha Bertha meet Casey

Bertha: So whatcha in for??
Casey: Well, it's a long story but the stupid police think that I hurt my kid. What about you?
Bertha: I Killed some B*&*$ for hurting my kid.
Casey: :no:

Roll Credits


ROFL. :clap:

[Patty G]

True, but there have been a lot of places in question discussed in this forum. I have been watching this forum ever since this all began, There are parks to look at, specific places tied to her tatoo, landfills, woods, many other players homes and the areas that surround them, sawgrass apts, and so on. I'd look at thoese, plus around the Anthony house as well. I'd also attempt to keep my eyes on certain players. However, I do not feel it's a good idea to let Casey out of jail. Some believe if she were followed we would all have our answer, I believe she would do her best to run, even though she may not get far!:)

I know about all the places discussed here and I actually found a house on a street and another member had a dream about a house, which I had for two days, etc.

One person can only be in one place at one time. You have to live in Florida and start walking the streets or through the woods to Grandma's house to know how HOT it is here.

When I moved to Florida in 2002, I felt like a tiny little ant in a HUGE state, which can be complicated to move around in at times.

The key player is Casey ... best bet, hold a sign up at the jail! "Where is your daughter?"

[QuickAttack]

:clap::clap::clap:

My personal opinion is that they are accumulating evidence to create a more irrefuteable case.

Cadaver dog 1+Cadaver dog 2+stain in car+hair in car+smell in car+whatever evidence they've pulled out of the house+whatever evidence they've collected that we aren't privy to+Casey's actions+phone records+decomp smell....

1+1+1+1+1 does not equal rotting, maggoty pizza.


Nor a rotting, maggoty, roadkill squirrel pizza. :eek:

[shannon718]

I think it is irresponsible to say that the mother killed the child at this point.

What I see when I read that sentence:

I think it is the irresponsible mother that killed the child at this point.

imho

[cricket]

I feel Gp's and attorney is putting on this act for media for LE to call for a gag order... so they can visit in private etcc.. its a ploy for something and this is the best I can come up with as of now.. jmo

Casey is in jail and there is NO privacy, even if there was a gag order. All a gag order would mean is that her phone calls and visits would not be released to the media - however - all her calls and visits would still be recorded by LE (except for attorney/client). LE would still be privvy to everything she said. Once you are in jail, there is no such thing as a private visit.

[Patty G]

Casey's first day in prison

Casey meet Bertha Bertha meet Casey

Bertha: So whatcha in for??
Casey: Well, it's a long story but the stupid police think that I hurt my kid. What about you?
Bertha: I Killed some B*&*$ for hurting my kid.
Casey: :no:

Roll Credits


:clap:

[OneLostGrl]

Casey's first day in prison

Casey meet Bertha Bertha meet Casey

Bertha: So whatcha in for??
Casey: Well, it's a long story but the stupid police think that I hurt my kid. What about you?
Bertha: I Killed some B*&*$ for hurting my kid.
Casey: :no:

Roll Credits

Do you really think Prison is like that?

[Chica]

Wow....those are some good excuses in Casey's favor.....

Any excuse as to why Casey would allow her little game to continue this long ??, ruin so many lives ?? leave herself open to jail time & or the cost of this phony investigation ???....& the *greatest *loss* of all (to her) TONY !!!

Does Casey think this will all just go away if she finally admits "oh Caylee is fine she's simply been on vacation ????

Not excuses...I was simply playing devil's advocate...

People seem to be 'supposing' alot of things as 'facts'...I was merely 'supposing' myself for the sake of argument.
:blowkiss:

[shefner]

My best educated guess.....Caylee is dead, probably an accident (either suffocated, drowned, etc). Casey is guilty because she did not report it....she probably had a panic attack and then tried to hide it.

On a personal note, I must say that I have never cared for Cindy. From the first time I saw her, I said to myself, "This woman is just nuts." I've never seen anyone so hostile towards the media right off the bat. She was downright ugly to Geraldo. Something is just wrong with this situation....the whole family thing doesn't feel right to me. The bizarre theories seem implausible....and are in fact lies, as we have seen again and again. Much of what has been claimed by this family isn't even remotely true. What's going on?

[one_hooah_wife]

Do you really think Prison is like that?

No idea, I've never been there ... I just thought it was a funny image!

[shannon718]

I think it is irresponsible to say that the mother killed the child at this point.

What I see when I read the above sentence:

At this point I think it is the irresponsible mother that killed the child.

imho

[Joyce]

Does the LE have to tell him what they have found with the dna testing before they announce it to the public? Can Casey pass messages back and forth to her family through the attorneys or are these recored also?

[Elley Mae]

Do you really think Prison is like that?

Yes I do,ask Jeffrey Daumur (sp)

[Patty G]

I feel Gp's and attorney is putting on this act for media for LE to call for a gag order... so they can visit in private etcc.. its a ploy for something and this is the best I can come up with as of now.. jmo


Casey's attorney already tried to put a "gag order" in place to STOP LE from releasing jailhouse phone calls and jailhouse visits. It was denied in court because Florida has the "sunshine law", it's public information.

[QuickAttack]

"The mother killed the child" won't get a conviction in a court of law. You said there is little doubt about what happened. How did Casey kill her? Was it premeditated or was it an accident? When did Casey kill her? Did Casey act alone or did she have help? What did Casey use the shovel for? What did she use the gasoline for? Where/how did Casey dispose of the body? Those are all questions that will be raised in court.

If she's tried for murder, that will most certainly be the state's case.

Again, you're trying to formulate a premature defense for a case that we don't have all the facts for. However, I'm sure that when the DA feels he has enough evidence to convict, we'll see murder charges.

I'm sure those questions will be raised in court...and I'm positive that, should the DA decide to prosecute for murder, he'll be able to answer those questions...although convictions AND death sentences have resulted in previous cases without all those details being presented.

[one_hooah_wife]

Yes I do,ask Jeffrey Daumur (sp)

:blowkiss::clap:

[PassTheMotrin]

I know! They should call in Sylvia Browne. She can channel Caylee and Caylee can tell us what happened to her herself.

[Elley Mae]

Fox news

[Patty G]

Do you really think Prison is like that?

Watch LOCKUP on MSNBC on Saturday nights. You will see what happens in PRISON.

[QuickAttack]

What I see when I read that sentence:

I think it is the irresponsible mother that killed the child at this point.

imho

You would be closer to the truth, imho.

:)

[RebeccaAdrianne]

Yes I do,ask Jeffrey Dahmer (sp)


yeah, but he and Casey are 2 totally different cases, he ate his victims and painted their skulls pretty colors and had sex with their dead bodies. Andrea Yates and Susan Smith are alive.

[Blondieskatz]

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Car broke down or was out of gas.
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Prove it

If the car was broke down or out of gas how would GA have driven it home from the tow tard? He doesn't mention having to get gas or work on the car when he picked it up. I may be wrong about that, but I haven't heard or read it anywhere.

[one_hooah_wife]

(...)Can Casey pass messages back and forth to her family through the attorneys or are these recored also?

Casey's visits and convos with her attorney are privileged, confidential and private. So, if she wanted to tell him to tell her family something he could pass it along. My bet is that Jose would be really careful about giving any sensitive info to the family since they have serious plumbing issues!

[cuppy199]

I was referring to if she goes to prison.

Exactly. Casey is confined what real trouble can she possible get into.Other then messing with the guards which IMO wouldnt be Casey style. She would try to con the guards not cause trouble. Not alot you can do when your locked alone day after day.

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I know about all the places discussed here and I actually found a house on a street and another member had a dream about a house, which I had for two days, etc.

One person can only be in one place at one time. You have to live in Florida and start walking the streets or through the woods to Grandma's house to know how HOT it is here.

When I moved to Florida in 2002, I felt like a tiny little ant in a HUGE state, which can be complicated to move around in at times.

The key player is Casey ... best bet, hold a sign up at the jail! "Where is your daughter?"

I visit FL 2 times every year to see my Great Grandmother and I know it's hot! I was just there this past June. In MD, we have non profit groups such as MDmissing that take on initiatives like this one. I have worked with MDmissing in the past regarding many cases. They go out on their own at times looking weather they are searching landfills or working directly with detectives, parents of the missing, and so on. Just wondering if FL has any groups like this? We can hold up a sign for the rest of our lives but I don't think we are going to get anything out of Casey. She's kept quiet this long, why start talking now. Just as LE feels that the investigation has to go on regardless of Casey's lies.

[Chilly Willy]

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Car broke down or was out of gas.
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Prove it

If the car was broke down or out of gas how would GA have driven it home from the tow tard? He doesn't mention having to get gas or work on the car when he picked it up. I may be wrong about that, but I haven't heard or read it anywhere.

George has not said whether he did or didn't put gas in the car. We can't assume that he didn't simply because he hasn't been asked that question publicly.

[Feistyoldbroad]

Watch LOCKUP on MSNBC on Saturday nights. You will see what happens in PRISON.

My DH works with female inmates. He doesn't tell me much because he says it would scare me to death. That's fine by me!:hand:

[OneLostGrl]

Yes I do,ask Jeffrey Daumur (sp)

huge difference between Dahmer and Casey Anthony. Huge

She will be in protective custody first of all. Dahmer was on work detail when he was killed.

[Blondieskatz]

I can almost guarantee you they do not have slam dunk DNA evidence which would be proof of decomposition of Cayle Marie Anthony's body. If that were the case, they would be obligated to notify the family that they have indisputable physical forensic evidence that the girl is dead. Only under extraordinary circumstances can I see them withholding this information.

Are you sure they would be obligated? I've never heard this before.

On OTR last night GVS says if they had DNA back and it was damning that LE might hold it close to the vest.

[SailorMoon]

Too true!! [

quote=Patty G;2494530]DOG, The Bounty Hunter's Wife "Beth" should go as well as Judge Judy. Between the two of them .. there might just be success![/quote]

[Joyce]

Casey's visits and convos with her attorney are privileged, confidential and private. So, if she wanted to tell him to tell her family something he could pass it along. My bet is that Jose would be really careful about giving any sensitive info to the family since they have serious plumbing issues!




This may be where there getting the idea that there is someone out there with Caylee and maybe since Gp was a LE maybe Casey is telling him things because she is mad at LE and dont trust them ? Who knows:bang:

[RebeccaAdrianne]

Plus Yates, systematically murdered all 5 of her babies, stayed in regular prison until she had a re-trial years later and got insanity plea. Somehow I would think she would've been more of a sitting duck than Casey.

[Patty G]

They showed a clip from the press conference so there has to be a video out there somewhere.

[MommaD]

Casey is in jail and there is NO privacy, even if there was a gag order. All a gag order would mean is that her phone calls and visits would not be released to the media - however - all her calls and visits would still be recorded by LE (except for attorney/client). LE would still be privvy to everything she said. Once you are in jail, there is no such thing as a private visit.


Right I understand that cricket but family esp. George is totally wacked out about leaks and media.. he would rather it not be out in public . jmo