View Full Version : Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #108
Blink34
08-20-2008, 01:09 AM
Thread #107
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2525248#post2525248
Blink34
08-20-2008, 01:10 AM
Originally Posted by christine2448
Look around Caylee has a FORUM, (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166) there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.
Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.
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Originally Posted by MD MOMMY
I don't know about this site BUT I frequent a birth club site..that discusses rasing children etc. and a girl there got busted on neglect b/c she posted some whacked stuff..so again I don't know about this site but it happened on another one that I'm a part of.
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Originally Posted by RoseRed
I use to be on topix forum and topix was subpoenaed for information and a gentleman was sued for accusing a person of murder. That did actually happen so I know LE can get the information and YOU can be sued for stating something as a FACT when it is not true
Shutterfly
08-20-2008, 01:10 AM
Thanks Blinky
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:13 AM
Thankies Blinkster.
Openmyeyes
08-20-2008, 01:13 AM
Thanks Blink!
mydailyopinions
08-20-2008, 01:16 AM
Goodnight you all..
I hope for today that something will lead to this child!
I respect each and every one of you for caring the way you do..and I know in my heart that this child will find peace..
:)
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:17 AM
nice catch, sweetwater! I have 2 new things from todays board..1st was blink about jesse (and mommya handing off a link) 2nd was sweetwaters catch, l feel happy I have 2 new clues I didn't have before :)
Ezryder9
08-20-2008, 01:17 AM
Thanks Blink! Now, a question--Does anyone find it odd that the bondsman brought his own bounty hunter with him? Seems like he might have had a premonition that he would have to look for a bond jumper, you think??
Openmyeyes
08-20-2008, 01:17 AM
Sweetwater, there was speculation either yesterday or the day before regarding the company that has posted the reward. The owner of this company does have a telemarketing company and some other not so nice ventures that involve phone work.
I'll find the link and be back. You might be on to something. I don't recall that specific statement being referenced. Back in a minute.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:19 AM
niters, daily...sweet dreams :)
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:20 AM
Thanks Blink! Now, a question--Does anyone find it odd that the bondsman brought his own bounty hunter with him? Seems like he might have had a premonition that he would have to look for a bond jumper, you think??
I don't find it odd. They all work together, much like (I certainly hate bringing these names up. lol) Dog, his wife Beth, and their sons/crew.
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 01:22 AM
Thanks Blink! Now, a question--Does anyone find it odd that the bondsman brought his own bounty hunter with him? Seems like he might have had a premonition that he would have to look for a bond jumper, you think??
The BH is the uncle of the bondsman. The BH talked the bondsman into getting involved. Look at the Tony Padilla thread.
mommya
08-20-2008, 01:22 AM
I want to carry over sweetwater's post -
Originally Posted by sweetwater
This is from the transcript of a call between Casey and Lee on July 26th. I just discovered what I think is an interesting clue, which is the last line I have marked in bold.
Doesn't this sound as if Casey is implying that Zanaida, or whoever is being called Zanaida, might have worked at some kind of call center? Why would someone have different numbers, different area codes, at different times within the same day? Sounds like a Telemarketing gig.
CASEY: Um, the last number she called me from was a 954 number, which is a Fort Lauderdale number? I know because (NAME) number is also a similar area code. She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number, there’s been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days; but it just depended on the number that she had at the time
You know we were talking about the telemarketing shady # stuff last night but we did not think of it in terms of Casey. She could be telling the truth because when you recieve these bogus calls and you try to call the # back they give you messages like they've been disconnected or you just can't call them back at all. Hmmn.
jd_martin
08-20-2008, 01:23 AM
Thanks Blink! Now, a question--Does anyone find it odd that the bondsman brought his own bounty hunter with him? Seems like he might have had a premonition that he would have to look for a bond jumper, you think??
They are related. Why wouldnt a guy putting 500k at risk want a little insurance.
cuppy199
08-20-2008, 01:23 AM
Goodnight you all..
I hope for today that something will lead to this child!
I respect each and every one of you for caring the way you do..and I know in my heart that this child will find peace..
:)
Night:)
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:24 AM
was it Nancy Grace show that didn't get all the info on the *reward* stuff etc right?
They were giving all credit to one ..kid finders, I think, and saying it's all legit. (sorry was dealing with homelife during shows) and thought the legit fer sure non-profit like 10,000 plus signs etc? The rest was from stuff that's been kicked around at WS as questionable and they don't have a non-profit status yet?
Thanks for bringing that up, OME.
Blink34
08-20-2008, 01:25 AM
I don't find it odd. They all work together, much like (I certainly hate bringing these names up. lol) Dog, his wife Beth, and their sons/crew.
LOL, in a bystander kinda way, I just love them, I do not watch their show I should say, but I saw Dog on Gerlado eat Baez's lunch, it was classic.
They have to work together for licensing reasons, always.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:25 AM
I've wondered many times how much truth there was to the "only 1 sims card" story. It would make more sense if there was the 2nd phone with a 2nd phone number and it's own sims card. We already know not to believe anything we hear Casey say.
Beagle1
08-20-2008, 01:25 AM
From Previous thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetwater
This is from the transcript of a call between Casey and Lee on July 26th. I just discovered what I think is an interesting clue, which is the last line I have marked in bold.
Doesn't this sound as if Casey is implying that Zanaida, or whoever is being called Zanaida, might have worked at some kind of call center? Why would someone have different numbers, different area codes, at different times within the same day? Sounds like a Telemarketing gig.
CASEY: Um, the last number she called me from was a 954 number, which is a Fort Lauderdale number? I know because (NAME) number is also a similar area code. She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number, there’s been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days; but it just depended on the number that she had at the time
__________________________________________________ _____________
I noticed that also. At the same time, I wanted to ask Casey, what number did she use to call ZG. That question wasn't asked. Why wouldn't she have ZG's number? She couldn't give it to LE either.
DianeB
08-20-2008, 01:26 AM
I don't find it odd. They all work together, much like (I certainly hate bringing these names up. lol) Dog, his wife Beth, and their sons/crew.Wasn't the genesis of this that Leonard Padilla had been following the case and got his nephew to agree to handle the bond?
I'm unclear as to how the 3rd party fits in - did the unnamed journalist contact LP before he spoke to his nephew, thus triggering TP's involvement, or were they discussing this already on their own?
distracted
08-20-2008, 01:26 AM
Sweetwater, there was speculation either yesterday or the day before regarding the company that has posted the reward. The owner of this company does have a telemarketing company and some other not so nice ventures that involve phone work.
I'll find the link and be back. You might be on to something. I don't recall that specific statement being referenced. Back in a minute.
That thread was locked and appears to have been deleted. I don't know if we can talk about it or not.
TURBOTHINK
08-20-2008, 01:29 AM
Sweetwater, there was speculation either yesterday or the day before regarding the company that has posted the reward. The owner of this company does have a telemarketing company and some other not so nice ventures that involve phone work.
I'll find the link and be back. You might be on to something. I don't recall that specific statement being referenced. Back in a minute.
I would be very interested in that information. Please post the link as soon as you can find it. Thanks.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:30 AM
LOL, in a bystander kinda way, I just love them, I do not watch their show I should say, but I saw Dog on Gerlado eat Baez's lunch, it was classic.
They have to work together for licensing reasons, always.
I try to put names out there lightly since there will always be someone that doesn't like whoever. lol.. I used to watch Dog. I haven't in a while because I've become addicted to The First 48. When that's not on, I'm on Fox News. Sad.. yes, I have a sad, sad life now. :bang: All this and trying to work my own cases has me running full time just to keep up.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:30 AM
I would have to go back and read forever, but I thought it was L Padilla that was contacted 1st, That's just recall and too tired/lazy atm to read back to find it for certain, Diane.
jd_martin
08-20-2008, 01:31 AM
I try to put names out there lightly since there will always be someone that doesn't like whoever. lol.. I used to watch Dog. I haven't in a while because I've become addicted to The First 48. When that's not on, I'm on Fox News. Sad.. yes, I have a sad, sad life now. :bang: All this and trying to work my own cases has me running full time just to keep up.
OT sorry. The First 48 and Intervention are my fav! :)
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 01:32 AM
I've wondered many times how much truth there was to the "only 1 sims card" story. It would make more sense if there was the 2nd phone with a 2nd phone number and it's own sims card. We already know not to believe anything we hear Casey say.
If Casey says it's sunny.... bring an umbrella. lol
It doesn't make much difference, the phone company has all the records anyway.
I suppose the only headache would be finding out about any phones Casey might NOT tell LE she had..... hope they checked the records for 'secret' phones & from various companies also.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:32 AM
Wasn't the genesis of this that Leonard Padilla had been following the case and got his nephew to agree to handle the bond?
I'm unclear as to how the 3rd party fits in - did the unnamed journalist contact LP before he spoke to his nephew, thus triggering TP's involvement, or were they discussing this already on their own?
I don't have any direct links of proof, but I took it that Baez put a 3rd party up to contacting LP, who in turn talked to his nephew TP about joining up and heading to Orlando.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 01:32 AM
Brought this over so I could reply here.
Yes, they never came out & NAMED him.... only said he died in a car accident.
I guess the question is.... how many classmates of Casey died in car accidents in 2004? She & many of her friends posted on HIS MySpace page.
Anyway, that's typical of Casey.... say something vague & force people to prove you wrong & you keep 'em coming back for more.
What better victim than someone who's dead... is HE going to challenge your tale? :rolleyes:
More than one class mate died in a car accident in 2006 the same year JO died.
The supposed father died in NC not FL which was OUR mistake not the Anthony's so for this one we must take the blame. I definitely share that blame myself because I started the link to JO's obit. which I feel really bad about doing.
Blink34
08-20-2008, 01:33 AM
nice catch, sweetwater! I have 2 new things from todays board..1st was blink about jesse (and mommya handing off a link) 2nd was sweetwaters catch, l feel happy I have 2 new clues I didn't have before :)
How good are you to take "away" from the day.. :blowkiss:
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:33 AM
If Casey says it's sunny.... bring an umbrella. lol
It doesn't make much difference, the phone company has all the records anyway.
I suppose the only headache would be finding out about any phones Casey might NOT tell LE she had..... hope they checked the records for 'secret' phones & from various companies also.
Exactly, that's what I was talking about. If there was a phone from a different account, LE won't necessarily know about it.
Paladine
08-20-2008, 01:34 AM
I would have to go back and read forever, but I thought it was L Padilla that was contacted 1st, That's just recall and too tired/lazy atm to read back to find it for certain, Diane.
I recall the same. New York contacted L. Padilla, L. Padilla contacted T Padilla and Baez. That's one story I heard, anyways...don't know how true it is, stories seem to change.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 01:34 AM
My daughter and her boyfriend just walked in the door. She's 19, and he's 21. The first thing out of their mouths was, "Mom, you're so obsessed with this Casey thing." I said, "no it's actually a Caylee thing." The kids said, "well they keep showing just the mother and her myspace pictures." We talked about that for a minute and my advice to them was this. Set your myspaces to private because if you or one of your friends ever gets caught up in a high profile case the media will hunt you down and try to involve you. The people on these blogs will let their minds run wild and wonder if you have anything to do with your friends crime. In other words, you have no privacy. Those photo's you have playing beer pong will be plastered all over the net. That picture of you in your lowcut black dress will be the hot topic on NG's show. Those 80 pictures of you on your myspace will be spread all over the net. They didn't believe me until I went into the Casey's pictures link on this sight and showed them. They were shocked to see that they even got her entire photo bucket account out there of Casey, and only a dozen or so pictures of Caylee for everybody to see.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:34 AM
didn't it come out the calls of the 15th, there were none of the prefixes Casey spoke of? There may have been one but it was Amy? Psh, foggy and too addicted to let my tired butt get off the puter.
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 01:34 AM
I would be very interested in that information. Please post the link as soon as you can find it. Thanks.
IIRC, the info was found by Googling the phone number & that showed links to all sorts of different businesses.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 01:35 AM
Thanks Blink! Now, a question--Does anyone find it odd that the bondsman brought his own bounty hunter with him? Seems like he might have had a premonition that he would have to look for a bond jumper, you think??
The bounty hunter put up the $50,000 .
Paladine
08-20-2008, 01:35 AM
I don't have any direct links of proof, but I took it that Baez put a 3rd party up to contacting LP, who in turn talked to his nephew TP about joining up and heading to Orlando.
Hmm...so it was Baez, New York, Padilla, Padilla? Hmmm...wonder if the 50,000 is coming from New York?
Beagle1
08-20-2008, 01:35 AM
Exactly, that's what I was talking about. If there was a phone from a different account, LE won't necessarily know about it.
The account would have to be billed to someone... if it was not a prepaid sim.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:37 AM
LOL Blink...with this case I'm taking out loans on tomorrow! I can't hardly pull myself away from this computer and my eyes hurt! Sheesh, my neighbors will soon think I'm on drugs, were they to notice my eyes!
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 01:37 AM
I've wondered many times how much truth there was to the "only 1 sims card" story. It would make more sense if there was the 2nd phone with a 2nd phone number and it's own sims card. We already know not to believe anything we hear Casey say.
Exactly what I have been thinking.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 01:37 AM
nice catch, sweetwater! I have 2 new things from todays board..1st was blink about jesse (and mommya handing off a link) 2nd was sweetwaters catch, l feel happy I have 2 new clues I didn't have before :)
Yea! It's nice, isn't it, to find something that seems new and a line to work on, especially late at night.
Thinking about it, it may relate to those discoveries about the Corporation that has some murky link to the search. Hmm.
Also, it just dawned on me that some of the party pictures, like the one with the pole in it and the ones with Casey in the green T-top sitting on that tatoo guy's lap, look like they could be a break room for a cheezy boiler room operation.
Blink34
08-20-2008, 01:38 AM
Brought this over so I could reply here.
More than one class mate died in a car accident in 2006 the same year JO died.
The supposed father died in NC not FL which was OUR mistake not the Anthony's so for this one we must take the blame. I definitely share that blame myself because I started the link to JO's obit. which I feel really bad about doing.
I agree that the ANthony's said the father died last year in the Carolinas, and Padilla (LE) said the fam told him that, but I am on record that I believe JO is the father, if that is any concellation
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 01:39 AM
My daughter and her boyfriend just walked in the door. She's 19, and he's 21. The first thing out of their mouths was, "Mom, you're so obsessed with this Casey thing." I said, "no it's actually a Caylee thing." The kids said, "well they keep showing just the mother and her myspace pictures." We talked about that for a minute and my advice to them was this. Set your myspaces to private because if you or one of your friends ever gets caught up in a high profile case the media will hunt you down and try to involve you. The people on these blogs will let their minds run wild and wonder if you have anything to do with your friends crime. In other words, you have no privacy. Those photo's you have playing beer pong will be plastered all over the net. That picture of you in your lowcut black dress will be the hot topic on NG's show. Those 80 pictures of you on your myspace will be spread all over the net. They didn't believe me until I went into the Casey's pictures link on this sight and showed them. They were shocked to see that they even got her entire photo bucket account out there of Casey, and only a dozen or so pictures of Caylee for everybody to see.
Good advice, mom.
What do you want to bet they walked out of the room & said, "Can you believe how PARANOID she is?!" And laughed at you? lol
Kids! Sheesh.
But I think they made a great point.... it's ALL about Casey. I blame that on Cindy especially for her endless defending of Casey's crazy lies.... THAT became a much more interesting story than just another missing girl.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 01:40 AM
CASEY: Um, the last number she called me from was a 954 number, which is a Fort Lauderdale number? I know because (NAME) number is also a similar area code. She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number, there’s been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days; but it just depended on the number that she had at the time.
I wouldn't read into that too much........everything Casey says is a lie. I bet none of those numbers are on the record!!!
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 01:40 AM
I would be very interested in that information. Please post the link as soon as you can find it. Thanks.
There is so much we can not talk about it will be hard to ever come up with valid scenarios other than Casey did it.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 01:40 AM
Sweetwater, there was speculation either yesterday or the day before regarding the company that has posted the reward. The owner of this company does have a telemarketing company and some other not so nice ventures that involve phone work.
I'll find the link and be back. You might be on to something. I don't recall that specific statement being referenced. Back in a minute.
I'll be looking for you. Thanks!
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 01:40 AM
I agree that the ANthony's said the father died last year in the Carolinas, and Padilla (LE) said the fam told him that, but I am on record that I believe JO is the father, if that is any concellation
Since were on that topic. Wasn't FHP going to get the DNA from that accident and test it for paternity? And didn't the family hire an atty - IIRC he was on one of the talking heads shows awhile back. Wonder what came of all that? Paternity tests don't take any time at all.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:41 AM
As for the shady organization and telemarketing stuff, here's the link. I'm the one that started that madness. I haven't followed up on it anymore, but it was sure something to look into at the moment.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2516455#post2516455
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:41 AM
Cindy made the father situation on Greta about as clear as mud. I got the impression on Greata he's alive but uninvolved in Caylee's life. He started a family of his own, didn't sound real dead to me.
Blink34
08-20-2008, 01:43 AM
Since were on that topic. Wasn't FHP going to get the DNA from that accident and test it for paternity? And didn't the family hire an atty - IIRC he was on one of the talking heads shows awhile back. Wonder what came of all that? Paternity tests don't take any time at all.
Swag, there is a paternity thread, but since we are on topic for the moment, yes the Ortiz family has hired a family attorney, and yes, they may request a paternity test, in fact, I expect it.
However, FHP was not obligated to preform that test at this time, I believe they just alerted to JO blood sample..
Beagle1
08-20-2008, 01:44 AM
Cindy made the father situation on Greta about as clear as mud. I got the impression on Greata he's alive but uninvolved in Caylee's life. He started a family of his own, didn't sound real dead to me.
Alive and possibly married, to me.
OneLostGrl
08-20-2008, 01:45 AM
My daughter and her boyfriend just walked in the door. She's 19, and he's 21. The first thing out of their mouths was, "Mom, you're so obsessed with this Casey thing." I said, "no it's actually a Caylee thing." The kids said, "well they keep showing just the mother and her myspace pictures." We talked about that for a minute and my advice to them was this. Set your myspaces to private because if you or one of your friends ever gets caught up in a high profile case the media will hunt you down and try to involve you. The people on these blogs will let their minds run wild and wonder if you have anything to do with your friends crime. In other words, you have no privacy. Those photo's you have playing beer pong will be plastered all over the net. That picture of you in your lowcut black dress will be the hot topic on NG's show. Those 80 pictures of you on your myspace will be spread all over the net. They didn't believe me until I went into the Casey's pictures link on this sight and showed them. They were shocked to see that they even got her entire photo bucket account out there of Casey, and only a dozen or so pictures of Caylee for everybody to see.
I am almost never shocked anymore by the things people put on the internet and leave wide open for the entire world to see. Photobucket is the worst because most people don't even know there is a way to make it private.
AutomaticAuttie
08-20-2008, 01:45 AM
Has any one ever seen the show "the wire" on HBO? This is what I am thinking about the phones with different area codes. It's not telemarketing, but throw away phones that aren't tracable. You can buy them at mini marts with pre-paid minutes.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:46 AM
As for the shady organization and telemarketing stuff, here's the link. I'm the one that started that madness. I haven't followed up on it anymore, but it was sure something to look into at the moment.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2516455#post2516455
Quoting myself here because I did get something wrong on that posting originally. The NLHF did NOT put up a reward, but they did donate t-shirts and flyers and such.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 01:46 AM
OT sorry. The First 48 and Intervention are my fav! :)
I am also a fan of the First 48. That's why I cant for the life of me figure out why the LE is just taking everyone's word for it that they don't know where Caylee is. What if they're lying?
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 01:47 AM
I agree that the ANthony's said the father died last year in the Carolinas, and Padilla (LE) said the fam told him that, but I am on record that I believe JO is the father, if that is any concellation
Question..... WHEN did they suddenly specify the father supposedly died in North Carolina?
At the beginning they simply said he died in a car accident & they don't remember his name..... then later I think they said they know his name BUT won't reveal it.
I'm just wondering if the "North Carolina" story started AFTER the Ortiz family hired a lawyer?
krimekat
08-20-2008, 01:47 AM
My daughter and her boyfriend just walked in the door. She's 19, and he's 21. The first thing out of their mouths was, "Mom, you're so obsessed with this Casey thing." I said, "no it's actually a Caylee thing." The kids said, "well they keep showing just the mother and her myspace pictures." We talked about that for a minute and my advice to them was this. Set your myspaces to private because if you or one of your friends ever gets caught up in a high profile case the media will hunt you down and try to involve you. The people on these blogs will let their minds run wild and wonder if you have anything to do with your friends crime. In other words, you have no privacy. Those photo's you have playing beer pong will be plastered all over the net. That picture of you in your lowcut black dress will be the hot topic on NG's show. Those 80 pictures of you on your myspace will be spread all over the net. They didn't believe me until I went into the Casey's pictures link on this sight and showed them. They were shocked to see that they even got her entire photo bucket account out there of Casey, and only a dozen or so pictures of Caylee for everybody to see.
Very Scary isn't it?
mommya
08-20-2008, 01:47 AM
I would be very interested in that information. Please post the link as soon as you can find it. Thanks.
The link to the telemaketing stuff we talked about last night was a guy named Parris(c)h Mateo. Long story short - I think he was registered as head guy for the folks who offered the reward for caylee. He has some very shady telemarketing scam type stuff linked to him.
You know those calls you get saying in automated voice or not - that we can lower your interest rates or whatever. Well they are fraud eminating from his business.
I was just now searching a bit more on that and found this page on people search (But I have not paid to join and get more info.) http://www.peoplefinders.com/summary.asp?fn=Parrish&ln=Mateo&utm_source=naymz&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=namesearch&bac=naymz&link=MI_btn
When I googled that assoc. name Mateo, Ruben P - it came up with a link to Orlando too. Weird that this guy has links in Oviedo, Orlando, and New York?
I'm not a great slueth - but this has me interested and I may look some more.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 01:48 AM
I am almost never shocked anymore by the things people put on the internet and leave wide open for the entire world to see. Photobucket is the worst because most people don't even know there is a way to make it private.
It's too late for Casey now.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 01:49 AM
Good advice, mom.
What do you want to bet they walked out of the room & said, "Can you believe how PARANOID she is?!" And laughed at you? lol
Kids! Sheesh.
But I think they made a great point.... it's ALL about Casey. I blame that on Cindy especially for her endless defending of Casey's crazy lies.... THAT became a much more interesting story than just another missing girl.
Well..they know I'm paranoid. I have my own myspace so I can monitor their myspace. Incidentely, I know more about setting up a myspace then they do, because I've spent hours putting my business on that site for networking. I found it to be a little odd that when LE dropped Casey off at home after interogating her for hours she took a shower and hung out with Cindy setting up a Caylee's missing myspace. I think if that was me I'd be running around like a lunitic with my mom to every place I thought my baby could be. Oh yeah, that's what moms do who are not guilty of a crime. :rolleyes:
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 01:49 AM
I agree that the ANthony's said the father died last year in the Carolinas, and Padilla (LE) said the fam told him that, but I am on record that I believe JO is the father, if that is any concellation
Why do people think that that is the one piece of gospel truth that came from Casey's lips? Casey could have had a one night stand with some tourist or a college boy (she seems to have a thing for them) and not even exchanged names.
I really don't think she knows who the father is. I have another theory about it, but it wouldn't help Caylee to post it on the web.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:49 AM
I agree Beagle. I mean come on, miss a period and you look back. Well, unless she was layin' it down like Nascar. She's young and I'm no saint..how may could it have been in a month?
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 01:49 AM
I want to carry over sweetwater's post -
You know we were talking about the telemarketing shady # stuff last night but we did not think of it in terms of Casey. She could be telling the truth because when you recieve these bogus calls and you try to call the # back they give you messages like they've been disconnected or you just can't call them back at all. Hmmn.
Well, you know, what has had me wondering since I started listening to the Anthony's communication, and listening to this call between Lee and Casey, has always been how non chalant Lee is about her cryptic references. He didn't even "blink" when she went into the whole different phone numbers depending on the time of day thing. He must have known something about what she was up to. And all of the mystery names- it has seemed to me that those could be names people use if they work on phones.
I dunno, but I think there's something to it.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 01:53 AM
Yesterday, 10:31 PM
absolut
Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla has been on every show he can be on all night including Greta. In each of these shows, what could be the "new" defense story had started to blossom via Leonard's casual remarks. The following assumes you know several things about this case thus far before reading further:
1. Who Casey called that wasn't a family member on June 16th (3 friends)
2. Where some of those people may have been or are at the present time (Georgia and Puerto Rico)
3. Which of these people are or were former law enforcement
In nearly every interview Leonard Padilla gave this evening, those pieces of information relate directly to the statements he made about what he believed may have happened and why he thinks Caylee is alive. As Casey's attorney Jose Baez said last night on Greta, the explanation of why Casey did not report Caylee missing for 31 days "would be covered in his opening statement" -- we think Leonard gave mondo hints about what that statement might contain tonight. For example:
* Leonard said that he believed Casey gave her to a "friend" (who isn't the Gonzalez chick Casey named long ago) for a couple of days who didn't bring her back
* He alluded to "Georgia" and "Puerto Rico" as where folks could be who have or have had Caylee
* Jose's co-council Mike Walsh said in an MSNBC interview a couple weeks ago that one of Casey's closest friends "had mental issues"
* Casey doesn't trust law enforcement
The allusion here is that one of the 3 friends would still have Caylee. (In weaving this tale, all defense parties involved would have to completely discount the car and it's contents - which we believe they have done for a while). In a murder or manslaughter defense to cast reasonable doubt, those friends would need to have an alibi for some period of time on June 16th when Caylee went missing. God forbid any of those people babysat Caylee on that day, or even just saw Casey and Caylee together that afternoon of June 16. Start thinking about it, folks. We can see this one coming, and why shouldn't we? Casey's been in jail for a month and had lots of time to create a new drama. This time though, it's going to affect people around her who DO know her.
I completely agree with all of that.
Question tho, who was the third friend? IIRC she called Amy and Jessie but I can't remember the other one. I don't recall Tony being one of them. For some reason I was thinking it was some sort of business.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 01:54 AM
From Previous thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetwater
This is from the transcript of a call between Casey and Lee on July 26th. I just discovered what I think is an interesting clue, which is the last line I have marked in bold.
Doesn't this sound as if Casey is implying that Zanaida, or whoever is being called Zanaida, might have worked at some kind of call center? Why would someone have different numbers, different area codes, at different times within the same day? Sounds like a Telemarketing gig.
CASEY: Um, the last number she called me from was a 954 number, which is a Fort Lauderdale number? I know because (NAME) number is also a similar area code. She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number, there’s been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days; but it just depended on the number that she had at the time
__________________________________________________ _____________
I noticed that also. At the same time, I wanted to ask Casey, what number did she use to call ZG. That question wasn't asked. Why wouldn't she have ZG's number? She couldn't give it to LE either.
You can't call into a call center. I have tried to return telemarketers calls and it doesn't work. And they change their call out numbers, depending on which area or region they are supposed to be canvassing throughout the day or night.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 01:55 AM
LOL I have a myspace for the sole reason of being on my kids and watching it. Figure too when *mom* is a friend it's kinda a lamer :p Kiddo is my only friend, according to myspace :)
AutomaticAuttie
08-20-2008, 01:55 AM
I completely agree with all of that.
Question tho, who was the third friend? IIRC she called Amy and Jessie but I can't remember the other one. I don't recall Tony being one of them. For some reason I was thinking it was some sort of business.
Very Good!
unravel
08-20-2008, 01:55 AM
bringing over from the last thread because by the time i got around to posting, it was closed.
and really if Casey was heading to Fusian on the 27th and dumping her car, and staying at TonE's why would she be asking Jesse to go to the beach? Even Casey might call BS on that.
I think she was just trying to drum up a place to stay. No wait. That and/or I think she was hoping to use the beach invite to set some kind of story involving Caylee's disappearance into play. IIRC, she'd told people Caylee was at the beach with the nanny at that point. I think she was going to try to spin the "nanny stole her!" thing, and thought JG's presence would benefit her somehow (Maybe she thought it'd mean less scrutiny or something because of his LE ties). The 'free this weekend' thing makes me think she planned on going somewhere like Daytona, knocking on a random motel room door and feigning shock when some 350lb guy in speedos answered.
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Do we know when Tony left for NY? Given the fact he was back on 7/5, I'm assuming it was that Friday or Sat (6/27, 6/28). Probably the 28th, but she seemed pretty eager to get people to join her @ Fusian on the 27th. I don't think that would have been the case if Tony was sure to be around [and from what I've seen, the volume of 'invites' she sent out wasn't as high before that point] ).
I wonder if she ditched the car on the 27th not because of the smell, but because it provided a reason to stay at Tony's a bit longer. ("Dad's taking it to the mechanic, should be done soon, he'll give me a call and pick me up... OMG, where is he? ... Looks like C will have to take you to the airport. .. I'll just stay here and have so-and-so pick me up because it's so late. Makes more sense to stay here and get ready for the club. You don't mind, do you?"). She may not have ironed out a place to stay by then, and figured she'd just tag along with a friend when the night was through. She might have left the car for a few days to cover thta lie, and gone back Monday (6/30) to retrieve it, only to find that it was gone.
If she found out that it'd been towed, maybe she eventually stole the $400 thinking she'd use that money to get it out of impound.
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 01:55 AM
Well..they know I'm paranoid. I have my own myspace so I can monitor their myspace. Incidentely, I know more about setting up a myspace then they do, because I've spent hours putting my business on that site for networking. I found it to be a little odd that when LE dropped Casey off at home after interogating her for hours she took a shower and hung out with Cindy setting up a Caylee's missing myspace. I think if that was me I'd be running around like a lunitic with my mom to every place I thought my baby could be. Oh yeah, that's what moms do who are not guilty of a crime. :rolleyes:
Kids might know we're paranoid but they STILL laugh at us behind our backs. How do I know? Because WE used to do the same thing with our parents. lol
I'm just kind of shocked Cindy didn't drag Casey to Fusian to help her "investigate" further. :rolleyes:
Obviously their phones must have been out of service because nobody though to call a missing children's organization either.
peace9274
08-20-2008, 01:57 AM
I just heard a noise coming from my kitchen. I looked over and saw that one of my 2 cats had gotten on the counter, (which he never had done before) knocked a small container of pet treats off onto the floor. My other cat and my dog were trying to open it.
Poor neglected things... having to fend for themselves, now that their Mom is so engrossed in this case and ignoring them!!
liltigress
08-20-2008, 01:58 AM
O/T Bigfoot in the freezer turned out to be a fake. It was a costume with rubber feet. I'm crushed!
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 01:58 AM
Very Scary isn't it?
Yes it is!!! I have over 800 pictures in my photo bucket account. My God if NG got her hands on those and I was involved in a crime I'd be a monster, lol. There's some pictures of me as a pregnant nun last halloween........yikes! I have pictures of my friends and I playing beer pong and we are all in our 40's. Could you just imagine the story they would get out of that? :rolleyes:
AutomaticAuttie
08-20-2008, 01:59 AM
o/t bigfoot in the freezer turned out to be a fake. It was a costume with rubber feet. I'm crushed!
lol:)
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 01:59 AM
oh no say it isn't so!!!o/t bigfoot in the freezer turned out to be a fake. It was a costume with rubber feet. I'm crushed!
Blink34
08-20-2008, 02:00 AM
Why do people think that that is the one piece of gospel truth that came from Casey's lips? Casey could have had a one night stand with some tourist or a college boy (she seems to have a thing for them) and not even exchanged names.
I really don't think she knows who the father is. I have another theory about it, but it wouldn't help Caylee to post it on the web.
My opinion has zero to do with anything that came from Casey, in fact, if she admitted Jo was the father, I would re-evaluate my position. As it were, my opinion is based on my research and opinion.
impatientredhead
08-20-2008, 02:00 AM
I am also a fan of the First 48. That's why I cant for the life of me figure out why the LE is just taking everyone's word for it that they don't know where Caylee is. What if they're lying?
We don't know what LE is doing or taking at someone's word.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 02:00 AM
Yesterday, 10:43 PM
suspicious
Quote:
Originally Posted by absolut View Post
Watch the first 30 secs of Greta on the replay. He is being asked questions when he is getting in his car.
How often do the investigators stop by? I haven't heard of them doing that except for when the csi people were there.
It was my understanding that the Anthonys went to LE on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays for updates from LE and to give LE any info they had.
I had not heard of LE coming to their home to give updates. So who knows what it was really about.
Leila
08-20-2008, 02:00 AM
Cindy made the father situation on Greta about as clear as mud. I got the impression on Greata he's alive but uninvolved in Caylee's life. He started a family of his own, didn't sound real dead to me.
In the month + days that this case has been in the news, Cindy has given three different possibilities for the father of Caylee. All her statements conflict.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:00 AM
Did anyone ever discuss the nanny's hairy feet? Just sayin...
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 02:01 AM
LOL I have a myspace for the sole reason of being on my kids and watching it. Figure too when *mom* is a friend it's kinda a lamer :p Kiddo is my only friend, according to myspace :)
You ditched Tom?! lol
Goodnight all... catch you tomorrow.
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 02:01 AM
Something has been eating at me for the last couple of days - well 2 things.
1) Why LE is - for lack of a better word - dragging their feet on all of this. If the DNA is back (which I believe it is) why they haven't charged her. They have to be at the least - annoyed - at the most pizzed off royally. All this media, all the phone calls they must be getting - much less the threats - to the Anthony's now to the BH and of course to Casey - this type of case pulls ALL the crazies out of the woodwork. Now, with her making bail - going to create EVEN MORE work for them. Financially - these economic times are tough all over - REALLY TOUGH - LE's all over the country are tightening their belts - this is costing OSCO an arm and a leg. People at the top (elected officials) have got to be hammering them to "pick it up" asking all kinds of questions as to why this is going on. Much less the PR of it all - no LE agency wants to look bad. I don't get it.
2) Now all this talk about the $250K reward. We had a cop shot down here last year - reward has been like $350 - 400K for over a year. Still nothing. Nobody wants to talk. And now we have all these high rollers coming in - cryptic NY journalists, big time BH, this exotic car place, - got me wondering if (and I really want to keep the faith that she is still alive) anyone that has her wouldn't come forward for all that $$$. Well what if CA slept with some real high muckity muck and he's the daddy - money don't mean squat to someone like that - he wants his daughter (flesh and blood and all). Now we have these Miami bail bondsmen trying to throw a monkey wrench. Why - for this two bit party girl? I know I know - there's money to be made - but it ain't being made yet. Ain't going to be until the fat lady sings.
Oh I don't know anymore - its all so very very strange. Next thing we know the National Enquirer will have headlines - hell they broke the John Edwards (snake) story.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 02:01 AM
I just heard a noise coming from my kitchen. I looked over and saw that one of my 2 cats had gotten on the counter, (which he never had done before) knocked a small container of pet treats off onto the floor. My other cat and my dog were trying to open it.
Poor neglected things... having to fend for themselves, now that their Mom is so engrossed in this case and ignoring them!!
Just tell them you're solving a crime. That's what I tell everybody who asks me what the he!! I'm doing.
Ladytazz
08-20-2008, 02:02 AM
LOL I have a myspace for the sole reason of being on my kids and watching it. Figure too when *mom* is a friend it's kinda a lamer :p Kiddo is my only friend, according to myspace :)
On my MySpace profile it says "I am only here to embarass my kids"
MnkeyBznes
08-20-2008, 02:02 AM
Does anyone have an opinion as to why America's Most Wanted has not featured this case? They are always so good about missing kids I wonder if they know something we don't.
impatientredhead
08-20-2008, 02:03 AM
I agree Beagle. I mean come on, miss a period and you look back. Well, unless she was layin' it down like Nascar. She's young and I'm no saint..how may could it have been in a month?
If you drink until you blackout? She could easily not know who the father is. What I would like to know is if the paternity test for JG was in fact done, what prompted it 10 months after Caylee was born?
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:04 AM
I just heard a noise coming from my kitchen. I looked over and saw that one of my 2 cats had gotten on the counter, (which he never had done before) knocked a small container of pet treats off onto the floor. My other cat and my dog were trying to open it.
Poor neglected things... having to fend for themselves, now that their Mom is so engrossed in this case and ignoring them!!
LoL that's as sad as me neglecting to feed my daughter lunch today. She was so hungry that she decided to go into the kitchen to make herself a grilled cheese sandwich. I had to run into the kitchen and help her before she burned my house to smithereens. Dishes, laundry, housecleaning can all wait, but gotta feed the kid...tomorrow should be another doozy.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:04 AM
didn't it come out the calls of the 15th, there were none of the prefixes Casey spoke of? There may have been one but it was Amy? Psh, foggy and too addicted to let my tired butt get off the puter.
I don't know about that or the prefixes. But my main point was, since she hardly ever says anything clearly, was that she wanted Lee to get that somebody, let's say in this case Zanaida, had different phone numbers throughout a day.
Strikes me as odd and interesting.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:04 AM
LOL I have a myspace for the sole reason of being on my kids and watching it. Figure too when *mom* is a friend it's kinda a lamer :p Kiddo is my only friend, according to myspace :)
Me too but private except for family members. That is how we share photos and communicate.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:05 AM
Does anyone have an opinion as to why America's Most Wanted has not featured this case? They are always so good about missing kids I wonder if they know something we don't.
I don't know why either, because to me, that conflicts with why we aren't seeing LE search woods or lakes. LE is keeping everything so quiet that it's deafening.
LE keeps saying they aren't revealing where they are searching. If they were actively searching, I don't believe they could hide from the media unless they are relying on satellite images beaming down in certain areas.
JBean
08-20-2008, 02:06 AM
Respectfully JB, I dont recall seeing you welcoming opinions here that differ from your own, which is fine, I just think the "all points of view are welcome" might be interpretable, again no disrespect intended.
I absolutely welcome any and all opinions. I don't agree with all points of view, but listen to them and draw my own conclusions. I will certainly consider what you have said though. I don't take your comment disrepectfully at all but rather your opinion that I disagree with :)
AutomaticAuttie
08-20-2008, 02:06 AM
I don't know about that or the prefixes. But my main point was, since she hardly ever says anything clearly, was that she wanted Lee to get that somebody, let's say in this case Zanaida, had different phone numbers throughout a day.
Strikes me as odd and interesting.
Throw away cell phones where you buy pre-paid minutes.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:07 AM
Does anyone have an opinion as to why America's Most Wanted has not featured this case? They are always so good about missing kids I wonder if they know something we don't.
Maybe John Walsh doesn't want to get mixed up in all the craziness either.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:08 AM
LOL Blink...with this case I'm taking out loans on tomorrow! I can't hardly pull myself away from this computer and my eyes hurt! Sheesh, my neighbors will soon think I'm on drugs, were they to notice my eyes!
:)
I've had the same thought over the last few days. One of my neighbors even asked my daughter today if I was ok, since you hadn't seen me at all today. :crazy::crazy:
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 02:09 AM
I don't know why either, because to me, that conflicts with why we aren't seeing LE search woods or lakes. LE is keeping everything so quiet that it's deafening.
LE keeps saying they aren't revealing where they are searching. If they were actively searching, I don't believe they could hide from the media unless they are relying on satellite images beaming down in certain areas.
Last time I checked they had Caylee on the AMW website.
MnkeyBznes
08-20-2008, 02:10 AM
Last time I checked they had Caylee on the AMW website.
Yes they did the last time I checked too but no story on the TV show, just thought that was odd.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:10 AM
Me too but private except for family members. That is how we share photos and communicate.
I used to have MySpace, now it's Facebook. Gotta keep in touch with family and friends, and it's all set to private. Not that there is anything horrible in my pictures there, but I sure wouldn't want someone I didn't know looking at them.
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:10 AM
Last time I checked they had Caylee on the AMW website.
She is still there, I just looked. What I am curious about is when did the account of what Caylee was wearing on the 9th of June come out? Has it always been there and I just missed it.
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 02:11 AM
It was my understanding that the Anthonys went to LE on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays for updates from LE and to give LE any info they had.
I had not heard of LE coming to their home to give updates. So who knows what it was really about.
I kinda think that was a "pre-release" check type of deal. Phishing if you will. Making sure the GP's don't have any guns at the house. Looking around - talking about maybe any big kitchen knives and all. Asking where everybody is going to sleep. How they plan on handling the media when she comes home - asking if GP's want some type of help to keep the media in check.
Themis
08-20-2008, 02:11 AM
Something has been eating at me for the last couple of days - well 2 things.
1) Why LE is - for lack of a better word - dragging their feet on all of this. If the DNA is back (which I believe it is) why they haven't charged her. They have to be at the least - annoyed - at the most pizzed off royally. All this media, all the phone calls they must be getting - much less the threats - to the Anthony's now to the BH and of course to Casey - this type of case pulls ALL the crazies out of the woodwork. Now, with her making bail - going to create EVEN MORE work for them. Financially - these economic times are tough all over - REALLY TOUGH - LE's all over the country are tightening their belts - this is costing OSCO an arm and a leg. People at the top (elected officials) have got to be hammering them to "pick it up" asking all kinds of questions as to why this is going on. Much less the PR of it all - no LE agency wants to look bad. I don't get it.
2) Now all this talk about the $250K reward. We had a cop shot down here last year - reward has been like $350 - 400K for over a year. Still nothing. Nobody wants to talk. And now we have all these high rollers coming in - cryptic NY journalists, big time BH, this exotic car place, - got me wondering if (and I really want to keep the faith that she is still alive) anyone that has her wouldn't come forward for all that $$$. Well what if CA slept with some real high muckity muck and he's the daddy - money don't mean squat to someone like that - he wants his daughter (flesh and blood and all). Now we have these Miami bail bondsmen trying to throw a monkey wrench. Why - for this two bit party girl? I know I know - there's money to be made - but it ain't being made yet. Ain't going to be until the fat lady sings.
Oh I don't know anymore - its all so very very strange. Next thing we know the National Enquirer will have headlines - hell they broke the John Edwards (snake) story.
I would even rather believe some big famous muckety muck paid Casey to have a baby for him (sold) and the baby could stay with her until through age 2 years. At least it would have a chance at a happy ending. But ... the cadaver dogs ...
suddenlyobsessed
08-20-2008, 02:12 AM
Yes they did the last time I checked too but no story on the TV show, just thought that was odd.
Maybe they figure this case is already out in the light, so they'd rather use the air time for those that the mainstream media has forgotten.
Just an idea..
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:12 AM
Last time I checked they had Caylee on the AMW website.
You are correct. I haven't checked until now. Thank you.
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=57624
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 02:12 AM
Something has been eating at me for the last couple of days - well 2 things.
1) Why LE is - for lack of a better word - dragging their feet on all of this. If the DNA is back (which I believe it is) why they haven't charged her.
2) Well what if CA slept with some real high muckity muck and he's the daddy - money don't mean squat to someone like that - he wants his daughter (flesh and blood and all). (Snipped, sorry)
Great post. I keep going back to the smell in the car. Until LE comes out and possitively identifies that smell, I will not believe Caylee is alive.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 02:13 AM
NANCY GRACE
Jailed Mom of Missing Toddler May Be Bailed Out in the Morning
Aired August 19, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/19/ng.01.html
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:13 AM
(Snipped, sorry)
Great post. I keep going back to the smell in the car. Until LE comes out and possitively identifies that smell, I will not believe Caylee is alive.
That's kind of funny, I won't believe she is dead until that smell is ID'ed.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:14 AM
Cindy made the father situation on Greta about as clear as mud. I got the impression on Greata he's alive but uninvolved in Caylee's life. He started a family of his own, didn't sound real dead to me.
This is on my list of Cindy's inconsistencies. The father was dead on Larry King. She followed that up with the statement that she couldn't remember his name but had seen his obituary in the newspaper. Just a day or two later when she was on with Greta, the dead father was living in another state with his own family.
"Lying is not a criminal offense." Cindy Anthony
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 02:14 AM
You are correct. I haven't checked until now. Thank you.
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=57624
yw :)
Themis
08-20-2008, 02:14 AM
(Snipped, sorry)
Great post. I keep going back to the smell in the car. Until LE comes out and possitively identifies that smell, I will not believe Caylee is alive.
The dog handler (LE) positively identified the smell as decomposition at the hearing -- under oath.
Blink34
08-20-2008, 02:14 AM
I absolutely welcome any and all opinions. I don't agree with all points of view, but listen to them and draw my own conclusions. I will certainly consider what you have said though. I don't take your comment disrepectfully at all but rather your opinion that I disagree with :)
Fair enough, I concur.
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 02:14 AM
That's kind of funny, I won't believe she is dead until that smell is ID'ed.
Yep it all hinges on that car and those forensics.
AutomaticAuttie
08-20-2008, 02:15 AM
That's kind of funny, I won't believe she is dead until that smell is ID'ed.
I am with you!
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:15 AM
This is on my list of Cindy's inconsistencies. The father was dead on Larry King. She followed that up with the statement that she couldn't remember his name but had seen his obituary in the newspaper. Just a day or two later when she was on with Greta, the dead father was living in another state with his own family.
"Lying is not a criminal offense." Cindy Anthony
Watch it again, she says that by the time Caylee was born, he had already started his own family, but that he was dead now. Clear as water.
Openmyeyes
08-20-2008, 02:15 AM
was it Nancy Grace show that didn't get all the info on the *reward* stuff etc right?
They were giving all credit to one ..kid finders, I think, and saying it's all legit. (sorry was dealing with homelife during shows) and thought the legit fer sure non-profit like 10,000 plus signs etc? The rest was from stuff that's been kicked around at WS as questionable and they don't have a non-profit status yet?
Thanks for bringing that up, OME.
Kid finders is okay, and they were the ones that did the t-shirts, flyers and billboard. The one that did the reward was Never Lose Hope Foundation, they did a telemarketing thing calling homes telling everyone to look for Caylee. They might have even used Georges voice.
I think all the info is on Thread 102 starting with liltigress post #154.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69192&page=7
passin_through
08-20-2008, 02:15 AM
lol pets, I adore mine! She's a mutt pooch and I took a really great shot of her a couple of weeks ago. She has a huge doggy grin on and it's a beautiful picture, I set it as my background.
When news is slow and she's sitting behind me on the bed, I mini all and point at my screen, she perks up her ears and twists her head and looks and looks, then she *talks* to me!
I couldn't brag enough on my pooch, she's the bestest and smartest! My son calls her sister LOL. I don't know what I will do when the day comes that I don't have her at my side, she truly is my best friend! (need her on myspace, eh?)
Her face is getting white and I do fret the day I don't go to sleep with her or wake with her by my side. If I cry, she licks my tears. Dogs are special and I could write a book on how smart they are!
My dog is extra smart and sensitive, I think we all get that special pet in our lives, just like that one love. I have my pet and I cringe the day I don't have her at my side!
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:15 AM
Very Good!
Isn't her other ex boyfriend an Anthony who is with LE?
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 02:16 AM
Old Yesterday, 10:57 PM
RoseRed
Quote:
All those things should have been checked out already by LE. We have been seeing those same questions asked on this board since July. I for one would love to know about PR myself. Who is Kyle have we ever discussed him or is that not allowed? Remember we can not discuss anyone but Casey but I have always had a suspicion there was a friend who had Caylee. Someone had to have watched Caylee even before she disappeared.
What does that mean. that we can't discuss anyone but Casey?
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:16 AM
This is on my list of Cindy's inconsistencies. The father was dead on Larry King. She followed that up with the statement that she couldn't remember his name but had seen his obituary in the newspaper. Just a day or two later when she was on with Greta, the dead father was living in another state with his own family.
"Lying is not a criminal offense." Cindy Anthony
"Lying is not a criminal offense." Cindy Anthony[/QUOTE] If it's not, then why is Scott P in the slammer for murdering Laci without any evidence that he committed a murder? Cindy better check that statement again. I wonder if she ever heard of Scott P?
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:17 AM
Watch it again, she says that by the time Caylee was born, he had already started his own family, but that he was dead now. Clear as water.
Wow! Thanks for the heads up. I'll do that.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:17 AM
Isn't her other ex boyfriend an Anthony who is with LE?
Jesse G is the ex finance who was with LE. Anthony is the current boyfriend.
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 02:18 AM
The dog handler (LE) positively identified the smell as decomposition at the hearing -- under oath.
So ok - it WAS decomp - where is the DNA - they have to have it back. Was it inconclusive? Or was it somebody else? Either way don't make no sense. Why all the waiting? Why all the spending of taxpayer dollars - in such hard economic times? LE hasn't had a press conference in days. No searches - that we know of. they had the phone records within days of her arrest - they have already searched those areas - you can bet on it. Just all doesn't add up.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:19 AM
Does anyone have an opinion as to why America's Most Wanted has not featured this case? They are always so good about missing kids I wonder if they know something we don't.
I don't know but AMW always has incorrect information lately. I never bother to check them out anymore.
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:19 AM
Wow! Thanks for the heads up. I'll do that.
The Greta Interview with Cindy at the house. When they are in a bedroom. (Can't remember if it was CAsey's or caylees room.)
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:21 AM
In the month + days that this case has been in the news, Cindy has given three different possibilities for the father of Caylee. All her statements conflict.
Oh, good. She's consistently inconsistent , in my opinion.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:22 AM
I don't know why either, because to me, that conflicts with why we aren't seeing LE search woods or lakes. LE is keeping everything so quiet that it's deafening.
LE keeps saying they aren't revealing where they are searching. If they were actively searching, I don't believe they could hide from the media unless they are relying on satellite images beaming down in certain areas.
LE's inactivity in searching is another reason I feel Caylee may be still alive. I am not so sure they think she is deceased. JMO
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:23 AM
What does that mean. that we can't discuss anyone but Casey?
We can't? Oh Oh, if that's the case i'm in big trouble mister.
Begging Mod's, please dont ban me. I'm begging on bended knee. :bowdown:
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 02:24 AM
O/T but we had a case down here today - some grandma went to the casino and left a 2 yr old and a 9 yr old in the car in the parking lot. 9 yr old got out was carrying the 2 yr old- someone had already reported it anyway. Kids were ok - but grannie's in jail tonight.
Openmyeyes
08-20-2008, 02:24 AM
Okay, you guys found it already. I'm sure my slowness has nothing to do with the fact that my eyes are bleeding from being on here all day, lol.
I didn't realize it was almost 2:30am, I am outta here tonight. Good sleuthing all.
Hopefully, Caylee will be found and this madness will end. Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:25 AM
NANCY GRACE
Jailed Mom of Missing Toddler May Be Bailed Out in the Morning
Aired August 19, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/19/ng.01.html
Thanks Suzi Quzi...
Casey Anthony set to walk out of jail as early as 8:30 AM
I saw on Greta where they showed what Casey's steps out of the jail will look like, including getting to the parking lot where she will leave. I was thinking, they better have her protected like Secret Service surrounding George Bush if they want her alive to talk. I have a feeling if she gets out, there is going to be some horrible happenings.
twilight829
08-20-2008, 02:25 AM
Hi all! Yes, yet another newbie. I have only been lurking since this case began, yall all go so fast, I can hardly keep up. But I can no longer keep quiet, as I am tired of talking to my computer and not getting answers....LOL. I am trying to stay with facts only in this case (which is hard to do), but each time the one thing I keep going back to is the cadaver dogs. I just can't get past that point, no matter how hard I try to make myself believe Caylee is still here.
peace9274
08-20-2008, 02:25 AM
I brought this over from the previous thread, thinking it prolly got missed earlier when the posts/comments were coming so fast...
Just curious... does anyone else remember the Pamela Smart Case and how it got to be a huge joke?
Both cases... you couldn't make either story up and have it believable. Which is why they had to make the Pam Smart Story a tongue-in-cheek comedy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LindaK
"This is like a movie with a very bad, unbelievable plot. ...... "
Your movie plot reminds me of the Pamela Smart Case movie.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Smart )
It was so unbelievably crazy, that when the movie "To Die For" was made, (screenplay by Buck Henry, starring Nicole Kidman, Juaquin River, Casey Affleck, Matt Dillion, etc)... it was a 4 star comedy!
I'm going to age myself here, but I remember watching Pam Smart being interviewed on Sally Jessie Raphael holding her little dog on her lap and all the players (family members) sitting in a row next to her.
I remember thinking WTF?, what a farce.... and how insane the case was.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 02:25 AM
Yesterday, 11:11 PM
fixingtoburst
Hey how come Mr. Bounty Hunter isn't answering questions anymore?
Maybe because he didn't have time to quote from one thread and post it on another thread. He said he was new at this but it seems everyone didn't want him posting on the questions thread for some reason. IMO who cares where he posts as long as he is answering questions.
Isabelle
08-20-2008, 02:27 AM
JP Chatt.
I just saw his pic next to a pic of Caylee. They really do look alike. Caylee also resembles her grandmother Cindy.
Is it possible that Casey parked her car at the secluded area near Orlando Airport so she could watch the plane that was carrying Caylee to Puerto Rico take off?
Did I read somewhere that JP Chatt was tested for paternity? If so, is there a link to this?
Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:27 AM
LE's inactivity in searching is another reason I feel Caylee may be still alive. I am not so sure they think she is deceased. JMO
That is the only reason I can really come up with. Every time I think of her being alive, it keeps bringing me back to the shady dealings with the organizations involved. Something is just not right.
I'm sure the moment DNA and forensics is announced by LE, we will all have it figured out at that very moment.
It's the 'hurry up and wait' part that is killing me.
MnkeyBznes
08-20-2008, 02:27 AM
Hi all! Yes, yet another newbie. I have only been lurking since this case began, yall all go so fast, I can hardly keep up. But I can no longer keep quiet, as I am tired of talking to my computer and not getting answers....LOL. I am trying to stay with facts only in this case (which is hard to do), but each time the one thing I keep going back to is the cadaver dogs. I just can't get past that point, no matter how hard I try to make myself believe Caylee is still here.
I agree. I would love to believe that this baby is still living somewhere oblivious to all of this but I also keep coming back to the dogs.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:27 AM
Jesse G is the ex finance who was with LE. Anthony is the current boyfriend.
OK, I am sleepy, I apologize. But I seem to recall that the boyfriend who Amy lives with had been a previous boyfriend of Casey's and that he is with LE. He is in Puerto Rico, or at least went to Puerto Rico with Amy. Do you remember his name?
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 02:28 AM
OK, I am sleepy, I apologize. But I seem to recall that the boyfriend who Amy lives with had been a previous boyfriend of Casey's and that he is with LE. He is in Puerto Rico, or at least went to Puerto Rico with Amy. Do you remember his name?
Ricardo
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:28 AM
I used to have MySpace, now it's Facebook. Gotta keep in touch with family and friends, and it's all set to private. Not that there is anything horrible in my pictures there, but I sure wouldn't want someone I didn't know looking at them.
Especially the children's photos. I thought about that with Casey having all the party photos and then Caylee's photos in the same place. It is not good to have small children's photos in public view these days. You never know who will find those babies photos.
ThoughtElf
08-20-2008, 02:29 AM
I can't help but hope LE's case is like cooking comfort food:
You start with basic ingredients - not always the best cut or prime choice. Then you add a pinch of this, a dash of that and set it cooking over slow, low heat with the lid on it. Stir only occasionally, as needed, and eventually it all melds together into something really satisfying and comforting.
Call it Justice Chili.
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:29 AM
I agree. I would love to believe that this baby is still living somewhere oblivious to all of this but I also keep coming back to the dogs.
I repeat the mantra, dogs are not perfect, dogs are not perfect, dogs are not perfect until my eyes cross. So far it's working. Not to mention that even if there was a body in the trunk, it was not neccesarily Caylees.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:30 AM
Hi all! Yes, yet another newbie. I have only been lurking since this case began, yall all go so fast, I can hardly keep up. But I can no longer keep quiet, as I am tired of talking to my computer and not getting answers....LOL. I am trying to stay with facts only in this case (which is hard to do), but each time the one thing I keep going back to is the cadaver dogs. I just can't get past that point, no matter how hard I try to make myself believe Caylee is still here.
:Welcome-12-june:
We all have hope that Caylee is still alive but its unlikely sorry to say. I wish I could wake up tomorrow morning and see a big sticky with the words " Caylee's been found ", but I know that is just a pipe dream.
txsvicki
08-20-2008, 02:30 AM
This is on my list of Cindy's inconsistencies. The father was dead on Larry King. She followed that up with the statement that she couldn't remember his name but had seen his obituary in the newspaper. Just a day or two later when she was on with Greta, the dead father was living in another state with his own family.
"Lying is not a criminal offense." Cindy Anthony
To me, saying anything at all is really strange. Seems like saying I have no comment about that at this time would be better. Casey is a grown woman. She could straighten out who the father is at another time.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 02:31 AM
What does that mean. that we can't discuss anyone but Casey?
I suppose if we had more information on who Kyle is, we would talk about him. The last I checked we talk about lots of folk, other than Casey. LOL heck, we've even talked about each other here on the board.
I don't see any grand conspiracies. it's fair, imo. Casey is in in jail so we can talk more about her. She's the POI, no, they don't allow us to rip everyone to shreads but there's only one person I see in jail pertaining to this case, and that's Casey.
Makes sense that's why the slant is that direction, imo. It's Casey's daughter, Caylee, and she refuses to talk about her. She waited 31 days to report this and if not for Cindy, how long would she have waited?
makes sense to me...casey is focus and others are of interest. *shrug*
MnkeyBznes
08-20-2008, 02:32 AM
I repeat the mantra, dogs are not perfect, dogs are not perfect, dogs are not perfect until my eyes cross. So far it's working. Not to mention that even if there was a body in the trunk, it was not neccesarily Caylees.
I am well aware dogs are not perfect but having been in Vet med all my life I also know how reliable their noses are. If there is an error it is usually the handler not the dog.
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 02:32 AM
Thanks Suzi Quzi...
Casey Anthony set to walk out of jail as early as 8:30 AM
I saw on Greta where they showed what Casey's steps out of the jail will look like, including getting to the parking lot where she will leave. I was thinking, they better have her protected like Secret Service surrounding George Bush if they want her alive to talk. I have a feeling if she gets out, there is going to be some horrible happenings.
Whoever wants her will have to fight through the media first to get to her. I have a feeling they are all camped outside and waiting. It's gonna be worse than the the Christmas-time frenzy when the latest hot toy gets released.
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:34 AM
Whoever wants her will have to fight through the media first to get to her. I have a feeling they are all camped outside and waiting. It's gonna be worse than the the Christmas-time frenzy when the latest hot toy gets released.
Makes you wonder what will get more media, the homecoming or the trial?
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:35 AM
What does that mean. that we can't discuss anyone but Casey?
I believe so.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 02:35 AM
thank you, OME on the info about the reward/donation stuff :)
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:35 AM
That is the only reason I can really come up with. Every time I think of her being alive, it keeps bringing me back to the shady dealings with the organizations involved. Something is just not right.
I'm sure the moment DNA and forensics is announced by LE, we will all have it figured out at that very moment.
It's the 'hurry up and wait' part that is killing me.
Something is sooo not right. I have this nagging feeling that there is something really horrific surrounding this whole mess.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:36 AM
Whoever wants her will have to fight through the media first to get to her. I have a feeling they are all camped outside and waiting. It's gonna be worse than the the Christmas-time frenzy when the latest hot toy gets released.
That or the first day after Christmas clearance. That's the best shopping! :crazy:
I just have this horrid feeling of something terrible happening if she walks out of that jail. There are some crazies out there.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 02:37 AM
JP Chatt.
I just saw his pic next to a pic of Caylee. They really do look alike. Caylee also resembles her grandmother Cindy.
Is it possible that Casey parked her car at the secluded area near Orlando Airport so she could watch the plane that was carrying Caylee to Puerto Rico take off?
Did I read somewhere that JP Chatt was tested for paternity? If so, is there a link to this?
Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
I also saw the resemblence. It was on one of the threads but with the threads going as fast as they do, I can't remember which one. I am sure someone will come up with the link for you.
Jesse G was tested for paternity, don't know if JP C was. Good question but I don't think so.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:38 AM
Something is sooo not right. I have this nagging feeling that there is something really horrific surrounding this whole mess.
I haven't investigated it enough to say any of that is directly related to Caylee's disappearance, though it's odd. But in the least, it could be a parallel investigation that just happened to be uncovered due to this case.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 02:39 AM
That's kind of funny, I won't believe she is dead until that smell is ID'ed.
Do we both agree that if the smelly car comes back and it's proven there's been a homicide that Caylee is in heaven?
:confused: and tired
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:40 AM
Do we both agree that if the smelly car comes back and it's proven there's been a homicide that Caylee is in heaven?
:confused: and tired
That there was a homicide yes. That is was Caylee, no.
Gotta show me DNA for that.
twilight829
08-20-2008, 02:40 AM
I am well aware dogs are not perfect but having been in Vet med all my life I also know how reliable their noses are. If there is an error it is usually the handler not the dog.
I keep thinking maybe dogs were wrong also, but in my gut says they are right. Makes sense about handlers making the mistakes though. Has anyone found info on cadaver dogs. Such as how many have been wrong?
Leila
08-20-2008, 02:41 AM
Something has been eating at me for the last couple of days - well 2 things.
1) Why LE is - for lack of a better word - dragging their feet on all of this. If the DNA is back (which I believe it is) why they haven't charged her. They have to be at the least - annoyed - at the most pizzed off royally. All this media, all the phone calls they must be getting - much less the threats - to the Anthony's now to the BH and of course to Casey - this type of case pulls ALL the crazies out of the woodwork. Now, with her making bail - going to create EVEN MORE work for them. Financially - these economic times are tough all over - REALLY TOUGH - LE's all over the country are tightening their belts - this is costing OSCO an arm and a leg. People at the top (elected officials) have got to be hammering them to "pick it up" asking all kinds of questions as to why this is going on. Much less the PR of it all - no LE agency wants to look bad. I don't get it.
2) Now all this talk about the $250K reward. We had a cop shot down here last year - reward has been like $350 - 400K for over a year. Still nothing. Nobody wants to talk. And now we have all these high rollers coming in - cryptic NY journalists, big time BH, this exotic car place, - got me wondering if (and I really want to keep the faith that she is still alive) anyone that has her wouldn't come forward for all that $$$. Well what if CA slept with some real high muckity muck and he's the daddy - money don't mean squat to someone like that - he wants his daughter (flesh and blood and all). Now we have these Miami bail bondsmen trying to throw a monkey wrench. Why - for this two bit party girl? I know I know - there's money to be made - but it ain't being made yet. Ain't going to be until the fat lady sings.
Oh I don't know anymore - its all so very very strange. Next thing we know the National Enquirer will have headlines - hell they broke the John Edwards (snake) story.
I have a theory on the reason LE is dragging their feet - at least as it's perceived by the public.
I think LE has a LOT of evidence other than the forensic evidence in the trunk of the car. Last week LE even stated that they have much more evidence than what's in the car. But there's a reason why they haven't made any other charges in this case. They don't have a body. Even though there's been successful prosecutions without a body, it's more difficult to present a case to a jury without a body.
If the prosecution were to go forward and charge Casey with murder (if that's what happened), they would then have to share the evidence they have (discovery) with Jose Baez and Walsh, which would give them more than ample time to prepare a defense.
Casey was charged with child endangerment and obstruction of justice, and she's to be arraigned for that on Thursday, Aug. 21st. The clock starts ticking at that point. The prosecution has to bring the case to trial within 190 days - 6 months, 10 days. If there are other charges, they will have to bring those charges within that time frame.
From a prosecution standpoint, the longer they can wait to file any additional charges, the less time the defense will have to prepare a defense. The prosecution wants to accumulate as much evidence as they can, including a body.
From the defense standpoint, if all Casey is charged with is child neglect and obstruction of justice, they want to go forward with a speedy trial in hope that the prosecution doesn't have enough evidence to make further charges.
Once Casey is tried for child neglect and obstruction of justice and either convicted or acquitted, she can't be tried for any additional charges stemming from that case. It's double jeopardy.
So, I think LE is taking their time (to a degree) and is withholding evidence from the media/public/defense as they continue to collect evidence. When they think they've got a good solid case, including a body (if that's what happened), they'll make additional charges.
suddenlyobsessed
08-20-2008, 02:42 AM
K not wishing this or advocating it, just to be clear... but I think the crazys would be a lot more likely to kidnap and torture casey than to kill her at this point.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 02:44 AM
Ricardo
Alright, Swag. Thank you.
California Dreamer
08-20-2008, 02:44 AM
This has probably been discussed somewhere, but not that I've seen. TEXT MESSAGES...my son holds long back and forth conversations via text messaging instead of using the phone. HUNDREDS per month, and it is very common for this age group to do so. I know they pinged the phone and checked the call log, but what about her messages that she said she had via text with her mom and Z, and whoever else? That could be a gold mine of information. I researched this abit and found this:
http://www.engadget.com/2004/06/18/at-t-wireless-keeps-all-your-text-messages/
MnkeyBznes
08-20-2008, 02:44 AM
I keep thinking maybe dogs were wrong also, but in my gut says they are right. Makes sense about handlers making the mistakes though. Has anyone found info on cadaver dogs. Such as how many have been wrong?
Don't know exact % but have heard somewhere between 55% and 98% accurate depending on training, handling etc.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:45 AM
I agree. I would love to believe that this baby is still living somewhere oblivious to all of this but I also keep coming back to the dogs.
The dogs only raise suspicion they do not prove a body was there.
txsvicki
08-20-2008, 02:47 AM
I'm having faith that the car was the big mistake if a murder did happen. If the whole truth was told about the 24th, the body was likely moved more than once and there should be some dna to prove who it was. The detectives did say that they are checking many things, not just the stain, dirt, and hair.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:47 AM
Respectfully snipped...
I have a theory on the reason LE is dragging their feet - at least as it's perceived by the public.
I agree with all aspects of this except one thing. We haven't seen proof of LE physically searching for the body to bring it all to rest. They did their training dive and kept calling it a training, denying that it was related to searching for Caylee. Was that for show? Was it to rightfully knock out 2 birds with one stone, so to speak?
I do think they were using that training to do some searching for Caylee, but why keep denying the reason? That part really confuses me. Which isn't hard to do these days. lol
MnkeyBznes
08-20-2008, 02:47 AM
The dogs only raise suspicion they do not prove a body was there.
So true, they prove nothing but they are a very important tool.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 02:49 AM
Thanks Suzi Quzi...
Casey Anthony set to walk out of jail as early as 8:30 AM
I saw on Greta where they showed what Casey's steps out of the jail will look like, including getting to the parking lot where she will leave. I was thinking, they better have her protected like Secret Service surrounding George Bush if they want her alive to talk. I have a feeling if she gets out, there is going to be some horrible happenings.
Casey will not be out at 8:30 AM. I wish the media would just stop! She can only be released between 1pm and 3pm and they have not even come close to coming to an agreement as to who is going to post for them in Florida.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 02:49 AM
Thanks Suzi Quzi...
Casey Anthony set to walk out of jail as early as 8:30 AM
I saw on Greta where they showed what Casey's steps out of the jail will look like, including getting to the parking lot where she will leave. I was thinking, they better have her protected like Secret Service surrounding George Bush if they want her alive to talk. I have a feeling if she gets out, there is going to be some horrible happenings.
I'll be curious to see if she'll do that hyper sexual saunter? Or will she hide under something?
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 02:50 AM
I just have this horrid feeling of something terrible happening if she walks out of that jail. There are some crazies out there.
I think there is probably more danger in her harming herself. I hope not though. I hope that she and the BH sit up at night playing "quarters" and she spills whatever she knows so Caylee can come home. The only problem with this is i think I have heard of alcohol monitors on those ankle bracelets.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 02:52 AM
JP Chatt.
I just saw his pic next to a pic of Caylee. They really do look alike. Caylee also resembles her grandmother Cindy.
Is it possible that Casey parked her car at the secluded area near Orlando Airport so she could watch the plane that was carrying Caylee to Puerto Rico take off?
Did I read somewhere that JP Chatt was tested for paternity? If so, is there a link to this?
Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
IMO, Caylee never went to PR.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:52 AM
I'll be curious to see if she'll do that hyper sexual saunter? Or will she hide under something?
I'll bet she'll be hiding under Padilla's arm. She's gonna look like a big bullseye for some crazy with a long range rifle.
I really do wonder if she'll be scared or if she'll come out smiling. Heh, hyper sexual saunter. She's got that part down, doesn't she?
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:53 AM
Do we both agree that if the smelly car comes back and it's proven there's been a homicide that Caylee is in heaven?
:confused: and tired
If it is Caylee's DNA then yes but I will have a broken heart
liltigress
08-20-2008, 02:55 AM
It's 2am, do you know where your parents are?
Aha! They're on WS. The new crack!
OMG It's late and I'm delirious.
:eek::woohoo::eek:
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 02:56 AM
That there was a homicide yes. That is was Caylee, no.
Gotta show me DNA for that.
That's fair!
passin_through
08-20-2008, 02:56 AM
Cali'dreamer
The text messages wouldn't come with regular phone records, when requested by police? I'm don't have a clue.
I sure hope they got both, but it's certainly something to wonder about now--I just assumed they got the whole package when they requested records. hmmmm
twilight829
08-20-2008, 02:56 AM
Something else that drives me absolutely bonkers, is the different ways to look at LE's moves......They could have alot of evidence pointing to Casey, and as stated above, holding off to have greater chance of conviction, or they dna didn't come back as they thought, and are still searching for clues.
peace9274
08-20-2008, 02:56 AM
We've got some great sleuthers here with great theories, but I'm burned out...
I'm off to do 2 days of dishes, clean up the mess the animals made and then to bed.
Night all... sweet dreams.
:blowkiss:
P.S. I may have to check back here one more time before actually going to bed tho.... to see if anything new happened while I was trying to be responsible!
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 02:57 AM
It's 2am, do you know where your parents are?
Aha! They're on WS. The new crack!
OMG It's late and I'm delirious.
:eek::woohoo::eek:
lmao @ WS Crack!!!
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 02:58 AM
You know, if LE is quietly searching certain more likely areas, the fact that the media's focus is on the family could be used to their advantage. It seems like they quickly stated that there was "no merit" to the reports of cell phone pings near the airport.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 02:58 AM
I have a theory on the reason LE is dragging their feet - at least as it's perceived by the public.
I think LE has a LOT of evidence other than the forensic evidence in the trunk of the car. Last week LE even stated that they have much more evidence than what's in the car. But there's a reason why they haven't made any other charges in this case. They don't have a body. .
How will they find a body without looking for it. There is no way they are searching for a body and keeping that search hidden from the public.
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 02:59 AM
Something else that drives me absolutely bonkers, is the different ways to look at LE's moves......They could have alot of evidence pointing to Casey, and as stated above, holding off to have greater chance of conviction, or they dna didn't come back as they thought, and are still searching for clues.
I'm betting on the DNA not being what they expected. Because face it, Caylee's DNA in the trunk along with the smell and everything else would definitely be good enough for any jury. No murder charges say to me that the DNA is not what they had hoped.
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 02:59 AM
lmao @ WS Crack!!!
ROFL:Banane10:
Ezryder9
08-20-2008, 03:00 AM
I have a theory on the reason LE is dragging their feet - at least as it's perceived by the public.
I think LE has a LOT of evidence other than the forensic evidence in the trunk of the car. Last week LE even stated that they have much more evidence than what's in the car. But there's a reason why they haven't made any other charges in this case. They don't have a body. Even though there's been successful prosecutions without a body, it's more difficult to present a case to a jury without a body.
If the prosecution were to go forward and charge Casey with murder (if that's what happened), they would then have to share the evidence they have (discovery) with Jose Baez and Walsh, which would give them more than ample time to prepare a defense.
Casey was charged with child endangerment and obstruction of justice, and she's to be arraigned for that on Thursday, Aug. 21st. The clock starts ticking at that point. The prosecution has to bring the case to trial within 190 days - 6 months, 10 days. If there are other charges, they will have to bring those charges within that time frame.
From a prosecution standpoint, the longer they can wait to file any additional charges, the less time the defense will have to prepare a defense. The prosecution wants to accumulate as much evidence as they can, including a body.
From the defense standpoint, if all Casey is charged with is child neglect and obstruction of justice, they want to go forward with a speedy trial in hope that the prosecution doesn't have enough evidence to make further charges.
Once Casey is tried for child neglect and obstruction of justice and either convicted or acquitted, she can't be tried for any additional charges stemming from that case. It's double jeopardy.
So, I think LE is taking their time (to a degree) and is withholding evidence from the media/public/defense as they continue to collect evidence. When they think they've got a good solid case, including a body (if that's what happened), they'll make additional charges.
If I knew how to snip this I would, but I don't, so I won't try! I agree with an awful lot of what you said. I hope I'm not too tired to try and explain something I heard about the double jeopardy aspect of charging vs. not charging. I heard a Florida attorney say somewhere, it had to be either Nancy or Greta, that it would not be considered double jeopardy if, in fact, the current charges could be proven standing alone. I mean, if they can prove that she is guilty of the felony child neglect. Then later they can bring the more serious charges, if they're warranted. (Notice, I'm leaving room for the chance, although I doubt it, that's she's innocent of more serious charges.)
I wish I could remember which show I heard this on. Tomorrow, I mean later today, I'll do some searching.
I would like to see them go ahead and try her for the current charges. IMO they have sufficient evidence for that. Convict her, send her to prison to serve her 5 years, and continue to amass evidence of the more serious crimes. That gives them plenty of time to keep building their case.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 03:00 AM
I also wonder if they lack DNA, Txtornado?
not_my_kids
08-20-2008, 03:01 AM
Alright time to pull myself away from the WS crack and go paint a bedroom.
Yes at 3 a.m. What do you expect? I'm on WS crack. :bang:
Hope tomorrow brings news. Be it good or bad, at least it's something.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:01 AM
Respectfully snipped...
I agree with all aspects of this except one thing. We haven't seen proof of LE physically searching for the body to bring it all to rest. They did their training dive and kept calling it a training, denying that it was related to searching for Caylee. Was that for show? Was it to rightfully knock out 2 birds with one stone, so to speak?
I do think they were using that training to do some searching for Caylee, but why keep denying the reason? That part really confuses me. Which isn't hard to do these days. lol
Whenever possible, TES doesn't disclose where they are searching either. That's because they don't want a suspect to move the body to a place that's already been searched. And TES has that policy because it did happen to them.
twilight829
08-20-2008, 03:03 AM
I'm betting on the DNA not being what they expected. Because face it, Caylee's DNA in the trunk along with the smell and everything else would definitely be good enough for any jury. No murder charges say to me that the DNA is not what they had hoped.
But wasn't there someone in LE at the bond hearing that stated the smell was that of decomp? Or am I wrong on that?
JBean
08-20-2008, 03:03 AM
If I knew how to snip this I would, but I don't, so I won't try! I agree with an awful lot of what you said. I hope I'm not too tired to try and explain something I heard about the double jeopardy aspect of charging vs. not charging. I heard a Florida attorney say somewhere, it had to be either Nancy or Greta, that it would not be considered double jeopardy if, in fact, the current charges could be proven standing alone. I mean, if they can prove that she is guilty of the felony child neglect. Then later they can bring the more serious charges, if they're warranted. (Notice, I'm leaving room for the chance, although I doubt it, that's she's innocent of more serious charges.)
I wish I could remember which show I heard this on. Tomorrow, I mean later today, I'll do some searching.
I would like to see them go ahead and try her for the current charges. IMO they have sufficient evidence for that. Convict her, send her to prison to serve her 5 years, and continue to amass evidence of the more serious crimes. That gives them plenty of time to keep building their case.
I agree with you that there could be conditions under which a stand alone charge of murder could fly. At a minimum a separate charge could be argued in the future. IMO, double jeopardy is not cut and dried and there is certainly conditions under which she could be charged in the future if a murder were to be discovered.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:04 AM
Cali'dreamer
The text messages wouldn't come with regular phone records, when requested by police? I'm don't have a clue.
I sure hope they got both, but it's certainly something to wonder about now--I just assumed they got the whole package when they requested records. hmmmm
LE would have it all. No question about it.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 03:04 AM
Whenever possible, TES doesn't disclose where they are searching either. That's because they don't want a suspect to move the body to a place that's already been searched. And TES has that policy because it did happen to them.
I understand that and agree completely. But the media coverage on this is so huge, its gotta be tough for LE to do any physical foot searches without them knowing and following, wouldn't it?
twilight829
08-20-2008, 03:06 AM
Alright time to pull myself away from the WS crack and go paint a bedroom.
Yes at 3 a.m. What do you expect? I'm on WS crack. :bang:
Hope tomorrow brings news. Be it good or bad, at least it's something.
That's funny, that is when I do my painting and such. Because that is the ONLY time I can get it done without kids under foot.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 03:06 AM
Dang, I'm hearing NG again and didn't realize how late Baez and his associate was at the jail visiting with Casey. They got there just before 11pm.
JBean
08-20-2008, 03:06 AM
Whenever possible, TES doesn't disclose where they are searching either. That's because they don't want a suspect to move the body to a place that's already been searched. And TES has that policy because it did happen to them.
We also have the well known Scott Peterson trial where the murderers put the body where they knew LE would be searching and where the suspect was known to have been.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:06 AM
I'm betting on the DNA not being what they expected. Because face it, Caylee's DNA in the trunk along with the smell and everything else would definitely be good enough for any jury. No murder charges say to me that the DNA is not what they had hoped.
Is everyone forgetting that in a Capital case that a grand jury is seated and they are the ones who hand down an indictment?
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 03:07 AM
It's 2am, do you know where your parents are?
Aha! They're on WS. The new crack!
OMG It's late and I'm delirious.
:eek::woohoo::eek:
I have not told mine about WS yet they think I am still doing genealogy research. :chicken:
SouthernMom
08-20-2008, 03:07 AM
It's time for me to turn in folks. I wish you all a good night and good sleuthing.
have a blessed day,
txsvicki
08-20-2008, 03:07 AM
Does anyone still on here this late know if Casey will be able to get on online and drink alcohol if she is released?
liltigress
08-20-2008, 03:07 AM
Alright time to pull myself away from the WS crack and go paint a bedroom.
Yes at 3 a.m. What do you expect? I'm on WS crack. :bang:
Hope tomorrow brings news. Be it good or bad, at least it's something.
Bahaha! It's some good chit, isn't it? :crazy:
California Dreamer
08-20-2008, 03:08 AM
Thanks, Passin_through, for replying about the text messages. I'm sure LE would have requested them, if available, and I sure hope it still is!
Well, I couldn't have picked a better time to be off work due to a sports injury. Lots of time to sleuth, but I think it's time to call it a night!
Nite all!
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:08 AM
But wasn't there someone in LE at the bond hearing that stated the smell was that of decomp? Or am I wrong on that?
Yes there was.
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 03:08 AM
It's 2am, do you know where your parents are?
Aha! They're on WS. The new crack!
OMG It's late and I'm delirious.
:eek::woohoo::eek:
:clap::clap::clap:
good nite, all.
Get some rest! If she does goet out tomorrow, it's only going to get more confusing and convoluted.
passin_through
08-20-2008, 03:09 AM
Alright time to pull myself away from the WS crack and go paint a bedroom.
Yes at 3 a.m. What do you expect? I'm on WS crack. :bang:
Hope tomorrow brings news. Be it good or bad, at least it's something
You mean that's not normal? Painting at 3am? I thought it was, it's the best time to paint! Anyhoo..what is "normal" and enjoyed my day with y'all, thanks! BTW, N-M-K, I've never jumped up at 7am and painted, that's insane to me. lol
niters all!
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:12 AM
I understand that and agree completely. But the media coverage on this is so huge, its gotta be tough for LE to do any physical foot searches without them knowing and following, wouldn't it?
It's tough but not impossible. IMO, the fact LE isn't searching would not be indicative of whether Caylee is alive or not. In this case, given the time laps in reporting her missing and apparent lack of any witnesses, LE simply has no starting place. They are limited to maybe the Sawgrass dumpsters or Amscot parking lot, etc. Even phone pings and credit card receipts aren't going to be much help. 31 days worth would look like an obnoxious spiderweb on a graph.
California Dreamer
08-20-2008, 03:12 AM
Thanks, SuziQ, for the confirmation on the text messaging. That makes me feel much better.
I'm another Newbie. Would someone please tell me if I hit Quote to reply to someone if I just enter the text on the first blank line? Sorry to ask such a basic question, but 'tis late. TIA!!
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:13 AM
We also have the well known Peterson trial where the murderers put the body where they knew LE would be searching and where the suspect was known to have been.
Which Peterson trial?
JBean
08-20-2008, 03:14 AM
Which Peterson trial?
Scott
Just wanted to see if you were paying attention
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 03:14 AM
Is everyone forgetting that in a Capital case that a grand jury is seated and they are the ones who hand down an indictment?
Is that Florida law because I think each State is different.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 03:15 AM
But wasn't there someone in LE at the bond hearing that stated the smell was that of decomp? Or am I wrong on that?
lead detective (formerl homicide detective) identified that smell as decomposition. cindy identified the smell as a damned dead body.....ooops, i mean maggoty pizza. george had to roll the windows down in the car becuase it stunk so bad. a cadaver doggie hit on the car. i'm sure the tow truck driver will be a witness, and who ever drove the car out to george when he picked it up.
Waddles
08-20-2008, 03:15 AM
If I knew how to snip this I would snipped.
just take the text off :)
Amster
08-20-2008, 03:15 AM
For what it's worth....Shep Smith, Fox News, said he'd been told PERSONALLY by OCPD that the DNA testing wasn't back. I tend to doubt most of what Shep says, though.
EastSideOfSaddness
08-20-2008, 03:16 AM
But wasn't there someone in LE at the bond hearing that stated the smell was that of decomp? Or am I wrong on that?
You are 100% correct. Here is the link to videos from our local paper (Orlando Sentinal). Go to page six on the vids and you'll see the title "Detective describes smell in car".
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-081908,0,7855372.story
santos1014
08-20-2008, 03:16 AM
Does anyone still on here this late know if Casey will be able to get on online and drink alcohol if she is released?
The replay of NG is the only one I can watch with my work hours, and it is stating that she cannot drink or go to clubs while bonded out. It also states with "breaking news" that she could get out as early as 8:30. Forgive me if this was shown earlier..as I said, I can only watch this late airing of NG.
liltigress
08-20-2008, 03:16 AM
It's tough but not impossible. IMO, the fact LE isn't searching would not be indicative of whether Caylee is alive or not. In this case, given the time laps in reporting her missing and apparent lack of any witnesses, LE simply has no starting place. They are limited to maybe the Sawgrass dumpsters or Amscot parking lot, etc. Even phone pings and credit card receipts aren't going to be much help. 31 days worth would look like an obnoxious spiderweb on a graph.
I know, right. With LE flying under the radar right now, it's easy for any of us to take that in an abundance of ways.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:17 AM
Scott
Just wanted to see if you were paying attention
You are such a brat. I was thinking Scott...Michael? Gosh I think there have been more Petersons haven't there?
sweetwater
08-20-2008, 03:17 AM
Thanks, SuziQ, for the confirmation on the text messaging. That makes me feel much better.
I'm another Newbie. Would someone please tell me if I hit Quote to reply to someone if I just enter the text on the first blank line? Sorry to ask such a basic question, but 'tis late. TIA!!
Hi there-
As far as I've seen, most people reply under the text, but it's up to you. It you reply under it, it kindof creates a context for your reply.
Welcome!
JBean
08-20-2008, 03:18 AM
You are such a brat. I was thinking Scott...Michael? Gosh I think there have been more Petersons haven't there?
:woohoo:
I couldn't resist writing that.
santos1014
08-20-2008, 03:20 AM
After all this time..with the heat...if Caylee is gone...I am afraid her tiny body wouldn't have lasted long to find her. I don't mean to sound morbid, just I can't get that thought out of my head.
EastSideOfSaddness
08-20-2008, 03:23 AM
I understand that and agree completely. But the media coverage on this is so huge, its gotta be tough for LE to do any physical foot searches without them knowing and following, wouldn't it?
There have been searches mentioned only briefly in the news. They are searching secretly. If it was in a wooded area (there are TONS of them around here) it wouldn't be so obvious.
I don't know if they could possibly have a deal with the media to shut up (lol I know fat chance). I know I've heard it mentioned and I've seen some suspicious police activity in certain locations around here.
mysteriew
08-20-2008, 03:23 AM
Thanks, SuziQ, for the confirmation on the text messaging. That makes me feel much better.
I'm another Newbie. Would someone please tell me if I hit Quote to reply to someone if I just enter the text on the first blank line? Sorry to ask such a basic question, but 'tis late. TIA!!
When you use the quote button, you will see the post quoted. Before and after the existing quote you will see the words "quote". Don't type between those quote words. They are what makes the quote blue You can type either above or below the original post.
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:23 AM
Is that Florida law because I think each State is different.
IIRC, that info was pulled up by Nurse, Blink and some others specifically for Florida. And I do definitely remember that they have a seated grand jury in Florida. I wish I could point you to a link, but at 1:21am I can't. lol.
Even if it's not a state law, the standard practice for most D.A.'s is to use a grand jury because that's the chance a D.A. gets to cross the t's and dot his i's, and have a practice trial, resulting in a higher conviction rate when it goes to trial. Many defense attorney's hate grand jury's. They say it gives the prosecution an unfair advantage.
California Dreamer
08-20-2008, 03:23 AM
Hi there-
As far as I've seen, most people reply under the text, but it's up to you. It you reply under it, it kindof creates a context for your reply.
Welcome!
Thanks, sweetwater! Have a great evening as now I am really signing off, as hard as it is to do!
liltigress
08-20-2008, 03:26 AM
There have been searches mentioned only briefly in the news. They are searching secretly. If it was in a wooded area (there are TONS of them around here) it wouldn't be so obvious.
I don't know if they could possibly have a deal with the media to shut up (lol I know fat chance). I know I've heard it mentioned and I've seen some suspicious police activity in certain locations around here.
Ohhh Do Tell! Where were they? I always LOVE hearing from the locals.
EastSideOfSaddness
08-20-2008, 03:27 AM
After all this time..with the heat...if Caylee is gone...I am afraid her tiny body wouldn't have lasted long to find her. I don't mean to sound morbid, just I can't get that thought out of my head.
I know it's so sad, I could cry. I heard a detective say in hot climates like FL decomp starts within 24 hours. I'm sure if she did die her remains were skeletal within just days. :(:mad::furious::(
SuziQ
08-20-2008, 03:28 AM
:woohoo:
I couldn't resist writing that.
Lol, on that note I'm going to bed. Goodnight.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:29 AM
Since were on that topic. Wasn't FHP going to get the DNA from that accident and test it for paternity? And didn't the family hire an atty - IIRC he was on one of the talking heads shows awhile back. Wonder what came of all that? Paternity tests don't take any time at all.
Who is FHP and how was he going to get access to DNA from an accident that happened over a year ago?
Sorry but that is not making any sense.
twilight829
08-20-2008, 03:31 AM
You are 100% correct. Here is the link to videos from our local paper (Orlando Sentinal). Go to page six on the vids and you'll see the title "Detective describes smell in car".
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-081908,0,7855372.story
Thank you so much for that link. But it does break my heart.
peace9274
08-20-2008, 03:33 AM
I know it's so sad, I could cry. I heard a detective say in hot climates like FL decomp starts within 24 hours. I'm sure if she did die her remains were skeletal within just days. :(:mad::furious::(
This makes me so sad, also. What happens if they never find a body?
I can't help but think of the alligator stories in the past.
I wonder if calling JG asking him to spend time together, and hanging out so much at clubs, etc... was she making sure she had alibies to where she was and witnesses to prove it?
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 03:34 AM
Lol, on that note I'm going to bed. Goodnight.
night suziQ get some rest. busy day tomorrow solving this crime!
liltigress
08-20-2008, 03:38 AM
Well goodnight yall.
This WS crack addict has to sleep it off now. :)
Big happenings tomorrow.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 03:39 AM
IIRC, that info was pulled up by Nurse, Blink and some others specifically for Florida. And I do definitely remember that they have a seated grand jury in Florida. I wish I could point you to a link, but at 1:21am I can't. lol.
Even if it's not a state law, the standard practice for most D.A.'s is to use a grand jury because that's the chance a D.A. gets to cross the t's and dot his i's, and have a practice trial, resulting in a higher conviction rate when it goes to trial. Many defense attorney's hate grand jury's. They say it gives the prosecution an unfair advantage.
Okay, it's just that I followed a few cases where the arrest was made before a grand jury and it was the defendants choice if they wanted a grand jury or not.
Ohio I know is that way as Bobby Cutts did not want to go before a Grand Jury. I just wasn't sure about Florida.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 03:41 AM
After all this time..with the heat...if Caylee is gone...I am afraid her tiny body wouldn't have lasted long to find her. I don't mean to sound morbid, just I can't get that thought out of my head.
That's probably the most disturbing thing about finding a missing child. What's even worse is when it finally does go to court the family has to see pictures of their loved one in that condition. Even worse they start bringing in the bug experts to prove how long the body has been there.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 03:44 AM
I just see her alive and happy unless I see DNA results from that trunk proving she was deceased.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 03:49 AM
Casey's probably wide awake laying there on her cot thinking about that Big Mac and Coors Lite.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:50 AM
"Lying is not a criminal offense." Cindy Anthony If it's not, then why is Scott P in the slammer for murdering Laci without any evidence that he committed a murder? Cindy better check that statement again. I wonder if she ever heard of Scott P?
LOL Lying and sleeping with Amber. :rolleyes:
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 03:54 AM
I didn't follow that case but lying to LE never helps in any way shape or form. Even though I think Caylee is alive the lying to LE is bogging this case down.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:56 AM
Thanks Suzi Quzi...
Casey Anthony set to walk out of jail as early as 8:30 AM
I saw on Greta where they showed what Casey's steps out of the jail will look like, including getting to the parking lot where she will leave. I was thinking, they better have her protected like Secret Service surrounding George Bush if they want her alive to talk. I have a feeling if she gets out, there is going to be some horrible happenings.
Why?? Why would someone want to hurt Casey?? And especially before Caylee is found? Casey is not been proven guilty of anything yet. Let the process work itself out.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:59 AM
Hi all! Yes, yet another newbie. I have only been lurking since this case began, yall all go so fast, I can hardly keep up. But I can no longer keep quiet, as I am tired of talking to my computer and not getting answers....LOL. I am trying to stay with facts only in this case (which is hard to do), but each time the one thing I keep going back to is the cadaver dogs. I just can't get past that point, no matter how hard I try to make myself believe Caylee is still here.
IMO Cadaver dogs are great, but they are not infallible, neither is their handler. You can't go to court with just the cadaver dogs as evidence, you have to have something else like DNA to back it up.
Elphaba
08-20-2008, 04:01 AM
Martha Stewart and Cindy need to have a talk... maybe they can make cookies together on the MS show, or a door wreath, as Martha explains where lying, or even daring to conspire to lie, will get you.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 04:06 AM
Martha Stewart and Cindy need to have a talk... maybe they can make cookies together on the MS show, or a door wreath, as Martha explains where lying, or even daring to conspire to lie, will get you.
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 04:13 AM
Why?? Why would someone want to hurt Casey?? And especially before Caylee is found? Casey is not been proven guilty of anything yet. Let the process work itself out.
Why would anyone hurt an innocent child? Personally I think the judge should revolk her bond because the BH is receiving threatening phone calls, her myspace has been flooded with threats, the Anthony's have had death threats, and there's a lot of pent up anger in that household. In short, society is a danger to Casey......Casey may be a danger to society, or even worse Casey may even hurt herself. I agree, let the process work itself out and keep her in jail until she either tells the TRUTH about who really has her daughter, or is truthful about what she has done to her daughter.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 04:14 AM
I keep thinking maybe dogs were wrong also, but in my gut says they are right. Makes sense about handlers making the mistakes though. Has anyone found info on cadaver dogs. Such as how many have been wrong?
Do some research on "Cadaver dog handler Sandra Anderson".
Another reason no to only trust the dogs but yet again don't always trust the handlers.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 04:20 AM
Snip
Once Casey is tried for child neglect and obstruction of justice and either convicted or acquitted, she can't be tried for any additional charges stemming from that case. It's double jeopardy.
snip
I don't believe that for one moment. Child neglect is so totally different from murder. If they convicted her of child neglect and found her guilty then that is ONLY for neglect not for murder. Later if they found a body and DNA evidence that Casey killer her, then they could still charge her with murder. Two separate chargers.
And yes I know what the law says for Florida.
DazzlinDebSD
08-20-2008, 04:27 AM
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/FinnDetails.aspx?SessionID=a84a6f52-17e6-429c-a117-ff96a07d90b5&CaseID=5960531&PartyID=none&Subject=none
Cha Ching and the bills are going to start adding up!!!!
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=a84a6f52-17e6-429c-a117-ff96a07d90b5&CaseID=5960531
Elphaba
08-20-2008, 04:34 AM
Why would anyone want to hurt Casey? There are some unstable people out there that think they have to take the law into their own hands and engage in vigilante justice. Being as Caylee has been missing for 2 months and all fingers seem to point to Casey as to why the child is gone and there being no resolve, some off-the-wall person out there may take it as LE not doing their duty and charging her with murder... so they justify in their brain that the only option is to take the law into their own hand and take Casey out.
I believe the Anthony camp when they say that they have gotten death threats... there are just some very unstable people out there.
txsvicki
08-20-2008, 04:42 AM
I'm even worried that Casey won't even be found guilty of child neglect.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 04:44 AM
Why would anyone hurt an innocent child? Personally I think the judge should revolk her bond because the BH is receiving threatening phone calls, her myspace has been flooded with threats, the Anthony's have had death threats, and there's a lot of pent up anger in that household. In short, society is a danger to Casey......Casey may be a danger to society, or even worse Casey may even hurt herself. I agree, let the process work itself out and keep her in jail until she either tells the TRUTH about who really has her daughter, or is truthful about what she has done to her daughter.
I don't believe the judge can revoke her bond because someone has threatened her. I think it would be unfair if the judge did that. it wouldn't be right making her set in jail for some loud mouth shouting his/her mouth off.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 04:45 AM
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/FinnDetails.aspx?SessionID=a84a6f52-17e6-429c-a117-ff96a07d90b5&CaseID=5960531&PartyID=none&Subject=none
Cha Ching and the bills are going to start adding up!!!!
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=a84a6f52-17e6-429c-a117-ff96a07d90b5&CaseID=5960531
I can't get either link to give any info.
STEADFAST
08-20-2008, 04:48 AM
I just see her alive and happy unless I see DNA results from that trunk proving she was deceased.
It would be very nice to consider all missing children as alive and happy unless proved otherwise, but I just can't feel that way.
Seems to me as if, even given that she could be alive and well taken care of, she would be missing her mommy and grandma and wondering why they don't come for her.
Sherbie
08-20-2008, 05:53 AM
The dogs only raise suspicion they do not prove a body was there.
Correct, Rose. However, in this case, there are several humans (including the defendant's own mother as well as seasoned detectives) and three separate, trained cadaver dogs (one which hit on the trunk and the spots in the yard; a second which alerted to the same yard spots; and a third which confirmed the first dog's trunk hit, IIRC).
Wouldn't you concede that there's an extremely strong possibility that the combined perception of so many people and so many dogs is going to turn out to have been correct? Or do you believe it's just as (or more?) likely that all the humans and all the dogs -- every single one of them -- are wrong about the odor being that of decomp?
Personally, I feel it's very unlikely for all the humans and dogs to be mistaken, especially given that the car had been aired out (and, IMO, possibly even cleaned to some degree since the GPs may not have known the significance until late that evening). Yet, LE and the dogs could clearly detect the odor, even with the passage of a little more time.
My common sense tells me that since it wasn't just one person's opinion or a single dog's alerting, it's a virtual certainty the testing will bear out that what was detected was, in fact, decomp -- and what else would cause that other than a body? Could it be from some as-yet-unknown deceased person's body? Well, technically, yes...but given the totality of what we know thus far, including that Caylee is the only person in this case to have been reported missing, how likely is that?
I'd respectfully say that it's not lowering the bar of justice nor unreasonable for those who believe the testing will bear out decomp to assume the premise and the source thereof for purposes of discussion here (as opposed to the concept of IUPG and proof BARD in a court of law). Like you, I certainly don't want to think Caylee is gone, but at this point, I sadly can't see it any other way.
Wise Old Owl
08-20-2008, 06:06 AM
[QUOTE=Sherbie;2525675]Correct, Rose. However, in this case, there are several humans (including the defendant's own mother as well as seasoned detectives) and three separate, trained cadaver dogs (one which hit on the trunk and the spots in the yard; a second which alerted to the same yard spots; and a third which confirmed the first dog's trunk hit, IIRC).
Could it be from some as-yet-unknown deceased person's body? Well, technically, yes...but given the totality of what we know thus far, including that Caylee is the only person in this case to have been reported missing, how likely is that?
(snipped)
We don't know that there is anyone else missing. Considering the crowd Casey ran with it is possible that some 20 something runaway, druggie, etc. could very well BE missing without being reported as yet. OR there has been someone reported missing and LE is aware but the media has not "picked up" on it being related to this case. JMO
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 06:28 AM
I don't believe the judge can revoke her bond because someone has threatened her. I think it would be unfair if the judge did that. it wouldn't be right making her set in jail for some loud mouth shouting his/her mouth off.
I agree, give her the bond and put the loud mouth in jail.
RoseRed
08-20-2008, 06:32 AM
Correct, Rose. However, in this case, there are several humans (including the defendant's own mother as well as seasoned detectives) and three separate, trained cadaver dogs (one which hit on the trunk and the spots in the yard; a second which alerted to the same yard spots; and a third which confirmed the first dog's trunk hit, IIRC).
Wouldn't you concede that there's an extremely strong possibility that the combined perception of so many people and so many dogs is going to turn out to have been correct? Or do you believe it's just as (or more?) likely that all the humans and all the dogs -- every single one of them -- are wrong about the odor being that of decomp?
Personally, I feel it's very unlikely for all the humans and dogs to be mistaken, especially given that the car had been aired out (and, IMO, possibly even cleaned to some degree since the GPs may not have known the significance until late that evening). Yet, LE and the dogs could clearly detect the odor, even with the passage of a little more time.
My common sense tells me that since it wasn't just one person's opinion or a single dog's alerting, it's a virtual certainty the testing will bear out that what was detected was, in fact, decomp -- and what else would cause that other than a body? Could it be from some as-yet-unknown deceased person's body? Well, technically, yes...but given the totality of what we know thus far, including that Caylee is the only person in this case to have been reported missing, how likely is that?
I'd respectfully say that it's not lowering the bar of justice nor unreasonable for those who believe the testing will bear out decomp to assume the premise and the source thereof for purposes of discussion here (as opposed to the concept of IUPG and proof BARD in a court of law). Like you, I certainly don't want to think Caylee is gone, but at this point, I sadly can't see it any other way.
Yes and we are all allowed our our opinions and I respect your right to yours. I just happen to hold a differing opinion and I need to see decomp DNA results.
Feistyoldbroad
08-20-2008, 06:37 AM
Yes and we are all allowed our our opinions and I respect your right to yours. I just happen to hold a differing opinion and I need to see decomp DNA results.
It's a wonderful thing that we all have our own opinion. Life would be very boring and less enlightening.
I would make a horrible defense atty!:blushing:
softsoul
08-20-2008, 06:54 AM
[quote=Sherbie;2525675]Correct, Rose. However, in this case, there are several humans (including the defendant's own mother as well as seasoned detectives) and three separate, trained cadaver dogs (one which hit on the trunk and the spots in the yard; a second which alerted to the same yard spots; and a third which confirmed the first dog's trunk hit, IIRC).
Could it be from some as-yet-unknown deceased person's body? Well, technically, yes...but given the totality of what we know thus far, including that Caylee is the only person in this case to have been reported missing, how likely is that?
(snipped)
We don't know that there is anyone else missing. Considering the crowd Casey ran with it is possible that some 20 something runaway, druggie, etc. could very well BE missing without being reported as yet. OR there has been someone reported missing and LE is aware but the media has not "picked up" on it being related to this case. JMO
While I too would be ecstatic to find that Caylee is still among the living...I have to ask if you really believe there is more than a .00000000000000000000000000000001% chance that what you stated could be true? So the dead body of some 20some unidentified druggie just happened to be in Casey's trunk at the same time her child comes up missing???
ETA more zeros to the percentage of that occurring :)
maya.morgen
08-20-2008, 07:09 AM
If there were no cadaver dogs I still wouldn't have believed in the kidnapper theory,I probably would have thought that she sold Caylee to someone or just gave her away.But we have different cadaver dogs hitting on the same spots.That says a LOT,to me at least.
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