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Amberjack
08-14-2008, 02:29 AM
I have posted that my brilliant, wonderful sister has developed this personality....
It's very sad. She believes her lies. No responsibility comes towards her.

So...I "get" the lies, the manipulation. Casey will never tell the truth.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 02:37 AM
http://wwwwbipicomlink.blogspot.com/2008/08/did-casey-anthony-leave-caylee-in.html

Secondary/Neurotic Sociopath MOST DANGEROUS TYPE OF CRIMINAL Dysfunctional Upbringing, Pathological Liar, Anti Social, No Conscience, Intelligent, Manipulator, Drug/Alcohol Abuser, Charming, Emotional Thrill Seeker, Fearless, Promiscuous, Convincing Con Artist.

Amberjack
08-14-2008, 02:11 PM
Casey:

Low self esteem
Looking for happiness from guys...Many, many relationships!
No real plan for the future
Maybe marriage, big house, easy life
Lives life through a fantasy
Can separate herself from the severity of her reality
Takes no responsibility for her actions
It's "all about Casey"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

Periwinkle
08-14-2008, 07:42 PM
Casey:

Low self esteem
Looking for happiness from guys...Many, many relationships!
No real plan for the future
Maybe marriage, big house, easy life
Lives life through a fantasy
Can separate herself from the severity of her reality
Takes no responsibility for her actions
It's "all about Casey"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder
My heart goes out to you Amberjack, I was married to a Sociopath for over 10 yrs, then remained friends with him for 13 more, it's hard to explain this type of person to someone who has never met or been in relationship with one, It's not that I'm naive, They're "just that good" at what they do, His psychiatrist told me at one point, to get away from him, he was a "con-artist" he was good at what he did, I argued with the Psychiatrist! He is not anti-social, far from it, he's a people person, which to me, is the most dangerous, he doesn't even have to seek out who will be his next victim, he has volunteers lined up, so to speak, I'll give you an example, after our marriage ended, he moved in with a woman, which didn't last, none of his relationships ever do, he was telling me he never cared about his "live-in" lady, I asked him WHY was he living with her, if he didn't care about her? Made no sense to me? His reply?............and I quote, ........."She was Convenient"
Don't flame me, I'm a newbie LOL, If this doesn't belong here, as in, off-topic, whatever, move it, delete it, etc......... I just posted it to try to attempt to explain my perspective on Casey, and I'm with you Amberjack, She will NEVER confess to anything, the only way I ever see her admiting to anything, is that if she's given a choice of life in prison, as opposed to the death penalty, again, Like stated before, It's all about Casey, What makes this case so heart-wrenching for me, is that she was willing to hurt her own child, in order to get what she wanted, I still want to believe it was an accident/ cover-up type of thing, but I seriously have my doubts, I love all children and consider them to be our gifts from God, poor little Caylee was innocent in all of this, I hope they find this sweet little girl, and are able to prosecute the mother
Sorry, I forgot, all the above is ...........JMHO

Amberjack
08-14-2008, 11:17 PM
Thank you, PERIWINKLE.....

In my mind, if I can identify the problem then I can possible solve it. It took me 40+ years to see/identify my sister's problem. All who know her believe her to be a "wonderful, social person" What they don't see is the "evil side" of her...The manipulator. Sorry, I cannot explain it. A very abusive person VERBALLY...All confrontations are redirected to others problems...away from hers. How very sad to not identify your own shortcomings.

It was 7 years ago that I said to her "Enough, If you do not want my HELP...See ya." Of course, I've received vile phone calls in which she blames me for her problems.

Boy, I see Casey Anthony having this personality.
Add alcohol/drugs and the combination is EXPLOSIVE!

People view "sociopaths/psychopaths" as being murders...Not so.
Just persons that feel the world owes them.

Amberjack
08-14-2008, 11:39 PM
Look at O.J. Simpson, Scott Peterson, Joran van der Sloot, etc.

Their upbringing told them they were "better" than others
Never held accountable for their actions
Believing their lies
Relationships are a means to an end

Casey: Her "game" is exposed
She will attack those closest to her

sweetmop
08-14-2008, 11:39 PM
For Periwinkle and Amberjack.:blowkiss:
Thank you for sharing your stories.
And I think you've sure got Casey pegged. It really breaks my heart that her precious little girl meant nothing to her and she even thought of her as a burden! I can't imagine! She never cherished the gift she had been given.

Too sad that her family never got some type of help before this happened.

Amberjack
08-14-2008, 11:47 PM
Casey's family should have sought help before this all happened.
Cindy's removal of Casey from the house caused the "explosion"

O.J. Simpson, Scott Peterson, Joran van der Sloot

All believe themselves to be innocent

headndownstream
08-16-2008, 07:17 AM
I found this somewhere on the internet. I don't know Casey but I found attributes that sound like they apply!

Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
——————————————————————————–
Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)

headndownstream
08-16-2008, 07:20 AM
Wow, the more I look at this! Look at how many apply!!! This Casey is seriously a number one candidate. I'd love to hear her 'friends' discuss this list.

poco
08-16-2008, 07:57 AM
I hate to admit this, but a very close family member fits the above descriptions as does an X husband - yes, they are sociopaths IMO. They are both so convincing, manipulative and very good at what they do.

Because I have been closely associated with these types of people, I can see why Casey's parents are reacting they way they are.

I know my X-husband, who had blue eyes, could stand there and convince me that his eyes were really brown and by the time he was "done with me", he would have me believing they were brown!

LoriKeet
08-16-2008, 08:08 AM
Thank you, PERIWINKLE.....

In my mind, if I can identify the problem then I can possible solve it. It took me 40+ years to see/identify my sister's problem. All who know her believe her to be a "wonderful, social person" What they don't see is the "evil side" of her...The manipulator. Sorry, I cannot explain it. A very abusive person VERBALLY...All confrontations are redirected to others problems...away from hers. How very sad to not identify your own shortcomings.

It was 7 years ago that I said to her "Enough, If you do not want my HELP...See ya." Of course, I've received vile phone calls in which she blames me for her problems.

Boy, I see Casey Anthony having this personality.
Add alcohol/drugs and the combination is EXPLOSIVE!

People view "sociopaths/psychopaths" as being murders...Not so.
Just persons that feel the world owes them.

This is my MOTHER...she is a textbook sociopath! As an only child and she a single parent (not surprising!), she always made me feel responsible for EVERTHING that went wrong in her life--since I was conceived! She kept me under her thumb with emotional blackmail and verbal abuse. Firtunately for me, I had some really great mentors, who helped me to see the light, and I FINALLY cut all ties with her at the age of 32. Never been happier since! I still get the miserable letter every now and again, but I just put them in the trash. It's really the only way to deal with them...to distance yourself--physically and emotionally. They can never be "cured" since there is no specific medication, and they don't think there is anything wrong with them--quite the vicious cycle!

Amberjack
08-16-2008, 08:16 AM
....And never once an apology, explanation for their behavior!
It's "everyone else's" fault.

Patty G
08-16-2008, 08:34 AM
This is my MOTHER...she is a textbook sociopath! As an only child and she a single parent (not surprising!), she always made me feel responsible for EVERTHING that went wrong in her life--since I was conceived! She kept me under her thumb with emotional blackmail and verbal abuse. Firtunately for me, I had some really great mentors, who helped me to see the light, and I FINALLY cut all ties with her at the age of 32. Never been happier since! I still get the miserable letter every now and again, but I just put them in the trash. It's really the only way to deal with them...to distance yourself--physically and emotionally. They can never be "cured" since there is no specific medication, and they don't think there is anything wrong with them--quite the vicious cycle!


I so relate to your story! :( My mother past in 2005 and her last wish was "for no one to tell me". So she tried to get to me right up to her last breath!

Piglitsmum
08-16-2008, 11:45 AM
My fondest wishes to those of you dealing, or having dealt with, loved ones with Mental Health (MH) issues - Keep strong!

My own opinion, and in my experience, is that many people with MH issues, (as well as those with substance misuse issues - and often these two things go hand in hand, this is called dual diagnosis...), are often very selfish and everyone and everything has to revolve around them - They draw others into their problems, with them at the centre, and never take responsibility for, or are honest about, their own issues which have gotten them into the sorry state that they are in, a la Casey!

As a side point, there is so much information on this thread, I have missed something, and that was why did Casey take Caylee away from her grandparents (where she was at least safe for the first three years of her life) - what reasons have Casey and Cindy given, that seem plausible...?

Love_Mama
08-16-2008, 12:04 PM
My heart goes out to you Amberjack, I was married to a Sociopath for over 10 yrs, then remained friends with him for 13 more, it's hard to explain this type of person to someone who has never met or been in relationship with one, It's not that I'm naive, They're "just that good" at what they do, His psychiatrist told me at one point, to get away from him, he was a "con-artist" he was good at what he did, I argued with the Psychiatrist! He is not anti-social, far from it, he's a people person, which to me, is the most dangerous, he doesn't even have to seek out who will be his next victim, he has volunteers lined up, so to speak, I'll give you an example, after our marriage ended, he moved in with a woman, which didn't last, none of his relationships ever do, he was telling me he never cared about his "live-in" lady, I asked him WHY was he living with her, if he didn't care about her? Made no sense to me? His reply?............and I quote, ........."She was Convenient"
Don't flame me, I'm a newbie LOL, If this doesn't belong here, as in, off-topic, whatever, move it, delete it, etc......... I just posted it to try to attempt to explain my perspective on Casey, and I'm with you Amberjack, She will NEVER confess to anything, the only way I ever see her admiting to anything, is that if she's given a choice of life in prison, as opposed to the death penalty, again, Like stated before, It's all about Casey, What makes this case so heart-wrenching for me, is that she was willing to hurt her own child, in order to get what she wanted, I still want to believe it was an accident/ cover-up type of thing, but I seriously have my doubts, I love all children and consider them to be our gifts from God, poor little Caylee was innocent in all of this, I hope they find this sweet little girl, and are able to prosecute the mother
Sorry, I forgot, all the above is ...........JMHO

Periwinkle, good post and you are absolutely right...:clap:
Thanks so much..........and WELCOME TO WS~delighted to have you here and hope you'll be posting more.
We need this kind of real life stories.

xxxxxxxxxxoooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

janice
08-16-2008, 12:06 PM
why did Casey take Caylee away from her grandparents (where she was at least safe for the first three years of her life) - what reasons have Casey and Cindy given, that seem plausible...?

I'm not sure about the source, but I thought Cindy wanted custody of Caylee. If Casey wanted to party and be free, why not hand the baby over to Cindy?

Love_Mama
08-16-2008, 12:10 PM
Thank you, PERIWINKLE.....

In my mind, if I can identify the problem then I can possible solve it. It took me 40+ years to see/identify my sister's problem. All who know her believe her to be a "wonderful, social person" What they don't see is the "evil side" of her...The manipulator. Sorry, I cannot explain it. A very abusive person VERBALLY...All confrontations are redirected to others problems...away from hers. How very sad to not identify your own shortcomings.

It was 7 years ago that I said to her "Enough, If you do not want my HELP...See ya." Of course, I've received vile phone calls in which she blames me for her problems.

Boy, I see Casey Anthony having this personality.
Add alcohol/drugs and the combination is EXPLOSIVE!



People view "sociopaths/psychopaths" as being murders...Not so.
Just persons that feel the world owes them.

Amberjack.....meant to answer your post too. They're charming aren't they. Everything bad that happen's is never their fault. I know that personality. I'm so dang sorry it was your sister, thank God my sister's normal. Wondering now when she's going to give Casey a psychiatric exam........
Anyone know?

xxxxxxxxxxoooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

Kat1124
08-16-2008, 12:18 PM
My fondest wishes to those of you dealing, or having dealt with, loved ones with Mental Health (MH) issues - Keep strong!

My own opinion, and in my experience, is that many people with MH issues, (as well as those with substance misuse issues - and often these two things go hand in hand, this is called dual diagnosis...), are often very selfish and everyone and everything has to revolve around them - They draw others into their problems, with them at the centre, and never take responsibility for, or are honest about, their own issues which have gotten them into the sorry state that they are in, a la Casey!

As a side point, there is so much information on this thread, I have missed something, and that was why did Casey take Caylee away from her grandparents (where she was at least safe for the first three years of her life) - what reasons have Casey and Cindy given, that seem plausible...?

I remember Cindy saying that Casey left for a vacation/break to bond with Caylee. One interesting thing to note (explains some of the dynamics in their mother/daughter relationship, perhaps?) is that when Caylee was born the doctors handed the baby to Cindy not Casey and supposedly Casey resented this. Cindy is an RN and may know the doctors? I'm not sure.

ShouldBWorking
08-16-2008, 12:23 PM
I so relate to your story! :( My mother past in 2005 and her last wish was "for no one to tell me". So she tried to get to me right up to her last breath!

Hugs Patty! Sounds like we could be sisters, but mine is still living just pretending none of us exist except the golden child mentally ill people are usually bright

LoriKeet
08-16-2008, 12:54 PM
My fondest wishes to those of you dealing, or having dealt with, loved ones with Mental Health (MH) issues - Keep strong!

why did Casey take Caylee away from her grandparents (where she was at least safe for the first three years of her life) - what reasons have Casey and Cindy given, that seem plausible...?

From personal experience (my mother)...sociopaths ONLY want something when they can't have it. Casey was fine with her parents taking care of Caylee, because it was on HER terms, to convenience HER, but if the parents suggested they wanted to legally become Caylee's guardian, THAT'S when Casey took what "was hers" and bolted. No different than a child preventing a peer/sibling from having their toy.

Caylee was nothing but a pawn/accessory to Casey. Once the novelty wore off, she became a hindrance to Casey's social life, yet there was no way Casey would admit to her parents that they were right. There was no way Casey was going to let her parents "win."

Just like Susan Smith. Even though Susan had her ex-husband and two sets of grandparents who would've happily raised those boys, she couldn't let them "win."

Casey really showed her parents who was boss, didn't she?! It's such a sick and twisted mentality.

KR2tonenow
08-16-2008, 01:27 PM
I have posted that my brilliant, wonderful sister has developed this personality....
It's very sad. She believes her lies. No responsibility comes towards her.

So...I "get" the lies, the manipulation. Casey will never tell the truth.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Wow, great read!

KR2tonenow
08-16-2008, 01:31 PM
I remember Cindy saying that Casey left for a vacation/break to bond with Caylee. One interesting thing to note (explains some of the dynamics in their mother/daughter relationship, perhaps?) is that when Caylee was born the doctors handed the baby to Cindy not Casey and supposedly Casey resented this. Cindy is an RN and may know the doctors? I'm not sure.

I've lived with a master manipulator for 22 years and he reminds me of a much older Casey in so many ways: Attractive, intelligent, witty, cunning, the life of the party, seemingly such a good catch (remember TonE's roommate saying he told him to hurry and wife her up or whatever that phrase was), to the outside world they seem so nice and so normal until you get to know them and you strip away the facade and find they are: self-serving, low to no ambition, temper, drug/alcohol abusers, mooch off others, take no responsibilities for their actions, think everyone else is to blame, no one else has problems like theirs, refusal to help with domestic labor or paying for their own food, everyone owes them a free ride, etc., etc.

Quite right! These personality disorders blind them from feeling remorse of any kind, self serving and nacisstic. If this kind of individual isn't treated by a professional, they are out in society seemingly distroying other's innocent lives. :(

OneLostGrl
08-16-2008, 01:48 PM
My heart goes out to ya'll for what you have had to go through with loved ones and mental illness issues.

Maybe a mod could merge this with the "borderline personality" and "possible diagnoses" threads we already have going so all the mental health stuff can be in one spot, what do ya'll think?

Kat1124
08-16-2008, 01:59 PM
Quite right! These personality disorders blind them from feeling remorse of any kind, self serving and nacisstic. If this kind of individual isn't treated by a professional, they are out in society seemingly distroying other's innocent lives. :(

Wow. I hadn't read the article posted by Amberjack before posting my earlier reply. What an interesting article, but scary.

Amberjack
08-16-2008, 02:05 PM
why did Casey take Caylee away from her grandparents (where she was at least safe for the first three years of her life) - what reasons have Casey and Cindy given, that seem plausible...?

I'm not sure about the source, but I thought Cindy wanted custody of Caylee. If Casey wanted to party and be free, why not hand the baby over to Cindy?

IMO Because Casey could not admit to having failed with Caylee.
The ultimate revenge against her parent's decision to have Casey move out was to take away Caylee. I bet Casey has blocked out the entire "experience"

Her taped jail conversations show a total lack of concern for anyone but herself.

Love_Mama
08-16-2008, 03:40 PM
My heart goes out to ya'll for what you have had to go through with loved ones and mental illness issues.

Maybe a mod could merge this with the "borderline personality" and "possible diagnoses" threads we already have going so all the mental health stuff can be in one spot, what do ya'll think?

OneLostGrl, great idea. Why don't you just ask one of the mods here?
We're always trying to find out this kind of information so it would be neat to have that thread a 'sticky"

:woohoo::woohoo:

Hoping all is well with you and family!

xxxxxxxxxooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

KR2tonenow
08-16-2008, 07:15 PM
IMO Because Casey could not admit to having failed with Caylee.
The ultimate revenge against her parent's decision to have Casey move out was to take away Caylee. I bet Casey has blocked out the entire "experience"

Her taped jail conversations show a total lack of concern for anyone but herself.

Well, it plays in well with un-diagnosed mentally ill socipath Casey, couldn't help herself, for the defense when this goes on trial. It will go to trial. Gross neglect with children is a prison sentence, either way.

Frankly I am sitting on the edge of my seat wondering when Casey will be out of jail and if Padilla, will "torture" the information out of her.

Piglitsmum
08-16-2008, 08:37 PM
Thank you for those of you who have tried to update me as to the reasons why Casey took Caylee away - As you say, it is the thing about cutting off your nose to spite your face - that is, ensuring that she (Caylee) doesn't have anything more than you might have, and taking her away to take revenge upon her parents, then realising that you can't be responsible for this life...

Whatever anyone's opinion on the GPs, IMO there is no doubt that Casey is at least guilty of gross child neglect and obstructing the course of justice, and how she could ever be granted bail is beyond me - I need to go catch up with that thread now. Thanks again!

Amberjack
08-19-2008, 02:10 PM
A trait of the Sociopathic Personality-STALKING

* O.J. Simpson stalked Nicole
He even peered thru her windows while she was being "romantic" with a new boyfriend

* Scott Peterson was stalking Amber Frey

* Susan Smith was most likely stalking her ex

* Even Joran van der Sloot stalked the female students

Stalking includes unannounced visits, harrassing phone calls, angry letters
All with the possibility of violence

http://www.esia.net/Common_Traits_of_Stalkers.htm

Amberjack
08-19-2008, 02:14 PM
The Addict/Alcoholic Personality:

http://www.renascent.ca/addiction/personality.html

Piglitsmum
08-19-2008, 02:44 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted elsewhere - Very telling, and often linked to other PDs.

Description of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

"Behaviour or a fantasy of grandiosity, a lack of empathy and a need to be admired by others. As indicated by at least five of the following:

1. Grandiose sense of self-importance.
2. Fantasies of and preoccupied with beauty, brilliance, ideal love, power, or unlimited success.
3. A belief of being special and unique and can only be understood or a need to associate with people of high status.
4. A need for excessive admiration.
5. An unreasonable expectation of being treated with favour or excepting an automatic compliance to her / his wishes.
6. Will use others to achieve her / his goals.
7. Lacks empathy.
8. Believes others are envious of her / him or is envious of others.
9. Contemptuous or haughty attitudes / behaviours."

Often NPD doesn't stand alone. Suffers of NPD may suffer from elements of other personality disorders. This is due mainly to the fact that it is not possible to define an exact set of criteria for each personality disorder which will apply to all cases. Personality disorders are a relatively new field of research and it is likely the criteria used to define specific disorders will change over time.

Most sufferers diagnosed with NPD are men".

Amberjack
08-19-2008, 06:53 PM
:clap: You can see these trais in Casey's "Icon" Photobucket

"I'm so pretty, I'm so great, I'm better than you....

Men: A means to an end...Doesn't mastter who he is.

Lacks EMPATHY...When Christina broke down hyterical over Caylee...
Casey laughs it off. THAT would have been the time for Casey to break down and say, "Yes, if anything happens to Caylee I too will just die..."

Piglitsmum
08-20-2008, 03:16 PM
Bless you, amberjack - This appears to be one of those often undiagnosed disorders, and I hope Psych people are involved in interviewing Casy, so that they have some understanding of what they might be dealing with here...

It's a complex case - Do we recall the missing Shannon Matthews, the UK case, where it seemed as if they were trying to get public sympathy and donations, as happened with Madeleine McCann's case?

I wonder if we've even thought of money as the motive, and if there have been any appeals made for that so far?

Amberjack
08-21-2008, 09:54 PM
No, I don't think the Anthony's are interested in making money off of this.

It does surprise me, that with all their family, friends, connections...
They could not come up with the 50K.....

I see Cindy being as self centered, delusional, grandiose as Casey.
I see George as a good man stuck in the middle of all this DRAAAAMMMMA.
Lee, too is enjoying the spotlight.

Amberjack
08-21-2008, 09:56 PM
In terms of Casey: "Follow the Money" (or lack of money)

And connect the dots.............Sex, drugs and........freedom?

Amberjack
08-21-2008, 10:03 PM
Sociopaths:

O.J. Simpson
Scott Peterson
Susan Smith
Joran van der Sloot
etc................................

IMO No one or no thing was going to get in their way of their obsession/their addictions
Even if it meant another murder

There were moments where my sister threatened my life over a six pack of beer...And, yes she was/is capable of it.

Sociopaths do not have relationships; they take HOSTAGES.