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CASuzk
08-19-2008, 08:30 PM
It comes in pretty colors and shapes. It's a popular party drug, sold by people one tab at time, often shows up it clubs. It would like like candy to a 3 year old if she found it in her mom's car. It would explain the silence of Casey's friends as some of them could be dealing it. It has killed children before and some young adults as well.
It would the kind of 'accident' that you wouldn't share and the question of the source would most certainly come up in an investigation of a small child's death.
http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2007/07/ex.jpg

olive
08-19-2008, 08:43 PM
I guess I can kind of see where you are coming from. But the thing is, I'm having a hard time coming up with a type of "accidental death" that Casey would STILL not call authorities, even if she was responsible for negligence (ie. pills in the car).

I keep alcohol in my home, and I tried to imagine if I came home some night and found my toddler had downed a bottle and something happened...I'D BE SO GUILT RIDDEN I'D WANT PUNISHED. So of course I'd tell on myself and call police. If your theory is correct, the fact is that Casey was apparently more consumed with covering up than feeling guilt. And that is just not normal. At all. Mistakes and accidents can happen- but caring, loving parents would feel guilt and want punished. So that leads me to believe one of two theories- either Casey was an unloving parent and killed her child, or she knows exactly where Caylee is and Caylee is alive.

CASuzk
08-19-2008, 08:51 PM
You as an adult would do that but Casey is emotionally much young than her chronological age. She is nearly 100% dependant on her parents the same way a younger teen would be.

All of her peers are finishing up college and starting careers and she's pretty much stalled out and she knows it. Having her child die from a stupid and preventable mistake would just one more screw-up, maybe one too many.
I know that one of my mother's cousins drowned as teen and his buddies didn't tell anyone what happened. Why? they were swimming in reservoir where they knew they were trespassing.

olive
08-19-2008, 08:53 PM
You know, my above post just got me thinking. What if it was alcohol? We've all heard of those youtube videos that show young parents or teenagers having their toddler sip beer or liquor or smoke marijuana and they think it's hilarious. This actually happened in my hometown with a single mom who had her child smoking marijuana at a party and videotaped it.

What if Casey was partying with friends and she or her friends had Caylee drink because they thought it was funny and Caylee had a reaction? Then Casey frantically tried calling her parents and her friends were freaking out? The friends could have starting going into "we're all going to jail, etc." and convinced Casey to cover it up. Perhaps the cover up involved multiple people who were concerned about their own involvement.

Just a thought.

MD MOMMY
08-19-2008, 08:59 PM
At this point who am I to discount anyones ideas. So with that.. anything is possible! I didn't realize ectasy looked so much like smarties, the candy!

ebrich
08-19-2008, 09:03 PM
There was a girl, from my town, who died after taken ecstacy. I am not sure if it was determined that she died b/c of the drug or b/c of too much water.
Anyways, it was a horrible story, where a friend put her in a room to sleep off feeling sick, b/c they were all on drugs and didnt want to get in trouble by takening her to the hospital and they thought she would be fine.
Her female friend found her unresponsive the next morning.
It was a horrible situation, where the boy who's home it was (his parents were out of town) and his male friends would not help the girlfriend get help for the dying/dead girl, they even pulled the phone out of the wall.
This poor girl had to drag her best friend to the car and to the hospital, where she was pronounced dead. It took a few months for the full story to finally come out.

CASuzk
08-19-2008, 09:20 PM
It is a very popular drug with the club group. It can be sold for a much as $40. a hit and it only costs about .50 cents to make.

On a good night, a guy could make his rent.

It's easy to carry a whole pocket full of it and it can also be sold to kids in club who are not old enough to drink.

Hailiejade77
08-19-2008, 09:33 PM
Maybe Caylee did get an ecstacy pill. And the person that was selling it is someone that she would not want to get into trouble,... lets say a new love interest or the new love interests friend. Because you know the first thing the police are gonna ask is Where did she get it? Who did you get it from? JMO I don't know if it is possible and I don't want to say anyone in this case is selling it but it is VERY VERY popular with kids these days. Hell it was very popular when I was 20 and that was 10 years ago!

CASuzk
08-19-2008, 10:31 PM
Ecstasy does cause hyperthermia - a rapid rise in body temperature. On a warm day, the effects would be even quicker.
My son tells me that you would have a hard time not finding it all clubs and many people prefer it over drinking or long term drug use.

Yeah, Casey could be protecting someone who was making and selling it. I could see a scenario where the child was suddenly sick and she was making phone calls before noticing that the Ecstasy was missing, then panicking and not seeking help.

CASuzk
08-19-2008, 11:18 PM
Huge bust in Florida Quote:Thousands of ecstasy pills, more than $100,000 in cash and guns were also seized during "Operation Zero Tolerance," an investigation that lasted for several years.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/deputies_arrest_60_in_drug_bust.html

There was another bust at home day care.

wallflower67
08-19-2008, 11:55 PM
There was a girl, from my town, who died after taken ecstacy. I am not sure if it was determined that she died b/c of the drug or b/c of too much water.
Anyways, it was a horrible story, where a friend put her in a room to sleep off feeling sick, b/c they were all on drugs and didnt want to get in trouble by takening her to the hospital and they thought she would be fine.
Her female friend found her unresponsive the next morning.
It was a horrible situation, where the boy who's home it was (his parents were out of town) and his male friends would not help the girlfriend get help for the dying/dead girl, they even pulled the phone out of the wall.
This poor girl had to drag her best friend to the car and to the hospital, where she was pronounced dead. It took a few months for the full story to finally come out.

I work in a hospital, and we had a young lady who took X on her wedding night. I guess if it's not made correctly, it can cause liver damage. She had serious liver damage and an organ was not available for immediate transplant. So by the time this girl was supposed to have gone on her honeymoon the next week, she was dead. Very tragic.

There's no cover up in this story. I just wanted to point out how dangerous this drug can be.

CASuzk
08-20-2008, 12:34 AM
I work in a hospital, and we had a young lady who took X on her wedding night. I guess if it's not made correctly, it can cause liver damage. She had serious liver damage and an organ was not available for immediate transplant. So by the time this girl was supposed to have gone on her honeymoon the next week, she was dead. Very tragic.

There's no cover up in this story. I just wanted to point out how dangerous this drug can be.

Oh my, how horrible that must have been for her family.

Why do people take these chances?

Couple of years ago here, a couple of really good, popular, kids went camping in the desert. One went missing and the other one was not totally truthful about what happened. It took longer than it should because the kid didn't want to tell tell what they had been doing. Volunteer searchers heading out to help were in an accident and two died. In the end the boy was found too late, dead because the kids had smoked jimson weed and he was lost in the desert. Three people dead, many lives destroyed because of simple stupidity.

Mountainmama87
08-20-2008, 01:03 AM
True scenario of an accidental overdose and the reaction any normal person would have...A guy I know was on dr. prescribed methadone. He took it, passed out, and woke up to his 22 month old daughter dead from an overdose. She had gotten his medication. He called 911 immediately but it was too late. He was convicted and served several years in prison. But his guilt was his own personal prison. He never got over it and blamed himself and recently died himself...not sure if his death was an od...but I am sure it was related to his constant guilt and seeking to numb the pain....drug use far beyond "good time partying".

My point is that accidents happen. I believe it is very possible that this case was a horrible accident. What I can't understand is ones inability to take responsibility or show any emotion if that is the case? The coldness that oozes from Casey is frightening and not normal. The only scenario that could justify her as not a psycho at this point is the little girl turning up alive and her knowing this entire time she was safe. Otherwise...accident or not, this chic is NOT right. Her coldness is so far beyond being just young and scared. Just my opinion.

my2cents
08-20-2008, 03:21 AM
It comes in pretty colors and shapes. It's a popular party drug, sold by people one tab at time, often shows up it clubs. It would like like candy to a 3 year old if she found it in her mom's car. It would explain the silence of Casey's friends as some of them could be dealing it. It has killed children before and some young adults as well.
It would the kind of 'accident' that you wouldn't share and the question of the source would most certainly come up in an investigation of a small child's death.
http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2007/07/ex.jpg

That is a great start! I have said many times that my high school friends used drugs (namely X) and I have seen it all... (I don't/haven't done any EVER, but worked in clubs where they went and saw how they acted and the drugs they took when we were all hanging out).

I can add a few to that list. I can also tell you that they usually don't think about where they put them--cigerette packs, coffee table in cig pack celephane (sic)--this is a very plausible idea.

When they are "rolling" they think everything is so "pleasant" and feels so good...if they baby walked up to them and said she felt weird, they would likely tell the baby that she just needed to go to bed because they were having fun. I have always thought X was involved. I have stood adament that she and/or her friends were selling.

my2cents
08-20-2008, 03:23 AM
Also, some are triple stacked. It would only take one to kill a small child :( I had a couple of friends die from taking 2 triple stacks. I hope to God this is not the case here.

my2cents
08-20-2008, 03:33 AM
There was a girl, from my town, who died after taken ecstacy. I am not sure if it was determined that she died b/c of the drug or b/c of too much water.
Anyways, it was a horrible story, where a friend put her in a room to sleep off feeling sick, b/c they were all on drugs and didnt want to get in trouble by takening her to the hospital and they thought she would be fine.
Her female friend found her unresponsive the next morning.
It was a horrible situation, where the boy who's home it was (his parents were out of town) and his male friends would not help the girlfriend get help for the dying/dead girl, they even pulled the phone out of the wall.
This poor girl had to drag her best friend to the car and to the hospital, where she was pronounced dead. It took a few months for the full story to finally come out.

2 of my friends died this way...everyone else was "rolling their balls off" and told my friends to go lay down...

X is an automatic felony for each pill you have where I lived. The guy dealing was there. My other friend noticed someone in the room with her, then suddenly they all started leaving.They said they were moving the party and hopped in the car and went to another apartement. My friend was dead and she was messed up trying to call the ppl that just left to come help. No one would help.

She stepped up to the plate, but it goes to show, no one wants to be involved in this. X is a very deceiving drug. The think everything is ok, when someone is dragging them down, they'll carry the party to a new place, not even thinking.

my2cents
08-20-2008, 03:42 AM
I guess I can kind of see where you are coming from. But the thing is, I'm having a hard time coming up with a type of "accidental death" that Casey would STILL not call authorities, even if she was responsible for negligence (ie. pills in the car).

I keep alcohol in my home, and I tried to imagine if I came home some night and found my toddler had downed a bottle and something happened...I'D BE SO GUILT RIDDEN I'D WANT PUNISHED. So of course I'd tell on myself and call police. If your theory is correct, the fact is that Casey was apparently more consumed with covering up than feeling guilt. And that is just not normal. At all. Mistakes and accidents can happen- but caring, loving parents would feel guilt and want punished. So that leads me to believe one of two theories- either Casey was an unloving parent and killed her child, or she knows exactly where Caylee is and Caylee is alive.

Olive, believe me, X and alcohol are 2 different things...So are the people that do both. Completely different effect to tragic events with both.

technicalconfusion
08-20-2008, 08:31 AM
What if Casey was partying with friends and she or her friends had Caylee drink because they thought it was funny and Caylee had a reaction? Then Casey frantically tried calling her parents and her friends were freaking out? The friends could have starting going into "we're all going to jail, etc." and convinced Casey to cover it up. Perhaps the cover up involved multiple people who were concerned about their own involvement.

Just a thought.

Either that or gave her alcohol to sleep.

RayStar
08-20-2008, 08:41 AM
I hope this is not the case that Caylee may have had some drugs in her system. I don't think they will find her dead or alive. I just hope since Casey will not talk that she stays:behindbar!

Stoelly
08-20-2008, 09:13 AM
Is there any evidence that Casey used drugs?

ebrich
08-20-2008, 09:53 AM
Is there any evidence that Casey used drugs?

Not that I have seen.
I have done drugs about 5-6 years ago. I know what the environment is.
But at the time I was a reckless teenager. (thank god I am not that dumb anymore)
My family had no idea I was doing ecstacy. But I am sure another ecstacy user would have known. But we were also 17-19 and very dumb about covering it up, we almost thought it was cool to make known.
I'm saying this, because, NONE of the pictures I have seen seem like ecstacy. No rolling eyes, people flopped on each other, ecstacy accessories, etc. But they might just be 'smarter' and know to hide it and not share pictures on 'e' parties.
AS far as the pictures of fusian, they people in the pictures seem way too put together (body language, facial expressions)to be on E.

WhitneyLea
08-20-2008, 10:34 AM
Wow ... maybe I'm just naive, but I had NO idea X was still so popular. I'm about Casey's age and I've done plenty of clubbing, but never have I known ANYone who's done X, nor have I ever been offered it! I don't even think I would know it if I saw it. I know plenty of people my age and in my area are into marijuana and some cocaine ... but that's about it. Or maybe I just run with a more "innocent" crowd?

not_my_kids
08-22-2008, 06:09 AM
Anyone that wants more info on X, from a firsthand point of view, feel free to contact me, recovering addict for 3 years next month.
I will honestly say, though, if Casey was using this particular drug, it was very occasionally, at the most. I see none of the signs.

passionflower
08-22-2008, 09:04 AM
This accident just happened in Pittsburgh,PA......baby saved, but toddler fed baby anti depressants like candy while mom slept. Mom lost kids and on way to jail. Can happen so quick.
Those pills in picture sure look like candy if you are 2 years old!

January.
08-22-2008, 09:04 AM
This is exactly what I was trying to get at yesterday, but nobody ever listens to me argh! With the way Tony the boyfriend spells his MySpace display name, it makes me think that they are into ecstacy. I've known so many clubbers who spelled their names and nicknames in that way to reference the drug.

My theory stands that Caylee got into mommy's pill stash, whether it be Xanax or E.

CASuzk
08-22-2008, 11:19 AM
This is exactly what I was trying to get at yesterday, but nobody ever listens to me argh! With the way Tony the boyfriend spells his MySpace display name, it makes me think that they are into ecstacy. I've known so many clubbers who spelled their names and nicknames in that way to reference the drug.

My theory stands that Caylee got into mommy's pill stash, whether it be Xanax or E.

I missed the part the part about Tony's spelling on his myspace, but yes, that could be a clue.
I know others have said the photos don't look like people on E but many clubbers only use it very sporadically. And yes, if she was selling it or helping someone sell it, she may not even be using it herself.

A.Wood
08-22-2008, 11:28 AM
Its one NASTY pill, any theory is possible.


It comes in pretty colors and shapes. It's a popular party drug, sold by people one tab at time, often shows up it clubs. It would like like candy to a 3 year old if she found it in her mom's car. It would explain the silence of Casey's friends as some of them could be dealing it. It has killed children before and some young adults as well.
It would the kind of 'accident' that you wouldn't share and the question of the source would most certainly come up in an investigation of a small child's death.
http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2007/07/ex.jpg

A.Wood
08-22-2008, 11:30 AM
The taste is worse than aspirin...definetly not candy but yes a child could think the design on the pill and the color could be candy.


At this point who am I to discount anyones ideas. So with that.. anything is possible! I didn't realize ectasy looked so much like smarties, the candy!

Cagney
08-22-2008, 11:32 AM
I have been thinking about X also.
Over the weekend, I was out at a little whole in the wall bar with some friends and these two teeny boppers walked in off the street. They were really out of place in the bar, it really isn't the coed kinda place. Anyway my friend and I stepped out to have a smoke (you can no longer smoke in bars here) and the chicks followed us out and asked us if we knew where they could get some X. Like seriously just walked right up and asked us flat out.
I kind of caught me off guard for a couple different reasons. 1. Never in my life had I ever seen what X looks like until this thread. and 2. I have never seen anyone looking to score drugs so brazen in my life. Most people looking to score use code words and generally dont walk up to complete strangers in a bar they have never been to before.

Seeing them got me kinda wondering about Casey. I still think that there is something to the Xanax/Zanny the Nanny thing maybe though too.

momsickle
08-22-2008, 12:14 PM
my2cents - a sad story of your friend.....I'm sorry.
This is probably "profiling" about a bad crowd, but did you see the photo of Casey being hugged by some guy with a prison tat " K I L L" on his fingers? And the look he's giving her - really creepy...

vanluna
08-22-2008, 12:18 PM
The drug theory is a good theory. Caylee could have accidently found X, Xanax, or Cocaine and consumed it. However I think Casey may have given her Xanax, Benadryl, or Nyquil so she would pass out and Casey could party. Maybe Casey OD'd her on one of the three.

Saffron
08-22-2008, 04:12 PM
This is an interesting theory. But I think if Caylee accidentally overdosed on Casey's drugs, Casey would have called 911 (and just lied about how the drugs got into her purse). I can't imagine she would immediately think of advantages to Caylee being gone, or worry that much about being caught witih drugs. (Again, she could always lie about how the drugs got in her purse or wherever.)

For those who think maybe Casey sedated Caylee so she could party, where would she have kept Caylee after sedating her? I can't imagine anyone, even Casey, leaving a toddler passed out in a car. Wouldn't she have just gotten a sitter or asked Cindy to watch her if she wanted to go out? Even if for no other reason than someone might see Caylee in the car at night and wonder about it.

I can't imagine this being an accidental death, only because I think after such a shock, even Casey couldn't have been so calm and collected in the days thereafter.