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JBean
08-16-2008, 01:04 PM
I know this is discussed throughout many threads, but I didn't see a thread dedicated to the tattoo.
Let's revisit the whole tattoo thing. Has anyone figured out the date she got it? Where she got it? Why is the Iron tat place mentioned on her site if she didn't use them? Maybe she used Mike for the new one and Iron for the shamrock? (IMO, the shamrock wasn't great work and the Iron seemed to do much higher quality than that tho...so maybe it is the reverse?)
If there is a thread for just the tattoo..please bump it for discussion and I will delete this one.
JBean
08-16-2008, 01:06 PM
I have seen different reports as to how it reads exactly. Can anyone defintively confirm what the tattoo says?
TIA.
SeriouslySearching
08-16-2008, 01:08 PM
Thanks, JBean! I will have to check on that one because I am not positive. I do think the one on her lower back is a four-leaf clover (or is it 3?) I have to check that photo again, too!
JBean
08-16-2008, 01:13 PM
Thanks, JBean! I will have to check on that one because I am not positive. I do think the one on her lower back is a four-leaf clover (or is it 3?) I have to check that photo again, too!
Thanks SS. I would appreciate any and all fact finding regarding the tattoo. If she did indeed get it during the *month* it could indeed be very telling. but I need some factoids!
JBean
08-16-2008, 01:23 PM
You know when people are booked into jail, their distinguishing features and things like tattoos are carefully documented for any future arrests or identification.
So I am certain that there are exact descriptions of any and all tattoos on her jail records. I have briefly looked at her booking page and charges, but did not see where the information on her records is public. If anyone knows if FL posts that information it would be very helpful, because it would be a concrete answer to any and all tattoos and what they say or depict.
Amberjack
08-16-2008, 01:34 PM
The shamrock has something to do with an Irish sports team....
The "Bella Vida" / Beautiful Life tattoo was done after Caylee's disappearance.
If I were an investigator, I'd talk to the person that did the tattoo.
Maybe they were given a reason for the tattoo.
Amberjack
08-16-2008, 01:52 PM
This is what I think the "Bella Vida" tattoo means....
http://www.newhomesource.com/communitydetail/builder-1375/community-26703/view-directions
The "good life"
NighTillDawn
08-16-2008, 02:03 PM
Yea she was living the " good life " after Caylee's disappearance alright.
manatee
08-16-2008, 02:49 PM
This is what I think the "Bella Vida" tattoo means....
http://www.newhomesource.com/communitydetail/builder-1375/community-26703/view-directions
The "good life"
bella vida is BEAUTIFUL life not good life. Good would be BUENA vida
just to make sure we have the right facts:):)
commongrackle
08-16-2008, 02:52 PM
bella vida is BEAUTIFUL life not good life. Good would be BUENA vida
just to make sure we have the right facts:):)
In what language?
Amberjack
08-16-2008, 03:13 PM
bella vida is BEAUTIFUL life not good life. Good would be BUENA vida
just to make sure we have the right facts:):)
Actually, I meant Bella Vida=Beautiful Life
That would be the "good life" for Casey
manatee
08-16-2008, 03:13 PM
In what language?
that's spanish
and by the way...Baez is cuban, Zenaida was probably puerto rican (if she existed) that area (sawgrass) is heavely puerto rican here and the bounty hunter is mexican...in another post somoene grouped all these "hispanics" together and found that suspicious. I just want to correct that they are not really the same and florida has lots of different cultures that speak spanish that don't necessarily "hang" with each other.
curiousmind
08-16-2008, 03:22 PM
I noticed that in the back window of her car is a four leaf clover. Interesting it is on her body as well.
Blink34
08-16-2008, 03:35 PM
The shamrock has something to do with an Irish sports team....
The "Bella Vida" / Beautiful Life tattoo was done after Caylee's disappearance.
If I were an investigator, I'd talk to the person that did the tattoo.
Maybe they were given a reason for the tattoo.
I posted on the general thread some time ago one of the tattoo artists I am aware that she knows. If it was him, they would know by now.
Blink34
08-16-2008, 03:37 PM
Thanks SS. I would appreciate any and all fact finding regarding the tattoo. If she did indeed get it during the *month* it could indeed be very telling. but I need some factoids!
Right- I have looked everywhere- you got news outlets accessing her cell phone records but they can't source where and when she got her last tattoo?? AAH
curiositycat
08-16-2008, 03:38 PM
This is what I think the "Bella Vida" tattoo means....
http://www.newhomesource.com/communitydetail/builder-1375/community-26703/view-directions
The "good life"
I thought that at first but it may also mean Bella Vida Resort vacation homes. Check this link out.
http://www.bellavida-villa.com/
MarleneM
08-16-2008, 03:44 PM
The shamrock has something to do with an Irish sports team....
If I were an investigator, I'd talk to the person that did the tattoo.
Maybe they were given a reason for the tattoo.
I hope LE has figured out and spoken to the tattoo artist who did Casey's tattoo. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out as it's common to either take a friend with you when one gets a tatto, or you tell everyone where you got it (and usually how much you paid) when you show it off to friends and family. I doubt Tony would have missed seeing it. He would be a good source for the date Casey got the Bella Vida tattoo, and where Casey claimed to have received it.
Talking to the artist is a great idea, because it is common for people to explain the symbology behind the tattoos they are getting as a matter of small talk with the person giving the tattoo. Maybe Casey was open enough to mention the tattoo was a memorial, but I bet she didn't. I bet she said she was just a proud mom.
Shamrock sports team logo like Notre Dame?
manatee
08-16-2008, 03:45 PM
I thought that at first but it may also mean Bella Vida Resort vacation homes. Check this link out.
http://www.bellavida-villa.com/
why would she or Tone want to buy a vacation home (or possible rental/vacation property?). The home is 4000 sq ft or so...NOPE. I don't think it has anything to do with this property.
I'm sure Casey speaks a bit of spanish considering the area she grew up in...not uncommon to go back and forth with spanish terms.
MarleneM
08-16-2008, 03:52 PM
I posted on the general thread some time ago one of the tattoo artists I am aware that she knows. If it was him, they would know by now.
I remember reading recently someone's post about a tattoo parlor named "Solid Ink" or "Solid...something" that Casey reportedly mentioned to a friend? No doubt Orlando has a million tattoo parlors, but again - getting a tattoo is something people find worthy of mentioning to friends and/or family (even if they can't show it off) because of the permanency and symbolic nature of tattoos. It's like showing off a new limb because a tattoo becomes part of you, only you can control the originality and design.
Tony at the very least can testify when Casey got the tattoo, and probably where, since he and Casey were spending practically every night together for the last two weeks of June (according to Clint House, Tony's roommate). Tattoo's take a couple of weeks to completely heal, and require special care and bandaging for the first few days. Not something easily hidden from a lover.
JBean
08-16-2008, 03:52 PM
Can nayone actually substantiate what that the bella vida tattoo says bella vida?
Blink34
08-16-2008, 04:20 PM
Can nayone actually substantiate what that the bella vida tattoo says bella vida?
I know is maddening I have asked the same question as I have also seen it as Bella Vital... Everything I have found seems to indicate no direct source.
JBean
08-16-2008, 04:35 PM
I know is maddening I have asked the same question as I have also seen it as Bella Vital... Everything I have found seems to indicate no direct source.
This could just be rumor then. I wonder where it started?
Is there even a tattoo?
Blink34
08-16-2008, 04:37 PM
This could just be rumor then. I wonder where it started?
Is there even a tattoo?
I believe there is, I have to go back, but I know the image is a copy of one sported by Lindsay Lohan and Casey had the image on her myspace.
manatee
08-16-2008, 04:39 PM
I believe there is, I have to go back, but I know the image is a copy of one sported by Lindsay Lohan and Casey had the image on her myspace.
So theres the problem!!!! :doh:
Lindsay Lohan was her role model :banghead:
JBean
08-16-2008, 04:40 PM
I believe there is, I have to go back, but I know the image is a copy of one sported by Lindsay Lohan and Casey had the image on her myspace.
Anything you can find would be great.
the more I look at this case, the more tweaked facts I see. I am not sure about any of our info anymore.
Blink34
08-16-2008, 04:49 PM
Anything you can find would be great.
the more I look at this case, the more tweaked facts I see. I am not sure about any of our info anymore.
Im not sure about alot, but the tattoo Im sure of..not sure why..
SouthernMom
08-16-2008, 05:24 PM
I believe there is, I have to go back, but I know the image is a copy of one sported by Lindsay Lohan and Casey had the image on her myspace.
That's also the name of a song by Linday Lohan
Thinking_Out_Loud
08-16-2008, 05:24 PM
Lindsay Lohan had a tattoo that said "La Bella Vita"..
manatee
08-16-2008, 05:28 PM
Lindsay Lohan had a tattoo that said "La Bella Vita"..
that would be the same thing as beautiful life but in italian :)
Bella vida is in spanish...considering where she lives and going to colonial high she went with spanish. makes sense
LoriKeet
08-16-2008, 05:33 PM
As I heard it (from another site), Casey's tattoo says "Bella Vida" and is Italian for Beautiful Life.
The connection people were making (at least at the time the tattoo was discussed), is that Jose Baez's home address is apparently near a new subdivision that was being built and is called "Bella Vida." The thought was a body could be buried there before concrete foundations were poured, and never be seen again. And that this was Casey's way of "honoring" her daughter. Not sure if people were insinuating that Baez "suggested" this site for hiding evidence or not. And someone else had posted that Zenaida's address was also near this subdivision.
Blink34
08-16-2008, 05:34 PM
That's also the name of a song by Linday Lohan
I think we are back to square one- it could be any variation of these, IM going with at least the first part is Belle
Thinking_Out_Loud
08-16-2008, 05:39 PM
As I heard it (from another site), Casey's tattoo says "Bella Vida" and is Italian for Beautiful Life.
The connection people were making (at least at the time the tattoo was discussed), is that Jose Baez's home address is apparently near a new subdivision that was being built and is called "Bella Vida." The thought was a body could be buried there before concrete foundations were poured, and never be seen again. And that this was Casey's way of "honoring" her daughter. Not sure if people were insinuating that Baez "suggested" this site for hiding evidence or not. And someone else had posted that Zenaida's address was also near this subdivision.
I noticed that too. They both live in Kissimmee, right? Do you think that there's a conspiracy, and Baez is in on it? That would be creepy. What if he's the reason why one day Casey feels that Caylee is safe? Then on other days feels her life is in danger? What if he threatens her?
Sounds like a stretch, but not mentioning to anyone that your daughter is missing sounds like a stretch...
manatee
08-16-2008, 05:40 PM
[QUOTE=LoriKeet;2508436]As I heard it (from another site), Casey's tattoo says "Bella Vida" and is Italian for Beautiful Life.
Spanish, spanish, Bella vida is spanish...
Muzikman
08-16-2008, 05:43 PM
I tried to figure this out a couple weeks ago and couldn't. Nobody came up with an actual picture of her tat, and I'm not even sure how somebody knew what it said - for all I could figure out, it was a guess from somebody.
Thinking_Out_Loud
08-16-2008, 05:43 PM
She probably just wants to be like Lindsay Lohan... That would explain her tattoo and looking for Caylee down that girl's top. :silenced:
manatee
08-16-2008, 05:47 PM
I noticed that too. They both live in Kissimmee, right? Do you think that there's a conspiracy, and Baez is in on it? That would be creepy. What if he's the reason why one day Casey feels that Caylee is safe? Then on other days feels her life is in danger? What if he threatens her?
Sounds like a stretch, but not mentioning to anyone that your daughter is missing sounds like a stretch...
no baez lives in kissimmee area Casey lee vista area. the only possible connection between the two is that casey went to school with Baez's daughter??? it was mentioned in the another post that has recently been moved BENevides
Thinking_Out_Loud
08-16-2008, 05:49 PM
no baez lives in kissimmee area Casey lee vista area. the only possible connection between the two is that casey went to school with Baez's daughter??? it was mentioned in the another post that has recently been moved BENevides
Whoops.. Sorry, for playing the pronoun game. I mean Baez lives around Kissimmee and so does the Zenaida Gonzalez that showed up at Sawgrass on 7/17
dee10134
08-16-2008, 06:55 PM
A Beautiful Life (La Bella Vita) Lindsay Lohan
God won't talk to me
I guess she's pretty busy lately
I like to believe
She's listening
I'm starting to feel
All of my bruises imagined or real
I'll get through each day
i dig through the bad ones
To get to the good ones
Who's keeping score anyway
And this is my beautiful life
Only things certain is everything changes
Lows and the highs
And all those goodbyes
As hard as it gets i know it's still amazing
To be alive
It's a beautiful life
I talk in my sleep
That's the one place I know no one can hear me
I tell my self things
don't Walk in the shadows, there's always tomorrow
And I'm right where I want to be
And this is my beautiful life
Only things certain is everything changes
Lows and the highs
And all those goodbyes
As hard as it gets i know its still amazing
To be alive
It's a beautiful life
Oh it hurts while it happening
I wanna feel everything
How can u know till you try
And this is my beautiful life
My beautiful life
Only things certain is everything changes
Lows and the highs
And all those goodbyes
As hard as it gets i know it's still amazing
To be alive
It's a beautiful life
It's a beautiful life
It's a beautiful life
It's a beautiful life...
JBean
08-16-2008, 07:17 PM
from our timeline thread:
7-??-08 Investigators did not release many new details about the case, Saturday, other than to say that weeks after Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, Casey got a tattoo that says "Bella Vida" in honor of her daughter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html)
Muzikman
08-16-2008, 07:31 PM
from our timeline thread:
7-??-08 Investigators did not release many new details about the case, Saturday, other than to say that weeks after Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, Casey got a tattoo that says "Bella Vida" in honor of her daughter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html)
Good find JBean!
I don't quite trust any of the news stations for preciseness though, as they have been known to get small details wrong. As well as the grandparents.
Without a picture of the tat for confirmation, it could be "La Bella Vida" or "Vida Bella" or some slight variation. Although it may not make much difference...
I'm actually surprised that Casey DIDN't take a picture of it. Maybe it wasn't healed yet?
JBean
08-16-2008, 07:40 PM
Good find JBean!
I don't quite trust any of the news stations for preciseness though, as they have been known to get small details wrong. As well as the grandparents.
Without a picture of the tat for confirmation, it could be "La Bella Vida" or "Vida Bella" or some slight variation. Although it may not make much difference...
I'm actually surprised that Casey DIDN't take a picture of it. Maybe it wasn't healed yet?
ty Muzikman. Curiouser and curiouser.
I really would like to know what they know about this tattoo. Did casey reveal that she had it done? Have they talked to the tattoo artist? What is up with the tat!?
curiositycat
08-16-2008, 07:45 PM
why would she or Tone want to buy a vacation home (or possible rental/vacation property?). The home is 4000 sq ft or so...NOPE. I don't think it has anything to do with this property.
I'm sure Casey speaks a bit of spanish considering the area she grew up in...not uncommon to go back and forth with spanish terms.
Who said anything about buying. You can rent this for a vacation a week at a time. They have several different homes there. I didn't say anything about TonE being involved. This all goes back to a dream I had a couple of weeks ago. It's on another thread.
Muzikman
08-16-2008, 07:48 PM
ty Muzikman. Curiouser and curiouser.
I really would like to know what they know about this tattoo. Did casey reveal that she had it done? Have they talked to the tattoo artist? What is up with the tat!?
Not sure, but the tattoo artist was a friend on Myspace, and she had digital fliers for him in her PhotoBucket account. The Lake Vaj guy also has him as a friend, as well as some tattoo artists associated with him. Casey seems to have known him for a while - I'm assuming that, based on Myspace postings and where the digital flier was in her Photobucket account.
Truly
08-16-2008, 08:33 PM
no baez lives in kissimmee area Casey lee vista area. the only possible connection between the two is that casey went to school with Baez's daughter??? it was mentioned in the another post that has recently been moved BENevides
JBean, (or anyone) do you happen to know where a thread goes when it gets moved? I have seen several people ask, and I've looked, but I still can't seem to find it. Benevides is the guy who put up the reward money for Caylee for 90 days. I don't know if there is a connection to the wording of the tattoo, but he did insert himself into the case in a very public manner on day one. I did try to change the title to Peter B. after I saw the MOD note, but it was too late to edit the title. Thanks.
JBean
08-16-2008, 08:45 PM
JBean, (or anyone) do you happen to know where a thread goes when it gets moved? I have seen several people ask, and I've looked, but I still can't seem to find it. Benevides is the guy who put up the reward money for Caylee for 90 days. I don't know if there is a connection to the wording of the tattoo, but he did insert himself into the case in a very public manner on day one. I did try to change the title to Peter B. after I saw the MOD note, but it was too late to edit the title. Thanks.
If a thread or post is moved because it is in violation..it is moved to the super secret MOD/ADMIN location that we cannot see. Typically that is the last of it. I have however noticed that some of our threads that are heated but not necessarily in violation are being moved to the Parking Lot. They used to be moved there years ago and then it got to be too much of a headache for the mods.
I THINK they are trying to reinstate the policy if we can behave. I have seen a few threads out there.
HOpefully what you seek is out in the PL...but if not..it is gone.
I only see one thread out there from here.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35
MD MOMMY
08-16-2008, 08:54 PM
Well Casey's last name is Italian so that could have something to do with it...maybe she's paying tribute to her heritage..lol
s_finch
08-16-2008, 09:23 PM
[quote=LoriKeet;2508436]As I heard it (from another site), Casey's tattoo says "Bella Vida" and is Italian for Beautiful Life.
Spanish, spanish, Bella vida is spanish...
Correct but also Italian and Spanish are very closely related languages....learned that while taking Italian in college. Lots of cross over names, terms, words, etc....
SeriouslySearching
08-16-2008, 09:54 PM
I read somewhere (have to find it now) that the tat was located low in the front probably on one side or the other. It was out of sight so someone mentioned. I will try to find out where that came from.
Truly
08-16-2008, 10:10 PM
If a thread or post is moved because it is in violation..it is moved to the super secret MOD/ADMIN location that we cannot see. Typically that is the last of it. I have however noticed that some of our threads that are heated but not necessarily in violation are being moved to the Parking Lot. They used to be moved there years ago and then it got to be too much of a headache for the mods.
I THINK they are trying to reinstate the policy if we can behave. I have seen a few threads out there.
HOpefully what you seek is out in the PL...but if not..it is gone.
I only see one thread out there from here.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35
Huh. Well, dang. A lot of time and effort went into the research and posting in that thread. It was one of the very few actual facts to follow up on in this case; the rest is mostly just these mysterious clues and rumors and spin.
Thanks for responding. I admire your intellect as well as your research skills. The research wasn't wasted; I fully intend to follow it up on my own. Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my question. It is appreciated.
manatee
08-16-2008, 10:41 PM
Well Casey's last name is Italian so that could have something to do with it...maybe she's paying tribute to her heritage..lol
bella vida is not italian. it is spanish. bella vida in italian is Bella vita with a T not a D. sorry but it bugs me. Casey lived in a very puerto rican area of town and went to colonial high, a very puerto rican influenced school here in orlando. so spanish makes much more sence than italian. Baez is not puerto rican though, he is cuban.
dee10134
08-17-2008, 12:27 AM
[quote=manatee;2508459]
Correct but also Italian and Spanish are very closely related languages....learned that while taking Italian in college. Lots of cross over names, terms, words, etc....
If this hasn't been covered yet,
"bella vida" is SPANISH
"bella vita" is Italian...
TxRose
08-17-2008, 01:45 AM
If Casey did in fact get this tattoo, I have a hard time believing that it stands for some resort or residential community called Bella Vita (or Vida). If I had to guess, she liked the design...the shamrock can represent good luck. Perhaps this was a tattoo she spotted in the shop and liked the looks of it. Who knows.
I find it a bit weird that if she did get the tattoo in honor of her daughter, why didn't she get something more symbolic of Caylee? Like her name or a flower or something more representative of a little girl? Why a shamrock for good luck? That seems odd and I don't buy that story of Casey's either.
Piglitsmum
08-17-2008, 12:16 PM
I find it a bit weird that if she did get the tattoo in honor of her daughter, why didn't she get something more symbolic of Caylee? Like her name or a flower or something more representative of a little girl? Why a shamrock for good luck? That seems odd and I don't buy that story of Casey's either.
I find it a bit odd that one of the things a mother does to honour her missing daughter, is to go out and get a tatt done this soon! Why would you take time to do that, it isn't going to find her, it isn't a useful use of time, and as we know, nor does Casey appear to have done any searching for her - To me, it is just another self serving, self-centred thing to have done... i.e. it's all about her and not about Caylee...
(There was similarly controversial behaviour when Kate McCann managed to find time out to buy clothes, ribbons and visit beauty and hair salons... just as Madeleine was missing, but there's another thread entirely around that issue, I should imagine...)
(BTW, I have no issues with anyone who has tatts (I'd love one if I were brave enough...), or who gets tatts done to honour the living, lost, departed or missing, it just seems weird that she took time to do this directly when your average distraught mother would likely be doing other things like weeping, and/or tearing the place up to look for her baby...)
*~Aimee~*
08-17-2008, 12:33 PM
I read somewhere (have to find it now) that the tat was located low in the front probably on one side or the other. It was out of sight so someone mentioned. I will try to find out where that came from.
The one on her abdomen she had before Caylee went missing.
Here is a picture of Casey holding Caylee and the tattoo is visible:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2406414&postcount=4
the last picture.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/timeoutlounge/l_0dec08adadd693ef439487c36f7844ab.jpg
*~Aimee~*
08-17-2008, 12:36 PM
[quote=s_finch;2509438]
If this hasn't been covered yet,
"bella vida" is SPANISH
"bella vita" is Italian...
I saw somewhere they are "Italian" I remember reading the "Italian Stallion" somewhere. :waitasec:
cjm11
08-17-2008, 04:14 PM
If you go this link and look in the video column for "New Leads; Tattoo Clue?", towards the end of the video, it says the tattoo had stars on it, something Caylee loved. It also mentioned the Bella Vita words, too. And that Casey got it after Caylee went missing.
http://www.local6.com/news/16933286/detail.html
commongrackle
08-17-2008, 04:48 PM
Oh...say, do we have a photo of her new tattoo?
I think Casey getting the tattoo is further evidence of her unconcerned attitude towards her missing daughter.
Any links for the tat shop where she got the tat? I know my brother-in-law takes photos of the tattoos that he does and they are posted online and also in albums at his tat shop...perhaps the place she got her tattoo does something similar.
If she received it at AAA Funhouse, never mind...they don't have photos of their work posted.
MD MOMMY
08-17-2008, 04:54 PM
bella vida is not italian. it is spanish. bella vida in italian is Bella vita with a T not a D. sorry but it bugs me. Casey lived in a very puerto rican area of town and went to colonial high, a very puerto rican influenced school here in orlando. so spanish makes much more sence than italian. Baez is not puerto rican though, he is cuban.
Well as far as I know we have no confirmation as to which one it was or if it's even true that she got one at all..I guess either would make sense IMO.
To me it would make more sense to get a tatoo after your heritage rather than the fact that you live in a puerto rican area of town BUT then again what exactly has made sense in this entire ordeal...yep NOTHING. So who knows???
cjm11
08-17-2008, 06:18 PM
Has anyone come across this link before? Photobucket acct with picks of Casey. Down towards the bottom looks like there are pics of La Bella Vida (sp?) and stars, etc. I found this link yesterday somehow trying to find out about her tat.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/?start=all
twowolves
08-17-2008, 07:26 PM
Has anyone come across this link before? Photobucket acct with picks of Casey. Down towards the bottom looks like there are pics of La Bella Vida (sp?) and stars, etc. I found this link yesterday somehow trying to find out about her tat.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/?start=all
la vita bella-is one of her pics down below the tattoo store she has on there too called: Cast Iron Tattoos...it's in Orlando 2818 South Orange Ave.
Could her tattoo possibly say 'la vita bella' since she has that phrase in her own photobucket?? And maybe she got her tat at that store???
:waitasec:
FYI-the tattoo on her lower right hip area is pre-Caylee as you can see it in the pic of her holding Caylee on the beach.....so, where is the new supposed one?
Also, I think maybe she/the Anthony's are Italian and Irish, hence the clover tattoo and she also has a clover decal on the rear window that can be seen in some pics of the car that is in custody at the OCSD. No?
chizap
08-18-2008, 02:28 AM
The tattoo parlor mentioned before was SOLID IMAGE Orlando Florida
The resort has been mentioned here also before, but I was thinking, it might be significant
because of the location of Casey's "stomping grounds"
i.e. Universal, Airport etc. I love this map in particular because it ties it together.
http://www.bellavida-villa.com/location.html Eeyore's escape....? Nanny?
We still do NOT know what happened-
If she scouted this area or used this area to hide Casey's body- or if Casey was using Caylee to transport drugs with stuffed animals and strollers within this "amusement" park, vacation resort area.
(remember ALL those stuffed animals? we always had way too many too-
but we didn't have like 3 and 4 of each one! elmo, pooh etc.)
The convenience of the airport nearby....
Maybe Casey and Caylee were at the resort and she drown in the pool there-while Casey was busy visiting someone in her "hierarchy." Or she accidently got into some drugs- and Casey has been threatened never to tell the truth, exposing "them" to the scrutiny.
Seems like everyone has a little something "ON" everyone here. She probably had to tell her parents- not that that would make them happy -but could explain some weird behavior (besides the usual denial aspect) by a professional nurse and ex-cop.
Yet if she died accidently and Casey tried to cover it up, no matter how she has had to HARDEN herself for the consequences, she may in fact be really hurting and scared- she just thought she could get away with the "story" as usual.
She was in too deep.
That being said, she may have kept driving by that big sign BELLA VIDA resorts and it became a "landmark" for her so to speak. Maybe literally and figuratively.
:eek:
Chicogirl36
08-18-2008, 04:14 AM
Sorry to just jump in here, but I would like to hopefully clear this up for the last time :)
Not to beat the subject into the ground, but the way she has spelled it is DEFINATELY Italian. Please take my word, as I am 100%, full-blooded Italian, and can read,write and speak, as I also minored in college in this.
The class was an easy A :D, yet challenging- LOL
I do agree also, as her family is Italian. You can tell George is by looking at him. You sometimes get a sixth sense about these things (takes one to know one). She seems to be proud and represent for the Irish alot, and I'm wondering if maybe Cynthia is part Irish, or one her many beau's were a ND fan?
Not that this matters- WHat matters is that CA got a tat in "Memory Of" her daughter when her daughter hadnt been offically missing yet! WTF?? What is really going on?
txsvicki
08-18-2008, 07:04 AM
This is kind of interesting whether Casey meant it this was or not:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vida
Vida in Portugese means the span between death and birth
Could the tatoo mean it was a beautiful life from birth until death?
twowolves
08-18-2008, 07:22 AM
Here's my :twocents:
I feel like her tattoo...if there actually IS a new one....says "la vita bella" in that exact form/spelling. As that is what she has in her Photobucket acct...as someone posted the link to above.
I think she got the words "la vita bella" from somewhere (internet search?)other than a neighborhood in Orlando...plus it's not spelled like the ones that are local to her Lee Vista home.
This makes complete sense to me as she is obviously Italian (Anthony) and I would bet that her mother, Cindy, is part or all Irish....explaining the four leaf clover presence (car rear window, tattoo).
Also, IMO, she did not get the new tattoo in relation to Caylee's death. And that is JMO.
Now....I need my morning :coffee:!!!
Blink34
08-18-2008, 07:56 AM
This is kind of interesting whether Casey meant it this was or not:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vida
Vida in Portugese means the span between death and birth
Could the tatoo mean it was a beautiful life from birth until death?
That's a great thought tx- certainly possible.
cjm11
08-18-2008, 08:24 AM
Does anyone know who this guy is? His myspace is Lake Vaj. He also has tats of 4 leaf clovers and stars. Any connection?
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/?action=view¤t=anniesbirthdayparty8.jpg
Spyglass
08-18-2008, 12:45 PM
Just another possibility...done while Tony was in NY. A tribute to a new romance or from private murmurings? Time for it to heal while he's away?
websurfer
08-18-2008, 02:44 PM
A Beautiful Life (La Bella Vita) Lindsay Lohan
God won't talk to me
I guess she's pretty busy lately
I like to believe
She's listening
I'm starting to feel
All of my bruises imagined or real
I'll get through each day
i dig through the bad ones
To get to the good ones
Who's keeping score anyway
And this is my beautiful life
Only things certain is everything changes
Lows and the highs
And all those goodbyes
As hard as it gets i know it's still amazing
To be alive
It's a beautiful life
I talk in my sleep
That's the one place I know no one can hear me
I tell my self things
don't Walk in the shadows, there's always tomorrow
And I'm right where I want to be
And this is my beautiful life
Only things certain is everything changes
Lows and the highs
And all those goodbyes
As hard as it gets i know its still amazing
To be alive
It's a beautiful life
Oh it hurts while it happening
I wanna feel everything
How can u know till you try
And this is my beautiful life
My beautiful life
Only things certain is everything changes
Lows and the highs
And all those goodbyes
As hard as it gets i know it's still amazing
To be alive
It's a beautiful life
It's a beautiful life
It's a beautiful life
It's a beautiful life...
Reading this it is not clear why she feels pain?
Casey may have had some bad past experience?
Dunno really....
manatee
08-18-2008, 06:29 PM
[quote=s_finch;2509438]
If this hasn't been covered yet,
"bella vida" is SPANISH
"bella vita" is Italian...
actually, that's not my quote. I was quoting someone else.
I was arguing that bella vita is italian and not spanish.
just to get the facts straight.
curiousmind
08-18-2008, 07:20 PM
Does anyone know who this guy is? His myspace is Lake Vaj. He also has tats of 4 leaf clovers and stars. Any connection?
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/?action=view¤t=anniesbirthdayparty8.jpg
Interesting....
In the Jesse G thread there is mention by Renea that Jesse told her he was heading to his niece Annie's bday party.
Can anyone with more info on how PB works tell me the date of this party?
TheWoman
08-18-2008, 07:25 PM
Interesting....
In the Jesse G thread there is mention by Renea that Jesse told her he was heading to his niece Annie's bday party.
Can anyone with more info on how PB works tell me the date of this party?
Not sure, but a photo or two before it is "Annie's bday party 18" and the photo has a date of 9/1/07, so it's about a year ago maybe? Pretty close to this same time of year, though, if the date is reliable.
AutomaticAuttie
08-18-2008, 07:30 PM
The date Renea said was July 18th, but she did not give a name of the niece.
AutomaticAuttie
08-18-2008, 07:44 PM
Not sure, but a photo or two before it is "Annie's bday party 18" and the photo has a date of 9/1/07, so it's about a year ago maybe? Pretty close to this same time of year, though, if the date is reliable.
What's odd is one of the photo's has that date and the other one with the guy with tattoo's there is no date?
Kimmer
08-18-2008, 07:46 PM
just a thought if she was running around fl using her parents credit cards, I would guess that LE knows exactly where she was inked and have already been there..
TxRose
08-18-2008, 08:24 PM
just a thought if she was running around fl using her parents credit cards, I would guess that LE knows exactly where she was inked and have already been there..
I agree. Even if she didn't use a credit card, it ought to be pretty easy to figure out who produced the artwork by checking with tattoo parlors. Casey might have told them where she got it, since she told them it was in honor of her daughter. Oh wait....that would mean she would have to tell the truth...oops, sorry! LOL
I do find it interested that her guy friend in the photo also has shamrocks and stars in his tattoo. I think I have seen him in other photos - perhaps one of the group shots where they were wearing flags or something. Do we know who he is?
curiousmind
08-18-2008, 09:51 PM
Please disregard the Annie/Niece connection. I was mixing things up.
Sunshinegirl
08-18-2008, 10:02 PM
If you go this link and look in the video column for "New Leads; Tattoo Clue?", towards the end of the video, it says the tattoo had stars on it, something Caylee loved. It also mentioned the Bella Vita words, too. And that Casey got it after Caylee went missing.
http://www.local6.com/news/16933286/detail.html
"Stars" is the new thing in the tattoo world... everyone is getting them. I guess the "tramp stamp" went out... (Tramp stamp is the tattoo everyone was getting on their lower back above the butt)
MD MOMMY
08-18-2008, 10:59 PM
The date Renea said was July 18th, but she did not give a name of the niece.
IIRC she said "the weekend" of the 18th...
MD MOMMY
08-18-2008, 10:59 PM
"Stars" is the new thing in the tattoo world... everyone is getting them. I guess the "tramp stamp" went out... (Tramp stamp is the tattoo everyone was getting on their lower back above the butt)
True True...lots of stars on girls these days..and celebs
*~Aimee~*
08-19-2008, 02:48 AM
What's odd is one of the photo's has that date and the other one with the guy with tattoo's there is no date?
no not odd. Can upload from diff cameras and snag pics from friends. We (as a family) have 3 or 4 cameras and I upload everyone's from a day get together on my account. So there is some with dates and some without dates and some with dates messed up.
diablo
08-19-2008, 10:51 AM
I noticed that in the back window of her car is a four leaf clover. Interesting it is on her body as well.
And the guy she is posing with in the "backpack thread" http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69153&page=3
also has Shamrock tats...
headndownstream
08-19-2008, 12:19 PM
Maybe Casey was open enough to mention the tattoo was a memorial, but I bet she didn't. I bet she said she was just a proud mom.
Nah....She's so narcissistic she probably told people it meant SHE had a beautiful life, wouldn't have been thinking of Caylee at all.
dee10134
08-19-2008, 01:30 PM
What's odd is one of the photo's has that date and the other one with the guy with tattoo's there is no date?
Could have been taken on different cameras...
s1rebecca
08-19-2008, 01:50 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_tattoo
A tattoo of a shamrock is associated with the white supremacist prison gang known as the Aryan Brotherhood. But many people with Irish descent who are not at all affiliated with the Aryan Brotherhood often have shamrock tattoos. These people who are jailed are forced to cover these tattoos by the AB as they aren't allowed to wear the AB tattoo even though it is generally perceived as an Irish symbol. Inside each of the three leaves of the shamrock is often found the number six. St. Patrick used the shamrock to teach ancient druids the holy trinity, and by adding a 6 in each leaf the Aryan Brotherhood makes a comment of turning good to evil. They are also known to hide the 666 or the letters "AB" in other, more mundane tattoos. The Aryan Brotherhood is also known to use 12 as an identifier, with the 1 symbolizing the letter A, and the 2 symbolizing the letter B. Another white supremacist gang, the Aryan Circle, uses "13" as their symbol, with the same derivation.
s1rebecca
08-19-2008, 01:51 PM
Also in one of her Myspace messages didn't she mention someone just got of of prison???
Devorahhh
08-19-2008, 06:22 PM
You know when people are booked into jail, their distinguishing features and things like tattoos are carefully documented for any future arrests or identification.
So I am certain that there are exact descriptions of any and all tattoos on her jail records. I have briefly looked at her booking page and charges, but did not see where the information on her records is public. If anyone knows if FL posts that information it would be very helpful, because it would be a concrete answer to any and all tattoos and what they say or depict.
I believe that personal information such as identifying scars, tattoos,ect are only posted on people who are in the Department of Corrections.
Devorahhh
chizap
08-21-2008, 06:50 AM
Stars & Shamrocks in here
http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2007/07/ex.jpg (http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2007/07/ex.jpg)
krimekat
08-21-2008, 11:23 AM
Lindsey Lohan want-to-be
JMHO
:rocker:
JBean
08-21-2008, 11:25 AM
I believe that personal information such as identifying scars, tattoos,ect are only posted on people who are in the Department of Corrections.
DevorahhhThanks devorahhh. My only frame of reference is how it is done here in Cali.
But it does strike me as odd that they wouldn't record identifying info into the database when people are booked in the OC Jail.
Thanks for that info.
Devorahhh
08-21-2008, 03:41 PM
Thanks devorahhh. My only frame of reference is how it is done here in Cali.
But it does strike me as odd that they wouldn't record identifying info into the database when people are booked in the OC Jail.
Thanks for that info.
It may be considered a violation of their right to privacy as they are considered innocent until proven guilty. Usually the information would be on the arrest report, but not put onto the internet.
Devorahhh
JBean
08-21-2008, 08:31 PM
It may be considered a violation of their right to privacy as they are considered innocent until proven guilty. Usually the information would be on the arrest report, but not put onto the internet.
Devorahhh
here in Cali, that info wouldn't be on the arrest report, but it is recorded when they are booked into jail.
nickismom
08-21-2008, 09:20 PM
I believe that personal information such as identifying scars, tattoos,ect are only posted on people who are in the Department of Corrections.
Devorahhh
In Lake County, Florida (LCSO.org), pictures of tattoos are posted on the internet.
JBean
08-21-2008, 09:36 PM
In Lake County, Florida (LCSO.org), pictures of tattoos are posted on the internet.Thanks nickismom. I know some online county databases include things like that and some don't. that's why I was wondering if Orange County did.
Cagney
08-22-2008, 12:31 AM
I posted this in another thread. Forgive me if its already been said in this one....
First, if you child is missing- missing mind you not dead why would you get a tattoo that basically eulogizes the child?
I mean I realize that the tattoo is open to interpretation. Anyone of us could get a tattoo signifying our children with "Bella Vida (beautiful life)" but if our kids aren't missing it just seems like a way to honor them. Now if you are doing it to signify your missing child it almost seems to me that you have no hope or are not expecting them to come home- especially given that this is supposed to have happened roughly about 5 days after Caylee went missing.
Socre8tv
08-22-2008, 12:53 AM
Hi all-brand new here...
found this in Casey's myspace Icons in PB maybe this is where she got the bella vida tattoo - I saved it to my pb account - heres the link:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f126/socre8tv/l_0bed5c56b1a66d9f83efadced7a4402d.jpg
JBean
08-22-2008, 12:55 AM
I posted this in another thread. Forgive me if its already been said in this one....
What I want to know is if LE really said that the tatto was in honor of her daughter. that was the way it was reported, that it came from LE. I just thought it an odd thing for LE to report for some reason.
So, it was implied that casey told LE this during her interviews.
JBean
08-22-2008, 12:55 AM
Hi all-brand new here...
found this in Casey's myspace Icons in PB maybe this is where she got the bella vida tattoo - I saved it to my pb account - heres the link:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f126/socre8tv/l_0bed5c56b1a66d9f83efadced7a4402d.jpg
Thank you Socre8tv. and welcome!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69116 :)
Capri
08-24-2008, 12:58 AM
Check out this list of CS posts, scroll down to Nov. 21, 2006- names a tattoo place.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67808&page=4
Muzikman
08-26-2008, 03:48 AM
So the tattoo question is still open, there are 2 different spellings of it in the new documents. Drats! We need a picture!
Cagney
08-26-2008, 03:59 AM
In Spanish Life is spelled Vida. I believe because Spanish and Latin are both Latin languages that they would be spelled the same but after googling Vita it seems that Vita is in fact the Italian word for Life.
Whether or not it is implied or fact that she did it to honor her daughter, it is still incredibly eerie to me. Given the circumstances (a$$uming that Caylee is no longer with us), it seems like a eulogy to me. JMO of course.
ketel0ne
08-26-2008, 02:39 PM
A now we know she got it July 2nd.
Balthazar
08-26-2008, 02:58 PM
Detailed information on the tattoo and tattoo artist interview with police is provided in the August 25 released documents, Part 2, starting on page 37.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080463/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Part-2-(A)-1-100
Amberjack
08-27-2008, 09:50 AM
Right!
2818 So. Orange Ave.
Many names for tattoo places
"Solid Image"=http://www.danny-knight.com/
Owner Danny Colarmarino
Casey's tattoo artist: Bobby Lee WILLIAMS on July 2nd
Left shoulder "Bella Vida"
Came by again on JULY 15th Talked to Danny about another tattoo
Appt. for July 19th
Two persons in training for piercing: SHAWN DALY & JOHN DALY
Blink34
08-27-2008, 10:09 AM
A now we know she got it July 2nd.
Absolut, can you tell me how close this is to the Orange County Courthouse or Traffic court fines?
Brini
09-01-2008, 08:18 PM
Can nayone actually substantiate what that the bella vida tattoo says bella vida?
I read that is says, "Bella Vida," and has three yellow flowers. One for each year of Caylee's life? She didn't quite make it to age three.
That tat artist at Cast Iron Tattoes said all she talked about, while she was getting her commemorative tat, was her b.f. Tony.
impatientredhead
09-01-2008, 08:31 PM
I read that is says, "Bella Vida," and has three yellow flowers. One for each year of Caylee's life? She didn't quite make it to age three.
That tat artist at Cast Iron Tattoes said all she talked about, while she was getting her commemorative tat, was her b.f. Tony.
This beautiful life she is referencing very well could be Casey's new life sans child.
Cagney
09-01-2008, 08:37 PM
I absolutely believe from the depths of my soul that she was eulogizing Caylee.
wedavis
09-01-2008, 08:38 PM
I read that is says, "Bella Vida," and has three yellow flowers. One for each year of Caylee's life? She didn't quite make it to age three.
That tat artist at Cast Iron Tattoes said all she talked about, while she was getting her commemorative tat, was her b.f. Tony.
Right, so what proof do we have that it is "commemorative"?
Melly53
09-01-2008, 10:50 PM
From the 400 pages of documents that were released we know that she got the tatoo on July 2nd sometime around noonish IIRC. I found that interesting because the photo of Caylee that she uploaded to her computer was last accessed at 10 something (sorry can't remember exact time). I found it in the information that LE released on the photo. I thought it was significant that she looked at the picture in the morning that day before getting the tatoo.
JBean
09-01-2008, 10:56 PM
was it just me or did the docs refer to the tat as bella Vida in some places and bella Vita in others?
rangdang
09-02-2008, 12:11 AM
I was watching coverage of the Caylee story on one of the news channels, either CNN or Fox a few days ago, and they briefly interviewed the guy who did her tattoo. It was in the tattoo shop and he was working on a sketch during the interview, like they kind of came in with cameras and starting asking questions out of the blue. As I recall, he was a young black guy, and when they asked him if she mentioned Caylee while he was doing her tattoo, he shook his head no and said she talked a lot about her boyfriend, how he was in NY and she was looking forward to him coming back. Said she was in a good mood, happy and excited, etc.
magic-cat
09-02-2008, 02:19 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17303070/detail.html
"Also Tuesday, WESH 2 spoke to a man who gave Casey Anthony a tattoo at the same time she claimed to be desperately searching for her missing daughter.
Anthony had come to the tattoo shop a number of times with Caylee because a couple of her long-time school friends worked there, but the last few times, they said, Caylee was never with her.
On July 2, more than two weeks after Caylee was last seen, and two weeks before Cindy Anthony reported the little girl missing, Bobby Lee Williams gave Casey Anthony a tattoo.
Williams said he did not get a sense that Casey Anthony was looking for a child or worried.
For a half hour, Williams told investigators he drew a design on Casey Anthony's shoulder that read, "bella vida" or "beautiful life."
"She was saying something about a boyfriend up in New York, visiting his parents," Williams said.
The day before she was arrested, Casey Anthony showed up back in the shop and when another artist asked about Caylee, she said her child was with the nanny. She made another appointment for July 19, and said she would bring her daughter in.
Williams said he can't believe the woman who seemed so carefree during that tattooing session, now claims she was desperately searching for Caylee during that same time period."
bobodedoo
09-03-2008, 01:19 AM
Anyone know if she's got any other tatoos that were done at another place? May have found something but not sure it's her necessarily...
bobodedoo
09-03-2008, 01:25 AM
forget it ... the guy who's pics are posted on flickr is in IN so probably not related
Faenorwyn
09-03-2008, 02:34 AM
This could just be rumor then. I wonder where it started?
Is there even a tattoo?
Sorry if someone has already posted this for you guys but here it is again if so:
http://www.wesh.com/news/17303070/detail.html
"On July 2, more than two weeks after Caylee was last seen, and two weeks before Cindy Anthony reported the little girl missing, Bobby Lee Williams gave Casey Anthony a tattoo.
Williams said he did not get a sense that Casey Anthony was looking for a child or worried.
For a half hour, Williams told investigators he drew a design on Casey Anthony's shoulder that read, "bella vida" or "beautiful life.""
Faenorwyn
09-03-2008, 02:48 AM
Right, so what proof do we have that it is "commemorative"?
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html
"Investigators did not release many new details about the case, Saturday, other than to say that weeks after Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, Casey got a tattoo that says "Bella Vida" in honor of her daughter."
There is also a video on this site:
http://www.local6.com/firstnews/17233277/detail.html
If you scroll down to close to the bottom of the video section, it is titled "New Leads; Tattoo Clue?". The information regarding the tattoo is near the end of the video. I'm paraphrasing here, but essentially in the video it is reported that the tattoo reads "Bella Vida" which in Italian means "Beautiful Life" and that Casey got the tattoo in honor of Caylee, also that it has STARS on it (someone else reported yellow roses? - link please?) because Caylee loved stars. I remember seeing this when the video came out and I thought huh, that's interesting because on Casey's photobucket account, there were numerous icons and pictures of "stars", which would seem that Casey herself liked stars. Not sure what that means but, I found it interesting nontheless.
*ETA: I realize others here have claimed that Bella Vida is Spanish and Bella Vita would be Italian. I know nothing about either language - I am merely reporting it the way it was reported on the news.
Pink Panther
09-14-2008, 11:34 AM
Well we now know that Casey got a new tattoo at Cast Iron on July 2nd. There was some speculation that she at some point expressed that the tattoo was in honor of Caylee. I cannot find the original source for this but I have found one article where this information was published:
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html)
It is still not clear whether Casey’s tattoo says “La Bella Vida” or “La Bella Vita” as the 400 page transcripts include both versions (See Part II page 38-40). I am quite convinced that the tattoo reads “La Bella Vita” – the Italian version, because KC had a picture of an icon that had this line on it in her photobucket album before it was removed. I kept the link, but unfortunately the pics are no longer there! (Did anyone download or save these pics!???) The original link (no longer accessible) was:
http://S160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons (http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons) 157/?...
Finally, what I find most interesting...In Part 3 of her interview with LE, KC describes Caylee’s physical appearance and she mentions that Caylee has a birthmark that looks like a line on her left shoulder. In the 400 page document (Part II - page40) it states that KC had the Bella Vista/Vida tattoo done on her left shoulder.
I’m not sure why, but the tattoo really intrigues me...Probably because of its potential symbolism and also because of its permanence.
Linda7NJ
09-14-2008, 12:56 PM
in no way shape or form do i believe for a second that Casey was memorializing Caylee with that tattoo. if anything it was all about her and the life she planned to now have, Caylee free, with the new boyfriend. she was finally free to live her beautiful life.
Pink Panther
09-14-2008, 01:06 PM
in no way shape or form do i believe for a second that Casey was memorializing Caylee with that tattoo. if anything it was all about her and the life she planned to now have, Caylee free, with the new boyfriend. she was finally free to live her beautiful life.
It IS interesting though, that she had it done in the same location as her daughter's birthmark...
Something to think about.
Balthazar
09-14-2008, 01:11 PM
It is common for mothers who kill their children to memorialize them. Diane Downs had a trophy made up with her kids names on it.
Muzikman
09-14-2008, 01:12 PM
It IS interesting though, that she had it done in the same location as her daughter's birthmark...
Something to think about.
I agree. Significant symbolism. Good catch.
And I am pretty sure it was "Vita" with a T.
nickismom
09-14-2008, 01:25 PM
This beautiful life she is referencing very well could be Casey's new life sans child.
Aha! That's what I was wondering also. Wondered if it meant the beautiful life she thought she would have when she was free of Caylee. Yuck.
Linda7NJ
09-14-2008, 01:37 PM
It IS interesting though, that she had it done in the same location as her daughter's birthmark...
Something to think about.
true...and i guess perhaps between riding poles & girls in clubs, making dinner for boyfriend and friends, making up an imaginary nanny, she found a minute to think of her daughter.
txsvicki
09-14-2008, 03:30 PM
In getting the tatoo on July 2nd, Casey could have felt that she had taken care of everything.
Friptzap
09-14-2008, 04:43 PM
sigh... this thread made my head hurt. Vida Vita Vegimin as Lucy would say!!!
Released document number 3 page number 301
"Mr W... stated he knows Ms. Casey Anthony from coming into the tattoo show and getting tattoos. He is a tattoo artist and he completed a tattoo on her left shoulder that read "Bella Vida" on 2 July 2008 around noon time. This took approximately 30 minutes to complete. While she was there that talked about a new guy she had just started dating. The guy wasn't at the shop and she informed him the guy was in New York at a Yankees baseball game. Mr W.... said the last time he saw Ms. Anthony was 15 July 2008. She came to the shop and engaged in conversation with his boss (Danny C...) She was asked by his boss how her daughter was doing to which she replied she was fine and she was with the nanny. She then scheduled a tattoo appointment with him for Saturday July 2008. She informed him that she was bringing a friend but she never told him who that friend would be."
SIGH... I hope that helps! I wonder what the new tat was gonna be???
ketel0ne
09-14-2008, 04:56 PM
So how did she get to the tattoo shop, Tony was in NY, I believe, and the Pontiac was already towed away from the Amscot. It was also before Amy let her use her car.
Galina
09-14-2008, 05:17 PM
absolut, just thinking the same thing.
I'm wondering what are the dates she was "between cars", and what else she was up to...
Maui4me
09-14-2008, 05:54 PM
Was that when she was borrowing Amy's car?
Pink Panther
09-14-2008, 06:21 PM
Part II - Page 37:
On the 15th..."Mrs. Anthony arrived at the Parlor in a Maroon or faded red four (4) door compact car, possibly a Toyota."
More info. on the car she was driving that day in the report. What she was driving on July 2nd is not mentioned.
She may have borrowed Amy's car (or not). It's not clear at this point.
tttterri
09-14-2008, 07:45 PM
Amy drives a Toyota, LE docs her statement. This is the week Casey stayed with her.
BondJamesBond
09-18-2008, 02:14 PM
...I thought you might find this interesting. I did a quick search of this thread and didn't see this posted already. My apologies if it is a repeat. I'm carrying this over from another thread FYI only.
Without debating the potential that the dates & times were altered here (please)...
Comparing notes from LE on the last-known Caylee pic I noted the following:
The pic @ the nursing home - Caylee's last known - was taken with the Nikon.
This pic was copied to Casey's laptop 6/17 @ 3:31PM
The pic was last viewed on Casey's laptop 7/2 @ 10:21AM
Casey got her "Bella.." tattoo 7/2 @ ~12Noon
seeker78
09-18-2008, 02:38 PM
To add a little bit more, Jesse said he received an odd message from Casey on 7/3 about how he shouldn't respond if Cindy messages him or tries to get in touch with him. She tells him to stay out of it. Could she truly care for Jesse and doesn't want him involved if she is found out?
sandcastles4me
09-18-2008, 06:55 PM
...I thought you might find this interesting. I did a quick search of this thread and didn't see this posted already. My apologies if it is a repeat. I'm carrying this over from another thread FYI only.
Without debating the potential that the dates & times were altered here (please)...
Comparing notes from LE on the last-known Caylee pic I noted the following:
The pic @ the nursing home - Caylee's last known - was taken with the Nikon.
This pic was copied to Casey's laptop 6/17 @ 3:31PM
The pic was last viewed on Casey's laptop 7/2 @ 10:21AM
Casey got her "Bella.." tattoo 7/2 @ ~12Noon
Can you please tell me what time if you know that she stopped bye the tatoo parlor on the 15th? Because that is the day she says she spoke to Caylee around noon. Curious:waitasec:
Truthwillsetufree
09-18-2008, 07:06 PM
The four leaf clover is not about a sports team IMHO it is a logo for jeans the teens wear. They are called Lucky Jeans and on the inside if the zipper there is a label sewn in that says "Lucky You".
http://www.luckybrandjeans.com/LuckyFew.aspx
In the photo where Casey is wearing the flag garb there appears to be shamrocks hanging off the door.
BondJamesBond
09-19-2008, 12:59 PM
Can you please tell me what time if you know that she stopped bye the tatoo parlor on the 15th? Because that is the day she says she spoke to Caylee around noon. Curious:waitasec:
Mr. C's, the owner of Cast Iron, statement indicated between "2PM & 4PM". That Casey was driving a car that matches the description of Amy's car. And that Casey commented the she was going to the airport to pick-up friends coming in from PR.
Based on this statement, Casey likely stopped by CIT ~2PM on 7/15. She reportedly picked up Amy @ the airport ~2:30PM.
Brini
09-19-2008, 01:05 PM
I have seen different reports as to how it reads exactly. Can anyone defintively confirm what the tattoo says?
TIA.
She used Iron. It says "Bella Vida." That's the title of A Lindsey Lohan song she likes.
She complained about Tony "not loving her" while she got the tat. She told the artist that Caylee was with the Nanny in Sanford or Stanford (which is north).
Brini
09-19-2008, 01:09 PM
In the photo where Casey is wearing the flag garb there appears to be shamrocks hanging off the door.
That family may be into some Irish in their background. KC's handle was "caseyomarie." "Casey" is a Gaelic name (meaning "vigilant"-- it has about ten letters, in the original Irish). "Caylee" is another, meaning "slender."
hat may be why KC likes shamrocks, though a Celtic harp might be a little more authentic.
Brini
09-19-2008, 01:17 PM
Thanks, JBean! I will have to check on that one because I am not positive. I do think the one on her lower back is a four-leaf clover (or is it 3?) I have to check that photo again, too!
It's a shamrock.
drumstick
09-19-2008, 01:27 PM
...I thought you might find this interesting. I did a quick search of this thread and didn't see this posted already. My apologies if it is a repeat. I'm carrying this over from another thread FYI only.
Without debating the potential that the dates & times were altered here (please)...
Comparing notes from LE on the last-known Caylee pic I noted the following:
The pic @ the nursing home - Caylee's last known - was taken with the Nikon.
This pic was copied to Casey's laptop 6/17 @ 3:31PM
The pic was last viewed on Casey's laptop 7/2 @ 10:21AM
Casey got her "Bella.." tattoo 7/2 @ ~12Noon
Great post!
Thank you for sharing it!
~
BondJamesBond
09-26-2008, 02:16 PM
...I thought you might find this interesting. I did a quick search of this thread and didn't see this posted already. My apologies if it is a repeat. I'm carrying this over from another thread FYI only.
Without debating the potential that the dates & times were altered here (please)...
Comparing notes from LE on the last-known Caylee pic I noted the following:
The pic @ the nursing home - Caylee's last known - was taken with the Nikon.
This pic was copied to Casey's laptop 6/17 @ 3:31PM
The pic was last viewed on Casey's laptop 7/2 @ 10:21AM
The "Diary of Days" was authored on the laptop 7/2 @ 10:42-10:51AM
Casey got her "Bella.." tattoo 7/2 @ ~12Noon
Added red to original list above w/ relevant, newly released pc forensic info 9/26.
butwhatif?
09-26-2008, 03:11 PM
That just gave me chills.. its like being in her mind that day.nice work, Mr Bond
Noway
09-26-2008, 03:28 PM
So how did she get to the tattoo shop, Tony was in NY, I believe, and the Pontiac was already towed away from the Amscot. It was also before Amy let her use her car.
She drove Tony's Jeep while he was in NY. This from the latest testimony released (Amy).
Will add link to thread when I get it. :)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf
Noway
09-26-2008, 03:33 PM
...I thought you might find this interesting. I did a quick search of this thread and didn't see this posted already. My apologies if it is a repeat. I'm carrying this over from another thread FYI only.
Without debating the potential that the dates & times were altered here (please)...
Comparing notes from LE on the last-known Caylee pic I noted the following:
The pic @ the nursing home - Caylee's last known - was taken with the Nikon.
This pic was copied to Casey's laptop 6/17 @ 3:31PM
The pic was last viewed on Casey's laptop 7/2 @ 10:21AM
Casey got her "Bella.." tattoo 7/2 @ ~12Noon
I read in the latest release of documents that Troy and his friend Melissa met up with Casey, and the first thing she said to Melissa was that they (she and Melissa) should get tattoos. This was on July 2. Melissa spent the day with Casey because Troy had to work. I thought the Bella Vita (or Vida ... still not sure which it is) tattoo was given on July 3.
I'm not questioning your post (well maybe I am just a little) but having read so much lately, my notes could be wrong. Trying to get the information accurate.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf
impatientredhead
09-26-2008, 04:21 PM
I read in the latest release of documents that Troy and his friend Melissa met up with Casey, and the first thing she said to Melissa was that they (she and Melissa) should get tattoos. This was on July 2. Melissa spent the day with Casey because Troy had to work. I thought the Bella Vita (or Vida ... still not sure which it is) tattoo was given on July 3.
I'm not questioning your post (well maybe I am just a little) but having read so much lately, my notes could be wrong. Trying to get the information accurate.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf
Two of the friend's statements say that this tattoo says Buena Vida not Bella Vita. The good life, not beautiful life. Which makes it even sadder really.
BondJamesBond
09-26-2008, 04:34 PM
Two of the friend's statements say that this tattoo says Buena Vida not Bella Vita. The good life, not beautiful life. Which makes it even sadder really.
Uh oh...:doh:
...if you page back through this thread you'll see a large% of it is devoted to the less-filling vs. taste-great type of debate about every combination of B & V you can imagine.
I was trying to stay away from that with "Bella..." oh, well...:)
NoWay - I used the dates given by the orig. 400pg documents for the date of the tattoo. If different info has surfaced on the date of the tatoo I just haven't caught up yet.
Lake Erie Princess
09-26-2008, 04:43 PM
That family may be into some Irish in their background. KC's handle was "caseyomarie." "Casey" is a Gaelic name (meaning "vigilant"-- it has about ten letters, in the original Irish). "Caylee" is another, meaning "slender."
hat may be why KC likes shamrocks, though a Celtic harp might be a little more authentic.
agreed !
George A is Italian and Cindy is Irish. So naturally the shamrock would be a symbol of her Irish heritage. In one the pics also, Caylee had an "Irish" saying shirt on.
The shamrock represents the "trinity" with the 3 leaves.
magiemay
09-26-2008, 04:52 PM
So how did she get to the tattoo shop, Tony was in NY, I believe, and the Pontiac was already towed away from the Amscot. It was also before Amy let her use her car.
If I remember correctly in the first 400 pages the tattoo artist said she was driving a small red or burgundy car , sounds like amy's to me>
magiemay
09-26-2008, 04:54 PM
agreed !
George A is Italian and Cindy is Irish. So naturally the shamrock would be a symbol of her Irish heritage. In one the pics also, Caylee had an "Irish" saying shirt on.
The shamrock represents the "trinity" with the 3 leaves.
And if you catch how she is listed on some of her internet groups she is Casey O Marie sort of reminds me of the Irish you know like Omaly or Ohenery.jmo
Lake Erie Princess
09-26-2008, 04:56 PM
And if you catch how she is listed on some of her internet groups she is Casey O Marie sort of reminds me of the Irish you know like Omaly or Ohenery.jmo
Bright minds think alike...:blowkiss:
websurfer
09-26-2008, 05:04 PM
Did Annie the person Casey went to her regular tattoo artist with
could Annie be Zannie/ ?
Where is the interview with Annie/
and what's Annie's last name/
?:behindbar
websurfer
09-26-2008, 05:08 PM
agreed !
George A is Italian and Cindy is Irish. So naturally the shamrock would be a symbol of her Irish heritage. In one the pics also, Caylee had an "Irish" saying shirt on.
The shamrock represents the "trinity" with the 3 leaves.
Found a Shamrock hat[ all cut up so as not to ever be worn again?}
The lady who took the trash bag looked in it and that IRISh hat was all cut up in it?
This was while Casey has been on home confinement...
And Annie is ZANNY without the Z?
what's Annie's last name?how long has she known her?
And did she ever watch Caylee?
Brini
09-26-2008, 06:43 PM
agreed !
George A is Italian and Cindy is Irish. So naturally the shamrock would be a symbol of her Irish heritage. In one the pics also, Caylee had an "Irish" saying shirt on.
The shamrock represents the "trinity" with the 3 leaves.
Yep! The Christian trinity, and before that, the Irish Pagan trinity.
BondJamesBond
09-26-2008, 11:36 PM
If I remember correctly in the first 400 pages the tattoo artist said she was driving a small red or burgundy car , sounds like amy's to me>
Actually, that was on 7/15, the day she was driving Amy's car to the airport to pick-up Amy, Ricardo, et.al. Its confusing, I know. I thought she was driving Amy's car 7/2 also when I originally read the 400pgs relating the events @ Cast Iron Tattoo. Re-reading it the red car was attributed to 7/15.
LookingForThe Truth
09-27-2008, 12:42 AM
Interview With Danny C. From Tattoo Shop:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/09%20Danny%20Colamarino%20Transcript.pdf
MSinIndy
09-27-2008, 06:35 PM
SHAMROCK meaning in the urban dictionary. Sounds like Casey to me!
4. shamrock 4 up, 17 down
Verb.
(1) To screw someone over; scam.
(2) To inflict severe injury upon someone as leverage to facilitate the extortion of money.
"Shamrock" is most frequently encountered in the passive, as in, "you have been shamrocked." (Origin: Shamrock Towing, a notoriously unethical business in the greater Columbus, Ohio area, ca. 1957)
(1) After paying $115 for the predatory towing of his car, Willis figured out he'd been shamrocked and called an attorney.
(2) "You didn't pay Vinnie your protection this month?! Buddy, you are sooo shamrocked!"
magic-cat
09-28-2008, 01:31 AM
Found a Shamrock hat[ all cut up so as not to ever be worn again?}
The lady who took the trash bag looked in it and that IRISh hat was all cut up in it?
This was while Casey has been on home confinement...
And Annie is ZANNY without the Z?
what's Annie's last name?how long has she known her?
And did she ever watch Caylee?
Downing/ maybe...
imnotheonlyone
09-28-2008, 01:38 AM
Who is BOBBY and where is HIS statement? While reading the computer forensics report, I noticed that several file paths included a folder named "BOBBY" - after reading that the name of Casey's tattoo artist is Bobby, I searched for HIS statement to the police (surely they have one), but didn't see that one has been released? Anyone know more about Bobby?
magic-cat
09-28-2008, 01:51 AM
Who is BOBBY and where is HIS statement? While reading the computer forensics report, I noticed that several file paths included a folder named "BOBBY" - after reading that the name of Casey's tattoo artist is Bobby, I searched for HIS statement to the police (surely they have one), but didn't see that one has been released? Anyone know more about Bobby?
Bobby is the one who actually DID Casey's tattoo...and I have not run up on his interview yet...I have been wondering the same thing...where is his statement? and had just come in here to see if anyone has seen it and you had asked the question for me!:crazy:
concentric
09-28-2008, 03:30 AM
in no way shape or form do i believe for a second that Casey was memorializing Caylee with that tattoo. if anything it was all about her and the life she planned to now have, Caylee free, with the new boyfriend. she was finally free to live her beautiful life.
I found lyrics from a song titled "Bella Vida." It seems to be a romantic song about a man turning a woman's sadness to happiness and changing her life by taking her to a spanish town.
So, I guess that confirms Vida is spanish? Odd coincidence that the writer's first name is also Tony (no, I don't think it's the Tony, boyfriend).
concentric
09-28-2008, 03:53 AM
We still don't know what the tattoo says, right?
My first thought was that it was the Italian side and the Irish was the shamrock, as some have said. But then it turned into a Spanish spelling:waitasec:
Sorry, I'm confused.
Jennerbear
09-28-2008, 05:43 AM
Here is a tattoo on Lindsey Lohan.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7014/28eg6hw.jpg
Pink Panther
09-28-2008, 09:12 AM
We still don't know what the tattoo says, right?
My first thought was that it was the Italian side and the Irish was the shamrock, as some have said. But then it turned into a Spanish spelling:waitasec:
Sorry, I'm confused.
There was an icon picture in KC's photobucket account with the line "La bella vita". Exactly like Linsey Lohan's. I think that is what she had tattoo'd on her shoulder.
websurfer
09-28-2008, 09:42 AM
The shamrock has something to do with an Irish sports team....
The "Bella Vida" / Beautiful Life tattoo was done after Caylee's disappearance.
If I were an investigator, I'd talk to the person that did the tattoo.
Maybe they were given a reason for the tattoo.
" Bueno Vita" --- right shoulder[location]
~~~~~~
according to my notes as told by a person
from the tattoo shop?
a person named bobby did her tatttoo or is that the shop owner?
I only jotted down the description & location of the tattoo.
Not names need to review documents.
Also that was friend ANNIE's tat reference.Where she and Casey went i think ?
looking for exact quotes from anyone who can find the text...
websurfer
09-28-2008, 09:50 AM
I found lyrics from a song titled "Bella Vida." It seems to be a romantic song about a man turning a woman's sadness to happiness and changing her life by taking her to a spanish town.
So, I guess that confirms Vida is spanish? Odd coincidence that the writer's first name is also Tony (no, I don't think it's the Tony, boyfriend).
Casey is INSANE!
Everything she does is crazy...
:Banane13::puke::drink::Banane12:
Pink Panther
09-28-2008, 09:53 AM
" Bueno Vita" --- right shoulder[location]
~~~~~~
according to my notes as told by a person
from the tattoo shop?
a person named bobby did her tatttoo or is that the shop owner?
I only jotted down the description & location of the tattoo.
Not names need to review documents.
Also that was friend ANNIE's tat reference.Where she and Casey went i think ?
looking for exact quotes from anyone who can find the text...
The LE report has both versions. One account says "la bella vida" (Spanish) and the second says "la bella vita" (Italian). Based on her photobucket pic and the fact that part of her heritage is Italian, I think she went with the Italian version. MOO
magic-cat
09-28-2008, 12:12 PM
Has ANYONE seen an interview with the dude that DID the tattoo yet?
maureenv
09-28-2008, 01:13 PM
Has ANYONE seen an interview with the dude that DID the tattoo yet?
Nope...his and Annie's were excluded. Thinking LE is using those for the GJ
Betty Boop
09-28-2008, 10:47 PM
Why isn't KC flaunting her tattoo? If it was just a harmless, regular 'ol tattoo, I would think she might get that shoulder in the view of the camera, kwim? Kinda like a high-5 thing.
I think it's a memorial tattoo and JB told her to keep it covered.
:waitasec:
the by and by
09-29-2008, 12:56 AM
http://www.metrolyrics.com/beautiful-life-la-bella-vita-lyrics-lindsay-lohan.html ______Read the lyrics. very interesting. Hope I can post this, I never have copy and pasted anything. I notice others do but do not know what is acceptable and what is not. So if I get 'Time-out' I apologize now and see you later I hope. Not sure if it will work anyway since I'm not too good at this.
magic-cat
09-29-2008, 10:38 AM
Just a random idea, but I keep noticing that Zenaida has several tattoos, and I wonder if she and Casey may have at some point have frequented the same tattoo shop? It IS a common denominator, so worth taking a look at...
IrishSweetOne
09-29-2008, 11:04 AM
" Bueno Vita" --- right shoulder[location]
~~~~~~
according to my notes as told by a person
from the tattoo shop?
a person named bobby did her tatttoo or is that the shop owner?
I only jotted down the description & location of the tattoo.
Not names need to review documents.
Also that was friend ANNIE's tat reference.Where she and Casey went i think ?
looking for exact quotes from anyone who can find the text...
Also Amy saw it and said Casey said it's Italian so this would be " Bueno Vita " or "la bella vita"
IrishSweetOne
09-29-2008, 11:06 AM
Just a random idea, but I keep noticing that Zenaida has several tattoos, and I wonder if she and Casey may have at some point have frequented the same tattoo shop? It IS a common denominator, so worth taking a look at...
I already have . ZG's boyfriend or ExBF has Cast Iron Tats as a friend on his Myspace page
Noway
09-29-2008, 11:19 AM
Bueno. Buena. Bella. Vida. Vita. ... Visa! :waitasec: My head is spinning.
The good life would be la buena vida.
The beautiful life would be la bella vida.
These are the Spanish versions.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080131102840AAwJmF7
I believe Casey told everyone it was "Italian" but I'd have to laugh if she got the Spanish version and didn't realize it.
The Italian version would be la bella vita.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071218133541AA853Vc
I doubt we will see the actual tattoo on Casey since it has become such a controversial issue.
BondJamesBond
10-12-2008, 10:03 PM
...ok....jusforgrins...
Who'dya think Casey was planning to have join her on 7/19 to get inked? That's not exactly somethin' you 'surprise' someone with is it?
Do you think it lends some weight to an accomplice?
Or, do you think it was going to be a litmus test for Tony? (e.g. if you love me you'll do it)
Other possibilities? I haven't seen this explored much. My apologies if I skipped over it somewhere.
MD MOMMY
10-12-2008, 10:18 PM
" Bueno Vita" --- right shoulder[location]
~~~~~~
according to my notes as told by a person
from the tattoo shop?
a person named bobby did her tatttoo or is that the shop owner?
I only jotted down the description & location of the tattoo.
Not names need to review documents.
Also that was friend ANNIE's tat reference.Where she and Casey went i think ?
looking for exact quotes from anyone who can find the text...
IIRC it's on her left shoulder..I found it ironic b/c Caylee's birthmark is on her left shoulder as well. My bets are on the Italian version La Bella Vita since that was in her photobucket.
TURBOTHINK
10-12-2008, 11:00 PM
To add a little bit more, Jesse said he received an odd message from Casey on 7/3 about how he shouldn't respond if Cindy messages him or tries to get in touch with him. She tells him to stay out of it. Could she truly care for Jesse and doesn't want him involved if she is found out?
No she just didn't want anyone talking to CA because CA was looking for Caylee and she knew that would make Jesse want to know where Caylee was too.
seagull65
10-12-2008, 11:25 PM
This could just be rumor then. I wonder where it started?
Is there even a tattoo?
I thought Troy B said in his police interview that a male, heavily tattooed friend of KC's picked her up on July 3 and she returned later that day with the new Bella Vita tattoo. According to TB she had tried the evening before to persuade his friend to go with her to get a new tatt, but the other girl had declined.
I think there was a police interview with the artist or shop regarding this particular tatto, I'll see if I can find that passage...
JBean
10-13-2008, 01:09 AM
I thought Troy B said in his police interview that a male, heavily tattooed friend of KC's picked her up on July 3 and she returned later that day with the new Bella Vita tattoo. According to TB she had tried the evening before to persuade his friend to go with her to get a new tatt, but the other girl had declined.
I think there was a police interview with the artist or shop regarding this particular tatto, I'll see if I can find that passage...Thank you SG65, I have seen most of the documentation by now. My post was from 8/16 before any of the doc dumps :)
magic-cat
10-13-2008, 01:16 AM
No interview with the tattoo artist, Bobby, was ever released, so for some reason, unbeknownst to us, they have kept that particular interview close to the vest-perhaps she TOLD him that it was a tribute to Caylee? If that is the case, then we can look to see him on the witness list for Murder when those charges arise...hopefully Tueday!
seagull65
10-13-2008, 01:17 AM
Thank you SG65, I have seen most of the documentation by now. My post was from 8/16 before any of the doc dumps :)
Hi JBean, for some reason I wasn't seeing a bunch of the pages of this thread at the time I was posting! It looked like there were only 3 pages with not much info posted here yet! :) Now I get it, I wondered why the old questions were appearing again, the old threads were getting bumped to front again (sometimes it is just someone new on the board who hasn't read those particular interviews yet and you can save them the time spent looking by telling them which interview, I didn't realize it was you! :)
JBean
10-13-2008, 01:31 AM
Hi JBean, for some reason I wasn't seeing a bunch of the pages of this thread at the time I was posting! It looked like there were only 3 pages with not much info posted here yet! :) Now I get it, I wondered why the old questions were appearing again, the old threads were getting bumped to front again (sometimes it is just someone new on the board who hasn't read those particular interviews yet and you can save them the time spent looking by telling them which interview, I didn't realize it was you! :)
I appreciate you taking the time to find the info for me.:)
drumstick
10-13-2008, 08:02 AM
So, which is it? Anybody know for sure?
Bueno Vita
Bella Vita
Bella Vida
?
thanks~
Gummishoe
10-13-2008, 09:13 AM
So, which is it? Anybody know for sure?
Bueno Vita
Bella Vita
Bella Vida
?
thanks~
Noway is correct "la bella vita"
Yes, I am Italian :blushing:
BondJamesBond
10-13-2008, 09:42 AM
...ok....jusforgrins...
Who'dya think Casey was planning to have join her on 7/19 to get inked? That's not exactly somethin' you 'surprise' someone with is it?
Do you think it lends some weight to an accomplice?
Or, do you think it was going to be a litmus test for Tony? (e.g. if you love me you'll do it)
Other possibilities? I haven't seen this explored much. My apologies if I skipped over it somewhere.
...ok after the "Bella" this vs. the "Bella" that debate settles (again)...
Anyone want to weigh in on who didn't get the tat Casey scheduled for 7/19?
drumstick
10-13-2008, 10:45 AM
Noway is correct "la bella vita"
Yes, I am Italian :blushing:
Thank you...
The Bella Vita neighborhood has been searched and cleared?
simonsmom
10-13-2008, 01:50 PM
It must be a very popular tatoo. This was on a Jennifer Kesse site.
On April 3, 2008, the Orlando Police Department released two new photos: one showing Jennifer Kesse's four-leaf clover tattoo (which is on her left hip just below her bikini line, about the size of a quarter) and a brown purse that she was believed to be carrying when she was abducted.
drumstick
10-23-2008, 08:16 AM
I think everybody knows by now that there is a Bella Vida (new construction) housing development in that area. There also a Bella Vita area.
My question to you (who have tattoos) is this....
What actual weight should we give to the timing that KC got this tattoo ... and ...
What kind of thoughts do you have before making that decision in the selection?
Is it a sentimental one or trying to be cool?
I know we've discussed the possibility that KC got this tattoo to honor her daughter.
I'd like to know what your thoughts are/were when you got your own.
If this isn't the appropriate thread for this conversation please move it and advise where it is.
thanks~
insatiable
10-23-2008, 08:35 AM
Nevermind I was mistaken
OneLostGrl
10-23-2008, 08:41 AM
Isn't the location and exact wording of her tattoo listed on her "rap sheet" through the jail? Normally this is something that LE (probation and parole as well) stays up to date with when one is arrested, some states even photograph new tattoos a person may have gotten since their last arrest.
tehcloser
10-23-2008, 08:50 AM
I think everybody knows by now that there is a Bella Vida (new construction) housing development in that area. There also a Bella Vita area.
My question to you (who have tattoos) is this....
What actual weight should we give to the timing that KC got this tattoo ... and ...
What kind of thoughts do you have before making that decision in the selection?
Is it a sentimental one or trying to be cool?
I know we've discussed the possibility that KC got this tattoo to honor her daughter.
I'd like to know what your thoughts are/were when you got your own.
If this isn't the appropriate thread for this conversation please move it and advise where it is.
thanks~
You think long and hard about it usually. It's not just an instant decision unless you are a young drunk male out with your buddies...lol. To me that tat means something to her. We may never know what, but something. I only have one, hubby and I have matching ones...and we thought about it for awhile. We both have a pegasus on our left shoulder. For us, it meant dreamers can fly, sappy I know....lol
*Guess I should have added that 6 kids, 8 grandkids (with twins on the way) later...we still dream....
twoboysmom
10-23-2008, 08:51 AM
Long time lurker, 1st time poster. Found this while googling and thought it was interesting:
Exercise caution when it comes to the popular Italian phrase "life is beautiful" which many people, including Lindsay Lohan, have been getting recently. "La vita e bella" is the correct translation, and even though it uses the same words, some people have been getting "la bella vita" which actually translates to "the beautiful life", and is used in Italy to describe someone who is living a life of wealth, throwing parties and spending extravagant amounts of money.
drumstick
10-23-2008, 08:56 AM
You think long and hard about it usually. It's not just an instant decision unless you are a young drunk male out with your buddies...lol. To me that tat means something to her. We may never know what, but something. I only have one, hubby and I have matching ones...and we thought about it for awhile. We both have a pegasus on our left shoulder. For us, it meant dreamers can fly, sappy I know....lol
You're great! Your post is just what I'm looking for.
thanks~
drumstick
10-23-2008, 08:56 AM
Long time lurker, 1st time poster. Found this while googling and thought it was interesting:
Exercise caution when it comes to the popular Italian phrase "life is beautiful" which many people, including Lindsay Lohan, have been getting recently. "La vita e bella" is the correct translation, and even though it uses the same words, some people have been getting "la bella vita" which actually translates to "the beautiful life", and is used in Italy to describe someone who is living a life of wealth, throwing parties and spending extravagant amounts of money.
Welcome to Ws, twoboysmom :)
Thank you for posting!
Maya Love
10-23-2008, 09:44 AM
I have a few tats, and I thought very long and hard about them. I plan on getting two more , and have been thinking about it for the past 2 yrs seriously, looking for the perfect art to convey what I want.
I can see Casey being impulsive in this area though. She was trying to convince someone's friend (Troy's?) that was visiting to join her. IIRC, she also got her nails done that same day. It's in the docs, but I"m too lazy to find it. I know Casey mentioned in texts or IMs that she was getting "more ink" but I really think she was in this group that thought/thinks it's cool and she was just following the pack. IOW, I believe Casey most likely was impulsive in her choice for a new tat and it's highly likely that she was trying to emulate LaLohan's. JMO
lilnycsweetie
10-23-2008, 09:56 AM
I think everybody knows by now that there is a Bella Vida (new construction) housing development in that area. There also a Bella Vita area.
My question to you (who have tattoos) is this....
What actual weight should we give to the timing that KC got this tattoo ... and ...
What kind of thoughts do you have before making that decision in the selection?
Is it a sentimental one or trying to be cool?
I know we've discussed the possibility that KC got this tattoo to honor her daughter.
I'd like to know what your thoughts are/were when you got your own.
If this isn't the appropriate thread for this conversation please move it and advise where it is.
thanks~
OK, my tattoos are like markers in time. When I look at one, I can tell you exactly where I was and what I was doing in my life. I can even tell you my frame of mind and even for some of them what I was wearing that day (this is because some tattoos require you to sit in certain positions and pull up clothing).
What is interesting though is when I decide to get a new tattoo, I am not thinking I want to get this to remember today – but it works out to be like that. All of my tattoos do have some meaning intertwined in them. There is a reason why I am getting that piece of art on my body.
DesSands
10-23-2008, 09:58 AM
I am of Italian descent and Bella has always meant beautiful. When I was growing up they would squeeze your cheeks and say Bella, or Que Se Bella.
Now Vida I can't speak for.
Spanish usually ends with S's like Buenos etc. Very close languages Spanish and Italian.
I took TL to be Italian, Lazzaro ??
DesSands
10-23-2008, 09:59 AM
Soooooo again she morphs !! Italian-Tony Lazzaro
Pink Panther
10-23-2008, 10:07 AM
I have a few tats, and I thought very long and hard about them. I plan on getting two more , and have been thinking about it for the past 2 yrs seriously, looking for the perfect art to convey what I want.
I can see Casey being impulsive in this area though. She was trying to convince someone's friend (Troy's?) that was visiting to join her. IIRC, she also got her nails done that same day. It's in the docs, but I"m too lazy to find it. I know Casey mentioned in texts or IMs that she was getting "more ink" but I really think she was in this group that thought/thinks it's cool and she was just following the pack. IOW, I believe Casey most likely was impulsive in her choice for a new tat and it's highly likely that she was trying to emulate LaLohan's. JMO
She did have an icon in her photobucket account with "La Bella Vita" on it...So, while she may be impulsive, she did look for the idea beforehand.
ETA - I am Italian. "La vita e bella" means "life is beautiful/good". "La bella vita" means "the good life".
Friptzap
10-23-2008, 10:27 AM
Bueno. Buena. Bella. Vida. Vita. ... Visa! :waitasec: My head is spinning.
The good life would be la buena vida.
The beautiful life would be la bella vida.
These are the Spanish versions.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080131102840AAwJmF7
I believe Casey told everyone it was "Italian" but I'd have to laugh if she got the Spanish version and didn't realize it.
The Italian version would be la bella vita.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071218133541AA853Vc
I doubt we will see the actual tattoo on Casey since it has become such a controversial issue.
la bella vita
Is an image that was on her photobucket account. Look for the photo thread where I posted this image.
BondJamesBond
10-23-2008, 11:41 AM
FWIW...
There has been some debate on the date of the tattoo since, IIRC, there was disagrmeent between tattoo artist Bobby W.'s statement to LE of 7/2 vs. Troy's statement to LE about 7/3.
The cell ping records clearly show Casey in the vicinity of CIT @ 12:04PM until 12:42PM where she's pinging towers on either side of it (Sawgrass to east & Mall to southwest). Afterward 12:42PM she pings the Mall tower pretty consistently until 2:49PM. FWIW, among others she appears to be having a text exchange w/ Cindy about the time she's getting inked :)
At 2:52PM she calls home to apparently check if the coast is clear and continues texting w/ Cindy while she goes the house for ~15mins.
In contrast, on 7/2, she pings @ RM's apartment before, during & after the Noontime hour given by Bobby as the time she got her tattoo...taking roughly 30mins, IIRC.
shadow of my mind
10-23-2008, 03:34 PM
Based on what is in the interview about the tattoo it appears that it is not clear when Casey had it done on; July 2nd or July 3rd. Sean D. said she came in on July 2 to make an appointment. Danny C. statement says July 2 but I have a problem with the way he answered for the person. I have to wonder why Danny jumps on the July 2 date like that.
Jonathon D. says about 2 weeks ago but he was not there and gives no date. Bobby W. says on July 2 at noon and he was the one that was suppose to have done it. Lance W. never mentions it at all in his interview. Troy B. and Amy H. both say she had it done on July 3. There is no statement from Iassan. Using phone records the 3rd is a better fit, but if Bobby gave a time at noon for the 2nd and the day is not right the time could be wrong also. I still working on the interview statements but there isn’t anyone left that I know that would have any better knowledge than the ones that I have already looked at.
Could someone help me out? I do not seem to have all of the transcripts. Is there actual word for word interview with Bobby W., Lance W. and Iassan?
The tattoo
Danny C. of CIT Interview with LE 7/17/2008
Danny: Um, Lance
UM1 What’s up?
Danny: Before you get real started with him can you pull me out uh, where could I find her old, uh her last waiver form?
UM1: [Lance] Um. I got to find out from Bobby exactly when he tattooed her. I think it was
Danny: Two weeks ago.
UM1 [Lance] Two weeks ago? Is the…
UM2 2nd of July
UM1 [Lance] The 2nd of July
UM2 [Unknown] Yeah.
Page Lines 6-11 Danny C. of CIT Interview with LE 7/17/2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...Transcript.pdf
[I believe that UM2 may be Iassan]
I have to wonder about the way Mr. DC finished this guys answer for him. It seemed as though Lance was a little confused about the two- week time frame. Then unidentified may #2 comes up with the date clear out of the blue. July 2nd and then Lance repeats it. Unfortunately we do not know who UM2 is since the officer never bothered to take the persons name. UM1 was written down a Lance at the top of interview heading.
Jonathan D. Interview with LE on 7/17/2008
Unknown date: Jonathan states he saw Casey on the day his brother was getting a tattoo, [never gives a date] he had just came in to hang out it was about two weeks ago. Casey had come in to make an appointment to get a tattoo, and she just hung around. It was a couple of day before she got the tattoo. He was out of town when she did have it done.
Page 850 Lines 1-17 Jonathan D. Interview with LE on 7/17/2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...Transcript.pdf
interview with Bobby
Bobby W. States Casey had her tattoo done on July 2nd around noon.
Page 301 of typed overview from LE. Original Doc dump. I can’t find the actual interview with Bobby
interview with Lance W.
Lance W. does not make mention of Casey getting a tattoo only making an appointment for one on July 19th.
Page 301 of typed overview from LE. Original Doc dump. I can’t find the actual
interview with Lance W.
Sean D. Interview with LE on 7/16/2008
July 2 Sean states that he saw Casey at the tattoo shop. She was coming in to get an appointment
Page 862 Lines 18 Page 863 Lines 3 Sean D. Interview with LE on 7/16/2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...Transcript.pdf
Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
July 3 Casey gets a tattoo, Troy B. had to go to work and Melissa E. spent about 5 hours with her
Page 1328 Lines 9-20 Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf
Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
July 3 Casey wakes up and runs out and gets a tattoo referencing Line 1 of same page [Cast Iron Tattoo 2818 S Orange Ave Orlando, FL 32806]
Page 1047 Line 9 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf
These two bits of the interviews below are interesting. It does nothing to give a solid date but it may go to the confusion about the date. Tony is suppose to not be in town on July 2, so either Sean D. is mistaken with his date and means July 5th. is mistaken with the name and Casey is with someone else, Casey passes someone else off as Tony, Tony was still in town or Sean D. is pointing at Tony on purpose maybe not realizing that he had gone out of town.
Who is this person with the tats? Troy does not know who this person is but Troy is not friends with the CIT crew. It would stand to reason that someone connected to the tattoo parlor might know who it is if it is not one of him or her. Add Danny C.’s quick jump on July 2nd date has me wondering if this person and the date of the tattoo are very important in finding where Caylee is.
Sean D. Interview with LE on 7/16/2008
SD: I saw her July 2nd up here at the tattoo shop. She acted normal. I saw her July 1st at the Ale House. Our buddy from the Army came into town.
LE: And July 5th a Buffalo Wild Wings
SD: July 5th I saw her.
LE: about what time?
SD …and Tony at Buffalo Wild Wings on July 2nd. LE: Uh hum
SD: I saw her at the tattoo shop I was getting a tattoo.
Page 862 Lines 18-25 Page 863 Lines 1 Sean D. Interview with LE on 7/16/2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...Transcript.pdf
Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
LE: Ok now you say there was man covered with tats or had some tats that you known, that you could help us id (identify) that actually went with Casey when she got her tattoo you believe.
TB: Correct
LE: But we don’t know who that person is yet?
Page 1329 Lines 5-9 Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf
Tony L Interview with LE on 7/22/2008
July 5 Casey and Tony L. went to Buffalo Wild Wings to a UCF and met Sean D. and Annie there in Waterford Lakes. [504 N Alafaya Trl # 102, Orlando, FL]
Page 1019 Lines 2-14 Tony L Interview with LE on 7/22/2008
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
FYI
This shows on our calendar on July 2. I do not know where this comes from. I do not find that in the interview with Troy on 7/25/08 or in any one else’s interview. [If I am not missing some]
[U]Per Troy B, Casey left with a guy friend who had lots of tattoos, and returned later with the new tattoo. (Times entered are guesses only).
TexasLil
10-23-2008, 04:02 PM
Based on what is in the interview about the tattoo it appears that it is not clear when Casey had it done on; July 2nd or July 3rd. Sean D. said she came in on July 2 to make an appointment. Danny C. statement says July 2 but I have a problem with the way he answered for the person. I have to wonder why Danny jumps on the July 2 date like that.
Jonathon D. says about 2 weeks ago but he was not there and gives no date. Bobby W. says on July 2 at noon and he was the one that was suppose to have done it. Lance W. never mentions it at all in his interview. Troy B. and Amy H. both say she had it done on July 3. There is no statement from Iassan. Using phone records the 3rd is a better fit, but if Bobby gave a time at noon for the 2nd and the day is not right the time could be wrong also. I still working on the interview statements but there isn’t anyone left that I know that would have any better knowledge than the ones that I have already looked at.
**Snipped
The July 2nd ping map places her at the Cast Iron Tattoo Shop between 6:00 and 7:30 p.m. Georgia PI doesn't have the ping map completed for 7/3 but I've looked at the call logs and she was not back in that area after that date.
shadow of my mind
10-23-2008, 04:34 PM
How can she be getting a tatt on her shoulder if she is texting and using the phone the whole time?
The only time is between 6:54 and 7:22 that she is not using the phone for less than 5 or 6 minutes. Is 1/2 hour enough?
I don't have any tattoos but I would think that she would have to hold her arm still for them to do a good job. It is akin to bobby you head around while getting your hair cut. Goodness knows what it would look like when your done.
Well then Bobby's statement is off with noon as being the time he gave.
redtailhawk
10-23-2008, 04:35 PM
I think everybody knows by now that there is a Bella Vida (new construction) housing development in that area. There also a Bella Vita area.
My question to you (who have tattoos) is this....
What actual weight should we give to the timing that KC got this tattoo ... and ...
What kind of thoughts do you have before making that decision in the selection?
Is it a sentimental one or trying to be cool?
I know we've discussed the possibility that KC got this tattoo to honor her daughter.
I'd like to know what your thoughts are/were when you got your own.
If this isn't the appropriate thread for this conversation please move it and advise where it is.
thanks~
I feel in my gut that the timing does have significance in this case.
My best friend is a tattoo artist and we hold a couple of tattoo parties per year. So I have been a present at the inking of probably 100+/- tattoos given over the last 4 years. I would say 80% have given thought to what they want and where they want to wear it, the symbolism chosen has a personal significance for them, it commemorates something or someone or a moment of passage/milestone for the person. 20% are done to join in, be cool, not so much significance. Guys make up 90% of that 20% and gals make up 10%....so more women choose based on a commemoration.
I have 5 tats of my own. Each has deep meaning for me. None commemorates a person, more so each is an expression of a milestone or belief I wish to express. One is practical, it covers a scar. Thats what it is to me.
The repeating thought I always have, is:
Am I ok with this being with me in that spot on my body for the rest of my life? Can I cover it with usual business wear?
I would enjoy hearing others answers to these questions as well.
RTH
RTH
redtailhawk
10-23-2008, 04:41 PM
How can she be getting a tatt on her shoulder if she is texting and using the phone the whole time?
The only time is between 6:54 and 7:22 that she is not using the phone for less than 5 or 6 minutes. Is 1/2 hour enough?
I don't have any tattoos but I would think that she would have to hold her arm still for them to do a good job. It is akin to bobby you head around while getting your hair cut. Goodness knows what it would look like when your done.
Well then Bobby's statement is off with noon as being the time he gave.
She is right-handed. If tat is on her left shoulder she could text one handed. If she sat on a chair backwards (think office chair witht he bendy back pad). She could text 2 handed and get tattoo. One could stay still for that, could even help take the mind away from the inking....might be a good distraction. Yea, some people could do this easily.
Now really, don't we have some tattoo artist on this site, surely....there is even one!?! :)
raeann
10-23-2008, 04:51 PM
Has there ever been anything discussed here about the fact that both Casey and Jennifer Kesse had shamrock tattoos, lived in the same city, and are both involved in unsolved missing persons cases ? Is there any information on where either of these two young women got the shamrock tattoos or what significance they may have had to them?
MD MOMMY
10-23-2008, 04:52 PM
One of my tats is a few words..no color and it took about 35 minutes. If she had color in her tat etc it would take longer IMO. If she was laying down on a table her right hand would be free to text. They did mine laying down b/c it is on my lower back.
Elley Mae
10-23-2008, 05:03 PM
I have a small tat 2in by 2 1/2 butterfly about an hour (color).
shadow of my mind
10-23-2008, 05:36 PM
I feel in my gut that the timing does have significance in this case.
My best friend is a tattoo artist and we hold a couple of tattoo parties per year. So I have been a present at the inking of probably 100+/- tattoos given over the last 4 years. I would say 80% have given thought to what they want and where they want to wear it, the symbolism chosen has a personal significance for them, it commemorates something or someone or a moment of passage/milestone for the person. 20% are done to join in, be cool, not so much significance. Guys make up 90% of that 20% and gals make up 10%....so more women choose based on a commemoration.
I have 5 tats of my own. Each has deep meaning for me. None commemorates a person, more so each is an expression of a milestone or belief I wish to express. One is practical, it covers a scar. Thats what it is to me.
The repeating thought I always have, is:
Am I ok with this being with me in that spot on my body for the rest of my life? Can I cover it with usual business wear?
I would enjoy hearing others answers to these questions as well.
RTH
RTH
I do feel that it is important. I just don't know how yet. I wonder if has to do with Casey thinking that she will impress Tony L. with something that could be viewed as an Italian saying. The only problem with that thought is then why has she not gotten other tatts to impress other guys? I also wonder if it did have to do with Caylee but in not as a memorial to her but as a statement of freedom. Beautiful life... 'now that she is gone and I can do what I want' sort of way.
LE did not ask Tony L. a thing about the tattoo so we don't even know if he noticed it when he got back in town, did Casey say anything about it to him or not. He did not mention it in either one of the interviews.
I keep thinking that Casey, with stealing the money from Amy either had to be totally stupid if she thought Amy would not notice or she was planning on taking off and disappearing... but if that was what she was going to do why didn't she just do it after she took to the money. Why wait for Amy to come back from P. Rico. She had her car she could have gone anywhere in a weeks time with no one to report it stolen. Amy would not know a thing until no one picked her up at the airport.
Its almost like she did some stuff to drag certain people into focus.
I know that does not fit with the tattoo question but is the tattoo to draw attention to someone or someplace on purpose. If it is, first what the devil is it and then why?
The tattoo draws attention to the trade and the people at CIT, or maybe to someone who has tatts. Maybe someone else has the same tatt. A family crest. Is it a logo for some business or place?
The problem is we really don't know what it could me. I have not spent anytime looking into what the tatt could me just the timing of getting one. Might not be a bad idea re-looking into this.
Great questions redtailhawk and thanks for giving me some insight on the fact that Casey could be on the phone and getting a tattoo.
metalcrystal
10-23-2008, 06:15 PM
I am a personal asst. to one of the best tattoo artists here in Columbus and am also pretty heavily covered. I think you all are thinking too hard about that little piece Casey got. Something on your shoulder, just script is not a very big deal and lots of people who are just getting into tattooing will start there. It just sounds like Casey has a lot of tattooed friends and was starting to get her own work. Lots and lots of people come in to hang out at the shop when their friends are getting tattooed, maybe she was able to hang around because she didn't have Caylee with her any more. I know a lot of you are working on timelines so it is important when she was there, but as far as any diabolical meaning it is something girls do every day and is very common, especially to copy celebs and what they have. I just think she had time and cash so she went for it.
Maya Love
10-23-2008, 07:33 PM
do we even know if TonE identifies himself w/ being of Italian descent? It might mean nothing to him?
reefshadow
10-23-2008, 08:50 PM
She is right-handed. If tat is on her left shoulder she could text one handed. If she sat on a chair backwards (think office chair witht he bendy back pad). She could text 2 handed and get tattoo. One could stay still for that, could even help take the mind away from the inking....might be a good distraction. Yea, some people could do this easily.
Now really, don't we have some tattoo artist on this site, surely....there is even one!?! :)
I was a professional tattoo artist for 7 years.
Yes, people can generally text, phone, ect while getting tattooed. The most crucial time for stillness is when applying the design, and then for the initial outline. I never freehanded (though I did do custom work often), but instead used tracing paper and a "skin pen" to do the design outline on the paper. When it came time to tranfer the design onto the area to be tattooed I would have the person stand in a natural position (arms at side, looking forward), apply speed stick to the cleaned and prepped skin, then gently press the transfer against the skin, leaving a perfect outline of the piece. The reason I had a person stand is that the design may deform if applied in a position that stretches the skin. For instance I wouldn't apply a design to someones forearm while the elbow is bent. To see why you can draw a circle on your arm with the elbow bent. When the elbow is straightened you will end up with an oval, lol.
When the design is applied the client sat or lay down (depending on the area to be tattooed) and must only be perfectly still for the outline. Once it gets to the shading and colouring stage they are free to move about some (though they need to be relatively still). Something like texting, playing a PSP or the equivalent generally wouldn't bother me in the least. Depending on the tattoo there may also be "downtime" like when changing needles (most tattoos take multiple types, like a liner then a shader in different clusters) or rinsing between colours. For a shoulder tattoo I would have a person seated in the hydraulic chair, then be seated myself behind them. Very easy for them to text, read, whatever in that position.
Metalcrystal is right, I would read very little to nothing into this tattoo choice, I myself have probably tattooed that saying or variations on it a dozen times. Bella vida, vida loca, buena vida, ect ect... Small script tattoos and things like butterflies, flowers, hearts, suns, cartoon characters, ect are what we called bread and butter tattoos. You may do them all day for weeks and then only get a couple big cool pieces here and there. They pay the bills :)
HTH?
reefshadow
10-23-2008, 08:56 PM
Oh, yeah. A design like KC has would only take me 1/2 hour, tops. That would include laying out the design, putting together my station, AND applying it. However, people often would hang out in the shop for hours, looking through flash, looking at magazines and photo albums, before they get their tattoo. We also did walk-ins as well as appts, so that could extend the wait at times.
JiannaBean
10-23-2008, 09:10 PM
I have a bitterly tattoo on my upper right shoulder I got done while I was lying down
as for her tattoo was it confirmed of the location
There is one celebrity that has the tattoo vita bella and that person is Lindsay lohan... do you think she was she copying her
cacnotcam
10-23-2008, 09:28 PM
How can she be getting a tatt on her shoulder if she is texting and using the phone the whole time?
The only time is between 6:54 and 7:22 that she is not using the phone for less than 5 or 6 minutes. Is 1/2 hour enough?
I don't have any tattoos but I would think that she would have to hold her arm still for them to do a good job. It is akin to bobby you head around while getting your hair cut. Goodness knows what it would look like when your done.
Well then Bobby's statement is off with noon as being the time he gave.
Depends on the spot. If it on her back/shoulder there really is no reason that she couldnt have been taxting one handed with the other arm. I have had several tatoos done and I have done just that when I could to just get my mind of the discomfort!
cacnotcam
10-23-2008, 09:29 PM
I have a bitterly tattoo on my upper right shoulder I got done while I was lying down
as for her tattoo was it confirmed of the location
There is one celebrity that has the tattoo vita bella and that person is Lindsay lohan... do you think she was she copying her
Yeah...Wasn't there a thing about her song with a simlar title in her PB account or somewhere? I got the impression that this song has been brought up before...
CaliMama
10-24-2008, 12:34 AM
I am a personal asst. to one of the best tattoo artists here in Columbus and am also pretty heavily covered. I think you all are thinking too hard about that little piece Casey got. Something on your shoulder, just script is not a very big deal and lots of people who are just getting into tattooing will start there. It just sounds like Casey has a lot of tattooed friends and was starting to get her own work. Lots and lots of people come in to hang out at the shop when their friends are getting tattooed, maybe she was able to hang around because she didn't have Caylee with her any more. I know a lot of you are working on timelines so it is important when she was there, but as far as any diabolical meaning it is something girls do every day and is very common, especially to copy celebs and what they have. I just think she had time and cash so she went for it.
Hey there! I am wondering if each tattoo artist has different "rules". I had a really large one done in my dining room by the tattoo artist that does all of my musician friends...it was on my lower back and he asked me not to even talk because it was moving the muscles in my lower back. Mine was much more involved and filled with color so maybe that is why. This particular guy...I am positive would not let me text even if the tattoo was small and dainty. He's a Virgo though so...that might explain it.
magic-cat
10-24-2008, 01:04 AM
I understand that under normal conditions and circumstances, getting a small tattoo with scripting or lettering would be meaningless, even this particular phrase that she got would have little to no meaning. What gives THIS tattoo the very real and very profound signifigance is the TIMING of said inking...Her daughter, her 2 year old daughter, had been missing for at least 2 weeks at the approximate time that she sat for this tattoo...
The saying that she got: Beautiful Life (in Italian or Spanish spelling) was AN EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE SENTIMENT at that particular time...The timing of this tattoo could make it a memorial or a significator of her GLEE that she was embarking on this new and wonderful life, free of the burdens of the 2 year old child who was missing for weeks prior to Casey taking a seat in the artists chair...:eek:
reefshadow
10-24-2008, 02:40 AM
I understand that under normal conditions and circumstances, getting a small tattoo with scripting or lettering would be meaningless, even this particular phrase that she got would have little to no meaning. What gives THIS tattoo the very real and very profound signifigance is the TIMING of said inking...Her daughter, her 2 year old daughter, had been missing for at least 2 weeks at the approximate time that she sat for this tattoo...
The saying that she got: Beautiful Life (in Italian or Spanish spelling) was AN EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE SENTIMENT at that particular time...The timing of this tattoo could make it a memorial or a significator of her GLEE that she was embarking on this new and wonderful life, free of the burdens of the 2 year old child who was missing for weeks prior to Casey taking a seat in the artists chair...:eek:
Oh, ITA. I was just commenting that the design itself isn't at all unusual, some people were trying to link it to some condo names or something? I just think that more was being read into the design itself than it really means.
It's impossible to say what was in KC's mind because she isn't talking. Perhaps "beautiful life" was commenting on Caylee's life, but we'll probably never know. Most likely you're right and she was talking about her own burden-free life, the rat. :mad:
cacnotcam
10-24-2008, 02:48 AM
Oh, ITA. I was just commenting that the design itself isn't at all unusual, some people were trying to link it to some condo names or something? I just think that more was being read into the design itself than it really means.
It's impossible to say what was in KC's mind because she isn't talking. Perhaps "beautiful life" was commenting on Caylee's life, but we'll probably never know. Most likely you're right and she was talking about her own burden-free life, the rat. :mad:
I agree that, of course, we will never know...Maybe in 30 years we will see a dateline special on KC where she has found Christ and has repented and finally tells her tale but other than that, she will take this to her grave and thats that. I hate to say it, but thats how it's going to go down. We are all going to be frustrated and p'd off and will be for a long time. *sigh*
redtailhawk
10-24-2008, 12:44 PM
I was a professional tattoo artist for 7 years.
Yes, people can generally text, phone, ect while getting tattooed. The most crucial time for stillness is when applying the design, and then for the initial outline. I never freehanded (though I did do custom work often), but instead used tracing paper and a "skin pen" to do the design outline on the paper. When it came time to tranfer the design onto the area to be tattooed I would have the person stand in a natural position (arms at side, looking forward), apply speed stick to the cleaned and prepped skin, then gently press the transfer against the skin, leaving a perfect outline of the piece. The reason I had a person stand is that the design may deform if applied in a position that stretches the skin. For instance I wouldn't apply a design to someones forearm while the elbow is bent. To see why you can draw a circle on your arm with the elbow bent. When the elbow is straightened you will end up with an oval, lol.
When the design is applied the client sat or lay down (depending on the area to be tattooed) and must only be perfectly still for the outline. Once it gets to the shading and colouring stage they are free to move about some (though they need to be relatively still). Something like texting, playing a PSP or the equivalent generally wouldn't bother me in the least. Depending on the tattoo there may also be "downtime" like when changing needles (most tattoos take multiple types, like a liner then a shader in different clusters) or rinsing between colours. For a shoulder tattoo I would have a person seated in the hydraulic chair, then be seated myself behind them. Very easy for them to text, read, whatever in that position.
Metalcrystal is right, I would read very little to nothing into this tattoo choice, I myself have probably tattooed that saying or variations on it a dozen times. Bella vida, vida loca, buena vida, ect ect... Small script tattoos and things like butterflies, flowers, hearts, suns, cartoon characters, ect are what we called bread and butter tattoos. You may do them all day for weeks and then only get a couple big cool pieces here and there. They pay the bills :)
HTH?
Beautiful info! Thanks much for coming forward and sharing your expertise, knowledge and experiences with people being inked. I knew you were here somewhere!
Sorry to be a dork, but what does HTH mean?
Well met!
RTH
magic-cat
10-24-2008, 01:37 PM
Oh, ITA. I was just commenting that the design itself isn't at all unusual, some people were trying to link it to some condo names or something? I just think that more was being read into the design itself than it really means.
It's impossible to say what was in KC's mind because she isn't talking. Perhaps "beautiful life" was commenting on Caylee's life, but we'll probably never know. Most likely you're right and she was talking about her own burden-free life, the rat. :mad:
I knew what you meant, but just wanted to make the distinction that although the saying isn't "unique" or "meaningful" on its own, when taken in the light of the timing in which it was inked, and it takes on a whole new meaning...:blowkiss:
reefshadow
10-24-2008, 04:43 PM
Beautiful info! Thanks much for coming forward and sharing your expertise, knowledge and experiences with people being inked. I knew you were here somewhere!
Sorry to be a dork, but what does HTH mean?
Well met!
RTH
Hope that helps :blowkiss:
shadow of my mind
11-03-2008, 01:00 PM
Adding a another possible time for the Tattoo
See Posts 202 & 203
July 3 Jesse states that Casey got a new tattoo at 2:46PM She went by herself as per what Annie told him. She went to her tattoo artist. It said Buena Vita that means good life.
Page 1524 Lines 10-24 Jesse G. Interview with LE 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/jg092308.pdf
Pink Panther
11-03-2008, 01:36 PM
Adding a another possible time for the Tattoo
See Posts 202 & 203
July 3 Jesse states that Casey got a new tattoo at 2:46PM She went by herself as per what Annie told him. She went to her tattoo artist. It said Buena Vita that means good life.
Page 1524 Lines 10-24 Jesse G. Interview with LE 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/jg092308.pdf
I missed the mention of Annie in that interview! Interesting...The way Jesse explains it, it doesn't sound like KC told Annie but as though someone she knew at the tattoo parlor told her. Interesting. :)
BondJamesBond
11-24-2008, 12:43 PM
OK...so I'm not marked (I'll hafta be id'd by dental records and scars :) ) so I'm clueless here. Since there ARE some tattoo artists and inked-ones runnin' around on WS...here's a question for them.
Anything special about care of a tattoo immediately after getting one that would send you to your house if you were staying with friends otherwise? I've noticed on some shows (e.g. Miami Ink?) they often get covered w/ paper or cellophane or something, but, I'm curious if there's anything special. My best guess at the moment was Casey needed to go home simply to get some shirts that would definitely cover her shoulder to conceal it if, perhaps, she was flush with tank top/string shoulder strap stuff at that time of the summer over @ Tony's.
TIA!
A&D diaper rash ointment is used a lot for care of tattoos! Was Caylee still in diapers?
BondJamesBond
11-24-2008, 12:52 PM
A&D diaper rash ointment is used a lot for care of tattoos! Was Caylee still in diapers?
Caylee was being trained and reportedly making good progress (bless her heart). :(
I don't have kids, but I'd imagine that diaper rash could happen with pull-up's. My niece was in pull ups till she was almost 5, poor little thing just couldn't catch on.
But I used A&D on 4 out of my 5 tat's during the healing process.
Hope that helped.
MamaBird
11-24-2008, 12:56 PM
OK...so I'm not marked (I'll hafta be id'd by dental records and scars :) ) so I'm clueless here. Since there ARE some tattoo artists and inked-ones runnin' around on WS...here's a question for them.
Anything special about care of a tattoo immediately after getting one that would send you to your house if you were staying with friends otherwise? I've noticed on some shows (e.g. Miami Ink?) they often get covered w/ paper or cellophane or something, but, I'm curious if there's anything special. My best guess at the moment was Casey needed to go home simply to get some shirts that would definitely cover her shoulder to conceal it if, perhaps, she was flush with tank top/string shoulder strap stuff at that time of the summer over @ Tony's.
TIA!
I am heavily inked and every time I receive a new tat the only medication that is applied is A&D ointment. They then cover it with a piece of cellophane (usually tape it down with med tape). That stays on there until you shower or whatever. The tat artist will advise you to use the ointment for a few weeks. Some times they supply it to you, sometimes not. I guess it just depends on where you go.
A tattoo is just like a scab, per say. You want it exposed to air so that it will heal. But you are advised against tanning (as it can dry it out, make it lose color, etc).I know a lot of people who use plain old lotion on their healing tats as well. I have some ink where my bra strap or a tank strap would irritate it. It could be possible that she had some tube tops or strapless bras at home. Or some of those things that you use to pull the straps together in the middle of the back to make an X. Without knowing exactly where the tat is, it makes it hard to speculate. Hope this helps some.
Coley
11-24-2008, 12:58 PM
Caylee was being trained and reportedly making good progress (bless her heart). :(
I know. CA said she was just about trained. So what I'm guessing is that she might have had problems during the night. I know my son is almost trained and this is his problem.
Also, I find it interesting that Annie says that the tattoo is Buena Vita. Lake Buena Vista is in Orange County. I wonder if KC had been near this area during the missing time. I know it's a little off but still she could have looked at this as the lake means this so why not get a tattoo and take the S out of the name.
ETA: Lake WOULD mean this if the S was taken out. Without the S taken out it means "Good view"
Coley
11-24-2008, 01:01 PM
I know when you get arrested they ask you about tats. I wonder if the media could ask for the photos (if taken) of the tat. Wonder if that would be part of the sunshine law?
MD MOMMY
11-24-2008, 01:05 PM
I know when you get arrested they ask you about tats. I wonder if the media could ask for the photos (if taken) of the tat. Wonder if that would be part of the sunshine law?
I know they ask about "markings" birthmarks included and that information should appear on her paperwork. Just like they ask about any known alias etc. I didn't know that they took pictures of them though?
Coley
11-24-2008, 01:07 PM
I know they ask about "markings" birthmarks included and that information should appear on her paperwork. Just like they ask about any known alias etc. I didn't know that they took pictures of them though?
Yea, some do. I'm just not sure of Orange County. I had some taken. :eek:
Pink Panther
11-24-2008, 01:08 PM
I know. CA said she was just about trained. So what I'm guessing is that she might have had problems during the night. I know my son is almost trained and this is his problem.
Also, I find it interesting that Annie says that the tattoo is Buena Vita. Lake Buena Vista is in Orange County. I wonder if KC had been near this area during the missing time. I know it's a little off but still she could have looked at this as the lake means this so why not get a tattoo and take the S out of the name.
Amy mentions the tattoo in her interview and she states that KC told her it was Italian for Good Life. If so, then the tattoo is "La Bella Vita".
Coley
11-24-2008, 01:11 PM
Amy mentions the tattoo in her interview and she states that KC told her it was Italian for Good Life. If so, then the tattoo is "La Bella Vita".
So really it's Annie vs Amy. Right? I was looking at this post:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2895844&postcount=226
I also added my ETA about what the lake means. I'm just trying to think of KC way of looking at things.
BondJamesBond
11-24-2008, 01:12 PM
Yea, some do. I'm just not sure of Orange County. I had some taken. :eek:
[note to self: inquire Coley about...] :)
Coley
11-24-2008, 01:14 PM
[note to self: inquire Coley about...] :)
ha ha
Bad Coley, Bad Coley
Coley
11-24-2008, 01:16 PM
Let's just say I was not the typical inmate. My parents were not to pleased and still can't stand it when it's brought up. lol
BondJamesBond
11-24-2008, 01:16 PM
I am heavily inked and every time I receive a new tat the only medication that is applied is A&D ointment. They then cover it with a piece of cellophane (usually tape it down with med tape). That stays on there until you shower or whatever. The tat artist will advise you to use the ointment for a few weeks. Some times they supply it to you, sometimes not. I guess it just depends on where you go.
A tattoo is just like a scab, per say. You want it exposed to air so that it will heal. But you are advised against tanning (as it can dry it out, make it lose color, etc).I know a lot of people who use plain old lotion on their healing tats as well. I have some ink where my bra strap or a tank strap would irritate it. It could be possible that she had some tube tops or strapless bras at home. Or some of those things that you use to pull the straps together in the middle of the back to make an X. Without knowing exactly where the tat is, it makes it hard to speculate. Hope this helps some.
MamaBird, :blowkiss: A big TY.
We should find out in the trial what she was getting that day, and, even if we find out it wasn't some different bras I'm gonna phone this one in 'cause it just makes a whole helluvalotta sense. Great post & thanks, again!
BondJamesBond
11-25-2008, 01:20 AM
OK...a couple follow-up questions for the inked-ones...
1) When you get a tattoo do you hafta fill out any forms (e.g. health forms stating you don't have hep, etc.)?
2) Ever hafta have someone else present for docs, drive if you can't, etc (not just there socially)?
cacnotcam
11-25-2008, 07:59 AM
OK...a couple follow-up questions for the inked-ones...
1) When you get a tattoo do you hafta fill out any forms (e.g. health forms stating you don't have hep, etc.)?
Just the usual docs....Waivers, etc....Gotta show ID and they will generally copy it.
2) Ever hafta have someone else present for docs, drive if you can't, etc (not just there socially)?
No....I don't see how that would be an issue........Nope. Not unless you are under 18 and need a parent to give consent.
BondJamesBond
11-25-2008, 08:13 AM
No....I don't see how that would be an issue........Nope. Not unless you are under 18 and need a parent to give consent.
Thanks, cacnotcam. Looks like maybe the first part of your response got klugged into the quote.
Sooo...if an id is required/copied, then, perhaps filed, if you wanted to go back later to recall & look-up some info about a customer...an employee could reasonably do that...eh?
Coley
11-25-2008, 09:13 AM
OK...a couple follow-up questions for the inked-ones...
1) When you get a tattoo do you hafta fill out any forms (e.g. health forms stating you don't have hep, etc.)?
2) Ever hafta have someone else present for docs, drive if you can't, etc (not just there socially)?
1) Yes, you have to answer a sheet full of questions about diseases and other stuff
2) Yes, you have to show ID but they don't copy it or anything
Elley Mae
11-25-2008, 09:24 AM
Thanks, cacnotcam. Looks like maybe the first part of your response got klugged into the quote.
Sooo...if an id is required/copied, then, perhaps filed, if you wanted to go back later to recall & look-up some info about a customer...an employee could reasonably do that...eh?
And most reputable places don't allow walk-ins. They don't want you to get something on a (whim) LOL
LiveLaughLuv
11-25-2008, 09:33 AM
Amy mentions the tattoo in her interview and she states that KC told her it was Italian for Good Life. If so, then the tattoo is "La Bella Vita".
La Bella Vida is the beautiful life.
La Buena Vida is the good life...
Pink Panther
11-25-2008, 09:50 AM
La Bella Vida is the beautiful life.
La Buena Vida is the good life...
"Bella" is an Italian word. "Vida" is a Spanish word.
"La Buena Vida" is the good life in Spanish. "La Bella Vita" is the good life in Italian. I'm not sure which she had done. Knowing her, she could have even mixed up the languages but my hunch, based on the fact that it was in her photobucket as an icon, is that she went with the Italian version.
MOO
(I'm fluent in Italian.)
ThatGirlizNuts
11-25-2008, 11:55 AM
"Bella" is an Italian word. "Vida" is a Spanish word.
"La Buena Vida" is the good life in Spanish. "La Bella Vita" is the good life in Italian. I'm not sure which she had done. Knowing her, she could have even mixed up the languages but my hunch, based on the fact that it was in her photobucket as an icon, is that she went with the Italian version.
MOO
(I'm fluent in Italian.)
Apologize in advance if this has been discounted already. This was originally discussed on WS on 9/11/2008 (forum search word "tattoo"). On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:07 TL put on KC's Facebook Wall "Whats up, Bella Mia"?
http://i38.tinypic.com/21lpuzn.jpg
ThatGirlizNuts
11-25-2008, 12:29 PM
I cant find where KC's other tattoo has been discussed and if it is remotely relevant. I cannot determine exactly what the tattoo is, I'll do my best to link the photos. Its when she is at the beach in her red bikini. Its a pretty big tattoo.
(Go to photos 26 & 28 for the best views)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos
I apologize if docstoc.com is not a website to be used here. I found quite a few photos I've never seen before I tried to screencapture but was not successful= too big.
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