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HappyChic727
08-19-2008, 05:37 AM
This has come to mind a few times. Could she just be trying to hurt her parents and it went too far? I keep thinking of the MySpace entry that Casey made that sounded like she was the bad daughter. Could someone really have Caylee and now be afraid to bring her back and get in trouble?

Maybe this person was supposed to bring her back on her birthday?

Nothing in this case makes any sense. It's all very twisted and very sick.

My feeling is that Caylee is really gone but after hearing Padilla last night, I was thinking that it would be so wonderful if Caylee really is alive. I am a big believer in psychics and if what they psychics are saying is true, then my hopes that Caylee is alive are just hopes.

Your thoughts?

AC
08-19-2008, 05:54 AM
You are not alone in this thought. It's crossed my mind more than once.

lisalei321
08-19-2008, 06:08 AM
I've made the comment on a few occasions that I thought this was a "publicity" stunt that had went bad, I just can't figure out why!

LoriKeet
08-19-2008, 06:45 AM
I have to agree it's been in the back of my mind too...ever since hearing that her lawyer Baez (when she was first arrested), wanted to show her some media clips and he thought she could use a laugh?!?!? And then her fascination with movies and certain actresses. I thought maybe she was doing her own little reality show...America Get's Punk'd or some other such junk.

I guess I just can't wrap my head around a mother and parents/grandparents, even their lawyer, being so cryptic and adamantly unwilling to help in solving where a precious 3 year old could be and is presumed dead?! It's so beyond sickening, it HAS to be a joke--especially given the 3-ring circus atmosphere with the addition of Larry Garrison and the bounty hunters?!

But, then I tell myself, if this DID turn out to be somebody's version of a sick and twisted joke, the fallout from all of the lawsuits for all of the resources that have been used and spent on this case thus far, would so not be worth it--the public--especially those who HAVE lost children Caylee's age--would be gunning for so many heads on a platter it would be ridiculous.

Inch High PI
08-19-2008, 06:51 AM
First post-I've been lurking for a while-starting with the Brooke Bennett case.

This same thing, regarding a setup by Casey, has crossed my mind at times. That someone has her and now is afraid to come forward because they are afraid that Casey will pin it on them and they will be charged with kidnapping. But that someone would need help from other people and it seems like sooner or later someone would come forward.

I don't know-I go back and forth. To me, this would be the best case scenario since it would mean Caylee is alive and most likely well cared for. This is the outcome I'm hoping for. The jaded side of me, however, says that too many of these cases end up with the worst case scenario.

There was a case here locally, exactly two years ago where some foster parents killed their foster child and then tried to say he went missing while in a park. The police knew from the beginning they were lying, but they did not have the evidence. They finally gave them enough time and enough rope to hang themselves and they did. A third person involved in the murder finally cracked. She was given immunity, which stinks, but we also would likely not know the truth if it wasn't for her. This case with Caylee, in so many ways, reminds me of that case. I hope eventually Casey has enough rope to figuratively hang herself. These people loved the press, much the way Cindy does. The police watched their public appearances very carefully to see what changed in their story, etc. It was all used as evidence against them eventually.

Fandy
08-19-2008, 08:00 AM
(snip) Could someone really have Caylee and now be afraid to bring her back and get in trouble?

Maybe this person was supposed to bring her back on her birthday?

Nothing in this case makes any sense. It's all very twisted and very sick.(snip)

Your thoughts?

I think it's been too long, she's not been seen for over 2 months....what kind of mother would do that to her 2 year old? talk about traumatizing your child. I've been think that the reason Casey is afraid to talk is because she had HELP disposing of the body and this person has threatened HER...it's all about casey saving casey's Azz. jmho, thanks for reading

lostnfound85
08-19-2008, 08:12 AM
I don't believe in psychics for a minute and believe all of them are only in it for the money or publicity. They usually do more harm than good in an investigation.

IMHO.

Hailiejade77
08-19-2008, 09:32 AM
This thought has crossed my mind so many times. I feel that someone has Caylee out of the country. That the reason why Casey hasn't gone "bonkers" about her daughter being missing is because she knows who has her and she knows she is safe. That is the only reason I could justify why she never called LE when Caylee went "missing".
I am hoping and praying this is the case. It makes me SICK if I am wrong and Casey did something to Caylee and is now being quiet. No REAL mother could do that! jmo

icherish
08-19-2008, 09:36 AM
This has come to mind a few times. Could she just be trying to hurt her parents and it went too far? I keep thinking of the MySpace entry that Casey made that sounded like she was the bad daughter. Could someone really have Caylee and now be afraid to bring her back and get in trouble?

Maybe this person was supposed to bring her back on her birthday?

Nothing in this case makes any sense. It's all very twisted and very sick.

My feeling is that Caylee is really gone but after hearing Padilla last night, I was thinking that it would be so wonderful if Caylee really is alive. I am a big believer in psychics and if what they psychics are saying is true, then my hopes that Caylee is alive are just hopes.

Your thoughts?

I don't believe a "kidnapping" was set up by Casey. There is still the car. The detective said it smelled of human decomp...the gm said it, the dog indicated it and although in and of itself the smell is not enough, I do believe it is the biggest clue pointing to the truth in this case so far.

I'm sticking to my original theory that Caylee died accidently on Casey's watch and Casey held on to and eventually hid her little body. In Casey's warped mind- she didn't mean for it to happen, it's awful, it's sad, but it happened...Caylee's gone, nothing can change it and now it is all about looking out for CASEY. Sick and twisted, yes, but according to what we've learned about Casey...self-involvement is her strongest suit.

I am guessing Padilla would like to see her out of the jail and in the "safety" of home in the hopes that someone (possibly Lee) will get the truth out of her. I doubt she would crack, though...I think she's going to her grave with this one.

catherineb
08-19-2008, 09:40 AM
One of the news shows I watched indicated that Padilla would get Casey drunk to spill the beans a little.

The only reason Casey could be acting the way is she is one of two things: she knows who has Caylee and she is fine OR she really is a cold hearted sick psychotic person.

Stoelly
08-19-2008, 10:19 AM
I believe that Casey, her family, her lawyers, the bounty hunter, are all spinning lies and not playing by the rules. They are doing this to screw up the investigation. I also believe that Casey WAS talking in code to Lee - so that he could clean up all the evidence she left behind. I believe that George is involved and that is why he did not take the witness stand or has made any comments. My daddy raised me to watch a persons eyes when they talk, and George CAN NEVER look anyone in the eyes during an interview. (A body sign that he is misleading the conversation)

By spinning and spinning, no one will know which way to look because they'll all be dizzy! This family is making me sick! (And I used to have empathy for them! Not any more! They are not doing anything to help the investigators unless they think it won't lead anywhere!)

laughingul
08-19-2008, 10:25 AM
One of the news shows I watched indicated that Padilla would get Casey drunk to spill the beans a little.

The only reason Casey could be acting the way is she is one of two things: she knows who has Caylee and she is fine OR she really is a cold hearted sick psychotic person.

Do you have a link for this? Did Padilla say it or was is just speculation form one of the hosts or guests?

MaggieMom
08-19-2008, 10:31 AM
One of the news shows I watched indicated that Padilla would get Casey drunk to spill the beans a little.

The only reason Casey could be acting the way is she is one of two things: she knows who has Caylee and she is fine OR she really is a cold hearted sick psychotic person.

I have to go with choice number 2.

WhitneyLea
08-19-2008, 10:35 AM
Do you have a link for this? Did Padilla say it or was is just speculation form one of the hosts or guests?

I think it was speculated by either NG or Greta last night, and Padilla kind of laughed and said something along the lines of "well, if it works!"

newuser
08-19-2008, 10:37 AM
If any of these people have purposefully pulled this huge hoax on the whole country, they will definitely not be safe anywhere. Everyone you talk to has a concern for Caylee. If Casey doesn't ever choose to say what happened, I don't think the truth will ever come out.

angelmom
08-19-2008, 10:43 AM
I might have believed this for a brief time (possibly a day or even a weekend) but who could pull this off for 2 months?

Who does Casey know and trust enough who hasn't been seen AT ALL for 2 months?

Who has the nerve to go completely off the grid - no job unless it's from home, not seeing family or friends, having to make sure that Caylee is hidden from view. How do they get groceries? How do they get money? How do they even make a phone call without the risk of Caylee being heard in the background and someone being suspicious?

Who trusts Casey-the-Liar enough to know that she won't throw them under the bus if they are caught, that she won't say they kidnapped Caylee and that she had nothing to do with it or that it was their idea? WHY would anyone agree to that??? There is no money to be made from it. It is insane.

And the bell I keep ringing is that the people who believe she is alive keep attributing some maternal quality to Casey, saying she is too calm to have killed Caylee and she must know she's okay. But if she has a maternal bone in her body, she would still be worried. She's had NO contact with her child in at least a month.

I don't care if Caylee was in the presence of Jesus Christ (which I believe she is), a real mother worries about her child and wonders if she misses her mommy and if she is eating okay - do the people who have her know what she likes? And if she is sleeping okay in a strange place - do they remember the toy or blanket she has to have with her? Do they understand all of her toddler words or how she rubs her eyes when she's sleepy?

My kids miss me when they are with my parents or in-laws, whom they see several times a week. I have seen my niece and nephew cry for my brother and SIL when they are with my parents, and have seen my SIL's anxiety at leaving them for a night out. That's what REAL parents do. Even when you KNOW they are perfectly safe.

Who does Casey know well enough that she could be so sure that Caylee is fine and happy? Why is that person's absence not a giant gaping hole in her life right now?

The only person missing is Caylee. And the person who knows where she is isn't talking. How you call her a mother I will never understand.

Blondieskatz
08-19-2008, 10:47 AM
I just don't think it's a hoax. If you take in the 911 call, the smell of the car and the dogs it just dosn't work. I think Casey is out to save herself and the same for the GP's, they've already lost a gd why lose a daughter?

As for the bounty hunter and bail bondsman ~ publicity. Seems to me they're the only ones that thinks she innocent. I haven't heard of anyone else lining up to bail her out. And, really if the gp's thought she was innocent, why didn't they come up with the 10% to bail her out?

fox1950
08-19-2008, 10:57 AM
If someone had Caylee and was afraid to return her because they would be in trouble why not just drop her off somewhere that was a public place (which was not being monitored by cameras) like a church or something and then call in the tip to police.

weasel
08-19-2008, 10:57 AM
<<I'm sticking to my original theory that Caylee died accidently on Casey's watch>>

<<just don't think it's a hoax>>


I agree. I think there's too much evidence pointing towards something else. Also, I don't someone would use a 3 year old child in a publicity stunt like this. I just keep wondering about the statement made by GM where she states, "my daughter has been missing for a month and I found her today, but my granddaughter is missing and the damn car smells like a dead body". I think something happened, Casey took off and hid for a month until she could formulate some story.

passionflower
08-19-2008, 10:58 AM
The car is what makes me think Casey had Caylee dead in it. My husband has been a career soldier and in war. He says once you smell death, you NEVER forget the smell!
Then dogs hit and even the 'body farm' came in...LE never told forensic test results???......something was dead in there. Even grandma Cindy (nurse) said like something Dead was in the car and smell on the slacks...........IMO, RIP little Caylee.........did anyone look at 'family grave sites'......
they may of put her with a great grandma or someone..........IMO

feddup
08-19-2008, 10:59 AM
I don't believe a "kidnapping" was set up by Casey. There is still the car. The detective said it smelled of human decomp...the gm said it, the dog indicated it and although in and of itself the smell is not enough, I do believe it is the biggest clue pointing to the truth in this case so far.

I'm sticking to my original theory that Caylee died accidently on Casey's watch and Casey held on to and eventually hid her little body. In Casey's warped mind- she didn't mean for it to happen, it's awful, it's sad, but it happened...Caylee's gone, nothing can change it and now it is all about looking out for CASEY. Sick and twisted, yes, but according to what we've learned about Casey...self-involvement is her strongest suit.

I am guessing Padilla would like to see her out of the jail and in the "safety" of home in the hopes that someone (possibly Lee) will get the truth out of her. I doubt she would crack, though...I think she's going to her grave with this one.

Even her OWN Mother said it smelled like a dead body!!
(I bet she now regrets saying that but thank she did, they can use it in court)
I have no faith left in these people, its been too whacky. The head games played betweeen Cindy and Casey, wow poor little Caylee stuck in the middle of those two. UGGGGG
If she goes home, she wont be able to avoid Lee, who I think is onto her:)
If she refuses the Bounty Hunters help, then i think we can know she is hiding something. FOR SURE.

A.Wood
08-19-2008, 11:02 AM
I do think its so odd to not show much emotion over this. Even Susan Smith who knew where her poor children were got on television and cried over her supposedly kidnapped children. Casey as we know has done nothing close to that. But ofcourse she could be dodging even saying Caylee's name because she feels a lot of guilt and just can't go there in her head. No way to know what goes on in someones head.

weasel
08-19-2008, 11:02 AM
<<As for the bounty hunter and bail bondsman ~ publicity.>>

I think you're absolutely right. I also think it's stupid on their part, too. Supposedly, they're getting their own show that's due to start soon and that's why they're drumming up publicity. But I think it could backfire on them. Casey Anthony is really not a very popular person at the moment and the public could very well turn on Mr. Niceguy for supporting her.

Blondieskatz
08-19-2008, 11:36 AM
<<As for the bounty hunter and bail bondsman ~ publicity.>>

I think you're absolutely right. I also think it's stupid on their part, too. Supposedly, they're getting their own show that's due to start soon and that's why they're drumming up publicity. But I think it could backfire on them. Casey Anthony is really not a very popular person at the moment and the public could very well turn on Mr. Niceguy for supporting her.

:clap: I know I won't be watching!

coltsgal
08-19-2008, 11:43 AM
I wish it were the case, because it would mean that Caylee is alive.

However, I think this is just wishful thinking. Too many coincidences to prove that this is not the case.

TKS2003
08-19-2008, 11:56 AM
I wish I could believe this was a set up by Casey, but like another post mentioned above, she would need alot of help to pull this off, and doesnt seem to have anyone close to her, beyond family who would help her do something that twisted....I do believe something happened to Caylee while she was with Casey, and Casey panicked when she couldnt reach her parents on the phone, that's where the lies and deception started---and the more I hear those 911 calls, the more I believe Cindy knew then that Caylee wasnt coming home....this whole thing is sickening, lying people, lawyers, bounty hunters, private investigators, and yet NO ONE can produce Caylee....Where is this missing little girl? Casey knows.

Love_Mama
08-19-2008, 12:14 PM
First post-I've been lurking for a while-starting with the Brooke Bennett case.

This same thing, regarding a setup by Casey, has crossed my mind at times. That someone has her and now is afraid to come forward because they are afraid that Casey will pin it on them and they will be charged with kidnapping. But that someone would need help from other people and it seems like sooner or later someone would come forward.

I don't know-I go back and forth. To me, this would be the best case scenario since it would mean Caylee is alive and most likely well cared for. This is the outcome I'm hoping for. The jaded side of me, however, says that too many of these cases end up with the worst case scenario.

There was a case here locally, exactly two years ago where some foster parents killed their foster child and then tried to say he went missing while in a park. The police knew from the beginning they were lying, but they did not have the evidence. They finally gave them enough time and enough rope to hang themselves and they did. A third person involved in the murder finally cracked. She was given immunity, which stinks, but we also would likely not know the truth if it wasn't for her. This case with Caylee, in so many ways, reminds me of that case. I hope eventually Casey has enough rope to figuratively hang herself. These people loved the press, much the way Cindy does. The police watched their public appearances very carefully to see what changed in their story, etc. It was all used as evidence against them eventually.

Informative post Inch High PI/ Welcome to WS..you'll be a great poster here!

xxxoooooo
mama

Love_Mama
08-19-2008, 12:21 PM
I just don't think it's a hoax. If you take in the 911 call, the smell of the car and the dogs it just dosn't work. I think Casey is out to save herself and the same for the GP's, they've already lost a gd why lose a daughter?

As for the bounty hunter and bail bondsman ~ publicity. Seems to me they're the only ones that thinks she innocent. I haven't heard of anyone else lining up to bail her out. And, really if the gp's thought she was innocent, why didn't they come up with the 10% to bail her out?

Blondie, As far as the bondsman and bounty hunter go I'm thinking that their statement that they think Casey is innocent was meant to be relayed to Casey. They're making themselves a friend in 'front"

IF Casey goes for this, maybe she'll make a slip!
Dang, we have no DNA..we have no idea what LE has, and if LE is willing to let her go than I say OKAY!

xxxxxxxxxxxooooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

LI_Mom
08-19-2008, 12:37 PM
IF Casey goes for this, maybe she'll make a slip!
Dang, we have no DNA..we have no idea what LE has, and if LE is willing to let her go than I say OKAY!



FWIW, people used this 'excuse' to explain why Casey's parents went public & said THEY believed Casey's crazy story about the (NON-EXISTENT) nanny..... 'oh they're just trying to show Casey that they'll support her no matter what & then she'll start telling the truth.'

Well we see Casey is sticking to her guns & staying with the ridiculous claim that she can't tell LE the truth because it's too dangerous to talk. (Oh yeah... Casey is a regular hero for keeping everyone so safe from her imaginary danger!)

The ONLY thing that's too dangerous in this sick game of hers is if Caylee's body is found & LE is still able to determine a cause of death. Casey's best chance at beating a homicide rap is if she can still convince at least one person on the jury that SHE'S also a victim of the scary Zenaida-phantom.

Lovejac
08-19-2008, 01:04 PM
the thought of a hoax has crossed my mind, but that would mean she would have had to go to the trouble of getting a corpse or the like and she just isn't smart enough for all that. Hmmmmmm-- What was that movie with Kevin Spacey and Kate Winslet..........?

PaperDoll
08-19-2008, 01:10 PM
I personally don't believe it was a joke that went too far. I understand that not a lot of this case makes much sense, but the price they will pay, if indeed it is a joke, is a high price. I think the lawyers would step in and say something. My head spins when I read about this case.

TheLoneRanger
08-19-2008, 02:03 PM
I'm torn both ways. For the most part, I think like everyone else I want to believe Caylee really is just being secreted away & is safe... looking through all the pics of her w/ her daughter she just seemed like a normal 'mom' & really in love w/ her baby.... even if she was a 'party girl'.... I guess the biggest issues I have trouble wrapping my head around is GM during initial 911 calls overheard in background during call transfer telling Casey that they'd get a court order & get custody of Caylee.... how when GM made the final 911 call [After George got home & walked in from his 1st day on new job] GM kept insisting to the operator how CASEY had been missing for a month & now they'd found her [& found the car] but couldn't find Caylee.... I think it's odd how initially EvErYoNe swore it was 6/09 [& then later after it was brought to GM attention when someone/? told LE Caylee was at senior home on 6/15] GM suddenly remembered & her date changed to 6/15... Casey's date of 6/09 never changed as far as we know[?] Still unclear on exactly when gas cans were brought BACK to GM/GP house [they say 6/23 or 6/24 but who really knows?!] Then there is the blog posting on GM myspace [MyCayleeIsMissing] dated 7/03.... Later, I think it's when GM does Greta On the Record interview, GM talks about how when Casey was brought home by LE approx 7am on 7/15 after Casey got out of the shower they got on myspace to send out mssgs about Caylee [admittidly because GM didn't know that much about using it]... Prior to hearing this tho I'd personally IMO felt the 7/03 blog was written by Casey & not GM simply by the way it was worded... felt more of an apology... the way the sentence structure flows from statement to example/experience [IMO] is more of a casey experience than a GM experience... Maybe she thought her mom would read/forgive.... GM initially stated they were in midst of figuring out when would be the best time for Casey & Caylee to leave the nest [which later changed per GM/GP to 'it was a day like any other day' & there were no problems]... So, if Casey really did write it & not GM then to me, a lot of things make a lot more sense - including inconsistensies in GM's interviews & testimony on Casey's work status & having a job vs 'no money no future', etc. I dunno... just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.... The whole thing is simply mind boggling.... just trying to think outta the box....

HappyChic727
08-19-2008, 02:04 PM
I have to agree it's been in the back of my mind too...ever since hearing that her lawyer Baez (when she was first arrested), wanted to show her some media clips and he thought she could use a laugh?!?!? And then her fascination with movies and certain actresses. I thought maybe she was doing her own little reality show...America Get's Punk'd or some other such junk.

I guess I just can't wrap my head around a mother and parents/grandparents, even their lawyer, being so cryptic and adamantly unwilling to help in solving where a precious 3 year old could be and is presumed dead?! It's so beyond sickening, it HAS to be a joke--especially given the 3-ring circus atmosphere with the addition of Larry Garrison and the bounty hunters?!

But, then I tell myself, if this DID turn out to be somebody's version of a sick and twisted joke, the fallout from all of the lawsuits for all of the resources that have been used and spent on this case thus far, would so not be worth it--the public--especially those who HAVE lost children Caylee's age--would be gunning for so many heads on a platter it would be ridiculous.
Great post! If the end result is Caylee being alive, then Casey can pay her dues and we'll all have to get over what she's done - easier said than done, I know, especially for those who have lost children and have had to go through their grief again with this case.

NighTillDawn
08-19-2008, 02:06 PM
I don't believe in psychics for a minute and believe all of them are only in it for the money or publicity. They usually do more harm than good in an investigation.

IMHO.

I hate to tell you, but there are people out there who dont care about fame or fortune and just want Caylee found - most hopefully alive.

s1rebecca
08-19-2008, 02:25 PM
I believe Casey was in deep trouble with her parents. Cindy said on her my space and on the 911 tapes that she had stollen a lot of money and her car. When someone steals your credit card and runs it up, you are responsible for paying it back unless you press charges against the person who did it. This happend to someone I know that their daughter did something similar went on a trip and stole about $5000 pretending to me the mother from the parents account. She also had a daughter that was little at the time and they did not press charges because they did not want the daughter to be without her mother. I think the Anthonys were in a similar situation. There were reports they were behind on their mortgage, I bet on fathers day is when it all came to a head and she took off with Caylee. Maybe it did start as a hoax. Maybe she said if you put me in jail you wont get Caylee, I'll see to it. I don't know if she did her in or if she really has her stashed somewhere. Her parents still have not pressed charges for theft and so far, she only has a couple of other charges. If Caylee re-appears Casey won't be in much trouble, she has already served about 30 days she will probably get time served.

ShouldBWorking
08-19-2008, 02:26 PM
you must be from Cincinnati, I am from Fairfield followed that case myself
First post-I've been lurking for a while-starting with the Brooke Bennett case.

This same thing, regarding a setup by Casey, has crossed my mind at times. That someone has her and now is afraid to come forward because they are afraid that Casey will pin it on them and they will be charged with kidnapping. But that someone would need help from other people and it seems like sooner or later someone would come forward.

I don't know-I go back and forth. To me, this would be the best case scenario since it would mean Caylee is alive and most likely well cared for. This is the outcome I'm hoping for. The jaded side of me, however, says that too many of these cases end up with the worst case scenario.

There was a case here locally, exactly two years ago where some foster parents killed their foster child and then tried to say he went missing while in a park. The police knew from the beginning they were lying, but they did not have the evidence. They finally gave them enough time and enough rope to hang themselves and they did. A third person involved in the murder finally cracked. She was given immunity, which stinks, but we also would likely not know the truth if it wasn't for her. This case with Caylee, in so many ways, reminds me of that case. I hope eventually Casey has enough rope to figuratively hang herself. These people loved the press, much the way Cindy does. The police watched their public appearances very carefully to see what changed in their story, etc. It was all used as evidence against them eventually.

WholeLottaRosie
08-19-2008, 02:41 PM
Interesting thread. I have wondered from the beginning about it being either some kind of hoax for publicity due to the behaviour of the grandparents. Something there is just not right. (personal assistants - did they ever get any?) and then the thought that Cindy seems quite controlling, could Casey have given Caylee away to get back at Cindy, thinking that she will sit in jail a while and they won't find a body so she'll go free? Although I know they do prosecute many without bodies.

Other things I wonder about - could meat in the car rotted resulting in a dead body smell? I know years ago we were away for 2 weeks, during which time our freezer somehow became unplugged. When we came home the smell was horrendous - what an absolute awful cleanup that was. Double masks had to be worn to clean out everything (we had most of a side of beef in addition to other meats in there) and the odor stayed - what got it out, BTW, was an entire bag of charcoal spread out on newspaper on the shelves, and the freezer staying off and closed for a long time - I wanna say the better part of a month. But the utility room where the freezer was - man, that took a long time to get the smell out there as well, I would get wiffs of it for a long time, it wasn't until a year later when new floor and new drywall was put up, etc that I quit smelling that.

Anyway, someone made the comment to us then, that it smelled like a corpse, I don't know if that is true or not, as I have thankfully never smelled a corpse. Does anyone know if rotting raw meat will smell like a corpse? What about cooked meat that would be left to spoil/rot? Not like a little meat on a pizza, but, like a burger or several burgers? Just curious, although it seems to me if Casey left meat she would have said so, or, she was really working on a hoax. I wondered before about dirty diapers, and someone said they wouldn't give a cadaver smell and then I think someone mentioned raw meat, but, I can't recall for sure. Then I was thinking about the spoiled meat in our freezer and have been meaning to post about this and ask if any one knew about this.

Just some random thoughts I had while reading this thread.

secretagent
08-19-2008, 02:59 PM
If any of these people have purposefully pulled this huge hoax on the whole country, they will definitely not be safe anywhere. Everyone you talk to has a concern for Caylee. If Casey doesn't ever choose to say what happened, I don't think the truth will ever come out.

I doubt that hightly, some new atrocity will happen and people will say Caysey Who?

s1rebecca
08-19-2008, 03:20 PM
We had a 2nd garage fridge that quit working, we usually only kept extra drinks in there so didn't think anything of it, this was July, about a week later I started smelling something and asked husband did you clean out that fridge he said yes, but guess what there was a whole Turkey in there that had thawed and was rotting. The smell was so awful either of us could open the door without gagging. Anyway I doubt it was raw meat in the trunk as Cindy did not mention she removed and rotten meat, however she did mention she removed and washed the pants. Plus Casey doesn't look like much of a grocery buyer, but in one beach photo I did see a pretty big cooler. A body could fit in there...just a theory.

yolorado
08-19-2008, 03:35 PM
I really think this is a possibility. She's 22. She had a baby before she got married. She's living at home. Mom and Dad are pretty demanding. She's been replaced as their little pumpkin by Caylee. She wants to be 22, to party, to date, to spend the night, but Mom and Dad are always treating her like she's a child, telling her what she has to do for Caylee. They try to control her life. They tell her when she has to be home. They criticize her all the time. They usurp her authority as a parent. They're supporting her financially. They never let her forget it. They nag her to get a job so much that she pretends to have one just to shut them up and get out of the house. She has to get drunk to spend much time with Dad. They bug her generally. Then, they even start threatening to take the baby away. So...one way or another...she does it for them. Still, if somebody kind, decent and friendly has Caylee, why haven't they just come forward. Why risk being hit by serious charges later on?

I've also wondered if real bio dad has her somewhere and isn't coming forward because he can't let anyone find out he's real bio dad.

Edited to add--Unfortunately, as many theories I come up with leading to the possibility that Caylee could be alive, I still end up with a who mom didn't report her baby missing for a month and then who still lied to her parents and the police, who can't say what happened or where she left her baby after sittting in jail for a month, who is known to lie and steal, who seems to be doing everything she can to interfere with the police efforts to find her child up until now. I keep asking what kind of mom would act like this. The only answer I keep coming back to is one who KNOWS what happened and is fully aware of where she left her baby but won't tell because she thinks that if she keeps her mouth shut people might not ever find out the truth, that she might not have to go to jail for what she did, and that someday she might even be able to forget it herself. With a mom like this, it's really hard to picture an OK Caylee. And I hope I'm wrong.

helloitsme
08-19-2008, 03:47 PM
What if the set up is by the lawyer, not Casey.
I have a theory about Padilla the BH, and Baez the lawyer.
Baez has 2 major problems.
1. He needs an explanation for Casey Anthony's actions(a "story").
This is difficult, but just look at the wild speculation on WS.
Pick the best parts of several theories, and combine them into one semi-believable story.
2. He needs to improve CA's credibility (which is ZERO right now).
What if:
CA is released on bail, spends several days at home being questioned by the BH,
and then, due to his brilliant questioning, "confesses" the new story.
Because the story came via the BH, the credibility of the story is enhanced, and the focus is off of CA.
The BH gets his publicity, and Baez gets the best "spin" possible under the circumstances.
If this has already been posted, I'm sorry (still trying to catch up on all the threads)

italianchica
08-19-2008, 03:49 PM
I'm not a firm believer in psychics at all. I stand more on physical and scientific evidence. I don't believe anyone has gathered enough evidence for anything and the fact that she still isn't talking leads me to believe she's guilty of something awful and scared of what the consequences will bring her.

yolorado
08-19-2008, 04:06 PM
What if the set up is by the lawyer, not Casey.
....
What if:
CA is released on bail, spends several days at home being questioned by the BH,
and then, due to his brilliant questioning, "confesses" the new story.
Because the story came via the BH, the credibility of the story is enhanced, and the focus is off of CA.
The BH gets his publicity, and Baez gets the best "spin" possible under the circumstances.
If this has already been posted, I'm sorry (still trying to catch up on all the threads)

You certainly could be right. But unless Caylee is found alive, we still come back to a mom who didn't report her baby missing, who didn't cooperate with police to find her baby as the trail grew colder and colder, who never did come up with a living child and who told lie after lie after lie. That mom may have a hard time staying out of jail no matter what stories defense attorneys and bounty hunters come up with.

WholeLottaRosie
08-19-2008, 04:16 PM
I was thinking some more. I wonder about Casey being in jail. No one would like that - so I am wondering, if Caylee is dead, and Casey wants out of jail, why wouldn't she be trying to pin that on someone (anyone, Cindy, George, whoever) to get out of jail. It would be her word against that person's, and she could be saying she kept quiet do to being fearful for her person from the killer. Her sticking to the babysitter story though, or the kidnapper,or whatever it exactly now, makes me wonder.

NighTillDawn
08-19-2008, 04:33 PM
I'm not a firm believer in psychics at all. I stand more on physical and scientific evidence. I don't believe anyone has gathered enough evidence for anything and the fact that she still isn't talking leads me to believe she's guilty of something awful and scared of what the consequences will bring her.

Psychics are definitely not physical or scientific evidence. They aren't God either. They may be able to tune into things that the ordinary person cannot. Like I said on an earlier thread, I believe everyone has a sixth sense, it all depends how a person uses it. You know, thinking of a song in your head and then maybe a minute later having it come on the radio, or thinking of someone you haven't seen in a while, and them showing up at of nowhere, or thinking of someone and having them call. I have done that many times, but I don't consider myself a psychic because of it.

cluehunter
08-19-2008, 04:40 PM
I've pondered this theory myself but keep coming back to one thing (um, make that two things since the cadaver dogs make it all fairly obvious to me): the reward money. If someone had this child, SOMEBODY would know and would want to claim that $225,000 reward.

WholeLottaRosie
08-19-2008, 04:57 PM
I've pondered this theory myself but keep coming back to one thing (um, make that two things since the cadaver dogs make it all fairly obvious to me): the reward money. If someone had this child, SOMEBODY would know and would want to claim that $225,000 reward.


Welcome to Websleuths, Cluehunter! You have something there, although, maybe there are conditions to the reward, like for conviction or whatever - I am not sure and not sure where to even begin wading through all the threads to find that info. Anyone else know?

Truth Seeker
08-19-2008, 05:28 PM
I was thinking some more. I wonder about Casey being in jail. No one would like that - so I am wondering, if Caylee is dead, and Casey wants out of jail, why wouldn't she be trying to pin that on someone (anyone, Cindy, George, whoever) to get out of jail. It would be her word against that person's, and she could be saying she kept quiet do to being fearful for her person from the killer. Her sticking to the babysitter story though, or the kidnapper,or whatever it exactly now, makes me wonder.

When Cindy would ask Casey about Caylee, she always had an excuse why she couldn't let her see or talk to her. In bed at the beach with nanny, whatever etc....
Casey had to give grandma some reason why she couldn't see -talk to Caylee if she was dead..:mad: Then when the police are called, Casey is thinking > what do I tell them
The best excuse was the nanny took her! In her mind she thinks she is safe unless they find the body!!!

Anais
08-19-2008, 05:29 PM
This has come to mind a few times. Could she just be trying to hurt her parents and it went too far? I keep thinking of the MySpace entry that Casey made that sounded like she was the bad daughter. Could someone really have Caylee and now be afraid to bring her back and get in trouble?

Maybe this person was supposed to bring her back on her birthday?

Nothing in this case makes any sense. It's all very twisted and very sick.

My feeling is that Caylee is really gone but after hearing Padilla last night, I was thinking that it would be so wonderful if Caylee really is alive. I am a big believer in psychics and if what they psychics are saying is true, then my hopes that Caylee is alive are just hopes.

Your thoughts?

Yes that would be wonderful, wouldn't it???

No I don't believe that it is a set up or LE or the FBI would have found a witness or something more by this time regardless. Afterall there is a quater of a million dollars being offered and by now they would have heard about Padilla's statement!!! Although I hope and pray that she be found alive and well sadly I don't feel that will be the case.

MagnoliaMom
08-19-2008, 05:48 PM
I have moments when I think it could be a hoax by Casey geared at hurting her mom or vice versa Cindy trying to hurt Casey; that Casey killed Caylee or knows who killed her; that Caylee has been kidnapped; and on and on and on until I've come up with a scenario that is a bad novel. My brain is tired from trying to figure it out.

There are things that are so troubling about this case 1st and foremost being that Caylee is missing. I need answers to where Caylee was staying at any and all times that she was not with Cindy or Casey (a true answer that does not involve the nanny mess). There are coincidences that just seem too far stretched to actually be coincidental; Casey smiling when I can't see anything funny about any of this; Cindy smiling running with the media; code talk in those jail conversations that if that family can understand makes them a party to it all IMO; the lack of searching on LE and the family's part; the hits by the dogs....

The one thing I keep telling myself is that there are certainly missing pieces to this puzzle and that the LE MUST have some if not all of them. Hopefully they will reveal their hand at some point and the big picture will come to light. I keep holding onto that.

The bounty hunter part I have tried to stay away from. It just seems like another distraction to me. If they should really find out something or locate Caylee, it will only muddle my thoughts more as to what their involvement in all this is.

The whole thing is just horrid at Caylee's expense. Where is that baby? Why will nobody speak out for her? Why does no one closely involved seem to be crying?!

I want answers and justice for Caylee. I'm so afraid it isn't coming.

DAWN TREADER
08-19-2008, 05:55 PM
First of all, we don't really know exactly when Caylee disappeared. We only know the date and time she was last seen by anyone aside from Casey: June 16, 2008

What's interesting about that sighting is according to George Anthony in an interview with GVS, Casey was planning to drop Caylee off at the babysitters house before work. He also claims she said she may have to "work late" and if so, wouldn't be home until the next day.

Has it been confirmed that Casey was at work the night of June 16, 2008?

NighTillDawn
08-19-2008, 05:58 PM
I have moments when I think it could be a hoax by Casey geared at hurting her mom or vice versa Cindy trying to hurt Casey; that Casey killed Caylee or knows who killed her; that Caylee has been kidnapped; and on and on and on until I've come up with a scenario that is a bad novel. My brain is tired from trying to figure it out.

There are things that are so troubling about this case 1st and foremost being that Caylee is missing. I need answers to where Caylee was staying at any and all times that she was not with Cindy or Casey (a true answer that does not involve the nanny mess). There are coincidences that just seem too far stretched to actually be coincidental; Casey smiling when I can't see anything funny about any of this; Cindy smiling running with the media; code talk in those jail conversations that if that family can understand makes them a party to it all IMO; the lack of searching on LE and the family's part; the hits by the dogs....

The one thing I keep telling myself is that there are certainly missing pieces to this puzzle and that the LE MUST have some if not all of them. Hopefully they will reveal their hand at some point and the big picture will come to light. I keep holding onto that.

The bounty hunter part I have tried to stay away from. It just seems like another distraction to me. If they should really find out something or locate Caylee, it will only muddle my thoughts more as to what their involvement in all this is.

The whole thing is just horrid at Caylee's expense. Where is that baby? Why will nobody speak out for her? Why does no one closely involved seem to be crying?!

I want answers and justice for Caylee. I'm so afraid it isn't coming.

I'm afraid your right MagnoliaMom, how sad.

justathought
08-19-2008, 09:24 PM
You guys can hit me with a wet noodle. I read all the time. Seldom post but something has been bothering me. I swear I read somewhere that a film production crew in Florida was planning on doing a "real" reality show where the participants didn't know what was going on. I remember thinking then whatever the scenario, there was going to be some "annoyed" folks when it all played out. But for the life of me I can't remember where I saw that....I travel a lot with work so it could have been anywhere...print or online. So if this is it, did they set Casey up with the "babysitter"....she would have been easy to set up under the circumstances. But did the perps think she would report the missing child right away and when she didn't, it complicated things.....way out of hand by now....or was she in on it....but now maybe a deadline has passed for returning the child....like maybe the part she didn't know was the babysitter would disappear...............I know it's farfetched but it seems it would have to be some weird scenario or she's had a complete mental break over whatever did happen...disassociative personality disorder.....

angelmom
08-20-2008, 09:33 AM
You guys can hit me with a wet noodle. I read all the time. Seldom post but something has been bothering me. I swear I read somewhere that a film production crew in Florida was planning on doing a "real" reality show where the participants didn't know what was going on. I remember thinking then whatever the scenario, there was going to be some "annoyed" folks when it all played out. But for the life of me I can't remember where I saw that....I travel a lot with work so it could have been anywhere...print or online. So if this is it, did they set Casey up with the "babysitter"....she would have been easy to set up under the circumstances. But did the perps think she would report the missing child right away and when she didn't, it complicated things.....way out of hand by now....or was she in on it....but now maybe a deadline has passed for returning the child....like maybe the part she didn't know was the babysitter would disappear...............I know it's farfetched but it seems it would have to be some weird scenario or she's had a complete mental break over whatever did happen...disassociative personality disorder.....

If it were a missing adult I might go there with you, but I refuse to believe that anyone would do this to a 2yo. Regardless of how safe she is, she is not with her mother or grandparents. It is abuse. They would definitely face criminal charges and no end to the lawsuits.

ETA: No bashing from me, though. Thinking outside the box is the only way to get in Casey's mind b/c she sure isn't a normal mother!

Fandy
08-20-2008, 10:25 AM
If it were a missing adult I might go there with you, but I refuse to believe that anyone would do this to a 2yo. Regardless of how safe she is, she is not with her mother or grandparents. It is abuse. They would definitely face criminal charges and no end to the lawsuits.

ETA: No bashing from me, though. Thinking outside the box is the only way to get in Casey's mind b/c she sure isn't a normal mother!

Also, this theory doesn't fly with me because LE would never permit it...charges would be filed along with a bill to the producers? I can only imagine what this is costing the taxpayers of OC.