Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #21

[momto3kids]

What's your theory about this broken/hanging license tag?

Tag was removed to do his running the morning of the 12th...

A--couldn't find 1 bolt when he got home to put it back on
OR
B--went to the carwash, removed the tag, and the hand pressured wand blew it off the ledge

He used some contraption to hold it on, which finally gave way.

It could be the LE removed it for evidence. Maybe NC hair was caught in it??:confused:

[Zoe]

That Zoe - man she had it in her head - she rocks ! Pretty awesome.

Thanks, RaisinCharlie! After the day I have had, well, I needed that...:blowkiss:

[momto3kids]

We're avoiding alll Chick-Fil-A's too!

He didn't follow me into Chick-fil-A....still safe place to attend..

With all the demolition going on in Waverly Place maybe he was looking for a place to dump something. The 1st time he passed me he looked strange. He was leaning forward looking side to side. Strange indeed :nerves:

[ncnative]

I hear you, Mom. BC is out to get you! He knows where you live! He's been following you. I double-dawg-dare you to put a big white bow on his back fence. (With Crazy Glue, so he can't get it off). Everyone should know where she lived. :gift:

He's watching you! :eye: :eye:

Ha ha.

[EntreNous]

Yeah, that's creepy indeed. EEK!

[ncnative]

One day last week I got behind a white BMW like Brad's. It was right where you turn left onto Cary Pkwy. from Lochmere, near behind his house. Only, the driver was a nerdy kind of dude, shorter than Brad, and I think eyeglasses. Dark hair. Is the back of Brad's white BMW dinged on the bumper? This one had a black ding line maybe several inches long, I can't remember. I have heard that someone has stayed with him, maybe his brother? Just a guess that it COULD have been someone driving his car, but there are a million zillion of them. But since I was right there...I figured you would know, Mom, every ding and dried bug on Brad's car, right?

[SleuthyGal]

No! Put a rainbow sticker on the back of his beemer and a BIG WHITE BOW on the radio antenna!

/childish snickering

[momto3kids]

One day last week I got behind a white BMW like Brad's. It was right where you turn left onto Cary Pkwy. from Lochmere, near behind his house. Only, the driver was a nerdy kind of dude, shorter than Brad, and I think eyeglasses. Dark hair. Is the back of Brad's white BMW dinged on the bumper? This one had a black ding line maybe several inches long, I can't remember. I have heard that someone has stayed with him, maybe his brother? Just a guess that it COULD have been someone driving his car, but there are a million zillion of them. But since I was right there...I figured you would know, Mom, every ding and dried bug on Brad's car, right?

This is exactly where he was..I had just come to the stop light waiting for it to turn green and he came righ in front of me. I was going to time Cary Pkwy to Tryon, then to Waverly. Absolutely no doubt it was him..

He leans forward, hands on top of the steering wheel with his elbows resting on the bottom of the stirring wheel...He was looking side to side over the hood. He was by himself, riding around like he had no care in the world..:furious:

[Star12]

One day last week I got behind a white BMW like Brad's. It was right where you turn left onto Cary Pkwy. from Lochmere, near behind his house. Only, the driver was a nerdy kind of dude, shorter than Brad, and I think eyeglasses. Dark hair. Is the back of Brad's white BMW dinged on the bumper? This one had a black ding line maybe several inches long, I can't remember. I have heard that someone has stayed with him, maybe his brother? Just a guess that it COULD have been someone driving his car, but there are a million zillion of them. But since I was right there...I figured you would know, Mom, every ding and dried bug on Brad's car, right?
don't know about his bro, but i read that his mother is with him. his father went back to canada

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, RaisinCharlie! After the day I have had, well, I needed that...:blowkiss:

Sorry you had a rough time of it today - will see if we can cheer you up.

Glass of milk ?

Glass of Juice ?

Cup of detergent ?


Wait, I gotta run to the store... BRB :blowkiss:

[SleuthyGal]

Cup of detergent ?
Wait, I gotta run to the store... BRB :blowkiss:

Oh you are soooooooo bad! Bad boy!

Wanna borrow my Vic card?

[momto3kids]

I hear you, Mom. BC is out to get you! He knows where you live! He's been following you. I double-dawg-dare you to put a big white bow on his back fence. (With Crazy Glue, so he can't get it off). Everyone should know where she lived. :gift:

He's watching you! :eye: :eye:

Ha ha.
Personal property I can't touch....I'd be :behindbar before he is! I want to be able to throw rice when they come to handcuff him.:clap:

[momto3kids]

don't know about his bro, but i read that his mother is with him. his father went back to canada

He was alone both times tonight...unless he was carrying her around in his trunk like he has done to someone recently :eek:
Maybe that is why he looked suspicious to me...looking for another dump site.

[SleuthyGal]

Maybe that is why he looked suspicious to me...looking for another dump site.

Well if his mother is anything like mine...I'm gonna call that possible justifiable homicide.

{ did I just say that out loud? }

[Star12]

Personal property I can't touch....I'd be :behindbar before he is! I want to be able to throw rice when they come to handcuff him.:clap:

instant? raw? cooked?

[raisincharlie]

Oh you are soooooooo bad! Bad boy!

Wanna borrow my Vic card?

No thanks to the Vic card, I don't want anyone to know I am running out twice to buy detergent today. :crazy:

[Star12]

Well if his mother is anything like mine...I'm gonna call that possible justifiable homicide.

{ did I just say that out loud? }

yes, and I heard it, too. EYEWITNESS!

[momto3kids]

Sorry you had a rough time of it today - will see if we can cheer you up.

Glass of milk ?

Glass of Juice ?

Cup of detergent ?


Wait, I gotta run to the store... BRB :blowkiss:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: You run to the store RC...I need to run to the bathroom after seeing that!

[momto3kids]

instant? raw? cooked?

RAW...just like you throw at weddings, a time to celebrate. Except this will be celebrating a union of BC and :behindbar and not a happy married couple.

[raisincharlie]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: You run to the store RC...I need to run to the bathroom after seeing that!


Don't be looking for a white car if you go looking for me, or a crooked plate either :crazy:

[SleuthyGal]

No thanks to the Vic card, I don't want anyone to know I am running out twice to buy detergent today. :crazy:

Could you please pick me up some stuff when you get to HT? I need milk, juice, a chainsaw, a hand saw, and some spring rolls. Nothing hinky, I promise. Pls. Thx.! :blowkiss:

[Star12]

Could you please pick me up some stuff when you get to HT? I need milk, juice, a chainsaw, a hand saw, and some spring rolls. Nothing hinky, I promise. Pls. Thx.! :blowkiss:

but no pepsi - pizza hut charged us 2.79 each for a 20 oz. who SAYS this is not the ritzy side of town?

[EntreNous]

You guys are being naughty, naughty, naughty tonight! :floorlaugh:

[raisincharlie]

Could you please pick me up some stuff when you get to HT? I need milk, juice, a chainsaw, a hand saw, and some spring rolls. Nothing hinky, I promise. Pls. Thx.! :blowkiss:


:eek: GULP

[Zoe]

Sorry you had a rough time of it today - will see if we can cheer you up.

Glass of milk ?

Glass of Juice ?

Cup of detergent ?


Wait, I gotta run to the store... BRB :blowkiss:


:laughbounce:

[momto3kids]

I have actually thought about going shopping at the Goodwill store and seeing if I happen to find a used Cisco hat and a North Face jacket....:D

[wirehair]

Verrrry good idea.

[momto3kids]

You guys are being naughty, naughty, naughty tonight! :floorlaugh:

If you have any requests feel free to throw it at us...all we can do is say NO.:rolling:

[maconrich]

I actually thought about doing paper delivery :Bicicleta:and requesting his route so I could check in early each morning to make sure he is not loading items to go to the dump.

Also to stick little sticky notes inside the paper with sweet messages. :)

oooohhhh you make me wish I lived over that way!! I do believe we could have some major fun ;)

Question on the warrants -- those were just the first ones, right? As in BC and attorneys have already seen them so they're mainly being kept from the media/public?

[SleuthyGal]

If you have any requests feel free to throw it at us...all we can do is say NO.:rolling:

What OTHER trouble are you planning to get yourself in next, Mom? Enquiring minds...

[momto3kids]

oooohhhh you make me wish I lived over that way!! I do believe we could have some major fun ;)

Question on the warrants -- those were just the first ones, right? As in BC and attorneys have already seen them so they're mainly being kept from the media/public?

Come on over and have some fun. I'll buy the rice to toss when the time comes and supply a few of these :toast:

I bet RC can answer this better...but I thought BC only knows about the one done on his house and vehicle.

[SleuthyGal]

I thought BC only knows about the one done on his house and vehicle.

He would have found out about the Cisco one cause it was well-publicized.

[mahmoo]

Sorry you had a rough time of it today - will see if we can cheer you up.

Glass of milk ?

Glass of Juice ?

Cup of detergent ?


Wait, I gotta run to the store... BRB :blowkiss:

You can http://i36.tinypic.com/rcvodi.gif while you wait to finish your http://i35.tinypic.com/k33m6h.gif

[Star12]

He would have found out about the Cisco one cause it was well-publicized.

I think BC knows as much about that SW as we do. unless someone at Cisco has told him.

[raisincharlie]

oooohhhh you make me wish I lived over that way!! I do believe we could have some major fun ;)

Question on the warrants -- those were just the first ones, right? As in BC and attorneys have already seen them so they're mainly being kept from the media/public?

The only one for sure that BC and his lawyer would know exactly what is said in the probable cause and what was removed would be the warrant for the residence and cars.

The warrant on his office would have been issued to Cisco Systems and Brad and Co have no right to a copy of it. There is no expectation of privacy in the workplace.

The undisclosed - can't even comment except to say if it was issued to a friend of BC's - they could share their copy of the warrant with him so he could see what is going on. They would have to make a judgement call if they wanted to share the info with him or not. Their integrity would decide but they are not exactly under a requirment to be quiet about it. If it was served on a property BC owns - he would get a copy of it. If it was served on a facility such as a commercial operation or retail outlet, there is no requirement to give any information to Brad and CO or even to alert them about the warrant.

[maconrich]

so it's all of them - Cisco and the undisclosed location, too? ok, I'm off to find the articles.

(and MT3K I think there's fun to be had before the rice throwing esp the way things about this seem to find you! Just stay safe!!)

ETA - TY RC!!

[momto3kids]

What OTHER trouble are you planning to get yourself in next, Mom? Enquiring minds...

You know...all I wanted to do is get some more time estimates for RC, since he did a wonderful graph last night. :blowkiss:

BC ruined it! He shouldn't have surprised me like he did.:eek:

Maybe I should send out flyers on how to make money on eBay and see if he calls??:confused: Or car detailing?

Any suggestions?

[momto3kids]

You can http://i36.tinypic.com/rcvodi.gif while you wait to finish your http://i35.tinypic.com/k33m6h.gif

I want the washing machine smilie!!! Where did you find it?

[SleuthyGal]

Maybe I should send out flyers on how to make money on eBay and see if he calls??:confused: Or car detailing?

Any suggestions?

Suggest acquiring a bundle of crossword puzzles and find-the-word puzzles to keep the soon-to-be-incarcerated occupied.

Car detailing would be good!

Write a book: "50 ways to clean a crime scene" or pen the ebook, "101 uses for Tide HE detergent w/out bleach"

[raisincharlie]

so it's all of them - Cisco and the undisclosed location, too? ok, I'm off to find the articles.

(and MT3K I think there's fun to be had before the rice throwing esp the way things about this seem to find you! Just stay safe!!)

ETA - TY RC!!

Sorry - I think the hearing today was only for the warrant on the residence served on 7/16

Cisco was 7/21 and the undisclosed was 7/25 so they will be coming due in a few days. Probaly the same result - will be re-sealed, maybe only for 2 weeks like the residence warrant.

[raisincharlie]

You can http://i36.tinypic.com/rcvodi.gif while you wait to finish your http://i35.tinypic.com/k33m6h.gif

ROFLMAO - yep ! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[mahmoo]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2bec9f.gif<--------mom when she looked over and saw BC.......rofl.

mom......maybe you better start wearing disguises so he won't start recognizing you.

[momto3kids]

Suggest acquiring a bundle of crossword puzzles and find-the-word puzzles to keep the soon-to-be-incarcerated occupied.

Car detailing would be good!

Write a book: "50 ways to clean a crime scene" or pen the ebook, "101 uses for Tide HE detergent w/out bleach"

Since NCNative noticed his leland had died 1st she can go offer to cut it down. Better yet SG you are the one who asked RC for a chainsaw..you can go do it.:clap:

[momto3kids]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2bec9f.gif<--------mom when she looked over and saw BC.......rofl.

mom......maybe you better start wearing disguises so he won't start recognizing you.

I think my mouth did this...:singing:

[maconrich]

Sorry - I think the hearing today was only for the warrant on the residence served on 7/16

Cisco was 7/21 and the undisclosed was 7/25 so they will be coming due in a few days. Probaly the same result - will be re-sealed, maybe only for 2 weeks like the residence warrant.

ok TY, I appreciate it :)

[momto3kids]

ROFLMAO - yep ! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

RC..did you use a cup full or a bottle full like BC? Remember it has low suds, so don't keep pouring the detergent in or you'll have bubbles coming out over the top like I had a roommate do once.:crazy:

[raisincharlie]

RC..did you use a cup full or a bottle full like BC? Remember it has low suds, so don't keep pouring the detergent in or you'll have bubbles coming out over the top like I had a roommate do once.:crazy:

Sweetie, I learned a while back that me and laundry and microwaves just don't get along. If I wish to continue breathing I have been instructed to never even think about the B (bleach) word or death will be sudden but swift. Last time I did laundry, was trying to help, it wasn't pretty. I have also learned what happens when you put Dawn dish soap in the dishwasher or bubble bath stuff in a jacuzzi. Fun stuff.


Brad can stick with the laundry and buying that stuff that goes with it.

[chauncey7381]

[ Case in point: The Young warrants: After reading those, how many potential jurors won't to into a trial with at least a little bit of bias against the husband?? (if he is ultimately arrested) ]

I'm still reading the SWs and am simply stunned. Is Wade Smith still representing him?

Bottom line, if the concern about preventing a fair trail and prejudicing the public against a potential defendant is legitimate, and the subject of the warrants is still the subject of the investigation (and a potential suspect), then how is this concern mitigated at all unless the warrants are kept concealed (until either trial, or the person is no longer a suspect)

Am I making any sense?

I view it as LE/CPD don't have all the tox, DNA, forsensic reports back yet, it's clear that Mr. Cooper is the number one suspect. Charge him, charge someone or they are unsealed in two weeks is the message I'm getting from Stephens.

Still on the fence. Mrs. Cooper passed before 6:15 a.m. or after 7:00 a.m. I think TOD will need to be established without any doubt or minimal error if that is possible.

[mahmoo]

RC..did you use a cup full or a bottle full like BC? Remember it has low suds, so don't keep pouring the detergent in or you'll have bubbles coming out over the top like I had a roommate do once.:crazy:

Reminds me of hubby putting laundry detergent in a dishwasher.......we were on vacation......was at a condo we rented in West Hollywood......the suds just kept coming and coming and coming :shocked2:

[mahmoo]

I have also learned what happens when you put Dawn dish soap in the dishwasher or bubble bath stuff in a jacuzzi. Fun stuff.


roflmao........I just saw your post after I posted about my hubby putting laundry detergent in the dishwasher........must be a "man thang" http://i35.tinypic.com/r7vznq.gif

[momto3kids]

Reminds me of hubby putting clothes detergent in a dishwasher.......we were on vacation......was at a condo we rented in West Hollywood......the suds just kept coming and coming and coming :shocked2:

When my kids were young I could put all 3 in the jaccuzi together..
I used to put a dab of shampoo in the water and turn the jets on for bubbles. One night I ran out to get something and 1 of the kids....god knows which one..poured the bottle of shampoo in. When I returned the bubbles were everywhere and I could barely find them. It literally took me 2 days to get all the stuff washed down.

[Star12]

When my kids were young I could put all 3 in the jaccuzi together..
I used to put a dab of shampoo in the water and turn the jets on for bubbles. One night I ran out to get something and 1 of the kids....god knows which one..poured the bottle of shampoo in. When I returned the bubbles were everywhere and I could barely find them. It literally took me 2 days to get all the stuff washed down.

My SIL called me one time while the girls were playing. They snuck into the bathroom, and 'cleaned' it with an entire bottle of J&J baby shampoo. Verrrrry slippery, lots of bubbles, and took forEVER to get it cleaned up. Floor, walls, fixtures, tub, sink, door, window, all with gorgeous bubbles.

[momto3kids]

[ Case in point: The Young warrants: After reading those, how many potential jurors won't to into a trial with at least a little bit of bias against the husband?? (if he is ultimately arrested) ]

I'm still reading the SWs and am simply stunned. Is Wade Smith still representing him?



I view it as LE/CPD don't have all the tox, DNA, forsensic reports back yet, it's clear that Mr. Cooper is the number one suspect. Charge him, charge someone or they are unsealed in two weeks is the message I'm getting from Stephens.

Still on the fence. Mrs. Cooper passed before 6:15 a.m. or after 7:00 a.m. I think TOD will need to be established without any doubt or minimal error if that is possible.

I'll be game and put a dollar on death before 4am, white sedan used, LTF absolutely sealed BC fate if it is a circumstantial evidence case.

[momto3kids]

My SIL called me one time while the girls were playing. They snuck into the bathroom, and 'cleaned' it with an entire bottle of J&J baby shampoo. Verrrrry slippery, lots of bubbles, and took forEVER to get it cleaned up. Floor, walls, fixtures, tub, sink, door, window, all with gorgeous bubbles.


That would be almost be impossible to cut thru...must have stayed slick for a year. Kids!

Oh...BC...hear all the things you can use if you need cleaning supplies and run out during the night???:woohoo:

[SleuthyGal]

I'll be game and put a dollar on death before 4am, white sedan used, LTF absolutely sealed BC fate if it is a circumstantial evidence case.

LTF more 'damning' than a 4:20am HT visit? Both would be bad; HT in the 4am timeframe would be REALLY bad.

[Skittles]

Wow, quite a party here tonight!

OK, RC, I'll bite: what did you do to the microwave?

[momto3kids]

LTF more 'damning' than a 4:20am HT visit? Both would be bad; HT in the 4am timeframe would be REALLY bad.



Combined they both are going to do him in. They are equal in damning, just LTF was after his HT stunt.

[SleuthyGal]

Combined they both are going to do him in. They are equal in damning, just LTF was after his HT stunt.

I agree. Hard to make both an innocent excursion; just isn't gonna play in Peoria.

[raisincharlie]

[ Case in point: The Young warrants: After reading those, how many potential jurors won't to into a trial with at least a little bit of bias against the husband?? (if he is ultimately arrested) ]

I'm still reading the SWs and am simply stunned. Is Wade Smith still representing him?



I view it as LE/CPD don't have all the tox, DNA, forsensic reports back yet, it's clear that Mr. Cooper is the number one suspect. Charge him, charge someone or they are unsealed in two weeks is the message I'm getting from Stephens.

Still on the fence. Mrs. Cooper passed before 6:15 a.m. or after 7:00 a.m. I think TOD will need to be established without any doubt or minimal error if that is possible.


Voir Dire - takes care of the worry, they will subpeoa 800 people for jury duty and whittle it down to 12 and some alts - Voir Dire eliminates bias and unfit jurors for the most part. Wade Smith never represented Jason Young - little Roger did for a while. Jason hasn't had a lwayer for some time if one believes the family.

In this case - the worst publicity so far has come from the custody case, which Brad zealously took part in with his own affidavits. His choice. If he is arrested for the murder of his wife, it will be infinitely more incriminating in the public eye than any search warrant issued. People do not follow cases that closely unless they are directly affected, too bust with their own lives to worry about crime.

[mahmoo]

Oh...BC...hear all the things you can use if you need cleaning supplies and run out during the night???:woohoo:

Hey Brad.......next time buy http://i37.tinypic.com/vf8l5s.jpg....I hear the enzymes get out blood stains.

[SleuthyGal]

OT: Greta is discussing the Michelle Young case right now.

[raisincharlie]

Wow, quite a party here tonight!

OK, RC, I'll bite: what did you do to the microwave?

Confession nite aye ?

You know that Chinese food you get in those little containers with the tiny little metal handles ? Use your imagination, but that wasn't the only incident...:crazy:

[Star12]

I'll be game and put a dollar on death before 4am, white sedan used, LTF absolutely sealed BC fate if it is a circumstantial evidence case.

If I had a dollar, I'd bet right along with ya.

[momto3kids]

If I had a dollar, I'd bet right along with ya.
After paying $2.79 for a coke I would be broke too. You should have gone and bought (2) 2-liters for the same price...One for you and one for SG.:crazy:

[Skittles]

Confession nite aye ?

You know that Chinese food you get in those little containers with the tiny little metal handles ? Use your imagination, but that wasn't the only incident...:crazy:

Oh, arcing. That's always exciting.

Bye, all. Gotta call it a night before I crash into my keyboard.

[momto3kids]

Hey Brad.......next time buy http://i37.tinypic.com/vf8l5s.jpg....I hear the enzymes get out blood stains.
I bet he wished he had known all this info before hand..:waitasec:
Prison will have him on his hands and knees scrubbing with a tooth brush before too long or doing laundry for a few :twocents: a day.

[SleuthyGal]

Question: do you think NC's murder is a DP-level crime?

[Star12]

After paying $2.79 for a coke I would be broke too. You should have gone and bought (2) 2-liters for the same price...One for you and one for SG.:crazy:

wonder how much a 2L would be there. Probably 1.29.... I mean, we weren't at Disneyland, by any means. Think I'll call the mgr tomorrow and complain.

[sunflowers]

I'll be game and put a dollar on death before 4am, white sedan used, LTF absolutely sealed BC fate if it is a circumstantial evidence case.

i think i missed something w LTF---how will that seal his fate?

[Star12]

Question: do you think NC's murder is a DP-level crime?

Ya know, I don't think so, if the intent to kill was not there. And I don't believe it was.

[EntreNous]

I guess that would depend on whether or not the killer is charged with first or second degree murder. It might too hinge on COD? Not sure on those, just guessing.

[momto3kids]

Ya know, I don't think so, if the intent to kill was not there. And I don't believe it was.

Some people really do believe he had this planned, just not the exact time he would do it. The list NC found, changing his mind for NC not to move right away to Canada, the possibility the vehicle has changed title ownership, the huge bonus that has mentioned.

I just don't know because he would have gone to Regency I really do believe to dump her if he had planned it.

IMO this could be what the DA is looking for..enough to show it was premeditated so he can go for 1st degree and why he is taking his time to charge BC.

[momto3kids]

i think i missed something w LTF---how will that seal his fate?

I think you did...wow it is long to explain. But I'll try..don't think I forgot you just don't want to lose you on this.

[raisincharlie]

Question: do you think NC's murder is a DP-level crime?

Only if the DA can prove premeditation.

[jumpstreet]

Question on the warrants -- those were just the first ones, right? As in BC and attorneys have already seen them so they're mainly being kept from the media/public?[/IMG]

Related question: I wonder if the husband in the Young case (and/or his attorneys) already have previous access to all the information in the Young SW's released today?

If not, (and assuming he may be guilty), do you suppose the release of the warrants helped him, hurt him, or neither?

To me, if the husband didn't already have access to all of this info, the release of today's information only resulted in aiding his (potential future) defense.

Would be nice not to end up in a similar situation 2 weeks from now in the Cooper case.

[momto3kids]

i think i missed something w LTF---how will that seal his fate?

I think RC put is best yesterday and the most simple....

I'll be bold enough to say he was at LTF to get his wife's card swiped to show someone else had to have seen her alive after he said she left the house at 7 am. It was one of those stink days you know?

sunflowers...this is what sealed his fate. The HT trip was bad enough, but this put it over the edge IMO

[SleuthyGal]

"Premeditation" is something that can take place literally a couple seconds before one person kills another. It means the person knows they are about to or are in the process of 'killing' another, and at that very moment, they intend to do it.

Much different than "preplanning" which isn't really a legal concept per se, but can be used to help show premeditation. Like that list he created -- could be inferred to be part of a murder plan.

[momto3kids]

Jess...are you shaking your head again and needing to be picked up? See you come around and a bombshell hits.
That was you the last time wasn't it when I told of JA new condo?

[raisincharlie]

Related question: I wonder if the husband in the Young case (and/or his attorneys) already have previous access to all the information in the Young SW's released today?

If not, (and assuming he may be guilty), do you suppose the release of the warrants helped him, hurt him, or neither?

To me, if the husband didn't already have access to all of this info, the release of today's information only resulted in aiding his (potential future) defense.

Would be nice not to end up in a similar situation 2 weeks from now in the Cooper case.

Jason Young has a copy of all the warrants released today - he has had them since they were executed in February of this year. One was served on his Mother's house and surely she shared it with him since he lives with her. Another was served on his younger sister - no doubt it has also been passed around amongst the family since Jason use to live with her right after the murder. I also know for a fact the warrants were shared with family friends - the little blabber mouth has been exercising his freedom of speech since the begining of this case and still is making excuses for JY.

From following the Young case - the warrants did not hurt him anymore than what was already known IMO - the warrants only revealed more evidence of what happened and how and how much evidence LE does have. The information does not make him more or less guilty looking than before the release of the warrants IMO.

I have a different view on warrants and keeping them secret. I believe it does more harm to seal them than it does to publish them if a suspect is in LE's head. The simple truth - we are setting here talking out our backsides and generating rumor after rumor, in reality. The truth can't hurt any worse can it ? In cases where an investigation could be jeopardized I say seal it , in a case where an informat could be exposed I say seal it.

Right now - if Brad Cooper is not their suspect - he has paid a high price because of secracy. If he is their suspect - he still has paid a high price - what is the difference - truth versus secrets thats all.

[sunflowers]

I think RC put is best yesterday and the most simple....

I'll be bold enough to say he was at LTF to get his wife's card swiped to show someone else had to have seen her alive after he said she left the house at 7 am. It was one of those stink days you know?

sunflowers...this is what sealed his fate. The HT trip was bad enough, but this put it over the edge IMO

was his wife's card swiped at LTF? if it was or if that was his intent, he totally lost his mind & i agree that there's no way that he can wiggle out of the HT or LTF activities. surveillance will show it's him. RC is probably right here. BC NEVER dreamed that JA could initiate calling LE & a search that afternoon. he thought he had a couple of days---and then could prove that she had been at LTF on Sat afternoon, thus, they all had seen her.

thanks for explaining. somehow i missed that part of the discussion....

OT, but you know that BC's mom & JY's family members & family friends remind me of each other. The family members are totally disrespectful toward the wives, incomprehensibly mean & nasty, & remarkably immature in their communication & hostility. No wonder JY & BC appear to be evil & lacking commonality with the human race.

[momto3kids]

Jason Young has a copy of all the warrants released today - he has had them since they were executed in February of this year. One was served on his Mother's house and surely she shared it with him since he lives with her. Another was served on his younger sister - no doubt it has also been passed around amongst the family since Jason use to live with her right after the murder. I also know for a fact the warrants were shared with family friends - the little blabber mouth has been exercising his freedom of speech since the begining of this case and still is making excuses for JY.

From following the Young case - the warrants did not hurt him anymore than what was already known IMO - the warrants only revealed more evidence of what happened and how and how much evidence LE does have. The information does not make him more or less guilty looking than before the release of the warrants IMO.

I have a different view on warrants and keeping them secret. I believe it does more harm to seal them than it does to publish them if a suspect is in LE's head. The simple truth - we are setting here talking out our backsides and generating rumor after rumor, in reality. The truth can't hurt any worse can it ? In cases where an investigation could be jeopardized I say seal it , in a case where an informat could be exposed I say seal it.

Right now - if Brad Cooper is not their suspect - he has paid a high price because of secracy. If he is their suspect - he still has paid a high price - what is the difference - truth versus secrets thats all.

Thanks RC....that was a great explaination and easy to understand. Are you sure you don't have a wall of 'law books' lined up on a wall behind you.:)

[raisincharlie]

Thanks RC....that was a great explaination and easy to understand. Are you sure you don't have a wall of 'law books' lined up on a wall behind you.:)

What else is a Bubba the serial killer presiding on death row to do for 23 hours a day other than read in an attempt to circumvent the justice system while trying to save their sorry butttttt :crazy:

[momto3kids]

was his wife's card swiped at LTF? if it was or if that was his intent, he totally lost his mind & i agree that there's no way that he can wiggle out of the HT or LTF activities. surveillance will show it's him. RC is probably right here. BC NEVER dreamed that JA could initiate calling LE & a search that afternoon. he thought he had a couple of days---and then could prove that she had been at LTF on Sat afternoon, thus, they all had seen her.

thanks for explaining. somehow i missed that part of the discussion....

OT, but you know that BC's mom & JY's family members & family friends remind me of each other. The family members are totally disrespectful toward the wives, incomprehensibly mean & nasty, & remarkably immature in their communication & hostility. No wonder JY & BC appear to be evil & lacking commonality with the human race.

SF...I asked, but not answered. I understand he asked for it to be done and with some the song & dance why he needed it done. I really didn't need to hear anymore since I already had the details on HT. I was up all night vomitxxx, I was so sick over it.

The affidavits..if you read them again you will see he never told JA the time NC left to go jogging. When JA called BC approx @ 11, he told her NC was jogging and was about an hour late coming in. He tried to setup an alibi on Saturday, and 1pm wouldn't be out of of a reasonable time frame if it had worked.

IMO the snag BC had was the LE was waiting for him when he got home. Where was NC LTF card?

This is why I believe BC is guilty, as guilty gets!

[Star12]

SF...I asked, but not answered. He did ask for it to be done and the song & dance he did trying to get it done. I really didn't need to hear anymore since I already had the details on HT. I was up all night vomitxxx, I was so sick over it.

The affidavits..if you read them again you will see he never told JA the time NC left to go jogging. When JA called BC approx @ 11, he told her NC was running about an hour late. He tried to setup an alibi desperately on Saturday, and 1pm wouldn't be out of of a reasonable time frame.

IMO the snag BC had was the LE was waiting for him when he got home. Where was NC LTF card?

Now everyone on WS will know why I believe BC is guilty as guilty gets!

I hope his Mama reads this and turns around and slaps the sn*t out of him and then heads back to Canada.

[SleuthyGal]

His actions at LTF, if as exactly as described in Mom's posts, are strange enough and can be verified by a witness---the desk clerk who was the one he spoke to. If he did try to get the wife's card swiped and did do some song 'n dance, then surely this will have stood out in the front desk clerk's mind cause it's not an everyday occurrence. Combine that with any video taken of the front desk area when he went in...plus any other witnesses there who may have seen him (but of course did not see Nancy as she was never there that day). It's right up there with something Scott Peterson would do, thinking he was being clever, and only backfired on him.

I believe this LTF maneuver will likely be seen the same way: super hinky!

[momto3kids]

I hope his Mama reads this and turns around and slaps the sn*t out of him and then heads back to Canada.

Star...she needs to have it slapped out of her too, for the way she treated NC.
To see the mailbox bow gone really has upset me, as well as wondering who did it. There is no remorse for NC at all with the Coopers, IMO.

Where is the obituary? BC didn't have to attend anything public to do place that in the paper.

I realized how cold hearted BC really was when he stated he told Bella just before the service about NC. A parent is suppose to be there in time of need for their children, support them and help them thru a trying time.

His day is coming and I will have the rice ready.

[SleuthyGal]

What else is a Bubba the serial killer presiding on death row to do for 23 hours a day other than read in an attempt to circumvent the justice system while trying to save their sorry butttttt :crazy:

And now we know what you DID to end up as "Bubba on death row"--an INNOCENT microwave was the victim of attempted murder and a chinese food container was bludgeoned and electocuted! :behindbar

[Star12]

LE, I hope you are reading all of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

I'm feeling sorry for BC right now. Not the poor "lil feller" kind, but the pitying, pathetic human being kind. How incredibly, loathsomely, low. Makes me wanna rinse out my eyes, from what I have read.

[momto3kids]

And now we know what you DID to end up as "Bubba on death row"--an INNOCENT microwave was the victim of attempted murder and a chinese food container was bludgeoned and electocuted! :behindbar


Now you can come up with some hilarious statements...I needed that!

Are your white flowers for NC?

I found this bear who is patiently waiting on justice for NC. I felt she must like bears since she wanted a painting of a bear in the seperation agreement.

[SleuthyGal]

Glad to brighten things just a bit around here...you've probably noticed I can get a little punchy/silly/sarcastic from time-to-time. That in no way should ever be construed for not feeling horrible about NC's murder nor wanting justice!

Regarding the flowers avatar: actually I've been using that avatar before the NC case (elsewhere, not just on WS). But if it works as a show of support for NC and her family then I'm happy for it to do double-duty!

[momto3kids]

NCNative...we voted for you to cut down the dead leland cypress behind BC fence. I have a chainsaw and SG requested one. You can borrow it if you like. :)

[ncnative]

Mom, I'm about to doze off to sleep.

That dead leyland cypress is behind someone else's fence, isn't it? All of Brad's died already and are cut out. I'll cut the neighbor's dead one after you put the big white bow on a stake on the public part of the grass behind his fence.

Well, I won't really cut it down. But I can send one of the beavers from back here in our creek. They do a nice job. I'll just cage one and let him out back of Brad's fence.

Tomorrow may bring excitement over either the Cooper or the Young case. I'm getting tired of talking about it. I want action!

[maconrich]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/18/gps.tracking/index.html?eref=ib_technology#cnnSTCText

article describing the little device that was talked about on here some time ago...

[jumpstreet]

Jason Young has a copy of all the warrants released today - he has had them since they were executed in February of this year. One was served on his Mother's house and surely she shared it with him since he lives with her. Another was served on his younger sister - no doubt it has also been passed around amongst the family since Jason use to live with her right after the murder. I also know for a fact the warrants were shared with family friends - the little blabber mouth has been exercising his freedom of speech since the begining of this case and still is making excuses for JY.

From following the Young case - the warrants did not hurt him anymore than what was already known IMO - the warrants only revealed more evidence of what happened and how and how much evidence LE does have. The information does not make him more or less guilty looking than before the release of the warrants IMO.

I have a different view on warrants and keeping them secret. I believe it does more harm to seal them than it does to publish them if a suspect is in LE's head. The simple truth - we are setting here talking out our backsides and generating rumor after rumor, in reality. The truth can't hurt any worse can it ? In cases where an investigation could be jeopardized I say seal it , in a case where an informat could be exposed I say seal it.

Right now - if Brad Cooper is not their suspect - he has paid a high price because of secracy. If he is their suspect - he still has paid a high price - what is the difference - truth versus secrets thats all.

Thanks RC - makes sense.

[carolinalady]

SF...I asked, but not answered. He did ask for it to be done and the song & dance he did trying to get it done. I really didn't need to hear anymore since I already had the details on HT. I was up all night vomitxxx, I was so sick over it.

The affidavits..if you read them again you will see he never told JA the time NC left to go jogging. When JA called BC approx @ 11, he told her NC was jogging and was about an hour late coming in. He tried to setup an alibi on Saturday, and 1pm wouldn't be out of of a reasonable time frame if it had worked.

IMO the snag BC had was the LE was waiting for him when he got home. Where was NC LTF card?

This is why I believe BC is guilty, as guilty gets!

MT3K, someone at LTF told you he asked to have her card swiped?

[carolinalady]

Sorry - I think the hearing today was only for the warrant on the residence served on 7/16

Cisco was 7/21 and the undisclosed was 7/25 so they will be coming due in a few days. Probaly the same result - will be re-sealed, maybe only for 2 weeks like the residence warrant.

The WRAL article (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3396174/) says all three are sealed until 9/2. Do you think that's a typo?

[sunflowers]

SF...I asked, but not answered. He did ask for it to be done and the song & dance he did trying to get it done. I really didn't need to hear anymore since I already had the details on HT. I was up all night vomitxxx, I was so sick over it.

The affidavits..if you read them again you will see he never told JA the time NC left to go jogging. When JA called BC approx @ 11, he told her NC was jogging and was about an hour late coming in. He tried to setup an alibi on Saturday, and 1pm wouldn't be out of of a reasonable time frame if it had worked.

IMO the snag BC had was the LE was waiting for him when he got home. Where was NC LTF card?

This is why I believe BC is guilty, as guilty gets!

HT was enough for me, actually, because 4:20 a.m. is over-the-top ludicrous for somebody who NEVER shops to go & buy 1 item that so conveniently would relate to cleaning up after murdering somebody who happens to disappear around the same time frame.

But, his LTF behavior is completely unbelievably arrogant & stupid, & convincing to any jury, i would think. While he's out "looking for his wife", he's also pretending to be her so there'll be a record of her being at the gym. Not so good to be doing both activities in tandem---pretending to be her while at the same time looking for her.

and later that afternoon, LTF becomes a hub for the search parties for Nancy.

anybody know if they had a family membership? if so, he could have used his card. OR, instead of trying to get in with Nancy's card, if he was on the up & up like his defense will suggest, he would simply tell them that Nancy didn't return home from running & do they have record of her being there.

it was a clever idea if it had worked, but it so totally backfired & is all recorded on their surveillance video, right?

hopefully LE will have enough to arrest & convict

[sunflowers]

Star...she needs to have it slapped out of her too, for the way she treated NC.
To see the mailbox bow gone really has upset me, as well as wondering who did it. There is no remorse for NC at all with the Coopers, IMO.

Where is the obituary? BC didn't have to attend anything public to do place that in the paper.

I realized how cold hearted BC really was when he stated he told Bella just before the service about NC. A parent is suppose to be there in time of need for their children, support them and help them thru a trying time.

His day is coming and I will have the rice ready.

unfortunately, it's becoming clear that both JY & BC's cold-hearted, evil, sociopath-like (devoid of ANY feelings) behavior are themes & patterns in their family systems, and perfectly acceptable. If anything, they are supported & encouraged in their behavior. BC's mother clearly "modeled" that completely disrespectful, hateful, evil behavior toward Nancy when she was in town, & encouraged BC by her example. Their familes share part of the guilt & blame for encouraging their brother or son's over-the-top hatred of their wives.

[sunflowers]

His actions at LTF, if as exactly as described in Mom's posts, are strange enough and can be verified by a witness---the desk clerk who was the one he spoke to. If he did try to get the wife's card swiped and did do some song 'n dance, then surely this will have stood out in the front desk clerk's mind cause it's not an everyday occurrence. Combine that with any video taken of the front desk area when he went in...plus any other witnesses there who may have seen him (but of course did not see Nancy as she was never there that day). It's right up there with something Scott Peterson would do, thinking he was being clever, and only backfired on him.

I believe this LTF maneuver will likely be seen the same way: super hinky!

since the search party was headquartered at first at LTF & I believe organized that Sat afternoon (is that right? or was it Sunday?), the desk clerk--regardless of which day they started searching--will definitely remember his trying to swipe her card & his song & dance.

[raisincharlie]

The WRAL article (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3396174/) says all three are sealed until 9/2. Do you think that's a typo?


Its hard to tell actually. If you refer back to the Judge's order to extend the seal to the 18th, it references only the warrant of 16 July. The motion to extend filed by the DA also only refers to the 16 July warrant.

Typo - the media doesn't do that do they ? I dunno, I suppose the judge just said instead of a bunch of hearings on each of these, lets just do it this way - all of them will be sealed until 2 Sept, if for no other reason than to put all of them on the same timeframe. So - no telling since we have yet to see a written decision from the judge. Will see if anyone has published that this am.

In other words - no clue here.

[carolinalady]

Its hard to tell actually. If you refer back to the Judge's order to extend the seal to the 18th, it references only the warrant of 16 July. The motion to extend filed by the DA also only refers to the 16 July warrant.

Typo - the media doesn't do that do they ? I dunno, I suppose the judge just said instead of a bunch of hearings on each of these, lets just do it this way - all of them will be sealed until 2 Sept, if for no other reason than to put all of them on the same timeframe. So - no telling since we have yet to see a written decision from the judge. Will see if anyone has published that this am.

In other words - no clue here.

The document filed by the ADA shows all three warrants (it's a total of 6 pages). It has SWs issued 7/16, 7/21, and 7/25.

[raisincharlie]

The document filed by the ADA shows all three warrants (it's a total of 6 pages). It has SWs issued 7/16, 7/21, and 7/25.

Then one could assume it is not a typo - right ? Fun & games

Seems to me the DA placed a limit on themselves then by doing so. No Whine

[ncnative]

Is it on record that BC actually DID swipe a card at LTF? That's the question here.

Now, I've looked at the moms and their behaviors (reported and seen), of Scott Peterson, Jason Young and Brad Cooper. They all should form a club.

Scott P. had his mom's Mercedes, his mom scoffed Laci's lifestyle, and boy did the mom parade around the courthouse in that oxygen paraphenalia. I wonder, do you think she went home every day and threw the tubes down, crashed on the sofa and smoke a cigarette? It seemed like a pity mongering thing for her. His dad was sure SP was going to become the big golf pro.

JY's mamma has harbored her "sweet" son, probably told him what to do and thinks nothing of the murder of her daughter-in-law. They all look and act like hillbillies protecting their likker still and family secrets up thar in the hills.

Brad Cooper's mom has been detailed by Nancy Cooper to Nancy's friends before she was murdered. She even says that Brad agreed not to allow his mom back in the house. You'd think she and Brad's family could've shown up at one of the services for Nancy.

I'm one, after all is said and done, who would love to read a book written by someone who researches all the psychology behind the families of killers. What kind of upbringing did the killer have, behind closed doors? Family dynamics? All that stuff. 'Cause folks, when you are raising your children, they are little sponges soaking up every little sound, word and experience. It all affects their little psyches. Add genetics to the bunch, and hope for the best.

Again, is there proof that BC actually DID swipe the card at LTF? Or is this just another "what if" scenario?

[raisincharlie]

Is it on record that BC actually DID swipe a card at LTF? That's the question here.

Now, I've looked at the moms and their behaviors (reported and seen), of Scott Peterson, Jason Young and Brad Cooper. They all should form a club.

Scott P. had his mom's Mercedes, his mom scoffed Laci's lifestyle, and boy did the mom parade around the courthouse in that oxygen paraphenalia. I wonder, do you think she went home every day and threw the tubes down, crashed on the sofa and smoke a cigarette? It seemed like a pity mongering thing for her. His dad was sure SP was going to become the big golf pro.

JY's mamma has harbored her "sweet" son, probably told him what to do and thinks nothing of the murder of her daughter-in-law. They all look and act like hillbillies protecting their likker still and family secrets up thar in the hills.

Brad Cooper's mom has been detailed by Nancy Cooper to Nancy's friends before she was murdered. She even says that Brad agreed not to allow his mom back in the house. You'd think she and Brad's family could've shown up at one of the services for Nancy.

I'm one, after all is said and done, who would love to read a book written by someone who researches all the psychology behind the families of killers. What kind of upbringing did the killer have, behind closed doors? Family dynamics? All that stuff. 'Cause folks, when you are raising your children, they are little sponges soaking up every little sound, word and experience. It all affects their little psyches. Add genetics to the bunch, and hope for the best.

Again, is there proof that BC actually DID swipe the card at LTF? Or is this just another "what if" scenario?

By record - if you mean LE saying so - no the LTF issue is not on record that we are aware of since everything is sealed and Chief Bazemore never said anything about it. No reference from the DA - so no, not on record.

Mother's Murder Club ? MMC

Scott P purchased that used Mercedes just prior to being arrested, however it is true he told the person he bought it from that his name was Jackie Peterson.

[carolinalady]

Then one could assume it is not a typo - right ? Fun & games

Seems to me the DA placed a limit on themselves then by doing so. No Whine

You were right about Stephens order on Friday only addressing the 7/16 warrant. But the ADA went ahead and asked for all 3. Didn't buy them much extra time on the 7/25 warrant.

I guess maybe we'll get to see the written order to extend the seal today.

[raisincharlie]

You were right about Stephens order on Friday only addressing the 7/16 warrant. But the ADA went ahead and asked for all 3. Didn't buy them much extra time on the 7/25 warrant.

I guess maybe we'll get to see the written order to extend the seal today.


Not much time for the DA to figure how this case is unusual or different, extrordinary or anything else.

[momto3kids]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/18/gps.tracking/index.html?eref=ib_technology#cnnSTCText

article describing the little device that was talked about on here some time ago...

Yes, this is what I was asking about, thanks for finding it.
I can't remember what someone who responded said, but I wonder if BC has the right to know if one is put on his vehicle if he is not named a POI or suspect?

If BC has one, the LE had some tracking to follow last night.

[EntreNous]

MT3K, did you say you heard from someone that Brad tried to have Nancy's card swiped at LTF?

[carolinalady]

I am still so baffled about the plate on the SUV not showing a hit on the tax database. If ownership was transferred to another party (via lease or something else) a new plate normally would be issued. If the car was still in his name, it should show via that search. I'm not sure how the DMV system works as far as showing history of license plate replacement. I certainly don't see any notes on my own personal records when I do a search of my old license plate #. Nor do I see anything indicating my old plate # on my new registration.

I guess unless we knew the VIN #(MT3K, don't you want to sneak up there and get that? :crazy:) we aren't going to know much about the "mystery plate."

[EntreNous]

I am still so baffled about the plate on the SUV not showing a hit on the tax database. If ownership was transferred to another party (via lease or something else) a new plate normally would be issued. If the car was still in his name, it should show via that search. I'm not sure how the DMV system works as far as showing history of license plate replacement. I certainly don't see any notes on my own personal records when I do a search of my old license plate #. Nor do I see anything indicating my old plate # on my new registration.

I guess unless we knew the VIN #(MT3K, don't you want to sneak up there and get that? :crazy:) we aren't going to know much about the "mystery plate."

I'm surprised he doesn't have the X5 up for sale already. Anyone checked Craigslist for any hinky sales ads?

[momto3kids]

MT3K, did you say you heard from someone that Brad tried to have Nancy's card swiped at LTF?
I did.

[EntreNous]

I did.

:eek:

[EntreNous]

Holy nutcracker!!! I'm picking my jaw up off the floor now!

Would you say this is a reliable source?

[momto3kids]

I am still so baffled about the plate on the SUV not showing a hit on the tax database. If ownership was transferred to another party (via lease or something else) a new plate normally would be issued. If the car was still in his name, it should show via that search. I'm not sure how the DMV system works as far as showing history of license plate replacement. I certainly don't see any notes on my own personal records when I do a search of my old license plate #. Nor do I see anything indicating my old plate # on my new registration.

I guess unless we knew the VIN #(MT3K, don't you want to sneak up there and get that? :crazy:) we aren't going to know much about the "mystery plate."

LOL, I'd get charged for breaking and entering..the SUV must be in the garage since it is never outside since the SW.

(note to self):deal:
1-put a large white bow on fence behind BC house
2-check VIN # on SUV
3-NCNatve to cut dead leland cypress

[momto3kids]

Holy nutcracker!!! I'm picking my jaw up off the floor now!

Would you say this is a reliable source?

EN....

Yes....reliable. I tried in many different ways to come out and say it, without being direct, but some people put it together so I admitted it when asked.

I knew the HT incident occured, maybe a tad embellished or somethings not quite right such as the item or time, etc....but I put it out there because I felt sure something had occured and I was darn close it was to what I was told. It was within 24hrs of NC missing and there was not enough time to have this circulate in public as well as she was considering missing at the time. Many didn't even know she was missing when I found out, including myself.

LTF was one thing that NEVER felt right to me.....The purse is the other.

If you did not see our discussion on Sunday morning (I think Sun) it is worth reading. Some explain the LTF system.

[EntreNous]

EN....

Yes....reliable. I tried in many different ways to come out and say it, without being direct, but some people put it together so I admitted it when asked.

I knew the HT incident occured, maybe a tad embellished or somethings not quite right such as the item or time, etc....but I put it out there because I felt sure something had occured and I was darn close it was to what I was told. It was within 24hrs of NC missing and there was not enough time to have this circulate in public as well as she was considering missing at the time. Many didn't even know she was missing when I found out, including myself.

LTF was one thing that NEVER felt right to me.....The purse is the other.

If you did not see our discussion on Sunday morning (I think Sun) it is worth reading. Some explain the LTF system.
I did see a big portion of the discussion on Sunday but I guess I didn't read closely enough. I thought you guys were just batting around the possiblities. I kept wondering why since I didn't think there had been any word from a reliable source.

Guess I need to look more closely next time.

Thanks for clearing that up, btw.

Wow, just WOW!

I thought HT was pretty damning but this just adds to his hinky, ahem "allegedly" hinky behavior.

And yes, I've always thought her purse being in her car was weird from the getgo. When my daughter first started driving she'd leave her purse in the car. I had to sit her down and explain why that's a very bad idea. She was 16 so I took that behavior as a kid who just didn't realize but I just don't see an adult doing something like that.

Especially after the comments about keeping the girl's pictures off the internet for safety reasons. It seems odd that NC would be so safe about one thing and totally unsafe about another. I'd think you're either safety minded or you're not.

[momto3kids]

I did see a big portion of the discussion on Sunday but I guess I didn't read closely enough. I thought you guys were just batting around the possiblities. I kept wondering why since I didn't think there had been any word from a reliable source.

Guess I need to look more closely next time.

Thanks for clearing that up, btw.

Wow, just WOW!

I thought HT was pretty damning but this just adds to his hinky, ahem "allegedly" hinky behavior.

And yes, I've always thought her purse being in her car was weird from the getgo. When my daughter first started driving she'd leave her purse in the car. I had to sit her down and explain why that's a very bad idea. She was 16 so I took that behavior as a kid who just didn't realize but I just don't see an adult doing something like that.

Especially after the comments about keeping the girl's pictures off the internet for safety reasons. It seems odd that NC would be so safe about one thing and totally unsafe about another. I'd think you're either safety minded or you're not.

The purse was my 1st red flag even before I heard about LTF. Many have said why they think it wasn't, but I don't believe any reason except BC put it there. Also said was JA states in her 911 call the phone is there too, meaning the SUV. JA would have NO idea it was in the house..BC wasn't there to let her in.

If NC had the cell phone with her at DD home the night before why would she just happen to toss it in her SUV when it has been stated she slept with it?

IMO...BC went thru the purse for something to help him with an alibi, LTF fit the bill for him, he removed NC ID card, put the purse in the SUV. I really think he intended to have her last seen at LTF, put her SUV there sometime later that day, and either jog home (while the girls napped) or have someone pick him & the girls up us stating NC wanted to stay longer @LTF.

The only problem is he didn't have the 24 hrs he thought he did, he had 2!

[wirehair]

Someone posted that they had a friend that went to CPD to apply for their PI license. Maybe they will contact that friend who can get the plate number off one of the photos and get the owner of record.

[EntreNous]

The purse was my 1st red flag even before I heard about LTF. Many have said why they think it wasn't, but I don't believe any reason except BC put it there. Also said was JA states in her 911 call the phone is there too, meaning the SUV. JA would have NO idea it was in the house..BC wasn't there to let her in.

If NC had the cell phone with her at DD home the night before why would she just happen to toss it in her SUV when it has been stated she slept with it?

IMO...BC went thru the purse for something to help him with an alibi, LTF fit the bill for him, he removed NC ID card, put the purse in the SUV. I really think he intended to have her last seen at LTF, put her SUV there sometime later that day, and either jog home (while the girls napped) or have someone pick him & the girls up us stating NC wanted to stay longer @LTF.

The only problem is he didn't have the 24 hrs he thought he did, he had 2!

He either put it there or NC put it there sometime in the night in an effort to leave, which she never got to do. I could see her putting the purse in the SUV and then trying to go back into the house to try and get the girls.

[sunflowers]

Is it on record that BC actually DID swipe a card at LTF? That's the question here.

Now, I've looked at the moms and their behaviors (reported and seen), of Scott Peterson, Jason Young and Brad Cooper. They all should form a club.

Scott P. had his mom's Mercedes, his mom scoffed Laci's lifestyle, and boy did the mom parade around the courthouse in that oxygen paraphenalia. I wonder, do you think she went home every day and threw the tubes down, crashed on the sofa and smoke a cigarette? It seemed like a pity mongering thing for her. His dad was sure SP was going to become the big golf pro.

JY's mamma has harbored her "sweet" son, probably told him what to do and thinks nothing of the murder of her daughter-in-law. They all look and act like hillbillies protecting their likker still and family secrets up thar in the hills.

Brad Cooper's mom has been detailed by Nancy Cooper to Nancy's friends before she was murdered. She even says that Brad agreed not to allow his mom back in the house. You'd think she and Brad's family could've shown up at one of the services for Nancy.

I'm one, after all is said and done, who would love to read a book written by someone who researches all the psychology behind the families of killers. What kind of upbringing did the killer have, behind closed doors? Family dynamics? All that stuff. 'Cause folks, when you are raising your children, they are little sponges soaking up every little sound, word and experience. It all affects their little psyches. Add genetics to the bunch, and hope for the best.

Again, is there proof that BC actually DID swipe the card at LTF? Or is this just another "what if" scenario?

such a book would be interesting. I thought for a minute, "Cool Idea" but then realized that to do such a book, one would have to spend an inordinate amount of time around evil people & all of that negative energy would be depressing & death-dealing, to say the least

[sunflowers]

LOL, I'd get charged for breaking and entering..the SUV must be in the garage since it is never outside since the SW.

(note to self):deal:
1-put a large white bow on fence behind BC house
2-check VIN # on SUV
3-NCNatve to cut dead leland cypress

(note to self) continued for M23K:
4-Take bail money when going to BC's house
5-Retain lawyer before going to BC's house

:):)

[sunflowers]

Someone posted that they had a friend that went to CPD to apply for their PI license. Maybe they will contact that friend who can get the plate number off one of the photos and get the owner of record.

great idea.

this would save M3K having to retain an attorney, get bail money, & go through the whole hassle of being arrested. :)

[EntreNous]

great idea.

this would save M3K having to retain an attorney, get bail money, & go through the whole hassle of being arrested. :)

Nah, she just needs Harry Potter's invisibility cloak. :D

[sunflowers]

The purse was my 1st red flag even before I heard about LTF. Many have said why they think it wasn't, but I don't believe any reason except BC put it there. Also said was JA states in her 911 call the phone is there too, meaning the SUV. JA would have NO idea it was in the house..BC wasn't there to let her in.

If NC had the cell phone with her at DD home the night before why would she just happen to toss it in her SUV when it has been stated she slept with it?

IMO...BC went thru the purse for something to help him with an alibi, LTF fit the bill for him, he removed NC ID card, put the purse in the SUV. I really think he intended to have her last seen at LTF, put her SUV there sometime later that day, and either jog home (while the girls napped) or have someone pick him & the girls up us stating NC wanted to stay longer @LTF.

The only problem is he didn't have the 24 hrs he thought he did, he had 2!

if it wasn't for nancy's dear friend JA, he might have gotten away with all of this.

[sunflowers]

Nah, she just needs Harry Potter's invisibility cloak. :D

even better. and maybe we all could get one while we're at it, plus some of those handy little house elves!!!:)

[Roy23]

if it wasn't for nancy's dear friend JA, he might have gotten away with all of this.



Very interesting. Maybe he is not as smart as I think he is.

[sunflowers]

I am still so baffled about the plate on the SUV not showing a hit on the tax database. If ownership was transferred to another party (via lease or something else) a new plate normally would be issued. If the car was still in his name, it should show via that search. I'm not sure how the DMV system works as far as showing history of license plate replacement. I certainly don't see any notes on my own personal records when I do a search of my old license plate #. Nor do I see anything indicating my old plate # on my new registration.

I guess unless we knew the VIN #(MT3K, don't you want to sneak up there and get that? :crazy:) we aren't going to know much about the "mystery plate."

this is extremely strange. from my perspective, it might be important because even though BC's behavior seems too crazy to be pre-meditated, I'd be way curious about the ownership of that car. It can be subpeoned OR maybe JA knew. if i were guessing, i think nancy probably assumed it was still in their name....and therefore none of her close friends knew either

other topic, what's the deal with BC & his pal Heider? Any chance his affair was a menage-a-twas? that's probably a little too "out there" but there is some of that going around..... otherwise, why be good friends w the guy your wife had one of her affairs with?

[sunflowers]

Very interesting. Maybe he is not as smart as I think he is.

he seems amazingly calculated & clever in figuring out *SOME* of what he did (this would not include his 4:20 HT trip & his attempt to have Nancy's card swiped at LTF).

but, what on earth was he thinking when he answered the phone when Jessica called? I guess he figured if he didn't answer, she would come over & he absolutely didn't want her at the house.

which makes me think something happened at the house AND he had some important errands to run while "looking" for her.....

[EntreNous]

this is extremely strange. from my perspective, it might be important because even though BC's behavior seems too crazy to be pre-meditated, I'd be way curious about the ownership of that car. It can be subpeoned OR maybe JA knew. if i were guessing, i think nancy probably assumed it was still in their name....and therefore none of her close friends knew either

other topic, what's the deal with BC & his pal Heider? Any chance his affair was a menage-a-twas? that's probably a little too "out there" but there is some of that going around..... otherwise, why be good friends w the guy your wife had one of her affairs with?

SH's relationship with Brad seriously bothers me. I can't figure that one out to save my life.:crazy:

[sunflowers]

I did see a big portion of the discussion on Sunday but I guess I didn't read closely enough. I thought you guys were just batting around the possiblities. I kept wondering why since I didn't think there had been any word from a reliable source.

Guess I need to look more closely next time.

Thanks for clearing that up, btw.

Wow, just WOW!

I thought HT was pretty damning but this just adds to his hinky, ahem "allegedly" hinky behavior.

And yes, I've always thought her purse being in her car was weird from the getgo. When my daughter first started driving she'd leave her purse in the car. I had to sit her down and explain why that's a very bad idea. She was 16 so I took that behavior as a kid who just didn't realize but I just don't see an adult doing something like that.

Especially after the comments about keeping the girl's pictures off the internet for safety reasons. It seems odd that NC would be so safe about one thing and totally unsafe about another. I'd think you're either safety minded or you're not.

and people in nancy's neighborhood knew that somebody was breaking into cars at night---targetting cars w purses & GPS systems, & ignoring cars when there wasn't anything obvious in them. WIth those car prowlers/burglars being known about in her neighborhood, there is NO WAY she would have left her purse in the car.

plus, she had her cell phone with her friday night & certainly wouldn't have stopped & put it in the car before she went inside the house.

it's possible she put it in there & went back to get the girls, but knowing Nancy, she would have called JA to tell her she was on her way over AND kept her cell phone in her pocket while bringing the cars out.

So, i think brad put her purse in the car. with her cell phone. setting the stage. IMHO

[sunflowers]

SH's relationship with Brad seriously bothers me. I can't figure that one out to save my life.:crazy:

it seems "hinky" to me. and scott had no need to be hostile about nancy in his comments. i don't even believe nancy would have said they had an olympic size pool with diving boards if it was just a kiddie pool. so, i actually think that for some reason---maybe alligning w his buddy--scott embellished making nancy look bad when there was no reason to even discuss nancy. seems strange.

they do have the ironman bond thing. both are extremely obsessed about fitness, running, etc.

i half wonder if scott on some level encouraged brad & his wife to sleep together OR if the 3 of them slept together OR ??? otherwise, there's something way strange about this

[EntreNous]

he seems amazingly calculated & clever in figuring out *SOME* of what he did (this would not include his 4:20 HT trip & his attempt to have Nancy's card swiped at LTF).

but, what on earth was he thinking when he answered the phone when Jessica called? I guess he figured if he didn't answer, she would come over & he absolutely didn't want her at the house.

which makes me think something happened at the house AND he had some important errands to run while "looking" for her.....

Right, because wasn't it stated that he never answered the phone at home? I'm sure they probably had caller ID and he could see it was JA calling. He probably did answer it to keep her from coming over.

I wanted to comment on something else that I thought was weird. Did anybody notice in the news film clip yesterday that they showed a snip from when Nancy was still considered a missing person? It showed someone opening the door at the Cooper house, (I'm assuming it was Brad), to a man asking if BC had been out searching for Nancy. You can hear the audio of the man saying, "yes". Then the man asks him where. Does BC not sound defensive when he replies to the man???

If I had a missing spouse and someone was knocking on my door I'd see them as my salvation, ya know? Someone who was trying to bring my loved one back to me.

I just thought it was odd.

[EntreNous]

Great, and now I can't find the video. I swear I saw that.

[raisincharlie]

Yes, this is what I was asking about, thanks for finding it.
I can't remember what someone who responded said, but I wonder if BC has the right to know if one is put on his vehicle if he is not named a POI or suspect?

If BC has one, the LE had some tracking to follow last night.

Mom, as to GPS, this was discussed some time ago. LE does NOT need a warrant to place a GPS unit on any vehicle. The only warrant needed would be a warrant to actually monitor the vehicle while it is on private property. In other words, as long as the vehicle is on a public thoroughfare it can be legally monitored.


Somewhere i even posted the Supreme Court ruling on this issue - will go get it again so all can see the above is not smoke.


ETA

In United States v. Knotts the Supreme Court considered in 1983 whether a court order is necessary for the installation and monitoring of a bird dog tracking device in a public location. In Knotts law enforcement agents placed the tracking device inside a container of chloroform that they tracked to a methamphetamine lab. The Court ruled that the installation and monitoring of the device in a public place was not a violation of the defendant's rights, because "nothing in the Fourth Amendment prohibited the police from augmenting the sensory faculties bestowed upon them at birth with such enhancement as science and technology afforded them in this case." After Knotts it was clear that law enforcement officers do not need a court order to install or monitor that type of tracking device on a suspect's vehicle as long as it is located in a public place.
But Knotts left open the question of whether the same investigators could lawfully monitor the same device if the vehicle on which it had been installed left the public roadway and entered into private property. The Court addressed that question the following year in United States v. Karo. In that case, Drug Enforcement Administration agents obtained a court order for the installation and monitoring of a bird dog tracking device in a 50-gallon drum of ether that they tracked to a residence where they found a cocaine lab. On appeal the defendant claimed that the initial court order was invalid and that the evidence seized inside the residence was the fruit of the illegal monitoring of the device. The Supreme Court ruled that the government did not need a warrant to install and monitor the device initially, but it did need a warrant to continue to monitor the device after it entered a private residence. The Court reasoned that the "indiscriminate monitoring of property that has been withdrawn from public view would present far too serious a threat to privacy interests in the home to escape entirely some sort of Fourth Amendment oversight."

[raisincharlie]

Very interesting. Maybe he is not as smart as I think he is.


He's not.

[RaleighNC]

He's not.

They never are, are they?

I mean if LE can go back to the loyalty program at DSW shoes to search for purchases that match the shoe tread that matches the blood print from the Young murder - bottom line is that you have many more smart minds trying to SOLVE the case than you do that actually carry out the murder.

[raisincharlie]

They never are, are they?

I mean if LE can go back to the loyalty program at DSW shoes to search for purchases that match the shoe tread that matches the blood print from the Young murder - bottom line is that you have many more smart minds trying to SOLVE the case than you do that actually carry out the murder.

This is very true. LE has seen more nightmares and idjit stuff than we could ever imagine. Very tough to outsmart the good LEOs with lots of experience.

[Star12]

it seems "hinky" to me. and scott had no need to be hostile about nancy in his comments. i don't even believe nancy would have said they had an olympic size pool with diving boards if it was just a kiddie pool. so, i actually think that for some reason---maybe alligning w his buddy--scott embellished making nancy look bad when there was no reason to even discuss nancy. seems strange.

they do have the ironman bond thing. both are extremely obsessed about fitness, running, etc.

i half wonder if scott on some level encouraged brad & his wife to sleep together OR if the 3 of them slept together OR ??? otherwise, there's something way strange about this

ya know, IMO Nancy may have been disappointed in the pool, and was being sarcastic when she said that about the swimming pool, and he just didn't "get" it.

[Jess]

It has been bothering me for sometime about Nancy's so called embellishments.

We have all come into contact with people who 'embellish' through work, socializing etc. They are the people that we avoid at all costs, that we roll our eyes as they start another tale and mutter,'here we go again' when we are stuck in a conversation with them.

Nancy seems to have had so many close friends with whom she spent a lot of time. I cannot believe that they would have remained friends for long, nor would they have stood up for her if they felt she was continually lying or exaggerating.

To her friends, she was full of life, fun and caring. NOT a liar !

JMO

[Star12]

It has been bothering me for sometime about Nancy's so called embellishments.

We have all come into contact with people who 'embellish' through work, socializing etc. They are the people that we avoid at all costs, that we roll our eyes as they start another tale and mutter,'here we go again' when we are stuck in a conversation with them.

Nancy seems to have had so many close friends with whom she spent a lot of time. I cannot believe that they would have remained friends for long, nor would they have stood up for her if they felt she was continually lying or exaggerating.

To her friends, she was full of life, fun and caring. NOT a liar !

JMO

Exactly.

[raisincharlie]

It has been bothering me for sometime about Nancy's so called embellishments.

We have all come into contact with people who 'embellish' through work, socializing etc. They are the people that we avoid at all costs, that we roll our eyes as they start another tale and mutter,'here we go again' when we are stuck in a conversation with them.

Nancy seems to have had so many close friends with whom she spent a lot of time. I cannot believe that they would have remained friends for long, nor would they have stood up for her if they felt she was continually lying or exaggerating.

To her friends, she was full of life, fun and caring. NOT a liar !

JMO


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[Anderson]

ya know, IMO Nancy may have been disappointed in the pool, and was being sarcastic when she said that about the swimming pool, and he just didn't "get" it.

I believe that sarcasm is one of the hallmarks of Canadian humour. This comment on the challenges of living south of the border was written by a Canadian living in the U.S.A.:

"Also, language: I get picked on steadily even though I've worked hard to lose the "eh". Another big [difference] is the sense of humour. Canadian humour is much more sarcastic and drier then American humour. What is funny in Canada leaves most Americans looking at you like you a fool. They sometimes take offense. I have found that once they get used to you they start to understand."

http://www.cbc.ca/canadaus/canus_panel_diff.html

Scroll down to the section called "International Guide To Canada" for some examples of Canadian sarcasm:

http://deseng.ryerson.ca/xiki/Lenk/Main:Canadian_humour

[stillblv]

Hey everybody! It's good to be back on the forum after being away for 5 days. Has anything happened?

[sunflowers]

ya know, IMO Nancy may have been disappointed in the pool, and was being sarcastic when she said that about the swimming pool, and he just didn't "get" it.

makes total sense..... i can easily see that scenario ...

[sunflowers]

I believe that sarcasm is one of the hallmarks of Canadian humour. This comment on the challenges of living south of the border was written by a Canadian living in the U.S.A.:

"Also, language: I get picked on steadily even though I've worked hard to lose the "eh". Another big [difference] is the sense of humour. Canadian humour is much more sarcastic and drier then American humour. What is funny in Canada leaves most Americans looking at you like you a fool. They sometimes take offense. I have found that once they get used to you they start to understand."

http://www.cbc.ca/canadaus/canus_panel_diff.html

Scroll down to the section called "International Guide To Canada" for some examples of Canadian sarcasm:

http://deseng.ryerson.ca/xiki/Lenk/Main:Canadian_humour

very funny.... and this makes total sense w scott not getting it, you know, because of being cultural challenged (from here). :)

[jmflu]

Hi, all...
I'm the one who posted on WRAL about my coworker who has the friend who went down to CPD to apply for her PI license. I had heard you all had read that and were batting some thoughts about. I have spent the last few days lurking and catching up on your chatter so I wouldn't be ignorant when I finally posted. Some very interesting and intelligent folks on here! Much better than WRAL, where the posters seem to be more "pro Brad" than actually in touch with reality. I could hardly stand it when there were actually people putting down Nancy and her family and standing up for Brad. I'm really glad to have found WS and happy to be part of the discussion.

Yesterday I went by BC's house for the first time. I work in Waverly Place and Lochmere is right behind here. I was pretty shocked not to see a white bow on the mailbox as I saw all around the neighborhood. I'm not really sure I saw white bows on the other houses in the court, actually, so I'm going back today to take a look.

jmflu

[raisincharlie]

Hi, all...
I'm the one who posted on WRAL about my coworker who has the friend who went down to CPD to apply for her PI license. I had heard you all had read that and were batting some thoughts about. I have spent the last few days lurking and catching up on your chatter so I wouldn't be ignorant when I finally posted. Some very interesting and intelligent folks on here! Much better than WRAL, where the posters seem to be more "pro Brad" than actually in touch with reality. I could hardly stand it when there were actually people putting down Nancy and her family and standing up for Brad. I'm really glad to have found WS and happy to be part of the discussion.

Yesterday I went by BC's house for the first time. I work in Waverly Place and Lochmere is right behind here. I was pretty shocked not to see a white bow on the mailbox as I saw all around the neighborhood. I'm not really sure I saw white bows on the other houses in the court, actually, so I'm going back today to take a look.

jmflu

Hi jmflu

Glad you stopped by. It is always good to have those who have access to the area and the goings on. As you can see, we get a bit silly at times, mainly because of the lack of news. Hope you will join us, we try to behave for the most part and we do try to use sense as well. The more "senses" the better.

I will tell you I play 20 questions, poor Zoe & Skittles can attest to that. See you later hopefully - don't be shy. :)

[SleuthyGal]

Hi, all...
I'm the one who posted on WRAL about my coworker who has the friend who went down to CPD to apply for her PI license.
jmflu

JMFLU!!! Hi!! So glad you finally decided to join over here!!

[jmflu]

Thanks SleuthyGal! Hi RC! Serious and silly, I can partake in both! :)

Ok, I went by the house again on the way home. There still is NO bow on the mailbox. Actually only 2 bows in the whole court. (I wonder if some of the neighbors are afraid to put the bows out in case it is construed as "for Nancy, against Brad?" Hmm...) White beamer in the driveway. Newspaper still in the grass. All the shades closed.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks SleuthyGal! Hi RC! Serious and silly, I can partake in both! :)

Ok, I went by the house again on the way home. There still is NO bow on the mailbox. Actually only 2 bows in the whole court. (I wonder if some of the neighbors are afraid to put the bows out in case it is construed as "for Nancy, against Brad?" Hmm...) White beamer in the driveway. Newspaper still in the grass. All the shades closed.


jm flu isn't contagious is it ? :D

[EntreNous]

it has been bothering me for sometime about nancy's so called embellishments.

We have all come into contact with people who 'embellish' through work, socializing etc. They are the people that we avoid at all costs, that we roll our eyes as they start another tale and mutter,'here we go again' when we are stuck in a conversation with them.

Nancy seems to have had so many close friends with whom she spent a lot of time. I cannot believe that they would have remained friends for long, nor would they have stood up for her if they felt she was continually lying or exaggerating.

To her friends, she was full of life, fun and caring. Not a liar !

Jmo
bingo!

[SleuthyGal]

jm flu isn't contagious is it ? :D

I know JMFlu in real life and have been bugging JmFlu to join WS for the past couple of weeks.

JMFlu may be a bit habit forming, but otherwise is not contagious in a bad way! :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

I know JMFlu in real life and have been bugging JmFlu to join WS for the past couple of weeks.

JMFlu may be a bit habit forming, but otherwise is not contagious in a bad way! :crazy:

Okay, no problem. Ummmm you did warn jmflu about good ole Bubba here right ?

[SleuthyGal]

Okay, no problem. Ummmm you did warn jmflu about good ole Bubba here right ?

No I didn't! :chicken:

[raisincharlie]

No I didn't! :chicken:


uh oh :crazy:

[jmflu]

Bubba?

[Skittles]

Hi, all...
I'm the one who posted on WRAL about my coworker who has the friend who went down to CPD to apply for her PI license. I had heard you all had read that and were batting some thoughts about. I have spent the last few days lurking and catching up on your chatter so I wouldn't be ignorant when I finally posted. Some very interesting and intelligent folks on here! Much better than WRAL, where the posters seem to be more "pro Brad" than actually in touch with reality. I could hardly stand it when there were actually people putting down Nancy and her family and standing up for Brad. I'm really glad to have found WS and happy to be part of the discussion.

Yesterday I went by BC's house for the first time. I work in Waverly Place and Lochmere is right behind here. I was pretty shocked not to see a white bow on the mailbox as I saw all around the neighborhood. I'm not really sure I saw white bows on the other houses in the court, actually, so I'm going back today to take a look.

jmflu

Welcome, jmflu!!

We're mostly harmless around here.

[jumpstreet]

Hi, all...
I'm the one who posted on WRAL about my coworker who has the friend who went down to CPD to apply for her PI license. I had heard you all had read that and were batting some thoughts about. I have spent the last few days lurking and catching up on your chatter so I wouldn't be ignorant when I finally posted. Some very interesting and intelligent folks on here! Much better than WRAL, where the posters seem to be more "pro Brad" than actually in touch with reality. I could hardly stand it when there were actually people putting down Nancy and her family and standing up for Brad. I'm really glad to have found WS and happy to be part of the discussion.

Yesterday I went by BC's house for the first time. I work in Waverly Place and Lochmere is right behind here. I was pretty shocked not to see a white bow on the mailbox as I saw all around the neighborhood. I'm not really sure I saw white bows on the other houses in the court, actually, so I'm going back today to take a look.

jmflu

Welcome to jmflu!..
... BTW, what's the link to the wral site (just curious)? [ I've "discussions" at the end of sevaral of their news articles, but those seem to close out as the article ages. Thanks. ] What's the scoop on your co-worker who went down to Cary PD to apply for PI license. Any observations, etc? (Sorry - I haven't read the wral site you mentioned, but feel free to share a link)

[jumpstreet]

Not much time for the DA to figure how this case is unusual or different, extraordinary or anything else.

Given the warrants in the Young case were sealed for 2 years, and are now just now being opened, it is reasonable to assume that there is substantially less of substance (circumstantial or otherwise) in the BC warrants than what's in the JY warrants? Or not necessarily.

I mean, the contents of the JY warrants compelled a judge to keep them sealed for all this time. Having not followed that case incredibly closely, I wonder what has precipitated them being opened. [ Does the judge just feel like 2 years is long enough? ].

In the BC case, it's shaping up to be 6 week interval as being "long enough" - so is it likely that there's less implications/information in the BC warrants than the JY warrants? Anyone care to speculate?

[raisincharlie]

Given the warrants in the Young case were sealed for 2 years, and are now just now being opened, it is reasonable to assume that there is substantially less of substance (circumstantial or otherwise) in the BC warrants than what's in the JY warrants? Or not necessarily.

I mean, the contents of the JY warrants compelled a judge to keep them sealed for all this time. Having not followed that case incredibly closely, I wonder what has precipitated them being opened. [ Does the judge just feel like 2 years is long enough? ].

In the BC case, it's shaping up to be 6 week interval as being "long enough" - so is it likely that there's less implications/information in the BC warrants than the JY warrants? Anyone care to speculate?

There will be considerably less in BC's warrants. Since you didn't follow Michelle's case - what you saw in the affidavait was basically the building of the case from beginning to the point it was at when the warrants were served. In other words, each warrant issued contains this repetition of the causes to the point of issuance. Laid out in those warrant s was just over a years worht of work.

In this case - remember the warrants were served on the 16th, 21st and 25th - not much can be analyzed in that short amount of time. However from the 16th warrant something was obtained in evidence that allowed for a probable cause to search Cisco Systems, Brad's office. There will be nothing in these warrants about DNA IMO.

[raisincharlie]

Bubba?


Quess no one told you about Bubba the serial killer who presides on death row - that's me :crazy:



Just teasing you jmflu - i accidentally inherited that particular description - all in fun and I refuse to allow the person who said it to forget it - again - all in fun !

[fran]

Thanks SleuthyGal! Hi RC! Serious and silly, I can partake in both! :)

Ok, I went by the house again on the way home. There still is NO bow on the mailbox. Actually only 2 bows in the whole court. (I wonder if some of the neighbors are afraid to put the bows out in case it is construed as "for Nancy, against Brad?" Hmm...) White beamer in the driveway. Newspaper still in the grass. All the shades closed.


jmflu!

:Welcome-12-june:

It really bothers me about the bow being gone from the mailbox too. She's only been gone for a month! Has he forgotten all about her already? :(

If I lived in that neighborhood, I'd keep a bow on my mailbox for a year! Pooey on Brad and HIS friends. :mad:

I'm not surprised he's hidden behind closed shades. He knows the rumor is he's the 'guy who killed his wife.'(<-allegedly ;)) Bet he feels strange when he does go out, like all eyes are on him. Especially the hidden CAMERAS! :eek: Bet he's driving all over town trying to figure out where he was seen that day Nancy went missing. :takeoff:

Guess he'll just have to wait until they come to get him, to find out where all the town's hidden cameras are. :smiliescale: Then he'll have some 'splainin' to do!:behindbar

JMHO
fran

[EntreNous]

Welcome to the board jmflu!

[fran]

he seems amazingly calculated & clever in figuring out *SOME* of what he did (this would not include his 4:20 HT trip & his attempt to have Nancy's card swiped at LTF).

but, what on earth was he thinking when he answered the phone when Jessica called? I guess he figured if he didn't answer, she would come over & he absolutely didn't want her at the house.

which makes me think something happened at the house AND he had some important errands to run while "looking" for her.....

I honestly think he HAD to get RID of something and MAYBE wash his car. Wonder if LE has gone to the car washes around there on Saturday, about the time Brad was 'looking for Nancy,' (between 1 - 3 pm) to check if it was anyone's normal routine and they may have seen him there that day?:confused:

That COULD be informative.

JMHO
fran

[raisincharlie]

Everyone must be out following Brad :woohoo:

[fran]

SH's relationship with Brad seriously bothers me. I can't figure that one out to save my life.:crazy:

This supposed friendship is definitely weird on BOTH sides.:crazy:

Who would be friends with someone who stabbed you in the back and had an affair with your wife?:steamed:

:chicken:OTOH, who would be friends with someone, who you'd had an affair with their wife?:talker:

Strange, very strange. :shocked2:

JMHO
fran

[DogWood]

Thanks SleuthyGal! Hi RC! Serious and silly, I can partake in both! :)

Ok, I went by the house again on the way home. There still is NO bow on the mailbox. Actually only 2 bows in the whole court. (I wonder if some of the neighbors are afraid to put the bows out in case it is construed as "for Nancy, against Brad?" Hmm...) White beamer in the driveway. Newspaper still in the grass. All the shades closed.

Hi, jmflu! Welcome!

Did you happen to notice if there were stickers on the license plate of the White BMW sedan in the driveway? :)

Anything else you noticed about the plate?

[fran]

Everyone must be out following Brad :woohoo:

Looks like it doesn't it!?:eek:

JMHO
fran

[jumpstreet]

There will be considerably less in BC's warrants. Since you didn't follow Michelle's case - what you saw in the affidavait was basically the building of the case from beginning to the point it was at when the warrants were served. In other words, each warrant issued contains this repetition of t