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manatee
08-20-2008, 10:06 AM
I posted this on another thread but I'm curious at to how others feel.
This is JMHO. I get the feeling that there is something romantic going on between the two. When it was mentioned on NG that Baez had stayed until early morning hours and over 4hrs talking to Casey, I wondered if he was married (which I can't seem to find) If he is, what the heck is his wife thinking???? I woman would Casey's sexual history would not be someone I would want around my husband for soooo many hours. I think when this is all said and done we are going to hear of a possible sexual relationship (JMHO). Perhaps this is why he is so duped into thinking that she is not involved in Caylee's disappearance. He is inlove???
Anyone else get this feeling?
liltigress
08-20-2008, 10:09 AM
I would think Baez is much smarter than getting romantically involved with the defendant he's trying to represent. I also heard the reports of him going to the jail for a visit around 11pm and stayed for 4 hours, but his associate was also with him, according to Fox News.
ETA: I believe Fox news originally reported he was there for 4 hours. I believe that has now changed.
manatee
08-20-2008, 10:14 AM
I would think Baez is much smarter than getting romantically involved with the defendant he's trying to represent. I also heard the reports of him going to the jail for a visit around 11pm and stayed for 4 hours, but his associate was also with him, according to Fox News.
I hope you are right. But we all know, this has nothing to with being smart. Lets see...Clinton, Edwards, Gary Hart, Jim Baker....the list goes on and on... My fear is that this will further complicate things and muddy the waters in trying to make sense of the situation and FINDING CAYLEE or at least finding out what happened to her.
manatee
08-20-2008, 12:53 PM
So not many people see this? I guess I've been around the block to many times and seen too many things. But don't forget you heard it here first....yes, jmho
manatee
08-20-2008, 01:00 PM
I just don't see that.
hope I'm wrong and that you are right.
pixies
08-20-2008, 01:21 PM
Again...kennedy, edwards, hart, baker, gingrich, NYC governor Spitzer with call girl, the other one who had an affair with a man(forgot his name, sorry) should I go on? All apparently intelligent men that ruined everything to have sex with....I won't say it...you get the idea. Smarter men (and I'm sure women too), have ruined everything for that. So I would not be surprised.
I know where you are coming from and I totally understand but I just do not see this young, handsome an very greedy and determined lawyer throwing it all away on some skany child killer.
This is his ONE shot at fame and at being the "top lawyer celebrity". He would never give that up just to bed someone who is a tramp and going to spend the rest of her life in prison.
manatee
08-20-2008, 01:22 PM
I know where you are coming from and I totally understand but I just do not see this young, handsome an very greedy and determined lawyer throwing it all away on some skany child killer.
This is his ONE shot at fame and at being the "top lawyer celebrity". He would never give that up just to bed someone who is a tramp and going to spend the rest of her life in prison.
hope you are right. But S-E-X has no brain. Sorry to say!
Fandy
08-20-2008, 01:24 PM
Again...kennedy, edwards, hart, baker, gingrich, NYC governor Spitzer with call girl, the other one who had an affair with a man(forgot his name, sorry) should I go on? All apparently intelligent men that ruined everything to have sex with....I won't say it...you get the idea. Smarter men (and I'm sure women too), have ruined everything for that. So I would not be surprised.
it was the governor of NJ, Jim McGreevy who resigned over an affair with a male.
I don't see any physical attraction between Baez or Casey. I would think she may be one of his more attractive clients, but she is just his claim to fame.
manatee
08-20-2008, 01:28 PM
it was the governor of NJ, Jim McGreevy who resigned over an affair with a male.
I don't see any physical attraction between Baez or Casey. I would think she may be one of his more attractive clients, but she is just his claim to fame.
All I'm saying...If he has a wife...this is a call out to her to pay attention.
OPEN YOUR EYES!
but i could be wrong, hopefully.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 01:31 PM
I know where you are coming from and I totally understand but I just do not see this young, handsome an very greedy and determined lawyer throwing it all away on some skany child killer.
This is his ONE shot at fame and at being the "top lawyer celebrity". He would never give that up just to bed someone who is a tramp and going to spend the rest of her life in prison.
Agreed!:clap:
helloitsme
08-20-2008, 01:41 PM
Again...kennedy, edwards, hart, baker, gingrich, NYC governor Spitzer with call girl, the other one who had an affair with a man(forgot his name, sorry) should I go on? All apparently intelligent men that ruined everything to have sex with....I won't say it...you get the idea. Smarter men (and I'm sure women too), have ruined everything for that. So I would not be surprised.
A wise man once said:
God, in his infinite wisdom, gave man a brain and a penis,
but only enough blood to run one at a time:)
MomPI
08-20-2008, 01:52 PM
I posted this on another thread but I'm curious at to how others feel.
This is JMHO. I get the feeling that there is something romantic going on between the two. When it was mentioned on NG that Baez had stayed until early morning hours and over 4hrs talking to Casey, I wondered if he was married (which I can't seem to find) If he is, what the heck is his wife thinking???? I woman would Casey's sexual history would not be someone I would want around my husband for soooo many hours. I think when this is all said and done we are going to hear of a possible sexual relationship (JMHO). Perhaps this is why he is so duped into thinking that she is not involved in Caylee's disappearance. He is inlove???
Anyone else get this feeling?
Funny you should bring that up. After hearing him on the phone last night with Greta, I was thinking the same thing. There was something about his tone, the way he kept saying "Casey and I (think/feel)", the way he said she was a very smart woman. IMO, there was just a subtle intimacy in the way he talked about her that I don't remember hearing previously.
manatee
08-20-2008, 01:54 PM
A wise man once said:
God, in his infinite wisdom, gave man a brain and a penis,
but only enough blood to run one at a time:)
:laugh::laugh:
maybe I'm old and bitter and have been around the block too many times or just overly suspicious of close relationships between men and women.
Deputy Andy
08-20-2008, 01:59 PM
manatee, for some odd reason I can't explain rationally, yesterday I had the exact same thought as your first post here. Maybe our minds are just in the gutter or whatever, but, yeah, I hear ya....
Deputy Andy
Angelonline
08-20-2008, 02:02 PM
I heard on Greta last night that Baez had stayed with Casey until 1:30 am on Tuesday Morning. That seems very odd to me. Why can't he talk to her during normal hours.??
manatee
08-20-2008, 02:06 PM
manatee, for some odd reason I can't explain rationally, yesterday I had the exact same thought as your first post here. Maybe our minds are just in the gutter or whatever, but, yeah, I hear ya....
Deputy Andy
Me neither. I think is called experience??? We've seen this before? We read people better?
After the fall from grace of my boy wonder, Edwards, I have no faith that men an women can have close profesional relationships without "IT" getting in the way...too sad.
I had the feeling before last nights show...but last night, after I heard about these long meetings, my gut just would not stop. Casey seems to be the kind of girl that gets her way by using "IT" to her advantage. JMHO
manatee
08-20-2008, 02:24 PM
Funny you should bring that up. After hearing him on the phone last night with Greta, I was thinking the same thing. There was something about his tone, the way he kept saying "Casey and I (think/feel)", the way he said she was a very smart woman. IMO, there was just a subtle intimacy in the way he talked about her that I don't remember hearing previously.
yeah, maybe that's what set me off too. Again, I don't think everyone would see that. It's one of those things that you start to notice after awhile. Casey's got him wrapped around her little finger. Just like all the other men in her life.
Deputy Andy
08-20-2008, 02:26 PM
manatee,
Yep. Experience. And everything else you've said here. Also what we seem to know about these two characters. Isn't it the case that Casey found JB's card at the jailhouse on the day she was arrested? That's what I originally heard, but a friend said it was Cindy who found the card. What a golden moment for him.
"Some people have taken pure bull****
and turned it into gold"
- Neil Young, "leave the driving", Greendale
manatee
08-20-2008, 02:29 PM
manatee,
Yep. Experience. And everything else you've said here. Also what we seem to know about these two characters. Isn't it the case that Casey found JB's card at the jailhouse on the day she was arrested? That's what I originally heard, but a friend said it was Cindy who found the card. What a golden moment for him.
"Some people have taken pure bull****
and turned it into gold"
- Neil Young, "leave the driving", Greendale
interesting! I had not heard that. :waitasec: I'm sure time will tell. This is unfortunately, like watching a train wreck and there is nothing we can do to stop it
eleven
08-20-2008, 02:37 PM
Hmmm. Nah, I don't think so
JulieR
08-20-2008, 02:37 PM
OOOO Please! He is doing his job, defending her. I don't think he personally believes her, but he is doing his job.......and a darn good one at that. I don't think they could be getting it on in jail, now them would be some real tapes to watch. He would'nt being doing his job if he came out and said OOO well, I think she killed her kid, but they have nothing on her. JMO As far as him being there till 1:30 in the morning...........over time, without reporters.
Fandy
08-20-2008, 02:38 PM
interesting! I had not heard that. :waitasec: I'm sure time will tell. This is unfortunately, like watching a train wreck and there is nothing we can do to stop it
I have not heard this....I've heard (or read on here) that JB was recommended to Casey while she was in a holding cell????
AmyinTheHam
08-20-2008, 02:43 PM
I actually would not put it past Casey. She likes control and what better way to control a man than by giving him and then controlling what he most wants...
I honestly don't think this lawyer is all that experienced (I read 3 years somewhere) and that he might be easily manipulated by a client due to his lack of experience.
manatee
08-20-2008, 02:47 PM
OOOO Please! He is doing his job, defending her. I don't think he personally believes her, but he is doing his job.......and a darn good one at that. I don't think they could be getting it on in jail, now them would be some real tapes to watch. He would'nt being doing his job if he came out and said OOO well, I think she killed her kid, but they have nothing on her. JMO As far as him being there till 1:30 in the morning...........over time, without reporters.
Let's hope I'm sick and demented and that you guys are right.
However, there does not have to be a physical relationship for there to be an affair going on. Ask all of those wives/husbands whose spouses have had email or internet affairs. Again this could just be my warped mind perhaps still trying to recover from the shock of Edwards.
manatee
08-20-2008, 02:51 PM
I actually would not put it past Casey. She likes control and what better way to control a man than by giving him and then controlling what he most wants...
I honestly don't think this lawyer is all that experienced (I read 3 years somewhere) and that he might be easily manipulated by a client due to his lack of experience.
This is exactly the feeling I'm getting. The promise of "IT" is even more of a motivator than if you already got "it." I can really see her playing that card and Baez falling for it. "Oh, Jose you are the only that truly understands me! You are so smart and sensitive. I am forever in your debt, blah, blah, blah:blowkiss:"
Deputy Andy
08-20-2008, 03:18 PM
OOOO Please! He is doing his job, defending her. I don't think he personally believes her, but he is doing his job.......and a darn good one at that. I don't think they could be getting it on in jail, now them would be some real tapes to watch. He would'nt being doing his job if he came out and said OOO well, I think she killed her kid, but they have nothing on her. JMO As far as him being there till 1:30 in the morning...........over time, without reporters.
Yes, the only person Casey might actually open up to is a love interest, and JB might be willing to do anything to win this case. Just my opinion.
manatee
08-20-2008, 03:23 PM
Yes, the only person Casey might actually open up to is a love interest, and JB might be willing to do anything to win this case. Just my opinion.
That's another point I didn't think about...:waitasec:
But, I'm not sure that Baez really wants Casey to confess. That may put him in a tough spot. I feel more that Casey is in total control of him at this point and he may not even know it. But apparently there are a lot of people that don't see this...so I may just be imagining things or they (other posters) are just naive and innocent and have never been cheated on.
jmo
CrimeBella
08-20-2008, 03:23 PM
I don't think they have a romantic relationship, but I am curious as to how she acquired him. She had no job, that we know of, and has opted to hire a private attorney vs. a public defender? I am very curious as to who is paying him and how they got connected.
curiositycat
08-20-2008, 03:25 PM
manatee... I totally agree. I brought up the same subject after seeing the body language between them the huge smile that lit up Casey's face when she first saw him, was more IMHO, then the relief of a client to see she had a lawyer. It was like she knew him personally.
OTH maybe Casey lights up like that with "all" men.
manatee
08-20-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't think they have a romantic relationship, but I am curious as to how she acquired him. She had no job, that we know of, and has opted to hire a private attorney vs. a public defender? I am very curious as to who is paying him and how they got connected.
Last night on NG a caller asked and it was mentioned that he was not a public defender and that he was apparently doing this "pro-bono." Not sure if it's true...
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:31 PM
I posted this on another thread but I'm curious at to how others feel.
This is JMHO. I get the feeling that there is something romantic going on between the two. When it was mentioned on NG that Baez had stayed until early morning hours and over 4hrs talking to Casey, I wondered if he was married (which I can't seem to find) If he is, what the heck is his wife thinking???? I woman would Casey's sexual history would not be someone I would want around my husband for soooo many hours. I think when this is all said and done we are going to hear of a possible sexual relationship (JMHO). Perhaps this is why he is so duped into thinking that she is not involved in Caylee's disappearance. He is inlove???
Anyone else get this feeling?
I am just about ready to fall out of my chair!
Why in the world would anyone think there is a sexual relationship between the two? He is her lawyer, he is supposed to visit her in jail and give her advice. What kind of attorney would he be if he never visited her in jail?
Please!!!!!
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:35 PM
Again...kennedy, edwards, hart, baker, gingrich, NYC governor Spitzer with call girl, the other one who had an affair with a man(forgot his name, sorry) should I go on? All apparently intelligent men that ruined everything to have sex with....I won't say it...you get the idea. Smarter men (and I'm sure women too), have ruined everything for that. So I would not be surprised.
I sure hope this RUMOR doesn't become FACT by the end of the day.
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 03:35 PM
Last night on NG a caller asked and it was mentioned that he was not a public defender and that he was apparently doing this "pro-bono." Not sure if it's true...
"Pro-bono"....... hehehe (Channeling Beavis & Butthead)
I doubt he'd fall for the likes of Casey... for what? A quickie with a sickie? lol
And you have to hope even Baez would realize that submitting to a disturbed & manipulative woman like Casey would be a very powerful weapon she could use to threaten him with in the future.
Actually, I'd hope he's protecting himself against totally unfounded accusations also because I believe Casey will throw ANYONE under the bus if the mood strikes her. She's a user & an abuser.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:38 PM
I heard on Greta last night that Baez had stayed with Casey until 1:30 am on Tuesday Morning. That seems very odd to me. Why can't he talk to her during normal hours.??
Maybe because he is working on her case during normal hours. Having to work with places that are open during normal hours.
Attorneys visit their clients in jail all the time and at all hours of the day and night. This is nothing new.
manatee
08-20-2008, 03:39 PM
I am just about ready to fall out of my chair!
Why in the world would anyone think there is a sexual relationship between the two? He is her lawyer, he is supposed to visit her in jail and give her advice. What kind of attorney would he be if he never visited her in jail?
Please!!!!!
Foxxtrot: maybe we are old, jaded, people that have seen this far too many times. Person in power with charisma, young impressionable apparent victim that uses male attention for self-worth...better people have fallen. It's not the visits so much as reading body language, small cues, knowing Casey's past, somehow your gut gives you the suspicion that something is not quite right. But you are right. I have no facts just my gut...and again, and again I sure hope I am completely wrong and my mind is playing tricks of me and Baez is a pure in his thoughts. :rolleyes:
manatee
08-20-2008, 03:46 PM
I sure hope this RUMOR doesn't become FACT by the end of the day.
I SURE HOPE WE KNOW THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION!!!! PLEASE! ONLY MY OPINION! I DIDN'T NOT HEAR THIS ANYWHERE. IT WAS NOT REPORTED ANY WHERE. JUST ME AND MY GUT!
ok i will stop screaming. This should not be even a rumor. I did not hear from anyone that it was happening or read it it is simply my "MY" sick perverted mind feeling this. It may or may not be the case.
There is certainly no evidence of it. I hope everyone knows the difference between a rumor and a theory or a gut feeling or for that matter a fact.
french75
08-20-2008, 03:53 PM
I think this is totally ridiculous... it's not like they can carry on an affair in the wee hours of the morning. It's a jail!
And I take offence to the comment about a woman "with her sexual history" as well. What do we even know about her sex life other than that she's had at least one partner? And even if she had 1000, so what?
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:54 PM
I actually would not put it past Casey. She likes control and what better way to control a man than by giving him and then controlling what he most wants...
I honestly don't think this lawyer is all that experienced (I read 3 years somewhere) and that he might be easily manipulated by a client due to his lack of experience.
Jose Baez (http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Jose/AboutUs_Jose_English.html)
He has more experience than 3 years.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:56 PM
Let's hope I'm sick and demented and that you guys are right.
However, there does not have to be a physical relationship for there to be an affair going on. Ask all of those wives/husbands whose spouses have had email or internet affairs. Again this could just be my warped mind perhaps still trying to recover from the shock of Edwards.
Just because some husbands cheat on their wives does not in any way suggest that Baez is having an affair with anyone much less Casey.
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 03:58 PM
That's another point I didn't think about...:waitasec:
But, I'm not sure that Baez really wants Casey to confess. That may put him in a tough spot. I feel more that Casey is in total control of him at this point and he may not even know it. But apparently there are a lot of people that don't see this...so I may just be imagining things or they (other posters) are just naive and innocent and have never been cheated on.
jmo
So are you basing this fictional affair on the fact that you have been cheated on?
manatee
08-20-2008, 03:59 PM
I think this is totally ridiculous... it's not like they can carry on an affair in the wee hours of the morning. It's a jail!
And I take offence to the comment about a woman "with her sexual history" as well. What do we even know about her sex life other than that she's had at least one partner? And even if she had 1000, so what?
you are right. didn't mean to upset you, french. sorry. I know nothing about her sex life...just my perverted mind that tells me I would not want her around my husband for hours on end...in jail or not. affairs do not have to be physical, do they?
But Ok. i'm dropping it now. But don't forget i told you all so if it happens to be true later on. kill me now :bang:
Foxxtrot
08-20-2008, 04:02 PM
Foxxtrot: maybe we are old, jaded, people that have seen this far too many times. Person in power with charisma, young impressionable apparent victim that uses male attention for self-worth...better people have fallen. It's not the visits so much as reading body language, small cues, knowing Casey's past, somehow your gut gives you the suspicion that something is not quite right. But you are right. I have no facts just my gut...and again, and again I sure hope I am completely wrong and my mind is playing tricks of me and Baez is a pure in his thoughts. :rolleyes:
Haven't we only seen clips of Casey and Baez in court? How in the world could anyone take those clips and smiles as having an affair?
I am sorry but this is the most far fetched thing I have heard in this case and it is terribly unfair to Baez.
ShouldBWorking
08-20-2008, 04:05 PM
Haven't we only seen clips of Casey and Baez in court? How in the world could anyone take those clips and smiles as having an affair?
I am sorry but this is the most far fetched thing I have heard in this case and it is terribly unfair to Baez.
I just add this to the list of the off the wall allegations I've heard, is every case like this?
french75
08-20-2008, 04:07 PM
:eek:you are right. didn't mean to upset you, french. sorry. I know nothing about her sex life...just my perverted mind that tells me I would not want her around my husband for hours on end...in jail or not. affairs do not have to be physical, do they?
But Ok. i'm dropping it now. But don't forget i told you all so if it happens to be true later on. kill me now :bang:
This case has been so strange though... if it came out that this was true, I'd just add it to the pile of "you've got to be kidding" moments!! Nothing's shocking anymore!
manatee
08-20-2008, 04:14 PM
I just add this to the list of the off the wall allegations I've heard, is every case like this?
I AM NOT MAKING ALLEGATIONS. JUST COMMENTING ON MY FEELINGS ABOUT THOSE TWO. you can slap me if you want
:slap:
babycat
08-20-2008, 04:16 PM
Me neither. I think is called experience??? We've seen this before? We read people better?
After the fall from grace of my boy wonder, Edwards, I have no faith that men an women can have close profesional relationships without "IT" getting in the way...too sad.
I had the feeling before last nights show...but last night, after I heard about these long meetings, my gut just would not stop. Casey seems to be the kind of girl that gets her way by using "IT" to her advantage. JMHO
I'm not Heidi Klum or anything, but I'm not a total wreck, and I have plenty of close relationships with professional men without having sex with them. I think you're painting with a broad brush, there. I'm willing to bet that there are more professional relationships in which people are NOT having an affair, than vice versa.
Also, I'm sure their contact in the jail is limited/monitored.
Not to mention you reference Casey's "sexual history" but we have NO clue about her sexual history. For all we know, she might have only been with two people. Maybe three. Maybe they were usually long relationships. Just because she doesn't say who the father is, or lies about who he is, doesn't mean she is promiscuous. Lots of people are unwed mothers, and prefer to leave the fathers off of the certificate for one reason or another. I don't think it's fair to infer anything about a person's sexual history just because they are meeting with their attorney, in a supervised jail, late at night. I'm pretty sure she's not allowed conjugal contact.
I'm not trying to knock your opinion- and I'm CERTAINLY not trying to take up for Casey...You may very well be right in your assumption. I just feel like it is unlikely, given the fact that there is probably SOME degree of supervision in the jail (windows, cameras without sound, someone checking in, etc)
amethyst221
08-20-2008, 04:18 PM
I can see someone in her position becoming really attached to her attorney. He's her contact and supporter right now. That said, I think it's a reach to say he's involved with her romantically. That and stealing client money will buy you an express ticket on the disbarment train. All the Casey, poor Casey stuff is an attempt to humanize her, PR. We say defendant (or worse), he says poor little young mom Casey. :boohoo: I've been around too long to deny the general proposition that some men cheat, but still . . .
babycat
08-20-2008, 04:20 PM
Also, I don't really feel like you can conclude that you "read people better" when you have no idea of those allegations are true. That's like me saying I'm better at predicting the weather just because I think it might rain, and you don't. You might not be reading it right at all.
No offense. I feel like I'm coming off as rude, and I hope that's not the case:( Just my thoughts
babycat
08-20-2008, 04:21 PM
I can see someone in her position becoming really attached to her attorney. He's her contact and supporter right now. That said, I think it's a reach to say he's involved with her romantically. That and stealing client money will buy you an express ticket on the disbarment train. All the Casey, poor Casey stuff is an attempt to humanize her, PR. We say defendant (or worse), he says poor little young mom Casey. :boohoo: I've been around too long to deny the general proposition that some men cheat, but still . . .
agreed. these are my thoughts, too:)
manatee
08-20-2008, 04:30 PM
Again: relationships don't have to be sexual but you all have great points and they are well taken. thanks for putting my mind at ease. Perhaps I am imagining things and going crazy due to this case :crazy:
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 04:37 PM
Perhaps I am imagining things and going crazy due to this case :crazy:
No problem.... just blame it on Zenaida & the media...... that's what all the cool kids do. lol
amethyst221
08-20-2008, 04:38 PM
Again: relationships don't have to be sexual but you all have great points and they are well taken. thanks for putting my mind at ease. Perhaps I am imagining things and going crazy due to this case :crazy:
Aren't we all! Not trying to pile on, just my opinion. :)
curiositycat
08-20-2008, 04:56 PM
Random thought..What if Casey was an escort? Maybe she had several rich men as clients. Even the governor of New York, with a very attractive wife, used an escort. In my opinion she looked no better or worse then Casey.
Seeing an escort is not seen by a lot of men as adultery.
Just stating a random thought.
LI_Mom
08-20-2008, 05:01 PM
Random thought..What if Casey was an escort? Maybe she had several rich men as clients. Even the governor of New York, with a very attractive wife, used an escort. In my opinion she looked no better or worse then Casey.
Seeing an escort is not seen by a lot of men as adultery.
Just stating a random thought.
Who would care.... except maybe her own family? I doubt she'd have such a high status job though. lol
The important question is WHERE did she leave/put her daughter.....
I just don't buy that some mean, rotten person ran off with her baby & she said NOTHING.... because she was afraid they'd "pin it on HER."
And she wasted a month lying about a make-believe babysitter because she was so afraid of the make-believe kidnapper.
It makes NO sense.
NighTillDawn
08-20-2008, 05:02 PM
Random thought..What if Casey was an escort? Maybe she had several rich men as clients. Even the governor of New York, with a very attractive wife, used an escort. In my opinion she looked no better or worse then Casey.
Seeing an escort is not seen by a lot of men as adultery.
Just stating a random thought.
Ummm, I don't think there is a what if. Didn't you see the photobucket picture of Casey adverstising herself?
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/?action=view¤t=jklgnjkh.jpg
I think that says a million words in itself.
:praying: for Caylee
babycat
08-20-2008, 05:44 PM
Again: relationships don't have to be sexual but you all have great points and they are well taken. thanks for putting my mind at ease. Perhaps I am imagining things and going crazy due to this case :crazy:
My responses aside- it is my personal opinion that Casey would try to flirt with him, or whatever.
Though I really have no basis for feeling that way, except that she appears to be a master manipulator;)
So I do agree with some of what you're saying
wallflower67
08-20-2008, 06:47 PM
OOOO Please! He is doing his job, defending her. I don't think he personally believes her, but he is doing his job.......and a darn good one at that. I don't think they could be getting it on in jail, now them would be some real tapes to watch. He would'nt being doing his job if he came out and said OOO well, I think she killed her kid, but they have nothing on her. JMO As far as him being there till 1:30 in the morning...........over time, without reporters.
I agree. And his wife is probably thinking about the money he's making, not afraid he's having sex with a skank. I'm sure he's had clients as bad as Casey, just without this much media attention. HIs job is to make her look innocent, and appear that he genuinely believes her and cares that she gets a fair defense.
wallflower67
08-20-2008, 06:50 PM
My responses aside- it is my personal opinion that Casey would try to flirt with him, or whatever.
Though I really have no basis for feeling that way, except that she appears to be a master manipulator;)
So I do agree with some of what you're saying
I can most definitely, absolutely, etc. believe that Casey will flirt with him. I just don't think he'll fall for it. He'll use it for information on what she's really like so he can defend her better.
manatee
08-20-2008, 07:51 PM
I can most definitely, absolutely, etc. believe that Casey will flirt with him. I just don't think he'll fall for it. He'll use it for information on what she's really like so he can defend her better.
In my experience, if given the opportunity, most men find it very difficutl to say no. Maybe because as females we have the control. We decide if "ITS" going to happen or not. When we offer, most men don't know how to respond to that. This is why politicians, athletes, rock starts, fall so easily.JMO but:.....
ok. I know Chris Rock is no great psychologist or marriage counselor but he said it best "MEN ARE ONLY AS FAITHFULL AS THEIR OPTIONS." (I'm making a joke, ha, ha) :laugh: (let me brace myself for the stones)
Love_Mama
08-20-2008, 08:26 PM
Ummm, I don't think there is a what if. Didn't you see the photobucket picture of Casey adverstising herself?
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/?action=view¤t=jklgnjkh.jpg
I think that says a million words in itself.
:praying: for Caylee
NighTillDawn,
Pretty obvious huh! Thanks.........
My age group has a name for that..........a little different than what they say today!!!!
xxxxxxxxxoooo
mama
TripleA
08-20-2008, 08:26 PM
I think that this type of speculation is disgusting, defamatory and completely unfounded. Regardless of my distaste for Casey or Baez, I think that to make accusatory statements such as these goes completely beyond trashy. There are millions of professional men who do their jobs every day without cheating on their spouses.
MD MOMMY
08-20-2008, 09:05 PM
I doubt it but anything is totally possible..
zadari
08-20-2008, 09:39 PM
i think that this type of speculation is disgusting, defamatory and completely unfounded. Regardless of my distaste for casey or baez, i think that to make accusatory statements such as these goes completely beyond trashy. There are millions of professional men who do their jobs every day without cheating on their spouses.
awesome post !!!
ShouldBWorking
08-20-2008, 09:49 PM
I think that this type of speculation is disgusting, defamatory and completely unfounded. Regardless of my distaste for Casey or Baez, I think that to make accusatory statements such as these goes completely beyond trashy. There are millions of professional men who do their jobs every day without cheating on their spouses.
I think this falls on deaf ears, I was just as disgusted when there was multiple post about incest, it is all disgusting.
manatee
08-20-2008, 09:57 PM
I think that this type of speculation is disgusting, defamatory and completely unfounded. Regardless of my distaste for Casey or Baez, I think that to make accusatory statements such as these goes completely beyond trashy. There are millions of professional men who do their jobs every day without cheating on their spouses.
But unfortunately, there are a million that do and a million whose wives never find out. IMHO, the ones that don't is because they are not getting any offers... .wait (give me a second to take cover). ok slap me now :slap: I'm sharing way too much with you guys! and it may be off topic but this is just how I feel.:bang::bang:
manatee
08-20-2008, 10:36 PM
Ummm, I don't think there is a what if. Didn't you see the photobucket picture of Casey adverstising herself?
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/?action=view¤t=jklgnjkh.jpg
I think that says a million words in itself.
:praying: for Caylee
I've seen these but they don't seem professional enough to be escort quaility. There is a huge escort business here in orlando with all the conferences with host but she does not seem to fit the profile, imo.
babycat
08-20-2008, 11:48 PM
In my experience, if given the opportunity, most men find it very difficutl to say no. Maybe because as females we have the control. We decide if "ITS" going to happen or not. When we offer, most men don't know how to respond to that. This is why politicians, athletes, rock starts, fall so easily.JMO but:.....
ok. I know Chris Rock is no great psychologist or marriage counselor but he said it best "MEN ARE ONLY AS FAITHFULL AS THEIR OPTIONS." (I'm making a joke, ha, ha) :laugh: (let me brace myself for the stones)
Sorry, I think that is a crass assumption, and is very insulting to men. They're not dumb animals who lunge at everything that comes along. If some man came on this board and said that all women should stay in the home and not work, or cook and do "housewife" duties, or stay barefoot and pregnant, etc, we would NOT tolerate that. I don't think it's okay to propagate this stereotype of men. I personally think that all men that cheat have their own reasons for cheating.
Women are just as susceptible to temptation as men. Not all men are cheaters. Not all men have a hard time saying no. Not all men are bewildered when we make a pass at them.
When you make a generalization like this, it includes our husbands, brothers, sons, boyfriends, fiancees. It is kind of insulting:(
Not stoning, but I think this post is unfair.
I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way...:(
babycat
08-20-2008, 11:51 PM
But unfortunately, there are a million that do and a million whose wives never find out. IMHO, the ones that don't is because they are not getting any offers... .wait (give me a second to take cover). ok slap me now :slap: I'm sharing way too much with you guys! and it may be off topic but this is just how I feel.:bang::bang:
Well, maybe I'm just secure, or maybe I'm an optimist, but I don't automatically suspect every man on earth of being a cheater. So sue me. ;)
kc11478
08-21-2008, 12:11 AM
Well, maybe I'm just secure, or maybe I'm an optimist, but I don't automatically suspect every man on earth of being a cheater. So sue me. ;)
I second that, Babycat. I don't like sterotypes of any kind.
Foxxtrot
08-21-2008, 01:24 AM
Ummm, I don't think there is a what if. Didn't you see the photobucket picture of Casey adverstising herself?
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/?action=view¤t=jklgnjkh.jpg
I think that says a million words in itself.
:praying: for Caylee
Who put that pic together and who wrote the words on it?
I would bet they are random pics gotten off the computer and someone did that and now it is being said Casey did it.
Where did the pic come from?
Foxxtrot
08-21-2008, 01:31 AM
Sorry, I think that is a crass assumption, and is very insulting to men. They're not dumb animals who lunge at everything that comes along. If some man came on this board and said that all women should stay in the home and not work, or cook and do "housewife" duties, or stay barefoot and pregnant, etc, we would NOT tolerate that. I don't think it's okay to propagate this stereotype of men. I personally think that all men that cheat have their own reasons for cheating.
Women are just as susceptible to temptation as men. Not all men are cheaters. Not all men have a hard time saying no. Not all men are bewildered when we make a pass at them.
When you make a generalization like this, it includes our husbands, brothers, sons, boyfriends, fiancees. It is kind of insulting:(
Not stoning, but I think this post is unfair.
I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way...:(
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
You are not the only one that feels this way.
I agree with your complete post.
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 03:11 AM
Last night on NG a caller asked and it was mentioned that he was not a public defender and that he was apparently doing this "pro-bono." Not sure if it's true...
They have independent private practice attorneys that are not employed by the state but are assigned by the court when and/or if there is a conflict with the Public defenders office or possible additional involvement of other parties who will also need a PD. Special public defenders also defend murder/death penalty cases and parents who are at risk of loosing their children. There are things I'm missing, I'm sure of it.
It isn't really pro-bono or "free".. our taxes pay for their services. They don't get near the amount they would defending a private practice case but they get cases under their belt, experience and face time in court. Many lawyers apply for Special public defender during the first few years of practice to get their feet wet, become a bit more comfortable in a court room so that when they finally get their big case they are prepared.
Anyway, there is a point to all of this LOL! Although we know Baez is in private practice and is not a "public defender", do we know if he is a special public defender?
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 03:12 AM
"Pro-bono"....... hehehe (Channeling Beavis & Butthead)
I doubt he'd fall for the likes of Casey... for what? A quickie with a sickie? lol
And you have to hope even Baez would realize that submitting to a disturbed & manipulative woman like Casey would be a very powerful weapon she could use to threaten him with in the future.
Actually, I'd hope he's protecting himself against totally unfounded accusations also because I believe Casey will throw ANYONE under the bus if the mood strikes her. She's a user & an abuser.
haha LOL! I love that!
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 03:15 AM
I just add this to the list of the off the wall allegations I've heard, is every case like this?
None I have followed
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 03:17 AM
Jose Baez (http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Jose/AboutUs_Jose_English.html)
He has more experience than 3 years.
ah ha, thanks for the link. He was a public defender. I bet he is still doing "special" cases for the PD's office and that's how he landed on Casey's lap
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 03:21 AM
Random thought..What if Casey was an escort? Maybe she had several rich men as clients. Even the governor of New York, with a very attractive wife, used an escort. In my opinion she looked no better or worse then Casey.
Seeing an escort is not seen by a lot of men as adultery.
Just stating a random thought.
I just can't see it. If she were doing escort work she wouldn't still be living home with mommy, driving mommy's car, stealing mommy's money and gas cans.
MomPI
08-21-2008, 06:47 AM
I know several posters are offended by manatee's suggestion, but I want to point out that what we (since I tend to agree) might be picking up on INFATUATION. I've been in the workplace for 25 years, and although I've never had a physical relationship with a coworker, I've experienced both sides of a workplace infatuation, and I've seen several intense connections between coworkers. Whether they've actually been acted upon, I don't know. All I know is that I've picked up on the same "vibe" between JB and Casey. This in no way is a "all men are pigs" statement!
shefner
08-21-2008, 08:19 AM
You're right, MomPI....all men are pigs! LOL....LOL Just kidding
No doubt that Casey and JB are experiencing a "vibe" related to the limelight of this case. Whether that translates into anything further is yet to be seen.
babycat
08-21-2008, 08:40 AM
I know several posters are offended by manatee's suggestion, but I want to point out that what we (since I tend to agree) might be picking up on INFATUATION. I've been in the workplace for 25 years, and although I've never had a physical relationship with a coworker, I've experienced both sides of a workplace infatuation, and I've seen several intense connections between coworkers. Whether they've actually been acted upon, I don't know. All I know is that I've picked up on the same "vibe" between JB and Casey. This in no way is a "all men are pigs" statement!
I agree with this post.
Manatees opinion about Casey and Baez doesn't offend me, and I totally respect that. I also think that Casey probably might be trying toflirt with him (not making this generalization because she's a woman, but because of her past actions)
I don't think manatees posts are purposely to offend;) It's just her opinion, which is her right, and I encourage anyone to voice it. I don't necessarily agree, but I don't think she agrees with mine either. So I'm sure there are no hard feelings. I'm only disagreeing with the posts that all men will cheat, are predisposed to cheat, etc. I mean...not all of our sons/brothers/fathers/husbands etc are cheaters:)
french75
08-21-2008, 08:54 AM
Who put that pic together and who wrote the words on it?
I would bet they are random pics gotten off the computer and someone did that and now it is being said Casey did it.
Where did the pic come from?
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but those are lyrics to a song. I think it's by Saving Jane or something like that.
IrishSweetOne
08-21-2008, 09:12 AM
OK I admit it , I must be just as twisted cause I've been thinking the same thing . I mean come on I don't know of any lawyer that spends that amount of time at a jail visiting his client . The hours he's visiting through up red flags at first but then when he said he wanted her bailed out so he could have better access to her sent the ball home for me .
I would so like to be wrong about this but I have this weird gut instinct when it comes to reading people . There is definitly an attraction at the very least .
THIS IS JMHO
amethyst221
08-21-2008, 09:23 AM
I don't draw any conclusions based on how much time he spends visiting his client or when he spends it. You go when it isn't so crowded, or when it fits in your schedule, or when your client needs "managing," or some specific issue, upcoming event, etc. requires it. This is a high profile case for him, she is probably (make that almost certainly) VERY high (What about meeee) maintenance. The daily ups and downs about getting out on bail, then not, the plan for after, etc. could have been a lot to deal with and talk about. They aren't high up on my favorites list, and wish she wasn't getting bailed out, especially if it's getting to her in jail, but I just don't see anything so unusual here -- other than the defendant herself, who is unusual in every way.
manatee
08-21-2008, 11:41 AM
apparently I've upset some of you. Sorry. This is just the truth as I see it. It is based on my life experiences and that of my friends and relatives... and yes it is only my opinion, of course.
I never said "all men are pigs" either. I would rather say all "men are men." Is it nature or nurture? who knows. Women have the control when it comes to "IT" and they have been socialized to say "no." Men have been socialized by peers to say "YES."
Here is an experiment for all of you that are adamant that men can be faithful and it's about character and not environment. Let's suppose that we could arrange for your man to spend a weekend with a woman he finds extremely attractive (maybe angelina jolie or paris or anyone else he likes). Let's also suppose that this woman finds your spouse equally attractive also. Let's finally contend that there will be NO CAMERAS, or witnesses of what happened. They go to a hotel and stay there for the weekend completely alone. Bottom line: you would never know what really happen in that room, never. How many of you would sign your partners up for this experiment? how many still feel confident that your spouse would turn this person down. Again only he and this woman would know what transpired. any takers?
If you still don't see the problem, IMO, you are blinded by love or simply don't want to believe it. You are telling yourself, if he loves me he would never do it. I think you are kidding yourself and setting yourself up for disappointment. affairs have nothing to do with how much someone loves you.
I've been happily married in and affair free marriage because we follow these simple don'ts:
1) don't have breakfast, lunch, dinner, coffee, snack or anything with a person of the opposite sex alone even it its a coworker. NEVER!
2) don't go on girls night out or boys night out. trouble many times starts here
3) don't have secrets. all passwords, emails, letters and anything else should be fair game to your partner.
4) don't travel without your spouse. EVER! if your job requires you to travel and your spouse cannot come, CHANGE JOBS!!!!
5) don't share relationship issues or problems with the opposite sex. This opens the door for emotional attachment which eventually leads to an affair.
I'm sure many of you are familiar with Dr. Phil. Did you ever wonder why Robin (his wife) is always with him? I'm sure they are familiar with the research in the field of infidelity (dr. richard harley is a good source-see marriage builders)
So anyway. Hopefully this clears up what I'm saying and to bring it back to my original posts....this is why I think Baez's wife (if he has one) is crazy to allow him to spend so much time with Casey. The situation is set for problems to occur. :crazy:
babycat
08-21-2008, 12:23 PM
apparently I've upset some of you. Sorry. This is just the truth as I see it. It is based on my life experiences and that of my friends and relatives... and yes it is only my opinion, of course.
I never said "all men are pigs" either. I would rather say all "men are men." Is it nature or nurture? who knows. Women have the control when it comes to "IT" and they have been socialized to say "no." Men have been socialized by peers to say "YES."
Here is an experiment for all of you that are adamant that men can be faithful and it's about character and not environment. Let's suppose that we could arrange for your man to spend a weekend with a woman he finds extremely attractive (maybe angelina jolie or paris or anyone else he likes). Let's also suppose that this woman finds your spouse equally attractive also. Let's finally contend that there will be NO CAMERAS, or witnesses of what happened. They go to a hotel and stay there for the weekend completely alone. Bottom line: you would never know what really happen in that room, never. How many of you would sign your partners up for this experiment? how many still feel confident that your spouse would turn this person down. Again only he and this woman would know what transpired. any takers?
If you still don't see the problem, IMO, you are blinded by love or simply don't want to believe it. You are telling yourself, if he loves me he would never do it. I think you are kidding yourself and setting yourself up for disappointment. affairs have nothing to do with how much someone loves you.
I've been happily married in and affair free marriage because we follow these simple don'ts:
1) don't have breakfast, lunch, dinner, coffee, snack or anything with a person of the opposite sex alone even it its a coworker. NEVER!
2) don't go on girls night out or boys night out. trouble many times starts here
3) don't have secrets. all passwords, emails, letters and anything else should be fair game to your partner.
4) don't travel without your spouse. EVER! if your job requires you to travel and your spouse cannot come, CHANGE JOBS!!!!
5) don't share relationship issues or problems with the opposite sex. This opens the door for emotional attachment which eventually leads to an affair.
I'm sure many of you are familiar with Dr. Phil. Did you ever wonder why Robin (his wife) is always with him? I'm sure they are familiar with the research in the field of infidelity (dr. richard harley is a good source-see marriage builders)
I would sign my fiancee up for that experiment, 100%. We have only been together for 7 years, but he works around good looking cocktail waitresses, one on one with many people, and I know he's never cheated. He doesn't have time. He's always here:) Straight to work, straight home. Conversely, I have many, many close relationships with my male friends. I frequently have lunch with men, one one one. Even with my exboyfriend! My fiancee is always invited, but doesn't always go. My fiancee is secure and has every reason to be. They don't make passes at me, because they respect me, and my relationship. And if they ever did make a pass, I would inform my fiancee immediately, and limit my contact with that person.
If any man ever told me to follow you "rules", i would be out the door in a heartbeat, thinking they had lost it. I am a mover, very independent, and very secure in myself and my relationships. If someone told me to follow those "rules", I would assume that they are insecure, and didn't trust me. I need privacy, and space! Privacy isn't about hiding something, but about personal boundaries.
The only "rule" I agree with is number 5. Also, my spouse and I share passwords, but it was never a rule...we just do it, because we occassionally need in one anothers accounts for stuff. The rest of those "rules", I feel, are unhealthy, and controlling. But each relationship is different, and different things make different people feel secure.
Also, Dr. Phil is not my moral compass. I don't just trust what I see on tv. Not to mention, we have no way of knowing that Dr. Phil has not cheated on his wife, or that his marriage is healthy.
But we are very different people, with different relationships, and everyone has what works for them. That's what is important.
I just hate how this went from Casey/Baez assumptions to, it seems, stereotyping men, and assuming other posters are "naive" just because we don't keep our husbands on lock down, or think men will cheat.
manatee
08-21-2008, 12:31 PM
I would sign my fiancee up for that experiment, 100%. We have only been together for 7 years, but he works around good looking cocktail waitresses, one on one with many people, and I know he's never cheated. He doesn't have time. He's always here:) Straight to work, straight home. Conversely, I have many, many close relationships with my male friends. I frequently have lunch with men, one one one. Even with my exboyfriend! My fiancee is always invited, but doesn't always go. My fiancee is secure and has every reason to be. They don't make passes at me, because they respect me, and my relationship. And if they ever did make a pass, I would inform my fiancee immediately, and limit my contact with that person.
If any man ever told me to follow you "rules", i would be out the door in a heartbeat, thinking they had lost it. I am a mover, very independent, and very secure in myself and my relationships. If someone told me to follow those "rules", I would assume that they are insecure, and didn't trust me. I need privacy, and space! Privacy isn't about hiding something, but about personal boundaries.
The only "rule" I agree with is number 5. Also, my spouse and I share passwords, but it was never a rule...we just do it, because we occassionally need in one anothers accounts for stuff. The rest of those "rules", I feel, are unhealthy, and controlling. But each relationship is different, and different things make different people feel secure.
Also, Dr. Phil is not my moral compass. I don't just trust what I see on tv. Not to mention, we have no way of knowing that Dr. Phil has not cheated on his wife, or that his marriage is healthy.
But we are very different people, with different relationships, and everyone has what works for them. That's what is important.
I just hate how this went from Casey/Baez assumptions to, it seems, stereotyping men, and assuming other posters are "naive" just because we don't keep our husbands on lock down, or think men will cheat.
I'm not stereotyping and just realistic. I am very happy in my marriage and I gave you some of my secrets. take it or leave it.
all I'm going to say is "good luck to you." But I know that if I had to bet, I would bet that eventually you will find out I was right. Sorry to say. but I do hope for your sake, that an affair does not happen to you. Seriously. I really do hope so. But I know that the odds are against you. Do some research on the topic and you will see what I mean.
fidelity takes work.
manatee
08-21-2008, 12:35 PM
[QUOTE=babycat;2532764]I
...f any man ever told me to follow you "rules", i would be out the door in a heartbeat, thinking they had lost it. I am a mover, very independent, and very secure in myself and my relationships. If someone told me to follow those "rules", I would assume that they are insecure, and didn't trust me. I need privacy, and space! Privacy isn't about hiding something, but about personal boundaries.....
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my husband and I both agreed on these rules early on in our marriage. He never "told me." We cared about our relationship. We had both been cheated on previously and were determined that it would not a happen again. We did some research and this is what the experts recommended.
manatee
08-21-2008, 12:45 PM
....Conversely, I have many, many close relationships with my male friends. I frequently have lunch with men, one one one. Even with my exboyfriend! My fiancee is always invited, but doesn't always go... .
my answer to you is you probably have not felt the attraction. Once you do, all bets are off. Also, you don't know how they would react if YOU came on to them. try it! I guarantee you that you will not be turned down.
I have a long time high school friend who still remains unmarried because she swore that she would never marry a man that would sleep with her easily.She has gone out of her way to come on to men to find the one that will turn her down....no luck yet. She is 43 and still single. Some of the men that I knew would never fall, fallen! Married, engaged, powerful, rich, religious, needeless to say she is never allowed alone with my husband. Does she have problems? yeah, probably. She is getting older so maybe she will be turned down soon but I doubt it.
Sweetchelle
08-21-2008, 12:57 PM
I think that this type of speculation is disgusting, defamatory and completely unfounded. Regardless of my distaste for Casey or Baez, I think that to make accusatory statements such as these goes completely beyond trashy. There are millions of professional men who do their jobs every day without cheating on their spouses.
Shes entitled to her own opinion!!!!!!!
Kelsy_C
08-21-2008, 01:03 PM
Although we know Baez is in private practice and is not a "public defender", do we know if he is a special public defender?
--respectfully snipped--
Many private attorneys will still do public defender work on a case by case basis, usually based on the availability of the current public defenders. I work for a private attorney and usually about once a year we get approached by the court to take on a case. Now, I don't know if thats how it works in FL or with Baez but it certainly could be.
manatee
08-21-2008, 01:03 PM
Shes entitled to her own opinion!!!!!!!
thank you, Sweetchelle!
manatee
08-21-2008, 01:05 PM
I would sign my fiancee up for that experiment, 100%. We have only been together for 7 years, but he works around good looking cocktail waitresses, one on one with many people, and I know he's never cheated. He doesn't have time. He's always here:)
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two points. Maybe he has not had an offer? or (not saying it's happening) but many affairs happen during work hours or lunch breaks.
sorry,
Sweetchelle
08-21-2008, 01:09 PM
thank you, Sweetchelle!
yw I dont think you posting this was trashy! I actually thought the same thing this morning when a reporter said that Baez had said before he went into go get Casey. "im going to get my girl out".
If it was me I would of said "im going to get my client out" or "im going to get casey out" but not "my girl"
manatee
08-21-2008, 01:15 PM
yw I dont think you posting this was trashy! I actually thought the same thing this morning when a reporter said that Baez had said before he went into go get Casey. "im going to get my girl out".
If it was me I would of said "im going to get my client out" or "im going to get casey out" but not "my girl"
Exactly! this is all I was getting at with my post. I am certain at this point that Baez has been suckered in to Casey's lies....at least for now. He has bought her stuff hook, line and sinker...AND I hope he does not have a wife and that if he does, she better get her butt out there and become her husbands shadow before it's too late. JMHO again.
unravel
08-21-2008, 01:21 PM
I'm not stereotyping and just realistic. I am very happy in my marriage and I gave you some of my secrets. take it or leave it. [snip] all I'm going to say is "good luck to you." But I know that if I had to bet, I would bet that eventually you will find out I was right.
You are stereotyping. You are not only making statements about men in general, but going beyond that to tell women -whom you don't know- what their husbands -whom you dont' know- would do in a certain situation, based on the fact that they are men.
If you want to bet, you lose. I know people who have been driven to cheat or leave marriages because their partners insisted on the things that work for *you*.
None of that would fly with me. It screams of a complete lack of basic trust, and relationships are built ON trust. If somebody's so unworthy of my trust that I have to step out of the role of partner, and into the role of parent or parole officer [monitoring their friends, accompanying them places, denying them the basic privacy and personal space] because I feel they're bound to cheat, they're not worth my time. My husband tried to pull something like that on me early on in our relationship and I straight up verbally tore him a new #%^#@@ and told him that I was sorry XYZ had happened in his previous relationships, but I'd be damned if I'd live under a microscope or be punished for what someone else had done, that if he felt like I was so unworthy of his trust, we could end it then and there.
manatee
08-21-2008, 01:23 PM
You are stereotyping. You are not only making statements about men in general, but going beyond that to tell women -whom you don't know- what their husbands -whom you dont' know- would do in a certain situation, based on the fact that they are men.
If you want to bet, you lose. I know people who have been driven to cheat or leave marriages because their partners insisted on the things that work for *you*.
None of that would fly with me. It screams of a complete lack of basic trust, and relationships are built ON trust. If somebody's so unworthy of my trust that I have to step out of the role of partner, and into the role of parent or parole officer [monitoring their friends, accompanying them places, denying them the basic privacy and personal space] because I feel they're bound to cheat, they're not worth my time. My husband tried to pull something like that on me early on in our relationship and I straight up verbally tore him a new #%^#@@ and told him that I was sorry XYZ had happened in his previous relationships, but I'd be damned if I'd live under a microscope or be punished for what someone else had done, that if he felt like I was so unworthy of his trust, we could end it then and there.
good luck to you! really I mean it. the odds are against you. sorry.
websurfer
08-21-2008, 01:26 PM
Claudine Longet and her case comes to mind......
manatee
08-21-2008, 01:29 PM
Claudine Longet and her case comes to mind......
please pray tell!!! name rings a bell. some dancer???
JustJax
08-21-2008, 01:35 PM
please pray tell!!! name rings a bell. some dancer???
I believe she was Andy Williams wife? Also married to a prof. snow skier that was killed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudine_Longet
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 01:36 PM
yw I dont think you posting this was trashy! I actually thought the same thing this morning when a reporter said that Baez had said before he went into go get Casey. "im going to get my girl out".
If it was me I would of said "im going to get my client out" or "im going to get casey out" but not "my girl"
of course the other explanation could be that Casey is big break, the case he has hoped for his entire career. Because of her and this case, Jose Baez is now a household name. That's a big deal to some lawyers, more exciting than sex even!!
manatee
08-21-2008, 01:41 PM
of course the other explanation could be that Casey is big break, the case he has hoped for his entire career. Because of her and this case, Jose Baez is now a household name. That's a big deal to some lawyers, more exciting than sex even!!
Ok. trying to stop myself.....WTH, but he could have both!
manatee
08-21-2008, 01:50 PM
I believe she was Andy Williams wife? Also married to a prof. snow skier that was killed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudine_Longet
Wow! yeah, this does prove my point.
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 02:04 PM
--respectfully snipped--
Many private attorneys will still do public defender work on a case by case basis, usually based on the availability of the current public defenders. I work for a private attorney and usually about once a year we get approached by the court to take on a case. Now, I don't know if thats how it works in FL or with Baez but it certainly could be.
Thanks for responding :)
icherish
08-21-2008, 02:07 PM
Couldn't he be disbarred for that kind of behavior?
I think he's just a very good defense attorney-he's dedicated to his client, it's a high profile, complicated case... I would imagine there is a lot of work and some late nights involved.
Alyzabeth
08-21-2008, 02:12 PM
What would people be saying if Casey's attorney were female instead of a male? I guess we would all be finding out she's a lesbian, right?:rolleyes:
Has it occurred to anyone that it is possible to have a purely platonic relationship with a member of the opposite sex? Has it occurred to anyone that he might feel protective over Casey considering the emotional feeding frenzy that is going on with the media and internet?
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 03:04 PM
my answer to you is you probably have not felt the attraction. Once you do, all bets are off. Also, you don't know how they would react if YOU came on to them. try it! I guarantee you that you will not be turned down.
I have a long time high school friend who still remains unmarried because she swore that she would never marry a man that would sleep with her easily.She has gone out of her way to come on to men to find the one that will turn her down....no luck yet. She is 43 and still single. Some of the men that I knew would never fall, fallen! Married, engaged, powerful, rich, religious, needeless to say she is never allowed alone with my husband. Does she have problems? yeah, probably. She is getting older so maybe she will be turned down soon but I doubt it.
Since you are so willing to open your life & marriage commitments and "rules" so openly and imply that if others do not follow the same rules their marriages would not last, I thought I'd respond with some thoughts of my own.
First of all, it sounds to me like your "friend" is simply a slut. That's the only kind of woman I know of that sets out to sleep with others peoples spouses. If you do not trust this woman, this "friend" around your husband how on earth can you sit here and call her your friend? I'd be a bit more concerned about letting her interact with my children.
If a husband can't keep his penis in his pants because a beautiful woman comes on to him he is a pretty *****ty husband. If a woman has to control who is "allowed" or "dis-allowed" in her husbands life as her means to keep him from cheating on you, your marriage is in BIG trouble... and I mean HUGE.
What about trust and respect and commitment and love? If a marriage has those things (as well as sex, obviously) a man will not look outside of his relationship to have those parts of himself filled. Men who cheat are not always just after sex... many just want someone to talk to, to share ideas with, to be with a person who makes them feel as if they matter. They want to be held and they want to hold. They are looking for what they once had with their wife.
This does not mean that I believe for one second that their aren't men (and women alike) looking for pure recreational sex for sex sake. I realize some just succumb to the biological predisposition to mate. I realize that some men (and women alike) are simply scum and will cheat until the day they die but those people, IMO come with other disfunctions that are easy to spot. Those types of men have patterns and a smart, intuitive woman can pick up on them easily.
No way should a woman have to spend her life "watching" her husband and her "friends", invading her husbands privacy and having hers invaded as well. A couple of he rules you and your husband live by seem to me rules made by people who have once cheated and are determined to not let it happen again. They seem possessive, over the top, controlling and plain ol' unhealthy... kind of like the "rules" we often see in domestic violence cases. If you cannot trust that your husband can have lunch in public with a female co-worker without that somehow leading to an affair, I strongly suggest therapy. If you do not trust your friends around your husband when you are not there perhaps it's time to look into the "why" of that?
I really hope you don't take this post as me dissing you because I'm not. I feel sad for you and I want to hug you. You shared with us to the extent of telling others that their own spouses would cheat if they didn't do things your way. Perhaps your way is the faulty, unhealthy one?
Devorahhh
08-21-2008, 03:15 PM
<<OneLostGrl
Although we know Baez is in private practice and is not a "public defender", do we know if he is a special public defender?>>
In Florida, at least in the 9th judicial circuit, we have public defenders and also The Office of Regional Conflict Counsel. The Office of Regional Conflict Counsel is a group of specially appointed attorneys, one of each assigned to each judge in Orange county. Public Defenders are appointed by the court to defend indigent clients. If the public defender has any sort of conflict with the client, ie: represented the victim previously, or it is a multiple co defendant case, then the Office of Regional Conflict Counsel is appointed. If that counsel has a conflict, we have a rotation of court appointed counsel that we use.
Mr. Baez is not a court appointed counsel to represent Casey. He was retained to represent her. How he is being paid I have no idea. He may not even be paid, but is doing this "pro bono" out of the kindness of his heart or for the publicity.
Devorahhh
OneLostGrl
08-21-2008, 03:18 PM
<<OneLostGrl
Although we know Baez is in private practice and is not a "public defender", do we know if he is a special public defender?>>
In Florida, at least in the 9th judicial circuit, we have public defenders and also The Office of Regional Conflict Counsel. The Office of Regional Conflict Counsel is a group of specially appointed attorneys, one of each assigned to each judge in Orange county. Public Defenders are appointed by the court to defend indigent clients. If the public defender has any sort of conflict with the client, ie: represented the victim previously, or it is a multiple co defendant case, then the Office of Regional Conflict Counsel is appointed. If that counsel has a conflict, we have a rotation of court appointed counsel that we use.
Mr. Baez is not a court appointed counsel to represent Casey. He was retained to represent her. How he is being paid I have no idea. He may not even be paid, but is doing this "pro bono" out of the kindness of his heart or for the publicity.
Devorahhh
Thank you for that information!
sweetmop
08-21-2008, 03:37 PM
Since you are so willing to open your life & marriage commitments and "rules" so openly and imply that if others do not follow the same rules their marriages would not last, I thought I'd respond with some thoughts of my own.
First of all, it sounds to me like your "friend" is simply a slut. That's the only kind of woman I know of that sets out to sleep with others peoples spouses. If you do not trust this woman, this "friend" around your husband how on earth can you sit here and call her your friend? I'd be a bit more concerned about letting her interact with my children.
If a husband can't keep his penis in his pants because a beautiful woman comes on to him he is a pretty *****ty husband. If a woman has to control who is "allowed" or "dis-allowed" in her husbands life as her means to keep him from cheating on you, your marriage is in BIG trouble... and I mean HUGE.
What about trust and respect and commitment and love? If a marriage has those things (as well as sex, obviously) a man will not look outside of his relationship to have those parts of himself filled. Men who cheat are not always just after sex... many just want someone to talk to, to share ideas with, to be with a person who makes them feel as if they matter. They want to be held and they want to hold. They are looking for what they once had with their wife.
This does not mean that I believe for one second that their aren't men (and women alike) looking for pure recreational sex for sex sake. I realize some just succumb to the biological predisposition to mate. I realize that some men (and women alike) are simply scum and will cheat until the day they die but those people, IMO come with other disfunctions that are easy to spot. Those types of men have patterns and a smart, intuitive woman can pick up on them easily.
No way should a woman have to spend her life "watching" her husband and her "friends", invading her husbands privacy and having hers invaded as well. A couple of he rules you and your husband live by seem to me rules made by people who have once cheated and are determined to not let it happen again. They seem possessive, over the top, controlling and plain ol' unhealthy... kind of like the "rules" we often see in domestic violence cases. If you cannot trust that your husband can have lunch in public with a female co-worker without that somehow leading to an affair, I strongly suggest therapy. If you do not trust your friends around your husband when you are not there perhaps it's time to look into the "why" of that?
I really hope you don't take this post as me dissing you because I'm not. I feel sad for you and I want to hug you. You shared with us to the extent of telling others that their own spouses would cheat if they didn't do things your way. Perhaps your way is the faulty, unhealthy one?
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
Kelsy_C
08-21-2008, 04:02 PM
[QUOTE=icherish;2533410]Couldn't he be disbarred for that kind of behavior?
QUOTE]
I don't *think* (not 100% positive on this) he could for just sleeping with her, but if he were accepting sex as payment or something like that, that would definately be against the rules of professional conduct.
french75
08-21-2008, 04:09 PM
Since you are so willing to open your life & marriage commitments and "rules" so openly and imply that if others do not follow the same rules their marriages would not last, I thought I'd respond with some thoughts of my own.
First of all, it sounds to me like your "friend" is simply a slut. That's the only kind of woman I know of that sets out to sleep with others peoples spouses. If you do not trust this woman, this "friend" around your husband how on earth can you sit here and call her your friend? I'd be a bit more concerned about letting her interact with my children.
If a husband can't keep his penis in his pants because a beautiful woman comes on to him he is a pretty *****ty husband. If a woman has to control who is "allowed" or "dis-allowed" in her husbands life as her means to keep him from cheating on you, your marriage is in BIG trouble... and I mean HUGE.
What about trust and respect and commitment and love? If a marriage has those things (as well as sex, obviously) a man will not look outside of his relationship to have those parts of himself filled. Men who cheat are not always just after sex... many just want someone to talk to, to share ideas with, to be with a person who makes them feel as if they matter. They want to be held and they want to hold. They are looking for what they once had with their wife.
This does not mean that I believe for one second that their aren't men (and women alike) looking for pure recreational sex for sex sake. I realize some just succumb to the biological predisposition to mate. I realize that some men (and women alike) are simply scum and will cheat until the day they die but those people, IMO come with other disfunctions that are easy to spot. Those types of men have patterns and a smart, intuitive woman can pick up on them easily.
No way should a woman have to spend her life "watching" her husband and her "friends", invading her husbands privacy and having hers invaded as well. A couple of he rules you and your husband live by seem to me rules made by people who have once cheated and are determined to not let it happen again. They seem possessive, over the top, controlling and plain ol' unhealthy... kind of like the "rules" we often see in domestic violence cases. If you cannot trust that your husband can have lunch in public with a female co-worker without that somehow leading to an affair, I strongly suggest therapy. If you do not trust your friends around your husband when you are not there perhaps it's time to look into the "why" of that?
I really hope you don't take this post as me dissing you because I'm not. I feel sad for you and I want to hug you. You shared with us to the extent of telling others that their own spouses would cheat if they didn't do things your way. Perhaps your way is the faulty, unhealthy one?
Right on!
Diamond
08-21-2008, 04:19 PM
What would people be saying if Casey's attorney were female instead of a male? I guess we would all be finding out she's a lesbian, right?:rolleyes:
Has it occurred to anyone that it is possible to have a purely platonic relationship with a member of the opposite sex? Has it occurred to anyone that he might feel protective over Casey considering the emotional feeding frenzy that is going on with the media and internet?
Good post.
I mean no offense (to anyone), but some of this speculation is getting out of hand. It's probably easy to do...this case is pretty crazy...but it's not helpful.
KR2tonenow
08-21-2008, 04:51 PM
Casey is the IT defendant girl right now! That's all. I think he see's dollars and publicity and fame.
manatee
08-21-2008, 05:13 PM
Since you are so willing to open your life & marriage commitments and "rules" so openly and imply that if others do not follow the same rules their marriages would not last, I thought I'd respond with some thoughts of my own.......
I didn't say their marriage would not last. I simply said that the odds than an affair will happen to the relationship go up. Higher risk, that's all.Many people stay married after affairs. many marriages that struggle with an affair decide not to tell anyone about it and work it out. My theory is that the best way to find out how to avoid something from happening to you is by understanding how it can occur. Once you do that then you can take steps to prevent it. youonly have to experience an affair once to know you don't ever want to go through it again.
manatee
08-21-2008, 05:19 PM
First of all, it sounds to me like your "friend" is simply a slut. That's the only kind of woman I know of that sets out to sleep with others peoples spouses. If you do not trust this woman, this "friend" around your husband how on earth can you sit here and call her your friend? I'd be a bit more concerned about letting her interact with my children.
i've know this person for years and she is well aware of her problems and she will be the first to admit it. But not sure why you feel her sexual behavior has anything to do with how she interacts with chldren???? She does have some good qualities outside of this addiction. I know her history and I know why she is this way but that it definetely way, way off topic. But no, I would not be happy finding her alone in my house with my husband.
manatee
08-21-2008, 05:30 PM
If a husband can't keep his penis in his pants because a beautiful woman comes on to him he is a pretty *****ty husband. If a woman has to control who is "allowed" or "dis-allowed" in her husbands life as her means to keep him from cheating on you, your marriage is in BIG trouble... and I mean HUGE.
you are supposing that the woman just comes into his life and say came on let's go. that's not how it happens.
Imagine this common scenario: let's suppose your husband is someone that another woman that he works with finds attractive because of money, power, charisma, maybe his the boss, etc...she "innocently" begins to pay him attention. She laughs at his jokes, she listens intently. She asks his opinion about things. they start to "innocently" go to lunch together alone. It begins with neither party thinking that an affair is going to happen. Then this attractive woman starts to talk to him about her problems at home with her husband. How her husband drinks too much or goes out with his friends etc... You husband now begins to give her advise which she listens to and thanks him for and comments on what a great listener he is and how lucky you are to have him. The relationship continues on and they begin to share more and more of each other. Before they even know what's going on, the begin to spend more and more time together, more phone calls, texts messages. Maybe they are still not physically involved but they are deep into an emotional affair....I think you get how this story is going to end. AND IT ALL STARTED WITH LUNCH.
manatee
08-21-2008, 05:48 PM
What about trust and respect and commitment and love? If a marriage has those things (as well as sex, obviously) a man will not look outside of his relationship to have those parts of himself filled. Men who cheat are not always just after sex... many just want someone to talk to, to share ideas with, to be with a person who makes them feel as if they matter. They want to be held and they want to hold. They are looking for what they once had with their wife.
When did I say that trust and respect and commitment are not important?All of those are essential things that you should have in a marriage. My husband and I and many other successful marriages that i know have this. We just draw the line at different places when it comes to the opposite sex. For you, it's ok to talk or have one- one relationships with other men and go out alone with them. For us, it is not. That's just not ok in our relationship. I don't go out with men alone and he does not go out with women alone. that's that.
Jerry Falwell- the reverend, was quoted as saying that if a woman was alone in an elevator he would wait for the next one." That's how extreme he was in wanting to prevent anything inapprorpriate from ever happening. Because life is all about habits. If you know that you are likely to drink if you go into a bar and you don't want to drink, don't go in the bar.
But I do completely agree with you with that statement that men who cheat are not only after sex. I don't think I said that. For the most part, most married men don't go out looking for "it." It happens because they are not paying attention. Just like the scenario I gave you earlier. But affairs are an equal opportunity employer. Women cheat just as much as men and they are also not immune to it. Women just tend to cheat more often do to emotional reasons and more for love rather than lust. I'm not making this up, i read the research. I'm sure you can google it.
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 05:57 PM
Casey is the IT defendant girl right now! That's all. I think he see's dollars and publicity and fame.
Short & sweet. ITA.
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 06:00 PM
Jerry Falwell- the reverend, was quoted as saying that if a woman was alone in an elevator he would wait for the next one." That's how extreme he was in wanting to prevent anything inapprorpriate from ever happening. Because life is all about habits. If you know that you are likely to drink if you go into a bar and you don't want to drink, don't go in the bar.
Maybe Falwell isn't the best guy to quote....
"Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them." Jerry Falwell 1997
:crazy:
manatee
08-21-2008, 06:18 PM
No way should a woman have to spend her life "watching" her husband and her "friends", invading her husbands privacy and having hers invaded as well. A couple of he rules you and your husband live by seem to me rules made by people who have once cheated and are determined to not let it happen again. They seem possessive, over the top, controlling and plain ol' unhealthy... kind of like the "rules" we often see in domestic violence cases. If you cannot trust that your husband can have lunch in public with a female co-worker without that somehow leading to an affair, I strongly suggest therapy. If you do not trust your friends around your husband when you are not there perhaps it's time to look into the "why" of that?
I think I explained already why I believe is inappropriate for opposite sex coworkers to go out to lunch alone . Aside from everything I said earlier, it can also be misconstrued by others and give the wrong impression as well. Another scenario could be that, I may not be interested in my married co-worker and I may be "safe" to go out to lunch with him but i just open the door for him to become interested in me and put myself in an uncomfortable situation. So why go to lunch with him in the first place?
Don't feel sorry for me I am very happily married and my husband is my best friend. I don't like to go out or do things without him and he does not like to go out or do things without me. We have married couple friends and not many single friends. When we are apart we miss each other. So it's not work. We communicate all through the day and text each other frequently. We still feel after 21 years of marriage and 26 years together feel that we are dating each other.
We have four girls so we make it apoint to go out every weekend alone. When I have to travel or he has to travel for work we travel together. This has become our habit. We don't see it as controlling, unhealthy, or possessive. We simply see it as our marriage!
For us our marriage is the most important relationship. It comes first before any other relationship. Why would I risk that by given time and energy to other relatioships outside of our marriage?
But again. This is not stuff I pulled out of nowhere. There is plenty of research on marriages, affairs and divorce. Read it and you may see where I'm coming from.
Here is a link to a informative website. Dr. Peggy simplifies a lot of the research on the subject of infidelity. She goes on to say that Monogamy is a Myth:
http://www.dearpeggy.com/affairs.html#1
babycat
08-21-2008, 06:24 PM
two points. Maybe he has not had an offer? or (not saying it's happening) but many affairs happen during work hours or lunch breaks.
sorry,
That is super insulting. You're insinuating that my fiancee would cheat on me if offered. That crosses a line.
I'm an exciting, creative, successful, artist. I'm fairly good looking. I make every day exciting. I'm quirky, but fun. I know this about myself. I know that I am a fun partner to be with. I know there is no way he would trade that for anything. There's not one day he wouldn't want to wake up to a painting sitting in the bathtub, or oil paint smeared on our hairdryer, or flowers hanging from our ceiling. We are made for each other.
Conversely, he is very good looking, successful, humble, and has great morals. He's even turned in $520.00 in cash in an unmarked envelope to the police department.
I know what kind of man he is, which is why I'm in love with him.
I'm not even a tiny bit worried. I have great self esteem, and am very secure.
However, I think your post was rude. Downright insulting.
babycat
08-21-2008, 06:27 PM
I'm not stereotyping and just realistic. I am very happy in my marriage and I gave you some of my secrets. take it or leave it.
all I'm going to say is "good luck to you." But I know that if I had to bet, I would bet that eventually you will find out I was right. Sorry to say. but I do hope for your sake, that an affair does not happen to you. Seriously. I really do hope so. But I know that the odds are against you. Do some research on the topic and you will see what I mean.
fidelity takes work.
I'm sorry, I don't need the luck. I am well aware that relationships take work. I don't need to research anyone else's failed marriage to see that. Those people are not me. It's worked for 7 years so far, and we're as happy as the day we met.
But thanks for your concern about my fiancee's possible future affairs:rolleyes:
manatee
08-21-2008, 06:29 PM
Maybe Falwell isn't the best guy to quote....
"Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them." Jerry Falwell 1997
:crazy:
that's funny
babycat
08-21-2008, 06:30 PM
What would people be saying if Casey's attorney were female instead of a male? I guess we would all be finding out she's a lesbian, right?:rolleyes:
Has it occurred to anyone that it is possible to have a purely platonic relationship with a member of the opposite sex? Has it occurred to anyone that he might feel protective over Casey considering the emotional feeding frenzy that is going on with the media and internet?
completely agree.
babycat
08-21-2008, 06:39 PM
I didn't say their marriage would not last. I simply said that the odds than an affair will happen to the relationship go up. Higher risk, that's all.Many people stay married after affairs. many marriages that struggle with an affair decide not to tell anyone about it and work it out. My theory is that the best way to find out how to avoid something from happening to you is by understanding how it can occur. Once you do that then you can take steps to prevent it. youonly have to experience an affair once to know you don't ever want to go through it again.
I have been cheated on by an ex, and we we were always checking up on each other, and imposing limits. It didn't help, obviously. It just made us more suspicious of each other. And guess what? I was right. Rules only work if BOTH parties hold up their end.
Which supports my theory that you need two good PEOPLE in a marriage, and not necessarily rules. Because only an honorable person would totally uphold those rules. And an honorable person would also probably not cheat.
This thread has gotten off topic and out of hand, and I don't want to contribute to it anymore.
I apologize to the other posters on this thread for getting so off topic. I recognize my part in it, and I feel bad about that, but I think it struck a nerve with me. So I'm going to stop now.
Manatee, I still feel glad that we can both voice our opinions, whatever they may be. We're lucky to be able to do that.
Cheers:)
st. crispian
08-21-2008, 06:53 PM
I shared the same hmmmmmmm....... moment that Manatee expressed on a few different occasions when viewing Casey and Baez together. I DO think Casey is trying to play him, but I don't think he's dumb enough to fall for it. He may just play along with her. This is all my reaction coming from inside my own head when I've seen them together. Jose is attractive and suave (IMO). Casey has come to view him as her knight in shining armor (IMO).
Remember Amy Fisher and her attorney? Gawd, it was embarrassing!! I wonder if Casey is using the Amy Fisher model in dealing with Baez. I see Casey and Amy Fisher as very much alike. All just MOO.
Bobby62
08-21-2008, 06:58 PM
Casey is the IT defendant girl right now! That's all. I think he see's dollars and publicity and fame.
ITA. I think he looks at her and sees a beach house and a big step to a career that ends with early retirement.
I think calling her "my girl" was by design, to somewhat humanize her in front of the 100 million people in this country that will see that clip.
I think there is no way that he would ever dip his quill in ink that is that tainted.
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