Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #20

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around Nancy has her own forum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165), there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.


Newbies.....

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I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872).

[raisincharlie]

Roy,

I'm curious why you are thinking EVERYTHING is hearsey ?

Do you think Chief Bazemore was not telling the truth when she said there were no reported sightings of Nancy in the press conference on the evening of the 14th ?

[ncnative]

Here's my latest opinion. I remember when there was the press conference via the police, and one of Nancy Cooper's family members (I think one of her sisters) said something about the killer being a coward. The word cowardice was used by her.

The killer (in my opinion, I'm betting on BC) may have used a cowardly way of killing her. IF she came home under the influence of alcohol, say, he could have used that to somehow make it easier to bring her down. Or, he could've used a drug, or just hit her with something. A drug would have made it more planned, I think, so I'm not betting on that so much.

Do I sound like an amateur? I am!

I just think he would have been cowardly in his ways of bringing on her demise. Or at least in his cover-ups after the fact.

I've always thought that NC's family knew enough to come out and say the "cowardly" comment, and the comment about the killer coming forward and admitting it. They know something we don't.

[ncnative]

Things are a bit boring here. I wish that some of our Canadian folks who possibly knew Brad's mom and dad would speak up. I'm always interested in the family dynamics behind someone who exhibits personality disorders, or shall we say emotional problems. The ex-girlfriend and others have spoken out from his past.

Love to hear from Medicine Hat in Canada if anyone actually knows BC's mom. Even better, old elementary through high school teachers he had? Did he do team sports, etc.? A common thread would arise in his personality perhaps. WHETHER he did the crime or not.

[EntreNous]

Well, certainly they do since they've interacted with him face to face over the years of knowing him. They have a very personal take on BC that we don't.

They may well have knowledge that we don't but I think that would be unusual if LE shared any details with them.

[SleuthSayer]

So you believe a presser on the 16th in which they said nothing should not have been allowed ? The one on the 17th - the press had questions of them - should that have been disallowed as well ? And the one on the 18th they expressed thanks, assured people the kids were okay, and announced memorial services and responded to questions should also have been disallowed ?

Since I brought up the issue about the press conferences, I'll respond. As I said when I originally mentioned it, I didn't expect my opinion on them to be popular here. That's fine.

The general opinion here seems to be that Brad has not been sufficiently "public" since his wife's death. I.e., not at the press conferences and not at public memorials. I was just expressing my opinion that people can also be too public in some cases.

I just went back and listened to the first few minutes of the 7/18 press conference. The police chief said that the investigation was progressing well, that she wouldn't take any questions, detailed the plans for a memorial service, and then she said that the family wanted to talk about the children. They discussed the personalities of the children (how they differed, etc), how the children got along with cousins, etc, etc.

I personally don't see why there is any public need to know of information related to 4 and 2 year old children of a murder victim. I seems that all the public needs to know is that the children are safe and are being cared for. I can't imagine seeing my in-laws sitting in front of cameras discussing my children.

The 7/17 press conference was similar in nature, but was focused on Nancy.

As far as whether the conferences should have been "disallowed", I guess that's the Cary Police's call. To me, if the family felt that the public needed to know personal information about Nancy and the children, a more appropriate venue would have been the Today Show or Larry King rather than a Cary Police news conference.

JMHO and I don't have a problem with people having the different opinions.

[raisincharlie]

Since I brought up the issue about the press conferences, I'll respond. As I said when I originally mentioned it, I didn't expect my opinion on them to be popular here. That's fine.

The general opinion here seems to be that Brad has not been sufficiently "public" since his wife's death. I.e., not at the press conferences and not at public memorials. I was just expressing my opinion that people can also be too public in some cases.

I just went back and listened to the first few minutes of the 7/18 press conference. The police chief said that the investigation was progressing well, that she wouldn't take any questions, detailed the plans for a memorial service, and then she said that the family wanted to talk about the children. They discussed the personalities of the children (how they differed, etc), how the children got along with cousins, etc, etc.

I personally don't see why there is any public need to know of information related to 4 and 2 year old children of a murder victim. I seems that all the public needs to know is that the children are safe and are being cared for. I can't imagine seeing my in-laws sitting in front of cameras discussing my children.

The 7/17 press conference was similar in nature, but was focused on Nancy.

As far as whether the conferences should have been "disallowed", I guess that's the Cary Police's call. To me, if the family felt that the public needed to know personal information about Nancy and the children, a more appropriate venue would have been the Today Show or Larry King rather than a Cary Police news conference.

JMHO and I don't have a problem with people having the different opinions.

I see this very differently. Had her parents gone on the syndicated shows such as you reference, they would have been open to accusations by Brad and others that they were sensationalizing this tragedy and exploiting those children. In the confines of the Cary PD press room, they were communicating with the community that knew Nancy, with the Cary community and they controlled what was being asked and not being put on the spot by some half asleep codger like Larry King.

[momto3kids]

Since I brought up the issue about the press conferences, I'll respond. As I said when I originally mentioned it, I didn't expect my opinion on them to be popular here. That's fine.

The general opinion here seems to be that Brad has not been sufficiently "public" since his wife's death. I.e., not at the press conferences and not at public memorials. I was just expressing my opinion that people can also be too public in some cases.

I just went back and listened to the first few minutes of the 7/18 press conference. The police chief said that the investigation was progressing well, that she wouldn't take any questions, detailed the plans for a memorial service, and then she said that the family wanted to talk about the children. They discussed the personalities of the children (how they differed, etc), how the children got along with cousins, etc, etc.

I personally don't see why there is any public need to know of information related to 4 and 2 year old children of a murder victim. I seems that all the public needs to know is that the children are safe and are being cared for. I can't imagine seeing my in-laws sitting in front of cameras discussing my children.

The 7/17 press conference was similar in nature, but was focused on Nancy.

As far as whether the conferences should have been "disallowed", I guess that's the Cary Police's call. To me, if the family felt that the public needed to know personal information about Nancy and the children, a more appropriate venue would have been the Today Show or Larry King rather than a Cary Police news conference.

JMHO and I don't have a problem with people having the different opinions.

I think part of the problem is...
Cary has only had 3or4 murders in 9 yrs. This is not something the CPD have encountered too often, and like anything you have to learn on trial and error if it was good or not to do anything in the manner they did. They will know by public opinion after all is said and done.

As we all know this is unprecedented to where the victims family moved in and took the children with no notice what so ever. The biological parent is alive and not been named a suspect or POI. IMO this in itself was a concern to many of us as to how the girls are doing and see how this happened and for what reasons.

This was their way to say the girls are adjusting and doing well, then to go on national tv and parade them.

[ncnative]

Raisincharlie said: "... some half asleep codger like Larry King..." :D

LOL

[raisincharlie]

Raisincharlie said: "... some half asleep codger like Larry King..." :D

LOL

I was being kind :crazy:

[EntreNous]

I see this very differently. Had her parents gone on the syndicated shows such as you reference, they would have been open to accusations by Brad and others that they were sensationalizing this tragedy and exploiting those children. In the confines of the Cary PD press room, they were communicating with the community that knew Nancy, with the Cary community and they controlled what was being asked and not being put on the spot by some half asleep codger like Larry King.

:spit:

[CARYISHOME]

I think part of the problem is...
Cary has only had 3or4 murders in 9 yrs. This is not something the CPD have encountered too often, and like anything you have to learn on trial and error if it was good or not to do anything in the manner they did. They will know by public opinion after all is said and done.

As we all know this is unprecedented to where the victims family moved in and took the children with no notice what so ever. The biological parent is alive and not been named a suspect or POI. IMO this in itself was a concern to many of us as to how the girls are doing and see how this happened and for what reasons.

This was their way to say the girls are adjusting and doing well, then to go on national tv and parade them.

Just a comment on the CPD - IMO

Since murder investigations are not that common in Cary, I am hoping the CPD has had lots of opportunity to go to training to prepare for such an event. They certainly have not had much on the job training as a group. Still, the community has high expectations of them and I am sure they are acutely aware of that.

[EntreNous]

I think part of the problem is...
Cary has only had 3or4 murders in 9 yrs. This is not something the CPD have encountered too often, and like anything you have to learn on trial and error if it was good or not to do anything in the manner they did. They will know by public opinion after all is said and done.

As we all know this is unprecedented to where the victims family moved in and took the children with no notice what so ever. The biological parent is alive and not been named a suspect or POI. IMO this in itself was a concern to many of us as to how the girls are doing and see how this happened and for what reasons.

This was their way to say the girls are adjusting and doing well, then to go on national tv and parade them.

I agree this established them as a grieving family concerned for the babies who were fast becoming the focus of the public and press. I think this was a very nice way of saying, the girls are going back to Canada to be protected from the circus of the investigation and the media, so kindly let us be in peace with them far, far away.

Also, someone stated this some threads back that these kinds of pressers are pretty common in missing persons cases which this started out being.

[Deduction]

Since I brought up the issue about the press conferences, I'll respond. As I said when I originally mentioned it, I didn't expect my opinion on them to be popular here. That's fine.

The general opinion here seems to be that Brad has not been sufficiently "public" since his wife's death. I.e., not at the press conferences and not at public memorials. I was just expressing my opinion that people can also be too public in some cases.

I just went back and listened to the first few minutes of the 7/18 press conference. The police chief said that the investigation was progressing well, that she wouldn't take any questions, detailed the plans for a memorial service, and then she said that the family wanted to talk about the children. They discussed the personalities of the children (how they differed, etc), how the children got along with cousins, etc, etc.

I personally don't see why there is any public need to know of information related to 4 and 2 year old children of a murder victim. I seems that all the public needs to know is that the children are safe and are being cared for. I can't imagine seeing my in-laws sitting in front of cameras discussing my children.

The 7/17 press conference was similar in nature, but was focused on Nancy.

As far as whether the conferences should have been "disallowed", I guess that's the Cary Police's call. To me, if the family felt that the public needed to know personal information about Nancy and the children, a more appropriate venue would have been the Today Show or Larry King rather than a Cary Police news conference.

JMHO and I don't have a problem with people having the different opinions.


I agree with you completly. Your opinion on this board might not be popular, but I remember on the comments section of the WRAL board that many posters were yelling for the publicity to stop. They thought it was way over the top. Many here have tried and convicted Brad because he did not attend the Memorial services with his children. I am not real certain he could have even if he would have wanted to.
Let us remember the Rentz family had a large number of police officers surround him and take the children from him crying. They did this on a Ex Parte Court Order claiming the children were in danger if they were in his care. Even now he can not visit the children without supervised visitation. Let's just suppose he did show up at the Memorial service. It would not have surprised me in the least if the Rentz would had him arrested for being a threat to the children or whatever charge they might have sneaked past the judge earlier that day. At the very best, everone could read the tension in the air between the Rentz and Brad. I very much respect that he stepped back and allowed her the decency of having a Memorial service without all that tension in the air. Until you have grieved alone or in secret I wouldn't expect you to understand.

If Brad is guilty, there is no reason for Brad to go to any of the services, and if he is innocent, IMO, he certainly doesn't owe it to Nancy's family to go. If he is innocent his first duty right now is to get his children back. IMO.

[Roy23]

Roy,

I'm curious why you are thinking EVERYTHING is hearsey ?

Do you think Chief Bazemore was not telling the truth when she said there were no reported sightings of Nancy in the press conference on the evening of the 14th ?


I believe he said that but she is not leaning in any direction in saying that. She has said that Nancy was murdered, Brad is cooperating and it is not an isolated event. In any case, she has not tipped her hand at all. The fact that nobody saw Nancy could mean a whole lot but the Chief has not led us to believe anything as far as I can tell.

You make a good point but I don't live there. In almost all cases, the police release a heck of a lot more than they are doing here. That is why Brad's attorneys are getting whatever they can. I just think if this was simple they would have a POI. Any sign of struggle in the home and Brad is in jail.

[ncnative]

Does anyone remember when a pregnant Cary woman was murdered by her husband when he pushed her over a bridge onto a Cary greenway? I don't even remember the decade it happened in, but I'm thinking the 1990's. There's a Cary murder that I bet has gone forgotten.

[raisincharlie]

I believe he said that but she is not leaning in any direction in saying that. She has said that Nancy was murdered, Brad is cooperating and it is not an isolated event. In any case, she has not tipped her hand at all. The fact that nobody saw Nancy could mean a whole lot but the Chief has not led us to believe anything as far as I can tell.

You make a good point but I don't live there. In almost all cases, the police release a heck of a lot more than they are doing here. That is why Brad's attorneys are getting whatever they can. I just think if this was simple they would have a POI. Any sign of struggle in the home and Brad is in jail.

Ok - I got it. Just checking - thanks :)

[CARYISHOME]

I agree with you completly. Your opinion on this board might not be popular, but I remember on the comments section of the WRAL board that many posters were yelling for the publicity to stop. They thought it was way over the top. Many here have tried and convicted Brad because he did not attend the Memorial services with his children. I am not real certain he could have even if he would have wanted to. let us remember the Rentz family had the a large number of police officer surround him and take the children from him crying. They did this on a Ex Parte Cort Order claiming the children were in danger if they were in his care. Even now he can not visit the children without supervised visitation. Let's just suppose he did show up at the Memorial service. It would not have surprised me in the least if the Rentz would had him arrested for being a threat to the children or whatever charge they might have sneaked past the judge earlier that day.

If Brad is guilty, there is no reason for brad to go to any of the services, and if he is innocent, IMO, he certainly doesn't owe it to Nancy's family to go. If he is innocent his first duty right now is to get his children back. IMO.

Regarding public appearances - Brad seemed to be in a da*ned if you do da*ned if you don't type of situation. Given that, I have a hard time judging him negatively for not attending the various events. He may have felt the best thing to do for the children was to just lay low. Besides, these public events were for the most part orchestrated by NC's parents.

[mahmoo]

Things are a bit boring here. I wish that some of our Canadian folks who possibly knew Brad's mom and dad would speak up. I'm always interested in the family dynamics behind someone who exhibits personality disorders, or shall we say emotional problems. The ex-girlfriend and others have spoken out from his past.

Love to hear from Medicine Hat in Canada if anyone actually knows BC's mom. Even better, old elementary through high school teachers he had? Did he do team sports, etc.? A common thread would arise in his personality perhaps. WHETHER he did the crime or not.

hi ncnative :seeya:

I wish we would hear from relatives, friends......anyone close to this case....I know it's asking for too much but.....I still wish it anyway.

At least we do have many locals posting here and I really like that......ya'll have been able to give us a better idea of what the scenario is like there and it helps.

[jumpstreet]

Tonight my husband brought up a good point that I had not thought of....

By pushing for the psychiatric test as NC's family is, if it proves BC does have some psychological issues, then IMO K&B are going to jump all over it in their defense for BC if he gets charged with murder. Should we be handing them this on a silver platter?

It's a good point. Here's my thought on it: The top priority in the moment for NC's family is permanent custody of the children. They may have their suspicions of who the perpetrator is, or they may know for sure it is (or isn't) BC. [For example, they may already know it falls in the Theory B (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465948&postcount=171) (someone besides BC that knows NC did it) category for example.

Nevertheless, they are 100% of the opinion (regardless of who did it), that what's best for the kids is for them to have custody (they are also convinced, as are most NC's friends who submitted affidavits, that this is what Nancy would want).

So, in the moment, that's their #1 priority (custody), with less regard for any impacts on the criminal investigation.

If they already (somehow) know that BC didn't do it (but of course aren't at liberty to say that per advice from LE), yet still don't want him to have the children, then there's even less (zero) conflict between the custody battle, and the criminal investigation anyway.

If BC did do it, and somehow, someway the (potentially ordered) psyche evaluation helps with a (however many years from now) defense, then NC's family may exchange that in return for solidifying their custody case (in the near-term).

[CARYISHOME]

Does anyone remember when a pregnant Cary woman was murdered by her husband when he pushed her over a bridge onto a Cary greenway? I don't even remember the decade it happened in, but I'm thinking the 1990's. There's a Cary murder that I bet has gone forgotten.

OMG! Yes, I remember! I live very close to there and drive over that bridge several times a day. I walk down that greenway sometimes, too.

Her husband was eventually convicted.

[wirehair]

I think he was convicted.

Does anyone remember when a pregnant Cary woman was murdered by her husband when he pushed her over a bridge onto a Cary greenway? I don't even remember the decade it happened in, but I'm thinking the 1990's. There's a Cary murder that I bet has gone forgotten.

[mahmoo]

If Brad is guilty, there is no reason for Brad to go to any of the services, and if he is innocent, IMO, he certainly doesn't owe it to Nancy's family to go. If he is innocent his first duty right now is to get his children back. IMO.

Maybe he didn't owe "it" to Nancy's family but, I think he d-mn-d sure owed it to Nancy, their 2 daughters and himself !!! If he was innocent.......his children wouldn't be in Canada right now.

[mahmoo]

some half asleep codger like Larry King.

He's sweet though..........


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[raisincharlie]

He's sweet though..........


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OMG :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

[EntreNous]

I agree with you completly. Your opinion on this board might not be popular, but I remember on the comments section of the WRAL board that many posters were yelling for the publicity to stop. They thought it was way over the top. Many here have tried and convicted Brad because he did not attend the Memorial services with his children. I am not real certain he could have even if he would have wanted to.
Let us remember the Rentz family had a large number of police officers surround him and take the children from him crying. They did this on a Ex Parte Court Order claiming the children were in danger if they were in his care. Even now he can not visit the children without supervised visitation. Let's just suppose he did show up at the Memorial service. It would not have surprised me in the least if the Rentz would had him arrested for being a threat to the children or whatever charge they might have sneaked past the judge earlier that day. At the very best, everone could read the tension in the air between the Rentz and Brad. I very much respect that he stepped back and allowed her the decency of having a Memorial service without all that tension in the air. Until you have grieved alone or in secret I wouldn't expect you to understand.

If Brad is guilty, there is no reason for Brad to go to any of the services, and if he is innocent, IMO, he certainly doesn't owe it to Nancy's family to go. If he is innocent his first duty right now is to get his children back. IMO.
Since when did the Rentz family tell the CPD how to retrieve the girls? They had a large number of police officers surround him and take the children from him crying? You really think the Rentz's orchestrated the manner in which the CPD did that? And you believe they'd sneak an arrest past the judge? Really? Wow, they must be some seriously sinister people in your estimation. And apparently the CPD is up for hire by the Rentz family and the judge is in what, a coma?

As to the third highlighted comment, Brad Cooper isn't grieving alone. He's grieving with his parents, his brother, Scott Heider and his other friends who filed affidavits on his behalf. He's not alone. What would make you think he is?

I forgot something, any and all secret grieving he does is his clear and conscious choice.

[jumpstreet]

I just think if this was simple they would have a POI. Any sign of struggle in the home and Brad is in jail.

Make no mistake, they have at least one POI. If nothing else, as evidenced by the warrant of the workplace. I assert they don't bother to search one's office (nor get judge to issue a warrant for same) without being [I]very interested in you, or something about you.

The key is they (presumably intentionally) haven't named a POI (as that requires them to divulge other pieces of information to the defense earlier than LE would prefer to). It may be frustrating to the public, and may appear as if there's little progress, but it doesn't mean that's reality.

It's semantics, and strategic: If LE thinks that publicly naming someone a POI will help them get to an arrest sooner (perhaps force someone to "slip up", get "nervous", or confess), then they'll name a POI/suspect.

If LE doesn't think naming a POI/suspect will help them get to an arrest sooner, then there's no incentive to name one. [ At least not in the short term, and even in the long term, it just becomes a PR problem ("LE's been working on this case for XX and they still don't have any leads/suspects!"), but the PR is still secondary to their desire to achieve justice (and rightly so IMO) ]

In this specific case, it seems fairly likely that a suspect/POI will be named/made-known at the same time they're being placed under arrest. Even then, they may not do it explicitly. [ Though, I'll also assert it can be inferred when being read your Miranda rights, that LE has a developed a profound interest in you :) ]

LE has POI(s), they just haven't (and likely) won't name them (does not imply a lack of progress [let's hope] :) ).

[cygnusx1]

Does anyone remember when a pregnant Cary woman was murdered by her husband when he pushed her over a bridge onto a Cary greenway? I don't even remember the decade it happened in, but I'm thinking the 1990's. There's a Cary murder that I bet has gone forgotten.

Yep. Happened about a mile from my previous home.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/165670/
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/165915/

Hey, he is Canadian and was studying for an MBA too!

[mahmoo]

omg :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

bad moo moo :slap:

[Roy23]

Make no mistake, they have at least one POI. If nothing else, as evidenced by the warrant of the workplace. I assert they don't bother to search one's office (nor get judge to issue a warrant for same) without being [I]very interested in you, or something about you.

The key is they (presumably intentionally) haven't named a POI (as that requires them to divulge other pieces of information to the defense earlier than LE would prefer to). It may be frustrating to the public, and may appear as if there's little progress, but it doesn't mean that's reality.

It's semantics, and strategic: If LE thinks that publicly naming someone a POI will help them get to an arrest sooner (perhaps force someone to "slip up", get "nervous", or confess), then they'll name a POI/suspect.

If LE doesn't think naming a POI/suspect will help them get to an arrest sooner, then there's no incentive to name one. [ At least not in the short term, and even in the long term, it just becomes a PR problem ("LE's been working on this case for XX and they still don't have any leads/suspects!"), but the PR is still secondary to their desire to achieve justice (and rightly so IMO) ]

In this specific case, it seems fairly likely that a suspect/POI will be named/made-known at the same time they're being placed under arrest. Even then, they may not do it explicitly. [ Though, I'll also assert it can be inferred when being read your Miranda rights, that LE has a developed a profound interest in you :) ]

LE has POI(s), they just haven't (and likely) won't name them (does not imply a lack of progress [let's hope] :) ).


I totally understand what you are saying BUT this will be different than any case than I can ever think of. Sure they looked hard at her husband and only idiots would not. The fact is that if he just went nuts and killed her and left evidence everywhere, he would be in jail by now. He is not and has not been named as anything but cooperative even with all of the search warrants. I could name numerous reason that they would search
Brad's computer at work.

[cygnusx1]

[snip]
The key is they (presumably intentionally) haven't named a POI (as that requires them to divulge other pieces of information to the defense earlier than LE would prefer to). It may be frustrating to the public, and may appear as if there's little progress, but it doesn't mean that's reality.

It's semantics, and strategic: If LE thinks that publicly naming someone a POI will help them get to an arrest sooner (perhaps force someone to "slip up", get "nervous", or confess), then they'll name a POI/suspect.

If LE doesn't think naming a POI/suspect will help them get to an arrest sooner, then there's no incentive to name one.

[snip]

LE has POI(s), they just haven't (and likely) won't name them (does not imply a lack of progress [let's hope] :) ).

Doesn't LE risk their prime suspect fleeing if they don't name them as a POI or suspect?

[mahmoo]

Make no mistake, they have at least one POI. If nothing else, as evidenced by the warrant of the workplace. I assert they don't bother to search one's office (nor get judge to issue a warrant for same) without being [I]very interested in you, or something about you.

The key is they (presumably intentionally) haven't named a POI (as that requires them to divulge other pieces of information to the defense earlier than LE would prefer to). It may be frustrating to the public, and may appear as if there's little progress, but it doesn't mean that's reality.

It's semantics, and strategic: If LE thinks that publicly naming someone a POI will help them get to an arrest sooner (perhaps force someone to "slip up", get "nervous", or confess), then they'll name a POI/suspect.

If LE doesn't think naming a POI/suspect will help them get to an arrest sooner, then there's no incentive to name one. [ At least not in the short term, and even in the long term, it just becomes a PR problem ("LE's been working on this case for XX and they still don't have any leads/suspects!"), but the PR is still secondary to their desire to achieve justice (and rightly so IMO) ]

In this specific case, it seems fairly likely that a suspect/POI will be named/made-known at the same time they're being placed under arrest. Even then, they may not do it explicitly. [ Though, I'll also assert it can be inferred when being read your Miranda rights, that LE has a developed a profound interest in you :) ]

LE has POI(s), they just haven't (and likely) won't name them (does not imply a lack of progress [let's hope] :) ).


Thank ya Jesus.............the voice of reason here :clap: and I love the way you put it in "basic" terms. Can we "sticky" this post.......LOL.

[raisincharlie]

I totally understand what you are saying BUT this will be different than any case than I can ever think of. Sure they looked hard at her husband and only idiots would not. The fact is that if he just went nuts and killed her and left evidence everywhere, he would be in jail by now. He is not and has not been named as anything but cooperative even with all of the search warrants. I could name numerous reason that they would search
Brad's computer at work.

How cooperative is he ? Why did LE have to have a warrant to take a DNA sample from him at 3am on the 16th ?

Roy I just don't buy the line if he left evidence everywhere he would be in jail. Collecting that evidence, controlling it and having it analyzed all take time. The SBI lab does not prioritize samples to the point of having results yesterday - in fact their turn around time is reported to be 60 days. While LE may see evidence everywhere - until the reality of it is determined through testing and following all records and leads- LE would be incredibly foolish to arrest someone without these results. No DA is going to go for an arrest warrant from the GJ until they have a darn good idea they can prove the case - what LE may simply see is simply not good enough.

[Roy23]

RC,

LE has stated that Brad has been fully cooperative. Brad did not deny DNA samples. They just got a warrant for it anyway. Name a case that has been even remotely like this where you have TONS of circumstancial evidence that shows the husband despises his wife, has been totally cooperative, they recovered a body close to the house, and is not a POI at this point of the investigation.

[raisincharlie]

RC,

LE has stated that Brad has been fully cooperative. Brad did not deny DNA samples. They just got a warrant for it anyway. Name a case that has been even remotely like this where you have TONS of circumstancial evidence that shows the husband despises his wife, has been totally cooperative, they recovered a body close to the house, and is not a POI at this point of the investigation.

Cooperative - not fully cooperative. Tons of circumstantial evidence - you told me earlier it is all hearsey - EVERYTHING was hearsey even the PD Chief reporting that there had been no reported sightings of Nancy.

He could not deny the DNA sample when being served a warrant for the collection of it - otherwise he would indeed be in jail, for contempt. How do you know he or his lawyer didn't deny to give the sample and tell LE to get a warrant for it, if I may ask ?

These kinds of cases are a dime a dozen anymore - unfortunately. Some even include murder victims inside their own home much less dumped. Several are being discussed on this website.

[momto3kids]

If Brad is guilty, there is no reason for Brad to go to any of the services, and if he is innocent, IMO, he certainly doesn't owe it to Nancy's family to go. If he is innocent his first duty right now is to get his children back. IMO.

No, but he owed it to Nancy the woman he claims to have loved, and wanted the marriage to work with.

Reread BC's affidavit 194 & 195. He spent the morning with the girls before the service on Saturday and told Bella what happened to her mom just before the service.

If BC was anything of a man and not a mouse, he would have sucked it up for those girls he claims he loves and gotten thru it with them. What is a parent for? To be there in time of need. HE WASN'T THERE when they needed him!:mad:

How HORRIBLE to tell you children mommy is dead then walk away from them.
It is absolutely disgusting IMO

[Roy23]

Cooperative - not fully cooperative. Tons of circumstantial evidence - you told me earlier it is all hearsey - EVERYTHING was hearsey even the PD Chief reporting that there had been no reported sightings of Nancy.

He could not deny the DNA sample when being served a warrant for the collection of it - otherwise he would indeed be in jail, for contempt. How do you know he or his lawyer didn't deny to give the sample and tell LE to get a warrant for it, if I may ask ?

These kinds of cases are a dime a dozen anymore - unfortunately. Some even include murder victims inside their own home much less dumped. Several are being discussed on this website.


Had he denied a DNA sample he would have been labled incooperative. When LE is forced to get search warrants they do not label a suspect or anyone as cooperative. You should know this. It is time for you to accept that this is not as simple of a case as you think. Right now Brad Cooper is free to leave the country and do whatever he wants. I don't doubt that he might be a killer but this case has twists and turns that we have no idea of. Scott Peterson was a POI almost immediately and without a body. He was shadowed. Brad is a cooperative and LE is doing everything they can to try and name him a POI or suspect. Think about how DNA could be involved in this case. They are obviously waiting on it. If this is a DNA case, there was a struggle. They obviously see very little at minimum sign of a stuggle in that house. Touch DNA maybe? Or possibly a rape/murder.

You have to understand that LE has labeled BC as very cooperative. Just read the interviews. Name a case like this. Casey Anthony? Michelle Young? Scott Peterson? There is not one that I know of.

[fran]

FWIW, Laci Peterson disappeared on Xmas Eve and by March LE had submitted their case to the DA who wanted them to hold off and continue to search for the body.

Laci and Conner washed ashore and five days later identified and Scott Peterson was arrested on April 18th.

Long time coming when LE KNEW they had their man, just not quite enough evidence, ie the body.

Nancy Cooper has been autopsied prior to all of the 'evidence' being tested. It's just a matter of time before the results will be in.

JMHO
fran

[Roy23]

FWIW, Laci Peterson disappeared on Xmas Eve and by March LE had submitted their case to the DA who wanted them to hold off and continue to search for the body.

Laci and Conner washed ashore and five days later identified and Scott Peterson was arrested on April 18th.

Long time coming when LE KNEW they had their man, just not quite enough evidence, ie the body.

Nancy Cooper has been autopsied prior to all of the 'evidence' being tested. It's just a matter of time before the results will be in.

JMHO
fran


Scott Peterson was a POI that LE followed every where he went. LE was his shadow and they released evidence of foul play. He was a suspect and POI unlike here. It doesn't compare.

[momto3kids]

So an update....BC has paid his electric bill as of today. He has lights on, actually all the downstairs are on, even the porch light. You would think company is coming. The blind that was partially opened on the staircase...the one with the ADT sign in it....CLOSED tight.

Sorry this can't be more exciting to report, but I am sure it will be soon, I hope.

[ncnative]

Larry's mom is looking good. Heh.

[ncnative]

:bang:Uh, woops. I'm on the wrong board...

No wait. I'm in the right place. Just on page 2...I'm going to go check in at the local "home" and ask for some of that there Alzheimers medication.

[fran]

Scott Peterson was a POI that LE followed every where he went. LE was his shadow and they released evidence of foul play. He was a suspect and POI unlike here. It doesn't compare.

Sorry, he wasn't a POI.

MPD said 'Scott has not been cleared' or something like that. They NEVER said he was a 'suspect' or POI.

You're right, they did follow him. We watched that case very closely here at Websleuths and CourtTV board and we NEVER knew LE was tailing him, they were taping him, nothing. LOTS of info came out that we knew NOTHING about.

This case DOES compare quite well to the Laci Peterson investigation. Similar, :eek:very similar, IMHO.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

So an update....BC has paid his electric bill as of today. He has lights on, actually all the downstairs are on, even the porch light. You would think company is coming. The blind that was partially opened on the staircase...the one with the ADT sign in it....CLOSED tight.

Sorry this can't be more exciting to report, but I am sure it will be soon, I hope.

Wonder if he's packing up?:confused:

Could be cleaning house and doing the wash!:eek:

Maybe he's not even home, just wants us to think he's home. ;)

JMHO
fran


PS....orrrrrrr, maybe he's sitting behind the shuttered windows reading Websleuths! OH, hi Brad! :)

Oh, yeah! PPS........SCOTT PETERSON was cooperative too! Until the day he was arrested. Boy, was he surprised! :woohoo:

[maconrich]

Had he denied a DNA sample he would have been labled incooperative. When LE is forced to get search warrants they do not label a suspect or anyone as cooperative. You should know this. It is time for you to accept that this is not as simple of a case as you think. Right now Brad Cooper is free to leave the country and do whatever he wants. I don't doubt that he might be a killer but this case has twists and turns that we have no idea of. Scott Peterson was a POI almost immediately and without a body. He was shadowed. Brad is a cooperative and LE is doing everything they can to try and name him a POI or suspect. Think about how DNA could be involved in this case. They are obviously waiting on it. If this is a DNA case, there was a struggle. They obviously see very little at minimum sign of a stuggle in that house. Touch DNA maybe? Or possibly a rape/murder.

You have to understand that LE has labeled BC as very cooperative. Just read the interviews. Name a case like this. Casey Anthony? Michelle Young? Scott Peterson? There is not one that I know of.

I'm sure you have a link that proves exactly how LE thinks BC has been cleared of all/any suspicion? That he's not being tailed? That there was or wasn't a struggle in the house? Anything at all on DNA? And that he's free to leave the country at will?

[raisincharlie]

Had he denied a DNA sample he would have been labled incooperative. When LE is forced to get search warrants they do not label a suspect or anyone as cooperative. You should know this. It is time for you to accept that this is not as simple of a case as you think. Right now Brad Cooper is free to leave the country and do whatever he wants. I don't doubt that he might be a killer but this case has twists and turns that we have no idea of. Scott Peterson was a POI almost immediately and without a body. He was shadowed. Brad is a cooperative and LE is doing everything they can to try and name him a POI or suspect. Think about how DNA could be involved in this case. They are obviously waiting on it. If this is a DNA case, there was a struggle. They obviously see very little at minimum sign of a stuggle in that house. Touch DNA maybe? Or possibly a rape/murder.

You have to understand that LE has labeled BC as very cooperative. Just read the interviews. Name a case like this. Casey Anthony? Michelle Young? Scott Peterson? There is not one that I know of.

I understand Roy - trust me I understand cop speak very well. I also understand police procedure very well. I also understand the implications of search warrants and of DNA very well.

I do not however understand how you can claim LE saw very little sign of a struggle at the house or that this case has all these twists and turns. I do not see how you can claim that at all after watching the videos of LE removing bag after bag of evidence from that house.

Brad may be free to do as he pleases, but I seriuously doubt LE is going to allow him to leave the country - if he is cooperating, he has turned his passport over to prove it. LE has never said Brad has been anything other than cooperative - not very cooperative, not totally not extremely - just cooperative. No doubt he gave them his story, that is cooperating.

FWIW - Touch DNA is a load of garbage.

[Fairy1]

Sorry, he wasn't a POI.

MPD said 'Scott has not been cleared' or something like that. They NEVER said he was a 'suspect' or POI.

You're right, they did follow him. We watched that case very closely here at Websleuths and CourtTV board and we NEVER knew LE was tailing him, they were taping him, nothing. LOTS of info came out that we knew NOTHING about.

This case DOES compare quite well to the Laci Peterson investigation. Similar, :eek:very similar, IMHO.

JMHO
fran

Honestly, we don't know if LE is tailing BC. I'm curious, is he there in that house ALONE?

[momto3kids]

Wonder if he's packing up?:confused:

Could be cleaning house and doing the wash!:eek:

Maybe he's not even home, just wants us to think he's home. ;)

JMHO
fran


PS....orrrrrrr, maybe he's sitting behind the shuttered windows reading Websleuths! OH, hi Brad! :)

Fran...all I hope is his mommy is not in there taking charge and doing away with NC's things. After reading her and NC were not on good terms at all.

It will be a sad day if NC's parents can't get some of NC cherished items to take back to Canada, ie, yearbooks, baby pictures, family jewelry, what ever it may be. Why will it not surprise me to hear this might be occuring? I guess because BC would be in control again if he does this, to hurt the Rentz's for what they did with his girls?

[fran]

Honestly, we don't know if LE is tailing BC. I'm curious, is he there in that house ALONE?

I NEVER said they were tailing BC. It was said Scott Peterson was a POI when LE was tailing him. I'm just correcting this for the record. Scott Peterson was NEVER named a POI or suspect.

He was JUST arrested! then tried. :rolleyes:

I have no idea if he's in the house alone. He's using a lot of electricity for just one person IF he's alone though!

JMHO
fran

[fran]

Fran...all I hope is his mommy is not in there taking charge and doing away with NC's things. After reading her and NC were not on good terms at all.

It will be a sad day if NC's parents can't get some of NC cherished items to take back to Canada, ie, yearbooks, baby pictures, family jewelry, what ever it may be. Why will it not surprise me to hear this might be occuring? I guess because BC would be in control again if he does this, to hurt the Rentz's for what they did with his girls?

Well, they are a lot like the P's and they seemed to do whatever they could to hurt the Rochas. Even sent their little lawyer over to Laci's house and tried to have them arrested for taking their own daughter's things.

Getting back to the Coopers, yes, it would be sad if Nancy's parents couldn't get her cherished items, to save for the children. IF the MIL is anything like Nancy made her out to be, she sounds........nevermind.;)

You're right, it would be too sad. :(

JMHO
fran

[EntreNous]

FWIW, Laci Peterson disappeared on Xmas Eve and by March LE had submitted their case to the DA who wanted them to hold off and continue to search for the body.

Laci and Conner washed ashore and five days later identified and Scott Peterson was arrested on April 18th.

Long time coming when LE KNEW they had their man, just not quite enough evidence, ie the body.

Nancy Cooper has been autopsied prior to all of the 'evidence' being tested. It's just a matter of time before the results will be in.

JMHO
fran
And Fran, IIRC they wanted to wait to make the arrest on Peterson until the DNA on the bodies came back but with Scott bleaching his hair and his newly grown goatee, and his weird behavior after the bodies washed ashore they made the arrest in anticipation of him leaving the country. So even in that case, they wanted to wait for the DNA but couldn't.

[Anderson]

No, but he owed it to Nancy the woman he claims to have loved, and wanted the marriage to work with.

Reread BC's affidavit 194 & 195. He spent the morning with the girls before the service on Saturday and told Bella what happened to her mom just before the service.

If BC was anything of a man and not a mouse, he would have sucked it up for those girls he claims he loves and gotten thru it with them. What is a parent for? To be there in time of need. HE WASN'T THERE when they needed him!:mad:

How HORRIBLE to tell you children mommy is dead then walk away from them.
It is absolutely disgusting IMO

Well put.:clap:

[fran]

And Fran, IIRC they wanted to wait to make the arrest on Peterson until the DNA on the bodies came back but with Scott bleaching his hair and his newly grown goatee, and his weird behavior after the bodies washed ashore they made the arrest in anticipation of him leaving the country. So even in that case, they wanted to wait for the DNA but couldn't.

Actually, they told EVERYONE it would take a month for the DNA to come back. But what they didn't say was they already had 1/2 of it done from previously. ie Scott's etc.

They finished in just a few days. LOTS of personnel burned the midnight oil to get that DNA done ASAP! Federal and State agencies participated in that analysis, I believe working 24 hours a day.

That's why old SP was soooo sooo surprised when they stopped and arrested him!:eek:

He thought he had a few more days and he didn't.

Wonder if Brad is wondering if the SAME thing will happen to him?:waitasec:

Time will tell, huh :wave:Brad! ;)

JMHO
fran

[Fairy1]

I NEVER said they were tailing BC. It was said Scott Peterson was a POI when LE was tailing him. I'm just correcting this for the record. Scott Peterson was NEVER named a POI or suspect.

He was JUST arrested! then tried. :rolleyes:

I have no idea if he's in the house alone. He's using a lot of electricity for just one person IF he's alone though!

JMHO
fran

Jeez - settle down, Fran! My post was not directed at you. I said WE DON'T KNOW if LE is tailing Brad. I understand the parallels here. And I know you would have no idea if BC is there alone. I'm curious because, under the circumstances, I know my family (if they believed in me) would be by my side until I was in the clear. That's just MO. :blowkiss:

[raisincharlie]

Well put.:clap:

Impossible to argue with those words isn't it ? Very well put indeed.

[fran]

Jeez - settle down, Fran! My post was not directed at you. I said WE DON'T KNOW if LE is tailing Brad. I understand the parallels here. And I know you would have no idea if BC is there alone. I'm curious because, under the circumstances, I know my family (if they believed in me) would be by my side until I was in the clear. That's just MO. :blowkiss:

ok then.:heart:

LOL, as long as you know I neva said that he was being followed, all's good.

:angel2:
fran

[jumpstreet]

Doesn't LE risk their prime suspect fleeing if they don't name them as a POI or suspect?

It's a reasonable question. In general, I'm not sure how much that risk changes though even if they do name a POI or suspect. Unless you've been charged with a crime, presumably, you're free to roam? [ Sure LE can ask/request you to "hang tight", (and they may very well have in this case, with BC responding in kind) but unless they arrest you, I don't think it can be enforced (even if they name you as a suspect/POI) ]

I think one of the reasons an arrest can come before an indictment is in cases where flight-risk is considered significant (with another driver being considered a risk to others/society).

[ and even then, LE would certainly want to have significant enough evidence to make that arrest hold through to indictment and not just be temporary ]

So, as I understand it, even if you're a suspect/POI/none-of-the-above, you're free to go/do/be as you please (which makes sense).

Not to say LE isn't keep an eye on you in all of these cases, and hopefully a close eye (in the Laurean case (in NC) he was surely a POI (even if not named), and no doubt they were keeping an eye on him, but he managed get to Mexico before ultimately being tracked down).

Certainly if you're an (unnamed) POI, and you go on the lam, I don't think it helps the "optics". :)

[momto3kids]

Well put.:clap:
Thank You Anderson. The more I hear of poor Brad and how he couldn't handle the service and the attention...BULL!

IMO he brought this on himself and no one else did it to him. If he thinks the media is in his face now, he has no idea what it is going to be like when they come to take him to :behindbar

Those poor children...if he had a thread of decency in his body he would have put those girls feelings 1st and foremost putting his feelings 2nd. That's what parents do!! He should have sucked it up, gone to the service to show them it is OK to be sad.

How, just how can anyone tell a child your mom is ~dead~ and walk away. :mad:

His day is coming and not soon enough IMO

[Fairy1]

ok then.:heart:

LOL, as long as you know I neva said that he was being followed, all's good.

:angel2:
fran


I know you never said that! I was just speculating. If I had to guess, I would say NC was murdered somewhere in or around her own home. We ALL know where she was found. There is no reason really for the killer to return to the scene of the crime. With respect to Brad being that house ALONE, I think it's odd (and quite telling) if there is no one there to support him.....:blowkiss:

[raisincharlie]

I know you never said that! I was just speculating. If I had to guess, I would say NC was murdered somewhere in or around her own home. We ALL know where she was found. There is no reason really for the killer to return to the scene of the crime. With respect to Brad being that house ALONE, I think it's odd (and quite telling) if there is no one there to support him.....:blowkiss:

Last I heard, his Mum was there, but that was last week - don't know if she still is or not.

[momto3kids]

Last I heard, his Mum was there, but that was last week - don't know if she still is or not.

I don't know either, but someone appears to be scared of the dark with all the lights on.:eye::eye:

[raisincharlie]

I don't know either, but someone appears to be scared of the dark with all the lights on.:eye::eye:


Maybe the place is haunted by a ghost seeking justice - or there's a whole lot of painting going on - house needs to be on the market soon.

[jilly]

Sorry, he wasn't a POI.

MPD said 'Scott has not been cleared' or something like that. They NEVER said he was a 'suspect' or POI.

fran

That's right Fran - I believe they said he hadn't been ruled out as a suspect.
Seems to me I read or heard someone from LE recently say that they don't use POI, that POI was a media term. Can't remember exactly.

[Fairy1]

It's a reasonable question. In general, I'm not sure how much that risk changes though even if they do name a POI or suspect. Unless you've been charged with a crime, presumably, you're free to roam? [ Sure LE can ask/request you to "hang tight", (and they may very well have in this case, with BC responding in kind) but unless they arrest you, I don't think it can be enforced (even if they name you as a suspect/POI) ]

I think one of the reasons an arrest can come before an indictment is in cases where flight-risk is considered significant (with another driver being considered a risk to others/society).

[ and even then, LE would certainly want to have significant enough evidence to make that arrest hold through to indictment and not just be temporary ]

So, as I understand it, even if you're a suspect/POI/none-of-the-above, you're free to go/do/be as you please (which makes sense).

Not to say LE isn't keep an eye on you in all of these cases, and hopefully a close eye (in the Laurean case (in NC) he was surely a POI (even if not named), and no doubt they were keeping an eye on him, but he managed get to Mexico before ultimately being tracked down).

Certainly if you're an (unnamed) POI, and you go on the lam, I don't think it helps the "optics". :)

I wonder if his status as a Canadian on a work visa has something to do with this? It's not your average "not named as a POI" POI. Perhaps due to his status, he's not free to come and go as he pleases?

[jumpstreet]

I totally understand what you are saying BUT this will be different than any case than I can ever think of.

Regarding why this case is different from others (ie, so much circumstantial, and not even naming one POI), I think it's a fair question.

Agree, it seems there's a whole lot more examples of cases where with even (seemingly) less CE, POI/suspects are named. Maybe it's case-by-case like I said though: IF LE thinks naming you may 'force your hand', or force others around you to make a move, then it's done. If not, then they keep it close to the vest.

LE does have the PR aspect of it, and as mentioned, that can be a factor (though presumably secondary to getting justice).

Here's a thought: LE has made the statement that it isn't a random crime, and they're making great progress. These are seemingly is in contradiction with not naming any suspects or POIs.

The thing is, in this Cary neighborhood, given the circumstances, time-of-day, etc, it is fairly easy for most folks to reasonably accept that it really isn't likely to be a random crime (sure, it's possible, but not likely). Therefore, LE can "get away with" making these seemingly contradictory statements (for now), and not risk (overwhelming) fear of public outcry/panic.

Certainly, if it was in a different neighborhood perhaps, and/or different circumstances, and/or if there were suddenly a string of similar crimes like this in the same vicinity, then LE would have a much tougher PR situation on their hand to continue making the statements ("no named suspects/POIs", "not random", "making great progress")

What makes this one unique is the circumstances are such that LE can (for now) "get away" with making these statements (thus far) without a massive public outcry/panic, thereby allowing them to keepthe cards closer to the vest (for the time being).

Is that plausible?

[Fairy1]

Maybe the place by a ghost seeking justice - or there's a whole lot of painting going on - house needs to be on the market soon.


:clap::clap::clap::eek::clap::clap::clap:

[jilly]

No, but he owed it to Nancy the woman he claims to have loved, and wanted the marriage to work with.

Reread BC's affidavit 194 & 195. He spent the morning with the girls before the service on Saturday and told Bella what happened to her mom just before the service.

If BC was anything of a man and not a mouse, he would have sucked it up for those girls he claims he loves and gotten thru it with them. What is a parent for? To be there in time of need. HE WASN'T THERE when they needed him!:mad:

How HORRIBLE to tell you children mommy is dead then walk away from them.
It is absolutely disgusting IMO

Post of the Day Mom!:clap::clap:

[raisincharlie]

:clap::clap::clap::eek::clap::clap::clap:

Totally messed that up didn't I - haunted by - but I see you filled in the blank. :clap::clap:


It is getting late...:crazy:

[Fairy1]

Totally messed that up didn't I - haunted by - but I see you filled in the blank. :clap::clap:


It is getting late...:crazy:

I believe it was you who, earlier today, asked everyone to post their "red flags" in this case. Here are mine:

Marriage appears to be completely deteriorated and even hostile.

LE stated -IMMEDIATELY - that they believe this was an isolated incident and NOT a random act of violence.

That's all. Until the autopsy report is in, I need nothing more to form my opinion. :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

Regarding why this case is different from others (ie, so much circumstantial, and not even naming one POI), I think it's a fair question.

Agree, it seems there's a whole lot more examples of cases where with even (seemingly) less CE, POI/suspects are named. Maybe it's case-by-case like I said though: IF LE thinks naming you may 'force your hand', or force others around you to make a move, then it's done. If not, then they keep it close to the vest.

LE does have the PR aspect of it, and as mentioned, that can be a factor (though presumably secondary to getting justice).

Here's a thought: LE has made the statement that it isn't a random crime, and they're making great progress. These are seemingly is in contradiction with not naming any suspects or POIs.

The thing is, in this Cary neighborhood, given the circumstances, time-of-day, etc, it is fairly easy for most folks to reasonably accept that it really isn't likely to be a random crime (sure, it's possible, but not likely). Therefore, LE can "get away with" making these seemingly contradictory statements (for now), and not risk (overwhelming) fear of public outcry/panic.

Certainly, if it was in a different neighborhood perhaps, and/or different circumstances, and/or if there were suddenly a string of similar crimes like this in the same vicinity, then LE would have a much tougher PR situation on their hand to continue making the statements ("no named suspects/POIs", "not random", "making great progress")

What makes this one unique is the circumstances are such that LE can (for now) "get away" with making these statements (thus far) without a massive public outcry/panic, thereby allowing them to keepthe cards closer to the vest (for the time being).

Is that plausible?


The residents of Enchanted Oaks heard this same exact story - 20 months ago. Nice neighborhood, low to no crime etc. LE isn't trying to get away with anything. They are saying what they believe to be true, anything less is pure negligence. There is no contradiction in saying non random and not naming a suspect to the public as long as LE has one in mind - once that label goes on the whole game changes.

[jumpstreet]

I wonder if his status as a Canadian on a work visa has something to do with this? It's not your average "not named as a POI" POI. Perhaps due to his status, he's not free to come and go as he pleases?

I would tend to doubt the work-visa situation results in any short-term travel limitations.
As a Canadian citizen, he's surely free to travel back to Canada, and then any other places in the world where Canadians are free to travel (still quite welcome in most countries I think :) ]

The work-visa situation is US regulation that says non-citizens can't just come in and work forever in the US (presumably displacing a US job) without the special government approvals (escalating from visa/greencard/citizenship) (which take time, company sponsorship, etc). I'm not aware that being in this process limits your ability to travel in any way in the meantime.

If you don't get sponsored/approved (at least to greencard status) then ultimately, you have to return to your home country (or risk deportation), but I think that's the worst that comes of it.

Disclaimer: Not nearly as well versed as others might be on this, but the above my general understanding.

[momto3kids]

Maybe the place is haunted by a ghost seeking justice - or there's a whole lot of painting going on - house needs to be on the market soon.

NoNo RC....remember the house was going on the market because NC & BC were going to seperate. Now Nancy is dead so he doesn't have to sell. He can have it all to himself.:furious:

[jumpstreet]

The residents of Enchanted Oaks heard this same exact story - 20 months ago. Nice neighborhood, low to no crime etc. LE isn't trying to get away with anything. They are saying what they believe to be true, anything less is pure negligence. There is no contradiction in saying non random and not naming a suspect to the public as long as LE has one in mind - once that label goes on the whole game changes.

Good point. Yeah, didn't mean to imply LE was trying to be deceptive or anything, and agree they're telling it like it is to the extent they can (weighing keeping the public "calm/assured", while not disclosing anything that would impede their own investigation)

My assumption is that the external pressure on them (for reasons ranging from PR/political/public-calming/other) to name any KNOWN POI's can vary from case-to-case.

In the case of NC, for now, the external pressure to name a POI is (relatively) low, so they have little (no) incentive to name any known POIs. [ In general, most reasonable folks in the public seem to accept (on face value) their statement that the crime isn't random ] [ Perhaps similarly in Enchanted Oaks - though I thought in that case they did fairly quickly name the husband as a "POI" ].

If the circumstances/neighborhood/frequency are different, then the pressure to name their known POIs increases, and perhaps they end up doing so (weighing that against the desire to not "tip their hand" any more than they want to).

For example, if there were a rash of similar crimes all in a short timeframe, and all close together, and LE kept saying they weren't random, they were making good progress, and yet they weren't "naming" any POI's, (all of which would be true, as they may have POI's, just didn't want to name them), the public would probably start to get a little more... well... anxious, and LE may opt to name a POI so as to dispel fears. For now, that doesn't seem necessary, and therefore no one has been named.

All this is just my speculation/response to Roy23's query as to why in some (seemingly many) cases, LE (relatively) quickly announces a POI, and in other cases they don't (or never do). Outside the above thoughts, (and my earlier thought that sometimes naming someone as a POI might "force some movement" or put some pressure on the POI), why would LE ever name someone as a POI/suspect prior to arrest?

[Fairy1]

NoNo RC....remember the house was going on the market because NC & BC were going to seperate. Now Nancy is dead so he doesn't have to sell. He can have it all to himself.:furious:

And apparently does have it all to himself! If the reports of his attempted/threatened suicides are true, I fear that is how this may end...

On another note, I posted my "red flags" earlier. I left out the fact that BC's childrent were removed from his care almost immediately. That is so uncommon...

[CyberPro]

Does anyone remember when a pregnant Cary woman was murdered by her husband when he pushed her over a bridge onto a Cary greenway? I don't even remember the decade it happened in, but I'm thinking the 1990's. There's a Cary murder that I bet has gone forgotten.

NCNative,

Nope, I recall that case very well... I should, it practically happened in my back yard. I HAD nearly forgotten about it, or at least had not thought of it in a while. It was in the 90's, and at the time I was living in my house that backed up against Cary Parkway near the intersection with Harrison. Crow's flight distance between my house and the bridge where this one happened could not have been 300 yards.

In this case, the husband said he was out walking with his wife, and a car came along as they were crossing the bridge, and knocked him into the concrete railing, but knocked her off the bridge. It was New Years night or New Years Day, IIRC. I KNOW it was VERY FOGGY that night, I remember that very well, one of the most dense fogs I have ever seen. The story did not ring true to me at the time, and as it turned out, he pushed or threw his wife over the bridge, she fell about 30 feet and landed on her feet! Her ankles and other bones were broken, and he apparently attacked her with a rock at the bottom of the greenway. IIRC, he was from Canada too, and had served in the Canadian Army, I believe he took a plea bargin, because I never heard about his trial, although I do know he was arrested.

CyberPro

[ncnative]

If Brad is the murderer, he is probably scared to stay in that house. I think that show where they look for ghosts or whatever in houses, should come to the Cooper's house.

Another thing: the home in Enchanted Oaks where Michelle Young was murdered is now owned by someone else. I saw a couple's name when I did the search. Do you think you could live in a home when you know someone has been murdered in the home? I could NOT.

Do realtors/previous owners have to disclose that information? I would not want to buy the Cooper's home, no matter what.

And last of all, I still think that if Brad is the murderer, he would take the cowardly way out if/when caught and commit suicide if he didn't pull a Scott Peterson and try to run away, which is really stupid. But it's been done before.

[momto3kids]

And apparently does have it all to himself! If the reports of his attempted/threatened suicides are true, I fear that is how this may end...

On another note, I posted my "red flags" earlier. I left out the fact that BC's childrent were removed from his care almost immediately. That is so uncommon...


There are so many red flags with BC and this situation, that once you sit back and look at them it is overwhelming, isn't it?

As bad as I hate to say it, if he goes thru with his threats of the past, he brought this on himself. NC wanted to live and she wasn't given that opportunity IMO. If this is his easy way out so be it.

[CyberPro]

And Fran, IIRC they wanted to wait to make the arrest on Peterson until the DNA on the bodies came back but with Scott bleaching his hair and his newly grown goatee, and his weird behavior after the bodies washed ashore they made the arrest in anticipation of him leaving the country. So even in that case, they wanted to wait for the DNA but couldn't.

(Bolding Above is Mine)

Scott did NOT bleach his hair. Don't you remember, he just fell into a pool at a friend's house and the chlorine in the pool bleached it! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yep, that sure must have been a CLEAN pool... sounds like they filled it with Ty-D-Bowl.

CyberPro

[ncnative]

Oh yes, CyberPro, I remember the fog when that pregnant woman was killed too. You were very close to all of it. I remember reading all the details in the Cary News. I don't remember his being Canadian. I wish someone who is good at researching could bring that news article up. It told all about how she was pregnant but that wasn't really what he or maybe both of them (?) wanted. The details have faded.

There was yet another woman killed by her husband in a home in Cary. All I remember is something about her being upstairs. Gosh darn this simple brain tonight. I'd say that was probably in the 1990s too. I do remember that the husband called the police and even met them when they came. Am I right on this one?

I just can't imagine killing a spouse that wasn't putting you in danger. People are nuts. Now if I was married to a nutjob and he was threatening my safety and I couldn't get away, I might take care of things for survival. But even then I'd be scared to death.

[ncnative]

OK. The murdered woman on the Cary greenway was 4 mos. pregnant, 1995, Karen Boychuk. That's what I found. I'm going to research this stuff.

Cary isn't as innocent as it seems. We old timers remember the bad things.

If only they would hurry up and solve this murder of Nancy Cooper. It's has more twists and turns than the others.(Edited to correct the date).

[Fairy1]

Oh yes, CyberPro, I remember the fog when that pregnant woman was killed too. You were very close to all of it. I remember reading all the details in the Cary News. I don't remember his being Canadian. I wish someone who is good at researching could bring that news article up. It told all about how she was pregnant but that wasn't really what he or maybe both of them (?) wanted. The details have faded.

There was yet another woman killed by her husband in a home in Cary. All I remember is something about her being upstairs. Gosh darn this simple brain tonight. I'd say that was probably in the 1990s too. I do remember that the husband called the police and even met them when they came. Am I right on this one?

I just can't imagine killing a spouse that wasn't putting you in danger. People are nuts. Now if I was married to a nutjob and he was threatening my safety and I couldn't get away, I might take care of things for survival. But even then I'd be scared to death.

Yes - Look it up!!!! And while you're at it, look at Stephen and Tara Grant's case. I've mentioned it before and, while I don't want to go O/T here, I do believe there are many similarities. :crazy::crazy::crazy:

[Roy23]

Good point. Yeah, didn't mean to imply LE was trying to be deceptive or anything, and agree they're telling it like it is to the extent they can (weighing keeping the public "calm/assured", while not disclosing anything that would impede their own investigation)

My assumption is that the external pressure on them (for reasons ranging from PR/political/public-calming/other) to name any KNOWN POI's can vary from case-to-case.

In the case of NC, for now, the external pressure to name a POI is (relatively) low, so they have little (no) incentive to name any known POIs. [ In general, most reasonable folks in the public seem to accept (on face value) their statement that the crime isn't random ] [ Perhaps similarly in Enchanted Oaks - though I thought in that case they did fairly quickly name the husband as a "POI" ].

If the circumstances/neighborhood/frequency are different, then the pressure to name their known POIs increases, and perhaps they end up doing so (weighing that against the desire to not "tip their hand" any more than they want to).

For example, if there were a rash of similar crimes all in a short timeframe, and all close together, and LE kept saying they weren't random, they were making good progress, and yet they weren't "naming" any POI's, (all of which would be true, as they may have POI's, just didn't want to name them), the public would probably start to get a little more... well... anxious, and LE may opt to name a POI so as to dispel fears. For now, that doesn't seem necessary, and therefore no one has been named.

All this is just my speculation/response to Roy23's query as to why in some (seemingly many) cases, LE (relatively) quickly announces a POI, and in other cases they don't (or never do). Outside the above thoughts, (and my earlier thought that sometimes naming someone as a POI might "force some movement" or put some pressure on the POI), why would LE ever name someone as a POI/suspect prior to arrest?

Maybe you and RC know something about Cary that I don't. I just have never seen another case like this. I am under the impression that BC can go and do whatever he likes since he has not been named an POI or suspect. That is the way I understand it. I know BC has already lawyered up and LE has issued search warrants pertaining to him but he has legal rights to do as he pleases. And LE, the Coroner's office still has released nothing. He can walk and force their hand.

[FlowerChild]

Thank You Anderson. The more I hear of poor Brad and how he couldn't handle the service and the attention...BULL!

IMO he brought this on himself and no one else did it to him. If he thinks the media is in his face now, he has no idea what it is going to be like when they come to take him to :behindbar

Those poor children...if he had a thread of decency in his body he would have put those girls feelings 1st and foremost putting his feelings 2nd. That's what parents do!! He should have sucked it up, gone to the service to show them it is OK to be sad.

How, just how can anyone tell a child your mom is ~dead~ and walk away. :mad:

His day is coming and not soon enough IMO

Do we know if Brad was welcome at the memorial? Perhaps Nancy's family asked Brad to stay away? The memorials seemed to be set up by Nancy's family and Nancy's friends. I doubt Brad would have been welcome at EITHER and I have no doubt it fell to someone involved to tell Brad he was not welcome to attend. Since both Nancy's closest friends and Nancy's family have made no secret about stating they believe Brad to be guilty of murdering Nancy I cannot imagine them asking (or even allowing) Brad to attend any memorial they organized. And Brad attending could have ended in a horrid public confrontation or worse and I doubt THAT would have been something anyone wanted - especially Nancy's family with the girls in attendance.

I cannot see THIS as a "sign" of anything. We do not know the details and have no way of knowing if Brad stayed away by his own choice, or at the request of someone else. Other things are far more telling, IMO.

My Opinion

[LillyRush]

Do we know if Brad was welcome at the memorial? Perhaps Nancy's family asked Brad to stay away? The memorials seemed to be set up by Nancy's family and Nancy's friends. I doubt Brad would have been welcome at EITHER and I have no doubt it fell to someone involved to tell Brad he was not welcome to attend. Since both Nancy's closest friends and Nancy's family have made no secret about stating they believe Brad to be guilty of murdering Nancy I cannot imagine them asking (or even allowing) Brad to attend any memorial they organized. And Brad attending could have ended in a horrid public confrontation or worse and I doubt THAT would have been something anyone wanted - especially Nancy's family with the girls in attendance.

I cannot see THIS as a "sign" of anything. We do not know the details and have no way of knowing if Brad stayed away by his own choice, or at the request of someone else. Other things are far more telling, IMO.

My Opinion

I agree. I'm highly suspicious of Brad myself. But, considering it was made clear right away that her family and friends suspected him, I think him not attending the memorial service speaks only to the fact that they did not want him there. Of course, he could have just showed up, though things (as you explained) could have easily gotten out of hand.

Overall, I definitely think it's one of those damned if you or damned if you don't things that comes up in the beginning of these types of investigations. People have said the same thing about Neil Entwistle, for example. But, really, would her family have wanted him there? It's the same situation.

[MoonFlwr]

No, but he owed it to Nancy the woman he claims to have loved, and wanted the marriage to work with.

Reread BC's affidavit 194 & 195. He spent the morning with the girls before the service on Saturday and told Bella what happened to her mom just before the service.

If BC was anything of a man and not a mouse, he would have sucked it up for those girls he claims he loves and gotten thru it with them. What is a parent for? To be there in time of need. HE WASN'T THERE when they needed him!:mad:

How HORRIBLE to tell you children mommy is dead then walk away from them.
It is absolutely disgusting IMO

While I agree that the timing may have been weird....Brad telling the girls just before the service and then not attending, I still think we may be assuming too much about why Brad didn't go.

As has been brought up before, there could be several reasons why he didn't attend. It seems strange to take as fact the idea that he chose not to go out of lack of respect/cowardliness, when we have no evidence of that.

[MoonFlwr]

i agree. I'm highly suspicious of brad myself. But, considering it was made clear right away that her family and friends suspected him, i think him not attending the memorial service speaks only to the fact that they did not want him there. Of course, he could have just showed up, though things (as you explained) could have easily gotten out of hand.

Overall, i definitely think it's one of those damned if you or damned if you don't things that comes up in the beginning of these types of investigations. People have said the same thing about neil entwistle, for example. But, really, would her family have wanted him there? It's the same situation.

Makes a lotta sense! :)

[Just the Fax]

Make no mistake, they have at least one POI. If nothing else, as evidenced by the warrant of the workplace. I assert they don't bother to search one's office (nor get judge to issue a warrant for same) without being very interested in you, or something about you.

The key is they (presumably intentionally) haven't [I]named a POI (as that requires them to divulge other pieces of information to the defense earlier than LE would prefer to). It may be frustrating to the public, and may appear as if there's little progress, but it doesn't mean that's reality.

It's semantics, and strategic: If LE thinks that publicly naming someone a POI will help them get to an arrest sooner (perhaps force someone to "slip up", get "nervous", or confess), then they'll name a POI/suspect.

If LE doesn't think naming a POI/suspect will help them get to an arrest sooner, then there's no incentive to name one. [ At least not in the short term, and even in the long term, it just becomes a PR problem ("LE's been working on this case for XX and they still don't have any leads/suspects!"), but the PR is still secondary to their desire to achieve justice (and rightly so IMO) ]

In this specific case, it seems fairly likely that a suspect/POI will be named/made-known at the same time they're being placed under arrest. Even then, they may not do it explicitly. [ Though, I'll also assert it can be inferred when being read your Miranda rights, that LE has a developed a profound interest in you :) ]

LE has POI(s), they just haven't (and likely) won't name them (does not imply a lack of progress [let's hope] :) ).

Red is not true.
I agree with your other comments though.

[jumpstreet]

he key is they (presumably intentionally) haven't named a POI (as that requires them to divulge other pieces of information to the defense earlier than LE would prefer to)

Red is not true.
I agree with your other comments though.

Thanks JTF - maybe I misunderstood this one. I thought I had read (here) that was the whole reason it had been stated that LE was careful to use the words "we haven't named a suspect/POI..." vs "we have no suspects/POIs".

[ Use of the latter had some implications I thought, and my recollection/understanding was it triggered something that might help the defense. Am I mis-remembering? ]

[Just the Fax]

Thanks JTF - maybe I misunderstood this one. I thought I had read (here) that was the whole reason it had been stated that LE was careful to use the words "we haven't named a suspect/POI..." vs "we have no suspects/POIs".

[ Use of the latter had some implications I thought, and my recollection/understanding was it triggered something that might help the defense. Am I mis-remembering? ]

The implication of 'naming' a POI/suspects is the terms are considered prejudicial and inflammatory. The use of the terms can also effect the eventual defendants right to a fair trial by having the potential jury pool assume he is likely guilty during the investigation time-line.
Like you said, the cops have no incentive to 'name' a POI or Suspect.
Of course, that does not mean they don't have one.

[Just the Fax]

The sealed search warrant order expires soon.
Unless the cops or DA asks the judge to reseal, we will see them Monday.

[Star12]

The implication of 'naming' a POI/suspects is the terms are considered prejudicial and inflammatory. The use of the terms can also effect the eventual defendants right to a fair trial by having the potential jury pool assume he is likely guilty during the investigation time-line.
Like you said, the cops have no incentive to 'name' a POI or Suspect.
Of course, that does not mean they don't have one.

JTF, you said this so well. I'm sharing your words with a friend who is not a WS member, but who is interested in this case. This is the main sticking point.

[carolinalady]

OK. The murdered woman on the Cary greenway was 4 mos. pregnant, 1995, Karen Boychuk. That's what I found. I'm going to research this stuff.

Cary isn't as innocent as it seems. We old timers remember the bad things.

If only they would hurry up and solve this murder of Nancy Cooper. It's has more twists and turns than the others.(Edited to correct the date).

And, Tharrington Smith was involved in that one, too.

Who was the school teacher strangled by her husband/boyfriend? Weren't they Canadian, too?

Found it: Heather Domenie/Ian Campbell

[jumpstreet]

Maybe you and RC know something about Cary that I don't. I just have never seen another case like this. I am under the impression that BC can go and do whatever he likes since he has not been named an POI or suspect. That is the way I understand it. I know BC has already lawyered up and LE has issued search warrants pertaining to him but he has legal rights to do as he pleases. And LE, the Coroner's office still has released nothing. He can walk and force their hand.

Agree he is surely (technically) free to leave/travel (even though police may have respectfully requested he stay close to home). Even naming him a suspect/POI probably wouldn't (technically) restrict his ability to travel I assume (though any informal request from LE may be made with more insistence).

Regarding why he hasn't been named a POI/suspect, I guess I'll summarize my impressions to it being related to one (or more) of the following 3 things :
- Would be inflammatory/prejudicial... may effect eventual defendant's right to fair trial (per JTF - thanks for the clarification)...
- LE is not receiving overwhelming external pressure to name a suspect/POI in this case (public/media aren't is a panic thinking this is random crime) {the case is somewhat unique in that regard - for now, the public is relatively willing to accept on "face value", that it isn't a random crime }
- BC may very well not be a suspect/POI, and the police don't want to tip their hand to their real suspect/POI. [ Though, IMO, this one is somewhat counter to the warrant of the workplace, it still certainly could be true, per Theory B ]

Given the above, despite likely having at least one suspect/POI in mind, LE has no incentive to name a suspect/POI, and I'd be surprised if they do so. [ In fact, I'm somewhat surprised they do so in as many other cases as they do. Perhaps we're on the start of a trend towards less "naming" until arrest time, in general ]

[jumpstreet]

The sealed search warrant order expires soon.
Unless the cops or DA asks the judge to reseal, we will see them Monday.

Do all 3 expire on the same day, or is this one just for the home (were they all sealed for "30 days from time they were submitted")?

If unsealed (unlikely, unless there's an arrest between now and then), what gets disclosed? (warrant, supporting affidavits, and inventory?)

[Just the Fax]

Do all 3 expire on the same day, or is this one just for the home (were they all sealed for "30 days from time they were submitted")?

If unsealed (unlikely, unless there's an arrest between now and then), what gets disclosed? (warrant, supporting affidavits, and inventory?)

It sounds like the home and Cisco office.
Once they are unsealed, we can read the PC affidavits and inventory.
I would guess the DA will ask that they be resealed, as not much has changed since the court battle that denied the unsealing

[RKAB]

I wonder if his status as a Canadian on a work visa has something to do with this? It's not your average "not named as a POI" POI. Perhaps due to his status, he's not free to come and go as he pleases?

With Brad having worked at Cisco in the US for as long as he has, and with them potentially covering the costs of some/all of his MBA, it's possible that he is working on getting his US citzenship. When you apply and go through the motions of getting citzenship, there is a period of time during the process(can be up to a year) that you can not return to Canada. He may be at this stage. Cisco has invested alot of money into him and he may be taking steps to remain in the US permanently. This may also be one of the reasons why the girls and a guardian need to come to him for visits as opposed to the less expensive route of him going to see them.

Might just be our local hometown gossip but it's my understanding that Terry (Brad's dad) has had to return to work at the college but that his mom has remained down south with him. Still trying to check with a friend who lives near them to see if she knows for sure.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks RKAB. :)

[carolinalady]

With Brad having worked at Cisco in the US for as long as he has, and with them potentially covering the costs of some/all of his MBA, it's possible that he is working on getting his US citzenship. When you apply and go through the motions of getting citzenship, there is a period of time during the process(can be up to a year) that you can not return to Canada. He may be at this stage. Cisco has invested alot of money into him and he may be taking steps to remain in the US permanently. This may also be one of the reasons why the girls and a guardian need to come to him for visits as opposed to the less expensive route of him going to see them.

Might just be our local hometown gossip but it's my understanding that Terry (Brad's dad) has had to return to work at the college but that his mom has remained down south with him. Still trying to check with a friend who lives near them to see if she knows for sure.

I do think I read somewhere that he was working on getting permanent residency status.

Edited to add: It was #7 of BC's affidavit.

[ncnative]

Ol' BC might be a permanent resident of NC if he is tried and that trial results in conviction.

Since I don't even play a lawyer on TV, please advise me: he'd be imprisoned in NC if found guilty, even though he's a Canadian citizen, correct? Suddenly I feel dumb. Very dumb.

[RaleighNC]

Is there a concern about him going to Canada since he's a Canadian citizen? remember aren't we still awaiting extradition of Caesar Laurean who fled to Mexico after (allegedly) killing his his pregnant girlfriend? Didn't he specifically go there because a) he had family there and b) they won't extradite unless they have a guarantee of no death penalty? Hasn't it been said they can tie up the extradition for YEARS?

Now, I know that Canada is not the same as Mexico, but.... it's possible that he is restricted from traveling there and that's why he's visiting with the girls via webcam and visits when they are brought to NC.

Jeepers, I hope this case breaks soon.

[raisincharlie]

Ol' BC might be a permanent resident of NC if he is tried and that trial results in conviction.

Since I don't even play a lawyer on TV, please advise me: he'd be imprisoned in NC if found guilty, even though he's a Canadian citizen, correct? Suddenly I feel dumb. Very dumb.

If tried and convicted he would be imprisoned in NC.

[CyberPro]

And, Tharrington Smith was involved in that one, too.

Who was the school teacher strangled by her husband/boyfriend? Weren't they Canadian, too?

Found it: Heather Domenie/Ian Campbell

Oh, Yes! I recall hearing about that happening now. I had forgotten about that one. The names jogged the memories.

I did not follow that case, in fact this Cooper case is the closest that I have followed a local case. I am not sure what about this one piques my interest, other than it was mentioned that she went running in Regency, and I live very close to Regency.

CyberPro

[RKAB]

Now, I know that Canada is not the same as Mexico, but.... it's possible that he is restricted from traveling there and that's why he's visiting with the girls via webcam and visits when they are brought to NC.


I don't think that they can restrict his travel unless he is named as a POI/suspect. At that point, LE would have him surrender his passport. He may be receiving advice from his lawyers or LE that it's in his best interest NOT to travel to Canada but I don't think they can stop him.

Canada does have some bleeding heart agencies that would work to keep him from being extradited to a death penalty state if it came to that. Should he be charged, found guilty and sentenced to the death penalty, these agencies will also work hard to try and get him OUT of a death penalty state and back to Canada or have his sentence commuted to life. They have not been terribly successful in a recent case though.

[CyberPro]

Ol' BC might be a permanent resident of NC if he is tried and that trial results in conviction.


:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: NCNATIVE,

You might have discovered a shortcut to permanant resident status! Cuts through all the red tape that the government has.

CyberPro

[Topsail Girl]

I don't think that they can restrict his travel unless he is named as a POI/suspect. At that point, LE would have him surrender his passport. He may be receiving advice from his lawyers or LE that it's in his best interest NOT to travel to Canada but I don't think they can stop him.

Canada does have some bleeding heart agencies that would work to keep him from being extradited to a death penalty state if it came to that. Should he be charged, found guilty and sentenced to the death penalty, these agencies will also work hard to try and get him OUT of a death penalty state and back to Canada or have his sentence commuted to life. They have not been terribly successful in a recent case though.

Interesting info RKAB, I can't help but wonder why in the world Canada would WANT a murdering citizen back in their country. Why not let him rot on death row in the States like Entwistle???

[RKAB]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: NCNATIVE,

You might have discovered a shortcut to permanant resident status! Cuts through all the red tape that the government has.

CyberPro

:rolling:

[RKAB]

Interesting info RKAB, I can't help but wonder why in the world Canada would WANT a murdering citizen back in their country. Why not let him rot on death row in the States like Entwistle???

*I* wouldn't want him back but there's always someone who thinks the death penalty is cruel punishment. :boohoo:

I, personally, am pro-death penalty. I also think that if you commit a crime in another country, you should be subject to their laws and your home country keep out of it.

[fran]

Is there a concern about him going to Canada since he's a Canadian citizen? remember aren't we still awaiting extradition of Caesar Laurean who fled to Mexico after (allegedly) killing his his pregnant girlfriend? Didn't he specifically go there because a) he had family there and b) they won't extradite unless they have a guarantee of no death penalty? Hasn't it been said they can tie up the extradition for YEARS?

Now, I know that Canada is not the same as Mexico, but.... it's possible that he is restricted from traveling there and that's why he's visiting with the girls via webcam and visits when they are brought to NC.

Jeepers, I hope this case breaks soon.

An infamous serial killer, Charles Ng, citizen of Hong Hong, but resident of the U.S., fled to Canada after he and his accomplice's crimes were uncovered. While his accomplice committed suicide shortly after being arrested, Ng had been arrested in Canada for another crime. After serving 4 years or so for his crimes in Canada, it took another 6 years for the U.S. to finally extradict him for trial.

After the costliest trial in U.S. history, Ng was sentenced to death row and presently awaits execution in San Quentin.

So, yes, he can be deported to the U.S. IF he were to run to Canada, but I'm not sure IF because he's a Canadian citizen, they would allow the DP to be imposed. I would imagine it could possibly be part of an extradition agreement, NO dp IF found guilty.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

*I* wouldn't want him back but there's always someone who thinks the death penalty is cruel punishment. :boohoo:

I, personally, am pro-death penalty. I also think that if you commit a crime in another country, you should be subject to their laws and your home country keep out of it.

Oh, we have those here too, people who think the dp is cruel and unusual punishment.:boohoo:

What I don't get is, the crime itself is cruel and unusual to the victim and their family, so why not repay them in kind?:bang:

I believe it's called KARMA! and it's a bit**.:rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[EntreNous]

(Bolding Above is Mine)

Scott did NOT bleach his hair. Don't you remember, he just fell into a pool at a friend's house and the chlorine in the pool bleached it! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yep, that sure must have been a CLEAN pool... sounds like they filled it with Ty-D-Bowl.

CyberPro

Yeah, I remember him saying that.:crazy: As a hair stylist myself I can say with 100% confidence that he did indeed bleach his hair. That was bleach with at least 30 vol. developer which is why it was completely brassy in tone, the volume was too strong and it "pulled" too fast, leaving it that bright electric orange color. No pool water can do that to "virgin" hair or otherwise in my book.

I've always wondered what Laci's sister thought about that remark since she too is a hairstylist. Totally ridiculous.

[jilly]

If tried and convicted he would be imprisoned in NC.

This could be interesting - if this goes on like the Young case and he goes on with his life and becomes a US citizen - if and when he's subsequently charged, he'd be facing the DP. Bit of a dilemma for him, I would think.

[jilly]

Interesting info RKAB, I can't help but wonder why in the world Canada would WANT a murdering citizen back in their country. Why not let him rot on death row in the States like Entwistle???

Entwistle got LWOP. I don't believe Mass has the DP.

[Topsail Girl]

Entwistle got LWOP. I don't believe Mass has the DP.

You're correct Jilly, Mass does not have the death penalty. I was just trying to imply that State laws applied and not English law. Dummy me picked the first case that came to mind and that state doesn't even have the death penalty. I think it's because Entwistle is the last case I kept up with start to finish. :crazy: :crazy:

ETA I love your avatar!!! What a cutie!!!

[raisincharlie]

This could be interesting - if this goes on like the Young case and he goes on with his life and becomes a US citizen - if and when he's subsequently charged, he'd be facing the DP. Bit of a dilemma for him, I would think.

Jilly

For some reason, maybe just wishful thinking, I do not believe this will drag on like the Young case. Perhaps it is perception but in this case it "appears" that the DA has taken a much more active roll - i.e. Colon Willoughby sitting in the judge's kitchen at 2:30 am verbally requesting a seal be placed on a warrant not yet issued. I think perhaps the DA has learned a few "how not to's" since the Young case.

Seems WCSO took the lead in the Young case and the DA just sat back waiting - that does not appear to be the case here and I base that on having watched the hearing regarding the unsealing of the warrants.

I don't see much right now to figure if this will become a DP case or not. If Brad turns out to be tried for this - one would think, being as how many think he is brilliant, he would have figured a way to make sure he wasn't the last to report seeing her. He would have figured a way to have her whereabouts confirmed after 7 am, and if you think about it, this might not have been hard to do. Given the few facts we do have - this just seems to me to be, if planned, not planned well at all, but more likely spur of the moment.

But then you know me - I don't want to think someone plotted to murder their wife. :)

[Roy23]

I don't think that they can restrict his travel unless he is named as a POI/suspect. At that point, LE would have him surrender his passport. He may be receiving advice from his lawyers or LE that it's in his best interest NOT to travel to Canada but I don't think they can stop him.

Canada does have some bleeding heart agencies that would work to keep him from being extradited to a death penalty state if it came to that. Should he be charged, found guilty and sentenced to the death penalty, these agencies will also work hard to try and get him OUT of a death penalty state and back to Canada or have his sentence commuted to life. They have not been terribly successful in a recent case though.


Okay, I have researched the term "Person of interest". Opinion vary from LE quite a bit depending on the circumstances. I found that I am not 100% right or wrong. Back to Scott Peterson for a moment. He was named a "POI" within 3 weeks of his wife's disappearance. You can check it Fran. There was still a lot of clammoring at the time to name him a "Suspect". That did not happen until late in the game. Media was real intense here.

Back to "POI's. Brad does have every legal right to do and go whereever he wants. But because he has not been named a "POI" that could be for numerous reason, some of which have been stated by some smart sleuthers. Two of the biggest things they consider is:

1. Danger to the public
2. Media scrutiny

The police have really put themselves on the line by stating that this was not a random crime and the public is safe. That really does seem to imply that a crazy killer is not on the loose and that Brad or someone else who hated Nancy is in the crosshairs here. Another muder and LE has some serious explaining to do.

So in a nutshell, they are putting their p's and q's together. They do not want to be accused of not looking at all the possibilities and Brad(or whomever) get off due to his attorney scrutinizing LE's objectivity in its investigation. RC made a great point early on about Brad's choice of Lawyer. I expect this to be a case that was premeditated and planned well. But at the end of the day, somebody real close to Nancy will be the suspect.

[ncnative]

Trivia report: had to ride by BCooper's home about 20 min. ago. His white BMW was in the driveway. It must be really dark inside with all the blinds closed.

Colon Willoughby should have become a proctologist.

[momto3kids]

Trivia report: had to ride by BCooper's home about 20 min. ago. His white BMW was in the driveway. It must be really dark inside with all the blinds closed.

Colon Willoughby should have become a proctologist.

I know he paid his light bill for sure. Last night he had every light on downstairs including the front porch.

Is his BMW still way back from the garage doors and not pulled right up to them? It gave me the impression last night he had been cleaning the garage out like a while back when he was in there and the BMW was about 15' back.

He has now shut the blind on his staircase. It was pulled up about 1', but not any more. It is now shut entirely also.

[Bob&Bob]

I know he paid his light bill for sure. Last night he had every light on downstairs including the front porch.

Is his BMW still way back from the garage doors and not pulled right up to them? It gave me the impression last night he had been cleaning the garage out like a while back when he was in there and the BMW was about 15' back.

He has now shut the blind on his staircase. It was pulled up about 1', but not any more. It is now shut entirely also.


How wide are the blinds?

[jilly]

You're correct Jilly, Mass does not have the death penalty. I was just trying to imply that State laws applied and not English law. Dummy me picked the first case that came to mind and that state doesn't even have the death penalty. I think it's because Entwistle is the last case I kept up with start to finish. :crazy: :crazy:

ETA I love your avatar!!! What a cutie!!!

That's one guy that should be on Death R