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newtv
08-16-2008, 11:36 PM
I am curious if people think she is alive. (Caylee).
If this has already been polled forgive my inability to find such a poll.

Delete and accept my apologies.

commongrackle
08-16-2008, 11:37 PM
Nope.

kathyn2
08-17-2008, 12:04 AM
Definitely not.

donnam
08-17-2008, 12:09 AM
Sadly, no........

sweetmop
08-17-2008, 12:11 AM
I hate saying this, but no I don't think so.:(

proudmomma
08-17-2008, 12:11 AM
no :(

newtv
08-17-2008, 12:22 AM
I feel the same--sadly I say No to the question?

justbetweenus
08-17-2008, 12:29 AM
Hi newtv. Sadly I voted no.

newtv
08-17-2008, 12:50 AM
Hi newtv. Sadly I voted no.
hello back atcha:):D

NighTillDawn
08-17-2008, 01:01 AM
I voted no as well.

txsvicki
08-17-2008, 01:05 AM
No, because of all the lies, the family situation at the time, and the facts that have been made known to the public.

sweetwater
08-17-2008, 01:17 AM
No, because of all the lies, the family situation at the time, and the facts that have been made known to the public.

I hope I'm mistaken, but I now share the same reasons, along with the family's lack of affect, lack of interest in searching or even associating with trusted missing children's orgs. Then there's the dogs responses and the pleas from LE.
:(
Poor little Caylee.

dkitty
08-17-2008, 01:38 AM
I don't think she is alive.:(

Carley44
08-17-2008, 01:59 AM
Very sadly I say no. Evidence and lies all point to her being gone from us.

LaLaw2000
08-17-2008, 06:58 AM
I have not thought little Caylee was alive since the first few days of this case. And I am so angry at all of the lies!!!!

LoriKeet
08-17-2008, 07:24 AM
I voted NO because everyone knows that the more people you involve in conspiring to commit/cover up a crime, the more likely someone will talk. The only way to really keep a secret is not to tell/involve anyone.

ShouldBWorking
08-17-2008, 09:46 AM
sadly no

Fandy
08-17-2008, 10:54 AM
I don't believe so, all the *sightings* have been false. If she is somehow still alive, she is not in this country....I have no proof, just MOO.

Jolynna
08-17-2008, 11:09 AM
I do not believe Caylee is alive.

*~Aimee~*
08-17-2008, 12:38 PM
no and I pray she gets a decent burial if I am right and not left out there who knows where.

yolorado
08-17-2008, 01:15 PM
I hope. I wish. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong. But no.

Beyond Me
08-17-2008, 01:18 PM
I voted no. God knows I wish I could have said yes but each passing day, sleepless night and leaks in evidence tells me otherwise.

dr dona
08-17-2008, 01:31 PM
I wish I may
I wish I might
Have Callee alive tonight- but sadly my wish won't probably come true.
I have not posted on this case- been watching and thinking. I've been a Pediatrician for 28 yrs and have never seen another parent behave like Casey- I've seen real pieces of work but have never seen such a lack of caring. There is no bond, no emotion. I've been frantic for 5 weeks cause my toy poodle got attacked and has a broken jaw. He's been wired, pined and now had to have that piece removed due to lack of healing and osteomyelitis- bone infection. I've cried, paced etc. If my daughters were missing and possibly dead I'd be a nut case!!!

GreenEyedGirl
08-17-2008, 01:43 PM
Unfortunately, I had to choose no. I haven't thought she was alive from the first day I heard about this case. How sad for this little girl.

newuser
08-17-2008, 02:11 PM
Never hoping to be so wrong, but no, I don't think so.

lisalei321
08-17-2008, 05:13 PM
I found myself not being able to vote, each time I'd go to click on one or the other, my what if's kick in.

I so really want this to be a stupid stunt, I can't make a decision either way.

My heart says one thing, my head says another.

Foxxtrot
08-17-2008, 05:39 PM
I voted yes. I agree with LE, so far there if nothing pointing to a death.

housemouse
08-17-2008, 05:44 PM
I voted no. I hope I am wrong. Too many indications in Casey's chart, confirmed by Caylee's chart, but there is always hope for another interpretation, and kidnapping is a possibility.

What mitigates against this is Casey's refusal to talk. If Caylee really had been kidnapped, Casey would have been more honest and straightforward, even if she had lied about everything else.

Casey's stonewalling is the reason I think Caylee is dead, and Casey hopes to beat the rap!

krimekat
08-17-2008, 06:26 PM
It's been too long . . .

ChattyWoman
08-17-2008, 06:35 PM
I voted no with a heavy heart...I pray I'm wrong.

BritDees
08-17-2008, 07:22 PM
I voted no, Newt. After all this time, I can't see her possibly being alive.

AutomaticAuttie
08-17-2008, 07:52 PM
Yes, and I believe Jesse has a huge part in it besides just being Casey's ex.

JimNJPA
08-17-2008, 07:59 PM
I don't think she is still alive...between the amount of time that has passed and the apparent mental problems of the mother AND family, i'd say no!

RoseRed
08-17-2008, 08:42 PM
Yes, I do.

gina30
08-18-2008, 01:31 AM
sadly, NO, I don't think so as well. The bad part is that if Caylee isn't found alive, but Casey gets convicted of the child endangerment charges, she gets to get away with it. Just from a LE standpoint.

newtv
08-18-2008, 03:52 AM
I voted no, Newt. After all this time, I can't see her possibly being alive.
I agree tweety bird:blowkiss:

vickycopsy
08-18-2008, 04:32 AM
I think she is dead mainly because of the cadaver dogs... the length of time she has been missing doesn't make me think she is deceased...... remember ELIZABETH SMART?? 9 months missing and she was found alive! Oh wouldn't that be neat if Caylee was found alive!

peace9274
08-18-2008, 04:56 AM
I sadly say no, she is not alive.

And I too think Jesse is involved in some way.

Evan's Mom
08-18-2008, 08:38 AM
I voted yes.
Regardless of the evidence, I'm holding out hope until they find a body or get a confession.
I know the odds are not in Caylee's favor, but I still remember everyone thinking Shawn Hornbeck was dead too.

tttterri
08-18-2008, 01:10 PM
Yes, although I am not sure. I can see how someone else could have Caylee, that loves her as their own. Most folks that steal children do not come forward when they are so desperate to have the kid. Don't ask me about the dogs. I'm still not understanding why the dogs didnt find Jessie Lunsford.

LI_Mom
08-18-2008, 01:17 PM
I voted no.

Caylee was alive on Father's Day.

I also believe she was still alive until George left for work the following afternoon.

After that... I think something terrible happened (accident or not, I don't know or really care) & the missed phone calls signaled the start of an endless web of lies & an attempt by 'mother of the year' to enjoy her new life of freedom from responsibility.

?everything
08-18-2008, 05:21 PM
I voted yes. There is no evidence to point to her being dead. Until I see proof I will continue to believe Caylee is alive. I also think that there is more to this than we know.

Tigerlily468
08-18-2008, 05:55 PM
That poll is very telling. Most think she is no longer with us. I hope it's wrong and Casey (or anyone) finally finds something to track her, but with all this time gone by? It's highly unlikely.

Vegas Bride
08-18-2008, 06:18 PM
I had to vote no, but with a very heavy heart :(
There would be such joy for all of us here to be proven wrong, but I just can not discount the hits by 2 cadaver dogs + the car + every move Casey has made for the last 2 months. Every sign imo says she is dead, I have heard of no sign to give me hope.
That beautiful little girl had so much life in her, so much hope. I do understand how the gp's would be in a deep denial, if they let go of that hope then they'd have to be thinking like the majority of us here. I have only seen pictures of this baby and am heartbroken by all this, how can they be expected to deal with such a loss? My heart really does go out to them, Caylee was their hope and their future.

VB

MsJoni
08-18-2008, 11:23 PM
No, but I pray they find her body.

not_my_kids
08-19-2008, 03:21 AM
Just simply, YES.

gypsiechavi
08-19-2008, 09:39 AM
I also thought from day one, she is not alive. Then I became hopeful, then not so much. I have gone back and forth but in all honesty, the thing that makes me think she is still alive is only the hope I cling to. It is not based on the facts to date. I believe Caylee is gone.

Her mother has most likely grown up around LE because of her father's job. Just like my little girl knows exactly how to make a battery via her father's job, I am sure Casey was exposed to the inner workings of LE. If anyone were to know how to get away with a murder, it would certainly be someone who knows how the system works in the first place. I think it is no accident that Casey was "hiding out" for 30+ days. The number one thing in a missing person's case that raises the chances of finding someone (dead or alive) is time. The only reason Caylee has not been found to date is the time that has passed and Casey's resolve in not talking.....another thing she probably learned being raised around LE.....keep your mouth shut.

JustMy2Cents
08-19-2008, 11:34 AM
I voted no. I would love to believe she's alive & if it wasn't for the dogs I would still hold out hope. I just can't get beyond the dogs. there is absoutely no reason for them to 'hit' on the trunk other than the fact that there was a dead body in there. It may not have been Caylees body but common sense says it is. Sad.

Txlurker
08-19-2008, 12:46 PM
Sad to say but I voted no.

angelmom
08-19-2008, 12:56 PM
I think she is dead mainly because of the cadaver dogs... the length of time she has been missing doesn't make me think she is deceased...... remember ELIZABETH SMART?? 9 months missing and she was found alive! Oh wouldn't that be neat if Caylee was found alive!


I voted yes.
Regardless of the evidence, I'm holding out hope until they find a body or get a confession.
I know the odds are not in Caylee's favor, but I still remember everyone thinking Shawn Hornbeck was dead too.

These cases would help give me hope if Casey had reported her missing right away and was cooperating with LE. Both of these families tried EVERYTHING (including con artist psychics who were later proved wrong and ripped their hearts out by saying the children were dead). They called LE immediately. They cooperated completely. They never stopped searching. They were devastated.

Look at Shawn Horbeck's mother - this is even AFTER he was found. Does she look like she's been through hell or what?
http://www.shawnhornbeck.com/photos/shfound/photo_008s.jpg

Look at Ed Smart. Is this the face of longing? Of grief?
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1844636.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F10665FE8CF1172EEE7B 5A5397277B4DC33E

Now go scroll through the photo thread of Casey in that month before she reported Caylee missing. The ones of her dirty dancing are particularly helpful. Is that a mother in fear? In mourning? Searching? Hoping?

NO!

gimmeaclue
08-19-2008, 01:36 PM
I voted no but I still have a twinge of hope.

Anais
08-19-2008, 05:28 PM
I voted no but I still have a twinge of hope.

I also voted no. Yet I do pray and hope for her to be alive and well.

SieSie
08-19-2008, 11:20 PM
I would love to be wrong about this one, but no, I don't think she's alive. I think the "smell of death" from various sources and the hits from two separate cadavar dogs/handlers indicates that she is no longer with us. If I am right, may she rest in peace, and may her body be found so that she can receive a proper burial.

jessunlil
08-20-2008, 12:08 AM
Even though it breaks my heart, I voted "no".
I hope and pray I'm wrong and that beautiful little angel is found safe and sound and SOON.

Aleve N Fla
08-20-2008, 12:32 AM
Same here - I hope and pray that I am wrong but I sadly had to vote no

Prayin_4_Grace
08-20-2008, 09:00 AM
My heart says Yes!! but unfortunately my common sense tells me no....so I vote no

the_day_will_come
09-17-2008, 11:55 AM
NO, I'm sorry to say. :(

Short_Stuff
09-17-2008, 11:58 AM
No she not alive, evidence tells all.

*Kat*
09-17-2008, 12:00 PM
I voted yes. I pray to God (and I know you all do as well) that I am right. I am not ready to think for certainty otherwise.

tiredofthis
09-17-2008, 12:01 PM
I sadly have to say no

Hailiejade77
09-17-2008, 12:04 PM
i voted no,.. but I would give anything to be wrong! :(

spiderweb
09-17-2008, 12:05 PM
I voted no. I didn't think she was alive from the day this case went public, but that was more listening to my gut feeling than anything based upon evidence.

OTOH, my husband holds out the possibility that this entire thing was staged for the purpose of making money. I can't even go there. It's unimaginable to me. And it still doesn't explain where Caylee is. How could one stash a child away for so long without someone involved tripping up or spilling the beans? And at what point does the deception stop?

momof6
09-17-2008, 12:05 PM
Yes I do

MaedchenX
09-17-2008, 12:07 PM
With a heavy heart, no. Like so many of you I would give anything to see Caylee found alive with someone who has been loving and taking good care of her. I just don't believe it to be at all likely at this point.

Princess Debbie
09-17-2008, 12:08 PM
Sadly, no

magnolia
09-17-2008, 12:08 PM
No!! http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/3232mypic/Unhappy%20Emoticons/th_nono.gif

Fuzzymuffin
09-17-2008, 12:11 PM
No. There was a dead body in the trunk, DNA says it had to be Caylee or KC. Cadaver dogs alerted on various places. KC has no plausible explanations, only lies.

The people who believe she is alive are basing it on hope and prayer, as far as I can tell. All the explanations for dismissing the evidence are convoluted and don't fit the premise that the simple answer is usually the correct answer.

yosande
09-17-2008, 12:11 PM
I had hope until the decomp report.
Caylee's banding hair in the trunk.
These tell me she's gone.
Nothing said or done since then has offered hope of life.
My prayer, that TM will come back and find her.
KC is only 22. How could she so successfully hide her body?

Law_girl41
09-17-2008, 12:14 PM
No I don't.

Remember the words spoken, what is given, can be taken away, trust no one, only yoursef,...everyone lies, everyone dies....or something like that.

magic-cat
09-17-2008, 12:15 PM
ABSOLUTELY no!

kaych
09-17-2008, 12:18 PM
I am curious if people think she is alive. (Caylee).
If this has already been polled forgive my inability to find such a poll.

Delete and accept my apologies.


Why isn't there a "Not 100% sure either way" option? :(

not_my_kids
09-17-2008, 12:32 PM
I can't vote, I have no idea.
I hope so, and that will probably change when things are made public at trial.
I will come back and actually vote if I ever make up my mind.

DeltaDawn
09-17-2008, 12:36 PM
Sadly no..I think Caylee has been killed by her mother, forensic evidence leaves no doubt.

AutomaticAuttie
09-17-2008, 12:37 PM
I believe she is still alive!

BlueEyedSpy
09-17-2008, 12:39 PM
I voted yes.

LE can't seem to make a decisive statement without a lot of hedging that she is indeed dead.

I rarely ever feel this way about missing children, but this one is different and more complex.

I think many more people are involved in this than just Casey.

Chesapeake
09-17-2008, 12:41 PM
No, I believe she died due to her mother's negligence.

BZY247
09-17-2008, 12:58 PM
Sadly, No I do not. I hope and pray that I am wrong.

brighidin
09-17-2008, 01:09 PM
I voted no. I hope I'm wrong.

trina133
09-17-2008, 01:12 PM
I say yes!!

OriginalJerseyGirl
09-17-2008, 01:26 PM
Wishing it was otherwise but no.

lilnycsweetie
09-17-2008, 01:27 PM
I say she is alive as well.

CHICANA
09-17-2008, 01:45 PM
I say she is alive as well.


Care to elaborate ?

Sustained
09-17-2008, 01:58 PM
Another vote for no - KC was not the center of attention in her family when Caylee was around, so bye-bye Caylee. In her own words ... "everyone lies, everyone dies".

pregodego2
09-17-2008, 02:15 PM
I didn't vote yet...but i really think there's a possibility she is alive and well. I think that's maybe why Casey is so calm about this all.

Boston
09-17-2008, 02:18 PM
I say she is alive as well.

What are your thought on the "Trunk Evidence"?

I respect your opinion but I'm just wondering how that evidence supports your belief that Caylee is alive.

100%Agave
09-17-2008, 02:21 PM
No. My gut instinct when this story broke was that she was dead. Everything that we have heard and seen since then just confirms it for me. I hope that I am wrong but I don't think that I am.

Boston
09-17-2008, 02:22 PM
I'm convinced that there was a body in the trunk but I think LE may be having some difficulty saying for sure that the body was Caylee. But, when you look at all the facts of this case & take them as a whole I don't think you can come to any other conclusion that it was her.

jmo

DAWN TREADER
09-17-2008, 02:23 PM
Dead.

El Gato
09-17-2008, 02:23 PM
No, nothing at all suggests to me that sweet little girl is still with us.

Amberjack
09-17-2008, 02:23 PM
She could be alive.....

"You are known by the friends you keep"

Based on Casey's history of:
Lying, stealing, drinking, drugs, etc.

Her Lake Vaj friends
Her Kiomarie & family & their locations

It is VERY possible Casey owed money & this was a temporary retaliation
until the debt was paid. The reason for Casey's "no worry" and half truths. She does not want the truth to come from herself.

Again, just a theory. (Seems this is what Cindy & George believe)

Jodibug
09-17-2008, 02:25 PM
No, sadly I do not think that Caylee is alive.

Hope for the Best
09-17-2008, 02:33 PM
I hope she is, but my realistic side says no. :(

Boston
09-17-2008, 02:33 PM
She could be alive.....

"You are known by the friends you keep"

Based on Casey's history of:
Lying, stealing, drinking, drugs, etc.

Her Lake Vaj friends
Her Kiomarie & family & their locations

It is VERY possible Casey owed money & this was a temporary retaliation
until the debt was paid. The reason for Casey's "no worry" and half truths. She does not want the truth to come from herself.

Again, just a theory. (Seems this is what Cindy & George believe)

I know this is just your theory but how do you explain the "trunk evidence"?

If some of Casey's friends took Caylee who is the dead person that was in her trunk?

unsaid
09-17-2008, 02:33 PM
I'm off the fence. I seriously doubt Caylee is alive. This article, though a few weeks old, seals the deal for me.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17353349/detail.html
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Orange Sheriff’s Office said again Monday that “there is a strong probability” that Caylee Anthony is dead, noting that investigators have “additional evidence that has not been made public.”

gitana1
09-17-2008, 02:35 PM
I cannot think of more than a couple times when my gut was wrong and those were not about major, important issues. I have felt denial before or otherwise ignored my gut but I have been trained since small to be hyper aware and to observe and study human behavior in order to size someone up quickly, especially in order to detect danger or lies. It's a long story. I also have studied criminal behavior and/or psychology, on my own, for many, many years. Plus, as a lawyer, I see many different kinds of parents, almost all accused of being a bad parent by the other parent. You learn to sift through the b.s. after awhile. These things caused me to believe, pretty much immediately, that the child was dead and that her mother did it intentionally. That was after only hearing the news story that Caylee had been reported missing by grandma after not beeing seen by her mother for 31 days, and seeing casey's perp walk when first arrested. Now, with witness statements, casey interviews and reports of the strong smell of "death" in the car, which most know is unmistakeable, not to mention possible dna evidence and hair banding indicating death, I feel my gut has been justified. Like all of us here, I wish time could be turned back and this could have a happy ending. But, I'm forced to face the stark and sad reality that this baby is gone. What worries me is that around 11% of the people on this site seem to feel otherwise. That may mean that the case is not ready for trial with what we already know, or think we know.

sweetmop
09-17-2008, 02:40 PM
It breaks my heart to think that fatal harm came to Caylee Marie Anthony, from her mother Casey.
This is such a beautiful child, and the entire country has fallen in love with her precious little angel face.
But this is what the forensic evidence is showing us, and I don't think this is evidence that can be fabricated. (Much to Jose's dismay)
Caylee is in Heaven now.

Jolynna
09-17-2008, 02:50 PM
I cannot think of more than a couple times when my gut was wrong and those were not about major, important issues. I have felt denial before or otherwise ignored my gut but I have been trained since small to be hyper aware and to observe and study human behavior in order to size someone up quickly, especially in order to detect danger or lies. It's a long story. I also have studied criminal behavior and/or psychology, on my own, for many, many years. Plus, as a lawyer, I see many different kinds of parents, almost all accused of being a bad parent by the other parent. You learn to sift through the b.s. after awhile. These things caused me to believe, pretty much immediately, that the child was dead and that her mother did it intentionally. That was after only hearing the news story that Caylee had been reported missing by grandma after not beeing seen by her mother for 31 days, and seeing casey's perp walk when first arrested. Now, with witness statements, casey interviews and reports of the strong smell of "death" in the car, which most know is unmistakeable, not to mention possible dna evidence and hair banding indicating death, I feel my gut has been justified. Like all of us here, I wish time could be turned back and this could have a happy ending. But, I'm forced to face the stark and sad reality that this baby is gone. What worries me is that around 11% of the people on this site seem to feel otherwise. That may mean that the case is not ready for trial with what we already know, or think we know.

I have the same concern.

Everytime I get impatient because Casey has not yet been charged with more I reread the views of those who think Caylee might still be alive.

It may be too late for happy endings, but not for justice.

ski3166
09-17-2008, 03:10 PM
nope she is Dead.. The police would not make that up.
sniped... FBI lab tests indicated that Caylee Anthony's body was in her mother's trunk and that the child is dead.
Officials did not say what additional evidence they have, saying the investigation is ongoing.

diz39
09-17-2008, 03:21 PM
I have the same concern.

Everytime I get impatient because Casey has not yet been charged with more I reread the views of those who think Caylee might still be alive.

It may be too late for happy endings, but not for justice.

OMG! Your last line says it all. That is perfect.

Still_Snarky
09-17-2008, 03:23 PM
sadly, no.

Amberjack
09-17-2008, 03:33 PM
I know this is just your theory but how do you explain the "trunk evidence"?

If some of Casey's friends took Caylee who is the dead person that was in her trunk?

The trunk evidence 100% points to death
But, just possibly the motive was kidnapping for money... gone wrong
...i.e. the chloroform.

Just a theory.

momtective
09-17-2008, 03:42 PM
Not only do I think Caylee is alive...I think there is way more to this story wiht many more players and yes, I do think we will all be shocked when the truth comes out.

StillLurkin
09-17-2008, 03:52 PM
I voted no because I think if she were alive someone in that family would be looking for her.

thatswhatshesaid
09-17-2008, 03:56 PM
Sadly, :no:

Renea
09-17-2008, 04:03 PM
I voted no because I think if she were alive someone in that family would be looking for her.

How do you know they are not? I happen to know that they are. If Cindy thought Caylee was no longer alive she would not be following up on tips.

missscarlett
09-17-2008, 04:12 PM
How do you know they are not? I happen to know that they are. If Cindy thought Caylee was no longer alive she would not be following up on tips.

Exactly what tips is she following up on? If I had a grandaughter missing and I was following up on tips, I'm pretty sure I'd get off my bum and travel to the source of the tip. I sure wouldn't be spending all of my time pounding in "No Tresspassing" signs.

By the way, I voted no.

suggie
09-17-2008, 04:12 PM
Caylee is in spirit.

suggie
09-17-2008, 04:18 PM
Exactly what tips is she following up on? If I had a grandaughter missing and I was following up on tips, I'm pretty sure I'd get off my bum and travel to the source of the tip. I sure wouldn't be spending all of my time pounding in "No Tresspassing" signs.

By the way, I voted no.


I agree especially if they have been successful in securing PR, Attorneys, Bonds, 20/20, Bodyguards, Media attention. Searching...IMO a joke. Not to mention their rude a** behavior towards searchers and Tim. Forget KC--What about Caylee?

EtherealGirl
09-17-2008, 04:38 PM
I voted no.

I held out hope for a long time but it would be impossible for me to think she is still alive with the ever mounting evidence against her so called mother.

mydailyopinions
09-17-2008, 04:40 PM
I voted No.
As bad as that hurts to say. and I am praying I am wrong..

I go back to her not being reported missing for so long. The more logical reason for not calling the police is the fear of trouble..

sunsetbeach
09-17-2008, 05:42 PM
How do you know they are not? I happen to know that they are. If Cindy thought Caylee was no longer alive she would not be following up on tips.

No offence but is Cindy, George & Lee looking for Caylee via the phone line?? As far as I see they are home everyday and that is not how one looks for someone who is missing. Didn't Cindy say she would go door to door and to the ends of the earth to find Caylee? How can you do that if you stay in your own home everyday?
Are either of these people even working?


All JMO and no offence intended to anyone on the board.

BlueEyedSpy
09-17-2008, 06:04 PM
I didn't vote yet...but i really think there's a possibility she is alive and well. I think that's maybe why Casey is so calm about this all.

Actually that's one of the reasons why I think she is alive.

LaLaw2000
09-17-2008, 06:06 PM
In a word - NO.

(I wish she were, tho.)

dcorrigano
09-17-2008, 07:00 PM
wishing and praying for yes, but it's just been too long... so Nope.

LinasK
09-17-2008, 07:22 PM
As much as everyone wants her to be alive, Caylee is dead. She is not Elizabeth Smart or Shawn Hornbeck... Cadaver dogs don't lie, and neither does the death bands of her hair in the trunk of her mother's car, add that to the decomp smell and air samples in the trunk and chloroform and chloroform searches and a mother who never reports her missing, is a proven liar, and continues life partying like her child never happened!

Maui4me
09-17-2008, 07:26 PM
My heart would love her to be alive, my gut says no.

Gummishoe
09-17-2008, 07:43 PM
I cry thinking about that poor little child she would have been better off adopted and not knowing these people.

I voted no

:Justice:

ArtichokeHeart
09-17-2008, 07:57 PM
I think Caylee is dead but that it was an accident or some unforseeable event. Some people don't cry in public. Casey has been taught all her life to serve and conform to outer reality and the very reason she is so empty inside. She is lying to protect her mother. Cindy has told her she couldn't go on knowing something had happened to Caylee. Well, it did..we don't know know how or why yet but Casey is protecting her mother...each lie, each new turn gives her mother hope. And Cindy who smelled a dead body but doesn't want to believe the worst is satisfied with hope. it is a protective screen. Casey knows this.

LindaK
09-17-2008, 09:56 PM
Sorry, no way. Too much evidence to the contrary.

Misfit76
09-17-2008, 10:18 PM
I pray every day and night that Caylee is alive, so until the evidence is in my face that shes not, I hold that little glimmer of hope. But I did vote no, because no matter how much hope I hold onto or how much faith I have in my prayers, common sense tells me she has passed on.

SeriouslySearching
09-17-2008, 11:05 PM
31 Days. I voted no. :(

Trapshooter
09-17-2008, 11:09 PM
My heart wishes and prays that she is alive but my head tells me no, she isn't alive any longer.

If this were a "kidnapping", wouldn't someone have come forth to collect the reward money? Isn't it $225,000?

MD MOMMY
09-17-2008, 11:35 PM
How do you know they are not? I happen to know that they are. If Cindy thought Caylee was no longer alive she would not be following up on tips.

Did they follow up on your tip?

TURBOTHINK
09-18-2008, 12:07 AM
How do you know they are not? I happen to know that they are. If Cindy thought Caylee was no longer alive she would not be following up on tips.

You can't look for a child IN YOUR HOUSE..........simple answer.

They have never searched the first time and even told LE told them not to, then LE said they never said that to the grandparents. WHY the LIE?

Cindy and Cayley have spoken in past tense about Caylee since this started and spoke of things like memorials. They gave away what we all feel we know.

The truth is.........in my opinion there are NO tips........Even LP said there were no tips. There were some "fake" emails........and my guess is they were from someone in the family.

If she thought there was a sighting as much of a control freak as she is, she would have been right there. She would be in PR, she would have been in Mexico, etc. if she believed that.

What has NOT happened speaks volumes in this case.

TURBOTHINK
09-18-2008, 12:11 AM
I think Caylee is dead but that it was an accident or some unforseeable event. Some people don't cry in public. Casey has been taught all her life to serve and conform to outer reality and the very reason she is so empty inside. She is lying to protect her mother. Cindy has told her she couldn't go on knowing something had happened to Caylee. Well, it did..we don't know know how or why yet but Casey is protecting her mother...each lie, each new turn gives her mother hope. And Cindy who smelled a dead body but doesn't want to believe the worst is satisfied with hope. it is a protective screen. Casey knows this.

I don't think it was an accident at all. WHY take a chance on getting the death penalty for a murder if an accident happened? No one would.

The reason the body is hard to find is because the body will tell the way she died. There is a real reason 31 days went by before she was reported missing and it would have been longer if Cindy had not freaked out.

My guess is she was beaten to death.

cheko1
09-18-2008, 12:38 AM
Hi ya newt!!!! :blowkiss:

With a huge lump in my throat /tears in my eyes I have to say no!!!
The evidence is overwhelming / I held out in hopes of a miracle.

I just pray that they find her little body to bring closure & then bring justice to her killer.

Alcestic
09-18-2008, 12:46 AM
I would love it if she were and there was a great big huge conspiracy with Casey being involved with bad people...but well...deductive reasoning has me believing that she is unfortuantly not alive and I hope that we will eventually find out what REALLY happened. (I would even settle for the REAL truth and full immunity...Although full sentences on ALL other counts :))

Lexington
09-18-2008, 04:18 AM
Unfortunately not. I think she has not been alive since June 15/16. I hope that her remains are found and that she can have a proper burial. I of course hope that her killer and those that assisted her in any way are brought to justice.

Pink Panther
09-19-2008, 07:17 PM
As much as I hope that Caylee turns out to be alive, I do not believe that she is...With each passing day that her mother and her family refuses to assist in any way and with ANY information as to how she might be found, it becomes clearer and clearer that she is not.

(MOO)

yankeesbelle04
09-19-2008, 10:07 PM
Okay, so I am not posting this as a debate, so I hope that it doesn't get that far.. I just want to know what everyone's gut feelings are about this case.. Do you think Caylee is alive or deceased, in the woods, in a home safe, in the swamps, in PR? Any thoughts that just stick with you and you can't get rid of? First thoughts, lasting thoughts, thoughts from the heart?

Amberjack
09-19-2008, 10:13 PM
My latest gut feeling.....
Because of the forensics in the trunk, Caylee has passed.

I believe there are others involved & this may have started out as a phony kidnap plot by Casey for money. Unfortunately, the chloroform was used & used incorrectly.

In Casey's mind, she is not responsible. And quite possibly could be leaving clues/hints.

Pink Panther
09-19-2008, 10:24 PM
She's just too smug and self-confident...I think she killed her and feels quite sure that the body won't be found.

(Makes me very sad.)

hpvdr
09-19-2008, 11:18 PM
95% of the time I believe that Caylee is no longer with us due to the evidence of death.
Alot of the time I do not want to believe that Casey (or any other mother) could kill their child.
Even though I realize that she is a pathelogical liar, she shows no feelings what so ever regarding not seeing her child for the last 13 weeks. Sometimes I think, could she have sold her? And that is why she, CA, GA & LA do not appear to be as upset as I think I would be if I thought for one minute my child was dead. And now the lies are so big and have gone on for so long that they can't/won't come clean even if it means a live Caylee?
But then there is the evidence that points to death...

FootballMom
09-20-2008, 01:55 AM
I feel so left out of the race... I'm on the fence. I can't commit to either road because they both have valid reasons.... guess I now know what it feels like to be a member of the green party in a republican/democratic world.

diz39
09-20-2008, 08:39 AM
Okay, so I am not posting this as a debate, so I hope that it doesn't get that far.. I just want to know what everyone's gut feelings are about this case.. Do you think Caylee is alive or deceased, in the woods, in a home safe, in the swamps, in PR? Any thoughts that just stick with you and you can't get rid of? First thoughts, lasting thoughts, thoughts from the heart?

Interesting question. As soon as I heard of this incident, my gut said that Caylee was dead at the hands of her mother. Never waivered in that feeling at all. I really believe that KC did not want to deal with a child impacting her ability to go out and party. While it would have been the easiest thing to sign over custody to her parents, I think she has so much resentment towards her mother that she would not do that to spite her mom.
As for where she is, I wish I knew. I hate the idea of her little body never being discovered.
I think we could have a field day analyzing KC's behavior as a personality disorder or other psychiatric diagnoses that have been discussed on other threads by those with personal or professional insight. My thought? KC is just EVIL. Just as there is good on this earth there is also evil, and I believe KC is the embodement of evil.

Amberjack
09-20-2008, 09:56 PM
She's just too smug and self-confident...I think she killed her and feels quite sure that the body won't be found.

(Makes me very sad.)

I agree.....:mad:

johnielee333
09-21-2008, 06:56 AM
i voted no but i hope & wish i am wrong.

blupencl
09-21-2008, 12:01 PM
I still think that KC was living for the moment - that she was trying to have her cake and eat it too - that she was running around with college students and singles, she was loving it, and Caylee was in the way of that.

I don't think for one minute that she would have deliberately killed Caylee. I feel that she loved her. It is just in my gut that she didn't do it on purpose, whatever it was.

I think it was just that proverbial snowball rolling downhill. I know that not everybody feels sorry for KC but I do. I think her personality is ill. I think that she put Caylee's body somewhere but that she is able to compartmentalize - and that she's just not going to that compartment.

Don't kill me. JMO. :)

diane952
09-21-2008, 12:10 PM
I still think that KC was living for the moment - that she was trying to have her cake and eat it too - that she was running around with college students and singles, she was loving it, and Caylee was in the way of that.

I don't think for one minute that she would have deliberately killed Caylee. I feel that she loved her. It is just in my gut that she didn't do it on purpose, whatever it was.

I think it was just that proverbial snowball rolling downhill. I know that not everybody feels sorry for KC but I do. I think her personality is ill. I think that she put Caylee's body somewhere but that she is able to compartmentalize - and that she's just not going to that compartment.

Don't kill me. JMO. :)

I think shes dead..I agree with most of your statement. I personally think some sort of accident happened. KC is seriously mentally ill, Im not sure if I feel sorry for her..but I do agree she has tucked it away in her mind and is in as much denial as the rest of the family.
Its tragic all the way around.

addyM3
09-21-2008, 12:13 PM
Gosh, I've gone back and forth some. There have been times when I held out hope that Caylee is alive, but then the information with regards to the hair and the stain and chloroform came up, and I waivered slightly. But then, i realized that it is not confirmed. I made a choice to keep an open mind because i have doubts in both directions, and feel that the evidence they say they have, imo, is unsustantiated at this point. Until we have the evidence confirmed or not... or some information from TES about recovering a body, I have to look at the many sightings. We do not have all of LE's info on it, nor do we have all the info on the whole case. So, with that being said, I will keep an open mind until the proof is shown either way.

thelmadawg
09-21-2008, 12:22 PM
Sadly, NO. If she were alive there would be no reason for KC to continue lying and stonewalling. Not to mention the forensics. We can only hope LE has a lot more we don't know about.

twelbo
09-21-2008, 01:52 PM
If this were a "kidnapping", wouldn't someone have come forth to collect the reward money? Isn't it $225,000?

My thoughts exactly! If someone had her, they would find a way to return her and collect that reward!

I voted no!

Anais
09-21-2008, 04:29 PM
Sadly, NO. If she were alive there would be no reason for KC to continue lying and stonewalling. Not to mention the forensics. We can only hope LE has a lot more we don't know about.

Such a very sad statement, and yet it is definitely the truth when you get right down to it. When you really think about it Casey isn't keeping silent because she is alive and Caylee is in jeopardy and she doesn't want to be convicted of child neglect!

It all boils down to the truth of what really did happen to little Caylee at the hands of her own mother. Her mother holds all of the cards here and she knows it. It is one of the most elfish and sickening cases and extremely tragic. It has brought our entire nation to emotional anguish, and has even made some European news stations!

I just have this awful gut feeling that we will never really find out what nor where little Caylee is. That's saddest of all.


If this were a "kidnapping", wouldn't someone have come forth to collect the reward money? Isn't it $225,000?

My thoughts exactly! If someone had her, they would find a way to return her and collect that reward!

I voted no!

If this was a kidnapping, or if some person really did have Caylee and she were really out there now someone, some where would have seen her and reported it by now. For nearly a quarter of a million dollars you bet on it!

Vahlaria
09-28-2008, 10:03 AM
I doubt she's alive. However, I do have a hard time sticking to the fact she's dead, but I think that's more of a personal issue than a belief I can support with fact and evidence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way attacking anyone here, but, I personally just have a hard time looking at her pic and thinking to myself, she's dead.
It seems so final to me, and so unfair. (the though she is dead)

I guess I'm a "clinging to hope even when there's no hope to be had person."
I just can't stop hoping that some how, in some way there's an explination for the evidence, making it possible she's alive.

I will say, I am consistent in this, and hope this about every missing child. The ability to harm, hurt and kill a child is a concept that is beyond my thought process.

But, yes, evidence supports her demise solidly.

Macushla
09-28-2008, 11:46 AM
I will say, I am consistent in this, and hope this about every missing child. The ability to harm, hurt and kill a child is a concept that is beyond my thought process. But, yes, evidence supports her demise solidly.

I think you will find a lot of us agree with your opinion. My heart wants Caylee to be alive, my head knows the evidence proves (IMO) that she is not. Emotions vs. logic I guess. I felt the same way about Trenton Duckett, and all the other high profile missing children cases I have read about.

I just hope that they find this beautiful little girl somewhere and give her a resting place much more fitting than the one she has now.

Meagain
09-28-2008, 12:40 PM
I question if the 56 people who voted "she's alive", actually read all the documents or even much of them regarding this case.

angelmom
09-28-2008, 01:03 PM
I question if the 56 people who voted "she's alive", actually read all the documents or even much of them regarding this case.

Me too. I keep reading the "alive" threads hoping to find the tiniest shred of hope to cling to. But all of the "valid" arguments that are being given the same weight as all of these documents are "what if" and "maybe" possibilities that depend on LE being liars, incompetent, and downright evil. Not to mention that they rely on Casey, a known liar, being such a good mother that she'd face prison time and the hatred of the world to protect her child when it has been PROVEN that she lies and shows no emotion.

The people that keep saying her lack of anxiety indicates that Caylee isn't dead do not seem to consider that, once the word was out, it was then okay and even logical for Casey to be upset. It would have been a huge relief, IMHO, to finally be able to cry and scream and get hysterical after holding it all in for a month.

The people who say Casey seemed to love Caylee so it must have been an accident totally disregard the idea that if you accidentally kill someone you love and then hide it, how would a person with genuine emotions not cry and get upset when the story finally came out? If those signs of love were real, then how would she be able to cover her grief so well?

The only answer to either of these things is that Casey does not have normal emotions and does not even know how to fake them in this instance b/c she hasn't had anyone to copy. She can copy maternal love b/c she has seen it. She can copy romantic love and friendship b/c she has witnessed it. She can even fake concern for a father who has had a stroke b/c she has seen it up close and personal when her grandfather had a stroke. But she doesn't know how a real mother acts when her child is missing b/c she hasn't had enough time to perfect her act. Looking up websites and watching on TV wasn't enough research, and that is what will get her in the end.

2Lulu
09-29-2008, 04:01 AM
Sadly, no. There's not a reason in this world for Casey to continue to lie if she had information that her daughter was alive.

I'm still on the fence as to whether or not it was an "accident."

Fandy
09-29-2008, 07:25 AM
I question if the 56 people who voted "she's alive", actually read all the documents or even much of them regarding this case.

me too. I wish i could believe the rumors of sightings, but they are all false and unproven. they are trying to turn people who want to believe by spinning these wild tales that go in 100 different directions that make no sense.....even to the point of saying "believe me, not LE". there is too much damning evidence, and i'm sure we have only seen the tip of it.

i now think the worst. it was premeditated and a deliberate action on Casey's part. Cindy was forcing her hand to become a responsible parent and casey dug her heels in to get even.

ArtichokeHeart
09-30-2008, 12:07 AM
I voted no as well because she even admitted herself that she could not bear to see her mother so upset. It was a convient lie that Lee helped her to make. It is a wonderful lie as brilliant as her phoney accident story to her mother when she didn't want to come home. Cindy eats these lies up like candy.

I still can't feel certain it was murder. When you wish deep in your heart that you were free of your daughter and you are a somewhat neglectful person that is prime terratory calling out for an accident to happen.

Her plan to take Caylee and run having no job or money or place to stay but with boyfriends speaks to me of reckless endangerment.

Phathoming Caylee's whereabouts except for in a dumpster or crocodile leaves me dumbfounded as also what she did with her time.

yankeesbelle04
09-30-2008, 12:12 AM
I doubt she's alive. However, I do have a hard time sticking to the fact she's dead, but I think that's more of a personal issue than a belief I can support with fact and evidence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way attacking anyone here, but, I personally just have a hard time looking at her pic and thinking to myself, she's dead.
It seems so final to me, and so unfair. (the though she is dead)

I guess I'm a "clinging to hope even when there's no hope to be had person."
I just can't stop hoping that some how, in some way there's an explination for the evidence, making it possible she's alive.

I will say, I am consistent in this, and hope this about every missing child. The ability to harm, hurt and kill a child is a concept that is beyond my thought process.

But, yes, evidence supports her demise solidly.

I completely understand and agree with you.. You took the words right out of my mouth. I am pulled in both directions, torn with want and hoping for Caylee to be alive, but not being confident that she is.. It's like I just wont admit it to myself.. Kind of like the Anthony's I guess.. Strange, how emotionally attached we have all become to this little girl..

aqua_mom
09-30-2008, 02:34 AM
I can't bring myself to vote no. I can't help feeling that there is a huge piece of the puzzle that is missing.

I know that I'm in the minority but both scenarios make sense to me. I hope time will give us a more definite understanding of what happened and that Caylee will be found.

I just keep praying every day for some kind of closure.

Leila
09-30-2008, 03:31 AM
Sadly, I believe Caylee has been deceased since June 16th. I'm very discouraged about the possibility of finding her remains. It's been too long and there's too many bodies of water, some of which have alligators.

GingBreade
09-30-2008, 04:17 AM
I can't bring myself to vote no. I can't help feeling that there is a huge piece of the puzzle that is missing.

I know that I'm in the minority but both scenarios make sense to me. I hope time will give us a more definite understanding of what happened and that Caylee will be found.

I just keep praying every day for some kind of closure.

It is so hard. Closure is what we need - the Anthonys need (excluding Casey of course)! The only thing keeping me from the other 'good' scenario is that there is no trace of a ZG - not one thing...

Lexington
09-30-2008, 06:06 AM
I don't know how anyone in their right mind could think that this poor child is still alive, what with the outrageous outright lies, the behavior of the mother, the decomp and hair in the trunk of the car, I could go on and on, but they are too numerous to mention. No, sadly, she is not alive and has not been alive for a number of months. I wish they would locate her body and bring justice to her killer and to those who aided and abetted in whatever manner, shape or form. This is a case that screams for justice.

Vegas Bride
09-30-2008, 04:33 PM
I don't know how anyone in their right mind could think that this poor child is still alive, what with the outrageous outright lies, the behavior of the mother, the decomp and hair in the trunk of the car, I could go on and on, but they are too numerous to mention. No, sadly, she is not alive and has not been alive for a number of months. I wish they would locate her body and bring justice to her killer and to those who aided and abetted in whatever manner, shape or form. This is a case that screams for justice.

I agree 100% with what you said. It's horrible what happened and it's even now worse because so far there has been no justice and somewhere out there is a little baby who needs and deserves to be laid to rest.

VB

lucy54
10-01-2008, 05:35 PM
no she is not alive.

Gray's Mom
10-01-2008, 05:40 PM
I do not believe she is alive.

txanmom
10-01-2008, 05:47 PM
Sadly, I believe Caylee has been deceased since June 16th. I'm very discouraged about the possibility of finding her remains. It's been too long and there's too many bodies of water, some of which have alligators.


i agree with you here, she either buried her deep enough and wrapped up in a duffle bag or other (virtually impossible to find i would think) or the alligators. KC researched everything else so why wouldn't she have researched this a bit as well. i vote no. so so so sad. we need a lil cryin' smilie for this thread.

DianeB
10-01-2008, 06:02 PM
There is evidence that Caylee is deceased.

The only ‘evidence’ that she is alive is the word of her mother, who has not told the truth about anything relating to her daughter’s disappearance, or her own activities.

Why would a jury believe that Casey is telling the truth about Caylee when she has proven to be lying about everything else? She has zero credibility.

I just served on a jury, and one of the instructions the judge dispenses before trial is that jurors may believe all, part or none of a witness’ testimony, and are free to disregard any testimony they believe to be untrue.

In the absence of finding Caylee’s body, I think the only question is whether Casey will receive the death penalty, or simply a long prison sentence.

Dtronic
10-01-2008, 08:12 PM
No. As soon as I heard about this case I knew. The police would have found her in the first couple of days if she was alive.

cfromcanada
10-01-2008, 10:57 PM
I have thought that this poor baby was deceased from day one and yet when they said that they had decomp and dna in the trunk as evidence of same, I cried.

CatLynnette
10-02-2008, 02:16 PM
From everything that I have read about this case regarding evidence, sadly it appears that Caylee is deceased.

seagull65
10-05-2008, 10:56 PM
I wish you had included in the options an "I don't know". I honestly can't tell yet. I pray that she is still alive and well. When LP said on the NG show that KC left the family home because her mother had throttled/choked her over the stolen money, that gave me renewed hope that KC has had friends hide Caylee or something along those lines. There could be many possible reasons for KC "lying", or not as much of it might be lies as the media seem to think. You never know. I think it's certainly possible that Caylee could have died completely accidentally while Casey or any of her friends were watching her. There could even have been a predator who took advantage of the situation KC was in, having to live here and there, having to have friends help with Caylee, who knows, even maybe living out of her vehicle at some point. Anything could have happened. In those last weeks due to KC being on her own having to stay with this friend or that, and all their roommates and friends and acquaintances, and all the new acquaintances through the club, Caylee could have come into contact with a bad person, or a very intoxicated person, even possibly a complete stranger, somewhere along the line. You just never know. I am not making any accusation toward any individual, I have no suspicion of any particular person.
But I do still think it's possible that KC had someone take the child somewhere and believes that she is okay. She could be refusing to name this person so as not to implicate them or so as to wait out a legal waiting period in an adoption, or who knows what (though I see little reason to think KC would consider giving the child up for adoption, I personally believe she did NOT have a motive to get rid of her child, there is no evidence that she wanted to, but after the alleged choking incident, you never know.) It's also possible that someone in the group, or even a babysitter, took advantage of KC's trust. It's entirely possible that KC does not feel she can name someone who has Caylee, or someone who harmed Caylee, either way. There are myriad possibilities in this case. My opinion only of course. So I answer: Don't know.

anastacia129
11-17-2008, 07:57 PM
Sorry, but what besides the fact they haven't found her bones points to her being alive? People believe what they want to believe. Alot of wives with cheating husbands believe they aren't cheating b/c it's easier. People believe in UFO's even if they haven't ever met an alien. People will argue the creation/big bang theory forever even though not one of us was there to see it. Beliefs are one thing, science is another. Science convicts, not beliefs.

LI_Mom
11-17-2008, 08:06 PM
IMO, IF Cindy really believed Casey's story that she was alive.... there is NO WAY this family would be content to wait until the trial to let LE know what the whole truth is.

And IF I'm wrong & Cindy really does believe this.... George would NOT.

George might be going along with Cindy as far as defending Casey but ONLY because he 100% believes that's all that's left to do.... there IS no live Caylee to rescue.

yosande
11-17-2008, 08:34 PM
the decomp smell, and the hair, prove she is dead. Beyond that Casey did not report a kidnapping, ever. It was her mom who called 911, and pushed the phone in her face to tell the tall tale.
One more thing, if Caylee was alive, Casey wouldn't be sitting in jail for a second. She would tell LE where she is. The reason she isn't is because if she does she will get convicted of murder.
Her own mother's behavior proves it as well. If Caylee were alive, CA would be looking for her. She is not looking for her, she is trying to cause reasonable doubt, so KC can get away with yet another crime, this one against her own grandbaby.
She really should think about what she is doing. It's not right.

Pink Panther
11-17-2008, 08:34 PM
5 months and counting...CA not only seems to believe that Caylee is alive but that she is also in some sort of "safe" keeping...A situation that will allow her to remain safe until the trial is over...

Hmmm...

cayleesangels
11-17-2008, 08:34 PM
sadly no i do not believe Caylee is alive. I just wish Casey would tell us where she is so she could be given the decent burial she so deserves!!!!:furious:

Charge Them All
11-17-2008, 08:44 PM
If Caylee were alive...
*Somebody would have taken advantage of the $200,000 reward
*Somebody would have seen her by now
*There would have been a sketch released of ZFG
*ZFG would have been found
*ZFG would have really lived at the Sawgrass apartments
*There would be no decomp in the car
*There would be no death band on the hair in the trunk
*Cadaver dogs would not have hit on the car
*Chloroform would not even be a discussion
*Casey would be well informed about missing kids and the danger they face, since she was google researching them.
*Casey would tell us where she was, do you really think she is gonna face the death penalty to "protect" her daughter?

Pink Panther
11-17-2008, 08:46 PM
If Caylee were alive...
*Somebody would have taken advantage of the $200,000 reward
*Somebody would have seen her by now
*There would have been a sketch released of ZFG
*ZFG would have been found
*ZFG would have really lived at the Sawgrass apartments
*There would be no decomp in the car
*There would be no death band on the hair in the trunk
*Cadaver dogs would not have hit on the car
*Chloroform would not even be a discussion
*Casey would be well informed about missing kids and the danger they face, since she was google researching them.
*Casey would tell us where she was, do you really think she is gonna face the death penalty to "protect" her daughter?
I agree. I also think that the only reason she is facing the death penalty at this point is because her lawyer is a knob.

My Opinion Only

LetJusticePrevail
11-17-2008, 08:49 PM
It scares me to think there's a thread for this. Here's our reasonable doubt for the defense.

illinoismom
11-17-2008, 08:58 PM
i voted no,.. but I would give anything to be wrong! :(

No here too. But this is one instance where I'd love to be wrong!!!!

Skully
11-17-2008, 09:23 PM
It scares me to think there's a thread for this. Here's our reasonable doubt for the defense.

There a go......

That is why it will be so important to find her remains; unless there is more and LE is keeping it close to the vest.

madeleine
11-18-2008, 08:54 AM
No.:rose:

hornswoggled
11-18-2008, 10:04 AM
I hold a strong belief in forensic science. Based on the science alone, I believe that Caylee is dead. How she got dead is up to our court system and a jury of 12 to decide.

On the other hand, putting forensic science aside, It just makes sense to go with the very first impression of those who encountered the white car and immediately said that it smelled of a dead body. First was the guy at the tow-in lot, then George, then Cindy, then the detective who testified at the bond hearing, then the cadaver dogs. Each of these has smelled the odor of human decomposition before. It is said that there is no other odor like it, and it is unforgettable.

Adding forensic science, the smell of decomposition, and all the other circumstantial evidence together paints a clear picture to me. :cry:

Pink Panther
11-18-2008, 10:30 AM
Jesse's Dad is angry:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=449793773

dreamweaver
11-18-2008, 11:37 AM
No. Caylee is dead. It felt that way the moment Cindy A said those words to 911 operator on 7/15/08.

CHICANA
11-18-2008, 12:04 PM
I completely understand and agree with you.. You took the words right out of my mouth. I am pulled in both directions, torn with want and hoping for Caylee to be alive, but not being confident that she is.. It's like I just wont admit it to myself.. Kind of like the Anthony's I guess.. Strange, how emotionally attached we have all become to this little girl..

I've got it thru my head, I just can't break it to my heart.

Gram2
11-25-2008, 01:39 PM
What if Caylee really is alive? How would the trunk evidence be explained? I would hate to think that she's alive and nobody is continuing to look for her.
Being a liar and partier doesn't make Casey a murderer. How can we be sure?

SleuthinCa
11-25-2008, 01:43 PM
I don't think that with the trunk evidence there is any way in the world Caylee is alive

LI_Mom
11-25-2008, 01:49 PM
Well, IF Caylee was still alive the last time the 'motha of the year' saw her & all these horrible people are willing to wait until Casey's trial for the truth to come out.....

THEY'RE all responsible for whatever happened/happens to Caylee.

If she's being raped, tortured or murdered & they're not doing everything possible to rescue her ASAP.... they should ALL be prosecuted.

The family, the PI, Baez & everyone else who is giving Casey a free pass to NOT cooperate fully!

TURBOTHINK
11-25-2008, 01:50 PM
She is DEAD as a doornail..........you can't have a dead child walking around.

The child is dead, and people need to stop this madness to placate CA and aid in KC' defense.

Pocono Sleuther
11-25-2008, 01:50 PM
Unfortunately this is not possible. There really is zero chance that Caylee is alive in this case. The hairs with death bands matching mitochondrial DNA, the cadaver dogs hit, the stains in the car, the chlorofom, and a very missing Caylee all point to only one thing. The sweet girl is gone from this Earth.

tangerinemoon
11-25-2008, 01:51 PM
This is just a pathetic attempt to create reasonable doubt in the jury pool,save their poor excuse for a human being daughter from prison, maybe the death penalty. This is not about Caylee for them anymore it is about saving KC's sorry arse. This is about making LE look like jerks, basically payback for releasing those tapes the other day.

manatee
11-25-2008, 01:51 PM
not reported missing for 31 days
borrowed shovel
partied and shopped, stole money while daughter missing
lied about everything repeately to OCOS including who she gave her child to last
decomposition smell in the car verified by dogs, CA, GA and everyone else that came in contact with car
decomposition smell verified by forensics
hair with decomp that could belong to KC or Caylee but KC is alive so it must be Caylee's
chloroform smell in car
chloroform searches in computer
searches for missing kids websites BEFORE caylee went missing

there is more I'm sure but I'm tired.
Elizabeth smart was reported missing immediately. no signs of decomp or decomp dna ever found

manatee
11-25-2008, 01:53 PM
What if Caylee really is alive? How would the trunk evidence be explained? I would hate to think that she's alive and nobody is continuing to look for her.
Being a liar and partier doesn't make Casey a murderer. How can we be sure?

I seriously hope that you are playing devils advocate and that you don't seriously believe that she could be alive. :confused:

BetsyB
11-25-2008, 01:53 PM
What if Caylee really is alive? How would the trunk evidence be explained? I would hate to think that she's alive and nobody is continuing to look for her.
Being a liar and partier doesn't make Casey a murderer. How can we be sure?
If she's alive, she will be found. Seriously, those of us who believe her to be dead wouldn't be ecstatic to see her at a mall or McDonald's.

She hasn't been sold into slavery, and she hasn't been stolen by a vengeful drug cartel. There have been no ransom demands, and the story is simply not credible.

She did not get left with an imaginary nanny. Her mother is not protecting her by keeping mum. Rather, her mother planned her death well in advance, and apparently quite successfully carried it out.

Still---there are enough eyeballs peeled for her that if she's living, she'll be found.

insatiable
11-25-2008, 01:53 PM
What if Caylee really is alive? How would the trunk evidence be explained? I would hate to think that she's alive and nobody is continuing to look for her.
Being a liar and partier doesn't make Casey a murderer. How can we be sure?

Caylee not being alive is the only explaination for that. The hair with the death band band belongs to someone who matches her mtdna.....we all know Casey is alive, CA is alive, the g-grandmother is alive, lee (if he has the same mtdna) is alive........the only one unaccounted for is Caylee.

manatee
11-25-2008, 01:54 PM
Well, IF Caylee was still alive the last time the 'motha of the year' saw her & all these horrible people are willing to wait until Casey's trial for the truth to come out.....

THEY'RE all responsible for whatever happened/happens to Caylee.

If she's being raped, tortured or murdered & they're not doing everything possible to rescue her ASAP.... they should ALL be prosecuted.

The family, the PI, Baez & everyone else who is giving Casey a free pass to NOT cooperate fully!

Great points! if KC knows all this could she not be an accessory to a crime anyways?

debs
11-25-2008, 01:57 PM
What if Caylee really is alive? How would the trunk evidence be explained? I would hate to think that she's alive and nobody is continuing to look for her.
Being a liar and partier doesn't make Casey a murderer. How can we be sure?

Most criminalists would agree that being known as a liar and petty thief is a far stretch from being a murderer. However, we also know that Casey is impulsive, reckless with her own body (one confirmed pregnancy, another alleged one, multiple sex partners, excessive drinking, perhaps some drug use), demonstrated a marked increase in her destructive behaviors in the month after her daughter went missing, has never come forward with information regarding the whereabouts of her child if Caylee IS alive, instead being willing to risk the death penalty on the hopes that the State cannot prove there was a death. It takes no effort to see that there are no circumstances whereby someone would rather face the death penalty than to say "Oh, well she's with so and so here" or "I know it was illegal but I sold her to a good family and I don't want them to get in trouble but I just couldn't keep Caylee myself." If a circumstance should be cobbled to make this decision make any possible sense, I do not see it.

Unless Casey was standing over the corpse of her daughter with a confession on her lips, there is no "for sure" to be found in this case. What we must now depend upon is reasoning, facts filtered from evidence and testimony gathered, and forensic evidence that determines that there was in fact a dead body in that trunk. How forensics comes to that conclusion is on them. I can only speak to the fact that this is what LE has stated. It is for the state to make the proof.

But you are correct. How do we know for sure? We, the public at large, unsolicited by any attorney in this case, unrelated to LE to provide our collective wisdom, have only our ability to read documents provided, watch videos of testimonies, listen to audio of others, and make up our minds using what facts we can determine.

We aren't bound like LE to prove guilt. We can assign it, and sometimes we do. What we cannot do, is assign it with absolute guarantees. But we aren't the lawyers. Thankfully.

LI_Mom
11-25-2008, 02:00 PM
Great points! if KC knows all this could she not be an accessory to a crime anyways?

Casey and ALL of them are constantly in front of the cameras as willing accessories to this crime, imo.

They have NO concern for Caylee, if they are wasting time blasting LE & not devoting all their energies to getting the truth out of the p.o.s. sitting in that jail cell.

And I do NOT excuse Baez because he's defending Casey.... if any defense atty. looked the other way when he believed a child could be harmed, he's DESPICABLE & should be in jail.

These people are all inhuman if they TRULY believe Caylee is alive & they would rather defend Casey than get the truth out of her. MONSTERS!

KellioPSL
11-25-2008, 02:21 PM
I think the thing that makes this case so bad,(besides the obvious of course) is the fact that this family is not standing up for this child. kc is an adult and can take care of her self. Caylee was a baby, vulnerable, and now strangers (you, me and the rest of the world) have to stand up for her because her own family wont.

Jolynna
11-25-2008, 02:26 PM
I find it interesting to see that 65 people believe Caylee is alive.

I wonder how many would vote that Casey doesn't deserve to spend time in jail?

I think despite the obstacles it would be easier to find a juror to believe Caylee might be alive than one that thinks Casey's stonewalling and lies shouldn't be punished.

I don't think the defense CAN argue that Casey is innocent. Or that she didn't have motive, opportunity, premeditate or even have something dead in her car.

kittycats2
11-25-2008, 02:33 PM
I think the thing that makes this case so bad,(besides the obvious of course) is the fact that this family is not standing up for this child. kc is an adult and can take care of her self. Caylee was a baby, vulnerable, and now strangers (you, me and the rest of the world) have to stand up for her because her own family wont.

Well said
I think thats what the Anthony supporters dont get...we ..the general public are outraged that her family(Cindy and George) are not standing up for what is right..look at all the evidence for gods sake.Yes this means you may have to grieve twice...once for your grandaughter and also your own daughter who caused every stinking nasty thing is this tragedy!

JBean
11-25-2008, 02:34 PM
I find it interesting to see that 65 people believe Caylee is alive.

I wonder how many would vote that Casey doesn't deserve to spend time in jail?

I think despite the obstacles it would be easier to find a juror to believe Caylee might be alive than one that thinks Casey's stonewalling and lies shouldn't be punished.

I don't think the defense CAN argue that Casey is innocent. Or that she didn't have motive, opportunity, premeditate or even have something dead in her car.Keep in mind this poll was started in August prior to all the newer information being released.
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Gram2
11-25-2008, 03:52 PM
I seriously hope that you are playing devils advocate and that you don't seriously believe that she could be alive. :confused:


No, I'm not playing devil's advocate. Maybe it is just my heart hoping for the impossible. My head tells me she's dead, but every so often a little hope filters in.

fay
11-25-2008, 05:19 PM
Every once in a while, I get a hopeful almost excited feeling (I'm not sure if that is the right word) that she has been kidnapped but I can not get past the pure science that indicates she is gone.
So with sadness I vote no, that poor little baby is gone at the hands of her mother.

SuziQ
11-25-2008, 05:57 PM
I know some have doubts about a mother being able to kill her child. Below is a snippet regarding another case. The stats are shocking:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/25/kehoe.mom.charged/index.html

(snip)
Cases of mothers who kill their children, like Susan Smith and Andrea Yates, continue to fascinate the public, even as the rates of filicide -- the act of a parent who kills his or her own child -- have remained fairly stable.
"Because these cases are so tragic, they pull at your heartstrings, but they happen all the time," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, California.
In 2005, 555 children under the age of five were victims of homicide, compared with 544 in 1976. The rate peaked in 1991 at 778 and bottomed out in 1971 at 511, according to statistics from the Department of Justice.
Another fairly stable statistic: In more than 50 percent of child homicides, the killer is a parent.
"The natural defense to anticipate is insanity (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/mental_health) because why would a mother kill her own child?" Levenson asked. "It certainly can be insanity, but it's not always the case. Perfectly sane people can do horrible things and they do, every day."
Mothers can be motivated to kill their children by several factors, according to criminologist James Alan Fox, Lipman Family professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University.
Some act on genuine psychotic delusions, as jurors determined to be the case with Texas mother Andrea Yates, who told doctors she drowned her five children because God told her to do so. Others can be motivated by selfish reasons: Susan Smith's alleged motive for killing her children was that she perceived them to be an obstacle in her relationship with her boyfriend.
"It's a crazy thing to do but crazy describes the behavior, not the mind," said Fox, adding that between 300 and 350 children have been homicide victims in 2008.

doogiesgirl
11-25-2008, 06:35 PM
I am 100% convinced that Caylee is deceased, at the hands of her mother KC, and it was premeditated......Period. JMO

amethyst
11-25-2008, 08:19 PM
There is no way to get around the decomp issue. No one threw a body in the trunk at the tow yard and then took it out. The sweet little child we all have come to know and love is now playing at the feet of our lord. She is smiling and happy and safe from all harm now.

Skully
11-26-2008, 09:01 AM
I know some have doubts about a mother being able to kill her child. Below is a snippet regarding another case. The stats are shocking:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/25/kehoe.mom.charged/index.html

(snip)
Cases of mothers who kill their children, like Susan Smith and Andrea Yates, continue to fascinate the public, even as the rates of filicide -- the act of a parent who kills his or her own child -- have remained fairly stable.
"Because these cases are so tragic, they pull at your heartstrings, but they happen all the time," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, California.
In 2005, 555 children under the age of five were victims of homicide, compared with 544 in 1976. The rate peaked in 1991 at 778 and bottomed out in 1971 at 511, according to statistics from the Department of Justice.
Another fairly stable statistic: In more than 50 percent of child homicides, the killer is a parent.
"The natural defense to anticipate is insanity (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/mental_health) because why would a mother kill her own child?" Levenson asked. "It certainly can be insanity, but it's not always the case. Perfectly sane people can do horrible things and they do, every day."
Mothers can be motivated to kill their children by several factors, according to criminologist James Alan Fox, Lipman Family professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University.
Some act on genuine psychotic delusions, as jurors determined to be the case with Texas mother Andrea Yates, who told doctors she drowned her five children because God told her to do so. Others can be motivated by selfish reasons: Susan Smith's alleged motive for killing her children was that she perceived them to be an obstacle in her relationship with her boyfriend.
"It's a crazy thing to do but crazy describes the behavior, not the mind," said Fox, adding that between 300 and 350 children have been homicide victims in 2008.

Suzie,

Thank you, that was informative. I didn't realize the stats, but I do know mothers and fathers get to the end of their rope so to speak. People just can't believe parents do these kind of things, but THEY DO. That's why this is so hard for everyone on this board to believe that KC could do this and CA and GA could cover up for her.

enjay
11-26-2008, 09:14 AM
No, she's not alive. One look at CA's face tells you that she isn't and she and G know it. :mad:

Titan
11-26-2008, 12:03 PM
I voted no, and it really makes me sad. She is alive and well with God and that brings a lot of comfort.....

Fla_Red
11-26-2008, 12:06 PM
*heavy sigh* Unfortunately for us, no.

If she is alive, I know that whoever has her, she is far better off than with these nut jobs!

jerchers
11-26-2008, 07:03 PM
i WISH THAT CAYLEE WAS ALIVE AND WELL LIVING WITH ANOTHER FAMILY. NEVER TO RETURN TO THESE PEOPLE. That poor baby-makes me sick when i think of her. We talk about this case and how nuts everyone is- but at the end of the story that baby is no longer here. SAD SAD SAD if George and Cindy dont come clean then charges should be brought and they should go to jail. Always pity them no matter how nuts they are but not now- not after the hairbrush and the dog toothbrush.