Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #17

[Trino]

Re: road blocks

It seems strange to put up a road block weeks after the killings. Someone hiding out most likely would certainly be out of the area by now.

Re: weapons

It appears the focus is now on eliminateing locals who might have used someone else's gun w/o them knowing about it. I wonder what LE will do about those who are refusing testing, based on Constitutional rights. Wouldn't OSBI need to show probable cause before getting a search warrant for a weapon from someone who is refusing?

[cloudajo]

I know we've talked about the Keloughs, Southerns, Dillon Harris (Kelough), etc. in that area and that the Chanceys also have a farm/ranch with a lot of land. Do the Chanceys have teens in the family?

And teens sometimes hanging out at the bridge, and the surrounding land in that area - lots of woods, farmland, paths.

And there is also the early rumor that 2 kids in their late teens riding a 4 wheeler in the area may have done it.

I wonder what kind of relationship (if any) the Plackers/Taylor had with any of the teens in the surrounding area. Did they interact at all? Was it friendly?

Thoughts on this?

[cloudajo]

Re: road blocks

It seems strange to put up a road block weeks after the killings. Someone hiding out most likely would certainly be out of the area by now.

Re: weapons

It appears the focus is now on eliminateing locals who might have used someone else's gun w/o them knowing about it. I wonder what LE will do about those who are refusing testing, based on Constitutional rights. Wouldn't OSBI need to show probable cause before getting a search warrant for a weapon from someone who is refusing?

Trino, I wonder too. Maybe next they would send an officer over to the person's home to talk to them as a follow up and see what the demeanor is or if something comes out of that. Maybe if they have an idea of who it is they are keeping watch to see if the person will do something to slip up.

[Just Nose'n around]

I know we've talked about the Keloughs, Southerns, Dillon Harris (Kelough), etc. in that area and that the Chanceys also have a farm/ranch with a lot of land. Do the Chanceys have teens in the family?

And teens sometimes hanging out at the bridge, and the surrounding land in that area - lots of woods, farmland, paths.

And there is also the early rumor that 2 kids in their late teens riding a 4 wheeler in the area may have done it.

I wonder what kind of relationship (if any) the Plackers/Taylor had with any of the teens in the surrounding area. Did they interact at all? Was it friendly?

Thoughts on this?

I am not sure the age of the Chancey's grandchildren. I must say though, not that you were implying anything about the Chancey's but just to clear things up with them, they are very upstanding people. Not saying they are well-to-do, just that they have ranched in that area for years. I have known of them my whole life and they are all very good people. DD has an auction company and is very well known with the area ranchers/farmers. Anyway, again, not saying anyone was questioning the family but I wanted to put this out there. Thanks

[frogjustfrog]

FC, TG, Frog, anyone else.

I saw the aerial image FC did in the maps/photos thread. Not sure if there are other map pics anyone has already?

I created two map pics both using Mapquest: One is a street view with labels depicting Placker house, Patterson house, crime scene, bridge, Chancey's Bad Creek Farm, the area I believe the Keloughs/Southerns live (but not clear on that and need help). The second is the same but using the aerial image.

Can anyone help me to see if I have these locations correct and then posting them since I can't upload directly from my PC?

TIA.

I would have to see the maps to know if I could be of any help. I think immediate locals would be of better help. Can you post your maps in the map thread?

[YellowDog]

Maybe the reason they had roadblocks at both ends was to see how long people entering the area stayed and to make sure they left via one end or the other. I don't think people wearing suits would be part of a road crew. I would be more inclined to think it was FBI agents who usually do wear suits or upper echelon OSBI agents. I don't think it was the preacher.

I think they are hot on the trail of someone they suspect did these killings. I'm assuming they had two-way radios so they could be in contact with the group working the other end of the road.

I, for one, really appreciate the information supplied to us by the locals and put a lot of credence in it.

[GetSmart]

Also the fact that if you are going to someones place to score drugs you do not stay that long or if you go somewhere to attend maintenance on a grow house you do not stay that long. JMO

[YellowDog]

Also the fact that if you are going to someones place to score drugs you do not stay that long or if you go somewhere to attend maintenance on a grow house you do not stay that long. JMO

If someone is dealing drugs in that area, I'll bet they are definitely suffering a business setback now.

[tapu]

I would bet that LE has been turning the drug world upside down in investigating this.

[YellowDog]

No kidding!

[GetSmart]

Yeah Oh to be the fly on the wall !!
But really that is one reason because apparently they have had a stake out going & the traffic did not add up.

[frogjustfrog]

I may not be here to post tonight, so ahead of time, I want to thank you friends, for noticing my day. It made it special. Thank you so much!
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[GetSmart]

I am just seeing what is going on.. Our thread has been quiet & I was wondering if there was any news. :confused:

[KeyboardPlayer]

Hi GS, I wish I could say there was any news (that I'm aware of anyway). I have close to a dozen alerts on this case set to ping my blackberry when anything happens, and it too has been quiet. My guess is that the OSBI is still investigating the results of the firearm tests, not to mention doing something about those who didn't voluntarily submit their guns for testing (not sure what they can do though, if anything, without a warrant). Very frustrating.

Cheers!

[YellowDog]

I am starting to lose my optimism. I keep expecting a break in this case.

[GetSmart]

I know I keep waiting myself praying every day we will have some news. I just checked on the casey Anthony thread 586 viewing wow.. thats alot of people.

I will stay true to our girls & come here everyday for them & not give up hope.

[KeyboardPlayer]

I know I keep waiting myself praying every day we will have some news. I just checked on the casey Anthony thread 586 viewing wow.. thats alot of people.

I will stay true to our girls & come here everyday for them & not give up hope.
Amen to that, GS... I'm right there (well, here) with ya. :)

[Missing Sarah]

Well the Plackers have not moved yet, Sheza and I drove by there yesterday, and this AM. So, the LE certainly wasn't searching the house. And, the new cross isn't as detailed as the orgiinal, and the solar lightw were not lit up last night, maybe there isn't enough sunlight, I was excited to drive by an d see the memorial lite up

[Ruflossn]

Amen to that, GS... I'm right there (well, here) with ya. :)

Ditto for me GetSmart and KeyboardPlayer.
I check everyday and pray that something will be happening soon.

Keep the Faith~
Ruflossn

[Tom'sGirl]

Well the Plackers have not moved yet, Sheza and I drove by there yesterday, and this AM. So, the LE certainly wasn't searching the house. And, the new cross isn't as detailed as the orgiinal, and the solar lightw were not lit up last night, maybe there isn't enough sunlight, I was excited to drive by an d see the memorial lite up
Thank you so much for the first hand info.

That sure puts to rest the rumor that they'd moved out!

[Missing Sarah]

Thank you, there was some confusion about their relocation, but it hasn't happened yet.Lots of boot prints at the memorial site yesterday.Some dog prints too..lots of new items too

[Tom'sGirl]

Thank you, there was some confusion about their relocation, but it hasn't happened yet.Lots of boot prints at the memorial site yesterday.Some dog prints too..lots of new items too
Well, if more items were there, then many are still thinking of them, I'm so happy for that. Too bad about the Solar lights, maybe they have them located in the shaded area???

By any chance did you & 'S' speak with anyone in the area that knew if indeed the road had been closed off the other day, and if so why?

[Missing Sarah]

Sheza talked to the rural mail carrier and he said between 10:00 and 2:00 ...time he spent in that area, he didn't see anything.So, I dont' have any new details on the roadblack. Sorry

[Missing Sarah]

You are right, about 1/2 mile there in that aree a are covered with tall trees over lapping the road. It was a great idea, but I don't think the solar lights will ever work there. Nice thought though.:) I count 5 new bears last week-end, and new cross this week-end, and a package of Skittles laying in a stuffed bears arms...sweet sweet...they have not been forgotten!!!

[Tom'sGirl]

You are right, about 1/2 mile there in that aree a are covered with tall trees over lapping the road. It was a great idea, but I don't think the solar lights will ever work there. Nice thought though.:) I count 5 new bears last week-end, and new cross this week-end, and a package of Skittles laying in a stuffed bears arms...sweet sweet...they have not been forgotten!!!
I remember when I was did a Screen-Cap of the site I had to lighten it as it appeared to be in the dark from all the trees, and the video was taken on a sunny day.

Aww, the pack of Skittles kinda got to me!

[Tom'sGirl]

Sheza talked to the rural mail carrier and he said between 10:00 and 2:00 ...time he spent in that area, he didn't see anything.So, I dont' have any new details on the roadblack. Sorry
I'm guessing if it had been closed the mail carrier would have known. According to what has been posted here and elsewhere it was closed on more than one day.

Thanks again, it's great to get this info. and not from rumors spread from all over the place from those who don't even live there :heart:

[Missing Sarah]

Yes, I would think he would have seen something, not saying it didn't happen, but Howard the mail carrier didn't see anything

[Tom'sGirl]

Yes, I would think he would have seen something, not saying it didn't happen, but Howard the mail carrier didn't see anything
I won't ask you any more questions as it seems posts from here are taken over to TOPIX, even one of my Screen-caps was copied from here............:crazy:

[YellowDog]

Has the smoke cleared?

[Tom'sGirl]

Has the smoke cleared?
:yes:

[Missing Sarah]

Sheza are you here..?

[sheza]

Ok I have been reading for a few days trying to catch up. I need to verify what frog has mentioned about the 'road block'. There was a roadblock Sunday as well Monday before lunch. The area that was blocked off was just south of the Placker home, there's a road that turns back to the east, goes to the Chancey home. It was just south of that road as well as north of the Plackers at Bryant Road. There was someone sticking out like a sore thumb in a suit. When a person was stopped at one they checked license and then gave a pass word. At the second stop the password had to be verified and then you could go on.

This is fact, whether or not the LE members were there for a long time is unknown. They were gone by noon Monday.

Didn't Just Nose'n around verify this?

[sheza]

Sheza are you here..?


Hi Sarah, I was told Plackers did move to Henryetta, I guess they must be cleaning or someother family member may be staying there???

[Missing Sarah]

Yes, Roy did verify that just the other night

[adnoid]

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[frogjustfrog]

Didn't Just Nose'n around verify this?

Ya, she did. thanks.
There is evidence now that they were there for awhile, but it cannot be confirmed why. It will all come out in the wash.
Thanks

[frogjustfrog]

I was thinking today about the boys on the 4wheelers that was mentioned earlier. Do you know anything about that? And I hear that the Harris guy is in Weleetka. I wonder why people think he is in CA then?

[YellowDog]

Hi Frog and everyone else that's on here tonight. I didn't hear about the two boys on the 4 wheelers. I missed that. That's very interesting. When was this supposed to have happened?

[cloudajo]

Hi Frog and everyone else that's on here tonight. I didn't hear about the two boys on the 4 wheelers. I missed that. That's very interesting. When was this supposed to have happened?

Rumor/hearsay from June 9th (link to forum below):

“just got report it was a 17 and a 19 year old set of boys off of a 4 wheeler that did it. They got caught via a phone call to a "buddy " bragging it was like shooting dogs.”

“this sounds bad but my info came from a 3rd or 4th party. my sister said her motherin law was with the family and that is what they had heard. NOt sure whats up . just passed on the info.”

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1)

[cloudajo]

Hey All,

I created two maps - one is street view, other is aerial view.

Not sure if the locations I have are correct though. Please take a look and let me know what needs to be changed or added. Then I'll post in Maps thread.

Thanks. Hopefully the link works too.

http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=S6UT7HpSGctvRU6gjdOs%2Bg%3D%3D

[little726]

Rumor/hearsay from June 9th (link to forum below):

“just got report it was a 17 and a 19 year old set of boys off of a 4 wheeler that did it. They got caught via a phone call to a "buddy " bragging it was like shooting dogs.”

“this sounds bad but my info came from a 3rd or 4th party. my sister said her motherin law was with the family and that is what they had heard. NOt sure whats up . just passed on the info.”

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1)

This really makes me sick and angry!

[KeyboardPlayer]

Cloud, thank you for the detailed maps!!! Not sure about the 2 boys on 4-wheeler theory, I would think if they "got caught" back on June 9th we would have heard more about it by now, two months later. Nice find, though, I hadn't seen that before, and it's good not to ignore any possibilities at this point. Little, I sure do agree with your statement... Even if it's not true, the "shooting dogs" comment makes me EXTREMELY upset. :(

[DLTinOKLA]

Rumor/hearsay from June 9th (link to forum below):

“just got report it was a 17 and a 19 year old set of boys off of a 4 wheeler that did it. They got caught via a phone call to a "buddy " bragging it was like shooting dogs.”



Well I know this is just a rumor and I'm sure this rumor has been investigated by LE but . . . when all the information was posted about the Keloughs and Southerns earlier, I looked at one of the teenage boy's myspace pages. I can't remember which one it was but he had pictures of 4-wheelers in his pictures. Also, I checked some of his friends and there was another teen on there from the Seminole area that had pictures of both 4-wheelers and guns in his pictures. I'm not saying these kids did the crime! But we know that teens with 4 wheelers and teens with guns were in the area the day of the crime.

I'm sure this has been discussed but I just haven't seen it or forgot already. But near the crime scene is there a way to get off the road through the woods on a 4 wheeler?? Are there trails around and under the bridge??

Thanks Cloud for the aerial maps! It sure helps people like me that isn't familiar with the area! Wow! It sure puts in perspective how close the girls were in possibly reaching the "safety" of Taylor's home. It sure makes me think that someone knew they had to hurry and kill them because they were getting so close to the house. If something happened at the bridge why did the killer(s) wait so long before shooting the girls??

[EnvoyDriver61]

Regarding your maps, cloud, the Bad Creek Bridge is a little farther north, I believe. You have the electrical line crossing labeled as the bridge. If you look a little farther north, you'll see the creek where it intersects with the road.

[YellowDog]

This really makes me sick and angry!

Further down in those posts, someone said that area is known as "flamesville" and in the past was used for devil worshiping. Has that been discussed on here before?

Also, I wonder if there were any 4 wheeler tracks near the scene of the crime?

[YellowDog]

Thanks for the maps Cloudajo.

[Ruflossn]

Hey All,

I created two maps - one is street view, other is aerial view.

Not sure if the locations I have are correct though. Please take a look and let me know what needs to be changed or added. Then I'll post in Maps thread.

Thanks. Hopefully the link works too.

http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=S6UT7HpSGctvRU6gjdOs%2Bg%3D%3D

Cloudajo~
These maps are awesome!!
Thanks for the hard work~

Ruflossn

[stillblv]

You have probably all seen this but:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408781,00.html

It's true that OK doesn't have to register guns? Can't believe that! Do their cars have to be registered?

[Missing Sarah]

Rumor/hearsay from June 9th (link to forum below):

“just got report it was a 17 and a 19 year old set of boys off of a 4 wheeler that did it. They got caught via a phone call to a "buddy " bragging it was like shooting dogs.”

“this sounds bad but my info came from a 3rd or 4th party. my sister said her motherin law was with the family and that is what they had heard. NOt sure whats up . just passed on the info.”

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1)

clouajo, you are correct ...those boys were picked up and questioned. 'Text message' was something to the affect, it was like shooting dogs. I haven't heard anymore about those boys. It was a couple of days after the killings.

[KeyboardPlayer]

Thank you, MS... I didn't realize they were picked up and questioned. Seems like they were ruled out as suspects; perhaps they were just making a joke about something they had no involvement in (albeit a VERY CRUEL joke). Just speculating is all...

[Ruflossn]

clouajo, you are correct ...those boys were picked up and questioned. 'Text message' was something to the affect, it was like shooting dogs. I haven't heard anymore about those boys. It was a couple of days after the killings.

Hi Missing Sarah~
I wondered if you knew whether or not the teenage boys were still in school?

Ruflossn

[Missing Sarah]

You have probably all seen this but:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408781,00.html

It's true that OK doesn't have to register guns? Can't believe that! Do their cars have to be registered?

Well, of course our cars have to be registered, I'm sure we aren't the only state with unregistered guns, If you purchace a new gun it is registered,r but if you trade for or buy from an indivisual, you don't usually register it

[KeyboardPlayer]

Just as an aside (sorry if slightly OT), Ohio doesn't require gun registration either, and seems more lax than OK...
Rifles and Shotguns

Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.

Handguns


Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? No.

Is there a State waiting period? No.

Cheers

[stillblv]

Well, of course our cars have to be registered, I'm sure we aren't the only state with unregistered guns, If you purchace a new gun it is registered,r but if you trade for or buy from an indivisual, you don't usually register it


I was asking about the cars facetiously. It seems contrary to me that cars have to be registered but not guns. Yikes!

[stillblv]

Just as an aside (sorry if slightly OT), Ohio doesn't require gun registration either, and seems more lax than OK...
Rifles and Shotguns

Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.

Handguns


Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? No.

Is there a State waiting period? No.

Cheers

Double Yikes!

[little726]

Thank you for the link, stillblv. This quote was made by Jessica Brown,"Since we don't have a motive, we just can't look in one direction for a certain person," Jessica Brown, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, told FOXNews.com. "It's wide open."

This sounds like BS, to me! I don't think the person or person's who did this HAD a motive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408781,00.html

[stillblv]

Thank you for the link, stillblv. This quote was made by Jessica Brown,"Since we don't have a motive, we just can't look in one direction for a certain person," Jessica Brown, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, told FOXNews.com. "It's wide open."

This sounds like BS, to me! I don't think the person or person's who did this HAD a motive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408781,00.html

No? Do you think the victims knew their killer(s)?

[little726]

"No? Do you think the victims knew their killer(s)?"

Yes....I think they DID know their killers!

[GetSmart]

I am beginning to think that the girls recognized their killer. Maybe did not know them well but recognized them.

[Tom'sGirl]

I am beginning to think that the girls recognized their killer. Maybe did not know them well but recognized them.

At this point any scenario is possible GS.

[Just Nose'n around]

I'm guessing if it had been closed the mail carrier would have known. According to what has been posted here and elsewhere it was closed on more than one day.

Thanks again, it's great to get this info. and not from rumors spread from all over the place from those who don't even live there :heart:

I'm sorry, are you saying that you all don't believe the road block took place? It was said, by me, that it was on Sunday and early Monday. If the mail man didn't see anything he would be talking about Monday, since mail doesn't run on Sunday. Monday, whoever it was performing the road block may have been gone by 10...Thanks

[GetSmart]

Can we start a new thread this one is getting long... I don't know if just anyone can or if it has to be a mod :confused:
Ah heck I am going to start one anyway....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2539359#post2539359

Thread # 18

[Missing Sarah]

Honestly, I do not have the answer to that question. It was talked about very briefly....and then didn't hear anything more about it.Sorry

[Missing Sarah]

A new rumor is being tossed around, but I do not feel comfortable repeating it. If, I hear any new details to comfirm it....We will share

[Missing Sarah]

that road block has caused so much trouble on here...lets just forget it. It isn't of any importance to the case anyway.

[GetSmart]

A new rumor is being tossed around, but I do not feel comfortable repeating it. If, I hear any new details to comfirm it....We will share

Can we start a new thread this one is getting long... I don't know if just anyone can or if it has to be a mod :confused:
Ah heck I am going to start one anyway....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2539359#post2539359

Thread # 18



Can we post here please.. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2539359#post2539359

[sheza]

A new rumor is being tossed around, but I do not feel comfortable repeating it. If, I hear any new details to comfirm it....We will share

Bet it's the same rumor I've heard today..Placker's telling on Placker's...
If it's true we should know soon.

Please note this is a local rumor.