Forensic Astrology/Psychic Impressions

[EntreNous]

Upon Google surfing this evening I came across this forensic astrology blog about Nancy Cooper. It's pretty interesting so I thought I'd post it for you guys to read. It's a little creepy, some of the things she hits on. Just be sure to scroll down and read the comments.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/07/nancy-cooper.html

If you guys have any other links or know of anyone who does charts or has any psychic impressions about Brad, Nancy or anyone else related to the case I guess this is as good a place as any to post them.

Whether you believe or not, it's still pretty interesting to read. Let me know what you think about her charts and reading.

[raisincharlie]

Upon Google surfing this evening I came across this forensic astrology blog about Nancy Cooper. It's pretty interesting so I thought I'd post it for you guys to read. It's a little creepy, some of the things she hits on. Just be sure to scroll down and read the comments.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/07/nancy-cooper.html

If you guys have any other links or know of anyone who does charts or has any psychic impressions about Brad, Nancy or anyone else related to the case I guess this is as good a place as any to post them.

Whether you believe or not, it's still pretty interesting to read. Let me know what you think about her charts and reading.


Holy cow - her estimates of TOD match up very close to what my little fry brain was thinking - wow. Will have to read this again - slowly. I am amazed and I'm not much into this kind of stuff at all.

[EntreNous]

I thought her description of the killer was really creepy and the split personality thing. EEK!

[Star12]

I'm really skeptical of this kind of thing, and especially this site. Ran across it a couple of days ago. Stuff there that could have been found right here in our pages, or elsewhere on the web.

My opinion, just not a believer in astrology and charts and all that.

[raisincharlie]

I'm really skeptical of this kind of thing, and especially this site. Ran across it a couple of days ago. Stuff there that could have been found right here in our pages, or elsewhere on the web.

My opinion, just not a believer in astrology and charts and all that.

I agree with that Star - much of it could be gleaned from posts right here on this board but I have to say, her estimated TOD and the aftermath comes very close to my thinking - which I have never really said before and most that think Brad did it - think it was much earlier and definitely before 4 am. Just kinda staggered me a bit - got the brown paper and vinegar handy by the way ? :crazy:

[Star12]

After my brain f*rts the other night, I still have plenty of brown paper and half a jug of vinegar, right here handy beside me.

I read that page, and went hmmmmm, and then decided that person knew too many details, and they even admitted having read up on the case, and, well, nooooo, don't think so.

[EntreNous]

I just thought it was an amusing read and a new spin on TOD. I wish there were other people on the net who have charts on this or at least some psychic readings on this. I'm always open to new theories and different points of view.

[raisincharlie]

After my brain f*rts the other night, I still have plenty of brown paper and half a jug of vinegar, right here handy beside me.

I read that page, and went hmmmmm, and then decided that person knew too many details, and they even admitted having read up on the case, and, well, nooooo, don't think so.

Its not too late for me to go to the store, um canteen - if you get low - I'll share ! :crazy:

I do not agree however that someone else killed Nancy - that is in left field I think.

[EntreNous]

After my brain f*rts the other night, I still have plenty of brown paper and half a jug of vinegar, right here handy beside me.

I read that page, and went hmmmmm, and then decided that person knew too many details, and they even admitted having read up on the case, and, well, nooooo, don't think so.

What, so she's not entitled to an opinion?

[Star12]

What, so she's not entitled to an opinion?

What, so I'm not entitled to an opinion?

IMO, it's hocum.

I've never been a big believer in psychics, card reading, etc. Can be an amusing diversion, but we are talking about life and death here.

She can have her own opinion. That is cool by me.

I don't generally challenge anyone whose opinion differs from mine.

[EntreNous]

I don't think she says she's a psychic or a card reader. It was my understanding that she ran charts based on planetary alignment. There's plenty of people who live by the stars and the moon. Pick up a Farmers Almanac sometime. The strange thing is, it may be a lot of hocum (not sure what that is), but the FA is pretty accurate.

I personally don't see any harm in it. There have been many psychics who have helped solve crimes. And believe it or not there are police departments who have psychics on staff to do just that.

At any rate, I thought her theory is interesting. It's one we haven't really batted around here and since things have gotten kinda quiet on the case I really didn't think it would offend anyone.

[raisincharlie]

I don't think she says she's a psychic or a card reader. It was my understanding that she ran charts based on planetary alignment. There's plenty of people who live by the stars and the moon. Pick up a Farmers Almanac sometime. The strange thing is, it may be a lot of hocum (not sure what that is), but the FA is pretty accurate.

I personally don't see any harm in it. There have been many psychics who have helped solve crimes. And believe it or not there are police departments who have psychics on staff to do just that.

At any rate, I thought her theory is interesting. It's one we haven't really batted around here and since things have gotten kinda quiet on the case I really didn't think it would offend anyone.

I'm not offended by it all. It is interesting and I don't understand any of that stuff about planets here and there what it means when they are here or there. Something to think about.

[sunflowers]

Upon Google surfing this evening I came across this forensic astrology blog about Nancy Cooper. It's pretty interesting so I thought I'd post it for you guys to read. It's a little creepy, some of the things she hits on. Just be sure to scroll down and read the comments.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/07/nancy-cooper.html

If you guys have any other links or know of anyone who does charts or has any psychic impressions about Brad, Nancy or anyone else related to the case I guess this is as good a place as any to post them.

Whether you believe or not, it's still pretty interesting to read. Let me know what you think about her charts and reading.

I think her stuff is totally amazing.

[fran]

I don't normally believe in this sort of thing and,..........this doesn't change my mind. But, as others have said, they're entitled to their opinion. During another case we had a psychic evaluate the case and do a few updates. I didn't believe her then,.......until the body was found and the psychic had been right. Then, I sorta believed.

I'll wait for judgment on this one. Until something is proven correct. Until then, I'll treat it as an educated guess. Kinda' like me. ;)

They really should have given Websleuths credit for the timeline. They DID get it from here, although they said 'various websites.'

JMHO
fran

PS........I like the suggestion of Brad's 'split personality.' That seems to fit with Nancy's description of him, at least with regard to her! fran

PPS.....Interesting tidbit about 'someone else's car' being used. Wonder if that morning phone call was to cancel tennis plans or ???????

[maconrich]

I'm with you on this totally, Fran. It seems that if another car or person had been there that night (with the party being right across the street) someone would have noticed. Possibly the next morning too.

The set up is about how I've pictured it (him striking suddenly catching her by surprise, quite possibly when she first entered the house). As much as anything though, the comment section intrigued me. The rest is interesting but more :waitasec:

[Anderson]

I'm with you on this totally, Fran. It seems that if another car or person had been there that night (with the party being right across the street) someone would have noticed. Possibly the next morning too.

The set up is about how I've pictured it (him striking suddenly catching her by surprise, quite possibly when she first entered the house). As much as anything though, the comment section intrigued me. The rest is interesting but more :waitasec:

That is the first thought I had: wouldn't someone have noticed another car, especially in the morning? Two men, hmmmm, does anyone know what Scott Heider looks like? I do agree with RC, it seems that a lot of the core information used in her analysis was available on websleuths.

[Topsail Girl]

Can I post the pic here or do I have to provide a link to it?

ETA - I posted a link to a pic of Scott in the main thread - sorry I meant to post it here.

[Anderson]

Can I post the pic here or do I have to provide a link to it?

ETA - I posted a link to a pic of Scott in the main thread - sorry I meant to post it here.

You are TOPS!!:) Thanks.

For kicks, I was interested in knowing if Scott may have matched the description of the other man given by the psychic. I have always had the feeling that someone else is involved, but I don't know really know why I think this. That is why it interested me. Do you happen to know if Scott is at least 6 feet tall?

I really shouldn't comment on this as I don't know anything about astrology, but isn't based on birthdays? Would that mean that everyone who is born at the same time as Nancy went through a crisis that night? Doesn't make sense to me, but there is probably much more to it.

[Topsail Girl]

Honestly I have no idea how tall Scott is. All the pics I've seen of him is sitting position. He is dark haired and slender like Brad. So from a distance they may look alike or if it was dawn or dusk or poor lighting for some other reason.

[Anderson]

Honestly I have no idea how tall Scott is. All the pics I've seen of him is sitting position. He is dark haired and slender like Brad. So from a distance they may look alike or if it was dawn or dusk or poor lighting for some other reason.

Thanks!

[Topsail Girl]

Anderson I have a pic of each of them. If you know how to put them side by side then we can compare. I can't seem to figure out how to do it. I can PM you the two pics and see what you can do if you want.

Nevermind Anderson - see post on the other thread for the reason

[Anderson]

Anderson I have a pic of each of them. If you know how to put them side by side then we can compare. I can't seem to figure out how to do it. I can PM you the two pics and see what you can do if you want.

Nevermind Anderson - see post on the other thread for the reason

I guess he could be the same height. Hard to tell. I wish we had other psychic analyses to compare this one with. Not that I put a lot of weight on this, but we don't have much more at the moment.

[momto3kids]

I guess so far some of it is correct, but some of it is incorrect.

I really do not think NC got home from the party and her girls were still up. Being in their own home with somewhat of a routine I just don't think this is at all correct.

BC did attend also, she stated he did not.

[fran]

I guess so far some of it is correct, but some of it is incorrect.

I really do not think NC got home from the party and her girls were still up. Being in their own home with somewhat of a routine I just don't think this is at all correct.

BC did attend also, she stated he did not.

LOL, she stated Brad did not attend, because that's from our timeline here on Websleuths. If you notice, the first timeline we thought he hadn't gone. This was later corrected. Guess she didn't notice. ;)

JMHO
fran

[EntreNous]

I guess so far some of it is correct, but some of it is incorrect.

I really do not think NC got home from the party and her girls were still up. Being in their own home with somewhat of a routine I just don't think this is at all correct.

BC did attend also, she stated he did not.
I can't find a part where she says the girls were still up. Help.:crazy:

[Anderson]

I can't find a part where she says the girls were still up. Help.:crazy:

"Nancy was still alive and well at 1 am, as she has just left the party. The chart for that hour shows she spent some time with her children when she got back home (Mars moves into the fifth house disposed of by Mercury in the third)."

On another note, although Brad did attend the party, the chart starts at 12:30 am. He left much earlier though, was it 6 or 8pm? As Fran points out the websleuth timeline originally said that he did not attend the party. So, from my point of view, it seems likely that the psychic was using this information in her analysis.

"The first chart is for the time at which she was last seen by friends, 12:30 am on Saturday morning as she was leaving the party. Aries is rising and Libra is falling. Mars is in the sixth house close to Saturn, indicating that Nancy thought of the party as an obligation, either because of work associations or because she was doing someone a favor. I don't know what Nancy did for work but she may have been passing out business cards or networking. Otherwise, she felt obligated because she had promised a friend she would be there and her friend needed her help in some way. Libra, which rules her husband, is signified by Venus in the fourth house, showing that her husband stayed home and did not attend. Venus is close to the Sun so he had a male friend over perhaps or was spending time with his oldest son, his father or a brother. Both Venus and the Sun are disposed of by the Moon in Scorpio in the eighth house so the conversation between the men was about Nancy."

[EntreNous]

"Nancy was still alive and well at 1 am, as she has just left the party. The chart for that hour shows she spent some time with her children when she got back home (Mars moves into the fifth house disposed of by Mercury in the third)."

On another note, although Brad did attend the party, the chart starts at 12:30 am. He left much earlier though, was it 6 or 8pm? As Fran points out the websleuth timeline originally said that he did not attend the party. So, from my point of view, it seems likely that the psychic was using this information in her analysis.

"The first chart is for the time at which she was last seen by friends, 12:30 am on Saturday morning as she was leaving the party. Aries is rising and Libra is falling. Mars is in the sixth house close to Saturn, indicating that Nancy thought of the party as an obligation, either because of work associations or because she was doing someone a favor. I don't know what Nancy did for work but she may have been passing out business cards or networking. Otherwise, she felt obligated because she had promised a friend she would be there and her friend needed her help in some way. Libra, which rules her husband, is signified by Venus in the fourth house, showing that her husband stayed home and did not attend. Venus is close to the Sun so he had a male friend over perhaps or was spending time with his oldest son, his father or a brother. Both Venus and the Sun are disposed of by the Moon in Scorpio in the eighth house so the conversation between the men was about Nancy."
Thanks for responding.

I did see that but it makes no mention of the children being awake. I guess I was thinking since I used to go spend time with my kids after they were sleeping sometimes, just curling up with them, listening to them breath. I automatically pictured that in my mind since the timeline is so late. Maybe she did mean the girls were up but I didn't read it that way.

[CyberPro]

OOOOK,

I keep seeing the references to brown paper and vinegar. Since I am a noob here, I am not getting the reference....

Someone care to enlighten me??

CyberPro

[SleuthyGal]

OOOOK,

I keep seeing the references to brown paper and vinegar. Since I am a noob here, I am not getting the reference....

Someone care to enlighten me??

CyberPro

Sounds like they're being used as a type of smelling salts? or air sickness bag?

[SleuthyGal]

There were some things right on target in that reading, but other things I just couldn't envision the way she did, knowing more details than she does. These things are not an exact science so there is some speculation/interpretation involved, plus I think she says she party uses her 'intuition' in her readings.

[Star12]

OOOOK,

I keep seeing the references to brown paper and vinegar. Since I am a noob here, I am not getting the reference....

Someone care to enlighten me??

CyberPro

Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water
Jack fell down and broke his crown
And Jill came tumbling after.
Up got Jack, and home did trot
As fast as he could caper
He went to bed and bound his head
With vinegar and brown paper.
:)

[EntreNous]

Yeah, I saw that SG about the intuition. How do use intuition to read a chart? I thought that those things were pretty cut and dry. But seriously I don't know anything about it.

It'll be interesting to see how accurate or not she was in the end. Especially about the prospect of the use of a different car.

[SleuthyGal]

It'll be interesting to see how accurate or not she was in the end. Especially about the prospect of the use of a different car.

I have no idea how it all works...my knowledge of astrology is pretty weak outside of "what's your sign?"

I truly do not think anyone else is involved or another car is involved...it just seems like it would have been seen by someone and since my theory is that the murder was not planned in advance, it would be strange for someone to get a call in the middle of the night to come over and move a body and "oh by the way can we use YOUR car?"

[EntreNous]

It is out in left field, that's for sure.

[SleuthyGal]

I am a believer in 'intuition' and those 6th senses...I've had it happen to me personally so I can no longer deny it doesn't exist, but her stuff isn't super accurate. There are a few things that are intriguing but it's more incorrect than correct, IMHO.

[EntreNous]

While I do believe you have to be ultra careful in this area and safeguard yourself from the scam artists out there, I also believe that there are people who truly have some sort of psychic gift.

However, I did think astrological charts were different.

[Onescout]

Upon Google surfing this evening I came across this forensic astrology blog about Nancy Cooper. It's pretty interesting so I thought I'd post it for you guys to read. It's a little creepy, some of the things she hits on. Just be sure to scroll down and read the comments.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/07/nancy-cooper.html

If you guys have any other links or know of anyone who does charts or has any psychic impressions about Brad, Nancy or anyone else related to the case I guess this is as good a place as any to post them.

Whether you believe or not, it's still pretty interesting to read. Let me know what you think about her charts and reading.

This is very helpful. All charts are subject to the interpreter.

Astrology is simply the study of a personal chart to decipher trends and inclinations.It's not a predictor, it's merely a big cosmic clock.

You should see the chart of The Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin at the moment of his death.
My personal belief is that it's all connnected...we are connected and so are we to nature,the bible supports the connection (to every thing there is a season etc.), if that's a bunch of hocum then so be it.
Look a the astrological trends of Wall Street , it's incredible.
Ask a sailor about the moon and the tides.
Ask a farmer about planting by the moon cycles.
Ask anyone who ever bought a car during a Mercury retrograde and they will have a tale to tell!
And don't get me started on how full the maternity ward is on full moons, I was there, I know!

I would love to see BC's charts for Nancy's last night on earth.

BTW we are entering a full moon lunar eclipse tonight....one that is in the process of exposing secrets and scandals (Neptune)....JOhn Edwards has felt that one already this week...perhaps the Chinese government lying about the ages of their female gymnasts, maybe something will break in the NC case.

And take it easy out there, this is an extremely volatile eclipse, mostly felt on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. People are a bit cranky.

Now, that'll be a hundred bucks! ;)

[Onescout]

Oh, and since we are involved with a full moon lunar eclipse and the moon is associated with the Mother, I would look for some major developements in the Caylee Anthony case.

[EntreNous]

Onescout, where do you get all this information? Is there a website you can point me to?
I knew about full moons and babies, I've got too many l&d nurse friends. And farmer's planting by the moon etc.

But I'm totally lost about Mercury in retrograde business, or the lunar eclipse and Neptune.

[Onescout]

Onescout, where do you get all this information? Is there a website you can point me to?
I knew about full moons and babies, I've got too many l&d nurse friends. And farmer's planting by the moon etc.

But I'm totally lost about Mercury in retrograde business, or the lunar eclipse and Neptune.

Here are two helpful sites:

www.stariq.com

and to get your own chart:
www.astro.com

I know many folks view this as occult and booga-booga, but if you see this whole universe as one big connected energy, well then you just can't rule it out.
The next Mercury retrograde is in late September.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for explaining why I am so cranky - I knew there had to be a reason somewhere :D

[EntreNous]

Thanks for posting those links. I've certainly got some reading to do.

I'm excited this thread was mentioned on the Carol Espy show. I feel less of a goober now. :biggrin:

[SleuthyGal]

All I know is when Mercury goes retrograde, all hell seems to break loose one way or another...sometimes in small ways, sometimes in larger ways.

[EntreNous]

I did read today it has been revealed that one of the Chinese gymnasts is only 14. Cue the twilight zone music.

[SleuthyGal]

I did read today it has been revealed that one of the Chinese gymnasts is only 14. Cue the twilight zone music.

Not surprised. They look like they're about 13, on average.

[Claycat]

EntreNous, I've been reading about this case and trying to catch up a little. The first thing I got, before I got off the computer, was that Nancy was being watched with bad intent. The hairs weren't standing up on the back of my neck, but I got the feeling that that is how Nancy felt.

I went to my room and meditated for awhile. I didn't get much, but what I got was very cryptic. I could see Nancy in my mind's eye. She had a deck of cards and fanned them out. It was like someone does when they are going to show you a card trick, and they want you to pick a card. I have no interpretation for this, but maybe someone else might.

I did get the feeling that she might have been strangled, but I don't know if that is the case. I couldn't find any information about how she died. I checked that link to the astrologer, and found that she also thought Nancy was strangled.

Have they published how she was killed?


I will see if I can pick up anything else.

[EntreNous]

Nope, no TOD or COD. We've gotten very little info on the case. There was initially a plethora of affidavits regarding the ex parte filing for custody of the children by Nancy's parents and ID twin sister immediately following the discovery of her body. But not much since. LE is being very tight lipped about the investigation.

[sunflowers]

EntreNous, I've been reading about this case and trying to catch up a little. The first thing I got, before I got off the computer, was that Nancy was being watched with bad intent. The hairs weren't standing up on the back of my neck, but I got the feeling that that is how Nancy felt.

I went to my room and meditated for awhile. I didn't get much, but what I got was very cryptic. I could see Nancy in my mind's eye. She had a deck of cards and fanned them out. It was like someone does when they are going to show you a card trick, and they want you to pick a card. I have no interpretation for this, but maybe someone else might.

I did get the feeling that she might have been strangled, but I don't know if that is the case. I couldn't find any information about how she died. I checked that link to the astrologer, and found that she also thought Nancy was strangled.

Have they published how she was killed?


I will see if I can pick up anything else.

What we do know was that it was immediately obvious to LE that she was murdered. If Brad was the perp, we would assume the method didn't involve blood since he opened his house & cars up to LE immediately (at least that's my recollection) & he's smart enough to know that even if everything is clean, there's still trace evidence.

The cards could possibly be Tarot cards. Don't know if Nancy or any of her friends did Tarot, but often people spread out the Tarot cards & pick a "go" card or a card that will answer a question.

Nancy had to have been scared, literally, to death. Sleeping in her girls' room with the door locked.....

Now, this is an interesting question. If she slept REGULARLY in her girls' room with the door locked, did she sleep with them that night after the party? Maybe she often got up before they did, so they were asleep when she alledgedly left in the morning for her run.....

[sunflowers]

You are TOPS!!:) Thanks.

For kicks, I was interested in knowing if Scott may have matched the description of the other man given by the psychic. I have always had the feeling that someone else is involved, but I don't know really know why I think this. That is why it interested me. Do you happen to know if Scott is at least 6 feet tall?

I really shouldn't comment on this as I don't know anything about astrology, but isn't based on birthdays? Would that mean that everyone who is born at the same time as Nancy went through a crisis that night? Doesn't make sense to me, but there is probably much more to it.

birthdays, time of birth, birth place (like stony creek, iowa, etc). also just have limited knowledge, but i know those items are a beginning.....

[Claycat]

You are TOPS!!:) Thanks.

For kicks, I was interested in knowing if Scott may have matched the description of the other man given by the psychic. I have always had the feeling that someone else is involved, but I don't know really know why I think this. That is why it interested me. Do you happen to know if Scott is at least 6 feet tall?

I really shouldn't comment on this as I don't know anything about astrology, but isn't based on birthdays? Would that mean that everyone who is born at the same time as Nancy went through a crisis that night? Doesn't make sense to me, but there is probably much more to it.

Anderson, for some reason I have also had the feeling that someone else was involved. I wonder if he could have paid an assassin? However, I understand they were in debt. I wonder if he had a life insurance policy on her.

I think she might have been killed, out in the dark, on her way home from the party. She might have had that being watched feeling, prickles at the back of her neck. Then, someone could have stepped out of the dark with black leather gloves on and strangled her.

I feel this. Her last thoughts were of her little daughters.

[EntreNous]

Interesting Claycat. Thanks so much for the input. It will be interesting to see how the case unfolds.

[EntreNous]

Here is a link to Scott's blog that he just very recently started. It has a pretty good picture of him...
http://scottheiderexperience.blogspot.com/

If you scroll down he does speak of Nancy.

[EntreNous]

Claycat, Scott Heider is Brad's very close friend. In fact their relationship is weird since Brad had an affair with Scott's wife Heather, who had been Nancy's best friend. Heather and Scott are now split up but Brad & Scott have remained very close.

Scott stated some really harsh things about Nancy in his affidavit which I found strange because they'd just found her dead body. All Scott had to do was state what a good father he thought Brad was but he took it a step further and trashed Nancy.

[cygnusx1]

Claycat, Scott Heider is Brad's very close friend. In fact their relationship is weird since Brad had an affair with Scott's wife Heather, who had been Nancy's best friend. Heather and Scott are now split up but Brad & Scott have remained very close.

Scott stated some really harsh things about Nancy in his affidavit which I found strange because they'd just found her dead body. All Scott had to do was state what a good father he thought Brad was but he took it a step further and trashed Nancy.

Excuse me? Which SH affidavit did you read?

In this one (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/24/3265525/July_24_defendant_affidavits_from_Brad_Cooper's_fa mily,_friends.pdf), the one "negative" thing he said about NC was:

#20 - "Nancy often exaggerated the details of stories for dramatic effect. For example..."

That's trashing her?

Perhaps you see #18 - "Nancy is very social and extroverted" as negative, but I don't.

Everything else is about Brad's relationship Nancy, him (Scott), Heather, Brad's daughters, and about Brad's personality. His affidavit was clearly in support of Brad's suitability as a father and not about "trashing" Nancy.

[EntreNous]

Excuse me? Which SH affidavit did you read?

In this one (http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/24/3265525/July_24_defendant_affidavits_from_Brad_Cooper's_fa mily,_friends.pdf), the one "negative" thing he said about NC was:

#20 - "Nancy often exaggerated the details of stories for dramatic effect. For example..."

That's trashing her?

Perhaps you see #18 - "Nancy is very social and extroverted" as negative, but I don't.

Everything else is about Brad's relationship Nancy, him (Scott), Heather, Brad's daughters, and about Brad's personality. His affidavit was clearly in support of Brad's suitability as a father and not about "trashing" Nancy.

I'm sorry but in that one you posted, Scott doesn't say anything. That's Carol Cooper's affidavit.

I'm actually referring to this one...

Scott Heider Affidavit (http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2008/7/24/20080724_cooperstatements.pdf)

If you'd like to scroll down to #20 it reads, (and I quote)...

Nancy often exaggerated the details of stories for dramatic effect. For example, if we all went to a hotel and there was a small indoor pool, when we got back, Nancy would tell people it was an Olympic-sized pool and that it had diving boards. She liked to tell people stories and liked the attention.

Most people would read that as Nancy lied. Nancy liked to lie and liked the attention.

JMHO

[SleuthyGal]

Heider's comments about Nancy's 'exaggerations' are a moot point. Cause obviously Nancy wasn't exaggerating about the level of 'hate' in her crumbling marriage. Nancy was, at times, scared of Brad. Nancy ended up murdered, in one of the safest communities in the country. No one (outside of her husband) saw Nancy alive again after midnight Friday.

Nothing unclear or exaggerated about that!

[EntreNous]

Heider's comments about Nancy's 'exaggerations' are a moot point. Cause obviously Nancy wasn't exaggerating about the level of 'hate' in her crumbling marriage. Nancy was, at times, scared of Brad. Nancy ended up murdered, in one of the safest communities in the country. No one (outside of her husband) saw Nancy alive again after midnight Friday.

Nothing unclear or exaggerated about that!

Precisely. There was no reason to make that comment about Nancy. It served no purpose other than to belittle her as a human being immediately following the discovery of her poor murdered body. IMO is was totally unnecessary.

[cygnusx1]

[QUOTE=EntreNous;2516289]I'm sorry but in that one you posted, Scott doesn't say anything. That's Carol Cooper's affidavit.

I'm actually referring to this one...

Scott Heider Affidavit (http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2008/7/24/20080724_cooperstatements.pdf)

Same one. WRAL rolled up all of the BC support affidavits into one PDF starting with Carol Cooper's. Just scroll through them. I didn't know N&O had them as individual documents.

[SleuthyGal]

The way I see it, whether Nancy exaggerated or embellished things or not no longer matters. The very minute she went missing and was found murdered, all bets were off. Her murder, IMHO, trumps all claims about things she may have exaggerated about. It doesn't matter; maybe it never did, I don't know.

The bottom line is she's dead. Murdered. Husband is likely perp, but that will have to be legally proven. The kids need to be protected. If Brad is emotionally unstable that needs to be determined for the sake of the children. If Brad is arrested for Nancy's murder, he won't be able to take care of those kids during that time anyway. If Brad is convicted of Nancy's murder, then custody is the least of his problems. :behindbar

IMHO, of course.

[EntreNous]

So true. If Brad is innocent why would he behave as he has in the custody matter? Saying anything negative about Nancy or allowing "friends" to speak of her negatively only hurt his chances of maintaining custody of the girls. That's kind of common sense. Moreover this behavior has made him look all the more suspect in her murder.

This is just my opinion but if the girls were mine and I was innocent I'd want them far, far away from the scrutiny of the media and the public eye. Bella and Katie are innocent little girls and don't deserve to be in the middle of all this.

[SleuthyGal]

So true. If Brad is innocent why would he behave as he has in the custody matter? Saying anything negative about Nancy or allowing "friends" to speak of her negatively only hurt his chances of maintaining custody of the girls. That's kind of common sense. Moreover this behavior has made him look all the more suspect in her murder.

This is just my opinion but if the girls were mine and I was innocent I'd want them far, far away from the scrutiny of the media and the public eye. Bella and Katie are innocent little girls and don't deserve to be in the middle of all this.

While I don't approve of spouse bashing, the bigger issue for me is WHY he talked about things he did NOT have to talk about ... and things which were not germane to the custody case. I mean, yeah, I guess I'm glad he did because it gives LE more to work with, but from a strategy standpoint...pretty stupid, IMHO. He would have been better off just addressing things related to his kids and his fitness as a parent and leave the rest of it out.

:shrug:

[RaleighNC]

I agree - for SH to really say anything about Nancy was in bad form. He should have stayed on target and spoke of Brad's relationship WITH THE CHILDREN. If he wanted to toss some mud, the parents and sister should have been the target - as they were fighting for custody - obviously not Nancy.

When Nancy turned up dead, anything she may have done or not done - with the possible exception of if she had ever been physically violent or threatened anyone - was not relevant. There are women that are violent toward men - so had this been the case it would be germane to the murder investigation if BC wanted to claim self defense.

That entire BC / SH relationship is just too damn weird unless they had formed some freakish misogynistic bond and decided that after how they had both been 'wronged' by women, they'd help each other get rid of them - I just can't see them being even the least little bit friendly. Weird, weird, weird.

[EntreNous]

Well see, I doubt he knows the Rentz's or Krista well enough to get away with saying something rotten about them. He knew Nancy, he knew her well. He knew that she'd been betrayed by Brad and by his own wife. You'd think he would have bonded with her since it was the two of them that had been stabbed in the back by their respective spouses. But, no. He betrayed her after she was dead and wasn't even there to defend herself. That's pretty cold, IMO.

[Anderson]

Anderson, for some reason I have also had the feeling that someone else was involved. I wonder if he could have paid an assassin? However, I understand they were in debt. I wonder if he had a life insurance policy on her.

I think she might have been killed, out in the dark, on her way home from the party. She might have had that being watched feeling, prickles at the back of her neck. Then, someone could have stepped out of the dark with black leather gloves on and strangled her.

I feel this. Her last thoughts were of her little daughters.

Your impressions are very interesting and I hope we will soon find out what happened. :)

[The Saint]

i found the forensic astrology blog a compelling read.
could it be that nancy slept out in the garage on that old couch?
did brad lock her in the garage because he was angry?

claycat's vision of the cards fanned out could have been nancy's business cards
or the business cards of others that she had gathered at the party, potential clients for her.

brad may have been angry that she was starting a new business.

if he had talked trash about nancy with a male friend earlier that night, he already was on a slow burn.

he may have exploded when he was reminded of the evidence that she was starting
a business and wouldn't be controlled by him because she would be making her own money.

perhaps it was a hitman or a friend of brad's who killed michelle.
perhaps a friend is morally complicit in the murder if he egged brad on
earlier in the night.

i believe in psychics and am childhood friends w/ a psychic and a medium. both have worked on murder cases w/ the police. one makes her living at it. i have psychic ability - some things proven, some not yet, and i may have wrong about things. i am still working to understand it and my friends serve as my mentors.

[Anderson]

i found the forensic astrology blog a compelling read.
could it be that nancy slept out in the garage on that old couch?
did brad lock her in the garage because he was angry?

claycat's vision of the cards fanned out could have been nancy's business cards
or the business cards of others that she had gathered at the party, potential clients for her.

brad may have been angry that she was starting a new business.

if he had talked trash about nancy with a male friend earlier that night, he already was on a slow burn.

he may have exploded when he was reminded of the evidence that she was starting
a business and wouldn't be controlled by him because she would be making her own money.

perhaps it was a hitman or a friend of brad's who killed michelle.
perhaps a friend is morally complicit in the murder if he egged brad on
earlier in the night.

i believe in psychics and am childhood friends w/ a psychic and a medium. both have worked on murder cases w/ the police. one makes her living at it. i have psychic ability - some things proven, some not yet, and i may have wrong about things. i am still working to understand it and my friends serve as my mentors.

Hi Saint!

Is there any chance that your friends may have some impressions about this case that they would share? It would be very interesting, particularly if they don't know much about the case.

[The Saint]

Hi Saint!

Is there any chance that your friends may have some impressions about this case that they would share? It would be very interesting, particularly if they don't know much about the case.

i have spoken to them both about the michelle young case and had them look at my psychic communication. they both felt like my psychic impressions were correct.

i am Surfside6 on other boards on the Michelle young case. i was able to register here at WS with that name but could never post. tricia tried to troubleshoot the problem but i ended up re-registering as The Saint.

i haven't had the time to really look into nancy's case in depth and i haven't had any psychic information on it.

there is cold case in which i receive information from a murdered girl and i am trying to help her family.