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Hailiejade77
08-14-2008, 12:23 PM
please continue here,......

Hailiejade77
08-14-2008, 12:27 PM
I have been thinking about something for the last couple of minutes. During Cindy's last 911 call when she mentions the "car smells like a dead body", Casey was standing right there. I wonder what she thought of that statement? If she knew Caylee was dead in there at some point, wouldn't that have made her VERY nervous???

shannon718
08-14-2008, 12:29 PM
PUFFSTER

George regarding decomp smell

"It was an overpowering smell, I admit that," he said. "It's a possibility that maybe my daughter ran over something."

I see the dishonesty and or denial all over the place in this sentence. Why does he say: "i admit that"....to me that shows a reluctance to admit the truth. In other words, "okay okay I admit it". And then he backtracks yet again and states that Casey may have ran over something. He is an EX homicide detective and he absolutely 100 percent knows what a dead body smells like. You cannot in any way mistake it for a dead animal. Ask any person with experience with the odor and they will SCOFF at his roadkill comparison.

OldSarge
08-14-2008, 12:41 PM
PUFFSTER

George regarding decomp smell

"It was an overpowering smell, I admit that," he said. "It's a possibility that maybe my daughter ran over something."

I see the dishonesty and or denial all over the place in this sentence. Why does he say: "i admit that"....to me that shows a reluctance to admit the truth. In other words, "okay okay I admit it". And then he backtracks yet again and states that Casey may have ran over something. He is an EX homicide detective and he absolutely 100 percent knows what a dead body smells like. You cannot in any way mistake it for a dead animal. Ask any person with experience with the odor and they will SCOFF at his roadkill comparison.

Has this been confirmed? I thought he was a deputy sheriff from Ohio and was in LE for only 10 years. This still bothers me.

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 12:43 PM
Casey picks Amy up at the airport at about 2:30pm. Our best guess is that George picks up the car about 3pm. Casey is on Facebook/Myspace (?) at 4:02 PM telling AMY she's happy she's home and that everything is on hold til tomorrow. By 11:38pm Amy is on the computer talking about how she thought she knew her friend who ended up stealing from her etc. 911 calls start circa 8pm. Where was George between 3p and 9p when he walks back in the house? Seems to have been away for a while as he is not "caught up". I think when Cindy finally got a hold of Amy, they compared notes on Casey's activities including their allegations of stealing,etc.

DianeB
08-14-2008, 12:46 PM
I have been thinking about something for the last couple of minutes. During Cindy's last 911 call when she mentions the "car smells like a dead body", Casey was standing right there. I wonder what she thought of that statement? If she knew Caylee was dead in there at some point, wouldn't that have made her VERY nervous???I have no doubt that both parents questioned Casey repeatedly and persistently about the decomp smell in the car - who wouldn't? Remember, George pulled one of the deputies aside that evening and told him or her that he believed his daughter was withholding information.

I wonder what Casey told her folks about that smell?

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 12:46 PM
On July 15th Cindy and George could not remember fathers day or the video, the last time they actually saw Caylee or even Casey for that matter. On July 3rd Cindy was pretty clear about how she felt things transpired. They left and she knew why, jealousy.

Yet 50 and 60 days later they can remember Father's day night, swimming, Caylee being tucked in, George seeing Casey and Caylee leave, what they were wearing and what time it was, the pool ladder's exact positioning in or out of the pool and when within a 12 hour period or less, which day and time Casey came to the house and George retrieved the gas cans.

They don't or won't remember a fight occuring, the real reason for a change in family dynamics that weekend into the 16th of June, reasons for the phone calls from Casey not being answered. No calls to a babysitter or kidnapper existing at all.

Blondieskatz
08-14-2008, 12:48 PM
Just wondering why a pizza would be in the trunk?

Marina2
08-14-2008, 12:48 PM
Puffster, after picking up the car it was driven home. Cindy found Casey by taking a phone number off a resume of Amy's that was left in the car. She called Amy and Amy took her to Casey. So George had already been home with the car much earlier (prior to Cindy going to get Casey) when he walked in on the third 911 call. Cindy knew how the car smelled before she made the first 911 call...even before she picked up Casey.

TripleA
08-14-2008, 12:58 PM
On July 15th Cindy and George could not remember fathers day or the video, the last time they actually saw Caylee or even Casey for that matter. On July 3rd Cindy was pretty clear about how she felt things transpired. They left and she knew why, jealousy.

Yet 50 and 60 days later they can remember Father's day night, swimming, Caylee being tucked in, George seeing Casey and Caylee leave, what they were wearing and what time it was, the pool ladder's exact positioning in or out of the pool and when within a 12 hour period or less, which day and time Casey came to the house and George retrieved the gas cans.

They don't or won't remember a fight occuring, the real reason for a change in family dynamics that weekend into the 16th of June, reasons for the phone calls from Casey not being answered. No calls to a babysitter or kidnapper existing at all.


That was shock talking that night. I don't think that they could have possibly had clear heads at all in those first few days. I am not surprised that they remember some things after the fact. I do that sometimes too.

DianeB
08-14-2008, 12:58 PM
Just wondering why a pizza would be in the trunk?It needed to be there to explain the smell.

Was it ever really in the trunk, or even in the backseat, or did it spend most of its afterlife in the Anthony's trash can?

Who knows?

Possibly a gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography-mass_spectrometry).

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 01:00 PM
Puffster, after picking up the car it was driven home. Cindy found Casey by taking a phone number off a resume of Amy's that was left in the car. She called Amy and Amy took her to Casey. So George had already been home with the car much earlier (prior to Cindy going to get Casey) when he walked in on the third 911 call. Cindy knew how the car smelled before she made the first 911 call...even before she picked up Casey.
Right. George, Cindy and Casey should all have been at the house by 4pm. But at about 9pm -- during frantic 911 call -- George is re-entering the picture. Where was he and how long had he been gone? Where was he during first two 911 calls?

LoriKeet
08-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Has this been confirmed? I thought he was a deputy sheriff from Ohio and was in LE for only 10 years. This still bothers me.


Here is a link that contains a bunch of other links/discussion about this fact. (I didn't look in to all the links), but it appears there is some truth to it. In which case, I cannot imagine how a cop and a nurse could have mistaken decomp for a rotten pizza...and said so with a straight face?!

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68021

DianeB
08-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Right. George, Cindy and Casey should all have been at the house by 4pm. But at about 9pm -- during frantic 911 call -- George is re-entering the picture. Where was he and how long had he been gone? Where was he during first two 911 calls?Cleaning out the trunk?

liltigress
08-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Fox News: Jailhouse Drama...

Video coming up.

DianeB
08-14-2008, 01:02 PM
Fox News: Jailhouse Drama...

Video coming up.Details when available, please!

shannon718
08-14-2008, 01:03 PM
Fox News: Jailhouse Drama...

Video coming up.

Most likely the scuffle George and Cindy had with reporters.

Elley Mae
08-14-2008, 01:03 PM
For what it's worth when I listen to the 911 call, Cindy says " (I) just found my daughters car and it smells like there's been a (Dam$) dead body in it. So who did pick up the car?

OldSarge
08-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Here is a link that contains a bunch of other links/discussion about this fact. (I didn't look in to all the links), but it appears there is some truth to it. In which case, I cannot imagine how a cop and a nurse could have mistaken decomp for a rotten pizza...and said so with a straight face?!

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68021

I totally agree. I have been in LE since 1968. I know the smell of human decomp. The "rotting pizza" would smell just like the dead body. Everything inside an enclosed space smells of decomp.

liltigress
08-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Details when available, please!

Yes'm, of course! I don't know if it's going to be the drama of them arriving then leaving the jail, but it didn't sound that way. I'm hoping we get the visit!

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Details when available, please!

Let me see if I am psychic, George yells at reporters on the way into the jail.

Vegas Bride
08-14-2008, 01:05 PM
Just wondering why a pizza would be in the trunk?

The pizza was probably something Casey was taking over for the nanny, imaginary pizza for imaginary nanny makes perfect sense to me! imo her lies aren't very good lies, if I was trying to explain a dead body smell I wouldn't pick pizza, I'd atleast say it was raw meat. Years ago I did forget a bag in my trunk, it somehow got overlooked when I was bringing things in and the smell was really bad, however even it was not as bad as what a decomposing body would have been.

VB

liltigress
08-14-2008, 01:05 PM
Let me see if I am psychic, George yells at reporters on the way into the jail.

If I had to guess on your psychics, I'd say he told them to SHUT UP!.. :crazy:

rngirl513
08-14-2008, 01:06 PM
I am sorry, but I have ran over roadkill before many times accidently. Fresh roadkill and rotten roadkill. Not once did it ever leave a stench INSIDE my car. I am not saying it cant. The thought grosses me out thinking of how road kill could get tangled up in your engine. But I know that one winter I had a squirel climb in my engine and it must have died (I felt so bad). Some wild and stray animals do that for warmth. The smell lingered for weeks. But you dont have 32 degree temperatures in Florida to worry about finding warmth. Again, I just think George is just stumbling along with the lies to keep Casey happy. Seems like when he speaks outloud, its a spur of the moment and he gets a bit flustered at times. Then I think later he regrets what he says, because he knows how dumb it sounded when he hears it later. Just my opinion.

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 01:06 PM
If I had to guess on your psychics, I'd say he told them to SHUT UP!.. :crazy:

And Cindy chimes in about a tip coming in at 11pm last night from a woman crying.

shannon718
08-14-2008, 01:07 PM
I totally agree. I have been in LE since 1968. I know the smell of human decomp. The "rotting pizza" would smell just like the dead body. Everything inside an enclosed space smells of decomp.

Sarge: would pizza produce maggots? LE never disclosed that there were maggots in the trunk....Cindy did when referring to the pizza. I know a dead body would produce maggots from what I have read regarding decomp. I ask because a couple of reporters have done the "pizza test" in the trunk and it produced nothing but leathery pizza that smelled like pizza. No maggots.

DianeB
08-14-2008, 01:08 PM
And Cindy chimes in about a tip coming in at 11pm last night from a woman crying.Was her name Gale St John?

rngirl513
08-14-2008, 01:08 PM
I wish these tests would just come in already. I am not patient.

liltigress
08-14-2008, 01:08 PM
And Cindy chimes in about a tip coming in at 11pm last night from a woman crying.

Ohhh you're goooood! :woohoo:

Marina2
08-14-2008, 01:08 PM
Right. George, Cindy and Casey should all have been at the house by 4pm. But at about 9pm -- during frantic 911 call -- George is re-entering the picture. Where was he and how long had he been gone? Where was he during first two 911 calls?

Casey wasn't home at 4pm. She has a myspace posting to Amy around that time. This was before Cindy picked her up. Cindy didn't arrive home with Casey until right before 8 o'clock in the evening and George and Lee were there. I think George had just walked into the room, not returned home, during the 911 call. If George did anything to the car it was while Cindy was gone to get Casey or before he arrived home with it that afternoon.

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 01:08 PM
Cleaning out the trunk?
That's what I'm getting at. OK. It could have been innocent, I can see cleaning out my car after getting it out of impound. I can see George doing that. Do we believe he thought it may be an animal, which he said in his very first reported statements?

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 01:09 PM
Was her name Gale St John?

Nope Gale thinks Caylee is dead. (sees, thinks) I get confused easily.

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 01:09 PM
George gets peeved when reporter asks about theory that Caylee is dead.

OldSarge
08-14-2008, 01:10 PM
Sarge: would pizza produce maggots? LE never disclosed that there were maggots in the trunk....Cindy did when referring to the pizza. I know a dead body would produce maggots from what I have read regarding decomp. I ask because a couple of reporters have done the "pizza test" in the trunk and it produced nothing but leathery pizza that smelled like pizza. No maggots.

Insects are attracted to the dead body. They lay eggs that become maggots and then more insects.

MysteryAddict
08-14-2008, 01:10 PM
On July 15th Cindy and George could not remember fathers day or the video, the last time they actually saw Caylee or even Casey for that matter. On July 3rd Cindy was pretty clear about how she felt things transpired. They left and she knew why, jealousy.

Yet 50 and 60 days later they can remember Father's day night, swimming, Caylee being tucked in, George seeing Casey and Caylee leave, what they were wearing and what time it was, the pool ladder's exact positioning in or out of the pool and when within a 12 hour period or less, which day and time Casey came to the house and George retrieved the gas cans.

They don't or won't remember a fight occuring, the real reason for a change in family dynamics that weekend into the 16th of June, reasons for the phone calls from Casey not being answered. No calls to a babysitter or kidnapper existing at all.


Great Post- pointing out their talent for selective memory!

robotdog
08-14-2008, 01:10 PM
i think the one question that needs to be asked to the mother is

QUESTION
"uhhh...errrrrrrrr....ahhhhh since we know the babysitter is a pack of lies, where did your daughter stay when you were out clubbing around all those nights ?"

huh ????

answer the freaking question

ANSWER

DEAD SILENCE


:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious:

passin_through
08-14-2008, 01:10 PM
Sorry if this has been answered, I've been out of town and way behind.
Does it seem odd that Amy's resume was in Casey's car? Figured Casey was short on cash and gas. If that gas gauge was so bad (as excuse given) wouldn't Casey and Amy have opted to drive in Amy's car? Anyhow, just found it odd Amy's resume in Casey's car.

hannahsnana
08-14-2008, 01:10 PM
I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I think I remember reading that Lee is married. Does anyone know if this is so? If so, I feel for his wife, she must be mortified.

rngirl513
08-14-2008, 01:10 PM
George gets peeved when reporter asks about theory that Caylee is dead.

because he knows whats really up, you cant hide your true emotions

liltigress
08-14-2008, 01:11 PM
Phil live:

During visit, they looked fatigued. Reports said could see them through the glass window. Still no idea of what was discussed in the visit.

Ack!!!!

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 01:11 PM
Casey wasn't home at 4pm. She has a myspace posting to Amy around that time. This was before Cindy picked her up. Cindy didn't arrive home with Casey until right before 8 o'clock in the evening and George and Lee were there. I think George had just walked into the room, not returned home, during the 911 call. If George did anything to the car it was while Cindy was gone to get Casey or before he arrived home with it that afternoon.

Where was Casey at 4p? She's not with Amy if she's posting on the computer, I would think. How do you know that Cindy and Casey don't meet up as early as 4p?

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 01:11 PM
George gets peeved when reporter asks about theory that Caylee is dead.

I have questions that would make them far madder and far more uncomfortable and none of it has anything to do with Caylee being dead, but it does have to do with the truth.

drip~drop
08-14-2008, 01:12 PM
And Cindy chimes in about a tip coming in at 11pm last night from a woman crying.

If people are actually seeing Caylee, why aren't they calling 911 and attempting to stop them from leaving where ever they are? Even if they are wrong.
Did this person call 911 or the Anthony tip line?:waitasec:

shannon718
08-14-2008, 01:12 PM
I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I think I remember reading that Lee is married. Does anyone know if this is so? If so, I feel for his wife, she must be mortified.

No not married. He has a serious girlfriend named Mallory.

OldSarge
08-14-2008, 01:13 PM
i think the one question that needs to be asked to the mother is

QUESTION
"uhhh...errrrrrrrr....ahhhhh since we know the babysitter is a pack of lies, where did your daughter stay when you were out clubbing around all those nights ?"

huh ????

answer the freaking question

ANSWER

DEAD SILENCE


:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious:

Next Question for Cindy and George:

Did Casey ever ask for MONEY to pay her Nanny?

Clearly Confused
08-14-2008, 01:13 PM
I am sorry, but I have ran over roadkill before many times accidently. Fresh roadkill and rotten roadkill. Not once did it ever leave a stench INSIDE my car. I am not saying it cant. The thought grosses me out thinking of how road kill could get tangled up in your engine. But I know that one winter I had a squirel climb in my engine and it must have died (I felt so bad). Some wild and stray animals do that for warmth. The smell lingered for weeks. But you dont have 32 degree temperatures in Florida to worry about finding warmth. Again, I just think George is just stumbling along with the lies to keep Casey happy. Seems like when he speaks outloud, its a spur of the moment and he gets a bit flustered at times. Then I think later he regrets what he says, because he knows how dumb it sounded when he hears it later. Just my opinion.

I had a cat crawl up in my engine and it was there for about a week until I figured out where the smell was coming from. It was awful but I thought for sure one of the kids stepped in dog poop and it was somewhere on my rug not a dead animal in my engine.

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 01:14 PM
I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I think I remember reading that Lee is married. Does anyone know if this is so? If so, I feel for his wife, she must be mortified.

Fiancee, as far as I know she has been very out of sight.

IrishSweetOne
08-14-2008, 01:14 PM
Cleaning out the trunk?

And let's not forget WASHING CASEY'S CLOTHES !!!!!!!!!!

liltigress
08-14-2008, 01:16 PM
i think the one question that needs to be asked to the mother is

QUESTION
"uhhh...errrrrrrrr....ahhhhh since we know the babysitter is a pack of lies, where did your daughter stay when you were out clubbing around all those nights ?"

huh ????

answer the freaking question

ANSWER

DEAD SILENCE


:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious:


Whuttup Dog? :crazy:

I can just hear that conversation, along with "See, that's just the thing, ummm"...

Spyglass
08-14-2008, 01:16 PM
Cleaning out the trunk?

Right. George, Cindy and Casey should all have been at the house by 4pm. But at about 9pm -- during frantic 911 call -- George is re-entering the picture. Where was he and how long had he been gone? Where was he during first two 911 calls?


Doesn't this timeline of George, Cindy and Casey at home at 4 pm conflict with Cindy report that: she picked Casey up at Tony's; they drove around while she tried to get information from Casey (calmly, Cindy said); and, unsatisied, Cindy then drove to the police substation which had closed (closed at 5:30?). She then called 911.

robotdog
08-14-2008, 01:17 PM
Next Question for Cindy and George:

Did Casey ever ask for MONEY to pay her Nanny?



hehehee.. well she wouldnt really need to ask because she was PRETEND WORKING :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

auntbaby
08-14-2008, 01:17 PM
I'ts a little slow now so, I very much wish that Greta , Nancy or someone would interview the female friends and aquaintances that Casey was around before and after the 16th. The young man on Greta last night kept saying she acted "normal" before and after the three days everyone is looking at now. And I am sure he was being completely truthful ,and no offense to any men anywhere, most men would not pick up on the subtle nuances that most women would. Many times I have seen groups, parties, get togethers, where there was tension between two or more parties, not overt, and most or few males would even be aware and yet it was seen and felt by most women there. Many feel that we are just more attuned to that sort of thing. Perhaps the females would have noticed to a finer degree when she did ,or if she did, act differently. JMH(wish)

Marina2
08-14-2008, 01:17 PM
Where was Casey at 4p? She's not with Amy if she's posting on the computer, I would think. How do you know that Cindy and Casey don't meet up as early as 4p?

Casey was at Tony's posting to Amy. Casey had not been picked up by her mother yet. Cindy has stated when she picked her daughter up at Tony's, when they drove around town trying to find out where Caylee was, when the first call to police station was made, etc. all before they got home that evening right before 8 oclock. Look at the time the first call to police station was made. This is before they got home. About an hour and a half before that is when she picked up Casey.

floridamom
08-14-2008, 01:19 PM
Was the one jail visit recording with George and Casey ever released? I've looked everywhere and haven't seen it.

Blondieskatz
08-14-2008, 01:19 PM
And let's not forget WASHING CASEY'S CLOTHES !!!!!!!!!!

That's right Cindy did that between the 911 calls and police arriving. That's the last thing I would have been doing (washing clothes) if my gd was missing and the police were on the way.

robotdog
08-14-2008, 01:19 PM
Whuttup Dog? :crazy:

I can just hear that conversation, along with "See, that's just the thing, ummm"...

YEP

i dont know any of them in the meeting this morning could actually say anything to each other

she knows they know she killed her daughter

they know that she knows that they dont beleive her

they all know the ship has sailed

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................... .....
i dont do liars - and here is a good reason why

krimekat
08-14-2008, 01:22 PM
Where was Casey at 4p? She's not with Amy if she's posting on the computer, I would think. How do you know that Cindy and Casey don't meet up as early as 4p?

At TonEs (sans Clint as he had moved out 1 Jul)

donnam
08-14-2008, 01:22 PM
That's right Cindy did that between the 911 calls and police arriving. That's the last thing I would have been doing (washing clothes) if my gd was missing and the police were on the way.

Correct me if I am wrong, but, I don't believe she knew yet that Caylee was missing when she washed the clothes.

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 01:23 PM
Casey was at Tony's posting to Amy. Casey had not been picked up by her mother yet. Cindy has stated when she picked her daughter up at Tony's, when they drove around town trying to find out where Caylee was, when the first 911 call was made, etc. all before they got home that evening right before 8 oclock. Look at the time the first 911 call was made. This is before they got home. About an hour and a half before that is when she picked up Casey.

Great. Thanks.

DianeB
08-14-2008, 01:23 PM
Doesn't this timeline of George, Cindy and Casey at home at 4 pm conflict with Cindy report that: she picked Casey up at Tony's; they drove around while she tried to get information from Casey (calmly, Cindy said); and, unsatisied, Cindy then drove to the police substation which had closed (closed at 5:30?). She then called 911.Not if you figure -

mid-afternoon:
George and Cindy pick up the Sunfire from the impound lot, drive home

mid-afternoon:
Casey picks up Amy from the airport in Amy's car, Amy drops her off at Tony's and goes home to Ricardo's house.

late-afternoon:
Casey sends cheerful facebook msg to Amy, who is probably at that moment realizing that her checks are missing and bank account cleaned out. Thanks, Casey!

late-afternoon:
George and Cindy search the Sunfire looking for clues to Casey/Caylee whereabouts. Probably a frantic search since they both smelled decomp but didn't know whose. They find a copy of Amy's resume.

late-afternoon/early evening:
Cindy calls Amy. Amy tells Cindy she knows where Casey is. Cindy drives to Ricardo's to pick up Amy. She directs Cindy to Tony's. Cindy goes into apt and drags Casey out.

early evening:
Cindy drives Amy back to Ricardo's, drives around with Casey trying to get her to give up Caylee's whereabouts, finally drives to substation around 7pm.

Substation closed, first call to 911. Jurisdiction unknown, so she drives home with Casey and the family spend an hour grilling her before the second 911 call is made.

shannon718
08-14-2008, 01:23 PM
Doesn't this timeline of George, Cindy and Casey at home at 4 pm conflict with Cindy report that: she picked Casey up at Tony's; they drove around while she tried to get information from Casey (calmly, Cindy said); and, unsatisied, Cindy then drove to the police substation which had closed (closed at 5:30?). She then called 911.

Casey does NOT have to be home to post on facebook or myspace. She can do either via her mobile phone....or from the computer at Tony's house. I don't believe that Casey was home @ 4:00. Cindy went and dragged her from Tony's after having to track her down like a detective. Then they drove around for a while with Cindy trying to get Casey to produce Caylee. At one Point Cindy states that she wants Casey to take her to Caylee and Casey balks because it is around 7:30 and doesn't want to disturb Caylee's normal naptime.

This clearly shows that Casey was not home at 4:00 p.m....you can make myspace or facebook comments from your cell phone or any computer anywhere.....:blowkiss:

Clearly Confused
08-14-2008, 01:24 PM
I'ts a little slow now so, I very much wish that Greta , Nancy or someone would interview the female friends and aquaintances that Casey was around before and after the 16th. The young man on Greta last night kept saying she acted "normal" before and after the three days everyone is looking at now. And I am sure he was being completely truthful ,and no offense to any men anywhere, most men would not pick up on the subtle nuances that most women would. Many times I have seen groups, parties, get togethers, where there was tension between two or more parties, not overt, and most or few males would even be aware and yet it was seen and felt by most women there. Many feel that we are just more attuned to that sort of thing. Perhaps the females would have noticed to a finer degree when she did ,or if she did, act differently. JMH(wish)

Not my hubby...he is very in tune with all the women around him.(not in that way.;))..he can pick up things faster than me.

rngirl513
08-14-2008, 01:25 PM
I personally think that if there were some grid searches or have Equisearch come in, that this little girl would be found. I think she needs to be asap for any forensic evidence. I believe that she is close around there and that Casey could not have gone that far with her. Wasnt it about --5 gallons or so of gas that she stole from her parents? That wont get someone very far. I mean, she did steal money, but I am sure she needed money to "party" since she wasnt actually employed. She needed to steal to keep up with her lifestyle. The blue dress and hoochie boots had to be bought somehow.

OldSarge
08-14-2008, 01:25 PM
Not if you figure -

mid-afternoon:
George and Cindy pick up the Sunfire from the impound lot, drive home

mid-afternoon:
Casey picks up Amy from the airport in Amy's car, Amy drops her off at Tony's and goes home to Ricardo's house.

late-afternoon:
Casey sends cheerful facebook msg to Amy, who is probably at that moment realizing that her checks are missing and bank account cleaned out. Thanks, Casey!

late-afternoon:
George and Cindy search the Sunfire looking for clues to Casey/Caylee whereabouts. Probably a frantic search since they both smelled decomp but didn't know whose. They find a copy of Amy's resume.

late-afternoon/early evening:
Cindy calls Amy. Amy tells Cindy she knows where Casey is. Cindy drives to Ricardo's to pick up Amy. She directs Cindy to Tony's. Cindy goes into apt and drags Casey out.

early evening:
Cindy drives Amy back to Ricardo's, drives around with Casey trying to get her to give up Caylee's whereabouts, finally drives to substation around 7pm.

Substation closed, first call to 911. Jurisdiction unknown, so she drives home with Casey and the family spend an hour grilling her before the second 911 call is made.

Well Done!

drip~drop
08-14-2008, 01:27 PM
Next Question for Cindy and George:

Did Casey ever ask for MONEY to pay her Nanny?

No no...the $$ came from her job at Universal of course!:bang:

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 01:27 PM
I personally think that if there were some grid searches or have Equisearch come in, that this little girl would be found. I think she needs to be asap for any forensic evidence. I believe that she is close around there and that Casey could not have gone that far with her. Wasnt it about --5 gallons or so of gas that she stole from her parents? That wont get someone very far. I mean, she did steal money, but I am sure she needed money to "party" since she wasnt actually employed. She needed to steal to keep up with her lifestyle. The blue dress and hoochie boots had to be bought somehow.

It is my understanding that members here and with certain organizations offered to the Anthony's to make the introduction to TES and other organizations, offered to set up help with searches, all on their own without a connection to websleuths. They have been offered a spokesperson, they have been offered many things and they have not responded at all or they have declined outright.

shannon718
08-14-2008, 01:28 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but, I don't believe she knew yet that Caylee was missing when she washed the clothes.

She wrote on the myspace on July 3 that caylee had been taken away and she was distraught.

She stated in her first 911 call on the same day that she laundered the pants that she had a "possible missing child" this was before Casey EVER gave it up to Lee that she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Cindy's own written and verbal statements show that she knew that something wasn't right about the absence of Caylee.

IMO She knew enough was AMISS not to launder those pants.

krimekat
08-14-2008, 01:29 PM
Cindy knew Caylee was "missing" per the end of the #1 911 call on 15 Jul (Cindy: My next thing will be child's thing and we'll have a court order to get her if thats what you wanna play. We'll do it and you'll never...{Casey inaudibly talking}Cindy: Well then you have...no I'm not giving you another day. I've given you a month.) but was using it as leverage to get Casey to talk about Caylee. I guess Cindy had not smelled the car as of yet.

MD MOMMY
08-14-2008, 01:55 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576

Marina2
08-14-2008, 01:56 PM
Cindy knew Caylee was "missing" per the end of the #1 911 call on 15 Jul (Cindy: My next thing will be child's thing and we'll have a court order to get her if thats what you wanna play. We'll do it and you'll never...{Casey inaudibly talking}Cindy: Well then you have...no I'm not giving you another day. I've given you a month.) but was using it as leverage to get Casey to talk about Caylee. I guess Cindy had not smelled the car as of yet.

Bold is mine
She must have smelled it if she got Amy's resume out of the car in order to find Casey.

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 01:57 PM
Man! Is everyone else having a hard time with the board????

Marina2
08-14-2008, 01:58 PM
She wrote on the myspace on July 3 that caylee had been taken away and she was distraught.

She stated in her first 911 call on the same day that she laundered the pants that she had a "possible missing child" this was before Casey EVER gave it up to Lee that she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Cindy's own written and verbal statements show that she knew that something wasn't right about the absence of Caylee.

IMO She knew enough was AMISS not to launder those pants.

Or, she knew what was amiss and felt she should launder the pants.

Clearly Confused
08-14-2008, 01:58 PM
Yes, miss lisa..I am too.

housemouse
08-14-2008, 01:58 PM
Yep, having a very hard time getting on.

robotdog
08-14-2008, 01:59 PM
Man! Is everyone else having a hard time with the board????

yes:behindbar

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 01:59 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576

Cindy is smoking some serious crack!

karenmamo
08-14-2008, 02:00 PM
Many times I have seen groups, parties, get togethers, where there was tension between two or more parties, not overt, and most or few males would even be aware and yet it was seen and felt by most women there. Many feel that we are just more attuned to that sort of thing. Perhaps the females would have noticed to a finer degree when she did ,or if she did, act differently. JMH(wish)


Good point!

donnam
08-14-2008, 02:02 PM
She wrote on the myspace on July 3 that caylee had been taken away and she was distraught.

She stated in her first 911 call on the same day that she laundered the pants that she had a "possible missing child" this was before Casey EVER gave it up to Lee that she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Cindy's own written and verbal statements show that she knew that something wasn't right about the absence of Caylee.

IMO She knew enough was AMISS not to launder those pants.

Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMO

shannon718
08-14-2008, 02:02 PM
Cindy is smoking some serious crack!

" a big covert operation?" She needs to turn 24 off and snap back to reality. It's amazing.

KR2tonenow
08-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576

Thanks for the latest update. The Gdma thinks that "somone" has kidnapped the daugther.

Authorities are being very tight lipped.

moxiecrimefighter
08-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576


You've got to be freaking kidding me. Is this from today after they met with Casey?

QuickAttack
08-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Hi, y'all.

Can someone give me a quick run-down on what's going on right now?

Is Cindy in visitation with Casey??

Oh, and Good afternoon!

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576

I know it is not a popular opinion, but I do not find her saying that she believes her daughter to be that odd. They do not have a body yet. They have a daughter sticking her (yes I know total BS) story. No one is going to be jumping up and down to say yes, I have given up all hope and think this is a search for a cadaver at this point. Lets move on to next phase of my life where I have a no granddaughter and start the multi year process of a murder trial.

They are clinging to that 1 in a million chance that Casey really did get herself in trouble and someone has Casey with them. I think it is sad and we are watching the destruction of a family and an ongoing nervous breakdown. Saying yes, clearly Casey is a sociopathic killer and we will never see Caylee again isn't something they are ready to do. They don't have to do it on our schedule and if we were really that tired of them we could stop hanging on every word that come out of their mouths. IMHO

Blondieskatz
08-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576

Was this interview today? What is wrong with these people? Can they not add 2+2? Casey's not talking, she's holding out so there will be nothing left of that baby's body. Didn't they see Clint saying last night that Casey said Caylee was at home during the time she was kidnapped. And why do they need a "covert operation" once they figure out who has Caylee when GA says the kidnappers are being watched? :waitasec:

They need someone to bring them into reality and fast!

shannon718
08-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMO

I don't know what time she washed them...just seems to me that if I haven't seen my grandaughter in a months time than I'm not washing any pants that I have found in my daughters abandoned car that wreaks of a dead body.

Its that simple. IMO

Spyglass
08-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Not if you figure -

mid-afternoon:
George and Cindy pick up the Sunfire from the impound lot, drive home

mid-afternoon:
Casey picks up Amy from the airport in Amy's car, Amy drops her off at Tony's and goes home to Ricardo's house.

late-afternoon:
Casey sends cheerful facebook msg to Amy, who is probably at that moment realizing that her checks are missing and bank account cleaned out. Thanks, Casey!

late-afternoon:
George and Cindy search the Sunfire looking for clues to Casey/Caylee whereabouts. Probably a frantic search since they both smelled decomp but didn't know whose. They find a copy of Amy's resume.

late-afternoon/early evening:
Cindy calls Amy. Amy tells Cindy she knows where Casey is. Cindy drives to Ricardo's to pick up Amy. She directs Cindy to Tony's. Cindy goes into apt and drags Casey out.

early evening:
Cindy drives Amy back to Ricardo's, drives around with Casey trying to get her to give up Caylee's whereabouts, finally drives to substation around 7pm.

Substation closed, first call to 911. Jurisdiction unknown, so she drives home with Casey and the family spend an hour grilling her before the second 911 call is made.

I was responding to Puffster's post that Casey, Cindy, and George were at home at 4 pm. I disagreed with that opinion. There is no discrepancy between what I said and what you are saying. You and I both agree that Casey, Cindy, and George were NOT at home at 4 pm, based on the info we have been given.

ckwood32
08-14-2008, 02:06 PM
Cindy is really delusional.

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 02:06 PM
Man! Is everyone else having a hard time with the board????

I am! Two times I have not been able to access the board because the server was too busy.

I had written a long post and lost it. No problem, tho, because it was just more of my opinion that before this is over and done, IMO, Grandpa George will be arrested for Accessory After the Fact. I think he cleaned out the trunk of the car, disposed of Caylee's body, and advised casey where to park the car and to leave one of her purses on the seat. IMO and my speculation. Casey really may not know where Grandpa took or placed Caylee's body. That just might be the ONE and ONLY truth Casey has told, IMO.

And sure, Cindy had to interrupt Casey on the phone from jail when she asked Cindy, "You don't know what my involvement is in stuff?"

I do not mean to offend anyone with my opinions. I have stated much the same as this several times, and very early on.

I would give anything if Caylee were alive, but I do not believe for a moment that she is.

SelmaClue
08-14-2008, 02:06 PM
I have been thinking about something for the last couple of minutes. During Cindy's last 911 call when she mentions the "car smells like a dead body", Casey was standing right there. I wonder what she thought of that statement? If she knew Caylee was dead in there at some point, wouldn't that have made her VERY nervous???

This is a good point and question, Hailiejade. My thoughts on it: Casey is programmed to know that her mother will always buy her lies. I believe this is what Cindy's taught Casey, based on results. As has been mentioned before here in other threads, Casey has never seen any consequences for telling lies before, which is likely why she continues to lie. She has no incentive to be nervous. She's a princess. It's a theory.
:rolleyes:

karenmamo
08-14-2008, 02:07 PM
You've got to be freaking kidding me. Is this from today after they met with Casey?


No--notice the shirt. This is old, although the site it was on gave today's date.

Leila
08-14-2008, 02:08 PM
It needed to be there to explain the smell.

Was it ever really in the trunk, or even in the backseat, or did it spend most of its afterlife in the Anthony's trash can?

Who knows?

Possibly a gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography-mass_spectrometry).

One of our own posters conducted the pizza test, leaving a few slices of leftover pizza in a car trunk for a week or so in the hot heat of Alabama, which is close to the same weather conditions as Florida. In that experiment the pizza dried out and the was only a faint pizza odor.

Then a local Orlando television news station took the challange and left a pizza in a car trunk for a period of time. They showed the results and again, the pizza was dried out like shoe leather with a faint pizza odor.

I noted that after the local Orlando news station's experiment, there's been no further mention of "rotton pizza."

liltigress
08-14-2008, 02:08 PM
Fox reporting that they just sat down with OCSO and was confirmed again that at this point it is still nothing more than a missing persons case.

shannon718
08-14-2008, 02:09 PM
Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMO

I don't know what time she washed them...just seems to me that if I haven't seen my grandaughter in a months time than I'm not washing any pants that I have found in my daughters abandoned car that wreaks of a dead body.

I also know that if I was interested in helping the police find my grandaughter I would tell them IMMEDIATELY that i washed those pants and not lie about it. Cindy told LE on August 4th that she laundered those pants. A full 19 days into the investigation of Caylee's disappearance. She then LIED about it to the media stating that she told the officers on the day that she called 911. It is clearly stated in the search warrant that she told detectives on August 4th. IMO these actions are suspicious and not those of a person interested in telling the truth.

Its that simple. IMO

shannon718
08-14-2008, 02:10 PM
Fox reporting that they just sat down with OCSO and was confirmed again that at this point it is still nothing more than a missing persons case.

They need the forensics back....then this case will change or remain the same. I say it will change and Casey will be charged. imo

Mendara
08-14-2008, 02:10 PM
Puffster, after picking up the car it was driven home. Cindy found Casey by taking a phone number off a resume of Amy's that was left in the car. She called Amy and Amy took her to Casey. So George had already been home with the car much earlier (prior to Cindy going to get Casey) when he walked in on the third 911 call. Cindy knew how the car smelled before she made the first 911 call...even before she picked up Casey.

yes and she put the puzzle together, missing granddaughter + Lying Daughter + Smell of death in car + no babysitter + no last knwon location + daughter waiting 31 days to report child missing = possible dead granddaughter.

and yet she has now retracted and is talkigna bout covert operations to save Caylee from kidnappers. The big question is why?

liltigress
08-14-2008, 02:11 PM
They need the forensics back....then this case will change or remain the same. I say it will change and Casey will be charged. imo

I have no doubt about that. But I do think even if Casey is presented with solid evidence and proof that she did this, she will still deny it to the end.

Marina2
08-14-2008, 02:12 PM
Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMO
From the time she got Casey to the time of the third 911 call she didn't have the chance to wash them. So it had to be before the first call to the police station or after the last call to 911. I don't think she would have washed them before finding Casey because she wouldn't have known if either one of them were alive and would have wanted to preserve evidence. I dont think she would have washed them after talking to Amy; she probably just flew out the door to go and find Casey. So, to me, that only leaves the time after the last 911 call. But, of course, this is just my opinion. I also feel that Casey told them much more after that last 911 call than Caylee was kidnapped by Zanny.

SelmaClue
08-14-2008, 02:12 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576

Is this a Freudian slip, or did the media misquote:

Cindy Anthony: "Even as innocently as we try to be careful in what we might say that could tip someone off, that might think oh my gosh, we gotta do something to Caylee, our whole focus is on protecting my granddaughter. And Casey's going to protect her to the very end and that's the whole reason she's sitting where she's sitting is because she's protecting Caylee's safety. And I believe that. If she knew where Caylee was at, believe me, we'd have an army going in there. Everybody's volunteered to go find her once we, I mean go get her, once we have the location. So we just have to be patient with the investigation

:eek:

ETA: I wasn't able to view the video. My 'puter doesn't like that website, I guess and I can't reboot at the moment. Did I misunderstand the context of this statement from Cindy??

Mendara
08-14-2008, 02:12 PM
Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMO

Who the flying fletcher WASHES CLOTHES WHEN THEIR GRANDDAUGHTER IS MISSING POSSIBLY KIDNAPPED!!! WHO????

I don't even wash clothes when my favorite show is on tv. THIS STINKS.

wishingtree
08-14-2008, 02:13 PM
Wow, we've all been following this whirling dervish of confusing info for so long that two very good point were made on the first page of this thread alone - one that I had forgotten about and one that I hadn't put together:

From DianeB: (respectfully snipped)
Remember, George pulled one of the deputies aside that evening and told him or her that he believed his daughter was withholding information.

From Marina2: (respectfully snipped) Cindy found Casey by taking a phone number off a resume of Amy's that was left in the car. She called Amy and Amy took her to Casey. So George had already been home with the car much earlier (prior to Cindy going to get Casey) when he walked in on the third 911 call. Cindy knew how the car smelled before she made the first 911 call...even before she picked up Casey.

It seems like GP tried to do the right thing the night the 911 was called, so it seems to me he suspected then that Caylee was likely not alive. Whether he was a homicide cop or not, every police officer I know (granted I live in a big city) has dealt with dead bodies and KNOW the smell is unlike any other. This also would have been before the extent of Casey's lies about working at Universal, the "nanny", etc. had been revealed, but he knew something was amiss before that info came out. So I think then he may have thought the worst. I wonder if he pretends to go along with Casey's story so she won't shut them out since she was so angry with them in the first phone call where she argued with Cindy about her "cameo", or if he is actually going through the stages of grief as mentioned before and is back and forth between denial and anger.

Also, somehow I failed to put 2 and 2 together regarding the fact that Cindy had to have smelled the dead body smell long before the first 911 call since she got Amy's number from the car. (stupid me! :doh: ) That really disturbs me in a whole new way - and I've already been highly disturbed about this for weeks now. I don't understand why the dead body smell didn't cause Cindy's voice to be panicked in the first 911 call like it was in the third. I know she says that by the 3rd call she overheard Casey tell Lee that Caylee had been kidnapped, but it seems the smell in that car would have immediately prompted panic. Most nurses I know also could recognize the smell of death, even if they don't work with it daily because most are exposed to it during their schooling. I'm sorry this is so long - I just feel like an idiot for not putting these things together sooner! Also, Hailiejade makes an excellent point about Casey hearing Cindy talk about the dead body smell in the 911 call. I can only imagine that she went into panic mode realizing that LE was coming and they would realize this too, so she started frantically trying to make up stories to cover herself. Perhaps that is when she started changing the names in her address book (whether it was on her phone or not) that had Juliette and other's names listed with her neighbor's phone numbers. I need to stop - too much is swirling in my mind right now and so much has been already. Can't believe I missed these basics and how much more weight they add to what I've already sadly suspected. Sorry for the very long post! If I need to delete it, please tell me and I will. :confused: :eek:

P.S. Sorry if this was already discussed - I had to pick up a phone call 15 minutes ago and didn't realize my post didn't go through.

robotdog
08-14-2008, 02:13 PM
when she talks about her daughter she is SHAKING her head no

WOWWWWWWWWWWW

total denial but subconsciously she cant deny it
as she is shaking her head in a "no no" style



:behindbar

CRANK

bananajam
08-14-2008, 02:13 PM
george, in the very same breath, states they are going door to door to find caylee and at the same time, the kidnappers are being watched????hello???anybody???

Dr. Pennypacker
08-14-2008, 02:13 PM
Mother maintains daughter's innocent....http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576


crazy, I'm crazy, crazy for feelin' so blue......

liltigress
08-14-2008, 02:14 PM
Is this a Freudian slip, or did the media misquote:

Cindy Anthony: "Even as innocently as we try to be careful in what we might say that could tip someone off, that might think oh my gosh, we gotta do something to Caylee, our whole focus is on protecting my granddaughter. And Casey's going to protect her to the very end and that's the whole reason she's sitting where she's sitting is because she's protecting Caylee's safety. And I believe that. If she knew where Caylee was at, believe me, we'd have an army going in there. Everybody's volunteered to go find her once we, I mean go get her, once we have the location. So we just have to be patient with the investigation

:eek:

That's their way of trying to set up a case for when they do find Caylee, presuming she is dead, they can blame the media for tipping off the kidnappers and the kidnappers then killing Caylee. IMO

moxiecrimefighter
08-14-2008, 02:15 PM
I think that they should just sit Casey down and say, 'Look Ho, you are going to be charged with murder either way - body or no body. So the jig is up - tell us where you put the poor angel so we can give her a proper burial.'

...sorry, I had to put the 'HO' in to entertain myself. This story depresses me so.

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 02:16 PM
From the time she got Casey to the time of the third 911 call she didn't have the chance to wash them. So it had to be before the first call to the police station or after the last call to 911. I don't think she would have washed them before finding Casey because she wouldn't have known if either one of them were alive and would have wanted to preserve evidence. I dont think she would have washed them after talking to Amy; she probably just flew out the door to go and find Casey. So, to me, that only leaves the time after the last 911 call. But, of course, this is just my opinion. I also feel that Casey told them much more after that last 911 call than Caylee was kidnapped by Zanny.


There wasn't much time if any before the end of the 3rd 911 call and the police arriving and seperating them for questioning. I think she washed them before she left to go get Casey, but that is purely conjecture. She didn't know Caylee was missing and unseen by BOTH her and Casey at that point. Her plan was to see Caylee that night come hell or high water. The best laid plans.....

Leila
08-14-2008, 02:16 PM
Casey wasn't home at 4pm. She has a myspace posting to Amy around that time. This was before Cindy picked her up. Cindy didn't arrive home with Casey until right before 8 o'clock in the evening and George and Lee were there. I think George had just walked into the room, not returned home, during the 911 call. If George did anything to the car it was while Cindy was gone to get Casey or before he arrived home with it that afternoon.

Does anyone remember exactly what day it was that George was to go to orientation for his new job, and Cindy explains that she told him to go ahead and go to the orientation, that it wasn't necessary for him to be there at home? It was very near July 15th when this all happened.

jinnimae
08-14-2008, 02:16 PM
Who the flying fletcher WASHES CLOTHES WHEN THEIR GRANDDAUGHTER IS MISSING POSSIBLY KIDNAPPED!!! WHO????

I don't even wash clothes when my favorite show is on tv. THIS STINKS.


You'd be surprised what a grieving grandparent will do to ease the pain. My dear grandson moved 4000 miles away...and I had a choice. I could either sit in bed and cry all day (so boring, so unproductive) or repaint the entire house. I chose painting. Some people chose frantic activity to work thru their problems. I'm not saying Cindy's not daffy, just saying there might have been a good reason for her house being so spotless.

robotdog
08-14-2008, 02:16 PM
COVERT OPERATION ????????????????????????????????????????????


HUH ??????????????????????????????????


goodness gracious, she is tripping over the HIPPPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOOO

the HIPPO is spitting on her and she still doesnt see it

poor woman :behindbar

Mendara
08-14-2008, 02:17 PM
Is this a Freudian slip, or did the media misquote:

Cindy Anthony: "Even as innocently as we try to be careful in what we might say that could tip someone off, that might think oh my gosh, we gotta do something to Caylee, our whole focus is on protecting my granddaughter. And Casey's going to protect her to the very end and that's the whole reason she's sitting where she's sitting is because she's protecting Caylee's safety. And I believe that. If she knew where Caylee was at, believe me, we'd have an army going in there. Everybody's volunteered to go find her once we, I mean go get her, once we have the location. So we just have to be patient with the investigation

:eek:

ETA: I wasn't able to view the video. My 'puter doesn't like that website, I guess and I can't reboot at the moment. Did I misunderstand the context of this statement from Cindy??

She meant that the KIDNAPPER would say that to themselves, like they heard the Anthony's say something about a tip they got about them and so NOW THEY HAVE TO KILL CAYLEE because of what they heard them say on tv.

but I don't think kidnappers say "OH MY GOSH".

Dr. Pennypacker
08-14-2008, 02:18 PM
And Casey's going to protect her to the very end
as she is saying this she is moving her head from side to side (signaling NO she' s not)

bananajam
08-14-2008, 02:18 PM
are'nt we all so busy sorting through lies that we cant see the truth? Its brilliant on the anthony's part imo...and also very sad.

IrishSweetOne
08-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMO

The car smelled like a " dam dead body " was was in it . At this point when the car was picked up Cindy DID NOT KNOW where Casey or Caylee was . Both George and Cindy admit that the car smelled of a dead body .

Based on Cindy's interview she claims she took the clothes out of the car BEFORE she went to get Casey .

http://www.wesh.com/video/17190671/index.html

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 02:19 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-c...,5486200.story
Orange County investigators stepped in Wednesday to douse rumors circulating in the Caylee Marie Anthony disappearance, saying if it doesn't come from them, it's not true.

Sheriff's officials would not comment on whether they think the child was kidnapped but said if there were information that led them to believe she had been abducted, they would alert the public.

http://www.necn.com/category/32/15576
Cindy Anthony: "Even as innocently as we try to be careful in what we might say that could tip someone off, that might think oh my gosh, we gotta do something to Caylee, our whole focus is on protecting my granddaughter. And Casey's going to protect her to the very end and that's the whole reason she's sitting where she's sitting is because she's protecting Caylee's safety. And I believe that. If she knew where Caylee was at, believe me, we'd have an army going in there. Everybody's volunteered to go find her once we, I mean go get her, once we have the location. So we just have to be patient with the investigation
and eventually we'll be taking that army in together."
"I don't think you're ever going to have a massive search where you're going to go door to door. I think what it's gonna be is someone, one of those tips is gonna say hey, I know exactly where she's at and then it's probably going to be a very covert operation, I would hope."

How can these people keep spouting this nonsense?

robotdog
08-14-2008, 02:20 PM
And Casey's going to protect her to the very end
as she is saying this she is moving her head from side to side (signaling NO she' s not)

yes, i saw that and just posted it

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

what webs they are weaving, im concerned for their own mental health

wishingtree
08-14-2008, 02:20 PM
She meant that the KIDNAPPER would say that to themselves, like they heard the Anthony's say something about a tip they got about them and so NOW THEY HAVE TO KILL CAYLEE because of what they heard them say on tv.

but I don't think kidnappers say "OH MY GOSH".

Exactly. I also think "kidnappers" would have already decided to do something "to" Caylee based on the Anthonys' own comments about knowing who they are and that they are being watched. What worse could be said to set them off than that?

DianeB
08-14-2008, 02:22 PM
Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMOCould have been. It's likely Cindy grabbed the pants from the floor of the back seat at the time she and George were searching the car.

She could have thrown them in the washing machine at any time after that. I don't think she would have realized at the time she was tampering with potential evidence, even with the decomp smell, and even if they were washed after she learned Caylee was missing.

That pair of pants is more significant than other clothing only if the fibers contain evidence of Caylee's death, putting her mother in proximity to a dead body.

On July 15th, Cindy may not have been aware that Caylee was dead. Even if she did know this, she may not have known that those pants could be evidence.

George should have known. But he may not even have known that Cindy washed them.

Dr. Pennypacker
08-14-2008, 02:22 PM
yes, i saw that and just posted it

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

what webs they are weaving, im concerned for their own mental health

I'm right there with you robotdog!!

Sliver
08-14-2008, 02:23 PM
I have no doubt about that. But I do think even if Casey is presented with solid evidence and proof that she did this, she will still deny it to the end.

A snip from Peoples Magazine...

According to detectives, several friends described Casey as a "habitual liar." One friend described to People an incident when a teenage Casey was walking her dog, which relieved itself on a neighbor's lawn. When the neighbor protested, Casey said the dog wasn't hers. "She was caught red-handed with the dog on a leash, and she was like,'It's not mine,'" the friend told People.

Yes from what she has already done and said, she could probably look you in the eye and tell you anything that was not the truth and be just fine with it.

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 02:24 PM
COVERT OPERATION ????????????????????????????????????????????


HUH ??????????????????????????????????


goodness gracious, she is tripping over the HIPPPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOOO

the HIPPO is spitting on her and she still doesnt see it

poor woman :behindbar

LOL, robotdog!!!!
That poor HIPPO is gonna die of old age before he gets noticed!!!!!

(I agree with you!)

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 02:25 PM
I withdraw the theory that Casey was home at 4pm -- I understand she was at Tony's and arrived home much later. It seems as though George and Cindy went into overdrive -- by instinct or design -- soon after learning that Caylee was in trouble. I've listened to the 911 calls and as best as I can tried to listen closly to the background. When Cindy threatens to go to child services/court and says "if you want to play that game" Casey says "I don't want to play that game". During the 3rd frantic call -- when Cindy is asked Caylee's skin color -- you can hear Casey say something in the background (probablys sarcastic comment). Casey also speaks to George, while Cindy is spewing information, Casey tries to intervene, to get ahead of Cindy in telling the story -in her own, calm tone. (Caylee's is missing, she's with the babysitter). When Cindy asks Casey to get on the phone with police -- I think Casey says "ok give me the phone, let me talk to them". And when the dispatcher asks her what's going on over there -- Casey is like -- what? excuse me? -- as if she can't imagine what it is that the dispatcher could possibly be talking about. She's amazingly calm -- like -- why does everybody have their panties in a bunch,chill folks.

Blondieskatz
08-14-2008, 02:25 PM
Maybe they should watch the news clip from the day before so they know what they said. Yesterday George says kidnappers being watched, today Cindy says if they knew where Caylee was they'd have an army go in and get her.

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 02:26 PM
Ok guys I know that Lee hasn't been missing for 31 days yet but can we more pro active than Casey was and go ahead and fill out a missing persons report???

shannon718
08-14-2008, 02:26 PM
Could have been. It's likely Cindy grabbed the pants from the floor of the back seat at the time she and George were searching the car.

She could have thrown them in the washing machine at any time after that. I don't think she would have realized at the time she was tampering with potential evidence, even with the decomp smell, and even if they were washed after she learned Caylee was missing.

That pair of pants is more significant than other clothing only if the fibers contain evidence of Caylee's death, putting her mother in proximity to a dead body.

On July 15th, Cindy may not have been aware that Caylee was dead. Even if she did know this, she may not have known that those pants could be evidence.

George should have known. But he may not even have known that Cindy washed them.

But Diane:

As I posted on the last page:

I don't know what time she washed them...just seems to me that if I haven't seen my grandaughter in a months time than I'm not washing any pants that I have found in my daughters abandoned car that wreaks of a dead body.

I also know that if I was interested in helping the police find my grandaughter I would tell them IMMEDIATELY that i washed those pants and not lie about it. Cindy told LE on August 4th that she laundered those pants. A full 19 days into the investigation of Caylee's disappearance. She then LIED about it to the media stating that she told the officers on the day that she called 911. It is clearly stated in the search warrant that she told detectives on August 4th. IMO these actions are suspicious and not those of a person interested in telling the truth.

Its that simple. IMO
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I do think this is when she started to cover up evidence. It just doesn't sit right with me that she lied....yet again.

donnam
08-14-2008, 02:27 PM
I don't know what time she washed them...just seems to me that if I haven't seen my grandaughter in a months time than I'm not washing any pants that I have found in my daughters abandoned car that wreaks of a dead body.

Its that simple. IMO

With this I agree. First it wouldn't go a month without me seeing her. Second, I wouldn't wash the clothes, I might throw them out though if they smelled that bad.
My opinion is only, that i don't believe she washed them to "wash away evidence", nor really thought she was washing evidence away.
I respect your opinion and will just agree to disagree on this part.

DianeB
08-14-2008, 02:27 PM
Fox reporting that they just sat down with OCSO and was confirmed again that at this point it is still nothing more than a missing persons case.Would the state attorney present FBI-generated evidence to a grand jury before providing it to the local sheriff's office, or would the FBI give it to local LE to be given to the prosecutors?

gigi2009
08-14-2008, 02:28 PM
Not if you figure -

mid-afternoon:
George and Cindy pick up the Sunfire from the impound lot, drive home

mid-afternoon:
Casey picks up Amy from the airport in Amy's car, Amy drops her off at Tony's and goes home to Ricardo's house.

late-afternoon:
Casey sends cheerful facebook msg to Amy, who is probably at that moment realizing that her checks are missing and bank account cleaned out. Thanks, Casey!

late-afternoon:
George and Cindy search the Sunfire looking for clues to Casey/Caylee whereabouts. Probably a frantic search since they both smelled decomp but didn't know whose. They find a copy of Amy's resume.

late-afternoon/early evening:
Cindy calls Amy. Amy tells Cindy she knows where Casey is. Cindy drives to Ricardo's to pick up Amy. She directs Cindy to Tony's. Cindy goes into apt and drags Casey out.

early evening:
Cindy drives Amy back to Ricardo's, drives around with Casey trying to get her to give up Caylee's whereabouts, finally drives to substation around 7pm.

Substation closed, first call to 911. Jurisdiction unknown, so she drives home with Casey and the family spend an hour grilling her before the second 911 call is made.


On July 15th ( I don't know if it was before or after Casey picks up Amy)
Casey sent her friend a text message about Caylee being missing for 31 days.

"Schieber said she thought it was a joke when Anthony sent her a July 15 text message, telling her that she had not seen Caylee in 31 days."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/news/winterpark/orl-casey0908aug09,0,7879578.story

How bizarre.

blondietx
08-14-2008, 02:28 PM
george, in the very same breath, states they are going door to door to find caylee and at the same time, the kidnappers are being watched????hello???anybody???

OMG...LOL!

I did hear him say that but did not "catch" it until now! That is just too much. That's it, I've definitely decided that no one is home!! (In George's head that is) JMO!

Marina2
08-14-2008, 02:29 PM
There wasn't much time if any before the end of the 3rd 911 call and the police arriving and seperating them for questioning. I think she washed them before she left to go get Casey, but that is purely conjecture. She didn't know Caylee was missing and unseen by BOTH her and Casey at that point. Her plan was to see Caylee that night come hell or high water. The best laid plans.....

That is true...didn't think about the time between the police arriving and the last 911 call. Maybe they weren't washed until after the police left. George may have taken everything out of the car when he got home and she may have not even known about the pants until later. I just can't see her stopping to do laundry in the middle of trying to find Casey. I can see her finding the number, or George giving it to her, calling Amy and then flying out the door to Amy's house. At any rate, finding out when and who really washed them would go far in determining a motive for doing so if one does exist.

Dr. Pennypacker
08-14-2008, 02:30 PM
Orange County investigators stepped in Wednesday to douse rumors circulating in the Caylee Marie Anthony disappearance, saying if it doesn't come from them, it's not true.
In other words don't believe a single thing The Antonys say unless LE is in agreement with it and has released the same information.

shannon718
08-14-2008, 02:30 PM
snipped from puff:

Casey is like -- what? excuse me? -- as if she can't imagine what it is that the dispatcher could possibly be talking about. She's amazingly calm

This is her trying to think of what she is going to say this dispatcher...this is her stalling because she knows that the S*** is hitting the fan....

bananajam
08-14-2008, 02:31 PM
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=421256559

check this out...

shannon718
08-14-2008, 02:31 PM
snipped from puff:

Casey is like -- what? excuse me? -- as if she can't imagine what it is that the dispatcher could possibly be talking about. She's amazingly calm

This is her trying to think of what she is going to say this dispatcher...this is her stalling because she knows that the S*** is hitting the fan....

Mendara
08-14-2008, 02:32 PM
:clap:Ok guys I know that Lee hasn't been missing for 31 days yet but can we more pro active than Casey was and go ahead and fill out a missing persons report???
:clap:

liltigress
08-14-2008, 02:33 PM
A snip from Peoples Magazine...

According to detectives, several friends described Casey as a "habitual liar." One friend described to People an incident when a teenage Casey was walking her dog, which relieved itself on a neighbor's lawn. When the neighbor protested, Casey said the dog wasn't hers. "She was caught red-handed with the dog on a leash, and she was like,'It's not mine,'" the friend told People.

Yes from what she has already done and said, she could probably look you in the eye and tell you anything that was not the truth and be just fine with it.

Isn't that something? I remember reading about that. She is a professional liar and doesn't seem to think twice about what she's telling. But... I don't think she believes her own lies enough to pass a lie detector.

Shutterfly
08-14-2008, 02:39 PM
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=421256559

check this out...


Wow........

liltigress
08-14-2008, 02:41 PM
Would the state attorney present FBI-generated evidence to a grand jury before providing it to the local sheriff's office, or would the FBI give it to local LE to be given to the prosecutors?

I would think FBI evidence would be fully shared with local LE before anything since local LE is heading the investigation.

Lanie
08-14-2008, 02:44 PM
Wow, we've all been following this whirling dervish of confusing info for so long that two very good point were made on the first page of this thread alone - one that I had forgotten about and one that I hadn't put together:



I could have easily missed it, but to my knowledge, it hasn't been put out there exactly who was where and when.

Here's my hypothetical situation of what could have happened.

GPs are fed up when they find out the car is impounded. GM takes GP to impound lot and drops him off. GM then begins the hunt for Casey. Meanwhile, GP, if necessary, does whatever to get the car running, and takes it home. GP notices foul odor, but doesn't at that point think dead body, as it is out of context. Maybe on the way home he notices resume in car, or after he gets home, and he calls GM and gives her Amy's #. He then cleans out the car in an attempt to locate and dispose of whatever is causing the bad odor. He removes trash and all other things from car, including slacks. GM does her thing, gets Casey, drives around, 911 calls, etc., then goes home. Sees slacks, notices faint bad smell, and throws them in the wash. Mentions to GP smell of pants, he tells her smell of car, then she finds out Caylee is REALLY missing, goes to car, smells odor stronger, makes connection between odor and Caylee missing, and makes final 911 call.
JMO
Lanie

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 02:45 PM
Bold is mine
She must have smelled it if she got Amy's resume out of the car in order to find Casey.

Agreed, plus, remember that during the Myspace posting July 15:

July 15 Casey's facebook post to Amy
Casey Anthony wrote
at 4:02pm on July 15th, 2008
so glad you're home.
i better not see you online.
life is on hold until tomorrow
----------------------------------
(Emphasis added.)
So, it's pretty clear to me that when Casey posted to Amy at 4:02 p.m. she already knew she had a problem and wouldn't be free to play with her friends until the next day...but little did she know that it was the same friend she was posting to, AMY, who led her mama, Cindy, to where she was crashing: Tony's... As it has been stated, if Amy's phone number was located in that car that smelled like there'd been a dead body in it, you can bet Cindy and George knew they had a problem on their hands...and judging by the language Casey used in her post to Amy, seems to me that Casey had already received frantic/pissed phone calls, text &/or voice messages from her parent(s)... and we all know that Cindy showed up soon thereafter to haul her out of Tony's...

Marina2
08-14-2008, 02:46 PM
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=421256559

check this out...

awwwwwww...
He was so happy to find those pictures. Those people really do love Caylee.

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 02:46 PM
Man! Is everyone else having a hard time with the board????

got a lof of lurkers, + tons members signed in...really slowing us down???

Girlrilla
08-14-2008, 02:47 PM
Interesting blog by David Lohr - Crime Writer for Investigative Discovery

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/psychic-seeking.html#more

I find it interesting that he says NO psychic has ever led police to a body or a missing person. Is that true? I thought Gale St. John claimed she actually has found bodies before, but isn't always successful.

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 02:48 PM
Hi, y'all.

Can someone give me a quick run-down on what's going on right now?

Is Cindy in visitation with Casey??

Oh, and Good afternoon!

Good afternoon to you, too. I managed to stay offline today until now...

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 02:49 PM
I was responding to Puffster's post that Casey, Cindy, and George were at home at 4 pm. I disagreed with that opinion. There is no discrepancy between what I said and what you are saying. You and I both agree that Casey, Cindy, and George were NOT at home at 4 pm, based on the info we have been given.

Agreed - we're all on the same page.

DianeB
08-14-2008, 02:49 PM
But Diane:

As I posted on the last page:

I don't know what time she washed them...just seems to me that if I haven't seen my grandaughter in a months time than I'm not washing any pants that I have found in my daughters abandoned car that wreaks of a dead body.

I also know that if I was interested in helping the police find my grandaughter I would tell them IMMEDIATELY that i washed those pants and not lie about it. Cindy told LE on August 4th that she laundered those pants. A full 19 days into the investigation of Caylee's disappearance. She then LIED about it to the media stating that she told the officers on the day that she called 911. It is clearly stated in the search warrant that she told detectives on August 4th. IMO these actions are suspicious and not those of a person interested in telling the truth.

Its that simple. IMO
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I do think this is when she started to cover up evidence. It just doesn't sit right with me that she lied....yet again.I'm with you on the coverup.

She stated emphatically that she notified the five deputies who responded to her house that she had washed the pants, and that they told her it was unimportant and weren't interested in retrieving them.

The subsequent search warrant completely contradicts this.

I'm willing to give her the cluelessness benefit of the doubt on washing them, but not on fabricating that whole "they weren't interested" fable.

krimekat
08-14-2008, 02:49 PM
got a lof of lurkers, + tons members signed in...really slowing us down???

Can't the MODs shut it down to only the accepted posters?

SelmaClue
08-14-2008, 02:50 PM
She meant that the KIDNAPPER would say that to themselves, like they heard the Anthony's say something about a tip they got about them and so NOW THEY HAVE TO KILL CAYLEE because of what they heard them say on tv.

but I don't think kidnappers say "OH MY GOSH".

No chit! I mean geez, they've already said the darn kidnapper's NAME. If it's not a made-up name, the Anthonys already have put the child in harm's way.

Oh, what the h3ll am I talkin' about here?!
It's all b.s. and most of us agree that it's all b.s.

Poor little baby.
:(

tx_Dot
08-14-2008, 02:50 PM
Do we actually know what time she washed the clothes?
Seems to me it was BEFORE the first 911 cal was made and before she found Casey. That's the impression I get anyway. Yes, she was distraught at Caylee being "taken away", not about her "missing".
Yes she washed the clothes because they "smelled like the car", but as I have said, I believe this was before she KNEW Caylee was missing and before she talked to Casey. JMO

Do we know if Cindy worked 7/15, or what time she got off ??

Maybe George had already started the car clean-up by the time she got home ?? (pile of clothes here, pile of papers here...etc.)

*If* I just found my car had been towed weeks ago, my first thought would be to locate my kid that was driving it....(I wonder if one of the GP's phone will show a 'frenzy' of calls looking for Casey on the 15th).

Marina2
08-14-2008, 02:51 PM
Chezhire, the statement she makes "Life is on hold until tomorrow" also shows that she felt as if she was going to lie and manipulate her way out of this one too. Guess she got fooled. Her life is still on hold.

Girlrilla
08-14-2008, 02:51 PM
Can't the MODs shut it down to only the accepted posters?

Who are the accepted posters? :waitasec:

You mean force people to log in to view the forum? They could, but no idea if they'd want to do that.

Shutterfly
08-14-2008, 02:53 PM
Who are the accepted posters? :waitasec:

You mean force people to log in to view the forum? They could, but no idea if they'd want to do that.

At this rate we're going to need a bigger server....again. Poor Tricia, she must be pulling her hair out!

Fandy
08-14-2008, 02:53 PM
Can't the MODs shut it down to only the accepted posters?

I lurked for 2 weeks before I registered, what about you?

DianeB
08-14-2008, 02:54 PM
Agreed, plus, remember that during the Myspace posting July 15:

July 15 Casey's facebook post to Amy
Casey Anthony wrote
at 4:02pm on July 15th, 2008
so glad you're home.
i better not see you online.
life is on hold until tomorrow
----------------------------------
(Emphasis added.)
So, it's pretty clear to me that when Casey posted to Amy at 4:02 p.m. she already knew she had a problem and wouldn't be free to play with her friends until the next day...but little did she know that it was the same friend she was posting to, AMY, who led her mama, Cindy, to where she was crashing: Tony's... As it has been stated, if Amy's phone number was located in that car that smelled like there'd been a dead body in it, you can bet Cindy and George knew they had a problem on their hands...and judging by the language Casey used in her post to Amy, seems to me that Casey had already received frantic/pissed phone calls, text &/or voice messages from her parent(s)... and we all know that Cindy showed up soon thereafter to haul her out of Tony's...

You think? I read the "I better not see you online" as Casey having every intention of continuing to be online herself.

wishingtree
08-14-2008, 02:55 PM
I lurked for 2 weeks before I registered, what about you?

I did because I had a hard time getting registered due to my email address. My fiance and I had never used the email account assigned to us by our service provider, so it took me a little while to track it down so I could get my registration accepted. I was very glad to be able to view the information during that waiting time. :)

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 02:56 PM
LE has by now enhanced the 911 calls and knows what was being said in the background. It will be interesting if anything of note was said!!

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 02:56 PM
Wow, we've all been following this whirling dervish of confusing info for so long that two very good point were made on the first page of this thread alone - one that I had forgotten about and one that I hadn't put together:

From DianeB: (respectfully snipped)
Remember, George pulled one of the deputies aside that evening and told him or her that he believed his daughter was withholding information.

From Marina2: (respectfully snipped) Cindy found Casey by taking a phone number off a resume of Amy's that was left in the car. She called Amy and Amy took her to Casey. So George had already been home with the car much earlier (prior to Cindy going to get Casey) when he walked in on the third 911 call. Cindy knew how the car smelled before she made the first 911 call...even before she picked up Casey.

It seems like GP tried to do the right thing the night the 911 was called, so it seems to me he suspected then that Caylee was likely not alive. Whether he was a homicide cop or not, every police officer I know (granted I live in a big city) has dealt with dead bodies and KNOW the smell is unlike any other. This also would have been before the extent of Casey's lies about working at Universal, the "nanny", etc. had been revealed, but he knew something was amiss before that info came out. So I think then he may have thought the worst. I wonder if he pretends to go along with Casey's story so she won't shut them out since she was so angry with them in the first phone call where she argued with Cindy about her "cameo", or if he is actually going through the stages of grief as mentioned before and is back and forth between denial and anger.

Also, somehow I failed to put 2 and 2 together regarding the fact that Cindy had to have smelled the dead body smell long before the first 911 call since she got Amy's number from the car. (stupid me! :doh: ) That really disturbs me in a whole new way - and I've already been highly disturbed about this for weeks now. I don't understand why the dead body smell didn't cause Cindy's voice to be panicked in the first 911 call like it was in the third. I know she says that by the 3rd call she overheard Casey tell Lee that Caylee had been kidnapped, but it seems the smell in that car would have immediately prompted panic. Most nurses I know also could recognize the smell of death, even if they don't work with it daily because most are exposed to it during their schooling. I'm sorry this is so long - I just feel like an idiot for not putting these things together sooner! Also, Hailiejade makes an excellent point about Casey hearing Cindy talk about the dead body smell in the 911 call. I can only imagine that she went into panic mode realizing that LE was coming and they would realize this too, so she started frantically trying to make up stories to cover herself. Perhaps that is when she started changing the names in her address book (whether it was on her phone or not) that had Juliette and other's names listed with her neighbor's phone numbers. I need to stop - too much is swirling in my mind right now and so much has been already. Can't believe I missed these basics and how much more weight they add to what I've already sadly suspected. Sorry for the very long post! If I need to delete it, please tell me and I will. :confused: :eek:

P.S. Sorry if this was already discussed - I had to pick up a phone call 15 minutes ago and didn't realize my post didn't go through.


no, not stupid you. it's a disturbing case for all of us, that's why we're constantly wracking our brains trying to figure out what happened to that precious little girl. i've been wondering for weeks now HOW Cindy sounded so darn calm in the first 2 911 calls, when she darn well knew, as she put it, "smells like there's been a dead body in there," but doesn't get frantic until the 3 911 call... she knows it isn't casey (because she's trying to wring the truth out of casey) so who else's body but caylee's does she think's been in there??? unless you buy the suggested casey-to-mom-story "i saw something bad, i wasn't supposed to see, they took caylee as a result, blah, blah, blah..." :confused:

krimekat
08-14-2008, 02:56 PM
I lurked for 2 weeks before I registered, what about you?

I was here for the Scott Peterson case; however I became so frustrated with the server issues; i.e., locking up & not allowing my post after being accepted as a poster, I quit using the site. But, I knew they'd be on the ball for this case. MODs, if you have server space issues, please let me know. I have access to a HUGE server farm!!!

Leila
08-14-2008, 02:56 PM
I'ts a little slow now so, I very much wish that Greta , Nancy or someone would interview the female friends and aquaintances that Casey was around before and after the 16th. The young man on Greta last night kept saying she acted "normal" before and after the three days everyone is looking at now. And I am sure he was being completely truthful ,and no offense to any men anywhere, most men would not pick up on the subtle nuances that most women would. Many times I have seen groups, parties, get togethers, where there was tension between two or more parties, not overt, and most or few males would even be aware and yet it was seen and felt by most women there. Many feel that we are just more attuned to that sort of thing. Perhaps the females would have noticed to a finer degree when she did ,or if she did, act differently. JMH(wish)


I remember that back at the very beginning of this case, Cindy's MySpace page had something on it stating that no one was to speak to the media without going through them. I think that may be one reason why we haven't heard from Casey's friends.

The interview with Clint last night gave us a lot of insight, and I felt he was very up front about his his observations. He didn't want to get into speculation or talk about other people's observations. I agree that interviews with some of Casey's female friends might give some insight into the time after June 15th - Father's Day.

suspicious mind
08-14-2008, 02:57 PM
OK so I have been thinking about this..according to Casey, she cannot release the details of whomever has Caylee, and why they have her. So she gives the fake info (Zenaida at Sawgrass) to protect Caylee, and that is her excuse as to why she lied. So following that thought, and going on the premise that her parents believe her and her story about kidnappers…then I want to ask why then, are we still looking for the "right" Zenieda (now this is according to many statements, both Cindy and Casey have made. That they have been telling LE all along it is the wrong ZG. So they cannot have it both ways, was it Zenaida, or was it the unknown kidnappers Casey is protecting? If they are saying it was ZG, then Casey's claim she is silent about the details to save Caylee is wrong, because she did give out info, only wrong info.. Does anybody see the logic in this?

krimekat
08-14-2008, 02:57 PM
You think? I read the "I better not see you online" as Casey having every intention of continuing to be online herself.

I think Casey was just being nice to her "friend" who just arrive back in the USA from a vacation and probably needed to rest. I have been wasting way too much time online the past few weeks -- Thanks, Casey!!! Just let us know where Caylee is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

krimekat
08-14-2008, 02:58 PM
I lurked for 2 weeks before I registered, what about you?

I love your kitties -- is the middle one a real cat? Her neck is skinny!!

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 02:58 PM
The car smelled like a " dam dead body " was was in it . At this point when the car was picked up Cindy DID NOT KNOW where Casey or Caylee was . Both George and Cindy admit that the car smelled of a dead body .

Based on Cindy's interview she claims she took the clothes out of the car BEFORE she went to get Casey .

http://www.wesh.com/video/17190671/index.html

the point WSers have been trying to make, i think, is that by the time she had gotten a handle on where casey was (from talking to Amy) and was going to get casey, allof which was before ANY of the 911 calls, she knew casey was alive...

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 02:58 PM
I lurked for 2 weeks before I registered, what about you?

I read this board for 2 years before I could register because I have had AOL for 12 years!

I finally BEGGED the mods to let me join!

krimekat
08-14-2008, 02:59 PM
LE has by now enhanced the 911 calls and knows what was being said in the background. It will be interesting if anything of note was said!!

Which calls? #1 (Casey & Cindy driving), #2 (Casey & Cindy driving), #3 (Casey & Cindy & George possibly Lee at Home)

DianeB
08-14-2008, 03:00 PM
OK so I have been thinking about this..according to Casey, she cannot release the details of whomever has Caylee, and why they have her. So she gives the fake info (Zenaida at Sawgrass) to protect Caylee, and that is her excuse as to why she lied. So following that thought, and going on the premise that her parents believe her and her story about kidnappers…then I want to ask why then, are we still looking for the "right" Zenieda (now this is according to many statements, both Cindy and Casey have made. That they have been telling LE all along it is the wrong ZG. So they cannot have it both ways, was it Zenaida, or was it the unknown kidnappers Casey is protecting? If they are saying it was ZG, then Casey's claim she is silent about the details to save Caylee is wrong, because she did give out info, only wrong info.. Does anybody see the logic in this?What's the point of Casey being out on the street so she can "find" the kidnappers?

Why couldn't she simply tell her lawyer where to look so he can send the PI's there?

Now that I think about it, she probably has. Lot of good that did.

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:00 PM
Could have been. It's likely Cindy grabbed the pants from the floor of the back seat at the time she and George were searching the car.

She could have thrown them in the washing machine at any time after that. I don't think she would have realized at the time she was tampering with potential evidence, even with the decomp smell, and even if they were washed after she learned Caylee was missing.

That pair of pants is more significant than other clothing only if the fibers contain evidence of Caylee's death, putting her mother in proximity to a dead body.

On July 15th, Cindy may not have been aware that Caylee was dead. Even if she did know this, she may not have known that those pants could be evidence.

George should have known. But he may not even have known that Cindy washed them.

Agreed, with the exception that I think that she knew there was a dead body in the trunk BEFORE she picked up Casey, she picked up Casey from Tony's, they drove around looking for Caylee, etc., all BEFORE any of the 3 911 calls were made, then she sounds all calm and normal in the first 2 calls, but is frantic in the last one...it's like she clicked in the middle of those calls that her missing GD was really MISSING and MAYBE DECEASED. :(

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:01 PM
I think casey was just being nice to her friend who just arrive back in the USA from a vacation. I have been wasting way too much time online the past few weeks -- Thanks, Casey!!! Just let us know where Caylee is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No she just giving her a sweet kiss before she knew she got screwed!

BloodHoundSleuther
08-14-2008, 03:01 PM
I did because I had a hard time getting registered due to my email address. My fiance and I had never used the email account assigned to us by our service provider, so it took me a little while to track it down so I could get my registration accepted. I was very glad to be able to view the information during that waiting time. :)


I had the exact same problem. I've never tried to register for a site that would only accept internet service provider e-mail accounts. Howver, it was nice to be able to read up on everything even though I couldn't post a comment.

SuziQ
08-14-2008, 03:01 PM
Just got back and catching up. Interesting video where George screamed at the media. IMO, George and Cindy will believe the kidnapping story for the rest of their lives.

Now I'm going back to reading and catching up.

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:03 PM
I read this board for 2 years before I could register because I have had AOL for 12 years!

I finally BEGGED the mods to let me join!

I have lurked since JonBenet Ramsey

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 03:03 PM
I think Casey was just being nice to her "friend" who just arrive back in the USA from a vacation and probably needed to rest. I have been wasting way too much time online the past few weeks -- Thanks, Casey!!! Just let us know where Caylee is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, but Casey had stolen money and checks from AMY. At what point did Amy find this out? And why would Casey even tell her that she'd better not see her online "tonight"? Makes no sense!

Leila
08-14-2008, 03:04 PM
Not if you figure -

mid-afternoon:
George and Cindy pick up the Sunfire from the impound lot, drive home

mid-afternoon:
Casey picks up Amy from the airport in Amy's car, Amy drops her off at Tony's and goes home to Ricardo's house.

late-afternoon:
Casey sends cheerful facebook msg to Amy, who is probably at that moment realizing that her checks are missing and bank account cleaned out. Thanks, Casey!

late-afternoon:
George and Cindy search the Sunfire looking for clues to Casey/Caylee whereabouts. Probably a frantic search since they both smelled decomp but didn't know whose. They find a copy of Amy's resume.

late-afternoon/early evening:
Cindy calls Amy. Amy tells Cindy she knows where Casey is. Cindy drives to Ricardo's to pick up Amy. She directs Cindy to Tony's. Cindy goes into apt and drags Casey out.

early evening:
Cindy drives Amy back to Ricardo's, drives around with Casey trying to get her to give up Caylee's whereabouts, finally drives to substation around 7pm.

Substation closed, first call to 911. Jurisdiction unknown, so she drives home with Casey and the family spend an hour grilling her before the second 911 call is made.

A thought just occurred to me. I wonder if LE has subpoenaed the cellphone records of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony? I would think it would be helpful to the time line to establish who called who, when, and how long those calls were.

Did Cindy call George and tell him she had located Casey, but that Caylee was with the babysitter?

robotdog
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
i have been lurking for severl dozen years


( dog years )


:crazy:

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
Which calls? #1 (Casey & Cindy driving), #2 (Casey & Cindy driving), #3 (Casey & Cindy & George possibly Lee at Home)

The last 911 call made from the Anthony home are the ones I am referrring to. The ones with the talking in the background.

edgeofnight
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
There must be one friend or family member who can take Cindy and George aside, here is the number of a great psychiatrist, please call STAT. Then I start thinking that maybe the nonsense they are saying is because Casey is dangling some info over her parents that they absolutly don't want anyone to know.

TonyGatto
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
When does Lee arrive at the house on July 15? I seem to remember from reporting early on that it was a conversation with Lee that Casey had that got the info out that Caylee was missing.

NighTillDawn
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
I lurked for 2 weeks before I registered, what about you?

I've been lurking for years. Everytime I registered with this site, it registered okay but for some reason it would never let me post. I am glad to say, that finally after many years, I am finally able to post here. I would hate to think of this site shutting down due to an overload of people coming here to keep up on the case. I have learned so much from this site when I couldn't get any news from the television. If the servers are busy, just keep trying. That's what I do. Everyone should be able to read here, even the non posters.

BostonSu
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
I lurked for 2 weeks before I registered, what about you?

I lurked on the coldcase threads for 6 months, and this one for a month before I joined.

Fandy, love the cats!

Leila
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
I too have had a lot of problems getting on the board today.

Girlrilla
08-14-2008, 03:05 PM
I have lurked since JonBenet Ramsey

I lurked for maybe a day. Couldn't keep my mouth shut I guess. LOL I got here because of Caylee, never knew this place existed!!! It's what I've been looking for since I exhausted the Crime Library stories and discussion there was not very active.

Patty G
08-14-2008, 03:06 PM
Man! Is everyone else having a hard time with the board????


Yes, I am also. Trying to get caught up and I keep getting "server busy". :(

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:06 PM
Can't the MODs shut it down to only the accepted posters?

I don't know...??? I guess if it happens again we should try to do that.

AKMom
08-14-2008, 03:06 PM
no, not stupid you. it's a disturbing case for all of us, that's why we're constantly wracking our brains trying to figure out what happened to that precious little girl. i've been wondering for weeks now HOW Cindy sounded so darn calm in the first 2 911 calls, when she darn well knew, as she put it, "smells like there's been a dead body in there," but doesn't get frantic until the 3 911 call... she knows it isn't casey (because she's trying to wring the truth out of casey) so who else's body but caylee's does she think's been in there??? unless you buy the suggested casey-to-mom-story "i saw something bad, i wasn't supposed to see, they took caylee as a result, blah, blah, blah..." :confused:

Hi All - IMO I really believe Cindy's ONLY objective was to bring Caylee home. Cindy's first priority was to get Caylee back safe and sound, THEN deal with Casey's actions. I don't think the horrible truth started to set in until Casey was being taken to jail-That was the last "card" Cindy could play, and I think ALL her energy/momentum/intention was set toward getting Caylee in her arms again-How horrible the moment must have been when she realized that Caylee really wasn't coming home that night-This breaks my heart.

Fandy
08-14-2008, 03:06 PM
I remember that back at the very beginning of this case, Cindy's MySpace page had something on it stating that no one was to speak to the media without going through them. I think that may be one reason why we haven't heard from Casey's friends.

The interview with Clint last night gave us a lot of insight, and I felt he was very up front about his his observations. He didn't want to get into speculation or talk about other people's observations. I agree that interviews with some of Casey's female friends might give some insight into the time after June 15th - Father's Day.

How many female real friends does Casey have? I only counted Amy and the woman interviewed earlier by NG (lauren)? Holly seemed to be more adult, a friend to Cindy? Casey seemed to be more friendly with men than women.

NighTillDawn
08-14-2008, 03:07 PM
I was here for the Scott Peterson case; however I became so frustrated with the server issues; i.e., locking up & not allowing my post after being accepted as a poster, I quit using the site. But, I knew they'd be on the ball for this case. MODs, if you have server space issues, please let me know. I have access to a HUGE server farm!!!

Wow and here I thought this issue only pertained to me. I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one. I was starting to think it was a computer issue I was having.

Patty G
08-14-2008, 03:07 PM
Has anyone spotted the full version of the press conference yesterday?

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:08 PM
Chezhire, the statement she makes "Life is on hold until tomorrow" also shows that she felt as if she was going to lie and manipulate her way out of this one too. Guess she got fooled. Her life is still on hold.

Marina - I'm also loving the irony in her words

Mouser
08-14-2008, 03:08 PM
I did because I had a hard time getting registered due to my email address. My fiance and I had never used the email account assigned to us by our service provider, so it took me a little while to track it down so I could get my registration accepted. I was very glad to be able to view the information during that waiting time. :)

I had the same issue. I'd never used my ISP email until I discovered I had to in order to register w/ websleuths.

I also lurked for some time before registering...and still mostly just continue to lurk.

floridamom
08-14-2008, 03:09 PM
A thought just occurred to me. I wonder if LE has subpoenaed the cellphone records of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony? I would think it would be helpful to the time line to establish who called who, when, and how long those calls were.


It would also be helpful to see if it's indeed true that Cindy was communicating with Casey on a daily basis during the time she was missing, as she claims. (voice mail, texting, and talking)

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 03:09 PM
That is true...didn't think about the time between the police arriving and the last 911 call. Maybe they weren't washed until after the police left. George may have taken everything out of the car when he got home and she may have not even known about the pants until later. I just can't see her stopping to do laundry in the middle of trying to find Casey. I can see her finding the number, or George giving it to her, calling Amy and then flying out the door to Amy's house. At any rate, finding out when and who really washed them would go far in determining a motive for doing so if one does exist.

I could see a mother in that position pulling stuff out of the car, muttering about Casey refusing to grow up, getting the car impounded, how much that cost them, out with her friends for a month while withhold Caylee, credit cards, cell phone bill, and now mom gets to clean up her mess. I don't think it was a June Cleaver moment.

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 03:09 PM
I have lurked since JonBenet Ramsey

I was a member on another message board before being here. Got to where the best information and the best poster were right here on Websleuths! Also the mods here are great!!!!

Also, thank you, Tricia!

krimekat
08-14-2008, 03:10 PM
Hi All - IMO I really believe Cindy's ONLY objective was to bring Caylee home. Cindy's first priority was to get Caylee back safe and sound, THEN deal with Casey's actions. I don't think the horrible truth started to set in until Casey was being taken to jail-That was the last "card" Cindy could play, and I think ALL her energy/momentum/intention was set toward getting Caylee in her arms again-How horrible the moment must have been when she realized that Caylee really wasn't coming home that night-This breaks my heart.

I agree!!! I am thinking Cindy must not have smelled the car until she brought Casey home. But that means George was the first to smell death . . .

NighTillDawn
08-14-2008, 03:11 PM
I had the exact same problem. I've never tried to register for a site that would only accept internet service provider e-mail accounts. Howver, it was nice to be able to read up on everything even though I couldn't post a comment.

Oh, so now I understand. The site wouldn't accept my yahoo address and once I put in my service provider's e-mail address it went thru. If I had only known that one earlier, I could have saved myself a few years. :)

Sweetyhide
08-14-2008, 03:11 PM
Is this true?


*Snip*
LOOPHOLE COULD ALLOW CASEY TO BEAT SYSTEM

A loophole could allow Caylee Anthony's mother to beat the system. She's still only facing charges of child neglect and giving false statements.

If her attorney asks for a speedy trial, they could be the only charges she ever faces. Florida law prohibits a person from being tried on more serious charges at a later date if the person stands trial for something that's related.

more at:
http://www.wftv.com/news/17189241/detail.html

Girlrilla
08-14-2008, 03:12 PM
So what do people think about Baez subpoena of the cadaver dogs? Is he already preparing for a trial?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7207992&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

krimekat
08-14-2008, 03:14 PM
LOOPHOLE COULD ALLOW CASEY TO BEAT SYSTEM

A loophole could allow Caylee Anthony's mother to beat the system. She's still only facing charges of child neglect and giving false statements.

If her attorney asks for a speedy trial, they could be the only charges she ever faces. Florida law prohibits a person from being tried on more serious charges at a later date if the person stands trial for something that's related.

more at:
http://www.wftv.com/news/17189241/detail.html

That is why LE will charge Casey with more to keep her . . .

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Marina - I'm also loving the irony in her words

At this point, Casey really thinks that LE is going to just take her word for everything! She NEVER expected to get arrested, IMO.

Hisimage
08-14-2008, 03:15 PM
You know Im thinking she should talk to George. Because he already has said they are being watched:eek:


Is this a Freudian slip, or did the media misquote:

Cindy Anthony: "Even as innocently as we try to be careful in what we might say that could tip someone off, that might think oh my gosh, we gotta do something to Caylee, our whole focus is on protecting my granddaughter. And Casey's going to protect her to the very end and that's the whole reason she's sitting where she's sitting is because she's protecting Caylee's safety. And I believe that. If she knew where Caylee was at, believe me, we'd have an army going in there. Everybody's volunteered to go find her once we, I mean go get her, once we have the location. So we just have to be patient with the investigation

:eek:

ETA: I wasn't able to view the video. My 'puter doesn't like that website, I guess and I can't reboot at the moment. Did I misunderstand the context of this statement from Cindy??

lostnfound85
08-14-2008, 03:15 PM
OK so I have been thinking about this..according to Casey, she cannot release the details of whomever has Caylee, and why they have her. So she gives the fake info (Zenaida at Sawgrass) to protect Caylee, and that is her excuse as to why she lied. So following that thought, and going on the premise that her parents believe her and her story about kidnappers…then I want to ask why then, are we still looking for the "right" Zenieda (now this is according to many statements, both Cindy and Casey have made. That they have been telling LE all along it is the wrong ZG. So they cannot have it both ways, was it Zenaida, or was it the unknown kidnappers Casey is protecting? If they are saying it was ZG, then Casey's claim she is silent about the details to save Caylee is wrong, because she did give out info, only wrong info.. Does anybody see the logic in this?

No logic, just a pile of BS to keep police on the off track instead of the right track - finding CAylee's body. After 8 weeks, the probability is near 0 she is alive given the evidence gained so far.

krimekat
08-14-2008, 03:15 PM
So what do people think about Baez subpoena of the cadaver dogs? Is he already preparing for a trial?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7207992&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Totally a Defense Atty tactic . . . of course, he is preparing for a trial. How could he NOT be. Baez is hoping to be the next Mark Geragos (SP) of OJ & Snott Peterson fame

SuziQ
08-14-2008, 03:16 PM
I agree!!! I am thinking Cindy must not have smelled the car until she brought Casey home. But that means George was the first to smell death . . .

It's been posted a few times that the smell was so bad George had to roll the windows down and he almost threw up.

Does anyone recall this or have more info? Do we know where the info came from? If we could pin this down to a legit source, that would put an exclamation point on how bad and awful that smell was.

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 03:16 PM
It would also be helpful to see if it's indeed true that Cindy was communicating with Casey on a daily basis during the time she was missing, as she claims. (voice mail, texting, and talking)

I would think they probably have!

shannon718
08-14-2008, 03:16 PM
I'm with you on the coverup.

She stated emphatically that she notified the five deputies who responded to her house that she had washed the pants, and that they told her it was unimportant and weren't interested in retrieving them.

The subsequent search warrant completely contradicts this.

I'm willing to give her the cluelessness benefit of the doubt on washing them, but not on fabricating that whole "they weren't interested" fable.

got it...

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:17 PM
You think? I read the "I better not see you online" as Casey having every intention of continuing to be online herself.

You make a good point - similar to what someone else was intimating - that Casey thought she'd talk her way out of whatever was being discussed at that point with her parents and be online again later on as if nothing had happened...

My real reason for pointing that out had mostly to do with Cindy and the WS discussions re: what she knew and didn't know when she washed the infamous pants that shouldn't have been washed, and when she placed the first 2 911 calls, which were not frantic or worried at all. though I don't know at what time those pants were washed, I believe Cindy knew someone may have died in that car before she picked up Casey and before she ever made a single 911 call:


(1) car retrieved from amscot
(2) amy's phone number retrieved from car, that smelled like it had had a dead body in the trunk,
(3) cindy calls amy
(4) cindy finds out where casey is from speaking to amy
(5) cindy picks up casey,
(6) cindy and casey drive around looking for caylee, and cindy loks for an open police station,
(7) cindy and casey return home,
(8) finally, the first 911 call is made, followed by the second 911 call, followed by the third 911 call.

Michelle623
08-14-2008, 03:17 PM
awwwwwww...
He was so happy to find those pictures. Those people really do love Caylee.

Yes, i agree, and I also noticed that he no longer has GP's or CA's as myspace friends (at least on the front page.)- only Lee.That kind of said a lot to me, not to mention his blog. I have the definite impression that they are pretty realistic about what may have occurred, and if given just a few moments in the same room, this guy would have NO problem getting CA to cough up exactly what the truth is! (and I don't mean physically, I mean given his strong personality and apparent drive for the truth!)

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:18 PM
LE has by now enhanced the 911 calls and knows what was being said in the background. It will be interesting if anything of note was said!!

wouldn't we love to have that, too, to ponder...

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:21 PM
Yes, but Casey had stolen money and checks from AMY. At what point did Amy find this out? And why would Casey even tell her that she'd better not see her online "tonight"? Makes no sense!

i think casey and amy, when not together, tended to be like a lot of other youg folks these days: they hang out online, and casey assumed she'd be right back online later that evening, even though her "life was on hold til tomorrow"

ketel0ne
08-14-2008, 03:21 PM
So was July 15th the first time Cindy ever talked to or saw Amy?

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 03:23 PM
Do we know if Cindy worked 7/15, or what time she got off ??

Maybe George had already started the car clean-up by the time she got home ?? (pile of clothes here, pile of papers here...etc.)

*If* I just found my car had been towed weeks ago, my first thought would be to locate my kid that was driving it....(I wonder if one of the GP's phone will show a 'frenzy' of calls looking for Casey on the 15th).

She had spoken to Casey during the two weeks that the car was impounded. Casey never told her the car was out of her possession. They didn't go a month of total silence, get an impounded car that reeked like a body and just go about cleaning it. They had talked to their daughter who told them Caylee was fine. If we are suggesting that she as mother should immediately think this could be a crime scene, I have talked to Casey, maybe that is Caylee's body I smell...... than Casey should have been removed from the child's life long ago if that was a reasonable conclusion to jump to.

Marina2
08-14-2008, 03:23 PM
I could see a mother in that position pulling stuff out of the car, muttering about Casey refusing to grow up, getting the car impounded, how much that cost them, out with her friends for a month while withhold Caylee, credit cards, cell phone bill, and now mom gets to clean up her mess. I don't think it was a June Cleaver moment.

Lol...I dont think Cindy knows what a June Cleaver moment is. But yes, this is a believable scenario. She may have been very po'd that Casey could cause all of this while not even living with them for a month. She had no idea how bad it was going to get.

edgeofnight
08-14-2008, 03:23 PM
So was July 15th the first time Cindy ever talked to or saw Amy?

That was my impression. I have a feeling the parents didn't know any of Casey's new friends.

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 03:24 PM
wouldn't we love to have that, too, to ponder...

LOL, yes, I know I would! Along with all cell phone records, LE WILL get to the bottom of this whole mess! I think Grandpa is finally beginning to realize that he could be in a whole new world of hurt if he is thought to have cleaned the car trunk.

(I personally think he knows where Caylee's body is)

*****Justice for Caylee*****

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:24 PM
It would also be helpful to see if it's indeed true that Cindy was communicating with Casey on a daily basis during the time she was missing, as she claims. (voice mail, texting, and talking)

Agreed - been asking out loud for a week or so why we can't (LE really) get about the past 2 months worth of cell phone records for comparison...course, LE already has these...wish they'd let us do some of their homework for them ;)

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:25 PM
That was my impression. I have a feeling the parents didn't know any of Casey's new friends.

But Lee knows them. He's been clubbing with them.

LaLaw2000
08-14-2008, 03:26 PM
i think casey and amy, when not together, tended to be like a lot of other youg folks these days: they hang out online, and casey assumed she'd be right back online later that evening, even though her "life was on hold til tomorrow"

And Casey's life would forever change with the prophetic "Life is on hold until tomorrow!"

Come to think of it, all our lives changed - here we are.

wishingtree
08-14-2008, 03:27 PM
It's been posted a few times that the smell was so bad George had to roll the windows down and he almost threw up.

Does anyone recall this or have more info? Do we know where the info came from? If we could pin this down to a legit source, that would put an exclamation point on how bad and awful that smell was.

I've just been blown away today by something that another poster mentioned earlier that I hadn't put together. That Cindy got Amy's number from the car, which means she would have had to have known what the car smelled like BEFORE she tracked down Casey and also knew about it when she made the 1st 911 call. Another poster pointed out that George could have gotten the number out of the car and phoned Cindy with it, so in all fairness I will admit to that possibility since I have not yet searched for the exact comments made by the Anthonys about the sequence of events that day. I THOUGHT I heard that Cindy herself found Amy's number in the car, but with so much misinformation out there I don't want to state it as fact right now, but just my opinion. I will post a link when I find actual quotes to confirm either theory.

TripleA
08-14-2008, 03:27 PM
July 15 Casey's facebook post to Amy
Casey Anthony wrote
at 4:02pm on July 15th, 2008
so glad you're home.
i better not see you online.
life is on hold until tomorrow
----------------------------------

I disagree about this message meaning that Casey knew something was up. I read it as Amy had just returned from a long trip and flight, Casey saw her online soon after she dropped her off, and was telling her that she needed to get off line and get some rest...that Amy needed to put her life on hold until tomorrow, not Casey herself.

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:28 PM
So was July 15th the first time Cindy ever talked to or saw Amy?

good question. I'm going to quote whomever else already said this on this board and repeat I would love love love to see AMY interviewed by Greta..

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:28 PM
July 15 Casey's facebook post to Amy
Casey Anthony wrote
at 4:02pm on July 15th, 2008
so glad you're home.
i better not see you online.
life is on hold until tomorrow
----------------------------------

I disagree about this message meaning that Casey knew something was up. I read it as Amy had just returned from a long trip and flight, Casey saw her online soon after she dropped her off, and was telling her that she needed to get off line and get some rest...that Amy needed to put her life on hold until tomorrow, not Casey herself.

Yep Casey didn't want Amy online to check her bank statement!

liltigress
08-14-2008, 03:28 PM
FOX reporting: Casey's boyfriend is now giving his side of the story, as is his room mate. (We saw Clint in OTR last night).. Wonder what made Tony speak up? Coming up after the break.

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 03:28 PM
A thought just occurred to me. I wonder if LE has subpoenaed the cellphone records of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony? I would think it would be helpful to the time line to establish who called who, when, and how long those calls were.

Did Cindy call George and tell him she had located Casey, but that Caylee was with the babysitter?

I would certainly think so, and probably Zenaida of Sawhill's, and some of Casey's friends. The home phone is probably tapped as well... there is a supposed kidnapper out there.

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:29 PM
FOX reporting: Casey's boyfriend is now giving his side of the story, as is his room mate. (We saw Clint in OTR last night).. Wonder what made Tony speak up? Coming up after the break.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

edgeofnight
08-14-2008, 03:29 PM
But Lee knows them. He's been clubbing with them.

I wonder how many times Lee asked Casey about Caylee, the subject had to have come up. He must have asked her, who's watching Caylee tonight?

shannon718
08-14-2008, 03:29 PM
FOX reporting: Casey's boyfriend is now giving his side of the story, as is his room mate. (We saw Clint in OTR last night).. Wonder what made Tony speak up? Coming up after the break.

now THAT will be even more enlightening

TripleA
08-14-2008, 03:29 PM
I think that Casey is trying to cryptically tell her parents where Caylee's body is, "close to home". I think that Casey fessed up to an "accident" before the police came that first night, but did not tell them where she had put Caylee.

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:29 PM
She had spoken to Casey during the two weeks that the car was impounded. Casey never told her the car was out of her possession. They didn't go a month of total silence, get an impounded car that reeked like a body and just go about cleaning it. They had talked to their daughter who told them Caylee was fine. If we are suggesting that she as mother should immediately think this could be a crime scene, I have talked to Casey, maybe that is Caylee's body I smell...... than Casey should have been removed from the child's life long ago if that was a reasonable conclusion to jump to.

some WSers think the "I've given you 30 days" business during the 911 call indicates that, if she's not talking about simply seeing caylee, that she may be talking about filing for custody of caylee...???

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:30 PM
FOX reporting: Casey's boyfriend is now giving his side of the story, as is his room mate. (We saw Clint in OTR last night).. Wonder what made Tony speak up? Coming up after the break.

Man I hope it is with Greta! She did an excellant job with Clint last night!

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:31 PM
But Lee knows them. He's been clubbing with them.

bingo - and that why I think a lot of WSers think he's now being so silent - he *knows* in his gut what has happened...he was there at least some of the time to see his sister's lifestyle and priorities... :(

fixingtoburst
08-14-2008, 03:31 PM
some WSers think the "I've given you 30 days" business during the 911 call indicates that, if she's not talking about simply seeing caylee, that she may be talking about filing for custody of caylee...???

Is it a possibilty that Cindy had given Casey 30 days to locate Caylee without calling the police?

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:32 PM
And Casey's life would forever change with the prophetic "Life is on hold until tomorrow!"

Come to think of it, all our lives changed - here we are.

isn't that the sad truth.

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:32 PM
I wonder how many times Lee asked Casey about Caylee, the subject had to have come up. He must have asked her, who's watching Caylee tonight?

Actually know you I bet Lee just assumed his mother had her. You know? Not giving him a pass. Not at all. I just would think it would be common place.

edgeofnight
08-14-2008, 03:32 PM
Can't wait to hear what Tony has to say. Been waiting for this. Really believe Casey's actions were because of her new boyfriend.

Hisimage
08-14-2008, 03:33 PM
some WSers think the "I've given you 30 days" business during the 911 call indicates that, if she's not talking about simply seeing caylee, that she may be talking about filing for custody of caylee...???

I thought about that in the very beginning when the phone call was released.

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:33 PM
I've just been blown away today by something that another poster mentioned earlier that I hadn't put together. That Cindy got Amy's number from the car, which means she would have had to have known what the car smelled like BEFORE she tracked down Casey and also knew about it when she made the 1st 911 call. Another poster pointed out that George could have gotten the number out of the car and phoned Cindy with it, so in all fairness I will admit to that possibility since I have not yet searched for the exact comments made by the Anthonys about the sequence of events that day. I THOUGHT I heard that Cindy herself found Amy's number in the car, but with so much misinformation out there I don't want to state it as fact right now, but just my opinion. I will post a link when I find actual quotes to confirm either theory.

I'm with you on this one. I was sure a week or so ago about Cindy saying herself on TV that she herself found the number in Amy's car, but now I cannot be so sure. Guess we've got to go back through all those darn interviews. ARGHHHHH

TripleA
08-14-2008, 03:33 PM
Is it a possibilty that Cindy had given Casey 30 days to locate Caylee without calling the police?

No, because in the July 3rd myspace mssg from Cindy, she was stating that Casey had Caylee and was keeping her from seeing Caylee.

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 03:34 PM
I agree!!! I am thinking Cindy must not have smelled the car until she brought Casey home. But that means George was the first to smell death . . .

I think she smelled it earlier, she was in it but she was just focused on finding and SEEING Caylee. Between the 2nd and 3rd call she realizes Casey isn't just playing a game of keep away to punish her, she has no clue where Caylee is and in the third call you can hear it click in her head, Caylee has been gone for 31 days and the car smells like there has been a dead body in it. If she showed that type of raw emotion even periodically I think many would have a different opinion of her. I think her affect really doesn't make her well suited to off the cuff interviews.

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:34 PM
bingo - and that why I think a lot of WSers think he's now being so silent - he *knows* in his gut what has happened...he was there at least some of the time to see his sister's lifestyle and priorities... :(

I REALLY want him to talk! I don't know why but I'm putting alot faith in Lee to be the stand up guy that I think he is! LEE PLEASE STAND UP FOR CAYLEE THIS IS NO LONGER ABOUT CASEY! PLEASE I THINK YOU ARE THE ROCK OF THE FAMILY! DO THIS FOR CAYLEE!

fixingtoburst
08-14-2008, 03:35 PM
No, because in the July 3rd myspace mssg from Cindy, she was stating that Casey had Caylee and was keeping her from seeing Caylee.


You're right. I forget. Again another awkward statement from Cindy though. I mean who says 30 days? Why not say I've give you a month to get your crap together. KWIM?

liltigress
08-14-2008, 03:35 PM
Tony corresponded with Fox New via text messages. Dang... thought it was something really good.

He just said that during those days, June 15, 16, 17, 18, Casey didn't act like anything was wrong.

tuppence
08-14-2008, 03:35 PM
I'm with you on the coverup.

She stated emphatically that she notified the five deputies who responded to her house that she had washed the pants, and that they told her it was unimportant and weren't interested in retrieving them.

The subsequent search warrant completely contradicts this.

I'm willing to give her the cluelessness benefit of the doubt on washing them, but not on fabricating that whole "they weren't interested" fable.

Actually LE said not only did they open up their whole house to them and let them take whatever they wanted but they kept on insisting on other items they should take too (receipts, clothes etc.) LE said at one of the last press conferences that LE went back to the house that day and got more things because the Anthonys thought they could be important.

I imagine that Cinday was blabbering on about all kinds of things the LE should do at the beginning and at that point they didn't even take the car so Cindy probably mentioned this early on and it got dropped.

impatientredhead
08-14-2008, 03:35 PM
Oh, so now I understand. The site wouldn't accept my yahoo address and once I put in my service provider's e-mail address it went thru. If I had only known that one earlier, I could have saved myself a few years. :)

My screenname fits.... when it wouldn't take my yahoo address after two tries I emailed the moderaters ;)

tx_Dot
08-14-2008, 03:35 PM
She had spoken to Casey during the two weeks that the car was impounded. Casey never told her the car was out of her possession. They didn't go a month of total silence, get an impounded car that reeked like a body and just go about cleaning it. They had talked to their daughter who told them Caylee was fine. If we are suggesting that she as mother should immediately think this could be a crime scene, I have talked to Casey, maybe that is Caylee's body I smell...... than Casey should have been removed from the child's life long ago if that was a reasonable conclusion to jump to.

Hopefully LE will be checking ALL the players phone records involved (something I said a week ago (or maybe two weeks by now)).....

IIRC Cindy *said* she had talked to Casey about the gas cans, but Cindy's 7/3 myspace posting didn't really sound like there was much communication from 6/15 thru 7/15.

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:36 PM
Yep Casey didn't want Amy online to check her bank statement!

problem is that if she didn't want/expect to see Amy online, and the comment was directed to amy, why post an online comment to Amy-which would require Amy to be online to even get it???

housemouse
08-14-2008, 03:36 PM
Hmmm, now you have me thinking. I have never considered that GP might know where the body is


LOL, yes, I know I would! Along with all cell phone records, LE WILL get to the bottom of this whole mess! I think Grandpa is finally beginning to realize that he could be in a whole new world of hurt if he is thought to have cleaned the car trunk.

(I personally think he knows where Caylee's body is)

*****Justice for Caylee*****

shannon718
08-14-2008, 03:36 PM
You're right. I forget. Again another awkward statement from Cindy though. I mean who says 30 days? Why not say I've give you a month to get your crap together. KWIM?

She was responding to Casey's plea of " just give me one more day" To which she said "I've already given you 30 days"...

Leila
08-14-2008, 03:37 PM
Is it a possibilty that Cindy had given Casey 30 days to locate Caylee without calling the police?

My impression was that Cindy had been calling Casey and asking to see Caylee and for the past month, was given an excuse each time - she's asleep, she's at the beach with the babysitter, etc. Cindy is saying - "I've given you a month, asking every day to see or talk to Caylee. I'm not giving you one more day - I want to see her now!"

DianeB
08-14-2008, 03:37 PM
No she just giving her a sweet kiss before she knew she got screwed!Or maybe she was on a fishing expedition. She had to have known that Amy would find out about the check forgery almost immediately, and wanted to check her temperature.

What she didn't know was that Cindy would call Amy, who not only dropped (her last) dime on Casey, but hopped on the broomstick to lead mom to her.

Busted!

miss lisa
08-14-2008, 03:37 PM
Tony corresponded with Fox New via text messages. Dang... thought it was something really good.

He just said that during those days, June 15, 16, 17, 18, Casey didn't act like anything was wrong.

Greta needs to go for the interview! Go get him Greta!

Chezhire
08-14-2008, 03:37 PM
:clap::clap::clap::clap:Man I hope it is with Greta! She did an excellant job with Clint last night!

Ginny
08-14-2008, 03:37 PM
How many female real friends does Casey have? I only counted Amy and the woman interviewed earlier by NG (lauren)? Holly seemed to be more adult, a friend to Cindy? Casey seemed to be more friendly with men than women.

Wasn't there a Kristine that she spoke to on the call from jail looking for TonE's number?